That's very good MP. Don't think a laughing Smilie was needed though.

As a vague comparison.

Manchester currently has 2 5* Michelin football clubs, that bring the city much more (worldwide) exposure and money into the city/economy.

Apologies for the cock waving.

"Chips and gravy please." "Can I have a plastic fork as well." "Thanks."

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=656694

^^

It's funny because everyone hates Sloyne.

Why hasn't he been banned yet?

Seriously though, Scousers out there, how sick are you of this titwank representing your city?

How sick are you of the likes of thefly representing yours? Or even you tbh.

In all seriousness, posters on an internet forum don't 'represent' a city, unless you think everybody born in a city is representative of everything about it. In which case you're a fool who deserves to get retarded opinions based of some website about architecture, which is mainly the the domain of weirdos who obsess about stuff nobody normal cares about.

How sick are you of the likes of thefly representing yours? Or even you tbh.

In all seriousness, posters on an internet forum don't 'represent' a city, unless you think everybody born in a city is representative of everything about it. In which case you're a fool who deserves to get retarded opinions based of some website about architecture, which is mainly the the domain of weirdos who obsess about stuff nobody normal cares about.

What is your beef with me exactly?
This is a bashing thread.

Unlike, Sloyne, I do not give false witness? I do not slag off people unless they provide false statements against me.

It appears you lack the decency to distinguish between various postings and their location. Couple with this you have an opinion, which seems to be based on nothing more than hot-air?

In which case you're a fool who deserves to get retarded opinions based of some website about architecture, which is mainly the the domain of weirdos who obsess about stuff nobody normal cares about

Spectacular. You insult every member with gay abandon.

Self awareness central.

You don't so much lie outright, but just come out with the same tedious bollocks every time. Usually patronizing other places and making out as if you're dwelling in some utopia, you can pretty much predict everything you're going to come out with.

You don't so much lie outright, but just come out with the same tedious bollocks every time. Usually patronizing other places and making out as if you're dwelling in some utopia, you can pretty much predict everything you're going to come out with.

Fair enough. I don't mind that sentiment at all!

Are we all not addressing the same theme here though, what with buildings, infrastructure, investment surveys and census data being fairly glacial from a hot news angle.

If I bore you so, I do apologise. I will read your past posts with some vigour for enlightenment as to how to entertain the masses.

And when someone points out that your statements are wrong you take a snit and start name calling. Refute my statements and offer, like I have done, facts to counter my statements. Instead you revert to name calling. Childish indeed.

Its Ok as illtonsko made a stupid crack at me saying I will never see a woman and be forever alone. Cracks at me like that are unfunny as they are not fucking true. See it is so easy to be an ass behind a computer screen.

Its Ok as illtonsko made a stupid crack at me saying I will never see a woman and be forever alone. Cracks at me like that are unfunny as they are not fucking true. See it is so easy to be an ass behind a computer screen.

Oh crap, did that offend you? Skybar banter with no offense meant, I can remove the post if you wish, sorry mate :cheers:

Why can't we all be friends and love each other? (except for aliens from Rigel IV.. now they really pee me off!)

Citeh have finally arrived. We've made the Echo without the story being Liverpool related. http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/amateur-football/2011/07/07/city-go-on-the-defensive-over-barry-100252-29009606/

The Oldham Echo. BOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Great banner today. I bet all those pics were taken by Karl Pilkington. He did go to all but one of those locations and logic would dictate it is his handiwork that appear in the banner.

From left to right; Pic #1 can't buy Mexican jumping beans; #2 a big chin; #4 don't order number two or kung pooh chicken; #5 just a load of rocks and ruble; #6 a better view from the caves; #7 what did he do wrong to have to build this?; #8 if it was here (Manchester) the council would have it shifted; :hahaha:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-14039350

Oops! Maybe this is why some on here say Manchester doesn't benefit from EU support.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-14039350

Oops! Maybe this is why some on here say Manchester doesn't benefit from EU support.

The irony. EU support. Go on East, tell us about EU support. Can of worms.

BTW. Don't ever remember saying Manchester hasn't had EU support. making it up again are we.

Begging for subsidy from London or Brussels has become Manchester's most successful industry: the core of the Mancunian economy.

Begging for subsidy from London or Brussels has become Manchester's most successful industry: the core of the Mancunian economy.

Bite jrb.

In all honesty, it's like huck a duck. It's childs play.

From London's very own Evening Standard, 2008.

And since then estimates put the final/total cost of the London Olympic Games at £10-£12bill. Meaning a massive '£8-£10bill' handout from the British tax payer to London, so it can host the Olympic Games.

The £9.3 billion budget for the London Olympics was already a substantial increase on the £2.4 billion that ministers initially promised as the cost of 2012.

But even that sizeable sum will be stretched to its limit with the prospect that the taxpayer will have to fund the entire cost of the Olympics athletes' village. Lend Lease, the construction company preferred as the developer, has admitted that it is struggling to raise capital for the project.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23496990-comment-overspend-on-olympic-scale.do

Or put it another way.

(Gtr) Manchester got.... the 2002 Commonwealth Games(£120mill) With £750mill going back to the tax payer via the stadium lease agreement. Metrolink Little Bang(£540mill), the BBC relocation North to Salford(£200mill) Erm.... Struggling. Might as well throw in the Lowry Arts Centre(£106mill), IWMN(£29mill), M60 missing link/final section (£220mill), Cost of rebuilding Manchester City Centre after the IRA bomb(£1bill), with much of that coming from Insurance companies. Can't find the exact figures on that. Let's split the difference(£500mill), Super Casino.(£10mill?) Remedeation works. Help! Help! Monkey!

Rounding the figures up. I get roughly £1.750,000,000 dating from 1988 when the Lowry Centre was proposed. That's 23 years ago.(Monkey)

Now, please tell us. Apart from the Olympic Games funding, how much has London received in handouts since 1988 (has your calculator got enough digits?) Exactly.

You're right Monkey. London is the Capital of the UK. The UK Capital of handouts. I think you should thank the tax payers and the rest of Britain for being so generous to London.

I think we can lay this ghost to bed once and for all. Even though Monkey likes to bring it back up every now and again.

Oh, one more thing Monkey. Your comment/quote/my signature has been saved in wordpad.(you don't need to know why) However, I'm at liberty to use it again as and when I please, and if neccessary. That much was made clear.

Until such a time, run along. No doubt you're still scrambling around for Olympic tickets like the vast majority of 'ordinary people'.(tut, tut, Seb)

That's very good MP. Don't think a laughing Smilie was needed though.

As a vague comparison.

Manchester currently has 2 5* Michelin football clubs, that bring the city much more (worldwide) exposure and money into the city/economy.

Apologies for the cock waving.

"Chips and gravy please." "Can I have a plastic fork as well." "Thanks."



Yeah and dont we know it, LOL

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Where on the embarrassment table are you?

Who Posted?

Total Posts: 15,017

User Name Posts

jrb 938
wiggleyleeds 859
yoshef 684
TheFly 664
Langur 514
Wirlie G 460
kids 459
albionfagan 395
LNGCats 386
10123 329
Boards 286
Suburban Knight 286
Leeds Troll 280
Sandblast 272
Leeds No.1 249
Delirium 244
Awayo 240
Erebus555 235
EuxTex 224
grego66 216

WirlieG and LNG cats and metrolink are all the same person right?

Fair point, there's also Metrolink with 114 and WirlieG with 109 so in total Kurt/Wirlie/Metrolink/LNG is (you're in luck jrb) way out in front with 1069 posts!

LNGCats 1069
jrb 938
wiggleyleeds 859
yoshef 684
TheFly 664
Langur 514
kids 461
albionfagan 396
10123 329
Boards 286
Suburban Knight 286
Leeds Troll 280
Sandblast 272
Leeds No.1 249
Delirium 244
Awayo 240
Erebus555 235
EuxTex 224
grego66 216
Tony Sebo 212

Toneh enters the top 20.

I'm quite high, I think my disproportionate amount of Leeds bashing pushed me up the charts.

No doubt LNGcats will be telling us he doesn't care about this topic either :P

Fair point, there's also Metrolink with 114 and WirlieG with 109 so in total Kurt/Wirlie/Metrolink/LNG is (you're in luck jrb) way out in front with 1069 posts!

LNGCats 1069
jrb 938
wiggleyleeds 859
yoshef 684
TheFly 664
Langur 514
kids 461
albionfagan 396
10123 329
Boards 286
Suburban Knight 286
Leeds Troll 280
Sandblast 272
Leeds No.1 249
Delirium 244
Awayo 240
Erebus555 235
EuxTex 224
grego66 216
Tony Sebo 212

Toneh enters the top 20.

:lol:

Couldn't help but notice that EarlyBird is still standing tall in the top 15 :|

Where on the embarrassment table are you?

Who Posted?

Total Posts: 15,017

User Name Posts

jrb 938
wiggleyleeds 859
yoshef 684
TheFly 664
Langur 514
Wirlie G 460
kids 459
albionfagan 395
LNGCats 386
10123 329
Boards 286
Suburban Knight 286
Leeds Troll 280
Sandblast 272
Leeds No.1 249
Delirium 244
Awayo 240
Erebus555 235
EuxTex 224
grego66 216

Only Kids could have thought of that. :lol: (not laughing at you Kids)

Sorry, I want to stay at the top. :colgate:

Where's my award? :dunno: Can I also make a speech? :bowtie:

"First of all I'd like to thank.....................(Oscar style)

No seriously. The majority of my posts are, how can I put it, informative, educational, and perhaps, dispelling a few myths some people have made up about (Gtr) Manchester over the years. As for actual bashing posts, there are very few TBH.(I stand corrected) Also, it's taken my 8 years to get to that figure. A pretty low average if you compare.

As for the rest of my SSC career.(Speech coming to an end) Obviously I'd like to reach 20K posts before going back to work. Reaching 1k posts on the Bashing thread would also be nice. But most of all, I'd like to see the Manchester and Liverpool forum members meet up and get together for a.........:grouphug:

Question.

Does Tony Sebo still post on any part of SSC under a different user name? Or has he never returned?

I think not.

I think not.

Shame.

Is that the post count for this specific thread?
How did you find that?

Trolley trinity FTW!

I need to post less, and become seemingly cooler? :cool:

286 posts? That's ice-cold cool, my friend. Anyway, as jrb, metrolink and fly continue to post endlessly, your percentage of posts made falls exponentially.

286 posts? That's ice-cold cool, my friend. Anyway, as jrb, metrolink and fly continue to post endlessly, your percentage of posts made falls exponentially.

Yoshef
Wiggley

Substantially more banality than me so far!

Boards, you are very high-up for representing a City that no one seems to bash. Is that indifference to Glasgow or in the context of the posting in here because it cannot compete with the big southern boys?*

*Hoping Boards bites and I slip down the list.

Surprised Ill Tonkso isn't on the list - he always seems to be trying to rep Portsmouth up there with the biggies. Guess it's spread across all the City Talk threads though...

286 posts? That's ice-cold cool, my friend. Anyway, as jrb, metrolink and fly continue to post endlessly, your percentage of posts made falls exponentially.

Endlessly?

Does that also apply to your posts on the office/economic and hotel threads Boards?

Once again you do yourself no favours with silly little snipes at yours truly.

Come on Boards, man up for once, instead of ducking in and out of the shadows. How many more chances do I give you? Very disappointing. :ohno:

Either that or lay off the Iron brew and Mars bars. Sugar makes people hyperactive.

Surprised Ill Tonkso isn't on the list - he always seems to be trying to rep Portsmouth up there with the biggies. Guess it's spread across all the City Talk threads though...

The City, no. The Skyline, yes.

Yoshef
Wiggley

Substantially more banality than me so far!

Boards, you are very high-up for representing a City that no one seems to bash. Is that indifference to Glasgow or in the context of the posting in here because it cannot compete with the big southern boys?*

*Hoping Boards bites and I slip down the list.

Exactly.

I do recall Boards spitting his dummy out on a few occasions when Glasgow was mentioned in this thread.

Straight in like a rat down a sewer pipe. (not calling you a rat Boards)

Course I do, it's city bashing, I like to get stuck in, too. You seem bothered now though. Now arguing over how much arguing people have done. Or needing to defend yourself. No-one gives a shit, it's all good :hug:

Endlessly?

Does that also apply to your posts on the office/economic and hotel threads Boards?

Once again you do yourself no favours with silly little snipes at yours truly.

Come on Boards, man up for once, instead of ducking in and out of the shadows. How many more chances do I give you? Very disappointing. :ohno:

Either that or lay off the Iron brew and Mars bars. Sugar makes people hyperactive.

Narcissist.

Course I do, it's city bashing, I like to get stuck in, too. You seem bothered though. Now arguing over how much arguing people have done :lol:



Narcissist.

In the general context of having posted 50% more times than me on SSC to-date, I would say Boards is Glasgow's finest drum beater. Although at this time of year, beating drums in Glasgow is about as sensible as baring your bosom in the local mosque.

:lol: That was a good one.

Course I do, it's city bashing, I like to get stuck in, too. You seem bothered though. Now arguing over how much arguing people have done :lol:



Narcissist.

Not bothered in that respect. Bash all you want. I can hold my own when it comes to city bashing.

However. Noticed your subtle digs of late. Don't ever recall doing likewise.

PS.

TBH I preferr a poster to be one or the other. At least you know where you stand. Or until you eventually cotton on.

Is that the post count for this specific thread?
How did you find that?

Magic innit?

Go on the city talk page and click the '15,038' in the right column.

However. Noticed your subtle digs of late. Don't ever recall doing likewise.

You can do no wrong. Narcissist ;)

You can do no wrong. Narcissist ;)

Personal.

According to you I can.

Time out. I must review my daily post count.

Perhaps 20k is the tippiong point?

Fellow posters deserve a break.

A decision will be made shortly.

Straight in like a rat down a sewer pipe.I believe the saying is; "Like a rat down a drain" and is usually used in relation to a positive putt in a round of golf. The opposite saying is; "Like a rat up a spout" and is used, usually, in reference to ones intentions toward an attractive female.

And seeing as this is the "City bashing" thread; A typical misuse (butchering) of a perfectly good saying. Could be due to that god-awful woolly accent.:lol:

I have made a decision.

I will continue.

Boards will have to come to terms with my continual posts, especially in the City bashing thread. :colgate:

*megalomaniac*

Back to topic.

Iron Brew, deep-fried Mars Bars and Tennent's Larger are s***!

Bugger. I should have used 'megalomaniac' :cheers:

Bugger. I should have used 'megalomaniac' :cheers:

No, that is you. :wink2:

Keep up matey.

I'm more a dark overlord :wink2: Anyway, enough of this flirting, you're making me wet.

...

Hey Mancs, I am sending this from the centre of your city, It's (unusualy) sunny at present (1:00pm) and I am on my way to Barrow-in-Furness. Must say, your city isn't as bad as I make out but it is still quite dire and, that Beetham is definitely a monstrosity and seeing itin situ doesn't make it any better.

The devil made me say that.:)

I like Beetham :dunno: All it needs is a few tall friends. Cue Intercontinental Tower please!

Hey Mancs, I am sending this from the centre of your city, It's (unusualy) sunny at present (1:00pm) and I am on my way to Barrow-in-Furness. Must say, your city isn't as bad as I make out but it is still quite dire and, that Beetham is definitely a monstrosity and seeing itin situ doesn't make it any better.

The devil made me say that.:)

It wasn't sunny in Manchester at 1pm today. It hasn't been sunny at all today and it still isn't now. Apart from that, great post.

Sunny for Manchester means not raining?

It wasn't sunny in Manchester at 1pm today. It hasn't been sunny at all today and it still isn't now. Apart from that, great post.

I was going to say! The weather has been as miserable as it has been all week, minus the downpours!

I did look out of the window and quelle surprise...blanket cloud all day here as well.

Well, what to think!

The whole northern uk is suffering crap weather, I work on Merseyside, heavy drizzle and grey for days now, and colder than Manchester thanks to North Westerlies off that lovely azur Irish sea:lol:

Why do people reply to Sloyne?

He simply makes up bull shit to get your attention.

It's taken me ages to cotton on, if the rest also put him on ignore he'll stop posting the crap he does.

Was rainy and cloudy in manchester yesterday and pretty much as usual as soon as I drove over the penines towards leeds was lovely and sunny

Why do people reply to Sloyne?

He simply makes up bull shit to get your attention.

It's taken me ages to cotton on, if the rest also put him on ignore he'll stop posting the crap he does.

That makes two of us. Yosh was the standard bearer. Others will follow. The penny will finally drop. :colgate:

That makes two of us. Yosh was the standard bearer. Others will follow. The penny will finally drop. :colgate:

Aye, wiggles is also another good one to put on ignore.

Can live without reading his made up bull shit. At least sloyne knows he is a fucking idiot. I think wiggles actually belives what he types.

Why do people reply to Sloyne?

He simply makes up bull shit to get your attention.

It's taken me ages to cotton on, if the rest also put him on ignore he'll stop posting the crap he does.

Ages as in three months, or perhaps several years?

I have noticed something from some of the Northern members of SCC UK lately, that they believe that the South East comprises of London and its suburbs.

Now I would like to demolish this with fact.
The South East:
Southampton Urban Area, Portsmouth Urban Area, Brighton Urban Area, many small, towns which have their own urban areas.

Portsmouth and Southampton are almost as far apart as Liverpool and Manchester.

Portsmouth is a similar distance from London as Liverpool is from Leeds.

It takes longer to go from London to Southampton than London to Birmingham by train.

The South Downs are quite rural, look at the area between Portsmouth and Brighton for example.

Only half of top bit of Hampshire is considered to be in the Home Counties.

The big three Cities of the South East: Portsmouth, Southampton and Brighton are their own urban areas, and nothing to do with London.

I have noticed something from some of the Northern members of SCC UK lately, that they believe that the South East comprises of London and its suburbs.

Now I would like to demolish this with fact.
The South East:
Southampton Urban Area, Portsmouth Urban Area, Brighton Urban Area, many small, towns which have their own urban areas.

Portsmouth and Southampton are almost as far apart as Liverpool and Manchester.

Portsmouth is a similar distance from London as Liverpool is from Leeds.

It takes longer to go from London to Southampton than London to Birmingham by train.

The South Downs are quite rural, look at the area between Portsmouth and Brighton for example.

Only half of top bit of Hampshire is considered to be in the Home Counties.

The big three Cities of the South East: Portsmouth, Southampton and Brighton are their own urban areas, and nothing to do with London.

Odd. I'm surprised places like Portsmouth want to associate themselves as the South East. I know they belong to the South East (degree level geographer here!) but surely just the 'South' would be a more accurate discription? Like the way Yorkshire is sometimes branded in the North East, when it is pretty much Central North... maybe because I'm a West Yorkshire person I have this perspective? ...Saying that, we (Yorkshire) do tend to get our own region on the map sometimes. :D

Ah, what I was getting at is some people think those three urban areas are just feeding off London and are essentially suburbs, which is far from the truth. Admittedly, some people do commute to London from Portsmouth, I am one of them! But to class it as one city is foolish.

Portsmouth and Southampton are arguably major centres in their own right, but I'd say Brighton was a fair bit more London-dependent. A lot of people commute from there, and whilst it has quite a lot of service industry itself, it is still very much a seaside resort where Londoners go.

Brighton is like a seaside version of Reading - large and quite economically important, but definitely in London's orbit.

I'm back home now but, I have to return to the UK on the 9, August. Alas, not to Manchester but I will, whenever I am in the UK, take a picture and if I post about the area I am visiting, post it with the picture.

It took just two hours and change from Euston Station in London to Piccalilli Station in Manchester and that was with two stops. Why would anyone need to go faster than what those Pendalino's travel at?

I did look out of the window and quelle surprise...blanket cloud all day here as well.

Well, what to think!Two days before, Sunday to be exact, I got soaked watching the "Open Championship" at Sandwich, a few minutes later I was back in sunshine and drying out but kind of chilly.

You have a habit of calling me a liar, by innuendo, something that pisses me off. You don't have very good manners Fly.

Two days before, Sunday to be exact, I got soaked watching the "Open Championship" at Sandwich, a few minutes later I was back in sunshine and drying out but kind of chilly.

You have a habit of calling me a liar, by innuendo, something that pisses me off. You don't have very good manners Fly.

It was me and several others who noted there was no sunshine on that day.

The `other' day is called showers. You're `visit' day was just blanket cloud dawn-dusk. Liar.

You are a proven liar.

On this on several issues.

It was me and several others who noted there was no sunshine on that day.

The `other' day is called showers. You're `visit' day was just blanket cloud dawn-dusk. Liar.

You are a proven liar.

On this on several issues.

I always find his opinions of Manchester very accurate :)

The `other' day is called showers. You're `visit' day was just blanket cloud dawn-dusk. Liar.

You are a proven liar.It will present it's self, and soon, and I will take full advatage of it. But you know that, don't you?:)

I always find his opinions of Manchester very accurate :)Like Man U. founded in 1902 (not)? Or the Halle being the "oldest concert orchestra" in the UK. It was founded by a pianist, Charles Frederik Halle who was employed, earlier in his life, by the Liverpool Philharmonic Society. "Accurate" you say.:?

Portsmouth and Southampton are arguably major centres in their own right, but I'd say Brighton was a fair bit more London-dependent. A lot of people commute from there, and whilst it has quite a lot of service industry itself, it is still very much a seaside resort where Londoners go.

Brighton is like a seaside version of Reading - large and quite economically important, but definitely in London's orbit.

I kind of agree with that, Brighton is, and always has been, Londons Playground. That was why it was built in the first place, a similar situation is in place with Blackpool and Manchester, Weston Super-Mare and Bristol.

But yes, Portsmouth and Southampton are major economic centres in their own right and punch far above their weight.

The Blackpool - Manchester comparison is a huge pile of steaming. Where on earth did you get that from? :lol:

Yeah yeah more like Manchester - Liverpool innit. :yes:

Yeah yeah more like Manchester - Liverpool innit. :yes:Blackpool is to Manchester what Manchester is to Liverpool. Now that's a :yes: :smug:

The Blackpool - Manchester comparison is a huge pile of steaming. Where on earth did you get that from? :lol:

Cus you have Southport and we do not venture there ever?

Yeah yeah more like Manchester - Liverpool innit. :yes:



Blackpool at its height had 19 million holidaymakers a year, around half of England, and it would have shat all over every seaside town in the country. When you bear in mind that its nearest big city, Liverpool, had New Brighton and Southport on its doorstep, and regular ferries to resorts like Rhyl & Llandudno, it makes Blackpool's figures all the more impressive. Very much it's own show.

I compared Blackpool to Brighton... as in it is a resort town that traditionally served places like Manchester whilst Brighton served London.

Liverpool has Manchester's coast, Manchester has Liverpool's hinterland.

Liverpool has Manchester's coast, Manchester has Liverpool's hinterland.

I like that.

Cus you have Southport and we do not venture there ever?


If you do venture there, bring a Phil Collin's CD. Without one, Stevie G might thrash you.

If you do venture there, bring a Phil Collin's CD. Without one, if Stevie G might thrash you.

lol

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I compared Blackpool to Brighton... as in it is a resort town that traditionally served places like Manchester whilst Brighton served London.


Blackpool was more of a national thing, perhaps more comparable with somewhere like Bennidorm. It's more t'northwest nowadays, but if it's the "Mancunian playground" now though, they have my sympathies! (the Mancs, that is!). Personally, I think most of them would rather jump on a plane nowadays.

Blackpool was always full of Scottish people

Blackpool killed the Super Casino.

Thank God.

I will be forever grateful to Blackpool. :cheers:

Liverpool has always been full of Oirish people.

Liverpool has always been full of Oirish people.Not any more. However, it was the influx of Irish emigrants escaping famine in their homeland, in the mid nineteenth century, which gave Liverpool it's accent (Scouse,) it's distinct culture and it's religion.

Ive noticed that a lot of Irish students stay on in the city.

Liverpudlians look so Irish just think of all the scouse footballers, all look Irish. Spud heads, blue eyes, sharp faces.

Tony Warner, Howard Gayle and Victor Anichibe might disagree with that.

Spud heads at least.

I can pull off a really good Scouse Accent. Perhaps it's because I am a Manc with Irish-born parents. The scouse accent is somewhere inbetween the two :lol:

Spud heads at least.



I'm all for over-generalisation, stupid people need to rationalise too

I'm all for over-generalisation, stupid people need to rationalise too

I was messing you tit, stop being in a mood because I said Liverpool FC are shit...which they are.

I was messing you tit, stop being in a mood because I said Liverpool FC are shit...which they are.



I make that two threads and two portions of ownage. Ta la. :lol:

If you can't handle the smackdown, don't get in the ring. :wink2:

I make that two threads and two portions of ownage. Ta la. :lol:

If you can't handle the smackdown, don't get in the ring. :wink2:

Ownage? Aren't you a middle-aged man? Dear god, if you ever 'own' me I'll have to consider life. You're upset because I'm continually right about your dogshit football team, and just like all the other bleating, whinging and self-important Liverpool FC fans you can't accept that your heroic manager has spunked far too much money on very average players. Honestly was embarrassing on Saturday, watching Downing, Henderson and Carroll completely fail to have an impact was painful in many ways.

That's what we call ownage my deluded friend.

^^ Desperate. What's that got to do with this thread? :lol:

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/xXReneeXx/owned9wz.jpg

^^ Desperate. What's that got to do with this thread? :lol:

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/xXReneeXx/owned9wz.jpg

Is that Tim Cahill?

Anyway what's with this internal 4th City of England squabble?

We all think Liverpool have pissed £75m up the wall but we will have to wait for confirmation next March/April time.

Have patience, we have been waiting 21 years for the Liverpool revival and this humerous `new' (think Howard Kendal for precedent folks) appointment has all the hallmarks of being a classic.

Screwfix are FedEX'ing the last batch of nails for the coffin lid as we speak.

Bring it on!

Is that Tim Cahill?

Anyway what's with this internal 4th City of England squabble?

We all think Liverpool have pissed £75m up the wall but we will have to wait for confirmation next March/April time.

Have patience, we have been waiting 21 years for the Liverpool revival and this humerous `new' (think Howard Kendal for precedent folks) appointment has all the hallmarks of being a classic.

Screwfix are FedEX'ing the last batch of nails for the coffin lid as we speak.

Bring it on!

What happened to Liverpool being relegated and going bust your last prediction that come off didnt it.

What happened to Liverpool being relegated and going bust your last prediction that come off didnt it.

You did go bust. Your annual results stated clearly you were not longer a going concern and you were bailed out by NESG.

You appointed a new manager-you did not get relegated.

You will not finish in top 4.

You will not win the league again in your lifetime.

Happy?

You will not finish in top 4.

You will not win the league again in your lifetime.

Well see.

^^ Desperate. What's that got to do with this thread? :lol:

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/xXReneeXx/owned9wz.jpg

Everything, because you're a sad, petty little man who knows I'm correct in another thread so starts trying to snipe at me in another.

Posting a picture doesn't make you right, you're middle-aged ffs, have some dignity.

Everything, because you're a sad, petty little man who knows I'm correct in another thread so starts trying to snipe at me in another.

Posting a picture doesn't make you right, you're middle-aged ffs, have some dignity.

A little harsh?

George Michael
Michael Barrymore
Ryan Giggs
Barry Manilow

Yoshef, may be many things to many men (and indeed women) but the cut of his job cuts muster on most occassions.

Liverpudlians look so Irish just think of all the scouse footballers, all look Irish. Spud heads, blue eyes, sharp faces.

^^ I was responding to this, which is not sniping.


Therefore...

http://pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Ball_Smakc_In_The_Face-500x327.jpeg


IN THE FACE!!!

Anyone want to borrow this? Phumph.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y30/TheeBoards/funny_soccer.jpg

Anyone want to borrow this? Phumph.




Ouch. One of those dodgy spot the ball competitions, where all three are actually off screen?

:lol:

Ownage? Aren't you a middle-aged man? Dear god, if you ever 'own' me I'll have to consider life. You're upset because I'm continually right about your dogshit football team, and just like all the other bleating, whinging and self-important Liverpool FC fans you can't accept that your heroic manager has spunked far too much money on very average players. Honestly was embarrassing on Saturday, watching Downing, Henderson and Carroll completely fail to have an impact was painful in many ways.

That's what we call ownage my deluded friend.

I love all these super scouts who know players worth, and what this or that club should be paying for them, even before a ball is kicked.

For what it's worth, the three players you mentioned did alright on Saturday and I'm sorry if we LFC fans don't take pre-season too seriously, we never have. Even in our glory years we had many a shit pre-season. Their purpose is to gain fitness, sharpness and trying out different formations which is exactly what we did.

You did go bust. Your annual results stated clearly you were not longer a going concern and you were bailed out by NESG.

You appointed a new manager-you did not get relegated.

You will not finish in top 4.

You will not win the league again in your lifetime.

Happy?

We were bought, hardly being bailed out.

The rest of your mystic meg shit isn't worth answering.

You did go bust. Your annual results stated clearly you were not longer a going concern and you were bailed out by NESG.

You appointed a new manager-you did not get relegated.

You will not finish in top 4.

You will not win the league again in your lifetime.

Happy?

Eh?

Crank.

In Rafa We Truest ey?

Haven't the two Liverpool soccer teams (Everton & Liverpool) won more honors than any two teams from any other single English city, Manchester included?

Haven't the two Liverpool soccer teams (Everton & Liverpool) won more honors than any two teams from any other single English city, Manchester included?

... and Portugal was once a global superpower.

... and Portugal was once a global superpower.


And?

With 27 league titles and 9 European trophies between us we are the most football decorated city in England.

It really doesn't matter how long ago or how near, the fact that no other English city gets near is a record for other cities to aspire to, and your jibe just proves how shite other cities have been that they didn't catch up in all of that time.

And?

With 27 league titles and 9 European trophies between us we are the most football decorated city in England.

It really doesn't matter how long ago or how near, the fact that no other English city gets near is a record for other cities to aspire to, and your jibe just proves how shite other cities have been that they didn't catch up in all of that time.

I suppose it depends how you quanity 'football-decorated'. Crudely adding up all titles, this list would suggest London still has more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_football_clubs_in_England_by_major_honours_won

Crudely adding up 'titles'?

Maybe we should count Charity Shields as well.

Point still stands, records are there until they are broken and have no comparison with some once was superpower.

... and Portugal was once a global superpower.And Manchester once had two soccer teams locally owned. Alas, today Manchester has two foreign (Middle Eastern & North American) owned sports teams. It would seem that this would be pretender to UK "second city" status can't own even one soccer team.

I guess forgetting history can be very convenient, I mean wasn't it only about three decades ago that Manchester United languished in the netherlands of English soccer (division two)? And wasn't it even later that their city counterparts, Manchester City, struggled to stay in the third division. What price ones heritage, what price ones soul? In the absence of local pride, Yankee and Arab money buys soccer success and, it would seem, false bragging rights.

Equally true of Liverpool FC, it wasn't until the 60s they were even considered worth mentioning alongside Everton, things change at one time Preston North End could have looked down on both Liverpool and both Manchester sides.

Football's so commercialised and money driven that there is now zero competition and merely a status quo who fight for the honours. It's dead, the game is gone.

Equally true of Liverpool FC, it wasn't until the 60s they were even considered worth mentioning alongside Everton, things change at one time Preston North End could have looked down on both Liverpool and both Manchester sides.

Football's so commercialised and money driven that there is now zero competition and merely a status quo who fight for the honours. It's dead, the game is gone.Isn't one of the Liverpool teams (Everton) still locally owned and considered a community team? Weren't they also founded (honestly) in 1878?

Everton are terribly run, needs to move out of their stadium and has no money whatsoever. I'm not sure if Kenwright is local but he's given next to nothing to Everton and they have to continually sell their best players.

Everton are terribly run, needs to move out of their stadium and has no money whatsoever. I'm not sure if Kenwright is local but he's given next to nothing to Everton and they have to continually sell their best players.But, they, Everton, are still locally owned and considered to be a community team and, they were founded, truly, in 1878. Right?

Equally true of Liverpool FC, it wasn't until the 60s they were even considered worth mentioning alongside Everton, things change at one time Preston North End could have looked down on both Liverpool and both Manchester sides.

Football's so commercialised and money driven that there is now zero competition and merely a status quo who fight for the honours. It's dead, the game is gone.


PNE have won 2 league titles in their whole history, a few seasons in the sun doesn't make record breakers, nor gives them the honour of looking down on clubs who've got a better history.

PNE have won 2 league titles in their whole history, a few seasons in the sun doesn't make record breakers, nor gives them the honour of looking down on clubs who've got a better history.

Considering its size, PNE's historical significance is very high. Not only have we broken records that any other team is yet to beat, but our contribution to football itself has been massive.

Not enough to look down on other clubs.

But, they, Everton, are still locally owned and considered to be a community team and, they were founded, truly, in 1878. Right?

Define 'community team'.

Define 'community team'.

No coloured players until the late eighties.

No none Catholics?

Apart from that....great history.

Not enough to look down on other clubs.

I don't think any club should 'look down' on any other club, not that a club can do such a thing as they're not a sentient being. Fans of those clubs shouldn't 'look down' on others, it's pathetic, you just happen to be born near to that club, unless you're a glory supporter and you don't deserve any respect as a human being if that's the case.

PNE have won 2 league titles in their whole history, a few seasons in the sun doesn't make record breakers...

PNE were the first team to win the 'double', and the first team to go through a league season unbeaten.

No coloured players until the late eighties.

No none Catholics?

Apart from that....great history.

Everton? Everton had many Irish players during the 50s-60s and the side most identified with the Catholic Irish diaspora in Liverpool. The lyrics to 'Royal Blue Mersey' go 'We hate Liverpool and Rangers too'. Thankfully there is no such sectarian divides in Liverpool really, certainly not in comparison to Glasgow, but if any side is identified with Catholic Liverpool it's Everton. Liverpool's 'friendship' with Celtic only started after Hillsborough, because of their kind gesture(although it's hard to believe any other club wouldn't have done the same). I think I'm right in saying Li

As for the racism issue, Everton certainly did have an issue with that but it's not exactly exclusive to them, it was a widespread problem in english football unfortunately. One of the positive changes in modern football is the rooting out of this kind of behaviour, we are ahead of Italy and Spain in this respect. As for the late 80s comment, black players were hardly that prevalent in football in that time anyway, beating Liverpool by 4-5 years to signing a black player is hardly an achievement and trivializes the whole issue of race in football, people shouldn't be signing players because of their skin colour.

But, they, Everton, are still locally owned and considered to be a community team and, they were founded, truly, in 1878. Right?

Doesn't mean anything at all

Everton? Everton had many Irish players during the 50s-60s and the side most identified with the Catholic Irish diaspora in Liverpool. The lyrics to 'Royal Blue Mersey' go 'We hate Liverpool and Rangers too'. Thankfully there is no such sectarian divides in Liverpool really, certainly not in comparison to Glasgow, but if any side is identified with Catholic Liverpool it's Everton. Liverpool's 'friendship' with Celtic only started after Hillsborough, because of their kind gesture(although it's hard to believe any other club wouldn't have done the same). I think I'm right in saying Li

As for the racism issue, Everton certainly did have an issue with that but it's not exactly exclusive to them, it was a widespread problem in english football unfortunately. One of the positive changes in modern football is the rooting out of this kind of behaviour, we are ahead of Italy and Spain in this respect. As for the late 80s comment, black players were hardly that prevalent in football in that time anyway, beating Liverpool by 4-5 years to signing a black player is hardly an achievement and trivializes the whole issue of race in football, people shouldn't be signing players because of their skin colour.
The coloured player issue for Everton was notorious at the time. It was common knowledge and openly discussed, enough for me to have known about it, long before the internet.

Anyway, we had Mr Edwards dodgy meat saga, so is all in the past.

I like Everton, just wish they would improve Goodison instead of desiring some soulless Tesco tin shed somewhere!

Ah!

The old history bullshit argument. To make out PNE hasn't or has little or no history is a joke.

At this rate LFC will be in the same boat. 21 years without a title. And no I'm not having a pop at LFC, just a section of their support who think history and football only started when LFC started winning trophies. Let's just forget the rest of football before that point.

Define 'community team'.No!

No coloured players until the late eighties.

No none Catholics?

Apart from that....great history.I believe Mike Treblecock, scorer of two goals in the Cup Final win against Sheffield Wednesday in 1966, was considered "colored". I believe Tommy Eglington, who played for Everton in the 1940's-1950's era was non-catholic. And yet there is NO history of sectarianism in either histories of Everton or Liverpool? You are quite reptilian Fly and you wonder why I take issue with most of your posts.:ohno:

Doesn't mean anything at allOnly if you are blind to it and you don't consider that the American businesmen don't even call it "football" and are only in the game for the profit in it.

The coloured player issue for Everton was notorious at the time. It was common knowledge and openly discussed, enough for me to have known about it, long before the internet.READ POST # 15138.

I believe Mike Treblecock, scorer of two goals in the Cup Final win against Sheffield Wednesday in 1966, was considered "colored". And yet there is NO history of sectarianism in either histories of Everton or Liverpool? You are quite reptilian Fly and you wonder why I take issue with most of your posts.:ohno:

http://www.everton-mad.co.uk/feat/edy2/the_racism_just_wont_go_away_47745/index.shtml

2002 The racism just won't go away.


http://www.football365.com/news/8750/5062782

2009 Trying To Face Everton's Racist Past...
There was a time when bigotry was Everton's only calling card and Toffee Mike Furber has to face his shame at his own inaction during those dark days as prepares to take Arabs to Goodison...


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2000/jan/07/race.world

2000 Everton fans top racist 'league of shame'
Abuse still hurled at black players as clubs step up efforts to eradicate it

Facts.

Once again Sloyne you are a liar and a slanderer.

Everton-Chelsea-Leeds

The racist triangle, although that's being a bit unfair most clubs had problems, Newcastle certainly did and West Ham, Millwall etc. As I say by and large racism has been well dealt with in English football, you always have racists but they are no longer allowed to spew their bile acceptably.

Taking the moral high ground.(it's that kind of day) City have never had a problem with black players or with black lads on the terraces.

The Cool Cats(and more) were testament to that.

The chant "Oh Roger Palmer marijuana, narr...... still lingers in the memory banks to this day.

http://www.everton-mad.co.uk/feat/edy2/the_racism_just_wont_go_away_47745/index.shtml

2002


http://www.football365.com/news/8750/5062782

2009


http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2000/jan/07/race.world

2000

Facts.

Once again Sloyne you are a liar and a slanderer.You epitomize your cities penchant for the slandering of anything Liverpool. Our INS made a good decision excluding you from eligibility, thank God.

I guess you choose to ignor Treblecock and Eglington!

You epitomize your cities penchant for the slandering of anything Liverpool. Our INS made a good decision excluding you from eligibility, thank God.

I guess you choose to ignor Treblecock and Eglington!

Everton have had problems with racism in the past, stop being a complete cunt as usual.

As for Man City, well I certainly remember unsavoury chanting about rather being a ***** than a red a few years ago.

I don't think any club should 'look down' on any other club, not that a club can do such a thing as they're not a sentient being. Fans of those clubs shouldn't 'look down' on others, it's pathetic, you just happen to be born near to that club, unless you're a glory supporter and you don't deserve any respect as a human being if that's the case.


Neither do I think anyone should look down at others, it wasn't me who said PNE do or could.

Everton have had problems with racism in the past, stop being a complete cunt as usual.And England with sectarianism. Remember Oliver Cromwell? Just how far back in the past are you intending to go? You are a complete twat (love that expression) as usual.

No coloured players until the late eighties.

No none Catholics?

Apart from that....great history.


You do realise that many Scouse families are split down the middle in their football support don't you? That would hardly lend itself to religious differences.

Christ, this thread just goes lower all the time.

You do realise that many Scouse families are split down the middle in their football support don't you? That would hardly lend itself to religious differences.

Yet, Everton, unlike Liverpool, did display them until very recently.

Anyway, it is all in the past and merely an observation in response to something else.

I like Everton as a club, I just wish they had directors with a little more gumption...without Moyes' God knows where you would be.

Well actually I know where you would be..... a Sheff Wed or Leeds.

Anyway, not enough bashing...no point bashing Everton, your sins are in the past.

Everton have had problems with racism in the past, stop being a complete cunt as usual.

As for Man City, well I certainly remember unsavoury chanting about rather being a ***** than a red a few years ago.

?

*****(5 letters)

Don't be shy? Or are you so PC that you can't bring yourself to type the word?

?

*****(5 letters)

Don't be shy? Or are you so PC that you can't bring yourself to type the word?

I meant 4 * instead of 5, paki

I meant 4 * instead of 5, paki

If you want to highlight an isolated incident(which doesn't surprise me with you Albion, as regards to City) involving how many fans, feel free.

As a City supporter who's attended 100's of away games, only once have I heard similar chants and that was way back in the 90's at Bradford.

There was a reason for those chants, but no reasons justify those kind of chants. They were disgraceful then as there are now.

Apart from that I have never heard City fans chanting anything racist home or away. Unfortunately for you you know little about City's fan base or it's history.

So don't even go there.

If you want to highlight an isolated incident(which doesn't surprise me with you Albion, as regards to City) involving how many fans, feel free.

As a City supporter who's attended 100's of away games, only once have I heard similar chants and that was way back in the 90's at Bradford.

There was a reason for those chants, but no reasons justify those kind of chants. They were disgraceful then as there are now.

Apart from that I have never heard City fans chanting anything racist home or away. Unfortunately for you you know little about City's fan base or it's history.

So don't even go there.

Jesus christ calm down, I just made the point that there's rarely any fans that have a squeaky clean past. I think you'll find a lot more than you'd like me to, I take an interest in football, fans of football, more than you clearly do as you seem to relish the state of the modern game.

Just like Man utd fans singing murderes at Liverpool FC, when a group of Man Utd fans kicked a Crystal Palace fan to death in 1995(?)

READ POST # 15138.Are you trying to send him into some kind of recursive, never-ending loop?

Anyway, your sins are in the past.But your's continue.

In the Everton line-up of 1946-50 were Lawton, Sagar, Buckle, Lello, Fielding, Wainright, Catterick, Stevenson, Humphreys, T.E. and T,G. Jones non of whom were Roman Catholic. Catholic players of note in that era were Donovan and Farrell, the latter being the team captain. You have not responded to the fact that Michael Treblecock, a visible minority, played for Everton in the 1966 FA Cup Final, two decades before you claim Everton feilded a non-white player.

And you call me a liar.

Yet, Everton, unlike Liverpool, did display them until very recently.But Everton were founded by a church group in 1878 and that church, St. Domingo, was non catholic (Methodist) and located in the predominantly Orange district of Liverpool called Everton.

...without Moyes' God knows where you would be.Probably in the same position Manchester United were in the 1970's or even worse, were Manchester City occupied until very recently.

Jesus christ calm down, I just made the point that there's rarely any fans that have a squeaky clean past. I think you'll find a lot more than you'd like me to, I take an interest in football, fans of football, more than you clearly do as you seem to relish the state of the modern game.

Just like Man utd fans singing murderes at Liverpool FC, when a group of Man Utd fans kicked a Crystal Palace fan to death in 1995(?)



TBF to you Albion you think you know about football. I'm guessing your in your late teens/early twenties, as you're currently or were at Liverpool University. I stand corrected. Please feel free. I won't be offended.

I'll let you into a secret. There's plenty who post on these forums that have done the rounds from the 70's onwards. We've seen and participated in the bad and good times that have shaped football(culture) over the last 40 years.

We were there when football belonged to the fans on the terraces and off it. We've seen football nearly brought to it's knees and seen it dragged up again by the authorities and Sky. We've seen football change from it's most basic form into show business.

There is nothing you can tell me or other people about football on these forums, even though you probably like to think you can. So before you start throwing 'modern game' confetti jibes about, think on.

PS. Your jesters hat and foam hand are over there. Don't forget, soft drink bottle tops aren't allowed on the terraces either.

Try and patronise me as you wish, but I know my own experiences of football, I started my football life on the terraces and now have to sit like all the other smucks as the game becomes ever sanitised and middle-class. The fact you think SKY 'dragged the game up' tells me all I need to know about you, you're one of them I'm afriad, now you're team has got the golden goose you couldn't give a fuck, well that's your look out.

Typical middle-aged man thinking his age gives him some sort of superiority.

In the Everton line-up of 1946-50 were Lawton, Sagar, Buckle, Lello, Fielding, Wainright, Catterick, Stevenson, Humphreys, T.E. and T,G. Jones non of whom were Roman Catholic. Catholic players of note in that era were Donovan and Farrell, the latter being the team captain. You have not responded to the fact that Michael Treblecock, a visible minority, played for Everton in the 1966 FA Cup Final, two decades before you claim Everton feilded a non-white player.

And you're still maintaining that you're from the United States and not an ex-pat from Liverpool? :lol:

And you're still maintaining that you're from the United States and not an ex-pat from Liverpool? :lol:Parents and grandparents were born in Liverpool and quite a large percentage of my family still live there. Most of my summer vacations were spent in the Liverpool and Chorley areas of Lancashire. I also know quite a bit about Manchester, (like Man United being founded in 1902 not 1878,) but, I don't like the place or (most) of the Mancs I have encountered either in person or on this forum.

Have you ever been further west than Newton-Le-Willows? I mean you did claim that the closest foreign city to resemble Manchester was New York City.:lol:

Try and patronise me as you wish, but I know my own experiences of football, I started my football life on the terraces and now have to sit like all the other smucks as the game becomes ever sanitised and middle-class. The fact you think SKY 'dragged the game up' tells me all I need to know about you, you're one of them I'm afriad, now you're team has got the golden goose you couldn't give a fuck, well that's your look out.

Typical middle-aged man thinking his age gives him some sort of superiority.

He's off again. :lol: (Obviously the Sky remark went over your head)

Patronise. Pot, kettle, black. You lead by example Albion. And always have done on SSC. It's common knowledge.

And without fail Albion returns to his favourite put down. If all else fails.

Typical middle-aged man thinking his age gives him some sort of superiority

That's right Albion, I've lived longer than you and hopefully I've sampled more of life and what it has to offer. Go on, tell me I haven't.

On a serious note Albion. One day you're going to be middle aged. Hopefully you will get there. Unfortunately many people don't. Sobering thought ah, Mr I'm wet behind the ears, but I think I know everything because I go to uni and have sat with the smucks.

Parents and grandparents were born in Liverpool and quite a large percentage of my family still live there. Most of my summer vacations were spent in the Liverpool and Chorley areas of Lancashire. I also know quite a bit about Manchester, (like Man United being founded in 1902 not 1878,) but, I don't like the place or (most) of the Mancs I have encountered either in person or on this forum.

Have you ever been further west than Newton-Le-Willows? I mean you did claim that the closest foreign city to resemble Manchester was New York City.:lol:

Oh and I suppose you spent your summers watching all the football that was not on. :lol:

Yeah and you claim that you're from the states to give a vague credence to your creepy opinions. Grow up you fucking idiot.

He's off again. :lol: (Obviously the Sky remark went over your head)

Patronise. Pot, kettle, black. You lead by example Albion. And always have done on SSC. It's common knowledge.

And without fail Albion returns to his favourite put down. If all else fails.



That's right Albion, I've lived longer than you and hopefully I've sampled more of life and what it has to offer. Go on, tell me I haven't.

On a serious note Albion. One day you're going to be middle aged. Hopefully you will get there. Unfortunately many people don't. Sobering thought ah, Mr I'm wet behind the ears, but I think I know everything because I go to uni and have sat with the smucks.

Typical old man, straw man argument, 'young student thinks he knows everything', at least come up with something better than the same old lazy clichés. Your opinion is no more valid than anyone elses I'm afraid.

Typical old man, straw man argument, 'young student thinks he knows everything', at least come up with something better than the same old lazy clichés. Your opinion is no more valid than anyone elses I'm afraid.

But you're the man Albion. Sorry boy. You know about everything in life and more. Your SSC post history shows that. Or does it?

When you've lived a bit more come back to me.(and the rest of the posters you've tried to....) Until then finish your course and stick to what you know best. Which is? Exactly.

Oh and I suppose you spent your summers watching all the football that was not on.Actually, I watched Everton at the weekend play against DC United in RFK Stadium. A couple of summers ago I watched them play in Salt Lake and went to Edmonton Canada to watch them play. You see child, I have the means to travel extensively and not just in NA. I probably spend more on travel per year than the total of your annual salary.:lol:

Oh yes, the US cities that Manchester resemble or, are a reasonable facsimile, are Gary and Flint.:lol:

Ah, you've seen a reserve side play pre-season friendlys against small-time US opposition a couple of times, guess that explains your expansive knowledge of Everton in the 40's and 50's!

Stop lying scumbag.

But you're the man Albion. Sorry boy. You know about everything in life and more. Your SSC post history shows that. Or does it?

When you've lived a bit more come back to me.(and the rest of the posters you've tried to....) Until then finish your course and stick to what you know best. Which is? Exactly.

More of the same drivel then? Pathetic really but what else has an ageing, irrelevant bore of a man got left to cling on to but the year he was born?

Ah, you've seen a reserve side play pre-season friendlys against small-time US opposition a couple of times, guess that explains your expansive knowledge of Everton in the 40's and 50's!
Probably true but, I have watched them and will continue to do so. Also, I will be in the UK between August 8 and 18 and would dearly love to meet you and theFly. How about a meeting, anywhere, your choice, over a pint (or coffee,)? My treat.;)

More of the same drivel then? Pathetic really but what else has an ageing, irrelevant bore of a man got left to cling on to but the year he was born?

Like I said Albion, when you're older and a bit wiser come back to me. Until then keep on pressing the F5 button.

Back to topic.

Like I said Albion, when you're older and a bit wiser come back to me. Until then keep on pressing the F5 button.

Back to topic.

'Come back to me' :lol::lol:, as if you're some wise old sage. You're a middle-aged man who until recently used to get your/you're frequently confused. Would you mind if I don't take your pretensions to wisdom entirely seriously?

Probably true but, I have watched them and will continue to do so. Also, I will be in the UK between August 8 and 18 and would dearly love to meet you and theFly. How about a meeting, anywhere, your choice, over a pint (or coffee,)? My treat.;)

:lol: Haha I'd love that! Time. Place. Let's do this.

theFly though? Don't invite him. :ohno:

Yet, Everton, unlike Liverpool, did display them until very recently.Anyway, it is all in the past and merely an observation in response to something else.

I like Everton as a club, I just wish they had directors with a little more gumption...without Moyes' God knows where you would be.

Well actually I know where you would be..... a Sheff Wed or Leeds.

Anyway, not enough bashing...no point bashing Everton, your sins are in the past.

How recent ffs? My Grandad was a practising catholic, went to Goodison one week and Anfield the next, but his love was always for the blues. I never once heard him, or anyone else, say that Everton were a none catholic team and I've been going to the match since the 60's.

I'm a bit lost as to which city is bashing which here .... or has this turned in to a 'people bashing' thread?!?!

I'm a bit lost as to which city is bashing which here .... or has this turned in to a 'people bashing' thread?!?!

Shut up you Brummie..... :lol:

It happens every now and again Sandblast. People like to let off a bit of steam. All will be back to normal soon. God forbid.

Still no word from sloyne RE his treat to me! Come on sloyney!! We'll go to my favourite Chinese bakery on Princess Street and you can declare to all the Chinese people in there how much of a "gimmick" you think Manchester's Chinatown is.

Just name a time. :)

No invite for jrb? :( Harsh.

I've never sampled a Chinese Bakery. Any good?

I've never sampled a Chinese Bakery. Any good?

Pork buns are ace

I've never sampled a Chinese Bakery. Any good?

Yeah like you wouldn't believe! They have these amazing sweet buns with an inexplicable frankfurter placed through the middle. Amazing. Although don't try the yumyums, they're not yumyums. :ohno:

you can declare to all the Chinese people in there how much of a "gimmick" you think Manchester's Chinatown is.Holy shit man, the whole place is a gimmick, an overgrown, Bolton like, mill town pretending to be a city. :hilarious

Nurse! :ohno:

Holy shit man, the whole place is a gimmick, an overgrown, Bolton like, mill town pretending to be a city. :hilarious

:hahano:

No meeting then? Pusseh. OR you tried your yank accent and you realised can't hide your Scouse twang through it.

:hahano:

No meeting then? Pusseh. OR you tried your yank accent and you realised can't hide your Scouse twang through it.PM me sonny, with your phone number, I will definitely call you and arrange a meeting. Go-on, I dare you! I would also like to meet the Manc liars, LNGC and theFly.

PM me sonny, with your phone number, I will definitely call you and arrange a meeting. Go-on, I dare you! I would also like to meet the Manc liars, LNGC and theFly.

Apologies to kids, but this sounds the worst afternoon out I've ever heard of.

Apologies to kids, but this sounds the worst afternoon out I've ever heard of.But who gives a shit what you think? Also, the "treat" would be on me, so what could he lose?:)

Apologies to kids, but this sounds the worst afternoon out I've ever heard of.

:lol: Yeah it is a bit weird isn't it? -

But who gives a shit what you think? Also, the "treat" would be on me, so what could he lose?:)

That does sound just a little bit threatening. As if I'd give you any of my contact details! :puke:

But who gives a shit what you think? Also, the "treat" would be on me, so what could he lose?:)

More people give a shit what cherg says actually being the intelligent and constructive poster that he is ,unlike the tosser you seem to be claiming to be an ex pat Liverpudlian in the USA who is probably sat in a bedsit in Fazackerley all day with his laptop:lol:

:lol: Yeah it is a bit weird isn't it? -



That does sound just a little bit threatening. As if I'd give you any of my contact details! :puke:Where did that come from? Nah, you're not threatening me in any way, shape or form, for me to threaten you. No sirree bob, your person is quite safe with me. I will, however, likely verbally trash you.:lol:

More people give a shit what cherg says actually being the intelligent and constructive poster that he is ,unlike the tosser you seem to be claiming to be an ex pat Liverpudlian in the USA who is probably sat in a bedsit in Fazackerley all day with his laptop:lol:Yeah, believe what you want but, I will still be exposing the lies posted here, by Mancs, regarding Liverpool by the likes of theFly, LNGC, Kids et al.

Not sure if already mentioned but Manchester finally has its own Time Out

http://www.timeout.com/manchester/

free app for iphone also available. Not many 'regional cities' on this I tell thee.

list at foot of page
http://www.timeout.com/travel/

Not sure if already mentioned but Manchester finally has its own Time Out

http://www.timeout.com/manchester/

free app for iphone also available. Not many 'regional cities' on this I tell thee.

list at foot of page
http://www.timeout.com/travel/

Another Manc lie!

You've f**ing knocked that up yourself Seasonedbest.

Yeah, had a couple of hours this morning free and managed to knock up 2 authentic looking webpages to enhance and exaggerate the city's worldwide profile.

I was in Manchester at the weekend and saw Fizz from Coronation Street... I was starstruck by this sight of one of the city's social elite :D

I was in Manchester at the weekend and saw Fizz from Coronation Street... I was starstruck by this sight of one of the city's social elite :D

I was once squashed between Curly Watts and Kevin from Corrie, similar feeling I'd imagine to Manchester being squashed between Madrid and Miami in that list:)

Yeah, had a couple of hours this morning free and managed to knock up 2 authentic looking webpages to enhance and exaggerate the city's worldwide profile.

On the ball SB. :)

You're not going to let this one go are you?

Keep fishing boys.:lol:

You're not going to let this one go are you?

Keep fishing boys.:lol:

Don't know what you mean Paul? :dunno: :wink2: :colgate: (over use of Smilies is bad for you)

Another Manc lie!The following are a few Manc lies: "Founded 1878" Man U: "Oldest concert orchestra in the UK" Halle Orchestra: "Atlanta is a backwater and Sydney is on a par with NYC, Paris and London" TheFly: "There was a famine of office space in London when Docklands was being built" LNGC: "New York is the city that most resembles Manchester" Kids: "Manchester is the (sports capital of the UK; capital of the Northwest; football capital of the world; UK's second busiest airport; MAN serves more foreign destinations than any other airport in the world; education capital of the UK; most famous UK city after London;) all posted by a myriad of Manc forummers and there are many, many more.

Are you lying by any chance there? Pretty sure I've not said that Manchester is the most famous city in the UK after London, or that it is the education capital of the UK? Certainly don't believe that.

Or that MAN serves more destinations than any other airport in the world! :lol:

What I might have really said - MAN has more destinations than Heathrow (true fact).

I was once squashed between Curly Watts and Kevin from Corrie, similar feeling I'd imagine to Manchester being squashed between Madrid and Miami in that list:)

Corrie royalty!!

Here comes the action
Here it comes at last
Lord give me a reaction
Lord give me a chance

K2rJLErbJ5M

In Satellite Towns....

Wait for wiggles to produce some obscure survey and claim that is proves by 2013 Leeds will have a Time Out and it wil be the second most popular edition on the planet :lol:

10123 will of course believe every word without question :lol:

Burp, back to the Feldschosschen - Swiss National day today and we've all had a couple too many :D

Here comes the action
Here it comes at last
Lord give me a reaction
Lord give me a chance

K2rJLErbJ5M

In Satellite Towns....

Love Doves - one of the smallish number of quality bands to come from Manchester since the implosion of the Britpop/Madchester scene for which the city is best known.

Equally true of Liverpool FC, it wasn't until the 60s they were even considered worth mentioning alongside Everton.

Worth mentioning that up until 1960 both clubs had won the league 5 times, up until 1970 both had 7 titles to their names. Then Everton obviously got left in the dust by Paisley and Co.

:)

Are you lying by any chance there? Pretty sure I've not said that Manchester is the most famous city in the UK after London, or that it is the education capital of the UK? Certainly don't believe that.You can't read either. I wrote that you claimed that "the closest city to resemble Manc is NYC".

That's not a lie you muppet. A lie is suggesting that I said New York is the "closest city to resemble Manc" when I said (in answer to the question which foreign city looks most like your own) "New York/North Eastern American style maybe." That's completely subjective. Do you know how much you lie? Are you actually a pathological liar?

Parents and grandparents were born in Liverpool and quite a large percentage of my family still live there. Most of my summer vacations were spent in the Liverpool and Chorley areas of Lancashire. I also know quite a bit about Manchester, (like Man United being founded in 1902 not 1878,) but, I don't like the place or (most) of the Mancs I have encountered either in person or on this forum.

Have you ever been further west than Newton-Le-Willows? I mean you did claim that the closest foreign city to resemble Manchester was New York City.:lol:

ah the old cliched american desperately trying to cling to family heritage in a futile attempt to seperate himself from the regular joe. what a suprise! not really met many that claim scouse though- usually its italian or greek. how fascinating to hear his tales of Manchester's woes when he jets in each year and observes the squalor from the beeton tower. If you had spent a decent amount of time in each city you would know that liverpool can't even hold a candle to Manchester these days and its beyond pathetic that someone sat in texas is regurgitating such bile

ah the old cliched american desperately trying to cling to family heritage in a futile attempt to seperate himself from the regular joe. what a suprise! not really met many that claim scouse though- usually its italian or greek. how fascinating to hear his tales of Manchester's woes when he jets in each year and observes the squalor from the beeton tower. If you had spent a decent amount of time in each city you would know that liverpool can't even hold a candle to Manchester these days and its beyond pathetic that someone sat in texas is regurgitating such bile

Suggest you compare and contrast the respective photo threads on the Liverpool and Manchester forums. 7000 posts to 900 tells its own story.

Suggest you compare and contrast the respective photo threads on the Liverpool and Manchester forums. 7000 posts to 900 tells its own story.

oh yes the irrefutable authority that are the skyscraper city threads...would prefer to rely on real life experience rather than calculating who has the most photos on here

Liverpool can and does hold a lot more than a candle to Manchester.

Next ..

Suggest you compare and contrast the respective photo threads on the Liverpool and Manchester forums. 7000 posts to 900 tells its own story.

Time for another jrb video.(showing my age now) :banana:

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oh yes the irrefutable authority that are the skyscraper city threads...would prefer to rely on real life experience rather than calculating who has the most photos on here

Equally your view of something is no more authoritative than the threads of SSC.

Liverpool can and does hold a lot more than a candle to Manchester.

Next ..

To be fair.

There's always one thing I've noticed about certain Liverpool forum members.

If and when anyone dares to post anything less than complimentary about the City, damage limitation kicks in straightaway. If that doesn't work, then a f***ing good kicking will do instead.

There's always one thing I've noticed about certain <insert city> forum members.

If and when anyone dares to post anything less than complimentary about the City, damage limitation kicks in straightaway. If that doesn't work, then a f***ing good kicking will do instead.



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To be fair.

There's always one thing I've noticed about certain Liverpool forum members.

If and when anyone dares to post anything less than complimentary about the City, damage limitation kicks in straightaway. If that doesn't work, then a f***ing good kicking will do instead.

Not concerned about the lack of compliments. It was the sheer stupidity of of the post that prompted me to reply. Thick doesn't even come close.

Not concerned about the lack of compliments. It was the sheer stupidity of of the post that prompted me to reply. Thick doesn't even come close.

But that's his point of view East. Let's be honest here matey, you're no saint when it comes to posting about Manchester.

And TBH, I don't see the relevance of comparing 7000 posts/photographs to 900 posts/photographs. If Liverpool forum members want to post more pictures of their city, why should that be used to beat Manchester with?. It means nothing.

Put it this way. Comparing like for like photographs of proposals built and under construction, the Manchester forum via it's forum members comes out on top everytime and always has done. We've got more members who are prepared to do the ground work and to put the effort in.

Anyway. This is cock waving at it's best. Back into my underpants it goes. Yours is still hanging out. (if only)

Not concerned about the lack of compliments. It was the sheer stupidity of of the post that prompted me to reply. Thick doesn't even come close.

Not everyone's going to like Liverpool, some people are going to hate it. That's the same with every city, to some people Manchester is a better place, that's not some Media bias it's just an opinion.

Not everyone's going to like Liverpool, some people are going to hate it. That's the same with every city, to some people Manchester is a better place, that's not some Media bias it's just an opinion.Isn't it? SURELY, when a very large circulation national newspaper chooses to publish a front page story with negative connotations and mischievously and deliberately substitutes the location, (from Manchester to Liverpool,) then that would, in almost everyones opinion (except yours it would seem,) be considered "media bias".

You are a fucking retard.

I said someone's opinion on Manchester being a better city than Liverpool is not media bias, many, many people will not like Liverpool, some will detest it. This is the same with all places, it's not something to worry about.

Should have been clearer in my post. I drew attention to the photo thread not solely because of the quantity of posts, but because it clearly shows that Liverpool can" hold a candle to Manchester," particularly when it comes to visual attractiveness.

Sweeping generalisations, such as made in that post, are pernicious and deserve to be challenged.

You are a fucking retard.I would suggest that if you can't express yourself without reverting to filth then stop posting. Your gutter language reflects extremely unfavorably on your education, your community and your upbringing.

I would suggest that if you can't express yourself without reverting to filth then stop posting. Your gutter language reflects extremely unfavorably on your education, your community and your upbringing.

I'm not sure how a piece of badly written journalism from a London based publication can be blamed on Manchester.

I highly doubt that the head of Manchester City Council contacted the newspaper and asked them to change the name of the city.

A more likely scenario is that this is just an example of the inaccurate stories that tabloid news papers print every day. Sloppy journalism rather than some ridiculous Manchester based illuminatti who work to elevate Manchester at the expense of other cities.

The fact that a grown man can get so worked up over something so trivial is puzzling. As I understand it, the story only made the news because it was in relation to X factor?

But then again, anyone who claims to dislike a place as much as you seem to dislike the city of the Mersey and the Irwell must have some kind of personality disorder.

The fact that a grown man can get so worked up over something so trivial is puzzling.Don't lose sleep trying to psychoanalyze me, I am having a great deal of fun on here. Also, I don't dislike the place but, having said that, I wouldn't want to live there for a New York minute, I do, however, dislike the way Mancs and Manchester constantly play fast and loose with figures, dates and the truth.

Don't lose sleep trying to psychoanalyze me, I am having a great deal of fun on here. Also, I don't dislike the place but, having said that, I wouldn't want to live there for a New York minute, I do, however, dislike the way Mancs and Manchester constantly play fast and loose with figures, dates and the truth.

So, pissing off just about everyone on this forum with your ridiculous posts is your idea of fun?

I'd also like to see the some evidence for the people of Manchester interfering with figures dates and truth. Quite an accusation to make against a city of 2.6 million people, or is it only people in online debates?

I can't see it, but then again, I normally don't venture to this part of the forum these days.

As for the sun article, how is the error of a lazy journalist sat in London anything to do with Manchester? Where you expecting Richard Lease to phone up the sun and admit to the accusations? Or maybe it was all his idea to slander the name of Liverpool all along? Just one of the elaborate schemes from the Manc illuminatti.

I don't dislike the place but
:lol:

Said very much in the same vein of 'I'm not a racist but...'.

I'd also like to see the some evidence for the people of Manchester interfering with figures dates and truth. Quite an accusation to make against a city of 2.6 million people, or is it only people in online debates?In your haste to try and discredit me you have, inadvertently, supplied the evidence yourself. The city of Manchester has a population of four hundred and thirty nine thousand (439,000) + or - the odd thousand or other. The region of Greater Manchester has a population of two million two hundred thousand (2.2 million) and once again + or - etc. :lol:

I have no issue with Bury, Oldham, Bolton, Wigan etc., or any other community within the GMR.

Said very much in the same vein of 'I'm not a racist but...'.Do you mean like the anti-Semite claiming some of his best friends are Jews? Well I can honestly, and without equivocation, say that non of my friends are Mancs.:hilarious

Latest figures show that Greater Manchesters population is 2.6 million. Your numbers are at least 10 years put of date. Is that deliberate?

Greater Manchester is a city.

It may not be called the city of Greater Manchester but if you look at what a city is, you will see it is one.

At the end of the day whether you like it or not, the City Of Manchester is not an island, neither is Salford, Trafford or any of the others. If you ignore the borders and look at how people actually flow around and use the city, you will see that inner Manchester includes at least everything inside the M60. Saying that, we could have a debate about how Bolton and Wigan fit into things but that doesn't really change much.

Borders are imaginary lines. Roads, suburbs and regional centres are real.

Anyway, what you are saying is your aversion to all things City Of Manchester is because many people believe that Greater Manchester is a real city? That's a pathetic reason to hate a place.

Greater Manchester is not a city. Wigan and Bolton are dependent on Manchester but are clearly towns that are not physically connected to Manchester like Oldham or Stockport are. Manchester certainly is not a city of 2.6 million either.

Greater Manchester is not a city lmao. Of course some of the areas outside of the city of Manchester should be part of the city of Manchester. Just like other cities too.

To be fair.

There's always one thing I've noticed about certain Liverpool forum members.

If and when anyone dares to post anything less than complimentary about the City, damage limitation kicks in straightaway. If that doesn't work, then a f***ing good kicking will do instead.


Well why does Manchester think that its some special city? (There is even a thread on it on your page which would be laughable if it wasnt worrying). Its not. Its no different to Birmingham, Liverpool or Leeds. I like the city dont get me wrong but its not amazing. Its a typical British regional city.

Oh FFS! Here we go again.(jrb get's reeled in)

Gtr Manchester isn't a city. :lol:

City of London.

http://earthlinggb.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/city_of_london_map1.gif

London.

http://www.mapsofworld.com/united-kingdom/maps/london-map.jpg

Yet nobody, including the usual 'Gtr Manchester isn't a city' suspects, never question the above.

Is it because.........

If Greater Manchester met county is a city it is the worst in the developed world. Be careful what you wish for.

Oh FFS! Here we go again.(jrb get's reeled in)

Gtr Manchester isn't a city. :lol:

City of London.Is Brooklyn New York City? Certainly not, one of the borough but not the city. How about Newark? Nah, any Noo Joizee resident will, vigorously, deny being in New York. It would seem to me that it is only residents of Manchester (the city) that are delusional enough to consider everything from Buxton to Carlisle and from Huddersfield to Huyton as being Manchester.:lol:

Well why does Manchester think that its some special city? (There is even a thread on it on your page which would be laughable if it wasnt worrying). Its not. Its no different to Birmingham, Liverpool or Leeds. I like the city dont get me wrong but its not amazing. Its a typical British regional city.

I've lost count of the amount of times Liverpool forum members have boasted about their city, claiming how famous it is, how it's known 'all over the world', how it's more famous and well known than Manchester or any other English City except London, how it has a special place in history, how it was this, how it was that, and how it still is.....

Perhaps I'm wrong, but in my eyes that makes Liverpool more special than any other 'provincial city'.(let's leave London out of this) Yet you don't read Mancunian or any other forum members highlighting this and complaining about it. Either we have to accept it or it's just fact. Which is it?

Let's get one thing straight. When it comes to bigging up and boasting about a city, some Liverpool forum members are........(fill in as appropriate)

Just like Manchester, Birmingham, Leeds, etc, Liverpool isn't special or any different. It's a city that had a pop group and has a football team that are both known across the the world. Apart from that it's just another city on the world map.

A yes, I don't have a problem with Liverpool either.

If Greater Manchester met county is a city it is the worst in the developed world. Be careful what you wish for.

Don't worry, Wirral Waters, if it ever happens, will still be part and parcel of Liverpool. God forbid any non-Liverpool forum members saying any different. As for that Golf course in Southport, a mere 18 miles away. Of course it's part and parcel of Liverpool and it's sporting makeup and sporting history.

I'd never met any people so attached to local authority boundaries until I joined this forum!

Crosby, Huyton and Halewood are just as much part of Liverpool as Walton, West Derby and Gateacre.

Old Trafford, Droylsden and Failsworth are just as much part of Manchester as Moss Side, Gorton and Moston.

Beeston, Carlton and West Bridgford are just as much part of Nottingham as Lenton, Sneinton and The Meadows.

It's about time we reorganised local authorities in England.

Don't worry, Wirral Waters, if it ever happens, will still be part and parcel of Liverpool. God forbid any non-Liverpool forum members saying any different. As for that Golf course in Southport, a mere 18 miles away. Of course it's part and parcel of Liverpool and it's sporting makeup and sporting history.

10.4 miles from Little Crosby to Birkdale,stop coming out with this "it's in Liverpool" thing,it's in Merseyside,but to people from further afield,they will identify it with Liverpool,that's just the way it works,we all know it's not.This comment always rears its head with 'a cities fame abroad' debate and that's why it gets brought up in that way on here,you either twist the way it's being said or misunderstand what's being said,I'm not sure.It's not from a manc point of view,it's in the perception others abroad,they see it as Liverpool.At the end of the day,Merseyside holds three of the biggest sporting events out there,it's both simple and factual.And WW will be in the Port of Liverpool but not in Liverpool,it will certainly add to our skyline from the City Centre though.Although the people around there are as scouse as anyone.

Oh FFS! Here we go again.(jrb get's reeled in)

Gtr Manchester isn't a city.

It clearly isn't,it's laughable that people think it is.

It clearly isn't,it's laughable that people think it is.

I think it's laughable that people believe it isn't. As I said previously, everything within the M60 is certainly one city. You only have to look at a map and you will see one continuous block of urbanity. If that does not make it a city I don't know what does!

We are not saying this to make Manchester appear bigger and more important than other places. Probably all the cities in the UK have outgrown their traditional Borders including Liverpool.
I would certainly consider places such as Bootle and Page Moss to be suburbs of Liverpool, just like Stretford and Droylsden are clearly suburbs of Manchester.

2.5 million,please all of you get a grip,you'll never convince anyone.

Is Brooklyn New York City? Certainly not, one of the borough but not the city.

It isn't New York City but it is in NYC. As far as I know not one of the five boroughs is called New York City but the collective is. Newark is in a different state so I don't think anyone would mind if it they don't like being called New Yorkers just like I wouldn't expect the people of Ciudad Juarez and El Paso to say they were from the same city despite being in the same urban area.

I doubt you get the same from most Salfordites and Mancunians.

It clearly isn't,it's laughable that people think it is.

It's clearly laughable that you think it isn't. But I wouldn't expect anything less from you Paul.

To me Liverpool is Liverpool. Which includes the Wirral(on the otherside of the River Mersey) and other areas outside the City of Liverpool boundries.

Show me a map of Liverpool jrb. (not sure if this map is 100% accurate, so I stand corrected)

http://www.travelpod.com/cache/city_maps/Liverpool.gif

F*** the boundries, different councils, etc. This is Liverpool to me. One urban sprawl. And that includes a river. If you think different fair enough, but you won't change my mind. And that goes for (Gtr) Manchester as well.

2.5 million,please all of you get a grip,you'll never convince anyone.

The points in my last post are all completely valid and veritably true. Like I keep on saying, its not a con to make Manchester seem more important. It applies to all the major cities in the UK.

Gtr London. (note all the boundries)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/7d/Greater_London_UK_location_map_2.svg/750px-Greater_London_UK_location_map_2.svg.png

But nobody ever makes a point of that. Especially certain forum members. London is London, regardless. Hmmm.

To me Liverpool is Liverpool. Which includes the Wirral(on the otherside of the River Mersey) and other areas outside the City of Liverpool boundries.


Well by saying Wirral is Liverpool just shows you how wrong you are.Most people here think of Liverpool stretching from Crosby in the North to Knowsley,many wouldn't even include Prescot and most wouldn't include Whiston and St Helens despite it all being more of less connected,you're way out.I'm not even going there with the 2.5 million thing because it's so ridiculous,it doesn't warrant a discussion to tell you the truth,so you can have the last word on that.

The points in my last post are all completely valid and veritably true. Like I keep on saying, its not a con to make Manchester seem more important. It applies to all the major cities in the UK.

We're about the low 800,000's realistically,there's no way Manchester is 2.5 million,but see we deal in reality here.

Gtr London. (note all the boundries)

But nobody ever makes a point of that. Especially certain forum members. London is London, regardless. Hmmm.

But JRB don't you undertand, Greater London is 'officially' a city, that's the only thing that matters. If it was not called a 'city' it would just be a collection of disparate villages. :lol::nuts::ohno:

We're about the low 800,000's realistically,there's no way Manchester is 2.5 million,but see we deal in reality here.

I never said that inner Manchester was 2.5 or rather 2.6 million.

In many peoples language in this city, 'Manchester' and 'Greater Manchester' are interchangeable.

Ok, technically not correct, but that's just how we speak.

We all know its boundaries are tiny,that's a given,same here,same in many other places but you're no mini London.Some boundaries are generous,some are a joke,but people shouldn't get way ahead of themselves,that's all I'm saying,nothing more,nothing less.

2.5 million,please all of you get a grip,you'll never convince anyone.

I think you need to get a grip Paul.

Manchester is Manchester. Liverpool is Liverpool. London is London. When you start disecting every city in the UK and the world looking for invisible boundries, whilst ignoring their urban sparawl, you might as well call it a day.

Yet, you'll get certain Liverpool forum members swearing blind Southport and Royal Birkdale(18 miles from Liverpool city centre) form part of Liverpool and put the city on the world map. And yes they have, on many occasions.

PS. On a more serious note. I left 3 bottles of Peroni in the freezer last night. They're now in the sink frozen and minus their bottle tops.