Indeed, it's worse than Gotham here, constantly dodging rapists, murderers and thieves. Where's our batman?

Shaun Ryder?!

Well at least Leeds wasn't 'voted the second-most unattractive city' in Europe, Birmingham was lucky enough to win that award.

Which city came worst than Birmingham?

Which city came worst than Birmingham?

warsaw

warsaw

and that alone shows you the whole thing was obviously a pile of shit.

Yeah, Warsaw must be bad to have beaten Birmingham.

On the opposite side of the coin from city bashing……I thought Nottingham was going to be shit (not sure why) but when I went there I really liked it.

I thought Newcastle was a wow factor for me. When i went i was not really expecting anything really. The place looks really good on the water front and the centre was steeped in history, lovely pleasent surprise.

I thought Newcastle was a wow factor for me. When i went i was not really expecting anything really. The place looks really good on the water front and the centre was steeped in history, lovely pleasent surprise.

What exactly has Manchester done today that London will do tomorrow?? Elected Mayors? trams? cycle rental schemes? hosting the BBC? Quite a bold statement to make in a signature! :lol:

What exactly has Manchester done today that London will do tomorrow?? Elected Mayors? trams? cycle rental schemes? hosting the BBC? Quite a bold statement to make in a signature! :lol:

No, none of the above.

Unless you mean re-introduce trams to a British City (Apologies to Beamish/Blackpool)
Apply for and host a Global Sporting event (London was given in previosuly becuase everywhere else was flattened?)
National Indoor Cycle Arena

Nothing mega but you did ask.

When the other UK locations chip in the real question is what has London done? London soaks up the talent and skills that were already there?

London is the `Made in Taiwan' for UK PLC ! ;)

Ah yes, my mistake on the trams... for some nutty reason forgot how old Metrolink is. Should probably have said 'had a major mass transit system' or something...

Are street rental bikes a relatively recent thing in London then? Don't know about other places but there were bikes for hire on the streets on Manchester 2/3 years ago.

But i agree, it's a meaningless phrase these days.

O Manchester, Manchester, wherefore art thou Manchester?
What's in a name? That which we call a sewer
By any other word would smell as shit;
So Manchester would, were it not Manchester call'd,
Retain that vile repulsion.... :)

Is this guy for real.Sort your act out Langur,your on in a bit

Brumhole = botswana

Birmingham is not perfect and indeed it has many problems to face over the coming years but still doesnt hide the fact that is has more to offer than Leeds. Below is the reason why.

1: BRB (Birmingham Royal Ballet) Sorry wiggles

2: Birmingham Symphony Orchestra

3: Birmingham Symphony Hall

4: Birmingham Hippodrome theatre (Busiest outside London)

5: International Convention centre

6: National Indoor Arena

7: LG Arena and NEC (National Exhibition centre) Leeds hasnt got one:lol:

8: Midland Metro (Only one line but Leeds hasnt got one) :lol:

9: Birmingham International Airport (We dont have to call ours Birmingham Solihull Airport or Birmingham Coventry Airport) unlike Leeds Bradford :lol:

10: 2 Premier league football teams, nearly Three (Leeds hasnt got one)

11: Redevelopmet of Edgbaston( upto 25,000 capacity)

12: We have a taller tower than Leeds

13: Loads of festivals to celebrate citys culture (Artfest, Birmingham Carnival, St Patricks day parade, Birmingham Pride, Big Christmas markets)

14: More tourists than Leeds

15: More high profile events have taken place in Birmingham over the years, ie G8 Summit, Eurovison song contest, EU meeting and today we have the President of Pakistan in Birmingham giving a speech at the ICC)

16: Birmingham has a very big Legal/financial centre and is one of the biggest in the country, we are also the headquarters of the Islamic bank of Great Britain and also have Deutche Bank in the city.

17 Birchfield Harriers (Successfull Athletics team based in Birmingham)

18: Very good nightlife, commercial and alternative scene (Gatecrasher Birmingham is better than Gatecrasher Leeds)

19: Birmingham has connections and important links to lots of cities across the globe, our sister city in Europe is Frankfurt.

20: Birmingham has 3 mitchellin restaurants

21: Birmingham Repetory theatre (sorry wiggles)

22: Birmingham Balti (yum yum)

23: Birmingham second only to London in European cities monitor in 2010, overtaking Manchester.

24: Birmingham has higher profile than Leeds

25: Birmingham has a better skyline with mix of old and new

26: Birmingham is a great city to live in.


I could go on but i wont :cheers:

Oh sorry.

Birmingham has 3 Universities with the University of Birmingham being one of the best in the country.

Leeds. One of Europe's top cities for business
Cushman & Wakefield European Cities Monitor

Leeds. The UK's most important legal centre outside London
UK Legal 500

Leeds. The most cost effective place to study in Britain
RBS Student Living Index

Leeds. One of the UK's top cities for restaurants
Which? Good Food Guide

Leeds. More public green space per child than any other city in the UK
The Children's Society

Leeds. The UK's most female friendly city
Future Laboratories 'Tigra Town' Research

Leeds. The UK's best shopping destination
Rough Guide to Britain

Leeds. The UK's leading centre for business and financial services outside London
ONS Annual Business Inquiry

Leeds. One of the top three UK cities for business outside London
Cushman&Wakefield UK Cities Monitor

Leeds. The best university destination
The Independent

Leeds. Visitor city of the year
The Good Britain Guide

Leeds. The best place in Britain to live
Henley Management College 'Urban Behaviours' study

Alot of repeat stuff there Little troll for Leeds.

Alot of Leeds is supposed to be best for this Legal thingy and that Business thingy we think survey.

To alot of people in this country, who gives a shit

The UKs most female friendly city, LOL LOL LOL are you having a laugh, that is really really funny, ha ha he he

Birmingham is also one of Europes top business cities, being higher up in the league than Leeds. :cheers:

Im gonna be fair now as im that kind of person and i will give cridt where it is due and this is where Leeds is much much better than Brum.




RUGBY :banana:

Nice one Leeds, you do actually have 1 thing you do better than Birmingham.

We have a taller tower than Leeds

Are you American? It's like me saying people from Leeds have a bigger penis than people from Birmingham.. :lol:

Its one thing that Birmingham excels in, whats wrong with that????

Tell me though, out of that list, which thing does not have any substance?????

Does Leeds with its big "financial" city status have direct flights from its "international" airport to the financial big boys of New York????? No.
Leeds Bradford does not even have direct flights to Frankfurt, europes big financial city.

Yet again you can fly from Manchester down the road, but yet again so can we, Manchester airport is only 1 hour from Brum.

Its one thing that Birmingham excels in, whats wrong with that????

Are you for real....? :lol: Apart from ugly BT tower Hct is only 7 metres taller than BWP hardly a noticeable amount ...

http://i840.photobucket.com/albums/zz325/melfiire/4733166835_18c0f6e6e1_z.jpg

115metres BWP

121.9metres HCT

Can you not count, thats nearly 7 whole metres taller than BWP :)

115metres BWP

121.9metres HCT

Can you not count, thats nearly 7 whole metres taller than BWP :)

Omg 7 really! or im wrong then HCT is huge :nuts:

And with our "ugly" BT Tower at 152 metres and which looks fantastic at night with its red warning lights on the top, looks the business m8

Didnt say it was huge, Urrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh (putting words into my mouth)

What i said is that Birmingham has a taller tower and i didnt even mention BT tower at 152 metres, ugly or not.

You are insane

Don't talk shit its hideous its more postwar crap to add to the brumhole collection..

And we have a taller tower proposal at 201metres compared to 171metres for Leeds.

Wow impressive :nuts: anyway i've had enough of this childish shit...

And Emirates (a first class airline) have 2 daily flights on Boeing 777s to that other mega city of Dubai from Birmingham international airport and have just opened a dedicated lounge at the airport.

What does Leeds Bradford have???? A trolley for Jet2 shitways if your lucky, lol

Thought you would, little Leeds troll.

Run away

Yeah, i'm getting bored of talking about dirty Brumhole now lol with its third world skyline.

Third world city

http://beelineltd.co.ke/images/skyline3.jpg

Brumhole,England

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/16/Birmingham_-skyline_-UK-2006.jpg

Not much between you both :lol:

Yeah im kinda bored too talking about Leeds being a shit city for its size, lol

It really should be doing much better.

Long live Birmingham and all who sail in her.

XX

And Americans love us as we have a Birmingham in the United states also.

We even have a ship named after Brum.

HMS BIRMINGHAM

I think you need to look at the photo i just posted above and look at Brumhole... & to think Brumhole is the secound largest city in the UK after London but yet lags behind places like Manchester,liverpool and even Leeds.... even portsmouth manages to get a cleaner skyline than Brumhole... i think you will find its Brumhole whats preforming terribly for it's size.

Even Yorkshire boy has had enough of you, hes telling us in the Birmingham forum as sick and tired of you.

Nuke it :lol:

Birmingham has a quality skyline m8, much better than Leeds and Manchester but not as good in some parts as Liverpool, yes thats right its not as good as Liverpool, becouse unlike you little leeds troll, i will admit when a city is better than mine at some things.
You on the other hand live in a little Leeds troll box and doesnt appreciate anything other than with Leeds name on it.

Leeds is bigger than Manchester m8 but still lags behind it, LOL

Birmingham has a quality skyline m8, much better than Leeds and Manchester but not as good in some parts as Liverpool, yes thats right its not as good as Liverpool, becouse unlike you little leeds troll, i will admit when a city is better than mine at some things.
You on the other hand live in a little Leeds troll box and doesnt appreciate anything other than with Leeds name on it.

Haha better than manchester wait untill the Mancs here about the utter bullshit you come out with...


PS Yorkshire boy is a complete pleb who uses the Leeds forum to Post Pointless bradford threads!! as if anyone gives a shit :nuts:

You think im gonna be shaking in my boots becouse ive said Birmingham has a better skyline than Manchester, ive said it before m8.
Us Brummies are not scared of Manchester, our two rivalries are good for the two cities and it gives Brum a good kick up the ass, just what it needs sometimes. Leeds on the other hand will always be the that other city at the other side of the pennines.

You think im gonna be shaking in my boots becouse ive said Birmingham has a better skyline than Manchester, ive said it before m8.
Us Brummies are not scared of Manchester

You don't half talk shit you dont ya, how old are you like 4?

Thats the point thought mk8, people do give a shit. Have some respect.:bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash::bash:

Anyway m8, your not doing much for me to change my mind about which city is better, and not just skylines and taller towers etc becouse even i admit this does not make a better city.

And by you posting pix of Birmingham on a cold january dull grey day is not gonna change my mind, i will get across my message with words.

Birmingham is a better city than Leeds????? Overall

what a div :sly:

The debate will continue i suppose as with Liverpool v Manchester v Birmingham v Leeds v Glasgow v Cardiff v Belfast v Newcastle etc etc

Goodbye

Dear lord this is pathetic!!!

Does anyone remember the insults/sword fighting bit in the first Monkey Island game?

http://www.casualgamedesign.com/images/Monkey%20Island%20-%20Insult%20Sword%20Fighting.png


Oh, sorry wrong thread...

^^

no. i got sick of changing the 11 disks it came on every 3 minutes ;)

Monkey Island came on 4. It was the second Monkey Island game that came on 11 disks.

Omg 7 really! or im wrong then HCT is huge :nuts:

Don't talk shit its hideous its more postwar crap to add to the brumhole collection..

Wow impressive :nuts: anyway i've had enough of this childish shit...

Yeah, i'm getting bored of talking about dirty Brumhole now lol with its third world skyline.

Third world city


Brumhole,England


Not much between you both :lol:

I think you need to look at the photo i just posted above and look at Brumhole... & to think Brumhole is the secound largest city in the UK after London but yet lags behind places like Manchester,liverpool and even Leeds.... even portsmouth manages to get a cleaner skyline than Brumhole... i think you will find its Brumhole whats preforming terribly for it's size.

Nuke it :lol:

Haha better than manchester wait untill the Mancs here about the utter bullshit you come out with...


PS Yorkshire boy is a complete pleb who uses the Leeds forum to Post Pointless bradford threads!! as if anyone gives a shit :nuts:

You don't half talk shit you dont ya, how old are you like 4?

what a div :sly:

Sometimes, the chance to live life to the full with relationships, excitement, travelling, culture, love, etc. is cruely snatched away from young adults, teenagers, children, babies etc. long before their times are due. It is one of the great tragedies of the world we live in.

Such a disgrace is it then, to see the likes of Leeds Troll wasting their teenage/adult/whatever years of their life by battling their low self-esteem and inferioty complexes by coming on to internet forums to have seemingly serious arguments about which piles of bricks and mortar looks the best to make themselves feel better about themselves despite their hollow 'victories'.

At the moment it makes me sad but god forbid I should ever have to witness a close friend having their chance at a long and fulfilling life snatched away from them before time as I may just detest the likes of Leeds Troll and ask myself, "Why God? Why not that obnoxious little waste-of-space cunt instead?"


http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/48647000/jpg/_48647179_009936016-1.jpgTributes paid to Dr Karen Woo killed in Afghan ambush (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-10907188) "loving and caring" and a "true hero"

Mother and daughter, 11, critical after stabbing (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-10903803)

^^ I'm assuming you've read the last few pages on the 70m+ UC thread and skyline thread too then?

18: Very good nightlife, commercial and alternative scene (Gatecrasher Birmingham is better than Gatecrasher Leeds)



If you judge a quality nightlife on a trip to Gatecrasher, I think that tells us everything we need to know about your tastes. Ta-ta...

gatecrasher is such a drag now - last place you should be going to if coming to Birmingham. period.

gatecrasher is such a drag now - last place you should be going to if coming to Birmingham. period.

They also have a very selective door policy... usually based on race but they wont tell you that of course

Actually my taste is much much better than Gatecrasher, i was just comparing the same two clubs in the two different cities.

I much prefer to have my nights down Digbeth rather than commercial clubs like Gatecrasher, Digbeth part of Birmingham city centre gives you this with venues like the Custard factory, The Rainbow Warehouse and the soon to be HMV Institute.

^^

You earlier said birmingham has a better alternative scene and listed the larger gatecrasher as an example. Yet now you concede gatecrasher is just commercial identikit clubbing found in all the regional cities. It's like Topman, or River Island.

The reason Leeds' gatecrasher isnt such a focal point for the city's nightlife is because it doesnt have to rely on commercial cloned clap trap. It has a host of unique and succesful venues and brands.

With regards to which city has the better nightlife and clubbing scene.. lol birmingham lags behind most of the regional cities to be fair.

You need to read the list again wiggles as i said Birmingham has a better commercial AND Alternative scene.
I didnt say that i classed Gatecrasher as alternative, and no offense m8 but i love my clubbing and i know what a good club is and what the music should be like and Gatecrasher is not what i call a great club.

Birmingham has a good, if not very good nighlife scene, especially down Digbeth and is getting better all the time.

You need to read the list again wiggles as i said Birmingham has a better commercial AND Alternative scene.
I didnt say that i classed Gatecrasher as alternative, and no offense m8 but i love my clubbing and i know what a good club is and what the music should be like and Gatecrasher is not what i call a great club.

Birmingham has a good, if not very good nighlife scene, especially down Digbeth and is getting better all the time.

commercial, or alternative, brum isnt rated for its nightlife sadly, compared to leeds manchester and newcastle, or even liverpool, or sheffield. The student population is disproportionately small for a city of its size, leading to clubs and bars fractured throughout the city, creating little vibe, with significant portions of the city centre devoid of any life after 7pm. What you are left with is small clusters like digbeth, rather than an entire city centre buzzing thru the night like digbeth.

even the gay scene suffers the same problem down hirst street, being quite spread out and fractured, eliminating any buzz or vibe.

Yeah you are quite right wiggles, the nighlife is quite spread out, however that being said, the nightspots down digbeth put on good nights if your into that kind of stuff, better if not better than any other club in any other city.

The area around Hurst street (gay village) is quite close to each other, this area is very "buzzing" as you have the Arcadian with all its bars and restaurants, Chinese quarter, Hippodrome theatre and gay village further down hurst street, this area is busy if not busier than any street ive been to in Leeds.

And what have "students" got to do with it?????

Birmingham has a very large student population actually.

What made all the great clubs in places like Ibiza and Miami, not students i can tell you.

The area around Hurst street (gay village) is quite close to each other, this area is very "buzzing" as you have the Arcadian with all its bars and restaurants, Chinese quarter, Hippodrome theatre and gay village further down hurst street, .

This may be conisdered buzzing for Brum.. but not for most other cities. Their whole city centres are like that on a saturday night :)

The numerous times ive been out round brum... its like a dead ghost town on a sat night across the majority of the city. Its a very weird thing. Instead, you have to find small clusters such as digbeth, which are more like suburban headingley on a night out than a city centre.

And what have "students" got to do with it?????

Birmingham has a very large student population actually.

Its the students and young population that drive the nightlife scene particularly the clubs.

The 'locals' tending more so to the commercial "ten a penny in every city" scene, such as Oceana etc, whilst the students driving the alternative scene.

Brum's student population is disproportionately small for a large city.

If you click onto www.dontstayin.com, or tilllate.com you will find Birmingham is one of the top faves for clubs etc, so they must like Brums nightlife which is very varied, i suppose it depends on what kind of scene you are into.

Birmingham is Britain’s second exciting city with the UK’s largest student population outside of London. The city centre is a fusion of attractive squares, modern retail shopping like the Bullring mall, complete with the stunning Selfridges building and massive choice of cultural, nightlife and sporting attractions.
From www.mainstaystudent.co.uk

Not saying that the above is correct, but this is from a student website, but then they probably say the same about Leeds, Manchester etc

^^ lol

try looking at something meaningful, such as The Student Room website forums which are packed full of forum threads discussing university cities, and ones which offer the best nightlife. Brum always comes near the bottom.

On a related note, looking at directory listing sites such as qype.. it shows

pubs & bars: leeds 552, birmingham 501
clubs: leeds 55, birmingham 48

Now consider leeds' city centre is half the size but has more bars, clubs, and pubs than birmingham. Its population of the urban settlement is around half too, yet its total number of students is higher than brum leading to much greater proportion.. and you can see why brum just isnt seen as a comparable nightlife city to the northern cities.. manc, leeds, liverpool etc

the only thing where brum appears to pip leeds is in its larger dole queues

You can "spout" stuff about unemployment queues as much as you like wiggles, nothing much we can do about that in this current climate, however just becouse Leeds has more bars/pubs or whatever, and more students, that still doesnt give Leeds a automatic better nightlife scene, sorry but it doesnt.
Ive been out in Leeds once last year after a dance music event and ive got to say, yes i had a really good night, however i didnt leave your city with the impression that "Wow, what a fantastic cool nightlife Leeds has compared to Brum, i just didnt" and thats my first impression.

Maybe Leeds is better for student nightlife and Birmingham is better for normal nightlife, lol

www.dontstayin.com have Birmingham, together with London, Brighton and Manchester as some of the top cities for nightlife, sadly Leeds is not on that list. Maybe the student thing isnt everybodies cup of tea either.

And were not all students, some of us would not want to go to bars/clubs which are full of students, no offense meant but its true.

Birmingham will probably for a long time have higher unemployment figures than Leeds as we used to be a city that made things, sadly this country doesnt make much anymore. :bash::ohno:

Actually my taste is much much better than Gatecrasher, i was just comparing the same two clubs in the two different cities.

I much prefer to have my nights down Digbeth rather than commercial clubs like Gatecrasher, Digbeth part of Birmingham city centre gives you this with venues like the Custard factory, The Rainbow Warehouse and the soon to be HMV Institute.

If we're going to compare shit club chains I could equally alledge that Leeds' Oceana is bigger and better, but that'd be pretty sad. What next? Comparing number and size of McDonalds branches?! :lol:

Yeah that would be really fun, lol

Nah, only kidding

This may be conisdered buzzing for Brum.. but not for most other cities. Their whole city centres are like that on a saturday night :)

The numerous times ive been out round brum... its like a dead ghost town on a sat night across the majority of the city. Its a very weird thing. Instead, you have to find small clusters such as digbeth, which are more like suburban headingley on a night out than a city centre.

I dont think that is true in some ways. Having lived in manchester for 3 years as a student the night life is very spread i felt. The whole city centre is not buzzing. The odd venue here and there (josh brooks, the ritz, 5th av to name a few) with a concentration of venues at deansgate locks, deansgate road, printworks, nothern quarter (although my experience their is confined to bars mainly) and fallowfield.

Even in london i felt the same with a concentration of clubs in some areas, the only difference is that you have other activities open late like in china town where you can eat at 4am.

Also went out in leeds but i can't comment on that as it was a limited experience.

Our student pop' is approx 60,000 post and undergrad combined

Maybe Leeds is better for student nightlife and Birmingham is better for normal nightlife, lol

www.dontstayin.com have Birmingham, together with London, Brighton and Manchester as some of the top cities for nightlife, sadly Leeds is not on that list. Maybe the student thing isnt everybodies cup of tea either.

Note Portsmouth coming second to London, for Student Nightlife at least. Our Student population is under 30,000 but we're a small city.

I would like to visit Brum. It does seem a nice city. Seeming as it is the 2nd city after London it must have lots to offer.

Brum isn't great, but neither is it at as godawful as Leeds.

..which isnt as godawful as liverpool. or godforbid, hull lol

oh my god when i went to hull i didnt want to leave the car!

Oh my God!

I was the same when I went to Sheffield. It was the car park under the 'Roxy'.

haha yeah, not the best place to start your visit lol

The only things of value in hull are a bridge (which you have to pay to use :ohno:) and a mediocre stadium :)

Wrong on.. erm.. three counts.

1. The bridge is just outside the city boundary in Hessle

2. The Circle is far from mediocre. It is easily the best stadium of it's size in the country and a lot better than many much bigger.

3. There is lot's that is 'of value' in Hull.

which isnt as godawful as liverpool

Ha Ha do you want to compare Waterfronts,the general consensus across the boards is that Leeds just seems to lack in just about everything besides stuff like business and shops and opera,the boring stuff.I don't know why you'd start on us when you know he's from Hull? I suppose you fancy having a go at Liverpool again? what's the matter is Trinity under construction and a new arena imminent,you've found yourself with a new line of attack now your tails up and this was your way of bringing Liverpool into it?

And Birmingham wipes the floor with Leeds,I think you'll find 90% of these boards agree.

Wrong on.. erm.. three counts.

1. The bridge is just outside the city boundary in Hessle

2. The Circle is far from mediocre. It is easily the best stadium of it's size in the country and a lot better than many much bigger.

3. There is lot's that is 'of value' in Hull.

Okay I will admit it I was wrong. Hull only has one thing to offer and that is a mediocre football stadium which is no different to Pride Park, Walkers, St Marys etc. Been to all of them and there was nothing special about the KC in comparison to the other new stadium.

And things of 'value', what is that list, a small shopping centre and a glorified fish tank:lol:

Yeah just a glorified fish tank and a small shopping centre.

And sheffield is just snooker and trams. :bash:

BTW: The Deep, apart from being a fantastic and genuinely iconic piece of contemporary architecture, is also the most successful millennium funded project in the country, has made the region a world leader in marine biology research and is a shining example to other cities that shall remain nameless about how to operate a publicly funded, high-profile visitor attraction.

It's more than just a fish tank, all told.

oh my god when i went to hull i didnt want to leave the car!

:lol:

I went to Hull once and was about to leave the car but then decided against it after I'd parked up. I must have ended up in the wrong part of something but damn it was grim.

We've already been through this. there are shit parts of every city, if you don't know whereabouts you where I can't really comment.

:lol:

There is only one really grim part of the city centre between the south end of ferensway and the back of Princes Quay, the rest is quite attractive with some stunning architecture. The Old Town was recently voted amongst the best preserved areas in the country.

We tried to park in the Albion Street carpark. It wasn't so much that area alone but the combined experience of driving across the city along the waterfront and then entering Hull again the following day from the North.

I accept that all cities have their good and bad parts but the parts I saw just felt low rent, mucky and seemed to be full of scrubbers. We saw some lovely old architecture and streets that would otherwise have been nice if they weren't as described above and full of takeaways, bookies and a predominance of similar shops and establishments which usually signify deprived areas.

So you didn't visit the city centre, apart from Albion Street car park?

I presume when you entered from the north it was down Beverley Road? It's true the main drag has seen better days (though it does retain some fantastic Victorian buildings - especially around Stepney), but the nearby Avenues area and Beverley High Road are most definitely not low rent or noticeably deprived.

So you didn't visit the city centre, apart from Albion Street car park?

I presume when you entered from the north it was down Beverley Road? It's true the main drag has seen better days, but the nearby Avenues area and Beverley High Road are most definitely not low rent or noticeably deprived.

We drove in and around it but didn't feel sufficiently inspired enough to get out. It was Beverley Road from the North yes, just been checking on GoogleStreet view. I agree it looked like it had seen better days.

Anyway I'm not here to bash Hull but merely picked up on Kyles point that wheras he didn't want to get out, we actually didn't. I haven't visited Hull often, perhaps 2 or 3 times but there must be something about the place that gives visitors a negative first impression. I haven't given a great deal of thought as to what that could be but on reflection I would say the impressions I gave in my previous post, too many dual carrigageways, especially along the Humber frontage littered with mediocre crap shed like buildings and a sense that the massive regeneration efforts that have transfomed other British cities in recent years seemed to have utterly passed Hull by.

We drove in and around it but didn't feel sufficiently inspired enough to get out. It was Beverley Road from the North yes, just been checking on GoogleStreet view. I agree it looked like it had seen better days.

Anyway I'm not here to bash Hull but merely picked up on Kyles point that wheras he didn't want to get out, we actually didn't. I haven't visited Hull often, perhaps 2 or 3 times but there must be something about the place that gives visitors a negative first impression. I haven't given a great deal of thought as to what that could be but on reflection I would say the impressions I gave in my previous post, too many dual carrigageways, especially along the Humber frontage littered with mediocre crap shed like buildings and a sense that the massive regeneration efforts that have transfomed other British cities in recent years seemed to have utterly passed Hull by.

It's always interesting to hear the perceptions of visitors, but I tend to take them with a pinch of salt when the person i'm discussing the issue with didn't make the effort to get out of their car. I always like to base my opinions of a place on getting out and having a look, as I find that most places have at least something to offer.

I suppose it depends what you are inspired by though, what were you looking for in particular?

I'm not sure what you mean by too many dual carriageways. In comparison to where? The route you took entering is the main route into the city from the west. The city centre is almost entirely pedestrianised and is easy to walk around.

I don't know what you mean by 'the massive regeneration efforts that have transformed other cities and have utterly passed Hull by'? Hull has been transformed itself, and has luckily avoided the massive amounts of poxy, cheap student and residential accommodation crap that has sullied many other major cities. It was experiencing a mini-boom until the economic downturn.

Anyway, it's a bit rich for someone from Sheffield to come out with a load of crap about how other cities haven't transformed themselves when your city has achieved any improvements on the back of a big luxury denied to other places. Namely EU backed Objective 1 funding, which has poured into the city for nearly two decades, and left it still feeling like a big disappointment, especially on cursory visits.

I agree we should have got out and explored further but where we parked up just looked like it was near the standard kind of shopping streets to be found anywhere in the UK. I like to 'walk cities' to get a feel for them but in this case we just decided not to, I can't say I've felt that way too many times in my life.

The roads around the Kingston Retail Park and then further on as you head out of the city are what I mean. Just seems that if you have views over the estuary from the city centre then you shouldn't block them with big sheds filled with shops like Toys'R'Us, Sports Direct etc. It got the impression that Hull hadn't taken nearly enough advantage of its big asset, a waterfront setting.

What regeneration has Hull experienced and when I say that I mean good regeneration that has brought forgotton areas back to life, enhanced the urban realm and delivered real gains in terms of investment and improving the quality of life in the city. Any photos of some new schemes, city squares, important civic buildings that have been buuilt or refurbished, improved infrastructure, new neighbourhoods etc?

Hull has been transformed itself, and has luckily avoided the massive amounts of poxy, cheap student and residential accommodation crap that has sullied many other major cities. It was experiencing a mini-boom until the economic downturn.

That's a bit of a double-edged sword. Whislt you might be spared a few architectural unpleasantries, it also means that, possibly in the eyes of investors, the place doesn't represent a very good prospect for financial return.

I agree we should have got out and explored further but where we parked up just looked like it was near the standard kind of shopping streets to be found anywhere in the UK. I like to 'walk cities' to get a feel for them but in this case we just decided not to, I can't say I've felt that way too many times in my life.

The roads around the Kingston Retail Park and then further on as you head out of the city are what I mean. Just seems that if you have views over the estuary from the city centre then you shouldn't block them with big sheds filled with shops like Toys'R'Us, Sports Direct etc. It got the impression that Hull hadn't taken nearly enough advantage of its big asset, a waterfront setting.

Take a look at this to see what you possibly missed http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=981142

One retail park is hardly enough to judge a fairly large city on, and the waterfront is all around you from the city centre. The old converted docks that surround the old town lead you to the marina, Humber Quays, the Deep and the World Trade Centre, which are along the Humber waterfront and are in full view of Princes Quay.

The street you saw was Prospect St. You saw it as a standard shopping street because that's all it is. I recommend the Paragon Street, Saville Street, Ferensway and Whitefriargate areas next time, before heading into the old town to one of our 8 free museums or the Ferens Gallery, the Marina and old fruit market district along the Humber waterfront.

What regeneration has Hull experienced and when I say that I mean good regeneration that has brought forgotton areas back to life, enhanced the urban realm and delivered real gains in terms of investment and improving the quality of life in the city. Any photos of some new schemes, city squares, important civic buildings that have been buuilt or refurbished, improved infrastructure, new neighbourhoods etc?

There are far too many to list them all, but I can repost this selection of before and afters. All of these sites have improved quality of life, public realm or the economy of the city in some way. All have been completed in the last ten years and many have won national and international awards.


Land at the back of St Stephens
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Collier Street (now renamed 'The Milky Way' - covered street as part of the new st Stephens' shopping centre)
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Hull Truck Theatre and Albemarle Music Centre site
Before
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After

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Sammy's Point and the Tidal Barrier

Before
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After
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Humber Dock
Before
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After

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Ferensway entrance to Paragon Station
Before
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After
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History Centre (no before pic - it was a surface car park)
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The Circle

Can't find a photo of the ropey old cricket ground that existed on the site before, so this is a pic of how it looked almost exactly 9 years ago

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And today

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Alongside that, the city centre has seen a new BBC Humber headquarters built that has revitalized Queen's Gardens and the adjoining grand
Flower Circus, the refurbishment of the historic Trinity Square, a vast amount of new waterside cafes and restaurants around Princes Dock Side
and improvements to the River Hull corridor as well as new healthcare buildings, Georgian terrace clean ups and the establishment of the Freedom Festival and
Clipper round the world yacht race which attracted 150,000 people to the waterfront over two days last year.

http://memberfiles.freewebs.com/99/70/52447099/photos/Freedom-Festival-Hull/HCC%20Freedom%20(15).jpg

That's a bit of a double-edged sword. Whislt you might be spared a few architectural unpleasantries, it also means that, possibly in the eyes of investors, the place doesn't represent a very good prospect for financial return.

I hardly think it's worth despoiling a historic and fascinating 700 year old city to make a quick buck. It responded to demand while it could. Hull will be prosperous again, one day. It just needs a break.

There is a very real reason why most people refer to Hull as Hell :yes:

New York is my city :-)

Ha Ha. Good one. It get's better every time you say it.

Birmingham will probably for a long time have higher unemployment figures than Leeds as we used to be a city that made things, sadly this country doesnt make much anymore. :bash::ohno:

And Leeds wasn't a city that made things?

As for all this Hull nonsense, yes there are some retail parks and industrial areas along the Humber, the latter being rather understandable given that it is a large estuary and ports tend to attract industry. The area around the Pier is quite nice although sadly underused, and lack of funds mean that the dual carriageway situation is unlikely to be improved which is criminal.

You only need to drop the street view pegman anywhere in the old town to see a very pleasant set of buildings indeed. It does seem odd for someone from Sheffield to criticise the city centre being surrounded by dual carriageways and patchy/desolate/shoddy areas though, since that's exactly what Sheffield is (along with many other places)! It also seems to be suffering from Meadowhall even today, it doesn't seem to have a real core or focus for retail etc. The place doesn't exactly ooze affluence at every turn in the centre either, understandable given all the objective one funding.

I could just lazily comment in this manner and refuse to get out of the car upon catching site of the edge of Sheffield and some of its approaches as if it proves something but I won't, it does of course have merits like the public realm improvements and some nice buildings and streetscapes, some nice suburbs and interesting industrial heritage...also quite a bit like Hull!

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..which isnt as godawful as liverpool. or godforbid, hull lol

Leeds is significantly worse than Liverpool. It's a bigger and more vibrant place than Hull, admittedly, but Hull is unfairly represented on this forum whilst Leeds is overly represented by imebeciles like you who seem to think Leeds is a world-class city.

It'll never be as famous as Manchester, Liverpool or even Birmingham, it's ugly, has no class, culture and the people are, generally, scum. I mean just look at Wiggley's avatar, what kind of cunt has themselves as their avatar? Everything about him screams dickhead and he represents Leeds? Need I say more.

I hardly think it's worth despoiling a historic and fascinating 700 year old city to make a quick buck. It responded to demand while it could. Hull will be prosperous again, one day. It just needs a break.

Leave them to ignorance mate, they'll believe some tabloid journalist than actually experience a city.

As I've said before, Hull has a lot to work on but if Leeds is a 'world-class city' then we don't have much to aspire too.

the people are, generally, scum. I mean just look at Wiggley's avatar, what kind of cunt has themselves as their avatar? Everything about him screams dickhead and he represents Leeds? Need I say more.

The person who posted at the top of his page also has his photo on his avatar. I guess him, as well as some moderators are dickhead cunts too :|

Everything about him screams dickhead and he represents Leeds?

It's a greater reflection on you if you think a single person and his views on a forum represent an entire city :|

To be honest, I really am not surprised that you were verbally abused on a night out in Leeds!, (and have ever since felt the need to childishly "get back" at the purpetrators by obsessing on the Leeds forums and other forums at every oppurtunity about how much you hate the city and its entire inhabitants. Ironically, your mindset is no different to the people who abused you and your group.

I've tried to engage as a diplomat, held olive branch after olive branch and only been met with bile by the Leeds forumers? Okay I might go too far on occasion, but I've never met a single decent person from Leeds.

You seen that sketch on Spitting image called 'never met a nice south african', well that's my experience with residents of Leeds.

Seems like Albino has psychological scarring. Quite sad really, let's raise a collection for him :)

I mean just look at Wiggley's avatar, what kind of **** has themselves as their avatar? Everything about him screams dickhead and he represents Leeds? Need I say more.

I thought Wiggley's avatar was Dave Gahan, lead singer with Depeche Mode ... no?! :dunno:

http://artists.ml-cdn.com/large/3199/spl3894_006.jpg

You only need to drop the street view pegman anywhere in the old town to see a very pleasant set of buildings indeed. It does seem odd for someone from Sheffield to criticise the city centre being surrounded by dual carriageways and patchy/desolate/shoddy areas though, since that's exactly what Sheffield is (along with many other places)! It also seems to be suffering from Meadowhall even today, it doesn't seem to have a real core or focus for retail etc. The place doesn't exactly ooze affluence at every turn in the centre either, understandable given all the objective one funding.

I could just lazily comment in this manner and refuse to get out of the car upon catching site of the edge of Sheffield and some of its approaches as if it proves something but I won't, it does of course have merits like the public realm improvements and some nice buildings and streetscapes, some nice suburbs and interesting industrial heritage...also quite a bit like Hull!

I'm sorry I guess I should have caveated my comments about Hull with a criticism about Sheffield just in case I came across as biased? You think I don't know whats wrong with Sheffield but what on earth has that got to do with a discussion that centered on Hull? What is clearly nonsense is that a professional can't comment on poor aspects of design on this forum without being attacked or accused of bias if it happens to be outside their own city. Like that should have anything to do with it anyway! Grow up.

If and when Sheffield, or any other city I am interested in, arises in this discussion and I happen to pick this thread up at the time then I will have the grace to discuss the merits of the city in the mature manner that Legolamb has. I'm always open to being proved wrong and Legolamb's posts have clearly demonstrated that my intial impressions of Hull were probably wide of the mark.

A fine, gracious response there Larven, much appreciated.

People are perfectly entitled to constructively criticise any city as long as it based on experience and not kneejerk assumptions or a misplaced highfaltin' superiority complex, the likes of which Hull has to deal with from many not giving it a chance.

I mean, wiggleyleeds has admitted on here before that he never left his hotel room, saw a shit part of the city and had his prejudices confirmed, so didn't venture any further (Hull = Hell. Ha Ha!)

The person who posted at the top of his page also has his photo on his avatar. I guess him, as well as some moderators are dickhead cunts tooShouldn't that read "HE"?

It's a greater reflection on you if you think a single person and his views on a forum represent an entire city :|Which is a good thing considering the above grammar, or lack thereof.:lol:

Shouldn't that read "HE"?

Which is a good thing considering the above grammar, or lack thereof.:lol:
Give it a rest!

I find people on this forum so obnoxious when they recorrect mistaken grammer and typing errors. :ohno:

Give it a rest!

I find people on this forum so obnoxious when they recorrect mistaken grammer and typing errors. :ohno:

When there is a spell check there really is no excuse.

When there is a spell check there really is no excuse.

It's not the point though is it, what i'm saying is when little mistakes after be tediously recorrected, even though you can make out what it's meant to say is pretty obnoxious by any standards.

Ha Ha do you want to compare Waterfronts,the general consensus across the boards is that Leeds just seems to lack in just about everything besides stuff like business and shops and opera,the boring stuff.

Commerce, retail and culture? Aren't they the 3 main ingredients to a successful and dynamic city? A waterfront doesn't make one city any better than another besides aesthetics.

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Commerce, retail and culture? Aren't they the 3 main ingredients to a successful and dynamic city? A waterfront doesn't make one city any better than another besides aesthetics.

Yes but you take that as a given in any city and not a claims to fame and that was my point there.The Waterfront comment was clearly sarcasm and this forum is all about aesthetics in case you haven't noticed? They feature very highly in most conversations on here.I noticed you never picked up on Wiggleys Godawful Liverpool comments to which I was replying too,this was between me and him and was about that unnecessary comment he made to someone from Hull,just because he's a student in Liverpool and was having a go at Leeds, also he doesn't need people like you to continue his trolling for him.Even the people of Leeds recognise they lack a strong identity,iconic buildings,icons in general,great local bands,International recognition etc, now I suppose you'll get what you're after now when someone bites wont you?:)

When there is a spell check there really is no excuse.

da wúrd 'he' is in da' dickshonary, A spel checkers would not 'elp.

Therefor U is rung.

da wúrd 'he' is in da' dickshonary, A spel checkers would not 'elp.

Therefor U is rung.

:lol:
deer oh deer, sum pea pull half know cents.

I noticed you never picked up on Wiggleys Godawful Liverpool comments to which I was replying too,this was between me and him and was about that unnecessary comment he made to someone from Hull,just because he's a student in Liverpool and was having a go at Leeds, also he doesn't need people like you to continue his trolling for him.?:)

The irony here is hilarious :|

You have a pop Conor for taking umbrance to your comments, insisting the exchange of words was between you and me and that he should keep out of it. Yet, you did exactly the same thing.. continueing AlbionFagon's trollish comments for him. :nuts:

And get over the referencing to trolling.. this is the City Bashing thread, and there is no issue if albionfagon wants to bash Leeds.. so what if its actually nothing to do with Leeds in reality but due to him being verbally abused in leeds city centre, and never quite getting over it... still psychologically scarred. If this is his way at "getting back" at the purpetrators, so be it.

As for Liverpool, lets be honest here, yes it has a "waterfront" that basically looks like a dreary sewer from the windows of malmaison etc (that was the comments made from my house mate btw)..,and yes it has a new tacky shopping core that basically moved the crappy low calibre shops from the main high street and plonked them into the shopping mall... these things are irrelavent. What *is* relevant is that sadly liverpool is the most deprived city in england, with horrific levels of poverty and desperation, with people clambering to escape the city in their 1000s, to more prosperous and vibrant cities that offer them a better quality of life, better job prospects, and more oppurtunities, such as Leeds, Manchester, and London.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/danlad/buildings/wors.jpg

Anyway, AlbionFagon is best ignored.. as he is probably just depressed to be fair..

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Good one wiggley,this is what you were after,Little London looks like Dubai by the way,you can see there's bags of cash there,no wonder you lot on the Leeds forum are always complaining about the amount of scumbags in the city centre.:lol:

That open sewer is going to be called home for the next four days to a ship full of Billionaires,and they picked the itinerary too,so I don't suppose it matters what wiggley of Essex thinks does it.

In fact, the Mersey estuary is one of the top ten estuaries in Britain for wildlife and is home to many species of fish, breeding birds, and grey seals. Harbour porpoises and bottle-nosed dolphins often visit this once polluted waterway.

so what if its actually nothing to do with Leeds in reality but due to him being verbally abused in leeds city centre, and never quite getting over it... still psychologically scarred. If this is his way at "getting back" at the purpetrators, so be it.

I've read di livio make the same comments about abuse many times too,seems there's a problem,you wouldn't think that would happen in such a prosperous society would you?

That's a picture of a HMRI area. They're at the bottom of the deprivation indicies because the people living there have been moved out in order to demolish the entire street and build new houses.

The fact is Liverpool's bad bits are bad, but the good bits, which are abundant, shite all over Leeds. Leeds is a corporately pussy-whipped place, a place where the planning department doesn't wear any knickers in order to attract investment, and the end result is a big town playing city, and getting shafted by developers. It's not even a comparison worth making.

I've been to Liverpool a number of times this year. The main reason I continue to return is due to the friendliness of the people, the buzz of the city and the general appeal of the city. And as above, those newspaper clippings are well out of date so continue to put down Liverpool all you wish, but I would love to live in Liverpool without a second thought.

Yes but you take that as a given in any city and not a claims to fame and that was my point there

Doesn't dismiss the fact that a city will be more successful with all three factors.

The Waterfront comment was clearly sarcasm

OK, my bad. I didn't realise. I wouldn't have responded if I knew.

this forum is all about aesthetics in case you haven't noticed?

Not really. Maybe when the place opened back in 02, but now its about anything do do with architecture, design, engineering, the built environment and infrastructure... Your comment didn't have much to do with aesthetics either anyway.

They feature very highly in most conversations on here.I noticed you never picked up on Wiggleys Godawful Liverpool comments to which I was replying too,

Liverpool/Glasgow are by far my second fav UK cities. I have nothing against it or its people. I'd be much more likely to defend Liverpool over a majority of other British cities. Don't make it out be be I have something against the place. I would even consider living there.

I was replying too,this was between me and him and was about that unnecessary comment he made to someone from Hull,just because he's a student in Liverpool and was having a go at Leeds,

I didn't want to get involved in the argument (And I don't really understand it anyway) I was just stating fact, that a majority of great cities (including liverpool) use culture, retail and buisness to grow and flourish.

he doesn't need people like you to continue his trolling for him.

How am I trolling? I didn't even bait or attempt to wind anyone up? The last thing I want to do is troll with SCC Wiggley, not even a week ago I had a 2 page argument with him. (No hard feelings against him :) )

Even the people of Leeds recognise they lack a strong identity,iconic buildings,icons in general

I have never disagreed with this opinion. I don't know much about Leeds, but I do know it undersells itself and has no icons or renound identity. I'm getting the feeling you think I'm defending Leeds? But I'm not sure why? Identity blah blah blah... has nothing to do with what I wrote.

I suppose you'll get what you're after now when someone bites wont you?:)

Can't tell if your serious from the smiley face, but if you are then :banana: and if you aren't then see my response after quote 6.

I think you just really over interpreted what I read.

I've read di livio make the same comments about abuse many times too,seems there's a problem,you wouldn't think that would happen in such a prosperous society would you?

di livio complains too much, i think he still lives in the past judging from the photos he posts on the Leeds forum. and tbh with you i never have trouble with people in Leeds Maybe its di livio whos the problem :dunno:

Sorry Conor,I know you're not like that.:)

As much as i don't want to get into an arugment about which city is better, i will just make one point, i think if we all look closely all city's around the world have there fair share of shit areas and the better areas so arguing about which city is paradise is a complete joke. :|

As much as i don't want to get into an arugment about which city is better, i will just make one point i think if we all look closely all city's around the world have there fair share of shit areas and the better areas so arguing about which city is paradise is a complete joke. :|

You're right,every big city in the World has deprivation,crime and crap housing,poverty etc,maybe with the exception of a rich mans paradise like Monaco,so you're right,it's a joke to suggest otherwise.

You're right,every big city in the World has deprivation,crime and crap housing,poverty etc,maybe with the exception of a rich mans paradise like Monaco,so you're right,it's a joke to suggest otherwise.

i went to Monaco a couple of years back, my experience of the place put my right off, there were body guards on every connor, keep of the grass signs everywhere you had to even take your caps off when walking down the main high street, it was like concentration camp. :ohno: you could'nt move without braking the law. :lol:

Oh yeah and a can of coke cost me €8 :lol:

i went to Monaco a couple of years back, my experience of the place put my right off, there were body guards on every connor, keep of the grass signs everywhere you had to even take your flatcaps off when walking down the main high street, it was like concentration camp. :ohno: you could'nt move without braking the law. :lol:

Oh yeah and a can of coke cost me €8 :lol:

Good to see you Yorkshire lads keeping the tradition going lol.

That's a picture of a HMRI area. They're at the bottom of the deprivation indicies because the people living there have been moved out in order to demolish the entire street and build new houses.

The fact is Liverpool's bad bits are bad, but the good bits, which are abundant, shite all over Leeds. Leeds is a corporately pussy-whipped place, a place where the planning department doesn't wear any knickers in order to attract investment, and the end result is a big town playing city, and getting shafted by developers. It's not even a comparison worth making.

That's not really how the index of deprivation works. Of the seven domains in the Index of Deprivations only the one including housing quality data would be influenced by demolitions. The other six domains are based on data that can't possibly be linked to the HMRI (an empty house can't be burgled, an individual can't be registered unemployed in a house they no longer live in etc.).

Liverpool's good bits obviously aren't abundant enough to counterbalance the bad bits, as it's at the bottom of the table with them included. Neither are Manchester, Tower Hamlets or Hackney's though. Authorities comprised predominately of deprived inner city areas will be the most deprived. Leeds is lucky enough that its relatively small size means its more affluent suburbs are retained within the city boundary.

I'd challenge anyone to walk around Liverpool city centre and not find it an exciting vibrant place. People from Leeds can blather on about their business propsects all they like and deprivation levels, but let's face it there isn't much to separate any of the major cities when it comes to poverty and crime. Inner city=rough and the further you get away, generally, the better it gets. Same in all places.

Liverpool's struggled in the past, but it is reviving itself it has an identity, a culture and a fame that far supasses anything Leeds will ever have I'm afraid. People come to Liverpool because it's a warm, exciting and beautiful city walk around...Leeds is just another Milton Keynes type of place, places for people like Wiggley, i.e people who put themselve in their avatar :lol: :lol: :lol: You look like you're posing on Myspace for underage girls you fucking sadact.

Also, read Che's post. The reason leeds comes out comparitively well when it comes to 'deprivation' is because it lies about how big it is. It's not as big as Manchester or Liverpool in actuality, but it incorporates loads of middle-class, twatty, Daily Mail villages.

Leeds is lucky enough that its relatively small size means its more affluent suburbs are retained within the city boundary.

Having affluent suburbs within the city isn't really anything to do with its size, if anything Leeds along with smaller neighbours Bradford and especially Wakefield are significantly overbounded. Sheffield too although most of its overbounded area doesn't have many people in it. These places are very much the exception though, they are in metropolitan counties that aren't quite so built up as the others, so there isn't any other metropolitan district in which to put some of the smaller surrounding towns which have some countryside in the way let alone the suburbs. Many/most cities smaller than Leeds are underbounded to varying extents, especially Nottingham but also others like Leicester, Bristol and Hull to name some examples.

How are we measuring deprivation here though, overall levels within a council area, or the number of bottom-ranking super output areas within those councils? If the latter, then of course underbounding will have a much reduced impact on where looks worst.

Leeds is a major city like Manchester and Liverpool, but unlike them it's overboundried. Whilst Liverpool and Manchester don't include places that are integral to them, Leeds includes villages miles away from it.

Having said that, If Manchester included Stretford and even Salford it would include more mass depravition, and similarly with Liverpool and Knowsley.

Tbf most Leeds posters seem alright on here, but because Wiggley is their most active poster I see him as their representative and as he is a complete cuntwhore who needs to be put down ASAP my antipathy towards Leeds is exacerbated.

I need to recognise that Leeds and Wiggley are mutually exclusive.

Having affluent suburbs within the city isn't really anything to do with its size, if anything Leeds along with smaller neighbours Bradford and especially Wakefield are significantly overbounded. Sheffield too although most of its overbounded area doesn't have many people in it. These places are very much the exception though, they are in metropolitan counties that aren't quite so built up as the others, so there isn't any other metropolitan district in which to put some of the smaller surrounding towns which have some countryside in the way let alone the suburbs. Many/most cities smaller than Leeds are underbounded to varying extents, especially Nottingham but also others like Leicester, Bristol and Hull to name some examples.

How are we measuring deprivation here though, overall levels within a council area, or the number of bottom-ranking super output areas within those councils? If the latter, then of course underbounding will have a much reduced impact on where looks worst.

Yes you're probably right, small is the wrong word. The unusual urban structure of West Yorkshire is a better explanation.

I think what they do is average the city score from all SOAs within each local authority, so over/underbounding will have a significant effect.

That's not really how the index of deprivation works. Of the seven domains in the Index of Deprivations only the one including housing quality data would be influenced by demolitions. The other six domains are based on data that can't possibly be linked to the HMRI (an empty house can't be burgled, an individual can't be registered unemployed in a house they no longer live in etc.).

Liverpool's good bits obviously aren't abundant enough to counterbalance the bad bits, as it's at the bottom of the table with them included. Neither are Manchester, Tower Hamlets or Hackney's though. Authorities comprised predominately of deprived inner city areas will be the most deprived. Leeds is lucky enough that its relatively small size means its more affluent suburbs are retained within the city boundary.


You're talking about authorities, I'm talking about cities.

Liverpool's good bits obviously aren't abundant enough to counterbalance the bad bits, as it's at the bottom of the table with them included.

just to pick up on this, seriously dude WTF???? Do you need statistics to tell you that the Pier Head, Edinburgh Castle or Tower of London are better 'goods bits' than Clarence Dock in Leeds? :lol:

I think everybody recognises that the statistics don't represent Leeds' main urban area because of the boundaries, but there is truth in those statistics. From an amateur viewpoint, I don't think inner city Leeds is anywhere near as deprived as some districts of Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Birmingham or particularly London. Infact, 7 of Leeds' wards are in England's 1000 most deprived wards, of which 5 make it into the top 500 most deprived. None are in the 100 most deprived.

You're talking about authorities, I'm talking about cities.

But any argument about deprivation has to be about authorities, because that's the level it's measured at. You can guess what the figures for "real cities" would be, but that's all it is.

just to pick up on this, seriously dude WTF???? Do you need statistics to tell you that the Pier Head, Edinburgh Castle or Tower of London are better 'goods bits' than Clarence Dock in Leeds? :lol:

Well statistics wouldn't tell me that, it would be absurd.

What they tell me is that across a range of social indicators the communities (or bits) of Liverpool is far more deprived than those of Leeds. Even excepting over/underbounding of the authorities compared to the real cities Leeds is (as Leedsno.1 points out) still less deprived than Liverpool. That doesn't alter the fact the the Pier Head is a better urban space than Clarence Dock. But that's scant compensation for the many people in Liverpool with no work, poor housing, poor health and a multitude of other privations.

A shit area is a shit area. If you want to look at tables of which is the 'best' shit area then thats up to you, I suppose living in Moss Side that sort of stuff is relevant to you. It is irrelevent to me as I live in a quiet, leafy suburban area, work in the city centre. If I moved to Leeds I would not live in a shit area either.

A shit area is a shit area. If you want to look at tables of which is the 'best' shit area then thats up to you, I suppose living in Moss Side that sort of stuff is relevant to you. It is irrelevent to me as I live in a quiet, leafy suburban area, work in the city centre. If I moved to Leeds I would not live in a shit area either.


Quite an arrogant way of looking at things. The majority of posters on this site seem to care more about how 'pretty' the newest building is than the actual welfare of the inhabitants of the place.

I agree with yoshef, Council areas are terrible i wouldn't like to live on one that's for sure! there basically just full of brain dead benefit collecting Chavs.......

Quite an arrogant way of looking at things.


No, not quite. It's not me using it as a stick.



The majority of posters on this site seem to care more about how 'pretty' the newest building is than the actual welfare of the inhabitants of the place.


isn't this an architecture forum? :shifty:

A shit area is a shit area. If you want to look at tables of which is the 'best' shit area then thats up to you, I suppose living in Moss Side that sort of stuff is relevant to you. It is irrelevent to me as I live in a quiet, leafy suburban area, work in the city centre. If I moved to Leeds I would not live in a shit area either.

That's not really true is it though, and you know it. There are some deprived parts of Leeds that aren't particularly attractive, but at the end of the day they might have better access to better hospitals or schools than in other cities, or lower crime rates. All areas have their host of good points and bad points; and clearly some have more good points than other areas.

I agree with yoshef, Council areas are terrible i wouldn't like to live on one that's for sure! there basically just full of brain dead benefit collecting Chavs.......

wow

wow

See what I mean about people from Leeds?

See what I mean about people from Leeds?

Thats a little rich coming from you..

Leeds City Centre ... lost it's way and didn't benefit from the boom years? ... Discuss.

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Lets hope the next 20 years are kinder to Leeds!

Leeds City Centre ... lost it's way and didn't benefit from the boom years? ... Discuss.
Lets hope the next 20 years are kinder to Leeds!

Glad to see the oldest member on this forum loosing his memory. :cheers:

^^ lol

the nurses havent given him his medicine :nuts:

See what I mean about people from Leeds?

You have never got over being racially abused by a group of individuals when you went out in Leeds. You condemn them for tarnishing entire subsets of people with offensive generalisations. Yet ironically, you spend much of your time online obsessively doing excactly the same thing, being personally offensive, obnoxious and foul mouthed against any individuals from Leeds - just like racists do against minority groups.

I've never come across someone online so angst ridden and psychologically scarred, unable to let go, desperately and ineffectively trying to make anyone from leeds "hurt", like the purpetrators who hurled racist abuse at you made you "hurt" and still do.

Your cries for help have nothing to do with Leeds, or any city or place really, but are actually about you, and your mental health and fundamental pyschological issues you clearly have since this incident. :pet:

Sandblast some of us may have even taken your post seriously if you didn't post a picture of some bins outside student houses :lol: If I was a complete idiot, I'd be looking at those photos thinking that there was never a blue sky in Leeds and that 700,000+ people didn't live there. Aren't you too old for this? I don't see anyone falling for it.

Sandblast some of us may have even taken your post seriously if you didn't post a picture of some bins outside student houses :lol: If I was a complete idiot, I'd be looking at those photos thinking that there was never a blue sky in Leeds and that 700,000+ people didn't live there. Aren't you too old for this? I don't see anyone falling for it.

Awwwwww ... come on, "it's good to bash"! :lol: (with a dollop of "truth" in there too!!)

lol ^^

theres no need to be childish and bash city's what are 10x better than anywhere you live.


we all know you live in a mental home in Brumhole sandblast. :lol:

lol ^^

as much as your making up for your borring childhood, theres no need to be childish and bash city's what are 10x better than anywhere you live.


we all know you live in a mental home sandblast. :lol:

Dyslexia cannot be blamed for the sheer dumbness of this post.

Sandblast has posted some pretty nice parts of Leeds there along with less good elements (what's wrong with the view over the river, or City Square?). It's pretty easy to be selective about bad photos, however:

Birmingham
http://www.yourlocalweb.co.uk/images/pictures/01/36/perry-barr-13346.jpg

textbook selective photo, though I think it needs a grey sky to complete the illusion:

Birmingham is a slum of city built entirely out of ugly_arss concrete, basically making it look like a giant Council estate in moscow russia, with a vibrance of (Nill).


http://images.mirror.co.uk/upl/m4/may2009/0/9/birmingham-new-street-pic-pa-799287745.jpg



http://www.laosfriendship.com/Hill%20St%20,Birmingham,May,2008.JPG

Dyslexia cannot be blamed for the sheer dumbness of this post.

so wrong but that actually made me lol

Birmingham is a slum of city built entirely out of ugly_arss concrete, basically making it look like a giant Council estate in moscow russia, with a vibrance of (Nill).


lol, you're such a fucking cunt. oops, sorry wiggley, that was a bit personal of me! Still...



lol

the nurses havent given him his medicine

..if you can't beat them.

All of those photos above is the area of Birmingham which is currently getting 600million to redevelop, so im getting quite excited at the thought. Also next month the "grotty" brown shit tip of a block of flats is being pulled down. :banana::banana::banana:

In its place, will hopefully be the "biggest" John lewis outside of London. :)

Oh well, by then Leeds will have its nice new Indoor arena, hopefully :lol:

lol ^^

theres no need to be childish and bash city's what are 10x better than anywhere you live.


we all know you live in a mental home in Brumhole sandblast. :lol:

Actually .... I live 5 miles out of this place below ....

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Cheltenham!

Only a town .... but more than Leeds could ever wish for!! :lol:

Btw ... the title of my Leeds bashing bit earlier was about "Leeds" and not Birmingham .... which you still haven't discussed! :)

I find Cheltenham a very disappointing town. The first time I went I was expecting a pleasant floral spa town- well there were elements of this that came through in areas such as Pitville Park and the Promenade, but there are such large swathes that are so run down and shabby. The High Street is a joke, and all of the area between the High Street and Clarence Road feels run down and dead- blighted by car parks, badly kept roads and buildings with peeling paint. Tewkesbury Road is another corridor that I'd expect to see in an ex-industrial northern town, not Cheltenham. It's ridiculous because it's clearly a town that is supposed to pride itself on being a nice regency town, but it's definitely got the signs that it's past its heyday. It's not really acceptable because the money is clearly still in the area to be able to sort these things out- so why do the council sit back and let such shabby areas drag the town down.

Ahh the squables. How on earth does Cheltenham manage to compete with Leeds?

Poor, poor Leeds! Says it all really?

I find Cheltenham a very disappointing town. The first time I went I was expecting a pleasant floral spa town- well there were elements of this that came through in areas such as Pitville Park and the Promenade, but there are such large swathes that are so run down and shabby. The High Street is a joke, and all of the area between the High Street and Clarence Road feels run down and dead- blighted by car parks, badly kept roads and buildings with peeling paint. Tewkesbury Road is another corridor that I'd expect to see in an ex-industrial northern town, not Cheltenham. It's ridiculous because it's clearly a town that is supposed to pride itself on being a nice regency town, but it's definitely got the signs that it's past its heyday. It's not really acceptable because the money is clearly still in the area to be able to sort these things out- so why do the council sit back and let such shabby areas drag the town down.

Dear oh dear ... can't believe you wrote "shabby" and "Cheltenham" in the same paragraph!!

Cheltenham and the Cotswolds is a great area and environment to live and raise a family. That northern hell hole that is 'Leeds' is a disgusting mess of a place .... completely overrated, a complete shambles of a town, dirty, untidy and grim!!

I know where I'd rather live, any day of the week!!!! :)
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Cheltenham is no match for Harrogate.

It's the same place.

Cheltenham is no match for Harrogate.

Harrogate is Harrogate, not leeds.

And as it happens, I live in Harrogate not Leeds. And Harrogate is a much nicer example of a spa town than Cheltenham

Fur coat and no knickers.

Bald golfers.

Middle management.

Fitter, happier, more productive.

Harrogate is Harrogate, not leeds.

Well indeed, but as Sandblast is a bit dense, I thought it might be an idea to offer a comparable location. Of course a picturesque spa town or market town is going to look pretty.

Leeds City Centre ... lost it's way and didn't benefit from the boom years? ... Discuss.
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Lets hope the next 20 years are kinder to Leeds!

You're all completely thick in that Yorkshire pit called Leeds .... you Leeds forumers got your knickers in soooo much of a twist with my original post, that instead of discussing the point raised you decided to bash Birmingham & Cheltenham!!!

READ THE POSTS!!!! "Did Leeds lose it's way over the last 20 years???"

I can't believe you just replied to your own post.

I can't believe you just replied to your own post.

Can't believe when someone asks you a question in relation to Leeds you reply with an answer about Birmingham ..... which isn't the town I live in any way, just know it is a far superior city to Leeds in every shape & form!

Cheltenham was brought in because one of the plonkers from your city automatically assumed I lived in Birmingham!

And sorry .... slightly off topic, as this could be considered "My city vs My city" .... a discussion between two Leeds forumers on a different thread .....

Originally Posted by Leeds Troll
10123, you seem to have a big problem with me don't you. why don't you start acting more your age and stop taking everything so serious its pretty perfetic to be honest with you.

Originally posted by 10123
Why don't you (Leeds Troll) start acting your age? Oh.. wait you have a mental age of 5, hence why you 'spam threads for a laugh'. Yes stop taking everything so seriously, so why you take offence to been called a 'dyslexic fucktard' I have no idea, unless of-course you are one?

Just made me laugh .... like a transcript from a scene with Wayne & Waynetta .... Yorkshire Style!!!

Birmingham ....., just know it is a far superior city to Leeds in every shape & form!As an outsider and occasional visitor to both mentioned cities, I would concur with the above.

I apologies for spamming this thread constantly with attacks at Leeds. In all honestly I only despise Leeds because I can't afford to live there, I wish I could, even Beeston was too expensive. Tbh Birmingham is nothing compared to Leeds, Leeds shopping, culture, nightlife etc shines above all other UK cities.

Thanks Sandblast that means alot :)

Cheltenham was brought in because one of the plonkers from your city automatically assumed I lived in Birmingham!

Here's pot calling the kettle black. The plonker from Cheltenham automatically assumed I lived in Leeds.

Here's pot calling the kettle black. The plonker from Cheltenham automatically assumed I lived in Leeds.

No actually I didn't ... all "this plonker" did was confuse the fact that you have a silmilar user name to another plonker in Yorkshire!

Thanks Sandblast that means alot :)

:lol: Think you may find that was illegal :ohno:

Why all the piffle about irrelevent uninteresting Leeds? What this thread needs is pure, hard, undiluted, and relentless Manc Bashing. Use it! That's what it's for!! :)

Why all the piffle about irrelevent uninteresting Leeds? What this thread needs is pure, hard, undiluted, and relentless Manc Bashing. Use it! That's what it's for!! :)

Leeds is far uglier, the people far more repugnant than Manchester or Mancunians though.

Anyone been to Derby? What a forgettable shithole.

But what did you expect, something similar to "shithole" Luton in your Bedfordshire, ha ha he he :lol:

And yes i know its not a city, but still its shit.

Anyone been to Derby? What a forgettable shithole.

Agreed :)

Guys you're drifting again. Yes the North is full of shithole cities, but remember this thread's main focus has always been, and must remain, Manchester.

Guys you're drifting again. Yes the North is full of shithole cities, but remember this thread's main focus has always been, and must remain, Manchester.

Manchester's not so bad to be honest - it's an edgy place with exciting nightlife. I do sense it gives off a bit of 'attitude', but I suppose you have to take the rough with the smooth.

^ Don't be ridiculous. Manchester's one of the shittest places on earth. It needs to be said again and again and again.

I've been to Derby, and I realise it's not the 'done thing' for Nottingham folks to defend it but I am going to give it a whirl...

Westfield hasn't done the rest of the place (or indeed its own surroundings) any favours, the river is a bit cut off, and the Market Place is a bit unpleasant. But it does have some nice old streets, churches etc, a very nice old market hall, and it has hung on to quite a lot of its engineering etc considering. Indeed, my Dad used to work at Rolls-Royce in IT (but it got farmed out to EDS or something) before he died. I admit though, I do find it harder to like than other cities, it just seems to be lacking something.

And most importantly, Langur, it isn't in the north! And just to attempt to shut you up, Manchester does have a very grim/desolate inner city and a tad too much self importance (in a rather Londonesque way, but with less to show for it). But no doubt that was too weak/diplomatic for you and the mention of London won't help...

^ Don't be ridiculous. Manchester's one of the shittest places on earth. It needs to be said again and again and again.

LOL what's with the grudge against Manchester?

LOL what's with the grudge against Manchester?You're obviously new to this thread lol! :)

Manc bashing has been a major occupation of mine for years. It's revenge for all the anti-London sentiment led by Mancs during the Olympic bids. It was traitorous and motivated by envy. What goes around, comes around. :)

What goes around, comes around. :)

Like a bully, safe in the knowledge that the place/city they are attacking is smaller and less powerful than the city they call home and promote/defend to the death.

Were you bullied at school Langur? Did someone nick your lunch money and bus fare and then turn around and laugh at how weak and pathetic you were, unable to stand up to their power to take from you, forcing themselves stronger by making you weaker?

It's revenge for all the anti-London sentiment led by Mancs during the Olympic bids. It was traitorous and motivated by envy. What goes around, comes around. :)

Keep with it Monkey! You only mention us because you fancy us.

Bless him. Ahh to be 15 years old again.

Just ask us out. Be brave. We may so no, but until you ask.....

Bless his little rosie cheeks.

He is the little lost sheep trying to compete with the jocks.

You're obviously new to this thread lol! :)

Manc bashing has been a major occupation of mine for years. It's revenge for all the anti-London sentiment led by Mancs during the Olympic bids. It was traitorous and motivated by envy. What goes around, comes around. :)

I think Monkey means this.

Originally Posted by Langur
However I'm talking about the gravy train ending. I mean no more handouts for Manchester by central government. Pleading, begging, and bleating for subsidy from London has been the basis of the Manc economy for the last 13 years.(Monkey conveniently forgets to mention the '£10 billion' handout to London for the 2012 Olympic Games from the same Central Government)

I did note with interest that he disappeared off SSC for a few weeks just after I posted it. He's never been the same since. :lol:

Like a bully, safe in the knowledge that the place/city they are attacking is smaller and less powerful than the city they call home and promote/defend to the death.

Were you bullied at school Langur? Did someone nick your lunch money and bus fare and then turn around and laugh at how weak and pathetic you were, unable to stand up to their power to take from you, forcing themselves stronger by making you weaker?

The story goes that Monkey got turned down for a job in Manchester a few years back because he was too hairy, and he's held a bitter grudge against Manchester ever since.

Why don't you try again Monkey. The BBC have transfered 2000 highly skilled and well paid jobs from London to Salford :wink2: and are now looking for security guards to work at Mediacity. Right up your street mi thinks. :colgate:

But what did you expect, something similar to "shithole" Luton in your Bedfordshire, ha ha he he :lol:

I have no connection with Luton, nor do I live anywhere near it. In fact it’s the butt of many jokes in these parts. I live in a nice village in north Bedfordshire.

Did you really think I would care that you called it a shithole?

I have no connection with Luton, nor do I live anywhere near it. In fact it’s the butt of many jokes in these parts. I live in a nice village in north Bedfordshire.

lucky you living in a village :shifty:

lucky you living in a village :shifty:

What would you know?

lucky you living in a village :shifty:

In all fairness you live in LS19 right? (judging by what you said in the weather thread (I remember things)) which is Yeadon... which is probably as far out of the city of Leeds as you could get, and is arguably closer to Bradford (town) than Leeds (town) ... :shifty:

I'll go now :)

It gets better lol!! Leeds Troll lives out in the sticks in a village called Yeadon (my atlas shows it to be on the way out to Ilkley) and Leeds No1 lives out on a limb in Harrogate! Hah! Both of them don't live in their city. At least the Brum forumers live within their city's urban fabric except Cheltenham expat Sandblast.

Maybe he should be called Bradford Troll? :dunno:

Mind you he could live in Ilkley and still say he lived in Leeds...

just read a page or so of this tripe and really don't need to read any more as i am sure the other 423 pages are just as bad

you bunch of pathetically sad bastards, do you have nothing better to do with your time than this?

Leeds Troll lives out in the sticks in a village called Yeadon and Leeds No1 lives out on a limb in Harrogate! Both of them don't live in their city.Do you blame them?:?

Maybe he should be called Bradford Troll? :dunno:

Mind you he could live in Ilkley and still say he lived in Leeds...

Yeadon is a suburb of Leeds, and it's still part of the Leeds urban zone, it is also home to LBA. :)

I did note with interest that he disappeared off SSC for a few weeks just after I posted it. He's never been the same since. :lol:

I was watching an interesting programme last night about how the Northern rail network, especially the first ever commercial line between Manchester and Liverpool, powered the beginnings of the industrial revolution, a hugely significant event which conveyed untold riches and power upon these small isles. If you see Monkey posting elsewhere you will notice he is a student of history and intensely patriotic and glowing about the past glories of the UK.

I'm sure Monkey knows how hugely important Manchester and the whole North of the UK was in practically inventing the industrialised world as we know it. How odd then that his petty and downright insulting remarks about Manchester and the North in general seem hopelessly at odds and in complete contradiction to his gracious comments elsewhere in SCC about the UK and its incredible history. He's effectively slagging off in this thread one of the former regional powerhouses which is largely responsible for putting the 'great' into GB, where a concentration of ideas and knowledge gathered momentum in the North and Manchester regions effectively spawning a global revolution that we can see happening in countries from Africa to the up and coming superpowers of Asia.

We probably wouldn't take it too seriously if it were confined to this thread alone but Monkey's anti-Manchester and anti-North vitriol has popped up time and time again over the years in the regional sub-forums. I can only take pity on someone who feels so bitter and personal about somewhere that he can muster the energy to continue his bitter and negative campaigning year after year.

when looking back at old posts, i came across this what Yoshef posted months back and to say this guy is 36, he should know abit better than that. :ohno:



http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=54504799&postcount=6866


personally attacking a person on a skyscraper forum is ridiculous.

why do people never get banned for that?

personally attacking a person on a skyscraper forum is ridiculous.Agreed, 100%.

why do people never get banned for that?Yeah! I wonder too?:ohno:

Lol, the hypocrisy!

just read a page or so of this tripe and really don't need to read any more as i am sure the other 423 pages are just as bad

you bunch of pathetically sad bastards, do you have nothing better to do with your time than this?

You found the time to comment. Sad bastard.

Lol, the hypocrisy!

Not really to be honest with you, i never take piss out of anyone personally in that way, i just joke around a little, i would never take it that personal :ohno:.


Yoshef on the other hand took a picture of Skyscrapercity forumer and took the piss out of him, why did he get away with it i'm sure if i did that to someone on this forum i would of been banned within a flash.

Not really to be honest with you, i never take piss out of anyone personally in that way, i just joke around a little, i would never take it that personal :ohno:.


Yoshef on the other hand took a picture of Skyscrapercity forumer and took the piss out of him, why did he get away with it i'm sure if i did that to someone on this forum i would of been banned within a flash.



Wiggley didn't seem to find it very offensive, in fact IIRC he took it in the spirit it was meant, with good humour. It is also not the first joke poster I've made for him either.

Not really to be honest with you, i never take piss out of anyone personally in that way, i just joke around a little, i would never take it that personal.Really????? Follows are a few examples of Leeds Troll's restraint in resorting to personal attacks.:rofl:

"You're a fat basterd no doubt Sat in your fucking ghetto shed eating mcdonalds, slaging of UK cities for been ugly when in reality your from a shit tip in the US!"

"Your an idiot, your from a shithole in the US??."

"i think your mentally retarded, i even bet you havn't steped foot out of the US, so how the fuck should you know?."

"Ignore the inbreed, hes clueless he doesn't know what day it is never mind knowning anything about British cities."

"Euxtex, why don't you grow the fuck up"

Not to mention telling me to shove the Spinnaker Tower up my arse, I wouldn't have minded if it was said in Humour, would have probably retorted the joke.

Not to mention telling me to shove the Spinnaker Tower up my arse, I wouldn't have minded if it was said in Humour, would have probably retorted the joke.

go read what i put ill tonkso, if you couldn't see that as joke god help you son.

Wiggley didn't seem to find it very offensive, in fact IIRC he took it in the spirit it was meant, with good humour. It is also not the first joke poster I've made for him either.



How do you know he didnt take offence ????

Really????? Follows are a few examples of Leeds Troll's restraint in resorting to personal attacks.:rofl:

"You're a fat basterd no doubt Sat in your fucking ghetto shed eating mcdonalds, slaging of UK cities for been ugly when in reality your from a shit tip in the US!"

"Your an idiot, your from a shithole in the US??."

"i think your mentally retarded, i even bet you havn't steped foot out of the US, so how the fuck should you know?."

"Ignore the inbreed, hes clueless he doesn't know what day it is never mind knowning anything about British cities."

"Euxtex, why don't you grow the fuck up"

I didn't cut your picture out and stick it on another photo as if you were ragging sheep.

I didn't cut you're picture out and stick it on another photo as if you were ragging sheep.Are you aware of how that reads? I didn't pull out your finger nails, brand you with a red hot iron, whip you, amputate your limbs, no, I did none of that. I just beheaded you? Keep it up Leeds Troll you probably do more damage to the image of Leeds than any of it's detractors on these forums.:rofl:

Are you aware of how that reads? I didn't pull out your finger nails, brand you with a red hot iron, whip you, amputate your limbs, no, I did none of that. I just beheaded you? Keep it up Leeds Troll you probably do more damage to the image of Leeds than any of it's detractors on these forums.:rofl:

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The above post was a Score: 60 of 100 for grammer

:lol: not so bright are you.

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The above post was a Score: 60 of 100 for grammer

:lol: not so bright are you.

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The above post was a score: 60 out of 100 for grammar

:lol: not so bright are you?

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Leeds Troll you probably do more damage to the image of Leeds than any of it's detractors on these forums.:rofl:




How can anything i add to this forum effect the image of Leeds? if you judge a city on someone you dislike, then i think you're been a bit narrow minded don't you.

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I pasted that from grammarly, which put it score: 60 of 100. :lol:


Score: 60 of 100
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How can anything i add to this forum effect the image of Leeds? if you judge a city on someone you dislike, then i think you're [you are] been a bit narrow minded don't you.[?]Yes but, unfortunately, people do.

Yes but, unfortunately, people do.

You're is You are :lol:

Not to mention telling me to shove the Spinnaker Tower up my arse.

You'd definately need an operation after doing that... and a considerable amount of painkillers I'd imagine!

Either that of a hell of a lot of Vaseline.

Just pray to god that whoever shoves it up there starts with the pointy end...

That bumpkin from Yeadon is truly being sheep shagged tonight lol.

How can anything i add to this forum effect the image of Leeds? if you judge a city on someone you dislike, then i think you're been a bit narrow minded don't you.

To be fair it doesn't. People simply dislike Leeds for the fact its a shit hole.

Que the reply which includeds all the merits of call centres and a few corner shops :ohno:

To fair it doesn't. People simply dislike Leeds for the fact its a shit hole.

Que the reply which includeds all the merits of call centres and a few corner shops :ohno:

I'm really surprised people actually think it's a shithole. I come from Bradford (a true wasteland) and I really don't see how people think Leeds is that bad? :dunno: May be I've grown a bit of an attatchment to the place in recent years, but Leeds really does have some fantastic qualities - our shopping for one thing. I suppose it's all personal opinion at the end of the day, but Leeds sure isn't as bad as you guys make it out to be.

LEEDS:

Leeds isn't that bad. The negative attitude towards stems almost entirely from a few poor but unfortunately dominant buildings on the skyline and the rotten/egotistical attitude of some of its population whom again are actually a rather noisy minority and almost make up the entire contingent of Leeds forums on here outside of the Leeds section itself where I suspect there are a large number perfectly reasonable forumers. Even the likes of wiggleyleeds are actually not that offensive these days (sorry about all the vendetta's wiggley, although for the record you have been a twat numerous times before). I'm big enough to admit leedstroll is ok too, if he ever showed any signs of being ok which he hasn't so I won't. Twat.


THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE:

Can I just say, looking at two or three people on here slagging each other off back and forth, over and over again about the quality of their spelling and grammar despite none of them being able to spell properly or even show evidence of having a basic grasp of how to write sentences using the English language is quite laughable.

I suppose it's all personal opinion at the end of the day, but Leeds sure isn't as bad as you guys make it out to be.Yes, it is all personal opinion, yes it is, in my personal opinion.:)

I'm really surprised people actually think it's a shithole. I come from Bradford (a true wasteland) and I really don't see how people think Leeds is that bad? :dunno: May be I've grown a bit of an attatchment to the place in recent years, but Leeds really does have some fantastic qualities - our shopping for one thing. I suppose it's all personal opinion at the end of the day, but Leeds sure isn't as bad as you guys make it out to be.

Thank you for that sensible post. i think people on this forum should stop been so sensitive about what's said on the City Talk threads. also i would like to say to you people, will you please stop making these VS Leeds threads there starting to irritate me... :lol: Okay enough said :)

i think people on this forum should stop been so sensitive about what's said on the City Talk threads.:rofl:

"You're a fat basterd no doubt Sat in your fucking ghetto shed eating mcdonalds, slaging of UK cities for been ugly when in reality your from a shit tip in the US!"

"Your an idiot, your from a shithole in the US??."

"i think your mentally retarded, i even bet you havn't steped foot out of the US, so how the fuck should you know?."

"Ignore the inbreed, hes clueless he doesn't know what day it is never mind knowning anything about British cities."

"Euxtex, why don't you grow the fuck up"