Although Portugal has begun the process of building brand new bullet-like high speed lines (TGV), the older ones have also been rebuilt with new, almost high speed trains (180km/h).

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What are those things that look like Wing Mirrors?

What are those things that look like Wing Mirrors?

They are what they look. :P

I have to say one thing: The top speed of those trains is 220 km/h, and they do run at that speed in some parts of the line.

Some more info: the train is a tilting train. The tilting mechanism makes it able to run faster through curves. The train was derived from the Italian Pendolino, developed by the rail division of FIAT (which was later taken over by Alstom).

This family of trains is very popular with European rail operators. Here they are from various operators:

Trenitalia (Italy):
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/it/electric/emu/ETR460/96II-23.jpg

Cisalpino (rail services Italy-Switzerland-Germany):
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ch/private/Cisalpino/Switzerland-misc/Cisalpino_Brig1.jpg

RENFE-Alaris (Spain):
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/es/electric/emu/490/Vila-real/490-1771.jpg

RENFE-AVE (Spain):
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/es/electric/emu/104/AVE-104_001c.jpg

SZ (Slovakia):
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/si/electric/emu/310/Ljubljana/310_001_Lj.jpg

CD (Czechia):
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/cz/electric/emu/680/680ch04.jpg

VR (Finland):
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/fi/electric/emu/Sm3-S220/Sm3_Salo.jpg

They are what they look. :P

So they can do 3-point turns? :crazy:

Why on Earth would a train need wing mirrors?

Just a guess... in some countries the conductor or station supervisor gives a manual departure signal to the driver, by waving or holding up a sign. Perhaps those mirrors allow the driver to see it without having to get out of his seat?

They must be there for a reason. ;)

SZ (Slovakia)

Sorry, but this is wrong.
It's Slovenia, not Slovakia.
The national railway company of Slovakia is ZSR.

Sorry, you're right, I meant Slovenia. Those names are so much alike. ;)

BTW, Slovakia also ordered Pendolino trainsets. They will be the same as the ones delivered to the Czech railways.

:) Happens to the best!!

six new railway stations will be inaugurated next year. I'll post pics as soon as I get them.

Many countries have opted for this model. Portugal did well I think in getting them.

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The Alfa pendular is being put into service between Lisbon and Porto, correct? Is this meant to be THE high speed rail link between the two cities, or will their be a standard gauge railway that will part of the high speed rail network between the two cities. In other words, is Alfa pendula in the short run (20-30 years) option being used to increase the speeds of services until a new standard gauge service connected with the Spanish and European high speed rail networks is constructed?

The Alfa pendular is being put into service between Lisbon and Porto, correct? Is this meant to be THE high speed rail link between the two cities, or will their be a standard gauge railway that will part of the high speed rail network between the two cities. In other words, is Alfa pendula in the short run (20-30 years) option being used to increase the speeds of services until a new standard gauge service connected with the Spanish and European high speed rail networks is constructed?

The Alfa pendular is on operations for some years now. It's top speed is 220km/h but it's only reached in short sections...

As for the TGV, there are plans to built a new line, but nothing concrete by now.

http://www.moptc.pt/docs/imagens/CP_GareOriente01_Large.jpg

Some more info: the train is a tilting train. The tilting mechanism makes it able to run faster through curves. The train was derived from the Italian Pendolino, developed by the rail division of FIAT (which was later taken over by Alstom).

This family of trains is very popular with European rail operators. Here they are from various operators:

Trenitalia (Italy):
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/it/electric/emu/ETR460/96II-23.jpg

Cisalpino (rail services Italy-Switzerland-Germany):
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/ch/private/Cisalpino/Switzerland-misc/Cisalpino_Brig1.jpg

RENFE-Alaris (Spain):
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/es/electric/emu/490/Vila-real/490-1771.jpg

RENFE-AVE (Spain):
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/es/electric/emu/104/AVE-104_001c.jpg

SZ (Slovakia):
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/si/electric/emu/310/Ljubljana/310_001_Lj.jpg

CD (Czechia):
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/cz/electric/emu/680/680ch04.jpg

VR (Finland):
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/fi/electric/emu/Sm3-S220/Sm3_Salo.jpg

It's been bought by Ansaldobreda (Finmeccanica group)

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are these refurbished ones or are they brand new Paulo? They're very nice!

High speed is 250km/h or more!
180km/h is NOT high speed...
;)

High speed is 250km/h or more!
180km/h is NOT high speed...
;)

? - who said that?

The international association of railways (UIC) holds this defenition of "high speed rail":

200+ km/h on upgraded existing lines
250+ km/h on newly built lines

But of course defenitions may differ.

yup is trew!!

.....

So they can do 3-point turns? :crazy:

Why on Earth would a train need wing mirrors?

Well, they are very useful to me as i operate single manned trains and with mirrors i can supervise passenger entrance/exit from my seat. However, they are most usefull as they allow me to control the rear of the train for things such as obstacle clearance, end of speed restrictions, problems with brakes(just find the smoke). Fools were the british that didn't use them on their railways. nowadays even EWS is fitting them to their class 66 locomotives.

Because of the new economic and legal context, CP underwent a profound change in adapting towards the market. It organized itself into Business Units that were able to satisfy the needs of the different market segments.


It has invested in partnerships that add value to its services for the customer and strengthen its position in the transport sector.

At the same time, it has invested in retraining its human resources and tried to make how it faces new challenged more effective in a competitive market place.

Current Structure

CP (Caminhos de Ferro de Portugal) is currently organised into seven Business Units:

Freight Transport– CP Carga
Urban services– CP Lisboa; CP Porto
Long-distance services- CP Longo Curso; CP Regional
Fleet management
High Speed

133 million passengers and 9.5 million tonnes of freight were carried in 2004, over the 2830 kilometres of the network.

The Urban Units are especially important since they represent 87% of all the passengers carried.

Alpha Services - Speed train.

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Intercity Services
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Regional Services
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Future Project: The Portuguese High speed train
The Portuguese High Speed Network will be a fast rail transport service linking major urban hubs with a high quality, reliable service in terms of its component parts and mobility as a whole.

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Looks good. Are Portugese railways the same wide gauge as Spain?

nice trains

Grrrr! Why does every other country in Europe seem to have better-maintained and more modern railways than we do?

I know its largely cosmetic but most of our railways seem to have filthy ballast infested with weeds and a lot of wooden sleepers still.

Great pics, Portugal must have come a long way.

Looks good. Are Portugese railways the same wide gauge as Spain?

Yes.

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Great pics Paulo, the portuguese train fleet rocks!!!...now.:D

Portugal's Speed Train and the fastest, for now.

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Here are some pictures I took a couple of weeks ago around Lisbon

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Regards

Wouter van der Brugghen

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nice pics!!

Thanks brugghen. :)

Grrrr! Why does every other country in Europe seem to have better-maintained and more modern railways than we do?

I know its largely cosmetic but most of our railways seem to have filthy ballast infested with weeds and a lot of wooden sleepers still.

Great pics, Portugal must have come a long way.
It seems like Portugal's infrastructure projects are paid for by the EU. I'm not completely sure but this sounds reasonable to me.

Well, Norways railservice aint that good neither. The English seems better in lots of cases.

For this thread.. I love Portugals transit systems.. its got everything.. trains, rails, trams, subways etc

very impressive..

muito obrigado

It seems like Portugal's infrastructure projects are paid for by the EU. I'm not completely sure but this sounds reasonable to me.

Yes, "it seems" but it's not entirely so and these statements can sometimes mislead people!

EU budget for Portugal is far lower than that attributed to other european nations, like Spain for example. More, EU contibutes with only 20% of the total cost of these projects!!!! Also, some of the projects are totally financed by portugal's own budget. Our annual budget is far better than most other european countries imagine.

Also bear in mind what Portugal offers in return for these monetary compensations, like killing off our own agriculture to compensate France's and England's already well-off farmers.

For all information on travelling in Portugal by train/subways, visit:

CP - Caminhos de Ferro Portugueses (http://www.cp.pt/cp/displayPage.do?vgnextoid=87cbd5abe2a74010VgnVCM1000007b01a8c0RCRD)

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Grrrr! Why does every other country in Europe seem to have better-maintained and more modern railways than we do?

I know its largely cosmetic but most of our railways seem to have filthy ballast infested with weeds and a lot of wooden sleepers still.

Great pics, Portugal must have come a long way.
Reminds me when I travelled around europe by train, on the way back we went to Geneva airport on this smooth fast tilting train. When arriving back at Gatwick we were greeted by
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gb/electric/emu-dc/421/Connex/1850-mt.jpg
really was a contrast :runaway:

im really envious of the railways over there, double deck trains.. ones that actually turn up on time ... :sleepy:

Reminds me when I travelled around europe by train, on the way back we went to Geneva airport on this smooth fast tilting train. When arriving back at Gatwick we were greeted by
really was a contrast :runaway:

im really envious of the railways over there, double deck trains.. ones that actually turn up on time ... :sleepy:

I'm sure there will also be an upgrade of trains there soon.

Orient Railway / Metro station in Lisbon

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Orient Railway / Metro station in Lisbon

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Beautiful!!
:drool:
On eof my favourite train stations in the world.
:yes:
ThankS
:wink2:

Interesting looking rail network.
Nice to see it is modern :)
What other cities have suburban rail/tram systems?

Interesting looking rail network.
Nice to see it is modern :)
What other cities have suburban rail/tram systems?

In portugal, besides Lisbon we have them in Porto and Mirandela. Soon we will have them in Coimbra too. The city of Aveiro has a project but it's still deep in the drawer.

Modernization of Portugal's railways lines continues:

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The construction of high speed rail links connecting Lisbon with Madrid and with Porto, due to be operational by 2013, is estimated to cost around 7.2 bln eur, the Portuguese press reported, citing a government study. The construction of the Lisbon-Madrid link is expected to cost the Portuguese side 2.2 bln eur, while the Lisbon-Porto line is expected to cost almost 5 bln eur, the daily Publico reported.

Portugal will build five new high speed railways by 2018, including four which will connect to neighbouring Spain. Total cost amounts to €12,5bn. Construction will start 2006 and trip times from Lisbon and Oporto to Madrid will be reduced to three hours.

Although Portugal has begun the process of building brand new bullet-like high speed lines (TGV), the older ones have also been rebuilt with new, high speed trains (180km/h).

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Nice trains, and what a diversity too!

Grrrr! Why does every other country in Europe seem to have better-maintained and more modern railways than we do?

I want my money back!Rebate! Rebate! Portugal received quite a bit from (EEC) EU funds.

Rebate! Rebate! Portugal received quite a bit from (EEC) EU funds.

Yes, quite a bit. It gave back much more I believe, such as less fisheries and agriculture production which has lead to many bankrupt farmers. Portugal doesn't receive a fraction of what other european nations receive in agriculture finance subsidies.

Yes, that's sad! The CAP doesn't work for small farms. I have no remorse over the money from other EU members that went into building the Portugal railway network. It allowed for Calatrava's works which I greatly admire :okay:

Yes, that's sad! The CAP doesn't work for small farms. I have no remorse over the money from other EU members that went into building the Portugal railway network. It allowed for Calatrava's works which I greatly admire :okay:

:okay:

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Cascais line.

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Interesting. What are all those branch lines diverting from the main line in the south of the city?

these are bus lines that bring people to the railway stations (alimendadores or so)

these are bus lines that bring people to the railway stations (alimendadores or so)

That's true.

yup correct :yes:

Rebate! Rebate! Portugal received quite a bit from (EEC) EU funds.


Do the words CAP and Rebate ring a bell?

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Sintra Line

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^^^ Love that part of the station. I take it is open again.

Have they got around to redeveloping the shopping area of the station? One of the entrances was magnificent, the main shed is lovely, but the shopping and back entrance were atrocious?

The Rossio station (and the tunnel) isn't open yet.
"Optimistic" predictions say that it will open later this year (September)

Let's hope so.

Has Santa Apolonia main station been refurbished after 1998?
:?
It is last time I saw it...
:dunno:
Is the metro arriving there now?
:?
Any photos, please?
:wink2:
Muito obrigado!!
:bowtie:

i love them all :D

Has Santa Apolonia main station been refurbished after 1998?
:?
It is last time I saw it...
:dunno:
Is the metro arriving there now?
:?
Any photos, please?
:wink2:
Muito obrigado!!
:bowtie:

Yes it has.

The subway will probably reach Stª Apolonia Station during 2007.

Has Santa Apolonia main station been refurbished after 1998?
:?
It is last time I saw it...
:dunno:
Is the metro arriving there now?
:?
Any photos, please?
:wink2:
Muito obrigado!!
:bowtie:

Yes it has.

The subway will probably reach Stª Apolonia Station during 2007.

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Reminds me when I travelled around europe by train, on the way back we went to Geneva airport on this smooth fast tilting train. When arriving back at Gatwick we were greeted by
http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gb/electric/emu-dc/421/Connex/1850-mt.jpg
really was a contrast :runaway:

im really envious of the railways over there, double deck trains.. ones that actually turn up on time ... :sleepy:

Nope. It looks great! I love UK trains. Canadian railway system is terrible for our size.

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cool :)

sometimes I use the train in the first pic :yes:

There are no pics and no news about narrow gauge lines of Portugal. What is the future for this lines?

it will be constructed TGV in the near future. the main lines are

Porto - Lisboa
Lisboa - Madrid
Porto - Vigo

there are also secondary lines that wasn't well decided yet.

but there are links between Aveiro and Faro with spain

^^You need direct links:
Porto-BCN
Lisboa-BCN
:D

Porto/BCN by Vigo :D

bitxofo... there will have Porto Madrid Via Aveiro (small city near Porto) at least they're planning to construct that tgv line...

^^Yes, but we want Porto-BCN non stop!!
:D

HAHAHHA yeah ofcourse.. we want Maglev Porto-BCN with no stop neither in Madrid :D:D:D:D

^^Good idea!!
:colgate:
The line can be:
Lisboa-Porto-BCN
:D :D

the impossible line :(

^^Why?
:pet:

LOL just a feeling :D ehehehe

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^^Very nice trains!^^
:wink2:

^^Very nice trains!^^
:wink2:

Most are new ones.

I repeated my question:

There are no pics and no news about narrow gauge lines of Portugal. What is the future for this lines?

Any news?

:uh: that train in the 3 pic runs in the line between Braga and Porto correct? :?

I repeated my question:



Any news?

nothing for now :dunno: except that they are made studies about the tracing of the lines and land expropriations to built the lines amoung Lisbon/Badajoz, Lisbon/Porto and Porto/Vigo, only in the end of the next decade we have norrow gauge lines!!

^^ I don't ask for the high speed lines. I refered to the lines who have a 1.000 mm gauge, like this:

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Or a CP narrow gauge line:

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Any notices for this lines?

:uh: that train in the 3 pic runs in the line between Braga and Porto correct? :?

Probably. And so do other trains like this one to other towns and cities.

we dont have that lines with 1.000 mm UT :dunno:

bom dia arpels :D

yeah that yellow trains are the transports for Urban Train Class in Porto. The ones that links the main urban areas near Porto Region. Braga, Guimarães, Marco de Canavezes and Aveiro. All of them starts in Sao Bento Station in Porto.

Trains for far cities [Surban Train Class] like Coimbra, Lisbon or Faro starts in Campanhã Station, in Porto.

The portuguese railway system is really good!

I used the alpha train, the speddy one, to travel to Porto and was really good!

I used Porto's and Lisbon's systems and they are really good!

I like the way as they had kept parts of the old stations incorporated in the new buildings, in some cases had kept some archeologic findings in the new structures, a exemple is the Pre Roman baths they found during the workmanships of constrution of the new station in Braga, the baths now are displayed to public see it inside the station:
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Very true Arpels.

we dont have that lines with 1.000 mm UT :dunno:

Actualy we do have some leftovers of the 1 metre gauge system yet on active duty. ;)

Let me see:

Electrico de Sintra-Atlantico:
Sintra-colares-Praia das maças
its a TRAM line on the outsquirts of lisbon, and it's 1000mm gauge.
It's live and kicking ...
see: http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/pt/trams/Sintra-Atlantico/pix.html

Linha do Vouga (a.k.a. vouguinha)
Espinho-Ol.Azemeis-Sernada-Macinhata-Agueda-Aveiro
its a narrow gaugue (1000mm) suburban line , a while ago some talks about conversion to tram/pre.metro(broad/uic gaugue) were made but as it's run with suburban 9630 units it realy doesn't make a difference anyway:
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note: sernada-viseu part of the line is closed and dismantled , and viseu-santa.comba.dão (linha do dão) is also dismantled (actualy they are making a ecopista in the line right of way).

North of Douro metric system

Porto-S.Hora-Povoa is now a tram line of "metro do porto". The stretch Povoa-Famalicão is abbandoned.

Porto-S.Hora-Trofa is also a tram line of mp , the line actualy only reaches maia(?) but its planned to go all the way to Trofa

Trofa-Lousado-Famalicão was dual gauge (iberica+metrica) and was removed a wile back and now only broad iberica gauge.

Lousado-guimarães was rebitoled to broad gaugue and is part of CP Porto suburban network (with the yellow trains and IC to lisboa)

On Douro line

Livração-Amarante-ArcoDeBaulhe is capped at Livração-Amarante and is run with "red" diesel LRV 9500

Regua-V.real-Chaves is capped at Regua-V.real and is also run with "red" LRV9500

Tua-Mirandela-Bragança is capped at Tua-Mirandela anda Mirandela-Carvalhais , being run by "metro de mirandela" a little "metro" partnershib between mirandela city council and CP , they use "green" LRV9500

The rest of those lines and the hole lenght of sabor line (pocinho-duas.Igrejas) were cleared of the tracks and are now simply awaiting for ppl to begin using them as roads and backyard's. :nuts:

Every One and other metro system in portugal is now closed.

As Alpers sayd , there are plans to turn the vouga system area in a vast network of TGV style lines, and also some lines from porto to galicia are to be built. :D

^^ This is the answer who are founding about narrow gauge in Portugal. Thanks!

I, love the design of the Braga station, very cool.

Oooh! Luv CP's logo!

Although Portugal has begun the process of building brand new bullet-like high speed lines (TGV), the older ones have also been rebuilt with new, almost high speed trains (180km/h).

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This train is able to reach up to 220 km/h so it's an high speed train.

^^Depending on the average speed in a journey.
;)

CP Alfa Pendular runs (presently) at 224km/h

It's planned (and prepared) to run at 250km/h in new porposedly bilt tracks in the near (or not) future ... :cheers:

CP Alfa Pendular runs (presently) at 224km/h

It's planned (and prepared) to run at 250km/h in new porposedly bilt tracks in the near (or not) future ... :cheers:

^^That's top speed, not average speed.
;)

Tua-Mirandela-Bragança is capped at Tua-Mirandela anda Mirandela-Carvalhais , being run by "metro de mirandela" a little "metro" partnershib between mirandela city council and CP , they use "green" LRV9500



Hi

I'm looking for more details about this Metro de Mirandela. I know it started runing after the line to Braganca was closed.

Has somebody any information or map with the stations of this short line?

Obrigado
:)

Location:Sete Rios - near Lisbon

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Location: Aveiro Train Station, Portugal

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very nice futurinstic and artistic indeed ! but one question..

Where is Portugl ?

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"Location:Sete Rios - IN Lisbon"

Connections with the express buses terminal and Jardim Zoológico metro station.

Thanks.

True.

here you can see some videos about trains that we have in portugal:

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Entrecampos. Lisbon.
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Rossio. Lisbon.
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So how fast are the new highspeed trains going to be?

How much will a round trip Faro -> Lisbon cost? How long will it take?

So how fast are the new highspeed trains going to be?

How much will a round trip Faro -> Lisbon cost? How long will it take?

Faro-lisbon - 3 hours with the highspeed train, although the lines in this section due not permit these trains to reach maximum speed.- cost = €19.50

There are also the Intercity trains - 3 hours and a half - cost= €18.00

Siemens 4700

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Faro-lisbon - 3 hours with the highspeed train, although the lines in this section due not permit these trains to reach maximum speed.- cost = €19.50

There are also the Intercity trains - 3 hours and a half - cost= €18.00

Highspeed? in Portugal? If im not wrong, they are constructing first highspeed line (Madrid-lisbon) and it isnt finished yet

Highspeed? in Portugal? If im not wrong, they are constructing first highspeed line (Madrid-lisbon) and it isnt finished yet

it's not highspeed. I hope you understand my portuguese:

1- velocidade convencional: máx 160km/h

2- velocidade elevada: from 160km/h to 250km/h max- tilting trains are the most used in this kind.

3- alta-velocidade: TGV, AVE, etc... from 250km/h to 350km/h and more...

in portugal we just have the first two. The highspeed is still in project.

good, but do you know how many locomotives portugese railways bought?

15 locomotives (it will be used on freight trains)

CP LE 4701-4725
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15 locomotives ordered 01.2006, with an option for 10 more locomotives
delivery 08.2008 - 02.2009
option awarded per 02.2007

main technical details
manufacturer - Siemens AG Transportation Systems
product name - EuroSprinter ES46F1
product description - asynchrone electric freight locomotive
top speed - 140 kph
power system - 25kV AC
axles / wheel-arrangement - 4 / Bo´Bo´
weight - 87 t
track gauge - 1668 mm (Iberian) (and 1435 mm (normal))
power rating - 4600 kW
starting traction effort - 300 kN
source: http://www.railcolor.net/

^^ thanks!!!

They look very nice ;)

very nice futurinstic and artistic indeed ! but one question..

Where is Portugl ?


You go straight ahead to Americas ... go all the way up until United States District ... fooloy the yellow brick road until you find the "I luv NY" sign ... and its on the other side of the road.

:bash:

If you are looking from within europe ... it's the foremost left rectangle ... its the "face" of Europe (Spain being the hair). :P

So how fast are the new highspeed trains going to be?

How much will a round trip Faro -> Lisbon cost? How long will it take?

IC is the best bang for the Buck ... you can go to the last coach when you pass over the river tajo ... and if you are usin the retun ticket I would recommend going Faro Lx on Alfa Pendular (lever quite early in the morning from faro at 6h30?) and returning on the evening IC(19h).

Highspeed? in Portugal? If im not wrong, they are constructing first highspeed line (Madrid-lisbon) and it isnt finished yet

Finished ? not a stone droppend to mark the spot ... :D

it's not highspeed. I hope you understand my portuguese:

1- velocidade convencional: máx 160km/h
2- velocidade elevada: from 160km/h to 250km/h max- tilting trains are the most used in this kind.
3- alta-velocidade: TGV, AVE, etc... from 250km/h to 350km/h and more...

in portugal we just have the first two. The highspeed is still in project.

^^ we have 2 basic tipes of electrified tracks ...

one tipe is used on NON segregated track UIC54 rail on concrete/wooden sleepers and contact wire is finetuned for <140kmh running
the other is used on segregated track and consists of mainly heavier UIC60 rail on concrete sleepers and contact wire is finetuned to allow heavier (22.5/25ton) 100kmh freight trains and at the same time express trains at 220kmh
... and the Alfa Pendular units can go all the way up to 250km/h (or more) ... but are limited by signaling and tracks to 224km/h (220kmh line limit +4kmh of CONVEL tolerance).
there are about some 100 or 200km of double track thas could be easily changed to 250kmh or even 300kmh running ... namely the 4 tracks out of lisbon and the South line stetches from coina-p.novo-poceirao and grandola-ermidas-t.vã , and some short sections of the renewed part of north line could also permit higher speeds ...

But as in lisboa-porto some major sections of new line are needed they decided to built the HSL from scratch and stop the current upgrading program ... wich was becoming more like an urban redeveloplment plane (of all the towns and villages arround the line) than an line upgrade.

Basicaly what separates a 220kmh double track line from a 350km+100kmh 3/4 track is COST and DEMAND ... for instance North line is too saturated to alow the pendulinos to run at full speed in the middle of all the traffic and south line doen't even need to be duplicated.

^^

¿?

I can´t understad nothing

You go straight ahead to Americas ... go all the way up until United States District ... fooloy the yellow brick road until you find the "I luv NY" sign ... and its on the other side of the road.

:bash:

If you are looking from within europe ... it's the foremost left rectangle ... its the "face" of Europe (Spain being the hair). :P

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Highspeed? in Portugal? If im not wrong, they are constructing first highspeed line (Madrid-lisbon) and it isnt finished yet

I didn't (OBVIOUSLY) mean bullet-like trains. I meant fast speed, up to 230km more or less.

The highspeed train in Portugal is still in project, but will be a reality soon.

^^EU says HS railways run at 200kph or more.
:yes:

Photos by
José Chambel Cardoso (*1958, Lisbon, Portugal) and José Manuel Antunes (*1953, Moscavide, Portugal) - freelance photographers.

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At Sacavem Railway Station
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At Alverca Station
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At Barreiro Station
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At Santa Apolónia Satation
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old Portugal's Railways stuff waiting in buenos aires Port!

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^^ Great photo!!

Nice.

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Photos by Daniel Costa-Lourenço:

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The new Arentim Station:

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The new Guimarães Station:

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The future Campanhã Station (Porto)

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Estarreja Station
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Photos by Smeagol:

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nice pictures!!

nice pictures!!

I think so too. Here are a few more.

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That's a nice looking station ^^:righton:

That's a nice looking station ^^:righton:

:righton:

Great looking stations!!

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wow! Where is this?

It's Oriente Station by Calatrava. It is in a relative new part of the city built for the Expo 1998 in the west part of Lisbon. It is a train, bus and subway station. It is also a major hub that connects to the suburban areas of Lisbon and also to the North and South of Portugal.

It is expected in 2010 to connect, by subway, to the airport.

Before this was built, this part of Lisbon was an industrial, dirty area.

LISBON - The government's proposed 7.7 bln eur development of two TGV high-speed rail lines in Portugal will create 100,000 jobs from 2010 to 2012, the peak years of the construction phase, Mario Lino, the public works, transport and communications minister, said at the launch of the project.

He wants 60 pct of the work to be contracted to domestic companies, for the rail, telecoms and ICT specialities and for the train interiors, Lusa newsagency reported.

Lino said he believes the increase in orders in the relevant sectors will lead to growth in the economy.

The government is prioritising the lines between Lisbon and Porto and between Lisbon and Madrid, because they offer better economic returns.

Construction of the Lisbon-Porto line will require investment of 4.7 bln eur and the Lisbon-Madrid link 3 bln, while rail components will cost another 600 mln and rolling stock 480 mln, according to Lino's projections.

The government estimates that the project will generate operating cash flow covering 38 pct of the investment and the EU will contribute 22 pct, leaving the government to find the remaining 40 pct, Lusa reported.

Diario Economico cited Lino as saying private companies are likely to fund 30-30 pct of the project.

The proposals are 'positive for most players' in the Portuguese construction sector and could also benefit Spanish companies, Bruno Almeida da Silva and Ana Horno of Banco BPI said in a note to clients.

'In our view, construction companies should benefit the most, with Mota Engil and Teixeira Duarte being the obvious winners and Cimpor and Semapa indirectly benefitting due to the expected uplift in cement consumption,' they said, adding that motorway operator Brisa 'could also have a role in the project'.

The high speed train is likely to directly compete with air connections between Porto and Lisbon, with air traffic estimated to be slashed by 40 pct, Da Silva and Horno said.

Yes!

nice trains!

Guarda's Railway Station

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Braga's Railway Station



Boas fotos Paulo, mas é a Guarda...

Boas fotos Paulo, mas é a Guarda...

Ofcourse. Thanks!!

nice pictures!!

Portuguese Alfa- The Best Ride I've Had!

Advantages: Very cheap, Very Comfortable, Very Fast
Disadvantages: Bit too fast to take in the scenery

Recommend to potential buyers: yes

Full review
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This is not a travelogue on Lisbon and Porto but a review of the Alfa Pendular high speed train service that runs between the two cities. Lisbon and Porto deserve at least a book each, their being two of the most picturesque and interesting cities on the Iberian peninsular.
On a simple level Lisbon (Lisboa) and Porto (Oporto) have the same relationship and rivalry as do London and Manchester in the UK. Lisbon is where the money and power of Portugal are centred, whereas Porto has traditionally been an industrial hub. In particular it is the centre of the textile industry just as Manchester was, and also Port wine production, as Manchester certainly has never been. The distance separating them is roughly the same; 350k (210 miles). Their football teams, especially Benfica and Porto FC are by far the most supported in Portugal and the rivalry between the two verges on hysteria.

The Portugal and England comparison stops as abruptly as an Arriva train however, when it comes to 21st century high speed trains between the two major cities. For over ten years there has been a high speed train service linking the two cities known as the Alfa Pendular. It is a sexy looking TGV clone built by Siemens of Germany, so you know it's going to work! Its top speed is 220 kph. This is of course around 125 mph, the speed our Intercity 125 trains rarely achieve. The Alfa does however but not for the whole journey, on average three quarters of it. I know this because each of the six carriages has a LCD display at both ends which show speed, temperature (inside and out), time and status of the service. There are as I said six carriages on each train, one of which is first class and the other five second. The last of those is the smoking carriage.
I used to travel on this train every weekend and have never found it to be anything but spotlessly clean on boarding. Second class is very comfortable using seating which resembles leather living room armchairs. Each carriage has sets of two seats on each side of the aisle facing both directions separated by four-seater table arrangements. There are televisions along the aisle roof which show painful Portuguese sitcoms with the odd promotional video for both cities. Headphones are provided. Two sets of toilets at each end are always clean. There is a buffet in the middle of the train although a trolley will come round about every half hour.

First class is very much the same as far as comfort and seating are concerned. There is more legroom. However the main difference is that you get stewardesses, free use of a phone, newspapers, coffee and the children are given complimentary games.
The Alfa is a tilting train and so gives a good ride……..as it were! The journey between the two cities varies from 2 hours 20 minutes to 3 hours depending on the stops.

We will begin our journey in Lisbon; probably the most likely for a tourist. If you're doing it the other way, just read backwards.
There are two stops in Lisbon. The first and most central, Santa Apollonia, is actually the most difficult to get to having no Metro station. The second, 10 minutes later, is Gare De Oriente which is served by the Metro. I recommend the latter. To get to Santa Apollonia you will have to catch a tram or a taxi.

Tickets must be bought in advance. This can be 10 minutes before, unless it is a rush hour service; 07.00 to 09.00 or 17.00 to 18.00. You will be allotted a specific seat and carriage which is shown on the ticket. You will be asked whether you want a single 'ida' (eeda) or a return 'ida e volta' (eedeevolta). You will also be asked if you want smoking 'fumador' (foomadoor) although I think this is due to be discontinued this year (2007).
Once seated after probably having had a brief argument with someone who either can't read or has their ticket upside down, sit back and enjoy the ride. It is a very comfortable train. I often used to get depressed on reaching my destination. This wasn't just because I was visiting my girlfriend!

Main stops on the fastest service are; Santarem-marshy fen like area where rice is grown, Coimbra-the Oxbridge of Portugal and very beautiful, Aveiro-known as the Venice of Portugal just because it has a few canals! The train also passes through Fatima, Portugal's Lourdes but don't blink or you'll miss it!
It's a smooth ride and there's plenty to see along the way, unless you buy wine from the trolley and crash out as I usually do.

The train arrives at Porto Campanha, which is not central. To get to the centre of Porto you will have to take a ten minute train ride Porto Sao Bento or a taxi. Taxis are very cheap by our standards and the trip to the centre shouldn't be more than 10 euros (£6.50).
This really is a cheap and excellent service and puts our high speed trains to shame. The Portuguese have had this high speed tilting train for over ten years and we are still running the poor old rusting125s.

Ticket prices vary according to promotions, days and hours of travel. Roughly speaking a single will be around 24 euros (£16.00) and a return 40 euros (£26.00).
Departures from Lisbon are every five minutes to the hour from 05.55 to 20.55.

Departures from Porto are every fifteen minutes past the hour from 07.15 to 21.15.
Sunday service; forget the two earliest from both ends.

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/pt/electric/emu/pendoluso/misc/4001_Carregado2006_2_.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/pt/electric/emu/pendoluso/misc/Sacavem_02.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/pt/electric/emu/pendoluso/misc/Paialvo_017.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/pt/electric/emu/pendoluso/misc/Aguas_Moura_143.jpg

Source: http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/pt/electric/emu/pendoluso/misc/pix.html

New Aveiro Station (central Portugal - on the coast)

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2238/2302841544_a8d5dc49d3_b.jpg

The urban transit in lisboa is open 24/7:

CP Lisboa Urbanos (comuter/urban trains ... should be classed as a subway/metro system actualy) an


Metropolitano de Lisboa(subway/Underground) operates continuously from 6h30 until 1hxx of the next day (1st train at 6h30 and last train at 1h00 ... see Rede da Madrugada below)

Carris LRT (route E15) runs from 5h00 to 24h00

Transtejo and Soflusa (ferryboats) run from 5h00 until 2h30 (first and last departures)
^^ frequencies of one ferry/catamaran each 5 minutes in peak times (maiby the only water metropolitan in the world? carrying some 150.000 daily passengers)

Carris Day Buses and other tram routes run from somewhere around 5h00/5h30 up to 21h00/23h00

Rede da Madrugada (night network) runs at half hour intervals from 00h untill 6h30 with most routes following the metropolitano routes.

Basicaly the underground ahs to shut down during the night due to the regular maintenance but most importantly due to the current upgrade work (they are doubling the network and reconstructing/enlarging most of the old stations nowadays).


EDIT: (I broke the link due to it being a large map):

The night network:

http://www.carris.pt/downloads/Rede%20Madrugada.jpg
http://www.carris.pt/downloads/Rede%20Madrugada.jpg_


(to be further edited)

Siemens

cp 4700

photo:
http://bp0.blogger.com/_sxl6IpBNopU/SE8O8dIKldI/AAAAAAAADFM/K6akOsLrjEI/s1600-h/emef+loco+4702.jpg

http://www.photorails.eu/imagens/satuch20.jpg

Source: http://www.photorails.eu/blog/?page_id=18 by J. Chambel C.

http://www.photorails.eu/imagens/rossioch5.jpg

http://www.photorails.eu/imagens/rossioch3.jpg

http://www.photorails.eu/imagens/rossioch2.jpg

http://www.photorails.eu/imagens/rossioch1.jpg

Rossio station looks wonderful :okay:

good quality:

http://www.rave.pt/Portals/0/ApresentacoesPublicas/Filmes/Filmes_area_envolvente/EO_Anim_Virtual_vc.mpg

youtube vídeo, by portuguese forumer j0ny:

mwD7gttXnnw

Porto CCO (operational command centre):
controls all railways north of the douro River.

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/3844/cco010nl6.jpg

http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/1976/cco015ov4.jpg

are those trains suburban or regional trains?
http://static.flickr.com/9/14514340_93fdf2bf10.jpg?v=0

are those trains suburban or regional trains?
http://static.flickr.com/9/14514340_93fdf2bf10.jpg?v=0

suburban, but some of them are used for some major distances I think...

are those trains suburban or regional trains?
http://static.flickr.com/9/14514340_93fdf2bf10.jpg?v=0

technicaly they are called "urbanos" ... but to Porto they are suburban trains ... to us city folks they are better callled "deep countryside rgional". :bash:

is Portugese HST produced by Spanish CAF?

I think they are italian... (Fiat ? ) the design is from Giugiaro

is the railway the dominant intercity transportation in Portugal?

new locomotives

http://img505.imageshack.us/img505/3182/mg9404zw6.jpg

http://transportesemfotos.googlepages.com/DCP_4783.JPG/DCP_4783-full;init:.JPG

is the railway the dominant intercity transportation in Portugal?

The answer is no. In fact, bus transportation is more dominant. the exception is to Lisbon and Porto Metropolitan areas, where the railway transport is very used!

like us, bus is dominant and Ankara-Istanbul is active railway line.

But I always thought in Portugal, it s different. I didn't know the reality before.

So, what are future railways plans except high speed rail?

like us, bus is dominant and Ankara-Istanbul is active railway line.

But I always thought in Portugal, it s different. I didn't know the reality before.

So, what are future railways plans except high speed rail?

We've already "our" high speed train. It's the Alfa Pendular, based on italian Pendolino technology. Top speed: 220 km/h.

Alfa pendular connects Lisbon to Porto and Braga (North), Coimbra, Aveiro and Santarém (Centre) and Faro (South).

However, a really high speed rail is underway. It's part of a great european high speed rail network.

By 2015, 3 different lines are schedule to be open. In 2013 the Lisbon-Madrid (Spain) line and the Porto-Vigo (Spain) line; by 2015 the "internal" Lisbon-Porto line.
There are other 2 high speed lines planned by without an official schedule. These line are: Aveiro-Salamanca (Spain) and Évora-Faro-Huelva (Spain) lines.

All the Portuguese high speed lines will be mix lines cargo/pax (I'm not sure).

Due the construction of the Lisbon-Madrid high speed line, a new mega-bridge (aprox. 13km lenght) will be built in the Tagus River. The new brigde will be a very important part of the Lisbon-Madrid high speed line and it will also connect Lisbon with its new international airport (Alcochete Airport) schedule to be open in 2017. The new airport will replace the actual Portela Airport (very close to Lisbon city centre).

Turkish Airlines has direct flights between Lisbon and Istambul.

More info: www.rave.pt (http://www.rave.pt)

^^ wonderful informations. Thank you :okay: I really like to see Portugal. From the pitures, Portugal is one of my favourite countries in Europe but I couldn't have opportunity to see yet.


What will be the speed of your future High speed Trains as the part of great european high speed rail network?

^^ wonderful informations. Thank you :okay: I really like to see Portugal. From the pitures, Portugal is one of my favourite countries in Europe but I couldn't have opportunity to see yet.


What will be the speed of your future High speed Trains as the part of great european high speed rail network?

Hope to see you here soon! ;) I know many people that had a bad image of Portugal before they visit my country and then they just fall in love with Portugal. I don't know how to explain, but we're a mix of such different people (fenicians, suebi, visigoths, greeks, romans, arabic, african and asian). It creates a very unique nation: the Portuguese!

Perhaps is this kind of old mix that make us a different country. There are no internal culture, religious or linguistic differences. And then we've, as well as Turkey, an excellent weather, beautiful landscapes... In just 900km of lenght you can find a huge difference in climate, landscapes, gastronomy... So, come visit us! ;)

And now about the high speed train!!!

Lisbon-Porto line top speed 300 Km/h
Porto-Vigo line top speed 250 km/h (i'm not sure)
Lisbon-Madrid line top speed 350 km/h

For the other 2 lines and don't have any figure.

thank you for your answer! You had never a bad image in Turkey. But as I see at the pictures, Portugal is more beautiful than I expected. Not an ordenery European country. Iberia and Anatolia have so much common, crossroad in the history and melting pot of the ethnicities, nations and cultures. Also I like fado :) many Portugese don't like maybe but I also like the music of Linda De Souza.

Do you think it is more economic to have buses as main transportation in Portugal? Buses are the main transportation in Turkey, but I had no idea that many Western European countries have buses.

thank you for your answer! You had never a bad image in Turkey. But as I see at the pictures, Portugal is more beautiful than I expected. Not an ordenery European country. Iberia and Anatolia have so much common, crossroad in the history and melting pot of the ethnicities, nations and cultures. Also I like fado :) many Portugese don't like maybe but I also like the music of Linda De Souza.

Do you think it is more economic to have buses as main transportation in Portugal? Buses are the main transportation in Turkey, but I had no idea that many Western European countries have buses.

Perhaps I will be in Turkey next year! In holidays!! Perhaps...

Well, I think that the use of buses as main transportation is because there are lots and lots of roads all accross Europe. And by road you can reach every point in a country. Train network is limited: it doesn't reach all the country. Speaking about Portugal, the train network (that nowadays is smaller than 20 years ago) is limited. It touches many important cities but some tracks are not modern enough to allow high speeds or different types of wagons. I think that it happens all accros Europe, as well as in Turkey. And other problem is that is cheaper to transport goods by road than by train.

You can see on the maps the actual Portuguese train network below:

Passengers: (more info http://www.cp.pt/cp/displayPage.do?vgnextoid=87cbd5abe2a74010VgnVCM1000007b01a8c0RCRD)

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/7695/12er6.png

Cargo: (more info: http://www.cp.pt/cp/displayPage.do?vgnextoid=3d10c8b528e94010VgnVCM1000007b01a8c0RCRD)

http://img126.imageshack.us/img126/8287/11zw0.png

thank you for the maps. If you visit Turkey, it would be very nice. :)

also your new locomotives look so nice. We need new locos too, but we always modified and upgrade what we already have...

Do you have the pictures of new Station wich is designed by Calatrava?

Some Oriente station pictures:
http://images.google.com/images?client=opera&rls=en&q=oriente%20esta%C3%A7ao&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&um=1&sa=N&tab=wi

:cheers:


like us, bus is dominant and Ankara-Istanbul is active railway line.

But I always thought in Portugal, it s different. I didn't know the reality before.

So, what are future railways plans except high speed rail?

Lisboa (Oriente station) to Porto (Gaia Devesas station) travel time is only 2h30 nowadays ... some aditional track upgrades will bring travel time down to 2h in the near future for the 320km trip.

Lisboa (Pinhal Novo station) to algarve (Tunes station) takes 1h53 for the 210km trip (half the route is renovated , a 25km stretch is under construction and the remaining will likely remain in the same for decades to come)

Lisboa -> South connections currently use a runabound trip along overcrouded "cintura line" (wich has some 200 thousand passengers daily on its 4 tracks) and Oriente (Northernmost intercity stations)to Pinhal Novo (southernmost of Lisboa Intercity stations) takes some 45/50 minutes ... a new river crossing (it will be both by comuter/urban/tgv/intercity and freight) will reduce that time to 10 minutes ... in efect shortening North-south travel time by 30/40 minutes by itself. :D

Some other major track upgrades are undergoing (and planed for the near future) that will reduce travel times even further from north to south ...

thank you for the maps. If you visit Turkey, it would be very nice. :)

also your new locomotives look so nice. We need new locos too, but we always modified and upgrade what we already have...

Do you have the pictures of new Station wich is designed by Calatrava?

There isn't any new station designed by Calatrava. What we have in Lisbon is the Orient Station (Gare do Oriente). This ultra modern station, designed by Calatrava, was built to be the Expo'98 transportation centre and nowadays is a transportation hub. Trains (national, International, regional and urban), metro, taxis and buses have a stop there.
With the arrive of high speed line to Lisbon we had two options: (1) to built a new terminal train station or (2) to use the actual Orient Station. The second option was selected but there will be some works in order to allow more traffic flow. By 2013 the enlargement of Orient's must be finished.

Photos available on these web sites:

http://portaldasnacoes.pt/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=47&Itemid=56&lang=en

http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gare_do_Oriente

thank you for your answer. It is a wonderful station.

Translated by babelfish:

Chunks Pigeon house-Port, Lisbon-Pigeon house and Braga-Valença advance The Government goes to launch seven new competitions in the scope of the Railroad Net of High speed in 2009.
According to Budget of the State for the ministry of the Public works and Communications, in cause are the competitions for the Chunks Pigeon house-Port and Lisbon-Pigeon house (Lisbon-Port Axle), and Braga-Valença (Port-Vigo Axle), for projecto, construction, financing and maintenance of the infrastructure; the competition for Taken over on a contract basis of Construction of the Station of High speed of Lisbon and adjacent chunks; the competition for the Taken over on a contract basis one of the Station of the Port; signalling and telecommunications of the net and the referring one to the acquisition of ciculante material. Until the o end of the next year, the Government counts equally in signing the contract of concession of the public-private partnership of the Poceirão-Fall chunk (referring to Lisbon-Madrid axle). The ministry of the Public works still goes, in the scope of the Conventional Railroad Net, to continue with the concretion of “identified with priority shares in the strategical orientações for the railroad sector”. One expects still, in accordance with the OE, to conclude itself with the Strategical Plan of the Line of the Douro and will continue investments in the improvement and widening of the net that binds the Port of Aveiro to the line of the North.


Pigeon House = Pombal
Fall chunk = Caia
and so and so and so ... babelfish rules. :bash:

wich brand are the new locomotives we are seeing above?

Siemens Eurosprinter version 5 ... They seem to be the 1st with the new crash-proof "faces" ... Portuguese state owned CP ordered 25 , ans it seems private companies are already ordering some more ... Belgian(?) SNCB seems to have ordered some more ... :cheers:

how many kind of electirc locomotives are in the service in Portugal?

how many kind of electirc locomotives are in the service in Portugal?

There are 5 different kinds of electric locomotives in use in Portugal. The 6th kind of electric locomotives (Siemens Eurosprinter version 5 - pict above) will enter in service in few weeks
You can see them in http://www.cp.pt/cp/displayPage.do?vgnextoid=fe855741e9695010VgnVCM1000007b01a8c0RCRD&lang=en (http://www.cp.pt/cp/displayPage.do?vgnextoid=fe855741e9695010VgnVCM1000007b01a8c0RCRD&lang=en)

We have also 8 different kinds of electric rail cars.
You can see them in http://www.cp.pt/cp/displayPage.do?vgnextoid=9b1dab3226ea4010VgnVCM1000007b01a8c0RCRD (http://www.cp.pt/cp/displayPage.do?vgnextoid=9b1dab3226ea4010VgnVCM1000007b01a8c0RCRD)

:okay: thank you for these usefull links. They tell so much. Obviously Portugal has a nice rail system although bus transportation is dominant unlike Nederlands or Belgium.

Do you have a HSR project wich has over 250 km/h speed?

:okay: thank you for these usefull links. They tell so much. Obviously Portugal has a nice rail system although bus transportation is dominant unlike Nederlands or Belgium.

Do you have a HSR project wich has over 250 km/h speed?

The current Alfa Pendular trains have a top speed of 220 km/h. As I can read on Wikipedia, the test run speed record in Portugal is 275 km/h. The HSR of today, following the European Union definition, connects several cities from north to south Portugal.

The future HSR has 3 different top speeds.

Line Lisbon-Madrid 350 km/h
Line Lisbon-Porto 300 km/h
Line Porto-Vigo 250 km/h

do you know what kind of trains will be used for those speeds?

do you know what kind of trains will be used for those speeds?

The Portuguese media said that the new Alstom AGV will be used in our HSL network. Siemens's Velaro trains are also an option.

The AGV is an Alstom (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alstom) train intended as the successor to France (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France)’s TGV (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TGV) high-speed trains (by wikipedia)

Don't forguet that current railways are also renewed to speeds of 220/250km/h ... such as this:

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn113/mourarq/3033039208_becb915bde_o.jpg

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn113/mourarq/3032198903_a70607be8a_o.jpg

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn113/mourarq/3032201037_04673d9528_o.jpg

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn113/mourarq/3033038918_604b3e1c16_o.jpg´

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn113/mourarq/3033039466_65910a6f72_o.jpg

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn113/mourarq/3033042836_84963f0b3f_b.jpg

fotos de nmorao (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nmorao/)

It's another stretch of the Lisboa-Algarve(south) main line currently being renewed (actualy is a 25km bypass) ... projected to have a top speed of 250km/h.

:okay: thank you for these usefull links. They tell so much. Obviously Portugal has a nice rail system although bus transportation is dominant unlike Nederlands or Belgium.

Do you have a HSR project wich has over 250 km/h speed?

We are going to dreplicate the main network with some aditional 1000km of HSL ... this will add to the current (and under upgrade) 2000km of old classic routes wich have limits between 140km/h and 220km/h (some were upgraded to higher speeds than those permited by the AlfaPendular nowadays) ... out of a 2600km network it's not bad at all ...


Nederlands and Belgium would love to have a network electrified at 25Kv 50Hz Ac like portugal has nowadays ... their main problem setting speeds back is the 1500vDC (in the nederlands). :cheers:

Some "minor" news from portugal:

http://www.refer.pt/pt/noticia.php?id=453
North Line ... the beginning of the work on the 1st grey area north of lisboa.
- they are demolishing buildings nearthe railway and a 2km "river side" pedestrian area with 22m will be built ... the plan is to insert a 3rd railway line and segregate that section of track ... the speed probably will be of 160km/h in the future (main station at VFxira and most of the express trains actualy stop there).

Modernização da Linha do Norte - Subtroço 2.3 Alfarelos - Pampilhosa - Estação de Alfornelos e Secções Adjacentes
http://www2.apambiente.pt/IPAMB_DPP/publico/eia_rnt.asp?id=1383
http://aiacirca.apambiente.pt:8980/Public/irc/aia/aiapublico/library?l=/aia1952_modernizao/resumo_no_tcnico&vm=detailed&sb=Title
^^ another section (some 10km) of the northern line to be modernized ...

Ligação Ferroviária de Alta Velocidade, Via Terceira Travessia do Tejo (TTT) no Corredor Chelas - Barreiro - Modos Ferreoviário e Rodoviário
http://www2.apambiente.pt/IPAMB_DPP/publico/eia_rnt.asp?id=1366
http://aiacirca.apambiente.pt:8980/Public/irc/aia/aiapublico/library?l=/lisboa-moita-terceira&vm=detailed&sb=Title
^^ Environmental impact studies are currently under public avaliation

Ligação Ferroviária de Alta Velocidade entre Lisboa e Porto - Lote D - Troço Lisboa-Alenquer (Ota)
http://www2.apambiente.pt/IPAMB_DPP/publico/eia_rnt.asp?id=1364
http://aiacirca.apambiente.pt:8980/Public/irc/aia/aiapublico/library?l=/lisboa-alenquer&vm=detailed&sb=Title
^^ Also under public consultancy ... and YES ... it's the Lisboa-Porto High Speed line :cheers:

Ligação entre o Lote D troço Lisboa-Alenquer(Ota) e o Lote C1 Alenquer - Pombal da Ligação Ferroviária de Alta Velocidade entre Lisboa e Porto
http://www2.apambiente.pt/IPAMB_DPP/publico/eia_rnt.asp?id=1385
http://aiacirca.apambiente.pt:8980/Public/irc/aia/aiapublico/library?l=/aia1966_velocidade/resumo_no_tcnico&vm=detailed&sb=Title << beware .. some 100MB worth of PDF downloads here
^^ Another section of the Lisboa-Porto HSL :cheers:


there are now some 160km of HSL "officialy" (almost) under construction .. .and some 200km "almost" (officialy) under construction.

:lol:

Some renders of the new Tagus Bridge

http://www.rave.pt/Portals/0/Repository/Materiais_Perspectiva2_VermelhoTotal.44956feb-2914-4793-af31-8ea3e0134fa4.jpg

http://www.rave.pt/Portals/0/Repository/Materiais_Perspectiva2_MetalCinzento.1905a1f2-009c-49fc-991b-810433612eea.jpg

http://www.rave.pt/Portals/0/Repository/Materiais_Perspectiva2_MetalVermelho.136a99ad-1305-4619-bfea-c0171da4894f.jpg

http://www.rave.pt/Portals/0/Repository/Materiais_Perspectiva2_MetalAzul.0515e5ee-7dcc-4c96-960d-51f38d6c3d63.jpg

http://www.rave.pt/Portals/0/Repository/Materiais_Perspectiva2_BrancoTotal.98d2c5d5-92ec-487f-8ffe-6fd0c6d73a68.jpg

http://www.rave.pt/Portals/0/Repository/Materiais_Perspectiva2_AzulTotal.b9eb2cc6-2fb5-420d-a387-48df6e84376a.jpg

http://www.rave.pt/Portals/0/Repository/Materiais_Perspectiva1_MetalCinzento.d6a92241-1f40-4cd6-9481-8270a3737920.jpg

http://www.rave.pt/Portals/0/Repository/Materiais_Perspectiva1_MetalVermelho.5424e05b-1446-413e-9b90-2c5619b7ab14.jpg

http://www.rave.pt/Portals/0/Repository/Materiais_Perspectiva1_MetalAzul.1ce420e7-881e-4e9f-a992-45bb826cb5d1.jpg

http://www.rave.pt/Portals/0/Repository/Nocturna_Panteao_IluminacaoTotalVermelho.89d5de10-5234-4892-bf27-0baee0c8166d.jpg

http://www.rave.pt/Portals/0/Repository/Nocturna_Panteao_IluminacaoTotal.caa6ed56-587e-4540-83e4-38ff7a2ba4e7.jpg

Virtually a copy of the one that starts by Oriente, no?

Virtually a copy of the one that starts by Oriente, no?

not exactly... this one will have a steel double deck, with four rail lines on bottom and 6 road lanes on top... this is quite different from Vasco da Gama bridge, wich is a road concrete bridge...
The cable-stayed bridge is also diferente in the shape of the towers ("H" format against "A" format), and the span is widder - 540m... but in the end its also a cable-stayed bridge... ;)

Some Portuguese Railways stations

Lisboa (Lisbon) - Rossio railway station
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2018/1967440224_c9806149c9_o.jpg

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/159/372509651_cdde916fcd.jpg?v=0

http://lh6.ggpht.com/_KUMmnSFlovw/R-RgXWcQXQI/AAAAAAAAGT0/_8MAl_jGhcw/DSC00753.JPG

http://img.olhares.com/data/big/155/1554197.jpg


Lisboa (Lisbon) - Santa Apolónia railway station

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/416/saao7.jpg


Lisboa (Lisbon) - Orient railway station

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii159/rubenbriosa/GaredoOriente-OrientStation_Lisb-1.jpg


Porto (Oporto) - São Bento railway station
http://img.olhares.com/data/big/87/877134.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ac/Estação_São_Bento_Porto.JPG

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/122/372028872_2456173330.jpg

Porto (Oporto) - Campanhã railway station
http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo22/gustavoalmeida1984/pt.jpg


Coimbra
http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/ambiente2008/coimbra.jpg


Braga
http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo22/gustavoalmeida1984/semttulo.jpg


Aveiro
http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/ambiente2008/Aveiro.jpg


Faro
http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo22/gustavoalmeida1984/Faro.jpg


Viana do Castelo
http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo22/gustavoalmeida1984/VIanadocastelob.jpg


Figueira da Foz
http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo22/gustavoalmeida1984/figueira.jpg

Guarda
http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo22/gustavoalmeida1984/guarda.jpg


Castelo Branco
http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo22/gustavoalmeida1984/castelobranco2.jpg
http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo22/gustavoalmeida1984/cstlo.jpg


Alhos Vedros
http://i379.photobucket.com/albums/oo237/ambiente2008/alhosvedros.jpg


Coina
http://www.verdascaeverdasca.pt/media/img/obras/obra_33.jpg

Some Portuguese Railways stations
Braga
http://i358.photobucket.com/albums/oo22/gustavoalmeida1984/semttulo.jpg



I like very much the Braga trains station! :)

It's very interesting to see how the old station was incorporated with the new one.

There are also exhibitions inside the station and in the underground level there is a kind of a small museum. They find some roman pieces and they are shown there! :)

some pictures of the Barreiro-PinhalNovo infraestructure modernization.

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn113/mourarq/OUTROS/Novaimagem2.jpg

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn113/mourarq/OUTROS/Novaimagem4.jpg

http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/nn113/mourarq/OUTROS/Novaimagem3.jpg

fotos recolhidas da edição de 5 de Dezembro do jornal Margem Sul (http://www.margemsul.pt/)

In wich area of Lisbon will the new bridge end? Which roads will it connect with?
I am totally in favour of a new rail bridge, but I'm afraid that too many cars coming from the Barreiro or Montijo areas into a central zone of Lisbon could bring a lot of congestion (And on the other hand, the ferry journey seems to be such a nice one ...)

Thanks in advance for your answers!

In wich area of Lisbon will the new bridge end? Which roads will it connect with?
I am totally in favour of a new rail bridge, but I'm afraid that too many cars coming from the Barreiro or Montijo areas into a central zone of Lisbon could bring a lot of congestion (And on the other hand, the ferry journey seems to be such a nice one ...)

Thanks in advance for your answers!

In Lisbon, the TTT will end near Chelas district allowing the bridge to be connected with the local road (2ª Circular)/train (Linha da Cintura) systems. On the other side of the river the bridge will end in the city of Barreiro. It is part of the Madrid-Lisbon new high speed train line.

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more pictures in http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=301433&page=5

In wich area of Lisbon will the new bridge end? Which roads will it connect with?
I am totally in favour of a new rail bridge, but I'm afraid that too many cars coming from the Barreiro or Montijo areas into a central zone of Lisbon could bring a lot of congestion (And on the other hand, the ferry journey seems to be such a nice one ...)

Thanks in advance for your answers!

Actually the TTT will diverge traffic from Seixal (there will be also a smaller bridge between Barreiro and Seixal) , from Sesimbra (the Barreiro highway will be extended further south) and from Moita ... This is to aleviate the load on the 25 de Abril bridge and to remove all the roundabound traffic that currently is diverged on the 40km long round trip via the Vasco da gama bridge ... thus aleviating the VG and alowing the future traffic to/from the new Lisboa airport to use VG as if it were a new bridge in that area. :cheers:

note: the new lisboa airport will be some 10km to the east on that map above ... :cheers:

Who knew it at that time, that that locomotive would be the new Siemens design. And will also be used as the new Belgian diesel loco.

^^ Correction, the Belgian locos are also electric but unlike the Portuguese ones will we used for passenger trains.

CP LE 4700

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NMBS/SNCB 18

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The diesel version has been bought by the Lithuanian State Railways.

LG ER20

http://i43.tinypic.com/2i0wwpk.jpg

All pictures from Railcolor.net

What is the platform height in Portugal?
On the pictures I see some pretty high platforms.

Metro and Urban trains = 1m (more or less)

Regional and Intercity trains usuallu we get anything from 1m down to 50cm ... some even fewer than 50cm ... and there is a place don south where it's so flat out in the soil that there's a special bench acting as a step. :lol:

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Pics from railpictures.net

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Most of the track in Portugal "iberian" gauge, 1668 mm, used only in Spain and Portugal. Anyway, good job New York Morning!

Most of the track in Portugal "iberian" gauge, 1668 mm, used only in Spain and Portugal. Anyway, good job New York Morning!

Thanx))

Why I can't see any pic posted by NYM?

May be because I use bad photo hosting, deam...

Soon to be completed with H. S. Trains from Northern Portugal to Lisbon and from Lisbon to Madrid.

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Some old photos of mine (back from 2005) ... the record breaking consisted of 2x CP5600 electric locomotives and 13x corail coaches.

They achieved something like 237km/h with 1 locomotive pulling (the other just went for the ride to assist on braking and provide the role of 14th). :cheers:

They achieved some confortable 237km/h in those runs ... not the actual record in portugal (wich is of about 248km/h with the pendulinos) but just enough to get the corail coaches certified to daily 200km/h usage (wich was the purpose of the tests).

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Some freight trains:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rA0twTFVIU4&feature=related
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lb0w7DEn4_4
Notice that the Zaes(tankers) are there to serve as linking vehicles ... the locomotives have AAR (american) coupling while the flat container wagons use chain (the Zaes ahve a diferent kind of link in each side)

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LeWpJ9zn-o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_dtCnbGod4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ty5iZRhMXag

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twrzJbVaV-g
Notice: only the 1st loco isactually pulling ... the others are there just for the ride (rollingstock shuffling)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TAlKbyjMxpc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEzfLHCVKhk

Some videos of the recently opened Aveiro Harbour Branch line: (10km long)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn6eGTghh2k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xq3IfNwIW40&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Em5lHlBOId0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uyhk3xQvb9g&feature=related
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0JapOkG_fM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsOuWcHArmI&feature=related

Maps of the Portuguese Railways Network (2011)

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Work in progress

Aqui estão as prometidas fotos todas tiradas por mim, excepto a primeira. :)

Não são apenas fotos da estação, mas sim de toda a intervenção realizada por causa deste.

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Thanks for the pics.

When that station is set to open?

Photos from the user sybrenp:


E aqui, umas fotos de varios tipos de material circulante da CP. Foram feitas em varios lugares do pais desde o Porto a Lisboa. Disfrutam :)

S. Bento Station - Porto
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Alfa Pendular is the name of the pendolino high-speed train
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P.S: 1) Its top speed is 220 Km/h (140 mph);

2) The Alfa Pendular high speed train is derived from and closely resembles the Giugiaro designed Italian Fiat ETR 480 Pendolinotrain. It is a 6 unit EMU ( electrical multiple unit). The traction engines develop 4.0 MW. The bogies had to be redesigned to operate on Portugal's broad gauge track. The trains were assembled by Alstom at the Portuguese Amadora plant.


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Gare do Oriente Station
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:cheers:

Nice!

Photos from the user Masterbyte

going to the beach... :)

Leixões Line – Leça do Balio Station
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Minho & Douro Line - Ermesinde Station »»» UTD 600 to Pocinho (Douro Line)
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North Line - Aguda Station
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UME 3400 Bombardier
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Alfa pendular-is the name of the pendolino high-speed train
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UTE 2240 Alstom
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UTE 2240 Alstom
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Nice comboios!