Los Angeles is obviously a huge city. Bigger than Chicago or New York at least in terms of land area. But we don't have nearly the amount of density or "sites to see" as the others do. I realize that our skyline is all spread out. But do you think we will ever start building, making the skyline bigger and better, and having a more lively downtown? Seems like we haven't had any new projects or plans for years now.

Wait around for 5-15 years. Downtown will look extremely different.

Wait around for 5-15 years. Downtown will look extremely different.

Why do you say that? Are there lots of plans that are going on right now to start building again? I haven't heard too much about any projects in the near future.

Why do you say that? Are there lots of plans that are going on right now to start building again? I haven't heard too much about any projects in the near future.

where have you been ???

http://www.downtownnews.com/articles/2004/11/22/development/estate04.txt

where have you been ???

http://www.downtownnews.com/articles/2004/11/22/development/estate04.txt

I'm thinking he's been under Eagle Rock.

I hope so. It's a great city already, it can only get better as it grows (hopefully).

It does not need to become a NYC or Chicago. LA is unique enough as it is, and should not want to ruin it by trying to be something that it is not. That goes for all cities in America.

What's more dangerous:

asking "Will LA ever become a CHI or NY?" on this board

-or-

asking Bush "Did you ever consider invading Iran?"

I'd go with the first.

I cant wait till that happens, but until then, I will still be driving into the City on the Golden State Freeway looking at the same old boring skyline ;)

^you may help speed along that process if you choose to take a train into the city rather than drive, eh?

It does not need to become a NYC or Chicago. LA is unique enough as it is, and should not want to ruin it by trying to be something that it is not. That goes for all cities in America.

I didn't mean for it to try and be like NYC or Chicago, I just meant as far as development goes. NYC and Chicago both have had things going on over the last few years and it just seems like LA has had nothing really. But it looks like that is starting to change so that's a good sign.

Will LA ever become a CHI or NY?


I hope not!!
all the millions of New York and Chicago transplants who live in LA would totally hate it!!

Therea are some big changes downtown. At SSC there is a downtown LA update thread with 1000 posts listing all the projects DT. In summary, there is the Grand Ave project, the LA Live, Elleven, 9th and Fig and so on. There are about 40 -50 towers int he planning stages or under construction, ranging from 15 stories to 65 stories at the Grand ave project. Most of these new residential towers are in the 20 -35 story range> there is a lot going on Downtown and it can only lead to bigger and better projects along the way. i truley believe that in 5 years DT LA is going to be a totally different (read: better) place and we will have a dynamica dn growing skyline. Check out LAdowntownNews every friday at 6 where they post thier new articles and every week you see a new project announced. If you go to the development page, there is enough info to keep you occupied for hours.

Los Angeles is much modern city than NYC and Chicago. NYC and Chicago is nothing to near fine beach in ocean area because cold temperature will come in around September until May.

Los Angeles was considered brother of Tokyo because both are much modern, near to fine beach, modern subway, modern light rail, skyscraper was in group of Beverly Hills, Long Beach, Los Angeles, Glendale, Santa Monica, West Los Angeles, San Ferando Valley and South Bay.

Never!!!!!!!!!!!

Please God, NOOOO!

Los Angeles is much modern city than NYC and Chicago. NYC and Chicago is nothing to near fine beach in ocean area because cold temperature will come in around September until May.


Yeah, too bad Chicago doesn't have any beaches :|


Los Angeles was considered brother of Tokyo because both are much modern, near to fine beach, modern subway, modern light rail, skyscraper was in group of Beverly Hills, Long Beach, Los Angeles, Glendale, Santa Monica, West Los Angeles, San Ferando Valley and South Bay.

??????

^ :wtf:

So I guess....hmmmm....NYC and Chicago have....inferior rail systems and skyscrapers.......well that's too bad. Here's another theory--this guy is from Japan and has never made it past California in his short, cheap trips to the US

Los Angeles is a great, modern metropolis as it is, why ruin it by trying to make it something that it isn't? :)

If it ain't broken, don't fix it ;) LAs sprawly suburbs and tall central skyline make it unique from cities like New York and Chicago. Their skylines have a lot of tall buildings, and it makes them look short. LA has a huge skyline that jumps out of almost nothing, which makes it look a lot bigger. And what is this about no attractions? What about Hollywood, or the fact that LA itself is an giant attraction? :P It's fine as it is.

If it ain't broken, don't fix it ;) LAs sprawly suburbs and tall central skyline make it unique from cities like New York and Chicago. Their skylines have a lot of tall buildings, and it makes them look short. LA has a huge skyline that jumps out of almost nothing, which makes it look a lot bigger. And what is this about no attractions? What about Hollywood, or the fact that LA itself is an giant attraction? :P It's fine as it is.

How pathetic! LA's skyline does not look big at all! It looks puny, which is what it is. Don't even waste our time..

LA's fine the way it is.

Why do you say that? Are there lots of plans that are going on right now to start building again? I haven't heard too much about any projects in the near future.



You need to read this forum more often. Projects planned within the last few months include 2 billion dollar street revival of Grand Ave, 2 billion dollar project called LA live in just downtown LA alone. Check the search to look up the projects. Not to mention the metro extensions.

Are you talking about buildings=skyscrapers? If you are talking about developments overall, LA has developments all over Hollywood, downtown, and the westside and beyond. But this forum concentrates more on downtown.

I would never say that LA is fine the way it is. Actually, it is the most disfunctional urban area that I can think of in the US and Canada.

A) Sprawl: Sprawl is bad and unsustainable. LA is the second largest city in America and one of the biggest urban areas in the world and it looks like the world's largest suburb.

B) Public Transit: It is practically non existant in LA and that is partly because of the sprawl. Because of bad PT, commuters spend many hours in their cars which has been proven to be a health risk. It is also going to be more and more costly for people to have cars.

C) Energy Use: In cold climates, people are forced to use vast amounts of energy to heat their homes. In LA, people use vast ammounts of energy to cool their homes. Some people might say that it is impossible for them to live without AC. Infact, the majority or should I say vast majority of people that live in hot and sometimes humid climates don't have AC and do okay without it. Come on, we are talking about LA not Dubai.

D) Pollution: This something to be expected in large cities. In LA it is made alot worse by A, B and C. I won't insult your intelligence by spelling them out.

E) Crime: No explanation really needed hear. It is mostly cause by poverty in most places and I think the same can be said for LA which sufferes from some of the worst violent crime levels in the western world. This leads into the next point.

F) Poverty: When we see LA in the media, we see glamouris, powerfull and wealthy people. The stark reality is that a good size of LA's populus is very poor.



That's my two cents.

How pathetic! LA's skyline does not look big at all! It looks puny, which is what it is. Don't even waste our time..

Sounds like penis envy to me :|

I would never say that LA is fine the way it is. Actually, it is the most disfunctional urban area that I can think of in the US and Canada.

C) Energy Use: In cold climates, people are forced to use vast amounts of energy to heat their homes. In LA, people use vast ammounts of energy to cool their homes. Some people might say that it is impossible for them to live without AC. Infact, the majority or should I say vast majority of people that live in hot and sometimes humid climates don't have AC and do okay without it. Come on, we are talking about LA not Dubai.

D) Pollution: This something to be expected in large cities. In LA it is made alot worse by A, B and C. I won't insult your intelligence by spelling them out.
That's my two cents.

:sleepy:

so what you're saying is that NY only has cold weather? have you been there in the summer?

Los Angeles is known for it's great year-around weather.

I seriously only use my A/C for some parts of the summer (maybe 7-14 days worth a year). I hardly call that "consuming resources"......

Please insult my intelligence by spelling it out for me [studies/statistics/articles, please]

:hm:

I would never say that LA is fine the way it is. Actually, it is the most disfunctional urban area that I can think of in the US and Canada.

A) Sprawl: Sprawl is bad and unsustainable. LA is the second largest city in America and one of the biggest urban areas in the world and it looks like the world's largest suburb.

B) Public Transit: It is practically non existant in LA and that is partly because of the sprawl. Because of bad PT, commuters spend many hours in their cars which has been proven to be a health risk. It is also going to be more and more costly for people to have cars.

C) Energy Use: In cold climates, people are forced to use vast amounts of energy to heat their homes. In LA, people use vast ammounts of energy to cool their homes. Some people might say that it is impossible for them to live without AC. Infact, the majority or should I say vast majority of people that live in hot and sometimes humid climates don't have AC and do okay without it. Come on, we are talking about LA not Dubai.

D) Pollution: This something to be expected in large cities. In LA it is made alot worse by A, B and C. I won't insult your intelligence by spelling them out.

E) Crime: No explanation really needed hear. It is mostly cause by poverty in most places and I think the same can be said for LA which sufferes from some of the worst violent crime levels in the western world. This leads into the next point.

F) Poverty: When we see LA in the media, we see glamouris, powerfull and wealthy people. The stark reality is that a good size of LA's populus is very poor.



That's my two cents.

SOUNDS LIKE A SEVERE CASE OF LA ANGST :LOL: ...... :)

I would never say that LA is fine the way it is. Actually, it is the most disfunctional urban area that I can think of in the US and Canada.

A) Sprawl: Sprawl is bad and unsustainable. LA is the second largest city in America and one of the biggest urban areas in the world and it looks like the world's largest suburb.

B) Public Transit: It is practically non existant in LA and that is partly because of the sprawl. Because of bad PT, commuters spend many hours in their cars which has been proven to be a health risk. It is also going to be more and more costly for people to have cars.

C) Energy Use: In cold climates, people are forced to use vast amounts of energy to heat their homes. In LA, people use vast ammounts of energy to cool their homes. Some people might say that it is impossible for them to live without AC. Infact, the majority or should I say vast majority of people that live in hot and sometimes humid climates don't have AC and do okay without it. Come on, we are talking about LA not Dubai.

D) Pollution: This something to be expected in large cities. In LA it is made alot worse by A, B and C. I won't insult your intelligence by spelling them out.

E) Crime: No explanation really needed hear. It is mostly cause by poverty in most places and I think the same can be said for LA which sufferes from some of the worst violent crime levels in the western world. This leads into the next point.

F) Poverty: When we see LA in the media, we see glamouris, powerfull and wealthy people. The stark reality is that a good size of LA's populus is very poor.



That's my two cents.


Well your two cents doesn't sound like you actually put two cents of thoughts into what you wrote. You have no clue about LA other than hear say. I'm too tired to type a long post. But what I will say is LA crime rate is among the lowest per capita of big cities in America. Public transportation almost non existant, what a laugh. No its not NYC, but why don't you check out the stats on the MTA website and tell me its non existant, 200 bus routes isn't exactly small. There are also many other transit agencies all around the metro. As far as the poor, every city in America has its poor and LA is no exception. Still the condition of the neighborhoods compared to many eastern and mid-western cities aren't all that bad. In fact many of the poor areas here wouldn't even be considered a slum in a eastern and mid-western city.
And one last thing, we don't consume a lot of energy on a/c. Most Angelenos probably don't even use a/c because its doesn't get that hot to require it.
You might be surprise that we use our heat more so than the a/c. The only areas that many people use their a/c are in the burbs that are furthest from the ocean, Even then, its possible to live without it. I seldom used my a/c when I lived in the Inland Empire. Where I live presently I don't even have a/c, and my building is fairly new (built in 1990). I can tell you know very little about LA, so get off the bandwagon of haters and learn the facts before you speak.

Ok lets put it this way, first decade of major growth for the 3 largest U.S. citys,

New York City 1835/1845
Chicago 1885/1895
Los Angeles 1945/1955

population density per sq.mi. (1990)

New York City 16,000 to 18,000
Chicago 14,000 to 16,000 (also, San Francisco)
Los Angeles 6,000 to 9,000

Los Angeles, may one day reach the population density of the these other citys, and build many skyscrapers to house this density. so in a sense it will (in 40 or 50 years) be LIKE those citys, but it will be like those citys as ...........Los Angeles.

As far as the poor, every city in America has its poor and LA is no exception. Still the condition of the neighborhoods compared to many eastern and mid-western cities aren't all that bad. In fact many of the poor areas here wouldn't even be considered a slum in a eastern and mid-western city.

I've seen LA's slums, and they would fit in very neatly with Chicago's and New York's ones :)

Yeah, too bad Chicago doesn't have any beaches :|




??????

^ :wtf:

So I guess....hmmmm....NYC and Chicago have....inferior rail systems and skyscrapers.......well that's too bad. Here's another theory--this guy is from Japan and has never made it past California in his short, cheap trips to the US


OH!!! And how are Chicago beaches this time of year anyway?

OH!!! And how are Chicago beaches this time of year anyway?

Cold and empty.

Who cares? We have other things to do than "hang 10" all year round--we have things called productivity, culture, and business, something LA could use in its often fruitless existence

Cold and empty.

Who cares? We have other things to do than "hang 10" all year round--we have things called productivity, culture, and business, something LA could use in its often fruitless existence


Who is "we"? I thought you didn't live in Chicago.

Evidently you don't read the NYT. LA's arts scene is banging and LA is way way more of a big city in terms of high brow and popular culture than Chicago's will ever be! In fact, it is time for NY to start looking over it shoulder as we exert grow and grow.

I've seen LA's slums, and they would fit in very neatly with Chicago's and New York's ones :)


(lol) I think NOT. I lived in Chicago, and been to NYC and seen many of their poor areas.

Who is "we"? I thought you didn't live in Chicago.

Evidently you don't read the NYT. LA's arts scene is banging and LA is way way more of a big city in terms of high brow and popular culture than Chicago's will ever be! In fact, it is time for NY to start looking over it shoulder as we exert grow and grow.

Silverlake, we're living in a country that has players going up into the stands at NBA games to do battle with fans...and then, the same in college football, we have people shooting guns at other people with guns in the woods of Wisconsin, road rage everywhere, red states ripping apart blue states beating apart fundamentalist beating apart scientists beating the hell out of Iraq, all the time measuring to see whose swinging dick is the biggest. and best.Welcome to America.

Reality check time, my man:

LA is a wonderful city. It can stand on its own without any competiton from anywher else. It is unique and it is a highly valued part of the American landscape.

Chicago is a wonderful city. It can stand on its own without any competiton from anywher else. It is unique and it is a highly valued part of the American landscape.

New York is a wonderful city. It can stand on its own without any competiton from anywher else. It is unique and it is a highly valued part of the American landscape.

Lots and lots of folks in all 3 cities love the other two. We're not really in that such competion with each other. In fact, we need each other to make our own cities work.

It's Thanksgiving. My best to the folks out in LA. As a Chicagoan and a Midwesterner, January 1 will always be special to me (to us) when we get your guys (Pac-10) and our guys (Big Ten), out there in your spectacular back yard in Arroyo Seco, in a tradition that speaks far more about mutual respect and cooperation than it does about anomosity. May peace come to the battlefields in Fallushah, Bagdad, LA, and Chicago.

Silverlake, we're living in a country that has players going up into the stands at NBA games to do battle with fans...and then, the same in college football, we have people shooting guns at other people with guns in the woods of Wisconsin, road rage everywhere, red states ripping apart blue states beating apart fundamentalist beating apart scientists beating the hell out of Iraq, all the time measuring to see whose swinging dick is the biggest. and best.Welcome to America.

Reality check time, my man:

LA is a wonderful city. It can stand on its own without any competiton from anywher else. It is unique and it is a highly valued part of the American landscape.

Chicago is a wonderful city. It can stand on its own without any competiton from anywher else. It is unique and it is a highly valued part of the American landscape.

New York is a wonderful city. It can stand on its own without any competiton from anywher else. It is unique and it is a highly valued part of the American landscape.

Lots and lots of folks in all 3 cities love the other two. We're not really in that such competion with each other. In fact, we need each other to make our own cities work.

It's Thanksgiving. My best to the folks out in LA. As a Chicagoan and a Midwesterner, January 1 will always be special to me (to us) when we get your guys (Pac-10) and our guys (Big Ten), out there in your spectacular back yard in Arroyo Seco, in a tradition that speaks far more about mutual respect and cooperation than it does about anomosity. May peace come to the battlefields in Fallushah, Bagdad, LA, and Chicago.

Why don't you chide Urban Politician. Your his buddy. He hates LA even more than you. Get him off our boards and there will be less of a problem.

(lol) I think NOT. I lived in Chicago, and been to NYC and seen many of their poor areas.

:hilarious

Yeah, Chris. Compton, Watts, all those ghettos--so beautiful. Chicago and NYC would LOVE to have those kinds of hoods

Who is "we"? I thought you didn't live in Chicago.

Evidently you don't read the NYT. LA's arts scene is banging and LA is way way more of a big city in terms of high brow and popular culture than Chicago's will ever be! In fact, it is time for NY to start looking over it shoulder as we exert grow and grow.

^You're right, I don't live in Chicago. Sometimes I consider myself a surrogate Chicagoan because I wish I lived there.

Either way, look at the thread title--don't blame me, I didn't start it. One thing for sure, nobody in the Chicago thread would ever start one called "Will Chicago ever be more like LA?"

^You're right, I don't live in Chicago. Sometimes I consider myself a surrogate Chicagoan because I wish I lived there.

Either way, look at the thread title--don't blame me, I didn't start it. One thing for sure, nobody in the Chicago thread would ever start one called "Will Chicago ever be more like LA?"

That's because Chicago peaked in 1950 and declined to a plateau today. LA is banging, rising higher and higher, I can't wait for you to see the next census when we go way over 4 million!

That's because Chicago peaked in 1950 and declined to a plateau today. LA is banging, rising higher and higher, I can't wait for you to see the next census when we go way over 4 million!

^Actually, it's more because Chicago sees LA as a failure in urban planning, whereas it sees NYC and European cities as successes.

Why don't you chide Urban Politician. Your his buddy. He hates LA even more than you. Get him off our boards and there will be less of a problem.

I think Urban Politican has posted some wonderful posts. He and all of us get into the nonsense here on this board because the atmosphere gets so toxic.

Guess what? Until I starting reading here, not only did I not dislike LA (I still don't....it's a great place), I never criticized it.

It wasn't LA that got the chiding remarks in, Silverlake, it was (in part...but no means wholely) due to your excessive competitiveness between cities.

I'll say this again (although you never did respond...and that's o.k., too): you come across to me as someone who really dislikes LA. Why? The only good things you say about it come with comparisons to other cities. That's absurd. LA is a great enough city that it does not have to be compared to other places.

Believe it or not, Silverlake, you could write a 3000 word post on what's good about LA....and not once compare it to any other city. Quite frankly that's what I try to do about Chgo on the Chgo board. Chicago is at its best by being Chicago and not by being in competition with anyone.

Ona personal note, for my own sake (since I'm stuck living with myself), I'm going to do my best to stay away from the battles between cities. I've read stuff I've written and frankly there are parts I dislike instensely. I may not be successful, but it's worth the old college try.

^Actually, it's more because Chicago sees LA as a failure in urban planning, whereas it sees NYC and European cities as successes.

No matter how much you hate LA, LA will become more and more significant the next two decades and possible the most significant US city by the end of our lives, whether you like it or not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

You better get on the LA bus before you get run over the LA bus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now stay outta our threads!!!!!!!!!!

Ok let me put it ANOTHER way, since certain posters can't see the lesson in my post's. (which is the reason i don't like these comparison thread's)

Citys that i've been to in my life (major ones, anyway.)

San Diego
San Fransisco
Portland
Seattle
Vancouver
Spokane
Salt Lake City
Phoneix
El paso
San Antonio
Houston
Tulsa
St Louis
Minniapolis/St. Paul
Milwaukee
Chicago
Indianapolis
Detroit
Memphis
Nashville
Norfolk
Washington D.C.
Baltimore
Philidelphia
New York City
London
Portsmouth
Antwerp
Brussels
Paris
Naples
Rome
Haifa
Beirut
Caracas
Amsterdam

and many smaller one's in between. I love them all the same, for one simple reason, what they represent to there locations. All citys are unique for this reason and cannot be compaired to each other, history is also a factor in this. so maybe one day when some of you posters pop the bubble you live in, you'll understand what i'm talking about!!!

That's because Chicago peaked in 1950 and declined to a plateau today. LA is banging, rising higher and higher, I can't wait for you to see the next census when we go way over 4 million!

Yeah. I agree. Los Angeles become 2nd largest city in US since 1980s. Most people thought about L.A. It going be 4 million in city of L.A. next year.

Houston will going be 3rd largest city in US soon as more than 2010.

SIlVERLAKE, please stop posting.

I beg you, as a fellow Angeleno, please stop making us look bad.

Houston will going be 3rd largest city in US soon as more than 2010.

^but with a metro size of under 5 million, Houston doesn't even crack the top 6 or 7 in the country. It's population density is so low and it is spread out over so much land that its barely even a real city. Houston adds to its population by just snabbing more land

SIlVERLAKE, please stop posting.

I beg you, as a fellow Angeleno, please stop making us look bad.

Cleveland Steamer, he doesn't make LA look bad at all. LA is fine and a great place and, all BS aside, it really is incredibly sad. He clearly lives vicariously through LA and that, more than anything, is what this is all about. He can't just be content with LA being a world class, major city; his own needs require the competition with other cities. And there is nothing that can prevent that from happening in his own mind.

The real trick, on the part of Angelenos and Chicagoans, is see this as his problem, wish him well, but not leading him lead this absurd LA vs. Chgo garbage.

SIlVERLAKE, please stop posting.

I beg you, as a fellow Angeleno, please stop making us look bad.

Aren't you RAPEWOMAN23 or something like that, weren't you banned? You don't like LA either! I think you are from Cleveland or Chicago too!

Let it go silverlake, your not going to convert people and they are not going to change your views. its an endless conversation. Rise above the BS and contribute some knowledge thats appropriate to the conversation. next time UP or someone else says something that pisses you off, just ignore it. i do.

We love L.A. :)

Silverlake, I think we can get LA's population up to that magical 4 million level you've been salavating for, but it will involve 1.5 million people crashing at your house for a month or two. Will this be a problem?

Hey, anyone ever heard of Glasgow in Scotland,UK?? I have been to LA so many times, it is easily one of the best cities in the world! You should check out the Glasgow Sub-forum in the UK and Ireland Forum, there is so much happening in our city, buildings just springing up!!

that was so random I nearly popped my clogs Ross. But well done advertising is the key think up of something that will start a conversation. Visit Glasgow all of you, we invented gangs! So take a look in the Glasgow sub-forum and find out more........................:)
I'm only pullin your legs about inventing gangs!

Why would L.A. want to become like those to cesspools? Heck, I wish all of those people from Chicago, NY, and other northern states would go back to where they came from. Everyplace they move to becomes a replica of those hellholes.

^stop the presses, another weirdo

Why would L.A. want to become like those to cesspools? Heck, I wish all of those people from Chicago, NY, and other northern states would go back to where they came from. Everyplace they move to becomes a replica of those hellholes.

^Actually, majority of the time its Californians coming to our cities to get a higher education. The whole time they are here they piss and whine "Oh I miss California--the weather and being able to park for free and drive my car along the coastline", then they finally go back and get what they want.

All they end up getting is an education. Nobody's telling them to turn beautiful smog-less LA into an ugly cesspool like NY or Chicago :)

absolutely. they should go, joining all the others heading to Vegas, Arizona, Colorado, Wyoming, Utah, ABLA*, Oregon (don't californicate Oregon), Washington, the Yukon, running away from the paradise that is LA in droves.




* ABLA (anywhere but Los Angeles)!!

Silverlake, why is it that you try to show us how confident in LA's greatness you are, and how much better LA is than any other place on the continent, but constantly you have to bash on cities like Chicago to get your ignorant points through. To me that shows weakness, an insecurity, that you really don't think LA is everything you make it out to be.

Why would L.A. want to become like those to cesspools? Heck, I wish all of those people from Chicago, NY, and other northern states would go back to where they came from. Everyplace they move to becomes a replica of those hellholes.

Chicago and NY, hellholes aren't they? I mean everything in LA is just so beautiful in every way, Compton, all of South Central, that wonderful sprawl. If only Chicago and New York could be more like that. :sleepy:

you guys are right, everyone from NY and Chicago goes to School in those cities, your right. how did i not notice this??


There are so many Ex NYers and Chicagoans in this city it makes me sick. They all complain about LA and you ask them why they dont go back, they say "are you kidding, theres no way i leave LA"

LA will never become NY or Chicago because its a completely different type of city. LA is a great city beacuse it isn't NY or Chicago, its the west coast answer to NY. However Chicago and NY have the historical significance that puts them in a different group of cities, architectually speaking.

I think in the future LA's urban core will continue to grow and strengthen, and their modern style of architecture will lead modern architecture in the US. Because of that, they will be on the map in terms of architecture.

^ i agree with everything you said

Architecturaly speaking L.A. will NEVER be in the same category as NYC or Chi-Town.

LA will never become NY or Chicago because its a completely different type of city. LA is a great city beacuse it isn't NY or Chicago, its the west coast answer to NY. However Chicago and NY have the historical significance that puts them in a different group of cities, architectually speaking.

I think in the future LA's urban core will continue to grow and strengthen, and their modern style of architecture will lead modern architecture in the US. Because of that, they will be on the map in terms of architecture.

yeah. You're right.

I love city that have alot of modern architecture like Miami, Tokyo, Hong Kong, most Asian largest cities and even largest cities in Europe.

Houston MUST be alot of modern architecture so project look so horrible.

Architecturaly speaking L.A. will NEVER be in the same category as NYC or Chi-Town.

I don't think that this is a fair comment. Los Angeles has some very famous architecture. This city is know as a test site for very innovative designs. Just in the past two years or so, three brilliant buildings have been built in Downtown LA. (Disney Hall, Caltrans headquarters and the new Cathedral) Not to mention that some older famous buildings, and I'm still just talking about downtown, that have recently been renovated include the LA main library, city hall and union station. This is just in one section of the city and buildings that have been built or renovated in the past couple year. This exludes the vast majority of the city and architecture.

^ people from outside of LA dont want to hear or believe that LA has some great Architecture and design. Its only Chicago or Ny for them. They all stick witht he sterotypes they see on TV.

LA has a little bit of everything, whereas NY or Chi doesn't, period.

^ people from outside of LA dont want to hear or believe that LA has some great Architecture and design. Its only Chicago or Ny for them. They all stick witht he sterotypes they see on TV.

The irony of the situation is that most scenes you see in the movies, several with famous architectural buildings and important vistas are all in LA. Downtown is the most filmed area in the world. Go figure?

LA has a little bit of everything, whereas NY or Chi doesn't, period.

retarded statement. Oh wait, you're right. Chi and NY don't have LA's smog! Yep, definitely lacking!

The irony of the situation is that most scenes you see in the movies, several with famous architectural buildings and important vistas are all in LA. Downtown is the most filmed area in the world. Go figure?

^that's only because the film industry is based there, and it is cheap to do shots nearby. Don't think, even for a second, that they are filming drive-thru's, gas stations, and parking lots in LA because of its beauty. That's so silly!

In other words, if the film industry were based somewhere else, LA would get about as much film/press time as any other ugly sunbelt suburb

Sure the TV and film industry is based in LA, but that doesn't mean that it's cheaper to film on the streets (as strange as that sounds). A lot of production has been making a stink because it is so expensive to film in LA despite proximity. Hence the trend of filming in Canada. So I just don't think that you comment is correct. And to say that they are not filming LA because of how it looks is dumb too. If it didn't look good, then why would they take pictures of it? Also, there is nothing special about LA that makes it special for film. Movies could be shot anywhere. Why did the film industry pick LA to begin with back in the 20's. Oh, cause they like the way it looked.

Furthermore, I don't care where, every city has parts that are nicer, and parts that are less attractive. However, that being said, that LA has gas stations, doesn't make it ugly. Thats definatley some pretty cracked out thinking. In fact there are some very famous gas stations in LA. (the 76 in Beverly Hills...look it up.)

LA has a lot of coverage in general because its a large and important city. I don't think there is much more to be said about this. It is the second largest city in the country, the most populous county in the country, and most diverse city in the nation. It also has the largest port, one of the largest airports, and has a huge amount of economic activity. It's just an important city. Ok.

Lastly, LA isn't an ugly city. In fact, as cities go, it has some of the most attractive areas and buildings. Its just different than a traditional city. Not better or worse, different. The development patterns are different, the building materials are different, the transportation system is different, I don't think you can just say its Ugly and in the smog belt. That seems like a little much to me.

So now to deal with the subject of this thread, will LA ever become NY or Chicago, the answer is simply NO. Would NY or CHI ever become LA, no. The cultures are different, the orientation of the cities are different, the way they grow is different. The three are on different paths completely. There is no place in the world like Los Angeles, and likewise NY or CHI. And frankly, its really nice that they aren't the same. I think it adds a lot to the country.

To deal with the question interms of growth however, will LA every feel as dense as say the loop in Chicago or lower Man. That probably won't happen either. LA is growing at a pretty good clip but the "urbanizaiton economies" are spread out very widely. Therefore growth and development will also happen widely. Sure places will densify, I think we are seeing it now, but there isn't a finite space like in NY or a lake front in Chicago the same way that holds development close.

^good points

It would be truely hard to achieve what Chicago and New York have today...

But you have to remember, what lies below the city? Rock? yes... So, intern, you could build to MARS! but, whats the one emperfection Los Angeles has? Earthquakes... That problem will prevent anything super tall or "too" urban from happening. Other wise, Los Angeles should try to beceom Chi-town or NYC, because LA is its own thang! Don't worry about it, be yourself LA, thats what got you to where you are today!!

Metro Area Factsheet: Los Angeles-Riverside-Orange County, California CMSA

Summary Metro Area Data (and Source)
Population (2003 CB est.): 17,262,730
Population (2000 Census): 16,373,645
Foreign-born Population (2000 Census): 5,067,615
Share Foreign Born (2000): 30.9%
Immigrant Stock (CPS): 8,346,000
Share Immigrant Stock (2000 est.): 52.5%
Immigrant Settlement 1991-98 (INS): 1,183,784
Population Projection 2025 (FAIR): 22,061,000

METRO AREA POPULATION
The population of the Los Angeles-Riverside-Orange County Consolidated Metropolitan Statistical Area (CMSA) was estimated by the Census Bureau at 17,262,730 residents as of July 2003. That was an increase of 1.7 percent from a year earlier and 5.4 percent since the 2000 Census.
According to the 2003 Census Bureau estimate, the Los Angeles-Riverside-Orange County CMSA's population had increased since July 2000 despite a population loss from net domestic migration (an annual average of about 41,315 more native-born residents leaving than arriving). This was offset by natural change (an annual average of about 154,865 more births than deaths) and net international migration (about 148,965 more foreign-born residents arriving than leaving). Therefore, immigration was the second largest component of population change, and it accounted directly for more than half (55.3%) of the metro area’s population increase over this period.
Most of the millions of east coast/midwest transplants that you mention arrived in Cali. during the 70's and 80s when L.A. was livable. Today most domestic migration has shifted to the north west, south, and the rocky mountain states.
It is true many international migrants choose the L.A. metro to settle (As they do New York, Chicago, The Bay Area, Miami...), Many people born or raised in L.A. opt to leave. Why?

Previous message was in response to this comment from LosAngeles sportsfan(forgot the quote) Opps!

you guys are right, everyone from NY and Chicago goes to School in those cities, your right. how did i not notice this??


There are so many Ex NYers and Chicagoans in this city it makes me sick. They all complain about LA and you ask them why they dont go back, they say "are you kidding, theres no way i leave LA"

retarded statement. Oh wait, you're right. Chi and NY don't have LA's smog! Yep, definitely lacking!

ouch, good one! :sleepy:

ouch, good one! :sleepy:

Oh, so you're giving me the sleep face. I guess that makes you right

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~obs/images/towercam.jpg

Architecturaly speaking L.A. will NEVER be in the same category as NYC or Chi-Town.

Historic architecture? Of course not.
Modern architecture? Thats what they have to work with, they would be ridiculous not to be the catalyst for modern architecture.

I don't think that this is a fair comment. Los Angeles has some very famous architecture. This city is know as a test site for very innovative designs. Just in the past two years or so, three brilliant buildings have been built in Downtown LA. (Disney Hall, Caltrans headquarters and the new Cathedral) Not to mention that some older famous buildings, and I'm still just talking about downtown, that have recently been renovated include the LA main library, city hall and union station. This is just in one section of the city and buildings that have been built or renovated in the past couple year. This exludes the vast majority of the city and architecture.

First off I agree with you.
Second, please don't mention Gehry as a innovative designer, although I think his work is stunning, I wouldn't say its cutting edge architecture anymore, at one point yes it was. Having a Gehry design has almost been a staple for a city whos trying to promote the fact that they have modern architecture.

^ people from outside of LA dont want to hear or believe that LA has some great Architecture and design. Its only Chicago or Ny for them. They all stick witht he sterotypes they see on TV.

People know LA has some great modern-architecture and design, I think the conflict they see is with the planning and growth of the city.

LA has a little bit of everything, whereas NY or Chi doesn't, period.

LA is a great city, but this statement is ridiculous.

LA is a great city, but this statement is ridiculous.

as is this one!

http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~obs/images/towercam.jpg

This is like so totally cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I wish I could make it my signature so people can always see how sweet the weather is here.

as is this one!

What makes that so ridiculous? Chicago is known as an architecural capitol of the world, saying that LA has more architecural styles is truly ridiculous. Chicago mops the floor clean with LA when it comes to architecture.

What makes that so ridiculous? Chicago is known as an architecural capitol of the world, saying that LA has more architecural styles is truly ridiculous. Chicago mops the floor clean with LA when it comes to architecture.


The past is the past. LA is where its at today! THe Disney Hall, crystal catherdral and Caltrans buildings are being celebrated around the world! Chicago eats LA's architectural crumbs today!!!!

Here is pot link on this forum that you may like, cause you're obviously smoking some major weed to think L.A. can go toe to toe with Chicago in tems of Urban Architecture.

http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=161307

http://www.ee.ucla.edu/~somdeb/images/Chicago/chicago0032.JPG

I'm talking about what's been happening in each city since the 80s. LA RULES!

I'm talking about what's been happening in each city since the 80s. LA RULES!

Maybe in the 80's, but overall LA just can't compete.

And that's an amazing shot chicagogeorge. :eek2:

I'l give you that L.A. has made great strides in it's skyline..... but to campare it to Chicago? I don't think so. Plus Chicago is in the middle of a major building boom of it's own. There has to be at least 30 or 40 high rise crains working right now!
This list is from Sharpent of notable buildings recently completed, under construction, or approved for construction:
Chicago's building boom:



code:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
name use height floors year

recently completed:
1. Park Tower res./hotel 844 ft 67 2000
2. UBS Tower office 651 ft 50 2001
3. 55 East Erie residential 647 ft 56 2004
4. River East Center I residential 644 ft 58 2001
5. Grand Plaza Tower I residential 641 ft 57 2003
6. Millennium Centre residential 610 ft 58 2003
7. Bank One Corp. Center office 580 ft 39 2003
8. The Fordham residential 574 ft 52 2003
9. Park Millennium residential 544 ft 57 2002
10. The Pinnacle residential 535 ft 48 2004
11. 191 North Wacker Drive office 516 ft 37 2002
12. One Superior Place residential 502 ft 52 1999
13. The Bristol residential 488 ft 42 2000
14. The Sterling residential 466 ft 50 2001
15. 400 North Lasalle residential 454 ft 45 2003
16. ABN AMRO Plaza I office 453 ft 29 2003
17. Riverbend residential 451 ft 38 2002
18. Skybridge residential 421 ft 39 2003
19. 2 East Erie residential 415 ft 39 2002
20. River View II residential 399 ft 32 2004
21. The Pearson residential 395 ft 35 2003
22. Wells Street Tower residential 388 ft 34 2002
23. Forty-One East Eighth residential 387 ft 33 2003
24. Grand Plaza II residential 378 ft 39 2003
25. 1111 South Wabash residential 367 ft 34 2004
26. Kinzie Park Tower residential 365 ft 34 2001
27. Chestnut Tower residential 360 ft 36 2000
28. Park Alexandria residential 347 ft 32 2003
29. Sofitel Chicago hotel 347 ft 33 2002
30. 840 North LSD residential 329 ft 27 2004
31. 530 North LSD residential 328 ft 29 2003
32. River View I residential 321 ft 27 2000
33. Courtyard by Marriott hotel 317 ft 23 2003
34. The Caravel residential 309 ft 29 2003
35. Kingsbury on the Park residential 301 ft 25 2004



under construction:
1. 111 South Wacker Drive office 681 ft 51 2005
2. Hyatt Center office 679 ft 48 2005
3. The Heritage residential 631 ft 57 2005
4. 1 South Dearborn office 571 ft 40 2005
5. The Regatta residential 471 ft 45 2006
6. The Shoreham residential 450 ft 47 2005
7. Twelve55 S. Michigan residential 425 ft 40 2005
8. Museum Tower residential 400 ft 38 2006
9. The Lancaster residential 324 ft 30 2005
10. Prentice Women’s Hospital hospital 316 ft 18 2007
11. Michigan Ave. Tower residential 314 ft 29 2005



proposed:*
1. Trump Tower Chicago res./hotel 1,125 ft 90 2008
2. Waterview Tower res./hotel 1,030 ft 85 2007
3. 4th Presbyterian Tower res./office 745 ft 64 2009
4. 65 East Huron res./office 730 ft 64 2007
5. One Museum Park residential 720 ft 65 ____
6. The Elysian res./hotel 704 ft 60 ____
7. 340 on the Park residential 640 ft 62 ____
8. The Clare at Watertower residential 595 ft 50 2007
9. 600 North LSD residential 513 ft 46 2007
10. 50 East Chestnut residential 495 ft 40 2006
11. The Columbian residential 493 ft 46 2006
12. 622 North LSD residential 453 ft 40 2007
13. The Lakeview Middle Tower residential 442 ft 37 2006
14. 1000 South Michigan residential 429 ft 40 2006
15. State-Delaware Condos residential 385 ft 42 ____
16. 901 South Wabash residential 369 ft 43 ____
17. 1001 South Wabash residential 369 ft 43 ____
18. The Lakeview North Tower residential 337 ft 30 2006


***************************** heights not known ******************************

19. Blue Cross-Blue Shield** office ___ ft 60 ____
20. 740 North Rush residential ___ ft 50 ____
21. 321 East Ohio Street residential ___ ft 48 ____
22. One East Superior residential ___ ft 46 ____
23. State-Walton condos residential ___ ft 42 ____
24. 1320 North LSD residential ___ ft 40 ____
25. Grand-Kingsbury Apartments residential ___ ft 40 ____
26. The Left Bank Apartments residential ___ ft 39 ____
27. Clinton-Kinzie Apartments residential ___ ft 35 ____
28. Clinton-Kinzie Condos residential ___ ft 35 ____
29. Wacker Plaza office ___ ft 34 ____
30. Randolph Court residential ___ ft 33 ____
31. Franklin and Randolph office ___ ft 32 ____
32. ABN AMRO Plaza II office ___ ft 30 ____
33. Ontario Street Condos residential ___ ft 30 ____


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Here are some buildings soon to go up in Chicago:

http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/554/6324chicago_tower.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/554/9waterview_photo_match_1.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/500/63244th_presbyterian_2.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/500/5298acf3c7f.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/500/6525image4.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/500/5298elysian.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/500/5298340_on_the_park.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/554/6324the_clare_3.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/554/6324600_n_lsd.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/554/632450_e_chestnut.jpg
http://thecolumbianchicago.com/images/pic_home_02.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/554/63241000_s_michigan_2.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/554/6324canal-fulton.jpg
:eek2:

Here is a link to Emporis Skuscraper data base
This will show you all high rise buldings (467) in Los Angeles completed, under construction (like 5), or approved.
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/bu/?id=101029

Here is Chicago high rise link on this data base. Almost 1500 high rises.
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/ci/?id=101030

NO WAY... I don't want Los Angeles to be compared to Chicago, New York City and most largest cities in east coast expect Miami. Los Angeles will be very modernism city in US.

Los Angeles's architecural will be very modernism compared to Miami, Hong Kong, Singapore, San Fransicso, San Diego, Tokyo and even Mexico City.

Modern Architecural Photo:
http://www.miamilodgerealty.com/_Pictures_Properties/ICE1.jpg
http://www.miamilodgerealty.com/_pictures_properties/77_0_2pyW.jpg
http://www.miamilodgerealty.com/_Pictures_properties/Brickell.jpg
http://www.miamilodgerealty.com/_Pictures_Properties/vilazul.jpg
http://www.miamilodgerealty.com/_Pictures_Properties/Vilasol1.jpg
http://www.baldwinhardware.com/asog/_data/perioddetails/modern/background_furnishings.jpg
http://www.miamilodgerealty.com/_Pictures_Properties/Vilasol2.jpg
http://www.seanet.com/~macki/chace/academic/prague2.jpg
http://www.nu-heat.co.uk/images/specifiers/Modern-house-215.jpg
http://www.fotosearch.com/bigcomps/phd/PHD459/108005.jpg
http://www.baldwinhardware.com/asog/_data/perioddetails/modern/background_exterior.jpg
http://www.baldwinhardware.com/asog/_data/perioddetails/modern/background_interior.jpg
http://www.accomnoosa.com.au/prop/images/prop/bluewaters-1.jpg
http://www.smith.edu/sao/reslife/houses/images/cutterz_p.jpg
http://www.buyhomespain.com/properties/private/benilloba%20house.jpg
http://www.arch.montana.edu/classes/arch323/Late%20Modern/Lovell%20House.JPG
http://www.johnrawlefishing.co.uk/house%202.jpg
http://www.atlantic.com.bb/images/brittonshill/reeceroad.jpg
http://www.cnt-group.com/Atlas/Blackhawk/Maps/Photos/East/East.jpg
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~MA01/Lisle/30home/modern/images/exlovellage.jpg
http://www.stocklocations.com/losangeles/homes/agmidcentury/photo1.jpg
http://www.stocklocations.com/losangeles/homes/agmidcentury/photo3.jpg
All of modern building can be replace in South Los Angeles. :cheers:

L.A. Downtown:
http://www.cs.ucla.edu/~kulisics/images/domestic/los_angeles/night/downtown_from_chinatown.jpg
http://www.cs.ucla.edu/~kulisics/images/domestic/los_angeles/night/miracle_mile.jpg
http://media.lodging.com/p118000-118999/118965/231295.jpg

^
Isn't this a Skyscraper forum? Why are you posting pictures of houses?

^
Isn't this a Skyscraper forum? Why are you posting pictures of houses?

No matter about house, loft, apartment and skyscraper.

I just posting some modern building for Los Angeles in future because Silverlake don't understand what modernism means. He must know about Los Angeles growing bigger modernism community.

I must admit that I do love L.A.'s Mediterranean style of architecture. ( My family comes from Greece). It fits. Just as Chicago's giant skyscrapers and bungalow style homes fit it as well.
http://img39.exs.cx/img39/327/Chi-in-July--19.jpg



http://www.oldhousejournal.com/magazine/bungalows/images/bungalow5.jpg


http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~tenutafamily/images/abate_photos/P3240029.JPG

http://www.roszakadc.com/roszak_images/wells_lrg.jpg
http://www.rooseveltsquare.com/images/Renderings/View4EastSideLytle_700x394.jpg

http://img39.exs.cx/img39/9936/Chi-in-July--58.jpg
http://img38.exs.cx/img38/4901/Chi-in-July--04.jpg
http://img39.exs.cx/img39/69/Chi-in-July--75.jpg
http://img39.exs.cx/img39/3492/Chi-in-July--15.jpg
Construction as usual:
http://img39.exs.cx/img39/795/Chi-in-July--21.jpg
http://img39.exs.cx/img39/8135/Chi-in-July--30.jpg
http://img39.exs.cx/img39/3449/Chi-in-July--40.jpg
http://img39.exs.cx/img39/7461/Chi-in-July--57.jpg
http://img39.exs.cx/img39/3186/Chi-in-July--61.jpg
http://img39.exs.cx/img39/2314/Chi-in-July--62.jpg
http://img39.exs.cx/img39/3438/Chi-in-July--108.jpg
http://img29.exs.cx/img29/8749/Chi-in-July--66.jpg
http://img29.exs.cx/img29/8082/Chi-in-July--67.jpg
http://www.philipmalenfant.com/chi1551
http://www.philipmalenfant.com/chi1536
http://www.philipmalenfant.com/chi1541
http://www.philipmalenfant.com/chi1546
http://www.philipmalenfant.com/chi1529
http://www.philipmalenfant.com/chi1552

Photos provided by Chicago forumers

chicagogeorge, Great Job for posting many Chicago picture. I like Chicago's photo.

Thank you so much.

There is more picture about Los Angeles.

http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699picture_089c.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699lasubway.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699144-4437_imgb.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699p1010100.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/379dllakl4.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699p7110063b.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/111dt3.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699ladowntownpic8sm.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699193-9352_img.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699westsidela.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699westla6b.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699staplescenternight.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699westwood4.jpg http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/4023coa1.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/4023coa2.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/4023coa3.jpg
The project named City of Angels Monument have been cancelled since 1990s because of soured economy.
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/28losangeles-residences01.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/28losangeles-755tower01.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/379la.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699lapano.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699187-8755_imgc.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699ladowntownview.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699urbanla.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699lastreet1.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699blueline.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699downtownlanight.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699subway.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/3790.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699155-5544_imgb.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/379neighborhood2.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699wilshirevermont.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699155-5571_imgb.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699161-6123_imgb.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699librarytower.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699144-4432_imgb.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699144-4476_imgb.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/3792.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699laawesomepic.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699laxpylons.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699lafilmpics1.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699lafilmpics5.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699marinadelrey.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699santamonicadowntown.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699santamonicadowntown2.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699lanight9c.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699lanight10c.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699silverlake_neighborhood.jpg
SILVERLAKE, That is your home.
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/111to02.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699lanightsky1b.jpg
Cleveland Steamer/Canned Kitten, That is your home.
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699latypicalapartmentstreet.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699highlight16.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699p1010089.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699lahighlights7.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699silverlake3.jpg
SILVERLAKE, That is your home again.
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699p1010083.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699laresidentialstreetsm.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/643500x500_486228f086a12d1f400a831477a0c5e6.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699p1010150.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699silverlake.jpg
SILVERLAKE, That is your home again.
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699westlake2.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/643js007881.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699pc300214.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699img_2433b.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699img_2442b.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/643la18.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699p1010129.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/643la19.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/643la_neighborhood.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699westwoodb.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699lasunset.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699freewayview.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699lafromthefreeway.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699miraclemile.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/111dt03.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/111la05a.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699santamonicaplacemall.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699brentwoodresidential.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/111la08a.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699olddowntownscene.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699lanightpic6.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699p1110107.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699img_0494b.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699p1110108.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699picture_149b.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699p1010128.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699lanightpic7.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699laresidential.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699img_2095c.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699santamonica4.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699lanightpic3.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699picture_133.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699picture_164.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699picture_130b.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/111f03.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/111smog_panarama.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699img_2127c.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699img_0386.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699westhollywood.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699img_2030b.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/699lapic20c.jpg

I hope you will enjoy this all photo about Los Angeles.

SILVERLAKE, I found 3 picture that from Silverlake.

Excellent Job!

Excellent Job!

Thanks man. You did excellent job too. :cheers:

I will take care with SILVERLAKE for being rude/argue with people from Chicago. I will teach him how be nice to people from Chicago and Miami.

SILVERLAKE, Please do not argue with people from other cities. Just give a deal if other people are rude or insult about Los Angeles. I hope you will enjoy see many photo below. :cheers:

http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/643500x500_486228f086a12d1f400a831477a0c5e6.jpg

Awesome angle of US Bank Tower, I love that building.

You're probably sick of all these Chicago pics on an L.A. thread but compare the following Chicago and L.A. picks....

http://www.pbase.com/image/21391121/original.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/image/24391747/original.jpg
http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/500/1481nice.jpg



http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/577/379la4.jpg
http://jja.image.pbase.com/u42/goonsta/large/27702890.roof018.jpg
http://mk31.image.pbase.com/u42/goonsta/large/27702909.roof128.jpg
http://mishappa.image.pbase.com/u42/goonsta/large/27702902.roof074.jpg
http://jja.image.pbase.com/u42/goonsta/large/27702919.roof173.jpg
http://jja.image.pbase.com/u8/goonsta/upload/37325687.roof353.jpg
http://a.image.pbase.com/u8/goonsta/large/37325702.roof396.jpg
http://jja.image.pbase.com/u8/goonsta/large/37325711.roof403.jpg
http://jja.image.pbase.com/u8/goonsta/large/37325708.roof401.jpg

it has palm trees, mountains, great weather and style...

http://www.arman.kz/images/Los_Angeles.jpg

http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/~enxrah/wallpaper/City_of_Angels_Los_Angeles_California.jpg

http://wallpapers.for.free.fr/galleries/construction/city/los_angeles_1.jpg

http://www.cs.ucla.edu/~kulisics/images/domestic/los_angeles/night/hollywood_highland_kodak.jpg

http://www.cs.ucla.edu/~kulisics/images/domestic/los_angeles/night/downtown_from_kensington.jpg

http://www.ckm.sk/buxus/images/LAX_night_V.jpg

http://www.mykreeve.net/california/los_angeles/downtown/los_angeles_city_hall.jpg

http://www.csua.berkeley.edu/~kkao/pictures/batch13/P703laus.jpg

http://monologues.jotpuree.com/~wsalinas/images/los_angeles.jpg

http://www.bophoto.com/nexio/nexio-desktops/los-angeles-800x480.jpg

http://shareyourpictures.tripod.com/PA18_city/Los_Angeles.jpg

http://www.mykreeve.net/california/los_angeles/dodgers_stadium/view_over_los_angeles_from_dodgers_stadium.jpg

http://www.wghartshorn.com/citiescapes/images/macarthur-park-la.jpg

http://lilithlotr.ejwsites.net/LAtornTTT/hollywood-highland.JPG

http://www.clevelandskyline.com/LA_-_DODGER_STADIUMf.JPG

http://www.laphotos.com/hollywood_pantages.jpg

http://www.mykreeve.net/california/los_angeles/dodgers_stadium/dodgers_stadium_scoreboard.jpg

http://marys-travels.com/la/la9.jpg

http://www.mykreeve.net/california/los_angeles/getty_center/getty_center_cactus_garden_view.jpg

http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/filmnotes/images/PDRM4707a.jpg

http://www.icsl.ucla.edu/~ilocher/la_downtown_by_night.jpg

You forgot to mention earthquakes. 8.5 bye bye!

You forgot to mention earthquakes. 8.5 bye bye!

No, You need see our thread named 1994 Northridge Eartquake History. You did much wrong.

You forgot to mention earthquakes. 8.5 bye bye!

yes, you got me there.... mr. smarty pants! those pesky earthquakes.... good one.

LA will never be Chicago, it has palm trees, mountains, great weather and style...


Well in that case stop the thread because there is no comparison. If we're going to debate like that though I'd say that:
Chicago will never be LA because Chicago has:
A waterfront location, 4 seasons, different trees and wait shit style too, damnit I was trying to be creative.

This thread should end.

Well, LA has a waterfront, and the one season it has ROCKS.... and yes we also have different trees, hmmmmmm... should it end?

[SIZE=6]This pic reminds me ofwhen i was in Cancun a few years ago!.net/LAtornTTT/hollywood-highland.JPG[/IMG]

This pic reminds me of Cancun!

http://lilithlotr.ejwsites.net/LAtornTTT/hollywood-highland.JPG

Chicago above the clouds:

http://premium1.uploadit.org/ptitben/PhotoSIGChicagoaerial.jpg

Chicago on the LSD :dance:
http://www.criminology.fsu.edu/crimtheory/images/97chicago2.jpg

Wow, that LSD pic is INSANE. :eek2:

^^what city is that???

Chicago.

^^oh wow...that's a really dense angle....wow awesome!.....:)



Oh, and some of those pics that Blink 182 posted on page 5 are of Miami's Modern buildings!!

I think in the future LA's urban core will continue to grow and strengthen, and their modern style of architecture will lead modern architecture in the US. Because of that, they will be on the map in terms of architecture.

They already are on the map in terms of architecture and more. Right now at least, LA is paving the future of architecture and is probably the most prominent architectural juggernaut in North America. We have the collection of the most important architects in the continent right now and theyre building things righ here! Architecture isnt measured by skyscrapers alone and thats what people from chicago or NY forget. just like crappy libraries and shopping centers, there are also architecturally trashy skyscrapers which chicago and NY have a lot of too. it doesnt have to be tall to be great architecture.

LA also had a huge past in architecture. Charles and Ray Eames, William Pereira, Rudolf Schindler, and Pierre Koenig are the American legends, and were based in LA and practiced in LA. And LA has two of the greatest schools of architecture in the world. SCIARC and USC. (USC is mine haha!!!) LA already is a Chicago or NYC. Its the third american greatness

They already are on the map in terms of architecture and more. Right now at least, LA is paving the future of architecture and is probably the most prominent architectural juggernaut in North America. We have the collection of the most important architects in the continent right now and theyre building things righ here! Architecture isnt measured by skyscrapers alone and thats what people from chicago or NY forget. just like crappy libraries and shopping centers, there are also architecturally trashy skyscrapers which chicago and NY have a lot of too. it doesnt have to be tall to be great architecture.

LA also had a huge past in architecture. Charles and Ray Eames, William Pereira, Rudolf Schindler, and Pierre Koenig are the American legends, and were based in LA and practiced in LA. And LA has two of the greatest schools of architecture in the world. SCIARC and USC. (USC is mine haha!!!) LA already is a Chicago or NYC. Its the third american greatness

I agree that LA has already made a strong foot print in the world of architecture, however I think the reason people speak more so of density and high-rises is because they are the main topic of these forums. :)

Do you understand my previous point though? If we're talking in term of high-rise architecture. I think they will use their modern influences and apply it to the denser core of the city.

Well, LA has a waterfront, and the one season it has ROCKS.... and yes we also have different trees, hmmmmmm... should it end?

I was being sarcastic :)

L.A. NEVER BE CHICAGO AND NYC. PERIOD. LISTEN TO SILVERLAKE WHAT HE TOLD YOU.

BECAUSE... Los Angeles have...
Palm tree
Modernism subway and light rail
more modern building than both
Mild Climate
Fine Beach
Mountain
Biggest freeway. WORST TRAFFIC EVER THAN CHICAGO AND NYC.
Nice 18 low rise apartment on West L.A. (Chicago have bad neigborhood on many low rise apartment but some part of NYC does)
Higher real estate price than Chicago but NYC is more highest
Earthquake, Mudslide and Smoggy (Chicago/NYC only have blizzard and Winterstorm but L.A. does not have)
More mall than both.
Nice Sunset and nice purple sunrise
Alot of modern, spanish (mediterrian), ranch and waterfront house. Some classic American house with brick so it have alot in Chicago and NYC.
*More Diversty and multiculture, Los Angeles is largest Hispanic and White population. Asian will make 3rd largest population in L.A. so black population declined alot like lost more than 100,000 from 1990s to 2000s in L.A. and L.A. County too. Black population was moved to Las Vegas, Atlanta and Phoenix then existing black neigborhood in L.A. will replace into multiculture. South Central L.A. does have alot neigborhood changed. Compton, Watts and even West Adams will be completely 90% Hispanic next 2010. (Chicago was largest black population than all race)
L.A. have lowest crime rate than Chicago but it higher than NYC.

THE END.

L.A. NEVER BE CHICAGO AND NYC. PERIOD. LISTEN TO SILVERLAKE WHAT HE TOLD YOU.

BECAUSE... Los Angeles have...
Palm tree
Modernism subway and light rail
more modern building than both
Mild Climate
Fine Beach
Mountain
Biggest freeway. WORST TRAFFIC EVER THAN CHICAGO AND NYC.
Nice 18 low rise apartment on West L.A. (Chicago have bad neigborhood on many low rise apartment but some part of NYC does)
Higher real estate price than Chicago but NYC is more highest
Earthquake, Mudslide and Smoggy (Chicago/NYC only have blizzard and Winterstorm but L.A. does not have)
More mall than both.
Nice Sunset and nice purple sunrise
Alot of modern, spanish (mediterrian), ranch and waterfront house. Some classic American house with brick so it have alot in Chicago and NYC.
*More Diversty and multiculture, Los Angeles is largest Hispanic and White population. Asian will make 3rd largest population in L.A. so black population declined alot like lost more than 100,000 from 1990s to 2000s in L.A. and L.A. County too. Black population was moved to Las Vegas, Atlanta and Phoenix then existing black neigborhood in L.A. will replace into multiculture. South Central L.A. does have alot neigborhood changed. Compton, Watts and even West Adams will be completely 90% Hispanic next 2010. (Chicago was largest black population than all race)
L.A. have lowest crime rate than Chicago but it higher than NYC.

THE END.


What does it matter if the black population in L.A. proper has declined?
The black population in Chicago proper has stablized, yet it is still growing in the suburbs of Chicago. By the way the hispanic population will be the largest group in the city of Chicago and the suburbs by 2010 if not sooner. We are also very diverse. I teach in a school where 60 languages are spoken by the student population.
Here is just a small glimpse:
http://www.chicagohs.org/global/gif/queen1107.jpg
http://www.chicagohs.org/global/gif/manwin1107.jpg
http://www.chicagocriticalmass.org/images/cincodemayo/big/P5060047.jpg
http://egov.cityofchicago.org/webportal/COCWebPortal/COC_EDITORIAL/assyrianparade1_1.jpg
http://bloorwestvillage.com/largepics/r13_s13_lg.jpg

http://www.abouttoursco.com/chicago%
http://www.urbanlifecenter.org/mosque_47th_ink.jpg
http://www.urbanlifecenter.org/devon_st.jpg
http://www.greekchicago.com/gallery/albums/greece-euro-cup-2004/27_G.jpg
http://www.greekchicago.com/gallery/albums/greece-euro-cup-2004/15_G.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/image/33053579.jpg
http://plab.ku.dk/tcbh/PICTURES/Luther2/Roll1/IMG33.JPG
http://www.clearwisdom.net/emh/article_images/2003-11-27-chicago1.jpg
http://www.locoburger.org/pics/200303/Parade18.jpg
You do have a brand new metra rail system, but it is very small compared to Chicago's extensive system.
http://metrarail.com/System_map/images/zone_map_10_04.gif
http://www.chicagoneighborhoods.cc/images/map_cta_train.gif
http://de.geocities.com/m_pix3/chicago/ohare2.jpg
http://muddyriver.typepad.com/hearth/3-12.jpg
http://de.geocities.com/m_pix3/chicago/chic-state-lake1.jpg


You are proud of having more smog and traffic problems than Chicago and NYC? That actually hurts the economy of a city. Personally a can't stand malls. Especially strip malls. As for crime, L.A. and Chicago are pretty close, thankfully things are getting better in Chicago, I don't know what the statistics are for L.A.

Chicago has bad traffic as well
http://www.anvari.org/db/photos/200212b/Traffic_Jam.jpg
http://hometown.aol.com/wolfynofcaddo/images/traffic.jpg
http://m37.cz/world/html-chicago/pictures-html-chicago/kennedy_way.jpg

As for the weather I do not like the cold or snow, but I'm used to it. We haven't seen a blizzard in Chicago since 1998-99. As for weather look at the following pics
Winter:
http://m37.cz/world/html-chicago/pictures-html-chicago/winter01.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/westpascorunners/SNOWLAKE.JPG

Summer:
http://www.treefrogweb.com/myc/pictures/chicago/1996/images/north2.jpg
http://www.illinoisbiz.biz/film/filmtrial/Images/chicago/0%7E039C_NorthAveBeachVolleyb.jpg
http://qmg.org/natalie/img/12/michigan_02.jpg
http://www.aviso.net/events/us_events/2001taste/01topview2.gif

http://www.greekchicago.com/gallery/albums/greece-euro-cup-2004/15_G.jpg

WOW!!! :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:

LOS ANGELES AND CHICAGO ARE MUCH DIFFERNET NOW. THAT IS FACT.

http://www.lapdonline.org/general_information/crime_statistics/10_year/10_year_violent.htm

LAPD ALWAYS BEST POLICE EVER. Crime is fall much than last decade.

It is true about Los Angeles have lowest crime rate than Chicago.

We got brand new subway and light rail so system is not smaller. We was growing in largest public transportation then it will be larger than Chicago around 2030. L.A. have subway and light rail through suburb but Chicago just in city and some suburb.

http://www.mta.net/riding_metro/metro_rail/images/rail_map.gif

Yeah, Black population declined in L.A. and L.A. county too so it loss about 100,000 from 1990s to 2000s. It kept loss about almost 40,000 from 2000 t0 2004. Black people from L.A. only moved to Las Vegas, Phoenix and Atlanta. It have been largest in 1950s to 1980s. In 1980s, It was around 25% black population in L.A. and about 18% in L.A. county. Proud of African American at 1984 Olympic in Los Angeles. Chicago have no olympic. Los Angeles still have keep African American history and experience life for about 70 years.

Smoggy and Worst traffic does not hurt our ecomony. Our ecomony is great and increasing more new business. NY and LA have alot of famous but Chicago only have some.

The end. Stop argue or Silverlake will own your life. :cheers:

Los Angeles can be compared to Miami only.

The CTA has a few extentions into near-by Chicago suburbs like Oak Park, and Skokie. There are also plans to expand the CTA by 2020
http://www.chicago-l.org/plans/2020plan.html
We also have metra rail which is inter-connected to the CTA. They serve the suburbs(7 or 8 counties) as well as the city. Then there the South Shore line which srvices Northwest Indiana as routes into the CTA "L" and the Metra.

http://web.presby.edu/~jtbell/transit/images/Chicago/SouthShore/Map.gif
I think both cities will have difficult times in getting fed/state money to help pay for mass transit expansions.

Im not so sure, the L.A. PD. is the "best" police dept. of alll American cities. It probably has the reputation of being the most racist (at least in the 1990's).Not that the CPD has a perfect reputation either.

Knock it off with the obnoxiously sized fonts please.

Thanks. :)

LOS ANGELES AND CHICAGO ARE MUCH DIFFERNET NOW. THAT IS FACT.

http://www.lapdonline.org/general_information/crime_statistics/10_year/10_year_violent.htm

LAPD ALWAYS BEST POLICE EVER. Crime is fall much than last decade.

It is true about Los Angeles have lowest crime rate than Chicago.

We got brand new subway and light rail so system is not smaller. We was growing in largest public transportation then it will be larger than Chicago around 2030. L.A. have subway and light rail through suburb but Chicago just in city and some suburb.

http://www.mta.net/riding_metro/metro_rail/images/rail_map.gif

Yeah, Black population declined in L.A. and L.A. county too so it loss about 100,000 from 1990s to 2000s. It kept loss about almost 40,000 from 2000 t0 2004. Black people from L.A. only moved to Las Vegas, Phoenix and Atlanta. It have been largest in 1950s to 1980s. In 1980s, It was around 25% black population in L.A. and about 18% in L.A. county. Proud of African American at 1984 Olympic in Los Angeles. Chicago have no olympic. Los Angeles still have keep African American history and experience life for about 70 years.

Smoggy and Worst traffic does not hurt our ecomony. Our ecomony is great and increasing more new business. NY and LA have alot of famous but Chicago only have some.

The end. Stop argue or Silverlake will own your life. :cheers:

Los Angeles can be compared to Miami only.

Blink, you are so clueless. I am so shocked reading your thread. Your delusional thinking is outrageous. Like other LA forumers, you use terms like "oh by 2030 we'll be greater than Chicago or NYC" or "we have the fastest growing this or that" or "LA is warmer and cooler than anywhere else" and it is silly because you guys never use real statistics. Your claim that LA is a more important business center goes against every statistic ever discussed on this and other threads long before you even joined this forum.

Let me remind you that Chicago has more Fortune 500, Fortune 1000, and mid-sized companies than any metro outside of New York, and that LA has fewer large companies than even San Francisco and Houston. Chicago is the world's headquarters of many more important companies, corporate-service companies (ie Tapestry--by far the nation's largest multi-ethnic advertising agency) organizations, and financial exchanges than LA could even dream of. LA's ranking for large companies is equivalent to Minneapolis. So that strikes down one of your idiotic statements.

Your other one about transportation is even more dumb. There is no sign LA is going to catch up with anybody in its rail system. If you open your eyes for once and stop typing messages while blindfolded, you'll see that Chicagogeorge posted Chicago's dual Metra and CTA system, which is enormous and extensive through hundreds of suburbs--and it is continuing to expand. So even as LA dreams of having an even basic transit system, Chicago is expanding its own at the same time. LA needs to focus on catching up to San Francisco or Boston before it even comes close to Chicago. So that's another useless and baseless statement by you that I refuted with a simple glance at the real stats.

Regarding your discussion about the black community. I don't know where you're going with that. Chicago's black community is very politically active and is the headquarters of many large black organizations involved with human rights. But if you think the lack of black people is a good quality (which, based on other posts you have made, seems to be true), suit yourself. I'm not impressed.

Blink, instead of being like Silverlake and making groundless, unfounded statements about LA's greatness, try taking a serious look at the stats. Then, perhaps you won't come up with mishaps and brainless statements such as these:

"Our ecomony is great and increasing more new business. NY and LA have alot of famous but Chicago only have some."

"LAPD ALWAYS BEST POLICE EVER."

Blink, you are so clueless. I am so shocked reading your thread. Your delusional thinking is outrageous. Like other LA forumers, you use terms like "oh by 2030 we'll be greater than Chicago or NYC" or "we have the fastest growing this or that" or "LA is warmer and cooler than anywhere else" and it is silly because you guys never use real statistics. Your claim that LA is a more important business center goes against every statistic ever discussed on this and other threads long before you even joined this forum.

Let me remind you that Chicago has more Fortune 500, Fortune 1000, and mid-sized companies than any metro outside of New York, and that LA has fewer large companies than even San Francisco and Houston. Chicago is the world's headquarters of many more important companies, corporate-service companies (ie Tapestry--by far the nation's largest multi-ethnic advertising agency) organizations, and financial exchanges than LA could even dream of. LA's ranking for large companies is equivalent to Minneapolis. So that strikes down one of your idiotic statements.

Your other one about transportation is even more dumb. There is no sign LA is going to catch up with anybody in its rail system. If you open your eyes for once and stop typing messages while blindfolded, you'll see that Chicagogeorge posted Chicago's dual Metra and CTA system, which is enormous and extensive through hundreds of suburbs--and it is continuing to expand. So even as LA dreams of having an even basic transit system, Chicago is expanding its own at the same time. LA needs to focus on catching up to San Francisco or Boston before it even comes close to Chicago. So that's another useless and baseless statement by you that I refuted with a simple glance at the real stats.

Regarding your discussion about the black community. I don't know where you're going with that. Chicago's black community is very politically active and is the headquarters of many large black organizations involved with human rights. But if you think the lack of black people is a good quality (which, based on other posts you have made, seems to be true), suit yourself. I'm not impressed.

Blink, instead of being like Silverlake and making groundless, unfounded statements about LA's greatness, try taking a serious look at the stats. Then, perhaps you won't come up with mishaps and brainless statements such as these:

"Our ecomony is great and increasing more new business. NY and LA have alot of famous but Chicago only have some."

"LAPD ALWAYS BEST POLICE EVER."

Boy, you really let him have it. Looks like you took a lot of time out of your busy schedule to make your point. Bravo! Urban Politician, you like other Chicago forumers, have a great ability to attack someone who obviously doesn't know what they are taking about, but yet have nothing really useful or important to say. You're quick to attack blink because he doesn't provide real statistics. Well, your post is full of blah blah blah and zero statistics. Even if you did post statistics, who cares? So your post has many similarities with Blinks, its kinda funny.

Besides, claiming that a city is more of an important business because it has more of this or that is just ludicrous. If quantity over quality is what drives a city's importance (per your claim) then by the mere nature that LA has a larger population than that of Chicago, make it a more important city? I mean get real for a second. If you believe in one then you have to universify it across the board.

Regardless of the statistics you post, Chicago will never be "better" than LA, just as LA will never be "better" than Chicago. It depends on what is important to you. And before you start attacking Minneapolis, you should know that Minneapolis is a great city and better than Chicago and LA for many points which might not be important to you and I.

So you need to stop with you idiotic statements attacking someone with poor English grammar. You are not better than anyone on this board, you are just a fourmer like everyone else.

^
UP is full of himself, and a lier. About a week ago he promised he would stop trolling LA threads and leave us alone. As you can see he hasn't stopped and is still up to his same tricks. :weirdo:

ps Just ignore him, perhaps he'll leave.

Boy, you really let him have it. Looks like you took a lot of time out of your busy schedule to make your point. Bravo! Urban Politician, you like other Chicago forumers, have a great ability to attack someone who obviously doesn't know what they are taking about, but yet have nothing really useful or important to say.


Actually, Urban Politician lives in DC so that makes him a DC forumer. I don't appreciate the blanket statement and I'm sure other Chicago forumers don't either.

I don't appreciate the combative tone of this thread.

:(

I don't appreciate the combative tone of this thread.

:(

Combative tones, generally originated by Chicago folk, are never appreciated by LA fourmers on this thread. I assure you the same isn't propagated on the Chicago threads.

We got brand new subway and light rail so system is not smaller.

First of all, I don't know where you are from, but here in America, "new" does not mean "bigger." It is an objective, indisputable fact that Los Angeles has a MUCH smaller light/subway/commuter rail system than Chicago. It's not even close really.

L.A. have subway and light rail through suburb but Chicago just in city and some suburb.


No one is going to believe a word you say from now on regarding Chicago because you just have proven you know nothing about the place with the above statement. The above statement is just, plain and simply, indisputably, objectively FALSE and it wouldn't hurt for you to learn about the "other side" before you start making comparisons.

You must have missed this picture of Metra, which is Chicago's extensive SUBURBAN commuter rail system. Heck, Metra goes all the way to Wisconsin and Indiana.

http://metrarail.com/System_map/images/zone_map_10_04.gif

Combative tones, generally originated by Chicago folk, are never appreciated by LA fourmers on this thread. I assure you the same isn't propagated on the Chicago threads.

I think the name of this thread says it all "Will L.A. ever become Chicago on NYC". It's sounds like an iferiority complex that some L.A. forumers have.

I have no problem with L.A. I thinks it's a wonderful place. But putting the blame on the Chicago forumers for starting my city is better than your city crap is stupid. Have you ever heard some of SilverLAke's coments (nothing personal SilverLake just using you as an example)? He is a huge L.A. booster! I've debated with him and others who make bold statements about how much better L.A. is over Chicago. I try to suppport my argument with facts. There are others out there as well.. We all support our hometowns. I visit your threads becuase I want to get to know L.A. and it's people better. http://images.theglobeandmail.com/archives/RTGAM/images/20030315/wprot0315_3/0315peaceflag.jpg

But putting the blame on the Chicago forumers for starting my city is better than your city crap is stupid.

"starting" :dunno:

"starting" :dunno:

^
Opps!
Grammer- Spelling!
I never proofread my damn comments!
And I am a freaking teacher!
Thank god for spell check!

Hey Everyone, I'm end of argue over L.A. and Chicago. That is not our fault but it was Silverlake's friend fault to posted this thread about argue over L.A. and Chicago. Please end of war but just give nicely equality over L.A. and Chicago.

I'm sure about Chicago have bigger metro system than L.A. Both are keep extension make more system to come throught out of county. L.A. is just growing bigger and bigger metro system but Chicago keep always beat us through.

*I will make fact about equality over Chicago and L.A.
Detroit have higher crime than Chicago and L.A.
Jackson, MS have less diversity than L.A. and Chicago
Miami is low on ground level between sea level than L.A. and Chicago
NYC have more bigger metro system than L.A. and Chicago
Boston is one of oldest city than L.A. and Chicago
Land size in Miami is much smaller than Chicago and L.A.
NYC have more black population than Chicago and L.A.

That all for you. I supposed Silverlake need stop argue over city through.

Yoyo, I'm from suburban of L.A. Good topic ever.

Please ignore UP's message but he is totally doing stupid on our forum. He will go away soon if you keep ignore him.

Thank you.

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UP is full of himself, and a lier. About a week ago he promised he would stop trolling LA threads and leave us alone. As you can see he hasn't stopped and is still up to his same tricks. :weirdo:

ps Just ignore him, perhaps he'll leave.

You're right. Sorry
But what do expect when you have a thread like this?

In defense of one of you guys attacking LA's business. Yes its true we dont have as many fortune whatever companies but that isnt necessarily important in determining importance in business/economics. LA has the busiest trade through its ports, IN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE. Busier than NYs and making a joke out of Chicagos. ANd I read that over 60% (or was it 80%?) of goods that reach chicago are from LA's ports. You can use that to claim LA is more important in economics and we can go back and forth to say whos better or whos more important. Its useless.

ANd I dont have ANY inferiority complex. But when ignorant people say stupid things I will respond. Thats all! :)

In defense of one of you guys attacking LA's business. Yes its true we dont have as many fortune whatever companies but that isnt necessarily important in determining importance in business/economics. LA has the busiest trade through its ports, IN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE. Busier than NYs and making a joke out of Chicagos. ANd I read that over 60% (or was it 80%?) of goods that reach chicago are from LA's ports. You can use that to claim LA is more important in economics and we can go back and forth to say whos better or whos more important. Its useless.

ANd I dont have ANY inferiority complex. But when ignorant people say stupid things I will respond. Thats all! :)

I love it! :rock: :rock: :rock: :rock:

In defense of one of you guys attacking LA's business. Yes its true we dont have as many fortune whatever companies but that isnt necessarily important in determining importance in business/economics.
That is important. Having fortune 500 companies proves that large companies want to be headquartered in your city because your city is on a national or international stage in terms of the that specifc market. Economically, because that city is on a different level than cities without forrtune 500 companies [in terms of THAT market]

LA has the busiest trade through its ports, IN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE. Busier than NYs and making a joke out of Chicagos. ANd I read that over 60% (or was it 80%?) of goods that reach chicago are from LA's ports. You can use that to claim LA is more important in economics and we can go back and forth to say whos better or whos more important. Its useless.

Although strong ports is of course beneficial to any city, it does not hold enough power to sway a point when comparing the economies of two cities, thats just common sense.

Of course I don't have a inferiority complex either, I live in Milwaukee for God's sake :), I'm just stating common sense and valid points, because I too hate it when people don't know what they're talking about.

yeah but LA also has plenty of fortune 500 companies just less than chicago. So combined with other considerations like the ports and the size of its consumer base, LA isnt lacking in economic might either.

2003 GDP for Greater L.A. 17.5 million people 410 Billion
2003 GDP for Greater Chicago 9.5 million people 366 Billion
Both areas are economic powerhouses, and are vital to the U.S. economy.
DONE!

As much as we're arguing here, nobody will every reach the overall might of NYC. We're like little kids nipping at the kneecaps of the giant. NYC exploded at a time of the US's biggest period of prominence and growth. During that period, NYC built a near-impenetrable wall of captialism that made it clear that it will remain the top dog. To topple that wall would involve one hell of a major world change, even moreso than the rise of Asia. NYC's financial institutions pretty much guarantee that jeapordy. Remember that Chicago was in LA's position once, it even gained more people than NYC from 1890 to 1900.

2003 GDP for Greater L.A. 17.5 million people 410 Billion
2003 GDP for Greater Chicago 9.5 million people 366 Billion
Both areas are economic powerhouses, and are vital to the U.S. economy.
DONE!

LA's CSMA (17 million people) GDP is $602 billion for the year 2000. So it cannot be $410 billion for 2003.

its true that Chicago was in LAs position once. I think Chicago is a mature city and LA will become economically more sophisticated like Chicago relative to NYC but NYC will always be top dog because it started out first and will always lead because of the head start.

^
Where did you get this number?
That would make it greater than NYC?
Here is my source:
http://www.gpec.org/infocenter/topics/economy/gmp.html

LA's CSMA (17 million people) GDP is $602 billion for the year 2000. So it cannot be $410 billion for 2003.

its true that Chicago was in LAs position once. I think Chicago is a mature city and LA will become economically more sophisticated like Chicago relative to NYC but NYC will always be top dog because it started out first and will always lead because of the head start.

Who cares about banking and finance? that means almost nothing in my life.

In terms of trends fashion art culture, LA equals NY and will pass it soon.

Yeah I wanna wear funky clothes but be ass broke! Not able to find a job!
:weird:

what are you talking about. Without trade, finance, law, and all those "non-fashion" things, LA wouldnt even be able to finance fashion in the first place. Are you crazy?

^
Where did you get this number?
That would make it greater than NYC?
Here is my source:
http://www.gpec.org/infocenter/topics/economy/gmp.html

Your source only accounts for PSMA (or is it PMSA?). That is not the whole metro LA or metro NYC but DOES count the whole of metro Chicago (CMSA)

I got mine at the LAEDC. This accounts for all 17 million people in LA (CMSA). NYCs CMSA is even higher than this because its a bigger metro area :)

http://www.laedc.org/data/Press/PR41.shtml

No offense, LA Universe--but considering your source: LA Economic Development Corporation--I am sensing a bit of bias. Sorry, but I have more faith in the non-biased GMEC.

Gotta go with Chicagogeorge on this one

Urbanpolitician, Im not offended. But do you honestly believe NYC's CSMA is that close to Chicago's CMSA then considering NYC's population is more than twice Chicago's? If so, then you can believe Chicaggeorge's source as representative of CMSA's....if you want.

Its very simple. Chicagogeorge's source only measures GDP by PMSA's. LA's PMSA has a populatoin of just under 10 million and therefore, its GDP is about equal to Chicago's in THAT list.

To prove what i said look at the list VERY closely again. See orange county at the bottom? It ranked orange county separately so obviously the $410 billion didnt take all of LA CMSA into consideration.

and I dont think LAEDC is biased. LAEDC is an economic entity made by the county to keep track of the county's economy for the government.

I think that my source is PMSA not CMSA

Los Angeles is obviously a huge city. Bigger than Chicago or New York at least in terms of land area. But we don't have nearly the amount of density or "sites to see" as the others do. I realize that our skyline is all spread out. But do you think we will ever start building, making the skyline bigger and better, and having a more lively downtown? Seems like we haven't had any new projects or plans for years now.
Yes, but not anytime soon though.

Urbanpolitician, Im not offended. But do you honestly believe NYC's CSMA is that close to Chicago's CMSA then considering NYC's population is more than twice Chicago's? If so, then you can believe Chicaggeorge's source as representative of CMSA's....if you want.

Its very simple. Chicagogeorge's source only measures GDP by PMSA's. LA's PMSA has a populatoin of just under 10 million and therefore, its GDP is about equal to Chicago's in THAT list.

To prove what i said look at the list VERY closely again. See orange county at the bottom? It ranked orange county separately so obviously the $410 billion didnt take all of LA CMSA into consideration.

and I dont think LAEDC is biased. LAEDC is an economic entity made by the county to keep track of the county's economy for the government.

^I see. So why is Chicago's CSMA not significantly bigger than its PSMA? I mean, why not add Milwaukee, Michigan City, etc to Chicago

I dont know. Good Question. The census determins what to count in CMSA and what to count in PMSA based on commuting pattern and economic activity. I think.

I have another question too. Why rank PMSA's at all? And why use them in economics? Why not just use CMSA and forget PMSA? Is it so we can compare NY with LA with Chicago or what?

LA's CSMA (17 million people) GDP is $602 billion for the year 2000. So it cannot be $410 billion for 2003.

its true that Chicago was in LAs position once. I think Chicago is a mature city and LA will become economically more sophisticated like Chicago relative to NYC but NYC will always be top dog because it started out first and will always lead because of the head start.

Not always true, look at cities like Detroit.

Detroit wasnt as economically diverse or big as NY, LA, and Chicago. It was focused on the auto industry and manufacturing mainly. NY, LA, and Chicago are very diverse economies. When LA lost the Aerospace industry, it had finance, media, entertainment, healthcare, international trade, legal, and a strong small business sector. When Chicago lost manufacturing, it had the finance, advertising, international trade, real estate, etc. NYC had finance, research, legal, media, entertainment, trade, and finance never died out. Its a necessity.

So Detroit started out strong, but a city has to have many and strong industries to take advantage of the early start too. Unfortunately auto industry in America wasn't the most successful through that last few decades as foreigners got more competitive, and manufacturing vanished in the US for Mexico and Asia. Thats what i meant to say.

Detroit wasnt as economically diverse or big as NY, LA, and Chicago. It was focused on the auto industry and manufacturing mainly. NY, LA, and Chicago are very diverse economies. When LA lost the Aerospace industry, it had finance, media, entertainment, healthcare, international trade, legal, and a strong small business sector. When Chicago lost manufacturing, it had the finance, advertising, international trade, real estate, etc. NYC had finance, research, legal, media, entertainment, trade, and finance never died out. Its a necessity.

So Detroit started out strong, but a city has to have many and strong industries to take advantage of the early start too. Unfortunately auto industry in America wasn't the most successful through that last few decades as foreigners got more competitive, and manufacturing vanished in the US for Mexico and Asia. Thats what i meant to say.

Chicago's economy although more diversified than Detroits (it would be hard not to) was still considered a rust-belt city that had hard times after the industrial era.

I'm trying to point out, although not very well I apologize I didn't get a lot of sleep last night, that you can't compare the period of time when Chicago was starting out, to the period of time LA was starting out. Chicago became Chicago because of the period it was created in, and LA the same.

It is not simply based on time. Today for LA to get new business, its going to have to take them away from other major cities. LA has more to compete with today than Chicago did when it was growing into a powerhouse. Do you understand my point?

I agree Eastsider. But I am an optimist and believe that change will bring opportunity and lots of it. While I still agree that it will still generally be tougher for LA becase for instance Chicago got the Merc/exchanges that enabled it to become financial powerhouse, Its still my true belief, and not because Im biased because Im not, that over the next century, the world will change drastically particularly with Asia's relationship to the world. I truly believe Asia will become so ecnomically powerful that LA and EU will grow closer out of necessity, thats how dramatic I forsee things changing. And it will offer LA opportunity to find a nich specialty of its own...maybe not stocks, maybe not venture capital, but still, in some way tied to global commerce.

Anyways I think I need to sleep too!

Chicago's economy although more diversified than Detroits (it would be hard not to) was still considered a rust-belt city that had hard times after the industrial era.



Chicago has the most diverse economy in the United States.

Chicago has the most diverse economy in the United States.

I wasn't speaking of today, but focusing directly on the fall of Industry directly after the Idustrial area. You disagree?

How pathetic! LA's skyline does not look big at all! It looks puny, which is what it is. Don't even waste our time..

I think LA has the best skyline, and the buildings do look bigger because they are surrounded by smaller buildings. I was down there yesterday and downtown looked great. You're from D.C it looks like, so what do you know about LA anyway.

I dont think LA has teh best skyline but I think it has a lot of other bests.

I dont think LA has teh best skyline but I think it has a lot of other bests.

I guess you're right, but I still think it is a cool skyline.

I guess you're right, but I still think it is a cool skyline.

Yeah, I agree. I love LA Skyline!!!

To Bilink182. What do you mean, that Los Angeles always be second American largest city. Never think that it could be number one?

To Bilink182. What do you mean, that Los Angeles always be second American largest city. Never think that it could be number one?

??? I'm hearing impaired so most deaf people could not type in good grammar. What is wrong with my signature?

I dont think LA has teh best skyline but I think it has a lot of other bests.

^I wrote that statement a long time ago. I am trying to quit the trolling habit :)

??? I'm hearing impaired so most deaf people could not type in good grammar. What is wrong with my signature?

He thinks it has the potential to overtake New York as the largest metro in the US. So it won't always be the second largest metro.

He thinks it has the potential to overtake New York as the largest metro in the US. So it won't always be the second largest metro.

Alright, I agree with you and him too.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/sprawl/main2.htm

Greater LA can be overtake NYC in around 2010-2025. It does overtake Tokyo too?

O.k I got it now. L.A rocks!

:runaway:

dammit Stark I'm gonna come e-slap you for making me check this..

Here we go again!!!!!!

:runaway:

You jump started this 2-year old embarassing thread just to say that!?

Here we go again!!!!!!

I hope not. Arguing isn't going to get us anywhere. One last time, LA will NOT become another Chicago or NYC nor does it want to! I think what the original starter of this thread was trying to imply was if LA will ever be urban and dense and have that "city" feel like Chicago and NYC. Hopefully YES, but that doesn't mean it has to become either of those two cities.

Alright, I agree with you and him too.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/sprawl/main2.htm

Greater LA can be overtake NYC in around 2010-2025. It does overtake Tokyo too?

Thanx for this article! Everyone interested in density and dispelling myth should read this one.

About LA "becoming" Chicago or NYC???? I sure hope not. Their are enough of those eastern type cities, Boston, Phili, Baltimore, San Fran, Detroit(sorta)........
LA IS dense and only getting denser. I don't wish more density on the city without proper infrastructure particularly transportation or else it is going to be even harder to get around than it is now. I just want people to get out of their cars more so that the city could be more livable.

Thanx for this article! Everyone interested in density and dispelling myth should read this one.

About LA "becoming" Chicago or NYC???? I sure hope not. Their are enough of those eastern type cities, Boston, Phili, Baltimore, San Fran, Detroit(sorta)........
LA IS dense and only getting denser. I don't wish more density on the city without proper infrastructure particularly transportation or else it is going to be even harder to get around than it is now. I just want people to get out of their cars more so that the city could be more livable.

Once, You complained about transportstion issue in LA so it's not important for us to figuring out unless LA already have metrobus, limited LRT/BRT and limited subway. You just need blame on Bush and Arnold about this issue, they always changed their planning to make looks stupid like new highway. San Fernando Valley should expanding one more highway to make ring. You need get over it about transportation so LA is still developing more LRT and subway in any years.

Good example:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v711/LinkinPark76/san-gabriel-san-fernando.gif

It will never come close to Chicago or New York.

LA has it's own identity. It does not need to be Chicago or New York! It's Los Angeles.

It will never come close to Chicago or New York.

You means architecture and classic urban so thanks for answering like that. We want LA to be modern urban and creative architecture.

You means architecture and classic urban so thanks for answering like that. We want LA to be modern urban and creative architecture.


Nicely said LA Lover!!!!!!

It will never come close to Chicago or New York.
And I don't want it to be either. Unlike those cities, I like natural setting which L.A. has, it goes well with urbanity in my opinion.

I hope not. Arguing isn't going to get us anywhere. One last time, LA will NOT become another Chicago or NYC nor does it want to! I think what the original starter of this thread was trying to imply was if LA will ever be urban and dense and have that "city" feel like Chicago and NYC. Hopefully YES, but that doesn't mean it has to become either of those two cities.
I agree.

:ancient:

:ancient:
And whats stupid is the person who brought this thread back on the last page did not say a word when responding.

And whats stupid is the person who brought this thread back did not say a word when responding.

Don't insult to our mustang lovers (like RP1). :sleepy:

It's probably a more insidious version of trolling. Trying to rile up the more trolls into posting something idiotic.

Anyway, LA is one of the fastest growing cities. California just hit the 37 million mark in population reported yesterday. LA's got plentiful land that's being rebuilt that could fit 10 times as many people. That can't be said of other cities.
The future is pretty much ours. :banana:

Don't insult to our mustang lovers (like RP1). :sleepy:
I wasn't talking about RP1, read post #168 on the last page and you'll see who im talking about.

I wasn't talking about RP1, read post #168 on the last page and you'll see who im talking about.

oop, my bad. I'm apologize for pissed you off but I agree that Robert Stark is just crazy.

oop, my bad. I'm apologize for pissed you off but I agree that Robert Stark is just crazy.
No problem. Im not sure what his intention was for bringing back this stupid thread, but all this thread is going to do raise the trolls from their graves. This thread is 2 years old!

Don't insult to our mustang lovers (like RP1). :sleepy:

http://www.stangnet.com/cobrar/gallery/cobrawall1.jpg

:drool:

I don't think New York is trying to be Chicago or Los Angeles in any stretch is trying to be Chicago either. But I do know of many New Yorkers who would love to put a swimming pool in their backyards and many Angelenos who would love to have more subways. I just never understand how Chicago fits into any of this, though I really like the city.

I just never understand how Chicago fits into any of this, though I really like the city.

I think what BigDan had in mind when he created this thread almost 2 years ago, was that if Los Angeles one day will have an urban center that will seem more like NYC or Chicago, since their urban centers are similar in many ways (but also different as well). How Chicago fits into this question is mainly the same reason why BigDan was using NYC in his comparison. In other words, a livable-self sustaining central business district, that people not only work in, but also take up residence, a profound skyline, heavy pedestrian traffic, and a mass transit system that is geared for this type of centralized city design.

I think what BigDan had in mind when he created this thread almost 2 years ago, was that if Los Angeles one day will have an urban center that will seem more like NYC or Chicago, since their urban centers are similar in many ways (but also different as well). How Chicago fits into this question is mainly the same reason why BigDan was using NYC in his comparison. In other words, a livable-self sustaining central business district, that people not only work in, but also take up residence, a profound skyline, heavy pedestrian traffic, and a mass transit system that is geared for this type of centralized city design.

So the answer is probably "no" it will never happen. Although, LA will have a massive transit system(and does already), it will never have just one central business district(not in its DNA) where people work and live instead their will be several e.g., Century City, Santa Monica, Downtown, Beverlywoodshire and lastly it won't have one "profound" skyline since its very essence is to be a bit disparate. Better yet it will have several! It's difficult to compare LA (a newer decentralized city) to NYC or Chicago (much older centralized pre-automobile era) cities. And lastly it probably wouldn't be that smart to build beautiful towering 1000+ft tall skyscrapers on an active faultline.

...And lastly it probably wouldn't be that smart to build beautiful towering 1000+ft tall skyscrapers on an active faultline.

why not? it's been done in other high seismic zones around the world. If the technology exists, and it does... it CAN be done. and hopefully, it will.

why not? it's been done in other high seismic zones around the world. If the technology exists, and it does... it CAN be done. and hopefully, it will.

I would like to know where it has been done en masse.

This thread is basically obnoxious. Different cities have different characters. No amount of growth will turn LA into NY. And no amount of shrinkage will turn it into Chicago. Each city will always have their own distinctive characer. The question is better put, "As Los Angeles grows, what could it learn from Chicago and NY to make it a better place to live?"

I can't believe this thread is still in existence. The age-old Chicago v. LA controversy never ends. I don't understand all the hate.

"Will LA ever become a CHI or NY?"

I hope not. I love the fact that LA offers a completely different urban experience than New York and Chicago. I certainly want the best for the development of LA's downtown and its skyline, but I don't want to see it become Chicago or New York. LA is such a unique and interesting city. I'd hate to see it lose that uniqueness. When I'm not in New York or Chicago, I want to be able to come to LA and feel a different vibe. I'm just rambling, but that's the way I feel...

"Will LA ever become a CHI or NY?"

No, CHI and NY are CHI and NY. LA is LA.

i just don't think L.A. wants to become a Chicago or NY. I'd enjoy seeing it become a little more urban, but that's it. L.A. works well as a laid back town. N.Y. is very fast paced. Chicago is a nice healthy mixture of both.

These three cities offer three different lifestyles that three different kinds of people flock to. If one becomes too much like the other, ultimately, the country as a whole will be less interesting.

I can't believe this thread is still in existence. The age-old Chicago v. LA controversy never ends. I don't understand all the hate.

"Will LA ever become a CHI or NY?"

I hope not. I love the fact that LA offers a completely different urban experience than New York and Chicago. I certainly want the best for the development of LA's downtown and its skyline, but I don't want to see it become Chicago or New York. LA is such a unique and interesting city. I'd hate to see it lose that uniqueness. When I'm not in New York or Chicago, I want to be able to come to LA and feel a different vibe. I'm just rambling, but that's the way I feel...

Agreed (Hydro), but who the hell would bring this type opf thread back again. Oh yea let me guess (Rob Stark) with his none word post!!!!!
Idiot!

Agreed (Hydro), but who the hell would bring this type opf thread back again. Oh yea let me guess (Rob Stark) with his none word post!!!!!
Idiot!
And he had to choose this thread. he hardly posts to begin with!

Los Angeles is much modern city than NYC and Chicago. NYC and Chicago is nothing to near fine beach in ocean area because cold temperature will come in around September until May.

Los Angeles was considered brother of Tokyo because both are much modern, near to fine beach, modern subway, modern light rail, skyscraper was in group of Beverly Hills, Long Beach, Los Angeles, Glendale, Santa Monica, West Los Angeles, San Ferando Valley and South Bay.

Um lets see ..... NO.....I live in Chicago and I live about 5 blocks from the beach.....I was there 3 or 4 times last april, 4 or 5 times in May, and about 7 or 8 times in Sept when temps where in the 80's or upper 70's, was even there in october twice w/ temps in the lowere mid 70's


Chicago has miles and miles of unbroken beach.....so please don't belch this non-truth

I dont think Vans was saying that we don't have beaches, but that ours just aren't as cool, and I have to agree with him. LA beaches wipe the floor with NYC and Chicago. We've got plenty of them running for miles along beautiful parkland, but we can only take advantage of them, maybe 5 months or so? They just sit there for the rest of the year, empty and cold. And when we do get a chance to use them, they're always polluted with some new bacteria bullshit. LA beaches are annual good times.

Can we just either drop this thread or shut it down???!!!We all interpret this topic differently. We can say whatever we want, but we're not going to change each others' opinions.

Um lets see ..... NO.....I live in Chicago and I live about 5 blocks from the beach.....I was there 3 or 4 times last april, 4 or 5 times in May, and about 7 or 8 times in Sept when temps where in the 80's or upper 70's, was even there in october twice w/ temps in the lowere mid 70's


Chicago has miles and miles of unbroken beach.....so please don't belch this non-truth

That's bullshit, I means that Chicago don't have real beaches (coastal) like LA, Miami, Tampa and many cities that closer to coastal. NYC is probably have real beaches cuz NYC is closer to coastal. I hate to swim in great lake, nothing to be good for surfers.

I dont think Vans was saying that we don't have beaches, but that ours just aren't as cool, and I have to agree with him. LA beaches wipe the floor with NYC and Chicago. We've got plenty of them running for miles along beautiful parkland, but we can only take advantage of them, maybe 5 months or so? And when we do, it's always polluted with some new bacteria bullshit. They just sit there for the rest of the year, empty and cold. And when we do get a chance to use them, they're always polluted with some new bacteria bullshit. LA beaches are annual good times.

Yeah, I do know that Chicago have beaches, just along to Great Lake.

that water is crazy cold as well...

that water is crazy cold as well...

what do you mean? its invigorating!!!!!! :) lol well its pretty nice in the summer though

I dont think Vans was saying that we don't have beaches, but that ours just aren't as cool, and I have to agree with him. LA beaches wipe the floor with NYC and Chicago. We've got plenty of them running for miles along beautiful parkland, but we can only take advantage of them, maybe 5 months or so? They just sit there for the rest of the year, empty and cold. And when we do get a chance to use them, they're always polluted with some new bacteria bullshit. LA beaches are annual good times.

Although I love Chicago's lakefront beaches, and grew up going to them, I have to agree with you. L.A.'s beaches are more 'glamorous' and 'cool'. Perhaps this has a lot to do with the fact that many people go to L.A. for the beaches. Also, the pacific ocean bordering southern california creates a more exotic beach effect. It's a part of the pyschology of that town, much moreso than NYC or Chicago.

That being said, make no mistake: Chicago has some quality beaches.

Although I love Chicago's lakefront beaches, and grew up going to them, I have to agree with you. L.A.'s beaches are more 'glamorous' and 'cool'. Perhaps this has a lot to do with the fact that many people go to L.A. for the beaches. Also, the pacific ocean bordering southern california creates a more exotic beach effect. It's a part of the pyschology of that town, much moreso than NYC or Chicago.

That being said, make no mistake: Chicago has some quality beaches.

Likewise. I live in the eastern edge of Rogers Park with the beach literally 50 feet away. I've been going since I can remember and I love it. Chicago isn't about beaches, there's so much more to love, so for me it's just an added bonus.

umm.. I'm glad you like your beaches in Chicago.
But it's not "psychology" why LA's beaches are considered more "cool" or "glamorous."
They are better for doing beach stuff at.. Like surfing.
They're different than Miami beaches or any other east coast or lakefront beaches.
They have real waves. Consistently. They are not simply there for wading. They also have great beach weather: warm/hot and dry.

Hawaii has cooler beaches. Bigger waves, better scenery.. but then again Waikiki bought its sand from LA.

I'm just saying.. Chicago dudes always come in here ragging on LA's downtown urban core. I admit, ours does not begin to compare to Chicago's.

Likewise, Chicago's beaches DO NOT BEGIN TO COMPARE WITH LA's.

Or maybe you're going to argue that chicago's beaches are becoming "more like" LA's... Maybe you guys should have thought about BEACHES when you built your city on a freezing lake. Haha, Chicago, they just don't get it.. I'm so glad us western cities really understand what makes a good city. Haha we are so smart.. they are cold.. haha I love ragging on other cities..

oh wait, I don't give a shit. BECAUSE IT'S NICE HERE and I LIKE MY LIFE

I'm glad you enjoy your beaches, but if you really enjoyed going to the beach, you'd move here. Just like if I really liked reading, I'd move to Chicago.

man I wish this thread would die. (okay no one else allowed to post more, only me this one last time)

sorry that was for UrbanSophist, not RP1..

How did this topic get to be about beaches? I've never been to Chicago or LA, but I've been to Great Lake beaches before and they don't even begin to compete with ocean beaches. I felt like I was in a gigantic bath tub.

LA's beaches are better than NY's which are better than Chicago's. I can't see how there's any argument.

^They are also better becuz today it's Feb 7th and it's 80 degrees along the beach. People are running, surfing, skating, playing volley ball, sunning, walking. In the frozen midwest, people are probably hard pressed to even want to be outside doing anything. It is just a different lifestyle out here. California lifestyle=outdoor lifestyle living loving in the Sun. LA is a city of light.

I don't think anyone argued that Chicago has better beaches than LA, guys!

no one thinks of chicago when they think of beaches. and i hope for everyones sake that LA stays LA, CHI stays CHI and NYC stays NYC. people move to these cities because they like them better then any other. so comparing them to any other is pointless, chicago people live in chicago because there chicago people. or there unemployed LA people that cant find a job and have family in chicago...

I don't think anyone argued that Chicago has better beaches than LA, guys!

They don't but RP1 is just agree with my point.

Well I'm not too surprised to find a lack of love for LA on a skyscraper and urbanism website. LA is car-dominated, with very little pedestrian traffic for a city or metro it's size. But guess what? 95% of Americans don't give a shit about public transit networks or extensive center-city pedestrian-friendly zones. If they did, the Sunbelt wouldn't be booming like it is.

If you want great clubs, restaurants, bars, and lounges, LA's got them. It's the glamour capital of the world for God's sake (rivalled only by NY and perhaps London). If you want to party or eat well, you certainly can. If you want to hit up some of the tens of thousands of America's most beautiful girls relocating there to "make it" in show business, you can.

If you want to check out a Koreatown that stretches for 3 miles, or a "Chinatown" that has about half a million residents (the San Gabriel Valley), or a stretch of Latin neighborhoods larger than municipal Chicago... you can. Ditto for the nation's largest Japanese, Armenian, Thai, Iranian, Vietnamese, Filipino, Ethiopean etc neighborhoods.

Or using myself as an example when I lived there, if you want to drive 10 minutes to a sunny palm tree lined Santa Monica beach in January, you can. As can you drive 1 1/2 hours to mountains with bigger lusher pine trees and more snow than just about anywhere in the Northeast.

On the other hand, if you like to get off by looking at subway or heavy rail maps, or skylines with thousands of highrises, LA isn't the place for you. If you don't like to drive, it's not the place for you. But as far as I'm concerned, it kicks ass!

right on!

Great post Brooklynprospect. L.A. may not have a massive skyline and thousands of highrises like Chicago or New York, but I accept and like L.A. the way it is.

Chicago and New York=Skyscrapers

Los Angeles= Everything Else and More

I Love L.A

On the other hand, if you like to get off by looking at subway or heavy rail maps, or skylines with thousands of highrises, LA isn't the place for you. If you don't like to drive, it's not the place for you.

What is exciting is that the urban essentials that LA lacks, are being built or are planned to be built sometime in the near future. So the potential of LA is probably the most exciting part of living here.

Chicago and New York=Skyscrapers

Los Angeles= Everything Else and More

I Love L.A
Just to be fair here you and I both know Chicago and especially New York are WAY WAY more than just skyscrapers. New York and Chicago did not become world class cities for their skyscrapers.

L.A is definately filling in the gaps of what it lacked and it has a very bright and prosperous future ahead :-)

On the other hand, if you like to get off by looking at subway or heavy rail maps, or skylines with thousands of highrises, LA isn't the place for you. If you don't like to drive, it's not the place for you.

What is exciting is that the urban essentials that LA lacks, are being built or are planned to be built sometime in the near future. So the potential of LA is probably the most exciting part of living here.

Yes,Chicago and New York are more than just Skyscrapers,but what I meant is that Los Angeles just offers a much more variety of things to see and do compared to either Chicago or New York...

I just don't see Chicago or New York as a fun city to be in,but more of just Business Cities.
Just to be fair here you and I both know Chicago and especially New York are WAY WAY more than just skyscrapers. New York and Chicago did not become world class cities for their skyscrapers.

Yes,Chicago and New York are more than just Skyscrapers,but what I meant is that Los Angeles just offers a much more variety of things to see and do compared to either Chicago or New York...

I just don't see Chicago or New York as a fun city to be in,but more of just Business Cities.

Oh Caliguy you may have just inspired the wrath of the Chicagoans..

Here come the lists of things you can do in Chicago!!!

(Though I agree with you.. LA has a much greater diversity of experiences)

[QUOTE=dweebo2220]Oh Caliguy you may have just inspired the wrath of the Chicagoans..

Here come the lists of things you can do in Chicago!!!


Yea I have to agree Chicago is not that bad, they have The Jerry Springer show. Woohoo!

Yes,Chicago and New York are more than just Skyscrapers,but what I meant is that Los Angeles just offers a much more variety of things to see and do compared to either Chicago or New York...

I just don't see Chicago or New York as a fun city to be in,but more of just Business Cities.

Yeah, that's true. :lol:

Yes,Chicago and New York are more than just Skyscrapers,but what I meant is that Los Angeles just offers a much more variety of things to see and do compared to either Chicago or New York...

I just don't see Chicago or New York as a fun city to be in,but more of just Business Cities.

Right, right. And I assume you've been to both Chicago and New York. You've done all there is to do, seen all there is to see? Wait...what am I doing? How can I even question the great Caliguy2005. I mean, being from a city where all we know is business, business, business, who am I to question your undenyable knowledge?

Honestly, I don't want any LAvsCHI drama going on here, but if this guy wants to act like Mr. Know-it-all then throw out a blanket statement like that, well I'll be damned if a Chicagoan or New Yorker doesn't reply.

You guys wonder why people start trouble in the LA forum, well it's comments like that from people like Caliguy2005. LA forumers don't jump on me, I'm not trying to start any shit, but you've got to see where I'm coming from here. Just read that, it's got trouble written all over it.

But like I said, what do I know, I should go file a tax return or something since up here we're all about business.

^^ I see you changed your signature...hahaha...nice! But I disagree-there's LOTS to do in Chicago in NYC.

Where did Quickdraw post that, RP1? :lol:

Where did Quickdraw post that, RP1? :lol:

That's what I was wondering lol...hilarious.

Where did Quickdraw post that, RP1? :lol:

It was a private message written by him replying to my last sig, which also featured him.

Wow, signature are disabled to show on public, check my signature about Quickdraw. :)

Wow, signature are disabled to show on public, check my signature about Quickdraw. :)

lol! Nice Vans, you show him how us Mustang lovers roll! :rock:

sorry that was for UrbanSophist, not RP1..

Hey, I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. I wasn't in any way trying to put down L.A. Actually, I thought I was promoting it.

I didn't say that Chicago has better beaches or that it is even worthy to sit at the same table of beach greatness. That would be silly. ;) I just said that Chicago beaches aren't crappy.

I wonder what went down on this forum between L.A. people and Chicago people before I joined. This is such a touchy subject for some reason. As a Chicago forumer, I often find myself apprehensive to even mention Chicago in any way, out of fear of some sort of brawl will occur.

Hey, I think you misunderstood what I was trying to say. I wasn't in any way trying to put down L.A. Actually, I thought I was promoting it.

I didn't say that Chicago has better beaches or that it is even worthy to sit at the same table of beach greatness. That would be silly. ;) I just said that Chicago beaches aren't crappy.

I wonder what went down on this forum between L.A. people and Chicago people before I joined. This is such a touchy subject for some reason. As a Chicago forumer, I often find myself apprehensive to even mention Chicago in any way, out of fear of some sort of brawl will occur.

What went down, you ask? It's really quite simple. It's called SILVERLAKE.

lol! Nice Vans, you show him how us Mustang lovers roll! :rock:

YAY!!!
Quickdraw's car :hilarious
http://webpages.marshall.edu/~penning3/pictures/YUGO.JPG

VansTripp's car
http://www.bcsupershifter.com/media/2004/Mustang%20Duel.jpg

RP1's car
http://www.graphic-express.com/images/ford_n82.jpg

klamedia's car :lol:
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Lane/1488/7071.jpg

Ferneynism's car
http://admin.webmakerx.net/images/Picture/2004/August/vp-tr1.jpg

but... he will ride like that in 2010.
http://www.lightrailnow.org/images/la-lrt-goldline-trn-s-pasadena-stn-testing.jpg

YAY!!!
Quickdraw's car :hilarious
http://webpages.marshall.edu/~penning3/pictures/YUGO.JPG

VansTripp's car
http://www.bcsupershifter.com/media/2004/Mustang%20Duel.jpg

RP1's car
http://www.graphic-express.com/images/ford_n82.jpg

klamedia's car :lol:
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Lane/1488/7071.jpg

Yeah baby! Maybe we should give Quickdraw a run down Santa Monica BLVD, then we'll see who's talking! :bash:

What went down, you ask? It's really quite simple. It's called SILVERLAKE.

I thought it was clear there would be no more personal attacks between LA & Chi forumers?

I know you did not start any shit, let's get that clear. The only thing is your comment about (Silver) was really unnecessary. I'm not defending (Silver), just avoiding negativity between both cities, and resulting in getting banned.

By the way the past is the past, let's start with a clean slate. You know what I mean!

Ferneynism's car
http://admin.webmakerx.net/images/Picture/2004/August/vp-tr1.jpg

but... he will ride like that in 2010.
http://www.lightrailnow.org/images/la-lrt-goldline-trn-s-pasadena-stn-testing.jpg

Nice one, LA Lover!!!!

Yeah baby! Maybe we should give Quickdraw a run down Santa Monica BLVD, then we'll see who's talking! :bash:

Quickdraw need live in senior complex in Inland Empire :lol:

RP1, I did added about WANCH. :lol:

It was a private message written by him replying to my last sig, which also featured him.
Man that Quickdraw fella is entertaining. The way he types sounds like he's from Chicago's Southside.

Man that Quickdraw fella is entertaining. The way he types sounds like he's from Chicago's Southside.

I thought he's from poorly rundown rural area in midwest.

RP1, I did added about WANCH. :lol:
Where did Wanch say that? Thats funny.

Where did Wanch say that? Thats funny.

He did in CvsC in last years ago but I can't recall about him.

I got PM from Wanch.

Originally Posted by WANCH
sup man,

since when did I mention that in your sig? I don't even know who Quickdraw is and I don't even care about him.

Wow, he busted me. :( I'm going removes soon as possible before going to bed.

in anywhere among these 248 posts, did we ever determine if LA would like to be more Chicago or New York like? And, if so, why?

in anywhere among these 248 posts, did we ever determine if LA would like to be more Chicago or New York like? And, if so, why?

Who cares? This thread is created by BigDan35 in last years ago but this thread will becomes mini-LA Skybar with post count. :)

I thought he's from poorly rundown rural area in midwest.
No, he's from Chicago I think.