I'm going to guess over 840 ft. too. :)

chuck, i gotta ask, which is your drug of choice? it's definitely an upper.if you talk & live the way you write then you're one energetic guy. i feel exhasuted just reading your posts sometimes!Yes....the ChuckScraperMiami#1 show is just as exciting in person! There is more passion in this guy than in a Tennessee ninth grade reading class.

LOL :) , S.F. DAVE :) , its a NATURAL HIGH, lol. ITS MIAMI :) , The Future CITY of the AMERICA'S :) !!!, Living here for over 40 YEARS, From Baltimore, Maryland when I was 9 yrs.old, Watching MIAMI Grow from the Tallest Tower back in 1964 the NEW WORLD TOWER on Biscayne BLVD. To the Newest Height of MET 3 in 2010 at STILL 840 FEET :cheers: , You have to be as Excited as I am at 50 Years old, and FEELING GREAT on Coca-Cola, LOL !!! :cheers:

i knew you were gonna say a natural high! well, cheers to you, man. if you could bottle & sell that energy you'd be a billionaire.

according to a guy on scyscraperpage, channel 10 did a story on met3 a few days ago & quoted the height at 866ft. be awesome if that were true, but i won't believe it til i see it.

lol chuck,

well see the height of met 3 in a couple weeks hopefully,

they shouldve gone to the city by then!!!


were getting closer to a 900 footer :cheers: :cheers:

i guess were building our way up with the ton of 500 footers, a dozen 600 footers, alot of 700 footers, 2 800 footers, and hopefully 900 + next! :cheers:

ok since you have all been on good behavior im uploading a few goodies online tonight and tommorow.

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do you guys think there still going to build island gradens although were not getting the ftaa.

i like this design better than the other one


thanks rx727,you got any of the new 700fts with you?

Thank you Rx, Island Gardens is one of my favorite projects

great pics rx!

is this the final approved design, i keep seeing both of them popping up all over the place? its sweet! great pics man

Yeah Thanks rx.

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Brickell on the River

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Thanks SO much Rx...you're greatly appreciated on the Forums:D:D

I absolutely, enthusiastically ADORE, that design for the Island Gardens project...I hope that's the one that's finally build (cross your fingers tight)!


Anyone ot any new info on Island Gardens??:D:D

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Neo Epoch 1 Unveils 41-Story ‘Wind’ Condo
By Marita Thomas
Last updated: February 11, 2005 08:13am

MIAMI-For its third condo project here, locally based Neo Concepts joint ventures with Antonio Cabrera Jr. to form Neo Epoch 1 to develop Wind, a 41-story, 489-unit residential tower with some mixed-use space. One-, two- and three-bedroom units will be priced between the $200,000s and $650,000, according to Lissette Calderon, CEO of Neo Concepts.
She declined to disclose the construction cost, but projects the value at $210 million. Wachovia Bank provided a $15.2-million land loan. Units range from 785 sf to 1,617 sf. The architect is locally based Luis Revuelta and the design includes “K rooms” and “Exo Rooms,” two Calderon innovations.

The former, short for kinetic rooms, are designed with easily manipulated walls that Calderon says can be removed and changed to accommodate different situations, such a nursery, home office, den and extra bedroom. She describes an Exo room as “an outdoor living space that is 11 feet deep and has two and a half walls, which can extend an indoor living area, such as the dining or living area to the outdoors, or be used separately, as a meditation room, for example.”

Wind amenities include a two-story clubhouse on floors nine and 10, a 10th-floor River Club with a professional kitchen, a two-story fitness center, separate men’s and women’s spas, pool, children’s playroom and business/conference center. A 40,000-sf garden surrounds the building, which is located within the 13.5-acre River Front gated community, planned to contain six high-rise condos.

In all, River Front will contain 2,000 residential units, more than 60,000 sf of retail space and 200,000 sf of office space. Located on the north bank of Miami River at Miami Avenue, near Brickell Avenue, Calderon says River Front is the largest development along the river and the only gated community Downtown. Neo Realty is exclusive agent for Wind sales and marketing.

^If there were any projects that I wouldn't mind a developer cancelling, it would def be this one!!

I still don't understand how the city gave them permission to gate this project.It would be understandable if it were being built on Brickell Ave. south of the Four Seasons where the majority of those towers are gated but in the heart of the CBD just doesn't make any sense.

I still don't understand how the city gave them permission to gate this project.It would be understandable if it were being built on Brickell Ave. south of the Four Seasons where the majority of those towers are gated but in the heart of the CBD just doesn't make any sense.Just change what your perception of gated is....what is really happening at Riverfront is that there 13.5 acres of land and only two main vehicular entrances to the entire property. The 5.5 mile riverwalk will enter the property from the east and the west. The riverwalk is open to the public, as are the restuarants/services in the retail spaces.
Admittedly, using gated community in the marketing and press releases will give certain buyers more comfort. Some of the buyers at the Riverfront properties are going to be the type of people that would otherwise buy on the residential portion of Brickell.

That's all cute, but it is no excuse for the idiocy of a gated community in downtown. Either be urban or not, but there is a place for each and downtown is not the place for a gated community. It is going to look ridiculous on the street.

Congratualtions, the new-suburbanism is born.

Miami is off the hook! I'm amazed by how fast these projects are rising, esp BoR. Island Gardens is gorgeous! Keep on keepin' on, Miami!

i wouldn't mind having the whole riverfront project cancelled,that site deserves better than 6 generic white and green towers

good i hate this project, idiot idea, and horrible designs, stumpy buildings that look better in aventura than in the middle of an evolving downtown of internationally renowned architecture, this sux!

That's all cute, but it is no excuse for the idiocy of a gated community in downtown. Either be urban or not, but there is a place for each and downtown is not the place for a gated community. It is going to look ridiculous on the street.Clearly...Smiley is misusing his imagination. It makes a lot more sense once you've seen the site. Clearly Smiley hasn't been on the street that he is speaking of.It's 13.5 acres, bordered like this:
Northern boundry are the off ramps of I-95. (that would be the road that you are referring to...the one under an off ramp.
Southern boundry = River with public access along the waterfront ,
Western boundry = Metrorail at about 50ft tall, FPL facility (not going to move).
Eastern boundry=the Miami Ave Bridge (this is elevated to form a wall along most of the eastern border of the property),
For all practical purposes, it's gated now!!!.
The only possible place for pedestrian throurghway is on the Riverwalk (Riverfront enhances that by landscaping, lighting, retail shops and restaurants).
Four 40 + story residential buildings with a boat slips, gardens, tennis courts, restaurants, and 3 blocks from the City/County/Federal court houses are hardly suburban. From my apartment at Ivy, you can walk to the Miami International airport on a greenway (or take a water taxi if you'd prefer).In fact,you can walk along the river to the Biscayne Bay and on to the American Airlines Arena (about 3 miles) always on the water, and without EVER having to cross a street. Again, hardly suburban. You will have to see it to believe it.

To each his own...some people think that the aluminum balcony railings on the Vue and Club look good, but give me Luis Revuelta and his floor to ceiling glass, glass balconies, and wide open end apartments anyday. He did nice work on Jade Residences at Brickell Bay, Il Villagio on South Beach, Santa Maria on Brickell, and the Ivy has amazing layouts optimizing the city views.
Aventura doesn't have a place for 13.5 acres and a river walk like this...
http://www.restainer.com/theivy/riverclub final.jpg
And as for stumpy...how is this 45 story tower stumpy? The end apartments have 270 degree views,
and there are multi level townhouses that clad the parking structures with views into the public spaces.
http://www.restainer.com/theivy/w_ivyRenderings.jpg
Everyone is entitled to their own "O", but come on..."generic"???

I'M JUST TIRED OF REVUELTAS WHITE BUILDINGS, I DO LIKE HIS ROOF DESIGNS
WHICH CHANGE EVERYTIME LIKE 900 BIS,JADE,SANTA MARIA

o well at least they can join the big list of 400 footers....

well the design is ok, generic, would do good in aventura, somewhere there, maybe hallandale or ft laud beach, but comeon in the cbd.. that could have been prime land for some 1000 footer and a couple 800 footers lool j/p,


well w/e

good stuff on bor rx

rx keep em coming

Ohhh....you guys are killin' me...this isn't "in the middle of the CBD". It is on the riverbank between a bridge and a non-moveable structure. The site has a couple of challenges to deal with, and they've done a great job.
Go stand on the site, and it will become much more clear why it is being done the way it is. Just to repeat, change your idea of "gated community". These aren't walls with turrets on the top keeping people out.
Another thing, there are three developers that own the 13.5 acres, so the idea of one very large structure would have been a tremendous challenge.
I hear you about the white buildings, there sure are a lot of them everywhere. But there really is more visible glass (way more) than white concrete block (like you see in Brickell on the River I, Vue, the Club, Neo, ) Plus, to really appreciate Reveulta's buildings you have to enjoy them from the inside. Il Villagio is a great non-whitey, and NeoVertika is another great Revuelta design. I'd hate to see this one die, because it will be the only condo development near the downtown with boat slips!!!!! You guys will come around when it is complete.

i knew you were gonna say a natural high! well, cheers to you, man. if you could bottle & sell that energy you'd be a billionaire.

according to a guy on scyscraperpage, channel 10 did a story on met3 a few days ago & quoted the height at 866ft. be awesome if that were true, but i won't believe it til i see it.
WOW !!!, S.F. DAVE :) , I'm Holding You to That 866 FEET :cheers: , I ,too, HOPE that's THE HEIGHT, Wow, MIAMI :) Will Have the TALLEST RESIDENTIAL CONDO TOWER :) South of THE BIG APPLE, We will Be the " LITTLE APPLE " :cheers: Under the BIG ONE, lol. GO CRANES !!!, And RX :) , Thanks for the PICS, And ROARK :) , We Need to Meet EVERYONE Again in Person And CHEER to Downtown MIAMI :) With a Coca-Cola Drink to OUR FUTURE TOWERS of Our GREAT CITY of MIAMI !!! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers: Hip, Hip, HOOORAY !!!

You guys will come around when it is complete.


I hope so...I really do wanna like this design, but right now, it's really shaky...we'll see!!

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some of the buildings look ok but some are just horrendous,
i think the green ones are designed by revuelta and look good,i think the white ones are neo and look like shit.
i'm not ecstatic about the project but w/e.and roark its not that far from cbd

well anyways riverfront is going to be on hold for 6 months anyways

some of the buildings look ok but some are just horrendous, i think the green ones are designed by revuelta and look good,i think the white ones are neo and look like shit.
i'm not ecstatic about the project but w/e.and roark its not that far from cbd...some buildings are going to be better than others....the prices will reflect that. All are designed by Revuelta, the eastern parcels are Epoch/Neo and the Western parcels are Key International. The buildings on the eastern side of the parcel are purposely skinny to maintain view coridors of the Ivy and Ivy II buildings.
http://www.restainer.com/theivy/siteplan2.jpg
Locales realize that Riverfront is within a few blocks of CBD, it is on the outer edge of the CBD, but to someone commenting from, say Tampa, they might think that there is a gated community in the middle of the CBD, that is simply incorrect. I was just trying to clear up that point for those people that have not been there...it really is obvious when you are on the site. Hopefully, the diagram can make for a good proxy. As the traffic/tunnel survey is being conducted, things are Riverfront are moving ahead. Most reservations have been converted to purchase agreements, and the resales will begin soon. And now for something completely different....

ook i just noticed that tis is going to be parking lot heaven,


and whats the something different

your too young to understand uptown...

ook i just noticed that tis is going to be parking lot heavenNot really....the ground floor retail will include shops and restaurants. Coffee shops, deli, dry cleaner, child care, etc. The parking structures are clad with loft apartments so you don't see cars.
These loft-stlye townhomes are separated from the parking by a hallway and separated so that the vibration of vehicles doesn't shake your apartment, nor will CO2 get in your bachelor pad! Once a car comes down the main promenade, it either pulls into the valet circle, or disappears into a building. There will be very little if any surface parking, and delivery trucks are relegated to the western property line, out of site. Really, the only parking you will see is going to be me parked in the hammock on the waterfront with a frosty beverage. All the open space that you see in the site plan are gardens, tennis courts, open green space, and the riverwalk/river club.

awfully lofty goals ur settin here roark... u better pull through, or well all blame u

Not really....the ground floor retail will include shops and restaurants. Coffee shops, deli, dry cleaner, child care, etc. The parking structures are clad with loft apartments so you don't see cars.
These loft-stlye townhomes are separated from the parking by a hallway and separated so that the vibration of vehicles doesn't shake your apartment, nor will CO2 get in your bachelor pad! Once a car comes down the main promenade, it either pulls into the valet circle, or disappears into a building. There will be very little if any surface parking, and delivery trucks are relegated to the western property line, out of site. Really, the only parking you will see is going to be me parked in the hammock on the waterfront with a frosty beverage. All the open space that you see in the site plan are gardens, tennis courts, open green space, and the riverwalk/river club.


Wow...that sounds pretty good...so you're saying that things are still progressing even wile the tunnel study is taking place? Do you expect these buildings to break ground this year??

The plans sound good, but i don't like the buildings themselves.. Wind and Ivy look like just any other white condo. Why couldn't they be glassy and modern to better reflect the CBD?? But the way the site plan is arranged it looks like they'll add good density and maybe i should wait to see how the whole thing interacts with the skyline, but i really can't see 6 MORE white condo towers something to be excited about...

And why SIX towers?? Man, imagine if they were six different developments or even two or three. This is right in the middle of downtown and I don't think one developer should be allowed to just sprawl like that. I mean, usually you see something like this in the suburbs or the beaches not right in the middle of the CBD.. I think the City Council should shut this down..

A picture is worth 1000 words, Roark, so here are two more that might help your case:

Ivy property, in relation to downtown and Brickell (FPL substation, City of Miami Administration Building, and other landmarks labeled for reference):
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Zoomed in:
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Here are some thoughts that run through my mind, and perhaps you can clarify:

Is this property going to be "walled off" from the surrounding area (ignoring the existing barriers), i.e., does the developer plan to erect walls along the perimeter of the property?

You keep mentioning that it is not a "gated community" in the traditional sense of the word. If that's the case, I find the use of that term a bit misleading. It sounds like a marketing gimmick to me. Gated communities are inaccessible to the outside, they have guardhouses controlling ingress and egress.

As it stands now, I don't see any existing city streets abutting the property, except SW 3rd St and Miami Ave, which form the northern and eastern perimeter. From my understanding of what I have seen, since there are no through streets that cut through this parcel, no existing streets would be closed off. This arrangement, when completed, would be more like a plaza or a superblock. Is that an accurate assessment? If so, it would be comparable to Chopin Plaza, where the Inter-Continental, Citigroup Tower, and One Miami complex are located.

It seems like the goal is to sell that "closed-in" feeling because streets don't cut through the middle of the property.

The plans sound good, but i don't like the buildings themselves.. Wind and Ivy look like just any other white condo. I can't speak to Wind as well as Ivy, but Ivy is not like any other white condo.
#1 Is is shaped like an airfoil. Done purposely to optimize views. Use some imagination or deft spatial relations skills, but if you look at the site plan, and know the site, you can see how each apartment has the best possible views available. This is not a rectangular box (Vue, Club, Mark, Floridian, Brickell on the river, 50 Biscayne, etc.)
#2 Every apartment has floor to ceiling glass. There are no boxy windows. Every apartment has a glass balcony spanning the ENTIRE width of the apartment. (you mean you can't see that, one and only?)
Why couldn't they be glassy and modern to better reflect the CBD??
#3 each end apartment has a wrap around balcony with one singular column to support an otherwise cantilevered balcony. Incredible openness that is impossible, if not for the most modern technology.
Perhaps the renderings available to the public just don't do the building justice. These things just jump out, and it is amazing that they could be called generic.But the way the site plan is arranged it looks like they'll add good density and maybe i should wait to see how the whole thing interacts with the skyline, but i really can't see 6 MORE white condo towers something to be excited about...The northern two towers will not likely be condo towers, they may be office, but we can see what the future holds.
And why SIX towers?? Man, imagine if they were six different developments or even two or three. This is right in the middle of downtown Thanks for the map Tivo. It is NOT in the middle of downtown. and I don't think one developerIt's not one developer.suburbs or the beaches not right in the middle of the CBD.. I think the City Council should shut this down..Oh boy...you are kidding right? Make a list (please stop at 50 or so) of the all the 45 story waterfront mixed use towers in the suburbs that you know of. You can even call the Miami "City Council" and ask them for help.

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Here are some thoughts that run through my mind, and perhaps you can clarify: Is this property going to be "walled off" from the surrounding area (ignoring the existing barriers), i.e., does the developer plan to erect walls along the perimeter of the property?
Well yes, but mainly to enhance the landscaping from the interior of the property...I you are the site, you can see that the Miami Avenue bridge is in effect a "wall" the developer will merely beautify it.
You keep mentioning that it is not a "gated community" in the traditional sense of the word. If that's the case, I find the use of that term a bit misleading. It sounds like a marketing gimmick to me. [quote=tivo] OH YEAH! That's true...look at all the confusion it has caused in the forum. You aerial photo should go a long way to dispell the "gated community in the middle of the central business district" perception.[quote=tivo]Gated communities are inaccessible to the outside, they have guardhouses controlling ingress and egress.
As it stands now, I don't see any existing city streets abutting the property, except SW 3rd St and Miami Ave, which form the northern and eastern perimeter. From my understanding of what I have seen, since there are no through streets that cut through this parcel, no existing streets would be closed off. This arrangement, when completed, would be more like a plaza or a superblock. Is that an accurate assessment? You have got it! Thank you for your articulation! If so, it would be comparable to Chopin Plaza, where the Inter-Continental, Citigroup Tower, and One Miami complex are located. It seems like the goal is to sell that "closed-in" feeling because streets don't cut through the middle of the property.That is about it...nicely done. The space is not in the middle of CBD...no one since the Tequestas ever walked from one side of the property to get to the FPL station....there is no closing of the river walk, and when complete, there will be more reason to walk along the river, and unlike Chopin Plaza...there will be some destination restaurants and boat slips. Okay...I'm going to relax now... :cheers:

how are they going to fit boat slips there?

I'm still not feeling this project, maybe I'm just being hard-headed but it just doesn't make sense to me..

The big question is why?? Why MORE condos?? How does this help us? I mean us as in the city.. City planners are always doing studies and "analyzing" how to expand our CBD to a world-class business district. We can start by not sticking sorry ass condo projects like 50 biscayne in the middle of the CBD..

The BoA building and proposed lynx project are less than five blocks from this project and I believe the BoA building qualifies as the CBD. So this project is in the middle of downtown. It's certainly not in Hia-freakin-leah.

Imagine if this "superblock" were used for awesome office towers. How much would that rock??

They could have build this condo project any where else. Thats when you know you have a truly special condo project: when it reflects it surroundings so well you cannot envision it in any other district then the one it is in. Could you imagine Blue in South Beach? or Portofino in Brickell?? No. The only thing that makes this project special is that its in the middle of downtown. Other than that there is nothing remarkable about this development..

well we still haveen't seen all of the towers in a detail rendering and 2 towers are supose to be all glass office towers.

#2 Every apartment has floor to ceiling glass. There are no boxy windows. Every apartment has a glass balcony spanning the ENTIRE width of the apartment. (you mean you can't see that, one and only?)
Huge balconies will NEVER fit in in an urban enviroment no matter how glassy or unboxy. No i couldn't see because we have not been provided a color rendering...


Oh boy...you are kidding right? Make a list (please stop at 50 or so) of the all the 45 story waterfront mixed use towers in the suburbs that you know of. You can even call the Miami "City Council" and ask them for help.

Make a list (please stop at 50 or so) of six tower, gated communities in a downtown district.. Chicago? L.A.? Toronto? San Fransisco? Nope, didn't think so..

chill man i find this project better than some others in cbd,dupont,one miami,and 50 bis,and for all you know this project was slated to become a huge parking lot a few years ago.yea i might not like the towers,their heights might suck but hey lets not be picky and take what we can get

^^^ Response is in Miami = CBD thread...

Huge balconies will NEVER fit in in an urbanWhoa!!! Stop the construction! These projects have to stop because the_1_and_only_cuban says that huge balconies never fit in to urban environments...stop 50 Biscayne, stop 10 Museum, quickly halt 900 Biscayne!! These will never fit in!!! The balconies run the length of the apartment, in all of these projects and the_1_and_only_cuban will have none of that! C'mon Cube, don't be a hater! enviroment no matter how glassy or unboxy. No i couldn't see because we have not been provided a color rendering...Hmmm...now you say you can't even see it? Check out http://www.theivymiami.com/ and click on "building" and you can see a little better how the end apartments have only one small column holding it all together. Similar to Jade Brickell...you know how the western side apartments on the ends stick out a little bit so that even they have direct bay views. It's anything but generic, but maybe too subtle to notice at first glance.
Make a list (please stop at 50 or so) of six tower, gated communities in a downtown district.. Chicago? L.A.? Toronto? San Fransisco? Nope, didn't think so..Well, you called the project suburban, and then can't back it up by answering the question. Didn't that photo Tivo posted demonstrate anything to you? The key is not to get so hung up on the "gated" in the community. It really helps to visit the site if you prefer not to look at pictures/renderings closely. This project will be about as gated as Brickell Key, and less than any of the towers on South Brickell. As for multiple towers in an urban setting...one comes to mind immediately. I think that there were 6 buildings...1,3,5,7,9,& 11...you might have heard of them because they have been in the news a lot in the last few years...The World Trade Center in NYC :bash: There is also The Belcher's in the Hong Kong Island area, there are 6 towers...4 that are 61 floors and and 2 that are 63 floors. Those come to mind with very little effort, you could could probably find others...there is talk of a multiple tower resdiential development in Manhattan on old Con Edison land, please let me know if you find any 6 towers over 40 stories in the suburbs, seriously, I like to learn about this stuff. But that is all on this topic for a while...I'm getting blue in the face.

paramount on the bay

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premiere towers at mary brickell village

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Onyx 2

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:eek2: :eek2: :eek2: Just espectacular. Thanks RX

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the premiere towers are soo dam nice man!!! i also like the villa magna renderings too!!! by the way wats going on with that project noone even hears anything about it.. thanx for the pic RX always appreciated

RX :) , I'm sorry to say this, BUT NO WAY for VILLA MAGNA to be That HIGH :bash: , Remember the New City of Miami Agreement with TIBOR HOLLO, 37 to 40 Stories, Its True, NO HIGHER than 40 FLOORS :) . Its been Appproved. :cheers:

yeah thats true also the positioning of the buildings have changed as well from horizontal to vertical of the bay.

wooow rx, now ur gonna tell me u found all that on google??? comeon, u got some connections lol

great pics, that villa magna has jade and the new towers so it shouldnt be that old. wow hope its that high but those renderings are off as hell look how short 4 seasons looks, if its that tall compared 2 four seasons then this can be a 1000 footer lool

the premiere towers are soo dam nice man!!! i also like the villa magna renderings too!!! by the way wats going on with that project noone even hears anything about it.. thanx for the pic RX always appreciated
JE :) , to tell you the Truth, I'll bet Tibor Hollo :) either SELLS the Property or just lets it SIT EMPTY, I know Tibor Hollo :) for a Long time since Building the OMNI HOTEL and MALL, He's really pissed about the CUT DOWN :bash: of HIS VILLA MAGNA, He REALLY wanted that 57 FLOORS in BOTH CONDO TOWERS !!!, But The New City Aggreement :bash: of 37 and 40 FLOORS has got Him in a spot Where He might NEVER Build VILLA MAGNA, I'll Bet that SITE Stays EMPTY for the NEXT 2 Years. :bash:

Those are some Hott projects...Thanks RX:D

there was never a hieght limitation on villa magna or any limits on the positioning horizontal or vertical

the only limit was to the massing of the project and when i say massing i mean the amount of units in the project the square footage stayed the same
so tibor hollo could build two towers or just one big 800-850 footer if he wanted to and he could block the views since views are not protected in the state of florida.

he was playing fair before now he could be a jerk if he wants to and put the ugliest tallest tower there just to piss some people off.

whoa rx i think you're merlin or something,i hope they build villa magna that big it look like an 800 footer,and maybe tibor hollo is just going to redesign his original plan.thats funny if you look at the last picture of villa magna it pretty much blocks the apartments from jade

lol i hope he builds that giant massive tower,

hahah with all that hell they gave him, and those jade people complaining, do it!

RX :) , I REALLY Hope Your Right :) , Just Build WHAT He Wants :runaway: and Piss others OFF :bash: , BUT You got to be in TIBOR HOLLO's Shoes, HES in his LATE 60's, Early 70's, He's getting ILL at FIGHTING the Residents :bash: and THE SYSTEM :bash: , I believe Hes Hanging IT UP, ( GOD BLESS HIM )and THE OPERA TOWER :) MIGHT be His LAST TALLEST TOWER :) , May He REST :sleepy: in Peace !!! :cheers:

^ Yep, the guy who started it all.

those are some nice renderings
Can't wait to pans of DT Miami in another 3-4 years, it's gonna look amazing!
I dont like is that "superblock" project, however.
6 towers in that location, while it may not be "CBD", it's still close enough to DT that had the site been used for mixed-use, public access buildings, it could be an extension of downtown. Now it's just going to become a yuppy playground with nothing to offer anyone who can't afford to sip martini's & fly first class.
I think Miami would be better off developing it's CBD with the general Miamian in mind, while keeping the exclusive glitz & glamour to Brickell & SoBe.
Just my $.02

those are some nice renderings
Can't wait to pans of DT Miami in another 3-4 years, it's gonna look amazing!
I dont like is that "superblock" project, however.
6 towers in that location, while it may not be "CBD", it's still close enough to DT that had the site been used for mixed-use, public access buildings, it could be an extension of downtown. Now it's just going to become a yuppy playground with nothing to offer anyone who can't afford to sip martini's & fly first class.
I think Miami would be better off developing it's CBD with the general Miamian in mind, while keeping the exclusive glitz & glamour to Brickell & SoBe.
Just my $.02It's technically in the CBD, right now, and for the past two decades it has been on the edge in a dead zone where no one has a reason to walk, the freeways box this site in and that is a shame. But keep in mind that two out of the six towers will probably be office buildings.
The apartments were offered at $350 per square ft with water views...that is damn good considering the amenities. The restuarants cafes and the riverwalk is open to the public. Just like on Brickell Key.
We have to be a little realisitc...how many cities have the least expensive homes on the water? Not many.

TRUE ROARK :) , Yes HISMA :) , Its the MISSING LINK of the Central Business Development AREA North of TALL TOWER Downtown :) and JUST SOUTH of the OMNI-ART-MIDTOWN-UPTOWN :) TALL Tower Downtown, LOL, What a LINE there for ALL the TALL TOWERS to Join TOGETHER to be Called " THE MIAMI WALL ", :) lol , like the China Wall. ITS the 6 TOWER CONNECTION of the Two HUGE GROWING AREA's Of DOWNTOWN MIAMI :) . GO CRANES !!! :cheers:

^ Yes, a one-thousand footer by 2020, at which time Chuck will be retired.

And then he can spend all his time trolling construction sites and pestering sales ladies for building heights ! :)

paramount on the bay

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premiere towers at mary brickell village

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Onyx 2

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RX :) , where have you been lately, ALL 4 of these Towers are ready for Groundbreaking Soon, We need Updates, INPUT, Me Johnny5 :) needs to know when is the Groundbreaking, Interest Rates Are Creeping Up at 5.85 % for a 30 year loan, This is Not too good 4 years from NOW, the Boom will end, if these rates keep going Up at www.interest.com GO CRANES !!! :cheers:

i luv the premiere towers.. although the real building probably wont have that amazing affect with the reeeeally reflective glass... these will be nice

whens the groundbreaking for these towers? i hope soon, they might be my favorites on brickell along with esp, foursns, and the infinities

^^yeah...anyone know when premiere towers breaks ground, it's the only tower going up that's not boxy

is it just me... or do the premiere towers look kinda awkward

still amazing, but theres just something thats just not right... i just noticed it, i cant finger it, theres just some proportion or something thats just not rite about em...

Wait a minute, they're billing them as Premiere Towers AT MARY BRICKELL VILLAGE ? Is it another phase of MBV ?

nah... theyre not affiliated with mbv, just being built on the plot next to it...

Wait a minute, they're billing them as Premiere Towers AT MARY BRICKELL VILLAGE ? Is it another phase of MBV ?They are actually billing them as Premiere Towers at Brickell Village. Brickell Village is the name of the area (bordered by the Miami River to the North, Brickell on the East, Coral Way to the south, and the MetroMover to the west).

They do look a little awkward but thats just because the artist never learned prospective. Being over 500-ft tall, the towers should appear smaller towards that top when viewed from that angle. Looks like they drew the tops too big, probably to accentuate the white roof design.

that must be it... i dunno... something just looks weird

do we have the final renderings for the dupont towers?

So where exactly are the Premiere towers being built? And speaking of this area, does anyone know anything about the Beacon (Renzi Development, I believe)? The sign has been there for what seems like years now.

I'm not a sales office junkie, but I did happen to be in the Beacon's the other day. It's mostly sold. Groundbreaking will be mid-summer according to the sales lady.

The Beacon...not a fan



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where exactly (lower Brickell, upper Brickell?) is this going...it says 801 Brickell Place, but I have no idea where brickell Place is!

It seemed kind of radical two years ago. Now it looks a little fuddy-duddy.

Build it anyway. Build them all.

It's next to the chicken kitchen across from a metromover stop. 8th st naturally.

It's next to the chicken kitchen across from a metromover stop. 8th st naturally.
Yes , Brickell :) , its right there at S.W. 8th st and next to the Metromover, you can't miss the Beacon tower sign on the empty half dirt parking lot , surrounded by a fence. The Sales center is around the corner in the small white building, and I asked when is the groundbreaking ??, the man inside said late this year, 2005. Buit he look like he was'nt sure.it was dead in there, and the scale of the Beacon Tower at brickell village was very nice and tall, looks great at 42 floors. :cheers:

So where exactly are the Premiere towers being built?
International Shoe :wave: , Update :speech: on the Premiere Twin oval towers, the Site has been completely cleared just north of the Mary Brickell Village on South Miami Ave south of S.W. 8th Street next to the Burger King on the southwest corner of 8th Street and South Miami Ave. :okay:
These Two Towers are gonna be huge and tall just west of the Washington Mutual Tower in Brickell :laugh: . A sales center double trailer is being installed this month, its in pieces on the site. :hilarious :doh:

I'm not a sales office junkie, but I did happen to be in the Beacon's the other day. It's mostly sold. Groundbreaking will be mid-summer according to the sales lady.

its already late summer... wat gives?...

its already late summer... wat gives?...

Last we heard they supersized it, to 50 stories. And there will be an even larger phase II.

I Love all those condos.

Updates???:lol:

premiere towers r going to be all glassy Im right am i

premiere towers r going to be all glassy Im right am i
Right now, it's all nothing. The project has been for sale for over a year with a list price of about $19M per acre.