But the NY Times can be excused, after all it is an American publication. Unless New York is now a suburb of Manchester or Leeds
They both cater the audiences in the United States. What possible reason could BBC America have to discriminate against mentioning Liverpool while the corporation does no such thing in the United Kingdom? Another quick google search using the identifier “Liverpool” limited to results from BBCAmerica.com should allay your fears that they hate Merseyside, since Liverpool is mentioned at least a hundred times on different pages on their website, which one assumes is aimed at the same audience as their cable station.

Hilarious :sleepy:

There, there diddums.

Magic! On the day Met Counties were created, 2m people living around Manchester became Mancunians. The previous day they weren't Mancunians, they were then known by whatever name was appropriate to their area.

Of course they didn't suddenly all morph into Mancs and it is only chest puffing local politicos and a few obsessives on SSC who want to pretend they are all Mancunians.

A 21st century manifestation of the Flat Earth Society.

Campaign update please.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i126/EdwardLindy/07-minister.jpg

Campaign update please.

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i126/EdwardLindy/07-minister.jpg

Don't walk too far. You might fall off the edge of the World.

:lol: Greater Grimchester, now there's an appropriate name.:okay: :laugh:

Magic! On the day Met Counties were created, 2m people living around Manchester became Mancunians. The previous day they weren't Mancunians, they were then known by whatever name was appropriate to their area.

Of course they didn't suddenly all morph into Mancs and it is only chest puffing local politicos and a few obsessives on SSC who want to pretend they are all Mancunians.

A 21st century manifestation of the Flat Earth Society.2 million new Mancs in one day? That must go down as one of the worst days in human history! :(

http://www.google.co.uk/maps/vt/data=LtgX-e3f8ctI3U5dJtbt7EJ1ZfRneYme,7SSCkxZKJq5OO93Dw-rUJih-rgNo9uselrDorFYASBh6IJEA38OyJu5BRDRCDpK0vOTOBOLTu8O2DPmpLgVM9hfTU-64Zx2IGOfeV-_uEWkyFQdVXVVUIEauHiwS3rsSHxn0AJm74TECNHjiNDkj_ZTR5is4ITRXaPE8DN2zSp_5lr6A

Has it fallen yet East?

Nothing in the MEN or Look North West Manchester Propaganda.

I hope you be not picking on my turf? :ohno:

2 million new Mancs in one day? That must go down as one of the worst days in human history! :(

THE worst actually.

Otherwise known throughout North America as the home of the biggest sporting franchise in the world. (cough, splutter, spit)Thought that was the "Yankees" franchise of the American League? Maybe we are reading different Forbes mags?

Thought that was the "Yankees" franchise of the American League? Maybe we are reading different Forbes mags?

Thought they were 3rd behind the Cowboys.

How many golf shots from Liverpool to the.......

Royal Birkdale Golf Club
Waterloo Road
Southport
United Kingdom
PR8 2LX

Has it ever been worked out?

Sloyne, you being the Liverpool Oracle, you should know.

Where's my mate Paul D? :runaway:

Pile in!

I couldn't care less tbh,nobody is saying it's in Liverpool,just correctly stating it's in Merseyside.Over half a Billion viewers Worldwide every tournament and the positive impact it has on Merseyside and dare I say it,Liverpool is all that I care about.:)

They both cater the audiences in the United States. What possible reason could BBC America have to discriminate against mentioning Liverpool while the corporation does no such thing in the United Kingdom? Another quick google search using the identifier “Liverpool” limited to results from BBCAmerica.com should allay your fears that they hate Merseyside, since Liverpool is mentioned at least a hundred times on different pages on their website, which one assumes is aimed at the same audience as their cable station.I'm not claiming the BBC doesn't mention Liverpool, indeed the do, mostly in a negative slant, like the documentary on the depletion of the Brazilian Amazon rain forest etc. When, and wherever possible the BBC will omit Liverpool and replace it with, their preferred location, Northwest England or, reluctantly, Merseyside.

Thought they were 3rd behind the Cowboys.Maybe.

Don't walk too far. You might fall off the edge of the World.

So you haven't taken the edge of the Mancunian world yet?

Bloody pie eating rebels, holding the campaign up.

Thought that was the "Yankees" franchise of the American League? Maybe we are reading different Forbes mags?

Is there a different Forbes mag?

I couldn't care less tbh,nobody is saying it's in Liverpool,just correctly stating it's in Merseyside.Over half a Billion viewers Worldwide every tournament and the positive impact it has on Merseyside and dare I say it,Liverpool is all that I care about.:)

I know Paul. Only messing. A bit of light hearted banter never hurt anyone.

Is there a different Forbes mag?Editions, yes. However, if the Yankees have relinquished the top spot and a soccer club has taken it's place, who cares? There are millions of people around the world who claim allegiance to one sports team or another, yet in the home cities of the respective teams just a small percentage of the residents attend games. I know that Yankee Stadium is not always full and, I daresay, nor are most stadiums regardless of the sport. That tells me a lot.

I couldn't care less tbh,nobody is saying it's in Liverpool,just correctly stating it's in Merseyside.Over half a Billion viewers Worldwide every tournament and the positive impact it has on Merseyside and dare I say it,Liverpool is all that I care about.:)

How true.

The Champions League is watched all over the World by millions, and next season, Manchester will be mentioned more than London.

:cheers:

How true.

The Champions League is watched all over the World by millions, and next season, Manchester will be mentioned more than London.

:cheers:

We get over half a Billion every year for the Grand National though Guaranteed,with this,football and the golf we're not short of exposure.:cheers:

We get over half a Billion every year for the Grand National though Guaranteed,with this,football and the golf we're not short of exposure.:cheers:

Is the Grand National really that famous outside the UK?

I've always thought of horse races as strictly national events.

Even if we know of races such as the Kentucky Derby or the Melbourne Cup. Few of us outside the racing fraternity are interested in them.

How true.

The Champions League is watched all over the World by millions, and next season, Manchester will be mentioned more than London.

:cheers:

I thought the next final was in Munich?

I know Paul. Only messing. A bit of light hearted banter never hurt anyone.

Wind ups only work on the insecure jerbster my old friend,I'm confident enough to know what my region has to offer,I know I've experienced most of it so when shits getting spouted,I know it's just that.It's nice to get involved sometimes mind,I've got to be up for it though.:)

Oh right you mean Manchester city and United.

Is the Grand National really that famous outside the UK?

I've always thought of horse races as strictly national events.

Even if we know of races such as the Kentucky Derby or the Melbourne Cup. Few of us outside the racing fraternity are interested in them.

It's hard to say and difficult to answer I suppose but it gets a lot of airtime? Bare in mind that that the racing fraternity and gamblers are people to. Are football teams famous to people who hate sport,it's a difficult one.

That's why having a broader spectrum helps,football,golf and horse racing,the Beatles,Merseybeat,the ferries and so on.

It must be true. http://www.grandnational.org.uk/

However, JLA doesn't seem to be that busier.

Personally I think Liverpool FC are a much bigger and constant draw. Now that's exposure.

Oh right you mean Manchester city and United.

City in the CL. :lol:

3 seasons ago we were f***ed.

Miracles do happen. :)

Is the Grand National really that famous outside the UK?Yes, I have watched this race in the USA, Hong Kong, France, Germany, Chile, Argentina (a bar near Newell Old Boys stadium,) Singapore, Thailand, Australia, Canada, New Zealand and a few more I can't think of right now. My grandmother always places a bet on for me then tells me the name of the horse. And the Grand National is not so much a horse race but rather a spectacle.

Few of us outside the racing fraternity are interested in them.True, very true, however, horse racing is the worlds largest spectator sport, or so I'm told. Racing is almost a daily occurrence in most temperate countries.

As for golf, every year the Golf and NBC networks telecasts, between them, the British Open in it's entirety. This is another event which I've watched, even thousands of miles on the open Pacific Ocean. Like the Masters, the British Open is a must for all golf fans.

It's the biggest betting race in the UK and pulled in 9 million viewers on BBC this year, but I'm wandering how popular it is outside the UK, any British Horse race for that matter including the Derby which seems more international.

It is without doubt a British sporting institution, no argument there.

My brother lives in New Zealand and he moved there from Aintree,one day he took the kids horse riding and were given Aintree helmets.I know it doesn't prove anything but the Grand National was obviously the inspiration for the name?

http://horselands.co.nz/product/Aintree+Helmet+Replacement+Peak-4193.htmx

I would expect the National to be famous in Australia and New Zealand, they are former British colonies and they like the gee gees there.

It's the biggest betting race in the UK and pulled in 9 million viewers on BBC this year, but I'm wandering how popular it is outside the UK, any British Horse race for that matter including the Derby which seems more international.

It is without doubt a British sporting institution, no argument there.

600 Million Worldwide the audience is,I think it's topped a Billion before now? I can't be bothered Googling but it's there somewhere.I now someone can't resist it.

I would expect the National to be famous in Australia and New Zealand, they are former British colonies and they like the gee gees there.

Because there's nothing else to do there.:)

My brother lives in New Zealand and he moved there from Aintree,one day he took the kids horse riding and were given Aintree helmets.I know it doesn't prove anything but the Grand National was obviously the inspiration for the name?

http://horselands.co.nz/product/Aintree+Helmet+Replacement+Peak-4193.htmxAnd in equestrian events a hurdle with water is known as a "Liverpool".

600 Million Worldwide the audience is,I think it's topped a Billion before now? I can't be bothered Googling but it's there somewhere.I now someone can't resist it.

I wouldn't think that was a live audience though, maybe the cumulative of newscasts and replays.

I wouldn't think that was a live audience though, maybe the cumulative of newscasts and replays.

Probably I don't know? It still puts your name out there though.

600 Million Worldwide the audience is,I think it's topped a Billion before now? I can't be bothered Googling but it's there somewhere.I now someone can't resist it.

Just wanted to back up your claim Paul. You know I love facts and figures. Regardless.

Note: I have never doubted or questioned your claim. A bit of credit please.

Probably I don't know? It still puts your name out there though.

Absolutely

I wouldn't think that was a live audience though, maybe the cumulative of newscasts and replays.You know what, you could be right, but who gives a shit, really? 600mil is 600mil is 600mil and those people will be watching the same broadcast, time delay or not. Right?

Sometimes Isaac:ohno:

Just wanted to back up your claim Paul. You know I love facts and figures. Regardless.

Note: I have never doubted or questioned your claim. A bit of credit please.


You have only my respect Jerbster and how nice it is to have a sensible debate with Isaac,that's how it should be done you gang of bastards.:lol:

You know what, you could be right, but who gives a shit, really? 600mil is 600mil is 600mil. Right?

Don't get so wound up. :)

You can watch almost any sport now all over the world, that doesn't count for much. It's when that sport or event becomes a household name and to be honest the Grand National is very little known in the US. After saying that though the vast majority haven't heard of the Commonwealth Games and they would look at you daft if you said Champions League. They wouldn't even know what game you were talking about.

Liverpool is a household name in the US because of the Beatles. They have sold more plastic in the US than Elvis.

Don't get so wound up. :)OK! Not so much at you but I am having a f*** of a day. This is my second attempt to get to a meeting and I am now waiting for a flight back home because of an airline strike. I could have been doing eighteen at my local club.:mad2:

You can watch almost any sport now all over the world, that doesn't count for much. It's when that sport or event becomes a household name and to be honest the Grand National is very little known in the US. After saying that though the vast majority haven't heard of the Commonwealth Games and they would look at you daft if you said Champions League. They wouldn't even know what game you were talking about.

Liverpool is a household name in the US because of the Beatles. They have sold more plastic in the US than Elvis.


Without doubt but as previously mentioned,there's a broader spectrum,they all have an impact in some way,no matter how small.

You have only my respect Jerbster and how nice it is to have a sensible debate with Isaac,that's how it should be done you gang of bastards.:lol:

You and Yosh are the icing on the Scouse cake, Sloyne is the filling, East is the base.

Going back to the Derby,that race has its origins in Liverpool to.

You and Yosh are the icing on the Scouse cake, Sloyne is the filling. East is the base.

I like icing.:)

Going back to the Derby,that race has its origins in Liverpool to.And, according to a talking head on ESPN, so does the Hockey Stanley Cup. (seventh game goes tonight in Vancouver. 'GO Bruins GO'.)

I'll bet you Joss Stone shit her knickers after nearly getting killed by those two lads.Totally random I know,you're not even safe in Devon now.

Who's more evil, the two men plotting to abduct and murder Joss Stone or Joss Stone? :?

...

You can watch almost any sport now all over the world, that doesn't count for much. It's when that sport or event becomes a household name and to be honest the Grand National is very little known in the US. After saying that though the vast majority haven't heard of the Commonwealth Games and they would look at you daft if you said Champions League. They wouldn't even know what game you were talking about.

Thank fuck the World isn't just the USA then; although EuxTex thinks it is.

And, according to a talking head on ESPN, so does the Hockey Stanley Cup. (seventh game goes tonight in Vancouver. 'GO Bruins GO'.)

:yes: They're named after members of the Stanley family, Earls of Derby, as is a 'local derby'. According to the interweb, that was first used in print in 1914 to describe a match between Liverpool & Everton.

This is the way I see it,
London the capital, crammed with arguably the most ignorant people on the planet (cockneys)
Liverpool, living in the past, whether its music,football or industry. The future is dull.
Birmingham is a awfully bland place which is as uncharacterized as Bradford.
Leeds is erm, an atrocious excuse for a city. Im sure you all know.
Glasgow is the largest eyesore in the northern hemisphere.
Sheffield is most famous for the crucible, that says it all.
And finally Manchester, home of the biggest and the richest football clubs, home to the renowned Oasis, who at their peak were as good the beatles. Coronation street the worlds famous soap opera. Worldwide clubs such as Hacienda and sankeys. This wonderful city also, debatably features some of the highest quality architecture in the country and is native to yours truly. The list goes on and on.....

I would say that Sheffield is more famous for it's steel production, then the snooker. I think Manc is well known for it's delusional people, and don't most Man u fans come from the south of England and Aisa?Maybe that is why they never sing at games cause half of em can't even speak English and the other half are too busy eating their prawn sandwiches.

This is the way I see it,
London the capital, crammed with arguably the most ignorant people on the planet (cockneys)
Liverpool, living in the past, whether its music,football or industry. The future is dull.
Birmingham is a awfully bland place which is as uncharacterized as Bradford.
Leeds is erm, an atrocious excuse for a city. Im sure you all know.
Glasgow is the largest eyesore in the northern hemisphere.
Sheffield is most famous for the crucible, that says it all.
And finally Manchester, home of the biggest and the richest football clubs, home to the renowned Oasis, who at their peak were as good the beatles. Coronation street the worlds famous soap opera. Worldwide clubs such as Hacienda and sankeys. This wonderful city also, debatably features some of the highest quality architecture in the country and is native to yours truly. The list goes on and on.....

Don't talk wet.

Oasis, dear god. A decent first album and some fine b-sides, but a very average band aside from that. Also haven't they split up and the Hacienda is now flats? I thought you said Liverpool lived in the past?

Oh God, not another Manc troll? Goes on ignore.

Oh God, not another Manc troll? Goes on ignore.

:lol:

Chill out!

This is the...

My city vs Your City (official city bashing thread) ...after all.

:cheers:

This is the way I see it,
London the capital, crammed with arguably the most ignorant people on the planet (cockneys)
Liverpool, living in the past, whether its music,football or industry. The future is dull.
Birmingham is a awfully bland place which is as uncharacterized as Bradford.
Leeds is erm, an atrocious excuse for a city. Im sure you all know.
Glasgow is the largest eyesore in the northern hemisphere.
Sheffield is most famous for the crucible, that says it all.
And finally Manchester, home of the biggest and the richest football clubs, home to the renowned Oasis, who at their peak were as good the beatles. Coronation street the worlds famous soap opera. Worldwide clubs such as Hacienda and sankeys. This wonderful city also, debatably features some of the highest quality architecture in the country and is native to yours truly. The list goes on and on.....

Seriously?

Football - Liverpool FC are just as famous as Manchester United.

Music - Oasis were never as big as the Beatles.

TV - Corrie is not world famous lmao.

Clubs - the Hacienda died years ago whereas Cream is still going strong. Cream and Garlands are big in Ibiza too and they are Liverpool brands by the way.

Architecture - Liverpool, Glasgow and Newcastle are just as good as Manchester.

The list does indeed go on!

Dont take Saul Silver too seriously , have you seen what he has wrote in the Manc forum:lol:

Seriously?

Football - Liverpool FC are just as famous as Manchester United.

Music - Oasis were never as big as the Beatles.

TV - Corrie is not world famous lmao.

Clubs - the Hacienda died years ago whereas Cream is still going strong. Cream and Garlands are big in Ibiza too and they are Liverpool brands by the way.

Architecture - Liverpool, Glasgow and Newcastle are just as good as Manchester.

The list does indeed go on!





I actually can't believe anyone took that post seriously..............bloody hell, pretty embarrassing.

The original post was an order of magnitude more embarrasing.

He's clearly a WUM - look at this post in the Manchester forums:

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=325831&page=115

:lol:

Chill out!

This is the...

My city vs Your City (official city bashing thread) ...after all.

:cheers:

I know, mate. Just seeing what my mukka, jrb, would make of it. He says I'm going over to 'the dark side' ;)

http://i51.tinypic.com/33kt5jt.jpg

Ok - after reading Greggo's posts on GM and my own take on the outside media's viewpoint of the county, I had to prove a point here.
The various boroughs that make up GM have recently been shortened to become parts of the city of Manchester but when looking at the map it is not always the case - yes some areas are joined but it's too lazy to just think Wigan is Manchester when it's clearly not. In contrast, Brum's urban sprawl stretches way into Solihull and the Black Country. Now, the outside media (and idiotic local parochials) would never say that Sandwell is "in Birmingham", likewise Solihull, but they clearly are part of the "city". WBA's Hawthorns is on the eastern edge of Sandwell bordering on Handsworth but the media say they're a West Midlands club, but Old Trafford is in Trafford but of course the location is made to be in Manchester - same situation, different way of saying the truth.
Likewise Trafford Centre, Manchester (wrong) but Touchwood Centre, Solihull or Merry Hill Centre, Brierley Hill would rather cut off their own balls if located in Birmingham.

So, to summarise - GM does a great job at massaging the truth to the media while Birmingham gets thrown into some vague mush called West Midlands when truthfully it is more dominant and influential as the focal point of its city region.

I think most people think of Birmingham as the second biggest city to London.

I know, mate. Just seeing what my mukka, jrb, would make of it. He says I'm going over to 'the dark side' ;)

"Whoa, it's a Marlin!"

"Reel it in!!" "Reel it in!!"

(Glasgow Docks)

http://www.notoriousfishing.com/photo_albumNPCABO/images/NPCABO9_jpg.jpg

(Glasgow Docks)

http://www.notoriousfishing.com/photo_albumNPCABO/images/NPCABO9_jpg.jpg



I fucking wish!

Our cities would probably be the best in the world if they had a better climate.

What happened to that global warming lark? I thought were going be the new Spain?

I actually can't believe anyone took that post seriously..............bloody hell, pretty embarrassing.

I found the post that ridiculous I had to counter act his claims just to prove it.

http://i51.tinypic.com/33kt5jt.jpg

Ok - after reading Greggo's posts on GM and my own take on the outside media's viewpoint of the county, I had to prove a point here.
The various boroughs that make up GM have recently been shortened to become parts of the city of Manchester but when looking at the map it is not always the case - yes some areas are joined but it's too lazy to just think Wigan is Manchester when it's clearly not. In contrast, Brum's urban sprawl stretches way into Solihull and the Black Country. Now, the outside media (and idiotic local parochials) would never say that Sandwell is "in Birmingham", likewise Solihull, but they clearly are part of the "city". WBA's Hawthorns is on the eastern edge of Sandwell bordering on Handsworth but the media say they're a West Midlands club, but Old Trafford is in Trafford but of course the location is made to be in Manchester - same situation, different way of saying the truth.


Likewise Trafford Centre, Manchester (wrong) but Touchwood Centre, Solihull or Merry Hill Centre, Brierley Hill would rather cut off their own balls if located in Birmingham.

So, to summarise - GM does a great job at massaging the truth to the media while Birmingham gets thrown into some vague mush called West Midlands when truthfully it is more dominant and influential as the focal point of its city region.

A. Do you know how close Trafford is to the City of Manchester? I've just stepped into it.

B. Your city region isn't comparable to Gtr Manchester's. In the way it's set up and/or run.

Another forum member trying to rubbish (Gtr) Manchester.

Roll up, roll up and join the queue.

If I was you lot I would just for once concentrate on your own city/city region. We're doing just fine thank you. Just ask Digby. (sniff)

I fucking wish!

F*** off Boards, the Clyde is crystal clear. Stop trying to make out it isn't :wink2:

F*** off Boards, the Clyde is crystal clear. Stop trying to make out it isn't :wink2:

It's full of Mermaids too.

It's full of Mermaids too.

Sitting on coral reefs.

Being "close to" is not "in" jerb. As I have laid out above, Brum's environs are more densely urbanised than anything GM can shake a stick at yet those little townships that surround your strip of a borough have denounced their own identity and the media have swallowed it. I hate to see Brum's neighbours show their defiance but at least they've got balls! Gt Brum is geographically denser and merged together than Gt Man - we are that metropolis.

Sitting on coral reefs.

Just up the river from the Sirens

Just up the river from the Sirens

and palm trees.

Your just being silly now:wink2:

Being "close to" is not "in" jerb. As I have laid out above, Brum's environs are more densely urbanised than anything GM can shake a stick at yet those little townships that surround your strip of a borough have denounced their own identity and the media have swallowed it. I hate to see Brum's neighbours show their defiance but at least they've got balls! Gt Brum is geographically denser and merged together than Gt Man - we are that metropolis.

F*** me, MP's been on the Greggo Juice.(available throughout Leeds and the West Midlands)

Put the bottle away and sober up fella.

It's yesterday's news.

Your just being silly now:wink2:

Can you blame me matey. It's like the Priory Clinic has descended on the City Talk threads.

""Hallo everyone and welcome to the (Gtr) Manchester addition meeting."

"Please introduce yourselfs."

Can you blame me matey. It's like the Priory Clinic has descended on the City Talk threads.

""Hallo everyone and welcome to the (Gtr) Manchester addition meeting."

"Please introduce yourselfs."

I think of you more as a pestilence.

I think of you more as a pestilence.

Interesting.

I've been called a few things in life, but never that.

1. A usually fatal epidemic disease, especially bubonic plague.
2. A pernicious, evil influence or agent.

I actually can't believe anyone took that post seriously..............bloody hell, pretty embarrassing.

I'm sorry for responding he just sounded like another GM poster to me.

Being "close to" is not "in" jerb. As I have laid out above, Brum's environs are more densely urbanised than anything GM can shake a stick at yet those little townships that surround your strip of a borough have denounced their own identity and the media have swallowed it. I hate to see Brum's neighbours show their defiance but at least they've got balls! Gt Brum is geographically denser and merged together than Gt Man - we are that metropolis.

The media are largely to blame imo not the people as a whole. Definitely though various sections of that public have eagerly swallowed it up. This is, to say the least, unfair on the proud Stopfordians, Ashtonians, Salfordians, Boltonians etc. who are getting swept along with the illusion and if they oppose this manchester myth get called 'pedantic'.

Like Brum Leeds' neighbours at all cost would and in most cases do hold their identity proudly. I mentioned Morley earlier in the thread, that district of Leeds even as a Morley Independance party and Bradford forget it. The people of Bradford would rather cut their own balls off than be identified as Leeds.

"Stopfordians"???

Trust me, I know people from Bolton and they NEVER refer to themselves as Mancunian :)

The original post was an order of magnitude more embarrasing.



not in my opinion, it was clearly a joke and satirical (regardless of how funny it was or wasn't), someone failing to spot that and trying to debate the ridiculous points being made in jest is to my mind pretty embarrassing, I suppose you may not be able to see that as the one-eyed man

Oh deary me.

But in the real world, and not asking your mate or someone from Leeds:

Economically-airport, M60, metrolink
Culturally-Trafford Centre/Ski complex/MEN/Lowry/Palace Theatre etc
Sports-Sport City (pisses all over rest of UK [non London] and is about to become very large indeed)


I will take the above evidence above `your mate'.

He can say what he wants but the data shows he is using Manchester on a scale to make him a Mancunian, an effect that stretches far up the Rossendale Valley, M61, M56, M63 and into Cheshire and NW Derbyshire.

That is why we are getting the investment and it is fantastic to see the deniars. It is only allowing our councils to power ahead.

Latest unemployment figures for:

NW? Poor.
GM- very good.

Go figure!

Being "close to" is not "in" jerb. As I have laid out above, Brum's environs are more densely urbanised than anything GM can shake a stick at yet those little townships that surround your strip of a borough have denounced their own identity and the media have swallowed it. I hate to see Brum's neighbours show their defiance but at least they've got balls! Gt Brum is geographically denser and merged together than Gt Man - we are that metropolis.

Are cities the sum of their buildings or the sum of their people? If you think about the cities in terms of their distribution of people another pattern emerges. Manchester is at the dead centre of its population distribution, whereas Birmingham is the eastern half of its own. The people of those townships that surround the strip of a city of Manchester have always* looked to Manchester as the districts of Birmingham look to their city centre. They aren't analagous to the Black Country towns as their populations are largely displaced Mancunians, rather than people who moved into those settlements themselves with industrialisation.

Now the case of Bolton, Bury (town), Rochdale etc. is different. These were industrial towns distinguishable from the Manchester sprawl with their own histories, people and heritage. But town does not equal borough, and because of Manchester's central position many (if not all) of these towns sprawled towards Manchester as the city sprawled towards them. Parts of almost all the boroughs (the exceptions being Bolton and Wigan) have districts which are really just the Manc townships I was talking about above, with other areas a mixture of both populations. Birmingham is as if not more urbanised than Manchester, but because of the way the city has grown it can command less loyalty from its neighbouring populations than the city of Manchester can#. That isn't abandoning identity or media delusion, but a true reflection of the sentiments of a greater part of the people of the urban core of Greater Manchester.

*Since they were developed from rural land between 110 and 80 years ago.
#I would imagine that there are similar areas of Brum/Black Country and Brum/Solihull along the city's borders, but I don't know Brum well enough to say.

Also to Gregg - Keep bringing up Bolton and Ashton and you may have a point. But the larger part of Greater Manchester isn't large towns but very small localities. (there's something like twice as many settlements in the GM urban area as the WM one). These are the places that I'm talking about when I'm saying they have little independent identity, rather than Bolton and Wigan.

"Stopfordians"???


Trust me, I know people from Bolton and they NEVER refer to themselves as Mancunian :)

People from Stockport.


Thanks for confirming that about Bolton folk, mirrors my own experience when I have met people from GM.

Oh deary me.

But in the real world, and not asking your mate or someone from Leeds:

Economically-airport, M60, metrolink
Culturally-Trafford Centre/Ski complex/MEN/Lowry/Palace Theatre etc
Sports-Sport City (pisses all over rest of UK [non London] and is about to become very large indeed)


I will take the above evidence above `your mate'.

He can say what he wants but the data shows he is using Manchester on a scale to make him a Mancunian, an effect that stretches far up the Rossendale Valley, M61, M56, M63 and into Cheshire and NW Derbyshire.

That is why we are getting the investment and it is fantastic to see the deniars. It is only allowing our councils to power ahead.

Latest unemployment figures for:

NW? Poor.
GM- very good.

Go figure!

It's only like a focus group. Over the years the more people you meet from GM you gain a better knowledge and understanding of where they are coming from and like I said earlier in the thread they don't identify with manchester. That's the media myth.

Also to Gregg - Keep bringing up Bolton and Ashton and you may have a point. But the larger part of Greater Manchester isn't large towns but very small localities. (there's something like twice as many settlements in the GM urban area as the WM one). These are the places that I'm talking about when I'm saying they have little independent identity, rather than Bolton and Wigan.

I understand that cheg but these places can't be any smaller than Morley, Pudsey for example.

It's only like a focus group. Over the years the more people you meet from GM you gain a better knowledge and understanding of where they are coming from and like I said earlier in the thread they don't identify with manchester. That's the media myth.

The myth is their words.

If they use the facilities, travel to the centre for high-paid work, take the taxes and spend it on the airport and Metrolink their actions are completely different!

The facts speak for themselves.

When a Bolton lad wants a fine suit he heads to Manchester.
When a Rochdale lass wants a drink she heads into town-Manchester.

Theatre, concerts, shopping, sports!

Bolton get 20,000 gates, Stockport get 10,000, Oldham get 6,000, Rochdale 2,000, Ashton 0.

They watch United & City.

Don't give me bollocks about London fans- fuel strike, evening kick-off sell-out at Old Trafford, no spaces....locals.

Facts, facts, facts.

Manchester has consumed the outlying towns,villages and hamlets.

Manchester is almost unique in it's geography and spread of growth.

A large focus surrounded by nodes of towns all a similar distance from the centre. The spread happened, is getting more pronounced and has become 1.

If a new city was to be drawn today......

The myth is their words.

If they use the facilities, travel to the centre for high-paid work, take the taxes and spend it on the airport and Metrolink their actions are completely different!

The facts speak for themselves.

When a Bolton lad wants a fine suit he heads to Manchester.
When a Rochdale lass wants a drink she heads into town-Manchester.

Theatre, concerts, shopping, sports!

Bolton get 20,000 gates, Stockport get 10,000, Oldham get 6,000, Rochdale 2,000, Ashton 0.

They watch United & City.

Don't give me bollocks about London fans- fuel strike, evening kick-off sell-out at Old Trafford, no spaces....locals.

Facts, facts, facts.

Manchester has consumed the outlying towns,villages and hamlets.

Manchester is almost unique in it's geography and spread of growth.

A large focus surrounded by nodes of towns all a similar distance from the centre. The spread happened, is getting more pronounced and has become 1.

If a new city was to be drawn today......

Using the facilities doesn't mean squat. Leeds has bus trips from all over the place full of people wanting to shop in the City. They don't go home thinking they are Loiners.

The glory has blinded you. You're saying more people from the towns of GM support manuh and citeh than they do their own town team?

You're saying 'cause a bloke from Bolton goes to manchester to buy himself a suit it makes him a manc?

manchester has NOT consumed the outlying towns, villages and hamlets. GM has and there is a definitive distinction between the two. The point is the media at large ignore that distinction and it appears so do a lot of posters on here.

Coming from Leeds, why does this concern you so?

The council tax payers of Bolton, Stockport, Oldham pay for the airport, Metrolink and support Manchester.

If your theory is correct why is this not a political issue?

Where is the Bolton Sepratist movement?

They are linked, ever more so with each passing day, to Manchester.

That is why ADUG cam to Man City.
BBC to Salford
Metrolink to Manchester and not Leeds or Glasgow etc.

It is a unified county, operating as one urban mass, with local centres of power.

That is why we are `winning' and continue to win.

The sooner you accept that Manchester is far far bigger than you want it to be the healthier you will become.

not in my opinion, it was clearly a joke and satirical (regardless of how funny it was or wasn't), someone failing to spot that and trying to debate the ridiculous points being made in jest is to my mind pretty embarrassing, I suppose you may not be able to see that as the one-eyed man

Although I'm from Birkenhead, also known as the One Eyed City, I can assure you I am indeed in possession of two eyes. However, not being familiar with this particular character's antics, and the similar posting style of half a dozen or so of his cohort, it is understandable that some people may take him seriously!

"Stopfordians"???

Trust me, I know people from Bolton and they NEVER refer to themselves as Mancunian :)

And I know people living in the Birmingham City Region that would 'never' call themselves 'Brummies'.

The same can be said for any City/City Region.

If somebody doesn't class themselves as Mancunian, I and others have no problem with that.

The problem lies with certain people who can't and won't accept that people want to and 'will' call themselves Mancunian, even though they were born outside the City of Manchester and live in one of the 9 other boroughs of (Gtr) Manchester.

Go figure.

I've OD'd on Greggo juice.

I'm tripping like f***!.

My head's spinning and everything is a blur.

Hopefully staying off it and a period of dettox will bring me round?

It's the biggest betting race in the UK and pulled in 9 million viewers on BBC this year, but I'm wandering how popular it is outside the UK, any British Horse race for that matter including the Derby which seems more international.

It is without doubt a British sporting institution, no argument there.I believe the Grand National has the highest television viewing figures of any horse race in the world. The Derby and Royal Ascot do not have such a high international profile.

I posted a forum on a different website to greater manchester folk, " is oldham ...."

A) in manchester
B) a seperate place near manchester
C) part of manchester

27 said seperate place
2 said part of manchester
0 said in manchester

You can see the forum in the top 20 most popular threads if you log in to fitlads.net

Bite that ya bitch.

Wiggs my old....., get your teeth into that and pull it apart.

It's from the MEN so it does have a biased slant.

Picking the flesh off the carcass, the private sectors jobs GMCA are targeting are bearing fruit.

Go on Wiggs, have a bite of the forbidden apple.

Manchester bucks north west unemployment trend

Unemployment in the north west has shown the biggest rise of any region in the country as public sector cuts begin to bite, although Greater Manchester appears to be riding out the storm.

The jobless total for the region in the three months to April rose by 13,000 to 277,000, or 8.1 per cent of the working population, with retail, health and social work and construction among the sectors which saw the highest number of redundancies.

The number of Jobseeker's Allowance claimants also grew by 3,100 from April to May to 185,100, or 5.3 per cent of the north west working population, according to the Office for National Statistics.

Areas such as Blackpool, Liverpool, Blackburn and Cumbria have performed weakly, but Greater Manchester fared better, with a marginal fall in the number of people claiming in May from 76,744 to 76,602.

The sectors which generated most new roles in the city region was administrative support, professional and scientific, and financial services.

Dr Brian Sloan, head of business and economic policy at Greater Manchester Chamber of Commerce, said: “We are seeing private sector job creation, mainly in the city centre in sectors like financial services.

“But that is being offset by unemployment from the public sector and private sector businesses that are suffering from the consequences of reduced public sector spend.

“People on different kinds of benefits are also being reassessed, with a large number being shifted on to Jobseeker's Allowance.”

Dr Sloan said he believes the claimant count was a more up-to-date measure of employment trends, and he expected the increase in the number of people out of work to slow next month.

Jerry Stokes, chief executive of Work Solutions, which works with GM Chamber helping unemployed adults find work, said: “Our data suggests there has been healthy private sector job creation in manufacturing and the professional services sector across Greater Manchester.

“This would have been stronger had we not started to see the impact of public sector losses and the government’s policy of moving people to Jobseeker’s Allowance from other benefits.

“We should take this as positive news that business confidence is holding up at present and there are jobs out there; but regional disparities exist and it will be easier for some than others to find work.”

Nationally, unemployment fell by 88,000 to 7.7 per cent, the biggest quarterly fall in more than a decade, taking the jobless total to 2.43 million.

But the number of people claiming Jobseeker's Allowance jumped by 19,600 last month to 1.49 million, or 4.6 per cent, the worst figure for more than a year.

PS. Note the confusion. The title states Manchester.(some would assume that would be the 'City of Manchester') Then in the first paragraph it states (Gtr) Manchester.

Feel free.

I posted a forum on a different website to greater manchester folk, " is oldham ...."

A) in manchester
B) a seperate place near manchester
C) part of manchester

27 said seperate place
2 said part of manchester
0 said in manchester

You can see the forum in the top 20 most popular threads if you log in to fitlads.net

Wow!

When's the white paper out?

I could go back to work and ask the people there if they were Mancunian and from Manchester, even though they live in different boroughs spread across the city. The vast majority would say 'yes' instantly.

Perhaps certain forum members think they have stumbeled across something new, specific, and concrete? Wrong. Nothing changes, unless one of you really is Jesus Christ. And even then you would struggle to change the........

But in the real when, logged off from this forum, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone from Bolton,bury town, oldham, rochdale, or wigan who would say those places are in manchester. Its really not even up for discussion its so concrete. Yet its funny seeing people like TheFly desperately trying to pretend otherwise.

But in the real when, logged off from this forum, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone from Bolton,bury town, oldham, rochdale, or wigan who would say those places are in manchester. Its really not even up for discussion its so concrete. Yet its funny seeing people like TheFly desperately trying to pretend otherwise.

Two differnt mindsets.

They are not from (the City of) Manchester, they are part of (Gtr) Manchester. That big f*** off urban sprawl, which 'I' class as a 'city'.

It's the same for any city. Manchester is no different to London, Birmingham, Liverpool, etc.

You Mancs really need to get over yourselves, it appears that you all think that the world revolves around Manchester. Think all you Mancs need a reality check, the only reason why people visit Manc is to either visit Old Trafford or go shopping and that is it really. Manc is nothing special really, it has some decent shopping yeah, an average skyline and it's a bit grim.

But in the real when, logged off from this forum, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone from Bolton,bury town, oldham, rochdale, or wigan who would say those places are in manchester. Its really not even up for discussion its so concrete. Yet its funny seeing people like TheFly desperately trying to pretend otherwise.

Not just me Wriggley Worm thought is it?


Metrolink-GM wide
M60-GM wide
Airport-GM wide
Sports City
Ski complex
Trafford Centre
Manchester theatres.

All `Manchester' but used by the 9 other boroughs.

You are in denial and cannot see the truth.

Read the casino report by Her Majesty's Government.

`Far and away the largest economic driver outside of London'

The signs are there Wiggs:

1) Big fuck off airport
2) The two largest football clubs
3) Orbital "Ring Road" tiltled "Manchester Outer Ring Road"

"Manchester Outer Ring Road" is a killer app people.

For most of it's circumference it is not in Manchester! Indeed only about 10% is in Manchester.

So, you are all deluding yourselvess...comically.

Look at the jobs piling in, the investment, the towers.

Nice to see someone finally admit it. Its cringeworthy trying to see you all desperately pretend places like Bolton are in manchester when not a single person in Bolton would agree. Its not even up for discussion.

Wow!

When's the white paper out?

I could go back to work and ask the people there if they were Mancunian and from Manchester, even though they live in different boroughs spread across the city. The vast majority would say 'yes' instantly.

Perhaps certain forum members think they have stumbeled across something new, specific, and concrete? Wrong. Nothing changes, unless one of you really is Jesus Christ. And even then you would struggle to change the........

Absolute bullshit, unless you work in a loony bin full of the deluded.

But in the real when, logged off from this forum, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone from Bolton,bury town, oldham, rochdale, or wigan who would say those places are in manchester. Its really not even up for discussion its so concrete. Yet its funny seeing people like TheFly desperately trying to pretend otherwise.

Absolute bang right. It's that concrete it's not even funny anymore.

Two differnt mindsets.

They are not from (the City of) Manchester, they are part of (Gtr) Manchester. That big f*** off urban sprawl, which 'I' class as a 'city'.

It's the same for any city. Manchester is no different to London, Birmingham, Liverpool, etc.

Good luck on convincing people from Bolton that one :lol:

I think all you Mancs need to take a need to take log off, take a deep breath and take your pills before you become even more delusional.

Not just me Wriggley Worm thought is it?


Metrolink-GM wide
M60-GM wide
Airport-GM wide
Sports City
Ski complex
Trafford Centre
Manchester theatres.

All `Manchester' but used by the 9 other boroughs.

You are in denial and cannot see the truth.

Read the casino report by Her Majesty's Government.

`Far and away the largest economic driver outside of London'

The signs are there Wiggs:

1) Big fuck off airport
2) The two largest football clubs
3) Orbital "Ring Road" tiltled "Manchester Outer Ring Road"

"Manchester Outer Ring Road" is a killer app people.

For most of it's circumference it is not in Manchester! Indeed only about 10% is in Manchester.

So, you are all deluding yourselvess...comically.

Look at the jobs piling in, the investment, the towers.


Arsenal are a bigger club historically than both manchester clubs and they definitely have a larger core support. Before the Last Real Championship was won in 1991/92 what was manuh's average attendance? I'm guessing you were just being diplomatic about citeh right? Their core support is nowt special.

Not just me Wriggley Worm thought is it?


Metrolink-GM wide
M60-GM wide
Airport-GM wide
Sports City
Ski complex
Trafford Centre
Manchester theatres.

All `Manchester' but used by the 9 other boroughs.

You are in denial and cannot see the truth.

Read the casino report by Her Majesty's Government.

`Far and away the largest economic driver outside of London'

The signs are there Wiggs:

1) Big fuck off airport
2) The two largest football clubs
3) Orbital "Ring Road" tiltled "Manchester Outer Ring Road"

"Manchester Outer Ring Road" is a killer app people.

For most of it's circumference it is not in Manchester! Indeed only about 10% is in Manchester.

So, you are all deluding yourselvess...comically.

Look at the jobs piling in, the investment, the towers.

Lol you're funny.

Large urban areas will naturally share infrastructure be it the west midlands urban area, the west Yorkshire urban area, or the greater manchester urban area. An airpoort or an IKEA is shared by region. Just because people from the seperate town of Bolton use manchester airport doesn't mean Bolton is in manchester. Are you really that thick or just playing?

Alderley Edge, Cheshire....not Manchester. Is to them, is to us. Based in a village constructed by Manchester railways for Manchester commuters:

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5066/5838581927_729abecbb0_b.jpg[/url]


Alderley Park, situated in the heart of Cheshire in the North-West of England, is AstraZeneca’s largest research and development site worldwide, employing almost 4,000 people, including chemists, bioscientists, pharmacologists, geneticists, clinical researchers and regulatory specialists.

As the global lead centre for cancer research, Alderley Park houses the global Advanced Lead Discovery Centre.

Scientists at Alderley Park are committed to discovering and developing medicines that will help patients live longer and with a better quality of life. Anti-cancer treatments that have been developed at the site include AstraZeneca products Nolvadex, Zoladex, Casodex, Arimidex and Iressa.

The site’s rich heritage of major advancements in medical treatments helps to fulfill AstraZeneca’s mission of making the most meaningful difference to patient health through great medicines.

As well as R&D, Alderley Park is also an important centre for many other global business functions such as Operations, Global Commercial, Product Strategy & Licensing and Information Services. It is the task of these teams to identify portfolio objectives and targets, forecast likely sales and ensure that AstraZeneca produces the right products at the right time in the right quantities.

Covering 400 acres, 80% of which remains woodland, water and farmland, Alderley Park is steeped in history, yet ultra-modern high tech steel and glass. It is a dynamic place to work and makes a strong contribution to the local community.

Welcome to Manchester. It's not all footballers.

There is a reason to be cocksure and we know it.

Arsenal are a bigger club historically than both manchester clubs and they definitely have a larger core support. Before the Last Real Championship was won in 1991/92 what was manuh's average attendance? I'm guessing you were just being diplomatic about citeh right? Their core support is nowt special.



Yeah that's right, Man City are not really a massive club, historically they are about the same size as my club Sheff Wed.It's only the last few years through the recent investment that they have all of a sudden become a massive club apparently.

secession a region. Just because people from the seperate town of Bolton se manchester airport doesn't mean Bolton is in manchester. Are you really that thick or just playing?

Ignorance is bliss.

Do Londoners own Manchester Airport Group?
Do Loiners?

Do the lads from Bolton- YES FFS not part of Manchester? They own part of it!

Duh!

Metrolink to Manchester and not Leeds or Glasgow etc.



Eh? Why would you even bring Glasgow into that? The city never put forward a bid for funding. Manchester wasn't competing with Glasgow. It wasn't Manchester FTW :nuts:

Eh? Why would you even bring Glasgow into that? The city never put forward a bid for funding. Manchester wasn't competing with Glasgow. It wasn't Manchester FTW :nuts:

Aye, true. I like Glasgow, I think of it as our nearest cousin.

If it was not for the London fawning over Edinburgh, Glasgow would be in it's rightful place.

Still, let's hope the Commenwealth Games starts you on a track that Manchester has shown?

Nice to see someone finally admit it. Its cringeworthy trying to see you all desperately pretend places like Bolton are in manchester when not a single person in Bolton would agree. Its not even up for discussion.

Who has actually said that though?

The debate isn't even about whether people from anywhere in GM should call themselves Manc, it's about whether they should be allowed to.

Aye, true. I like Glasgow, I think of it as our nearest cousin.

If it was not for the London fawning over Edinburgh, Glasgow would be in it's rightful place.

Still, let's hope the Commenwealth Games starts you on a track that Manchester has shown?

Yeah. Fucking Edinburgh :lol:;) The Games are the best chance ever to boost the city's reputation, which is quite bad to be honest, in my opinion.

Ignorance is bliss.

Do Londoners own Manchester Airport Group?
Do Loiners?

Do the lads from Bolton- YES FFS not part of Manchester? They own part of it!

Duh!

Yes the boroughs of greater manchester have part shares in the airport, which had been no different to leeds bradford airport. That doesn't mean bradford is all f a suddeon in leeds or that Bolton is in manchester ..you're hilarious. The scariest thing is I think you really believe yourself. Every single person on Bolton would disagree with the statement that Bolton is in manchester. Repeatedly screaming it over and over to yourself won't make it true sadly

You Mancs really need to get over yourselves, it appears that you all think that the world revolves around Manchester. Think all you Mancs need a reality check, the only reason why people visit Manc is to either visit Old Trafford or go shopping and that is it really. Manc is nothing special really, it has some decent shopping yeah, an average skyline and it's a bit grim.

You need to get over yourself matey.

It's not us Mancs who who aren't at ease with who and what we are. God forbid that we would ever question a Cockney, Brummie, Scouser, Lioner, etc, about their identity and the make-up of their city.

It's mot us Manc who posted and started the 2nd city debate thread.

It's not us Mancs who keep on bashing other cities, yet non Mancs continually bash Manchester. (we just reply in kind)

As for you. Why would somebody from Sheffield want to get involved in the debate anyway? Perhaps you just wanted to be part of the gang? Feeling left out were we?

As for your.....

Manc is nothing special really, it has some decent shopping yeah, an average skyline and it's a bit grim

You've already posted that. Remember? Yawn.

Welcome to the gang. It gets bigger by the day. :lol:

Who has actually said that though?

The debate isn't even about whether people from anywhere in GM should call themselves Manc, it's about whether they should be allowed to.

The fly disagrees when it is pointed out to him that bury town, wigan, oldham, rochdale, and Bolton are not in manchester.

And yes people can call themselves whatever they like. The point is people from Bolton really really don't refer to themselves as mancunians.

As for you. Why would somebody from Sheffield want to get involved in the debate anyway? Perhaps you just wanted to be part of the gang. Feeling left out were we?



I aired my views because i'm sick of just about every thread on city talk being polluted by this Manc arrogant bullshit.The nonsense that comes out of you Mancs is ridiculous, and now Mancs are claiming that half of Lancashire is actually Manchester.:bash:

No, one Manc is, so shut the fuck up. :)

I aired my views because i'm sick of just about every thread on city talk being polluted by this Manc arrogant bullshit.The nonsense that comes out of you Mancs is ridiculous, and now Mancs are claiming that half of Lancashire is actually Manchester.:bash:

If you feed the fire.

Now put the paraffin down and the fire will go out eventually. Is it sinking into you and the other gang members yet?

No, one Manc is, so shut the fuck up. :)

No wonder your called kids, with a reaction like that.:ohno:

If you feed the fire.

Now put the paraffin down and the fire will go out eventually. Is it sinking into you and the other gang members yet?

Well if all you Mancs stopped talking this arrogant bullshit then we wouldn't need to pick up the paraffin in the first place.

Typical Manc arrogance?

There's one Manc on here claiming half of Lancashire (one I've got on ignore - I recommend you do all the same) so like I say, stop bitching about Mancs/shut the fuck up.

Typical Manc arrogance?

There's one Manc on here claiming half of Lancashire (one I've got on ignore - I recommend you do all the same) so like I say, stop bitching about Mancs/shut the fuck up.

Calm down dear is it your time of the month is it?:lol:

Ah right so you're just a troll, fair enough. :)

The fly disagrees when it is pointed out to him that bury town, wigan, oldham, rochdale, and Bolton are not in manchester.

And yes people can call themselves whatever they like. The point is people from Bolton really really don't refer to themselves as mancunians.

And once again. Do forum members question the make-up of London, Birmingham, Liverpool, Glasgow etc? Of course they don't. Neither do we.(Mancs)

We accept those cities as they are. Not a problem. Not an issue.

The only people that question Manchester's make-up are those forum members who have an agenda and a vested interest in(fill in as appropriate) Manchester.

Unfortunately the ragtag gang made up of 'certain' Scousers, Lioners, Brummies and Sheffielders-via London, are hell bent on carrying on their campaign of attrition.

The question has to be, what purpose does it serve and why?

Ah right so you're just a troll, fair enough. :)

So you get beat in the battle and resort to calling me a troll.:bash:, if you can't take it then don't dish it out. Your the one who started swearing aren't you, so who is the troll?

Well if all you Mancs stopped talking this arrogant bullshit then we wouldn't need to pick up the paraffin in the first place.

Yet you still read those posts and threads.

Use the ignore button/option.

But you can't bring yourself to do it can you.

Go on then. My posts have gone. Feel better now?

So you get beat in the battle and resort to calling me a troll.:bash:, if you can't take it then don't dish it out. Your the one who started swearing aren't you, so who is the troll?

:lol:

Swearing's nothing, they're just words used to humour a situation. Eitherway I gave you a valid point and you didn't take it on board. So yeah, I've made my decision on you mrbrightside, I think I've seen you slagging off Manchester and shouting at what you think is Manc arrogance for a couple a days enough to consider you a troll. :)

Arsenal are a bigger club historically than both manchester clubs and they definitely have a larger core support. Before the Last Real Championship was won in 1991/92 what was manuh's average attendance? I'm guessing you were just being diplomatic about citeh right? Their core support is nowt special.

Record Division One attendance 83,260 MUFC v Arsenal (at Maine Rd) 17th January 1948

Record FA Cup attendance 84,569 MCFC v Stoke City 3rd March 1934

Record Average attendance pre Premier League 57,790 MUFC 1967

Yet you still read those posts and threads.

Use the ignore button/option.

But you can't bring yourself to do it can you.

Go on then. My posts have gone. Feel better now?

Yes of course I read these posts and threads because this forum is SUPPOSED to be about architecture and what is happening in different cities around the country, and that interests me. I'm not gonna stop posting on here just because of the childish nature of some people on here. I also think using the ignore button is also a bit childish to be honest.

Geggo Juice has now moved on to Citehs core support.(?)

Obviously the original topic and discussion is no expanding into areas of little or no significance.

Come on lads(the sensible forum members amongst us), it's plainly obvious what's unfolding here.

:lol:

Swearing's nothing, they're just words used to humour a situation. Eitherway I gave you a valid point and you didn't take it on board. So yeah, I've made my decision on you mrbrightside, I think I've seen you slagging off Manchester and shouting at what you think is Manc arrogance for a couple a days enough to consider you a troll. :)

Yeah they are words, words that a child would use to resolve an argument, you didn't give me any valid points at all. If you don't like to hear the truth about the Manc arrogance then go somewhere else, because a lot of Mancs are naturally arrogant and that is the simple truth.

And once again. Do forum members question the make-up of London, Birmingham, Liverpool, Glasgow etc? Of course they don't. Neither do we.(Mancs)

We accept those cities as they are. Not a problem. Not an issue.

The only people that question Manchester's make-up are those forum members who have an agenda and a vested interest in(fill in as appropriate) Manchester.

Unfortunately the ragtag gang made up of 'certain' Scousers, Lioners, Brummies and Sheffielders-via London, are hell bent on carrying on their campaign of attrition.

The question has to be, what purpose does it serve and why?

Or maybe, just maybe, the reason why people pipe up and point out that its incorrect to assertt that Bolton is in manchester is because its not. If you want to assume that questioning such blatent lies is because people hate manchester is up to you. Perhaps people just hate lies and massive bullshitters who have flooded 500 pages of this thread with delusional lies then cry that people are just ganging up on manchester and are just jelous for merely questioning those lies. You say such people who question these lies clearly arnt at ease with their own city. Has it occurred to you that the people which spend 500 pages desperately trying to tell everyone how amazing manchester s and how it engulfs all of lancashire are the ones who are not as ease with themselves. You don't see anyone from other cities continually bleating in such a cringeworthy way.

Not a day goes by on the city talk section without someone trying to convince everyone about how amazing manchester is. Great places don't need to have everyone telling others they're great. Be confidential about the city you live in.

Yes of course I read these posts and threads because this forum is SUPPOSED to be about architecture and what is happening in different cities around the country, and that interests me. I'm not gonna stop posting on here just because of the childish nature of some people on here. I also think using the ignore button is also a bit childish to be honest.

Childish? You said it.

No seriously. If the whole Manc debate, regardless of which view you take, is causing you......., please use the ignore option. It's there for a purpose.

Can you still see this? If so you haven't used the ignore option yet.

Honestly, you will feel much better in the long run. Trust me. I don't lie.

Or maybe, just maybe, the reason why people pipe up and point out that its incorrect to assertt that Bolton is in manchester is because its not. If you want to assume that questioning such blatent lies is because people hate manchester is up to you. Perhaps people just hate lies and massive bullshitters who have flooded 500 pages of this thread with delusional lies then cry that people are just ganging up on manchester and are just jelous for merely questioning those lies. You say school people who question these lies clearly arnt at ease with their own city. Has it occurred to you that the people which spend 500 pages desperately trying to tell everyone how amazing manchester s and how it engulfsall of manchester are the ones who are not as ease with themselves. You don't see anyone from other cities continually bleating in such a cringeworthy way.

Well said, I never though I'd agree with you on something.:nuts:

Yeah they are words, words that a child would use to resolve an argument, you didn't give me any valid points at all. If you don't like to hear the truth about the Manc arrogance then go somewhere else, because a lot of Mancs are naturally arrogant and that is the simple truth.

Nah they're not a handful are = valid point = you chatting shit.

Childish? You said it.

No seriously. If the whole Manc debate, regardless of which view you take, is causing you......., please use the ignore option. It's there for a purpose.

Can you still see this? If so you haven't used the ignore option yet.

Honestly, you will feel much better in the long run. Trust me. I don't lie.

Why should I press the ignore button, I like to give people a chance, sometimes they might talk a lot of delusional bullshit, but sometimes they might come out with something good. The simple fact is that I shouldn't be even having to consider pressing the ignore button if people on here didn't talk such nonsense.

Nah they're not a handful are = valid point = you chatting shit.

Need I say more with a comment like that.:bash:

Hey Kids, welcome to free speech. Ignore, my arse.

And so we have it. Manchester is claiming half of Lancashire

Hmm, 1972 was it? 40 years ago the boundaries changed. Why was that!?

Listen to youselves, you weird country bumpkin 19c throwbacks.

Fantastic to see you screaming death, ignore and plague on anyone who dares to tell it as every single business leader, politician, overseas investor, cartography, geography student and sane person can see.

I'll just ignore the towers, the shops, the offices, the people, the mass transit system, the motorways, the roads, the docks, the media the University.

UK leading.

All Manchester as 450,000 or 2.6m

Which is it chaps. Your city is getting it's pants taken down by our poxy 450,000 or we are 2.6m.

Time to make your mind up.

You cannot have it both ways. We shit all over you as 450,000 ? Your call!

Or maybe, just maybe, the reason why people pipe up and point out that its incorrect to assertt that Bolton is in manchester is because its not. If you want to assume that questioning such blatent lies is because people hate manchester is up to you. Perhaps people just hate lies and massive bullshitters who have flooded 500 pages of this thread with delusional lies then cry that people are just ganging up on manchester and are just jelous for merely questioning those lies. You say school people who question these lies clearly arnt at ease with their own city. Has it occurred to you that the people which spend 500 pages desperately trying to tell everyone how amazing manchester s and how it engulfsall of manchester are the ones who are not as ease with themselves. You don't see anyone from other cities continually bleating in such a cringeworthy way.

Sorry Wiggs, I stopped at Bolton.(I didn't really)

So what is and what isn't London, Birmingham, Liverpool, Glasgow, Leeds, etc? I don't know. TBH I don't care. I take those cities as they are. I've have no need to rip them apart and to disect them.

Even though all those cities are made up of different areas and boroughs, to me they are all one inter-connected(via whatever means) urban sprawl.

To me a city is not limited to artificial or political boundries. If some people on here think that, then so be it. But I don't.

To me a city is not limited to artificial or political boundries. If some people on her think that, then so be it. But I don't.

Planet Sane. 2011.

People on here? Either children or weird "ey, buy gum" gurning nut jobs?

Need I say more with a comment like that.:bash:

You could admit that you're just chatting shit and trolling? :)

Why should I press the ignore button, I like to give people a chance, sometimes they might talk a lot of delusional bullshit, but sometimes they might come out with something good. The simple fact is that I shouldn't be even having to consider pressing the ignore button if people on here didn't talk such nonsense.

So then engage in debate instead of throwing your toys out of your pram and being sick over your Manchester bib.

So then engage instead of throwing your toys out of your pram and being sick over your Manchester bib.

throwing my toys out of your pram!that's bit a rich coming from a Manc and especially you.

throwing my toys out of your pram!that's rich coming from Manc and especially you.

Time for a feed.

Mouth to nipple and suck.

Rub, slap, burp.

That's better.

Off to sleep you go.

Time for a brew and two shortbread biscuits.

"I'm from Leeds by eck"

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3302/5838764647_f818063d3f.jpg

Not bad for 450,00 people. Less than Bradford!

Flippin eck! Imagine we had 2.6million!

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2394/5820880740_65e1853383.jpg

Time for a feed.

Mouth to nipple and suck.

Rub, slap, burp.

That's better.

Off to sleep you go.

Time for a brew and two shortbread biscuits.

Typical Manc response, can't take the fight, so resorts to insults.:ohno:

Manchester- sorry Bradford
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2466/5838774401_8bce4bb075.jpg

Nah, we are not Stockport, Ashton, Bolton, Rochdale, Wigan, Bury, Alty.

Here is what we would look like if we were.


FFS, open you freakin eyes!

Ignorance is bliss.

Do Londoners own Manchester Airport Group?
Do Loiners?

Do the lads from Bolton- YES FFS not part of Manchester? They own part of it!

Duh!

They own part of East Midlands Airport as well. And Bournemouth and Humberside on closer inspection.

Cripes, who prodded Fly?

So, we are 450,000 or 2.6m?

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5198/5839343010_27f3ff261d.jpg

bang goes the theory, since Manchester sure looks bigger than that to me.

Do, please, try to explain this strange collection of buildings in a mid ranked UK town?

Cripes, who prodded Fly?

I have a spare moment to post some muses.

Go for it Fly, when you get going it's like a tsunami. Unstoppable.

Manchester is only 450,000 people is like this stuff:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3456/5838800877_a55e1f017e.jpg

You need a bloomin flame thrower to rid yourself of the dreaded Japanese Wiggles 19c Ey By Gum Weed.

http://www.manchestercrimestopguards.co.uk/images/greater-london-map.gif

Maybe this will help Fly ;)

Leeds has a Shopping Future.

Meanwhile:
Manchester Opens 1st Phase of BBC move
Manchester Opens 1st Phase of Metrolink Big Bang
Manchester Announces huge new container barge dock on Ship Canal (planning approved)
Manchester Airport confirms more destinations to the UK's most linked airport.


Oh shit look:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/jun/16/retail-sales-consumer-slump

Retail sales dived by twice the expected rate in May as consumers cut their spending on clothes and other non-food items
Bang goes Leeds' future shopping heaven plan!

http://www.manchestercrimestopguards.co.uk/images/greater-london-map.gif

Maybe this will help Fly ;)

Yeaaaaay!

That's the dooby. There you go, what a place, no artificial boundaries there then! Not your Brum circle, Leeds circle, Glasgow circle...Liverpool Crescent (cus of Mersey).

Only Manchester is this weird construct. No geographic reason at all. It is a flat plain. Cuts across two river valleys.

It is made up tosh.

Leeds has a Shopping Future.

Meanwhile:
Manchester Opens 1st Phase of BBC move
Manchester Opens 1st Phase of Metrolink Big Bang
Manchester Announces huge new container barge dock on Ship Canal (planning approved)
Manchester Airport confirms more destinations to the UK's most linked airport.


Oh shit look:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2011/jun/16/retail-sales-consumer-slump


Bang goes Leeds' future shopping heaven plan!



Clam down sir :lol:
i hope you realise bad times come and go ;)

M60

"Manchester Outer Ring Road"
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5111/5839390856_7f23c2f1d8.jpg


Yet, it essentially is in Oldham, Trafford, Salford, Stockport etc more than it is in Manchester.

Whose right , people on here, the UK Government , me (!) ?

Pah!

Here is Tameside telling you they own Manchester's Ring Road!
http://www.tameside.gov.uk/m60/map

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2755/5838848921_753a813a4d.jpg

But, but, but...this cannot be. Manchester is not these places. It is separate.

Arf!!

Peep, Peep!

Ashton? What Ashton getting the Metrolink line!?

A line joining Altrincham, Eccles, Rochdale, Oldham, Bury to the central mass that is Manchester......

you get the picture.

Looooooooooooooooooosers.

Record Division One attendance 83,260 MUFC v Arsenal (at Maine Rd) 17th January 1948

Record FA Cup attendance 84,569 MCFC v Stoke City 3rd March 1934

Record Average attendance pre Premier League 57,790 MUFC 1967

One attendance doesn't prove anything. We managed to get a few 50k attendances in the 50s!

Arsenal may have been a bigger club in the 1930s but they're nowhere near the size of Man Utd, not as big as Liverpool, but I'd say they're comfortably third.

Although I'm from Birkenhead, also known as the One Eyed City, I can assure you I am indeed in possession of two eyes. However, not being familiar with this particular character's antics, and the similar posting style of half a dozen or so of his cohort, it is understandable that some people may take him seriously!




no, it's amusing and embarrassing that anyone thought it was a serious post, then like a reflex to jump to that person's defense............lol

So, we are 450,000 or 2.6m?

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5198/5839343010_27f3ff261d.jpg

bang goes the theory, since Manchester sure looks bigger than that to me.

Do, please, try to explain this strange collection of buildings in a mid ranked UK town?

Neither, quite clearly.

You alone give the manc forumers a bad name.

http://www.manchestercrimestopguards.co.uk/images/greater-london-map.gif

Maybe this will help Fly ;)

I could do the same with London(the city of), Birmingham, Liverpool, Glasgow, etc.

Some forum members still aren't getting it. Especially those from Leeds. Coincidence or just plain..........

It's clear to everyone that Manchester proper isn't just 'The city of Manchester' but encompasses a much larger urban zone, but I think the majority of people apart from pillocks like TheFly would disagree with GM being one city, because it perfectly obviously isn't and the comparisons to Greater London are facile, disingenous and moronic as the relationship is nowhere near the same.

Hey Kids, welcome to free speech. Ignore, my arse.

And so we have it.

Hmm, 1972 was it? 40 years ago the boundaries changed. Why was that!?

Listen to youselves, you weird country bumpkin 19c throwbacks.

Fantastic to see you screaming death, ignore and plague on anyone who dares to tell it as every single business leader, politician, overseas investor, cartography, geography student and sane person can see.

I'll just ignore the towers, the shops, the offices, the people, the mass transit system, the motorways, the roads, the docks, the media the University.

UK leading.

All Manchester as 450,000 or 2.6m

Which is it chaps. Your city is getting it's pants taken down by our poxy 450,000 or we are 2.6m.

Time to make your mind up.

You cannot have it both ways. We shit all over you as 450,000 ? Your call!

Wahey - I love a poster with stats. Do you have you a bar chart or similiar that shows the Whitehall handouts to GM compared to the handouts delivered to Leeds or Sheffield from the same period?

manchester is nothing without GM and both would simply be average without Whitehall. manchester loves GM as an incentive when it's bending over and showing its arse to the money givers down south but when it gets the coin and builds its elephant its all manchester, forget GM, after all they love to be classed as mancunian according to the deluded, forget whitehall.
So Post the pleading in the capital folks and the deal is done then the Fly arrogance takes over and its all about manchester city. Where's my swatter?

Hey Kids, welcome to free speech. Ignore, my arse.

And so we have it.

Hmm, 1972 was it? 40 years ago the boundaries changed. Why was that!?

Listen to youselves, you weird country bumpkin 19c throwbacks.

Fantastic to see you screaming death, ignore and plague on anyone who dares to tell it as every single business leader, politician, overseas investor, cartography, geography student and sane person can see.

I'll just ignore the towers, the shops, the offices, the people, the mass transit system, the motorways, the roads, the docks, the media the University.

UK leading.

All Manchester as 450,000 or 2.6m

Which is it chaps. Your city is getting it's pants taken down by our poxy 450,000 or we are 2.6m.

Time to make your mind up.

You cannot have it both ways. We shit all over you as 450,000 ? Your call!

Another self-deceiving founder member of the Flat Earth Society. White is black, black is white and Manchester is at least 6 times bigger/better/more important than any other English provincial city.

If there's a psychiatrist out there there's a fortune to be made from these head cases. Treatment could take years. :nuts:

Sorry Wiggs, I stopped at Bolton.(I didn't really)

So what is and what isn't London, Birmingham, Liverpool, Glasgow, Leeds, etc? I don't know. TBH I don't care. I take those cities as they are. I've have no need to rip them apart and to disect them.

Even though all those cities are made up of different areas and boroughs, to me they are all one inter-connected(via whatever means) urban sprawl.

To me a city is not limited to artificial or political boundries. If some people on here think that, then so be it. But I don't.

Well that's ridiculous, or more to the point in this case convenient for your own situation, that's how you want it to be when it blatantly isn't. It suits the manchester predicament and your comfortable with that perception only because it agrees with the manchester myth.

You can't change the goalposts when it comes to geographical boundaries and the identity of a people.

http://www.manchestercrimestopguards.co.uk/images/greater-london-map.gif

Maybe this will help Fly ;)

I didn't realise how tiny manchester actually was.

I could do the same with London(the city of), Birmingham, Liverpool, Glasgow, etc.

Some forum members still aren't getting it. Especially those from Leeds. Coincidence or just plain..........

Well no you couldn't. It's only a few pages back that manchester was unique and different to everywhere else. What's changed?

And they're off again. No not Royal Ascot.

And what difference is there between Manchester, Birmingham, Glasgow, Liverpool and a host of other British cities in their makeup, their boroughs, their boundries, and their population?

Non if the truth be told.

Yet you still get certain forum members singling out Manchester. Trying their damndest to make an example of the city once more.

Thankfully I'm at ease with (Gtr) Manchester. With it's make up, with it's boroughs, with it's boundries, with it's population, and with it's urban sprawl.

I'm also at ease with the fact that it's a 'single city', just like all those other cities I've mentioned. :)

Well no you couldn't. It's only a few pages back that manchester was unique and different to everywhere else. What's changed?

Not you Greggo

Then again you did divert to Citeh and...... as few pages back.

I'm in the same camp who thought house prices were and are still too high.

That cannot run a budget defecit on balance of trade.

That we need to make things.

oh well. you're right!

Not you Greggo

Then again you did divert to Citeh and...... as few pages back.

That was in direct response to a claim from a GM poster, it was he who ventured off track. citeh the biggest club in England? Not even a hardcore citeh fan would let that one go. You should know better.

And they're off again. No not Royal Ascot.

And what difference is there between Manchester, Birmingham, Glasgow, Liverpool and a host of other British cities in their makeup, their boroughs, their boundries, and their population?

Non if the truth be told.

Yet you still get certain forum members singling out Manchester. Trying their damndest to make an example of the city once more.

Thankfully I'm at ease with (Gtr) Manchester. With it's make up, with it's boroughs, with it's boundries, with it's population, and with it's urban sprawl.

I'm also at ease with the fact that it's a 'single city', just like all those other cities I've mentioned. :)

Well done you've finally acknowledged GM....

....but wait, under that! Oh no you didn't.... yes, yes you did, you called GM a single city.

Oxymoron?, Seriously mistaken? Deluded? ...take your pick :lol:

That was in direct response to a claim from a GM poster, it was he who ventured off track. citeh the biggest club in England? Not even a hardcore citeh fan would let that one go. You should know better.

The fact you 'had' to question that claim speaks volumes. (no more trench warfare please)

Furthermore.(don't worry Greggo, it's not aimed at you solely, just in general)

And what difference is there between Manchester, Birmingham, Glasgow, Liverpool and a host of other British cities in their makeup, their boroughs, their boundries, and their population?

Non if the truth be told.

Yet you still get certain forum members singling out Manchester, trying their damndest to make an example of the city once more.

Thankfully I'm at ease with (Gtr) Manchester. With it's make up, with it's boroughs, with it's boundries, with it's population, and with it's urban sprawl.

I'm also at ease with the fact that it's a 'single city', just like all those other cities I've mentioned. :)

The fact you 'had' to question that claim speaks volumes. (no more trench warfare please)

Furthermore.(don't worry Greggo, it's not aimed at you solely, just in general)


My apologies because now you have completely lost me.

Greggo doesn't understand.

'(Gtr) Manchester'.

It's not for my benefit Greggo.

Obviously it confused you.

That's correct, Greggo doesn't understand.(no laughing smilie needed)

Thankfully I'm at ease with (Gtr) Manchester. With it's make up, with it's boroughs, with it's boundries, with it's population, and with it's urban sprawl.

I'm also at ease with the fact that it's a 'single city', just like all those other cities I've mentioned. :)

I understand what you wrote I understand the satement contradicts itself and I understand that is what you believe. Anything else after that what you have wrote doesn't make sense.

After reading it again it's probably some absurd attempt to divert attention away from you making a twat of yourself. Like some obscure GM Tippex - by the way it doesn't work.

Yet here we are with a £3bn Metrolink expansion project, 1st part of which is opening in a few days....wierd this conurbation.

Poor chaps, they cannot grasp the concept of Manchester, the power and the glory, forever and ever, Ahmen.

This is the way I see it,
London the capital, crammed with arguably the most ignorant people on the planet (cockneys)
Liverpool, living in the past, whether its music,football or industry. The future is dull.
Birmingham is a awfully bland place which is as uncharacterized as Bradford.
Leeds is erm, an atrocious excuse for a city. Im sure you all know.
Glasgow is the largest eyesore in the northern hemisphere.
Sheffield is most famous for the crucible, that says it all.
And finally Manchester, home of the biggest and the richest football clubs, home to the renowned Oasis, who at their peak were as good the beatles. Coronation street the worlds famous soap opera. Worldwide clubs such as Hacienda and sankeys. This wonderful city also, debatably features some of the highest quality architecture in the country and is native to yours truly. The list goes on and on.....

Cockneys moved out of London like 15-20 years ago. Most of them went to Essex, Surrey and Kent. That's where you'll find most old Cockneys. Those who replaced them in London have developed the new so-called Jafaican accent - a mix of Cockney, Bangladeshi and West Indian

Are we bashing counties now?
Also who ever said that Arsenal is bigger than both Manchester clubs unfortunately needs help (psychiatric)

Yet here we are with a £3bn Metrolink expansion project, 1st part of which is opening in a few days....wierd this conurbation.

Poor chaps, they cannot grasp the concept of Manchester, the power and the glory, forever and ever, Ahmen.

:lol:

Now I know he is a WUM.

Say greater manchester, go on I dare you and then we'll talk about 'grasping the concept'.

I'm.........

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e1/Static_jump.jpg/300px-Static_jump.jpg

out of this discussion chaps.

There's no need to say anymore.

And what difference is there between Manchester, Birmingham, Glasgow, Liverpool and a host of other British cities in their makeup, their boroughs, their boundries, and their population?

Non if the truth be told.

Yet you still get certain forum members singling out Manchester, trying their damndest to make an example of the city once more.

Thankfully I'm at ease with (Gtr) Manchester. With it's make up, with it's boroughs, with it's boundries, with it's population, and with it's urban sprawl.

I'm also at ease with the fact that it's a 'single city', just like all those other cities I've mentioned. :)

Don't worry though, I'll be back if neccessary.(other topics)

Time for a feed.

Mouth to nipple and suck.

Rub, slap, burp.

That's better.

Off to sleep you go.

Time for a brew and two shortbread biscuits.



JRB's got his moobs out!

There's no need to say anymore.

Don't worry though, I'll be back if neccessary.(other topics)

You should have bailed out a few pages back, when you finally declared what it took to be called a mancunian. None of it applied to the folk of GM.

no, it's amusing and embarrassing that anyone thought it was a serious post, then like a reflex to jump to that person's defense............lol


more embarrassing when someone cracks a rubbish joke, nobody laughs and hardly anyone gets it.

Manchester Airport confirms more destinations to the UK's most linked airport.Would that be LHR? However, of all the major UK airports, Manchester has the least interline traffic of any. In fact, Manchester airport has almost no connecting passenger traffic. Strange claim Fly?:?

more embarrassing when someone cracks a rubbish joke, nobody laughs and hardly anyone gets it.




it's not, I know you'll argue black is white or night is day till the end of time, so I'll leave it here, but one post wasn't embarrassing and one post was really quite embarrassing I know which way round I think they were, I'm sure you'll come in for the last word, I can't be bothered to continue though

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-13782645

why, why am I doing this? pointless exercise arguing with a brick wall, but the equivalent in that situation would be someone coming in saying "why would he be eating pizza?"......"surely a well respected figure wouldn't be eating pizza and if he did he would have a vegetarian one" etc. someone not realising the thing is a joke

you've got to be admired for missing the point, but relentlessly sticking to your position


and that is my last contribution on the matter or may god let me be born a scouser in the next life

why, why am I doing this?



Is it because you're a Grade A bellend, with a history of bellendary toward Liverpudlian forumers? Probably. I did notice that of the five people who replied to the original post you only quoted Tomo's.

Yet here we are with a £3bn Metrolink expansion project, 1st part of which is opening in a few days....wierd this conurbation.

Poor chaps, they cannot grasp the concept of Manchester, the power and the glory, forever and ever, Ahmen.


More like "the power of the gravy".

What's the breakdown of the £3bn expansion anyway? Line by line?

Is it because you're a Grade A bellend, with a history of bellendary toward Liverpudlian forumers? Probably. I did notice that of the five people who replied to the original post you only quoted Tomo's.



one person (tomo90) and possibly gregg took the post seriously, tomo90's was the more embarrassing, which is beside the point now really

no need for such insults, it just shows your true colours...an unpleasant person, I really am going to stop conversing with you now and report your post

one person (tomo90) and possibly gregg took the post seriously, tomo90's was the more embarrassing, which is beside the point now really


really?

1.
I would say that Sheffield is more famous for it's steel production.....

2.
Don't talk wet.

3.
Oasis, dear god. A decent first ....

4.
Oh God, not another Manc troll? Goes on ignore.

5.
Seriously?


only Tomo got the "omg how embarrasing" drama queen treatment.

Yet here we are with a £3bn Metrolink expansion project, 1st part of which is opening in a few days....wierd this conurbation.

Poor chaps, they cannot grasp the concept of Manchester, the power and the glory, forever and ever, Ahmen.

Make your minds up.

According to Kurt it's a £1.5bn investment. Financed locally with the money coming from the pockets of the beneficiaries and not from the ever suffering UK taxpayer. He reckons council tax will contribute a significant amount, despite it being frozen.

More spin from fantasy land. Wake up! New Labour is dead and buried and there's no money left, either real or of the Monopoly variety.

I just thought I'd check as wiki said it was £1.2bn.

Wiki more accurate than Fly, who would have believed that?

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and see what he says.

fair enough maybe I missed the others, tomo90's stuck out for me as he was the only one to pick the list apart point by point, therefore to me the most embarrassing, if not the only one (don't think boards or brightside really were taking it seriously)

you've managed to personally insult me again in this little argument like you've done a few times before, so I suppose you've gained something, hopefully a few other people will regard you as poorly as I do now after seeing your conduct........one way you can beat me is by arguing the same point forever on here so even though I've said it before, I won't be continuing this discussion with you......starting from....now

:yes: They're named after members of the Stanley family, Earls of Derby, as is a 'local derby'. According to the interweb, that was first used in print in 1914 to describe a match between Liverpool & Everton.CNN tells us that the Bruins lifted Lord Stanley's cup in the city that has a world famous park named for him. I guess the Canadian city has a Stanley Park too. Yeah Bruins!!!!

I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and see what he says.

Airport Phase
Stockport Phase
Trafford Centre Line

So, £3bn is the estimate

;)

Better than Wiki

Would that be LHR? However, of all the major UK airports, Manchester has the least interline traffic of any. In fact, Manchester airport has almost no connecting passenger traffic. Strange claim Fly?:?

It's not often you are right and this is no exception.

More destinations than any UK airport.

Glasgow's £2bn M74 extension is nearing completion, too ;)

Airport Phase
Stockport Phase
Trafford Centre Line

So, £3bn is the estimate

;)

Better than Wiki

So is the finance in place for £3bn. Check with Kurt before answering because you don't know.

fair enough maybe I missed the others, tomo90's stuck out for me as he was the only one to pick the list apart point by point, therefore to me the most embarrassing, if not the only one (don't think boards or brightside really were taking it seriously)

you've managed to personally insult me again in this little argument like you've done a few times before, so I suppose you've gained something, hopefully a few other people will regard you as poorly as I do now after seeing your conduct........one way you can beat me is by arguing the same point forever on here so even though I've said it before, I won't be continuing this discussion with you......starting from....now




:dunno: Who's going to care? I mean, you only ever seem to pop up here to post snide comments about other forumers anyway.

It's not often you are right and this is no exception.

More destinations than any UK airport.

Prove it.

Prove it.
Best I can see is this from 2007; http://www.airport-parking-discounts.co.uk/MAN-most-destinations.htm hardly the most authoritative source, admittedly.

I think it has more destinations than Heathrow thereby in fly's mind = more than anywhere else.

Yet here we are with a £3bn Metrolink expansion project, 1st part of which is opening in a few days....wierd this conurbation.

Poor chaps, they cannot grasp the concept of Manchester, the power and the glory, forever and ever, Ahmen.

Here here! To the power of government funding..

BTW, which city is most likely to come out of the down-turn on top?

Manchester will try.....
http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/ab351/Jbelle221/tumblr_lhm6j0y3hj1qah5c8.gif
and try....
http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/ab351/Jbelle221/tumblr_lhm6j0y3hj1qah5c8.gif
and try....
http://i879.photobucket.com/albums/ab351/Jbelle221/tumblr_lhm6j0y3hj1qah5c8.gif

Metrolink was paid for by the people of GM, not government, jerk.

Now, why would that be? If GM consisted of people who don't live in Manchester and don't care about Manchester and don't want to be connected to Manchester in any way?

At the end of the day, why do Loiners/whoever outside GM, care about which towns are in Manchester? It's nothing to do with them and it shouldn't bother them. All i'd suggest is for all the troll-Loiners to come across to Manchester and see just how much better than Leeds it is, and how Leeds isn't "catching up" to Manchester at all, regardless of all the Leeds propoganda going on on the forums over there.

Metrolink was paid for by the people of GM, not government, jerk.

Now, why would that be? If GM consisted of people who don't live in Manchester and don't care about Manchester and don't want to be connected to Manchester in any way?

At the end of the day, why do Loiners/whoever outside GM, care about which towns are in Manchester? It's nothing to do with them and it shouldn't bother them. All i'd suggest is for all the troll-Loiners to come across to Manchester and see just how much better than Leeds it is, and how Leeds isn't "catching up" to Manchester at all, regardless of all the Leeds propoganda going on on the forums over there.



I think you need to get out more, Its you whats obviously never been :lol:

Okay then, and how do you come to this conclusion?

The fact that I've acknowledged that to every huge mega-project, be it MediaCity, Sportcity, NOMA or Metrolink, that Manchester has produced, Leeds has produced one shopping centre?

Comparable with Manchester? Give me a break :lol:

I live in Salford, by the way. And I go to town (Manchester) every weekend and whenever I can, really. Is that against the law of the Leeds United Constabulary because I "don't live in Manchester"?

Metrolink was paid for by the people of GM, not government, jerk.

Now, why would that be? If GM consisted of people who don't live in Manchester and don't care about Manchester and don't want to be connected to Manchester in any way?

At the end of the day, why do Loiners/whoever outside GM, care about which towns are in Manchester? It's nothing to do with them and it shouldn't bother them. All i'd suggest is for all the troll-Loiners to come across to Manchester and see just how much better than Leeds it is, and how Leeds isn't "catching up" to Manchester at all, regardless of all the Leeds propaganda going on on the forums over there.

It was in response to the second comment, a somewhat patriotic post..

I personally don't care for the whole 'GM'. It doesn't interest me and shouldn't interest me. As far as I'm concerned the surrounding towns and suburbs collectively form one area known as 'GM', yes some places on the outskirts may not be linked in the way Salfords is to the city of Manchester.

Manchester doesn't need to compete with Leeds, Manchester's 'success' is attributed to the fact that is surrounded by closely knit towns that form a much larger population. Leeds doesn't, and will never has this.

GM has a population of 2.6 Million
While Leeds has a population of 770,000

Yet Leeds manages to pull in £1.3 Billion of private investment in just retail, over 2M sq ft.
Another 2.6 M Sq ft of offices completed in the next five years in 'Europe's largest office park' right in the heart of Leeds centre.
The arena
Multiple new offices
Railway extension and a new refurbishment of the entire station itself

In less than four years, Leeds will be second (or third) in retail after London, have Europe's flagship arena etc etc etc.

Leeds has lower unemployment, more working in the private sector, if you live in Leeds you are paid more and their is less crime, less on benefits and the most likely city to come out of the economic downturn on top. All of this is in percentage terms which actually -in this case- makes the population irrelevant.

Anyway... not bad for a city with less than 1/3 of the population. Oh... and we have more corporate law firms.... but you already knew that.

Thankyou 10123, I respect that post. Recently many Leeds forumers have given me a bitter view of Loiners, but I appreciate that post. Leeds really does do well for its' size, and it certainly plays a major hub for the East of England (Yorkshire, Hull, parts of Lincolnshire & Nottinghamshire). This is something that Manchester will never have to the extent that Leeds does, simply because we're surrounded by huge competitors like Liverpool and Birmingham (and Leeds, actually).

Both cities have their different attributes, as you say, I just really do hate it when Loiners like Gregg come on here, basically just trolling. What's it to do with him what Boltoners (or whatever the hell they're called anyway) regard themselves as "Manchester" or not? Usually, the young workforce who spend half their lives in Manchester will regard themselves as more Mancunian as people who work in Bolton & live in Bolton, but this can be expected from anywhere.

It's not often you are right and this is no exception.

More destinations than any UK airport.Oh yeah, I get it now. Just like MUFC allegedly founded in 1878 but actually founded 1902 by people who took Newton Heath FC (founded 1878) into bankruptcy or, the Halle Orchestra, the UK's oldest, founded by a pianist who had retired, earlier, from the Liverpool Philharmonic Society. I get it, it was technically not an orchestra just a society who had an orchestra. yeah, I get it now. :ohno::ohno::ohno:

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/06/16/article-2004130-0C9634F300000578-574_964x1028.jpg

Is it still going on or has the subject matter changed yet? :lol:

Regarding Metrolink.

Regardless of the cost to the tax payer or not, Metrolink is and will be a success. Not only is it a success, it has been money well spent. Apart from the obvious benefits of faster transport, fewer car, bus and taxi journeys, it has and will free up roads and reduce pollution. Just as importantly it will also create many short term and long term jobs across the city for years to come.

The thing is, the odd forum member(no names) from another city criticizes the cost of Metrolink, but their city has had similar funding and more from different sources, yet has little or nothing to show for it.

As I've stated before. If a similar light rail network was being built in your city comparable to Metrolink, the post count and view count would be through the roof on that thread, and we would never hear the last of it. And rightly so. :cheers:

Oh yeah, I get it now. Just like MUFC allegedly founded in 1878 but actually founded 1902 by people who took Newton Heath FC (founded 1878) into bankruptcy or, the Halle Orchestra, the UK's oldest, founded by a pianist who had retired, earlier, from the Liverpool Philharmonic Society. I get it, it was technically not an orchestra just a society who had an orchestra. yeah, I get it now. :ohno::ohno::ohno:

Sloyne.

Tell us about Peel Holdings.

I've got a compost bin for mine.

I've got a mate from Prestwhich, he says he's from Manchester. I've got two mates from Altricham who both maintain they are absolutely not from Manchester....

CAT AMONGST THE PIGEONS>

I've got a mate from Prestwhich, he says he's from Manchester. I've got two mates from Altricham who both maintain they are absolutely not from Manchester....
You can argue it back and forth. People from other cities on this forum will maintain they have never heard a single person from outside the city boundaries of Manchester describe themselves as being from there, whilst people in said areas pipe up on here saying they have and do. I live and work in Salford and don’t give a second thought to being ‘from Manchester’ and the same goes for many people I’ve known whilst living in the borough of Rochdale (specifically Middleton/Alcrington), Tameside (Denton) and Oldham (Failsworth). On the other hand, I work with a lad from Bolton who absolutely disassociates himself with ‘Gunchester’ as he continues to call it. I suppose in that and your own example there’s the point that Bolton and Altrincham are on the fringe of Greater Manchester, whilst Prestwich and the places I’ve lived are much closer to the city.

I've got a mate from Prestwhich, he says he's from Manchester. I've got two mates from Altricham who both maintain they are absolutely not from Manchester....

CAT AMONGST THE PIGEONS>

Different people have different opinons and there is no right or wrong answer.

Like I have been saying for ever on this forum?

How is that cat amongst the pidgeons?

Do you expect everyone in a city have to have identical views on teh world like Gregg?

Go around Morley near Leeds. Some of them lot think that Morley is in Leeds, others do not.


www.morley.gov.uk

I do wish people would stop imagining that EVERYONE in an area shared identical views on everything.

It is VERY Soviet.

FWIW - I am sure that during the Commonwealth games the organisers did a survey of those attending. They wanted to know where those who attened actually lived and where they said they lived.

From it was a pretty obvious result, the futher away from the centre the fewer people associated with being a Manc.

During the hype that was the Commonwealth games, I remember the MEN (or possibly BBC NW Tonight) that the furthest afield person to consider themselves a Manc was from St Helens.

Nothing wrong with that, just shows that as individuals we have a rich diversity in our histories and the events that led us to form our opinions.

In my view having people with the ability to think for themselves is far more important that forcing some sham sort of identity on people that people feel uncomfortabe with.

For those who really want to get an honest understanding of how the Greater Manchester Transport Fund is being paid for have a read of this...

http://www.transportforgreatermanchestercommittee.gov.uk/download/2714/item_08_greater_manchester_transport_fundpdf

It is all the information available.

If there is anything else you want then FOI are obviously available to you to prove your point (as I did with the Sheffield Supertram when someone in the Sheffield forum was talking out of his arse).

I'm not implying anything, but........

Lifes troubles bring you closer together. :grouphug: http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/politics/s/1424000_manchester-and-salford-councils-consider-merging-nine-more-departments-to-reach-150m-savings-target

There you go. Before somebody else posts it.

He said: “It’s not going to be about merging everything, because both cities are very proud of their own identities.

I'm not implying anything, but........

Lifes troubles bring you closer together. :grouphug: http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/politics/s/1424000_manchester-and-salford-councils-consider-merging-nine-more-departments-to-reach-150m-savings-target

There you go. Before somebody else posts it.

What about next year Mayoral vote for the larger UK cities?

What are you lot going to bitch about when GM gets it's Mayor?

Overseeing the lot, for surely it will!

Brum will not take on board the Black Country. Certain they will vote that down.

Therefore, come 2013 we will be the largest city outside of London by some distance.

Result.

Job done.

Power ahead.

Brum will be like the urban mass on the Rhine, separate but large. Only Manchester will be classed as one urban city.

Going to be tremendous watching the Tykes coming over to Bolton to try to kick-start the separatist movement.

West Bank
Belfast
Berlin

Bolton


Lol

Some people from Colombes or Asniers or St Denis or Aubervilliers will say they they are from Paris.

They aren't but at the same time they are.

Others will just say they are from Colombes or Asniers or St Denis or Aubervilliers.

That's how cities work.

Thankyou 10123, I respect that post. Recently many Leeds forumers have given me a bitter view of Loiners, but I appreciate that post. Leeds really does do well for its' size, and it certainly plays a major hub for the East of England (Yorkshire, Hull, parts of Lincolnshire & Nottinghamshire). This is something that Manchester will never have to the extent that Leeds does, simply because we're surrounded by huge competitors like Liverpool and Birmingham (and Leeds, actually).

Both cities have their different attributes, as you say, I just really do hate it when Loiners like Gregg come on here, basically just trolling. What's it to do with him what Boltoners (or whatever the hell they're called anyway) regard themselves as "Manchester" or not? Usually, the young workforce who spend half their lives in Manchester will regard themselves as more Mancunian as people who work in Bolton & live in Bolton, but this can be expected from anywhere.

That's bullshit.

Are you even aware of what a troll is? The mancunian name debate was a valid debate in a thread named My City vs Your City (official bashing thread). Some good and valid points were raised particularly by cheg...if memory serves. If I had gone on the manchester forum and chosen a random topic to start the debate and then gone on to flame people you might have a point. I didn't and you don't.

To get all sanctimonious about it is pretty fucking pathetic and proves to me I have struck a nerve in the insecurities of the GM posters where this issue is concerned.

What's it to do with me? Do I need to remind you what this thread is called again? It is a valid argument concerning 'Your City'.

What's more absurd and a big fucking giveaway is even in that post where you flamed me you still felt the need to go on and justify why the people of Bolton of all places can call themselves mancs.

The lady doth protest too much, methinks

I'm going to the City of London in a few months time......

http://earthlinggb.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/city_of_london_map1.gif

It doesn't look very big. Is there much to see and do? It's not what I was expecting to be honest. Somebody told me the City of London :nuts: was much bigger.

Can anyone help? (Monkey) Thanks.

^ Are you squealing for help jrb? It wouldn't be for the first time. After all it's us London taxpayers who subsidise your Manc economy with handouts. I've had a thought to end your economic dependency with a massive new programme of nuclear power station construction in central Manchester. Soon you'll be useful again... :)

^ Are you squealing for help jrb? It wouldn't be for the first time. After all it's us London taxpayers who subsidise your Manc economy with handouts. I've had a thought to end your economic dependency with a massive new programme of nuclear power station construction in central Manchester. Soon you'll be useful again... :)

Don't be like that Monkey old chap.

I just wanted your invaluable and knowledgeable insight of all things London.

After giving the City of London, or is it the City of London, £10bill towards the 2012 Olympiss Games(see below), it's the least you could do.

PS. Keep the change.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/06/16/article-2004130-0C9634F300000578-574_964x1028.jpg

Great pic that. Brum looks massive.

I just notice the lights, separate, North of Manchester are the M65 towns: Preston-Nelson.

Ergo, Manchester is one mass= GM.

Seems an alien would also know what Manchester is!

So, what that make SSC posters I am not sure? Hobbits?

In addition Liverpool-Manchester is just one urban sprawl of c4-5m.

Great pic that. Brum looks massive.

It is.

The urban area is about 25% larger than that around Manchester and nearly four times the size of the urban lump that is centred on Leeds.

Bradford and Leeds look very distinct on that don't they?

Southwark - with it's own cathederal etc has more claim to having an identity with all the seperate history of that side of the river for hunderds of years relative to London then many of the examples that Gregg comes out with.

You do get the impression he only sees Manchester in his world and cannot see anywhere else as he has big green eyes when it comes to Manchester.

It is.

The urban area is about 25% larger than that around Manchester and nearly four times the size of the urban lump that is centred on Leeds.

Bradford and Leeds look very distinct on that don't they?

They do there is a definite gap between the two. Thankfully (kidding). :)

The North West of England is United, Liverpool, City, Everton, Bolton, Tranmere, etc, etc. :banana:

We are one brothers, according to that picture. Let the light shine on our togetherness.

Stiff neck.
Cup of tea.
Shortbread biscuit.

It is.

The urban area is about 25% larger than that around Manchester and nearly four times the size of the urban lump that is centred on Leeds.

Bradford and Leeds look very distinct on that don't they?

The PUA is, but the Urban Area (which is what you can actually see in these light shots) isn't that much larger than either. It's apparent size is probably more a function of the areas unbroken urbanity than an actual difference in size.

It's true, Manchester and Liverpool almost look like one continuous conurbation :/