I never was arguing that Ilkley is part of Leeds; I don't think it is. Similarly, Altrincham is not part of Manchester, or at least no more than Ilkley is part of Leeds.

World's best hotels: http://www.tripadvisor.com/TravelersChoice

In the UK:
9) Chesterfield Mayfair Hotel London
12) Rudding Park Harrogate
49) Atlantic Hotel Channel Islands
78) Hotel 41 London
85) Draycott Hotel London
91) Summer House Country Hotel Dorset

The caveat being:
The TripAdvisor® Travelers' Choice™ award winners for 2008 were determined by a combination of TripAdvisor's Popularity Index and traveler ratings of specific attributes. TripAdvisor's Popularity Index is a proprietary algorithm that determines traveler satisfaction based on a variety of sources, including TripAdvisor hotel reviews and travel articles and opinions found throughout the web.

Well yes, I worked that one out considering it is TripAdvisor, ie a reviews/feedback site.

Similarly, Altrincham is not part of Manchester, or at least no more than Ilkley is part of Leeds.

God you're annoying.

Let the municipal boundaries go. I know they're a comfort to you on a dark night, but they're fairly meaningless. Altrincham is a suburb of Manchester, like Wandsworth is in London or some well to do place attached to the side of Leeds is to Leeds.

Ilkley is in the middle of nowhere, surrounded by fields and overshadowed by a sheep scattered moor.

There is countryside between Ilkley and Leeds, and there certainly isn't between Altringham and Manchester.

Nevertheless, Ikley is very much a Leeds commuter town. Numero Uno isn't being as outré as some are suggesting.

I never mentioned boundaries... Altrincham isn't even inside the M60. We might as well say Wolverhampton is part of Birmingham while we're at it.

I never was arguing that Ilkley is part of Leeds; I don't think it is. Similarly, Altrincham is not part of Manchester, or at least no more than Ilkley is part of Leeds.

World's best hotels: http://www.tripadvisor.com/TravelersChoice

In the UK:
9) Chesterfield Mayfair Hotel London
12) Rudding Park Harrogate
49) Atlantic Hotel Channel Islands
78) Hotel 41 London
85) Draycott Hotel London
91) Summer House Country Hotel Dorset

What has Tripadvisor got to do with the Leading Hotels of the World? Tripadvisor is just a forum not a list of the worlds best hotels. Oh by the way did I mention The Lowry Hotel, Salford, Manchester is one of the leading hotels of the world how did Leeds make out Leeds No1?

Who decides what the worlds best hotels are? The people using them are the best judge of that.

Your last sentence doesn't make sense

I never mentioned boundaries... Altrincham isn't even inside the M60. We might as well say Wolverhampton is part of Birmingham while we're at it.

Leeds N01 you are totally stupid! Failsworth,Bury, Radcliffe and Urmston are all areas of Manchester to name but a few that are outside the M60 so are you telling me these along with many other towns are not part of Manchester? :nuts:

You're the people who are saying that boundaries don't matter so why is it even an issue. The M60 in most peoples view is the furthest extent of Manchester.

Manchester Airport is in Manchester, and that's further away from the M60 than Altrincham, which is why the M60 is called the Outer Ring Road, not an Orbital! And it's also called the 'Outer' ring road, because we have an Inner ring road around the city centre!

Wolverhampton is a City in its own right, with its own centre.

Altrincham is a commuter town, under Trafford Met Council, within Greater Manchester.

By the way, there's an advert currently on the radio for Carcraft.

It says Rochdale, North Manchester.

Not 'near', not 'North of', not 'Lancashire'

To be honest, that's the first I've heard an ad mention Rochdale like that, but it's likely it'll become a lot more common.

Who decides what the worlds best hotels are? The people using them are the best judge of that.

Your last sentence doesn't make sense


I doubt most people can afford to stop in the Burj Al Arab or the Hotel de Paris in Monte Carlo so basing which is the best hotel on the amount of reviews on a forum such as tripadvisor is totally meaningless. Leading Hotels of the World is the recognised industry leader. Again Leeds No1 I will ask, does Leeds have a hotel belonging to this most exclusive of hotels of the world? Or should I tell you now that not one of Leeds hotels meets the standard required.:ohno:

Indeed, the Met Borough of Bradford it is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilkley

Ilkley is LS29 by postcode, and its phone numbers are 0113 (Leeds). Its also officially in Leeds TTWA because it is essentially an upmarket commuter town. The expensive houses in ilkley are not funded by greg and marther working in check outs in ilkley high st, they are funded by people on 40-70k jobs, who work in leeds city centre.

^^

http://www.lhw.com/searchresults.aspx?countryid=30&cityid=0

Who would've thought one of the Leading Hotels Of The World was in Salford!!!!! :cheers:

Ilkley is LS29 by postcode, and its phone numbers are 0113 (Leeds). Its also officially in Leeds TTWA because it is essentially an upmarket commuter town. The expensive houses in ilkley are not funded by greg and marther working in check outs in ilkley high st, they are funded by people on 40-70k jobs, who work in leeds city centre.

Doesn't change the fact it's part of Bradford. :lol:

By the way, there's an advert currently on the radio for Carcraft.

It says Rochdale, North Manchester.

Not 'near', not 'North of', not 'Lancashire'

To be honest, that's the first I've heard an ad mention Rochdale like that, but it's likely it'll become a lot more common.

Chogmook agreed, I like the sound of that. As Manchester grows I can only see the city boundaries expanding right out, a natural progression of our great city.

Wolverhampton is interesting. They really fought to get city status in 2000 as they didn't want to get consumed into Birmingham.

They are in Greater Brum but a city in their own right.

The black country however is going for it's own version of a polycentric city like Stoke-on-Trent with each of the four key cities/towns being a hub for shopping, education, office and something else I can't remember.

As for postcodes and telephone codes Wiggley - my home town of Cannock, Staffordshire has a Walsall postcode and a joint telephone code with Lichfield. Postcode areas and telephone codes are not as clear cut, as if they are, as administrative areas. The B postcode for Birmingham covers Tamworth and Redditch both commuter towns for Brum and what might be conceived as on border of Greater Birmingham.

For postcode reference this map might be worth a gander

http://blogs.tmb.uk.com/underthesun/uk_postcode_map.gif

blogs.tmb.uk.com/underthesun/

So Wiggles as you can see, using your postcode theory, Newcastle and Carlisle together spans the North of England!

And Belfast takes up the ENTIRE Northern Ireland!!

And if you want to talk church Dioceses, then Salford is a force to be reckoned with!

I found out today it takes in Oldham of all places!!

And if you want to talk church Dioceses, then Salford is a force to be reckoned with!

I found out today it takes in Oldham of all places!!


http://www.catholic-ew.org.uk/dioc/diocmap006.gif

Now I know why you think Leeds is so big!!!

There is countryside between Ilkley and Leeds, and there certainly isn't between Altringham and Manchester.

Nevertheless, Ikley is very much a Leeds commuter town. Numero Uno isn't being as outré as some are suggesting.

But Knutsford is a Manchester commuter town. Wilmslow is a Manchester commuter town. And if a restaurant in Knutsford won a Michelin star I wouldn't try and claim it for Manchester (In fact I'm not really trying to claim Juniper for Manchester because if it's not in the centre it doesn't really add anything to the urban lifestyle for most people in Manchester) but to say that Altrincham and Ilkley have equivalent relationships with their regional centre is clearly utter bollocks.

EDIT: Chogs they're Catholic dioceses, and therefore don't count. It's all about the Anglican dioceses.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/71/Salisbury_Diocese.jpg/479px-Salisbury_Diocese.jpg

The other day I was wathching that programme where people buy property in auctions and do them up (Homes under the hammer BBC1). One of the houses for auction was right by a railway viaduct, up for an estimate of £40k, less than 2 miles from Manchester city centre... "with uninterupted countryside beyond its back yard". You just don't get that in the real city of Liverpool.
:)

Probably one of the flood plains. Manchester has rivers coming out of its arse. The Mersey for one.

The other day I was wathching that programme where people buy property in auctions and do them up (Homes under the hammer BBC1). One of the houses for auction was right by a railway viaduct, up for an estimate of £40k, less than 2 miles from Manchester city centre... "with uninterupted countryside beyond its back yard". You just don't get that in the real city of Liverpool.
:)

That'll be Beetham Tower mate! ;)

You sure you didn't mean 400k?! :)

Probably one of the flood plains. Manchester has rivers coming out of its arse. The Mersey for one.

And guess where the sh*t ends up?! :lol:






:jk:

:lol:

This IS the city bashing thread!

EDIT: Chogs they're Catholic dioceses, and therefore don't count. It's all about the Anglican dioceses.



Lichfield with a t, :ohno:.

Naughty CoE

its funny to see you all arguing over *one* restaurant in each city that has a michellin star. It hardly makes a quantifying scale of how good the restaurant experience is in a city.

Birmingham has one too Simpson's in Edgbaston.

By the way I booked a table at Simpson for the 16th of Feb.....

Not any more Soul. Latest report has only Simpsons. Jessica's chef left to set up his own restaurant and that didn't get a star.


Midland restaurants keep Michelin stars Jan 24 2008

Four Midland restaurants have retained their one-star status in the new Michelin guide. The four are: Simpsons, in Birmingham; Mallory Court in Royal Leamington Spa, Warwickshire; Stagg Inn in Kington/Titley, Herefordshire, and Mr Underhill's at Dinham Weir, Ludlow, Shropshire.
Other winners in this year's Michelin guide include celebrity chef Gary Rhodes' restaurant Rhodes W1 and South Indian restaurant Quilon, both in London, which gained one Michelin star apiece.

Lovely weather tonight guys....

Well the book is published tomorrow and from all the reports, Independent, Guardian, Telegraph and our own Birmingham Post articles we only have one so will check the book.

I'm not being funny, I'd like us to have two but going on the evidence we lost the one star last year for Jessica's so as far as im concerned we have only one.

Hmmm if that's the case it's time for some editing....

The "CITY OF BIRMINGHAM" can support 1 michellin restaurant so why cant the "CITY OF MANCHESTER" and the "CITY OF LEEDS"??????????????Lol

How many has the city of Liverpool got?If you say none, I won't believe you!

Anf if "WOLVERHAMPTON" is a city in its own right which it is with its own centre, then so is "SALFORD" with its own centre which would make Manchester very small wouldnt it.

Nah mate. Salford is Manchester, Wolves is a very different entity to Birmingham.

Anf if "WOLVERHAMPTON" is a city in its own right which it is with its own centre, then so is "SALFORD" with its own centre which would make Manchester very small wouldnt it.

There is only one City Centre in the conurbation, it just so happens that Manchester and Salford share it!

Although Salford Quays is becoming a mini Canary Wharf ;)

How many has the city of Liverpool got?If you say none, I won't believe you!

None!

I think...

London Carriage Works is close to being awarded one though.

Fraiche in Oxton, Birkenhead has got the closest yet, having been listed by Michelin as a "Rising Star" in their most recent two books. Rising Stars frequently get stars in subsequent guides.

Doesn't change the fact it's part of Bradford. :lol:

All the addresses in Ilkley follow this pattern:

25 Swallow Avenue, Ilkley, Leeds, LS29 7GH. And their phone numbers are Leeds 0113

Now i'm not even disputing that altrincham is part of manchester, but ironically does it follow the same address pattern? ;)

Another thing to remember is that many of Leeds' suburbs have the fortune of being quite 'rural' anyway, where some greenery is witnessed whilst driving out to these suburban areas. Leeds' makeup is diferent to manchester in this sense. So to use the rule "its not part of the primary urban area" doesnt add up, because most of Leeds isnt one urban sprawl. Its luckily enough to be more suburban.. even just 5 minutes out of the city centre.

Lol postcodes. Oban has a Paisley postcode and it's a hundred miles away. The county town and largest town in Ayrshire, Ayr, has a Kilmarnock postcode, bizarre.

Hmm... doesn't Water Orton in Warwickshire share the same B postcode as Brum... :|

and if we really are talking restaurant offerings, a *much* more definitive guide to the quality of eateries in a city is from the Which? Good Food Guide - Restaurants & Eating Out Rankings 2007:

Best Cities in the Uk for their Restauant offering:
1. LONDON
2. MANCHESTER
3. EDINBURGH
4. LEEDS
5. GLASGOW
6. BIRMINGHAM

Fancy posting that again Wiggley :lol:

Next...

yes.. well its funny, given that you posted the michellin star thing *again* ;)

Well only updating it, as it was in the news as a new article not something that has been regurgitated ;)

So... what's next in the willy waving discussions ;)

How many of you have a seaplane service or three stadiums seating over 50,000 ( two of which are UEFA 5*? ). That's a joke, I couldnt give a fuck;)

How many of you have a Commuter Hovercraft Service? None of you :p Portsmouth is the only place on earth with one :D

How many of you have a petrified forest and an Iron Age hill fort in your city?

Glasgow's got the first, dunno about the second

Don't think we have an iron age hill fort lol. The Atonine wall ( far more impressive than a single fort ) ran through what are now cities suburbs though, some sections remain.

http://www.simplonpc.co.uk/Hovertravel/SolentExp_070617-004_bg.jpg

Come on, eat THAT. Thats the new 2007 Hovercraft showing the route is still widely used and an important commuter service for this city. How cool does it look. :banana:

Anf if "WOLVERHAMPTON" is a city in its own right which it is with its own centre, then so is "SALFORD" with its own centre which would make Manchester very small wouldnt it.

lol? where is this centre then? please tell me. Cos i live here. And i've never really heard of such a thing!

Your delirium regarding Portsmouth's hovercraft might make some wonder if there's fuck all else in Portsmouth;)

lol? where is this centre then? please tell me. Cos i live here. And i've never really heard of such a thing!

Wolverhampton is obviously a large, distinct centre with a long history, Salford is essentially Port Manchester and Manchester city centre acts as it's centre.

Your delirium regarding Portsmouth's hovercraft might make some wonder if there's fuck all else in Portsmouth;)

Its a pretty shit place really. Waterfronts good....

Wolverhampton is obviously a large, distinct centre with a long history, Salford is essentially Port Manchester and Manchester city centre acts as it's centre.

Yep. That comparison is nonsense really. I'd agree with Wolverhampton/Bolton.

Me too:)

I haven't been to Portsmouth in years ( used to live in Eastleigh ). The fotresses are epic though, lucky bastards.

Yeah we have 30 Forts and Castles.

:drool:

God you're annoying. Of course he is.

Altrincham is a suburb of Manchester. Of course it is.

Who decides what the worlds best hotels are? The people using them are the best judge of that. The Stamford Hotel is a far better hotel than Raffles and the Nusa Dua Hotel in Bali is better than both of them.

Yeah we have 30 Forts and Castles.

we have a fort too, and a light house, and a couple of wind farms, and erm.. piles of scrap

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2294/1526587252_8ac5ec9ca4_o.jpg

Nottingham's Restaurant Sat Bains retains its Michelin star, and remains squarely within the boundaries of Nottingham.

Now, who else has an urban windmill??

http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/greensmill/images/millcol.jpg

And who else has an urban lighthouse 30miles inland eh?!

http://www.**********/thumbs/3/%7B4615877C-7463-410F-8C1B-DB87E2529B9E%7D/A8A1K4.jpg

^^ stupidville thats where :yes:

How many of you have a petrified forest and an Iron Age hill fort in your city?

We do, its 1334 ft up here...

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t129/gradymclean/528623095_b56a73c4d8-1.jpg

Now, who else has an urban windmill

We do, well the remains of one...

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/22/33923842_aa3fbdc343.jpg?v=0

So do we. It's still there but without the sails. :yes:

http://www.sedgleylocalhistory.org.uk/Ug/rmill5a.jpg

http://www.serve.com/scmc/news/jpg/sh_dudeyrsq_2007_2.jpg

Here's the view from the top, looking over towards Telfordboyshire:
http://www.yampy.co.uk/images/carn02/yg-carn02-millview3.jpg

No Hill Fort though :poke:

Perahps I should have clarified - who still has a working urban windmill that grinds its own organic flour?

No Hill Fort though :poke:

No, just a castle thing on a hill. :|

http://www.silverdalehotel.com/Images/Castle1.JPG


Perahps I should have clarified - who still has a working urban windmill that grinds its own organic flour?

Okay, can't beat that.

*Cough* World Heritage Site :D

http://www.ironbridge.org.uk/about_us/world_heritage_site/

we have an inland lighthouse and a windmill just metres apart, up Bidston Hill

http://www.ukmills.com/pics/Bidston-windmill.jpg
http://www.mikekemble.com/mside/bidston/bhill3.jpg


the view :-

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2235/2136400408_178f657a4e.jpg

*Cough* World Heritage Site :D

http://www.ironbridge.org.uk/about_us/world_heritage_site/

Dudley Castle is older than your heap of metal. :tongue: And it was more useful... once upton a time. :bowtie:

I'm sure it was but what would the Black Country be if the industrial revolution hadn't spread from here to there. It would have a different name for a start.

Well, Dudley Castle stands proud right by Dudley town centre. Ironbridge must be that important that they decided to build it 5 miles away from Telford town centre. :tongue:

;) :| ;)

(Looks like I'd already run out of good arguments :lol:)

Well Portsmouth does have an Urban Lighthouse :P But it is not exactly inland.
http://community.iexplore.com/photos/journal_photos/southsea_2.jpg

And then we have about 20 of these.

http://www.geocities.com/~jmgould/ftpix/ftnelson.jpg

Only about 12 of them are that large though.

we have a fort too, and a light house, and a couple of wind farms, and erm.. piles of scrap

Is that New Brighton yoshef?

We, the family, used to go there when I was a toddler.

I haven't been there in over 40 years.

we have an inland lighthouse and a windmill just metres apart, up Bidston Hill

http://www.ukmills.com/pics/Bidston-windmill.jpg

I said working urban windmill!

(Resists cheap Liverpool gag, even in the city bashing thread...)

Is that New Brighton yoshef?

We, the family, used to go there when I was a toddler.

I haven't been there in over 40 years.

yeah - you'd probably remember the pier, the ferry landing stage, and the giant open air baths too? Sadly they're all long gone but there are plans to build modern versions of all three. More info here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=560832) if you're interested :)

yeah - you'd probably remember the pier, the ferry landing stage, and the giant open air baths too? Sadly they're all long gone but there are plans to build modern versions of all three. More info here (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=560832) if you're interested :)

Cheers yoshef.

As a kid I was more impressed with the *ocean going liner and the indoor funfair.

*Ferry. :)

And who else has an urban lighthouse 30miles inland eh?!

http://www.**********/thumbs/3/%7B4615877C-7463-410F-8C1B-DB87E2529B9E%7D/A8A1K4.jpg

Preston!!!

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/192/448088320_704fb6082f_b.jpg

And we have an urban windmill too... without the sails:

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/175/475417099_14cfbcbca8_o.jpg
(Pic is about 15 years old. The tower block is now gone and the area has been extensively redeveloped.

Hull's got an urban windmill.

It's fixed now :)

http://www.geograph.org.uk/photos/32/03/320327_29cc652b.jpg

ah "The Mill" in Hull - not just anyold disused urban windmill - but also a pub !

What about Glasgow's Lighthouse ;)

Scotland's centre for architecture and design and a darn good view of Glasgow from it's roof.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/142/325953120_5c7c7a1d8e.jpg
http://flickr.com/photos/68853789@N00/

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/39/83572795_afe43599b3.jpg
http://flickr.com/photos/beccalog/

No lighthouse i'm afraid(loads along the holderness coast), but a guided tour of Hull Marina's Spurn lightship is always a winner, and doesn't really take too long.

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h57/johnsjc/spurn.jpg?t=1201313429

No lighthouse i'm afraid(loads along the holderness coast), but a guided tour of Hull Marina's Spurn lightship is always a winner, and doesn't really take too long.

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h57/johnsjc/spurn.jpg?t=1201313429

we have a red one of them

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1213/1348549500_b4f96e12b2.jpg

No lighthouse i'm afraid(loads along the holderness coast), but a guided tour of Hull Marina's Spurn lightship is always a winner, and doesn't really take too long.

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h57/johnsjc/spurn.jpg?t=1201313429


Complete with Imperialist flag in the foreground!

Which one?

The Deep reminds me of that Te papasomethingorother museum in Wellington.

Which one?

The Irish one. Greedy bastards are buying everything.

Which one?

The big blue one with stars on it!

we have a red one of them

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1213/1348549500_b4f96e12b2.jpg

http://www.haslarmarina.co.uk/picts/mouse%20copy.jpg
We have a green one of them

Moving on to fixed cranes as landmarks,

The oldest of the five Titan class cranes on the Clyde,

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/1454601018_4d7b3909f3_o.jpg

The famous Finnieston Crane,

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/1795926276_09516ba76e_o.jpg

Boards, is your username in homage to Boards of Canada?

lol, no. Nickname from school. Ska8er boi;)

Oh. Thanks for answering. I like those Scottish noise freaksters, btw.

There's a great scene in Scotland at the moment. Glasgow especially puts the other regional cities in the UK to shame.

We got some blue cranes in Salford too, admittedly not as impressive as the Glasgow ones, but ours roll ;)

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1328/826453019_70efccb75f.jpg?v=1184579967

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/69/217644313_e285d437a4.jpg?v=0

i feel the urge to post pics of cranes for some strange reason...

we have a few cranes too, but they're boring.
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1199/1250031510_6506bf527e_b.jpg


Kriegsmarine Unterseeboot U534

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/113/311939330_3289b4b68e_b.jpg

soon to be chopped up and put on display at Woodside ferry :ohno:

^^they're the ones that look like dinosaurs!


http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/Harbourside/DSC_0632.jpg

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/Harbourside/DSC_0630.jpg

^^they're the ones that look like dinosaurs!


:lol: ya nutter :nuts:

it's true though.

oh i love those dinosaur cranes :happy:

this type ?


http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1230/738139461_b76c2515f1.jpg?v=0

Found this picture of a portion of Hull Docklands c. 1971

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/182/475766906_9622c68d21_o.jpg

are there any of those left?

are there any of those left?

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/209/462905407_b20cc5dbbc_b.jpg

There are still tons around the docks on the east side of the city, but most of the docks in the west have been redeveloped or are still derelict with just the odd oldie still lying around. There was a really interesting part of one of those 'urban exploration' sites where a load of photos of the inside of a dormant 1960's Priestman Brthers gib was 'explored' (ie. trespassed). Will post if i find them.

was it on 28 days later?

Yeah, it might have been. That or 'Lighting the Darkness'

Moving on to fixed cranes as landmarks,

The famous Finnieston Crane,

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/1795926276_09516ba76e_o.jpg


Tell you what, that is some fucking privet there!

cranesville! liverpool in 1960s

http://www.btinternet.com/~philipbparker/RHODESIA_STAR_IN_GLADSTONE_DOCK.jpg


another type at birkenhead

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1063/737362873_1c63fbd207_o.jpg

cranesville! liverpool in 1960s

http://www.btinternet.com/~philipbparker/RHODESIA_STAR_IN_GLADSTONE_DOCK.jpg



the best kind of crane :yes:

You and your Dinosaucer crane fixation!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bristol/content/images/2006/05/11/crane1_470x350.jpg

http://www.artofthestate.co.uk/photos/bristol_harbourside_crane.jpg

http://www.artofthestate.co.uk/photos/bristol_harbourside_cranes.jpg

All from Bristol, apparently.

You and your Dinosaucer crane fixation!



http://www.artofthestate.co.uk/photos/bristol_harbourside_crane.jpg





a giant robots' willy :yes: with a prince albert piercing to boot, what its doing there is anyone's guess...

It's not a labret piercing. That's a simple 'Prince Albert' piercing.

:shifty::shifty:

thats what i said :shifty:

eh? It didn't before! It said 'labert' (sic).

Or maybe I'm going mad...

that seems more likely.

perhaps both...

the best kind of crane :yes:

and there was another 7 miles of them, just on the city side of the Mersey! Uh! Don't know what happened there, I was suppose to have that picture of one of Liverpool's docks included!

See below for original pic.. sorry.

Here's the biggest pair of Goliath cranes in the UK

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb264/Daveb_design/Ireland/DSCF0077.jpg

No prizes for guessing were they are ;)

Stratford-upon-Avon? :dunno: ;)

:lol: They also had those at the Lithgow yard in Port Glasgow, they only came down a few years ago, where stupidly huge. Swan Hunters on the Tyne has a great pastiche of cranes.

i took some pics of that dildo crane on the harbourside today :happy:

but i lost my wallet in the process somehow :(

i took some pics of that dildo crane on the harbourside today :happy:

but i lost my wallet in the process somehow :(

:pet:

Report it to the police and you'll find it the next day in your pocket. :happy: (atleast that's what happened with me :|)

:lol: They also had those at the Lithgow yard in Port Glasgow, they only came down a few years ago, where stupidly huge. Swan Hunters on the Tyne has a great pastiche of cranes.

yes a good mixture but they'll be coming down soon -

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/69/195792266_3d4fdc5968_o.jpg

Looks like Jurassic park made out of Meccano!

^^ :yes: :happy:

Looks like Jurassic park made out of Meccano!

:lol: another one :crazy2:

:lol: another one :crazy2:

Just carrying on the theme! :cheers:

dildo crane.

dildo crane.

http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w139/aubertonic/28th/DSC_0305.jpg

thats got a face on it

It's got a mean looking Prince Albert as well.

^^:yes:


*ping*

Talking of Cranes at a dockside location...

...Media City in Salford Quays has its 9th crane up, with 2 more crane bases spotted, which will soon make 11 (yes, ELEVEN) cranes!

Eat yer 'art owt Dubai!

Talking of Cranes at a dockside location...

...Media City in Salford Quays has its 9th crane up, with 2 more crane bases spotted, which will soon make 11 (yes, ELEVEN) cranes!

Eat yer 'art owt Dubai!

I'm sure Dubai has something along the lines of 10,000 cranes..! ;)

just been thinking, and looking at a map. wolverhampton & walsall are as big as leeds in conurbation size! does this mean wolves is really underperforming. i didnt realise it was city.

Wolverhampton only became a city in 2005 or 2006.

wolves and walsall have a combined urban area population larger than sheffield, and larger leeds.

just been thinking, and looking at a map. wolverhampton & walsall are as big as leeds in conurbation size! does this mean wolves is really underperforming. i didnt realise it was city.

It's in the weird situation where it has a larger neighbour it can't compete with in terms of modern service industries. Like Bradford is to Leeds. It's not a fair comparison to make.

You might as well say that Camden and Brent are similar sized to Manchester, so why don't they have an airport?

It's not fair to compare Bradford with Wolverhampton aesthetically though. Beauty and the Beast in architectural terms. No disrespect to the good citizens of wolves. I'm aware there are a few quality buildings there, but it pales beside the splendour of some of Bradford's glories. Even Leeds does IMHO. :runaway:

It's in the weird situation where it has a larger neighbour it can't compete with in terms of modern service industries. Like Bradford is to Leeds. It's not a fair comparison to make.

You might as well say that Camden and Brent are similar sized to Manchester, so why don't they have an airport?

d'oh. yup i didnt think of that

d'oh. yup i didnt think of that

You wiggley, not thinking! Who'd have thought?

......... ...



2,000 quit capital for Leeds lifestyle


By Staff Copy 6 Feb 2008

THOUSANDS of skilled workers are abandoning London for Leeds, a London recruitment specialist says. They are drawn by the improved work-life balance and substantially lower house prices.

According to recruitment agency Qualitas as many as 2,000 legal, financial and IT professionals moved to Leeds from London last year.

Mike Berry, managing director of recruitment agency Qualitas, said: "The majority of the people we place in Leeds are house price refugees – professionals earning substantial amounts in London but still struggling to get on the property ladder.

"In the last 12 months Leeds has started to attract them like a magnet."

The average house price in Leeds is £155,057 compared to £354,625 in London.

But there are other factors. Mr Berry said: "People are coming for the culture and also to improve their work-life balance.

"A lot of people are fed up with London's long commutes. Leeds might not have a mass transport system, but for people used to London Underground, it's a commuting Shangri-la."

In Leeds nearly one in 20 people walks to work, whereas in London the figure is one in 500.

Qualitas says the number of jobs in financial and business services in Leeds has grown by 18 per cent in the last five years.

Even with two universities and several further education colleges producing highly skilled candidates demand from local business is outstripping supply and the gap is being filled by professionals moving to Leeds from London.

Between 2000 and 2005 the total employee jobs in Leeds grew by 27,600 with the financial and business services sector alone accounting for 61 per cent of the extra jobs. Projections suggest that between 2006 and 2016, total employment in finance and business services will grow from 112,000 to 119,000.

London-based Qualitas is setting up a new regional headquarters in Leeds.

Mr Berry, said: "Leeds economy is growing fast and there is a talent war developing as employers fight to fill posts with top-flight people."

wow, 2000 people?

amaaaayyyyzing. :|












;) :hug:

Are you bashing London there Wiggs?

wow, 2000 people?

amaaaayyyyzing. :|

;) :hug:

lol. thats just from 1 london based recruitment company. Remember Leeds & Bristol are the fastest growing cities in terms of population growth, whilst cities such as liverpool and newcastle are still declining, and cities such as birmingham are totally stagnant.

wiggles - you talk as if there aren't many London businesses relocating many many back office jobs to cheaper locations in the north.

Leeds is well known for being a magnet for london professionals. Large portions of districs in leeds you'd be hard pushed to find a leeds accent.

Bollocks.

The vast majority of those 'relocations' people will take voluntary redundancy, and new people will be hired in the Leeds region.

ehh? that doesnt make sense. whichever method people are using, the fact is, high earning professionals are moving from the south east to financial hubs like leeds in big numbers. This is a good thing, and would have been unheard of 20 years ago - where the opposite was happening, and still is happening in places like merseyside for example.

Ok, give me an example of these areas in Leeds (streets preferably) that are full of 'London accents' and next time I am over in Leeds visiting my mother I'll pay the area a visit to see if you're telling the truth.

Just as the BBC jobs in Salford will be taken up by Mancs with Manc accents, these jobs in Leeds will be taken by people from Leeds, with Leeds accents.

The drift from northern cities to the south may be slowing, but don't kid yourself it's in reverse.

Yes, your right. The london based recruitment agency *isnt* seeing 2,000 relocations of proffesionals from london to leeds each year, and it *isnt* having to open up a leeds regional office specifically to cope with the demand. its all lies. lol.

And all those 2,000 high earning london professionals moving up annually with this specificic recruitment agency are sectretly Leeds people with Leeds accents.

:rofl:

Ok, give me an example of these areas in Leeds (streets preferably)

mansion gate development in chappel allerton, leeds.

Christ - how many times have you been in a position in your career when you have been involved in a relocation?

The number of people who actually relocate in these circumstances is minimal. The jobs move, the people DON'T.

The jobs will be filled by people from the Leeds area.

You forgot to tell me the district where I couldn't fail to hear all the London accents when I pay it a visit!

Wiggles - isn't it preferable that the well paid jobs are taken up by people who hail from Leeds originally, rather than settling for people migrating from other parts of the world taking up the better jobs?

I find the stereotypical Leeds accent to be confined to South Leeds. Most North Leeds people, onto Harrogate, York, Ripon etc generally speak RP. Most of Bradford has a Yorkshire accent, but North Bradford is also RP like North Leeds.

Your still not making sense metrolink. You are basically saying the article isnt true, the recruitment agency doesnt exist, and these 2,000 annual relocations from london to leeds are imaginary and that really they are jobs being taken up by locals. Nothing you say is adding up.

I'm sorry metrolink, but I think you're talking a bit of rubbish here. The article says nothing about companies relocating, it say people are.

The fact that Leeds-London is a strong link cannot be avoided. We already know that Leeds is heavily dependent on London for it's economic success, and this has been criticised by many, in that Leeds isn't independent. As a result, many people who work in London during the week live in Leeds, and there are a few areas where it is basically London people who live there. They're not really part of Leeds, they just live when they're not working. As a result, the London accent is common in some areas.

Certainly in Harrogate alone there are enough London commuters who just come up at weekends. There is certainly a mix of southern and northern accents here, in Leeds also.

The flouride in Birmingham's water:

Birmingham first introduced fluoridation in the 1960s.

"If you look at the average five-year-old in Birmingham compared with an average five-year-old in Manchester you see not just a marginal improvement in Birmingham, you see a huge - 50% improvement - in that child's dental health."

Does that mean Birmingham Smiles Better?

I find the stereotypical Leeds accent to be confined to South Leeds. Most North Leeds people, onto Harrogate, York, Ripon etc generally speak RP. Most of Bradford has a Yorkshire accent, but North Bradford is also RP like North Leeds.

but nobody else can tell. That is why those Corrie and Emerdale characters are all interchangable!

That is why those Corrie and Emerdale characters are all interchangable!

and that is why all blacks look the same.

well how else would you be able to tell what team was playing?

absolutely terrible comparison to make metro!!!!

ehh? that doesnt make sense. whichever method people are using, the fact is, high earning professionals are moving from the south east to financial hubs like leeds in big numbers. This is a good thing, and would have been unheard of 20 years ago - where the opposite was happening, and still is happening in places like merseyside for example.

Will the last person to leave Liverpool, please put out the lights.

absolutely terrible comparison to make metro!!!!

Why, cos everyone who is from the north (but not Liverpool) sounds exactly the same?

I live in Sale - 4miles south of Manc city centre. I can tell the difference between Salonians, true Salfordonians, true North Mancs and true East Mancs.

If you cannot tell the difference between a Manc accent, and a Leeds accent that says a dam sight more about you than anything else.

they're not that different :shifty:

although there is a difference.

As far as I'm concerned, and this is JUST Manchester...

South (where I live) - has no accent (they all sound like I do).
Salford (West) - Terry Christian
North - Lancastrian, very Blackburn / Burnley
East - ecky thump Yorkshire ain't that far away.

The accent for rural Yorkshire tends to be a bit stronger than the urban areas. People in Emmerdale sound quite alot different to Coronation Street.

Why, cos everyone who is from the north (but not Liverpool) sounds exactly the same?

I live in Sale - 4miles south of Manc city centre. I can tell the difference between Salonians, true Salfordonians, true North Mancs and true East Mancs.

If you cannot tell the difference between a Manc accent, and a Leeds accent that says a dam sight more about you than anything else.

It says you're foreign or southern. The insularity and sheer ignorance of some well educated people from London about the country they live in never ceases to amaze me.



I've always been disappointed with my Salonian accent (or Timperlenian depending on your point of view) because it's so much more half arsed than the rest of my family's old fashioned north Manc one. Obviously not disappointed enough to decamp to Harpurhey for life though.

i think there is specific deep accents - like hillbilly accents for each region that are clearly recognisible. such as rural yorkshire accents, deep pennine town accents, and strong black country accents. All of which sound a bit "thick" :P

However, when you look at every day people who live in the cities of places like manchester and leeds - there isnt that much of a diference to someone from down south. Much of this is because the traditional accents have been so watered down by migration, globalisation, and national media, that they just sound pretty similar. When I watch shameless on telly, they dont sound that much diferent to those in similar estate in leeds - and i susupect many from down south wouldnt be able to tell the diference, except that they are both northern... i certainly couldnt, at least till i moved up north.

I still cant tell the diference between wakey and leeds accents.

To me, noticeable differences are when peple say laff or larrf, and bath or barrrth. Both those in leeds and manchester say laff and bath in exactly the same way.

scouse accents are unique tho, as are those in the north east. PLus you have foreign languaes too such as glaswegian.

Why, cos everyone who is from the north (but not Liverpool) sounds exactly the same?

I live in Sale - 4miles south of Manc city centre. I can tell the difference between Salonians, true Salfordonians, true North Mancs and true East Mancs.

If you cannot tell the difference between a Manc accent, and a Leeds accent that says a dam sight more about you than anything else.

they're very similar to me too, there is not as distinct a difference as you'd think. But then again, would you be able to tell a Geordie from a Smoggie?

As far as I'm concerned, and this is JUST Manchester...

South (where I live) - has no accent (they all sound like I do).
Salford (West) - Terry Christian
North - Lancastrian, very Blackburn / Burnley
East - ecky thump Yorkshire ain't that far away.

I have to travel around (Gtr) Manchester most days and I can certainly tell where people live in Manchester by their accents. You can certainly tell the difference between Salford and Stockport. (East Manchester etc, etc)

Thing is, I really don't hear the south Manc accent, whether they are from Stockport, Sharston or Sale - they are all the same as me.

I only hear other accents.

I'd love to know what north Mancs think of our south Manc accent.

City bashing you say, well once all you provincial lot realise that any success your little townships have is down to the sheer might of London and it’s global stature you might stop and think about bashing the capital for a little while, Especially Man- “We got us one tower and a few scraps from the BBC so soon we’ll overtake London as the best UK city” -Chester…..........

;)

Thing is, I really don't here the south Manc accent, whether they are from Stockport, Sharston or Sale - they are all the same as me.

I only hear other accents.

I'd love to know what north Mancs think of our south Manc accent.

They think we're posh. Because of our soft accents and the fact we've got an airport on our doorstep. Quite a few of my work mates are from Salford (Eccles, Worsley, etc) and you can certainly tell the difference. (It's so harsh and in your face) Hav it!

Also, from personal experience of living in leeds, you can go to work, socialize after work in restaurants, then go clubbing, and never hear a "leeds accent" - you will hear most people say "laff" and "bath" but thats about it - otherwise they just sound like a non-descript southern accent.

City bashing you say, well once all you provincial lot realise that any success your little townships have is down to the sheer might of London and it’s global stature you might stop and think about bashing the capital for a little while, Especially Man- “We got us one tower and a few scraps from the BBC so soon we’ll overtake London as the best UK city” -Chester…..........

Great name. :lol:

http://www.phill.co.uk/comedy/sickness/isaih01.jpg

Cheer up Cock-ney Sparrow.

City bashing you say, well once all you provincial lot realise that any success your little townships have is down to the sheer might of London and it’s global stature you might stop and think about bashing the capital for a little while, Especially Man- “We got us one tower and a few scraps from the BBC so soon we’ll overtake London as the best UK city” -Chester…..........

http://www.historic-uk.com/CultureUK/PearlyKingQueenBlackHeath.jpg

:D

I didn't used to hear south Manchester accents. But I had to call a partner firm of my company's (well not mine) based in Alti the other day and I suddenly realised that this guy had pretty much the exact same voice as my brother. It was odd.

I can always tell Manc people (or even Lancastrian people) are from this side of the pennines, but it takes me a while to work out where people with Leeds accents are from. I think it's because Leeds is a bit of a generic accent that a lot of actors do if they're playing northern, meaning that to my mind it's not so tied to the city itself.

The accent for rural Yorkshire tends to be a bit stronger than the urban areas. People in Emmerdale sound quite alot different to Coronation Street.Well, considering there have been plenty of Yorkshire actors in Coronation Street, and Lancashire actors in Emmerdale over the years, they can't sound that different.

What's that one with the waxed cap and the beard called - Jack Dingle? You can tell he's from Lancashire a mile off.

City bashing you say, well once all you provincial lot realise that any success your little townships have is down to the sheer might of London and it’s global stature you might stop and think about bashing the capital for a little while, Especially Man- “We got us one tower and a few scraps from the BBC so soon we’ll overtake London as the best UK city” -Chester…..........

;)


is that the cue to bash London?

wouldn't know where to start to be honest..
http://realgoodmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/head-up-arse.jpg

^^some men would love to be able to do that


not me of course, i get other men to do that for me.

Some men would love to be able to do that to other men! (so I'm told)

^^some men would love to be able to do that :yes:


not me of course, i get other men to do that for me.

think i just sussed out what you mean by a "brain fart" now ;)

I say larf/barth =/ Loads of people do!

^^some men would love to be able to do that :yes:


not me of course, i get other men to do that for me.
Doh! Didn't see the invisible ink.

think i just sussed out what you mean by a "brain fart" now ;)

no you have not, :nono:

Liverpool sucks.





























because Yoshef lives there.

(;))

no you have not, :nono:

Liverpool sucks.





























because Yoshef lives there.

(;))

i don't live there :tongue2:

:tongue:
you live where i tell you to live Bitch

http://realgoodmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/head-up-arse.jpg

that picture looks highly homo-erotic. or should that be auto-erotic. :nuts:

Are they........ ^^

http://www.farahslacks.com/ims/logofp1.jpg

not anymore they're not...








but maybe.





















yes.

cities such as liverpool and newcastle are still declining, and cities such as birmingham are totally stagnant. Then your whole nation is f*cked. Just think what would happen here in Canada if Montreal and Vancouver had declining populations and Toronto stagnated and the only city with any growth was Saskatoon (Canada's equiv of Leeds), we would become just like Bangladesh, or Britain.:lol:

??? i see senile dementia has set in. You are 78. just hurry up will you ;)

I don't think Banglasdesh has a problem of underpopulation Sloyne.

??? i see senile dementia has set in. You are 78. just hurry up will you ;) Leeds got a mention in the travel section of the weekend edition of my local newspaper. The item was a full page spread which supposed London was your base and highlighted day trips outside of London. The write-up on Leeds was quite expansive and gave routes and journey times between central London and the tourist attractions. Alas, it was Leeds Castle in Kent that the article referred to and not the wool town in Yorkshire.:lol:

I don't think Banglasdesh has a problem of underpopulation Sloyne.Well if they keep emigrating to Yorkshire they could well be depopulated very soon.:lol:

there is pretty much zero population of bangladeshi's in yorkshire. you really are bizzare.

as for leeds castle. tell you what was funny. at leeds city station, there was a huge trendy banner backdrop behind the large ticket counter saying welcome to leeds a few years ago, with pictures of attractions. one of the pictures within the banner was Leeds Castle (in kent)

:rofl:

bet someone got sacked for that lol

you really are bizzare.Well that's an improvement over some of the things you've called me. I think you might be beginning to like me.;)

Why do you think it is that when a test match is played at Old Trafford it is either pre or suffixed with the name Manchester but when it is played at Headingley it is just that, Headingley?

I think you might be beginning to like me.;)

not really. i just know you wont be here very much longer. despite all the nasty stuff u stay, ur still human, and dyeing shouldnt be laughed at.

not really. i just know you wont be here very much longer. despite all the nasty stuff u stay. And your vindictiveness doesn't go unnoticed by non Brits and Brits alike. Also if you just stuck to bigging up your own city without trying to demean other peoples home towns I would have no cause to respond to your postings. Geordies, Mancs, Brummies and Scousers don't need to hear from you, or anyone else, that their cities are shit-holes with people deserting them by the millions, so why don't you just shut up and leave it be? Perhaps you can't leave it alone and have to try to denigrate other people homes, maybe you have some kind of psychological issue, I don't know, however, what I do know is that you are either sick or just a belligerent childish scut. Take your pick.

PS: According to you and, at the rate you say Leeds is growing, it will soon outpace Shanghai and Sao Paulo and become the worlds largest city. Good luck to Leeds.

god are you still alive. hurry up! ;)

Oh Sloyne leave wiggley alone. It is the city bashing thread afterall.

Although how that fits in with mocking the frail elderly and celebrating their oncoming departure I'm not sure?

He is very odd.

Why, cos everyone who is from the north (but not Liverpool) sounds exactly the same?

I live in Sale - 4miles south of Manc city centre. I can tell the difference between Salonians, true Salfordonians, true North Mancs and true East Mancs.

If you cannot tell the difference between a Manc accent, and a Leeds accent that says a dam sight more about you than anything else.

yet again you completely miss the point.

I too can tell the differences between many areas.. the point was for people outside the local area/TV region etc.

Apart from Scouse and geordie, anything northern is simply, er, northern to most pople south of Stoke? They would not have a clue about the minutae differences of who says ere or aye.

not really. i just know you wont be here very much longer. despite all the nasty stuff u stay, ur still human, and dyeing shouldnt be laughed at.

What's wrong with changing colour?

Will the last person to leave Liverpool, please put out the lights.

An afterthought.

Will you also put Wiggley's lights out too? :bash:

I wouldn't bother.

They're on, but nobody's home.

There is also the confusion between brummie and black country accents, which have considerable differences (and not just that black country folk speak a totally different language ;) ), you always hear people on TV trying to do a brummie accent, and they always fail and end up doing a black country one. :lol:

There is a noticable difference between Lancashire and Yorkshire accents, while manc accents tend to be more nasal than most lancashire and yorkshire accents i.e. Terry Christian (and Liam Connor in Corrie :lol:).

Not many people from the East Mids on here, but there is a definite accent over that side that covers Derby/Nottingham down to Leicester and even Coventry, although a bloke from Coventry I used to work with always swore he didn't have any kind of accent when he definitely did :yes:.

The different accents are what make Britain interesting IMO (except in the south where they all sound like cocknies :) :baeh3:

the answer to all of the above is:


NO






;)

Well the south meaning London, south east and most of south coast, until you get past weymouth.

Bristol doesn't count anyway as you just sound like east anglians (jk) :tongue:

Well the south meaning London, south east and most of south coast, until you get past weymouth.

Bristol doesn't count anyway as you just sound like east anglians (jk) :tongue:

its the other way round you biznatch! :tongue: ;)

Lol I wouldnt say all southerners sound the same, Surrey people sound quite posh, Brightonians sound, erm cool? whilst Pompodians just sound like total arseholes.

Terry Christian's got the biggest put on accent ever. He's Mannys Cilla. And that folks is a FACT.

The blandest accents come from Coventry down to Southampton and across to Cambridge. All the local accents are being killed off in favour of that shite mockney tat.

A new topic:

We may be a bit latein getting one, but ah well...
Is Sheffield ready for the £1m apartment?

AS AGENTS elsewhere forecast doom and gloom, Sheffield's property market is heading for a new high with the launch of the city's first £1m apartment.
The penthouse flat - with five bedrooms but no garden - is currently under construction in Ecclesall Road South.

Developers Metropolitan Homes have slapped on a price tag that is well above the going rate for a detached house in the sought-after suburb, never mind an apartment.

But the company believes Sheffield is ready for such a financial landmark.

The property is not due for completion until August, but Metropolitan Homes say three prospective buyers have already expressed an interest.

"The media are going OTT on doom and gloom," said director Martin Flowers. "There are a lot of people who are in business and are looking for an investment or a home like this. It is one of the best locations in Sheffield and it's a quality build."

Linda Crapper, New Homes Director for Saxton Mee, who are marketing the properties, said: "You would have laughed at the idea of a £1m apartment in Sheffield five years ago, but who would have believed how many houses in this area would now be selling for more than a million?

"I'm convinced there is a market for a one-off property like this and we have already had a lot of interest before the development has even been advertised.

"We have sold two apartments at £500,000 each and five more at £325,000-plus, so I think that proves there is a market for this level of space and luxury.''

The penthouse apartment is part of the Braemore development, currently under construction on the site of three former houses near the junction with Knowle Lane.

It features five double bedrooms, each with its own en-suite bathroom, three reception rooms and balconies to the front and rear.

The development includes video entry system, a carpeted foyer, concierge service, CCTV security and secure access to an underground garage.

All rooms are fitted with mood lighting, underfloor heating and wiring for internet and sound systems. Bathrooms feature marble-tiled floors and top-of-the-range designer fittings, and kitchens will be equipped and finished to the buyer's specification.

"Braemore offers an incredibly luxurious lifestyle that reflects the lavish interiors you expect from a luxury hotel," said sales manager Karen Tomlinson.

Seven of the 28 apartments, with prices starting at £325,000, have already been sold. Buyers include a professional footballer.

If the five-bedroom penthouse apartment does not attract a buyer, it will be split into two three-bedroom flats and put on the market at £450,000 each.

Let the bashing begin.

that's actually quite cheap to say its 5 bed all with ensuite and 3 reception rooms. The equiv house in a posh area would cost the same

Well it is in quite a posh area, and although a house of similar size would cost about the same this doesn't have a garden.

Terry Christian's got the biggest put on accent ever. He's Mannys Cilla. And that folks is a FACT.

The blandest accents come from Coventry down to Southampton and across to Cambridge. All the local accents are being killed off in favour of that shite mockney tat.

Real non-estuary accents used to kick in just outside London. Think of Ricky Gervais's semi-West Country burr, and he's only from Reading.

When I lived in Oxford ten years ago, old folks used to genuinely speak with the sort of accents that Pam Ayres puts on to make a living.

That's roysh Squirrel.

The mockney monotone is killing the local accents south of Brum and it's dialects spread by telly and stuff is getting into everwhere. Bar Libpool like, according to some eminent dialect and accent guru.

It's weird, each decade, Liverpool, and Liverpool* alone, seems to get stronger.

*Except for some of the Mancs. But they're just copying Liverpool again - the Manchester's historical and continuing raison d'etre. No suprise what the Christian-esque neu-Manc accent of the last twenty years sounds a lot like. Bizarre, but flattering one must conclude.

The mockney monotone is killing the local accents south of Brum and it's dialects spread by telly and stuff is getting into everwhere. Bar Libpool like, according to some eminent dialect and accent guru. Linguist/dialect/accent "guru's" lump the Brum accent with the South East English accent, they recon the Midlands accent is just a variation of what has become to be known as the Cockney accent. They are also saying that the Oz/Kiwi/South African/sub continental and many others are all variation of this accent. This, South East English accent is the most prevalent in all of English and all but one accent is regional.

there is pretty much zero population of bangladeshi's in yorkshire. you really are bizzare.

Well I refer you to the Guardian G2 section from 23rd January 2006 where you will find a map showing ethnic minority groups representing over 8% of ward population.
If your really lucky I will scan it for you too ;)

Harehills - 4.4% Bangladeshi
City and Holbeck - 3.9% Bangladeshi.

Not quite a zero population after all then.

Nope. more of a "pretty much zero population" - which is what I said.

at the 2001 census - 0.35% of Leeds was bangladeshi. There are more Jedi in Leeds ;)

And if your thinking the population would have increased by then.. well loooking at your 2006 data and comparing it with 2001 ward level data, the bangladeshi population for harehills has actually decreased. In 2001, the harehills ward had 5.6% bangladeshi.

With bangladeshi communities, percentages of a whole city are unhelpful imo as bangladeshi communitys generally stick together in one place. 2,500 bangladeshis in the whole of Leeds. Even if they all lived in one area - its not really a community with a prescene. Whereas, Birmingham for example has a bangla population of 2.1%, which is a very high 21,000 - many of which will be in one area, forming a visible community that exists in birmingham.

And here are some scans just for you Wiggley.
p.s. i'm not posting London for obvious reasons.

The scale on this one of West Mids saves me scanning it in for remaining ones.
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http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/Feltip/ethnicwestmids2.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/Feltip/Birmingham%20UK/eastmidlands.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/Feltip/Birmingham%20UK/scotethnic.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/Feltip/Birmingham%20UK/mcrethnic.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/Feltip/Birmingham%20UK/leicsnotts.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/Feltip/Birmingham%20UK/North.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b141/Feltip/Birmingham%20UK/Leedsethnic.jpg

Thanks. Interesting read. I remember reading that actually.

And it confirms what I said. Leeds doesnt have a black square denoting any banglaseshi presence, not even a small black square. where as manchester and birmingham *do*, and they are large black squares too.

It is fascinating.
I hope they update it every now and again as its a fascinating account of our changing cities. Quite interesting the various nationalities in the other category such as Portugese in East Anglia.

yup it is fascinating, its interesting to see how and where settlers to the uk settled.

My mum's parents came from kenya and settled in leicester - ethnic indians, and according to that article, by 2010 Leicester will be the 1st city in europe to have a majority non-white population! That's quite startling! lol. I would have thought london wasnt far of that mark already.

There's a website somewhere where you can type in your surname and it tells you where in the UK it originated from, and wot areas of britain most have that name. It also pigeonholes your surname into a demopraphic - that was surprisingly accurate for my surname.

yup it is fascinating, its interesting to see how and where settlers to the uk settled.

My mum's parents came from kenya and settled in leicester - ethnic indians, and according to that article, by 2010 Leicester will be the 1st city in europe to have a majority non-white population! That's quite startling! lol. I would have thought london wasnt far of that mark already.

There's a website somewhere where you can type in your surname and it tells you where in the UK it originated from, and wot areas of britain most have that name. It also pigeonholes your surname into a demopraphic - that was surprisingly accurate for my surname.

Mine is Wolverhampton, Tonks. So im a semi-phseadoBrummy!

Central Manchester is 10% chinese, that's pretty cool. Shows manc china town is a proper one.

I hope they get their spelling in order if they ro re-do it... fukkin Pollockshields my arse...

Good to see little Telford has some ethnics besides me :happy:

^^

My grandad used to have a kind-of-friend who he always referred to as "Mr Singh from Telford" who I guess was from... Telford. :| I only ever saw him once about 15 years ago and I remember he wore a turban. :yes:

A special friend? :poke:

^^

My grandad used to have a kind-of-friend who he always referred to as "Mr Singh from Telford" who I guess was from... Telford. :| I only ever saw him once about 15 years ago and I remember he wore a turban. :yes:

Well Singhs tend be Sikhs who tend to wear turbans! :yes: Although, I have wore a turban myself and I'm not Sikh... :shifty:

A special friend? :poke:

Errm.... no. Unless you call someone who you trade hens with a 'special friend'. :sly:


Well Singhs tend be Sikhs who tend to wear turbans! :yes:

Yes, I think I know that. :| Just a couple of miles from me in Wolverhampton is a very dense Sikh area. In fact, I think Wolverhampton has the highest percentage of Singh's in the country or something.

my grandad wears a turban :)

ur sposed to make a new one each day by folding all the material etc etc. But his is like so old its cemented and he just takes it on and off like a hat... and im sure that's not right.. altho he assures me that its startch spray holding it together :dunno: ' but ive never seen any startch spray in his house

lol


This really is me btw...

http://plum.flirble.org/~dan/dan-turban.jpg

I've seen him come out of my local Gurdwara :)

It probably is startch spray or something similar, I know because I wear a turban and have worn those 'hat' like ones I the past. Anyway back to the discussion...:D

Another of Butterfield's fancy dress parties :|.


Anyway, back to the discussion. Birmingham is the best outside of London in every single field possibly imaginable.

yup it is fascinating, its interesting to see how and where settlers to the uk settled.

My mum's parents came from kenya and settled in leicester - ethnic indians, and according to that article, by 2010 Leicester will be the 1st city in europe to have a majority non-white population! That's quite startling! lol. I would have thought london wasnt far of that mark already.

There's a website somewhere where you can type in your surname and it tells you where in the UK it originated from, and wot areas of britain most have that name. It also pigeonholes your surname into a demopraphic - that was surprisingly accurate for my surname.

Hi,
Did they come from Kenya due to Idi Amin? My parents had some old friends who had to leave Kenya because of him.

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This really is me btw...

http://plum.flirble.org/~dan/dan-turban.jpg

thats a good look for you :yes:


no, seriously! :happy:

i was 16 at the time :P and the beard is fake in case u hadnt figured... i really wasnt *that* hairy as a young lad :)

Hi,
Did they come from Kenya due to Idi Amin? My parents had some old friends who had to leave Kenya because of him.

Do you mean Uganda?

i was 16 at the time :P and the beard is fake in case u hadnt figured... i really wasnt *that* hairy as a young lad :)

well, from the pics you posted in the skybar, you didnt look very hairy now :dunno: :shifty:

erm...

yeah.

Hi,
Did they come from Kenya due to Idi Amin? My parents had some old friends who had to leave Kenya because of him. I thought Ida Amin was President of Uganda. I think the President of Kenya, at that time was Daniel Arap Moi.