View Full Version : It's the end of the line for Tampa light rail plan


radicalqaz
February 9th, 2005, 03:43 PM
It's the end of the line for light rail
For the third year in a row, the transit administration has passed on the county's plan, meaning it will no longer be considered for federal funds.
By BILL VARIAN, Times Staff Writer
Published February 9, 2005

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TAMPA - First, Florida voters rescinded their earlier endorsement of a high-speed rail system to link the Tampa Bay area with Orlando.

Now, Hillsborough County transit officials have learned that their own flirtation with localized light rail has come off track.

"For now' is the appropriate qualifier," said Steven Polzin, a board member for Hillsborough Area Regional Transit.

The agency, which runs the county's bus system and trolley, has long hoped to add rail to its list.

The Federal Transit Administration has notified HARTline that the light rail proposal will not make a list of projects recommended to receive money for planning and construction. It's the third consecutive year that HARTline's light rail proposal has gotten a not recommended rating on the "Annual Report on New Starts."

With that third strike, HARTline's proposed light rail system will no longer be considered for future federal spending, FTA regional administrator Hiram Walker has informed the transit agency.

"In essence, we've lost our place in line," said Hillsborough Commissioner Kathy Castor, who sits on the HARTline board.

In the letter, Walker said HARTline has failed to secure a dedicated local money source to match with federal dollars. The agency also has been unable to provide reliable ridership projections or analysis of travel-time benefits for commuters.

Until it provides those assurances, it won't be considered for future money.

"The project is Not Recommended in FY2006 due to the absence of a current capital and operating financial plan to evaluate," Walker wrote. "Previously submitted plans demonstrated a lack of financial commitment to the project and a heavy reliance on the passage of a local sales tax referendum that has been continuously postponed."

HARTline officials say the letter essentially kills light rail in Hillsborough County any time in the near future. And it means the agency will focus more on improving bus service.

"We've got a lot of rebuilding to do at HARTline," said Castor. "We've got to start to foster trust in the HARTline administration."

Local elected officials have discussed building a light-rail system for more than a decade. Over time, a large-scale system was pared to a much smaller 20.1-mile network, with estimated costs to build it at $1.46 billion, a price that includes park-and-ride lots, 26 stations and 34 light-rail cars.

HARTline was seeking federal money to pay for half of those costs, said Jill Cappadoro, director of public relations for the agency.

The proposed system would have included one leg running out of downtown, through Ybor City to north of the University of South Florida. A second spoke would have run roughly west out of downtown along Kennedy Boulevard to West Shore Boulevard. There was another link to Tampa International Airport.

But the proposal drew a sharp dividing line among politicians, with many conservatives vehemently opposing it. Hillsborough commissioners, for instance, have twice considered a series of tax and fee increases to pay for transportation projects.

Both efforts died, and light rail failed to even make the list of projects that could get money had they passed. So the system has languished on a long-term list of transportation "needs" by the Hillsborough Metropolitan Planning Organization and wasn't slated to be built for another two decades.

The agency has recently come under question for alleged financial irregularities. Its pursuit of light-rail was perceived by some conservative Hillsborough commissioners as disregard for public will.

Polzin, vice chairman of HARTline and director of transportation research at the Center for Urban Transportation Research, said the transit agency has arguably spent too much time on an idea that clearly lacks broad political support. He said HARTline should spend more effort on improving bus ridership, which is showing gains.

Polzin said some of his fellow board members feel bad about the news - that failing to pursue rail will one day relegate Tampa to second-class status among major cities.

"There are others who feel like the public is probably not there right now and that we're prudent to move on to solutions that make more sense at this point in time," he said. "I'm personally in the camp that we have spent too much time on something that is perhaps too visionary."

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matttampa
February 9th, 2005, 04:32 PM
^OMG! 20 years!? This is so pathetic! We will be the size of the current Miami metro in 20 years probably, and they think it is to visionary?! This is scary!

sarasotan
February 9th, 2005, 06:11 PM
well, its not the end of the light rail issue for ever. im sure future state and federal governments will be friendlier to transit and we can secure funding at that time, say in 2020 so that it can open by 2040. that way it'll only be an extra forty years of congestion and economic stagantion.

Jasonhouse
February 9th, 2005, 06:30 PM
Unfuckingbelievable.

smiley
February 9th, 2005, 07:18 PM
No big surprise here. I am actually surprised that they somehow got on the list. There is clearly no desire on the part of the county to do anything, so nothing will get done. You snnoze, you lose. Why not send a lot of letters to the Trib (and Times), but the Trib has more weight in Tampa politics.

Dale
February 9th, 2005, 08:31 PM
If not light rail, then what are the prospects for commuter rail ?

John F
February 9th, 2005, 10:29 PM
Jim Sebesta is trying to do all things commuter here with a Pinellas County aviation authority in coordination with the HCAA andf some additional cooperation between TIA and St. Pete / Clearwater...

And he wants to get rail going in the area.... Badly.

Dale
February 9th, 2005, 10:31 PM
Sounds like you folks are about where we are in Orlando: no light-rail for now but furious plans for a starter commuter-line.

BRobinson
February 10th, 2005, 01:07 AM
WTF!!!... at our present growth we'll easily be at 4-5 Million by 2040. i already spend 10 hours a week in the damn car to and from work :soapbox:

multifamilyinvestor
February 10th, 2005, 03:28 AM
The new Bush budget is cutting light rail funding for everyone. Raleigh-Durham's (1/2 the size of the Tampa metro) rail project has been rated as recommended for the last two years. The Triangle Transit Authority has procured matching local funds and has already begun laying tracks. They already have a contract with United Transit Systems to buy 32 Diesel Multiple Units. The trains were scheduled to run in 2007. Developers have already bought land around the planned stations and PUDs have been approved including a large development called Triangle Metro Center.

Now the feds just yanked the money right out from under them. Bush is putting pressure on all agencies to cut back funding, not just the FTA. Even with the proposed cuts we still have record budget deficits. So they either need to cut back funding, or raise taxes and we all know Bush isn't going to raise taxes.

I don't imagine that there will be any new major funding for light rail for a long while.

John F
February 10th, 2005, 05:28 AM
WHy fund rail when you are fighting wars for oil anyway? Doesn't help the Auto lobby if people stop driving!

:rolleyes:

I'll shut up - politics are politics and this isn't a forum for that...

Agent Orange
February 10th, 2005, 07:19 PM
Disheartening, but I'm not surpised at all.

Speaking of Sebesta though, I did like his idea of heavy rail from Citrus to Sarasota and linking up to Pinellas. I'd much rather have my tax money pay for that than a new beltway out in the middle of nowhere. I'm sure the feds would love to throw money at that though.

Lakelander
February 10th, 2005, 08:44 PM
This isn't suprising, since the light rail plans have always seemed like a pipe dream. Hopefully the commuter rail thing will work out.

Jasonhouse
February 10th, 2005, 09:19 PM
Well something had better work out, else this metro is going to be a congested shithole 20 years from now.

samsonyuen
February 10th, 2005, 09:50 PM
That sucks! I hope something materializes sometime soon for railless cities.

Dale
February 10th, 2005, 10:09 PM
BRT - Bus Rapid Transit ?

Renkinjutsushi
February 10th, 2005, 10:15 PM
^ :lol: speeding buses....I would love to race with them :jk:

Dale
February 10th, 2005, 10:54 PM
Nowadays BRT is sexier than light rail, and evidentally more affordable.

Lakelander
February 10th, 2005, 11:06 PM
Maybe Tampa should look into purchasing the right-of-way for this light rail system and use it as BRT until the money becomes available to upgrade to light rail. At this point, the city will be better off with BRT, in the short term, then waiting another 20 -30 years for a starter light rail system.

Dale
February 10th, 2005, 11:59 PM
Lakelander, don't you have some renderings of Jacksonville's BRT ?

ATampaArnold
February 11th, 2005, 04:25 AM
Once again these transportation cutbacks show the lack of vision some of our leaders have. We cannot keep widening roads. The leaders tend to try to fix problems instead of preventing them although prevention of problems is always cheaper in the long run.

Lakelander
February 11th, 2005, 04:41 AM
Lakelander, don't you have some renderings of Jacksonville's BRT ?

These pics aren't of Jax's system, but they do resemble what the system is planned to be.

http://www.mta.net/trans_planning/cpd/midcity/wilshire_brt/images/wilshire_brt.jpg

http://www.gobrt.org/eugene.jpg

I know many are against BRT & I'll be the first to admit that light rail is a better option. However BRT may be something we need to take a serious look at in our metro areas, since our state and federal government seem to be against rail.

I don't even want to imagine what traffic will look like in Tampa, 30 years from now, with no light or heavy rail system established. Its time to study the alternatives, in the Bay area, and purchase right-of-way now, before the city becomes built out, more congested and the land prices rise to the point where its too expensive to even consider mass transit.

Dale
February 11th, 2005, 05:27 AM
See Mom, no wires !

sarasotan
February 11th, 2005, 10:30 PM
so how does BRT move? is it gas powered or underground electric?

Dale
February 11th, 2005, 10:33 PM
I guess my question would be why is light rail better than something like BRT ?

Jasonhouse
February 12th, 2005, 12:44 AM
BRT usually operates on its own fuel not electricity. I assume most systems are diesel or CNG (or propane).

SDK4
February 12th, 2005, 03:55 PM
One city that could use a BRT system in a couple of years is Sarasota. Traffic on US 41 and Bee Ridge Road during rush hour can be terrible. There is no more room to expand these roads and with new homes going up out east in Lakewood Ranch and points south of it, Sarasota will be one big gridlock by 2010. A new bypass to the interstate from dt might work but as other people have said, it will not happen in Sarasota.

Jasonhouse
February 12th, 2005, 05:48 PM
Yep, Sarasota will have some pretty serious traffic problems in only a few years as well... During the rushes, US41, US301, Fruitville and University all suck major ass. (as well as several other smaller roads)

Renkinjutsushi
February 12th, 2005, 06:05 PM
^ God I hated driving Fruitville getting to Sarasota from I75....

Now I also hate driving to Orlando where there is an almost single continuous contruction.

Jasonhouse
February 28th, 2005, 05:30 AM
Don't worry, Tampa will suck royal goatballs in about a year or two, when the Links project is in full swing.



I don't understand why St Pete doesn't do like a trolley or something DT. The old folks would be swarming on that thing.

Jasonhouse
February 28th, 2005, 05:34 AM
btw, that BRT featured above is bad ass. That would be a great option for Bayshore, if Tampa ever did such a thing. They could even use it as the excuse to get rid of two lanes and lower the speed limit, like alot of folks wanted.