Here it is, my pals impression of Manchester:

Cold, sunless, damp, dull, drab, dirty and all this was in July; Uninteresting tourist attractions, like a soccer stadium, soap opera studio set, shopping mall (pronounced mal), almost empty and very boring military museum and an art gallery featuring a local artist whose work resembles a grade three childs efforts. The tourist guides would claim that everything, stadium, TV stage, Mall, gallery etc., were "world famous", but non of the Americans knew of any of them. A few Canadians had heard of the soap opera set and a few people from the Tampa Bay area had heard of the soccer team but no one had heard of the child-like artist.

Restaurants which served alcohol won't serve families accompanied by children below the British legal age for drinking even though those children would not be drinking alcohol. Restrooms (toilets) that stink as bad as those in Mexico. Unbelievably high prices (double US prices) for everything.

People would constantly point to a high-rise building and ask if it reminded them of America. He tried to think of a US city that mght resemble Manchester. The only US city he could think of was Gary which had about the same amount of "For Rent" (To Let.) signs across their windows and doors.

He said he was hoping the US team would get eliminated from the tournament early so as they could move on to someplace more interesting. No such luck, the US beat Canada in the final.

The above are just some of his comments. We spent a weekend listening to his bitching about Manchester.

well where do you start.. maybe with the fact that coronation street haven't done tours for about 10 years

btw which one is your mate? -

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"“We dreamed of this. This was our destiny,” said Team USA head coach Mike Pressler. “At last we can go home.” :D


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well where do you start.. maybe with the fact that coronation street haven't done tours for about 10 yearsAnd yet he showed a picture of himself and his wife outside a bar named 'Rover Retriever' or some name like that. He believed the bar was a part of the set.

btw which one is your mate?My mate (wife) is female, my pal is the older brother of one of the team players. My mate, aboard my boat, is my older brother.

right yeh sorry i forgot. you're american.

:lol:

The 'world' outside America is just 'London' isn't it?

I thought their knowledge of Geography was unrivalled!

Don't worry Mancunian friends, even some of the most famous cities in the World can be a let down!

A couple of years ago I went to San Francisco .... been to LA a lot, but never ventured north, and was told I was missing a real American 'gem'.

San Francisco ... if you haven't been, in a nutshell (Downtown around Union Square) is like a cross between Birmingham and Manchester, but with so many tramps and down & outs I couldn't believe my eyes! Imagine the scene, hundreds of filthy dirty people pushing their belongings round in a supermarket shopping trolley right in the heart of your city .... not just one or two, but literally HUNDREDS, usually in gangs or families.

We were told a "must do" attraction would be to see the Cannery and Fisherman's Wharf ... which is akin to a dirtier and less charming version of the harbour at Newlyn in Penzance in Cornwall. It was a shabby place, with cheap tat shops and awful restaurants ... and again swarming with tramps, pick-pockets and plenty of other undesireable people.

Whilst shopping, it was obvious at one point, as a family, people were trying to 'break us up' i.e. get in between us all and probably rob us ... or worse, I grabbed my wife and kids and pulled them in to the nearest shop and waited for them to go away ... it was very frightening.

The hotel we stayed in, again right in the centre was opposite a soup kitchen ... which in the day time was unnoticeable, but at night time the shutters went up and hundreds of people formed a queue to wait for their gruel .... like 18th Century London! My children learnt a few new swear words that night ... it was truly awful.

We were warned by the hotel staff not to venture out to the blocks immediately behind the hotel after 6pm, as the area became more dangerous than Soweto on a bad night, with murders commonplace.

It was summer time ... the city was damp, cold and completely unwelcoming .... even the drive in to the centre from the airport on an elevated section of motorway, was like driving in to Birmingham on the Aston Expressway ... with the addition of the odd 'shanty town' on the way in!

We were booked to stay in San Francisco for 5 nights ... we stayed for one ... it is one of the most over-hyped places on the planet .... yes the view of the city from the Golden Gate Bridge looks amazing, wondeful skyline and setting ... but when you get in to the city and explore (if you feel safe to do so) it is an utter let down!

Here it is, my pals impression of Manchester:

Cold, sunless, damp, dull, drab, dirty and all this was in July; Uninteresting tourist attractions, like a soccer stadium, soap opera studio set, shopping mall (pronounced mal), almost empty and very boring military museum and an art gallery featuring a local artist whose work resembles a grade three childs efforts. The tourist guides would claim that everything, stadium, TV stage, Mall, gallery etc., were "world famous", but non of the Americans knew of any of them. A few Canadians had heard of the soap opera set and a few people from the Tampa Bay area had heard of the soccer team but no one had heard of the child-like artist.

Restaurants which served alcohol won't serve families accompanied by children below the British legal age for drinking even though those children would not be drinking alcohol. Restrooms (toilets) that stink as bad as those in Mexico. Unbelievably high prices (double US prices) for everything.

People would constantly point to a high-rise building and ask if it reminded them of America. He tried to think of a US city that mght resemble Manchester. The only US city he could think of was Gary which had about the same amount of "For Rent" (To Let.) signs across their windows and doors.

He said he was hoping the US team would get eliminated from the tournament early so as they could move on to someplace more interesting. No such luck, the US beat Canada in the final.

The above are just some of his comments. We spent a weekend listening to his bitching about Manchester.
We have been waiting days for the post.

And Sloyne does not let us down!

He is like an American `Monkey'. What is it with these people.

Why did his American friend visit Manchester then? Seems he is the only person to visit who does not like it.

Our tourist figures and hotel builds seem to suggest the opposite.

Imagine. As a friend of Sloyne, the travel agent, he does not warn you about Manchester!

Where else does Sloyne book his friends to? Baghdad? Bogotá?

Sloyne, reign it in, you are covering yourself with embarrassment.

Quelle surprise.

Funny how yanks and Italians have differing likes and dislikes isn't it?

Following the much more glamorous and vastly more important Champions League final in 2003 the Italian press along with the Italian politicians were gushing with praise of the place.

Italian style versus American culture.

I know which I prefer to have impressed.

I suppose I could give the impressions of my friends who followed the United US tour the other year, and let you all know what they thought of the shit holes they visited over there. But you are not interested so I won't bother.

Parts of Los Angeles and practically all of Detroit are real eye openers ... even the worst parts of British cities don't compare with the desolation of these places!

Parts of Los Angeles and practically all of Detroit are real eye openers ... even the worst parts of British cities don't compare with the desolation of these places!

Yeah LA, New Orleans, Detroit, Buffalo, Phoenix...lot's not to like.

San Fran, Seattle (No 1), Chicago, New York lot's to impress.

The bad areas of these cities are off the scale compared to our Shameless or Ordsall patches. They would be considered `normal' in America.

Our lowest is much better than there and our highest is much lower than there.

Christ the European Socialist dream is alive!

Sloyne talks like he has just read Angela's Ashes...when did he leave 1950?

Odd that Sloyne's mates didn't travel the 40mins by train to the cultural, entertainment mecca that is Liverpool during their visit to make it all worth while.

Odd that Sloyne's mates didn't travel the 40mins by train to the cultural, entertainment mecca that is Liverpool during their visit to make it all worth while.

LOL. You misread his warning post of a few days back.

He will be posting his views on Liverpool imminently!

Arf.

Now, can anyone guess what they will say :lol:

Hillarious stuff.

Restaurants which served alcohol won't serve families accompanied by children below the British legal age for drinking even though those children would not be drinking alcohol.

This section, at least, is absolute bollocks.

People would constantly point to a high-rise building and ask if it reminded them of America. He tried to think of a US city that mght resemble Manchester. The only US city he could think of was Gary which had about the same amount of "For Rent" (To Let.) signs across their windows and doors.


For Rent signs in Manchester? Hmm. Signs of empty shops and offices?

Utter bollocks.

What a liar you are Slyone.

No drinking for adults with underage children?

Total and utter bullshit.

What is wrong with you?

Get this joker off.

Here it is, my pals impression of Manchester:

Cold, sunless, damp...Well if he couldn't even get past the weather without bitching then he shouldn't be coming anywhere near northwest europe. Its not as if the weather there is massively different from Liverpool or London is it?My mate (wife) is female, my pal is the older brother of one of the team players. My mate, aboard my boat, is my older brother.My Pal is the food that I give to my dog. vive la difference eh?

Heh, somebody needs to stop trying too hard to be American I think...

Someone needs to drop the imaginary friend.

Tour of TV soap set just about gives it away.

10 years ago since it shut?

Sloyne has taken receiving derision to a new level.

What a post!

If he was a millipede he would have run out of legs to stand on.

Here it is, my pals impression of Manchester:

Cold, sunless, damp, dull, drab, dirty and all this was in July; Uninteresting tourist attractions, like a soccer stadium, soap opera studio set, shopping mall (pronounced mal), almost empty and very boring military museum and an art gallery featuring a local artist whose work resembles a grade three childs efforts. The tourist guides would claim that everything, stadium, TV stage, Mall, gallery etc., were "world famous", but non of the Americans knew of any of them. A few Canadians had heard of the soap opera set and a few people from the Tampa Bay area had heard of the soccer team but no one had heard of the child-like artist.

Restaurants which served alcohol won't serve families accompanied by children below the British legal age for drinking even though those children would not be drinking alcohol. Restrooms (toilets) that stink as bad as those in Mexico. Unbelievably high prices (double US prices) for everything.

People would constantly point to a high-rise building and ask if it reminded them of America. He tried to think of a US city that mght resemble Manchester. The only US city he could think of was Gary which had about the same amount of "For Rent" (To Let.) signs across their windows and doors.

He said he was hoping the US team would get eliminated from the tournament early so as they could move on to someplace more interesting. No such luck, the US beat Canada in the final.

The above are just some of his comments. We spent a weekend listening to his bitching about Manchester.

And then he nipped over to Liverpool and found exactly the same thing, only 36 miles away.

Sloyne, there's a hair's breath between you and Liverpudlian. If I wrote what I really thought of you both, I would be banned. On the other hand, you are a cunt of the highest order!

Now after 8 years of constructive input into SSC, one would hope Gothic and any of the Mods would turn a blind eye to what I've just wrote. Just for once. The clock is ticking.

At least there are some likeable and knowledgable Liverpool forum members. I don't have to name them. They know who they are. They must cringe with embarrasment when they read your posts.

BTW. Did you reroute your friends to another UK airport? Sums up your llifetime achievements perfectly.

PS. You haven't got any mates. Just like everything else in your life, that was made up as well.

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it took two days to concoct an essay like that , not good enough,
stay behind after class to do lines

Here it is, my pals impression of Manchester:

Cold, sunless, damp, dull, drab, dirty and all this was in July; Uninteresting tourist attractions, like a soccer stadium, soap opera studio set, shopping mall (pronounced mal), almost empty and very boring military museum and an art gallery featuring a local artist whose work resembles a grade three childs efforts. The tourist guides would claim that everything, stadium, TV stage, Mall, gallery etc., were "world famous", but non of the Americans knew of any of them. A few Canadians had heard of the soap opera set and a few people from the Tampa Bay area had heard of the soccer team but no one had heard of the child-like artist.

Restaurants which served alcohol won't serve families accompanied by children below the British legal age for drinking even though those children would not be drinking alcohol. Restrooms (toilets) that stink as bad as those in Mexico. Unbelievably high prices (double US prices) for everything.

People would constantly point to a high-rise building and ask if it reminded them of America. He tried to think of a US city that mght resemble Manchester. The only US city he could think of was Gary which had about the same amount of "For Rent" (To Let.) signs across their windows and doors.

He said he was hoping the US team would get eliminated from the tournament early so as they could move on to someplace more interesting. No such luck, the US beat Canada in the final.

The above are just some of his comments. We spent a weekend listening to his bitching about Manchester.


What bullshit that is, seriously all you mc donalds eating fat cunts should stay at home in your ghetto fucking sheds and stay put, the ignorance in that post is unbelievable, the lot of it is utter shit if you ask me.

What bullshit that is, seriously all you mc donalds eating fat cunts should stay at home in your ghetto fucking sheds and stay put, the ignorance in that post is unbelievable, the lot of it is utter shit if you ask me.

+1 to Leeds Troll! I'm with you brother. :applause:

all you mc donalds eating fat cunts

You have such a way with words:lol:

I do hope Sloyne posts his imaginary friends thoughts about their visit to Liverpool this summer.

Given how much they disliked the 10 years closed Granada studios tour I am interested in what they made of the Liverpool Garden Festival. :lol:

Liverpool is more pretty than Manchester though. City centre wise. Both of our suburbs are either gorgeous or deprived as fook.

In August I was on the train back from Newcastle and it was raining in Manchester but when I got to Liverpool 40 mins later it was sunny and hot with no signs of rainfall in the last few hours. Madness!

Liverpool is more pretty than Manchester though. City centre wise. Both of our suburbs are either gorgeous or deprived as fook.

In August I was on the train back from Newcastle and it was raining in Manchester but when I got to Liverpool 40 mins later it was sunny and hot with no signs of rainfall in the last few hours. Madness!

Hot? It's always bloody freezing here it seems, even when it's sunny because of the winds.

I love Liverpool though, I'd agree that there is more magnificent architecture in Liverpool than Manchester. I do like Manchester though, it's got some wonderful buildings of its own and a big city feel to it. Never really felt this great 'rivalry' between the two though, got a lot of scouse friends who frequently love going out in Manchester, equally there's a lot of Mancs here at Uni and who love Liverpool. The main rivalry is football related, though obviously there are historical factors but it's not enough to keep anyone angry in this day and age, apart from some deluded SSC posters perhaps.

Oh I like Manchester too and have nothing against a Mancunian. It was just a funny observation how it could be raining there but sunny in Liverpool.

Liverpool is more pretty than Manchester though. City centre wise. Both of our suburbs are either gorgeous or deprived as fook.

In August I was on the train back from Newcastle and it was raining in Manchester but when I got to Liverpool 40 mins later it was sunny and hot with no signs of rainfall in the last few hours. Madness!

Liverpool city centre is like one extreme to the other, some areas are unique and beautiful in a manner that is outstanding. Other areas are very scruffy and half hearted, and can only be described as a shithole.

well the rain clouds come from over liverpool and if it doesn't rain there, they'll (what's the word?) "release" their rain over manchester because the pennines are scary or something.

The only bad part of Liverpool city centre is Chinatown. The rest is lovely.

^^

Islington area (improving though particularly around London Road)
Park Lane/Baltic Triangle area - still quite desolate, although slowly improving.
Leeds Street and John Moores area is generally crap at the moment too.

^^ A lot of those areas suffer because of the awful road planning, Islinginton probably the biggest victim as it is cut off on all sides.

Lime street is pretty grotty too, as in the street, I think the station work has been done very well.

Sloyne.

Where is the details of your 'friends' visit to the Garden Festival?

Oh I like Manchester too and have nothing against a Mancunian. It was just a funny observation how it could be raining there but sunny in Liverpool.

That would be the prevailing wind direction. It's sunny in Liverpool , it will be in Manchester 1hr later.

Not sure on the sunshine/fog/cloud/wind speeds totals for Liverpool/Manchester but doubt there is too much in it to be observable.

Maybe more rain for us.
More wind for you.

The only bad part of Liverpool city centre is Chinatown. The rest is lovely.

Not too sure about the area around Concert Square either. A lot of the bars are pretty chavvy, though I do love Ca Va (£1 tequila!)

Not too sure about the area around Concert Square either. A lot of the bars are pretty chavvy, though I do love Ca Va (£1 tequila!)

I think he was alluding to the environment rather than its nightime inhabitants. It was less chavy in the past, as you can see...

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Don't worry Mancunian friends, even some of the most famous cities in the World can be a let down!

A couple of years ago I went to San Francisco .... been to LA a lot, but never ventured north, and was told I was missing a real American 'gem'.

San Francisco ... if you haven't been, in a nutshell (Downtown around Union Square) is like a cross between Birmingham and Manchester, but with so many tramps and down & outs I couldn't believe my eyes! Imagine the scene, hundreds of filthy dirty people pushing their belongings round in a supermarket shopping trolley right in the heart of your city .... not just one or two, but literally HUNDREDS, usually in gangs or families.

We were told a "must do" attraction would be to see the Cannery and Fisherman's Wharf ... which is akin to a dirtier and less charming version of the harbour at Newlyn in Penzance in Cornwall. It was a shabby place, with cheap tat shops and awful restaurants ... and again swarming with tramps, pick-pockets and plenty of other undesireable people.

Whilst shopping, it was obvious at one point, as a family, people were trying to 'break us up' i.e. get in between us all and probably rob us ... or worse, I grabbed my wife and kids and pulled them in to the nearest shop and waited for them to go away ... it was very frightening.

The hotel we stayed in, again right in the centre was opposite a soup kitchen ... which in the day time was unnoticeable, but at night time the shutters went up and hundreds of people formed a queue to wait for their gruel .... like 18th Century London! My children learnt a few new swear words that night ... it was truly awful.

We were warned by the hotel staff not to venture out to the blocks immediately behind the hotel after 6pm, as the area became more dangerous than Soweto on a bad night, with murders commonplace.

It was summer time ... the city was damp, cold and completely unwelcoming .... even the drive in to the centre from the airport on an elevated section of motorway, was like driving in to Birmingham on the Aston Expressway ... with the addition of the odd 'shanty town' on the way in!

We were booked to stay in San Francisco for 5 nights ... we stayed for one ... it is one of the most over-hyped places on the planet .... yes the view of the city from the Golden Gate Bridge looks amazing, wondeful skyline and setting ... but when you get in to the city and explore (if you feel safe to do so) it is an utter let down!Just assuming that everything you have written above is true, in what way, if any, would that alter his impressions and observations of Manchester?:dunno:

What muppet can't get served when they go to a restaurant with their kids though? That has to be bollocks - you'd have more chance of that sort of thing happening in the US!

Just assuming that everything you have written above is true, in what way, if any, would that alter his impressions and observations of Manchester?:dunno:

Because your post was a complete fabrication.

Saying, in the UK, that an adult was told children cannot sit with them, while they drink alcohol is classic.

The rest of your post was even more ridiculous, with derision from all corners of the UK.

Take you lies elsewhere, at least a dozen new posters have sussed your weirdness out.

I think you need to seek help, seriously. You are sick.

Take care and I hope they can assist you.

Because your post was a complete fabrication.Just like your two "ICONIC" buildings in Manchester and even the Manchester coat of arms is, as you say, a fabrication. Look at any map of England and you will find that Manchester is located at least thirty miles from any open water and yet, the crest shows a sailing vessel in full sail. What's that about? It can't have anything to do with the "world famous ship canal" because that waterway was built to take steam powered ships and the city crest pre-dates it's building.

Over to you Fly.:)

What muppet can't get served when they go to a restaurant with their kids though? That has to be bollocks - you'd have more chance of that sort of thing happening in the US!

this fella ?

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Just like your two "ICONIC" buildings in Manchester and even the Manchester coat of arms is, as you say, a fabrication. Look at any map of England and you will find that Manchester is located at least thirty miles from any open water and yet, the crest shows a sailing vessel in full sail. What's that about? It can't have anything to do with the "world famous ship canal" because that waterway was built to take steam powered ships and the city crest pre-dates it's building.

Over to you Fly.:)

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Who lives here?

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Who lives here?Likely a Manc now speaking with a quasi Scouse accent (when did they aquire that?). :lol:

Likely a Manc now speaking with a quasi Scouse accent (when did they aquire that?). :lol:

99 signs of madness.

No 47. He thinks Mancs sound like Scousers. Indeed Scouse is obviously the Latin of Northern England and all other dialects are derived from it.

Cuckoo!

what a loser. i mean is there anything weirder than making up stories about how a foreign "pal" (:lol:) spent a weekend dissin manchester. i mean imagine coming out with that at work or whatever. fucking odd or what. i mean truly odd.

Just assuming that everything you have written above is true, in what way, if any, would that alter his impressions and observations of Manchester?:dunno:

It is true ... seen them with my own eyes many times..... and it wouldn't change anyones impressions of Manchester ... even if your notation is also "true" of transcripts you've written about what people from abroad have said about Manchester ... which in my opinion is a fine post industrial city, and many North American cities should take note :)

Birmingham is less of a handout city than Manchester. The latter lives off handouts from London's bounteous table. Media City is a prime example. What did Manchester do to deserve that? Nothing. They were gifted it. Manchester could never attract such investment based on its own merits. Manchester hasn't pioneered a single new industry in the last 200 years (and before the Industrial Revolution it didn't amount to much either). It's a has-been mill town that lives off government handouts. Birmingham's no San Francisco (sorry Sandblast but SF is a city I know very well, if you'd done any research at all you'd know that Fisherman's Wharf is a tacky tourist trap), but at least it has its own industries and its economy is less dependent on London's handouts.

He thinks Mancs sound like Scousers.Don't just take my word for it, go on YouTube, watch and listen to some of the news footage from the fifties Manchester dockers strike. 100% Lancastrian wooly back is the accent. Today? Closer to Scouse than Lancastrian. You tell me!:dunno:It wouldn't change anyones impressions of Manchester ...So, why attack San Francisco? As you have admitted, it doesn't elevate Manchester nor alter anyones opinion of the place.

yes mancs want to be scousers, manchester's shit and no ones heard of it. well done. maybe go get a life now.

Hope they enjoyed the Garden Festival Sloyne :D

manchester's shit and no ones heard of it.Aren't you the guy who once claimed, on another thread, that "New York was the foreign city that Manchester most resembled (parts of)"? Well I guess even kids learn.:lol:

PS: Happy Thanksgiving.

Did they enjoy the GRANADA STUDIO TOUR? :nuts:

well the rain clouds come from over liverpool and if it doesn't rain there, they'll (what's the word?) "release" their rain over manchester because the pennines are scary or something.

:lol: "because they're scared of the pennines". I lol'ed.

But seriously; in winter, prevailing winds arriving in Manchester come from over the Pennines way. As they travel, the clouds get pissed off with all the mountains in the way and decide to chill for a bit. While they're 'chilling', they're picking up precipitation (water). The clouds then move on a bit, and dump it all on Manchester.

In the summer, however, the prevailing winds come over from Liverpool (Irish Sea way). It picks up water from the sea and forms clouds. Because Liverpool is too close to land, THAT doesn't get dumped on as much. However, as it moved in land more, the clouds get heavier and heavier with all the water they've collected and (while they're over Manchester), all that water gets dropped on us!

So basically, Summer or Winter, Manchester's screwed. :cheers:

Aren't you the guy who once claimed, on another thread, that "New York was the foreign city that Manchester most resembled (parts of)"? Well I guess even kids learn.:lol:

PS: Happy Thanksgiving.

yeh i'm sorry that that hurt you so much.

fucking loser. :lol:

So basically, Summer or Winter, Manchester's screwed. :cheers:

I feel your pain:lol: The town I live in actually gets a lot more rain than Glasgow, so it'll be paradise for me when I move to the city! Edinburgh's a bit drier but it gets freezing at this time of year!

I believe Sloyne/Euxtex is actually (a) Monkeys uncle.

I also think it would be wrong to ban Sloyne even though he's been banned under his many previous guises. He would simply register again under yet another alias and attempt to 'reinvent' himself. This usually fails within the first post of his 'new' self! He genuinely does not realize that as much as he tries, he just cannot hide Sloyne. We have to remember his advanced years and the fact that he has an enormous amount of surplus time on his hands.

Considering his background, ie. kitchen-porter in the UK merchant navy, emmigrating to Canada in the 60's, helping out in a travel agency in an obscure Ontario town near Toronto. You would have to conclude that his aversion to Manchester was spawned when he witnessed the thousands of expats booking their flights to Manchester. Just about everyone (English) I know in Ontario from north of Birmingham (including a lot from B'ham btw) prefer to fly to MAN.

It's quite possible that Sloyne may have gotten his arse fired for constantly trying to reroute customers via London, resulting in what would be several hours added to an already tedious seven hour flight. Even as a casual flyer I would deem that to be very, very poor service from a 'travel agent', worthy of justifiable dismissal. (and no repeat business from me)

Since then, his whole raison d'etre has been to denigrate Manchester at every opportunity. You only have to check all of his 'other selves' to see this unhealthy fixation.

He is worth having around if only for a bit of cringeworthy amusement for us.

Mancunians should actually be glad that someone like sloyne/euxtex/etc hates them.

Would you want this cretin to like you?

Oh, and Monkey/Langur is just as irrelevant...

well yeh precisely. i mean to hate a place so much because you feel represented so much by another place genuinely just speaks of a sense of worthlessness he must have. He has no self worth/pride/confidence so he has to personify the city he's apparently from and personify Manchester via mancunians. it's odd, very odd. i mean i don't give a shit about what he thinks about manchester as obviously he's a loser but what is disturbing is this personification/genuine hatred of mancunians. i mean wake up for christ sake. i realise this is your dirty secret sloyne but would you be proud of your views and opinions on this forum if i emailed them to your wife or family?

Birmingham is less of a handout city than Manchester. The latter lives off handouts from London's bounteous table. Media City is a prime example. What did Manchester do to deserve that? Nothing. They were gifted it. Manchester could never attract such investment based on its own merits. Manchester hasn't pioneered a single new industry in the last 200 years (and before the Industrial Revolution it didn't amount to much either). It's a has-been mill town that lives off government handouts. Birmingham's no San Francisco (sorry Sandblast but SF is a city I know very well, if you'd done any research at all you'd know that Fisherman's Wharf is a tacky tourist trap), but at least it has its own industries and its economy is less dependent on London's handouts.

Correct ... Birmingham of all cities is not a "handout" city ... strange term, btw. London scoffed in the 70's when Birmingham planned the NEC .... an exhibition centre ... in the Midlands?!?! The then rate payers of the city dug deep and built an exhibition centre on a scale not seen in the UK, and has got bigger and better ever since. London tried a similar format with the ExCeL in east London .... no-one outside the capital would dream of going there, can't get there by car ... grid locked .... and the underground is a disgusting experience.

As regard to San Francisco .... we did all the main sights; Alcatraz, Coit Tower, Union Square, The Cannery, Fisherman's Wharf, Lombard Street, Golden Gate Bridge, Pacific Heights, etc ..... where else have you visited in the city.

I think you are a compulsive liar, btw ... and slightly deranged :)

Don't just take my word for it, go on YouTube, watch and listen to some of the news footage from the fifties Manchester dockers strike. 100% Lancastrian wooly back is the accent. Today? Closer to Scouse than Lancastrian. You tell me!:dunno:So, why attack San Francisco? As you have admitted, it doesn't elevate Manchester nor alter anyones opinion of the place.

That was the experience I had in San Francisco, my opinion .... as was the opinion of your dreamt up 'friends' of Manchester :)

Manchester is a great place .... plenty of history, and a great future.

Don't worry Monkey, I haven't forgot about you. I had to reply to Yoshef first. There is a pecking order on SSC. You are second from bottom, just below Sloyne.

Don't worry Monkey, I haven't forgot about you. I had to reply to Yoshef first. There is a pecking order on SSC. You are second from bottom, just below Sloyne.
Softly softly catchee monkey...

Remember jerbs, he's here for our entertainment as well...:cheers:

i don't diss monkey cos although sometimes some of what he says is as bad as other forummers i know he's just being cheeky and looking for a reaction whereas elsewhere there is genuine hatred of peoples. i'm quite fond of our monkey really. :okay:

i don't diss monkey cos although sometimes some of what he says is as bad as other forummers i know he's just being cheeky and looking for a reaction whereas elsewhere there is genuine hatred of peoples. i'm quite fond of our monkey really. :okay:
He tends to get a bit repetitive though.

But apart from hanging around the forum like a really bad fart, posting juvenile lies about Manchester, he's like I said, quite amusing.

A bit like the scouse wanabe yank, Artie Fuckface. On speed...

:lol: "because they're scared of the pennines". I lol'ed.

But seriously; in winter, prevailing winds arriving in Manchester come from over the Pennines way. As they travel, the clouds get pissed off with all the mountains in the way and decide to chill for a bit. While they're 'chilling', they're picking up precipitation (water). The clouds then move on a bit, and dump it all on Manchester.

In the summer, however, the prevailing winds come over from Liverpool (Irish Sea way). It picks up water from the sea and forms clouds. Because Liverpool is too close to land, THAT doesn't get dumped on as much. However, as it moved in land more, the clouds get heavier and heavier with all the water they've collected and (while they're over Manchester), all that water gets dropped on us!

So basically, Summer or Winter, Manchester's screwed. :cheers:

If only my geography lessons at school had been taught like this! :lol:

Don't just take my word for it, go on YouTube, watch and listen to some of the news footage from the fifties Manchester dockers strike. 100% Lancastrian wooly back is the accent. Today? Closer to Scouse than Lancastrian.

1940's scouse accent...

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:)

He sounds a bit forced posh to me.

You should check out his I'm a little tea-pot if you like a good groan.

Arthur Askey probably spent most of his 'career' in Landan anyway.

Some folks say the Mancunian accent has changed but it sounds exactly the same to me as it always has. Most of the milltowns outside of Manchester area seem to have that 'yonner' type of accent although that seems to be on the wane amongst the younger crowd.

The scouse accent is the one that is definitely changing. When you listen to interviews of footballers like Gerrard, Carragher or Rooney their accents could easily be mistaken for a foreign language. It's certainly not English and a whole lot different to the many scousers I know of my generation. It's almost like they are exaggerating the piss out of it. With the erroneous idea that it sounds 'cool', when all they're doing is increasing the much -hated 'phlegm-factor' to an even more disgusting new level. :puke:

Trust me Sloyne, nobody (outside of the Mersey Delta) wants to speak like that.

I do like Ringo's accent. Very soft, smooth and likeable. Even though he does sound a bit American now. Certainly lost that Scouse flem. BTW, my assistant boss at work is from the Pool. He sounds exactly like the old Ringo star.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/04/12/ringo.starr.vatican.beatles/

I do like Ringo's accent. Very soft, smooth and likeable. Even though he does sound a bit American now. Certainly lost that Scouse flem. BTW, my assistant boss at work is from the Pool. He sounds exactly like the old Ringo star.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/SHOWBIZ/04/12/ringo.starr.vatican.beatles/

A bit like Thomas the Tank Engine then?

As regard to San Francisco .... we did all the main sights; Alcatraz, Coit Tower, Union Square, The Cannery, Fisherman's Wharf, Lombard Street, Golden Gate Bridge, Pacific Heights, etc ..... where else have you visited in the city.

I think you are a compulsive liar, btw ... and slightly deranged :)What do you think I have compulsively lied about? If you think I am dreaming up my knowledge in San Francisco, well my sister and brother-in-law live there (in the Mission not far from Delores Park), so I've been there lots of times, and know the city well. I've been everywhere in the city and many places around in the Bay Area, California, western USA, etc.

A bit like Thomas the Tank Engine then?
Yeah, Ringo has a true 'West Lancashire' accent, pretty much the same as Paul, John and George.

Ringo is a traditional 'West Lancashire' name after all. ;)

He sounds a bit forced posh to me.

You should check out his I'm a little tea-pot if you like a good groan.

Arthur Askey probably spent most of his 'career' in Landan anyway.

Some folks say the Mancunian accent has changed but it sounds exactly the same to me as it always has. Most of the milltowns outside of Manchester area seem to have that 'yonner' type of accent although that seems to be on the wane amongst the younger crowd.

The scouse accent is the one that is definitely changing. When you listen to interviews of footballers like Gerrard, Carragher or Rooney their accents could easily be mistaken for a foreign language. It's certainly not English and a whole lot different to the many scousers I know of my generation. It's almost like they are exaggerating the piss out of it. With the erroneous idea that it sounds 'cool', when all they're doing is increasing the much -hated 'phlegm-factor' to an even more disgusting new level. :puke:

Trust me Sloyne, nobody (outside of the Mersey Delta) wants to speak like that.

Do you not think this 'maferit' manc is just as much as a play up? To me Liam Gallagher sounds like he's pretending when he speaks.

There is a variety of accents in Liverpool though, the 'scally' accent is exaggerated to be cool and intimidate. The soft Liverpool accent is amazing on a girl.

Don't worry Mancunian friends, even some of the most famous cities in the World can be a let down!

We were booked to stay in San Francisco for 5 nights ... we stayed for one!But, and according to your own musings, you were able to see an awful lot of the city in just one day. I mean the trip to Alcatraz alone would take up at least a morning (3 to 5 hours).As regard to San Francisco .... we did all the main sights; Alcatraz, Coit Tower, Union Square, The Cannery, Fisherman's Wharf, Lombard Street, Golden Gate Bridge, Pacific Heights, etc ...AMAZING!!!

Another point what you, inadvertantly i'm sure, highlited is the fact that San Francisco's tourist offer is, ("hype" or not,) universally known and the names recognisable to even someone like yourself who hails from a mid England city. In fact I would bet that someone in places like Antofagasta, Fray Bentos, Denpesar, Wilhelmstad, Trincomalee, Pusan or Peterborough would be able to name some of the places that you mentioned. This, surely, attests to the fame/notoriety of San Francisco and, third world conditions or otherwise, adds to the draw/attraction of the place. Can the same be said for Manchester? I think not.

^^

I'm not getting into the argument here, but from my experience of the US it's all hype, i mean they make a big deal out of Las vagas for one, i went there a couple of year back with my friends and family, it was nothing like we expected it to be, it actually felt like mickey mouse world, nothing felt real nor did it feel exciting, at one point we made a joke and said have we come to vagas or have we got lost and ended up in disneyland, i'm not being funny or anything but the USA is glorified..

my experience of the US it's all hype, i mean they make a big deal out of Las vagas for one, i went there a couple of year back with my friends and family, it was nothing like we expected it to be, it actually felt like mickey mouse world.And that's exactly what it is, Disneyland for adults. How old were you when you visted LV? You're about 15/16 now so that would make you about 13/14 years old, Right?

And, judging by your post above, Hype sells!:lol:

And that's exactly what it is, Disneyland for adults. How old were you when you visted LV? You're about 15/16 now so that would make you about 13/14 years old, Right?

And, judging by your post above, Hype sells!:lol:

I was 15 when i went actually :nuts:, and tbf it wasn't anything great, i would of rather spent my holiday elsewhere, OUTSIDE THE US OF A

I was 15 when i went actually :nuts:, and tbf it wasn't anything great.That's because it is Disneyland for ADULTS and you are a child. Think about it, you'll get it i'm sure.:lol:

That's because it is Disneyland for ADULTS and you are a child. Think about it, you'll get it i'm sure.:lol:

What are you talking about you muppet, non of my family or friends enjoyed it, we just put up with it because we payed out thousands to go there, and we all regret going to the shit hole. :bash:

What are you talking about you muppet, non of my family or friends enjoyed it, we just put up with it because we payed out thousands to go there, and we all regret going to the shit hole. :bash:Awe! sorry to hear that. Never mind, your daddy can take you to Englands version of Vegas. That would be Blackpool wouldn't it? By the way, how would you compare the two, Blackpool and Las Vegas?:rofl:

Awe! sorry to hear that. Never mind, your daddy can take you to Englands version of Vegas. That would be Blackpool wouldn't it? By the way, how would you compare the two, Blackpool and Las Vegas?:rofl:

Jesus Christ, I've been reading your posts for the last three days now and your head is so far up your arse.

I have family in America; Chicago. I feel utterly ashamed to share a link with you.

Awe! sorry to hear that. Never mind, your daddy can take you to Englands version of Vegas. That would be Blackpool wouldn't it? By the way, how would you compare the two, Blackpool and Las Vegas?:rofl:

Blackpool > Vagas

Not that i like Blackpool, it's a rainy wet shit hole, with fuck all there to do but sit on a damp wet beach and spend all your dosh in the shitty amusements.

Jesus Christ, I've been reading your posts for the last three days now and your head is so far up your arse.

I have family in America; Chicago. I feel utterly ashamed to share a link with you.Just what do you find so offensive in my posts? I have not once taken issue with the insults, like your own (head up my arse,) and have never tried to convince anyone that their impressions of the US are wrong. So just what is your problem?

PS: You share nothing with me buddy, nada, zilch, squatt.Your a wannabe Yank, i mean come on who'd want to be an American, i sure wouldn't want to be one.Here's another example of reasoned, sensible, educated debate.

Just what do you find so offensive in my posts? I have not once taken issue with the insults, like your own (head up my arse) and have never tried to convince anyone that their impressions of the US are wrong. So just what is your problem?

Your a wannabe Yank, i mean come on who'd want to be an American, i sure wouldn't want to be one.

who'd want to be an American, [B]i sure wouldn't want to be one.And we will respect your wish and not ask you to become an American. :)

Just what do you find so offensive in my posts? I have not once taken issue with the insults, like your own (head up my arse,) and have never tried to convince anyone that their impressions of the US are wrong. So just what is your problem?

PS: You share nothing with me buddy, nada, zilch, squatt.Here's another example of reasoned, sensible, educated debate.

The fact that you belittle everything and anything about England, claiming that America is ten times better. America's brilliant, but lets not forget who your founders were. Britain has way more heritage and history than America ever will. The settlement of 'Manucium' (Roman Manchester) was there centuries before the New World was ever even discovered.

And as for yourself, EuxTex (no idea why people call you Sloyne), you seem self-obsessed with dissing Manchester. I'm just a little sick of it, and by the way your stories are shit.

And as for yourself, EuxTex (no idea why people call you Sloyne), you seem self-obsessed with dissing Manchester.
That was his previous name before he got banned for being a troll cunt.

The fact that you belittle everything and anything about England, claiming that America is ten times better.You are going to have to show me were I have done this. I think you are confusing my correcting erronnious statements by some, i.e. "Detroit is a small airport, Boston is the sports capital of the USA, Manchester has iconic buildings, etc, etc.," and exposing people who claim to be an "expert on all things American" but know next to nothing about the place. I love parts of England (Britain) and I really like a lot of it's cities. London, Bristol, Gloucester, Liverpool, Leeds, Newcastle, Hull, York, Chester, Oxford, Glasgow, Edinburgh and Dundee all have something unique in which to please visitors. There are also places I dislike. However, I don't recall EVER saying that the US is superior to the UK. Yes, we have taller buildings and we tolerate criticism much better than some and, I, have a tendency to correct false statements by certain forummers. But I don't continue to verbally insult people and/or attempt to silence them by publishing, what a certain person thinks, are personal and private information about their lives, career, home and family. All of which have been levelled at me by people, and one in particular, from the city of Manchester. I guess I am expected to turn the other cheek. Do you? Would you?

By the way, I have been called a "twat, cunt, minge, prick, fucker, wanker" (witness the post above) and all this for daring to have, and posting, an opinion about Manchester.:dunno:

Blackpool > Vagas

Not that i like Blackpool, it's a rainy wet shit hole, with fuck all there to do but sit on a damp wet beach and spend all your dosh in the shitty amusements.

not being funny lad but what is there to do in Leeds.

By the way, I have been called a "twat, cunt, minge, prick, fucker, wanker" (witness the post above) and all this for daring to have, and posting, an opinion about Manchester.:dunno:


Did someone really call you 'minge' ? :shifty:

Did someone really call you 'minge' ?Are you really interested?:ohno:

Just found the thread and the offending post. I was called a "mingebag".:)

lol who called you a mingebag?

lol who called you a mingebag?
Probably you.;)

Sloyne must have a day off work? Saturday being the busiest day for travel agents, the weekend rush and all?

Wow the Troll bashing thread has gone global :\ not our best export I must say.

Sloyne must have a day off work? Saturday being the busiest day for travel agents, the weekend rush and all?If you mean me, I can have every day off if I wish. I own the companies. Yes, you got it, more than one.

By the way, who is "stalking" who?

If you mean me, I can have every day off if I wish. I own the companies. Yes, you got it, more than one.

By the way, who is "stalking" who?

Ahh, 20 people on here think you are mad.

Perhaps peer pressure will persuade you to seek help.

I've been away.

Did Sloyne tell us about his imaginary friends visit to the Garden Festival?

But, and according to your own musings, you were able to see an awful lot of the city in just one day. I mean the trip to Alcatraz alone would take up at least a morning (3 to 5 hours).AMAZING!!!

Another point what you, inadvertantly i'm sure, highlited is the fact that San Francisco's tourist offer is, ("hype" or not,) universally known and the names recognisable to even someone like yourself who hails from a mid England city. In fact I would bet that someone in places like Antofagasta, Fray Bentos, Denpesar, Wilhelmstad, Trincomalee, Pusan or Peterborough would be able to name some of the places that you mentioned. This, surely, attests to the fame/notoriety of San Francisco and, third world conditions or otherwise, adds to the draw/attraction of the place. Can the same be said for Manchester? I think not.

We stayed for one night .... arrived in the morning on one day, and left the afternoon on the next ... we'd seen and experienced enough of SF and drove on to Yountville in the Napa Valley which was very nice indeed :)

The offerings of SF are well known, not denying that ... but the experience we had in the city was not good ..... and Cheltenham where I live close to is a Regency Spa 'TOWN' and is arguably in the South West of England, and not a "mid England city" :)

Manchester ... a great place, has enough going on there to equal San Francisco, without the hassle of the beggars, tramps and pick pockets!

We stayed for one night .... arrived in the morning on one day, and left the afternoon on the nextStill it was some speed you reached to acclomplished all you did in those 36 hours (faster than a speeding bullet comes to mind.) Even allowing for the minimum of 3 hours for the Alcatraz segment you must hold some kind of speed record for tourists in San Fran.The offerings of SF are well known, not denying that ... but the experience we had in the city was not goodI have no problem with your opinion of SF or you posting that opinion nor would I attempt to change your opinion of San Fran. So why do you seem to deny me and take issue with my posting an opinion of Manchester?

Still some speed you acclomplished in those 36 hours. Even allowing for the minimum of 3 hours at Alcatraz you must hold some kind of speed record for tourists in that city.I have no problem with your opinion of SF or you posting that opinion nor would I attempt to change your opinion of SF. So why do you seem to deny me my opinion of Manchester?

If you are doubting me ... send me your e-mail address and I'll send you my holiday snaps :)

If you are doubting me ... send me your e-mail address and I'll send you my holiday snaps :)No, I am not doubting you visited San Fran but I am sceptical that you did all you say you did in a total of 36 hours. The 36 hours must include sleeping, showering, shampoing, shitting and eating time. No sir, i'm in awe of your speed.:)

duh, he's doing what your mate did on holiday and utilising timetravel.

now if a moderator could swap our posts then that would be very helpful ta

duh, he's doing what your mate did on holiday and utilising timetravel.Except "my mate" spent 3+ weeks in Manchester, not 36 hours.:nuts:

Except "my mate" spent 3+ weeks in Manchester, not 36 hours.:nuts:

It's the "my mate" bit that no one is buying into on several levels. His/her existence in this version of our universe, the content of the musings and the provenance of his introducer.

Look, on the city bashing thread, when you have people from other cities supporting Manchester, do you not get it? They are now bashing you.

Take a hint?

Except "my mate" spent 3+ weeks in Manchester, not 36 hours.:nuts:

He didn't like the place and spent 3 weeks there? That sir, makes complete sense!

Mmmmmm .
Who's opinion should people believe ?
Perhaps http://www.roughguides.com/travel/europe/england/the-northwest/manchester.aspx
...the city has no realistic rival outside London ...
or maybe http://www.lonelyplanet.com/england/northwest-england/manchester
which suggests that if London were to retire as capital of the country then Manchester , the capital of the north , would be the only city able to stand in .
Or the rantings of some weird obsessive lunatic nut case who talks utter bollox and makes things up ?
Mmmmm it's a difficult one isn't it ?

Unfortunately Manchester is the capital of nowhere, saying it's the capital of the North is meaningless because there's no such thing and never will be. Nobody outside of Manchester considers it to be anywhere near the scale of London, and to most people it's just another provincial, core city. Sorry to spoil your delusions.

Pretty much all of the major cities in the UK can produce some website which says how awesome and great it is, a rough guide is designed to big it up and encourage tourism.

Mmmmmm .
Who's opinion should people believe ?
Perhaps http://www.roughguides.com/travel/europe/england/the-northwest/manchester.aspx
...the city has no realistic rival outside London ...
or maybe http://www.lonelyplanet.com/england/northwest-england/manchester
which suggests that if London were to retire as capital of the country then Manchester , the capital of the north , would be the only city able to stand in .
Or the rantings of some weird obsessive lunatic nut case who talks utter bollox and makes things up ?
Mmmmm it's a difficult one isn't it ?


I'm all for defending your town, but let us not go from Sloyne's fantasy land to somebody elses huh?

The envy of any urban centre in Europe, it is surely indicative of more than just northern one-upmanship over London and the south that Manchester looks to Barcelona as its main rival and inspiration.

I'm all for defending your town, but let us not go from Sloyne's fantasy land to somebody elses huh?

The envy of any urban centre in Europe, it is surely indicative of more than just northern one-upmanship over London and the south that Manchester looks to Barcelona as its main rival and inspiration.

Would you like some mayonnaise on that chip Yoshef, or are you trying to copy me? :ohno:

PS. At least I have a good excuse. You don't have any. It's not big and it's not clever either. I'm disappointed Yoshef. I thought you were different from the usual suspects. Obviously your not!

Would you like some mayonnaise on that chip Yoshef, or are you trying to copy me? :ohno:

PS. At least I have a good excuse. You don't have any. It's not big and it's not clever either. I'm disappointed Yoshef. I thought you were different from the usual suspects. Obviously your not!



Capital of the North.
Rival to Barcelona.
The envy of any urban centre in Europe.


Come on! Neither salt nor vinegar is going to peruade me that isn't Cloud Cuckoo Land. :lol:

He didn't like the place and spent 3 weeks there? That sir, makes complete sense!He was attending the 'World Cup of Lacrosse' and was supporting Team USA, a team on which his brother is a member. He was praying the US would be eliminated early so as he could move out of the place. Alas, no luck, the US went on to defeat the Canadians in the final.:)

San Francisco pisses all over Manchester. It's in a different league. In the past the Mancs have likened their city to Barcelona, which is an extreme case of wishful thinking, because Barcelona pisses all over Manchester, too.

Capital of the North.
Rival to Barcelona.
The envy of any urban centre in Europe.


Come on! Neither salt nor vinegar is going to peruade me that isn't Cloud Cuckoo Land. :lol:

Then again, I've seen Liverpool compared to various cities around the world by Liverpool forum members. Apart form having a good chuckle, I've never taken it any further. It still stands Yoshef. I thought you were above baiting for no apparent reason. Especially when Liverpool hasn't been mentioned. Perhaps it's true after all. It is in the genes.

San Francisco pisses all over Manchester. It's in a different league. In the past the Mancs have likened their city to Barcelona, which is an extreme case of wishful thinking, because Barcelona pisses all over Manchester, too.

I still haven't forgotten. The comparison is coming along nicely. I could have finished it long ago, but I've got more important things to do first. As a goodwill gesture I've been a bit more generous. :)

Would you like some mayonnaise on that chip Yoshef, or are you trying to copy me? :ohno:

PS. At least I have a good excuse. You don't have any. It's not big and it's not clever either. I'm disappointed Yoshef. I thought you were different from the usual suspects. Obviously your not!

Is this the only response you can regurgitate? Everyone who disagrees has a chip on their shoulder or anti-Manchester. Fact of the matter is that 'the capital of the north' tag is meaningless and the article is full of incredibly hyperbole. Manchester's is an important UK city and is resurgent again, but I really think you overestimate how relavent it is to anyone outside of it, nobody in East Yorkshire would consider Manchester to be some capital of the north.

He was attending the 'World Cup of Lacrosse' and was supporting Team USA, a team on which his brother is a member. He was praying the US would be eliminated early so as he could move out of the place. Alas, no luck, the US went on to defeat the Canadians in the final.:)

He must have stayed at the 5* Owens Park Plaza then.

http://www.student-direct.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/owens-park.jpg

Don't try and tell me what it's like as I live 10 minutes away. Any self respecting tourist visiting Manchester would be out of their mind not to stay there.

Then again, I've seen Liverpool compared to various cities around the world by Liverpool forum members. Apart form having a good chuckle, I've never taken it any further. It still stands Yoshef. I thought you were above baiting for no apparent reason. Especially when Liverpool hasn't been mentioned. Perhaps it's true after all. It is in the genes.


Calling a horse a horse is not baiting.

How on earth has JRB come to the conclusion that questioning that article is 'baiting'? I used to think that he was a fairly level headed poster, but he seems to have been influenced by thefly.

Have a look at that rough guide place on the "Popular Cities" bit . Check out the Liverpool and Leeds ones .
Very popular.
http://www.roughguides.com/

Is this the only response you can regurgitate? Everyone who disagrees has a chip on their shoulder or anti-Manchester. Fact of the matter is that 'the capital of the north' tag is meaningless and the article is full of incredibly hyperbole. Manchester's is an important UK city and is resurgent again, but I really think you overestimate how relavent it is to anyone outside of it, nobody in East Yorkshire would consider Manchester to be some capital of the north.

Oh calm down(no pun intended) you wannabe Scouser. F** me, you've lived in Liverpool for 3 years and now your voting for Rebecca Ferguson every week. You'll get to visit Anfield one day, don't worry. (why don't you just go anyway?)

Who mentioned the Capital of the North? Did I? No I didn't, so shut the f*** up. My posts were aimed at Yoshef for a reason. Where do you come into this section of the thread? You don't, so piss off!

PS. That's your probelm Albion. Your always on the outside looking in. If it's got nothing to do with you, you always try and get involved. Stick to what you do best. Being anonymous.

Calling a horse a horse is not baiting.

Calling a horse Barcelona, and trying to make out it isn't like Red Rum, is.........

Have a look at that rough guide place on the "Popular Cities" bit . Check out the Liverpool and Leeds ones .
Very popular.
http://www.roughguides.com/


The Liverpool entry on that guide is shit. It's not just shit, its utterly shit. So I'm glad its not popular.

Oh calm down(no pun intended) you wannabe Scouser. F** me, you've lived in Liverpool for 3 years and now your voting for Rebecca Ferguson every week. You'll get to visit Anfield one day, don't worry. (why don't you just go anyway?)

Who mentioned the Capital of the North. Did I? No I didn't, so shut the f*** up. My posts were aimed at Yoshef, for a reason. Where do you come into this section of the thread? You don't, so piss off!

PS. That's your probelm Albion. Your always on the outside looking in. If it's got nothing to do with you, you always try and get involved. Stick to what you do best. Being anonymous.

Hahahaha, you really are hilarious, so much bile in reply to a perfectly fair post. You nasty man calling me a 'wannabe scouser' and 'anonymous' you've cut me deep there. You do realise you've just compounded your paranoia, your massive ott reaction shows you can't take someone questioning an article which was equally OTT.

Obviously you're having issues understanding a forum, it's a place for public discussion so if you post something then it's read by all and will be responded to by anyone on the forum. I know you're not the brightest button and are getting on in life but I still expected more from you.

P.S Will you please learn the difference between 'Your' and 'You're' it's a very simple thing and makes you look deeply thick, which is worse than being anonymous my friend :lol:

Oh, and on the Anfield thing, why would I go without seeing Hull? It's not some pilgrimage thing I have no liking for Liverpool , but I want to do all the grounds in the UK and I missed the chance to do Anfield when we were in the PM.

The Liverpool entry on that guide is shit. It's not just shit, its utterly shit. So I'm glad its not popular.

Just read it, and it is indeed pretty bad, seems to be an undercurrent of dislike to it. Probably written by JRB.

How on earth has JRB come to the conclusion that questioning that article is 'baiting'? I used to think that he was a fairly level headed poster, but he seems to have been influenced by thefly.

Albion.

I'm not interested in your life story. Football or otherwise.

You still haven't got a clue why I replied to yoshef. So why try and second guess?

Stop making assumptions. I'm certainly not influenced by you, that's for sure.

BTW. Did you vote tonight?

Albion.

I'm not interested in your life story. Football or otherwise.

You still haven't got a clue why I replied to yoshef. So why try and second guess?

Stop making assumptions. I'm certainly not influenced by you, that's for sure.

BTW. Did you vote tonight?

Stop trying to be funny, you're a thick, middle-aged man, just go to bed.

Just read it, and it is indeed pretty bad, seems to be an undercurrent of dislike to it. Probably written by JRB.

Once again Albion, your stupidity is there for everyone to see.

As many on the Liverpool forum will tell you, I don't slag, for want of a better word, Liverpool off. I only slag certain posters off who deserve it, through ill thought out posts and attacks on either myself or Manchester.

Now do me and everyone else a favour and go and do something more constructive with your time. Like postong about your home town football club.

Once again Albion, your stupidity is there for everyone to see.

As many on the Liverpool forum will tell you, I don't slag, for want of a better word, Liverpool off. I only slag certain posters off who deserve it, through ill thought out posts and attacks on either myself or Manchester.

Now do me and everyone else a favour and go and do something more constructive with your time. Like postong about your football home town club.

Once again I urge you to make tracks and go to bed, you've embarrassed yourself enough this evening. You're an easy touch, never seen such an angry response to a mild mannered post.

Keep it coming though old man, you're giving me a good old giggle.

Stop trying to be funny, you're a thick, middle-aged man, just go to bed.

Your Albionfagan. There's nothing more that needs to be said. Your reputation goes before you.

PS. We could spend all night trading insults, but with school in the morning it would be better if you turned off your computer, XBOX and bedroom light. Sweet dreams Albion.

Calling a horse Barcelona, and trying to make out it isn't like Red Rum, is.........


Come now, do you think I'm on some mad rampant attack against mancunia? Is that my usual modus operandi? You mentioned North Wales in the context of an exagerated Liverpool City Region the other day, I ignored it, even though I disagreed with the sentiment. Why do you think that was? Do you think it was because I gave you the benefit of the doubt? :soapbox:

Your Albionfagan. There's nothing more that needs to be said. Your reputation goes before you.

PS. We could spend all night trading insults, but with school in the morning it would be better if you turned off your computer, XBOX and bedroom light. Sweet dreams Albion.

My 'reputation', hang on I thought you said I was anonymous? I feel bad that you don't even recognise your own embarrassment and are contradicting yourself within minutes.

It's been fun, until the next time :lol: :lol:

Come now, do you think I'm on some mad rampant attack against mancunia? Is that my usual modus operandi? You mentioned North Wales in the context of an exagerated Liverpool City Region the other day, I ignored it, even though I disagreed with the sentiment. Why do you think that was? Do you think it was because I gave you the benefit of the doubt? :chill:

Exactly Yoshef. Shocked? I nearly fell of my computer chair when I read your l:poke: Is this the Yoshef I've come to respect? The up standing, opend minded and level headed poster from the Liverpool forum, who wouldn't punch under the belt, even if the opportunity was given to him. Of course he isn't.

As for my remarks regarding North Wales. It's openly discussed on the Liverpool forum, and it's a wide held belief. As for Barcelona. That's just a pipe dream mentioned by one or two on the Manchester forum. There is a subtle , but FUCK OFF difference.

I've always giVEn you the benefit of the doubt Yoshef. And I will keep on doing, even after tonight my friend.

He must have stayed at the 5* Owens Park Plaza then.No, I think he said they (his family and him) stayed at a hotel in the city centre named the Premier or Premium or something like that.

My 'reputation', hang on I thought you said I was anonymous? I feel bad that you don't even recognise your own embarrassment and are contradicting yourself within minutes.

It's been fun, until the next time :lol: :lol:

Oh, but you are anonymous Albion. In so many ways. Unfortunately you have this tiresome reputation of constantly getting involved in discussions that have nothing to do with you.

Do yourself and all of us a favour. Stay anonymous.

BTW. Over use of :lol:, makes you look a.........(fill in as appropriate)

Exactly Yoshef. Shocked? I nearly fell of my computer chair when I read your l:poke: Is this the Yoshef I've come to respect? The up standing, opend minded and level headed poster from the Liverpool forum, who wouldn't punch under the belt, even if the opportunity was given to him. Of course he isn't.

As for my remarks regarding North Wales. It's openly discussed on the Liverpool forum, and it's a wide held belief. As for Barcelona. That's just a pipe dream mentioned by one or two on the Manchester forum. There is a subtle , but FUCK OFF difference.

I've always giVEn you the benefit of the doubt Yoshef. And I will keep on doing, even after tonight my friend.


thought I had stepped out of the circle of trust then :lol:

No, I think he said they (his family and him) stayed at a hotel in the city centre named the Premier or Premium or something like that.

It doesn't matter Sloyne. Don't worry, on the evolutionary chain your still in fornt of Albion and another.(who will remain nameless)

BTW. Next time your mate comes to Manchester, let me know. I'll show him a good time. He won't be the same again. Trust me.

No, I think he said they (his family and him) stayed at a hotel in the city centre named the Premier or Premium or something like that.


Primark?

thought I had stepped out of the circle of trust then :lol:

Could never be that way. The faith may have been shaken, but it's still strong!

Good night that man. :)

Could never be that way. The faith may have been shaken, but it's still strong!

Good night that man. :)

:cheers:

Oh, but you are anonymous Albion. In so many ways. Unfortunately you have this tiresome reputation of constantly getting involved in discussions that have nothing to do with you.

Do yourself and all of us a favour. Stay anonymous.

BTW. Over use of :lol:, makes you look a.........(fill in as appropriate)

It's a forum you tool, I commented on the article which you then proceeded to do also, I commented in a perfectly amiable fashion but you then came back with a manic tirade . I realise you've got yourself all het up over this and can't think rationally, hopefully tomorrow you'll look back and cringe. Good to see my anonymity remains strong, mentioning me in posts not even directed me, deary me JRB you just don't help yourself.

It's the only way I can express my laughter at you I'm afraid, you reckon you can master the difference between 'your' and 'you're' by tomorrow evening?

BTW. Next time your mate comes to Manchester, let me know. I'll show him a good time. He won't be the same again. Trust me.He's a decent heterosexual family man and not into having that kind of good time. Also, the way he described Manchester I do honestly think that if he was on a flight overflying the place he would ask to be re-routed around the it.

By the way, if you would like some insight into Barcelona, the capital of Catalunya, I, being very familiar with the place, can offer you some insights. One being that a Manchester look-a-like it is not.

It's a forum you tool, I commented on the article which you then proceeded to do also, I commented in a perfectly amiable fashion but you then came back with a manic tirade . I realise you've got yourself all het up over this and can't think rationally, hopefully tomorrow you'll look back and cringe. Good to see my anonymity remains strong, mentioning me in posts not even directed me, deary me JRB you just don't help yourself.

It's the only way I can express my laughter at you I'm afraid, you reckon you can master the difference between 'your' and 'you're' by tomorrow evening?

You are the most unconstructive forumer though. You do have a habit of moping about saying everything is shit.

First of all, obviously Manchester is a class city, i think that can be lost amongst all the shit posted against it. Sometimes I go into town and it surprises me because I begin to believe some of the shit on here. Anyway, Barcelona. I mean, whoever said that Manchester looks to Barcelona as its nearest rival is obviously a numpty. I think mancunians mainly look at London and Liverpool to do one over on.. whether they look back or not - i don't give a shit. The comparison between Barcelona and Manchester isn't that hilarious though. And it speaks of peoples ignorance that they think that is so funny. Not that this puts Manchester on the same level but Barcelona not long ago, like Manchester, was a post industrial city with vast swathes of urban croft like Manchester, but through successive waves of regeneration (buoyed by things like the olympics.. see) it has become more of a place again. But of course Barcelona might always be more of a place than Manchester because it is a capital city and has the metropolitan architecture to match.

I wouldn't want to show your mate around Manchester. He comes across as a twat. Funny that. :)

You are the most unconstructive forumer though. You do have a habit of moping about saying everything is shit.



Not really true, if you've only read my posts in this thread then you might think that but this is essentially an 'unconstructive' thread. Obviously I post a lot on here, but I also post in places where I spend my time Liverpool mostly but occasionally in the Humber subsection.

Regardless, JRB's response to my comment was totally unecessarry and pretty embarrassing.

Not really true, if you've only read my posts in this thread then you might think that but this is essentially an 'unconstructive' thread. Obviously I post a lot on here, but I also post in places where I spend my time Liverpool mostly but occasionally in the Humber subsection.

Regardless, JRB's response to my comment was totally unecessarry and pretty embarrassing.

fair point well made. Yeh Jrb's an emotional guy and yes I agree he needs to take things on the chin better. :okay:

Tbh some of my comments were pretty pathetic too, shame because I think JRB's a pretty good poster and always presents the Manchester case well.

Barcelona not long ago was a post industrial city with vast swathes of urban croft.But even then, if that were true, Barcelona still had the magnificent medieval church of Santa Maria del Mar, the 14 century Cathedral and square which, for more than a century, stages an impromptu folk dance with both locals and tourists joining in after the 11-oclock mass on sunday mornings, the Placa del Toros one of Spains finest bullrings, the Guadi iconic Sagrada Familia and many other Guadi structures, Mercat Boquieria which has had a market in the same location for over 1000 years, Catalunya Square, a metro rail system that all but London would envy, a waterfront with a promenade (Ronda del Litoral) running alongside and overlooking the port and Mediteranean Sea and Las Ramblas has hardly changed in more than a century and is one of Europes finest boulevards. I could on and on, and will do so to educate those who still have rediculous notions of Manchester being a British version of Barcelona.:ohno:

But even then, if that were true, Barcelona still had the magnificent medieval church of Santa Maria del Mar, the 14 century Cathedral and square which, for more than a century, stages an impromptu folk dance with both locals and tourists joining in after the 11-oclock mass on sunday mornings, the Placa del Toros one of Spains finest bullrings, the Guadi iconic Sagrada Familia and many other Guadi structures, Mercat Boquieria which has had a market in the same location for over 1000 years, Catalunya Square, a metro rail system that all but London would envy, a waterfront with a promenade (Ronda del Litoral) running alongside and overlooking the port and Mediteranean Sea and Las Ramblas has hardly changed in more than a century and is one of Europes finest boulevards. I could on and on, and will do so to educate those who still have rediculous notions of Manchester being a British version of Barcelona.:ohno:

People have made comparisons between NY and Liverpool, do you not think this is equally if not more ludicrous and why aren't you railing against that?

Tbh some of my comments were pretty pathetic too, shame because I think JRB's a pretty good poster and always presents the Manchester case well.

Brave admission (in this thread at least)

another thing about jrb is that as much as he'll pounce on you if he's offended he'll pounce on a chance to make up. so i think everything's gravy.

But even then, if that were true, Barcelona still had the magnificent medieval church of Santa Maria del Mar, the 14 century Cathedral and square which, for more than a century, stages an impromptu folk dance with both locals and tourists joining in after the 11-oclock mass on sunday mornings, the Placa del Toros one of Spains finest bullrings, the Guadi iconic Sagrada Familia and many other Guadi structures, Mercat Boquieria which has had a market in the same location for over 1000 years, Catalunya Square, a metro rail system that all but London would envy, a waterfront with a promenade (Ronda del Litoral) running alongside and overlooking the port and Mediteranean Sea and Las Ramblas has hardly changed in more than a century and is one of Europes finest boulevards. I could on and on, and will do so to educate those who still have rediculous notions of Manchester being a British version of Barcelona.:ohno:

hence why i said, two sentences after that

"But of course Barcelona might always be more of a place than Manchester because it is a capital city and has the metropolitan architecture to match."

moron

People have made comparisons between NY and Liverpool, do you not think this is equally if not more ludicrous and why aren't you railing against that?I will leave that to yourself because I have not read that comment. Perhaps you could enlighten me. In just what way is Liverpool supposedly likened to New York City?

"But of course Barcelona might always be more of a place than Manchester because it is a capital city and has the metropolitan architecture to match."The point being that Barcelona has been a prominant centre of Mediteranean commerce for thousands of years. Phoenecians, Greeks, Egyptians, Romans, Moores, Franks, Persians etc., all have traded with the port for thousands of years. Manchester prominence stems from the, relatively recent, Industrial Revolution.

@Kids
Barcelona is not a capital city. It's just far superior to Manchester in every way.

I will leave that to yourself because I have not read that comment. Perhaps you could enlighten me. In just what way is Liverpool supposedly likened to New York City?

This notion of Liverpool 'looking to America' being a 'mini manhattan', it's not a popular idea but it's been mentioned.

The point being that Barcelona has been a prominant centre of Mediteranean commerce for thousands of years. Phoenecians, Greeks, Egyptians, Romans, Moores, Franks, Persians etc., all have traded with the port for thousands of years. Manchester prominence stems from the, relatively recent, Industrial Revolution.

Yeh. That is my point.

It would be interesting to see some pictures of Barcelona 20 years ago and to see whether the catalan colour you're talking about is evident in Barcelona then. When you see how much of Barcelona is new build then you realise how derelict the city was. You know... the area around poblenou, what's its colloquial nickname again?

El Doncaster Catalan or something. :)

This notion of Liverpool 'looking to America' being a 'mini manhattan', it's not a popular idea but it's been mentioned.Commercial Liverpool "looking westward toward the New World" I can see. And I can see the afinity between Liverpool seamen and New York with the connection between the two places, remember, "New York ships trade with Liverpool, Liverpool ships trade with the world" which inscription can still be seen at South Street Seaport at the foot of Wall street. However a "Mini Manhattan", I just can't make that leap.

@Kids
Barcelona is not a capital city. It's just far superior to Manchester in every way.

yeh well i agree. Manchester's an English city.

Yeh. That is my point.

It would be interesting to see some pictures of Barcelona 20 years ago and to see whether the catalan colour you're talking about is evident in Barcelona then. When you see how much of Barcelona is new build then you realise how derelict the city was. You know... the area around poblenou, what's its colloquial nickname again?

El Doncaster Catalan or something. :)All the Modernisme stuff was already built 20 years ago, including La Pedrera, Parc Guell, and Gaudi's completed section of the Sagrada Familia. They also had the entire Eixample grid, and of course everything in the gothic quarter. What Barcelona has added in the last 20 years is mere superficial gloss. Barcelona already had far more going for it than Manchester ever has. That's why it was absurd for Mancs to suggest comparison. There are also factors of better food, nightlife, climate, location, etc. There are very good reasons why Barcelona is considered one of the coolest and most desirable cities in Europe, attracting people from all over, and why Manchester is not, and does not.

wowowow. you need to talk to the catalans mate. there isn't a district in mancheser named for barca. only a bar. there's a bar in barcelona called manchester and a district. take it to them fella, ask them why they compare half of that Eixample grid to the big MCR.

never seen such an angry response



what about when you saw you own respose in the skyline thread where you called Leeds forumers "scum, utter scum" and then edited it out yesterday? would you say that was an angrier response?

Manchester ... a great place, has enough going on there to equal San Francisco, without the hassle of the beggars, tramps and pick pockets!

Sorry... whilst I quite like Manchester, you're talking out of your arse if you don't think it has any of the above!!

what about when you saw you own respose in the skyline thread where you called Leeds forumers "scum, utter scum" and then edited it out yesterday? would you say that was an angrier response?

Well pointed out. It's fair to say the lad can be irrational at times...

not being funny lad but what is there to do in Leeds.

Ah you know, the usual. Few museums, theatres, galleries, shops etc. Obviously not on the same cultural level as stuffing your face with rock and then throwing up on the rollercoaster... :)

Wrong.(I don't need to revisit your last post)

Let's leave it at that. Everyone else must be getting bored of it now.

Monkey! Maybe tonight, but definitely tomorrow.

Sorry... whilst I quite like Manchester, you're talking out of your arse if you don't think it has any of the above!!

To be fair to the beggars, tramps and pick pockets, you don't see many, if any around the city centre. They used to congregate around Piccadilly Gardens before it was redeveloped. Not saying there still aren't any of the above in Manchester City Centre, but you'd be hard pressed to find them to be honest. I've only come across a few every now and again as I'm crossing Piccadilly.

@Kids
Barcelona is not a capital city. It's just far superior to Manchester in every way.

From a tourist point of view I also think it a superior place to visit than London too, better nightlife , better food, better location, better weather etc etc and of course cheaper

a weekend in london or barca.....i know which one i will take

i still dont get this saying, 'the manchester of spain' ie barcelona, where did that one come from ?, most mancs just laugh at it, was it those catalans:lol:

To be honest Manchester has the best skyline. Im sure most of you will agree, New york and hong kong are up there but they still have a few years to go before there on manchesters level.

wrong thread?

To be honest Manchester has the best skyline. Im sure most of you will agree, New york and hong kong are up there but they still have a few years to go before there on manchesters level.

I agree 100%. If only either of those two cities could have got there hands on Victorian red brick, they would have a skyline to boast about. :nuts:

As for glass and steel. We are slowly catching up.

PS. Newbie '13 post alert'. It isn't another alter ego is it?

To be honest Manchester has the best skyline. Im sure most of you will agree, New york and hong kong are up there but they still have a few years to go before there on manchesters level.However, it (Manchester) has surpassed the likes of Chicago, Houston, Singapore, Shanghai and Kuala Lumpur.

However, it (Manchester) has surpassed the likes of Chicago, Houston, Singapore, Shanghai and Kuala Lumpur.

Indeed. All those cities also lack Victorian red brick. TBH most cities in the world do. Once they're all razed to the ground and rebuilt in Victorian red brick, we might, just might, have some serious competition.

Sloyne. Can you please tell us why you did this? http://www.skyscrapercity.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=88333 Surely to God your not that bitter and removed form sanity? Then again. Is No2 your mate?

Indeed. All those cities also lack Victorian red brick. TBH most cities in the world do. Once they're all razed to the ground and rebuilt in Victorian red brick, we might, just might, have some serious competition.

Sloyne. Can you please tell us why you did this? http://www.skyscrapercity.com/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=88333 Surely to God your not that bitter and removed form sanity? Then again. Is No2 your mate?
Add 'bogeyana' to his numerous handles jerbs.

He votes early.......and....... often!!

It's a shame really, that he has chosen to be disturbingly obsessed with Manchester.

At this late stage in his life, he should be getting out as much as possible to enjoy what's left of his time.

hilarious. a londoner out of the blue bemoans mancunians for saying that barcelona is a rival of manchester - the only proof of this apparently widespread mancunian opinion is that some (probably foreign) idiot on lonely planet said it. and then you get everyone else saying mancunians are big headed. manchester gets flack from all directions. keep it coming guys, it's quite flattering. :okay:

look at this, pathetic from barcelona trying to piggyback on manchester, this is a proposed model village for the city.

http://www.art-miniatures.com/img/planol_g.gif

they need to get real or what. :lol:

look at this mad bitch. writing a book comparing the two cities. LOL. big headed or what. i mean she sounds foreign but let's be honest she's probably just a big headed manc!

http://i56.tinypic.com/2ibk9pc.jpg

look at this mad bitch. writing a book comparing the two cities. LOL. big headed or what. i mean she sounds foreign but let's be honest she's probably just a big headed manc!

http://i56.tinypic.com/2ibk9pc.jpg

Hi Kids, I don't think `facts' will stop Sloyne from slagging us off!

look at this mad bitch. writing a book comparing the two cities. LOL. big headed or what. i mean she sounds foreign but let's be honest she's probably just a big headed manc!

http://i56.tinypic.com/2ibk9pc.jpg

Kids is the Simon Cowell of SSC..

Cool, calm, collective, thoughtful and always delivers the knockout line. Who's going to win it Simon?

Simon Cowell can FUCK OFF.

British cities need to sort out their inner city suburbs,till then any comparison with Barcelona or other Central and North European cities, it's just ridiculous. Manchester has a beautiful city centre BUT is circled by a huge wasteland of low density council housing and derelict warehouses. The same applies more or less every other major British city.

British cities need to sort out their inner city suburbs,till then any comparison with Barcelona or other Central and North European cities, it's just ridiculous. Manchester has a beautiful city centre BUT is circled by a huge wasteland of low density council housing and derelict warehouses. The same applies for more or less every other major British city.

I agree with the low density comment...which discourages the growth of the city and the supporting infrastructure, such as mass transit.

But.

Barcelona is a shit-hole. There are appalling signs of squalor and the centre looks very cheap and tacky in places, Manchester and no doubt some other major UK cities, looks sophisticated, clean and smart in comparison.

Only the European capitals have centres to be proud of, the Barcelona, Marseille, Milan's of Europe are frankly a shambles and look like Manchester pre 1990. Run-down, lacking in investment, dirty and squalid...with a couple of nice areas.

UK cities are clean and tidy in comparison. Well certainly Manchester is!

Sorry but I've been both in Barcelona and Milan, and while Manchester's the central core is comparable as a huge amount of work's been done the last 15-20 years (same applies for more or less Birmingham, Leeds, Liverpool etc.), it doesn't change the fact that you just have to drive a mile from Manchester town hall and you're in the middle of a post industrial area filled with shitty 1960's council housing, while in cities like Barcelona or Milan there is a continuous of dense high quality urbanity (the dodgy bit's the exception)

There is still a long way till we completely reverse the mistakes of 60s and 70s planners, the regeneration that took place the last 15 years only took us half the way.

Barcelona shits all over Manchester.

In my opinion.

Barcelona is a shit-hole. There are appalling signs of squalor and the centre looks very cheap and tacky in places, Manchester and no doubt some other major UK cities, looks sophisticated, clean and smart in comparison.
Quite specifically not mentioning anything other than squalor. The bad parts of Barcelona are much more exenstive and more deprived than Manchester.

Perhaps you are unaware of how appalling the Spanish economy is compared to our welfare state...no one is remotely poor in this country compared with Barca, Milan etc.

Social deprivation is in your face there. Beggars everywhere, graffitti, rubbish and squalor.

Sorry but I've been both in Barcelona and Milan, and while Manchester's the central core is comparable as a huge amount of work's been done the last 15-20 years (same applies for more or less Birmingham, Leeds, Liverpool etc.), it doesn't change the fact that you just have to drive a mile from Manchester town hall and you're in the middle of a post industrial area filled with shitty 1960's council housing, while in cities like Barcelona or Milan there is a continuous of dense high quality urbanity (the dodgy bit's the exception)

There is still a long way till we completely reverse the mistakes of 60s and 70s planners, the regeneration that took place the last 15 years only took us half the way.

Yeah Barcelona is way ahead of any English city in terms of regeneration. But the method is the same, it's physical regeneration and unsustainable housing development in an attempt to foster investment.

I was actually listening to a lecture last night by Monica Degen (mainly about Barcelona, because it's more fashionable) and she was talking about how the Catalan planners were more open about how they wanted to remove the "scum" from the inner city parts of Barcelona and that they wanted Barcelona to resemble a northern city rather than a southern city (i.e. they wanted to get rid of the working class - this is in contrast to the English planners who said the same things but in a round-about way.. see chimney pot park.) The now fashionable El Raval was just a slum. The point is that as much as people like Eutex and Langur can wax lyrical about the history of Barcelona and how it's been amazing forever, that only proves one thing - that perceptions change FAST. There was no tourism in Barcelona before the Olympics, it was just an immense, post-industrial shit hole with vast levels of deprivation and unemployment. And so it's a rational comparison and an almost (because of the sun) realisitc benchmark for English cities.

..not that that method is a good thing.

..not that that method is a good thing.

Well this method's same in nearly every central and north European city. Aggressive gentrification and removal of the vast majority of council housing from the British inner cities should be core strategy.

There are inner city areas in Birmingham where 60-70% of the total housing is council built or council owned (ladywood) and I bet the same applies for areas of Manchester, Leeds etc....

chimney pot park

That's an absolutely brilliant project.

It looks very nice yeh...

^Except for the visible part along Langworthy Road which has been left half built behind unsightly, kicked down boards hiding piles of shite for the last year.

When the sun shines, even shit areas look a bit nicer which is why Barcelona will always win, also on top of that, Barcelona now has a fantastic international airport, good public transport, nice weather, near the sea, hosted the olympics, and a truly 24 hour city, i know where i would want to be.

And i bet when these list of top european cities are announced by European cities monitor, Barcelona will probably always be above both Manchester and Birmingham and so are most 2nd tier cities in europe especially the german ones. British cities apart from London are always further down the list.

This is why we need stuff like HS2 in this country to create more wealth and jobs in the other major cities and not just London/South east.
We should be more like a federal state like in Germany where not everything is centred on Berlin and all cities are successfull.

Well this method's same in nearly every central and north European city. Aggressive gentrification and removal of the vast majority of council housing from the British inner cities should be core strategy.

There are inner city areas in Birmingham where 60-70% of the total housing is council built or council owned (ladywood) and I bet the same applies for areas of Manchester, Leeds etc....

That's an absolutely brilliant project.


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:eek2:

Did he just advocate social cleansing?! :ohno:

Ghettoisation of rich and poor is not the answer...

just wanted to add to the Bolton/Manchester debate...

I'm from Bolton, dragged up and lived there for 30 odd years, in a part of the town that was given over to the Bolton Borough in the 70s from Salford Borough/Diocese.

Basically people in Bolton Hate being seen as part of Manchester (itself originally a suburb of Salford, with City centres about a mile apart) and you'll be hard pressed to find anyone on a street that will tell you they are part of Manchester in any way. In this respect it is a very proud town.

The Reebok is still essentially part of Bolton, just off Horwich, always considered to be part of the Bolton area.

People of the Town have long campaigned to be re-instated to Lancashire, and fundamentally it still is part of Lancashire, tied to Manchester for Political reasons and the boundaries they created.

In fact most people still adddress their mail as Lancashire, not Greater Manchester. Its a similar thing to the Wirral which considers itself Cheshire, not Merseyside, and retains its CH postcode, though there is definitely a snobbish element there. I now live on the Wirral BTW)

True the borough relies heavily on Manchester economically, but is fast creating its own structure that does ensure to locals that the need to travel to Manchester is very limited) and is tied to the City (sorry, County) council in many ways. As for the tram links, it has always amazed me why it hasn't been linked to Bolton yet.

Views of a Bolton boy. Nothing more.

Inner city areas are awful in all major cities. Liverpool, Manchester and Newcastle have a big problem with this. Now that their city centres are basically sorted I think the council needs to focus on inner city areas now.

Did he just advocate social cleansing?! :ohno:

Ghettoisation of rich and poor is not the answer...

I don't advocate any social cleansing, what I'm saying is inner suburbs (due to stupid 60-70s policies) have a really high percentage of social housing compared to private. High council ownership tends to go hand in hand with high levels of deprivation. The number has to be brought down to more manageable levels.

hmm.. I don't think that's how it works.

You sound like langur making a joke.

How about actually putting something really meaningful into these places, like jobs, prospects...then you might see a reduction in this godawful 'deprivation'..I mean what will all the tourists think? People seem to care more about people coming to the city than those that actually live there.

nail on the head.

The most depressing thing is the number of people on the housing lists, i think it was 21,000 in greater manchester earlier this year, next to the vast amounts of empty "luxury" flats developers cling onto. It should be criminal to hoard property.

Barcelona is a shit-hole. There are appalling signs of squalor and the centre looks very cheap and tacky in places, Manchester and no doubt some other major UK cities, looks sophisticated, clean and smart in comparison.

Only the European capitals have centres to be proud of, the Barcelona, Marseille, Milan's of Europe are frankly a shambles and look like Manchester pre 1990. Run-down, lacking in investment, dirty and squalid...with a couple of nice areas.

UK cities are clean and tidy in comparison. Well certainly Manchester is!Lol! :laugh:

Spain is definitely more, what's the adjective here, third-world (?) than England. Manchester's in England.

I don't know about Barcelona, I think the authority there go overboard to make sure the place (at least the tourist areas and regeneration areas) are especially clean. That is the point. But pre Olympics Barcelona must've been like Naples or even worse.

Pre-Olympics Barcelona already pissed all over Manchester. Its architecture was already in a different league. Anyway Manchester is Third World. Anyone read Hard Times by Dickens? It's about a squalid milltown and is based on Manchester. Manchester's like Calcutta, only more drab, grey, bleak, and sooty, and without Calcutta's balmy tropical climate and grand architecture. Come to think of it, Calcutta's better in almost every way.

:lol: right.

Pre-Olympics Barcelona already pissed all over Manchester. Its architecture was already in a different league. Anyway Manchester is Third World. Anyone read Hard Times by Dickens? It's about a squalid milltown and is based on Manchester. Manchester's like Calcutta, only more drab, grey, bleak, and sooty, and without Calcutta's balmy tropical climate and grand architecture. Come to think of it, Calcutta's better in almost every way.

I thought you were talking about Stratford in East London? Wait a minute, you are. :lol: Thankfully due to the Olympiss(take), and a £10bill(probably £12-15bill by now) handout from the previous and current Governments, Stratford and the surrounding area of East London will be dragged up by it's arse end.

It's a pity the other deprived areas and sink estates of London won't benefit. Still, we can all kid ourselves that the streets of the handout capital of Europe, or even the world, are still paved with gold. :colgate:

But pre Olympics Barcelona must've been like Naples or even worse.Not so, the Olympics had it's impact but nowhere near the major impact the Commonwealth Games was for Manchester. Barcelona, for sure, does have some deprived areas but the city is, and has been, a major Mediteranean centre of culture, commerce and sport. Barcelona suffered at the hands of Franco due to the anti Fascist stance of it's citizens and indeed the citizens of Catalunya. Madrid being favored by the government in Madrid, not unlike Manchester in England. Also, the only things Barcelona has in common with Naples is that they are both Mediteranean cities the are both Latin and both have a nice climate.

In the past three decades Barcelona's La Prat airport has only added the "Air Bridge" shuttle terminal and remodled and extended it's main passenger terminal and made terminal 1 like a new terminal. However, T1, is never the less a remodel job. Other than the previously mentioned shuttle terminal, Barcelona has not added any new terminals.

Like I said in an earlier post, Barcelona has been doing the city and port thing for milleneum, Manchester for little more than a century.

How about actually putting something really meaningful into these places, like jobs, prospects...then you might see a reduction in this godawful 'deprivation'..I mean what will all the tourists think? People seem to care more about people coming to the city than those that actually live there.

What do you mean putting jobs in the area. Manchester city centre's around the corner and it's been a booming city for the last 10-15 years.
Balanced communities's the key to get people out of deprivation.


nail on the head.

The most depressing thing is the number of people on the housing lists, i think it was 21,000 in greater manchester earlier this year, next to the vast amounts of empty "luxury" flats developers cling onto. It should be criminal to hoard property.

Sorry but that number means nothing to me. A huge number of these people live in private properties anyway. Only a tiny percentage of these 21,000 is actually homeless. For the rest, government could instead introduce grants and low interest mortgages to help them get on the property ladder.

Not so, the Olympics had it's impact but nowhere near the major impact the Commonwealth Games was for Manchester. Barcelona, for sure, does have some deprived areas but the city is, and has been, a major Mediteranean centre of culture, commerce and sport. Barcelona suffered at the hands of Franco due to the anti Fascist stance of it's citizens and indeed the citizens of Catalunya. Madrid being favored by the government in Madrid, not unlike Manchester in England. Also, the only things Barcelona has in common with Naples is that they are both Mediteranean cities the are both Latin and both have a nice climate.

In the past three decades Barcelona's La Prat airport has only added the "Air Bridge" shuttle terminal and remodled and extended it's main passenger terminal and made terminal 1 like a new terminal. However, T1, is never the less a remodel job. Other than the previously mentioned shuttle terminal, Barcelona has not added any new terminals.

well i listened to an hour long lecture by monica degen last night on Barcelona and she described it, before the olympics, as a slum with vasts amounts of poverty, unemploympent and zero tourism. so who to believe. someone with a phd or bitter old loser on the internet.. hmm. tough one. :)

well i listened to an hour long lecture by monica degen last night on Barcelona and she described it, before the olympics, as a slum with vasts amounts of poverty, unemploympent and zero tourism. so who to believe. someone with a phd or bitter old loser on the internet.. hmm. tough one. :)You will believe who you will believe, I don't give a shit but "Loser"? Just what, compared to yourself and your circumstances, would warrant me being a "Loser"?:nuts: I bet you live in a house like you can see on Coronation Street.

Sorry but that number means nothing to me. A huge number of these people live in private properties anyway. Only a tiny percentage of these 21,000 is actually homeless. For the rest, government could instead introduce grants and low interest mortgages to help them get on the property ladder.

yeh they're not homeless but they might be living in standard sized houses in non-standard numbers. Beautifying can only really mask the poverty. There is a market for homes and yet new property can't get off the ground post-recession, does that not strike you as fucked up?

Pre-Olympics Barcelona already pissed all over Manchester. Its architecture was already in a different league. Anyway Manchester is Third World. Anyone read Hard Times by Dickens? It's about a squalid milltown and is based on Manchester. Manchester's like Calcutta, only more drab, grey, bleak, and sooty, and without Calcutta's balmy tropical climate and grand architecture. Come to think of it, Calcutta's better in almost every way.Yeah, Calcutta's architecture pisses all over anything in Manchester:

http://www.toursoperatorindia.com/Kolkata/img/Victoria_Memorial.jpg

Well, i was hoping you were gonna say something about how good slum clearance is in controlling the poor. But there you go. :D

Yeah, Calcutta's architecture pisses all over anything in Manchester:

http://www.toursoperatorindia.com/Kolkata/img/Victoria_Memorial.jpgAnd that shot isn't even the best angle to view the building from. I bet some of Manchester's architecture could double for West Bengall, for sure.:lol:

You will believe who you will believe, I don't give a shit but "Loser"? Just what, compared to yourself and your circumstances, would warrant me being a "Loser"?:nuts: I bet you live in a house like you can see on Coronation Street.

:lol:

Well, i was hoping you were gonna say something about how good slum clearance is in controlling the poor. But there you go. :DPeterloo showed how to control the Mancunian poor. My great great great grandfather led the charge you know. Splendid stuff! :horse:

:lol:What is your criteria for "Loser"?

http://www.uncp.edu/home/rwb/factory_manchester.gif

Peterloo showed how to control the Mancunian poor. My great great great grandfather led the charge you know. Splendid stuff! :horse:

that's more like it. :okay:

http://www.uncp.edu/home/rwb/manchester.jpg

What is your criteria for "Loser"?

do you want me to pm you? or do you want me to explain why you're completely worthless here?

Peterloo showed how to control the Mancunian poor. My great great great grandfather led the charge you know. Splendid stuff! :horse:

The Streets of London.

I'll show you something to make you change your mind.

Have you seen the old man
In the closed-down market
Kicking up the paper,
with his worn out shoes?
In his eyes you see no pride
And held loosely at his side
Yesterday's paper telling yesterday's news

So how can you tell me you're lonely,
And say for you that the sun don't shine?
Let me take you by the hand and lead you through the streets of London
I'll show you something to make you change your mind

Have you seen the old girl
Who walks the streets of London
Dirt in her hair and her clothes in rags?
She's no time for talking,
She just keeps right on walking
Carrying her home in two carrier bags.

Chorus

In the all night cafe
At a quarter past eleven,
Same old man is sitting there on his own
Looking at the world
Over the rim of his tea-cup,
Each tea last an hour
Then he wanders home alone

Chorus

And have you seen the old man
Outside the seaman's mission
Memory fading with
The medal ribbons that he wears.
In our winter city,
The rain cries a little pity
For one more forgotten hero
And a world that doesn't care

Chorus

do you want me to pm you? or do you want me to explain why you're completely worthless here?What is your criteria for being a "Loser"?

:lol: have it your way.

you are bitter.

you are a fantasist.

you are full of irrational hatred.

basically you are berrating your generalised perception of a Mancunian because of an irrational hatred of Manchester formed, essentially, through your own sense of worthlessness and insecurity (so you ascribe all of your pride and worth to the city of your birth). grow up/get over it. :)

It's amazing what you can find on the interweb. Put something into google, and a every now and again a gem pops up. I kid you not. :wink2:

Enjoy. :colgate:

London dirty and rowdy, says 1605 tourist
Tourists have been complaining that London is rowdy, dirty and has disgusting food for at least 400 years, according to recent research.

http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/00997/460-london-dirty_997151c.jpg
Luisa de Carvajal whinged about London being a dirty city 400 years ago, and some may argue that nothing has changed Photo: MIKE KING

By Stephen Adams 1:26PM BST 23 Sep 2008 In 1605 Spanish noblewoman Luisa de Carvajal stayed in the capital and wrote back to friends complaining of the discomforts of her visit.
Her letters, which reveal how little certain aspects have changed, have just been translated into English by Dr Glyn Redworth, a senior lecturer in history at Manchester University.

The Spaniard wrote: "At times they grind me down with the noise that comes through the wall where I sleep. All you hear is the sound of meat being roasted and others cooking, eating, playing and drinking. On Fridays it gets worse."

English cooking did not whet her appetite, she complained.
"The food looks good, but has no smell and almost no taste and is not very nourishing," she wrote.
"You can't keep it, even in winter, for four whole days without it going off."
Our shopkeepers also had a canny habit of packaging their goods to make the biggest buck, she said: "Since they sell things in pieces and not by weight, you are obliged to buy more than you need for a small household. They get around this by roasting things and keeping them as cold meats or by putting them in pastry."
She also complained that at least 25 thieves were hanged at the gallows in London every month - "even though some are children of 10 or 11" - and that hygiene was lacking.
Carvajal was a Roman Catholic firebrand who came to England to promote the faith at a time Catholics faced persecution under King James I of England.
Her letters are to be included in a new book published by Oxford University Press, entitled The She-Apostle: The Extraordinary Life and Death of Luisa de Carvajal. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/3066735/London-dirty-and-rowdy-says-1605-tourist.html400 years on, and not much has changed. :lol:

:lol: have it your way.

you are bitter.

you are a fantasist.

you are full of irrational hatred.

basically you are berrating your generalised perception of a Mancunian because of an irrational hatred of Manchester formed, essentially, through your own sense of worthlessness and insecurity (so you ascribe all of your pride and worth to the city of your birth). grow up/get over it. :)But materially, I am a success, in fact I probably make more in a year than you are likely to earn in a life time and I choose where I live, because I can. Every one should be a loser.:rofl:

that's more like it. :okay:Would you like to know more?Perhaps I should explain my ongoing fixation with Manchester. It's a bit of family history. You see my great great great grandfather was at Peterloo. He rode a magnificent bay charger. One of our most treasured family heirlooms is his cavalry sabre - all notched and dented from use in the battle. They say he was in the thick of the action from beginning to end. There's a fine old portrait of him over our mantlepiece. He's on his mount and sporting a splendid late Georgian beard and lambchops. It was made soon after the battle. He looks very proud. He was promoted to lieutenant‑colonel after that action.My great great great grandfather was not a Manc (the very notion!) but rather heard on the army grapevine that there was going to be action in Manchester and requested a transfer there. His enthusiasm to get "stuck-in" was matched only by his horsemanship and lightning skill with the sabre. ;)There he was, hacking and slashing away, back and forth across St Peter's Fields again and again and again, absolutely tireless in his devotion to duty! He was a great man.... :yes:HUZZAAHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/44/112144-050-91635393.jpgThe Langurs: disposing of (disposable) Mancs for generations! :horse:

But materially, I am a success, in fact I probably make more in a year than you are likely to earn in a life time and I choose where I live, because I can. Every one should be a loser.:rofl:

lol, well done.

anyway.

has anyone got any examples of new-build housing cooperatives in the UK cos if you have i would like to see them ta. :)

anyway.

has anyone got any examples of new-build housing cooperatives in the UK cos if you have i would like to see them ta. :)Why, do want to move out of Coronation Street? Can you afford it?:lol:

ew, are you trying to groom me?

ew, are you trying to groom me?Nah! remember, you're a Manc, I wouldn't touch you with a cattle prod.:)

i don't care what you call 'em mate. get the fuck away.

ha ha this is boss, can i join in.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS-zqr5BQaUlaz8tTHAWSsz4cM1udSLfuDLvzRHA9xinR8l9w5CkA

Soon the tables will turn, london have no water,manchester do. Manchester will be the capital in 2020.

Anyway Manchester is Third World. Anyone read Hard Times by Dickens? It's about a squalid milltown and is based on Manchester.That's right Monkey. If you want to experience the grinding poverty of the slums of an industrial milltown, then Manchester is the place to go. :yes:

But materially, I am a success, in fact I probably make more in a year than you are likely to earn in a life time and I choose where I live, because I can. Every one should be a loser.:rofl:

Dear God. What a prat.

Ghandi was not a `material' success was he?
Mandela?

LS Lowry was not rich during his lifetime.

Not sure how the amount of money you have makes your opinion more valid?

You could have won the lottery?
You may have got lucky?
You may have worked hard?
You may be a genius?

Does not make your opinion on anything more valid.

Perhaps you have a PHD in the Urban Environment? Maybe that would hold sway.

Then again, if it is coming from you, the most derided puff ball on the forum, banned and brigged more times than a wayward sailor (for which you also claim to be)...then nah.

Well, i was hoping you were gonna say something about.... slum clearanceIf they cleared the slums in Manchester, then where would people live? There wouldn't be much left would there? Just a horde of old cotton mills, dole offices, and the odd footy ground.

Handout capital of Britain.

http://www.thefusionalists.com/pearly%201.JPG?0.5658868151712605

"Sorry Luv, you've already had £10 billion off us. "(it's probably £12-£14 billion now)

"That's alright Darlin." "Add it to the £1 billion you gave us for the Dome, and that makes a Wapping(think about it) £15 billion."

"You Northeners and the rest of the country are a generous lot." "God bless ya!"


IwALBheWRjA

:lol: jrb's on form

Handout capital of Britain.

http://www.thefusionalists.com/pearly%201.JPG?0.5658868151712605


... Does anyone else think that these suits are actually really cool? :cheers:

Out of interest, how much public money was spent in regenerating Londons docklands to make it attractive to big HQ's? And were the jubilee line extension, DLR, Chunnel HSRL, St Pancras, Wembley Stadium etc. all built wholly by private enterprise? Or can substantial sums be added to the numerous billions already mentioned by jrb?

I know it doesn't matter, beacause by virtue of being in London they all unquestionably benefit the whole nation, so we should be thankful.

I'm just asking out if curiosity really.

...

The thing is, Monkey used to bash Manchester with the 'handout capital' tag, but after he dropped his boasting clanger, which I picked up on(see below), he's never mentioned handouts since. Funny that. He's had no choice but to go back to chimneys, and of late Peterloo.(?)

I do find it ironic that he's now trying to focus on slums. As he lives London, and having been there myself on quite a few occasions, he should know better, because when it comes to slums and sink estates in North and East London, as well as many other area's, London is without doubt the slum capital of Britian.(having the Queen living there doesn't negate that fact either)

Don't worry, the streets are still paved with gold, If you believe one person(Monkey) on here.

http://images.travelpod.com/users/everardt/europe_2007.1189932060.streets-paved-with-gold.jpg

The glorious, the magnificent, the cool, the World in one city and the one and only LONDON!

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y68/El_Greco/Palace_of_Westminster_London_-_Feb_2007.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y68/El_Greco/Tower_bridge_London_Twilight_-_November_2006.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y68/El_Greco/City_of_London_skyline_from_London_City_Hall_-_Oct_2008.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y68/El_Greco/Piccadilly_Circus_Panorama_-_April_2007.jpg

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y68/El_Greco/Eurostar_at_St_Pancras_Jan_2008.jpg

how the fuck did this happen? i swear we were actually talking about something just two pages ago.. :lol: