i found paris rather boring tbh :baeh3: oops im gone!

well you have a rather restricted personality :yes: so you find most things boring :tongue2:

But you can't get in or out of London - once in London you are stuck! I like a city you can trot in and out of easily and park your car - not have to faff around on trains and tubes and stuff. :bash: (Although I always enjoy the tube thingy when I'm on it ;))

I like the look of Liverpool with the Mersey setting but the Scouse accent really should be toned down a notch. :puke:

do you mean the thick, whiny scally accent? If so then don't talk to scallies

its all the same yoshef, its all the same ;)

Lets not forget Leeds where 31% of people aged 16-74 have no qualifications ( source; ONS ). That a high enough percentage for you?

Everyone here knows you want to move back to London but can't afford it, that's why you spend so much time here trying to make out Leeds is great:lol:

:horse:

funny that, the OMIS Nomis website puts the percentage of working age people with no qualifications at 12% for Leeds ( lower than brum, manchester, liverpool and glasgow). Its a shocking 21% for glasgow, and 20% if you include greater glasgow. Now stop lying, or lay your source on the table

:banana:

I'll go with ONS.

do you mean the thick, whiny scally accent? If so then don't talk to scallies

i think the whineing is quite horny sounding :nuts:

I'll go with ONS.

NOMIS stats *are* the ONS silly :cheers:

You should a hear scouse burd cum, blows the windows out;)

I got the Leeds figures from a Leeds city council page, too many people there without qualifications must be the problem.

You should a hear scouse burd cum, blows the windows out;)

I got the Leeds figures from a Leeds city council page, too many people there without qualifications must be the problem.

must be ;) Ive just seen the 30% figure for Leeds, its from the census2001. Try looking at the governments ONS-OMIS website (official labour market statistics), these are for 2006/7.

greater glasgow 20% no qualifications
leeds 12%

20% is a shocking 1 in 5. No wonder you looked at the wrong data, its your lack of qualifications :nuts:

do you prefer bradford or stoke?


Bradford has by far the better streetscape and architecture and such, whereas Stoke's probably the worst looking city in the country. However Bradford's retail and nightlife offer is rather low, whereas I think that's still covered pretty much in Stoke. In terms of regeneration, Stoke's miles behind, whereas Bradford seems about to embark on several of its large projects, though neither city's a shining light on this matter. I've never lived in one of the 6 towns itself, only in a village, so I can't really judge on living in the city as such. Overall, I guess I'd say Bradford. It holds more interest for me and is where I really know people now, and will consider still living in the area possibly making the jump to Leeds if and when it seems appropriate. Student days are coming to an end. I'm gonna actually have to get a proper job for once. I'm scared.

Oh yeah, Stoke, big chav problem last time I checked. There's more of a G-unit feel up here, though they don't tend to bother you.

Boards, just dont look at the unemployment data for greater glasgow compared to leeds too. You'll end up crying ;)

Bradford has by far the better streetscape and architecture and such, whereas Stoke's probably the worst looking city in the country. However Bradford's retail and nightlife offer is rather low, whereas I think that's still covered pretty much in Stoke. In terms of regeneration, Stoke's miles behind, whereas Bradford seems about to embark on several of its large projects, though neither city's a shining light on this matter. I've never lived in one of the 6 towns itself, only in a village, so I can't really judge on living there. Overall, I guess I'd say Bradford. It holds more interest for me and is where I really know people now, and will consider still living in the area possibly making the jump to Leeds if and when it seems appropriate. Student days are coming to an end. I'm gonna actually have to get a proper job for once. I'm scared.


many of bradfords old buildings in the centre are amazing. the city is deffinatley very under-rated. Ive seen some of the photos you have posted of the regeneration earmarked to take place and it looks fantastic

Unusual to see a figure for 'Greater Glasgow' wheres that listed?

get the figure for glasgow city, and combine east and west dunbartonshire, and (east)Renfreshire. You can even add inverclyde and it doesnt really make it better or worse.

while adding the outlying arounds around the whole periphery of glasgow city do indeed encompass all the wealthier areas, the numbers are low to the extent that the overall percentage with no qualifications only drops by 1%

If you do the same for population data you'll find the horrific population decline. Yes glasgow city has just about levelled off now, due to city centre living, and 7,000 asylum seekers it takes in annually, but combine the whole greater glasgow area, and there is still severe decline :(

BBC America news got into the city bashing mode tonight but not by bashing it's usual victim. This time it carried an item concerning a rat infestation in Manchester. The item had footage of an alley behind what looked like a Chinese restaurant with a number of rats foraging in the garbage. A spokesman for local retaurant owners said that the city have done nothing to eradicate the vermin but a city spokesman blamed the restaurants for violating by-laws by leaving trash out all night.

do you mean the thick, whiny scally accent? If so then don't talk to scallies

Yeah. If everyone spoke like the Beatles did/do rather than Jennifer Ellison types it would be okay. :yes:


i think the whineing is quite horny sounding :nuts:

It must be all the saliva that builds up in their mouths while they're talking that does it for you. :drool: ;)

many of bradfords old buildings in the centre are amazing. the city is deffinatley very under-rated. Ive seen some of the photos you have posted of the regeneration earmarked to take place and it looks fantastic


It's definitely got the whole sandstone thing going on, though I find the style's quite a bit more gothic than other cities of a similar nature. Then again the area of Little Germany is quite different and distinct once again, I love walking around those streets, wish more of the city centre had remained intact in it's victorian form, I think the city and any other for that matter would feel far more integral. The urban form just seems to all of a sudden disintegrate in Bradford, one minute your in the city centre, the next among industrial wastelands and the major roads that choke the city centre. I'm sure some of this will be sorted out in time, though I'm occasionally disappointed with some of the proposals.

I do post a load of pictures on that thread. I'm a sad bastard with nowt else to do, which reminds me, I've found some more renders.

I do it for the lulz.

It must be all the saliva that builds up in their mouths while they're talking that does it for you. :drool: ;)

to be fair, shaggin a brummie, and hearing their accent can really put you off your motion :nuts:

I'm sure some of this will be sorted out in time, though I'm occasionally disappointed with some of the proposals.

I've found some more renders.

I do it for the lulz.

lol. Plus the whole shopping core to be developed in bradford will mean there'll be a good choice of shopping so not to need to nip into leeds, which will be good for the economy of bradders

i think we are about to see a long essay from boards lol ;)

Strange grasp of what is Greater Glasgow is there wiggy and using the council boundaries there simply isn't a way of getting anything definitive. The city has a well educated population though and the unemployment figures aren't bad at all, Glasgow creates far more jobs annually than Leeds. The asylum seeker in take is a myth wiggy, there are 5815 in total living in the city according to Jan 2008 figures, hardly an annual in take of 7000:lol: You just wait till I start on Leeds if I feel like it, so many shortcomings:lol:

aww. i expected an essay. he was unable to counter anything i said.

*pwned* :cheers:

:lol: The only thing greater than your delusion wiggy is your stupidity. I don't have the time or the pathological need of yours to spend the whole night here.

to be fair, shaggin a brummie, and hearing their accent can really put you off your motion :nuts:

I wouldn't know to be honest. :|

Your LondonLeeds accent must be a sound to behold wiglette. :happy:

You never shagged a brummie butters?

You never shagged a brummie butters?

I tend to head west and north for my escapades. :yes:

EDIT: Although that's not strictly true. :|

Sorry I forgot you and Telfordboy had that little thing going on;)

Not this shit again! :ohno:

City-bashing is for dull, unoriginal people who are so insecure about themselves that they have to try to make others feel bad about where they live just so they can make themselves feel a little bit better about their dull, unoriginal lives. :yes:

You just posted here, bawjaws:lol:

Bawjaws?

I haven't city-bashed though have I? :tongue2:

Try it, you might like it;)

my london-leeds accent lol. its a mixture.

up here people can tell straight away im from daaahhn saaf, they can even pin point it to essex lol :P

but when i go down to london to see old mates and we go out clubbin.. ppl say ohh i well like ur northern accent lmao

do you have a strong midlands accent butterfield? you could always be gagged ;)

The most up to date data from the scottish exectuve website is for 2006. The site applauds a meagure 1,600 population increase from 2005 for glasgow city. However when you delve into the pdf data, and look for the 2006 greater glasgow and clyde NHS area boundary, there was a -1,039 decline between 05/06 :ohno:

and looking at data for 1996-2006 there was a staggering -33,000 population decline :ohno:

do you have a strong midlands accent butterfield? you could always be gagged ;)

Wanna give it a go?? :naughty:

I have an accent I think but no dialect - ie. I speak proper English that everyone can understand but with a Midlands twang. :yes:

Wanna give it a go?? :naughty:

I have an accent I think but no dialect - ie. I speak proper English that everyone can understand but with a Midlands twang. :yes:

:nuts:

Hardly staggering wiggy when you factor in a city region that knows how to enjoy itself and has a low birth rate. Down 33,000 in ten years is hardly devasting when tens and tens of thousands of jobs have been created in the same period:lol: Hmm, when shall I start on Leeds? More to the point, where:lol: So many places to start.

i can feel a mini essay comming from boards, showing how rattled he is ;)

tens and tens of thousands of jobs have been created in the same period

yes, and in 2006 glasgow city, *and* the combined greater glasgow area still had much higher unemployment and joblessness than leeds, and many other english cities incidently :cheers:

and i think u misread my above quote, greater glasgow saw a population decline between 2005-2006 too of over 1,000 ;)

i can feel boards acne errupting :)

The only person who is rattled is you wiggy:lol: I have had this conversation with you many times and wiped the floor with you on every occasion as many other respected forumers have testified. You headcase:lol: Are you going to carry on talking to yourself all night?:lol: I am respected on this forum by the more valuable members on it, you continue to embarrass yourself further everyday. I could bury your ass all night if I wished, but I, unlike you, have a life:lol:

yes thats why you're still here, and have been unable to counter *any* of the factual data I have provided ;)

well and truly owned :)

night mr-impoverished

do you prefer bradford or stoke?

Neither, there both shitholes.

he says he's gone to bed, but I bet board's enraged acne flair up will force him to write a mini essay below highlighting how rattled he is ;)

yes thats why you're still here, and have been unable to counter *any* of the factual data I have provided ;)

well and truly owned :)

night mr-impoverished

:lol:

Why don't you address some of the following points then. Why does Glasgow have a much larger retail core than Leeds and can support two 1m sq ft malls and the soon to be 800,000 sq ft Glasgow fort only a few miles from the city centre? The EK Centre with 230 shops is a few miles further out. Why does Glasgow year after year create thousands more jobs than Leeds, surely with it's amazing base to build on with it's skills base Leeds should be creating more? How does Glasgow add more office space than Leeds year after year and has more in the pipeline? Why do more tourists visit Glasgow than Leeds? Why does Glasgow have a hotel sector and pipeline Leeds can only dream of? Glasgow will host the 2014 commonwealth games and has hosted the Champions League final ( for the third time ) and the UEFA cup final in the last few years, Glasgow hosts internationals and champions league football every year and other international sporting events, the city has been European city of culture and European city of sport - what does Leeds do? Glasgow has three stadiums seating over 50,000 people, Leeds has Elland Road:lol: Glasgow's fourth arena and a new velodrome will be built before Leeds has single arena:lol: Glasgow has a creative scene Leeds can only dream of with multiple Becks futures winners and a one, two in the Turner prize, bands like Travis, Primal Scream, Snow Patrol, The Fratellis, Franz Ferdinand, Biffy Clyro, Mogwai, then theres Amy McDonald and KT Tunstall busked on the streets of Glasgow - why can't Leeds come close to that? Kelvingrove is the most visited museum outside London with 3.2m visitors a year which pisses on Leeds' attractions - why? Leeds has a pityful number of rail stations in the city, Glasgow has a commuter network of over 180 stations and an underground, the number of people using rail in Glasgow city centre is over 40m to Leeds 17m. Passenger numbers at Glasgow's airports dwarf the airport Leeds share with Bradford. Why does Glasgow destroy Leeds in so many ways? Tell me why wiggy. Your failure to address these points will only confirm your position as the forums number one troll.

Thats powned, son:cheers:

I don't expect you to answer the above but instead throw more mud. Nighty, night x.

well and truly rattled. :lol:

glasgow has all that, most of it funded by us in england, yet it still is officially the most deprived city in the UK, with the highest murder rate in the western world, high unemployment, a high proportion of people with no qualifications, and the worst life expectancy in europe, and all these still hold true when you include greater glasgow :)

glasgow can have all the things you pointed out but people are still clambering to escape the hell hole in the thousands. ;)

Sorry wiggley, but that is a pretty shit comeback. His list is 5 times longer than yours!

it can be 20 times longer. glasgow's population is still in horrific decline, and much of that is because, despite a thin pretty veneer, the city still has the worst deprivation in the uk :( - and an extra 10 gvernment funded stadiums wont solve that


Published 2007:

In Glasgow, where 55 per cent of households have no earned income, male life expectancy is 69 years, lower than in the Gaza Strip, North Korea and Iran. In Calton, the poorest area of the city, male life expectancy is 54 years, which puts it on a par with sub-Saharan Africa. These shaming statistics have not happened because we have looked the other way: public money has poured in; state spending now accounts for 70 per cent of the Glasgow region's GDP, putting it on a par with the communist countries of the old Eastern bloc.

source: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3724/is_20070630/ai_n19353605/pg_2


this is why people are still leaving the greater glasgow urban area in their thousands anually, in search of better oppurtunities that no amount of government funded stadiums and waterfront regeneration schemes can make better.

A huge chunk of the population was lost to East Kilbride, Cumbernauld, Irvine and Livingston in the post-war period. Upon their completion around 160,000 people were re-located from Glasgow to the New-Towns.

Since then, subsequent tightening of the cities boundaries has seen a loss in population of over 350,000 to neighbouring counties and peripheral housing schemes. Most recently Rutherglen and Cambuslang were transferred to South Lanarkshire, resulting in a loss of 50,000 from Glasgow to SL.

The City of Glasgow population has gone from a high of 1,090,000 people to a paltry 580,000 (in a region of 2,300,000) due to relocations and boundary change.

Since 1938 the number of Glaswegians has seemingly halved, but only because they now live in Dumbartonshire, Renfrewshire, Lanarkshire, Inverclyde and Ayrshire.

With this in mind, it is unreliable to suggest Glasgow has been suffering dramatic natural population decline when in fact, it has suffered dramatic boundary change and relocation. To find a true representation of any natural population decline you would need to take into account the entire region and i'm affraid no-one publishes these figures. The whole argument is obsolete.

Sorry wiggley, but that is a pretty shit comeback. His list is 5 times longer than yours!

:lol: I can't see how you can come back from that wiggs.

:lol: I can't see how you can come back from that wiggs.

Me neither,arse well and truly kicked.:lol:

A huge chunk of the population was lost to East Kilbride, Cumbernauld, Irvine and Livingston in the post-war period. Upon their completion around 160,000 people were re-located from Glasgow to the New-Towns.

Since then, subsequent tightening of the cities boundaries has seen a loss in population of over 350,000 to neighbouring counties and peripheral housing schemes. Most recently Rutherglen and Cambuslang were transferred to South Lanarkshire, resulting in a loss of 50,000 from Glasgow to SL.

The City of Glasgow population has gone from a high of 1,090,000 people to a paltry 580,000 (in a region of 2,300,000) due to relocations and boundary change.

Since 1938 the number of Glaswegians has seemingly halved, but only because they now live in Dumbartonshire, Renfrewshire, Lanarkshire, Inverclyde and Ayrshire.

With this in mind, it is unreliable to suggest Glasgow has been suffering dramatic natural population decline when in fact, it has suffered dramatic boundary change and relocation. To find a true representation of any natural population decline you would need to take into account the entire region and i'm affraid no-one publishes these figures. The whole argument is obsolete.

the official population figures from the scottish executive website which shows severe population decline in 2006 are for Greater Glasgow, and include all the areas you mention.

I can't see how you can come back from that wiggs.

its horses for coarses. For me, I wouldnt want to live in a city where I am one of the 1 in 4 unemployed with no qualifications, and likely to die at 57. All the things boards mentioned are useless if they are out of the reach for the majority of citezens, and this is why people are leaving in their thousands annually.

Still weak.

Jesus.

I think I like Jade Goody more then you Wiggley. You're one dull fuck!

I don't really care about this "debate" as you are just a vile, loathesome little queen wiggles, but I would like to see where these 'Greater Glasgow' figures are published? As far as I'm aware (and I'm really quite aware) Greater Glasgow only exists as a Health Board and for referring to public transport services. As a political and metropolitan entity, Greater Glasgow doesn't exist and certainly isn't recognised by the Scottish Government. Glasvegas has done a good job explaining the apparent population decline, although admittedly, in recent years there have been population losses due to high property value and Council Tax resulting from decades of gerry mandering.

Also, are you telling us, Wiggles, that you have no qualifications and are unemployed?

Still weak.

is it? Its all subjective. Answer me this...

If you had the choice, would you rather livein glasgow, where you were one of the 65% of people who live below the poverty line, or one of the 1 in 4 with no qualifications and unemployed, living in a city with the highest murder rate in the western world, chronic sectarian violence, and the expectation that you will die before 60 due to poor health.... *but* at least you're in a city full of museums, art galleries, lots of train stations, and a several stadia (that all cater for outsiders). Yes, you wont have access to any of this, because you will be one of the majority who lives below the poverty line, but at least they exist.

Or, would you ratherr live in Nottingham, where you will be one of the majority of citzens of nottingham who has high educational standards, excellent access to employment oppurtunities, lower crime, low deprivation,and likely to not die of deprivation-related health illness in your late 50s. Yes, you wont lots of stadiums, or extra art galleries (things 95% of the population rarely actually use), but your life-experience is likely to be much more pleasent.

Its a bit like comparing nottingham to bagdad. Bagdad has more musemums, more galleries, a better public transport system, greater density, probably even better streetscapes.. but its still a hell hole for citezens, with a net outward migration to prove this, just like glasgow.

Jesus.

I think I like Jade Goody more then you Wiggley. You're one dull fuck!


im about as dumb as the thousands escaping glasgow annually in search of better prospects for sharing their viewpoint. A list of musems and stadium didnt improve the quality for them.

I could write a book on the reasons for Glasgow's population decline and the mismanagement of the city. I could pick holes in the difference between the way data is recorded in England and Scotland, 'identifiable spending' and the like, 'total' public expenditure etc. I could talk about natural population decline, the numerous accusations of the underestimate of Glasgow's population in census reports and we all know the number of immigrants entering the country is far higher than the official figures. But I don't see the point in trying to engage wiggley as he will ignore the questions and start effing and blinding, he might even start writing in big red text! He wouldn't understand either. I think the point is that Glasgow continues to create more jobs than anywhere outside London, it continues to add more office space and commercial development than Leeds and the real city is all well educated as the population of Leeds too. But the most important things is that Glasgow is a real, vibrant, all encompassing city with the infrastructure, amenities and culture and the ups and downs they convey. Birmingham, Liverpool and Manchester are real cities, Leeds cannot look them in the eye, nor can it Cardiff, Sheffield or Newcastle. These cities have superior infrastructure and vibrancy. Leeds is a town in comparison, a dull souless void, the Slough of the North without the money. Wiggley is Londoner, trapped in Leeds because he can't afford to return home - and it kills him:lol:

:lol:

and yellow really isn't his colour...
http://melodyplant.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/wiggles.jpg
creep

:rofl:

WTF is that!?

I think the point is that Glasgow continues to create more jobs than anywhere outside London, it continues to add more office space and commercial development

yet shockingley its population is *still* declining :ohno: this, despite 70% of its GDP being state aid. At the end of the day, if it was as magnificant as you like think it is, people wouldnt be leaving in their thousands anually. Migration flow is the best indicator to weather a city is desireable or not. :cheers:

Wiggles big day out in London ;)
http://www.thewiggles.com.au/

toot toot chugga chugga huh?
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:lol:

State aid, that's not how it works wiggley and I don't have the time to start telling you the ins and outs, the same is true of the English cities wiggly, areas with public spending at that level. Glasgow's gdp per capita is also massively ahead of many large English cities ( double the level in some cases ) and you're quoting your favourite article from the London based Spectator by former editor of the Edinburghman ( The Scotsman ) who is trying to make a point:lol: I don't really see where this crusade is going? You like to pick out the worst parts about whatever city you are slagging off and when anyone asks you a question you completely ignore it. You do seem to be completely obsessed with Glasgow though, I think you have a secret crush on the city. Are you really that jealous of Glasgow or have so much hate in you that you have this pathological need to ramble on for days talking to yourself? I pity you my friend.

somethin about GDP ? lmao

These shaming statistics have not happened because we have looked the other way: public money has poured in; state spending now accounts for 70 per cent of the Glasgow region's GDP

source: http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa3724/is_20070630/ai_n19353605/pg_2

:cheers:

next you'll be tryin to sell me the big issue boards lol :)

It's like talking to a brick wall:|

got anything more substantial than a newspaper article Wiggles?

sicko
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boards, you're a "poor" arguer ;) lol

:lol: Flip sake Crusty.

No-one can have a rational conversation with you wiggy as you are a closed book. Have you ever thought about becoming a representative for the national front or BNP?

boards, you're a "poor" arguer ;) lol

I see your grasp on the English language is not quite as firm as the grasp you have on Leonard Henry's cock there Wiggles

lets see you substantiate all your claims... show me the numbers Wiggles... show me the numbers...
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:lol: Stop it Crusty, I'm in stitches. We all know the true data isn't available, theres the issues with 'identifiables' and 'total' public spending the tax issues - you won't get shit out of Westminster on the real figures, theres also the fact England has a deficit which seems to go unnoticed and the blackholes where tens of billions of ponds are untracable through the English system.

oooh he must be hard at the typing just now... can't wait...

get ready to Wiggle!
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27% of the South East's GDP is comprised of state subsidy.. one of the lowest in the world, whilst the glasgow region's state subsidy is over a staggering 60%

Last year the state employed 28.4% of the Scottish workforce, according to unpublished ONS Labour Force Survey data; on top of that 17% of Scots were either unemployed or claiming incapacity benefit – in other words almost 50% of the potential Scottish labour force depends on the state for its income. Glasgow, Scotland’s largest city and once such an industrial powerhouse it was known as “Second City of the Empire”, is now the undisputed capital of Dependency Britain. More than 50% of Glaswegian households have no earned income, the highest ratio in Britain and a new high watermark for the dependency culture. According to some estimates, state-financed health spending per head in Glasgow is now higher than any other city in the world. Sadly the avalanche of money is not generating healthy lifestyles: the latest available figures from the World Health Organisation and Britain’s Office for National Statistics show that Glasgow’s average male life expectancy (68.7) is lower than Bulgaria and Bosnia (both 69 years), China (70 years) and Libya (71 years). Parts of the east-end of Glasgow have a lower life expectancy than Iran or Iraq. A similar story can be told in the rest of Dependency Britain: a boy born in Norfolk (part of Wealth-Creating Britain) can expect to live to 80, higher than any country in the world; but Liverpool’s male life expectancy (73) is closer to that of El Salvador (68) than that of leafy Elmbridge (79).

Where's this coming from? Do me a little turn on the catwalk here and Substantiate!

You're too sexy Wiggles... too sexy by far
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Ah once again we have wiggy banging on about the life expectancy in Glasgow City itself. You do know wiggy that public spending in the urban areas in England is 45-65% of GDP before you factor in the untraceable funds and get into tax issues? England doesn't publish the relevant data in detail, in fact only is it declared in Scotland, how convenient for the government:| You need to get a grasp on reality, even if you were to take these figures using your wrong interpretation the fact that Glasgow's GDP per capita is so much higher than many of the English regionals would completely blow away the supposed public sector spend. You just keep banging on with the same old crap for days and days with no intention of actually rationally thinking about this, your - the comment on publically funded stadiums was a classic, it was very kind of the government to modernise Ibrox and Celtic Park, I hear the £700m Ibrox refurb is also funded by them, sad man.

That may be true Borads, but Can You Point Your Fingers And Do The Twist?
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Thought not, Leeds must be superior!

1,000s of articles on scotlands horrific deprivation. i guess they must all be wrong ;)

emphasizes how greater Glasgow's particularly terrible performance in terms of deprivation was a major factor in dragging down the overall Scottish mean. (There can be as much as a twenty-year gap in life expectancy between rich and poor areas of Glasgow). A recent report from Demos on Glasgow, The Dreaming City, was attacked by the local council for giving voice to many of the misgivings that Glasgow residents have about the extremes of affluence and poverty in the city.

And if you live here, you know that Glasgow is becoming a dark, divided place - where criminal networks are never far away from stylish bars or consumer emporia, and where the drugs economy grips large areas of estates, filled with the 'flotsam and jetsam'


source: the guardian http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/pat_kane/2007/06/scotland_is_unwell.html

:cheers:

oooh another newspaper article! got Glasgow on the run now Wiggles! :lol:

Instead of harping on and on wiggy address the following points for once in your sad life. Why does Leeds pale so much in relation to the other cities in the UK?

Why does Glasgow have a much larger retail core than Leeds and can support two 1m sq ft malls and the soon to be 800,000 sq ft ( surrently 400,000 sg ft ) Glasgow fort only a few miles from the city centre? The EK Centre with 230 shops is a few miles further out. Why does Glasgow year after year create thousands more jobs than Leeds, surely with it's amazing base to build on with it's skills base Leeds should be creating more? How does Glasgow add more office space than Leeds year after year and has more in the pipeline? Why do more tourists visit Glasgow than Leeds? Why does Glasgow have a hotel sector and pipeline Leeds can only dream of? Glasgow will host the 2014 commonwealth games and has hosted the Champions League final ( for the third time ) and the UEFA cup final in the last few years, Glasgow hosts internationals and champions league football every year and other international sporting events, the city has been European city of culture and European city of sport - what does Leeds do? Glasgow has three stadiums seating over 50,000 people, Leeds has the small Elland Road:lol: Glasgow's fourth arena and a new velodrome will be built before Leeds has single arena:lol: Glasgow has a creative scene Leeds can only dream of with multiple Becks futures winners and a one, two in the Turner prize, bands like Travis, Primal Scream, Snow Patrol, The Fratellis, Franz Ferdinand, Biffy Clyro, Mogwai, then theres Amy McDonald and KT Tunstall busked on the streets of Glasgow - why can't Leeds come close to that? Kelvingrove is the most visited museum outside London with 3.2m visitors a year which pisses on Leeds' attractions - why? Leeds has a pityful number of rail stations in the city, Glasgow has a commuter network of over 180 stations and an underground, the number of people using rail in Glasgow city centre is over 40m to Leeds 17m. Passenger numbers at Glasgow's airports dwarf the airport Leeds share with Bradford. Why does Glasgow destroy Leeds in so many ways? Tell me why wiggy. Your failure to address these points will only confirm your position as the forums number one troll.

I'd rather live in Glasgow for 68.7 years, than Leeds or Norfolk for 80 years.:cheers:

omg Boards' poverty strichen acney has enraged again, he is repeating his posts, getting angrier lol :cheers:

Well said that man Begsy:)

The fact that you never ever address anything anyone says to you wiggy shows what a complete tool you are.

Boards, im not interested in buying the big issue, OR buying an opened bottle of whiskey of you! lol

btw u can buy acne creme for that imflammation it seems very angry :)

I really pity your life wiggy:lol: Are you a grown man or are you in fact a nine year old girl?

I hate to play top trumps with you wiggles!

Wow, that last list makes Leeds look like a small town compared to Glasgow. As for life expectancy... big city life expectancy as opposed to small up its own arse town expectancy...

He'd say he needed a piss, run off with his cards and scribble different figures onto the cards:lol:

Haven't you noticed Accy, Leeds is so far behind the other regionals in terms of infrastructure, amenities and creative scene it's frightening.

I really pity your life wiggy:lol: Are you a grown man or are you in fact a nine year old girl?

arent nine year olds actually considered a grown men in glasgow given the life expectancies that are officially lower than subsaharan africa :banana: lmao

i'll have fries with that please :nuts:

I wouldn't mind if you were actually genuinely witty wiggles but you're not:lol:

Haven't you noticed Accy, Leeds is so far behind the other regionals in terms of infrastructure, amenities and creative scene it's frightening.
Indeed. Its always been on the back of my mind when looking at Leeds projects. The lack of transport infrastructure is especially mind boggling for a city that claims to be among the big boys.

I wouldn't mind if you were actually genuinely witty wiggles but you're not:lol:

what a "poor" come back ;) hasnt your generator run out yet lol

Enough of the Leeds and Glasgow stuff. Time for a bit of Scouser/Brummie bashing!

http://management.silicon.com/itpro/0,39024675,39169581,00.htm

7 January 2008:

Cities with levels of productivity above the average - and growing knowledge economies in both public and private sectors - include Bristol, Leeds and Manchester, as well as Derby, Ipswich and Northampton.

Those cities stand in contrast to the likes of Blackpool, Burnley, Doncaster, Hastings, Liverpool, Plymouth and Wakefield - where private sector employment is diminishing and productivity is much lower than average. These areas have low numbers of graduates, relatively low pay and low skill levels, according to The Work Foundation.

Other regions where private sector employment is in decline include Birmingham, Bournemouth, Chatham, Norwich, Telford and Wigan. Here skills are relatively low and earnings are below average.

Yay, Telford made it onto a list. Even if it wasn't in a good way :banana:

Enough of the Leeds and Glasgow stuff. Time for a bit of Scouser/Brummie bashing!

http://management.silicon.com/itpro/0,39024675,39169581,00.htm

7 January 2008:

Hmm!

Thought Wigan was part of Manchester according to zillions of posts on these forums.

But only when it suits apparently.

Hmm!

Thought Wigan was part of Manchester according to zillions of posts on these forums.

But only when it suits apparently.

I think you'll struggle to find a post by a Manchester forumer who has claimed Wigan to be part of Manchester. On the contrary many, myself included, have stated the exact opposite.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/toys-models/bears/collectable/auction-132389810.htm

If we have a whip-round, maybe we can get him and throw him onto a rubbish skip.

arent nine year olds actually considered a grown men in glasgow given the life expectancies that are officially lower than subsaharan africa :banana: lmao

i'll have fries with that please :nuts:

Oi i find that offensive! I was a McDonalds employee!:tongue3:

well your not anymore so I dont see why you should take offence.

Just another point to add to illustrate political gerry mandering to pull Glasgow down.

A while ago, a report was released which suggested Glasgow was the most violent place in the Western World. Many news papers reported this and there were even tv programs made to back up the claims. Scotsman readers were delighted, and Glasgow's false reputation as a dangerous place was only set in stone.

Strathclyde Police were furious because the figures suggested in the report were 10 times higher than the official figures, and excluded murder (of which Glasgow has a very low rate.) The press had a field day with it. It is sad considering this is one of the safest cities in the UK, going by official figures.

The fact that you, wiggley, have obviously reffered to this report as evidence makes you look quite the clown. Well done.

Boards, im not interested in buying the big issue, OR buying an opened bottle of whiskey of you! lol :)

I imagine Boards would prefer Whisky to whiskey. :)

A while ago, a report was released which suggested Glasgow was the most violent place in the Western World.

I notice that you managed to point out that Glasgow's own police force disputed the findings, but failed to point out the source of the original report. The UN doesn't tend to simply make things up for no reason.

For your information, the reason for the discrepancy between the report and the official figures is that one set is a survey of the population whilst the other only takes into account reported crimes. In cities where crime levels are high the number of crimes reported tends to be lower as people feel the police simply won't help. Also, cities with high levels of gang crime tend to also have a lower percentage reported to police as gang members do not tend to report such incidents.

I imagine Boards would prefer Whisky to whiskey. :)

:cheers:

I remember the day that report came out:lol: Me and a mate were down in Gunchester;) and we got in a taxi, the soft Manc taxi driving was shiteing it:lol: He was like 'you boys from Glasgow a? Fuck it's well hard up there, hardest city in the world,' he then licked our arses for the rest of the journey and stopped his meter early:lol: Like every city the real high crime levels are in the schemes, I couldn't give a flying fuck if the half-bakes want to spend their time wiping each other off the face of the earth:cheers:

Glasgow is doing fine, the Barclays wealth survey ( even the Edinburghman couldn't refute it ), using admittedly 2003 figures ( Glasgow has recorded the highest jobs growth of any city outside London since then , ONS ), showed Glasgow was doing very nicely in relation to the other major cities in the UK. You can go on about public sector spending ( but don't forget the level in the English cities is 50-60% too ) etc but the level at which Glasgow's GDP per capita is ahead of some cities clearly shows that life ain't that bad. The 2007 millionaire's survey also found more liquid millionaires in the Glasgow postal area than anywhere other than SW London and GU Guildford, Surrey. A survey last year of all local authorities ( over 400 ) found East Renfrewshire and East Dunbartonshire as ther top two for raising a family, an astonishing result, these counties are the northern and southern suburbs of Glasgow. Glasgow is also one of the most complete cities in the UK with infrastructure, built environment and a vibe most other cities would die for.

http://news.scotsman.com/ViewArticle.aspx?articleid=2607517

Indeed, everyone I know who's been to Glasgow has come back pleasantly surprised at how pleasant and prosperous it feels. There's only three cities I'd like to live to in this country, and Glasgow is one of them. Leeds unsurprisingly is not.

I've always said Manchester was the only other city I could live in. That's changing though, there are parts of Birmingham and Liverpool I could live in too. I could go a bit of Edinburgh too, extradinary city, I love Aberdeen and Inverness too but that's maybe for my 30's, not now.

come down to Bristol, boards :wave: we could do with more Scots :wave:

Actually, Bristol looked pretty good on Teachers:lol: and obviously from your posts in the streetscape thread:) Could get used to that climate too and the vibe, lol you get to Leigh Delamere services and theres all of a sudden this sort of chilled south-west vibe you pick up on. I'll be passing thorugh Manchester later on my usual excursion from the M6:)

just don't go south of the river....

A while ago, a report was released which suggested Glasgow was the most violent place in the Western World. Would that "Western World" include North American cities? But hey, never mind NA; the British financial magazine 'The Economist', a couple of years ago, published a segment on violent cities in Europe. Naples, Marseilles, Istanbul, Turin and Genoa were the top five followed by Antwerp, Manchester, Gdansk, Odessa and Bucharest. However, those tables not withstanding, violence in European cities pales in comparison to violent crime in US cities. I will say however, that you are more likely to be a victim of random acts of violence in a UK city than in any North American city.

There was a survey a couple of years ago which concluded that Glasgow was the safest city in the UK in which to locate a business premises. Another survey of major city centres around the world concluded Glasgow city centre wasn't among the top 200 most dangerous. Keep your head about you and you'll be fine in mosr cities.

There was a survey a couple of years ago which concluded that Glasgow was the safest city in the UK in which to locate a business premises. Another survey of major city centres around the world concluded Glasgow city centre wasn't among the top 200 most dangerous. Keep your head about you and you'll be fine in mosr cities.

It was a UN survey (yes, the United Nations) that concluded Glasgow was the most violent city in the developed world. Could you tell me who conducted these surveys you mention?

glasgow? really? seems a tad too far fetched :yes: and anyway, if there's any crime it's going on prettty much on the estates etc, rather the city centre, you could say the same for New Orleans, Boston, london, Paris :blahblah:

glasgow? really? seems a tad too far fetched :yes: and anyway, if there's any crime it's going on prettty much on the estates etc, rather the city centre, you could say the same for New Orleans, Boston, london, Paris :blahblah:

and lets not forget naughty rascals such as Hell-boy running a muck in estate-esque Bristol too :yes:

I don't live in an estate! (although i used to :angel:)

It was a UN survey (yes, the United Nations) that concluded Glasgow was the most violent city in the developed world. Just totally unbelievable. What a load of shite some people print on these forums. I mean just think about it, Scotland had 129 murders in 2007, forty of them in Glasgow. New Orleans had 209 murders and Toronto, a safe North American city, had 91 in 2007. So, just who is trying to kid who?

http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/567-3292.aspx

Just totally unbelievable. What a load of shite some people print on these forums. I mean just think about it, Scotland had 129 murders in 2007, forty of them in Glasgow. New Orleans had 209 murders and Toronto, a safe North American city, had 91 in 2007. So, just who is trying to kid who?

But isn't it based on population ratios? :dunno:

glasgow? really? seems a tad too far fetched :yes: and anyway, if there's any crime it's going on prettty much on the estates etc, rather the city centre, you could say the same for New Orleans, Boston, london, Paris :blahblah:

Boston?! I wouldnt say so

Just totally unbelievable. What a load of shite some people print on these forums. I mean just think about it, Scotland had 129 murders in 2007, forty of them in Glasgow. New Orleans had 209 murders and Toronto, a safe North American city, had 91 in 2007. So, just who is trying to kid who?

http://www.strategypage.com/militaryforums/567-3292.aspx
They had more murders but Glasgow had a greater proportion of people having been victim of other types of violent crime, many of which went unreported. North America has higher murder rates due to more relaxed gun controls. Oh, and why are you saying it's people posting on here that are talking shite? We're simply discussing a very well known survey that was all over the newspapers. What does this forum have to do with anything?

Oh, and why are you saying it's people posting on here that are talking shite? We're simply discussing a very well known survey that was all over the newspapers. What does this forum have to do with anything?
The lead detective in the James Bulger murder case said it all in an interview with CBC Television news. At the time the interviewer mentioned that Liverpool was one of the most violent cities in Europe. The detective responded by telling her that violence in UK cities is usually two men fighting outside a pub on a Saturday night, both are charged with assault. In a North American city it is more likely to be one charge for murder. With reference to my description of "shite" being posted on these forums, there is no way that Glasgow, or any other UK city for that matter, is more violent than any major NA city. The figures were shite and repeating them on this, or any other forum, doesn't make them any less shite. As we all know, and especially you Curlyturd, figures don't lie but liars certainly figure.

PS: Clearwater, a sleepy suburb of Tampa/St Pete's, has already had it's secod murder of the year.

I wouldn't put too much stock in any telephone survey whether conducted on behalf of the UN or not.

Fuck me.

Irwell, I'd be very careful if I was you when bringing crime and violence in to 'city bashing'.

Glass houses and all that.

Has crime in city centres gone down in recent years? It would be good to see some figures.

^^probably figures for assault has gone up or stayed the same, for obvious reasons :yes:

for obvious reasons :yes:

Wiggles on a UK tour?

wwhich ones? :tongue3:

I think this a great shot. Flickr

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2329/2180557883_83fdf5f6ae_b.jpg

that is a great shot, but surely it doesn't belong in here? :nuts:

I think this a great shot. Flickr

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2329/2180557883_83fdf5f6ae_b.jpg

I don't think it is a great shot :S (Not because of the buildings or the place or whatever... just as far as photography and the position of buildings etc are concerned...). Why do you think it is a great shot?

because of the types of architecture. And it was to see see who bashes it. ;)

oh. well that's ok :banana:

the middle bit is awful! :banana: (its the same for the rest of the conurbation :tongue2: )
















the city centre is awful being the joke. love the place really.

i can see 5 nice buildings and a overwelming large white concrete wall

does Birmingham or Manchester have the larger city centre? :dunno:

I think Manchester at the moment, but Birminghams has more space to expand.

thought so :yes:

Good good. Glad we got that one sorted. :yes:

Oh God, please no. Don't start a who has the largest city centre debate:lol: 500 pages of ensuing waffle.

That's what this thread was made for though. :lol:

Manc's Still got the Southern and Easten Gateways to expand into, Middlewood Locks and Greengate to the West and The Boddingtons site.

Not forgetting Pomona - the area linking Manc City Centre with the Quays.

It's got potential to be rather big, but it'll take a decade or 5 to achieve it tbh!!

well i put it here as , i was generally interested, but they tend to descend into bashing so i thought it best put it in here just to be safe :yes:

Manc's Still got the Southern and Easten Gateways to expand into, Middlewood Locks and Greengate to the West and The Boddingtons site.

Not forgetting Pomona - the area linking Manc City Centre with the Quays.

It's got potential to be rather big, but it'll take a decade or 5 to achieve it tbh!!

i always thought this nice meandering thing would make a great area (if i was an all powerful being, well... more than i already am, then i'd expand the city centre into this area :yes:

http://wikimapia.org/#lat=53.485671&lon=-2.259107&z=15&l=0&m=s&v=1

Ah yes, forgot about that, that's 'Central Salford', big things are to happen there too, including two 25 storey plus towers, which have both been approved next to the sharp curve (one Alsop designed which looks fab!!) :)

so am i right thinking this is how big manchesters' central core is at the mo'?

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/manc.jpg

Missed off a few areas, but near enough. :)

Missed off a few areas, but near enough. :)

Cor! What a whopper.:shocked:

I think Manchester at the moment, but Birminghams has more space to expand.

Don't think so. Walked around both of them and they are about the same. Birmingham it's bigger from east to west while Manchester it's more evenly developed

so how spot on are these? (dont compare as they're not to scale)

edit: images are dead.

How come you left out Brum?

How come you left out Brum?

Indeed, shame on you:nono: If Molly finds out he'll cut your fury little balls off.

Of course density, average building height and footprint need to be looked at as well. Below are pictures of the densest parts of some city centres, these are to scale, intersting the difference in styles isn't it?

Brum,

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/google3.jpg

Manc,

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/google1.jpg



Glasgow,

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/google2-1.jpg

because Brums aerial image is shite :yes: and i know it more so than the other cities what with me luriking around the west mid forum :yes:

I love the blockyness of Glasgows' layout.

Thats Georgian splendour not blockiness! So good the yanks stole the grid.

more like Glasgow stole it off the romans :gossip:

It's well documented that cities such as Chicago and Melbourne took their inspiration from Glasgow and even that New York did. Glasgow's 'subway' being the third oldest in the world the yanks may have stole that title too.

Looks good though,

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/g9-1.jpg

Sheffield: seems nice and straight forward :sly:, no pretentious dillydallying like other cities.
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/shef.jpg

Tut tut. Missed out a whole chunk up at the top (the Quays, Riverside and Kelham Island). :nono:

I love how green Sheffield is.

It's well documented that cities such as Chicago and Melbourne took their inspiration from Glasgow and even that New York did. Glasgow's 'subway' being the third oldest in the world the yanks may have stole that title too.




sources?

(im being a irwell wiggley thing tonight :yes:)

well Paulmat, show me then, show me what it should look like :ohno: (it was a good guess, doubt you could do the same for bristol :shifty:)

so how spot on are these? Hull: just because :lovethem:
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/hull.jpg


Not bad! :okay:

Although, I would include the section of land east of the River Hull and North of the deep , as it is being connected by a spectacular new bridge to the heart of the city centre this year, as well as work starting on the Boom apartments and cafes, restaurants etc. :)

Too many to list, it's covered in Glasgow forum somewhere, as for the underground it existed before any system in the states and was known as the subway from it's inception. I don't think you can utter Irwell and wiggly in the same breath;)

Glasgow looks like the original Sim City :)

God I haven't played that in years. What's it like these days?

Thats Georgian splendour not blockiness! So good the yanks stole the grid. I heard that Birkenhead was the first modern British city to be laid out in a grid? Don't know if that can be verified though.

Maybe it was? But it's certainly thought that a number of cities took inspiration from Glasgow's.

i used to love playing simcity the original on the amiga500 :)

i used to build meg-metropolises lol

btw, you've missed out about a third of leeds city centre but still a good attempt :)

Those were the days:) The Amiga was different league when it came out ( unless you were one of the Atari safari boys ). Then the 1200 blew me away.

i used to love playing simcity the original on the amiga500 :)

i used to build meg-metropolises lol

btw, you've missed out about a third of leeds city centre but still a good attempt :)

im sure they're not important :tongue2: (seriously though, which bits?)

most of the south of the river. The city starts right at the m621 exit, where you are greeted with bewleys inn, the bowling alley, sweet street, velocity, city walk, and bridgewater place.

why. did you stick your dick in the expansion port?

Yours might be expansion port size but mine certainly isn't.

i had the A1200 with a 40 Meg HD, thats meg, not gig lmao

i was so passionate about it, coz it was the bees knees, the only proper multitasking pc for like a decade. i cried when i was a kid and i couldnt buy the magazines anymore lol

I heard that Birkenhead the first modern British city to be laid out in a grid? Don't know if that can be verified though.

I think the New Town in Edinburgh precedes it; the architect of hamilton square was from edinburgh, and william laird was a scot too

It seemed better back then, embracing the new technology, everything is just too perfect now. Anyone miss bush? I prefer a shaven haven but its been a while since I had a big natural bush, would make a nice change.

most of the south of the river. The city starts right at the m621 exit, where you are greeted with bewleys inn, the bowling alley, sweet street, velocity, city walk, and bridgewater place.

so what i said then ;)

awww just when we thought wiggley and Boards had found a connection :colbert:

Believe it or not, I don't dislike wiggley.

i'll be honest. i do dislike you. one minute your normal, and the next, your lashing out about leeds despite no provocation, its like you're hormonal or somat lol. that said, im used to it now :P

I'm not surprised you dislike me, you have a great fear of my brilliance.

no i just think your a prick to be fair. lol i like irwell tho, despite our disagreemets. he can keep his cool too :)

:lol: Took your time to come back with that, rather dissapointing. To be fair, you're widely regarded as the biggest prick in the forum.

ere helium, the bit past the river, that people not from leeds seem to assume isnt the city centre,
looks like this along the main arterial road towards the river (see pics below).
The pinpoint on the map is here -->
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&time=&date=&ttype=&q=city+walk,+leeds&sll=53.789573,-1.537871&sspn=0.01222,0.039911&ie=UTF8&ll=53.791044,-1.542163&spn=0.012219,0.039911&z=15&om=1

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/danlad/buildings/Clipboard01.jpg


http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/danlad/buildings/Clipboard02.jpg

Meh needed room in photobucket account so this post is now irrelevent :bowtie:

Whats the round building in the bottom left of the picture?

Tis the amphitheatre, just a some banking offices nothing special.

Still, it's different. Great city, Bristol.

*holds breath, waits*

i see :yes:

actually looking at it, this area i should have included i've seen it enough times...
http://wikimapia.org/#lat=53.791006&lon=-1.533194&z=17&l=0&m=s&v=1



aye, thats clarence dock, its an extension to the city centre, so its on the fringe. the view from clarence dock towards the the rest of the city centre is here...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2341/1798094587_662f5baaae_b.jpg

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/danlad/cc-1.jpg


http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/danlad/cc-2.jpg

Helium, you outlined the City Core for Leeds. (There is an official definition of the City Centre by LCC, posted somewhere on this forum too btw). But the city centre goes quite far south. Most of the new office/city living space is to the south of the river at places like BWP and Clarence Dock, going down as far as the M621 in places.

Do you have signs which say 'Welcome to Leeds City Centre'? or 'Welcome to Leeds' City Core'? ;)

Mcr's city centre was much bigger than Brum's but there has been quite an aggressive expansion over the past 15 years and the council have redefined the city centre as everything inside the Middleway, plus a blob at Fiveways. It's now 8000 acres (I think).

Oh yeah - this is a city-bashing thread...

SO THERE! :tongue:

I think although Brum had a smallish city centre, meant it was already reasonably well developed, so has had to expand outwards.

Manc on the other hand with its larger centre have been buildng it up on former surface car parks and derelict areas in the centre, which of course is now a similar story on the outskirts of Brum CC.

Manc still has a few areas to develop in the city centre, but is also expanding gradually, but obviously is concentrating still on the city centre core, especially around the main Train Stations, like Piccadilly & Victoria.

So ner ;)

well Paulmat, show me then, show me what it should look like :ohno: (it was a good guess, doubt you could do the same for bristol :shifty:)

Nah, there's probably no point. It's all a bit shit round there. ;) But yean, it was a good guess. :yes:

Comparing Inner Manc and Brum... well to be kind of hyperbolic:

i would say Bham had the most crap bits :yes: there's too many industrial ksdfgnsgns-ness and other ugly bits all around the good bit (which is lacking tbh... edit: by that I mean in terms of area) and annoying 1960s uglyness (edit: though just to point out some of the less conventionally appealing areas are actually pretty vibrant which is something other cities in this country find it difficult to do) in and around the ringroad (the one which marks the centre/core of BHam, you know the A4540) but then it has some nice leafy suburbs close by though (edgbaston, large swathes of Solihull, moseley(sp)) and has much more nicer suburbia than-

Manchester which has a vastly (edit: ok a little too exaggerated) superior city centre but just crap for miles (and the nice bits that are close are few and far between) outside it....

bash!:bash: :)

Manchester which has a vastly superior city centre but just crap for miles (and the nice bits that are close are few and far between) outside it....

bash!:bash: :)

Only since the 1996 bomb has Manc really turned the city centre around, brum, had great development in the early 90's and now of course.

Plus, the miles of crap are slowly being eaten away, New Broughton, New East Manchester, Holt Town etc are being transformed, ala like Hulme was i guess, but better architecturally, so Inner City areas like these are benefitting from the City Centre's 'ripple effect' :)

i would say Bham had the most crap bits :yes: there's too many industrial ksdfgnsgns-ness and other ugly bits all around the good bit (which is lacking tbh...) and annoying 1960s uglyness in and around the ringroad (the one which marks the centre/core of BHam, you know the A4540) but then it has some nice leafy suburbs close by though (edgbaston, large swathes of Solihull, moseley(sp)) and has much more nicer suburbia than-

Manchester which has a vastly superior city centre but just crap for miles (and the nice bits that are close are few and far between) outside it....

bash!:bash: :)

Why do you spend so much time in the Brummie forum if you find it so fugly? Also as a rule the biggest industrial cities tend to have the largest industrial areas, strange huh. I take you don't often go into Brums northern suburbs like Perry Barr, Witton or Aston then?

^^because I like it why else? and see its potential and anyway don't take it as gospel like I said I was being hyperbolic if it helps I've edited it to try to clarify a few things. though it doesn't help you quoted I change my mind so quickly on everything as you're no doubt aware :ohno: tomorrow that post will haunt me!
Only since the 1996 bomb has Manc really turned the city centre around, brum, had great development in the early 90's and now of course.

Plus, the miles of crap are slowly being eaten away, New Broughton, New East Manchester, Holt Town etc are being transformed, ala like Hulme was i guess, but better architecturally, so Inner City areas like these are benefitting from the City Centre's 'ripple effect' :)

there's that Tutti frutti thing in between the centre and commonwealth stadium isn't there? :happy:

i'd like to see decent inner city areas in Manchester (because there has to be) (and they seem to do it so well on the continent) but given the state of the UK planning and architectural scene, we may just see the same as we have before (i.e bland maze like cul-de sac council estates, only difference is that they're made in the 21st century)

I suppose potential is a valid reason, its why I can stand Telford.

We're not allowed cul-de-sacs anymore. Or at least we're discouraged from having them. I despise them.

I suppose potential is a valid reason, its why I can stand Telford.

We're not allowed cul-de-sacs anymore. Or at least we're discouraged from having them. I despise them.

It's just an example T-man :poke: I can't list every single reason for everything you know :poke:

Well you shouldn't annoy us planners, we'll have a nuclear plant built next to you, and don't :poke: me >(

^^Being a bitch, today I see >( ;)

Anyway you can't, you're just a planner you're only there to push pencils and paper and what for? nothing that's what! :angel:

Birmingham's a dump :baeh3: oohhhh watchu gonna a doo telfordboy? whatchu gonna do! :baeh3:



















:lovethem:

Yes, but what do policy planners do except suggest locations for development :tongue: I'm not being a bitch, I never am :angel:

Oh and say what you want about Birmingham, I'm not from there, but Sim might kick your fool ass.

Yes, but what do policy planners do except suggest locations for development :tongue: I'm not being a bitch, I never am :angel:

Oh and say what you want about Birmingham, I'm not from there, but Sim might kick your fool ass.

You're the one with the problem biatch!

good try! it really depends how you'd define the city centre. Up until recently a lot of people would not describe the Albert Dock, the Pier head nor any of the docks as being in the city centre, but the city is currently expanding out and along the river. Personnally id include the two unis as being in the city centre, but some people may define them as on the periphery. Those little housing estates of bungalows & semis that I know you love, the ones you've missed out are generally regarded as being city centre locally, as before the bungalow-madness lots of these sites were densely populated tenement blocks (called gardens, eg gerard gardens), and before that even denser packed courts.


liverpool: not sure whether or not Canning town is considered, but it felt like it...
http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/liver.jpg

good try! it really depends how you'd define the city centre. Up until recently a lot of people would not describe the Albert Dock, the Pier head nor any of the docks as being in the city centre, but the city is currently expanding out and along the river. Personnally id include the two unis as being in the city centre, but some people may define them as on the periphery. Those little housing estates of bungalows & semis that I know you love, the ones you've missed out are generally regarded as being city centre locally, as before the bungalow-madness lots of these sites were densely populated tenement blocks (called gardens, eg gerard gardens), and before that even denser packed courts.

yes, love them :shifty:





i hate them Yoshef, i really do :cry:

sorry telfordboy but its nipping away at me... :pet:
Why do you spend so much time in the Brummie forum if you find it so fugly? . I take you don't often go into Brums northern suburbs like Perry Barr, Witton or Aston then?

well no, because why would i need to? :|
Besides I've been through Perry Barr and it's no way a terrible area.

Also as a rule the biggest industrial cities tend to have the largest industrial areas, strange huh
well yeah, but so what? im talking about the bits that are around the centre, on its doorstep, now they have their place in the world :yes: but when they are where they are, well....

But im not just talking about the industrial bits im talking about the bits in between the city centre and the outer ringroad just overall, and what im talking about is that its not very nice :tongue: so excuse me for criticising something many a brum forumer has done many a time :tongue:

will you two kiss and make up

and can i watch :nuts:

your like an old wittering married couple :)

and can get we get back to city bashing !

Que?! :eek:

i think people should start bashing the the large village of bristol, it always seems to escape a lashing :)

sorry telfordboy but its nipping away at me... :pet: :(



well no, because why would i need to? :|

You were comparing suburbs, I was suggesting that Brum has as many scabby ones as Manchester


well yeah, but so what? im talking about the bits that are around the centre, on its doorstep, now they have their place in the world :yes: but when they are where they are, well....

Usually called the inner city, often the site of industry. Probably something to do with the rapid expansion that industrialisation caused and combined with Birmingham's concrete collar, the Queensway

but im not just talking about the industrial bits im talking about the bits in between the city centre and the outer ringroad just overall, and what im talking about is that its not very nice :tongue: so excuse me for criticising something many a brum forumer has done many a time :tongue:

*Pedant alert* Are you sure you are talking about the outer Ringroad, the A4040 which encircles most of the city or are you talking about the Middleway that is apparently the new boundary of the city centre?

I'm only messing :lovethem: and No Wiggley you can't watch. Pervert ;)

You were comparing suburbs, I was suggesting that Brum has as many scabby ones as Manchester
Yes but it also has a greater amount of nice ones and Manchester deprived areas give Brum's a run for their money if you have the chance go for a tour around Manchesters eastern side from failsworth down to Reddish and see what I mean.
Basically just to clarify I meant Birmingham had a more extensive, frequent and concentration of nice inner city neighbourhoods whereas Manchester had a better developed centre but when it came to having decent inner city neighbourhoods (or even the semi outer ones)it just wasn't as extensive, concentrated or frequent as Brum's were.

Usually called the inner city, often the site of industry. Probably something to do with the rapid expansion that industrialisation caused and combined with Birmingham's concrete collar, the Queensway
You see that's the problem with you Birmingham folk (even though you're from Telford) :poke:


*Pedant alert* Are you sure you are talking about the outer Ringroad, the A4040 which encircles most of the city or are you talking about the Middleway that is apparently the new boundary of the city centre?
That thing... i think, its what the Brummies show when is the city centre during penis comparing contests especially with Manchester :yes:

Nope thats the Middleway, the outer ring is different.

well i dont know, its that thing with the tarmac thats all and it cuts off Edgbaston (i think) :yes:

The Middleway :yes: My god, you Bristolians are as thick as you sound :poke:

The Middleway :yes: My god, you Bristolians are as thick as you sound :poke:

well you sound worse because you have a brummie accent, its the bum sneeze of the British accents :yes:

i think the brummie accent looses on this one. bristol accent can be quite horny i reckon.

I dont like the leeds accent tho, they all sound mentally retarted up here lol. That said, a lot of leeds is so 'gentrified' with us poncey southerners, you rarely have to hear leeds accents unless you go to workin mens clubs, bingo halls, and traditional places like that lol :P :P

well you sound worse because you have a brummie accent, its the bum sneeze of the British accents :yes:

I do not have a brummie accent :puke:

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I dont like the leeds accent tho, they all sound mentally retarted up here lol.

I'd expact a backlash from fellow Leeds forumers who are real Loiners now! Watch they don't dis-own you after that comment!!

i have to agree with wiggley about the sexy bristol accent, but only in the case of females :)

I do not have a brummie accent :puke:

no, yours is worse.

and for the record, i barely have any rhotic accent :tongue2:

i think the brummie accent looses on this one. bristol accent can be quite horny i reckon.

I dont like the leeds accent tho, they all sound mentally retarted up here lol. That said, a lot of leeds is so 'gentrified' with us poncey southerners, you rarely have to hear leeds accents unless you go to workin mens clubs, bingo halls, and traditional places like that lol :P :P

do you have a cockney accent, or do you talk like the queen?

^^or a queen given what goes in the skybar :gossip:

i think people should start bashing the the large village of bristol, it always seems to escape a lashing :)

no.

no, yours is worse.

How do you know? Spoke to many Telfordians have you? I may have a bit of that western farmer in there, along with a bit of midlands and a tiny little bit of scouse. Its a bit random. It also absorbs any other accent that we come into contact with, quickly.

How do you know? Spoke to many Telfordians have you? I may have a bit of that western farmer in there, along with a bit of midlands and a tiny little bit of scouse. Its a bit random. It also absorbs any other accent that we come into contact with, quickly.

well how do you what i sound like? biatch :tongue:

i know all the bit in bold as you've said many a time :yes:













































and im sure it sounds awful... ;)

How do you know? Spoke to many Telfordians have you? I may have a bit of that western farmer in there, along with a bit of midlands and a tiny little bit of scouse. Its a bit random. It also absorbs any other accent that we come into contact with, quickly.

You're a hybrid!

Yep, and imagine it all slow and stoned/lazy sounding. Thats me :yes:

yeah and then there's your accent :|

lol.

you nomad you.

And no, i dont talk like the queen, or *a* queen LOL. And I dont talk posh either.

Its a watered down cockney east london essex accent, with a yorkshire twang. It sounds funny coz i use southern sounding words, with yorkshire expressions and sentances, like i miss out the words "to the" and replace it with the sound "teh"

but i dont say things like "innit" or geeza anymore lol, or "your avina larrrrrf" coz u stick out like a sore thumb

theres nowt better than a yorkshire accent!

it really doesnt do it for me. Strong yorkshire accents sound really thick imo, and burley big bouncers calling you "love" just seems funny :P

South leeds accents are the worst, and seacroft whinmoor way, you can feel the spit landing on your face as they speak next to you :shifty:

love ya really 36_ste :)

who calls you love, only old men say that
you must be going to some gay bar or summat!
some of the little ragbags sound annoying, but a proper yorkshire accent is the one
better than that posh southern fairy accent!!! :lol:

you know how it is, theres no where better than where you was born!

the bus driver this morning said "ta lov" ;) he was big, burley, and covered in tatoos. He didnt look gay. Unless it was a lesbian bus driver :)

you know how it is, theres no where better than where you was born!

If that's how you speak I'd rather have the posh southern fairy accent any day! :baeh3:

The Londonshire accent works best on TV most of the time. :yes:

The Londonshire accent works best on TV most of the time. :yes:

The Mancunianshire accent works on TV all the time! :lol:

"where you was born" is correct aint it?

"where you were born" is incorrect or more colloquial aint it?

lots of people here say "i were born" lol now that sounds funny

Where you were born= Correct.
Where you was born= incorrect
Where I was born=Correct.
Because I=am/was, You=are/were.

I also hate Yorkshire accents, and Leeds accents. Luckily a Leeds accent is heard rarely these days (especially since the city has become "southern-fied"), and Yorkshire accents don't really apply to this area and never have done.

Do you have signs which say 'Welcome to Leeds City Centre'? or 'Welcome to Leeds' City Core'?

Neither actually :) The City Core is what you would visit on a usual visit to the city, and what was once the city centre. But since city centre living and new offices have been built, the fringes of the city centre have now become definite city centre, like the riverside and Clarence Dock, but they wouldn't be considered city core.

It actually says just "Welcome to Leeds" as you enter the city centre. As you enter the city it just says "Leeds" with "welcome to" in really small type.
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/45/189520732_2d7084d61e.jpg?v=0

Where you were born= Correct.
Where you was born= incorrect
Where I was born=Correct.
Because I=am/was, You=are/were.


Phew! Thanks for clearing that up Leeds No.1 - I didn't know where to start. :lol: Wigglets - take note of all that. :baeh3:

lol. i always thought it was "when was you born?"

but its clearly wrong, it must be an essex thing :P. Having said that, every other sentance I can think of that is similar, i use "were". I only appear to use "was" when using "born". So im not *that* mentally retarded.. and to think I got an A at english GCSE :P

Well GCSEs in Essex aren't the same as the rest of the country :yes:

I notice alot that "is" is used around alot instead of "are". Not that this has anything to do with city bashing... But people say "how many people is there..." "how many places is there..." etc. Of course, it should be "how many people are there..." "how many places are there...". Anyway!

shall we rename this thread to the word-bashing thread?


I think its good we have city wide banter thread like this.

the jewellery quarter is overrated!

I notice alot that "is" is used around alot instead of "are". Not that this has anything to do with city bashing... But people say "how many people is there..." "how many places is there..." etc. Of course, it should be "how many people are there..." "how many places are there...". Anyway!

I'd say a cause of that is the abundance of utter rubbish on the TV, Eastenders-speak/Grange Hill-speak, Estuary English on DIY shows, etc...

the jewellery quarter is overrated!

St Paul's isn't as ghetto as lozells. In fact it's quite soft.

:baeh3:

^^surprised you've heard of st pauls, well St Pauls has nicer buildings :yes: i wouldnt mind living there.

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oh they moved grange hill to Liverpool didnt they?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/34/050123_61.jpg/398px-050123_61.jpg


Hmmm.... nice!

I've not quite got the hang of this city bashing have I?

neither have i tbh :(

^^surprised you've heard of st pauls, well St Pauls has nicer buildings :yes: i wouldnt mind living there.

oh they moved grange hill to Liverpool didnt they?

Yeah I heard about that - I stopped watching Grange Hill in the eighties to be fair but "idiot speak" rubs off on kids who watch the those TV shows.

the jewlerry quarter is very overated imo, unless i'm thinking of somewhere else. I went to Brum to go to the indian embassy for a visa to goa, and its in the jewlerry quarter. I expected some sort of "quarter", but it just mostly seemed like a derelict out of use ex industrial and ex-office and warehosue buildings, and it also seemed detatched and away from the city centre, which was fine, i wasnt expecting anything other than a visa lol. But then the next week i saw on the telly that location location location or somat, and they were wanting a pad in brum, and the jewlerry quarter was put across as the trendy fashionable area of appartments in the city centre.. i thought in my head ... your avina larrrrf.

No doubt someone will see this as some kind of eevil city bashing attack, and launch into a cooridinated gang attack on leeds lmao.

i think it would be good if it was like Shoreditch or a williamsburg-esque (NYC) area but its not... its a tad dead... maybe its a good thing?

im not saying Birmingham should copy other cities, but it could do with an obvious alternative area.

(there's the custard factory but thats just a small bit out in the boondocks....)

the jewlerry quarter is very overated imo, unless i'm thinking of somewhere else. I went to Brum to go to the indian embassy for a visa to goa, and its in the jewlerry quarter. I expected some sort of "quarter", but it just mostly seemed like a derelict out of use ex industrial and ex-office and warehosue buildings, and it also seemed detatched and away from the city centre, which was fine, i wasnt expecting anything other than a visa lol. But then the next week i saw on the telly that location location location or somat, and they were wanting a pad in brum, and the jewlerry quarter was put across as the trendy fashionable area of appartments in the city centre.. i thought in my head ... your avina larrrrf.

No doubt someone will see this as some kind of eevil city bashing attack, and launch into a cooridinated gang attack on leeds lmao.

Yeah they don't make the most of it. Parts are pretty nice and the city centre is steadily stretching towards it via Snow Hill and Great Charles Street. In a couple of years it'll be better. Same goes for Digbeth where the Custard Factory is.