#Approved: 403 Pitt Street -40st/130m/res (CBD south)

[CULWULLA]

because posting is down the original thread has been deleted. :bash:
anyway new thread.
The 40storey /130m tower planned atop CB hotel and against blank wall of Aspect has been officially lodged.
model-

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/culwulla/fromnorthnew.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/culwulla/fromabovenew.jpg

how dense is this view? all the greay bldgs will commence in 2005. lots of cranes coming south.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/culwulla/fromsouthnew.jpg

[Vitriol]

It looks alright, but it's no extravaganza (architecturally or creatively).

When does construction start?

[Fabian]

Nice to see these folks back again and they've come back with something more stylish. :) The setbacks are very neat.

And the best thing about this tower is that the blank wall along Aspects eastern side will go. :D

[cammo2004]

It looks alright, but it's no extravaganza (architecturally or creatively).

When does construction start?

Maybe true, but it does do a good job of blending in and adding some density (which is needed in the south side). Plus it blots out a blank wall.

[CULWULLA]

its only early days. if approval happens construction will start next year.

[Tony P]

I think it looks good, for the most part. It's not some botchy facadism job, as the original buildings (at least on the Pitt Street side) are completely intact. It won't even look like the old buildings are meant to be part of the new development. It looks like two slender towers next to each other rather than one very wide building, that's a good things as it appears taller that way.

Unfortunately, Clover will say it's 37 storeys too tall, methinks.

[CULWULLA]

^lol.
well its staying within height guidlines. as seen in stepped roof to allow sun plane into belmore park. its now set back enough from pitt st. the planner indicates its shoud be ok.

[finn]

I actually really really like it! Will create a very cool set-back street-wall down Pitt St, in line with East! :)

[MILIUX]

I actually really really like it! Will create a very cool set-back street-wall down Pitt St, in line with East! :)

I like it too!

[zulu69]

yeah i like this one. Man that place is going to be dense to the shizzy...

[Randwicked]

Very nice. I forget the last thread, are they keeping the CB at the base?

[Trances]

intresting enough. Will bring life to the area.

[Muse]

I thought the developers gave up on this one. :dunno:

If this does go ahead along with the starting-any-day-soon Aspect, Goulburn St is doing a better job of being Bathurst St than Bathurst St is doing!!

One thing I don't understand is why the planner thinks it should be O.K., yet clearly it has much more bulk atop of it than the original design for Aspect had (the design change that held it up too) re the sun plane yadda yadda....I wouldn't be surprised if we see serious circumcision here.

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[CULWULLA]

^ been a full year since last post! lol
this goes up for approval next week. doh!

[ParraMan]

Wow, don't know how I missed this one, thought it had been dropped too? Anyway, the model looks great and indeed looks like two tall towers. The treatment at the top looks good too.

I assume this is to be residential, hope it doesn't take long before the developers think the market has picked up!

Cheers, this thread was doing an Aspect....

[papervagina]

Yo, I don't see it in the council's agenda for next week. What gives?

[CULWULLA]

^ its up for briefings this week and CSPC next week.

[Trances]

so it is still on the agender

[CULWULLA]

^ yes, it goes for approval next week. developers want to build eventually

[papervagina]

Yo, here's a render from the CSPC report. I don't think I like it; I'm just so sick of white and it reminds me a little of Suntower.

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k160/papervagina/cb1.jpg

[CULWULLA]

compeltely hides/engulfs poor old Aspect.
looks like it will be approved also. yeeks

[Avatar]

I am sick of white too - sydney needs more glass and metallic finishes there is too much brown, grey and white. Some silver, gold, aqua or blue would be a nice change.

[finn]

Ah well, at least that one has a strip of glassiness up the corner. I actually like it, and Im pleased that something will be covering the big flat Aspect east-facing wall. The shops along that stretch could do with a streetfront makeover.

[Brizer]

What a pity some bright spark hasn't moved to combine the 81 Goulburn and Aspect sites, for a building REALLY worth getting excited about.

[CULWULLA]

yeah i thought of that but theres a 3m wide laneway that runs between each tower. dont think council would like it if it was built over.Aspect has now been planned for 4 years. The CB hotel tower has only been mooted for a bout a year.I didnt think they would get away with partly demolishing the heritage bldg, but they got approval.
who knows if it will actually see light of day? would be such a dense block though.

[Muse]

Yo, here's a render from the CSPC report. I don't think I like it; I'm just so sick of white and it reminds me a little of Suntower.

http://users.on.net/~ihatescarves/ss/cb1.jpgWow, thanks vag.

I don't mind it, esp. the sharp glass corner and top. This could well make up for East's loss.

[Fabian]

It doesnt look too bad, especially in comparison to the trashy meriton towers across the road. At least it's more stylish.

[MrTall]

Now if they could also demolish those fugly facades around the base, that would be great. Heritage my ass.

[Trances]

What each is great style dont remove useless there can be decent lobby

[gazmo]

Do you proof read your posts Trances? That the freak are you trying to say??

God! I thought Cul was bad!

What each is great style dont remove useless there can be decent lobby

[CULWULLA]

lol. im actually a good speller but cant type for shit. i tend to type words out with letters mixed around because im typing so fast i havnt time or couldnt be bothered to proof read. i guess as long as you can decifer most of it, you can tell what post implies.lul
does anyone proof read posts? but yes Trances can get hard to read. also perth4life.

[Brizer]

waddyasay? fucKdifferno wadsgoinon wiff someryers.
Cul I can usually translate, other spelling gaffs enrage (its/it's; their/there/they're, etc.) but Trances has me totally ...er... enTranced! It's like trying to do a cryptic crossword - and I haven't the wit nor the patience for them.
wodCanyerDo Iarksya!?

[gazmo]

My guess is:

"What each has is great style [the existing ground level buildings], don't remove them unless there is the potential of a decent lobby in their place"

[gazmo]

I try to proof a majority of my posts, and edit any posts I find mistakes in.

You may be interested to know that the latest version of the Google toolbar can spell check webmail, and I'm guessing posts like this too.

lol. im actually a good speller but cant type for shit. i tend to type words out with letters mixed around because im typing so fast i havnt time or couldnt be bothered to proof read. i guess as long as you can decifer most of it, you can tell what post implies.lul
does anyone proof read posts? but yes Trances can get hard to read. also perth4life.

[MILIUX]

lol. im actually a good speller but cant type for shit. i tend to type words out with letters mixed around because im typing so fast i havnt time or couldnt be bothered to proof read. i guess as long as you can decifer most of it, you can tell what post implies.lul
does anyone proof read posts? but yes Trances can get hard to read. also perth4life.

Cul, after 3 years of reading your post, i think it just comes natural and understand what you mean. :D

[MILIUX]

I am sick of white too - sydney needs more glass and metallic finishes there is too much brown, grey and white. Some silver, gold, aqua or blue would be a nice change.


Colour of facades:
metallic - yup, acceptable.
Grey - pretty crap
Green - just awful. It's like green algae splattered onto the facade.
Silver - It really depends
Gold - no. Too tacky and doesn't suite Sydney's skyline well because of the green park surroundings
Aqua - I can deal with it
Blue - Yup, but not too much. I think the blue facades along Eastern Darling Harbour is too much of a good thing.

I recken white is a "Sydney thing" because of the shiny Opera House. But the bad thing about it, over many years of rain, air pollution and dust storm, it may turn into light grey like MLC Centre.

[SinCity]

^ yes, it goes for approval next week. developers want to build eventually

"eventually" is the scary part. I just hope it has the edge over a lot of the monotonous meritonia that dominates this section of town. :ohno:

[CULWULLA]

i wonder if it recieved approval? i reckon it might of.find out monday

[CULWULLA]

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/314208/2/Approved_Stamp.jpg

[MILIUX]

Two approved in 1 days?

Stunned!

[SinCity]

Its quite a broad structure on top of being tall. It will improve the location considerably.

[papervagina]

Yo, the developers have lodged a DA (http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/Development/DAsOnExhibition/details.asp?tpk=797160) to modify their stage 1 consent; they want to delete a condition that reduced the width of the envelope from 51m to 40m. Apparently the Development Control Plan limits residential buildings over 45m in height to a width of 40m parallel to the street...

[Trances]

They want to retain the width at 51 meters ?

[CULWULLA]

sorry guys, just bumping. dont want it to fall off end.

[papervagina]

The amendments I mentioned above are set to be approved by the CSPC tomorrow night (see http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/Council/MeetingsAndCommittees/2006/CSPC/191006.asp) with a few minor modifcations to the envelope. Hopefully the design comp will result in a more interesting design.

[CULWULLA]

yeah, this one has been a probelm for a while now.its too wide and engulfs poor old Aspect.as mentioned the length will be shortened by 11m so it lines up with Aspects southern face.

[Muse]

This was an ad in The Fin Rev last Thursday (19/10/06) c/-

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k160/papervagina/cb1.jpg

* Existing Development Approval for 40-storey tower with 236 residential apartments, 7-level basement car parking, retail shops and budget hotel

* Potential for mixed-use concept including serviced apartment hotel and/or office components (STCA)

* Existing income from 17 retail shops and 213 room / 457 bed budget hotel

* Located in World Square growth precinct

[BrizzyChris]

A lot of white concrete, but I do kind of like the boxy design, and the glass "beacon" LMR on top.

[MILIUX]

Yeah, i really like the glass feature and how it combines well with concrete.

[Fabian]

I saw the same ad in last Saturdays Herald (14/10).

[powlie]

It's a fairly old area of town... It will be lovely to see some new development around there! I'm all for this. ^_^

[CULWULLA]

The section 96 was approved on thursday night thus meaning the southern end of bldg has to be reduced by 10m to be in line with Aspects southern wall.so the bldgs length will come down from 51m to 40m, Thus the stage 2 DA will mean a new design which must comply with new envelope. so above render is history.

[Muse]

That's interesting. If they are still advertising in the press with that render, one would think that it would be a modification that only lops off the very southern end apartments. 10m is a fair whack.

Other than that, the northern edifice stays the same, right?

In all, we'll end up with a sleeker building which will give the impression of being taller...if and when it goes ahead.

Looking down on the original model posted by CULWULLA, it would be level with Aspect's southern facade:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v158/culwulla/fromabovenew.jpg

[A r c h i]

If the design doesn't change (other than losing 10m of girth) it'd look something like this:

http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/3056/cb1lt8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[CULWULLA]

^ very good. but architects hate the idea of losing its two tower shape. note how its only joined by service well in centre? if you take 11m off the southern tower it will lopeside whole design. so its back to drawing board.shame .i also like it but i dont like how it wraps around poor old Aspect which is a superior design which is basically hidden.

[Muse]

Still bizarro how they are pimping the DA in the media with the current render.

[CULWULLA]

bump

[CULWULLA]

twas chatting today to architect about this one and he said they are in process of redsigning it lower and fitting into cityscape better. It will now come down to halfway between Aspect (120m roof) and ATO (60m). say 90m?
i think its best thing ive heard all day.i never liked it how it hide Aspect. this will leave the best bit of Aspect open to east and its new bulk will create a nice long glass wall to Pitt street.

[Tony P]

Fuck. I. am. Angry.

[papervagina]

Are there going to be windows on the eastern side of Aspect? So far it looks like it'll be the ugliest blank wall in Sydney, so anything shorter than Aspect on this site won't cover it up. Still, I hate the current design (although I doubt the new design will be any better).

[finn]

I like the old design - new design sounds crap. I don't see why this tower has to be lowered to allow everyone to appreciate Aspect's crappy unarticulated eastern wall - the tower should be raised to better hide it!

[Trances]

lower grrr :(
I know there are more importand things that hight but still

[Muse]

Central freebie rag had this mentioned on its DA update page recently - I think from memory as a hotel or serviced apartments (I'll try to find the copy & report back). In the meantime Vag, do your DA thang.

[Fabian]

The hotel option would be good, and there is a shortage of hotel rooms in Sydney at the moment. Hope it's at least a 4 star one.

[papervagina]

Nothing on the council site yet...

[CULWULLA]

havent heard much about this one. will try to find anything tommorrow.

[Muse]

Thanks vag, and I guess CUL if you had found out anything in the meantime, you would have reported back here.

The serviced apts/hotel DA option reported in Central Magazine may have been for the 720 George St site, as I have called Council since my last post and the DA for this particular site is just for the base of low-rise older buildings. Having said that, there may still be some kind of "movement @ the station" for 403 Pitt tower's DA.

The eastern edifice of Aspect Tower's massive blankness *really* needs the tower for 403 Pitt to "cower" the before-mentioned.

[CULWULLA]

yeah i looked into it. it was DA for alternate use of existing bldgs facing goulburn st. nothing to do with approved DA. dont think it will happen