My city vs Your City (official city bashing thread) [Archive] - Page 50

jrb

January 25th, 2011, 12:50 AM

For God's sake. Manchester is no longer just Manchester. It is the new Manchester City Region in all but name. It used to be called Gtr Manchester. There are no boundries to this city. There are no gaps like the Leeds City region. (Leeds, Bradford, Barnsley, etc) There are no geographical obstacales like the Mersey splitting Liverpool from the Wirrall. Manchester-Gtr Manchester is seamless. It's one big fuck off urban sprawl. And is run as such, when neccessary.

What happens at Mediacity impacts in a positive way throughout the city. What happens around the Trafford Centre/Trafford Park impacts in a positive way throughout the city. What will happen at Sports City will impact in a positive way througout the City. What happens in Bradford or Barnsley has no impact on Leeds. And vica versa. What happens in Liverpool Waters and Wirral Waters will impact on both sides of Liverpool, in a positive way. ARE YOU LOT F***ING GETTING IT YET?

Far be it for me to bullshit, but Manchester is one big fuck off City. And it is run like that by it's leaders for the good of the City and for the good of the whole population, when the right circumstances come along.(Metrolink extension, etc, etc)

Peace. :nocrook:

Wirlie G

January 25th, 2011, 12:51 AM

Come on 10123 and trolly - just embarressing yourself further here.

Thicko here has been able to answer all your 'tricky' :lol: questions yet you cannot answer just one of mine.

Suggests to all those reading that you have no foundations to your arguement and it's just all fallen apart.

Wirlie G

January 25th, 2011, 12:53 AM

In 9mins I will go to bed, happy in the knowledge that 10123 and Trolly will both have a nagging worry at the back of their minds that they know the answer to
Why do YOU think that Centre for Cities used PUA and not local authority boundaries in their report? yet they both are so insecure they cannot come to answer it.

Shame, if you really had confidence in your city, and it's future you'd be honest, as it is you come across as insecure fools not interested in having a discussion but rather just sitting in your blinkered worlds :lol:

You'll learn one day.

10123

January 25th, 2011, 12:54 AM

For God's sake. Manchester is no longer just Manchester. It is the new Manchester City Region in all but name. It used to be called Gtr Manchester. There are no boundries to this city. There are no gaps like the Leeds City region. (Leeds, Bradford, Barnsley, etc) There are no geographical obstacales like the Mersey splitting Liverpool from the Wirrall. Manchester-Gtr Manchester is seamless. It's one big fuck off urban sprawl. And is run as such, when neccessary.

What happens at Mediacity impacts on a positive way throughout the city. What happens around the Trafford Centre/Trafford Park impacts on a positive way throughout the city. What will happen at Sports City will impact in a positive way througout the City. What happens in Bradford or Barnsley has no impact on Leeds. And vica versa. What happens in Liverpool Waters and Wirral Waters will impact on both sides of Liverpool, in a positive way. ARE YOU LOT F***ING GETTING IT YET?

Far be it for me to bullshit, but Manchester is one big fuck off City. And it is run like that by it's leaders for the good of the City and for the good of the whole population, when the right circumstances come along.(Metrolink extension, etc, etc)

Peace. :nocrook:

SO why is Leeds ahead and in a better place for recovery when you have the benefits of Media city in Salfords (etc), what benefits does Leeds have? Fuck all, unless you class Bradford and Barnsely bringing the Leeds city region down.

Wirlie G

January 25th, 2011, 12:55 AM

So insecure there 10123, not even confident in your own town to answer such a simple question?

You think by answering it you'll think less off Leeds :lol:

How insecure are you???

Why do YOU think that Centre for Cities used PUA and not local authority boundaries in their report?

Answer just that one question and I will leave you for ever.

10123

January 25th, 2011, 12:55 AM

Wirlie G

January 25th, 2011, 01:00 AM

10123

January 25th, 2011, 01:03 AM

Right, so you accept that what people recognise as Manchester is three times the size of Leeds then when compared like for like?

If so, just waiting for the insecure Trolly.

Shame he has so little confidence in his home town really to answer such a simple question.

Yes I agree, which is why it makes such terrible reading for Manchester folks, you are so much bigger yet we are ahead.

BTW, London is XX times the size of Leeds and London is beating Leeds. Why can't the same be said for Manchester when pitted against Leeds?

jrb

January 25th, 2011, 01:06 AM

Just to add fuel to the fire, this just got proposed for Reading.

Nabbed from Skyscrapernews.

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/2749StationHillDevelopmentPartnersSecured_pic1.jpg

Leeds would be proud of that, after you know what. Sadly it's office market has ground to a stand still. Just over 300,000 sq ft was let last year. While Manchester accounted for over 1mill sq ft. Or 2mill sq ft if you inculde Salford Quays and South Manchester.

:goodnight (tomorrow is another day, and there is always the chance that 10123 will eventually post some information on jobs recently created in Leeds)

Wirlie G

January 25th, 2011, 01:06 AM

10123 - Indeed, you are spot on.

Just like mini-Reading is also beating Leeds and London.

Interesting isn't it?

Anyway, I think I will take Trolly's disappearing act having not answered as a very good sign off defeat.

Night all, was fun. Trolly - grow some confidence in yourself lad - it's only an internet forum, not being able to answer such a simple question that has no bearing on anything really does nothing other than make you look like an insecure fool who has been beaten in an arguement.

Anyhow, night night all. Work in the morning.

MattN

January 25th, 2011, 01:20 AM

ill tonkso,

In my view...

London 8m
Brum 2m
Manc 1.75
Liverpool 1m
Leeds 600k
Sheff 600k
Notts 600k
Newcastle 550k

is about how I see them from experience.

London always feels 'bigger' given the number of outsiders that are always in the central area.

Interesting that you should say primary urban areas correspond to what people think of as the city, and then your own list finds itself somewhat at odds with the primary urban areas. For instance, I have a hard time believing that anyone thinks Rotherham is Sheffield, or everywhere right out to Ilkeston or Heanor and Ripley are Nottingham. In the latter case they are joined to each other by tiny ribbons of inter-war semi-detached houses along main roads, hardly an 'urban lump'. Often the direct route between the city centre of Nottingham and these places involves countryside. These places must be included in the PUA since the population is near identical to that of 'Greater Nottingham', whereas the Leeds PUA seemingly excludes places that are joined to it in a similar manner judging by the difference. It is impossible to accurately compare these primary urban areas since no maps seem to be available or any other specific details regarding their extent and how they are calculated, and that wikipedia article has rather few sources and the dreaded banner of disputed neutrality. If we either exclude all these ribbons (preferable frankly) or include them in a consistent fashion, Leeds is clearly larger than Nottingham.

I'm not doing this in your quaint 'I really must stay up all night whilst constantly threatening not to, simply to make a veritable barrage of consecutive posts full of nothing but pathetic jibes about somewhere being a 'small town' because its smaller than Manchester', but simply to demonstrate that these PUAs aren't really the holy grail of fair comparison you have suggested.

Leeds No.1

January 25th, 2011, 02:37 AM

What annoys me is Liverpool is put together with these shit cities like Sunderland when I think Liverpool is in a different league. It isnt in Leeds and Bristol's league right now but I didnt think it was as shit as Hull lol.

Yes I agree. You're right- Liverpool might not have the economic strength of some other UK cities, but facts and figures in this report don't show the cultural strength of cities. Liverpool is great in many other areas that other cities couldn't live up to.

Langur

January 25th, 2011, 06:10 AM

Wait a minute, the cavalry are coming. :horse:Cool! Is it time for Peterloo part II? I can't wait! Slash, hack, HUZZAHHH!! :horse:

Wirlie G

January 25th, 2011, 07:33 AM

MattN - I don't think anyone is saying that all of Rotherham (or the other examples give) are in Sheff (or Notts) just that SOME of those towns area are in the central city. Likewise not all of Oldham is in Mancheseter, but part of Oldham MBC would be recognised as being so.

Anyway, ALL areas are treated equally, that is the key point. You may want to tightened the density requirements but that just make all the cities shrink. Hence my stating that the PUA shows the RELATIVE sizes of cities as opposed to anything exact.

Anyway, along with Trolly, why do YOU think that Centre for Cities used this measure as opposed to the local authority figures?

Wirlie G

January 25th, 2011, 07:34 AM

Wirlie G

January 25th, 2011, 08:17 AM

On way into work this morning was thinking about what has happened in the poorer areas of Manc over the last 20 years.

On the plus side, there is more oppurtunity now than before, there is lower crime and on the whole people have more money.

In the down side, and it is a rather large downside, educational levels, compared to what is required in the workplace, seem to be slipping, aspiration is getting worse and when oppurtunity does arrive it tends to be in a dead end job with crap wages, hours and general t's and c's.

I'm not sure how much live has got better / easier for the bottom 20% in Manc since the 80s depression, despite a long sustained boom period.

legolamb

January 25th, 2011, 09:50 AM

Yes I agree. You're right- Liverpool might not have the economic strength of some other UK cities, but facts and figures in this report don't show the cultural strength of cities. Liverpool is great in many other areas that other cities couldn't live up to.

Exactly. Places like Leeds aren't particularly renowned culturally and have little to offer tourists. They are primarily geared towards propping up the banking sector. Something which these sort of reports respect above all else. Not sure why though after recent events.

Wirlie G

January 25th, 2011, 10:03 AM

Exactly. Places like Leeds aren't particularly renowned culturally and have little to offer tourists. They are primarily geared towards propping up the banking sector. Something which these sort of reports respect above all else. Not sure why though after recent events.

It's nothing to do with respecting the banking sector. Look at the comments from those that contributed towards the report.

It highlights that areas like Liverpool and Birkenhead are most vunerable to current government policy given the high public sector employment, high benefits levels and low private sector employment (which fell in Liverpool and Birkenhead during the boom years!!!)

The conclusion is that those vunerable areas should get more help in the future to try to cushion the problems - not by throwing money necessarily but possibly byallowing them more powers etc.

Wirlie G

January 25th, 2011, 10:13 AM

MEN Take on how Greater Manchester will be the worst hit area in the country...

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1406083_proof_that_welfare_cuts_will_hit_greater_manchester_hardest

legolamb

January 25th, 2011, 10:30 AM

Well these reports never have much positive to say about manufacturing or port related economic activity do they? I always find it interesting thar they would always rather waffle on at length about the latest deals done with high street banks for new call centres in town than the billions of pounds worth of manufacture at Trafford Park. The former is more glamorous, evidently, but even if the latter has shed jobs, I guarantee it is still more important to Manchester.

I'd be interested to know exactly how Centre for Cities measure the private sector workforce? And how much of a wealth indicator is it with such a big reliance on employment statistics?

Toadboy

January 25th, 2011, 10:59 AM

Centre for Cities always jumps out as a lobby group for pouring even more money in to London and developing satelitte towns with fast trains etc. to the capital.

I'm in contact/conflict with stats people in and around the public sector everyday, most of them can use figures for anything to say anything. They're great at ideology and theory, they're brilliant at formulas, projections and spreadsheet business plans. Most of them totlally ignore human factors and therefore fail.

That's why the likes of Centre for Cities are able to collate and reproduce all sorts of data, highlight history and even sometimes mark trends but ultimately they're reactive and boring.

larven

January 25th, 2011, 10:59 AM

Private sector workforce is a big indicator of wealth because it is the private sector which generates the wealth!

Wirlie G

January 25th, 2011, 11:13 AM

Indeed, but given the figures released 1hr ago and how far off the mark they were with regards the estimates that were coming out, you do wonder how acurate anyone's long term guesses are about anywheres ability to withstand an economy that may dip much deeper than previously thought.

Toadboy

January 25th, 2011, 11:16 AM

How is the UK generating wealth? The west in general, it's still a bubble; we're creating money out of paper - not generating wealth.

Toadboy

January 25th, 2011, 11:18 AM

Wirlie G

January 25th, 2011, 11:22 AM

How is the UK generating wealth? The west in general, it's still a bubble; we're creating money out of paper - not generating wealth.

Places like Germany create wealth and lots of it.

Alas, here in the UK we are in a big bursting bubble.

I've always had my worries about the Tories slash and burn policy, but thought it may be required to cut the deficit.

However, I am well and truely coming around to the view that growth should have been used to pay it down and not making us all poorer.

larven

January 25th, 2011, 11:25 AM

How is the UK generating wealth? The west in general, it's still a bubble; we're creating money out of paper - not generating wealth.

Well if you're talking about the banking and financial sector specifically then I would agree with you.

However manufacturing for example has been steadily increasing, thanks in no part to the weakening pound.

Toadboy

January 25th, 2011, 11:37 AM

I agree with Wirly and Larven last 2 posts.

The problem regarding manufacturing in the UK is cost in a global market that can smash us, unless the tories get their way with creating a low educated, low aspirational workforce shed of state support. It'll be like Dickens all over again.

Germany never smashed their wealth base, they've retained skills and have access to raw materials so their value added is huge. The UK still think value added is cheap - cut staff costs!

Suburban Knight

January 25th, 2011, 12:10 PM

Ah was gonna say, given that when you look at it Pompey and Liverpool really have an affinity.

They're both by the sea and have a more prosperous neighbour that looks down on them and makes disparaging comments? :lol:

ill tonkso

January 25th, 2011, 01:40 PM

They're both by the sea and have a more prosperous neighbour that looks down on them and makes disparaging comments? :lol:

Well, Manchester and Liverpool are completely different kettles of fish, so not really comparible in prosperity terms. They serve different industries and markets.

Same as Portsmouth and Southampton, completely uncomparible as they serve different industries and markets. Portsmouths port serves the EU and Fruit market, and bigger than that, the Naval. Southampton is a container port and cruise port. Completely different.

Also, pedantic, Portsmouth isn't by the sea, it's in it (island city).

TheFly

January 25th, 2011, 01:43 PM

How is the UK generating wealth? The west in general, it's still a bubble; we're creating money out of paper - not generating wealth.

And that is that.

No other explanation needed.

At least the Yanks make weapons and grow food for the world.
They also have IT.

We have nothing, not a single stella performer in any of our industries. Let alone one still owned by British shareholders.

Really terrifying.

30 years of living on credit and suddenly we see the North Sea wealth was wasted.

Where did it all go!?

ill tonkso

January 25th, 2011, 01:45 PM

Well, we have our games industry. But I would prefer to see us exporting more major products again (Sheffield Steel etc)

TheFly

January 25th, 2011, 01:45 PM

larven

January 25th, 2011, 01:46 PM

Our creative industries are highly regarded abroad and can rightly claim to be world class.

TheFly

January 25th, 2011, 01:50 PM

Our creative industries are highly regarded abroad and can rightly claim to be world class.

Hmm, BBC?

But that is propped up by tax and is facing a 25% reduction in spend...

Software for games? Large but niche compared with software for business or Apple hardware/software or Google software services.

We need something and very, very quick.

We need an invention.

larven

January 25th, 2011, 02:01 PM

Well we successfully export architecture, advertising, music and a multitude of other creative or design based disciplines.

At the same time, the UK has become a magnet for international designers who have decided to base their businesses here. They see the UK as a creative centre because of its multinational creative community, its geographical position, its world-class art and design education system and its highly tuned creative infrastructure.

FirthParker

January 25th, 2011, 02:27 PM

Well, we have our games industry. But I would prefer to see us exporting more major products again (Sheffield Steel etc)

Sheffield still produces a allot of steel and steel related products. Some of the companies are also still world leaders. Just to name two, off the top of my head, there is Sheffield Forgemasters and Swann-Mortons.

Its just that the industry isn't as labour intensive as it was in the past.

Wirlie G

January 25th, 2011, 02:29 PM

We sell IT Services around the world.

Many companies love to do their IT governance in English and not their native tonge.

albionfagan

January 25th, 2011, 02:58 PM

The news today that our economy has shrunk which shows how bad these cuts are effecting us already, and will only get worse! People are blaming it on the bad weather disruption but Germany and the Dutch had bad snow too and their economies have grown.

We're really up shit creek and a lot of our cities are going to take hammerings.

Wirlie G

January 25th, 2011, 03:19 PM

The cuts have not even kicked in yet, it's only the worry of the cuts that has caused this!

Wirlie G

January 25th, 2011, 04:40 PM

They are quite right.

larven

January 25th, 2011, 04:47 PM

No panic, we are forecast to be the biggest economy in Western Europe by 2050.

This is from the German thread bashing the UK by the way...

http://i52.tinypic.com/15g4ayx.png

yoshef

January 25th, 2011, 05:00 PM

Today's economic figures should highlight, first and foremost, the folly of people predicting the state of the British economy 1, 2, 5 or 10 years into the future.

TheFly

January 25th, 2011, 05:04 PM

No panic, we are forecast to be the biggest economy in Western Europe by 2050.

This is from the German thread bashing the UK by the way...

http://i52.tinypic.com/15g4ayx.png

Take that with a pile of salt!

China will not grow anywhere near that large...look at the jump from 2040-2050...laughable..they have built entire cities of concrete which are empty..they are the biggest asset bubble in history.

Japan has peaked, their population will collapse to 70m, yet this table assumes growth in GDp, growth that has been stagnant for 15 years.

Germany will be fine.

Not sure of the others.

All the above gleaned from various readings...

Wirlie G

January 25th, 2011, 05:05 PM

I bet the 2010 figures for the UK is already well off beem.

Given the massive export economy Germany has and the shrinking credit boom bubble we have I think I know which is most likely to be a success in the future.

TheFly

January 25th, 2011, 05:06 PM

Of note...is states our entire economy will grow by only £300bn a year in 10 years!!

As an example...Apple has grown it's `economy' by £15bn this year alone!

That forecast is therefore pretty scary!!

TheFly

January 25th, 2011, 05:08 PM

Today's economic figures should highlight, first and foremost, the folly of people predicting the state of the British economy 1, 2, 5 or 10 years into the future.

Yoshef, we will be fine, with the impending rise in temperature forecast over the next decade, it should add 1% to our economic growth!

Oh, hang on...cooling loosing us money, warming loosing us money...what are they saying!

Confused again!

Maybe sea-walls for the Mersey will add £100bn a year?

larven

January 25th, 2011, 05:13 PM

Given the massive export economy Germany has and the shrinking credit boom bubble we have I think I know which is most likely to be a success in the future.

Britain is also forecast to overtake Germany as the most populous Western European country so its perfectly feasible that our economy will follow suit.

Yorkshire alone is expected to be home to another 1 million people by 2026. Leeds is forecast to be the fastest-growing city in the north of England over the next 25 years with its population expected to break through the one-million barrier by 2033, a rise of nearly a third from its size today.

From the Yorkshire Post
Yorkshire faces huge challenge of soaring population (http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/Yorkshire-faces-huge-challenge-of.6572893.jp)

TheFly

January 25th, 2011, 05:19 PM

Britain is also forecast to overtake Germany as the most populous Western European country so its perfectly feasible that our economy will follow suit.

Yorkshire alone is expected to be home to another 1 million people by 2026. Leeds is forecast to be the fastest-growing city in the north of England over the next 25 years with its population expected to break through the one-million barrier by 2033, a rise of nearly a third from its size today.

From the Yorkshire Post
Yorkshire faces huge challenge of soaring population (http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/Yorkshire-faces-huge-challenge-of.6572893.jp)

Shame they will all be huge battery homes being fed fishfingers and beans until they switch the life-support off!

20million OAP's......my money is on Cornwall and Bournemouth then!

EUsucks

January 25th, 2011, 05:20 PM

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/27/population.eu

yoshef

January 25th, 2011, 05:25 PM

Yoshef, we will be fine, with the impending rise in temperature forecast over the next decade, it should add 1% to our economic growth!

Oh, hang on...cooling loosing us money, warming loosing us money...what are they saying!

Confused again!

Maybe sea-walls for the Mersey will add £100bn a year?

The Mersey already has sea walls.

jrb

January 25th, 2011, 05:27 PM

Today's economic figures should highlight, first and foremost, the folly of people predicting the state of the British economy 1, 2, 5 or 10 years into the future.

Thankfully I predicted 3, 5, 7 and '10' years into the future, in an earlier thread. Also, I never made a spefific predition. How can anyone the way things are going?

Toadboy

January 25th, 2011, 05:33 PM

Let's hope IT, games, architecture and pop music generate enough wealth to pay for a massive service economy and welfare bill.

What's the answer here; 70 million people, tiny island, coal, ....?

jrb

January 25th, 2011, 05:34 PM

PS.

I've got sciatica. It wasn't caused by spending 24/7 on my keyboard and on this thread. :cry:

Toadboy

January 25th, 2011, 05:40 PM

Move to Germany Jerb, it's the future.

Wirlie G

January 25th, 2011, 05:43 PM

Quality of life in German shits all over England.

My early education was in the German schooling system.

Could do my times tables in German before in English :D

jrb

January 25th, 2011, 05:48 PM

Move to Germany Jerb, it's the future.

Vorsprung durch technik Toady. I wonder if Audi could make me a new right leg? The one I've currently got is like a Rover. F***ed.

jrb

January 25th, 2011, 06:00 PM

Not Leeds bashing. HONEST!

Just thought people might be interested in this comparison from another report. Reports. Shit-em!

Volume and Value Analysis (Q1 2000 to Q2 2010)
The volume of M&A and corporate finance deals
refers to the absolute number of deals recorded for
a given period of time, whilst the value of these deals
is the cumulative total value of those deals over the
same period.

Taking the number and value of deals on a quarterly
basis from Q1 2000 to Q2 2010, Figure 1.1 provides
an overview of the volume and value of M&A activity
in the selected UK provincial city regions.

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/3590/screen20110125164102.jpg

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5562/screen20110125164130.jpg

So in a jrb nutshell. Manchester does more deals, but Leeds does higher value deals.(below) A prime example being the HBOS formation(above) Which is illustrated by the huge peak in Q4, 2001. (the one that goes off the graph)

Leeds City Region had the £28bn formation of HBOS Plc in Q4
2001 (through the merger of Halifax Plc and Bank of
Scotland Plc

Also. Look at Bristol. (Values/Deals)

http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/2930/screen20110125165518.jpg

The link to that report and to other reports is here, if any Manchester forum members are interested? Tons to chew over. http://neweconomymanchester.com/stories/843-new_economy_working_papers

Toadboy

January 25th, 2011, 06:00 PM

It's age that Jerb, even Audi's don't last forever.

yoshef

January 25th, 2011, 06:00 PM

Quality of life in German shits all over England.

My early education was in the German schooling system.

Could do my times tables in German before in English :D

I knew about ten different methods to set fire to someones bin by the age of 7. Real ninja stuff. Bet you they don't teach that in Germany.

10123

January 25th, 2011, 06:04 PM

Uk does well overall, it's our European friends who seem to mock everything about England.

Then again, the world revolves around America and the UK.... the Germans are jealous on that thread... after-all didn't they want German to be the main language in Europe? (something like that). Doesn't London outperform all the cities in Germany?

Toadboy

January 25th, 2011, 06:04 PM

They don't have bins in Deutschland Yo, they recycle so your pyrology would have been wasted on them.

jrb

January 25th, 2011, 06:04 PM

It's age that Jerb, even Audi's don't last forever.

I. But I'm only at '43',000 miles, with a full service history. Should have been a Honda instead. Those feckers last a lifetime and never breakdown.

Suburban Knight

January 25th, 2011, 06:06 PM

The cuts have not even kicked in yet, it's only the worry of the cuts that has caused this!

Unless you're in the significant section of the economy that is dependent upon the public sector for businesses.

Toadboy

January 25th, 2011, 06:07 PM

Wirlie G

January 25th, 2011, 06:08 PM

I knew about ten different methods to set fire to someones bin by the age of 7. Real ninja stuff. Bet you they don't teach that in Germany.

Maybe that is the difference between the education system in Wilhelmshaven and Liverpool.

:runaway:

Wirlie G

January 25th, 2011, 06:10 PM

10123 - spoken like a true Yorkshireman who has probably never even spent time in Germany.

10123

January 25th, 2011, 06:15 PM

10123 - spoken like a true Yorkshireman who has probably never even spent time in Germany.

Naah, I'm just using this list

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_city

London/New York Alpha ++ cities

yoshef

January 25th, 2011, 06:15 PM

They don't have bins in Deutschland Yo, they recycle so your pyrology would have been wasted on them.

Grown out of it now. Pity though, in those days Germans were bad, Charlie said dont talk to strangers, we had Green Cross Code man, holes in all our clothes, white dog poo, conquers, catapults etc...

Kids today are spoilt rotten, Playstations, Internets, Xboxs, Sponge Bobs, Toys-R-Us, and three bins per house.

Wirlie G

January 25th, 2011, 06:16 PM

10123

January 25th, 2011, 06:19 PM

Okay maybe I was too bullish, but it can be argued that awareness of Britain is far higher than that of Germany. I'm not talking about history, for example awareness of the UK is far higher in the US than awareness of Germany in the US.

Toadboy

January 25th, 2011, 06:23 PM

And in Russia? It's all relative.

yoshef

January 25th, 2011, 06:23 PM

Maybe that is the difference between the education system in Wilhelmshaven and Liverpool.

:runaway:

Bunch of stiffs. Do they have alley gates in Sale?

10123

January 25th, 2011, 06:23 PM

I do get the impression, and not just from on here, but by a LONG way but the population to the east of the Penines is MUCH more patriotic than that to the west.

No idea why, but I suspect it is generally the case.

Have you seen Look North Leeds, if they can link anything to Yorkshire they will.

Although I'm sure this is true for Look East which is seen in Manchester. ;)

jrb

January 25th, 2011, 06:25 PM

Grown out of it now. Pity though, in those days Germans were bad, Charlie said dont talk to strangers, we had Green Cross Code man, holes in all our clothes, white dog poo, conquers, catapults etc...

Kids today are spoilt rotten, Playstations, Internets, Xboxs, Sponge Bobs, Toys-R-Us, and three bins per house.

Just go to a cricket match at Headingley. You'll find the answer.

albionfagan

January 25th, 2011, 06:26 PM

Typical Leeds, ignorant, xenophonic and stupid.

What a hellhole of a place. These people must be destroyed and removed from any progressive society.

10123

January 25th, 2011, 06:29 PM

Not Leeds bashing. HONEST!

Just thought people might be interested in this comparison from another report. Reports. Shit-em!

http://img835.imageshack.us/img835/3590/screen20110125164102.jpg

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/5562/screen20110125164130.jpg

So in a jrb nutshell. Manchester does more deals, but Leeds does higher value deals.(below) A prime example being the HBOS formation(above) Which is illustrated by the huge peak in Q4, 2001. (the one that goes off the graph)

Also. Look at Bristol. (Values/Deals)

http://img573.imageshack.us/img573/2930/screen20110125165518.jpg

The link to that report and to other reports is here, if any Manchester forum members are interested? Tons to chew over. http://neweconomymanchester.com/stories/843-new_economy_working_papers

I wouldn't be surprised if the HBOS deal sets the record for the next 20 years, in other words even if Leeds sees a drop in business deals the HBOS deal will make up for it.

Out of curiosity, what is the most expensive deal done in Manc since 2000?

Wirlie G

January 25th, 2011, 06:36 PM

Are you claiming Halifax to be in Leeds?

Also, have you not noticed that Halifax is now owned by Lloyds Banking Group? Head quarters in Gresham Street, London?

Also, have you not noticed that ALL the HBOS offices in Leeds are slowly closing?

Times are a changing with HBOS, now it is owned in London the game has changed.

jrb

January 25th, 2011, 06:37 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if the HBOS deal sets the record for the next 20 years, in other words even if Leeds sees a drop in business deals the HBOS deal will make up for it.

Out of curiosity, what is the most expensive deal done in Manc since 2000?

It will probably be the sale of the Trafford Centre for £1.6bill. I could be wrong though.

Wirlie G

January 25th, 2011, 06:38 PM

The most expensive deal in Manc, since 2000 will have been after that report finishes (I think).

Co-Op buying Britannia bank was very large, and owned by an actual Manc company, as opposed to a town miles away).

Wirlie G

January 25th, 2011, 06:40 PM

It will probably be the sale of the Trafford Centre for £1.6bill. I could be wrong though.

Ner.

Sommerfield being bought by Co-Op wholesale will be bigger.

Britannia being bought buy Co-Op Bank bigger still.

Funny how the companies in Manchester are taking over companies from outside the region, whilst 10123 is bragging about a company that nearly brought down the UK economy and received the second largest banking bailout in the UK - talk about the tax payer subsidising a regions economy on a MASSIVE scale!

10123

January 25th, 2011, 06:45 PM

Funny how the companies in Manchester are taking over companies from outside the region, whilst 10123 is bragging about a company that nearly brought down the UK economy and received the second largest banking bailout in the UK - talk about the tax payer subsidising a regions economy on a MASSIVE scale!

I wasn't bragging. I know it's hard not to when Leeds comes out on top on most reports.

Pointless posting a big deal that happened in 2001 if it can't be put in context with other deals, after-all we are comparing Leeds with Manchester.

jrb

January 25th, 2011, 06:46 PM

Ner.

Sommerfield being bought by Co-Op wholesale will be bigger.

Britannia being bought buy Co-Op Bank bigger still.

Funny how the companies in Manchester are taking over companies from outside the region, whilst 10123 is bragging about a company that nearly brought down the UK economy and received the second largest banking bailout in the UK - talk about the tax payer subsidising a regions economy on a MASSIVE scale!

No.

Co-op bought Somerfield for £1.57bn

The The Britannia and Co-operative was a merger.

Trafford Centre is still currently top. When and if it happens.

Wirlie G

January 25th, 2011, 06:47 PM

Wait until the £2bn take over of Utd by the Qatari lot then ;)

jrb

January 25th, 2011, 06:49 PM

It would probably be the airport at £3bill or the COOP at? But thankfully, neither will never happen, as they are very well run businesses. :)

10123

January 25th, 2011, 06:49 PM

It will probably be the sale of the Trafford Centre for £1.6bill. I could be wrong though.

Ha!

A measly 1.6 Billion, maybe when you time that by 18 you might reach Leeds level.

See Wirlie thats bragging :nuts:

10123

January 25th, 2011, 06:51 PM

Wait until the £2bn take over of Utd by the Qatari lot then ;)

Yep, only 26 billion to go...

;)

Wirlie G

January 25th, 2011, 06:52 PM

The government taking 47% of LBG will be by FAR the biggest deal that affected a Yorkshire company this year.

Company is (was) worth about £30bn - £40bn (or the shares were).

47% of that is VERY high.

Wirlie G

January 25th, 2011, 06:54 PM

Ha!

A measly 1.6 Billion, maybe when you time that by 18 you might reach Leeds level.

See Wirlie thats bragging :nuts:

Why are you bragging about a deal that nearly brought the nations economy down?

Has the last 3 years not taught you anything?

It was deals like that which caused the problems.

You're like a skint family bragging that they managed to spend £10,000 at Currys - all on the new credit card, then not being able to ever pay it off again and losing your house because of it.

Amazing. Do you actually think what you are posting?

Wirlie G

January 25th, 2011, 06:56 PM

10123 - tell me, if the WY economy was totally based on deals like the HBOS deal, how long would it last for?

Why are you proud of a deal that was never afforded and has resulted in LOTS of local jobs losses in Leeds and the rest of Yorkshire?

You really are strange.

kids

January 25th, 2011, 06:58 PM

Jesus. Why do you guys bother? I just don't get it, none of you are ever going to change what you THINK. And anyway why do you care about any of it? Do you actually define your life by the figures that spew out here, are your lives that empty? FFS wake up, go listen to some sweet tunes/have a wank/whatever.

jrb

January 25th, 2011, 06:59 PM

Ha!

A measly 1.6 Billion, maybe when you time that by 18 you might reach Leeds level.

See Wirlie thats bragging :nuts:

Don't start again 118 118. I have showed you that there have been more private deals done in Manchester. Leeds has done less private deals, but they have greater value, mostly due to it's financial sector(Financial sector reliant. Very scary ATM), which has shrunk over the last 3 years. I wouldn't laugh too loud if I was you just yet.

Also, why...... can't be arsed.

Saying that, I'm still waiting on those recently created job figures for Leeds. I asked you '2 days ago' and you still haven't replied. Those figures must be out there somewhere in cyber space. You're good at finding figures aren't you? One just has to think back to your 'City Region' boast, taken from Wikipedia. And then silence......tumbleweed........rolls past 10123's computer desk and mind.

I've played my ace. 3000 Media jobs already started and about to begin in ernest in May of this year.

Leeds................?

jrb

January 25th, 2011, 07:00 PM

EuxTex

January 25th, 2011, 07:44 PM

I am coming around to the view that growth should have been used to pay it down and not making us all poorer.Spend your way out of recession and into growth? That is called the Keynesian Economic Theory after John Maynard Keynes.

By the way, has anyone on here ever read anything by Vladimir Ilyich Lenin? He predicted all this shit you know.:)

10123

January 25th, 2011, 08:09 PM

Don't start again 118 118. I have showed you that there have been more private deals done in Manchester. Leeds has done less private deals, but they have greater value, mostly due to it's financial sector(Financial sector reliant. Very scary ATM), which has shrunk over the last 3 years. I wouldn't laugh too loud if I was you just yet.

Also, why...... can't be arsed.

Saying that, I'm still waiting on those recently created job figures for Leeds. I asked you '2 days ago' and you still haven't replied. Those figures must be out there somewhere in cyber space. You're good at finding figures aren't you? One just has to think back to your 'City Region' boast, taken from Wikipedia. And then silence......tumbleweed........rolls past 10123's computer desk and mind.

I've played my ace. 3000 Media jobs already started and about to begin in ernest in May of this year.

Leeds................?

Trinity Leeds- 1000 Construction jobs, once completed 3000 'long term jobs in the retail sector.

Debenhams- "Retail giants Debenhams has unveiled plans for a massive new regional distribution centre which will create 800 new jobs for Leeds."

Leeds Arena- 100 New construction jobs, 1/5 going to Little London (poor area). New jobs created when Arena is completed although council has made public that there will be many jobs but have not gone into detail

Jamie Olivers £1M restaurant- 100 New jobs (Waiting, chefs etc). The first Jamie Olive restaurant outside the south of England.

And this is not including the numerous supermarkets planned for Leeds and completed (Two new Waitroses completed in late 2010, new Morrison's opening with 80% of jobs going to the poor and homeless, new Tesco etc etc) . Also retail shops in the city center (The core shopping center etc). Also developments such as the, Leeds Ballet house completed in late 2010 etc.

Anyway, the total: At lest 5000 new jobs. 1100 of those jobs are in construction which will last for at least two years, and with obvious further developments in the coming years the future looks bright for those living in Leeds and the surrounding area. And to top it of, 4,200 of these jobs are available in the city center, with easy access via bus, car and rail there are jobs for everyone. Unlike developments such as Media city in Salfords that isn't easily accessible for everyone and concentrates on a certain niche with only some jobs going for less qualified people.

:)

jrb

January 25th, 2011, 08:25 PM

Trinity Leeds- 1000 Construction jobs, once completed 3000 'long term jobs in the retail sector.

Debenhams- "Retail giants Debenhams has unveiled plans for a massive new regional distribution centre which will create 800 new jobs for Leeds."

Leeds Arena- 100 New construction jobs, 1/5 going to Little London (poor area). New jobs created when Arena is completed although council has made public that there will be many jobs but have not gone into detail

Jamie Olivers £1M restaurant- 100 New jobs (Waiting, chefs etc). The first Jamie Olive restaurant outside the south of England.

And this is not including the numerous supermarkets planned for Leeds, and retail shops in the city center that have newly opened in the new Shopping center 'The core'. Also developments such as the, Leeds Ballet house etc.

Anyway, the total: At lest 5000 new jobs. 1100 of those jobs are in construction which will last for at least two years, and with obvious further developments in the coming years the future looks bright for those living in Leeds and the surrounding area. And to top it of, 4,200 of these jobs are available int the city center, with easy access via bus, car and rail there are jobs for everyone.

:)

Currently. :nuts: :lol:

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/9639/screen20110125191445.jpg

Coming in 2013. 2/3 years away.

I give up. Good try. At least you made the effort.

Oh, and just by comaprison. How many jobs have been created by Metrolink's on going extension? Not just builders and contractors, but work for local companies and their employees.

BTW. 800's a good figure at Debenhams. I'll give you that. As for your other figures. Self made? Hmmm.

10123

January 25th, 2011, 08:33 PM

Currently. :nuts: :lol:

http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/9639/screen20110125191445.jpg

Coming in 2013. 2/3 years away.

I give up. Good try. At least you made the effort.

Oh, and just by comaprison. How many jobs have been created by Metrolink's on going extension? Not just builders and contractors, but work for local companies and their employees.

BTW. 800's a good figure at Debenhams. I'll give you that. As for your other figures. Self made? Hmmm.

Self Made? Ha!

Leeds arena: http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/jobstodaylocalnews/Leeds-Arena-jobs-pledge.6570121.jp

Jamie Oliver: http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/jobstodaylocalnews/Jamie-Oliver-Chef-to-open.6238505.jp

I could have included the new Waitrose (250 Jobs): http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/jobstodaylocalnews/Rush-for-jobs-at-Leeds.6536805.jp

Trinity Leeds: http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/Trinity-Leeds-Go-ahead-for.6431734.jp

10123

January 25th, 2011, 08:43 PM

Fine if for you the list isn't valid I will knock of 3000 jobs, and add the 250 Waitrose Jobs.

SO the immediate available jobs stand at: 2250

Which in Two Years time will be bumped up by 3000.

Plus the brand new shopping arcade (below) opening in Spring 2011 opposite Trinity, jobs figures are unknown but will be in the hundreds to say the least.

New total jobs number revised to 5,500?
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/7176/arcadex.png

10123

January 25th, 2011, 08:45 PM

DrDre

January 25th, 2011, 08:47 PM

Tags are so hilarious :lol:

10123

January 25th, 2011, 08:48 PM

Coming in 2013. 2/3 years away.

Spring 2013, so two years and 1-3 months. SO no not 2/3 years away.

jrb

January 25th, 2011, 08:49 PM

Self Made? Ha!

Leeds arena: http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/jobstodaylocalnews/Leeds-Arena-jobs-pledge.6570121.jp

Jamie Oliver: http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/jobstodaylocalnews/Jamie-Oliver-Chef-to-open.6238505.jp

I could have included the new Waitrose (250 Jobs): http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/jobstodaylocalnews/Rush-for-jobs-at-Leeds.6536805.jp

Trinity Leeds: http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/Trinity-Leeds-Go-ahead-for.6431734.jp

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I said 'recently created job figures for Leeds', not ones 2/3 years away, etc. :doh:

You beat me to it. 'Yorkshire Post Whore'. I checked. As I knew. Let's hope it's more accurate than your Wikipedia figures and facts.(city regions)

Perhaps Kids was right. Kids I apologise.

The term flogging a dead horse comes to mind. But even that doesn't do you justice.

Just be happy in the knowlegde that you're alive. That will get you through the rest of your life.

Life? I used to have one.

Wirlie G

January 25th, 2011, 08:52 PM

What are you lot talking about?

I bet over 1,000 people lose their job and start a new job each and every day in Manchester.

It is TINY fluctuations in the job creation and loss that will make a difference long term.

The vast majority of the population don't work in these vanity projects (and are we really getting excited about retail and waiters jobs???), they work in small companies, on business parks that never get discussed on here.

VoldemortBlack

January 25th, 2011, 08:52 PM

jrb

January 25th, 2011, 09:02 PM

I get the impression that you were rather shocked by my comeback, you expected next to nothing jobs in Leeds while boasting about the Media city Jobs. To the extent that you are calling me a liar (who would make up jobs figures??).

See how the tables have turned...

No, I'm shocked that I'm still wasting my time on you. My fault. I know.

I've already booked to see the psychiatrist tomorrow. :crazy2:

jrb

January 25th, 2011, 09:10 PM

Spring 2013, so two years and 1-3 months. SO no not 2/3 years away.

No, not 2 years away.(2/3 years) F***ing hell, I need help to stop myself from replying to 10123's inane ramblings/posts.

No, not 2 years away. 2 years and 1-3 months away. Which would be 2/3 years away. No, not 2 years away................6am in the morning. No, not 2 years away. Eventually falls to sleep with baggy sunken eyes. Tomorrow is another day. Or is it 2/3 days away?

TheFly

January 25th, 2011, 09:26 PM

Actual confirmed BBC jobs, contract signed.

Hypothetical jobs hoped for!

Deary me.

Father Ted `near and far away'?

10123

January 25th, 2011, 09:32 PM

You're raving about a shopping development similar to a scheme which opened in Bury (North Manchester) last year. Yeah, it's great, and it's done a world of good for Bury. But bear in mind that Bury is about 1/10th the size of Leeds ...

Retail is great, but too many cooks etc. Manchester, Birmingham & London, however, are looking forward with developments which will change the economy forever; bring new connections to the city. New ideas, media, technology, modern arts etc.

Oh and, on TOP of all that, Manchester had a Jamie Oliver restaurant proposed about 4 months ago; in the (now full) high-end Avenue area of Spinningfields. Flannels, Oliver Sweeny, Brooks Brothers. That sort of thing. Not New Look, which seems to be what Loiners are raving about at the moment :lol:

Hardly the same as the Bury version, Trinity is far more high end, granted the caliber of the shops varies greatly from east Trinity and West.

For example in East (?) there is brands such as Primark, New Look, Cult

While west has, Apple (yes I know finally), Every Man cinema (first outside SE), Two D&D restaurants ("D&D London restaurants in London * New York * Copenhagen * Tokyo * Paris") and now Leeds

10123

January 25th, 2011, 09:43 PM

The vast majority of the population don't work in these vanity projects (and are we really getting excited about retail and waiters jobs???), they work in small companies, on business parks that never get discussed on here.

It's a huge market, retail is one of the key factors that drives the UK economy.

They are hardly vanity projects either, they provide jobs not only for those qualified, but also those that don't have the right qualifications. Projects such as media city don't exactly help those with little qualifications, you can't work your way up as you can do in retail. Or if you can work your way up you will of had to be specifically trained in that field, and gone to university at the very least.

I see the jobs listed earlier a great benefit to the city of Leeds, if you don't think so then I'm glad these projects aren't going ahead in Manchester.

Wirlie G

January 25th, 2011, 09:50 PM

10123

January 25th, 2011, 10:04 PM

Yes, but studies show that building a retail development simply moves jobs from one place to another.

We only have so much money and only spend so much money in shops.

If 1,000 retail jobs are created in Trinity, 1,000 will be lost elsewhere.

It does not create extra money in the Leeds economy (in fact it may take money out), money is simpley spent elsewhere as we only have a finite to spend.

But in Leeds case it does, the last major (if you can call it that) shopping development that happened in Leeds was 2001, 35,00 SQ foot of retail and leisure with a large proportion of that space going to a cinema and the largest buffet restaurant in the UK.
http://www.midev.co.uk/IMAGES1/thelight/big1.jpg

Other than that we have seen next to nothing, which explains why other cities such as Birmingham and Manchester are ahead of Leeds in retail, we have been slipping in the ranks because of a lack of new developments.

Manchester and Brum has seen major developments in the least ten years in retail, all that has changed in Leeds is the variety of the shops, as does happen with all cities. It's Leeds turn now, and will impact as we will be ahead of Manchester in retail ranking upon completion.

Wirlie G

January 25th, 2011, 10:08 PM

jrb

January 25th, 2011, 10:11 PM

It's a huge market, retail is one of the key parts that drives the UK economy.

They are hardly vanity projects either, they provide jobs not only for those qualified, but also those that don't have the right qualifications. Projects such as media city don't exactly help those with little qualifications, you can't work your way up in as you can do in retail. Or if you can work your way up you will of had to be specifically trained in that field, and gone to university at the very least.

Somebody turn the fading light out, once and for all.

What. From store assistant to store manager. After that, you either stay at the job you are doing or leave. Great career choice. (I should know)

As for Mediacity. There will be hundreds of jobs for people without formal qualifications and relevant experience in Media.

Look. One example. Retail. 180 jobs if my memory serves me well. :shocked:

It may not look like much right now, but this empty shell (view download) of a building will soon be an almost religious site to the thousands of future workers at Salford Quay based MediaCity:UK complex.

Sustainability will be beginning Landlord Shell and Core Works, which includes Fit-Out, Mechanical and Electrical services work, in the new 23,000sq ft Booths Store at this multi-billion pound Manchester Business and Media complex at the beginning of the New Year.

Lancashire based, family-run supermarket Booths will be the only large food and drink retailer within the initial phase, and for Sustainability to be awarded this tender is a mark of achievement for the company and its directors, who have been trading for just over three years.

Sustainability was awarded the tender at the eve of Christmas, which will make this an excellent note to end the year. This is exciting times for both Booths and Sustainability, as both companies look to expand and grow in 2011.

http://img696.imageshack.us/img696/525/boothsmediacity.jpgI haven't even touched on the hundreds of non BBC jobs that will be created at Mediacity. Such as ancillary, etc.

Seriously 10123. I've got nothing against you, but do you act stupid on purpose?

10123

January 25th, 2011, 10:11 PM

So?

If your average Lioner spends £500 more a year at Trinty they'll only spend £500 less somewhere else.

All the companies are owned by outside companies so the money leaves the local economy and does not add anything to it.

The total retail spend in Leeds is most unlikely to increase following this.

If thats the case then why is there demand for such developments?

1 Million Square foot under construction

1.5 Million Square foot improved Eastgate plan sent to Leeds council (end of 2010)

Wirlie G

January 25th, 2011, 10:14 PM

10123

January 25th, 2011, 10:15 PM

Somebody turn the fading light out, once and for all.

What. From store assistant to store manager. After that, you either stay at the job you are doing or leave. Great career choice. (I should know)

Well obviously you don't know, bog-standard supermarket perhaps this is true.

Shops such as Topshop have far more roles with plenty of opportunity for those who want to progress in fashion and also retail.

Wirlie G

January 25th, 2011, 10:18 PM

Well obviously you don't know, bog-standard supermarket perhaps this is true.

Shops such as Topshop have far more roles with plenty of opportunity for those who want to progress in fashion and also retail.

Rubbish.

I bet your average Topshop employee starts work at age 18 and leaves age 24 having earnt just above minimum wage for 6 years.

Retail is massively heavily dependent on LOTS of very low paid staff and very very few decent paid staff.

jrb

January 25th, 2011, 10:18 PM

10123

January 25th, 2011, 10:20 PM

Because the developers of those schemes take the business from elsewhere.

If company A is charging rent for site Z and company B develops site Y and half the companies move to site Y company B makes a profit. At the expense of company A.

Hence compnay B develop site Y.

All very simple.

In theory yes, in practice no.

It's no coincidence there will be Two Primarks, two Boots etc when Trinity is completed.

Most cities have more than one of the same shop and Trinity will have many new stores that Leeds never had;
* Everyman Cinema
* D&D Restaurants
* Apple
* Hollister
* Cult

Currently 47% Let, another 13% in talks with Land Securities. So if we see all new stores in the remaining percent then the above comment doesn't really hold true.

jrb

January 25th, 2011, 10:21 PM

Rubbish.

I bet your average Topshop employee starts work at age 18 and leaves age 24 having earnt just above minimum wage for 6 years.

Retail is massively heavily dependent on LOTS of very low paid staff and very very few decent paid staff.

Apart from where I work. I'm the highest paid trolley man in the world. Amongst other menial task, which I do.

10123

January 25th, 2011, 10:31 PM

Seeing as the Hare is running again, and I will definitely have better things to do tomorrow night, you might as well face the music. Remember, we all love a report and/or survey. :)

If Leeds is such a great city to do business in, why is it always ranked below Manchester and Birmingham in city business surveys? Strange that.

Seeing as you now live for the cities Survey, I'm sure you'll accept the findings of another report/survey. Year on year, Manchester has batterd Leeds in the European Cities Monitor report/survey. Starting from 1990.

European Cities Monitor. http://www.thinklondon.com/dynamic/downloads/external_publications/European_Cities_Monitor/secure_European_Cities_Monitor_2010.pdf

Leeds boast. (can it claim anything more than financial services outside London?) Shopping?

http://www.marketingleeds.com/downloads/leeds_business_factsheet.pdf

That's because nobody is taking up office space in Leeds. (only 300,000 sq ft let in 2010) Property developers are desperate to offload empty office space, which is costing them a fortune in empty rates tax.

Don't try and pull the 'wool' over our eyes 10123. No pun intended.

But who believes reports and surveys anyway? :wink2:

Lets talk facts from the PDF posted.

Best City to locate a business today
Manchester: 12 1990: 13 Overall gain: 1
Leeds: 23 1990: Not even listed Overall gain: 100
Winner: Leeds

Familiarity with cities as a business location
Manchester: 33% 2009: 34% Overall gain: 1%
Leeds: 19% 2009: 17% Overall gain: 2%
Winner: Leeds

Cities improving themselves
Manchester: 3%
Leeds: 1%
Winner: Manchester

Best cities in terms of easy access to markets
Manchester: 12% 2009: 12% Overall gain: 0%
Leeds: 16% 2009: 11% Overall gain: -5%
Winner: Manchester

Best cities in terms of qualified staff
Manchester: 10% 2009: 15% Overall gain: 5%
Leeds: 10% 2009: 15% Overall gain: 0%
Winner: Manchester

Best cities in terms of quality of telecommunications
Manchester: 9 2009: 15 Overall gain: 6
Leeds: 20 2009: 25 Overall gain: 5
Winner: Manchester

Best cities in terms of external transport links
Manchester: 8 2009: 9 Overall gain: 1
Leeds: 18 2009: 23 Overall gain: 5
Winner: Leeds

Best cities in terms of value for money of office space
Manchester: 9 2009: 17 Overall gain: 8
Leeds: 1 2009: 1 Overall gain: 0
Winner: Leeds

Best cities in terms of cost of staff
Manchester: 14 2009: 14 Overall gain: 0
Leeds: 10 2009: 6 Overall gain: 4
Winner: Leeds

Best cities in terms of availability of office space
Manchester: 2 2009: 7 Overall gain: 5
Leeds: 7 2009: 6 Overall gain: -1
Winner: Draw (Either a good or bad thing have a large amount of free office space)

Best cities in terms of the climate governments create
Manchester: 13 2009: 27 Overall gain: 14
Leeds: 21 2009: 15 Overall gain: -6
Winner: Manchester

Best cities in terms of languages spoken
Manchester: 19 2009: 20 Overall gain: 1
Leeds: 24 2009: 27 Overall gain: 3
Winner: Leeds

Best cities in terms of internal transport
Manchester: 10 2009: 13 Overall gain: 3
Leeds: 15 2009: 10 Overall gain: -5
Winner: Manchester, unsurprising really.

Best cities in terms of the quality of life for employees
Manchester: 23 2009: 22 Overall gain: -1
Leeds: 24 2009: 17 Overall gain: -7
Winner: Manchester. Very disappointing for both Leeds and Manchester, more-so for Leeds

Best cities in terms of freedom from pollution
Manchester: 24 2009: 25 Overall gain: 1
Leeds: 16 2009: 15 Overall gain: -1
Winner: Manchester

OVERALL
MANCHESTER: 9
LEEDS: 7
WINNER: MANCHESTER

It’s pretty clear Manchester has won, Manc is in most cases significantly further down most lists than Leeds. However 7 out of the 16 surveys Leeds came out on-top in terms of gains, which considering Manchester has had so much more government funding than Leeds is pretty good going. Not great, but not bad either.

jrb

January 25th, 2011, 10:42 PM

Lets talk facts from the PDF posted.

Best City to locate a business today
Manchester: 12 1990: 13 Overall gain: 1
Leeds: 23 1990: Not even listed Overall gain: 100
Winner: Leeds

Familiarity with cities as a business location
Manchester: 33% 2009: 34% Overall gain: 1%
Leeds: 19% 2009: 17% Overall gain: 2%
Winner: Leeds

Cities improving themselves
Manchester: 3%
Leeds: 1%
Winner: Manchester

Best cities in terms of easy access to markets
Manchester: 12% 2009: 12% Overall gain: 0%
Leeds: 16% 2009: 11% Overall gain: -5%
Winner: Manchester

Best cities in terms of qualified staff
Manchester: 10% 2009: 15% Overall gain: 5%
Leeds: 10% 2009: 15% Overall gain: 0%
Winner: Manchester

Best cities in terms of quality of telecommunications
Manchester: 9 2009: 15 Overall gain: 6
Leeds: 20 2009: 25 Overall gain: 5
Winner: Manchester

Best cities in terms of external transport links
Manchester: 8 2009: 9 Overall gain: 1
Leeds: 18 2009: 23 Overall gain: 5
Winner: Leeds

Best cities in terms of value for money of office space
Manchester: 9 2009: 17 Overall gain: 8
Leeds: 1 2009: 1 Overall gain: 0
Winner: Leeds

Best cities in terms of cost of staff
Manchester: 14 2009: 14 Overall gain: 0
Leeds: 10 2009: 6 Overall gain: 4
Winner: Leeds

Best cities in terms of availability of office space
Manchester: 2 2009: 7 Overall gain: 5
Leeds: 7 2009: 6 Overall gain: -1
Winner: Draw (Either a good or bad thing have a large amount of free office space)

Best cities in terms of the climate governments create
Manchester: 13 2009: 27 Overall gain: 14
Leeds: 21 2009: 15 Overall gain: -6
Winner: Manchester

Best cities in terms of languages spoken
Manchester: 19 2009: 20 Overall gain: 1
Leeds: 24 2009: 27 Overall gain: 3
Winner: Leeds

Best cities in terms of internal transport
Manchester: 10 2009: 13 Overall gain: 3
Leeds: 15 2009: 10 Overall gain: -5
Winner: Manchester, unsurprising really.

Best cities in terms of the quality of life for employees
Manchester: 23 2009: 22 Overall gain: -1
Leeds: 24 2009: 17 Overall gain: -7
Winner: Manchester. Very disappointing for both Leeds and Manchester, more-so for Leeds

Best cities in terms of freedom from pollution
Manchester: 24 2009: 25 Overall gain: 1
Leeds: 16 2009: 15 Overall gain: -1
Winner: Manchester

OVERALL
MANCHESTER: 9
LEEDS: 7
WINNER: MANCHESTER

It’s pretty clear Manchester has won, Manc is in most cases significantly further down most lists than Leeds. However 7 out of the 16 surveys Leeds came out on-top in terms of gains, which considering Manchester has had so much more government funding than Leeds is pretty good going. Not great, but not bad either.

Manchester finished higher. And has done year after year. That's the most important stat.

10123

January 25th, 2011, 10:51 PM

As long as Leeds, legal & financial is the 2nd largest in the UK i remain cautiously optimistic.

Wirlie G

January 25th, 2011, 10:59 PM

jrb

January 25th, 2011, 11:03 PM

As long as Leeds legal & financial is the 2nd largest in the UK i remain cautiously optimistic.

Ah! A half hearted conciliatory note. Hmmm.

As I expected. The debate has come full circle. Exactly how 10123 began this/his epic saga.

which considering Manchester has had so much more government funding than Leeds

:colgate:

10123

January 25th, 2011, 11:06 PM

Wirlie G

January 26th, 2011, 12:01 AM

jrb

January 26th, 2011, 12:29 AM

Yes, but do you want 10% of the population of Leeds earning 90% of the wages and 90% of the population earning the other 10% of the wages?

This kind of economic situation leads to HUGE disparity which leads to a VERY unhappy society.

Which was highlighted about Leeds in the Cities report. :runaway:

10123

January 26th, 2011, 12:38 AM

Yes, but do you want 10% of the population of Leeds earning 90% of the wages and 90% of the population earning the other 10% of the wages?

This kind of economic situation leads to HUGE disparity which leads to a VERY unhappy society.

There are other sectors.

Doctors and Surgeons will be paid a large amount of money, having two of the largest teaching hospitals in Europe mean we are also at the forefront of Health care.

10123

January 26th, 2011, 12:40 AM

Interesting.........

59,000 new jobs have been created in Leeds over
the last ten years. The city is expected to generate a
quarter of total employment growth for the Yorkshire
and Humberside region in the next decade.

10123

January 26th, 2011, 12:42 AM

Why does that ONE sector get you so interested?

Why not IT?

Why not business consultancy?

Why not logistic?

Why not health care?

....

there are dozens of sectors to excel in, Leeds is VERY specialised.

It's what Leeds specializes in.......

Leeds Business School, based at Leeds Metropolitan
University, is the largest of its kind in the UK and was
rated one of the world’s top 100 business schools in
The Economist ‘Which MBA?’ 2009.

I'm sure Manchester specializes in something...

Leeds is the UK’s largest centre for financial and
professional services outside London, according
to ONS Annual Business Inquiry 2009. More than
30 national and international banks are located
in the city and the sector contributes towards a
third of the city’s total economic output.

Wirlie G

January 26th, 2011, 12:48 AM

Manchester has a very level economy (the business and finance sector is actually twice the GVA of that in Leeds), with loads of varied sectors employing people.

Check out the ONS web site.

At present you are talking crap to put it bluntly.

jrb

January 26th, 2011, 12:49 AM

It's what Leeds specializes in.......

Leeds Business School, based at Leeds Metropolitan
University, is the largest of its kind in the UK and was
rated one of the world’s top 100 business schools in
The Economist ‘Which MBA?’ 2009.

I'm sure Manchester specializes in something...

Leeds is the UK’s largest centre for financial and
professional services outside London, according
to ONS Annual Business Inquiry 2009. More than
30 national and international banks are located
in the city and the sector contributes towards a
third of the city’s total economic output.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61W2Z9HPX6L.jpg

jrb

January 26th, 2011, 01:00 AM

Is it a good thing? Hmmm. Saying that, Manchester has got of very lightly regarding job losses in the banking and finance industry. The city as a whole, and especially the city centre, has escaped any major banking culls.

In particular, the Creative Digital and New Media and
Financial and Professional Services sectors made up
a larger proportion of MCR targets and all bidders in
2009 when compared to 2000. Sectors that are far
less prominent in deal activity in 2009 (compared to
2000) are Engineering, ICT Digital and Other
Manufacturing, in terms of both MCR targets and all
bidders.
These trends reflect the fact that MCR has seen a
rapid change in the structural composition of its
economy over recent times, moving quickly towards
a service based economy. Over the period as a whole
(2000 to 2009) the data illustrates how the majority
(32%) of MCR target firms have been from the Financial
and Professional Services sector – a much higher
proportion than in any other comparator city region –
illustrating the strength and growing importance of
this sector in the MCR. This supports the findings
from the MIER Understanding Labour Markets and
Skills report which found that there had been a 120%
increase in employment in Financial and Professional
Services sector since 1981 in MCR,

http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/1844/screen20110125235514.jpg

TheFly

January 26th, 2011, 09:52 AM

2010 1.3million sq ft office space let in Manchester

2010 Add to other regional UK cities together..and Manchester is ahead.

As it has been for a decade.

Yup, way, way, way ahead on office space let's every year you can survey.

Co-op 72m HQ going up now.....the speed is increasing folks.

Man City next up! Peep peep!

10123

January 26th, 2011, 11:29 AM

TheFly

January 26th, 2011, 11:44 AM

I'm assuming this is all in the city of Manchester, not Greater Manchester?

No, comparing West Yorkshire with GM.

Does it matter?

M60
Airport
Metrolink
Trafford Centre
BBC Media City
ITV Media City
Co-Op
Man City development

We care not a jot if Manchester City is a weird tiny slice of GM north to south....real jobs, real investment, mega £billions pouring in.

Spout your nonsense but our City is motoring like you cannot imagine....

Ryanair today....tail between their legs...coughing up landing fees and off again, expanding from Manchester....how did you fare with LBA and your landing fees!?

That is why we are good, we have balls, business brains and the demand is their.

Leeds is just a town compared with Manchester and the coming years are seeing an acceleration that is off the scale in terms of real jobs:

BBC
Metrolink
Airport
Man City project.

Massive, massive investment creating proper jobs and crucially attracting more associated positions.

Leeds has great shopping! Do me a favour!

Accura4Matalan

January 26th, 2011, 01:28 PM

Well obviously you don't know, bog-standard supermarket perhaps this is true.

Depends very much upon which supermarket you work for. Some offer opportunities for advancement, others don't.

10123

January 26th, 2011, 02:07 PM

No, comparing West Yorkshire with GM.

Does it matter?

Well yes it does, in the past you have boasted how much Manchester has done with a much lower population than Leeds. Yet none of this would have happened if it wasn't for Greater Manchester.

10123

January 26th, 2011, 02:21 PM

We care not a jot if Manchester City is a weird tiny slice of GM north to south....real jobs, real investment, mega £billions pouring in.

Leeds is just a town compared with Manchester and the coming years are seeing an acceleration that is off the scale in terms of real jobs:

Leeds has great shopping! Do me a favour!

I find it rather Ironic that the core of Manchester city region was indeed Manchester 20 years again, now the bulk of developments seem to be shying away from Manchester city itself.

Why not build Media City in Manchester? Why Salfords? I know for a fact there are plenty of huge empty plots surrounding Manchester city center, all waiting to be developed on.

Well yes Leeds is a town compared to Manchester City Region. But Leeds city region vs Greater Manchester poses no comparison. Look how well York and Leeds did in the center for cities report, far better than the over reliant public jobs capital Manchester did.

You carry on boating about your pretentious projects, after-all it's the overall result that counts. And the overall result isn't looking too rosy for Manchester...

Manc Guy

January 26th, 2011, 03:27 PM

far better than the over reliant public jobs capital Manchester did.

What??

Why not build Media City in Manchester? Why Salfords? I know for a fact there are plenty of huge empty plots surrounding Manchester city center, all waiting to be developed on.

There was a competition. City centre or Salford. Salford won. Either way, great for Greater Manchester. Waterfront setting? Also, Media City isnt finnished they needed enough land for future phases!

now the bulk of developments seem to be shying away from Manchester city itself.

So, Media City locates just down the road from Manchester city centre thus this means 'the bulk' of the developments in the area are shying away from it? Can you name a few of these developments please? Sorry, where are the Co-op building there new HQ?

Suburban Knight

January 26th, 2011, 03:30 PM

TheFly

January 26th, 2011, 03:37 PM

I find it rather Ironic that the core of Manchester city region was indeed Manchester 20 years again, now the bulk of developments seem to be shying away from Manchester city itself.

Why not build Media City in Manchester? Why Salfords? I know for a fact there are plenty of huge empty plots surrounding Manchester city center, all waiting to be developed on.

Well yes Leeds is a town compared to Manchester City Region. But Leeds city region vs Greater Manchester poses no comparison. Look how well York and Leeds did in the center for cities report, far better than the over reliant public jobs capital Manchester did.

You carry on boating about your pretentious projects, after-all it's the overall result that counts. And the overall result isn't looking too rosy for Manchester...

Crikey!

We are doomed.

Seriously...you post about a shopping centre, we post about...Airport, BBC, ITV, Co-Op, ADUG, Metrolink, new Motorway.....it's laughable!

ill tonkso

January 26th, 2011, 03:57 PM

Does the public sector really make a cities economy a bad thing? I mean come on, over 17,000 people work in Portsmouth Naval Base (that figure does not include all the other bases in and around Portsmouth...) and other big employers are companies like BAE systems which have a number of large facilities here and Accuracy International which is based here. These companies rely on government contracts from around the world to function (Accuracy International is the worlds largest Millitary Sniper Rifle manufactorer for example). Thats literally tens of thousands of jobs in Portsmouth which rely on the Navy, the State. Is that a bad thing? No, it makes for a stable economy. People always need warships and sniper rifles.

jrb

January 26th, 2011, 04:16 PM

http://images.wikia.com/batfink/images/6/6b/Batfink-poster_L.jpg

I bring you news 10123.

Today. (from the Ryan Air website)

Ryanair Announces 4 New Manchester Routes to Alicante, Faro, Madrid & Tenerife MAN – DUBLIN ROUTE RAISED FROM 4 TO 6 FLIGHTS DAILY 5 ROUTES, 600,000 PAX & 600 JOBS AT MANCHESTER Ryanair, the world’s favourite airline, today (26th Jan) announced four new low fare sun routes from Manchester to Alicante, Faro, Madrid and Tenerife and increased frequencies on its Dublin route (from four to six flights daily) as it unveiled its Manchester summer 2011 schedule. Ryanair’s five Manchester routes will offer the lowest fares to Ireland, Portugal and Spain and deliver passenger savings of over £6m this year compared to the higher fares of Easyjet, Jet2 and Monarch. Ryanair will grow to over 600,000 passengers in 2011 at Manchester Airport, sustaining 600 jobs.

Speaking in Manchester, Ryanair’s Michael O’Leary said: “Manchester today celebrates four new low fares Ryanair sun routes to Alicante, Faro, Madrid and Tenerife and increased frequencies on its Dublin route. We expect Ryanair’s five Manchester routes to deliver 600,000 passengers and sustain 600 jobs in Manchester while saving passengers over £6m in 2011 on the fares offered by Manchester’s high fares airlines.

“To celebrate our Manchester summer schedule Ryanair is releasing 1m £7 seats for travel across Europe in February. Since seats at these crazy low prices will be snapped up quickly, we urge passengers to book them immediately on [url]www.ryanair.com.”

BUDGET airline Ryanair is to announce a major expansion of its Manchester routes, 17 months after axing all but one service.
The Irish carrier's outspoken boss Michael O'Leary was hosting a press conference at Terminal 2 at Manchester, to reveal that Ryanair will be launching a number of new flights over the coming months, and increasing the number of daily flights to Dublin.
Among the destinations Ryanair will fly will be holiday destinations such as Alicante, Faro and Tenerife and also to the Spanish capital Madrid.
He will explain too his rapid change of heart, having previously fallen out with Manchester Airport bosses over landing fees.
Sources at Manchester Airport said the new agreement with Ryanair is on "commercial terms" - rather than the deal previously sought, whereby the airline would expand at Manchester and in return, not pay for landing slots.
After all but quitting Manchester Ryanair expanded aggressively at Liverpool John Lennon Airport.
The deal at Manchester could potententially bring 600,000 more passengers and £3m a year. A significant number of jobs will be created too.
The Dublin-based carrier operates more than 1,400 flights per day and expects to carry approximately 73.5 million passengers in the current financial year.

Wirlie G

January 26th, 2011, 04:20 PM

I have been wondering... why the Tesco avatar? Are you passionate about supermarkets?

Because Fly wants United to be ran like a Tesco style business.

Get as much money out of your 'customers' as is possible.

As opposed to my view whereby I want the club I support to be operated in a manner than puts fans interests first, ahead of making the owners as rich as possible at the clubs expense.

Wirlie G

January 26th, 2011, 04:22 PM

10123 - christ, you really think that people in Manchester care whether MediaCity falls in the borough of Manchester or Salford?

What difference does it make to anyone?

The 2,000 jobs (or whatever it is) will be taken by people from all over the region - that is what there is to celebrate. How on earth does it make the slightest bit of difference which borough they are in?

Strange world you live in there 10123.

Wirlie G

January 26th, 2011, 04:23 PM

Over the next two years MAN airport will probably grow in passenger numbers by the same number as Leeds entire yearly number :lol:

Wirlie G

January 26th, 2011, 04:28 PM

Sorry, where are the Co-op building there new HQ?

There is also a very large financial organisation about to move huge numbers of northern staff into a yet to be built very large office block right smack bang in the centre of Manchester, closing offices all around the north in the process.

jrb

January 26th, 2011, 04:33 PM

The good, the bad and the downright ugly.

Today. BusinessDesk.

Manchester has potential for 70,000 new jobs, says Bernstein

MANCHESTER City Council's chief executive Sir Howard Bernstein believes Greater Manchester has the potential to create 70,000 private sector jobs over the next five years.
But speaking at a breakfast event organised by the professional services body Pro Manchester Sir Howard said this figure could only be achieved if the city capitalises on its key assets.
He described these as its connections to global markets, its research institutions, and the ability to drive new sectors of the economy such as media and sport. (Mediacity, United, City, Sports City, etc)
He said: "We have the opportunity to make a step change in the way we diversify the economic base and move that forward. We must recognise we're operating in a different market."
He was speaking as authorities across the city are drawing up new budgets in response to swingeing cuts from central Government. Manchester City Council expects to cut 2,000 jobs while Bolton said 1,200 will go. In total the city is expected to lose 20,000 private and public sector jobs over the next 18 months.
Sir Howard stressed that the city council was still pushing "transformational projects", such as the conversion of the old Royal Eye Hospital into a centre for biomedical research, and has recently submitted a bid to the Government's new Regional Growth Fund.
He added: "My message is these are difficult times but we remain very clear about what are objectives are and how we can continue to work with business to make sure Manchester meets its full potential."

I feel safe in the knowledge that HB and the othr 9 leaders of Gtr Manchester will steer the city through these turbulent times.

I post good as well as bad news, 10123.(won't clutter this thread up again) You on the otherhand only post good news(?) from the Yorkshire Post and Wikipedia.

Wirlie G

January 26th, 2011, 04:37 PM

Trolly & 10123 won't be happy.

We've had Centre for Cities ussing PUAs to describe cities.

Now Bernstein is describing the city as being made up of 10 boroughs.

Oh dear oh dear.

Suburban Knight

January 26th, 2011, 04:46 PM

jrb

January 26th, 2011, 04:46 PM

I find it rather Ironic that the core of Manchester city region was indeed Manchester 20 years again, now the bulk of developments seem to be shying away from Manchester city itself.

Why not build Media City in Manchester? Why Salfords? I know for a fact there are plenty of huge empty plots surrounding Manchester city center, all waiting to be developed on.

Well yes Leeds is a town compared to Manchester City Region. But Leeds city region vs Greater Manchester poses no comparison. Look how well York and Leeds did in the center for cities report, far better than the over reliant public jobs capital Manchester did.

You carry on boating about your pretentious projects, after-all it's the overall result that counts. And the overall result isn't looking too rosy for Manchester...

Dear God. He's still churning out the LEEDS CITY REGION BULLSHIT. I've already showed you data and the latest Region's report, that shows Gtr Manchester smashing the Leeds City Region. Remember?

I then showed you that the new Manchester City Region will have Warrington, High Peak, Congelton and Maccelsfield added to Gtr Manchester. Basically the 'GOLDEN TRIANGLE'. Even you can work that one out.

If you keep on digging yourself any deeper, you'll end up in Chile. I can't see anyone rescuing you either.

Suburban Knight

January 26th, 2011, 04:47 PM

Because Fly wants United to be ran like a Tesco style business.

Get as much money out of your 'customers' as is possible.

As opposed to my view whereby I want the club I support to be operated in a manner than puts fans interests first, ahead of making the owners as rich as possible at the clubs expense.

Haha, not a United fan, but I'd agree with you there. Too much ruthless profiteering in football at the fans' expense.

TheFly

January 26th, 2011, 05:05 PM

Haha, not a United fan, but I'd agree with you there. Too much ruthless profiteering in football at the fans' expense.

I have been misquoted although not like Sloyne/Eurotex.

I have stated the Glazers are a nightmare for us fans.

They are however financially savvy and United are not in trouble.

yoshef

January 26th, 2011, 05:08 PM

Dear God. He's still churning out the LEEDS CITY REGION BULLSHIT. I've already showed you data and the latest Region's report, that shows Gtr Manchester smashing the Leeds City Region. Remember?

I then showed you that the new Manchester City Region will have Warrington, High Peak, Congelton and Maccelsfield added to Gtr Manchester. Basically the 'GOLDEN TRIANGLE'. Even you can work that one out.

If you keep on digging yourself any deeper, you'll end up in Chile. I can't see anyone rescuing you either.

Warrington? Golden land grab more like. Warrington is on the Liverpool side of the M6, has more in common with St Helens, Widnes and Runcorn, and is closer to Liverpool drivewise.

jrb

January 26th, 2011, 05:14 PM

Warrington? Golden land grab more like. Warrington is on the Liverpool side of the M6, has more in common with St Helens, Widnes and Runcorn, and is closer to Liverpool drivewise.

Oh, don't you start as well. :poke:

Warrington. It's city leaders wanted to go with Gtr Manchester. FACT, QUOTE, ETC. I wonder why? That's democracy for you.

Anyway, I don't know why you're complaining?(again) You''ll get North Wales.(and more scenery) Which you've always wanted in an enlarged Liverpool.

yoshef

January 26th, 2011, 05:28 PM

Oh, don't you start as well. :poke:

Warrington. It's city leaders wanted to go with Gtr Manchester. FACT, QUOTE, ETC. I wonder why? That's democracy for you.

Anyway, I don't know why you're complaining?(again) You''ll get North Wales.(and more scenery) Which you've always wanted in an enlarged Liverpool.

It's about democracy as much as the invasion of Iraq was about democracy; elected bodies taking advice from unelected bodies with specific agendas.

jrb

January 26th, 2011, 05:36 PM

It's about democracy as much as the invasion of Iraq was about democracy; elected bodies taking advice from unelected bodies with specific agendas.

Talking about agendas. :ohno:

The leaders of Warrington had to look after their city and citizens, They had to make a choice. They chose Gtr Manchester. What's your problem with that? (apart from the fact that Warrington won't be in the eventual Liverpool City Region)

FFS Yosh, don't end up like 10123. :pet:

PS. I'm expecting a surge form you know where, any minute.

TheFly

January 26th, 2011, 05:38 PM

Choice as long as you agree with me.

Warrington knows which end is the head and which end is the arse ;)

jrb

January 26th, 2011, 05:41 PM

Choice as long as you agree with me.

Warrington knows which end is the head and which end is the arse ;)

And it also knows which city and economy will make it more...........(fill in as appropriate)

jrb

January 26th, 2011, 05:44 PM

PS. Mancunian phrase books will be handed out free as part of the school curriculum in Warington. :)

tucbiscuit

January 26th, 2011, 05:47 PM

jrb

January 26th, 2011, 05:50 PM

according to google maps warrington to manchester is 5 mins quicker than the quickest route to liverpool, looks to be quicker on the train too according to the national rail website, I would associate warrington (especially the centre) more with liverpool, but maybe it's more up for grabs than that

Warrington has always been fought over. IKEA has seen many a bloodbath down the years. Thankfully, Gtr Manchester now has it's own IKEA.

Toadboy

January 26th, 2011, 05:51 PM

Warrington is and will continue to hedge.

If and when Liverpool advances it's city region stuff Warrington will associate with that too. And why wouldn't it.

Weird place Warrington, I hate it. Liverpool suburbs, bad wool town, Manchester overspill, out of town tin shack offices, logistics warehouses and HGVs, all in the same 'town' and yet no character or sole.

As Terry Christian once said "who'd want it?".

jrb

January 26th, 2011, 05:54 PM

10123. You were boasting about restaurants opening in Leeds last night. It's happening in every city, including Manchester. So it's not really a Leeds phenomenon. Originally posted by Flange.

From http://www.manchesterconfidential.co.uk/images/2011125story-browns036.jpg

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/5017/browns1.jpg http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/6725/browns2.jpg

http://img708.imageshack.us/img708/999/browns3.jpg http://img818.imageshack.us/img818/1279/browns4.jpg

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/7196/browns5.jpg http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/1702/browns6.jpg

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/439/browns7.jpg

I think Brown's will really make a difference to this area along with Jamie's Italian when that opens later this year at 100 King Street.

Suburban Knight

January 26th, 2011, 06:09 PM

10123. You were boasting about restaurants opening in Leeds last night. It's happening in every city, including Manchester. So it's not really a Leeds phenomenon. Originally posted by Flange.

Congratulations on finally getting a Brown's, even if it has been a while coming :) Lovely restaurants.

Sign up to the 'Friends of Browns' mailing list and get 2 courses for 2 and a bottle of wine for £29, or £35 at weekends :cheers:

Suburban Knight

January 26th, 2011, 06:10 PM

10123

January 26th, 2011, 06:13 PM

Does the public sector really make a cities economy a bad thing?

It does in these turbulent times..

-2000 Jobs to go at Manchester city council
-1000 Liverpool
-800 Salford
-600 Hull
-450 Leeds

Of course this is all relative, although I doubt 5X more staff are employed at Manchester city council than Leeds city council.

It doesn't stop there either.

-£110 Million cuts for Manchester
-£50 Million in cuts for Leeds

And it seems that poorer areas will be hit the hardest

While the average cut is about 26 per cent over four years, big northern cities that received top-up grants to tackle deprivation are hardest hit. Sir Richard Leese, leader of Labour-led Manchester council, said it had to slice its budget by 25 per cent over two years, saving £110m next year alone.

17 per cent of the workforce could lose their jobs, though he hopes to keep a pledge to avoid compulsory redundancy.

Mr Leese said: “The unfairness of the government’s financial grant settlement for Manchester, one of the five worst in the country, has been widely reported.

I would Imagine cities such as Liverpool will also be hit harder due to some very poor areas.

jrb

January 26th, 2011, 06:23 PM

Congratulations on finally getting a Brown's, even if it has been a while coming :) Lovely restaurants.

Sign up to the 'Friends of Browns' mailing list and get 2 courses for 2 and a bottle of wine for £29, or £35 at weekends :cheers:

looks great, doesn't it.

TBH I never go out eating, unless it's a special occasion. It's not my thing. However, I might give Browns a try one night. Lot's of people raving about Browns on the Manchester Confidential website, where this article came fROm.

Thanks for the tip off SK. :)

10123

January 26th, 2011, 06:27 PM

It does in these turbulent times..

-2000 Jobs to go at Manchester city council
-1000 Liverpool
-800 Salford
-600 Hull
-450 Leeds

Of course this is all relative, although I doubt 5X more staff are employed at Manchester city council than Leeds city council.

It doesn't stop there either.

-£110 Million cuts for Manchester
-£50 Million in cuts for Leeds

And it seems that poorer areas will be hit the hardest

While the average cut is about 26 per cent over four years, big northern cities that received top-up grants to tackle deprivation are hardest hit. Sir Richard Leese, leader of Labour-led Manchester council, said it had to slice its budget by 25 per cent over two years, saving £110m next year alone.

17 per cent of the workforce could lose their jobs, though he hopes to keep a pledge to avoid compulsory redundancy.

Mr Leese said: “The unfairness of the government’s financial grant settlement for Manchester, one of the five worst in the country, has been widely reported.

I would Imagine cities such as Liverpool will also be hit harder due to some very poor areas.

But of course, it seem irrelevant to the Manchester posters on here.

As I keep saying, you concentrate on the smaller details (Media city etc). I'll carry on concentrating on the bigger picture...........

jrb

January 26th, 2011, 06:37 PM

It does in these turbulent times..

-2000 Jobs to go at Manchester city council
-1000 Liverpool
-800 Salford
-600 Hull
-450 Leeds

Of course this is all relative, although I doubt 5X more staff are employed at Manchester city council than Leeds city council.

It doesn't stop there either.

-£110 Million cuts for Manchester
-£50 Million in cuts for Leeds

And it seems that poorer areas will be hit the hardest

While the average cut is about 26 per cent over four years, big northern cities that received top-up grants to tackle deprivation are hardest hit. Sir Richard Leese, leader of Labour-led Manchester council, said it had to slice its budget by 25 per cent over two years, saving £110m next year alone.

17 per cent of the workforce could lose their jobs, though he hopes to keep a pledge to avoid compulsory redundancy.

Mr Leese said: “The unfairness of the government’s financial grant settlement for Manchester, one of the five worst in the country, has been widely reported.

I would Imagine cities such as Liverpool will also be hit harder due to some very poor areas.

Erm........ I think you're telling porkies again 118 118.

Your figure of 300 was from Feb, 2010. Stated on this website. http://www.personneltoday.com/articles/2010/02/25/54410/leeds-city-council-to-cut-300-jobs.html

However, by Nov 2010, the figure had gone up to 3000. A ten fold increase. The source? Council leader Keith Wakefield, via http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-11717011

Oh. It also states that Leeds City Council is looking to save £150mill over the next four years.

As for the rest of your post. Forget it. Can't be bothered.

You're full of bullshit 118 118. :bash: Do yourself a favour and give it up. Move on. Get a girlfriend. Get a pet. But most of all, get a life.

larven

January 26th, 2011, 06:42 PM

Do yourself a favour and give it up. Move on. Get a girlfriend. Get a pet. But most of all, get a life.

As you spend an unhealthy amount of time refuting his every post perhaps you should take your own advice.

10123

January 26th, 2011, 06:46 PM

.

My source was the FT, isn't that source credible enough?

Anyway, back to making up jobs again...

jrb

January 26th, 2011, 06:48 PM

As you spend an unhealthy amount of time refuting his every post perhaps you should take your own advice.

The point being. I'm trying to help him. Why don't you help him as well? He's a fellow Lioner. TELL HIM TO GIVE IT UP. He might listen to you?

BTW. Perhaps you should take your own advice, as you're obviously following this thread as well.

Hopefully those final huge porkies will mean we can all get back to out normal lives and daily routines.

larven

January 26th, 2011, 06:53 PM

jrb

January 26th, 2011, 07:06 PM

Leeds Troll

January 26th, 2011, 07:16 PM

As you spend an unhealthy amount of time refuting his every post perhaps you should take your own advice.

agreed, it's dubble standards, this all debate is a joke tbh, it will never end, it will go on for a life time. :ohno:

10123

January 26th, 2011, 07:25 PM

Yes It would go on forever if JRB had anything to do with it.

Anyway... back to reading the centre for cities report.... :cheers:

jrb

January 26th, 2011, 07:56 PM

agreed, it's dubble standards, this all debate is a joke tbh, it will never end, it will go on for a life time. :ohno:

Yet you see fit to exchange insults with Wirlie on a regular basis, and get involved in the said debate.

Double standards. Shocking.

BTW. See above. :wink2:

Night all.

ill tonkso

January 26th, 2011, 08:05 PM

Isn't a reliance on the navy/military a bit of a vulnerability for Portsmouth, considering the defence cutbacks? I know Plymouth has been touted as particularly at risk, but I'd imagine all big navy bases are going to suffer in some way.

Not at all, because despite the defense cutbacks, Portsmouth will still always need thousands of positions filled, and BAE systems and Accuracy International (amongst the other ones) market their ordinance 'products' accross the world. Whilst BAE systems may not be HQ'd here (it's up in surrey), a significant percentage of their global operations are here, like this thing:

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQxpDmH3nOtI51-MtJBea8aBbqcRdJDatCtGwQC1xqTQnHccpl8SQ&t=1

http://www.hmforces.co.uk/nfs/hmforces/attachment_images/0004/6709/800px-HMS_Dauntless_D33_crop380w.jpg?1286194428

This thing (Broad Oak (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=hilsea&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=40.732051,93.076172&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Hilsea,+Portsmouth,+United+Kingdom&ll=50.829971,-1.053153&spn=0.003978,0.011362&t=h&z=17))

This Thing (much of which is underground) (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=hilsea&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=40.732051,93.076172&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Hilsea,+Portsmouth,+United+Kingdom&ll=50.822055,-1.152213&spn=0.007957,0.022724&t=h&z=16)

HMS Sultan Employs a fair few civies. (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=hilsea&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=40.732051,93.076172&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Hilsea,+Portsmouth,+United+Kingdom&ll=50.802626,-1.161397&spn=0.00796,0.022724&t=h&z=16)

Another (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=hilsea&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=40.732051,93.076172&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Hilsea,+Portsmouth,+United+Kingdom&ll=50.836272,-1.19324&spn=0.007955,0.022724&t=h&z=16)

And Thorney Islands a biggy. (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=hilsea&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=40.732051,93.076172&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Hilsea,+Portsmouth,+United+Kingdom&ll=50.817487,-0.920706&spn=0.031831,0.090895&t=h&z=14)

Pompeys full of these things.

albionfagan

January 26th, 2011, 08:10 PM

You're not helping him, just insulting him most of the time. I'm not a Loiner either and read this thread because it threatens to get interesting sometimes.

You can batter each other all night long if you like with endless reports and statistics that supposedly prove this and that but the fact is both Manchester and Leeds are great cities and are hugely important to the future of this country. I'm far more intrested in the notion of the major Northern cities working together and forming strong relationships, combining their clout to lobby for more powers, demanding more and better infrastucture to enhance our connectivity and competitiveness so we can become a viable economic counterweight to London.

What a suck up. Nobody likes Leeds outside of it, why would Manchester join hands with a shithole place like Leeds which has produced absolutely nothing of worth? How many good bands/artists have come from Leeds?

People from Leeds are disgusting wretches, no creativity at all, scum of the earth every last one. Boils on the skin of England that need to be lanced at the earliest opportunity.

Leeds Troll

January 26th, 2011, 09:49 PM

What a suck up. Nobody likes Leeds outside of it, why would Manchester join hands with a shithole place like Leeds which has produced absolutely nothing of worth? How many good bands/artists have come from Leeds?

People from Leeds are disgusting wretches, no creativity at all, scum of the earth every last one. Boils on the skin of England that need to be lanced at the earliest opportunity.

Actually i think you will find out sooner or later that you're the most disgusting thing by any measures, you despise Leeds and the people of Leeds, i'm not sure why but all i can think of is that you have a massive inferiority complex, been from hull i'm probably right, lets face it hull is the absolute dive part of Yorkshire, with good reason too, it's an absolute shithole!!

tomo90

January 26th, 2011, 10:02 PM

Bit extreme Albion lol.

Ste

January 26th, 2011, 10:32 PM

Hahaha... What has Leeds done to some people on this forum? It seems to be the whipping boy of SSC.

legolamb

January 26th, 2011, 10:34 PM

I'm from Hull and don't have an inferiority complex. I realise that Hull has a far more interesting, lengthy and varied history than most places in Yorkshire and has the urban fabric to prove it.

You really could do with lightening up. It's pretty plain to see for most on here that Albion isn't always serious with his posts. More likely having a chuckle at the numpties that bite. And you're not really in a position to get wound up - you do have 'troll' in your username.

Skychaser 2005

January 27th, 2011, 01:05 AM

What a suck up. Nobody likes Leeds outside of it, why would Manchester join hands with a shithole place like Leeds which has produced absolutely nothing of worth? How many good bands/artists have come from Leeds?

People from Leeds are disgusting wretches, no creativity at all, scum of the earth every last one. Boils on the skin of England that need to be lanced at the earliest opportunity.

Whether you like it or not Mr Hull man, Leeds is your regional capital, and as such is the powerhouse for economic, cultural, transport, shopping, media, and leisure in the region.

You talk about Leeds having no creativity at all, you obviously have conveniently forgot about Opera North which is based in Leeds at the Grand Theatre which has recently had a £30 m refit, Northern Ballet which has just opened its £12m new headquarters in Leeds, one of the largest media, and advertising/digital design centres in the UK.........Oh and lets not forget that in two years time, the people of Hull will be visiting Leeds to see major music acts when Leeds Arena opens.

legolamb

January 27th, 2011, 01:17 AM

Hahaha... What has Leeds done to some people on this forum? It seems to be the whipping boy of SSC.

Erm...well...

Whether you like it or not Mr Hull man, Leeds is your regional capital, and as such is the powerhouse for economic, cultural, transport, shopping, media, and leisure in the region.

You talk about Leeds having no creativity at all, you obviously have conveniently forgot about Opera North which is based in Leeds at the Grand Theatre which has recently had a £30 m refit, Northern Ballet which has just opened its £12m new headquarters in Leeds, one of the largest media, and advertising/digital design centres in the UK.........Oh and lets not forget that in two years time, the people of Hull will be visiting Leeds to see major music acts when Leeds Arena opens.

legolamb

January 27th, 2011, 01:26 AM

Leeds Troll

January 27th, 2011, 02:41 AM

BTW: There's only one regional capital round our way, ta

Kingston upon Hull - Northern European powerhouse city-port. 700 years and counting

http://www.thenorthernway.co.uk/page.asp?id=57

http://p6.piczo.com/img/i149571222_90404_6.jpg

rofl, is that hulls catchment area?

heres a few facts about why Leeds is Yrkshires capital.
Leeds is The largest city in the UK after London and Birmingham by population with a resident catchment of
5.6m consumers
_ The UK’s largest financial centre outside London
_ The UK’s largest city rail terminal and third busiest rail terminal outside London with 50,000
passengers per day (18.2million per annum)

kids

January 27th, 2011, 04:08 AM

so the catchment area of leeds is more than the entire population of yorkshire, in other words includes Sheffield and Hull..

rofl.

legolamb

January 27th, 2011, 09:34 AM

rofl, is that Hull's catchment area

Well if you checked the link you'd have realised that is the Hull and Humber city region. Heem.

Suburban Knight

January 27th, 2011, 10:37 AM

-450 Leeds

I can tell you with some certainty that it'll end up being more than that. The £150m cuts are frontloaded by £50m. Most of the savings on staff are coming from natural wastage and voluntary schemes, but there'll certainly be a few more posts going over the next few years.

Don't forget that it's from a starting point of over 30,000 people though, and Leeds has been in a better position to weather all this than some of the other West Yorkshire councils that lost their savings in Icelandic bank accounts...

Suburban Knight

January 27th, 2011, 10:39 AM

You really could do with lightening up. It's pretty plain to see for most on here that Albion isn't always serious with his posts. More likely having a chuckle at the numpties that bite.

It's pretty plain to see he's either a tool or has a complex, more like.

legolamb

January 27th, 2011, 11:16 AM

Not condoning him, but arent' the two things you just mentioned perfect pre-requisites for all the great comedians? :dunno:

larven

January 27th, 2011, 11:47 AM

TheFly

January 27th, 2011, 12:33 PM

Your card has been well and truly marked.

Confine your bigoted filth to this thread, well known as the 'troll containment facility' otherwise I sense a ban coming your way very soon.

To me it is the fly swatting section, where you get a sense of place.

After many pages of postings it appears Leeds' predicts great things and thinks it has discovered `shopping'

Whereas Manchester:

2010 1.3million sq ft of offices let, nearly 4 time Leeds' level
2011 £300m Airport City expansion
2011 £300 Motorway expansion announced
2011 ADUG £1bn+ announcement for Man City complex
2011 1st phases of £3bn Metrolink expansion opens
2011 New 107m tower tops out
2011 Several thousand BBC jobs arrive
2011 ITV complex begins construction

Can't think of any more but not bad too start with!?

Show me the Leeds' list of real money not just pathetic sops.

Leeds will get a shopping centre and a new tiny arena (which Glasgow, Newcastle, Liverpool, Sheffield, Nottingham) which is 1/3 smaller than MEN.

That is why we bash. Cus Leeds' think they are big when they are irrelevant.

Perhaps when we get a nice 250m+ built at Eastlands, you will see us from Emley Moor more clearly?
:)

Show me Leeds's investment and costs....it pales

larven

January 27th, 2011, 12:41 PM

Boring....:drool:

The city vs city section as it relates to the UK's regional cities (especially the Northern cluster) is an increasingly redundant concept in our ever changing world. When China is talking about creating the worlds largest mega-city by merging together the nine cities that lie around the Pearl River Delta you can see which way the wind is blowing.

China to create largest mega city in the world with 42 million people (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8278315/China-to-create-largest-mega-city-in-the-world-with-42-million-people.html)

The new mega-city will cover a large part of China's manufacturing heartland, stretching from Guangzhou to Shenzhen and including Foshan, Dongguan, Zhongshan, Zhuhai, Jiangmen, Huizhou and Zhaoqing. Together, they account for nearly a tenth of the Chinese economy.

Over the next six years, around 150 major infrastructure projects will mesh the transport, energy, water and telecommunications networks of the nine cities together, at a cost of some 2 trillion yuan (£190 billion). An express rail line will also connect the hub with nearby Hong Kong.

"The idea is that when the cities are integrated, the residents can travel around freely and use the health care and other facilities in the different areas," said Ma Xiangming, the chief planner at the Guangdong Rural and Urban Planning Institute and a senior consultant on the project.

However, he said no name had been chosen for the area. "It will not be like Greater London or Greater Tokyo because there is no one city at the heart of this megalopolis," he said. "We cannot just name it after one of the existing cities."

"It will help spread industry and jobs more evenly across the region and public services will also be distributed more fairly," he added.

And most crucially...

The southern conglomeration is intended to wrestle back a competitive advantage from the growing urban areas around Beijing and Shanghai.

These are the real comparisons you should be making between cities if you really care about maximising the success of your own city region and that of the UK in general as well as providing an effective economic counterweight to London and the South East.

TheFly

January 27th, 2011, 12:48 PM

larven

January 27th, 2011, 12:53 PM

Manchester probably would be at the nucleus of this combined northern urban area (if it makes you feel better!) given its central location and superior transport connections.

TheFly

January 27th, 2011, 01:02 PM

Manchester probably would be at the nucleus of this combined northern urban area (if it makes you feel better!) given its central location and superior transport connections.

We do need to pull together to fight the SE.

Why the big three northern cities cannot link effectively is surprising.

If HS2 has such benefits, then regardless of cost, it is in the national interests to link the 2.1million of Leeds, with the 2.5 million of Manchester and the 1.7m of Liverpool with a HS line of it's own? It is a mere 70miles of track.

How can a line from Warrington to Glasgow and the Esat coast to Edinburgh be cost effective and this 70m stretch is not.

Patent nonsense and stupid. The 1st line should be London to the this new Liverpool/manchester/leeds line. The rest is just candy.

albionfagan

January 27th, 2011, 01:13 PM

It's pretty plain to see he's either a tool or has a complex, more like.

What complex? Why would I feel inferior to Leeds, I can't stand the place or people, I think it's an ugly city, with ugly people, ugly accents. It's not a complex it's just pure hatred, the people are invariably obnoxious and rude, it's just a horrible place and I don't see why I shouldn't air my opinions, this is a city bashing thread after all. Some of you leeds 'people' need to calm down a little, any harmless comment and you're up in arms.

TheFly

January 27th, 2011, 01:29 PM

What complex? Why would I feel inferior to Leeds, I can't stand the place or people, I think it's an ugly city, with ugly people, ugly accents. It's not a complex it's just pure hatred, the people are invariably obnoxious and rude, it's just a horrible place and I don't see why I shouldn't air my opinions, this is a city bashing thread after all. Some of you leeds 'people' need to calm down a little, any harmless comment and you're up in arms.

The bare chested football fans are total dickwads and an embarrassment to the city. Lord knows what cretins think that looks good.

Any manager or chairman would come out and say put your clothes on your making our City look like a bunch of heathens.

Suburban Knight

January 27th, 2011, 02:44 PM

What complex? Why would I feel inferior to Leeds, I can't stand the place or people, I think it's an ugly city, with ugly people, ugly accents. It's not a complex it's just pure hatred, the people are invariably obnoxious and rude, it's just a horrible place and I don't see why I shouldn't air my opinions, this is a city bashing thread after all. Some of you leeds 'people' need to calm down a little, any harmless comment and you're up in arms.

You're now contradicting yourself, as in the past you've also said you don't mind the city or its nightlife, just the club. Now I'd agree with you there, as I'm no Leeds United fan, but surely even you can learn to differentiate between an entre city and a few idiots that you can find anywhere?

Wirlie G

January 27th, 2011, 02:50 PM

Albion is a fucking tool, going on about 'Munichs' and not understanding why some people may get upset about it.

albionfagan

January 27th, 2011, 03:15 PM

It's all light hearted fun Wirlster, stop getting yourself in such a tizzy.

Must admit, seeing you so irate is a little funny.

Wirlie G

January 27th, 2011, 03:26 PM

Wirlie G

January 27th, 2011, 03:28 PM

Albion - tell me what you'd think of Isreali's taking the piss of the people from Gaza about the fact that they had killed many of them?

Would you find that offensive or just banter?

albionfagan

January 27th, 2011, 03:34 PM

You think taking the piss out of dead people is funny. Hidden behind your computer screen you coward.

Bet you would never consider your light hearted banter in Manchester in a pub full of United fans would you?

Know, because you know it to be highly offensive and you'd get your head kicked in.

Get over it, it's football people scream things that may offend you sometimes. I don't and would never go and say it to someone direct affected by it, I don't mean any disrespect it's just something gets sung by fans. Anyway, I've explained myself many times and asked you to ignore me but your outrage knows no bounds it seems.

Manc Guy

January 27th, 2011, 03:51 PM

rofl, is that hulls catchment area?

heres a few facts about why Leeds is Yrkshires capital.
Leeds is The largest city in the UK after London and Birmingham by population with a resident catchment of
5.6m consumers
_ The UK’s largest financial centre outside London
_ The UK’s largest city rail terminal and third busiest rail terminal outside London with 50,000
passengers per day (18.2million per annum)

Shouldnt kids your age be fast asleep in bed at 2AM?

larven

January 27th, 2011, 04:14 PM

We do need to pull together to fight the SE.

Why the big three northern cities cannot link effectively is surprising.

Exactly.

I'm not here to defend Leeds or any other city in fact. This thread is full of interesting info and as far as I'm concerned, if something significant happens in Manchester i.e. Media City then that is good for the entire Northern urban region as it shifts some of the focus away from the South East. Similarly for example the Network Rail plans to develop Manchester into the Northern Rail hub is something that should be welcomed across the North as the benefits of that investment will be reaped far beyond the boundaries of the Manchester City Region.

Perhaps against the grain of the thread somewhat but as I said, the whole Manc v Leeds v Sheffield v Liverpool debate seems increasingly redundant and counter productive. The real challenge is how these cities can compete with the dominant South East and the wider world in general and the best way to do that surely is to compete together instead of competing against each other. As you've already touched upon, if you can bring closer together the 2.1 million of Leeds, with the 2.5 million of Manchester and the 1.7m of Liverpool then you have the foundations of a pretty impressive, polycentric urban block wielding far more power and influence than any one centre within that region could alone.

jrb

January 27th, 2011, 06:48 PM

As I was saying about the new 10 district 'Manchester'. This is the way forward. Personally and without trying to big up Manchester, cities like Leeds, Liverpool, Birmingham, etc, can all learn form this model.

You often hear other forum members from other cities complaining about different local councils fighting each other for a share of the pie.

Here in Manchester we sit down, discuss the portions, and share the pie out appropriately. Sometimes evenly.

BusinessDesk.

GREATER Manchester's 10 local authorities have submitted bids to the Regional Growth Fund worth £50m, TheBusinessDesk understands.

The 10 local authorities have collaborated to ensure that the government's regional growth fund isn't swamped by similar applications from neighbouring areas.

Instead, the authorities have decided between themselves which bids to prioritise based the potential for jobs created or safeguarded through funding priority schemes.

As a result, some areas such as Manchester have submitted several bids for funding whereas other boroughs such as Trafford, Stockport and Bury are understood not to have submitted a single bid.
Among the schemes that are believed to have been submitted for funding are the redevelopment of the Royal Eye Hospital site at Manchester Science Park by Corridor Manchester (in partnership with Bruntwood) and a new phase of development of Ashton Moss scheme by Tameside Borough Council (Muse Developments).
The deadline for submissions to the new £1.4bn regional growth fund was last Friday (January 21). The national fund was launched in a bid to plug some of the shortfall caused by the closure of the regional development agencies. The North West Regional Development Agency's total spend in its last financial year was almost £600m.
A spokeswoman for the Department for Business, Innovation and Skills (BIS) which will be responsible for allocating the funds, told TheBusinessDesk.com yesterday that it could not give a firm date as to when decision on bids would be made. She also added that the number of bids that have been submitted was much higher than expected.

BIS confirmed that it received 450 bids for the first round of funding, which is distributing £250m-£300m. It also said that a second round of funding would be available this year, with the dates for application due to be announced shortly.

“My colleagues and I will now assess each bid and decide which proposals we believe will have a role in boosting the private sector and helping those adversely affected by cuts in the public sector," said Lord Heseltine, who is chairing a bid assessment panel that also includes former Salford URC chair and NWDA board member Felicity Goodey, Better Capital founder John Moulton and CBI Director-General Richard Lambert.
Once it has assessed the bids, it will advise a panel of ministers chaired by deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg as to where the funding should be allocated.
Speaking at an event organised by Pro Manchester on January 25, Manchester City Council chief executive Sir Howard Bernstein said: “We must recognise we’re operating in a different market. The traditional approach of public sector gap funding is not going to be so plentiful. We’re working hard on how to replace that, we’re thinking through alternative investment models.
“Last Friday we submitted a hugely exciting bid to the Regional Growth Fund that will help us on our way. . . We’ve a significant number of projects which are viable which are being stalled because of the lending market - the scarcity of loans, but also the pricing of that debt and finance.”
He added: “We’re still trying to bring forward big, transformational projects which at one time would have had the support of the Northwest Development Agency. We’re working with our partners at Bruntwood and Manchester Science Park on the Royal Eye Hospital and expect to bring that forward over the next few months - with direct council funding if necessary."

That's all.