What The &uck

You are joking.

OMG. No you cannot post that and even for a second allow anyone to think that is true.

You are taking the piss now!?

dear lord


Fact actually, Hurry up and add something worth while to the argument.

Now that skyline shot, with Beetham tower edited out proves that manchester hasn't got an imposing skyline, it's all down to Beetham for Manchester i'm afraid

That's right, by British standards, that skyline isn't imposing.

http://www.conservativesinmanchester.com/images/homepage.jpg

Thankfully the addition of another 33 storey tower(under construction) and a 52 metre banking HQ(under construction), which probably won't be visible, will finally elevate the Manchester's skyline above the Leeds skyline. :nuts:

Pipe/stick/smoke
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f85/garybaldy/sky-1.jpg

PS. To the left of me you have the '1st phase' of Mediacity aswell.

That's right, by British standards, that skyline isn't imposing.

http://www.conservativesinmanchester.com/images/homepage.jpg

Thankfully the addition of another 33 storey tower(under construction) and a 52 metre banking HQ(under construction), which probably won't be visible, will finally elevate the Manchester's skyline above the Leeds skyline. :nuts:

lol! thats absolute crap! the over photoshopped lights distract you from the actually skyline which there isn't one :nuts:.

Pipe/stick/smoke
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f85/garybaldy/sky-1.jpg

And what the heck is that? :lol: seriously is that the best Manchester can offer for imposing :lol:

lol! thats absolute crap! the over photoshopped lights distract you from the actually skyline which there isn't one :nuts:.

Eh? :lol:

What The &uck

You are joking.

OMG. No you cannot post that and even for a second allow anyone to think that is true.

You are taking the piss now!?

dear lord

You know its true... both you and metrostink went quiet when the facts came out. Leeds' high rise / talls density is more than double that of manchester. Infact.. when we all looked at that data it was about 3 times denser. :)

You know its true... both you and metrostink went quiet when the facts came out. Leeds' high rise / talls density is more than double that of manchester. Infact.. when we all looked at that data it was about 3 times denser. :)

No, I just do not have time to compile the relevant floor heights of both cities.

You are mad as a hatter to say Leeds is more dense...Manchester is hugely more built up, it is stupid to even mention it...I am stunned we are even going here.

It is like comparing Leeds Bradford Airport with Manchester Airport.

It is beyond a joke.

You are a proven liar and this is a continuation of your earlier posts. I pity you.

lol! thats absolute crap! the over photoshopped lights distract you from the actually skyline which there isn't one :nuts:.

No, I swear to God that there is a skyline regardless of the lights. Then again in the world of a lioner, Leeds has a far better skyline. You've posted enough pictures to try and prove that, haven't you.

Wiggs just loves this picture. It really f***'s him off and get's on his tits. I can see why, can't you?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3468/3907729682_b26d04a7d6_b.jpg

Don't forget. Imagine another 33 storey tower and the second phase of Medacity. And just think, not a hill insight, apart from the background. :wink2:

http://static.flickr.com/55/113474372_f53311a9a4_b.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y122/richardjamesbrowning/ManSkylineCisSpin6114.jpg

Not as dense as Leeds?

and your reason for squashing it and not telling anyone is?

try using irfanview and shape-sizing two images. if its "squashed" it I was unaware. I shall re-do it in photoshop (it just takes longer to boot up)

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/danlad/buildings/mancsheff2.jpg

yup, as i thought, still as non descript as each other. which is which, even. ?

No, I swear to God that there is a skyline regardless of the lights. Then again in the world of a lioner, Leeds has a far better skyline. You've posted enough pictures to prove that haven't you.

Wiggs just loves this picture. It really f***'s him off and get's on his tits. I can see why, can't you?

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3468/3907729682_b26d04a7d6_b.jpg

Don't forget. Imagine another 33 storey tower and the second phase of Medacity. And just think, not a hill insight, apart from the background. :wink2:

No can't see why it does, it's nothing special, and how you can class salford docks skyline as manchester is beyond me :lol: why don't you add liverpool while your at it.

http://i4.tinypic.com/23h3d3a.jpg
Wiggs? You've gone?

Not as dense as Leeds?

nope. off the top of my head guessing what was posted (without going back and finding the post),

Leeds has 17 buildings over 60m in the city centre.
Manchester has 24 buildings over 60m within the ring road.

The area that encapsulates leeds' 17 buildings is almost 3 times smaller than the area that encapsulates manchester inner ring road.

There are more buildings in the salford quays area too, however if you include them too, you also lower the density even further.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/danlad/buildings/CityView.jpg

http://i4.tinypic.com/23h3d3a.jpg
Wiggs? You've gone?

Mega, almost Leeds ;)
http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/danlad/buildings/skyline/beeston-12.jpg

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/danlad/buildings/skyline/beeston-2.jpg

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/danlad/buildings/Picturescan011b.jpg

lol! thats absolute crap! the over photoshopped lights distract you from the actually skyline which there isn't one :nuts:.


They're not photoshopped. The star is a common side effect of using a low aperture at night.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=379168&page=12

you're peers disagree

Which pictures are stretched Wiggs? All or none?

You did not say last time...."it's a wolf".

You game is busted.

try using irfanview and shape-sizing two images. if its "squashed" it I was unaware. I shall re-do it in photoshop (it just takes longer to boot up)

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/danlad/buildings/mancsheff2.jpg

yup, as i thought, still as non descript as each other. which is which, even. ?



you weren't aware of the squashing? it must have been a happy coincidence then




anyone with eyes who has been to Manchester and Leeds knows what 'reality' is


here's a photo of member B4mmy's showing some (a good slice, but quite a bit not there too) of Manchester

http://www.virtual-planit.com/CHRIS/man1.jpg

Just spotted the TAGS at the bottom of the screen...who posted them?

wiggley loves boabies, wiggleyleeds has no mates, wiggleyleeds is a loser

Need I say more? Seems his opinions are noted! Arf!

No can't see why it does, it's nothing special, and how you can class salford docks skyline as manchester is beyond me :lol: why don't you add liverpool while your at it.

Who ever said the Manchester skyline was special? Not me. It's you who's saying Manchester doesn't have a skyline. Compared to Leeds, it certainly does.

Not that old chestnut again. Exactly what Wiggs said. When is a skyline not a skyline? When it's the Manchester skyline.(you can't include, :blahblah:)

Does that mean Liverpool can't include the Anglican Cathedral and the observation platform(sorry, forgot it's official title), as they're not located on the Waterfront, like the other buildings? Don't be silly.

Go to any city in the world and a skyline is made up of all the buildings, not just those located in the city centre or the central area.

Originally Posted by wiggleyleeds
try using irfanview and shape-sizing two images. if its "squashed" it I was unaware. I shall re-do it in photoshop (it just takes longer to boot up)
How does that erase Beetham Tower from your picture...a true miracle...Vegas calls!

Who ever said the Manchester skyline was special? Not me. It's you who's saying Manchester doesn't have a skyline. Compared to Leeds, it certainly does.

Not that old chestnut again. Exactly what Wiggs said. When is a skyline not a skyline? When it's the Manchester skyline.(you can't include, :blahblah:)

Does that mean Liverpool can't include the Anglican Cathedral and the observation platform(sorry, forgot it's official title), as they're not located on the Waterfront, like the other buildings? Don't be silly.

Go to any city in the world and a skyline is made up of all the buildings, not just those located in the city centre or the central area.

when it's two different cities it's abit ridiculous and pathetic don't you think?

here's a photo of member B4mmy's showing some (a good slice, but quite a bit not there too) of Manchester



The photo you posted scarcely shows any high-rise bulk, which is what we were atributing to a bulky skyline, +60m buildings, not the historic core or low rise buildings

Not that old chestnut again. Exactly what Wiggs said. When is a skyline not a skyline? When it's the Manchester skyline.(you can't include, :blahblah:)

Does that mean Liverpool can't include the Anglican Cathedral and the observation platform(sorry, forgot it's official title), as they're not located on the Waterfront, like the other buildings? Don't be silly.



You CAN include salford quays in the skyline in front, just as that pic does, to give it any real sense of a clustered skyline, but then DONT moan and say "ohh it shows just how massive the skyline is becayse look how tiny CIS looks". NO. It looks tiny because its 5 miles further into the background away from the forefront salford quays buildings.

Yawn.

Wiggs thinks Leeds is more built up than Manchester..truly hilarious.

Oh well, 103m and 72m on the way up today to add to our low rise centre.

Like the "Knights That Say Nee" Wiggs just will not let it lie.

It looks tiny because its 5 miles further into the background away from the forefront salford quays buildings.

5 miles?!

Nah. Still big city aint it.

Salford Quays is more built up than Leeds

Yawn.

Wiggs thinks Leeds is more built up than Manchester..truly hilarious.

Oh well, 103m and 72m on the way up today to add to our low rise centre.

Like the "Knights That Say Nee" Wiggs just will not let it lie.

Lol, even with that it be pushing it, Leeds adding one tower the size of Beetham would screw Manchester over without out words.

Yawn.

Wiggs thinks Leeds is more built up than Manchester..truly hilarious.

Oh well, 103m and 72m on the way up today to add to our low rise centre.

Like the "Knights That Say Nee" Wiggs just will not let it lie.

Twisting my words. Leeds has sigificantly greater high rise density than manchester. This goes someway to explaining the bulkier more impacting dense skyline clustering.

when it's two different cities it's abit ridiculous and pathetic don't you think?

Please don't talk nonsense. Two different cities. :lol: Manchester City centre to salford Quays, 10 minutes by tram. Manchester to Salford. 1 second.

Go and tell the London forum members that they can't include Canary Wharf as part of the London skyline. They will laugh at you, just like I'm doing.

How far is Canary Wharf from the City? And how long does it take to get between the two locations? Exactly!

http://freespace.virgin.net/sara.goodwins/WebLondonSkyline.jpg

5 miles?!

Nah. Still big city aint it.

Salford Quays is more built up than Leeds

Look at the gap between where CIS building is, and where the mediacity buildings B is..

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/danlad/buildings/manc-scale.jpg

The photo above also shows the width of scale of the photo, 1.3 miles. Bringing the same 1.3 miles from two end points and cropping the photo to the same width, shows both skylines to exact height and scale.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/danlad/buildings/scaled.jpg

Please don't talk nonsense. Two different cities. :lol: Manchester City centre to salford Quays, 10 minutes by tram. Manchester to Salford. 1 second.

Go and tell the London forum members that they can't include Canary Wharf as part of the London skyline. They will laugh at you, just like I'm doing.

How far is Canary Wharf from the City? And how long does it take to get between the two locations? Exactly!

http://freespace.virgin.net/sara.goodwins/WebLondonSkyline.jpg

why do you think they call, one Canary Wharf skyline and the other the City of London skyline? London doesn't claim both skylines has london skyline, surely you know that by now.

Please don't talk nonsense. Two different cities. :lol: Manchester City centre to salford Quays, 10 minutes by tram. Manchester to Salford. 1 second.

I agree with what JRB is saying in theory. A skyline photo showing both adjoining localities is fine, just as you would see in London, where both the city of london, and canary wharf can be in one pic.

However, what is disingenuous about the salford quays photo we are discussing is that one seperate skyline has been put behind the other skyline, with a specific focal length to compress both skylines to appear as if they are together.

Closer to reality actually is this photo below, you can see just how far away and seperate manchester is in the very far background....

http://www.cityofsalford.info/images/Salford.jpg

Look at the gap between where CIS building is, and where the mediacity buildings B is..

The photo above also shows the width of scale of the photo, 1.3 miles. Bringing the same 1.3 miles from two end points and cropping the photo to the same width, shows both skylines to exact height and scale.




Theres likely to be substantial perspective distortion depending on the focal length of the lens, so you can't really compare two photographs like that, unless they're exactly the same focal length...


http://www.skipd.artin.org/24mm_Natural_@2.5%20ft.jpg

http://www.skipd.artin.org/70mm_Cropped_@13ft.jpg

why do you think they call, one canary wharf and one the city skyline? London doesn't claim both skylines has london skyline, surely you know that by now.

Perhaps I'm mssing something here, but to me that's the London skyline. Do I instantly think different districts of London?(ie Manchester/Salford). Of course I don't. :lol:

Wiggs as well.

When you see a full panaoramic sweep of the whole London skyline, which includes numerous seperate districts, as well as being many times wider than the Barton Bridge picture that Wiggs kindly measured :lol:, you still come to the same conclusion.

THE LONDON SKYLINE(if it's good enough for London and numerous other cities around the world with a wide skyline, it's good enough for Manchester. Whoops, Gtr Manchester. :colgate:

you can't really compare two photographs like that

^^ if you notice the pics, ive also aligned to scale the exact heights of the most foremost building. Its about the best one can get without the knowing the focal lengths

Perhaps I'm mssing something here, but to me that's the London skyline. Do I instantly think different districts of London?(ie Manchester/Salford). Of course I don't. :lol:

but yet get a long enough pic that shows the manchester skyline to the right, and the salford quayes skyline to the left, and people will say "ooh thats manchester skyline (the larger right portion)... and oh and look you can see salford quays to the left even too! "

Its the same with this pic.

http://www.cityofsalford.info/images/Salford.jpg

I agree with what JRB is saying in theory. A skyline photo showing both adjoining localities is fine, just as you would see in London, where both the city of london, and canary wharf can be in one pic.

However, what is disingenuous about the salford quays photo we are discussing is that one seperate skyline has been put behind the other skyline, with a specific focal length to compress both skylines to appear as if they are together.

Closer to reality actually is this photo below, you can see just how far away and seperate manchester is in the very far background....

http://www.cityofsalford.info/images/Salford.jpg

Wiggs, my old china tea pot. You can dress it up as much as you want that man. It's still a skyline. Go to any city in the world with a real skyline, New York, Hong Kong, Shanghei, etc, and the same rules apply. Just because buildings are loacated in the foreground, the backgound or to the sides, doesn't mean they can't be included in the overall skyline.

Let's be silly for one split second. Where do you start?

I'll be damned if I can see the city centre. And I wouldn't be able to tell you where one district begins and where one district ends. Regardless, it's still the skyline of Sao Paulo.(or some of it. :lol: )

http://kenraggio.com/Brazil-SaoPaulo4.jpg

oh i deffinately agree with you there. however most people wouldnt say the building right at the front in this photo is the same skyline as beetham manchester miles away in the far background lol.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3015/2625005801_2dfc5596be.jpg

you can dress it up as much as you like ;)

http://www.visitingdc.com/images/statue-of-liberty-new-york.jpg

Probably the worlds most famous skyline shot... but the statue of liberty obviously has fuck all to do with it ;)

oh i deffinately agree with you there. however most people wouldnt say the building right at the front in this photo is the same skyline as beetham manchester miles away in the far background lol.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3015/2625005801_2dfc5596be.jpg

you can dress it up as much as you like ;)

It depends on the location of where the picture was taken from. No? That's a common theme of every skyline shot.

Whether you like to admit it or not Wiggs, from various loacations and angles, that building and those clusters of buildings located around the Quays, 'are' a part of the Manchester skyline. Just like the Anglican Catheral is in Liverpool, and Canary Wharf is in London.

Does this picture of the Leeds skyline do it a disservice? If you think so then you need to get in touch with Dortumd Council and ask them to change it. Not the best first impression/picture of Leeds.(don't ask me how I came across the picture)

http://www.dortmund.de/media/bilder_1/kopfpanoramen/kopfpanoramenklein/Leeds_UK_-_Skyline_PanoramaKlein.jpg

http://www.dortmund.de/en/city_council/town_twinning/leeds_en/index.html

PS. That's it! New keyboard on it's way. This pile of shite is f***ing knackered.

http://www.visitingdc.com/images/statue-of-liberty-new-york.jpg

Probably the worlds most famous skyline shot... but the statue of liberty obviously has fuck all to do with it ;)

I. It's just in the way.

What's the most important building in this picture? If it wasn't there you wouldn't know the city was Paris. Ask any Parisian to exclude it from the skyline shot of Paris because it isn't part of the City centre, and they would kick your English head in.

http://inyaka.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/paris-skyline.jpg

Wigss. Give it up man.

you have to admire the brazenness of wiggleyleeds; caught being deceptive, then lying (I don't believe you didn't realise that photo of manchester had been compressed) to try and explain it, having it pointed out, but just ignoring it and carrying on, I wish I could have such a lack of awareness, must be an advantage in certain situations

ahh right. 2 iconic landmark national icons, purposely set away from the city high rise and the most repreentative icons of both countries. Of course they'll be purposely captured.

If the eiffal tower or the statue of liberty were a small handful of mid rise and low rise buildings, they'd never be put on any pics of either of those skylines. :)

just ignoring it and carrying on, I wish I could have such a lack of awareness,

no ignoring at all. this second image below was done in photoshop and DOESNT have any "squashing". Both places still look equally non descript (which one is manchester and which one is sheffield infact?).

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/danlad/buildings/mancsheff2.jpg

no ignoring at all. the image below was done in photoshop and DOESNT have any "squashing". Both places still look equally non descript (which one is manchester and which one is sheffield infact?)

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/danlad/buildings/mancsheff2.jpg

beside the point

I accuse you of being deceptive (posting the original squashed picture hoping no-one would notice) and a liar (saying you didn't realise it was squashed), do you dispute that?

ahh right. 2 iconic landmark national icons, purposely set away from the city high rise and the most repreentative icons of both countries. Of course they'll be purposely captured.

If the eiffal tower or the statue of liberty were a small handful of mid rise and low rise buildings, they'd never be put on any pics of either of those skylines. :)

Exactly Wiggs.

Regardless of their iconic status, those buildings/statues are still part of their respective Skylines. Nobody looks at either building or statue in isolation when a picture captures either and the city skyline in the background. The same applies to Mediacity. We all know it's Mediacity, and we all know where it's located, but in that picture taken from Barton Bridge Mediacity 'is part of the wider Manchester skyline', even though it's a few miles away and located in the foreground.

As I stated earlier. That picture is eating you up Wiggs.

Exactly Wiggs.

Regardless of their iconic status, those buildings/statues are still part of their respective Skylines. Nobody looks at either building or statue in isolation when a picture captures either and the city skyline in the background. The same applies to Mediacity. We all know it's Mediacity, and we all know where it's located, but in that picture taken from Barton Bridge, Mediacity 'is part' of the Manchester skyline, even though it's a few miles away and located in the foreground.(just like the Eiffel tower picture I posted)

As I stated. That picture is eating you up Wiggs.

Its just a shame that the only way to get both seperate skylines looking like one is to have one miles behind the other, and to use a focal length that compresses the image to look like they are close together. Trouble is, CIS building, city tower, and that other one are all tiny sadly on such a photo.

Which one is Leeds? And which one is Leeds?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Leeds_skyline_2009.jpg/400px-Leeds_skyline_2009.jpg

http://www.dortmund.de/media/bilder_1/kopfpanoramen/kopfpanoramenklein/Leeds_UK_-_Skyline_PanoramaKlein.jpg

We can all do it Wiggs. Pick good and bad pictures of every city skyline. (but you won't catch me or others photoshopping them)

Its just a shame that the only way to get both seperate skylines looking like one is to have one miles behind the other, and to use a focal length that compresses the image to look like they are close together. Trouble is, CIS building, city tower, and that other one are all tiny sadly on such a photo.

No Wiggs. There are plenty of decent skyline shots of Central Manchester. What grates you is that picture shows another angle of the Manchester skyline that Leeds can only dream of having. Leeds has a very compact city centre/inner city centre skyline and nothing else. Manchester has that and a much wider skyline, depending on the location of where the picture was taken from.

As I pointed out to Leeds Troll. The Manchester skyline will have another 33 storey addition very soon, as well a 52 metre banking HQ. Leeds is stuck with what's it's got for the forseeable future and beyond.

I get rich by knowing value.I got rich by recognising a good investment when I saw one. Like now, the "Yankee" buck is dropping and, will continue to do so for awhile, and that increases the price of gold and oil.

NThe Manchester skyline will have another 33 storey addition very soon, as well a 52 metre banking HQ. Leeds is stuck with what's it's got for the forseeable future and beyond.

lets hope it increases its high-rise density then.. it has a long way to go to match leeds :)

ahh right. 2 iconic landmark national icons, purposely set away from the city high rise and the most repreentative icons of both countries. Of course they'll be purposely captured.

If the eiffal tower or the statue of liberty were a small handful of mid rise and low rise buildings, they'd never be put on any pics of either of those skylines. :)
The Lowry bridge and Imperial Point may not be national icons, but they are key geographic markers and an integral part of what people recognise to be Manchester. Skylines are photographed to define cities and that is exactly what these photo's do.

How pedictable... AndrewC pops up to call other people trolls, totally blinded by the fact that his very post itself was troll-like. Come back when you actually make a useful contribution to a thread, I dont think you ever have. You only ever post to goad or insult.

As already said, recently the only time Leeds forumers ever post in here is when on the defensive to dispell the bullcrap that's obsessively spouted about the place by albionfagon, sandblast, and several others.

I make useful contributions to proper threads. Not jokey skybar threads and certainly not a thread (this one) designed solely to keep fuckwits like you off the rest of the forum. :)

Why didn't you say "The irony is hilarious"? :( you're not supposed to leave your fans hanging like that.

lets hope it increases its high-rise density then.. it has a long way to go to match leeds :)

Don't be silly Wiggs.

As we all know city centre building V city centre building height wise, Manchester would slaughter Leeds.

I'd love to see what the Leeds city centre skyline would look like if it's buildings were built on a flat plain like the buildings in Manchester city centre, instead of being built on visible undulating land.

Would there even be a skyline? I think not. :)

I make useful contributions to proper threads. Not jokey skybar threads and certainly not a thread (this one) designed solely to keep fuckwits like you off the rest of the forum. :)

Why didn't you say "The irony is hilarious"? :( you're not supposed to leave your fans hanging like that.

oh christ, its back. slagging off and trolling, yet delusionally trying to claim some moral high ground. the irony is hilarious :)

Don't be silly Wiggs.

As we all know city centre building V city centre building height wise, Manchester would slaughter Leeds.

excluding Betham, it averages roughly about a 10m drop less.

But, i was talking about high rise density, where Leeds really does slaughter manchester, just short of 3 times as dense :)

When Manchester or Birmingham can rival my beloved VQ then we can talk, until then...

You are obsessed by this one solitary Victorian Arcade .... yes it is lovely ... beautiful in fact, a few square metres of 'lovliness' in Leeds ... but it is surrounded by utter shit!

http://www.leodis.net/discovery/images/2003123_316991151.jpg
http://i26.tinypic.com/2hd0411.jpg
http://www.dkp-qs.co.uk/img/fullsize/news51.jpghttp://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/3/16/1268753307936/leeds-kirkgate-market-clo-001.jpg

Victorian Leeds ^^ :lol:

Manchester does have a shit skyline though....i

Wiggley still posting doctored pictures.

Are you Chemical Ali?

We all know what happened to him!

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/danlad/buildings/scaled.jpg

What gets me is that CIS and City Tower are as tall as Leeds' tallest. Yet in Wiggley's doctored photo world they are smaller, half the size!! Beetham is smaller despite being 60m higher!

Thus. Either the Manchester picture is much further away or he has altered the photos again.

Still, not a comparison that's bears scrutiny.

What a wally.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45037000/gif/_45037854_brownbig.gif

Wiggley on a recent visit to Beetham Tower. He looks a broken man to me.

Spot the churches!!


Bridgewater Place 110*m
Sky Plaza 103*m
Opal Tower 82*m
West Riding House 80*m
Park Plaza Hotel 77*m
Tower North Central 77*m
K2 74*m
Cottingley Heights 72*m
Cottingley Towers 72*m
Broadcasting Place 69*m
Candle House 69*m
West Point 65*m
St. Bartholomew's Chur.. 57*m
Church of St. Augustin.. 57*m
St. Chad's Church 57*m
Blue 54*m
City House 52*m
St. Matthias Church 51*m

Please note council tower blocks removed from this list. Not for Leeds.


Beetham Tower 169*m
C.I.S. Solar Tower 118*m
City Tower 107*m
Arndale House 90*m
Manchester Civil Justi.. 81*m
North Tower 80*m

Portland Tower 80*m
3 Hardman Street 75*m
St. Mary's Church 73*m
Great Northern Tower 72*m
Light House 67*m
Cypress Place 65*m
111 Piccadilly 64*m
Albert Bridge House 64*m
10 Rochdale Road 63*m
No.1 Deansgate 62*m
Owens Park Tower 61*m
Chancery Place 60*m
2 Left Bank Apartments 60*m
3 Left Bank Apartments 60*m
Three Piccadilly Place 60*m
Salford Cathedral 73*m
Sovereign Point 66*m
City Lofts Salford Qua.. 61*m
Edge B 60*m
Edge C 60*m
Lowry House 58*m
UNITE Tower 57*m
Holy Name of Jesus Chu.. 56*m
Ramada Renaissance Hot.. 56*m
Parkway Gate Block 1 56*m
NV Buildings Three 55*m
NV Buildings Two 55*m
NV Buildings One 55*m
St. James's House 55 m
No.1 Marsden Street 53 m
82 King Street 52 m
Vallea Court*[Green Quarter] 52 m
Parkway Gate Block 2*[Parkway Gate] 50 m

More than double the number. We have more under construction.....

72m CO-OP
103m Whitworth Street


Sorry, this density of buildings is where?

In addition the average floor of buildings in our urban core is way above Leeds as every sane person knows.

Midland Hotel, St James's House are the 10-12 storey plateau level in the core....

Leeds is much, much lower....

Buildings like No1 Deansgate at 62m are just lost.

Manchester has a skyline...but because our urban core is so dense and high the pinacles are not so pronounced. Couple that with the plain location and hey presto...Wiggley magic occurs and Leeds is more dense than Manchester.

What a buffoon.

The start or our urban core is very pronounced and once inside the `density' Wiggley is so confused about is all around you.
http://www.penninewaterways.co.uk/mbb/mbb214.jpg

It really is very dense and high...all the Spinningfield stuff bar CJC is just part of the mass.

http://www.novaloca.com/images/property/sm_33505_633773308503349188.JPG
Spinningfields just a low density part of a small segment of town for us?

Posted by Jerv
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3088/3358066242_2a0d2254a9_b.jpg

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no1 deansgate is 65m-ish? and the edge buildings 60m? they barely register

Manchester town hall tower is 85m high by the way.by me.

Can you see the 85m Town Hall Clock tower...it would dominate Leeds!

Lost in the Manchester density that Wiggs does not see!

Draw your magic lines Wiggs and you will see how high the `mean' level is for Manchester's core. Big aint it.

Try and see the 80m North Tower...hardly pokes it's head up amongst the general mass of mid-rise density.

I think the 103m Whitworth street tower under construction will be right behind the Town Hall?

The new Co-op 72m under construction will be slap infront of CIS so again will hide the mass of the City Centre behind it.

Salford Quays off camera to right.

Spot the churches!!


Bridgewater Place 110*m
Sky Plaza 103*m
Opal Tower 82*m
West Riding House 80*m
Park Plaza Hotel 77*m
Tower North Central 77*m
K2 74*m
Cottingley Heights 72*m
Cottingley Towers 72*m
Broadcasting Place 69*m
Candle House 69*m
West Point 65*m
St. Bartholomew's Chur.. 57*m
Church of St. Augustin.. 57*m
St. Chad's Church 57*m
Blue 54*m
City House 52*m
St. Matthias Church 51*m



Candle House stands at 75m, :lol: where did you get the results from?



As we've already said, the Manchester skyline isn't no where near as imposing as the Leeds skyline from most possible view points, the sheer amount of Buildings in Leeds in such a small space makes Manchesters fairly spread out skyline look like Nothing, and as much as Mancs like to be the be all end all for just about Everything on this forum, Leeds without any words shits all over Manchester for having such an imposing skyline, and Leeds doesn't have anything close to the height of Beetham tower, which the Manchester skyline without it would be Nothing more than preston..


Now what would Leeds be with a tower the height of Beetham? all the Mancs will cry just thinking about it. :laugh:
http://i840.photobucket.com/albums/zz325/melfiire/SnapShot771.png
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Main Manc Cluster...
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Now what would Leeds be with a tower the height of Beetham? all the Mancs will cry just thinking about it. :laugh:

My oh my... you Loiners love cropping towers out of other peoples skylines and imagining towers into you're own ;) I guess when a Loiner looks at their skyline, this is the image that appears in their head:
http://www.kevinkane.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/china-137513556-hong-kong-light-show.jpg

No wonder you're all so blinkered!

They post a picture of the tallest tower in the regions, alongside two other towers (ONE TALLER THAN THEIR TALLEST) and say no skyline...

Comical.

Two more huge towers on the way for us..one a massive HQ building..does Leeds have any of those...and another 100m+ going up....and still they come back for more....

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/45037000/gif/_45037854_brownbig.gif

Wiggley on a recent visit to Beetham Tower. He looks a broken man to me.

Sure is a broken man, that looks like Brown to me. He's probably thinking "why did we waste so much money on this dump"

I agree. Manchester would have remained a dump no matter how much cash Brown threw at it. It's fundamentally an ugly city, and always will be. Luckily the Tories have ended Manchester's gravy train.

I agree. Manchester would have remained a dump no matter how much cash Brown threw at it. It's fundamentally an ugly city, and always will be. Luckily the Tories have ended Manchester's gravy train.

True. There's even a mill in that picture in post #10320.

Sure is a broken man, that looks like Brown to me. He's probably thinking "why did we waste so much money on this dump"


Then again.

He probably thought.

At least I've left a lasting legacy to a city that has done something with it, and will do something with it in the future.

He then looks into the distance and see's the Liverpool skyline. He sighs. If only that city hadn't wasted £1 billion worth of European Objective One funding, along with similar amounts of funding from successive Governments.

He then get's angry. A f***ing festival garden, and f*** all else to show for it. He screams at the top of his voice.

Don't even go there East. :)

I agree. Manchester would have remained a dump no matter how much cash Brown threw at it. It's fundamentally an ugly city, and always will be. Luckily the Tories have ended Manchester's gravy train.

Once the Olympics are over, your never ending gravy train(see below) will finally hit the buffers.

£10 billion reasons to be grateful to the rest of the country. BTW. How much work went to China? Coe is already making excuses. Just add it to the long and never ending list of excuses.

Then again.

He probably thought.

At least I've left a lasting legacy to a city that has done something with it, and will do something with it in the future.

He then looks into the distance and see's the Liverpool skyline. He sighs. If only that city hadn't wasted £1 billion worth of European Objective One funding, along with similar amounts of funding from successive Governments.

He then get's angry. A f***ing festival garden, and f*** all else to show for it. He screams at the top of his voice.

Don't even go there East. :)

I didn't know you could see Liverpool from Beetham. Is that why people go there?

Any chance of a pic?

You are obsessed by this one solitary Victorian Arcade .... yes it is lovely ... beautiful in fact, a few square metres of 'lovliness' in Leeds ... but it is surrounded by utter shit!

http://www.leodis.net/discovery/images/2003123_316991151.jpg
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http://www.dkp-qs.co.uk/img/fullsize/news51.jpghttp://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/3/16/1268753307936/leeds-kirkgate-market-clo-001.jpg

Victorian Leeds ^^ :lol:

Sandblast I know you are getting older but how many times do we have to tell you, Victoria quarter consists of four arcades. What don't you understand about that?

I fail to see what is wrong with the image of Briggate you posted.

http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/1291/brigate.jpg

The building in the orange circle, truly hideous.
http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/1993/headrow.jpg
It gets even worse on street level
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/1781/69904377.png

This is a crop of the briggate image you posted, lets examine the buildings on the left. Yes Sandbalst these are old buildings, no they don't date back to the 1960's like Birmingham's, further than that.
http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/6020/brigatezoomedinbuilding.jpg

Perhaps the debenham and Zara buildings aren't perfect, but in your own words it is not 'utter shit'
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/6020/brigatezoomedinbuilding.jpg

I'm not even going to talk about the first building posted as it doesn't even exist.

Some of the 'utter shit' Leeds that surrounds VQ.
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http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/4426/69361240.png
http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/5382/97827586.png
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/5614/99721796.png
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/4867/14201771.png
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5954/56895021.png
http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/6734/71695793.png

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/danlad/buildings/scaled.jpg

What gets me is that CIS and City Tower are as tall as Leeds' tallest. Yet in Wiggley's doctored photo world they are smaller, half the size!! Beetham is smaller despite being 60m higher!

Thus. Either the Manchester picture is much further away or he has altered the photos again.

Still, not a comparison that's bears scrutiny.

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You proved exactly what I was explaining to JRB. Using a photo of salford quays superimposed on top with manchester city centre skyline miles away off in the background in a desperate attempt to make it look clustered, THEN moaning that CIS and City Tower are so small and tiny looking.

Those comparative photos are all to scale. The reason why CIS and CityTower are smaller than BWP in the photo is because they are miles away in the background compared to the foremost mediacity buildings. This is the unfortunate nature of the manchester skyline - or lack of, rather.

Leeds and Liverpool are fortunate enought to have all its tall buildings, and midrise buildings all bunched close together. Any shot of manchester will always have some of its key talls so far away in the background that they will appear small.

A skyline isnt what is available as a statistical list of buildings on a sheet of paper.

A skyline is what you see visually.

Yes, manchester may have several talls over 110m. But the problem is, to get all of those talls into one photo to form clustering or to make up a skyline, you'll find some of them are so far in the background they will have little impact, meaning a skyline that isnt so good. Which is why, on every picture of the manchester skyline, someone needs to justify/forgive it by saying "look how small CIS tower is in that pic, this shows just how huge the skyline is! " The reality is, its small because due to the unfortunate topography and spaced out positioning of the talls, ie, lack of highrise density, it lends itself to a an unimpacting skyline.

Some of the 'utter shit' Leeds that surrounds VQ.
http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/1139/82673584.png
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/4426/69361240.png
http://img825.imageshack.us/img825/5382/97827586.png
http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/5614/99721796.png
http://img717.imageshack.us/img717/4867/14201771.png
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/5954/56895021.png
http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/6734/71695793.png

You got to feel sorry for him, He doesn't understand what quality victorian architecture is.... He seems to think good architecture is 1960's concrete slabs for streets. bless him :lol:

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http://i840.photobucket.com/albums/zz325/melfiire/lrg_49998_1263757166.jpg
http://i840.photobucket.com/albums/zz325/melfiire/lrg_54282_1171405187.jpg

its so laughable how leeds folk think they have a skyline that now competes with with manchester, liverpool and brumy, just because a two mediocre towers dominate the skyline, both shorter than mancs second and third tallest respectively

and I dont get this leeds is very dense argument, looks far less dense than manc in the flesh
drove through leeds last year and it looked very mediocre compared to the other cities mentioned

after the hype on here I was looking forward to seeing this skyline

I do like them arcades in leeds though, but the main shopping street looks like deansgate.....bolton that is

its so laughable how leeds folk think they have a skyline that now competes with with manchester, liverpool and brumy, just because a two mediocre towers dominate the skyline, both shorter than mancs second and third tallest respectively

and I dont get this leeds is very dense argument, looks far less dense than manc in the flesh
drove through leeds last year and it looked very mediocre compared to the other cities mentioned

after the hype on here I was looking forward to seeing this skyline

Lol the irony, seriously it doesn't take mega brains to work out Leeds shits all over Manchester for having such an impacting skyline, and how you can say it isn't up there with Liverpool, Manchester or brum is beyond me, open your eyes for a change..

I do like them arcades in leeds though, but the main shopping street looks like deansgate.....bolton that is

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=deansgate+bolton&oe=UTF-8&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Deansgate,+Bolton+BL1,+United+Kingdom&gl=uk&ei=-YPdTPSnAoPJhAfroYzJDQ&ved=0CBsQ8gEwAA&ll=53.57927,-2.43197&spn=0,0.022638&z=16&layer=c&cbll=53.579231,-2.432118&panoid=R92uQ24Jdn2alA4QWTHzmQ&cbp=12,231.85,,0,1.84
:doh: it does and all :|

More than double the number of buildings.

Sorry, this density of buildings is where?

The area that will show the greatest highrise density in manchester is the area within the inner ring road. This cosists of 35 buildings over 50m

zenith building 50m ats site block1 57m pall mall tower 67m
ats site block2 51m minshull st courts 57m jefferson place 70m
82 king street 52m st james building 60m great north tower 72m
no1 marsden street 53m chancery place 60m 3 hardman street 75m
unite tower 55m maths & scnce blng 60m portland tower 80m
bank chambers 55m 1 deansgate 62m CJC 80m
st james house 55m albert bridge 64m north tower 80m
royal exchange 55m skyline central 65m town hall 87m
3 picadilly place 55m tempus tower 64m arndale 90m
leftbank aptmnts 56m 111 picadilly 64m city tower 107m
ramada hotel 56m le meridien hotel 66m cis 118m
beetham 157m



The area that pertains to Leeds city centre is less than half the size of the inner ring road area. It's about a third of the size. Yet, it has 24 buildings over 50m.

lmu block c 50m clarence house 62m sky plaza 105m
whiitehall wtr 50m civic hall 65m BWP 110m
nuffield 50m west point 65m
city house 52m k2 65m
lmu block f 52m town hall 69m
bond court 52m broadcasting place 70m
1 city square 54m candle house 75m
blue 54m tower north 77m
castle house 56m park plaza 77m
parkinson building 57m west riding house 80m
city island 2 61m opal 82m

If we assume the Leeds city centre area is half the size of the area within manchester ring road, this means for manchester to have the same high rise density as Leeds, it would need 48 buildings over 50m.

If we more accurately assume leeds city centre is 1 third the area of the manchester inner ring road, this means there would need to be 72 buildings 50m or over just to have the same highrise density as leeds, instead, it has just 35.

If you want to include all the buildings around salfrod quays and media city, you also massively increase the AREA, thus dropping the density even further.


the average floor of buildings in our urban core is way above Leeds as every sane person knows. Buildings like No1 Deansgate at 62m are just lost.

yes we all know the historic central core pleatue of buildings is several storeys higher than that of leeds, and it is certainly VERY impressive (i love it), but we are talking about highrise density that make up a skyline - the density of tall buildings.

And actualy, No.1 Deansgate is not lost at all. It is a feature of most skyline shots of Manchester, because it does indeed jut above the lower height of the historic core platteau.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/danlad/buildings/skyline/beeston-1.jpg

no1 deansgate is 65m-ish? and the edge buildings 60m? they barely register

Manchester town hall tower is 85m high by the way.

Can you see the 85m Town Hall Clock tower...it would dominate Leeds!

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No1 deansgate and the Edge are indeed visible because they are above the historic core plateau.

The reason they barely register and look small however is because they are so far away in comparison to buildings at the front of the skyline photo. Such is the unfortunate nature of a spaced out low density skyline.

If no1.deansgate (65m) was placed right next to the cis/city tower or whatever theyre called, no.1deansgate would look massive, visible as more than half the height of those 2 buildings, and becoming the 5th highest visible building in the photo despite only being 65m tall.

The town hall is the 4th highest building on that photo. Hardly drowned out.

When is a skyline not a skyline? When Wiggley changes the rule book. :nuts:

That's it! Everyone tear up your skyline rule book. Buildings in the foreground, the background and to the sides, no longer count.(according to Wiggley)

Liverpoool, can you please erase the Anglican Cathedral and the observation tower from the Liverpool Waterfront skyline pciture, as they are in the background, and shouldn't be part of the skyline.

Birmingham. Can you double check if all your buildings are in the city centre, aligned, and aren't situated in either the foreground, background or to the sides.

Leeds, can you remove all your buildings situated on any undulating land, as this gives a false impression of them being much taller than they really are. It also gives an impression of a 'mini dense cluster'.

Can all the SSC forum memebers around the world please get your rulers out and measure your skylines. Once you've done that, you can then use photoshop to try and prove a point. No squashing buildings please.

This is dedicated to Wiggs. Speakers on. (note the drummer in the 'background'. He's not really there and shouldn't be in the band. :banana:)

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Skyline? A Wiggley Illusion? :dunno:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/tuy.jpg?t=1289587253

Liverpool, can you please erase the river Mersey from your skyline picture i remember that one.

To all my Lioner friends. I'm loving your Victorian arcade.(no seriously) I'm also loving you mini cluster, situated on undulating land , thus giving a false impression of being much taller than it really is.

Apart from that, I seriously cannot think of anything else your city has to crow about.

Cue one million and one pictures of the main shopping street in Leeds.

Liverpool, can you please erase the river Mersey from your skyline picture i remember that one.

That was done in jest(messing about) as you well know. I have a sense of humour unlike some forum members. :| Have you go over Mario's sending off and appeal yet?(Mr Serious Guy)

That was done in jest(messing about) as you well know. I have a sense of humour unlike some forum members. :| Have you go over Mario's sending off and appeal yet?

lol still fumeing over it bend the rules for the rich as usual.

When is a skyline not a skyline? When Wiggley changes the rule book.

Seems you keep creating straw arguments. Only the manc forumers are trying to change the rules.. as you have done and thefly. I will explain again...(underlined)

Of course the skyline photo above is a skyline.

There is nothing actually wrong with a photo of salford quays with manchester city centre skyline miles away off in the background to make it look clustered. But you then cant moan that CIS and City Tower are so small and tiny looking and that a comparative photo with another city is not to scale (when it actually is).

That's why media city building B is the 2nd tallest building on that photo, even though it is only 83m tall.

The height of the foremost building in that photo is correctly scaled to the height of the foremost building in the leeds photos below. They're both the same distance out from the foremost building. The fact that the cis building happens to be several miles further back from the foremost building, thus appearing tiny, is the unfortunate nature of very spaced out low density skyline. Just dont deceive by suggesting the photo is miles out, when its not.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/danlad/buildings/scaled.jpg

Apart from that, I seriously cannot think of anything else your city has to crow about. .

no one has been crowing though except the manchester forrumers for the last 20 pages. The only time leeds or liverpool forumers pop up is to point out where youve made mistakes in your crowing.

lol still fumeing over it bend the rules for the rich as usual.

Why would I be fuming over it Tommy? You were the one who brought it up originally and spat your dummy out. :lol: Don't worry Tommy, Mario's only got another two games to go(not 3 as you would have liked), before he can play again. Shame!

PS. Wrong thread. City bashing. Not City bashing. Think about it Tommo.

no one has been crowing though except the manchester forrumers for the last 20 pages. The only time leeds or liverpool forumers pop up is to point out where youve made mistakes in your crowing.

No you posted doctored pictures and then claim a skyline picture of Manchester `does not count'

Famous Italian keeper- 'Buffon'?

no one has been crowing though except the manchester forrumers for the last 20 pages. The only time leeds or liverpool forumers pop up is to point out where youve made mistakes in your crowing.

Funnily enough Wiggs, I could say the same thing. Lioners slagging off Manchester.(as if!) Just like you I'll defend my city. I've no need to big it up first. It can look after itself, especially where Leeds is concerned.

The current prime example being the Lioner boast about the Leeds City Region GVA, being equal to the Manchester City Region GVA, when in fact, it is 'less' than the Greater Manchester GVA.

Point proved and enough said.

The current prime example being the Lioner boast about the Leeds City Region GVA, being equal to the Manchester City Region GVA, when in fact, it is 'less' than the Greater Manchester GVA.

Point proved and enough said.

Too complicated for him.

Make it shapes and pictures...

Perhaps use fruit?

Funnily enough Wiggs, I could say the same thing. Lioners slagging off Manchester.(as if!) Just like you I'll defend my city. I've no need to big it up first. It can look after itself, especially where Leeds is concerned.

The current prime example being the Lioner boast about the Leeds City Region GVA, being equal to the Manchester City Region GVA, when in fact, it is 'less' than the Greater Manchester GVA.

Point proved and enough said.

thats besides the point, my point was the fact on providing imposing and dense skylines, Leeds wins hands down on providing an Imposing skyline, Not to say it's the better Looking skyline but it's got more of a dense urban skyline feel too it which Manchester Lacks due to the huge distance from Each and every tall, i have nothing against Manchester, but when it's non stop spam Manchester this and Manchester that, Leeds isn't up there with Manchester, don't expect Leeds forumers to not come and put you right..

The current prime example being the Lioner boast about the Leeds City Region GVA, being equal to the Manchester City Region GVA, when in fact, it is 'less' than the Greater Manchester GVA.



Erm, have you lost your mind? lol. it was manchester forummers crowing on about manchester for several pages (as per usual) which inlcuded one of them pointing out that the Manchester City Region GVA was as big as Leeds, Sheffield, and Liverpool combined.

I, and several others merely pointed out (correcting the usual horse crap), that one would really need to compare the Manchester City Region GVA with the Leeds City Region GVA, where by theyre about the same. LIke I said, this thread has only really ever been for manchester forumers to, (in a misguided way), crow on obsessively about manchester, where leeds and liverpool forumers correct their inacuracies or misleading assertions. :)

Too complicated for him.

Make it shapes and pictures...

Perhaps use fruit?

And will you shut the fuck up, do you ever add anything to this forum apart from non stop insults?

And will you shut the fuck up, do you ever add anything to this forum apart from non stop insults?

Hmmm you're last post was very informative but factually full of it.

Leeds GVA is not comparable to Manchester's.

Our government stats say so. What are you using?

I've done a Wiggs. :baeh3:

I took 14 seperate pictures of the Manchester skyline from Flickr.(will give credit when I find the picture taker again on Flickr) and photomerged them on my photoshop. I then clicked on the 'Wiggs squash' option on the drop down-menu, and hey presto!

If your interested Wiggs? OT/Salford Quays-Manchester City centre-COMS/Sports City. Not a hill or a piece of undulating land insight. (As flat as mi Mams......cough!) Contrast and compare.

Shall we put this one to bed now Wiggs?(for the sake of SSC)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/MANCHESTER6.jpg?t=1289592069

That's it for now as I've got one or two things to attend too. :tyty:

From the European Bureau of Statistics EUROSTAT, two interesting graphics showing the size of the Greater Manchester economy and other European regions.

The graphs are based on data from 2005, but it gives a nice indication how Manchester compares to the 'rest' of Europe.

The top graph refers to the size of the regional economies in billions of Euros
The bottom graph refers to the percentage of growth of the regional economies.

FYI:
'Randstad' refers to the western provinces of the Netherlands and 'Vlaamse Ruit' to the western part of Flanders in Belgium (Greater Antwerp etc.)

http://www.cbs.nl/NR/rdonlyres/E8ACF40A-C6A0-4125-A567-A762ED00BD50/0/2443g1.gif
http://www.cbs.nl/NR/rdonlyres/9BAB3ACB-D568-4C43-9BAD-7C71A4AA4601/0/2443g3.gif

from 2007

I've done a Wiggs. :baeh3:

I took 14 seperate pictures of the Manchester skyline from Flickr.(will give credit when I find the picture taker again on Flickr) and photomerged them on my photoshop. I then clicked on the 'Wiggs squash' option on the drop down-menu, and hey presto!

If your interested Wiggs? OT/Salford Quays-Manchester City centre-COMS/Sports City. Not a hill or a piece of undulating lan insight. (As flat as mi Mams......cough!) Contrast and compare.

Shall we put this one to bed now Wiggs?(for the sake of SSC)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/MANCHESTER6.jpg?t=1289592069

That's it for now as I've got one or two things to attend too. :tyty:

So, Salford Quays has a better skyline than Leeds.

Well, I knew it..looks like Wiggs does now.

Erm, have you lost your mind? lol. it was manchester forummers crowing on about manchester for several pages (as per usual) which inlcuded one of them pointing out that the Manchester City Region GVA was as big as Leeds, Sheffield, and Liverpool combined.

I, and several others merely pointed out (correcting the usual horse crap), that one would really need to compare the Manchester City Region GVA with the Leeds City Region GVA, where by theyre about the same. LIke I said, this thread has only really ever been for manchester forumers to, (in a misguided way), crow on obsessively about manchester, where leeds and liverpool forumers correct their inacuracies or misleading assertions. :)

Your both wrong then. As they are not the same and will not be the same. I've explained why. When the first city region figures come out, we shall see how far apart they are.

Correct me if I'm wrong Wiggs, but wasn't there six trillion pages of Lioners and Brummies kicking the seven bells out of each other on this thread not so long ago?

Please don't try and make out Leeds and it's forum members are hard done by. Your just as bad and as aggressive as any Manchester forum member. Just for once in your life have the balls to admit it and agree.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Manchester_Police
Greater Manchester Police (GMP) is the territorial police force responsible for law enforcement within the metropolitan county of Greater Manchester, in North West England.
Greater Manchester Police employs; 8,232 police officers, 332 Volunteer Special Constables, 782 Police Community Support Officers, and 4,068 members of police staff. It is the third largest police force in England and Wales after the Metropolitan Police Service and West Midlands Police in terms of warranted officers only, but the second largest after the Met in terms of number of total employees (13,082 versus West Midlands Police at 13,019).[2] The GMP headquarters are at Chester House, Old Trafford.

And Leeds being larger than Manchester must be 2nd behind London.

Oh yes, Leeds beats Manchester on so many levels!

Still struggling with the concept!?

Oh yes, Leeds beats Manchester on so many levels!



but not in high rise density as youve finally conceeded ;)

it does beat leeds in its high rates of crime tho :)

but not in high rise density as youve finally conceeded ;)

it does beat leeds in its high rates of crime tho :)

Well let's let others decide.

Like Intercontinental Hotels with their 55 story tower will show which city is the best then?

ADUG coming soon as well.

How are your talls coming along?

Man Utd v Leeds head to head

HEAD TO HEAD TOTALS
Comp Total Man Utd Leeds Draws
All comps 105 45 25 35
League 92 37 23 32
FA Cup 9 4 2 3


Looks about right?

Manchester 2 Leeds 1.

Half

We are double

You are less

Find me stat, except in your head that Leeds is ahead of Manchester in?

Man Utd v Leeds head to head

HEAD TO HEAD TOTALS
Comp Total Man Utd Leeds Draws
All comps 105 45 25 35
League 92 37 23 32
FA Cup 9 4 2 3


Looks about right?

Manchester 2 Leeds 1.

Half

We are double

You are less

Find me stat, except in your head that Leeds is ahead of Manchester in?

Someones desperate :lol:

In things that actually matter to people,

Less crime, less deprivation, lower unemployment, greater job oppurtunities, larger business financial and legal centre, better access to open country side, quicker rush hour travel times for commuters in to leeds (despite no tram!), better quality of life in quality of life indexes, better high end culture (opera, ballet, theatre), better shopping streets, higher wages.

To normal people, Leeds & Manchester are just as 'desireable' places to live for people looking to relocate, albeit for slightly different reasons.

and yet manchester is one thousand times the city leeds will ever be.

Someones desperate :lol:

Rafa.

Facts

These are facts.

Not Wiggles fantasy.

Show me the facts...post me a link that shows Leeds is ahead of Manny.

You can't because there is not a single one.

Harvey Nicks.got
John Lewis..we have more
Shopping Centre: Out of town...none
Ski Slope..you have none?
Airport terminals
Runways we have 4 you have 1
Football clubs..2 or 10 to your 1 or 2

The list is jut endless

Tallest building 169m? Not in Leeds

What is it with Leeds? Who do you think you are?

Metro system? Big boys? Yup, Leeds no.

Orbital motorway...UK's 3 largest cities..YUP! Leeds no.

Nothing, not a sausage is made , built, located, hovers, walks over, around Leeds better than Manchester.


Arena? Not in Leeds

Aerospace factory..nope not in Leeds.

Hotel rooms, no more in Manchester.

Docks- No none in Leeds.

Tourism, 3 most visited UK city? Leeds? No.

What is it with Leeds?

and yet manchester is one thousand times the city leeds will ever be.

:blahblah: Why don't you Mancs ever have anything to add but nonsense?

Tallest building 169m? Not in Leeds
:lol: Okay now that is rather childish, Tallest Building, how does that make it a great place to live?

Cus it's true.

The whole world knows it.

Show me a stat.

Rafa.

Facts

These are facts.

Not Wiggles fantasy.

Show me the facts...post me a link that shows Leeds is ahead of Manny.

You can't because there is not a single one.

Harvey Nicks.got
John Lewis..we have more
Shopping Centre: Out of town...none
Ski Slope..you have none?
Airport terminals
Runways we have 4 you have 1
Football clubs..2 or 10 to your 1 or 2

The list is jut endless

Tallest building 169m? Not in Leeds

What is it with Leeds? Who do you think you are?

Metro system? Big boys? Yup, Leeds no.

Orbital motorway...UK's 3 largest cities..YUP! Leeds no.

Nothing, not a sausage is made , built, located, hovers, walks over, around Leeds better than Manchester.


Arena? Not in Leeds

Aerospace factory..nope not in Leeds.

Hotel rooms, no more in Manchester.

Docks- No none in Leeds.

Tourism, 3 most visited UK city? Leeds? No.

What is it with Leeds?

Yet sadly, none of those stats are actually particularly meaningful to most people. In things that actually matter to people, leeds has...

Less crime, less deprivation, lower unemployment, greater job oppurtunities, larger business financial and legal centre, better access to open country side, quicker rush hour travel times for commuters in to leeds (despite no tram!), better quality of life in quality of life indexes, better high end culture (opera, ballet, theatre), better shopping streets, higher wages.

To normal people, Leeds & Manchester are just as 'desireable' places to live for people looking to relocate, albeit for slightly different reasons. Stamp your feet and throw your dummy out as much as you like, reeling of endless pages of the greater infratructure that manchester has (that naturally and obviously goes with a larger urban area), its funny seeing u squeel lol

the comparison between leeds and manchester is like the comparison between manchester and london. it's absurd to mention the two places in the same breath.

:lol: Okay now that is rather childish, Tallest Building now what does that make a great place to live?

DuH? It's a Skyscraper forum?

the comparison between leeds and manchester is like the comparison between manchester and london. it's absurd to mention the two places in the same breath.

Exactly.

So far ahead as to be pointless discussing.

We have major international facilities and Leeds has chuff all.

Nada.

We even have twin cities and boy does that drive Wiggles potty!

Even their River is a stream compared with our ocean going ship carrying water course.

Yet sadly, none of those stats are actually particularly meaningful to most people. In things that actually matter to people, leeds has...

Less crime, less deprivation, lower unemployment, greater job oppurtunities, larger business financial and legal centre, better access to open country side, quicker rush hour travel times for commuters in to leeds (despite no tram!), better quality of life in quality of life indexes, better high end culture (opera, ballet, theatre), better shopping streets, higher wages.

To normal people, Leeds & Manchester are just as 'desireable' places to live for people looking to relocate, albeit for slightly different reasons.

only a boring person would choose leeds over manchester.

Exactly.

So far ahead as to be pointless discussing.

We have major international facilities and Leeds has chuff all.

Nada.

We even have twin cities and boy does that drive Wiggles potty!

Even their River is a stream compared with our ocean going ship carrying water course.

so shut up then

only a boring person would choose leeds over manchester.

Or one that isn't a thug...

To normal people, Leeds & Manchester are just as 'desireable' places to live for people looking to relocate, albeit for slightly different reasons.

Leeds has 700,000 less people around it's conurbation than Manchester.

Therefore 700,000 reasons why that statement is, on a measure of any sanity, is wrong.

so shut up then

Nah, `it's so f ckin easy' I want to sing all night.

It is for bashing in here?

the comparison between leeds and manchester is like the comparison between manchester and london. it's absurd to mention the two places in the same breath.

:lol: i love mancs who think Manchester is the world lol!!!

read the post again

This is why Manchester stays ahead of the chasing pack. Not a new Labour Minister insight.(Monkey)

Post 1757.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=570684&page=88

the comparison between leeds and manchester is like the comparison between manchester and london. it's absurd to mention the two places in the same breath.

think about it...

read the post again

Yeah, and What Manchester Is above Leeds, Like london is above Manchester, what bull shit! Manchester is no more important than Leeds or Liverpool...

well, what can i say, you're living in cloud cuckoo land. it clearly is..

manchester is pretty obviously several classes above leeds, as is liverpool. like how new york, paris, london are pretty obviously several classes above liverpool and manchester.

the comparison between leeds and manchester is like the comparison between manchester and london. it's absurd to mention the two places in the same breath.

think about it...

Dream on old chap, what do you think Manchester is :lol:

only a boring person would choose leeds over manchester.

well it seems "boring" people make up just as many people as "non-boring" people, as theyre equally popular places to move to.

for the majority of non-boring people, the general public's non-boring activities means shopping, nightlife, eating out, theatre. Both places are pretty much the same, and as myself, someone from london, there is little to differentiate.

shopping, manchester has the huge fat mall making up its shopping, leeds has the fancy arcades and nice pedestrainised shopping streets, altho in terms of the offering there is not much difference.

nightlife, the similar student populations give a similar vibrancy. Better gay scene in manc tho. Better clubbing nights in Leeds. Freakshow and federation in manc is good tho, even if they are leeds club nights.

eating out, again similar array of restaurants, both paleing into insiginificance cmpared to london.

theatre.. leeds with amongst others its largest repetoir theatre outside london in terms of size and performances is good. however manchester has decent array of theatres too. Its opera and ballet performance are from Leeds' based opera north and northern ballet however.

The only thing i can think of in terms of social activities that determinee boring or not, is that manchester has its arena, whilst leeds' one is currently under construction.

well, what can i say, you're living in cloud cuckoo land. it clearly is..

manchester is pretty obviously several classes above leeds, as is liverpool. like how new york, paris, london are pretty obviously several classes above liverpool and manchester.

In what terms are we talking, Each city has it's strenghs and its weaknesses, the difference from Three is very slim in reality.

in what terms do you know london is above manchester?

those terms.

theatre.. leeds with amongst others its largest repetoir theatre outside london in terms of size and performances is good. however manchester has decent array of theatres too.



Off again!

Palace, Opera House, Lowry, Bridgewater Hall.

Leeds?

Not even close.

2 of those are iconic new builds.

Dream on old chap, what do you think Manchester is :lol:

i think manchester is obviously a class or two above leeds which is an unimpressive place next to manchester which is a fairly impressive place.

well it seems "boring" people make up just as many people as "non-boring" people, as theyre equally popular places to move to.

for the majority of non-boring people, the general public's non-boring activities means shopping, nightlife, eating out, theatre. Both places are pretty much the same, and as myself, someone from london, there is little to differentiate.

shopping, manchester has the huge fat mall making up its shopping, leeds has the fancy arcades and nice pedestrainised shopping streets, altho in terms of the offering there is not much difference.

nightlife, the similar student populations give a similar vibrancy. Better gay scene in manc tho. Better clubbing nights in Leeds. Freakshow and federation in manc is good tho, even if they are leeds club nights.

eating out, again similar array of restaurants, both paleing into insiginificance cmpared to london.

theatre.. leeds with amongst others its largest repetoir theatre outside london in terms of size and performances is good. however manchester has decent array of theatres too. Its opera and ballet performance are from Leeds' based opera north and northern ballet however.

The only thing i can think of in terms of social activities that determinee boring or not, is that manchester has its arena, whilst leeds' one is currently under construction.

Dear God! You should be a full-time comedian Wiggs. You'd get payed for writing stuff like that. :nuts:

Come on, even the most deluded and biased Lioner knows Leeds isn't a patch on Manchester. Not long ago it was Liverpool and Birmingham you were fighting with. Now it's our turn. :lol:

Stop fighting the UK, and people will start taking you Leeds forum members seriously.

in what terms do you know london is above manchester?

those terms.

And what are they then...

Ew, this place is nasty, dripping with vitriol.

Saw your newspaper clippings, Fly. The report I posted was based on 'cash' millionaires. If you want to include millionaires by 'assets' ( houses n shit ) then I'd direct you to the KDB report that ranked Glasgow first outside London, very closely followed by Birmingham, Edinburgh not too far off and Bristol also making the top twenty. So whatever turns you on. I'll leave you to slag the fuck out of each other ;). Bonsoir.

P.S don't drop down to our level, Kids :)

well i think manchester has a better chinatown than london, but apart from that.. every activity and facility you associate with being in a city - london clearly beats manchester hands down. like how manchester beats leeds.

Ew, this place is nasty, dripping with vitriol.

Saw your newspaper clippings, Fly. The report I posted was based on 'cash' millionaires. If you want to include millionaires by 'assets' ( houses n shit ) then I'd direct you to the KDB report that ranked Glasgow first outside London, very closely followed by Birmingham, Edinburgh not too far off and Bristol also making the top twenty. So whatever turns you on. I'll leave you to slag the fuck out of each other ;). Bonsoir.

P.S don't drop down to our level, Kids :)

im not dropping to any level i'm just being realistic. hence why i'm telling fly to fuck off aswell.

Ew, this place is nasty, dripping with vitriol.

Saw your newspaper clippings, Fly. The report I posted was based on 'cash' millionaires. If you want to include millionaires by 'assets' ( houses n shit ) then I'd direct you to the KDB report that ranked Glasgow first outside London, very closely followed by Birmingham, Edinburgh not too far off and Bristol also making the top twenty. So whatever turns you on. I'll leave you to slag the fuck out of each other ;). Bonsoir.

Here he comes Brave Heart. Get that face paint off you nancy boy. :wink2:

You can't piss off now, you've just joined the fray.

Glasgow. Hmmm.........

Come on, even the most deluded and biased Lioner knows Leeds isn't a patch on Manchester. Not long ago it was Liverpool and Birmingham you were fighting with. Now it's our turn. :lol:

Stop fighting the UK, and people will start taking you Leeds forum members seriously.

erm, as always, its YOU and the manchester forrumers with much delusion asserting that manchester is better than anywhere else in every aspect. Youve been doing it for the last 20 pages. Forum memebers from other cities are simply pointing out your mistakes and inaccuracies.

As already pointed out.. in the factors that matter to people, crime, deprivation, unemployment, job oppurtunities, business, financial, and legal centres, access to open country side, rush hour travel times for commuters, quality of life i,high end culture (opera, ballet, theatre), shopping streets, wages, Leeds outperforms Manchester.

..Whilst in the most common non-boring forrays, nightlife, eating out, shopping, theatre, for me a londoner, there is scarecly little to differentiate between the two, theyre both a bit meh, but pretty similar, and not dissimilar to liverpool or birmingham either.

.... But yes, keep dreaming manchester is out in its own league compared to the other regional cities. The only ones who beleive this are some manchester forumers themselves.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/danlad/scale.jpg

here's a diagram for you wiggley.

do you think loughborough university are dreaming?

http://www.diserio.com/gawc-world-cities.jpg

2 of those are iconic new builds.By whose or what criteria? Sydney Opera House, Empire State Building, Goldengate Bridge, Rio's Redemptor Statue, Eiffel Tower, Tieneman Square, Tower Bridge etc., are iconic and they define their location. There is not one building in Manchester that would define the place, not one.

yeh not one but thousands.

erm, as always, its YOU and the manchester forrumers with much delusion asserting that manchester is better than anywhere else in every aspect. Youve been doing it for the last 20 pages. Forum memebers from other cities are simply pointing out your mistakes and inaccuracies.

As already pointed out.. in the factors that matter to people, crime, deprivation, unemployment, job oppurtunities, business, financial, and legal centres, access to open country side, rush hour travel times for commuters, quality of life i,high end culture (opera, ballet, theatre), shopping streets, wages, Leeds outperforms Manchester.

..Whilst in the most common non-boring forrays, nightlife, eating out, shopping, theatre, for me a londoner, there is scarecly little to differentiate between the two, theyre both a bit meh, but pretty similar, and not dissimilar to liverpool or birmingham either.

.... But yes, keep dreaming manchester is out in its own league compared to the other regional cities. The only ones who beleive this are some manchester forumers themselves.

http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh78/danlad/scale.jpg

As already pointed out.. in the factors that matter to people, crime, deprivation, unemployment, job oppurtunities, business, financial, and legal centres, access to open country side, rush hour travel times for commuters, quality of life i,high end culture (opera, ballet, theatre), shopping streets, wages, Leeds outperforms Manchester.


Rush hour travel times. :lol:

same old, same old.

business, financial, and legal centres,

Change the record Wiggs. As I've pointed out to you on numerous occasions, none of those sectors in Leeds impact on Manchester whatsoever. Manchester has it's own business, financial and legal sectors/centres. What goes on in Leeds in those sectors has no affect on the same sectors in Manchester. Please get that into you ever decreasing brain.

Let's talk about the ecomomy Wiggs. Who has the bigger economy? Who has the fastest growing economy? And who will have an even bigger economy when the City Region kicks in? Who has had more inward and foreign investment and jobs created during this on going recession Wiggs? I posted numerous figures a few months back. Let's talk about the knowledge sector Wiggs. A driver. (while banking is on it's arse) Let's talk about Business and Office take up Wiggs. While Manchester is close to 1mill sq ft let in 2010 again, Leeds is around the 250-350,000 sq ft mark.(I stand corrected) Let's talk about office construction and building construction in general. Going on all over Manchester. Leeds. A big fuck off 'STALLED' sign greets visitors as they enter the outskirts of the city. Let's talk about the Media sector Wiggs.(I love talking about that) I take it you've heard of the BBC and Mediacity? Has Leeds got a media sector? Let's talk about transport Wiggs. A city wide Metrolink network being built(what happened to the one planned for Leeds?), as well as an intergrated city wide transport network. Let's talk about our airports Wiggs. Manchester is turning the corner. It's business travel and cargo is up. It's bucket and spade has pissed off to JLA, where Ryan Air doesn't pay any fees. Let's talk about shopping Wiggs. More deparment stores in Manchester. More highend retailers in Manchester. More shops and shopping centres(Trafford Centre) in Manchester. Let's talk about theatres Wiggs. Too many too mention.(Lowry X2, Contact, Royal Exchange, Library, Palace Theatre, Opera house, etc) Let's talk about orchestras. The world famous Halle.(Britain's longest-established permanent professional symphony orchestra) What about the BBC Philharmonic. Based in Manchester and about to move to Mediacity. Did I mention Chets. Again, about to get a new school and concert hall in the city centre. Sport. There's no point. Does it exist in Leeds? Manchester University. Don't even go there. Leisure.(night life, concerts, family attractions, etc) Better head over to Manchester for a proper day out. Countryside. Does Cheshire ring a bell? Super Casino site. I haven't go a clue. Nobody has. It's under lock and key. Not a sniff. Just wait. Crime. Yes it's not good, but the latest figures show a drop in crime. GMP is tackling it. Deprivation. Didn't you try and make out Leeds didn't have any a while back? Sure it was you. Please! Yes Manchester has deprived areas, theres no getting away from that fact, but many of those areas have had investment ploughed into them and have changed for the better. But there is still plenty of work to be done. Just like any other city, including Leeds.(see, I can admit Manchester's failings, unlike yourself when it comes to Leeds.

I could go on, but that paragraph is long enough. :lol: :nuts: TBH Wiggs I like you, but you haven't got a f***ing clue. Honestly. You churn out the same old lines time after time, week after week, and year after year(law, banking, shops, Jimmy Grimble, :blahblah:), but your posts never contain any substance, up to date information or relevant facts. I'm sure you remember the last time we had a spat.(office take up) This is heading the same way. There's only going To be one winner once again. And it ain't you matey.

:master: oh Manchester, how can we have ever of doubted Manchester's mega importance in the universe. :rofl:


:master: all hail mega Manchester

you're an idiot. i'm not saying manchester is amazing. it's just obviously more of a city than leeds. i don't like london but i accept that it appeals to more people than manchester does.

you're an idiot. i'm not saying manchester is amazing. it's just obviously more of a city than leeds. i don't like london but i accept that it appeals to more people than manchester does.

give it a rest, the only idiot is you and your delusion mate, This is why the Leeds forumers have thrown some shit back, the arrogance from the mancs on this forum is hilarious.

have you ever been to manchester? are you nuts?

have you ever been to manchester? are you nuts?

No i haven't even left the house :nuts:, yes obviously i have.

well, i don't believe you. sorry.

i think even wiggley has even admitted that manchester is a class (whatever that means) above leeds. he doesn't say "i think leeds is better than manchester" he says "leeds is more desirable in a. b. c. and d."

i don't want to live in manchester.

well, i don't believe you. sorry.

i think even wiggley has even admitted that manchester is a class (whatever that means) above leeds. he doesn't say "i think leeds is better than manchester" he says "leeds is more desirable in a. b. c. and d."

I wasn't asking you to believe me i couldn't even give a fuck if you believe me or not. :lol:

you're an idiot. i'm not saying manchester is amazing. it's just obviously more of a city than leeds. i don't like london but i accept that it appeals to more people than manchester does.

It's all relative. Facts take too much precedence on this forum, and -admittedly- on most occasions Manchester beats Leeds. But that doesn't mean you will get a better life in Manchester, in theory yes but otherwise no.

Some of the Manchester posters hate to admit it, but, Leeds, Birmingham & Manchester are all regarded as the 2nd tier cities. Facts don't mean anything, Leeds has a decent reputation amongst most of the public. More so than Birmingham and to a lesser extent Manchester.

i'm not saying you get a better life in manchester. i don't want to live in london either.

OK. for anyone who looks close enough, there are more tiers there, and i think most people in the country and maybe europe would accept that manchester, in this league of cities that in some ways is obvious and others not, is obviously above leeds. (i didn't mention any other regional city)

It's all relative. Facts take too much precedence on this forum, and -admittedly- on most occasions Manchester beats Leeds. But that doesn't mean you will get a better life in Manchester, in theory yes but otherwise no.

Some of the Manchester posters hate to admit it, but, Leeds, Birmingham & Manchester are all regarded as the 2nd tier cities. Facts don't mean anything, Leeds has a decent reputation amongst most of the public. More so than Birmingham and to a lesser extent Manchester.

That's a really vague thing to say and one that is completely unprovable.

I would say that Leeds isn't really thought of as a major city by many people, it is growing in stature and has many enviable statistics which show it's doing well for itself but it'll take a while for it to be really recognised as a powerhouse. I tend to judge cities by their international recognition, not some student chart, Leeds is above Turin(and Liverpool for that matter) but I doubt anyone would think of Leeds as more of a 'city' than Turin.

LOL I see Leeds and Manchester are in a ferocious life and death struggle for the accolade of "ugliest and most depressing city in Europe". Imo they're both ugly and depressing, but people in Leeds have got to be a bit more civilized than the Mancunian oiks. I also think Leeds Town Hall is better than any building in Manchester.

leeds town hall is the most impressive building in leeds without a doubt, but its not as impressive as manc town hall with its larger clock tower.. imo

apart from the clock tower being a little wider in leeds, its looks remarkably like bolton town hall,infact leeds city centre reminds me of a slightly larger version of bolton, really it does.

:master: oh Manchester, how can we have ever of doubted Manchester's mega importance in the universe. :rofl:


:master: all hail mega Manchester

Yes, kneel before thy northern capital and worship:hahaha::)

i don't represent manchester. i'm pretty sure a few posts back i said 'i dont want to live in manchester'

i just recognise like most unbiased people that it's a better/more important/more well known city. there's no argument.

Manchester has long been an important economic and cultural centre for the uk. Leeds has never really been that, I know people think I'm biased against Leeds and I probably am a bit but I think most people would say that Leeds has never been at the forefront of anything economically or culturally in this country. Sheffield has produced far more in terms of culture than Leeds ever has.

This is Leeds' highpoint in history, riding a wave of call centres and trainee solicitors and good look to them but it's got a long way to go to be considered a great city.

i just recognise like most unbiased people that it's a better/more important/more well known city. there's no argument.

Well in that case then Manchester is i'ver doing badly for it's size or Leeds is punching well above it's weight, Leeds forumers are not aruging that Leeds is above Manchester we are pointing out that all this crowing about how Leeds is nothing at the side of Manchester is untrue, Leeds has a big importance in the North if not just as big of an importance as Manchester in some cases, all depending on which way you look at it, but i don't really see Manchester to be any more important than Liverpool or Leeds in alot of respects, i'm sure Leeds and liverpool can offer alot that Manchester can't offer so on and so forth. but the Manc forumers really need to stop crowing and stop being so big headed on this forum :ohno:

Yes, yes, the Mancs are a bit big headed. It's the provincial city du jour though so who can blame them?

Infrastructure is always the best judge of a cities credentials imo and Manc and Brum have stolen a march on the rest of us in that respect. Massive airports and some trams to boot...

Liverpool has potential though. We're a direct Merseyrail link to an expanded airport away from being an attractive place to do business.

Manchester has long been an important economic and cultural centre for the uk. Leeds has never really been that, I know people think I'm biased against Leeds and I probably am a bit but I think most people would say that Leeds has never been at the forefront of anything economically or culturally in this country. Sheffield has produced far more in terms of culture than Leeds ever has.

This is Leeds' highpoint in history, riding a wave of call centres and trainee solicitors and good look to them but it's got a long way to go to be considered a great city.

Leeds is a relatively new city when it comes to regeneration etc, Manchester has been improving itself since the early nineties. Compare that to Leeds which has started in the late nineties/ late naughties.

You can't deny Leeds has done very well for it self over the last decade.

LOL I see Leeds and Manchester are in a ferocious life and death struggle for the accolade of "ugliest and most depressing city in Europe". Imo they're both ugly and depressing, but people in Leeds have got to be a bit more civilized than the Mancunian oiks. I also think Leeds Town Hall is better than any building in Manchester.

How is the likes of the Corn Exchange, Victoria quarter or the many arcades in Leeds add to the title of 'ugly and depressing'?. Any city in the world; London, Paris, New York would love to have VQ & the Corn exchange.

oh christ, its back. slagging off and trolling, yet delusionally trying to claim some moral high ground. the irony is hilarious :)

Look around you mate, I'm not the one with a +10,000 post thread which could loosely be summed up as "wiggleytroll vs the world/reality". Stop being so deluded/pathetic/a worthless waste of a human life.

Chant "AndrewC is a troll and the Irony is Hilarious" a million times if you like, but does it keep you warm at your computer desk for the hours on end you spend here?

:happy:

Well in that case then Manchester is i'ver doing badly for it's size or Leeds is punching well above it's weight, Leeds forumers are not aruging that Leeds is above Manchester we are pointing out that all this crowing about how Leeds is nothing at the side of Manchester is untrue, Leeds has a big importance in the North if not just as big of an importance as Manchester in some cases, all depending on which way you look at it, but i don't really see Manchester to be any more important than Liverpool or Leeds in alot of respects, i'm sure Leeds and liverpool can offer alot that Manchester can't offer so on and so forth. but the Manc forumers really need to stop crowing and stop being so big headed on this forum :ohno:

you still think i'm being biased..

i don't know what more i can do to you to prove i am being completely rational. i've consistently put down manchester, i've said it's not a place i see myself in the future. what more do i need to do to validate my opinion? if i lived in london and said that london is obviously a more important city than manchester when somebody suggested otherwise would i be a biased londoner? i don't understand how i'm being big headed..

here's a diagram for you wiggley.

do you think loughborough university are dreaming?

http://www.diserio.com/gawc-world-cities.jpg

Why's Birmingham in both Gamma- and Sufficiency?

Oh well Gamma- + Sufficiency = Alpha+++ :pepper:

Sheffield has produced far more in terms of culture than Leeds ever has.

More number one hits.

if people can't fathom the idea that someone might have a rational opinion then surely this thread is just moot? obviously because everyone is an insane loser no one will ever win an argument, no one will ever be brought round to anothers way of thinking. so sorry, i don't know why i bothered to be honest. i should've just ignored wiggley's lunatic post and left it to the other lunatic the fly.

am i being a romantic here or was there a time when there were (bar this thread obviously) decent threads in city talk. sebo has been banned now. isaac hasn't posted here for a while, boards has been out for ages. yoshef has been off form a bit. bring back sebo!

Why's Birmingham in both Gamma- and Sufficiency?

Oh well Gamma- + Sufficiency = Alpha+++ :pepper:

Nah i reckon Birmingham, Alabama brings down worldwide Birmingham's average to high sufficiency :cheers:

am i being a romantic here or was there a time when there were (bar this thread obviously) decent threads in city talk. sebo has been banned now. isaac hasn't posted here for a while, boards has been out for ages. yoshef has been off form a bit. bring back sebo!

Yeah, I know what you mean, there were a few others who don't seem to get involved anymore too, Delirium, Bachy, Crusty (who left). Tony started most of the more interesting threads. It's all a bit childish now.

Not meaning to get involved in this debate too much, but I thought i'd contribute anyway. Manchester has everything you need judging by this Saturday. I took the train from Piccadilly Station to Manchester Airport to pick up my mate who had a direct flight in from Atlanta (1 hour and a 45 mins round trip for me including a wait in the terminal). Went shopping for most of the day, which he was very impressed with,;saw David Haye outside Kendals with his bodyguards and soon after Lennox Lewis near the Radisson; went to Old Trafford and Mediacity on the tram. Ate in Chinatown, then went to watch world class boxing at the Arena (albeit over in three). Perfect day. Not a lot of people could say they had an easier Saturday than that in terms of entertainment value, travel times etc in this country bar London. Peace.

You're a bloke and you took your mate shopping? Minus 1,000 man points.

Ahh, but then I went to see boxing. What was you doing on Saturday? Watching X-Factor no doubt. Don't lie mate. Forced to sit down watching it with your wife/girlfriend, or even worse, by choosing to yourself. Either that or that celeb dancing show. Peace.

Brake it up ladies :rofl:

Ahh, but then I went to see boxing. What was you doing on Saturday? Watching X-Factor no doubt. Don't lie mate. Forced to sit down watching it with your wife/girlfriend, or even worse, by choosing to yourself. Either that or that celeb dancing show. Peace.

Haha, touché.

Though tbf I sat drank lager and watched MOTD, which is about par for man points.

Look around you mate, I'm not the one with a +10,000 post thread which could loosely be summed up as "wiggleytroll vs the world/reality". Stop being so deluded/pathetic/a worthless waste of a human life.

Chant "AndrewC is a troll and the Irony is Hilarious" a million times if you like, but does it keep you warm at your computer desk for the hours on end you spend here?

:happy:

Im not sure what is worse, people appropriately engaging in city banter on a city bashing thread, or a snide arsehole who jumps in every 10 posts, completely unprovoked, to personally bash people in the thread, whilst delusionally trying to claim some moral high ground :|

go away ffs

Went out in Manchester for a night out Saturday. I think the size of the city centre works against it in terms of ease of getting around, and we ended up traipsing the streets for rather too long as a result. Quite a lot of rather generic and uninspired bars too. Ended up in the Northern Quarter eventually, which wasn't too bad. Much prefer the clustering you get in more compact centres such as Leeds and Nottingham, however.

leeds town hall is the most impressive building in leeds without a doubt, but its not as impressive as manc town hall with its larger clock tower.. imo

apart from the clock tower being a little wider in leeds, its looks remarkably like bolton town hall,infact leeds city centre reminds me of a slightly larger version of bolton, really it does.Manchester Town Hall is bettered by loads of neo-gothic buildings in London and elsewhere. Leeds Town Hall is unique. Come on admit it. Leeds Town Hall is better than any building in Manchester. :)

:stupid:

The monkey speaks sense. Leeds Town Hall is truly magnificent :)

Yes, indeed, but one has to go further than to merely say "Leeds Town Hall is magnificent". One has to be blunt with Mancs (they're incapable of subtlety) and tell them that it's better than theirs (and it is). Leeds Town Hall is better than any building in Manchester. That's the salient point. :)

Here's another ten British cities, in no particular order, that spank Manchester architecturally:

01) London
02) Oxford
03) Cambridge
04) Edinburgh
05) Liverpool
06) Glasgow
07) Bath
08) Bristol
09) Lincoln
10) Canterbury

And yet when one suggests that Manchester is not in the top ten British cities for architecture, the Mancs get all upset. Why? It's so obviously true! Manchester has never succeeded architecturally....

Here's another ten British cities, in no particular order, that spank Manchester architecturally:

01) London
02) Oxford
03) Cambridge
04) Edinburgh
05) Liverpool
06) Glasgow
07) Bath
08) Bristol
09) Lincoln
10) Canterbury

And yet when one suggests that Manchester is not in the top ten British cities for architecture, the Mancs get all upset. Why? It's so obviously true! Manchester has never succeeded architecturally....

Well, we can just stick with:
Town Hall
Lowry
Imperial War
Town Hall
Library
CJC
Palace
Midland Hotel

Which is not a bad mix of buildings in my book.

I'll live with our view of our city and indeed the foreign investors. Seems like we are going places.. just like the Emperor we feed on your anger & hate. You're posting merely confirm how strong we have become..etc....

Thanks Monkey, just like United, we love being hated...more fuel for the fire son!

Im not sure what is worse, people appropriately engaging in city banter on a city bashing thread, or a snide arsehole who jumps in every 10 posts, completely unprovoked, to personally bash people in the thread, whilst delusionally trying to claim some moral high ground :|

go away ffs

I think you are worse cos you iz a cunt.Innit! I love you really wiggley.

Shit, didn't wait ten posts! :(

The irony is hilarious.

I bet you reply to this you wazzack.

Here's another ten British cities, in no particular order, that spank Manchester architecturally:

01) London
02) Oxford
03) Cambridge
04) Edinburgh
05) Liverpool
06) Glasgow
07) Bath
08) Bristol
09) Lincoln
10) Canterbury

And yet when one suggests that Manchester is not in the top ten British cities for architecture, the Mancs get all upset. Why? It's so obviously true! Manchester has never succeeded architecturally....

I would agree with that list, though I'd probably put York in the top 10.

I don't think this means Manchester is paritcuarly ugly, though it's certainly not a beauty, it's just testament to how strong architectual offering across the country.

For what it's worth I much prefer Manchester town hall to Leeds town hall, in fact it's arguably the finest of all the core cities.

For all Liverpool's beautiful architecture the town hall is a bit of a let down.

For what it's worth I much prefer Manchester town hall to Leeds town hall, in fact it's arguably the finest of all the core cities.

For all Liverpool's beautiful architecture the town hall is a bit of a let down.

A let down? what!? Its a fine example of 18th century civic architecture.

For what it's worth I much prefer Manchester town hall to Leeds town hall, in fact it's arguably the finest of all the core cities.

For all Liverpool's beautiful architecture the town hall is a bit of a let down.



Because its small and dirty?

The dome's beautiful inside.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lordmayorliverpool/3827651412/sizes/l/in/faves-48921129@N02/
^^

Because its small and dirty?

Primarily, yes. I'm sure in it's pomp it was a fine building and, stood in the square behind it is quite a fine building but it looks decrepid and mouldy from the front.

[QUOTE=albionfagan;67159105]For what it's worth I much prefer Manchester town hall to Leeds town hall

i think a lot of forummers agree, manc town hall was ahead in a poll of best town hall, people are not stupid, they know a good building, thats not to say leeds is a bad one ,just a slighty bigger version of bolton town hall really, which is quite nice

Here's another ten British cities, in no particular order, that spank Manchester architecturally:

01) London
02) Oxford
03) Cambridge
04) Edinburgh
05) Liverpool
06) Glasgow
07) Bath
08) Bristol
09) Lincoln
10) Canterbury

And yet when one suggests that Manchester is not in the top ten British cities for architecture, the Mancs get all upset. Why? It's so obviously true! Manchester has never succeeded architecturally....
:lol: I am not manc, I dont get upset at what YOU state which is just laughable crap .I actually live closer to liverpool

you cant deny manchester has an impressive mix of old and new which is not really replicated anywhere in the same scale in a provincial place

barring liverpool , glasgow and maybe edinburgh(which is boringly uniform) there are some large magnificent buildings scattered around manchester that are more impressive than those' pretty postcard' small town places you mention there:yes:

and whats the obession with manchester ,everytime i see a post with the name langur on its always has the word' manchester'in there, you sad little person, you are obviously narked at its susscess and how its become the second city of the uk:colgate:

Just look at where it sits on the list of world cities posted early...oooo that must leave bitter taste of boddingtons in the mouth:cheers:

[QUOTE=albionfagan;67159105]For what it's worth I much prefer Manchester town hall to Leeds town hall

i think a lot of forummers agree, manc town hall was ahead in a poll of best town hall, people are not stupid, they know a good building, thats not to say leeds is a bad one ,just a slighty bigger version of bolton town hall really, which is quite nice

Just a slightly bigger version of Bolton? To me it looks like a smaller version of the Leeds town Halls base and a smaller version of the Manc town hall clock tower?

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/1621LeedsTownHall_pic1.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Bolton_Town_Hall.jpg

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/t.woof/gen/mcr_town_hall_3598e_txt.jpg

Went out in Manchester for a night out Saturday. I think the size of the city centre works against it in terms of ease of getting around, and we ended up traipsing the streets for rather too long as a result. Quite a lot of rather generic and uninspired bars too. Ended up in the Northern Quarter eventually, which wasn't too bad. Much prefer the clustering you get in more compact centres such as Leeds and Nottingham, however.

Pint of bitterness for this gent. But Manchester IS compact. You can walk around the core city in about 45 mins, and from end to end in under 20, and is extremely navigable. And like every city across the land, it takes time to find the decent areas to go out and the shortcuts to take. Maybe you should save your review for Tripadvisor. I admit Manchester needs more and better bars and venues, but I've been disappointed with all my nights out in other cities recently. Glasgow was disappointing, Edinburgh too. Leeds is like a night out in Oldham - too many slopes and splappers ;0

I'd have to agree with Oscar. There isn't another Provincial City(God I hate that), that has a better mix of old and new architecture. The other 3 main players(Liverpool, Glasgow and Edinbrugh(?)) can fight it out for the best old architecture award.

As for Monkey. He has (£)10 billion reasons to like Manchester and the rest of the country for financially propping up the London 2012 Olympiss(take). No that isn't a spelling mistake. :colgate:

[QUOTE=oscar9;67169605]

Just a slightly bigger version of Bolton? To me it looks like a smaller version of the Leeds town Halls base and a smaller version of the Manc town hall clock tower?

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/1621LeedsTownHall_pic1.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Bolton_Town_Hall.jpg

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/t.woof/gen/mcr_town_hall_3598e_txt.jpg

Look away now. :cripes:

http://www.richard-seaman.com/Travel/UK/London/Highlights/LondonTownHall.jpg

[QUOTE=Leeds Troll;67171321]

Look away now. :cripes:

http://www.richard-seaman.com/Travel/UK/London/Highlights/LondonTownHall.jpg

rofl! :lol:

You would expect that to be a small office block, but a Town hall :no:

BIRMINGHAM ....

Of course ... Birmingham can go one better ....

TOWN HALL

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2145/3620038943_eb58b552e0_b.jpg


COUNCIL HOUSE

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt120/Bieb1983/United%20Kingdom/69.jpg

MUSEUM & ART GALLERY
http://www.galinawalls.co.uk/blog/birm1/birm1_006.jpghttp://www.door2tour.com/App_Themes/D2T/images/TravelGuideMediaFiles/Big/2257.jpg

Greetings from Birmingham!

BIRMINGHAM ....

Of course ... Birmingham can go one better ....

TOWN HALL

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Is that the Roman Empire section in Disney land by any chance? As it has no relevance to the architecture of great Britain back then. If you look at Leeds, Manchester etc the Town Hall's are all unique, what is unique about Brums town hall?

nope.

leeds town hall > manchester town hall > birmingham town hall

brum town hall looks like something from disney land, or alton towers, or vegas, mock classical or whatever

well, they're different styles of building so there you go. you can't say > is > anything like that.

i will say that i really don't like the pure greek/roman revival of birmingham town hall, it just doesn't fit i don't think. it never looks english. hate the gaudy rustication at the bottom and the lack of an opening ?

what's the natural stone of Birmingham?

Is that the Roman Empire section in Disney land by any chance? As it has no relevance to the architecture of great Britain back then. If you look at Leeds, Manchester etc the Town Hall's are all unique, what is unique about Brums town hall?

It's what the great cities of the mid to late 19th Century were building ....

http://www.freewebs.com/mulctuarymoneymanagement/bank-of-england.jpg

http://www.londoninfo.hu/images/Bank%20of%20England.jpg

.... including London ^^ :nuts:

That's like saying the Bull-Ring or the Arndale are great because that was what they were building then (including London).

Hmm.

Nah.

well i was gonna say. those buildings have a character as if they're not just copied directly from a history book and are completed with a bit of english eccentricity and flamboyance. like the georgian terrace which, whilst obviously having classical ideas behind it, you wouldn't find in the ancient world. i just think it lacks character a bit.

Manchester Town Hall is truly great...because of the details inside. It is stunning as even Mr Paxman said on his `Victorian' series.

Birmingham Town Hall & Leeds are much more functional buildings with no unique interior features.

Outside, Brum works because it fits in with it's location, likewise Manchester. I have no idea of the immediate surrounds in Leeds.

well, they're different styles of building so there you go. you can't say > is > anything like that.

i agree with that, it was just my personal opinion. However, it wasnt based on subjective like, but rather whether there are more impressive buildings about of that type of style.

Love this painting of inside Leeds town hall. Looks the same as it did then now.
http://www.watercolours-drawings.com/stock/large/105.jpg

:lol: I am not manc, I dont get upset at what YOU state which is just laughable crap .I actually live closer to liverpool

you cant deny manchester has an impressive mix of old and new which is not really replicated anywhere in the same scale in a provincial place

barring liverpool , glasgow and maybe edinburgh(which is boringly uniform) there are some large magnificent buildings scattered around manchester that are more impressive than those' pretty postcard' small town places you mention there:yes:

and whats the obession with manchester ,everytime i see a post with the name langur on its always has the word' manchester'in there, you sad little person, you are obviously narked at its susscess and how its become the second city of the uk:colgate:

Just look at where it sits on the list of world cities posted early...oooo that must leave bitter taste of boddingtons in the mouth:cheers:I'm ashamed, so ashamed, when I hear Manchester proclaimed as Britain's 2nd city. This is a great country, and you just don't deserve that title. You're not good enough. The "pretty little postcard" places you describe (I imagine you're referring to my listing of Oxford, Cambridge, Lincoln, Canterbury, Bath, etc) piss all over Manchester's architecture from a great height. You're not a hair on their arse. Lincoln or Canterbury cathedrals alone have infinitely more architecture and beauty than your entire city. What have you got to rival the gorgeous quadrangles of honey coloured gothic stone, and skyline of dreaming spires, to rival Oxford or Cambridge? What have you got to rival Bath's Circus, Crescent, or Roman Baths? They piss all over you too. Your architecture is shit. Manchester is simply a largeish concentration of ugly milltown mediocrity. You have no greatness and no beauty. That's why I'm insulted at the Manc presumption to be "Britain's second city".

I'm ashamed, so ashamed, when I hear Manchester proclaimed as Britain's 2nd city. This is a great country, and you just don't deserve that title. You're not good enough. The "pretty little postcard" places you describe (I imagine you're referring to my listing of Oxford, Cambridge, Lincoln, Canterbury, Bath, etc) piss all over Manchester's architecture from a great height. You're not a hair on their arse. Lincoln or Canterbury cathedrals alone have infinitely more architecture and beauty than your entire city. What have you got to rival the gorgeous quadrangles of honey coloured gothic stone, and skyline of dreaming spires, to rival Oxford or Cambridge? What have you got to rival Bath's Circus, Crescent, or Roman Baths? They piss all over you too. Your architecture is shit. Manchester is simply a largeish concentration of ugly milltown mediocrity. You have no greatness and no beauty. That's why I'm insulted at the Manc presumption to be "Britain's second city".

+1

I'm ashamed, so ashamed, when I hear Manchester proclaimed as Britain's 2nd city. This is a great country, and you just don't deserve that title. You're not good enough. The "pretty little postcard" places you describe (I imagine you're referring to my listing of Oxford, Cambridge, Lincoln, Canterbury, Bath, etc) piss all over Manchester's architecture from a great height. You're not a hair on their arse. Lincoln or Canterbury cathedrals alone have infinitely more architecture and beauty than your entire city. What have you got to rival the gorgeous quadrangles of honey coloured gothic stone, and skyline of dreaming spires, to rival Oxford or Cambridge? What have you got to rival Bath's Circus, Crescent, or Roman Baths? They piss all over you too. Your architecture is shit. Manchester is simply a largeish concentration of ugly milltown mediocrity. You have no greatness and no beauty. That's why I'm insulted at the Manc presumption to be "Britain's second city".

on second thoughts -1

Leeds sucking up to Monkey. The irony. :lol:

At least the Lioners seem happy to donate their share of the £10 billion handout to salvage the 2012 London Olympiss.(take)

Shame it cost them their much anticipated and eagerly awaited tram network. :lol:(thats where your money went lads)

At least the Lioners seem happy to donate their share of the £10 billion handout to salvage the 2012 London Olympiss.



:eek2: are you serious, why the fuck should we pay for something that doesn't matter :ohno:

:eek2: are you serious, why the fuck should be pay for something which doesn't matter :ohno:

Are but you probably did Troll. No doubt part or most of the money pledged to Leeds for it's tram network was diverted to the London Olympiss(take). I'm sure Monkey is laughing his little tail off. Hopefully he will thank you one day.

Monkey.

Fancy nipping up for the opening of Mediacity? I'll give you a guided tour. No doubt you'll want to congratulate all the ex BBC London staff on getting jobs at Mediacity, in Salford. Something you weren't able to do in Manchester.

Thanks Monkey. :pet:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4126/5170911963_6f507b1b2c_z.jpg

Olympiss(take)

Too fucking right :bash:

Too fucking right :bash:

We agree at last Leeds Troll. Fair enough that man. We might have our differencres, but we all know who the real enemy is. £10 billion(probably much more) of our money, diverted at the expense of the regions, for a 2 week folly in East London, that most of us have little or no interest in and will never attend.

At least some Chinese workers eked a minimum wage out of the games, making tatty London 2012 souvenirs.

We agree at last Leeds Troll. Fair enough that man. We might have our differencres, but we all know who the real enemy is. £10 billion(probably much more) of our money, diverted at the expense of the regions, for a 2 week folly in East London, that most of us have little or no interest in and will never attend.

At least some Chinese workers eked a minimum wage out of the games, making tatty London 2012 souvenirs.

it's an absolute disgrace!! what 10bn could do for Leeds would be incredible, and yet it's getting spent on some utter fucking shite :bash: it's just unbelievable how they can spend that sort of money on something which is pure pointless :ohno:

That's like saying the Bull-Ring or the Arndale are great because that was what they were building then (including London).

Hmm.

Nah.

Was the "Arndale" ever "great"?

http://www.guiltypleasures.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Arndale_Centre-Manchester-400x300.jpg
http://manchester.diarystar.co.uk/images/arndale-centre1.jpg

Had to smile at this image ^^ .... "Manchester" Arndale .... in case you forgot which town you were shopping in!!! :lol:

^^It's in Manchester. It's the best thing since slice bread:|

^^ not sure that's what he was saying to be honest...

It was a fly dig at extreme superiority complexes of certain forumers;)

Was the "Arndale" ever "great"?

http://www.guiltypleasures.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Arndale_Centre-Manchester-400x300.jpg
http://manchester.diarystar.co.uk/images/arndale-centre1.jpg

Had to smile at this image ^^ .... "Manchester" Arndale .... in case you forgot which town you were shopping in!!! :lol:

Ah! The iconic Arndale. Loved as much as it is hated. The dirty 70's tiles stand testament to a bygone era. The smell of piss and dropped cigarette butts as you climb 20 flights of concrete steps laden with shopping, because all the lifts are broken. The smell of fish from the indoor market, whafting through the posh part of the Arndale, reminding you of that Girl you met from East Manchester last Saturday night. A place where numerous hearts have been broken, while hanging over the chrome and glass balconies, looking into poundstretcher.

She maybe everything and more I've written, but we still love her. :)

^^Best thing you've ever written on these boards, jerbers. Good stuff.

it's an absolute disgrace!! what 10bn could do for Leeds would be incredible, and yet it's getting spent on some utter fucking shite :bash: it's just unbelievable how they can spend that sort of money on something which is pure pointless :ohno:

+1

You could probably put another £2-3billion on that figure.

^^Best thing you've ever written on these boards, jerbers. Good stuff.

Thanks for that Awayo. Brought a tear to my glass eye as I typed it. It's only taken me 8 years of trying. (still can't crack the grammer bit though :lol:)

Fucking hell, jrb:lol: That was a world class post like Awayo said. Should be on a plaque somwhere;)

in the years after the bomb hit me and my brothers used to go to GW (only for those who know) eaarly saturday mornings in the old bit of the arndale which has since been redeveloped and turned into the catwalk that it is now. i loved it. the indoor market with all manner of shit piled up against the glass, and of course the smells, in particular though i remember that the GW there was the last shop to close in the old part, and i remember the sweet quietness of that lost corner of the city centre on a saturday morning and watching people from the balcony which now would look onto the printworks.

nah jrb beat me. pure poetry that was,

jrb ... that was very touching. I prefer the old Arndale too ......... btw, where does the name "Arndale" come from? I've noticed a handful of towns in the North of England with a shopping centre of the same name.

It was a fly dig at extreme superiority complexes of certain forumers;)

The Glasgow Buchanan Galleries ..... London Westfield Centre ...... Birmingham Bullring ....... but do they have all that stamped on the sides of these centres? I suspect United at Old Trafford had too many "Manchester" signs made and flogged them off cheap to the Arndale! :lol:

^^Down south as well (Luton for example). It was a property development company. Like Westfield now.

^^Down south as well (Luton for example). It was a property development company. Like Westfield now.

I think the Arndale towns were the lucky ones. I'd take anything over that shitty Westfield logo. Its a national embarrassment that its going to be plastered all over the Olympic park.

people are not stupid, they know a good building

Possibly the most untrue thing that has ever been said on this forum, ever.

The very existence of this thread disproves the first bit. People have no idea what good is- some hate Broadcasting Tower but most people have no problem with the bland, identical Barratt housing estates that sprawl out of every town and city in the UK now.

jrb ... that was very touching. I prefer the old Arndale too ......... btw, where does the name "Arndale" come from? I've noticed a handful of towns in the North of England with a shopping centre of the same name.

A merger of the two surnames of the people who founded the development group, Arnold and Chippendale. It's not just in the north, it's national. There was one in my old hometown, Eastbourne.

I'm ashamed, so ashamed, when I hear Manchester proclaimed as Britain's 2nd city. This is a great country, and you just don't deserve that title. You're not good enough. The "pretty little postcard" places you describe (I imagine you're referring to my listing of Oxford, Cambridge, Lincoln, Canterbury, Bath, etc) piss all over Manchester's architecture from a great height. You're not a hair on their arse. Lincoln or Canterbury cathedrals alone have infinitely more architecture and beauty than your entire city. What have you got to rival the gorgeous quadrangles of honey coloured gothic stone, and skyline of dreaming spires, to rival Oxford or Cambridge? What have you got to rival Bath's Circus, Crescent, or Roman Baths? They piss all over you too. Your architecture is shit. Manchester is simply a largeish concentration of ugly milltown mediocrity. You have no greatness and no beauty. That's why I'm insulted at the Manc presumption to be "Britain's second city".

Not many people do think of it as the second city, that white elephant title goes to Birmingham most often. Not that it really means anything, this country has to be the least diverse in terms of how important other cities are outside our capital, you look to Germany and they have a multitude of successful, world influential cities.

Hopefully this upward trend can continue, once upon a time Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham were all boom towns which contributed massively to the country'onomy. Even now, with Manchester and Birmingham especially recovering somewhat, they're still a long way off former glories.

Primarily, yes. I'm sure in it's pomp it was a fine building and, stood in the square behind it is quite a fine building but it looks decrepid and mouldy from the front.

Well the building itself is in pretty good nick despite the discoloured stonework. I believe they tried to clean it in the past, and made an arse of it.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4146/5072786109_f72321ea4e_o.jpg

I think Milan, Madrid and Toronto are so underrated.

Arnold and Chippendale?

We nearly got the Old Chip Centre!

Was the "Arndale" ever "great"?

http://www.guiltypleasures.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Arndale_Centre-Manchester-400x300.jpg
http://manchester.diarystar.co.uk/images/arndale-centre1.jpg

Had to smile at this image ^^ .... "Manchester" Arndale .... in case you forgot which town you were shopping in!!! :lol:

Yes, I think you missed the point.

Of note it does need to say `Manchester' Arndale to ensure the paper bag swilling boys & girls know they are not warming their toes at the `Stretford' Arndale of various other retail sites within the Arndale brand.