Most of East London is one big rubbish skip.

Some people have no sense of humour..... :)



yes...you


like some annoying guy at a party trying really hard to be funny, but just being slightly annoying and boring

I'm not a fan of VTP (is that what its called?), its a bit clumsy looking. The other towers (especially Beorma) are superb:)

You're not supposed to say nice things here!!!! Actually, I'm not sure I like VTP either ... if it's one of those projects that bites the dust, I won't be shedding any tears!

Any way ... more Beorma Tower for you ...

http://www.beormaquarter.com/images/img_city_1_big.jpg
http://www.beormaquarter.com/images/img_design_2_big.jpg

Most of East London is one big rubbish skip.I know. Parts of it look almost as shit as Manchester. Luckily I live out west. :)

University of Birmingham

Did you see the final Election Debate on the BBC held at the University of Birmingham? Surely one of the best looking 'Red Brick' universities in the country ... discuss :)

https://globaldover.wikispaces.com/file/view/BirminghamUniversityChancellorsCourt.jpg/34764781/BirminghamUniversityChancellorsCourt.jpg
http://www.about.bham.ac.uk/centenary/images/aston-webb-building-300.jpghttp://www.fecir.co.uk/images/Uni.jpg
http://www.cs.bham.ac.uk/admissions/postgraduate-research/Uni_CampusAerial.gifhttp://www.about.bham.ac.uk/centenary/images/clocktower.jpg
http://images.aperturefirst.org/20090827140922_20080417-birmingham_university.jpg

Most of East London is one big rubbish skip.

unfortunately most of london is a shit tip, vast swaithes of east and south london, and far west london. It's horrific, with crime and deprivation levels higher than regional cities, and yet more dire and soulless than places like luton or reading. Luckily, London's reputation and image only focuses on the minority nice-parts :)

That first render of Beorma Quarter is fantastic! I hope the building turns out as good as it looks in 3dsMax. Bit stumpy but so what... liking buildings because they're tall makes no sense anyway, even on these forums.


University of Birmingham

Surely one of the best looking 'Red Brick' universities in the country ...


Surely. It probably trumps Leeds University because of it's architectural (red brick) consistency, as opposed to Leeds University that is a mix-match of different architectural styles. The Uni's Great Hall however is one of the finest red brick buildings in the country:

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt118/awaren8/greathall-1.jpg

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt118/awaren8/greathall2.jpg

sorry about the ancient photographs. flickr let me down!

and Leeds uni's mix-match of styles isn't at all a bad thing. Got to love the Parkinson Building! http://www.eatstudent.co.uk/files/PageImages-Image-24.jpg

Both are lovely, however Founders Building at Royal Holloway is fucking gorgeous!!

http://www.ult2008.org/images/content/foundersFromTheAir.jpg

^^ wow

is that real? lol

Yeah, you can see it (for about half a second) from Stealth at Thorpe Park.

:eek: I guess we can close this argument then. Next time I'm on Stealth I'll have a look for it!

Surely. It probably trumps Leeds University because of it's architectural (red brick) consistency, as opposed to Leeds University that is a mix-match of different architectural styles. The Uni's Great Hall however is one of the finest red brick buildings in the country:

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt118/awaren8/greathall-1.jpg

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt118/awaren8/greathall2.jpg

sorry about the ancient photographs. flickr let me down!

and Leeds uni's mix-match of styles isn't at all a bad thing. Got to love the Parkinson Building! http://www.eatstudent.co.uk/files/PageImages-Image-24.jpg

Try to get him on the Brutalism stuff, The South bit of Leeds Uni rules OK for that.

You're not supposed to say nice things here!!!! Actually, I'm not sure I like VTP either ... if it's one of those projects that bites the dust, I won't be shedding any tears!
Any way ... more Beorma Tower for you ...


Haha I guess I'm just too nice, but if anyone targets Glasgow I'm always one of the first rip them to shreds! Thanks for the pics, definately a tower I'd love to steal!

Glasgow is shit. :wink2:

Yes, it's not a patch on Edinburgh. Now there's a CITY!

:shifty:


http://www.coconutstudio.com/Fishing%20Methods%203%20-%20The%20Payaw%20Men_files/Bangsi_troll_bait.jpg

:poke: :poke:

Bachy you just reminded me!

Leeds University also has some of the best examples of brutalist architecture in the country. I absolutely love walking through it. The buildings are successful, creating decent public spaces and some of the best skate spots in the country. Found wiggley's post from last month when googling uk brutalism:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=53822997&postcount=35

The sky corridors are immense. Iakov Chernikhov would be proud!

Love that building, always did. Think it's a hidden gem!

Subliving.

Rise above the common folk:|

I bet melfiire hates that though cus it's sixties and concrete and grey like Birmingham innnittt

^^ Melfire isn't old enough to go to university yet so you don't have to worry. He's not long joined Secondary school or as he calls it, big school.

City of London vs Canary Wharf?:runaway:

The former by a mile!! Can't stand Canary Wharf because it reminds me of Thatcher and The Sun for some reason, even though the Daily Mirror has its offices there!

Canary Wharf is completely soulless. Large expanses of paving slabs with a few fountains doesn't make an attractive urban space. Neither do 500ft rectangles in the sky, or people in suits going around not talking to each other. Where's your soul, London? I much prefer the city (or anywhere else in London) - it's so much more diverse. Canary Wharf just looks good at night, on postcards, and it's useful in skyline silhouette arguments on these forums.

Most of East London is one big rubbish skip.

I've fucking warned you before Whore Itch. :sly:

So Manchester, no more handouts from central government looking to shore up loyal constituencies. What will be the basis of the Manc economy now the gravy train has ended?

So Manchester, no more handouts from central government looking to shore up loyal constituencies. What will be the basis of the Manc economy now the gravy train has ended?

There you go again. :lol:

Obviously you didn't take much notice of the National (and Regional) news during the last Conservative Party Conference in Manchester.


Your (usual) ignorance shall remain unrewarded.

PS. The BBC are staying, regardless of the new Conservative Government. The loss of those highly skilled and highly paid BBC jobs must still hurt you and to some extent London. Shame. :)

Cough!

And the Conservatives are back again in 2011. :wink2: http://www.myvenues.co.uk/news/Venues/Manchester-Central-lands-Conservative-Party-Conference/446/

Chin up Monkey.

I never said the Tories would pull the plug on Media City. And sure you get a conference for one more year (that'll make a big difference ;) ). However I'm talking about the gravy train ending. I mean no more handouts for Manchester by central government. Pleading, begging, and bleating for subsidy from London has been the basis of the Manc economy for the last 13 years. So what's the plan now that London will no longer listen with a sympathetic ear? Manchester needs a new strategy....

Maybe it needs to attract private sector investment like Leeds has had to do for the last 13 years? We've had practically no public sector funding in that time.

Subliving.

^ Well done Leeds. Manchester should definitely try to follow that example. Bleating for subsidy is bad policy, and with the Tories in power it won't work any more.

Maybe it needs to attract private sector investment like Leeds has had to do for the last 13 years? We've had practically no public sector funding in that time.

Subliving.

Yes because Manchester has absolutely no private sector, certainly not one substantially larger than Leeds's.

^ What does it do? There's retail and...? :dunno:

Well which job was it that you applied for in Manchester? You know, the one that turned you down. ?

Monkey and Subliving are hilarious. :lol: You two really haven't got a clue what's going on and what has been going on in Manchester.

If you two deluded soles honestly think Manchester hasn't and won't attract further private sector investment, your both raving mad.

I've been over it numerous times before with certain Liverpool forum members. I'm still waiting for a reply from one of them.(I haven't forgot) TBH I can't be arsed going over it again and again........

Four letters.

ADUG.

Now go and do some homework and find out what their intentions are regarding East Manchester.

Langur's just trying to wind you up jrb (and has succeeded), he's intimate with Manchester's private sector through bitter experience.

I was simply wondering what kind of advantage Manchester would have if it hadn't had the massive public spending it has enjoyed. I think the gap between the northern cities would be a great deal smaller than it is now, and Birmingham would still be way ahead. I'm not for a second suggesting Manchester doesn't have any private investment, but where do you imagine it would be now if it'd had to progress the hard way like other cities?

Subliving.

But Birmingham is way ahead. For all of Manchester's absurd posturing, Brum has proper industries. It's a bigger city with a much bigger economy. There are no industries in Manchester except for retail, football clubs, a couple of tolerable universities (and all of these three can be found in every large provincial city), and then what's been given to it by London (eg Media City). What else? Jrb's post is full of Manc bluster, but doesn't actually list any industries. How convenient!

But Birmingham is way ahead. For all of Manchester's absurd posturing, Brum has proper industries. It's a bigger city with a much bigger economy. There are no industries in Manchester except for retail, football clubs, a couple of tolerable universities (and all of these three can be found in every large provincial city), and then what's been given to it by London (eg Media City). What else? Jrb's post is full of Manc bluster, but doesn't actually list any industries. How convenient!

And yet Greater Manchester's GVA is the highest outside London and the South East...

And yet Greater Manchester's GVA is the highest outside London and the South East...

erm, nope. GVA of West Midlands (NUTS2) is higher than Greater Manchester (NUTS2).

and btw Leeds (NUTS3) has a higher GVA per capita than both Greater Manchester South (NUTS3), Greater Manchester North (NUTS3) and Birmingham (NUTS3).

^^
Clear off you annoying child.

Industries in Manchester?

CIS/Co-Operative movement.
Astra Zeneca has a collosal prescence in perhaps the most high-tech industry in the world.

Aerospace...we make aircraft in Manchester (till 2012!).

Trafford Park is the UK largest industrial park by a mile.

Anyway..carry on..we don't care and when ADUG land with the UK's biggest investment outside the Olympics I will look forward to your bleating!

Langur's just trying to wind you up jrb (and has succeeded), he's intimate with Manchester's private sector through bitter experience.

Not at all Kids. How can you get wound up when you know the truth? :wink2:

Monkey is like certain Liverpool forumers.(no need to name them) Lots of posturing about Manchester, but in reality he and they haven't got a clue about the city.

We might as well merge this thread into the current conversation. Instead of Liverpolitan leading it, Monkey is now taking the 'agenda' forward. Feel free Monkey, the facts and figures speak for themselves. http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1113713&page=6

As for the future.

Manchester City Region
MCC/ADUG in East Manchester.
Media.
Knowledge Capital.
Creative industries.
Private inward investment.


Short term.
Transport/Metrolink(extension)
Recycling/GMWDA

Then we have the usuals. Further Government handouts,(civil service relocations), banking/finance, retail, law, leisure, etc, etc.

Munchestuh's gotta lotta hot air methinks.... ;)

usual.... Government handoutsThat's what I'm talking about... :yes:

Things are about to change! :D

10 British cities with a superior architectural offering to Manchester:

01) London
02) Oxford
03) Cambridge
04) Bath
05) Bristol
06) Edinburgh
07) Glasgow
08) Liverpool
09) Canterbury
10) Lincoln

I stopped at 10 because it's a round number, but there are others too. :)

10 British cities with a superior architectural offering to Manchester:

01) London
02) Oxford
03) Cambridge
04) Bath
05) Bristol
06) Edinburgh
07) Glasgow
08) Liverpool
09) Canterbury
10) Lincoln

I stopped at 10 because it's a round number, but there are others too. :)

Three points:
1. Probably correct: so what?
2. If you hate us so much and we are so crap...why do you bother...ahhh yes...we know!
3. You are a complete....

So Manchester, no more handouts from central government looking to shore up loyal constituencies. What will be the basis of the Manc economy now the gravy train has ended?

Instead of acknowledging the answers I gave him, Monkey resorts to his usual.......(fill in as approrpiate)

He asked.....

What will be the basis of the Manc economy now the gravy train has ended?

I gave him a few of those answers.

Again Monkey does his usual side step and instead posts.(see posts 7792, 7793, 7794)

Facts and figures will always triumph. Join the queue of those anti-Manchester posters that have tried and failed Monkey. :wink2:

That's what I'm talking about... :yes:

Things are about to change! :D

Straight into the tories pockets no doubt!

After the massive sums in private and public investment in Manchester over the years, what more could a shitty provincial mill town want or need? :)

Straight into the tories pockets no doubt!

We've everything we need! A large public transport system called Metrolink (expanding), a large ineternational airport, world class football stadia (the prospect of private investment via ADUG at city).

What more could a shitty provincial mill town want or need?

Aye, it causes no end of bemusment/amusement here in Manchester seeing people say how crap we are or how much better they are...we just quietly walk about our wonderfully expanding city, see the cranes and jobs flowing in and just laugh.

C'mon ADUG, hurry up.

Monkey's lasting SSC legacy.

The ultimate Government handout. http://www.london2012.com/

Monkey. I want 'you' to tell us how much the previous Labour Government has spent so far on the London Olympics. Accurate figure please.(the initial figure was in the region of £3,000,000,000)

I then want you to tell 'us' all the other Labour Government handouts London has had in the last 13 years(?).

When you've got the final figure, please post it so we can compare like for like.

We all wait with baited breath Monkey.(hope your tail isn't twitching too much?)

After the massive sums in private and public investment in Manchester over the years, what more could a shitty provincial mill town want or need? :)My thoughts exactly! It's nice to see some of you Mancs on the same page.... :)

Monkey's lasting SSC legacy.

The ultimate Government handout. http://www.london2012.com/

Monkey. I want 'you' to tell us how much the previous Labour Government has spent so far on the London Olympics. Accurate figure please.(the initial figure was in the region of £3,000,000,000)

I then want you to tell 'us' all the other Labour Government handouts London has had in the last 13 years(?).

When you've got the final figure, please post it so we can compare like for like.

We all wait with baited breath Monkey.(hope your tail isn't twitching too much?)

We're waiting Monkey. (You've just replied to Manc Guy)

^ What are you waiting for? The next round of Labour handouts? It'll be a long wait I'm afraid. I hope you've got a brolly given the miserable Manchester weather.... :)

^ What are you waiting for? The next round of Labour handouts? It'll be a long wait I'm afraid. I hope you've got a brolly given the miserable Manchester weather.... :)

Poor effort Monkey.

I'll help you, seeing as your struggling. It dwarfs any or all of Manchester's handouts from the same Labour Government.

As the wait continues. :)

Monkey's lasting SSC legacy.

The ultimate Government handout. http://www.london2012.com/

Monkey. I want 'you' to tell us how much the previous Labour Government has spent so far on the London Olympics. Accurate figure please.(the initial figure was in the region of £3,000,000,000)

I then want you to tell 'us' all the other Labour Government handouts London has had in the last 13 years(?).

When you've got the final figure, please post it so we can compare like for like.

We all wait with baited breath Monkey.(hope your tail isn't twitching too much?)

Yes I have to agree, much as though I hate Manchester, criticism of disproportionate public funding coming from London is a bit rich - definitely a case of those living in glass houses.

Monkey's lasting SSC legacy.

The ultimate Government handout. http://www.london2012.com/But London tried to handout the Olympics to Manchester, but you weren't good enough to win it, remember? The truth is we're always giving you chances to prove yourselves, but on the international stage, no-one's impressed by your bleating and whining and "regeneration". They can see that you just fundamentally don't have what it takes. The IOC even said that only London among British cities could hope to win. And so it was that London won, and Britain gets to host the Olympics after all. :)

Yes I have to agree, much as though I hate Manchester, criticism of disproportionate public funding coming from London is a bit rich - definitely a case of those living in glass houses.

A prime example being the new National Football Stadium.

Everyone apart from the Labour GovernmNnt, the FA, the London power brokers and the London based media wanted it to be centrally located(Birmingham) for the good of the nation and football fans in general.

The rest is history.

But London tried to handout the Olympics to Manchester, but you weren't good enough to win it, remember? The truth is we're always giving you chances to prove yourselves, but on the international stage, no-one's impressed by your bleating and whining and "regeneration". They can see that you just fundamentally don't have what it takes. The IOC even said that only London among British cities could hope to win. And so it was that London won, and Britain gets to host the Olympics after all. :)

You still haven't posted the figure Monkey. Why? (your full of spin)

Post the Handout(figure) from the previous Labour Government for the 2012 London Olympic Games.

We're all waiting.

While your at it, can you also post the overall cost of the London Millenniumn Dome. Another handout.

Did I mention Crossrail?

Have to disagree - it is quite right that a national stadium should be in the national capital. And investing in the infrastructure of the political and financial capital is just common sense really.

Have to disagree - it is quite right that a national stadium should be in the national capital. And investing in the infrastructure of the political and financial capital is just common sense really.

Hmmmm.....Germany....seemed to cope fairly well for 60years with evenly spread departments and state functions?

It is only London and Paris that dominate their country.

Spain is bi-polar

Russia has St Petersburg etc

Australia

Plenty of examples...

before you say those cities are bigger....AHA..not before the state in the UK allowed London to get everything. At the turn of the century..Glasgow:Manchester:birmingham were some of the largest cities in the world.

10 British cities with a superior architectural offering to Manchester:

01) London
02) Oxford
03) Cambridge
04) Bath
05) Bristol
06) Edinburgh
07) Glasgow
08) Liverpool
09) Canterbury
10) Lincoln

I stopped at 10 because it's a round number, but there are others too. :)Urbis, for instance, is just a shit building. They hype it up so much, but it's rubbish! You'd think they had the Sydney Opera House or something....

Have you even BEEN to manchester?

London is a league of its own, really. It's the economic powerhouse of the country, you could probably fit every single city centre from every other English city within the boundaries of London's centre, with room to spare. The disproportionate public funding it receives is mainly generated by its own citizens, which just isn't the case for any other city in the country. Shame it's the crime capital of the country too, but with the good must come the bad.

Have to disagree - it is quite right that a national stadium should be in the national capital. And investing in the infrastructure of the political and financial capital is just common sense really.


Your entitled to your opinion, but the vast majority of football fans wanted the new National football Stadium located centrally. Birmingham would have been a perfect location, especially with HSR on the horizon.

Urbis, for instance, is just a shit building. They hype it up so much, but it's rubbish! You'd think they had the Sydney Opera House or something....

More spin.

We're still waiting Monkey. Post the ex-Labour Government handout figure for the 2012 London Olympic Games.

London has its rubbish areas but it has some fab areas such as Westminster, Islington and much of West London is quite good. And South London has nice areas such as Wentworth, Crystal palace and Battersea.

London is a league of its own, really. It's the economic powerhouse of the country, you could probably fit every single city centre from every other English city within the boundaries of London's centre, with room to spare. The disproportionate public funding it receives is mainly generated by its own citizens, which just isn't the case for any other city in the country. Shame it's the crime capital of the country too, but with the good must come the bad.

That's because the country is run like a city state, the core cities governed like colonies.

That's because the country is run like a city state, the core cities governed like colonies.It's great, isn't it? :D

It's great, isn't it? :D

We're still waiting Monkey. Post the ex-Labour Government handout figure for the 2012 London Olympic Games. :)

It's great, isn't it? :D

Well your paying for it! :cheers:

Well your paying for it! :cheers:Indeed we are, but then masters have always paid for their slaves' fodder! :D

Indeed we are, but then masters have always paid for their slaves' fodder! :D

We're still waiting Monkey.


Post the ex-Labour Government handout figure for the 2012 London Olympic Games.

^ Are you still waiting for your Labour handouts? You'll be a long time son! I suggest a brolly and a flatcap!! :D

More spin.

We're still waiting Monkey. Post the ex-Labour Government handout figure for the 2012 London Olympic Games.

I looked around and £9,350,000,000 is the cost to the public purse according to a June 2009 report from the House of Commons. So it's going to be well in excess of £10,000,000,000 by the time they've finished... what does £10billion buy these days...

Super Hospitals
Queen Elizabeth Hospital, Birmingham:
There are 30 theatres: 23 inpatient theatres and 7 day case theatres
Theatres will be identified as:
emergency
ambulatory
elective
cost = about £600m
Number of super hospitals for Olympic Budget = 16 (sixteen)

Wind farms
eg 700 direct jobs and perhaps as many as 1,500 more in the supply chain. Investment of £100m, creating 2,000 jobs.
Number of wind farms for Olympic Budget = 100
Number of jobs created for Olympic Budget = 220,000

City Centre Tram System
Edinburgh's is set to cost about £600m
Number of city centre tram systems for Olympic Budget = 16 (sixteen)

EuroDisney
Cost to build $5b
Number of EuroDisneys for Olympic Budget = 2 and a bit (two and a bit)

Channel Tunnel
Cost to build Channel Tunnel £9.5b
Number of Channel Tunnels for Olympic Budget = 1.05

The average home
Cost to build the average home £70,000
Number of homes that could be built for Olympic Budget = 142,857

Solar power
Average cost of solar panel per home= £4,000
Average saving per home = £250 per year
Number of homes that can be fitted for Olympic Budget = 2,500,000
Total household savings in the first year = £625,000,000

How would you spend £10b from the public purse folks?

Clearly Langur, your point is a crock of shit! :lol:

It was marvellous to watch Chelski deliver their 8-0 thrashing of Wigan (Wigan is near Manchester). To see London teams crush Mancunian hopes (which is God's work) has been an enduring theme of this season, with Chelsea taking the title from Man United, and Tottenham squeezing out Man City to steal the 4th Champions League spot. Three London clubs in the top four, including Chelsea as winners. Good work! :D:guns1:

Haha, I've never heard of you Langur, but judging by the amount of posts and utter rubbish you write, you have very little time to enjoy the city in which you are located, let alone visit other parts of the country.

Haha, I've never heard of you Langur, but judging by the amount of posts and utter rubbish you write, you have very little time to enjoy the city in which you are located, let alone visit other parts of the country.

x2 he's rather fond of this stuff :toilet: uses it to make notes allegedly

So there you have it, courtsey of B4mmy.(Monkey bottled it)

Roughly £10billion and rising from the ex-Labour Government in handouts for the London 2012 Olympic Games. (we've not even touched on the other handouts either, like the Dome, Crossrail, etc, etc)

Oh the irony. :lol:

However I'm talking about the gravy train ending. I mean no more handouts for Manchester by central government. Pleading, begging, and bleating for subsidy from London has been the basis of the Manc economy for the last 13 years.

London is indeed the capital of the UK. The capital UK city for Government handouts. :cheers: That ones on me Monkey. (another handout)

PS. Note how Monkey states.

Pleading, begging, and bleating for subsidy from London

And here's me thinking the Money came from the National Government 'located' in London. :nuts:

So the Co-Op HQ being built in Manchester was a handout was it?

So the Co-Op HQ being built in Manchester was a handout was it?

So no it isn't.

I think South London is quite an underrated area of London. The embankment is popular but there are many things else to do in South London. There are quite a good few outdoor markets and there are many good areas to shop in South London.

"Madchester", just like Barcelona....

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y57/caw123/P6230020.jpg

there's worse bits than that monkey... try a bit harder


http://www.virtual-planit.com/CHRIS/monkeysmums.jpg

"Madchester", just like Barcelona....

:wink2:

...and hardly a cloud in the sky!

^ I know. It's an incredibly flattering image given how rainy Manchester is. :)

^ I know. It's an incredibly flattering image given how rainy Manchester is. :)

There then lies the possiblity that its not Manchester at all! It could infact be a street located absoloutley anywhere in the UK! :)

^ No it's definitely in the Manchester area. I think Salford. Even in the bright sunshine it's incredibly grim and depressing. Only in Manchester! :)

^ No it's definitely Salford. Even in the bright sunshine it's incredibly grim and depressing. Only in Manchester! :)

http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/jul2009/4/4/stonebridge-estate-in-2001-pic-dm-251541751.jpg
Apparently it is our capital city ^^^

New York is quaking in it's boots.

Keyboard Monkey wouldn't know it but that's the same area (a couple of streets away) that I took mine from... caw's photo is all demolished now and undergoing a regen of approximately 1,250 council dwellings and delivering about 800 new build properties for social rent, low cost home ownership and private sale... It's a crime that this area is only now getting the regen it's badly needed for 50 or more years....

^ No it's definitely in the Manchester area. I think Salford. Even in the bright sunshine it's incredibly grim and depressing. Only in Manchester! :)

Nothing wrong with that sort of housing, in fact its probably the most sustainable and adaptable housing type we have in the UK.

Just needs a bit of TLC thats all like this regeneration of similar terraces, also in Salford.

http://www.bdonline.co.uk/Pictures/web/k/u/o/ShedKMChimney_pot_ready.jpg

http://commondatastorage.googleapis.com/static.panoramio.com/photos/original/19944960.jpg

http://www.urbansplash.co.uk/chimneypotpark/static/images/splash_bg.jpg

This is all getting ridiculous .... simply not enough "Birmingham Bashing" going on!

The best city in England by far is Birmingham, for a plethora of different reasons ... Manchester is a close second!

BIRMINGHAM
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I like Birmingham :)

This is all getting ridiculous .... simply not enough "Birmingham Bashing" going on!



Never fear, I'll help you! :)

http://www.birminghammail.net/news/birmingham-news/2008/10/15/selfridges-in-birmingham-voted-ugliest-in-uk-97319-22039474/

BIRMINGHAM’S iconic Selfridges building has been voted the ugliest in the UK.
The construction topped the list of Britain’s most reviled structures but was closely followed by the controversial 1960s Central Library, which is set to be demolished.

Spaghetti Junction also featured in the top 10.

The survey featured most of the UK’s most notable buildings, with more than a third saying Birmingham had the ugliest, followed by Manchester, Liverpool and Plymouth.

Strolling under the Eiffel Tower in the middle of Birmingham might seem like a strange prospect, but it’s the building people said they would most like to see.

City regeneration chief Coun Neville Summerfield said: “While both buildings are undoubtedly striking and stimulate great debate about their design, we believe this is for very different reasons.

“Selfridges’ award-winning design has become synonymous with Birmingham’s recent economic growth and is known around the country as one of the prominent symbols of modern retail and regeneration success.

“In contrast, the Central Library is an out-dated eyesore which causes a real visual and physical blockage within the city centre, a situation which we are currently looking to address with our plans to demolish and redevelop the site.”

Conservation expert, and head of planning at the city council, Coun Peter Douglas Osborne, said: “I would say the people who object to the Selfridges building have clearly not been there and those who have objected to the Central Library building obviously have been there.”

The survey showed the Scottish Parliament and even the Angel of the North would be demolished if Brits had their way.

The research was carried out by computer game manufacturer EA to celebrate the launch of new computer game SimCity Creator, which allows players to create, enjoy and destroy their own cities.

* The Top Ten

* 1 Selfridges Birmingham

* 2 Birmingham Central Library

* 3 Angel of the North, Newcastle

* 4 Scottish Parliament, Edingburgh

* 5 Arndale Centre, Manchester

* 6 The Liver Building, Liverpool

* 7 Spaghetti Junction, Birmingham

* 8 Drakes Circus, Plymouth

* 9 Liverpool Cathedral

* 10 Parkhill flats, Sheffield

The Liver Building and Liverpool Cathedral are on that list. :lol:

I wouldn't say the Liver Building was ugly, but I'm not too keen on the Anglican Cathedral. Wouldn't put it as one of the UKs ugliest buildings though.

I agree, the Liver Building is not ugly. It is a wonderful piece of architecture and is an iconic Liverpool landmark.

There's more architecture in the Liver Building than in the whole of Manchester. Liverpool would be a great city if it wasn't for the Scousers cry-baby victim-complex tribalism.

Just to wind Langur up
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/business/s/1240029_manchester_is_best_for_business_in_europe

^ They even have a picture of f***ing Urbis on there! Christ that building is shite....

I wouldn't say the Liver Building was ugly, but I'm not too keen on the Anglican Cathedral. Wouldn't put it as one of the UKs ugliest buildings though.

I'm guessing they mean the modernist Catholic one, but with that list, :nuts: who can tell!

Manchester may be good for business but it has its downfalls. I bet I will get bitten on the bum now by Mancunians on here who try and prove it is flawless.

London has a lot of history and architecture. It does lack the huge amount of skyscrapers that many cities its size across the world have. It has some but they tend to be in the Canary Wharf and City Of London area.

There's more architecture in the Liver Building than in the whole of Manchester. Liverpool would be a great city if it wasn't for the Scousers cry-baby victim-complex tribalism.

Liverpool IS a great city, and so is Manchester( and you know it:) but you will never admit that of course. I live 15 miles from each city, two of the best cities in England and woudlnt live anywhere else, it feels great be within stricking distance of these two great places and of course , just an hours ride to the beautiful Snowdonia or Lakes,( I even cycle to wales on some days 100 round trip) yip, the North west is just a great place to be for quality of life. I feel sorry for people like you stuck in the big smoke all the time, I actually like visiting London for the day, only 2 hours on the train, buts it nice to get back up here on the same day. Hate to live there permanent.

I'm guessing they mean the modernist Catholic one, but with that list, :nuts: who can tell!

probably, but then again the Scottish Parliament building is in there too.

Manchester may be good for business but it has its downfalls. I bet I will get bitten on the bum now by Mancunians on here who try and prove it is flawless.But Manchester isn't good for business. If it was so competitive, then why doesn't it have a higher GDP per capita? Why doesn't it have a higher growth rate? Why don't ambitious people wnat to move there? Why doesn't it have any serious industries??

Liverpool is one city I would love to visit. My parents have been there and in 1886 my great, great, great grandfather sailed from there to go to America. It was the gateway to the world as it was a major port for people emigrating to and from the country.

Liverpool IS a great city, and so is Manchester( and you know it:) but you will never admit that of course. I live 15 miles from each city, two of the best cities in England and woudlnt live anywhere else, it feels great be within stricking distance of these two great places and of course , just an hours ride to the beautiful Snowdonia or Lakes,( I even cycle to wales on some days 100 round trip) yip, the North west is just a great place to be for quality of life. I feel sorry for people like you stuck in the big smoke all the time, I actually like visiting London for the day, only 2 hours on the train, buts it nice to get back up here on the same day. Hate to live there permanent."Close to Liverpool", "1 hour from Snowdonia", "2hrs from London", etc etc. If that's the best boast you have for where you live, then it doesn't say much for the qualities of Manchester itself. And no I don't think Manchester's a great city at all. Great cities have great architecture, a rich cultural life, good restaurants, exciting places to go out, etc. Manchester has none of those things. It's good for watching football matches and that's about it.

Just to wind Langur up
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/business/s/1240029_manchester_is_best_for_business_in_europe

Just to wind up the Monkey living in the 'handout' Capital of the UK even more.

What will be the basis of the Manc economy now the gravy train has ended?

Propertyweek.

Vinoly’s £1bn scheme could take the Blues away

14.05.10

By Mark Shepherd

Manchester City might be playing in the Europa League next season, but planned complex is the stuff of champions

For the summer at least, the City of Manchester Stadium will fall silent.

http://www.propertyweek.com/Pictures/web/h/o/l/Rafael_Vinoly_bw.jpg

Vinoly

The end of the football season means that fans of Manchester City can dream of Champions League success next time around under their Abu Dhabi chairman, Khaldoon Al Mubarak, who is also the head of Mubadala Development Company.

But the absence of throngs of supporters streaming into east Manchester does not mean that things are not happening behind the scenes.

Although manager Roberto Mancini will no doubt be scouring the transfer market for players, his boss has been strongly linked with a swoop on top architect Rafael Vinoly to design a £1bn sports and leisure complex on 200 acres of land around the stadium.

As with all the best transfer rumours, nobody wants to say much. Manchester City Council, which has signed a development agreement with the football club and regeneration company New East Manchester to develop a huge project on the site, directed all enquiries to Eastlands.

When the name Rafael Vinoly was then put to the Manchester City press office, all Property Week received was a terse “no comment”.

But Vinoly (left) and Al Mubarak have played together before. Vinoly is the architect on Mubadala’s Mina Zayed waterfront scheme in Abu Dhabi. That project comprises leisure and entertainment facilities and forms part of a 150 acre urban waterfront redevelopment that will be a central plank of Abu Dhabi’s plans to become a world-class tourism destination. It is anchored by an MGM Mirage gaming hotel.

The similarities between what he is doing there and the vision for Eastlands are striking. A source familiar with Mubadala said: “They have done a lot of work together in the past. It would not be a surprise to anyone if they were to team up at the Manchester City site.”

Vinoly was also a prominent figure on the Mubadala stand at the Cityscape property exhibition, held in the emirate last month.

If Vinoly is to be signed, it will be a significant step forward for the site, which has been looking for a scheme ever since 2007, when the government announced that a supercasino could be built there, but then changed its mind.

Instead of gamblers, the plan now accommodates a world-class training complex, leisure facilities, restaurants, retail and a hotel.

Perhaps it is time for fans to wonder how Vinoly would look in a blue shirt.

The Mina Zayed waterfront scheme in Abu Dhabi. Flythrough video, renders, animations and visual affects.http://www.lastpixel.com.au/animation_minazayed.html

Rafael Vinoly Architect website. http://www.rvapc.com/

"Close to Liverpool", "1 hour from Snowdonia", "2hrs from London", etc etc. If that's the best boast you have for where you live, then it doesn't say much for the qualities of Manchester itself. And no I don't think Manchester's a great city at all. Great cities have great architecture, a rich cultural life, good restaurants, exciting places to go out, etc. Manchester has none of those things. It's good for watching football matches and that's about it.

Err I dont live IN Manchester, but it does have all those qaulities you mention actually and so does Liverpool :yes: and my quality of life is pretty good thank you very much sir
@ Norwichjewels, If you have never been to Liverpool then I would recommend a visit , it also feels a very welcoming place.

On the way to Esholt we drove through the suburbs of Bradford. I took a few pics en route of the city centre, panorama pics.

@ Norwichjewels, If you have never been to Liverpool then I would recommend a visit , it also feels a very welcoming place.

I take it you are from Liverpool then? Yes I would love to visit it. It needs the recognition it deserves rather than Manchester taking the limelight all the time for having almost fuck all.

I take it you are from Liverpool then? Yes I would love to visit it. It needs the recognition it deserves rather than Manchester taking the limelight all the time for having almost fuck all.

Monkeys love child. ^^

"Monkey, where are you?"

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^^ Manchester should be renamed Boringchester. :banana:

^^ Manchester should be renamed Boringchester. :banana:

Oh God! Here we go again. Another one jumping on the bandwaggon.

Go on then Norwich, vent your spleen and get it out of your system. :lol:

It's only a matter of time before the inevitable happens and you join the.......

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[QUOTE=Suburban Knight;56895619]Never fear, I'll help you! :)

:lol: Note: No Leeds buildings on that list because no-one outside of that city would be able to name a single famous Leeds building!! :lol:

Oh God! Here we go again. Another one jumping on the bandwaggon.

Go on then Norwich, vent your spleen and get it out of your system. :lol:

It's only a matter of time before the inevitable happens and you join the.......

Leave them to it jrb ... the rest of us know Manchester is just about the coolest city in Europe, even us that don't live there recognise that! :)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Manchester_Skyline_Image.jpg/800px-Manchester_Skyline_Image.jpg

Leave them to it jrb ... the rest of us know Manchester is just about the coolest city in Europe, even us that don't live there recognise that! :)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ef/Manchester_Skyline_Image.jpg/800px-Manchester_Skyline_Image.jpg

We all know where Manchester stands. It has it's good points and it's bad points. It has good areas and it has bad areas. It excels at certain things and struggles with others.

Show me a city in Europe that's any different. :)

On a lighter note. :lol: God bless the Telegraph and Mail.

From How Do.

Completely unbiased MediaCityUK coverage from The Telegraph

Friday, 14 May 2010

Yes, quite. How-Do was left choking over its Cheerios this morning when we saw that The Telegraph had picked up on the decision by the Diocese of Manchester to appoint a full-time chaplain at MediaCityUK.

The paper - not, it must be said, an out and out flag-waver for the relocation of five BBC departments to Peel Media's huge development - went through the details of the situation vacant, as covered on How-Do earlier this week.

It then proceeded to quote an unnamed BBC source, who, it must be said, did not appear to be an out and out flag-waver for the relocation either.

Said source said: "Many of the London staff were horrified by the prospect of moving up North and there will no doubt be people who need counselling about their change of surroundings.”

'Horrified'... well, who can blame them.

The source continued: “It is hoped that the new vicar will be able to provide some pastoral support to the new community of London staff who, it is expected, will take a while to acclimatise to life outside the capital.”

There was little mention of the role the chaplain might be expected to play with the 800 students and staff of the University of Salford who will be based at the site. Or the inhabitants of the 378 apartments there. Or the good folk at Booths Supermarket. Or the Holiday Inn guests and employees. Or the myriad residents of the Pie Factory. Or, or, or.... And this is just Phase One of the 200 acre plus site.

Anyway, the Cheerios are safely down the gullet now. So, we'll try and move on... maybe the London press might like to do the same at some point?

Update:

So much for moving on. Our thanks go to Jim, below, for highlighting The Mail's coverage of the same story.

That particular publication starts its piece with the factually incorrect headline - BBC hires a vicar to offer counselling to staff moving up North - and continues in the following quite breathtaking fashion:

There's nothing like a vicar's sympathetic ear in times of trouble. They can help deal with a death in the family, a marriage on the rocks or teenagers running wild.

And in the worst case scenario, they'll even be there if you work for the BBC and have to move North.

Sigh. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/bbc/7721977/BBC-staff-to-get-vicar-counselling-to-help-with-trauma-of-moving-north.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

I'm guessing they mean the modernist Catholic one, but with that list, :nuts: who can tell!

Oh. Well 'Liverpool Cathedral' usually would refer to the Anglican one.

Anyway, I think the Catholic Cathedral is an amazing building. It represents the Christian faith much better than the old gothic Cathedrals.

Both Manchester and Liverpool are great cities, I have to admit I prefer Manc (not just because I am from that city). I am being totally honest when I say, the only British city that I do not enjoy visiting, is London. I'm not even sure why, It just brings me down.

Both Manchester and Liverpool are great cities, I have to admit I prefer Manc (not just because I am from that city). I am being totally honest when I say, the only British city that I do not enjoy visiting, is London. I'm not even sure why, It just brings me down.

propably because you realise manchester can never be as good:lol::cheers:

propably because you realise manchester can never be as good:lol::cheers:

I do not question the fact that London is a great city, and I am fully aware that in many respects it is better than the provincial cities. I just don't like the place, it's my opinion and i am entitled to it. Of course Manchester will never be as good, but that has nothing to do with it. Manchester will never be even 100th as good as New York, and I adore New York.

I do not question the fact that London is a great city, and I am fully aware that in many respects it better than the provincial cities. I just don't like the place, it's my opinion and i am entitled to it. Of course Manchester will never be as good, but that has nothing to do with it. Manchester will never be even 100th as good as New york, and I adore New york.

fair enough..im not a fan of manchester either.:cheers:

^^ Manchester should be renamed Boringchester. :banana:

Boring? Hardly, I don't think you can describe any of the the larger cities as boring.

Manchester is a stirling example of regeneration IMHO. Probably the most confident of the English Core cities.

P.S. I really have been fighting alongside the Mancunians on here lately :\

Oh dear, please lets not degrade the name of the Fine City by getting involved in this thread :ohno:

Norwich is lovely and politely respects other cities for being nice and lovely too. Except Ipswich. Oh wait! Thats not a city.

Boring? Hardly, I don't think you can describe any of the the larger cities as boring.

Indeed. Not only Manchester, but Liverpool, Birmingham, Leeds, Newcastle, Bristol, etc, etc. Once these cities were a one day visit. Not any more. :cheers:

Indeed. Not only Manchester, but Liverpool, Birmingham, Leeds, Newcastle, Bristol, etc, etc. Once these cities were a one day visit. Not any more. :cheers:

I still think all the core cities are one day visits, all the citied have parks and plenty of shops and theaters etc, there isn't really much to set these cities apart.

Look, can we stop coming to some sort of agreement. This is the city bashing thread. Not the city compare, analyse, evaluate and conclude to a mutual agreement thread. :ohno:

I still think all the core cities are one day visits, all the citied have parks and plenty of shops and theaters etc, there isn't really much to set these cities apart.

To be fair, you'd have to do a lot of running around to visit all the attractions in either of those cities in one day. No, they're not a patch on London with things to see and do, but very few of those cities would disappoint the average visitor.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/5/11/1273588139588/Leeds-sighseeing-bus-001.jpg

:|

I still think all the core cities are one day visits, all the citied have parks and plenty of shops and theaters etc, there isn't really much to set these cities apart.

Well that may be the case for Leeds but it's certainly not true of Liverpool or Manchester.

I like norwich as well, hoping to get there in the next couple of weeks

Well that may be the case for Leeds but it's certainly not true of Liverpool or Manchester.

Or here :D

Well that may be the case for Leeds but it's certainly not true of Liverpool or Manchester.That's true. Manchester's more like a half or quarter day. In fact you may as well not bother.

That's true. Manchester's more like a half or quarter day. In fact you may as well not bother.

yep, its all covered in Street View anyway. Save your shoe leather, bus fares and dinner money...

http://www.sportbusiness.com/awards/usc/2010

Men n Boys.

Manchester has bigger things to discuss:

Final Shortlist for Ultimate Sports Cities 2010 (in alphabetical order)

Beijing
Berlin
Budapest
Chicago
Doha
Dubai
Glasgow
Istanbul
Johannesburg
Lausanne
London
Madrid
Manchester
Melbourne
Monte Carlo
Moscow
New York
Paris
Rio de Janeiro
Rome
Shanghai
Singapore
Sydney
Valencia
Vancouver

I like norwich as well, hoping to get there in the next couple of weeks

Yeah! Lets hear it for Norwich!!

http://www.sportbusiness.com/awards/usc/2010

Men n Boys.

Manchester has bigger things to discuss:

Final Shortlist for Ultimate Sports Cities 2010 (in alphabetical order)

Beijing
Berlin
Budapest
Chicago
Doha
Dubai
Glasgow
Istanbul
Johannesburg
Lausanne
London
Madrid
Manchester
Melbourne
Monte Carlo
Moscow
New York
Paris
Rio de Janeiro
Rome
Shanghai
Singapore
Sydney
Valencia
Vancouver

That's a great list Delboy / Fly. Good luck to Mcr.

Birmingham can't be too far behind when it comes to hosting championships. Football is obviously featuring well in Brum with 3 city Prem teams and 1 up the road. Edgbaston also hosts first class and test cricket. But other sports are hosted here - see below.

Overview of Brum's sporting pedigree when it comes to hosting indoor European and World Championships.

In more recent years Birmingham has become well known across the globe for its staging of major sports events. In the last five years alone, the city has hosted the 9th IAAF World Indoor Athletics Championships, the World Badminton Championships, the FIG Artistic Gymnastics World Cup Final, the GB Judo World Cup, the World Junior Wheelchair Basketball Championships, the Trampoline and Tumbling World Cup Final and the 29th European Athletics Indoor Championships.

In future years, Birmingham will be hosting the IAAF/EDF Energy World Half Marathon Championships, the European Artistic Gymnastic Championships, the World Wheelchair Basketball Championships and the BMX World Championships.

Very soon we also hold the AEGON Ladies Lawn Tennis Championships.

I went to Norwich once back when I was a student to see Tricia being filmed. My brain always associates that city with a cathedral, chavs and some slapper who ran off and left her son to be raised for 18 years by a man that later turned out was not his real father.

It was a DNA test episode :yes:

http://www.sportbusiness.com/awards/usc/2010

Men n Boys.

Manchester has bigger things to discuss:

Final Shortlist for Ultimate Sports Cities 2010 (in alphabetical order)

Beijing
Berlin
Budapest
Chicago
Doha
Dubai
Glasgow
Istanbul
Johannesburg
Lausanne
London
Madrid
Manchester
Melbourne
Monte Carlo
Moscow
New York
Paris
Rio de Janeiro
Rome
Shanghai
Singapore
Sydney
Valencia
Vancouver
What, not LA or Toronto? LA has as many sports franchises as Chicago and New York and boast more sporting facilities than either of the two. Toronto has more pro franchises than any other Canadian city and it hosts an international annual motor sport event.

Strange list that one????????????????

I take it you are from Liverpool then? Yes I would love to visit it. It needs the recognition it deserves rather than Manchester taking the limelight all the time for having almost fuck all.

I am from neither Liverpool or Manc,probably closer to Liverpool as the crow flies. I love both cities and visit both on a regular basis, If I was honest and had to choose a favourite I would choose Manchester, the place has a certain vibe and cosmpolitan buzz ,big city feel, thats hard to match in England outside London .Liverpool has the grander old buildings. You called Manchester boredomsville' so I take you have been recently then. Why did you not take the opportunity to visit Liverpool,while you were there( 40 mins on the train) you said its a place you would love to see. I take it you didnt have time for that one

Nice to see Glasgow represented too, though the competition is a bit fierce to expect anything more.

I am from neither Liverpool or Manc,probably closer to Liverpool as the crow flies. I love both cities and visit both on a regular basis, If I was honest and had to choose a favourite I would choose Manchester, the place has a certain vibe and cosmpolitan buzz ,big city feel, thats hard to match in England outside London .Liverpool has the grander old buildings. You called Manchester boredomsville' so I take you have been recently then. Why did you not take the opportunity to visit Liverpool,while you were there( 40 mins on the train) you said its a place you would love to see. I take it you didnt have time for that one



I don't think Manchester has as much of a big city feel as Liverpool, I think that's quite misleading. Manchester city centre is bulkier than Liverpool, yes, but outside the city centre personally I think Liverpool comes out on top, you still feel like your in a big interesting city in more places, eg otterspool, dock road, sefton park, princes avenue, hamilton square, seacombe, eggremont and new brighton promenade etc...

I don't think Manchester has as much of a big city feel as Liverpool, I think that's quite misleading. Manchester city centre is bulkier than Liverpool, yes, but outside the city centre personally I think Liverpool comes out on top, you still feel like your in a big interesting city in more places, eg otterspool, dock road, sefton park, princes avenue, hamilton square, seacombe, eggremont and new brighton promenade etc...

Manchester has that too though with Didsbury, Fallowfield, Withington, Levenshulme etc which all feel like exciting places when you're there and have pretty much unbroken urban connectons with the city centre. Then there's places like Stockport, Ashton and Denton, even, yes I just said Denton was 'exciting' :shifty: :ohno:

Whenever I visited Liverpool I always got that feeling that I was in a place that used to be the second city of the Empire though. You don't really have that feeling in Manc/Brum - they're just big cities.

Subliving.

I think Liverpool has many historic buildings and history itself. Plus it has been the birthplace of The Beatles.

So what exactly does it mean being a big "sport city"? A number of cities on that list quite comfortably trump Manchester anyway - it shouldn't promote itself as simply a sport city. :dunno:


Subliving.

http://www.sportbusiness.com/awards/usc/2010

Men n Boys.

Manchester has bigger things to discuss:

Final Shortlist for Ultimate Sports Cities 2010 (in alphabetical order)

Beijing
Berlin
Budapest
Chicago
Doha
Dubai
Glasgow
Istanbul
Johannesburg
Lausanne
London
Madrid
Manchester
Melbourne
Monte Carlo
Moscow
New York
Paris
Rio de Janeiro
Rome
Shanghai
Singapore
Sydney
Valencia
Vancouver

If Manchester is on that list I don`t see why Sheffield isn`t? sporting facilities are just as good(although we don`t have velodrome). Is it just based on sporting facilities or the the different number of sports represented in the city?because I would say that Sheffield has the most when it come to that. A successful ice hockey team and basketball team(plus two other basketball and ice hockey teams and the most successful woman's basketball team of all time), division 1 rugby team, speedway team as well as the two football teams. Sheffield could easily host a commonwealth games.

If Manchester is on that list I don`t see why Sheffield isn`t? sporting facilities are just as good(although we don`t have velodrome). Is it just based on sporting facilities or the the different number of sports represented in the city?because I would say that Sheffield has the most when it come to that. A successful ice hockey team and basketball team(plus two other basketball and ice hockey teams and the most successful woman's basketball team of all time), division 1 rugby team, speedway team as well as the two football teams. Sheffield could easily host a commonwealth games.


sheffield is a good sport city, surely you can see it's not Manchester's equal though?

here's another accolade for Manchester sport

http://www.manchesterconfidential.co.uk/Sport/General/Manchester-in-worlds-top-ten-for-sport-_10864.asp

sheffield is a good sport city, surely you can see it's not Manchester's equal though?



Why not?

well for starters because it doesn't get into awards lists like those just mentioned

realistically the two main football teams in Manchester put together trump all of sport in sheffield put together, I'm not saying Sheffield is bad or anything, just Manchester is a significant sport city on a world stage and sheffield isn't

well for starters because it doesn't get into awards lists like those just mentioned

realistically the two main football teams in Manchester put together trump all of sport in sheffield put together, I'm not saying Sheffield is bad or anything, just Manchester is a significant sport city on a world stage and sheffield isn't

We have much more diverse sports in Sheffield then you do u Manc( so as a sport city we would be better, there are more sports in the city)!we were were named the UK`s first National City of Sport a while back to!

Sheffield is the UK centre for rock climbing, whereas Manchester is better if you want to be a football hooligan or couch potato and simply watch other people playing football. That could be why Manchester has overtaken Glasgow as Britain's fattest city. :)

We have much more diverse sports in Sheffield then you do u Manc( so as a sport city we would be better, there are more sports in the city)!we were were named the UK`s first National City of Sport a while back to!

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/may/16/tyson-gay-jessica-ennis-record

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/dec/18/michael-phelps-rebecca-adlington-swimming

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/athletics/8682978.stm

Just a few (some very recent) non-football/cycling headlines that put Manchester on that list. Can Sheffield match it?

Manchester 'worst for self-harm'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7582579.stm

http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/JK4824-001.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=2AC75F6FAA20674CD8B22EB25F6AEC55E9538923FA701DD049207362A3F24453 http://www.pamalam.co.uk/MUSIC/L%20S%20Lowry/Lowry_HiddenManRedEyes.jpg

More people in Manchester self-harm than anywhere else in Europe, a new study has claimed.

Hospital admissions for self-harm were compared from eight European countries between 1989 and 2003.

Researchers found an average of 540 women and 422 men out of every 100,000 Mancunians had self-harmed.

This was followed by Oxford, with 416 men and women per 100,000. The findings will be presented at a conference in Glasgow on Wednesday.

Researchers said the UK has higher self-harm rates than the rest of Europe.

Ljubljana in Slovenia had the lowest rate with just 72 woman and 64 men per 100,000 self-harming.

Gent in Belgium, Cork and Limerick in Ireland, Sor-Trondelag in Norway and Umea in Sweden were the other cities included in the study.


Teenage self-harm

The research was carried out by the Network for International Collaboration on Evidence in Suicide Prevention.

It will be presented at the 12th European Symposium on Suicide and Suicidal Behaviour, which starts on Wednesday in Glasgow.

Organised by the universities of Edinburgh and Stirling and attended by experts from around the world, it will be the largest conference ever held in the UK on suicide and self-harm.

Other research being discussed at the conference includes a Stirling University-led study in which 700 teenagers aged 15 and 16 in central Scotland were questioned about self-harm.

About 14% of those reported they had self-harmed.

The study found those who reported having concerns about their sexual orientation, a history of sexual abuse or knew a family member who had self-harmed were five times more likely to self-harm.

High levels of anxiety and low self-esteem were also key factors.

Professor Stephen Platt, of Edinburgh University, said the younger a person was the more likely they were to self-harm.

He added that the risk of suicide was 60 to 100 times higher among those who had self-harmed.

Professor Platt said: "This latest research confirms we have a serious problem of self-harm in the UK, particularly among women.

"Although we have made excellent progress in improving support services, we still have a long way to go.

"Conferences such as this provide an opportunity to share our understanding of suicidal behaviour and to develop better care."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2010/may/16/tyson-gay-jessica-ennis-record

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/dec/18/michael-phelps-rebecca-adlington-swimming

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/athletics/8682978.stm

Just a few (some very recent) non-football/cycling headlines that put Manchester on that list. Can Sheffield match it?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-1162785/Miley-leads-record-breakers-British-Swimming-Championships-Sheffield.html

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/robertson-wins-world-snooker-title-20100504-u46s.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/athletics/8513166.stm

It will be presented at the 12th European Symposium on Suicide and Suicidal Behaviour, which starts on Wednesday in Glasgow.


That sounds like my kinda upbeat gig, might check it out :happy:

"Here you go Boris, that should keep the London 2012 Olympic Games ticking over a little longer."

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01366/wad-of-cash-460_1366139c.jpg

"If you need anymore money, you know who to contact."

"No wonder they call London the handout Capital of the UK Boris." (as he slaps Boris on the back)

London's 2012 Olympic Games theme (to the) tune. (of £10 billion) :banana:

TecR_5-rQ4U

Manchester 'worst for self-harm'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7582579.stm

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More people in Manchester self-harm than anywhere else in Europe, a new study has claimed.

Hospital admissions for self-harm were compared from eight European countries between 1989 and 2003.

Researchers found an average of 540 women and 422 men out of every 100,000 Mancunians had self-harmed.

This was followed by Oxford, with 416 men and women per 100,000. The findings will be presented at a conference in Glasgow on Wednesday.

Researchers said the UK has higher self-harm rates than the rest of Europe.

Ljubljana in Slovenia had the lowest rate with just 72 woman and 64 men per 100,000 self-harming.

Gent in Belgium, Cork and Limerick in Ireland, Sor-Trondelag in Norway and Umea in Sweden were the other cities included in the study.


Teenage self-harm

The research was carried out by the Network for International Collaboration on Evidence in Suicide Prevention.

It will be presented at the 12th European Symposium on Suicide and Suicidal Behaviour, which starts on Wednesday in Glasgow.

Organised by the universities of Edinburgh and Stirling and attended by experts from around the world, it will be the largest conference ever held in the UK on suicide and self-harm.

Other research being discussed at the conference includes a Stirling University-led study in which 700 teenagers aged 15 and 16 in central Scotland were questioned about self-harm.

About 14% of those reported they had self-harmed.

The study found those who reported having concerns about their sexual orientation, a history of sexual abuse or knew a family member who had self-harmed were five times more likely to self-harm.

High levels of anxiety and low self-esteem were also key factors.

Professor Stephen Platt, of Edinburgh University, said the younger a person was the more likely they were to self-harm.

He added that the risk of suicide was 60 to 100 times higher among those who had self-harmed.

Professor Platt said: "This latest research confirms we have a serious problem of self-harm in the UK, particularly among women.

"Although we have made excellent progress in improving support services, we still have a long way to go.

"Conferences such as this provide an opportunity to share our understanding of suicidal behaviour and to develop better care."

It is disturbing you have to resort to this. That is just wrong. It is not even a funny. You should not be using or suggesting something that capitalises on someone's emotional turmoil. Behind those figures, is a person's life. You should not be taking the piss. It just wrong.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/othersports/article-1162785/Miley-leads-record-breakers-British-Swimming-Championships-Sheffield.html

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/robertson-wins-world-snooker-title-20100504-u46s.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/athletics/8513166.stm

I'll tell you what, I'll give you that. I like the crucible. The difference is that its all about how it is marketed in Manchester bringing more internationally oriented events. Then add the World's richest and most popular football clubs respectively, various rugby clubs, Lancashire Cricket Club, all the sports arenas from the Commonwealth Games, Aquatics centre etc etc the MEN arena for Boxing and so on and on.

I'll tell you what, I'll give you that. I like the crucible. The difference is that its all about how it is marketed in Manchester bringing more internationally oriented events. Then add the World's richest and most popular football clubs respectively, various rugby clubs, Lancashire Cricket Club, all the sports arenas from the Commonwealth Games, Aquatics centre etc etc the MEN arena for Boxing and so on and on.

Sheffield could easily host the Commonwealth games too!only thing we are missing is a velodrome!we have all the sporting facilities manc has apart from that!We also have the English Institute for sport and shit loads of ice rinks!and I don`t think we can be matched when it comes to the number of sports the city offers!

sheffield could host it, but hasn't. Have you even read what criteria they've used?

[QUOTE=Langur;57068891]Manchester 'worst for self-harm'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7582579.stm

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I just love that Lowry picture, so freaky, haunting disturbing looking and adept for this article.

Can't fault the boy for trying to but it is comical to say Sheffield is even close to Manchester in terms of sport...they have 2/3 small football league clubs...we have 9. Two of which are now amongst the worlds Top 5 in terms of spending power?

MEN- UK's largest arena for over a decade (O2 now).
Cricket-Lancashire
Velodrome
Swimming Centre
BMX track

It's is almost comical to compare...still never mind..just another poster to add the deluded list!

We've already got form.

http://www.manchester.gov.uk/news/article/4193/manchester_named_worlds_best_city_for_sport

^^ all those sports awards are from the same company.

^^ all those sports awards are from the same company.

Fair point. It's still a decent accolade though.

Can't fault the boy for trying to but it is comical to say Sheffield is even close to Manchester in terms of sport...they have 2/3 small football league clubs...we have 9. Two of which are now amongst the worlds Top 5 in terms of spending power?Yeah but Sheffield is the centre of British climbing, and climbing/mountaineering is the grandest and most magnificent sport in the world. :)

Dont argue with monkey he's a bald, lanky streak of piss from what i remember on the photo thread

Yeah but Sheffield is the centre of British climbing, and climbing/mountaineering is the grandest and most magnificent sport in the world. :)

Speaks a southerner who knows nowt...both Sheffield and Manchester are pretty much equidistant from the Pennine climbing areas...so it essence you are talking out of your blue arse!

Just gonna check on my logging shares, see if the monkey's habitat is now nestling in B&Q.

^ Actually they're a bit closer to Sheffield but that's not my argument. The sour fact remains that Sheffield is the centre of British climbing and mountaineering.

Dont argue with monkey he's a bald, lanky streak of piss from what i remember on the photo threadWell if you think I'm bald then you obviously haven''t seen a picture of me anywhere. :)

You shave your balls.

Actually Sheffield is easier to get out into the Peaks than Manchester. However, Manchester's heritage in the whole Rambling thing (Kinder Scout and all that) is important.

The Manchester Rambler, great song by Ewan Maccoll!

Langur reminds me of Stewie Griffin

Hmm... rambling. ;)

Manchester's best claims to fame in mountaineering are that Joe Brown and Don Whillans hailed from there (though for most of Brown's climbing career he was based in Wales, and he's now retired to Morocco), and that the BMC is based there. The latter is not hugely important. The Alpine Club, with its illustrious history going back to the foundation of the sport, is based in London. Mick Fowler led a circle of climbers that regularly drove up from London to the north of Scotland, a round trip of 1,300 miles, for winter weekends. However that doesn't make London a major centre for contemporary British mountaineering. That centre is Sheffield. Climbers gather in the pubs there and plot their next expeditions. In truth our mountaineering scene is quite dispersed. The Lake District hosts keys meets and is the retirement home for Chris Bonington, now the kindly grandfather figure of the British mountaineering scene. Nick Bullock, Kenton Cool, etc are semi-permanently based out in Chamonix. Scottish universities are breeding grounds for aspiring mountaineers, and Oxford and Cambridge universities have retained some of their traditional role. Then obviously there's the hills themselves. Climbers will often run into one another at key climbing spots in Snowdonia, the Highlands, Stanage Edge, etc. However there's no getting away from the fact that the biggest concentration of elite climbing talent in Britain is based in and around Sheffield.

Not sure what a southern monkey is trying to say here..to be hones..being Britain's climbing capital is not high on my list of accolades Manchester should aspire to.. I will put that in the intray marked.."shit if we are arsed about these things must be dire" alongside:

Manchester: UK's snowboarding centre
Manchester: UK's land speed record capital
Manchester: Uk's Capital of Culture
Manchester: Uk's Garden Festival Capital
Manchester: Uk's etc..

I'll stick with my Beetham, CIS, City Tower, Spinningfields, Old Trafford, Sport City, Ringway, Docks, BBC, Salford Quays, pharmaceutical focus, Trafford Park, National Park boundary stuff....you know the stuff we excel in.

Do let us know when we enter for the World tiddliwink championships though.

^ Manchester is NOT the UK's capital of culture! Mancs have no culture at all. Yours is an oikish philistine city. You have no great orchestras, no serious ballet or opera, your theatre scene is, erm, provincial, and your art galleries and exhibitions are not worth bothering with. All of those things are overwhelmingly based in London which is arguably the greatest centre in the world.

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I just love that Lowry picture, so freaky, haunting disturbing looking and adept for this article.Yes these pictures capture Manchester's soul. If ever you hear Mancs banging on about their city's "soul", these are the images they conjure. Industrial Manchester was a kind of hell hole. The chimneys, furnaces, belching smoke, etc, quite literally resemble my image of hell. It's the stuff of nightmares. The beaten down man with his bloodshot eyes is one of the damned.

Manchester = hell

Manchester's got more Caffe Nero's than Sheffield.

nice pic of Oldham there.

Manchester's got more Caffe Nero's than Sheffield.

nice pic of Oldham there.

Also more than Leeds and Birmingham it seems! Is it the Caffe Nero capital of the UK, or would somebody else like to put their city forward? (PS London doesn't count as it's biiiig).

Yes these pictures capture Manchester's soul. If ever you hear Mancs banging on about their city's "soul", these are the images they conjure. Industrial Manchester was a kind of hell hole. The chimneys, furnaces, belching smoke, etc, quite literally resemble my image of hell. It's the stuff of nightmares. The beaten down man with his bloodshot eyes is one of the damned.

Manchester = hell

Er, remind Monkey which city had 3000 deaths due to it's air...imposing the Clean Air Act on the rest of the uk and thus stopping a crofter from lighting his fire incase you choked to death.

What a strange creature you are to introduce smoke into you arguement, again.

I think 50million UK citizens would rather be oiks than a Londoner! Perhaps the only city in the world not to reflect it's countries people!

^ Manchester is NOT the UK's capital of culture! Mancs have no culture at all. Yours is an oikish philistine city. You have no great orchestras, no serious ballet or opera, your theatre scene is, erm, provincial, and your art galleries and exhibitions are not worth bothering with. All of those things are overwhelmingly based in London which is arguably the greatest centre in the world.

Like London Manc has an arrogance about it, but uses it's unique northern attributes such as it's industrial heritage, music scene, comedy, corrie, even crime to get more attention make it more prosperous.

Monkey-4949 posts about Manchester and counting...do you think he is some kind of spam BOT, patrolling the net for `Manchester'..he like the robot from Blade Runner..somewhat fixated on one thing..time for re-boot or preferably a bout of simian flu.

Monkey is our angle grinder?

Sharpening our razor like reponses to all things shite, spouted about Manchester from mainly the Tykes and Scousers...jealous sods!

On a lighter note...Glasgow/Brum are nice people, not attacked or attacking...enjoying cordial relations with us Manchester folk...funny how a people really do represent their city.

Perhaps the only city in the world not to reflect it's countries people!

See New York.

Er, remind Monkey which city had 3000 deaths due to it's air...imposing the Clean Air Act on the rest of the uk and thus stopping a crofter from lighting his fire incase you choked to death.

What a strange creature you are to introduce smoke into you arguement, again.

I think 50million UK citizens would rather be oiks than a Londoner! Perhaps the only city in the world not to reflect it's countries people!

stop talking bollocks you manc numpty!:bash:

Not sure what a southern monkey is trying to say here..to be hones..being Britain's climbing capital is not high on my list of accolades Manchester should aspire to.. I will put that in the intray marked.."shit if we are arsed about these things must be dire" alongside:

Manchester: UK's snowboarding centre
Manchester: UK's land speed record capital
Manchester: Uk's Capital of Culture
Manchester: Uk's Garden Festival Capital
Manchester: Uk's etc..

I'll stick with my Beetham, CIS, City Tower, Spinningfields, Old Trafford, Sport City, Ringway, Docks, BBC, Salford Quays, pharmaceutical focus, Trafford Park, National Park boundary stuff....you know the stuff we excel in.

Do let us know when we enter for the World tiddliwink championships though.

Whilst I am defending Manchester on all fronts here, I have to disagree with the Snowboarding one. Thats most likely Milton Keynes. Even Tamworth had a Snowdome before Manchester got its Chill Factor E

Sorry to make it clear...I was using examples of honours we have not been accredited with...it was ironic.

Still, if we can compete on stuff not entered for then even better!

Milton Keynes is our new challenger! Still, I don't think any city in England is within 30miles of an outdoor ski slope? Manchester is!

Not sure what a southern monkey is trying to say here..to be hones..being Britain's climbing capital is not high on my list of accolades Manchester should aspire to.. I will put that in the intray marked.."shit if we are arsed about these things must be dire" alongside:

Manchester: UK's snowboarding centre
Manchester: UK's land speed record capital
Manchester: Uk's Capital of Culture
Manchester: Uk's Garden Festival Capital
Manchester: Uk's etc..

I'll stick with my Beetham, CIS, City Tower, Spinningfields, Old Trafford, Sport City, Ringway, Docks, BBC, Salford Quays, pharmaceutical focus, Trafford Park, National Park boundary stuff....you know the stuff we excel in.

Do let us know when we enter for the World tiddliwink championships though.

Hey don't steal that title off Coventry! We haven't got much to shout about but I would say we are not just the UK's but the World's land speed record capital.
Here's the current world land speed record holder Thrust SSC seen here in the Coventry Transport Museum

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/ThrustSSC.jpg/800px-ThrustSSC.jpg

and here's the previous land speed record holder Thrust 2 also in the Coventry Transport Museum

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Thrust2.jpg/800px-Thrust2.jpg

Thing's might be dire but it is something to be proud of anyway.:banana:

Milton Keynes is our new challenger! Still, I don't think any city in England is within 30miles of an outdoor ski slope? Manchester is!

Don't you mean indoor ski slope? Anyway, I'm pretty sure there's an outdoor ski slope right next door to Sheffield City Centre.

Can't fault the boy for trying to but it is comical to say Sheffield is even close to Manchester in terms of sport...they have 2/3 small football league clubs...we have 9. Two of which are now amongst the worlds Top 5 in terms of spending power?

MEN- UK's largest arena for over a decade (O2 now).
Cricket-Lancashire
Velodrome
Swimming Centre
BMX track

It's is almost comical to compare...still never mind..just another poster to add the deluded list!

Comical!I think it comical to suggest we are not!or maybe it`s arrogance on mancs part!The arrogance from some Mancs astounds me sometimes!

Don Vally Stadium- Largest athletics stadium in the UK.
Ponds Forge- Plays host to national swimming championships & has the deepest diving pool in Europe
Ice Sheffield-two Olympic-size ice rinks
English institute for sport -Largest multi sport English Institute of Sport facility in the country.
The Climbing Works- The worlds biggest indoor bouldering wall.
Sheffield Ski Village-Europe's largest artificial ski resort

It's not only about the venues, it's about organization and staging events properly.

The only blip on that record was the UEFA Cup Final, when Rangers decided to trash as much of the city centre as possible and have a fight with GMP. Admitedly it was only a minority, running into hundreds, maybe thousands?

Manchester's got more Caffe Nero's than Milton Keynes

Don't you mean indoor ski slope? Anyway, I'm pretty sure there's an outdoor ski slope right next door to Sheffield City Centre.

And an indoor one in both Leeds & Glasgow. Bottom line; there are many places that come above Manchester on that front.

I'll stick with my Beetham, CIS, City Tower, Spinningfields, Old Trafford, Sport City, Ringway, Docks, BBC, Salford Quays, pharmaceutical focus, Trafford Park, National Park boundary stuff....you know the stuff we excel in.





Since when did Manchester excel in docks ? :shifty:

It's not only about the venues, it's about organization and staging events properly.

The only blip on that record was the UEFA Cup Final, when Rangers decided to trash as much of the city centre as possible and have a fight with GMP. Admitedly it was only a minority, running into hundreds, maybe thousands?

We have had plenty of big events and been able able to stage them pretty well,these included-

Sports Personality of the year awards
Bollywod film awards
World Snooker every year
UK swimming championships
Big Athletics events
Big concerts..........

And obviously we hosted the World Student Games in 1991, and Hillsborough hosted Euro `96 games too.

And an indoor one in both Leeds & Glasgow. Bottom line; there are many places that come above Manchester on that front.

You mean Castleford?the Leeds metro area then!

I have been through Leeds but have heard that it is a great place to shop and has a lot of history. I have not stopped there though but might do next time I am up that way.

I have been through Leeds but have heard that it is a great place to shop and has a lot of history. I have not stopped there though but might do next time I am up that way.

Excellent! Fantastic mate! You go for it! Get messy!

Nice one!

Excellent! Fantastic mate! You go for it! Get messy!

Nice one!

Do you think Leeds is messy then?

Since when did Manchester excel in docks ? :shifty:

Compared with Sheffield and Leeds?

Otherwise was at one stage No4 in UK ;)

And an indoor one in both Leeds & Glasgow. Bottom line; there are many places that come above Manchester on that front.

No outdoor.

Rossendale.

Docks? Does Portsmouth count here? We have loads, just most of them are non-commercial ones. The Navy and all that.

The largest Basin...
http://www.star-uk.net/hoob/images/HMNB.jpg

Indoor ski slopes are ten a penny .... even Tamworth's got one, 10 miles North of Birmingham .... so could be considered Birmingham's Ski Centre?!

Tamworth Snowdome

http://www.skirebel.com/magazine/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/TamworthSnowDome.jpg http://skiunion.mpora.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/brommmm.jpg
http://tamworthlimohire.co.uk/tamworth-night-out.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2564/3726950971_40b9682863.jpghttp://www.aboutbritain.com/images/attraction/snowdome-E609-1067.jpg

So ... if Tamworth's got an indoor ski centre ... what's the big deal, eh?!?! :lol:

Awww Tamworth! Thats where I learned to board :D

I learned to ski there when I was 10. First time I went down from the top I couldn't stop and plowed straight into the wall at the bottom :cry:

My mum burst out laughing at me.

London as a city sucks ass. Its success in the psyche has been based on an international myth in that it wholly incorporates Britishness, but when it boils down, it's essentially just a facade, a front with an empty core. I feel disappointment. Disappointment in its soulless waterfront, empty highbrow streets, massings of brown lo-scrapers, its filth, its traffic, its hype.

It's tripe.

You mean Castleford?the Leeds metro area then!

Well the Fly WAS boasting about ski slopes within 30 miles... Castleford's a stone's throw away really!

He also mentioned 9 league football teams in the "city".

Some prat on Corrie (David Platt's mate) was helping get signatures on a petition and said he was after the 2.5 million in Manchester!! Dream on.

Indoor ski slopes are ten a penny .... even Tamworth's got one, 10 miles North of Birmingham .... so could be considered Birmingham's Ski Centre?!

Tamworth Snowdome

http://www.skirebel.com/magazine/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/TamworthSnowDome.jpg http://skiunion.mpora.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/brommmm.jpg
http://tamworthlimohire.co.uk/tamworth-night-out.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2564/3726950971_40b9682863.jpghttp://www.aboutbritain.com/images/attraction/snowdome-E609-1067.jpg

So ... if Tamworth's got an indoor ski centre ... what's the big deal, eh?!?! :lol:
That ski slope looks very small

Sheffield is the UK centre for rock climbing, whereas Manchester is better if you want to be a football hooligan or couch potato and simply watch other people playing football. That could be why Manchester has overtaken Glasgow as Britain's fattest city. :)

Cycling seems to be big in Manchester ,not only a world class velodrome with athletes like Chris Hoy living there too but the city seems to have lots of cyclist commuting around the city centre, those courier types on fixed gears are bloody annoying though !

He also mentioned 9 league football teams in the "city".

Some prat on Corrie (David Platt's mate) was helping get signatures on a petition and said he was after the 2.5 million in Manchester!! Dream on.
NOT AIMED AT MORESTOREY-just generally

Why?

What is it with you people?

Stockport is part of Manchester....it is the generic term for the conurbation....forget what it was like 150 years ago...move forward....

The ring road, the airport, the road infrastructure, the rail commuter network, the regional facilities, such as the Trafford Centre define a city. Not some archaic weirdly British clap trap about Bolton being this and that.....otherwise...why stop there?

By this fantastically stupid logic...we should result to defining Manchester by it's Roman fort boundaries....it is monumentally, farcically stupid to consider Manchester as anything other than the conurbation as a whole.

It has developed.

Stupid, little weird trolls think Wolverhampton is some separate entity from Brum...do they think their tram starts in Wolves town centre? No it ends there.

Wirral is Liverpool.
Crawley is London.

That ski slope looks very small

The slope goes round the corner at the top, so you can't see all of it in those images. Yes, you're right it isn't huge .... 170 metre main slope (about as long as Beetham Manchester is tall) ... plus two teaching slopes of 30 metres & 25 metres. Snowdome is great for beginners .... and if you find out skiing isn't your 'thing', then you haven't had to waste £ thousands on getting to Val d'Isere! :)

NOT AIMED AT MORESTOREY-just generally

Why?

What is it with you people?

Stockport is part of Manchester....it is the generic term for the conurbation....forget what it was like 150 years ago...move forward....

The ring road, the airport, the road infrastructure, the rail commuter network, the regional facilities, such as the Trafford Centre define a city. Not some archaic weirdly British clap trap about Bolton being this and that.....otherwise...why stop there?

By this fantastically stupid logic...we should result to defining Manchester by it's Roman fort boundaries....it is monumentally, farcically stupid to consider Manchester as anything other than the conurbation as a whole.

It has developed.

Stupid, little weird trolls think Wolverhampton is some separate entity from Brum...do they think their tram starts in Wolves town centre? No it ends there.

Wirral is Liverpool.
Crawley is London.

To people far away, yes Wolverhampton they see as Birmingham and likewise Bolton as part of Manchester, Missisauga as part of Toronto ..... but to the locals 'on the ground' so to speak, they have their own identity. Manchester isn't Bolton and Bolton isn't Manchester, they are individual towns within a conurbation.

I have family & friends in Altrincham, Sale & Stockport ... and most of them still use the name "CHESHIRE" as their address, even younger people .... shock horror! I can see where they are coming from though, because as you leave Manchester 'proper' and cross the M60, the whole feel of the place changes, and you don't actually feel like you are still in Manchester any more ... the M60 acts as a physical and psychological divide to people, in much the same way the M5 through Birmingham separates Birmingham from West Bromwich, Dudley & Wolverhampton.

I don't know anyone who puts, for example; 53, Curzon Road, Sale, Greater Manchester, M33 7QQ .... they just write 53, Curzon Road, Sale, M33 7QQ ... in my experience any way ..... and some even write; Sale, Cheshire! :)

Only people who want to be something they're not, or striving to be (i.e. posh) put Cheshire!

I now live in Stalybridge, which was in the old county of Cheshire, but now officially in Greater Manchester and I refuse to put Cheshire on my address!

Just put a postcode, or the town name like one of the examples above, Greater Manchester is too long winded to write, but even though it's not on a letter doesn't mean they're not still part of it!

To people far away, they see Missisauga as part of Toronto ..... But they are, non-the-less, wrong. Mississauga is a totally separate, political and administrative entity. Mississauga has its own transit system, police force (Peel Regional) fire department, parks and recreation, waste disposal service, mayor, councillors , etc. Mississauga also neighbours on Brampton and Oakville as well as Toronto. Yes, they are all considered as part of the GTA but all are separate political administrative entities.

You can't seriously be suggesting that everywhere in the Greater Manchester metropolitan county is actually Manchester itself?

Postal counties aren't in use anymore anyway so I wouldn't worry yourself over the indignity of possibly being in Cheshire! It's worth noting though that although the historic counties don't exist as legal entities anymore, it doesn't really change geography or identity (the government allegedly made noises to this effect as a sweetener to the controversy the re-organisations caused at the time) and so if people identify with the historic counties, so be it.

To be honest, I don't know why any of them still use historic county names, especially those that bear little resemblance to the historic county (like Lancashire for instance ;)).

But they are, non-the-less, wrong. Mississauga is a totally separate, political and administrative entity. Mississauga has its own transit system, police force (Peel Regional) fire department, parks and recreation, waste disposal service, mayor, councillors , etc. Mississauga also neighbours on Brampton and Oakville as well as Toronto. Yes, they are all considered as part of the GTA but all are separate political administrative entities.

You are in fact agreeing with me .... Mississauga is part of the Greater Toronto area, but has it's own identity.

Mississauga (pronounced /ˌmɪsɨˈsɑːɡə/ ( listen)), incorporated in 1974, is a city in Southern Ontario located in the Regional Municipality of Peel, and in the western part of the Greater Toronto Area......

http://www.google.co.uk/mapdata?CxWUFZoCHV27RPsg____________AQwtlBWaAjVdu0T7QI4CSLkBUgJDQZABCMoBAmVu

It is practically joined on to Toronto, and when I went on business to Mississauga, when people asked me where I was going I simply replied "Toronto" to stop any blank looks! The same would be the other way round .... a businessman from Canada or elsewhere around the World would more than likely say he was working in Manchester, when actually, more specifically, he may mean Wigan or Oldham, for example :)

To people far away, yes Wolverhampton they see as Birmingham and likewise Bolton as part of Manchester, Missisauga as part of Toronto ..... but to the locals 'on the ground' so to speak, they have their own identity. Manchester isn't Bolton and Bolton isn't Manchester, they are individual towns within a conurbation.

I have family & friends in Altrincham, Sale & Stockport ... and most of them still use the name "CHESHIRE" as their address, even younger people .... shock horror! I can see where they are coming from though, because as you leave Manchester 'proper' and cross the M60, the whole feel of the place changes, and you don't actually feel like you are still in Manchester any more ... the M60 acts as a physical and psychological divide to people, in much the same way the M5 through Birmingham separates Birmingham from West Bromwich, Dudley & Wolverhampton.

I don't know anyone who puts, for example; 53, Curzon Road, Sale, Greater Manchester, M33 7QQ .... they just write 53, Curzon Road, Sale, M33 7QQ ... in my experience any way ..... and some even write; Sale, Cheshire! :)

Bollocks Sandbalst.

The consensus is that parts of Cheshire (sale, alty etc) are part of Manchester. It goes to show how fucked up the system is.

Also to say Altricnham doesnt feel part of Manchester, is bollocks! I lived there for years. Its' called a suburb so of course the enviroment is going deviate from that of inner city area. I live in Stretford bordering the M60, Sale is jsut down the road and then Altrincham, mentally I feel no different when ever I pass through either of them.

Also, I use Trafford, Manchester on my current address, but back in in Altrincham I would use Trafford, Cheshire :lol:

Jesus! Not this old f***ing chestnut again. :bash:

You lot make me piss on here.

This district isn't part of Manchester. That district isn't part of Manchester. And so on.

In that case tell me this.


When Salford(not part of Manchester according to you lot) won the BBC relocation North(sorry was given it), why were most of you moaning about 'Manchester' getting another Government handout?

You can't have it both ways lads. Either stick to Manchester as a whole or quote the different districts within Greater Manchester. Simple.

PS.

I live in Stockport. Obviously I support City. Even more obviously I'm from Manchester. I'll give you that answer any time you ask me.

Bollocks Sandbalst.

The consensus is that parts of Cheshire (sale, alty etc) are part of Manchester. It goes to show how fucked up the system is.

Also to say Altricnham doesnt feel part of Manchester, is bollocks! I lived there for years. Its' called a suburb so of course the enviroment is going deviate from that of inner city area. I live in Stretford bordering the M60, Sale is jsut down the road and then Altrincham, mentally I feel no different when ever I pass through either of them.

Business? You mean you're not a schoolkid with endless time on his hands to post photo montages?! I despair! :p

"Take your basic city right?"
"yeah, ok i have my city"
"Stick on some inner city,,,"
"yeah, inner city ok"
"now sort out your outer suburbs, stick them on."
"ok, my burbs are now sorted,"
"Good stuff, happy?"
"erm, it's ok. What about these little towns outside"
"Well they're bland little towns, you don't really need them"
"but if my city's suburbs touch those towns suburbs, I can pretend they're part of my city right?"
"what's wrong with the commuter towns? Then there's countryside seperating the two and they'll look much nicer."
"I want big though"
" But your city will look like a little city with lots of bland shit stuck on it"
"but it'll make it look big"
"yeah, but only on paper, if you visit you'll see it's spread out and dull as dishwater."
"but I can pretend its this big massive city"
"why?"
"mines bigger than yours."
"what happens when people visit though?"
"you smell of cabbage."

;)

"Take you basic city right?"
"yeah, ok i have my city"
"Stick on some inner city,,,"
"yeah, inner city ok"
"now sort out your outer suburbs, stick them on."
"ok, my burbs are now sorted,"
"Good stuff, happy?"
"erm, it's ok. What about these little towns outside"
"Well they're bland little towns, you don't really need them"
"but if my city's suburbs touch those towns suburbs, I can pretend they're part of my city right?"
"what's wrong with the commuter towns? Then there's countryside seperating the two and they'll look much nicer."
"I want big though"
" But your city will look like a little city with lots of bland shit stuck on it"
"but it'll make it look big"
"yeah, but only on paper, if you visit you'll see it's spread out and dull as dishwater."
"but I can pretend its this big massive city"
"why?"
"mines bigger than yours."
"what happens when people visit though?"
"you smell of cabbage."

:applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause::applause:

Business? You mean you're not a schoolkid with endless time on his hands to post photo montages?! I despair! :p

What on earth are you talking about?

What on earth are you talking about?

Sorry, quoted the wrong person... it's been a long day!

Jesus! Not this old f***ing chestnut again. :bash:

You lot make me piss on here.

This district isn't part of Manchester. That district isn't part of Manchester. And so on.

In that case tell me this.


When Salford(not part of Manchester according to you lot) won the BBC relocation North(sorry was given it), why were most of you moaning about 'Manchester' getting another Government handout?

You can't have it both ways lads. Either stick to Manchester as a whole or quote the different districts within Greater Manchester. Simple.Exactly. As Isaac-the-hair-splitter pointed out, this photo of classical Mancunian chimneys belching smoke, is of Oldham:

http://cache2.asset-cache.net/xc/JK4824-001.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=2AC75F6FAA20674CD8B22EB25F6AEC55E9538923FA701DD049207362A3F24453

But clearly Oldham is very much part of Greater Manchester, part of "Cottonopolis". I'm with you jrb. :okay:

Sorry, quoted the wrong person... it's been a long day!

I see :nuts:

You can't seriously be suggesting that everywhere in the Greater Manchester metropolitan county is actually Manchester itself?



But in relation to Old Trafford, City of Manchester Stadium, MEN arena, Trafford Centre, Arndale, Chill E Factor. Manchester Airport, Salford Quays, Trafford Park, The Lowry Centre, M60 orbital motorway, commuter rail-lines, the road network, the canal network, Metrolink now and after big bang...etc ....etc...


Which of those is in Manchester, which is not part of Manchester, which is solely due to being in Manchester, which is in a separate city.

It is all Manchester by any sane (not in this forum!) person's measure and certainly for anyone outside the UK.

To declare otherwise merely confirms you have joined the monkey already posting!?

I live outside Oldham on semi-rural. I was however born in Manchester, gradually moving further out over the years. I have an Oldham postcode but being two stops on the train from Manchester and not identifying or living near Oldham town centre in any shape or form, my address is Oldham, Manchester.

It should read, Oldham, Greater Manchester. Big difference

And as I've said on these threads time and time again.....the Birmingham & Black country metropolis has more of a right than Greater Manchester to claim that neighbouring boroughs as part of the "city" based on the better urban continuity. Solihull to Wolverhampton is a long drawn out trip through miles of built up suburbs while you cannot claim the same about Stockport to Wigan. That's my beef Fly! I know the GM conurbation has built up areas but to claim Wigan Athletic as one of your "own" teams because it is in the same county is clutching at straws.

You are in fact agreeing with me .... Mississauga is part of the Greater Toronto area, but has it's own identity.Not really agreeing with you. Mississauga (pronounced as a proper name as in Mrs. Sorgah) is, as you say, abutting Toronto's west end but how about Pickering to the east and Barrie to the north or Georgetown/Acton (Halton Hills) to the west all more than one hours drive from Toronto but are all in what is termed the GTA. I live less than a one hour drive from Detroit, MI., so, by your criteria, I live in the GDA, even though I live in a different country to the one Detroit is located in.:dunno:

And as I've said on these threads time and time again.....the Birmingham & Black country metropolis has more of a right than Greater Manchester to claim that neighbouring boroughs as part of the "city" based on the better urban continuity. Solihull to Wolverhampton is a long drawn out trip through miles of built up suburbs while you cannot claim the same about Stockport to Wigan. That's my beef Fly! I know the GM conurbation has built up areas but to claim Wigan Athletic as one of your "own" teams because it is in the same county is clutching at straws.

Ok, then 8 teams...does it matter....I could care not less one more iota that this small meaningless town called Manchester is wiping the floor with other regional centres:

Largest Office market outside of London
Tallest building outside of London (not tower Pompey/Emley Moor boys)
Tallest 2 office only buildings outside London (CIS, City Tower)
Biggest football stadium
Best attended arena
Largest airport by factor of x2
Largest media presence
etc etc


Keep Wigan, Bolton, Stockport, Altrincham, Ashton, Salford, Oldham, Bolton, Bury, Rochdale...your call...Manchester is still topping the polls on anything that matters!

And as I've said on these threads time and time again.....the Birmingham & Black country metropolis has more of a right than Greater Manchester to claim that neighbouring boroughs as part of the "city" based on the better urban continuity. Solihull to Wolverhampton is a long drawn out trip through miles of built up suburbs while you cannot claim the same about Stockport to Wigan. That's my beef Fly! I know the GM conurbation has built up areas but to claim Wigan Athletic as one of your "own" teams because it is in the same county is clutching at straws.That's true, but clearly Oldham is very much part of Greater Manchester, part of "Cottonopolis". It was an entire metropolis of nightmarish fugly mill towns belching smoke, with clusters of slums, soot, and chimneys sprawled for miles and miles! Ditto Wigan. That's why a couple of pages back I celebrated Chelski's 8:0 thrashing of Wigan as the crushing of another Mancunian team (along with their defeat of Man Utd for the title, and Tottenham's beating of Man City for the top four place). :)

That's true, but clearly Oldham is very much part of Greater Manchester, part of "Cottonopolis". It was an entire metropolis of nightmarish fugly mill towns belching smoke, with clusters of slums, soot, and chimneys sprawled for miles and miles! Ditto Wigan. That's why a couple of pages back I celebrated Chelski's 8:0 thrashing of Wigan as the crushing of another Mancunian team (along with their defeat of Man Utd for the title, and Tottenham's beating of Man City for the top four place). :)

I thought you'd said before you didn't like football as it was 'northern'!?

I thought you'd said before you didn't like football as it was 'northern'!?No. I dislike the way it's the extent of cultural life in the North. It assumes far too great an importance there. As a sport it's middling. I will watch the World Cup and maybe the Champion's League final this weekend. Good passages of play are genuinely exciting. However I prefer tennis, rugby, and mountaineering. :)

No. I dislike the way it's the extent of cultural life in the North. It assumes far too great an importance there. As a sport it's middling. I will watch the World Cup and maybe the Champion's League final this weekend. Good passages of play are genuinely exciting. However I prefer tennis, rugby, and mountaineering. :)

Ahh the great London culture myth!

Monkey whiles away his days cupping latte in all the museums, theatres and art galleries London has to offer!

Alternatively, he like the rest of us does not go, as 99% of visitors are either aged 70 or visiting the country.

One can tell by his postings that he has about as much culture as Rab C.

I thought football started in the south....then the Midlands and North made it professional ie. organized and marketed!

Ahh the great London culture myth!

Monkey whiles away his days cupping latte in all the museums, theatres and art galleries London has to offer!

Alternatively, he like the rest of us does not go, as 99% of visitors are either aged 70 or visiting the country.

One can tell by his postings that he has about as much culture as Rab C.Yawn... 99% of you have no cultural life. Over 70 is the typical age in your 3rd-rate theatres and galleries. "Cupping latte" is the height of sophistication in your neck of the woods (down here it's a breakfast substitute or caffeine fuel for office workers - yeah we have jobs down here ;) ). Here in London the theatres and galleries are full of students. I know because unlike you I go. To us culture is not an act but a habit. It's as normal for us as watching the footy is for you.

http://www.tmwmtt.com/blog-extreme-groundhopping/2008/2008-06-03LowryGoingToTheMatch.jpg http://www.pamalam.co.uk/MUSIC/L%20S%20Lowry/Lowry_HiddenManRedEyes.jpg

No. I dislike the way it's the extent of cultural life in the North. It assumes far too great an importance there. As a sport it's middling. I will watch the World Cup and maybe the Champion's League final this weekend. Good passages of play are genuinely exciting. However I prefer tennis, rugby, and mountaineering. :)

Youve never seen green street then?

However I prefer....mountaineering. :)

You won't find any mountains, or indeed substantial hills near London, so sounds like you have to get out of London to start 'living' too! (Just a nod to your Foster comment in the 'Overrated Buildings' thread) ;)

Youve never seen green street then?

Or the Football Factory?

Danny Dyer = Stereotypical London 'gangster' :lol:

I thought football started in the south....then the Midlands and North made it professional ie. organized and marketed!

Worlds oldest football club Sheffield FC, Hallam FC have the worlds oldest ground, so not quite what you thought.

Or the Football Factory?

Danny Dyer = Stereotypical London 'gangster' :lol:

What about three London teams finnishing in the top four this season? :)

Worlds oldest football club Sheffield FC, Hallam FC have the worlds oldest ground, so not quite what you thought.

Sheffield FC are the oldest club still in existence - big difference.

Worlds oldest football club Sheffield FC, Hallam FC have the worlds oldest ground, so not quite what you thought.

To be fair a quick look on wiki vindicates exactly what morestoreys was saying

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldest_football_clubs