Let's see.... UNC kicked Illinois' butt.... so the south is better! :cheers:

Let's see.... UNC kicked Illinois' butt.... so the south is better! :cheers:

Yeah, 5 points, you guys sure kicked our ass. :|

Midwest...why?
AT least the miswest have really urban density and good rails system and also Great Lakes cities over the Gulf Of Mexico cities anyday...

Better public schools in the mdiwest then south..
Judging by your grammer and punctuation, I am not so sure if the midwest's schools are better.

The south has some density too, just not as much, due to the number of people that have moved there during the past few decades. Ever heard of Birmingham, Memphis, New Orleans, Savannah, Richmond, Charleston, etc? Sure these cities aren't as big as some of the midwest's, but they still showcase some great density.

You are right, while proof-reading what I put up. I saw many mistakes. I have horrible grammar skills, that's why people invented grammar checking, but not only that I am just on this forum, I feel like a chatroom where you type really really fast, and use short form of the words or just forget about punctuation. I usually forget to put periods on the end of sentences when typing, but I fix them afterwards.

Each day, on this forum, I learn and grow more, not only about skyscrapers but also debating and other skills.

Back on the topic: Usually, maybe though propaganda, I think of the south as like metros just sprawling for hundred of miles, very religous, "backward", and people still want slaves that forget the Civil War ever happen.

Yeah, 5 points, you guys sure kicked our ass. :|
What is it our 5th national championship title? How many national championships has Illinios won, let alone played in. Yeah, thought so. :bleh:

The thing is, the midwest has Chicago, and the south has.........whatever :)

The thing is, the midwest has Chicago, and the south has.........whatever :)
and Atlanta, Dallas, Houston and Miami.

oh joy :sleepy:

Back on the topic: Usually, maybe though propaganda, I think of the south as like metros just sprawling for hundred of miles, very religous, "backward", and people still want slaves that forget the Civil War ever happen.


lmao! Are you serious? So if a person is religious, then they are backwards? Where is the sense in that? Just because you may not be religious, doesn't mean you have to insult others who may wish to believe in a god by calling them backwards.

When I think of the midwest, I think of cornfields and "backward" hick farmers chewing on their tobacco and with a peice of straw hanging out of their mouth. (I can be ignorant too, can't I?)

And wtf at southerns still wanting slaves? What gave you that idea? Please inform me, because I really would like to know.

Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta combined cannot match Chicago, in many respects. IMO.
Although I love Miami !
Chicago!
http://img39.exs.cx/img39/69/Chi-in-July--75.jpg
http://www.philipmalenfant.com/chi2252
http://www.ee.ucla.edu/~somdeb/images/Chicago/chicago0032.JPG
http://www.steinke.us/sailing/P8240003big.JPG

lmao! Are you serious? So if a person is religious, then they are backwards? Where is the sense in that? Just because you may not be religious, doesn't mean you have to insult others who may wish to believe in a god by calling them backwards.

When I think of the midwest, I think of cornfields and "backward" hick farmers chewing on their tobacco and with a peice of straw hanging out of their mouth. (I can be ignorant too, can't I?)

And wtf at southerns still wanting slaves? What gave you that idea? Please inform me, because I really would like to know.
LOL, Right?

Many of the midwestern forumers refer to the southeast as being "hick". They seem to forget that we are surrounded in corn fields, farmers and cows. And please don't go showing pictures of Chicago, the Great Lakes, and some random waterfalls in Minneasota, because there are exceptions to everything.

Hick mean relating to the countryside or A person regarded as gullible or provincial.

Here are a few rural pics.. http://www.illinoisleader.com/content/img/f1457/CornFields.jpg

http://www.sacredgroundintl.org/images/sg-buffalo.gif

Um, beautiful...:puke:

Dear, sweet Christ. Not this bullshit again. Let this thread die in peace, would you?

They seem to forget that we are surrounded in corn fields, farmers and cows.

Just because your little corner of the midwest is surrounded by cornfields, farmers and cows doesn't mean all of the midwest is as such. It is true that much of the landscape has been claimed as farmland, but the midwest is a very large, very diverse area with lots of natural beauty.

Just because your little corner of the midwest is surrounded by cornfields, farmers and cows doesn't mean all of the midwest is as such. It is true that much of the landscape has been claimed as farmland, but the midwest is a very large, very diverse area with lots of natural beauty.
My little corner? Is that Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, and many parts of the other midwestern states? Yes, the midwest is a huge diverse area with lots of natural beauty, just like the south.

You people crack me up...

I'm not talking about the South, james2930. You just seem to be such a self-loathing person living in South Bend, IN. You really seem to suffer from the "grass is greener" syndrome (assuming you're originally from Indiana). I am not going to say that the Midwest has more natural beauty or that the South has more natural beauty, but I just find it funny how skewed the impression of your own region is.

I'm not talking about the South, james2930. You just seem to be such a self-loathing person living in South Bend, IN. You really seem to suffer from the "grass is greener" syndrome (assuming you're originally from Indiana). I am not going to say that the Midwest has more natural beauty or that the South has more natural beauty, but I just find it funny how skewed the impression of your own region is.
That's great, I didn't think you were talking about the south either. I have been all over the south, and in my opinion it is much better. I practically live there during the summer, and I often visit through out the rest of the year. Liking a region that I find much better than my own has nothing to do with a "grass is greener" syndrome. My impression of the midwest isn't skewed, I live here.

But what I'm saying is that just because you live in South Bend doesn't mean you know the Midwest. Have you ever been to Northern Michigan/Wisconsin? Northern Minnesota? The Missouri Ozarks? The Dakotas? Western Nebraska? These are just as characteristic of the Midwest as a cornfield in Indiana or Iowa.

But what I'm saying is that just because you live in South Bend doesn't mean you know the Midwest. Have you ever been to Northern Michigan/Wisconsin? Northern Minnesota? The Missouri Ozarks? The Dakotas? Western Nebraska? These are just as characteristic of the Midwest as a cornfield in Indiana or Iowa.
Yes, I have been most places excluding the Dakotas and Western Nebraska, which I don't even consider them as the midwest. I consider them the plains states. Of course there are exceptions to everything, but when people think of the midwest they don't think of the Missouri Ozarks and places like that.

South definitely because all of the cities are growing very quickly. Great job markets and beautiful weather. South is growing faster than any other region of the country.

The south has the widest variety of cities, terrain, weather, resorts, history, the ocean and imo is just more interesting.

South definitely because all of the cities are growing very quickly. Great job markets and beautiful weather. South is growing faster than any other region of the country.
Except for the west, I believe.

The south has the widest variety of cities, terrain, weather, resorts, history, the ocean and imo is just more interesting.
Agreed.

California probably, God knows why.

Whoa. Haven't seen this thread in a while.

I must admit I'm not too interested in the competition between the South and Midwest here (suffice it to say, I'm cheering for the home team), but I would like to raise a few issues that have been brought up about my region.

1. EXTREME WEATHER: Yes, we have it, and truthfully, so does everybody else. Meanwhile, despite the oppressive heat of summer and the bone chill of winter, the weather issue can be highly overrated. First of all, it varies greatly within the midwest, so that Brown County, IN, can enjoy wild winters, while Door County, WI, is enjoying mild summers. And truthfully, in a place like Chicago, it is possible to enjoy mild weather all year around. No, not every day in any season, but any season will have plenty. Our summers can be comfortable and, at times, even cool. Our weathers are often mild (short of a real blast of cold during the beginning of January) and snow has been miniscule in recent years. That our climate is so much like that of the northeast and that people make it seem worse is ludicrous to me.

2. GREAT LAKES: No, they're not the ocean, but in so many ways, they're better. Like the ocean, they're endless: you can't see across them. And on even a moderately windy day, they kick up some nice size waves. Unlike the ocean, we can enjoy them on our doorsteps. Chgo, Milw, Cleve and other cities can build downtown right on their shores and not have to worry about being sheltered from their waters like oceanic cities need to be with their harbors. Our beaches on the Great Lakes, in so many places, are fabulous, going on for endless after endless beautiful mile. Away from our cities, the rock formatin and the sand dunes make for some of the most beautiful land and water vistas in America.

3. SCENERY: and those vistas are not all confined to the Great Lakes. Beautiful areas dot the midwest, many of them delightfully hilly. We are not deprived of magnificent scenery and you would have to be depraved to consider what we have to be "flyover country". It's not

4. SOPISTICATION/ATMOSPHERE: people in the northeast often fail to realize that our region is much like theirs. We have large and sophisticated cities (not just Chicago, as some think), fantastic resorts, a sense of history and a sense of place, stellar universities. In many ways, the states within the Great Lakes region share more in common with the Mid Atlantic and New England states, both culturally and politically, than we do with the states on the Great Plains. I don't say that in the sense that one is better than the other. I say it more for the fact that some people in coastal areas tend to lump the whole interior of the nation together, a grouping that makes no sense what-so-ever.

None of this is a knock on the South, as I said. The South is a great region. But I wanted to share what IMHO were misconceptions about the Middle West. It's a great region and I love it!

Nobody considers Washington, DC a southern city. It is almost always grouped with the northeast.

My favorite southern cities:

Miami
Richmond
New Orleans
Memphis

I do agree with this. Washington DC WAS considered the South years ago, but since it grew up and the megalopolis formed it has more in common with the NE, or better yet...Mid-Atlantic. Same for Miami, it was considered very southern many years ago....the town was FULL of southern drawl until all the transplants moved in and changed it. You still see alot of the "south" if you go to certain areas of both Miami and DC though. I would imagine the same will happen to places like Atlanta with all the Northern transplants moving in. It will happen gradually and perhaps by then we will all stop bickering about which part of the country is better and look at it more as a whole.

versus threads! I missed you!

Midwest no question it

The south seems more appeling to me, personally its more interesting. I don't know I think Chicago is nice, but the other midwestern cities well...Im not too impressed. The south has Atlanta and Nashville and thats good enough for me. Also does Florida count? Cause I would have to say Miami as well, that place is going to look sharp in the next few decades. :)

4. SOPISTICATION/ATMOSPHERE: In many ways, the states within the Great Lakes region share more in common with the Mid Atlantic and New England states, both culturally and politically, than we do with the states on the Great Plains. I don't say that in the sense that one is better than the other. I say it more for the fact that some people in coastal areas tend to lump the whole interior of the nation together, a grouping that makes no sense what-so-ever.

Then again, people in the the Great Lakes states may view places like Iowa with the same misconceptions that people in the Northeast view the Great Lakes states. Whereas, Iowa for example is known for having one of the most highly educated populations in the nation and for fairly progressive politics and universities.

We are talking about different kinds of cities.

From my limited experience the South has an urban tradition, but it is not necessarily an industrial urban tradition.

Thus many southern cities are of the Columbia/Jackson/Nashville/MaconAsheville/Lexington vareity...political centers or regional trade centers with some small industrial component, or they are ports like Moblie or Pensacola, or perhaps Jacksonville or Tampa.

True there are industrial cities in the South...but older industrial cities are somewhat rare or are very regionalized...Birmingham and Chattanooga, and perhaps cities of the Carolina textile region.

So, in a historical sense, and in an urban form sense, one sees a different kind of urban style or development going on in the South compared to the Midwest. In some ways the South is almost like Europe, like Germany, with a network of pre-industrial cities with an industrial overlay.

FOR THE SIMPLE FACT THAT THE MIDWEST INCLUDES THE CITY OF CHICAGO PUTS THE MIDWEST ON A WHOLE OTHER LEVEL.......AND WE ALSO HAVE BOTH MISSOURI STL AND EAST STL....MAY I REMIND U THAT ST LOUIS IS ONE OF THE ORIGINAL HOMES OF JAZZ-ragtime-SCOTT JOPLIN...AND WE ALSO HAVE KANSAS CITY ALSO KNOWN AS ONE OF THE HOMES OF BLUES...AND AT ONE POINT AND TIME CHICAGO WAS THE EPICENTER OF THE JAZZ GENRE....A LIST OF ACCOMPLISHMENTS/BUSINESSES/COMPANIES REIGNING FROM THE MIDWEST WOULD INCLUDE JET/EBONY MAGAZINE...TOOTSIE ROLL....AXE BODY SPRAY(LOL) MIXADE/FLAVORADE POWDERED DRINKS MILLER BEER...HALLMARK CARDS....WONDER BREAD....H/R BLOCK/GET UR TAXES DONE!!!THE DEFENDER....DETROIT/MOTOWN....WRIGLY CHEWING GUM...REGAL THEATER....SEARS TOWER....ALL STATE INSURANCE AND STATE FARM.....

The south seems more appeling to me, personally its more interesting. I don't know I think Chicago is nice, but the other midwestern cities well...Im not too impressed. The south has Atlanta and Nashville and thats good enough for me. Also does Florida count? Cause I would have to say Miami as well, that place is going to look sharp in the next few decades. :)

LOL no way. Midwest trumps the South, by far. The midwest is full of beautiful, dense, URBAN cities, like Chicago, and Columbus.

Southern cities are suburban, family-oriented places where you can catch a sermon and some fast food on the same street. Not to mention the sprawl.

^ughhhh, we have the HOME of BLUES (memphis), JAZZ (new orleans), and COUNTRY (nashville).

so that ends the music argument.

as far as things that started in the south.........................

i wont bother, it would take all day

Scott Joplin is actually from Texas. The Home of blues is Memphis although one could say Mississippi as well and New Orleans the home of Jazz like louisianacharm said.

LOL no way. Midwest trumps the South, by far. The midwest is full of beautiful, dense, URBAN cities, like Chicago, and Columbus.

Southern cities are suburban, family-oriented places where you can catch a sermon and some fast food on the same street. Not to mention the sprawl.

Now isn't that steryotypical. Well two can play that game.

When I think of the midwest I think of large industrial towns with dirty old buildings and huge droves of people leaving the cities for better pasture. I also think about cows and endless feilds of agriculture, not very urban.

And please don't compare Chicago to Columbus. That really won't work even though I think of Columbus as a great city. Its just that you can't remember it on a national scale. :)

Now isn't that steryotypical. Well two can play that game.

When I think of the midwest I think of large industrial towns with dirty old buildings and huge droves of people leaving the cities for better pasture. I also think about cows and endless feilds of agriculture, not very urban.

And please don't compare Chicago to Columbus. That really won't work even though I think of Columbus as a great city. Its just that you can't remember it on a national scale. :)

http://img32.echo.cx/img32/9144/over62and559009sx.jpg
http://www.phototour.minneapolis.mn.us/pics/151.jpg

Yeah, <i>very</i> dirty.

Yeah, <i>very</i> dirty.

I think he was trying to make a point about stereotyping. :|

We are talking about different kinds of cities.

From my limited experience the South has an urban tradition, but it is not necessarily an industrial urban tradition.

Thus many southern cities are of the Columbia/Jackson/Nashville/MaconAsheville/Lexington vareity...political centers or regional trade centers with some small industrial component, or they are ports like Moblie or Pensacola, or perhaps Jacksonville or Tampa.

True there are industrial cities in the South...but older industrial cities are somewhat rare or are very regionalized...Birmingham and Chattanooga, and perhaps cities of the Carolina textile region.

So, in a historical sense, and in an urban form sense, one sees a different kind of urban style or development going on in the South compared to the Midwest. In some ways the South is almost like Europe, like Germany, with a network of pre-industrial cities with an industrial overlay.

Excellent post, all points spot on.

I think he was trying to make a point about stereotyping. :|

Thank You! :)

I do agree with this. Washington DC WAS considered the South years ago, but since it grew up and the megalopolis formed it has more in common with the NE, or better yet...Mid-Atlantic. Same for Miami, it was considered very southern many years ago....the town was FULL of southern drawl until all the transplants moved in and changed it. You still see alot of the "south" if you go to certain areas of both Miami and DC though. I would imagine the same will happen to places like Atlanta with all the Northern transplants moving in. It will happen gradually and perhaps by then we will all stop bickering about which part of the country is better and look at it more as a whole.
Interesting.

Sorry for resurrecting such an old thread, but this thread has to be the most hilarious thread I've ever seen!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Holy hell! Where has this dinosaur of a thread been hiding?



Oh, and the Midwest beats southern ass btw. ;)

Midwest without Chicago---midwest wins by decent margin.

Midwest with Chicago? FUGGITABOUTIT!!

Even without Chicago, the Midwest still has an EXCELLENT assortment of cities. And most of them aren't urban wastelands, contrary to popular belief.

What kind of question is that?
Memphis, Nashville, Charlotte, Raleigh, Atlanta, Jacksonville, Tampa, Orlando, Miami, Birmingham, Richmond, New Orleans, Dallas, Houston, Austin, San Antonio, Louisville, and El Paso!

Midwest, Milwaukee, Chicago, Detroit, Minneapolis and what else? I mean like cities with over 1 million people, because all of the cities I just named are either extremely close or surpass the 1 million mark. In my opinion the South gives more cities that offer more than the Midwest, considering that besides Detroit, Minneapolis, and Chicago there's really not that much. If I'm wrong, please correct me. I mean we have Miami, New Orleans, and Atlanta that all offer extremely nice night life. Dallas, Houston, Miami and Atlanta that have amazing skylines, New Orleans, Birmingham, Atlanta, Houston and San Antonio that offer a lot lot of history. Cities that have over 5 million people in population, Atanta, Houston, Dallas and Miami. Developing cities like Miami, Charlotte. I mean, we're the thing. We're also the most populated region in the whole entire nation. I mean, if Chicago beats all of these cities combined in all of the things I just named then incredible. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Thank you for you're patience. And also, whomever brought this thread to life again, man dude, you were bored.