Hotel plan upsets neighbours

http://media.nzherald.co.nz/webcontent/image/jpg/201221/SCCZEN_220512SPLQUEST_460x230.jpg

A five-level Auckland Quest hotel, planned for 80 Beaumont St near the Northern Motorway and Victoria Park, has raised the ire of neighbours. Nigel McKenna of Melview Developments had previously planned an office building on the 430sq m site which he later sold vacant. Auckland Council notified the public of the application for the five-level building with 34 hotel rooms, a 54sq m cafe, two onsite car parks and a further 10 carparks leased from a nearby site. Beaumont Trading Co, owned by Safari Management, is the applicant and people have until early next month to say what they think.

Tony Brown, who lives in the Beaumont Quarter, said the empty site beside the Victory Church was extremely small. The new building would be much taller than the surroundings buildings "and uglier", Brown said. "Everything about it is just wrong." Beaumont Quarter is three levels with a basement level, he said. "While the immediate residents will clearly make a submission to try to reduce the effects on the surrounding residential developments, there is a bigger picture at issue in relation to an unsuitable development in the wrong place that the planning process seems incapable of addressing."

Safari Group (NZ) has advertised for investors to buy Quest apartments, then lease them back. Robert Neil of Safari said deposits had been paid on 11 rooms for $180,000 to $236,000. Construction would start in October and be finished next year. The council said the building needed resource consent in the business mixed use zone because of a shortage of parking and loading space. Overall, the proposal requires resource consent for a discretionary activity.

Hope this gets the green light....

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/property/news/article.cfm?c_id=8&objectid=10831498

Hope this gets the green light....

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/property/news/article.cfm?c_id=8&objectid=10831498

Yes looks good, a very peciuliar argument that safety of locals could be compromised by this boutique hotel, I could'nt quite believe what I was reading!

Isn't safety an issue absoultely everywhere?

Yes looks good, a very peciuliar argument that safety of locals could be compromised by this boutique hotel, I could'nt quite believe what I was reading!

Isn't safety an issue absoultely everywhere?

I can understand to an extent, but i think its more about the fact that they dont want it fullstop... id have thought a managed property that is operational 24hrs affords more security by virtue of the nature of the business itself...

^^

One of the huge problems is a traffic issue - with people arriving at all hours, and potentially blocking one of only two entrances. Initially the building was going to be an office - and a lot of people bought at the Quarter under that impression. A 8-5 office poses no issues compared to a 24 hotel.

I just think its nimbyism and shite journalism. They say Historic Places have objections and then quote a resident as if she has some expertise instead of "I'm a whinging baitch"

They talk about scale. It's 3 stories FFS.It's not going to tower over anything. There's an office park at the top of the cliff behind the residential properties that already give the area some height.

Nothing short of a duplicate reproduction will look "right" alongside the Gas co bldg but doesn't mean iot won't work. The contrast in styles can be invigorating.

As for the other concerns - it's 34 rooms. Muppets!

I am quite embarrassed to be a resident of Beaumont Quarter after reading that article :(

Officials check out tourist hotel site

Planning commissioners yesterday visited a central Auckland site where a developer wants to build a hotel over an access way. Panel chairman David Kirkpatrick said the panel wanted to see the site after hearing evidence about the project's bid for resource consent, including the concerns of the Beaumont Quarter Residents' Society. Members live in 258 apartment units next to the vacant site proposed for a Quest tourist hotel, by the heritage Auckland Gas building and across the road from Victoria Park's skateboard facility. Mr Kirkpatrick said he and commissioners Faye Storer and David Mead had driven along Fisher Point Drive to the apartment enclave. The developer plans to move the drive northwards by 5m and build four floors of hotel above. The 6m wide drive bisects the 400sq m site and the developer said building over it would make the most use of the site and align the road with the certificate of title from the original subdivision. Lawyer for the residents' society, Jeremy Brabant, said the effect of construction activity on Fisher Point Drive and the access it gave to the basement parking of one apartment block was of concern.

This needed to be appropriately addressed through conditions of consent, if resource consent was granted. But the society cannot get developer Beaumont Trading to agree to provide alternative parking nearby when the right of way is blocked by construction. The developer is not ruling out an alternative. Planning consultant Gary Deeney said during construction there would be times during a 10- to 12-week period when access to one apartment block's carparking was not available. However, finding alternative parking for residents was a matter for negotiation rather than a condition of the resource consent. Mr Brabant said the condition was reasonable and related directly to the impact of the proposed works. Residents wanted sufficient notice of closure of Fisher Point Drive access and certainty that they could go about their business with as little disruption as possible. The hearing was adjourned because the commissioners wanted to get updated information during the week.

^^

One of the huge problems is a traffic issue - with people arriving at all hours, and potentially blocking one of only two entrances. Initially the building was going to be an office - and a lot of people bought at the Quarter under that impression. A 8-5 office poses no issues compared to a 24 hotel.

I would beg to disagree.. the traffic movements of a property of this size would be minimal after hours.. and you would find a considerable portion of guests arrive not by private car.. the District Plan doesnt require car parking for Hotels in the CBD, there is good reason for that as it isnt typically required.

I do have some sympathy with the residents (which I appreciate you are one) however it really is in keeping with the area both as a use, and frankly as a design..

A positive aspect of it is the fact that I will now have a cafe on my doorstep, Mr KF will no longer have to tolerate my bad coffee and he can indulge on flat whites :colgate:

A positive aspect of it is the fact that I will now have a cafe on my doorstep, Mr KF will no longer have to tolerate my bad coffee and he can indulge on flat whites :colgate:

:) need to get a nespresso... impossible to stuff up

:) need to get a nespresso... impossible to stuff up

GR8 idea, Christmas is coming ;) Thanks for the tip.

If you have any love for coffee whatsoever, please do not get a nespresso!
:ohno:

Hi all, it's good to hear some support for this exciting project. A lot of hoops had to be jumped through but resource consent was granted yesterday.

We are excited about bringing this development to Beaumont quarter

Hi all, it's good to hear some support for this exciting project. A lot of hoops had to be jumped through but resource consent was granted yesterday.

We are excited about bringing this development to Beaumont quarter

Just as long as it doesn't interfere with our parking and roads then I am a happy chappy ;) ... do you have any unseen renders that you can share with us ?

Beaumont Quarter hotel gets consent (http://www.bdcentral.co.nz/afa.asp?idWebPage=8338&idBobDeyProperty_Articles=18489&SID=413671334)

Commissioners have granted consent for a 5-storey hotel to be built at the entrance to the Beaumont Quarter, across Beaumont St from Victoria Park. The proposal by Beaumont Trading Co Ltd (Robert Neil) is for a 34-unit unlicensed Quest hotel with a 54m² ground-floor café and a total gross floor area of 1537m² on its 5 floors. Rooms would be 30-50m² in a mix of studios & one-bedroom units, and the building would act as a portal to the internal residential quarter, being constructed over the entrance to Fisher Point Drive. The application went to a hearing before commissioners David Kirkpatrick (chairman), David Mead & local board member Faye Storer on 3-4 September and the decision, released last week, was dated 5 October. The hearing panel noted that the site was a residual one left over after residential development in the Beaumont Quarter was completed in 2005. The whole development is in the mixed-use zone and a 4-storey office building had earlier been planned for this streetfront site. The panel said development of a tourist complex was generally appropriate in the mixed used zone: “In particular, we find no sound resource management reason why a tourist complex would be incompatible with the neighbouring residential development in the Beaumont Quarter, or other activities in the vicinity of the site.” The lift tower will go 150mm over the zone’s 15m height limit, but the panel said this was a minimal breach. The basic floor:area ratio is 2:1, but the building will contain 1537m² on the 423m² site, a ratio of 3.56:1. The commissioners saw no problem with that ... MORE (http://www.bdcentral.co.nz/afa.asp?idWebPage=8338&idBobDeyProperty_Articles=18489&SID=413671334)

This design differs from the one posted above - which one is being built ?

http://www.bdcentral.co.nz/webfiles/BobDeyProperty/webpages/images/8645/688/bq_hotel1_lge.jpg

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Thanks Dros, I see that they have started to clear the site already and chopped up my beloved holly trees :( I wanted those for my patio !!!!!!!!! The concrete side wall is awful and should have incorporated windows (or a green wall) - bad design and this should have been brought up by the city council prior to approval. As for the developer - thanks for not thinking of the residents in the area :( Let's hope that some graffiti artist from the skatepark helps fix that and covers it with some colour ;)

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^^ should see if Askew can sort out that wall for you ;)

^^ should see if Askew can sort out that wall for you ;)

Fantastic idea .... he can use the face of the developer and paint a caricature then the kids can practice their paint ball skills ;)

Definitely sounds like a good idea after seeing his other works! Otherwise the nearby residents will have to memorise the council's "graffiti dob in" phone number with a blank canvas like that...

Until I saw that blank wall render I thought this looked quite nice..but after seeing that i'm disapointed...reminds me of the Jury's Inn in Milton Keynes, UK

http://img.go4travel.net/fs/738551/738551-sml.jpg

There is no excuse for that blank wall - it is just cutting costs and we should demand a mural or greening of the wall. The least the developer can do is show some grace and style.

There is no excuse for that blank wall - it is just cutting costs and we should demand a mural or greening of the wall. The least the developer can do is show some grace and style.

if no one does anything about blank walls we will sort out some paint guns until change occurs ;)

if no one does anything about blank walls we will sort out some paint guns until change occurs ;)

That's the spirit ;) Received an email from our property manager and construction will start within days.

It’s not actually a blank wall. Its painted to match the clay tiles and exposed aggregate. The wall is only 8 meters so its small in the scheme of things.

Its going to be a fantastic looking building. We have been working extremly close with the urban design panel to get the right result.

It’s not actually a blank wall. Its painted to match the clay tiles and exposed aggregate. The wall is only 8 meters so its small in the scheme of things.

Its going to be a fantastic looking building. We have been working extremly close with the urban design panel to get the right result.

I am sure that lots has been done to appease all involved but it remains a blank concrete wall which is 8 metres wide but much more than 15 metres in height. A lot can be done to make it more contemporary and less dull ...... here are some examples and they should be taken into consideration (it is also more in keeping with an award winning project/quarter):

http://completecollective.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/wall-and-deco-exterior-wallpaper02.jpg

http://completecollective.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/wall-and-deco-exterior-wallpaper05.jpg

http://www.insolnz.co.nz/uploads/insol/gallery/thumbnail_550x412/city_inn_023.jpg

http://www.thecoolhunter.net/images/wall2(2).jpg

How are any of those options in keeping with the rest of the facade or development at BQ, apart from the green wall. And have you completed a costing exercise on a green wall?

There is exposed aggregate, I am sure you know what that looks like. I reiterate again its not a blank wall...

It’s not actually a blank wall. Its painted to match the clay tiles and exposed aggregate. The wall is only 8 meters so its small in the scheme of things.

Its going to be a fantastic looking building. We have been working extremely close with the urban design panel to get the right result.

If that's the case, then it doesn't come through in the images posted above..it really just looks like a big grey concrete wall.

It looks like Fisher Point Drive will now pass through the building? That's a novel idea...was it always part of the BQ scheme?

How are any of those options in keeping with the rest of the facade or development at BQ, apart from the green wall. And have you completed a costing exercise on a green wall?

There is exposed aggregate, I am sure you know what that looks like. I reiterate again its not a blank wall...

I know that green walls are expensive but it doesn't mean that you have to cover the entire wall - you can install cables/wires on that blank wall and plant creepers - jasmin (which you will find growing everywhere in Beaumont Quarter) which will guide the growth of the plants. You can install planters with plants that will eventually grow downwards and it can be spread across the surface - landscapers will know how to do it cheaply and efficiently. A good example is the new Thomas Building at Auckland Uni:

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You can also use laser cut panels which reflect the past of Beaumont Quarter - "heritage panels" of enlarged photographs of The Gas Works that used to occupy the site - it is all possible with a little imagination and passion (some units in Beaumont Quarter have steel embossed plates on the facade which will tie in quite nicely with this idea):

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7065/6991562729_f5bc83cb45_z.jpg

http://www.aucklandcity.govt.nz/dbtw-wpd/HeritageImages/images/photos/c21f/7-A11393.jpg

Yes I am very familiar with these exposed aggregate walls, they use them for the motorways and that is where they should stay - not on some prominent wall which will be the gateway to Beaumont Quarter for as long as it stands. The examples I gave were for inspiration and not to copy. One could also use a street artist to paint something on the walls in keeping with the history and future of the site.

One question - why are there no windows on that side wall ?

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And so it begins .... they had better protect that tree and make sure that it stays healthy.

And so it begins .... they had better protect that tree and make sure that it stays healthy.

naaaw its got its own little fence :P

Work has stopped and now they can go back to the drawing board and fix that blank wall ....

Late on Tuesday afternoon, the Council Consent monitoring team advised the Constructors, Safari Group, that they were in breach of a number of consent conditions and that work should stop. Construction activities were not supposed to resume until the relevant consent conditions have been met.

^^ Ignore - construction has commenced ...

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So the beautiful brick wall will be hidden by this hotel development? Shame. Could have utilised it.

So the beautiful brick wall will be hidden by this hotel development? Shame. Could have utilised it.

damn shame aint it mate

Crane is going up ....

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Coming together

The "fabulous" grey wall that Auckland council permitted - questions have to be asked :ohno:

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The "fabulous" grey wall that Auckland council permitted - questions have to be asked :ohno:

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Is it at the boundary?

Is it at the boundary?

Yes, the concrete wall is on the boundary and very prominent. The building next door also has a concrete wall but it is down the side of the road, hardly visible from the street and they had to give it the green treatment. I still can't understand why this wall has been allowed to remain as it is.

Personally I think that it looks ok.. Sure it isnt the best, but Ive seen worse, and there is some (little) interest in the textured effect of the concrete panels..

From the pics and from my memory the end wall of the existing apartments thats being covered up was pretty much a blank wall wasnt it?

Personally I think that it looks ok.. Sure it isnt the best, but Ive seen worse, and there is some (little) interest in the textured effect of the concrete panels..

From the pics and from my memory the end wall of the existing apartments thats being covered up was pretty much a blank wall wasnt it?

It's disgusting and looks like some retaining wall on a motorway. The existing wall was blank because there was always going to be something built there, it was part of the masterplan.

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Cant say i mind the wall at all, much worse examples around town id have thought..

It doesn't matter if their are other examples of poor urban design around the city, that's like saying it doesn't matter is someone commits a crime because other people have done much worse. It would have been pretty simple to install some windows here, and if they were worried about sound then spend the money on some good quality triple-glazed windows.

It doesn't matter if their are other examples of poor urban design around the city, that's like saying it doesn't matter is someone commits a crime because other people have done much worse. It would have been pretty simple to install some windows here, and if they were worried about sound then spend the money on some good quality triple-glazed windows.

This has been through the process and has been accepted.. I dont think its too bad.. there has been some treatment of the surface... which is significantly better than other perhaps even more prominent elevations around the City... What is offensive to you is tolerable to the next and perhaps even appreciated by others...

I would think (but i dont know) that the efficiency of the floorplate would be restricted by having windows on that elevation in the guest rooms where either the bedhead or TV would go. They would have had to have gone through the reasons why to the UDP to get it over the line...

The Beaumont Quarter Body Corporate will have to take it into their own hands and do something about that wall ..... stay tuned ;)

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Building has topped out ...

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That concrete wall is disgusting !!!!!!!! Looking at it now in context, they could have faced it with brick to compliment the Gas Works building.

iSite Media will have their eyes on this wall for sure. Before you know it it will be sold for some billboard space. Hurray.

iSite Media will have their eyes on this wall for sure. Before you know it it will be sold for some billboard space. Hurray.

I would be quite happy if they do, it will be better than "the wailing wall of Beaumont Quarter" :lol:

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They should just plant some ivy or climbing fig, once the Pohutakawa grows up it will be hidden.

What an abominable box, they should have been required to match the existing eyelines from the existing buildings i.e the step backed terraces that overlook the church land/carpark. There should also be a stepback against the brick warehouse,

Also why were they allowed to chop down one of the trees, I am assuming that it was on council land, given that its on the same berm as the one allowed to stay,

Auckland council bang on and on about good urban design, and then consent this, well they get what they deserve...

That's a good point, that was a pretty big mature tree on council land - why was it chopped?

Are you all the same people that complain at the cost of housing being to high? Do any of you complete your own developments and understand what cost is associated with the items that you just think can be completed with ease. Maybe you should also wait until certain items are finished before passing judgement.... How do you know that is the final look of the wall? and have a look at the "urban Design" of the buildings next door...

There must be other more important items to worry/complain about then a unfinished wall facing the motorway.

Are you all the same people that complain at the cost of housing being to high?

No, I already own a unit at BQ. A Quest is hardly accommodation for people to live in on a permanent basis. It is a very expensive rental scheme.

Do any of you complete your own developments and understand what cost is associated with the items that you just think can be completed with ease.

It is not my chosen profession and it never will be. I am one of those who have helped a developer make a profit by buying into his/her scheme i.e. Beaumont Quarter - a development that I like and believe in. As a developer you are responsible for providing a high quality product and keeping your clients happy. If you can't afford it or if you don't have the passion to deliver a high quality product then you are just in it for the money and I have no respect for you.

How do you know that is the final look of the wall? and have a look at the "urban Design" of the buildings next door...

You said so ...



There is exposed aggregate, I am sure you know what that looks like. I reiterate again its not a blank wall...

And the render in the info pack shows it as is ...

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm228/rytc1980/238621463_full.jpg

That's how we know.

^^

That looks worse than what we thought.......

No, I already own a unit at BQ. A Quest is hardly accommodation for people to live in on a permanent basis. It is a very expensive rental scheme.


I was making a comment that this is one of the reasons why houses are unaffordable because everyone wants to add in there two cents and add cost. This is not a residential product and provides a good return. Its travellers accommodation and if you ask around corporate companies im sure you will find they believe it to be a cost effective and great way for them to post their employees around the country. We are not the Tenant either that is Quest.

It is not my chosen profession and it never will be. I am one of those who have helped a developer make a profit by buying into his/her scheme i.e. Beaumont Quarter - a development that I like and believe in. As a developer you are responsible for providing a high quality product and keeping your clients happy. If you can't afford it or if you don't have the passion to deliver a high quality product then you are just in it for the money and I have no respect for you.

Key word is profession here; it would be safe to say the majority of people go to work to make a living. We are delivering a high quality product and have passion to do so, but we also need to make money doing it. If projects are not viable financially then why would they be completed? If you keep adding to many hoops to jump through and costs along then developments won’t keep happening. Which im sure you appreciate are extremly important to the economy

Also who are our clients?

You said so ...



And the render in the info pack shows it as is ...

http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm228/rytc1980/238621463_full.jpg

That's how we know.

Read my post from the middle of November and you will see that i talk about the treatment. Things had moved on slightly from the renders as i had mentioned in Novmeber.

NZ is a great country to live in as the only worry we have is the treatment of a facade that faces a motor way next to a development that has no clour or texture on there facade.

Read my post from the middle of November and you will see that i talk about the treatment. Things had moved on slightly from the renders as i had mentioned in Novmeber.

NZ is a great country to live in as the only worry we have is the treatment of a facade that faces a motor way next to a development that has no clour or texture on there facade.

Well why don'y you show us what is planned or were changes only made after there was an outcry ? The old NZ (she'll be right) is bye-bye mate, the new NZ is fussy as and we expect better ...

NZ is a great country to live in as the only worry we have is the treatment of a facade that faces a motor way next to a development that has no clour or texture on there facade.

That;s why we love it so much - almost beats the time they used marmite to coax a cat out of the tree........ :cheers: I'll see if 60 minutes can't come do a thing on this wall ;)

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