Tevez told me this isn't the case.

Tevez would lie to his Mother on her death bed.

Apparently Fuerte Apache has 4 Michelin starred restaurants selling nothing but Argentinian steak.

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTeTbzsvNhwTIHuaAo7_YUknsIZe-1zufdJHWBGbCcMyT8tE0djXU0id02RgA

How could Alderley Edge with no Argentinian steak houses, let alone Michelin starred ones, ever compete?

http://www.webbaviation.co.uk/gallery/d/41959-1/AlderleyEdge-db54806.jpg

Don't choke on your steak Carlito.

Tevez would lie to his Mother on her death bed.A skill which he learned when he moved to Manchester no doubt. Remember this is the city that was recently ordered to cease and desist from lying by claiming it had the "oldest concert orchestra in the UK". The orchestra, by the way, was actually founded by a retired member of the Liverpool Philharmonic Society. Also, wasn't Manchester United founded by a Scouser in 1902? and didn't Newton Heath L&Y Railroad FC declare bankruptcy in 1900?
Yeah, it's obvious were Carlos Tevez learned to lie.:)

By the way, Buenos Aires is still one of the best places in the world for beef.

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Yes, and picked up by the Yorkshire Post.

Still, if the fact that a development web site went live early makes news in Yorkshire so be it.

I predict that if the GIB goes to London or Manc it will be seen as evidence as government bias by the usual suspects on here.

If it goes to Leeds, Brum or Liverpool it will be seen by the locals as evidence that their town is on the up and everywhere else is falling behind their town.

If it goes to Cov, Stoke etc then people will moan that the government have gone made.

Bookmark this post and bring it back in March when the decision is announced.

You can all complain about it being in London.

FWIW - the LBG / Verde / Co-op news today will equate to much bigger economic news for Manchester than whatever the news is for the GIB no matter how much people on here manage to massively over egg it's importance.

Yup, Co-OP to be Uk's 7 largest bank

With HSBC, Santander etc ben foreign owned, it is in reality to become one the main UK's banks..

new HQ months away from being announced??? New shiny tower alongside CIS and the new HQ being built for the other division.

Happy days.

Don't wet yourself , I'm just dreaming of our 5th 100m+ tower

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Yup, Co-OP to be Uk's 7 largest bank

With HSBC, Santander etc ben foreign owned, it is in reality to become one the main UK's banks..

new HQ months away from being announced??? New shiny tower alongside CIS and the new HQ being built for the other division.

Happy days.

Don't wet yourself , I'm just dreaming of our 5th 100m+ tower



And what makes you think it will choose Manchester ??
Canary Wharf and other places may also be in the running ???

And what makes you think it will choose Manchester ??
Canary Wharf and other places may also be in the running ???

I have not read fly's post.

Two things, Co-op bank who have bought Verde are a Manchester based bank and will remain so with Verde incorporated.

However it will not require any new buildings and relatively few new staff. The will simply scale out the business a little to account for the new branches and assets.

There will be a fair few contracting jobs in IT over the next few years as the IT integration is expected to cost between two and three billion, yes billion, to deliver.

Oh and before the usual suspects start ok the government / Manc bias bull shit, the Verde sale is an EU directive and the decision to sell to Co-op was made by the LBG board.

Ha! Not the bullshit 'Michelin star restaurant' argument again. :lol: My City is better than your city becuase it has 1, 2, or more Michelin star restaurants. Please.

Question. How many of you Brummies have been in any of Birmingham's Michelin star restaurants? Exactly. If that's how you measure and compare Birmingham to other cities, you really haven't got a clue. Fish and chips anyone?

Tell you what. I'll swap you Mediacity for all your Michelin star restaurants. Any takers? Join the queue.


I've eaten in two of the three Birmingahm Michelin restaurants, Purnells & Simpsons .... beautiful.....

..... and I've had a wander around the soulless, windswept, rainsoaked, grey, dull 'Mediacity' too.... will be very good there in 10 years time when it has 'bedded' in a bit .... ended up eating at the Trafford Centre (couldn't find anywhere else en-route back to the motorway) .... an 'homage' to Egyptian meets Vegas tat 'English style' ... which is pretty piss poor, I have to say :)

Doubt it will change that much. MediaCity is the modern economy version of Trafford Park.

Functional and very good for what it is intended to be.

Doubt it will change that much. MediaCity is the modern economy version of Trafford Park.

Functional and very good for what it is intended to be.


I'm sure the residents of Salford are very proud of it.

I'm sure the residents of Salford are very proud of it.

Indeed they are, just like many of us who do not live in Salford.

Likewise I am very glad (really not sure proud is the right word tbh) that Trafford Park is so close by to home, great private sector economic driver in the region employing loads of people.

I have not read fly's post.

Two things, Co-op bank who have bought Verde are a Manchester based bank and will remain so with Verde incorporated.

However it will not require any new buildings and relatively few new staff. The will simply scale out the business a little to account for the new branches and assets.

There will be a fair few contracting jobs in IT over the next few years as the IT integration is expected to cost between two and three billion, yes billion, to deliver.

Busy few years ahead for The Co-Operative Banking Group as they havent fully integrated with Britannia yet and this new IT System is not scheduled until late 2012 when both Co-op Bank and Britannia branches will have fully integrated systems and then maybe LLoyds branches.

I've eaten in two of the three Birmingahm Michelin restaurants, Purnells & Simpsons .... beautiful.....

..... and I've had a wander around the soulless, windswept, rainsoaked, grey, dull 'Mediacity' too.... will be very good there in 10 years time when it has 'bedded' in a bit .... ended up eating at the Trafford Centre (couldn't find anywhere else en-route back to the motorway) .... an 'homage' to Egyptian meets Vegas tat 'English style' ... which is pretty piss poor, I have to say :)

Given the choice, I'd rather have a soulless, windswept, rainsoaked, grey, dull 'Mediacity' on a bad Mancunan day, rather than 3 Michelin star restaurants. I know which is more important to a city, it's economy and it's reputation. :)

Hope you enjoyed the humble pie?

PS. You should try Mediacity next Summer, with 2-3000 people milling around it.

Busy few years ahead for The Co-Operative Banking Group as they havent fully integrated with Britannia yet and this new IT System is not scheduled until late 2012 when both Co-op Bank and Britannia branches will have fully integrated systems and then maybe LLoyds branches.

And 4.6% of UK bank accounts and a total of 36 billion worth of loans etc.

As you say, huge numbers of IT jobs will be required and will no doubt pay very well indeed.

PS Co-op don't take Verde until 2013, even then the IT integration will take several years.

Given the choice, I'd rather have a soulless, windswept, rainsoaked, grey, dull 'Mediacity' on a bad Mancunan day, rather than 3 Michelin star restaurants. I know which is more important to a city, it's economy and it's reputation. :)

Hope you enjoyed the humble pie?

PS. You should try Mediacity next Summer, with 2-3000 people milling around it.

Indeed, it is amazing how much time and effort such a horrendous place get spent taking about it on the Brum forum, mostly demanding the same for Brum.

Whats the big deal with these Michelin restaurants, they are dotted all over the county anyway, indeed there is one 15 miles up the road from me (Blackburn of all places)
Dont think I will bother with it, there are excellent places to eat nearby anyway and probably better value

Indeed they are, just like many of us who do not live in Salford.

Likewise I am very glad (really not sure proud is the right word tbh) that Trafford Park is so close by to home, great private sector economic driver in the region employing loads of people.


... as are the big regional 'out-of-town' shopping centres that surround Birmingham ... like Merry Hill and The Fort, for example :)

... as are the big regional 'out-of-town' shopping centres that surround Birmingham ... like Merry Hill and The Fort, for example :)

Arf.

Someone has no idea what Trafford PARK is.

You should have a google. 50,000 people employed in manufacturing jobs from Kelloggs to dozens of small electrical forms top huge logistical forms.

You thought I meant the Trafford CENTRE did you not :lol:

Given the choice, I'd rather have a soulless, windswept, rainsoaked, grey, dull 'Mediacity' on a bad Mancunan day, rather than 3 Michelin star restaurants. I know which is more important to a city, it's economy and it's reputation. :)

Hope you enjoyed the humble pie?

PS. You should try Mediacity next Summer, with 2-3000 people milling around it.

I think you're jealous mate or a pleb. Ohh and I've been to Purnels and Simpsons. Michelin restaurants are like 5 star hotels you probably wont stay there ever but it's good to have for marketing and status reasons. Manchester must be the only EU city of that size without one...

Enough with Co-op. lets talk about proper jobs....

Jaguar Land Rover creates more than 1,000 Solihull jobs

The new jobs at the Jaguar Land Rover plant were described as "well paid with great benefits"

More than 1,000 new jobs are to be created by Jaguar Land Rover (JLR) in the West Midlands.

The new posts are being created at the company's Land Rover plant in Solihull, where nearly 5,000 people currently work, the firm said.

They are in support of the company's ambition to deliver "40 significant product actions over the next five years".

It said these could include new models or derivatives of existing cars.

Des Thurlby, human resources director at JLR, said: "This is great news for Solihull. We shall be increasing the plant workforce by more than 25%.

Recruitment campaign
"These jobs are well paid with great benefits. We expect to receive many thousands of applications."

The recruitment campaign, which has launched with national print and radio advertisements, is for production operators and skilled trades people.

JLR said the announcement meant that this year more than 3,500 jobs had been or were being recruited for, including corporate posts in financing and purchasing.

I think you're jealous mate or a pleb. Ohh and I've been to Purnels and Simpsons. Michelin restaurants are like 5 star hotels you probably wont stay there ever but it's good to have for marketing and status reasons. Manchester must be the only EU city of that size without one...

So on that note, birminghams 5* Hotel is where exactly?

Having spent my early years in the hospitality industry (BA Hons Food Industy Management), I can tell you that * are effectively bought! You have to grace the assessors lavishly. Yes, your restaurant has to be top notch, but if you don't play ball and your face doesn't fit(no Gordon Ramsey jokes pls), you will never attain a * regardless o how good you are!!!

Oh my fucking god.. we have more Michelin star restaurants then you!?!?! Get a grip.

Enough with Co-op. lets talk about proper jobs....

That is more like it.

Reports like this are worth a million siny office blocks that simply shift pre-existing jobs around a city.

Oh my fucking god.. we have more Michelin star restaurants then you!?!?! Get a grip.

And my cock is bigger than yours!!!

Any how, I was responding to the comment that Michelin stared restaurants are like 5* hotels and that Manc must be the only city of it size in Europe without one!! The point being that Brum doesnt have a 5* hotel.

Are one of these flying from Birmingham or Leeds daily yet?

Airbus a380

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/09/02/article-1308089-0B008273000005DC-977_634x424.jpg

Is a Michelin star really all Leeds and Birmingham can bring to the table? Really?! :lol:

And 4.6% of UK bank accounts and a total of 36 billion worth of loans etc.

As you say, huge numbers of IT jobs will be required and will no doubt pay very well indeed.

Are you really attempting to enter into a intelligent discussion with this moron?

:hilarious

C'mon our airport handles more than: Brum,Liverpool, Leeds, Sheffield & Newcastle combined.


Still, as you say we are all equals. What with the towers, the football clubs, the office market, the media and the banking sector (Co-Op, UK Top 5 bank now).

Are one of these flying from Birmingham or Leeds daily yet?

Airbus a380

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/09/02/article-1308089-0B008273000005DC-977_634x424.jpg

Is a Michelin star really all Leeds and Birmingham can bring to the table? Really?! :lol:
Nobody even mentioned Leeds you psycho-cunt, please leave us out of your pathetic squabbles :wtf:

Nobody even mentioned Leeds. :wtf:

Just one of the regular willy wavers, ignore 'em!

Nobody even mentioned Leeds you psycho-cunt, please leave us out of your pathetic squabbles :wtf:

Irony? You replying, whilst reading a thread titled........

oh dear.

Are one of these flying from Birmingham or Leeds daily yet?

Airbus a380

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/09/02/article-1308089-0B008273000005DC-977_634x424.jpg

Is a Michelin star really all Leeds and Birmingham can bring to the table? Really?! :lol:



Leeds doesnt have any michellin stars.

C'mon our airport handles more than: Brum,Liverpool, Leeds, Sheffield & Newcastle combined.


Still, as you say we are all equals. What with the towers, the football clubs, the office market, the media and the banking sector (Co-Op, UK Top 5 bank now).



Yeah and despite all you have, Birmingham still is reported to have the second biggest city economy outside london.

Irony? You replying, whilst reading a thread titled........

Have you been drinking?

Are one of these flying from Birmingham or Leeds daily yet?

Airbus a380

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/09/02/article-1308089-0B008273000005DC-977_634x424.jpg

Is a Michelin star really all Leeds and Birmingham can bring to the table? Really?! :lol:


No dude, but Birmingham will be getting one so dont worry yourself. We just need to build our extension first, which is starting in 2012. As for Leeds ??????? Think you will be waiting a long time. They need to sort there actual airport out first.

C'mon our airport handles more than: Brum,Liverpool, Leeds, Sheffield & Newcastle combined.


Still, as you say we are all equals. What with the towers, the football clubs, the office market, the media and the banking sector (Co-Op, UK Top 5 bank now).



And Birmingham is second in England in the Retail stakes.

And an A380 has landed at Birmingham airport.

http://www.flyintobhx.co.uk/a380.html

The Co-Op Banking group is not the 5th biggest UK Bank, the news announced yesterday was to confirm that they have been chosen as the "preferred" bidder. Still lots of hurdles to overcome before they become the 5th largest bank.

Leeds doesnt have any michellin stars.

Blackburn does:lol:

Are one of these flying from Birmingham or Leeds daily yet?

Airbus a380

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/09/02/article-1308089-0B008273000005DC-977_634x424.jpg

Is a Michelin star really all Leeds and Birmingham can bring to the table? Really?! :lol:It looks like half of Manchester turned out to witness the most exciting thing to happen in Manchester for several decades. ;)

It looks like half of Manchester turned out to witness the most exciting thing to happen in Manchester for several decades. ;)



And a few turned out when it visited Birmingham 6 months earlier.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150331509462358&set=oa.240069742710502&type=1&theater

The Co-Op Banking group is not the 5th biggest UK Bank, the news announced yesterday was to confirm that they have been chosen as the "preferred" bidder. Still lots of hurdles to overcome before they become the 5th largest bank.

Nah, that's not how democracy works. Co-Op have it. Just like Virgin/Northern Rock...when you here rumours that means it is official.

How else do you think insider trading wins the day! ;)

Proper bashing thread now .... loving it!!!!!

It looks like half of Manchester turned out to witness the most exciting thing to happen in Manchester for several decades. ;)

Actually Monkey, that's incorrect.

There was the 2002 Commonwealth Games, the European Cup Final(at OT), the BBC move North, Mediacity, the Lowry Centre, Beetham Tower, IWMN, Metrolink extension, Stretford winning the treble, City becoming the richest Football club in the world, and a host of other events and construction projects spanning that period. (can't be arsed going through them all)

Obviously nothing will top the Olympisstake Games in London Town and the '£10bill' it will take to delivery those games.

I for one will be interested in the final Figure for the games. The original budget was £3.4bill. Oh how I laughed when I first heard that figure. I knew it was bollocks, they knew it was bollocks, but the nation bought into the lies and smokescreen.

I wonder what £10bill would have delivered for other parts of the country in these times of hardship and cutbacks. We'll never know now.

Off out for a minute to piss up the wall.

I think you're jealous mate or a pleb. Ohh and I've been to Purnels and Simpsons. Michelin restaurants are like 5 star hotels you probably wont stay there ever but it's good to have for marketing and status reasons. Manchester must be the only EU city of that size without one...

I am on both accounts.

Oh, I've been to (Michelin) Star City. Best night ever.

I can't believe you actually rose to that one jrb.

Christ almighty.

I can't believe you actually rose to that one jrb.

Christ almighty.

I was like a javlin, thrown by Testosterone Sanderson.

Blackburn does:lol:

Oh really? Best move to Blackburn then, what a fantastic city. :cheers:

No dude, but Birmingham will be getting one so dont worry yourself.

I'm not worried.

I am though, aware of how Birmingham is behind is so many areas. A Michelin star whilst a great accolade isn't really all that important when put in perspective. Jobs, infrastructure and the economy are.

Look at the Manchester thread, there's some real stuff going on, stuff that really matters. Metrolink a perfect and prime example!

And a few turned out when it visited Birmingham 6 months earlier.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150331509462358&set=oa.240069742710502&type=1&theater

Why post that? Are you an idiot. Didn't one land at every major airport in the UK/England? Which one has a daily service?

Manchester.

It looks like half of Manchester turned out to witness the most exciting thing to happen in Manchester for several decades. ;)

A highlight!

and not a bad one ;)

Arf.

Someone has no idea what Trafford PARK is.

You should have a google. 50,000 people employed in manufacturing jobs from Kelloggs to dozens of small electrical forms top huge logistical forms.

You thought I meant the Trafford CENTRE did you not :lol:

Bugger me! Trafford Park isn't even UK, let alone world famous.

Who would have believed it? Such a shame.

C'mon our airport handles more than: Brum,Liverpool, Leeds, Sheffield & Newcastle combined.


Still, as you say we are all equals. What with the towers, the football clubs, the office market, the media and the banking sector (Co-Op, UK Top 5 bank now).

Your neck of the woods also does quite well in mugging old people. An old lady mugged and murdered and her husbands ashes stolen. Seem to remember as well, a couple of teenagers a few years back murdering an old person for a few quid, then putting the corpse in a wheelie bin and dumping it in a nearby canal.

Not to mention the old boy with learning difficulties hounded to death by successive generations of scrotes.

Seems you also do well in child murders, the latest one making the news this week.

Nice place!

Bugger me! Trafford Park isn't even UK, let alone world famous.

Who would have believed it? Such a shame.

And this maters why?

Your neck of the woods also does quite well in mugging old people. An old lady mugged and murdered and her husbands ashes stolen. Seem to remember as well, a couple of teenagers a few years back murdering an old person for a few quid, then putting the corpse in a wheelie bin and dumping it in a nearby canal.

Not to mention the old boy with learning difficulties hounded to death by successive generations of scrotes.

Seems you also do well in child murders, the latest one making the news this week.

Nice place!

You are a desperate sad man.

Your neck of the woods also does quite well in mugging old people. An old lady mugged and murdered and her husbands ashes stolen. Seem to remember as well, a couple of teenagers a few years back murdering an old person for a few quid, then putting the corpse in a wheelie bin and dumping it in a nearby canal.

Not to mention the old boy with learning difficulties hounded to death by successive generations of scrotes.

Seems you also do well in child murders, the latest one making the news this week.

Nice place!

You're a fucking disgrace East. Cheap shots about Manchester at the expense of those poor people. Grow up you fucking prick. If I get banned by the MODS for abusing you, it'll be worth it.

Come on chaps ... lets stick to bashing buildings, not dragging up horrific crime statistics.

I'm not worried.

I am though, aware of how Birmingham is behind is so many areas. A Michelin star whilst a great accolade isn't really all that important when put in perspective. Jobs, infrastructure and the economy are.

Look at the Manchester thread, there's some real stuff going on, stuff that really matters. Metrolink a perfect and prime example!



Why post that? Are you an idiot. Didn't one land at every major airport in the UK/England? Which one has a daily service?

Manchester.



I think your the idiot who knows nothing outside your hometown. First of all i will be the first to admit that Brum has its problems and many of them, so i dont for 1 second believe all the hype some of you manncs portray to the rest of the country that your city is some gold mine and immune to the shit that is happening all over the world.
On the Birmingham forums if you bother to have a look, you will see that Birmingham is also trying to build for its future and yes we might be behind in some areas, however at least we are doing something to address these problems unlike some cities.
1: 600million Redevelopment of our main city centre train station which will make it one of or even the best railway station in the country.
2: Extending our Metro through the city centre at a cost of 130million
3: Extending our airports Runway so that it can compete with Manchester.

I for one am positive that the above 3 are happening and confirms to me that Brum is serious in what it wants to achieve.

Loads of other stuff going up in the city centre also.



And with regards the A380, again your the idiot becouse NO it didnt land at every airport in the UK, LOL. The original prototype A380 did a fly around most airports but it didnt land. BHX was the first airport outside London Heathrow where it landed and rumours have it that Emirates will be introducing a 3rd daily service very soon, so loads to look forward to. :cheers::cheers:

I'm not worried.

I am though, aware of how Birmingham is behind is so many areas. A Michelin star whilst a great accolade isn't really all that important when put in perspective. Jobs, infrastructure and the economy are.

Look at the Manchester thread, there's some real stuff going on, stuff that really matters. Metrolink a perfect and prime example!



Why post that? Are you an idiot. Didn't one land at every major airport in the UK/England? Which one has a daily service?

Manchester.




Manchester is also behind in many areas, one of the main ones is your Educational standards compared with the rest of the country, some of the lowest.

I think all big cities have stuff going on so I dont know why people are arguing about it.

I think all big cities have stuff going on so I dont know why people are arguing about it.



But Mancguy thinks only the stuff happening in Manchester is important and makes a real difference, which is sooooooo untrue and false.

I'm not worried.

I am though, aware of how Birmingham is behind is so many areas. A Michelin star whilst a great accolade isn't really all that important when put in perspective. Jobs, infrastructure and the economy are.

Look at the Manchester thread, there's some real stuff going on, stuff that really matters. Metrolink a perfect and prime example!



Why post that? Are you an idiot. Didn't one land at every major airport in the UK/England? Which one has a daily service?

Manchester.




He is telling us to look at the Manchester thread becouse there is some real stuff going on, LOL
Yeah i know.

He is telling us to look at the Manchester thread becouse there is some real stuff going on, LOL
Yeah i know.




In Birmingham also, there is some "REAL" stuff going, some BIG MOTHER FUCKER stuff going on.:cheers:

Manchester is also behind in many areas, one of the main ones is your Educational standards compared with the rest of the country, some of the lowest.

Really, not including Trafford in Manchester?

Trafford's not in Manchester though is it? Unless Solihull is in Birmingham where they have some of the UK's best schools.

Really, not including Trafford in Manchester?

Why should he? Manchester's educational statistics don't include Trafford.

Trafford's not in Manchester though is it? Unless Solihull is in Birmingham where they have some of the UK's best schools.

Fair enough.just never complain about MediaCity.

Btw, is it possible, maybe, just maybe, parents who can, do, send their kids over the boarder from Manc to Trafford.

We get it,a part of the urban area, the poor part has very poor educational levels, however, other parts off the urban area have very high levels.

may not be in the local authority of Manchester, but so what?

Manchester tends to copy the London way of mentioning a local authority being part of the same city while in Birmingham we can't get away with a similar situation even though our neighboring councils are intrinsically knitted together - Solihull, Sandwell and Dudley are part of our conitinual urban fabric.

Anyone want to tell us that the local authority of greater Manchester has poor people, poor education and poor opportunity in life?

Sure it is very bad no one denies that.

But so are many other local authorities, it will never explain why what happens in Manchester happens though will it? My personal guess is that those in Salford, Trafford.... All contribute to the BBC moving in, HSR coming etc.

I'm personally thinking that those who live in Manchester get more than would be expected for a piss poor part of the world with shit education.

Fair enough.just never complain about MediaCity.

Btw, is it possible, maybe, just maybe, parents who can, do, send their kids over the boarder from Manc to Trafford.We get it,a part of the urban area, the poor part has very poor educational levels, however, other parts off the urban area have very high levels.

may not be in the local authority of Manchester, but so what?

Manchester should be improving it's educational attainment so parents have no need to look elsewhere.

BTW parents send their children hundreds of miles in search of educational excellence, not just over local borders.

Manchester tends to copy the London way of mentioning a local authority being part of the same city while in Birmingham we can't get away with a similar situation even though our neighboring councils are intrinsically knitted together - Solihull, Sandwell and Dudley are part of our conitinual urban fabric.

So what.it makes no difference for us living here.

If Trafford is Manchester or not makes fuck all difference to is living here does it?

Why are some people so fixated by labelling places? The reality is the well educated of Trafford can work in Manchester and the poor educated in Manchester can work in Salford.

All very very easily given the connectivity of the area.

I think the point is that the stats on education and other things only represent the city of Manchester - the official boundary. Trafford is Manchester but technically its not when it comes to things like reports on Manchester.

So what.it makes no difference for us living here.

If Trafford is Manchester or not makes fuck all difference to is living here does it?

That doesn't explain why so many of your fellow posters insist that your county is in fact a city, thus attempting to set it apart and above every other English Met county, when it is nothing of the sort.

Even the Mancophile BBC recently referred to remembrace day celebrations in TOWNS across Greater Manchester.

That doesn't explain why so many of your fellow posters insist that your county is in fact a city, thus attempting to set it apart and above every other English Met county, when it is nothing of the sort.

Even the Mancophile BBC recently referred to remembrace day celebrations in TOWNS across Greater Manchester.

Yes and I tell them they are idiots.

just like I remind you sad bitter hatred to ask things Manc

Yes and I tell them they are idiots.

just like I remind you sad bitter hatred to ask things Manc

Not all things. Only the vainglorious and inaccurate boasts.

PS a best friend used to live in Ealing town centre in London.

He moved to Sale town centre in Manchester recently.

I also hear Aston town centre in Brum is ok.

Get it?

Not all things. Only the vainglorious and inaccurate boasts.

Yet you don't pick up on others oddly :lol:

When was the last time you questioned a Loiner when they claimed Leeds to be the 2nd financial centre:lol:

Yawn. Here we go again. Education, crime, etc. Let's split the City of Manchester from the rest of the urban sprawl. It's f***ing hilarious! Where would Liverpool be without the Wirral, Southport, Chester, and the rest of the Posh and Alex Curran parts of Merseyside?(North Wales, etc)

If I was a c*** like certain Liverpool form members, I could RIP the..... out of the said city. The same goes for Brum to a lesser extent. Saying that, it's not personal with the Brummies, so I'll take that back.

The irony is, the scousers believe that Manc is a town of 400k people with piss poor education and high crime.

That is why they struggle do much with so many decisions the government, public and private companies make.

Ignorance is bliss.

East, you claim only to pick up when people over egg their town.

Last week in the commons Cameron said Brum was the second financial centre in England.

Care to post links to your complaints to the Loiners about their over egging?

Or, if I suspect, are you only obsessed with Manchester?

The irony is, the scousers believe that Manc is a town of 400k people with piss poor education and high crime.

That is why they struggle do much with so many decisions the government, public and private companies make.

Ignorance is bliss.

No seriously. When will certain forum members realize that the City of Manchester(400,000 people) no longer has a wall around it, and no longer survives on air drops?

Night. Up at 4 in the morning. F***ing Groundhog Day!

If I was a c*** like certain Liverpool form members, I could RIP the..... out of the said city.

Don't do it! I don't want to hear the Scousers crying out in outrage about how hard done by they are... again :|

No seriously. When wll certain forum members realize that the City of Manchester(400,000 people) no longer has a wall around it and survives on air drops?

But it does.

No highly educated people in Trafford can catch a tram.

It is almost impossible to get from the city centre to MediaCity.

From what I hear all tram extensions are to be canceled as no one ever Crosses local authority boundaries and Metrolink was to cover 8 totally separate places that simply do not interact.

Don't do it! I don't want to hear the Scousers crying out in outrage about how hard done by they are... again :|

I bet KLM only left because someone in whitehall told them they had to :lol:

Apart from some trolls, everyone knows the true boundaries of cities on here. But until the official boundaries are extended on most cities then reports on Manchester will only include the 498k people in the city of. Get over it! This is what a non-troll was trying to state. No need to get up in arms.

PS.

I don't understand. Please help me out. The Liverpool forum has some great members like Yosh, Awayo, Toady, Tomo, Scouse in Manc, Tommy, and the late and great Tony Sebo, etc.(sorry if I've missed your name out) Even Liverpolitan called it a day a long time ago. Fair play to him.

But East still has to........(fill in as appropriate)

Apart from some trolls, everyone knows the true boundaries of cities on here. But until the official boundaries are extended on most cities then reports on Manchester will only include the 498k people in the city of. Get over it! This is what a non-troll was trying to state. No need to get up in arms.

yes but the question is how is that relevant to any discussion?

We get it, as I said before, the local authority of Manchester is very poor, very badly educated and tend to have fewer opportunities in life.

No one disagrees.

I live in Trafford, if you want to play this game we shit on everywhere in the north in an urban area.

Reality is linking anything to a local authority tells you nothing about an area.

PS - you seem to suggest that boundaries make up a city.

Why?

Very very few people actually think that way in the real world.

Most away fans visiting Old Trafford think that they are visiting Manchester.

Likewise Salford Quays.

Sure, do not call it Manchester, but walk from MediaCity to Old Trafford and look at Beetham, you think it is all the same city no matter what the local authorities boundaries say - it really makes no difference what any arbitary political boundary says.

Out of interest, why do you think the DfT - a government body - uses Primary Urban Areas as opposed to local authorities when looking at the size of towns and cities?

Apart from some trolls, everyone knows the true boundaries of cities on here. But until the official boundaries are extended on most cities then reports on Manchester will only include the 498k people in the city of. Get over it! This is what a non-troll was trying to state. No need to get up in arms.

Get over what Tomo? Does this mythical figure in certan heads affect Manchester? Do the invisible boundries affect Manchester? Of course not. If you can force yourself to do it, pop over onto the Manc forum and see what's happening across the urban sprawl. 10 is slowly becoming 1.(in many ways)

That's your lot.

I totally agree with you about local authorities/authority's. Id just ignore any poster who is trolling because they are goading you on purpose. If you start being offesive about Liverpool or Birmingham then its going to end up in a 10 page argument and can you really be arsed with that?

I'd love to know how the fact that 230k people live in Trafford is noticable to my everyday life.

Does it affect the frequncy of the trams to work? (10 trams per hour (tph) in case you wondered).

Does it affect the amount of infrastructure in my area and what is planned? (Odd to think that just 230K people will have 10tph to a high speed railway line in 20years).

Odd to think that 230k people have such a large airport literally touching the boarder.

Odd to think that all those job oppurtunities are so close to us in Trafford Park, Salford Quays and the city centre.

Yet somehow, for whatever reason, us in Trafford never ever interact with those in the other boroughs, we never work, rest or play anywhere but Trafford. Seriously.

I totally agree with you about local authorities/authority's. Id just ignore any poster who is trolling because they are goading you on purpose. If you start being offesive about Liverpool or Birmingham then its going to end up in a 10 page argument and can you really be arsed with that?

But I don't, even though I could do. For 9 years I've been fighting the war on and off. I'm tired and bored with it. Yet brainwashed Jihadists 'still' want to blow themselves up in front of my eyes. I wouldn't mind, but they never take me out and I'm always left picking up the pieces.

Going to bed now.

Not expecting Esat to post any links to his previous picking up the Loiners for overegging their financial centre.

He doesn't even try to pretend he is not obsessed anymore. :lol:

Manchester is also behind in many areas, one of the main ones is your Educational standards compared with the rest of the country, some of the lowest.

I think your the idiot who knows nothing outside your hometown. First of all i will be the first to admit that Brum has its problems and many of them, so i dont for 1 second believe all the hype some of you manncs portray to the rest of the country that your city is some gold mine and immune to the shit that is happening all over the world.
On the Birmingham forums if you bother to have a look, you will see that Birmingham is also trying to build for its future and yes we might be behind in some areas, however at least we are doing something to address these problems unlike some cities.
1: 600million Redevelopment of our main city centre train station which will make it one of or even the best railway station in the country.
2: Extending our Metro through the city centre at a cost of 130million
3: Extending our airports Runway so that it can compete with Manchester.

I for one am positive that the above 3 are happening and confirms to me that Brum is serious in what it wants to achieve.

Loads of other stuff going up in the city centre also.



And with regards the A380, again your the idiot becouse NO it didnt land at every airport in the UK, LOL. The original prototype A380 did a fly around most airports but it didnt land. BHX was the first airport outside London Heathrow where it landed and rumours have it that Emirates will be introducing a 3rd daily service very soon, so loads to look forward to. :cheers::cheers:

But Mancguy thinks only the stuff happening in Manchester is important and makes a real difference, which is sooooooo untrue and false.

He is telling us to look at the Manchester thread becouse there is some real stuff going on, LOL
Yeah i know.

In Birmingham also, there is some "REAL" stuff going, some BIG MOTHER FUCKER stuff going on.:cheers:

Okay, like whatever.

LOOOOL

:|

:lol: @ this thread

PS a best friend used to live in Ealing town centre in London.

He moved to Sale town centre in Manchester recently.

I also hear Aston town centre in Brum is ok.

Get it?

But Aston is within the heart of Birmingham though - talk about missing the point! Sale is in another borough. As I say if we said solihull was in brum the pc brigade would say the opposite, even if it's part of our conurbation.

But Aston is within the heart of Birmingham though - talk about missing the point! Sale is in another borough. As I say if we said solihull was in brum the pc brigade would say the opposite, even if it's part of our conurbation.

What difference does it make to my life, economically or socially that someone decided that Sale is in a different borough than the city centre?

Out of interest, when did you read any of my posts saying that some people can not legitimately say in their view they consider parts of Solihull to be in Brum?

Any way, as I said above, what possible difference does it make to anyone, in the real world if anyone wants to say Sale is or is not in Manchester. It makes no difference to anything it is an arbitrary name that has almost no real significance as to where any economy or social boundaries are does it?

What real difference would I notice if Sale was moved into the Manchester local authority like Aston is in Birmingham local authority?

Put it like this, many seem to have an issue with Manchester being the name of the thing that is the economic and social area that exists but does not end where the local authority ends.

However, there is an economic and social area that is centred on Manchester city centre that stretches well beyond Manchester local authority boundaries, now if you don't want to call this Manchester fair enough,a perfectly valid position to hold. however, such an economic and social urban area does exist and we tend to discuss that entire area on these forums since it is the entire area that drives demand for infrastructure such as trams, high speed rail, business and government investment etc etc.

So, if you want do not call out Manchester but can someone please suggest another name that we can use when we are taking about that area that drives that demand since suggesting that such an area does not exist is clearly ludicrous. Maybe a should use SELNEC our something similar, it REALLY does not master what we call it, but that economic and social area does exist.

PS getting used to swype on the mobile hence the gibberish postings.

See ya later guys, I'm off to town! "Town" to me being the City (of Manchester), even though I'm from Salford. I'll be meeting my friends, from Bury, in Manchester too. Here's the facebook message I just recieved from one of my friends;

Katy ____ Today, 12.03
Hey sexyy xx, you coming town?

Weird that, how could people from Bury and Salford possibly associate the urban core as if it was the same place?

Is Katy a little fox?

Is Katy a little fox?

I call everyone 'sexy', 'sex beast', 'sex god' or 'sexy shoes', so I guess it kinda rubs off on everyone else :lol:

Waiting for the rain to stop before I go out and ruin my hair :|

See ya later guys, I'm off to town! "Town" to me being the City (of Manchester), even though I'm from Salford. I'll be meeting my friends, from Bury, in Manchester too. Here's the facebook message I just recieved from one of my friends;

Katy ____ Today, 12.03
Hey sexyy xx, you coming town?

Weird that, how could people from Bury and Salford possibly associate the urban core as if it was the same place?

Probably becouse mate those towns/cities are so piss poor thats why. As for Brum, people can also shop in Solihull which has quality shopping and even Sutton coldfield has an House of fraser so people from these parts of Brum would call these places TOWN. Dont have no need to go into our big town, which is the city centre.

East, you claim only to pick up when people over egg their town.

Last week in the commons Cameron said Brum was the second financial centre in England.

Care to post links to your complaints to the Loiners about their over egging?

Or, if I suspect, are you only obsessed with Manchester?


Thats becouse Cameron likes Brum :) He has much to lose if city council goes back to labour. Our current leader is a Tory.

literally touching the boarder.





was that included in the crime stats?

I bet KLM only left because someone in whitehall told them they had to :lol:



To be fair, KLM are making reductions across there whole UK network in S12, even to your beloved MAN and my beloved BHX. They are replacing some of the Boeing 737 flights with those wretched Fokker aircraft. :bash:
So i think its more to do with the appalling Euro mess than with LPL airport.

Don't do it! I don't want to hear the Scousers crying out in outrage about how hard done by they are... again :|

Are you still here,wasn't Preston cancelled recently.:lol:

I call everyone 'sexy', 'sex beast', 'sex god' or 'sexy shoes', so I guess it kinda rubs off on everyone else :lol:

Waiting for the rain to stop before I go out and ruin my hair :|

Ha I'm doing the same!
I need to get into town (meaning Manc city centre - from my flat in Trafford) to buy a new laptop :D

Pics of katy or it didn't happen.

Does it affect the amount of infrastructure in my area and what is planned? (Odd to think that just 230K people will have 10tph to a high speed railway line in 20years).

Not really. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reims_tramway) 180-200000 people already have their ten trams per hour, three of them going to a high speed railway line.

Not really. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reims_tramway) 180-200000 people already have their ten trams per hour, three of them going to a high speed railway line.

In England?

Who reckon a town of 230k would ever get 2 tram lines (airport line goes through Trafford) and be right next to a HSR station if there was niter else there driving the demand.

PS just only today noticed that the maps in the city centre on the advertising boards have a page map of the city centre - Salford and Manchester on the map, with four smaller maps below.

The quays - Trafford and Salford, Oxford rd - Manchester, Eastlands - Manchester and Salford crescent -Salford.

All under the big words of 'welcome to Manchester'.

So, if someone can change the way us locals see the area maybe we will get somewhere however as it is no one had come up with a better name for that urban area that shares it's economy and social infrastructure.

PS Alty also has a House of Fraser.

P.P.S. I wonder how many non-Mancs realise that if there is a 'Manchester parkway' HSR station at the airport it may well actually be in Trafford at Davenport Green - between Hale Barns and Wythenshawe?

Likewise, although less likely, a city centre station could well be on the Salford side of the Irwell.

Now, will it make the slightest difference to anyone if there are two HSR stations within in urban area yet neither happen to be within the Manchester local authority?

I am sure many on here may get excited about the prospect but I am less sure how us locals will spot the difference and why we would care???

PS Alty also has a House of Fraser.



And i bet the views of "most" people from Altrincham is that they are not Manchester, just like the upper classes in Solihull and Sutton Coldfield think about being part of a Birmingham ???

Interesting, innit.

Bloody snobs, LOL

And i bet the views of "most" people from Altrincham is that they are not Manchester, just like the upper classes in Solihull and Sutton Coldfield think about being part of a Birmingham ???

I live in Altrincham. I'm very much from Manchester. Most babies born to Altrincham mothers will be delivered at wythenshawe hospital, making them Mancs!!!! Alt-wythenshawe hosp is 2 miles

Dunno whether that is true or not.

In fact, not even sure if it matters how many people 'feel' they are in place x,y or z.

If someone in Alty works in the city centre, spends significant amounts of their lesuire time in the city centre and The Quays then does it matter whether they are considered as in the city or not?

The people of Alty create huge demand for trams, spend loads in the city centre and almost certainly spend a disproportionate amount in restaurants and theatres in the city.

Have you been to Alty recently?

Given the wealth in the area, there should be loads of decent shops, bars and restaurants. Fact is Alty town centre is shite for two reasons, the trams to town and the main road to the Trafford Centre means the population is contributing to the city as much as almost everyone else in the area.

Does it matter if we or they consider them to be in the city?

I don't personally think so as the existance of that population contributes significantly to the urban area and whether or not they are in an arbituary city makes no difference to anyone or anything.

I live in Altrincham. I'm very much from Manchester. Most babies born to Altrincham mothers will be delivered at wythenshawe hospital, making them Mancs!!!! Alt-wythenshawe hosp is 2 miles

Indeed.

Any HSR station at the airport would almost certainly be in both Hale Barns (Alty) with parts of the station in Wythenshawe (Manchester).

Dunno whether that is true or not.

In fact, not even sure if it matters how many people 'feel' they are in place x,y or z.

If someone in Alty works in the city centre, spends significant amounts of their lesuire time in the city centre and The Quays then does it matter whether they are considered as in the city or not?

The people of Alty create huge demand for trams, spend loads in the city centre and almost certainly spend a disproportionate amount in restaurants and theatres in the city.

Have you been to Alty recently?

Given the wealth in the area, there should be loads of decent shops, bars and restaurants. Fact is Alty town centre is shite for two reasons, the trams to town and the main road to the Trafford Centre means the population is contributing to the city as much as almost everyone else in the area.

Does it matter if we or they consider them to be in the city?

I don't personally think so as the existance of that population contributes significantly to the urban area and whether or not they are in an arbituary city makes no difference to anyone or anything.

I totally agree with you mate and i would feel the same if i lived in an "outer" part of Brum or Mancs, but many people are protective of there hometown, dunno why but they are, lol

Pics of katy or it didn't happen.

Good point kids.

Sort it VB.

It's also a chance to disprove the widely held belief of people across the UK that Manc bints are bad dogs.

Probably becouse mate those towns/cities are so piss poor thats why. As for Brum, people can also shop in Solihull which has quality shopping and even Sutton coldfield has an House of fraser so people from these parts of Brum would call these places TOWN. Dont have no need to go into our big town, which is the city centre.

Some of those towns are not piss poor at all, Bolton has an excellent shopping centre with a magnificent square dominated by the Leedseque town hall. Bury is a nice market town and has a shiney new shopping centre not to mention one of the countries best market., if not THE best.

House of fraser? who gives a shit about that,isnt there one in Altrincham anyway

Regarding Solihull, soulless place, had to stay there two nights when on a training course at the BT training centre in Shirley( now closed)

Some of those towns are not piss poor at all, Bolton has an excellent shopping centre with a magnificent square dominated by the Leedseque town hall. Bury is a nice market town and has a shiney new shopping centre not to mention one of the countries best market., if not THE best.

House of fraser? who gives a shit about that,isnt there one in Altrincham anyway

Regarding Solihull, soulless place, had to stay there two nights when on a training course at the BT training centre in Shirley( now closed)

Agree with you mate, however people from Solihull prefer there John Lewis than a market.

Going to bed now.

Not expecting Esat to post any links to his previous picking up the Loiners for overegging their financial centre.

He doesn't even try to pretend he is not obsessed anymore. :lol:

Obsessed?

So says the bloke with multiple identities and tens of thousands of posts, each one more or less the same.

arf - back again.

These postings you have made picking up the Loiners for their second financial centre claims.

Obsessed sad f*cker aren't you. :lol:

:ohno:^^ What a knob. No wonder mancs have such a bad reputation.

Speaking of obsessed.

East's other account.

Check out his posting history, all six posts replying to me.

Do you have a crush on me :lol:

And Birmingham is second in England in the Retail stakes.

But not in the UK.

^^ Predicted to be second in the UK over the next few years though:)

It's likely Leeds could even overtake Birmingham in the retail rankings once Eastgate is complete, but then again who gives a shit?

and we all believe reports with a vested interest.

Out of interest, why have none of the Loiners challenged Cameron's comments about Brum being the second financial centre of England?

Just going to ignore them until Marketing Leeds next make a counter claim?

Did he? I didn't notice.

Every city claims to be the second something or other (Manc and Leeds both lay claim to be the 2nd financial centre), and quite honestly I am not bothered, whatever makes my city sound better and attracts more investment is good for me!

He did in the EU veto debate.

As my post a couple of minutes ago suggest, the vast majority on here who are not from Brum will ignore it and believe Marketing [Leeds, Manchester, where ever] the next time they come out with some 'neutral' facts.

Naah Leeds is second. We have big scary law firms, while Manchester firms cater for peasants.

Sigh, second. Try being first for something, like first Naval Base.

:troll:

Sigh, second. Try being first for something, like first Naval Base.

:troll:

Aye, well from memory Cameron actually said Edinburgh was the UKs second financial centre and Brum the second in England - he said this was based on number of people working in these areas whose jobs would be at threat [sic] if the EU imposed the financial regulations.

My point is not that it is important to be second, third or whatever.

It is...

1) People on here are incredibly selective as to how they form their views of the world, disregarding comments that go against their world view and placing over importance in those that do agree with their world view - with no question ever as to any motives for the claim to having been made by claimant.

2) Eastie seems blind to such claims by contributors to this forum from non-Mancs. Always primed (with his multiple accounts) to leap on any questionable Manc forumer yet lets all sorts go from every other forumer. Watching someone quite so obsessed by a place he clearly has serious hatred issues for is amusing. It must really be eating him up in side given the time he spends soley focusing on trying to be negative about all things Manc. Just look bacvk at his posts last week.

Naah Leeds is second. We have big scary law firms, while Manchester firms cater for peasants.

Are you actually serious? With both parents working in that sector I can firmly say that's not true at all.

Did he? I didn't notice.

Every city claims to be the second something or other (Manc and Leeds both lay claim to be the 2nd financial centre), and quite honestly I am not bothered, whatever makes my city sound better and attracts more investment is good for me!



And neither of you are, Birmingham is the second financial centre, quoted by our prime minister. Thats good enough for me. :cheers:

Sigh, second. Try being first for something, like first Naval Base.

:troll:



Yeah that sounds good.

Birmingham is the largest city in the UK.

:banana::banana:

To one and all.

When a certain Monkey comes on here bashing Regional cities, especially one in particular :) about the money they've reeceived fron Central Government, remind him of this. (below)

Don't forget, on top of this you can add the cost of the Olympics.

As handouts go, no other city comes close to London.

Transport spending heavily skewed towards London

Crossrail is one of the biggest infrastructure investments in London

Does the North need more powers?

Grim up north, puzzling down south

The government spends more money on transport projects for Londoners than on those for the rest of the country combined, a think tank says.

The Institute for Public Policy Research North says £2,700 is spent per person in London compared with £5 per head in the north-east of England.

In a report out this week IPPR North says there is a "sharp disparity".

The government says its investment strategy is to maximise economic benefits for the country as a whole. :lol:

'Deeply unfair'
Ed Cox, Director of IPPR North, said: "Skewed spending benefiting London and the south-east is nothing new but these new figures are truly shocking and will strike most people as deeply unfair."

The BBC's Transport Correspondent Richard Lister says the report claims the infrastructure strategy is "entrenching the North-South divide".

IPPR North says almost half of the 20 biggest taxpayer-funded transport projects benefit only London and the south-east.

TRANSPORT SPENDING PER HEAD

London - £2,731
South-east of England - £792
East Midlands - £311
West Midlands - £269
Yorkshire and Humberside - £201
North-west of England - £134
Eastern England - £43
South-west of England - £19
North-east of England - £5
The Department for Transport said London is a global capital which supports a large number of commuters and it points out the government had recently approved additional investment of £1.4bn in transport schemes outside London.

But analysis by IPPR North shows almost half of major transport projects involving public funding benefit only London and the south-east, accounting for 84% of planned spending.

IPPR North says the "cost benefit analysis" equation currently used to decide where investment is targeted is wrong and that lack of spending constrains growth in the north of England.

Mr Cox conceded that much of the spending in London was due to the Olympics but he added: "If the government continue to use a system that reinforces the dominance of London and the south-east we'll all be worse-off in the long-run as the south becomes more congested while the north continues to fall behind in terms of growth."

IPPR North has called for a review of all future infrastructure projects ahead of the 2014 Spending Review.

Our government's a joke.

Less than 15% of of us live in London, and yet they get much more in terms of handouts. I for one WON'T be watching the commonwealth games next year.

And then people on here wonder why half my school don't know the National Anthem, it's because I (for one) don't feel English at all. To me, not being funny here, to me, England starts north of Birmingham.

Our government's a joke.

Less than 15% of of us live in London, and yet they get much more in terms of handouts. I for one WON'T be watching the commonwealth games next year.

And then people on here wonder why half my school don't know the National Anthem, it's because I (for one) don't feel English at all. To me, not being funny here, to me, England starts north of Birmingham.



So does that mean Birmingham is North or South ????

Lets see that again

London £2731
North East £5

All from the same pot we're all paying into

So does that mean Birmingham is North or South ????

I don't actually know. Going off culture and general experience, I'd say it's more Northern than Southern. However no one will agree because everyone thinks the North is grim and horrible.

I reckon the clue is in the name of the metropolitan county.

I reckon the clue is in the name of the metropolitan county.

So we are WEST ??????


Thanks for that info, LOL

Is water at one atmosphere at 50 degrees centigrade gas or solid?

Our government's a joke.

Less than 15% of of us live in London, and yet they get much more in terms of handouts. I for one WON'T be watching the commonwealth games next year.

They aren't until 2014, but what's boycotting an event in Glasgow going to achieve?

They aren't until 2014, but what's boycotting an event in Glasgow going to achieve?

What? No I'm talking about the thing in London next year! The one who's TV advert has Final Countdown as a background song.

What? No I'm talking about the thing in London next year! The one who's TV advert has Final Countdown as a background song.


No that's the big one,the Olympics.

No that's the big one,the Olympics.

Yeah that's the one.

Can't believe government has gone and spent SO MUCH on a 2 week event. The only legacy of it will be;

a) yet MORE investment for London (because the government obviously won't spread the money nationwide, that would be a scandal.

and

b) a few new football fields & tennis courts for East London.

GREAT! :ohno:

Yeah that sounds good.

Birmingham is the largest city in the UK.

:banana::banana:

Lol, technically it is yeah!

Are you actually serious? With both parents working in that sector I can firmly say that's not true at all.

My parents are commercial property lawyers hardly makes me an expert.

Anyway Leeds has the highest number of major law firms, while Manchester has the highest number of smaller firms. Data from the law society.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16215168

Capital of fakery.

Aye, well from memory Cameron actually said Edinburgh was the UKs second financial centre and Brum the second in England - he said this was based on number of people working in these areas whose jobs would be at threat [sic] if the EU imposed the financial regulations.

My point is not that it is important to be second, third or whatever.

It is...

1) People on here are incredibly selective as to how they form their views of the world, disregarding comments that go against their world view and placing over importance in those that do agree with their world view - with no question ever as to any motives for the claim to having been made by claimant.

2) Eastie seems blind to such claims by contributors to this forum from non-Mancs. Always primed (with his multiple accounts) to leap on any questionable Manc forumer yet lets all sorts go from every other forumer. Watching someone quite so obsessed by a place he clearly has serious hatred issues for is amusing. It must really be eating him up in side given the time he spends soley focusing on trying to be negative about all things Manc. Just look bacvk at his posts last week.

Come on Metro, it's money where mouth is time. Identify my multiple accounts.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-16215168

Capital of fakery.

That comment is a bit much coming from the original Fila, Ellesse, Lacoste, Tacchini and Kappa nickers. They weren't fake either.

I've given myself a Christmas present and stuck the obsessed sad f*cker on Ignore.

I suggest others do the same, he can go the same way as Sloyne.

I've given myself a Christmas present and stuck the obsessed sad f*cker on Ignore.

I suggest others do the same, he can go the same way as Sloyne.

I.

Sadly East has taken over from Sloyne. 2 strikes and your out. It was fun East, but now it's just Sloyne-esc.

I'm out as well.

Brian Cox is a true Manc star.

A Night Full of stars on BBC2 has just finished and he was excellent as ever with the odd bigging up of Manchester.

Great brain, great personality.

I've given myself a Christmas present and stuck the obsessed sad f*cker on Ignore.

I suggest others do the same, he can go the same way as Sloyne.

But what about my other accounts? You still haven't identified them. It looks like you don't have any money to put where your mouth is. :lol:

Bet you'll be back when the census results are announced.

If he's put you on ignore then he won't be able to see any of that..

If he's put you on ignore then he won't be able to see any of that..

That is the plan, it has worked with Sloyne, very few people reply to him now.

The same can work with the sad obsessed East as well.

To one and all.

When a certain Monkey comes on here bashing Regional cities, especially one in particular :) about the money they've reeceived fron Central Government, remind him of this. (below)

Don't forget, on top of this you can add the cost of the Olympics.

As handouts go, no other city comes close to London.


Transport spending heavily skewed towards London

Crossrail is one of the biggest infrastructure investments in London

Does the North need more powers?

Grim up north, puzzling down south

The government spends more money on transport projects for Londoners than on those for the rest of the country combined, a think tank says.

The Institute for Public Policy Research North says £2,700 is spent per person in London compared with £5 per head in the north-east of England.

In a report out this week IPPR North says there is a "sharp disparity".

The government says its investment strategy is to maximise economic benefits for the country as a whole.:lol:

'Deeply unfair'
Ed Cox, Director of IPPR North, said: "Skewed spending benefiting London and the south-east is nothing new but these new figures are truly shocking and will strike most people as deeply unfair."

The BBC's Transport Correspondent Richard Lister says the report claims the infrastructure strategy is "entrenching the North-South divide".

IPPR North says almost half of the 20 biggest taxpayer-funded transport projects benefit only London and the south-east.

TRANSPORT SPENDING PER HEAD

London - £2,731
South-east of England - £792
East Midlands - £311
West Midlands - £269
Yorkshire and Humberside - £201
North-west of England - £134
Eastern England - £43
South-west of England - £19
North-east of England - £5
The Department for Transport said London is a global capital which supports a large number of commuters and it points out the government had recently approved additional investment of £1.4bn in transport schemes outside London.

But analysis by IPPR North shows almost half of major transport projects involving public funding benefit only London and the south-east, accounting for 84% of planned spending.

IPPR North says the "cost benefit analysis" equation currently used to decide where investment is targeted is wrong and that lack of spending constrains growth in the north of England.

Mr Cox conceded that much of the spending in London was due to the Olympics but he added: "If the government continue to use a system that reinforces the dominance of London and the south-east we'll all be worse-off in the long-run as the south becomes more congested while the north continues to fall behind in terms of growth."

IPPR North has called for a review of all future infrastructure projects ahead of the 2014 Spending Review.

Hmmm...

- IPPR North: "conceded that much of the spending in London was due to the Olympics" ... making this a non-story to start with.

- Olympic-affected statistics, therefore the difference between regions this year is inflated. After 2012, the true difference between London and the other regions will be more evident.

- Many of London's transport users live outside the London region. These people are not accounted for in the 'per head' statistics.

- Example: the night-time population of the City of London is 11,700. During the working day, the population swells to 330,000. Many of these people live outside London, and are therefore unaccounted for.

- Example: London is the most visited city in the world. The masses (millions) of tourists using the city's transport network are unaccounted for.

- More journeys are made on the London Underground alone than on the entire UK rail network put together.


I'd pay more attention to the whining of IPPR North if they hadn't used such skewed statistics.


Our government's a joke.

Less than 15% of of us live in London, and yet they get much more in terms of handouts. I for one WON'T be watching the commonwealth games next year.

And then people on here wonder why half my school don't know the National Anthem, it's because I (for one) don't feel English at all. To me, not being funny here, to me, England starts north of Birmingham.

Meh.

Brian Cox is a true Manc star.

A Night Full of stars on BBC2 has just finished and he was excellent as ever with the odd bigging up of Manchester.

Great brain, great personality.
Sorry man, Cox was born in Chadderton, which we all know is in Oldham, there’s no way he can claim to be Mancunian.

Hmmm...

- IPPR North: "conceded that much of the spending in London was due to the Olympics" ... making this a non-story to start with.

- Olympic-affected statistics, therefore the difference between regions this year is inflated. After 2012, the true difference between London and the other regions will be more evident.

- Many of London's transport users live outside the London region. These people are not accounted for in the 'per head' statistics.

- Example: the night-time population of the City of London is 11,700. During the working day, the population swells to 330,000. Many of these people live outside London, and are therefore unaccounted for.

- Example: London is the most visited city in the world. The masses (millions) of tourists using the city's transport network are unaccounted for.

- More journeys are made on the London Underground alone than on the entire UK rail network put together.


I'd pay more attention to the whining of IPPR North if they hadn't used such skewed statistics.




Meh.

Now you are massaging the figure.

Do they or do they not spend :
TRANSPORT SPENDING PER HEAD

London - £2,731
South-east of England - £792
East Midlands - £311
West Midlands - £269
Yorkshire and Humberside - £201
North-west of England - £134
Eastern England - £43
South-west of England - £19
North-east of England - £5

Answer yes.

We too have tourists and commuters you know!

FFS.

Does not really matter which way you cut it if you keep on spending as above then you have a dis-United Kingdom.

Stop being an apologist. You have no God given right to hold all the facets of a modern democracy in London> civil service, political bodies.

Most successful countries spread the wealth around to stop this happening. This is making it worse for us all, including Londoners spending vast numbers to ferry people around a shit-hole when many jobs could be in the regions over looking national parks > Cardiff/Manchester/Liverpool/Glasgow/Sheffield/Leeds/Newcastle etc...

National Parks are rubbish Fly, it's might rivers that people need to be looking at Cardiff/Liverpool/Glasgow/Newcastle.

Joking aside your point is extremely valid, the state subsidy to London is horrendous, especially as the nation as a whole does not benefit from it. The UK taxpayer creates a bubble for the wealthy from across the globe to syphen more wealth out of the country.

An internally connected UK with multiple global outward and inward connections would stifle big global corporates ability to cream money, power and wealth away from people using (in many cases unregulated) London, however it would create a more sustainble UK.

Now you are massaging the figure.

Do they or do they not spend :
TRANSPORT SPENDING PER HEAD

London - £2,731
South-east of England - £792
East Midlands - £311
West Midlands - £269
Yorkshire and Humberside - £201
North-west of England - £134
Eastern England - £43
South-west of England - £19
North-east of England - £5

Answer yes.

We too have tourists and commuters you know!

FFS.

Does not really matter which way you cut it if you keep on spending as above then you have a dis-United Kingdom.

Stop being an apologist. You have no God given right to hold all the facets of a modern democracy in London> civil service, political bodies.

Most successful countries spread the wealth around to stop this happening. This is making it worse for us all, including Londoners spending vast numbers to ferry people around a shit-hole when many jobs could be in the regions over looking national parks > Cardiff/Manchester/Liverpool/Glasgow/Sheffield/Leeds/Newcastle etc...

"Per-head" is a misleading statistic when it doesn't take into account any commuters or tourists from outside the region! That's not 'massaging the figures'. That's stating a basic flaw in the IPPR's statistics!

Obviously every region has tourists and commuters from outside the region, but nowhere near the share that the capital receives.

London receives 30 million international tourists per year. Over 1 million people commute into London every day from the Home Counties alone. Are these people accounted for in the 'per head' statistics? No.

Sorry man, Cox was born in Chadderton, which we all know is in Oldham, there’s no way he can claim to be Mancunian.

Did not watch the program did you?

Taking about the best city on earth where Rutherford did much of his important work.
He considers himself a Manc.

Now you’re going to make me explain that I was being sarcastic. I guess I should have used a smiley.

"Per-head" is a misleading statistic when it doesn't take into account any commuters or tourists from outside the region! That's not 'massaging the figures'. That's stating a basic flaw in the IPPR's statistics!

Obviously every region has tourists and commuters from outside the region, but nowhere near the share that the capital receives.

London receives 30 million international tourists per year. Over 1 million people commute into London every day from the Home Counties alone. Are these people accounted for in the 'per head' statistics? No.

And WHY do they commute? Because, since the 80s, the government has built London up through subsidy to become by far the most powerful financial player in the UK. Why won't they do the same to the regional cities (particulary Manchester and Birmingham who have huge commuter belts) so that they too can fulfil their potential and become major players too?

Now you're going to make me explain that I was being sarcastic. I guess I should have used a smiley.

Sorry, me bad.

He was great on the beeb last night and does wonders for peoples interest in science.

Cox is creepy. Why is he always smiling? I think he's furtive.

Jim Al-Khalili is much better, Brian Cox is boring.

Scousers don't like successful Manc shock :lol:

If you find somebody boring, does that mean you don't like them?

He is boring.

And he's from Oldham. Still boring though.

To be fair, he is a particle physicist. At least he’s made some effort to help raise public awareness and interest in science again. He might not have the charisma of Carl Sagan but he’s certainly following in his footsteps for a new generation.

To be fair, he is a particle physicist. At least he’s made some effort to help raise public awareness and interest in science again. He might not have the charisma of Carl Sagan but he’s certainly following in his footsteps for a new generation.


Quite funny that he used to play keyboard for D:ream though!

If he's put you on ignore then he won't be able to see any of that..

Yep I know that, but as my posts are a magnet to him I reckon he won't be able to resist a peek from time to time.

He's only done it because he can't ID the multiple accounts he claims I have. Maybe somebody can ask him if he's put those on ignore as well.

Don't know what's rattled jrb's cage. Maybe it's his way of wishing me a happy christmas.

Perhaps they just forgot this is the city bashing thread. :cheers:

Everyone knows LNG has multiple accounts!

Yep I know that, but as my posts are a magnet to him I reckon he won't be able to resist a peek from time to time.

He's only done it because he can't ID the multiple accounts he claims I have. Maybe somebody can ask him if he's put those on ignore as well.

Don't know what's rattled jrb's cage. Maybe it's his way of wishing me a happy christmas.

Perhaps they just forgot this is the city bashing thread. :cheers:

Dipping my toe in again.

It's not just the bashing thread East, it's every thread, every opportunity, regardless. I wouldn't mind but half the stuff your right is bollocks. It's just petty. Sometimes I wish you would think about things before putting pen to paper. Mediacity is a prime example. The list is endless.

I've nothing against you because sometimes you do come across as being sane and Knowlegable, then you go and spoil it and do a Sloyne without reason.

I know you're not arsed as your crusade is all consuming, but only you and Sloyne are still banging the drum. The rest of us have moved on, and that includes the Liverpool forum members. The war is over.

TBF I've tried. It's been fun at times. Nothing wrong with a bit of light hearted banter, but that post the other day over stepped the mark. After that I can't be arsed anymore. There's a line. You crossed it. Merry Christmas.

Everyone knows LNG has multiple accounts!




WHY ?????????????????????

Dipping my toe in again.

It's not just the bashing thread East, it's every thread, every opportunity, regardless. I wouldn't mind but half the stuff your right is bollocks. It's just petty. Sometimes I wish you would think about things before putting pen to paper. Mediacity is a prime example. The list is endless.

I've nothing against you because sometimes you do come across as being sane and Knowlegable, then you go and spoil it and do a Sloyne without reason.

I know you're not arsed as your crusade is all consuming, but only you and Sloyne are still banging the drum. The rest of us have moved on, and that includes the Liverpool forum members. The war is over.

TBF I've tried. It's been fun at times. Nothing wrong with a bit of light hearted banter, but that post the other day over stepped the mark. After that I can't be arsed anymore. There's a line. You crossed it. Merry Christmas.

Sadly, facts don't recognise lines, they exist both good and bad.

The moral high ground is a lonely and risky place to occupy, careful you don't fall. :goodbye:

Sadly, facts don't recognise lines, they exist both good and bad.

The moral high ground is a lonely and risky place to occupy, careful you don't fall. :goodbye:

If you had the moral high ground, which you never have had, you certainly lost it the other day. Ask any decent minded forum member. Fly safely. We await your return.

If you had the moral high ground, which you never have had, you certainly lost it the other day. Ask any decent minded forum member. Fly safely. We await your return.

I haven't left, so I can't return.

You put me on ignore (is it faulty?) that's why I said goodbye.

WHY ?????????????????????

one for each personality

If you had the moral high ground, which you never have had, you certainly lost it the other day. Ask any decent minded forum member. Fly safely. We await your return.
He's just another soap-dodger jerbs. You have to make allowances. Remember, they're only here for our entertainment. <sneer>

and we all believe reports with a vested interest.

Out of interest, why have none of the Loiners challenged Cameron's comments about Brum being the second financial centre of England?



Because I prefer to look at ABI/BRES stats on sector size, as opposed to the words of a lying, greedy politician trying to curry favour.

Nice try at changing the subject when you were being caned by the Brummies/Scousers, though :)

Anyway as it is christmas and nearly a new year, i think everybody who is on ignore should be re-instated ready for 2012, it is christmas and goodwill to all men and shit like that. Im being serious.

Anyway as there is not much going on this time of the year and not much really to say apart from us squabbling with each other, LOL.

MERRY CHRISTMAS TO YOU ALL AND A VERY HAPPY NEW YEAR.


ps Im not gonna be on this website much now until after christmas/new year.


:cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers::cheers:

I have never used my ignore list. If I don't like what I'm watching on tv I just turn the channel.

Brian Cox may be boring.

But he ain't racist. :lol:

He's just another soap-dodger jerbs. You have to make allowances. Remember, they're only here for our entertainment. <sneer>

How right is the fake Knight?

Always swerve those soaps, can't bear to watch 'em.

Went to Leeds on Tuesday. Got worse if anything.

Went to Leeds on Tuesday. Got worse if anything.

Good to hear.

Hopefully you won't ever return.

Toodles!

Everyone knows LNG has multiple accounts!

LOL when he joined he was up in everyones business, joining in discussions like he had been in these debates for years.

A few commented on it too but I think he denied it.

Although I say he has multiple accounts he posts none stop all day so I'm not sure where he would find the time to log in to other accounts.

You can't even narrow it down to who it could be either. It can't be The Fly, as he can't even string a full sentence together. LNG is still recovering from that time I posted all those jobs figures he didn't believe, 'Yorkshire Post Hoar' I believed he refereed me as. Voldermort is playing the role as queen bitch while juggling the shame of been beaten by Harry Potter.

Good to hear.

Hopefully you won't ever return.

Toodles!

Very harsh!

Tbf, I did quite the little suburb where my friend lived, LS16?

Enough of this bickering anyway, not the time. Until the New Year :cheers:

LOL when he joined he was up in everyones business, joining in discussions like he had been in these debates for years.

A few commented on it too but I think he denied it.

Although I say he has multiple accounts he posts none stop all day so I'm not sure where he would find the time to log in to other accounts.

You can't even narrow it down to who it could be either. It can't be The Fly, as he can't even string a full sentence together. LNG is still recovering from that time I posted all those jobs figures he didn't believe, 'Yorkshire Post Hoar' I believed he refereed me as. Voldermort is playing the role as queen bitch while juggling the shame of been beaten by Harry Potter.
Bless his little inferiority, chip on the shoulder.

Leeds is nothing, on any level, compared with Manchester. Nothing

Arenas
Airports (we have 3 now Woodford is being re-opened to commercial flights-thanks Mr JCB Bamford)
Towers
Office market
Docks
Football
Media
Bio-tech (world HQ of Astra Zeneca)
Cancer reserach (Christie's)
Mass transit system


It is almost laughable, Manchester swamps Leeds, it is pointless to even consider it.

Merry Christmas from BOOM town.

Airports (we have 3 now Woodford is being re-opened to commercial flights-thanks Mr JCB Bamford)


What the hell?! Where did that one slip in?! I swear to god I check this website every day (nearly) and I hadn't heard of that!

You got a link for it, Fly? :)

103837373733; thanks for your little passage about me! Although I'm not really voldemort? :bonkers:

What the hell?! Where did that one slip in?! I swear to god I check this website every day (nearly) and I hadn't heard of that!

You got a link for it, Fly? :)

103837373733; thanks for your little passage about me! Although I'm not really voldemort? :bonkers:

He's stated the runway is staying.

It currently does not allow commercial flights (stopped about 5 years go??) ergo it will be used for commercial flights, now BAe has left.

Simples

Manchester- 2 full length runways (best outside Heathrow)
Woodford- longer than most..including as an example Liverpool's
City Airport-rumoured for Peel expansion (pinch of salt...that's what Peel say about all their land)

So, 4 runways, 3 airports.

Happy days.

Last I heard though Woodford was to be turned into a film studio? No?

Anyway, Woodford is very well connected. Good roads nearby and the railway from Poynton could be extended a lil bit into the heart of the complex. How many flights a day are we talkin'?

Bless his little inferiority, chip on the shoulder.

Leeds is nothing, on any level, compared with Manchester. Nothing

Arenas
Airports (we have 3 now Woodford is being re-opened to commercial flights-thanks Mr JCB Bamford)
Towers
Office market
Docks
Football
Media
Bio-tech (world HQ of Astra Zeneca)
Cancer reserach (Christie's)
Mass transit system


It is almost laughable, Manchester swamps Leeds, it is pointless to even consider it.

Merry Christmas from BOOM town.

.....and Leeds is still a much nicer place to live with fantastic natural beauty on our doorstep, great stately homes, visitor attractions, and superb parks and gardens. Its not all about media, towers, or offices, its about quality of life, and Leeds delivers big city culture, entertainment, shopping, and good transport links along with some of the best and most dramatic scenery in the UK. Whatever you say about Manchester, it cannot compete with "quality of life" Leeds offers its citizens

Apparently having endless inner city slums with no fields in site is a good thing. It might be alright if the areas were nice but judging by the crime and unemployment figures it probably isn't. It doesn't matter though as Manchester is seeing all these fantabulous developments which are sure to boost employment rate.

Remind us again which city was highlighted as the most sustainable with the highest private sector growth expected?

Sorry but this is a City thread.

Most major cities around the world have sprawling suburbs, like Manchester, like Birmingham, like London. In Leeds you can walk out of the city and be chillin' with sheep in 10 minutes time. That's not a "big city" in my opinion, it's a town.

City life is all about not going to the countryside, ever. I haven't been out of the city & suburbs in over a year now. I'll get my first view of the countryside when I'm on the train to Edinburgh in a week's time. THAT'S the city lifestyle.

So yes, sprawling suburbs is a good thing when you're discussing them in a forum dedicated to big cities.

Oh and suburbs don't immediately equal crime either. You can have nice suburbs. Course, a small towner wouldn't know that.

Merry Christmas guys!

And also do you seriously think that Manchester doesn't have parks either!? Heaton Park is one of Europe's largest parks (or something like that) and then we also have the Mersey flood plain with Sale Water Park and Wythenshawe Park. Clifton Country Park provides an excellent base for Loiner wannabees, and they're plenty inner-city parks to keep you busy as well. You only have to look at a map of Manchester to see all the green splodges here and there..

You get me wrong. I just wonder if Manchester NEEDS that many Pitches? Could not more of this be public parkland or a little bit of development? Land Values are going to head right on up when that Line opens.

Edit: Though yes, I do think Manchester lacks a decent sized City Centre park, although I know this is NOT a City Centre location.

Sorry but this is a City thread.

Most major cities around the world have sprawling suburbs, like Manchester, like Birmingham, like London. In Leeds you can walk out of the city and be chillin' with sheep in 10 minutes time. That's not a "big city" in my opinion, it's a town.

City life is all about not going to the countryside, ever. I haven't been out of the city & suburbs in over a year now. I'll get my first view of the countryside when I'm on the train to Edinburgh in a week's time. THAT'S the city lifestyle.

So yes, sprawling suburbs is a good thing when you're discussing them in a forum dedicated to big cities.

Oh and suburbs don't immediately equal crime either. You can have nice suburbs. Course, a small towner wouldn't know that.

Merry Christmas guys!

The biggest and best cities have sprawling suburbs with countryside in between. Go to Toronto, Montreal, Melbourne etc etc. Apart from London, we don't have cities of that size, so in the context of the biggest citeis in the UK, you have to look at Leeds, Manchester, Birmingham, Glasgow, Liverpool. The fact is, Leeds is one of the biggest with well over 700,000 inhabitants. We are NOT gonna start this crazy population banter again, but just get it into your head, whether you like it or not, with its very attractive urban and more rural suburbs, Leeds is in fact Toronto, or Melbourne in minature and that makes for a very attractive city indeed.

Quality of life is subjective. London life for example.

In it...

Look at Frankfurt.

Going by the ideology applied to Leeds this is a an over-sized town.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_G7A_lHrPxBc/TUFTPAxhVAI/AAAAAAAAAMw/f-wcl5ndBNo/s1600/frankfurt-skyline_large.jpg

And also do you seriously think that Manchester doesn't have parks either!? Heaton Park is one of Europe's largest parks (or something like that)

Yes well Leeds parks are bigger, Roundhay Park one of Europe's largest city park, 700 acres, while Heaton is a mere 600 acres.

...i'd just like to also add that therefore, it's a piss poor argument.

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..... suburban green space, thats not allowed in a BIG city. What a load of rubbish. Strangly, Frankfurt is slightly smaller than Leeds in terms of population. (680,000 against 715,000) Seems like a big city to me though, not a town!!

Don't get giddy, Frankfurt's metropolitan population is much higher.

Yes, Frankfurt has a metropolitan area. Something which Leeds doesn't have.










And don't try telling us that Halifax, Huddersfield and Bradford are "part of Leeds".

The biggest and best cities have sprawling suburbs with countryside in between. Go to Toronto, Montreal, Melbourne etc etc. Apart from London, we don't have cities of that size, so in the context of the biggest citeis in the UK, you have to look at Leeds, Manchester, Birmingham, Glasgow, Liverpool. The fact is, Leeds is one of the biggest with well over 700,000 inhabitants. We are NOT gonna start this crazy population banter again, but just get it into your head, whether you like it or not, with its very attractive urban and more rural suburbs, Leeds is in fact Toronto, or Melbourne in minature and that makes for a very attractive city indeed.

Lol.

We've all been over the population and boundary issues many, many, many times before. Leeds is definitely not "one of the biggest" cities in the UK. Leeds is a mid-sized city like Sheffield, Bristol, Portsmouth and Nottingham. It's just not in the same league (population wise) as Manchester, Birmingham, Liverpool and Glasgow - which all not only have much larger city populations but have large metro areas too... Halifax and Huddersfield are not 'Metro Leeds' in the same way that Bury and Rochdale are 'Metro Manchester'.


EDIT - Merry Christmas! Let's not fight... :lol:

Urban sprawl:lol: you can be hiking in the fells just a stones throw from central Manchester
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If you want prosperous places close to the countryside with little urban sprawl I give you Alderley Edge.

Much nicer than anywhere mentioned on here.

I see Halifax had their annual survey of the to 50 places in the UK for standard of life. None were in the north, Wales our Scotland.

If you want prosperous places close to the countryside with little urban sprawl I give you Alderley Edge.

Much nicer than anywhere mentioned on here.

I see Halifax had their annual survey of the to 50 places in the UK for standard of life. None were in the north, Wales our Scotland.

They were all in the South East?

You've only got government to blame for that.

Hart in Hampshire was top, some place in surrey was second.

To be honest, I doubt anywhere in the urban north would have ever been in the top 50 in history.

will see if I can find the report.


http://www.expatforum.com/britain/hart-is-top-place-to-live-in-the-uk-survey-shows.html comes up with a Google search.

Hart in Hampshire was top, some place in surrey was second.

To be honest, I doubt anywhere in the urban north would have ever been in the top 50 in history.

will see if I can find the report.


http://www.expatforum.com/britain/hart-is-top-place-to-live-in-the-uk-survey-shows.html comes up with a Google search.


Well the North was never built to be luxury. Instead they crammed people into as smaller places as possible and then polluted the air around them. Very much working class. Lower classes "owned" by the upper classes (Manchester was the birthplace of Capitalism).

The area around London, however, contains purpose-built manors and stately homes so the rich could leave the city for a weekend or two.

Well the North was never built to be luxury. Instead they crammed people into as smaller places as possible and then polluted the air around them. Very much working class. Lower classes "owned" by the upper classes (Manchester was the birthplace of Capitalism).

The area around London, however, contains purpose-built manors and stately homes so the rich could leave the city for a weekend or two.

To be fair, there are a fair few Statelys dotted about the North. Mill owners did like to rake it in. The South East is something else though...

Also to be fair this continual moaning about London bias by every government is also a tad boring. We live in democracy of sorts, a democracy that allows those in the north a vote just like those on the south.

The way some on here talk it is as if we live in North Korea.

Also to be fair this continual moaning about London bias by every government is also a tad boring. We live in democracy of sorts, a democracy that allows those in the north a vote just like those on the south.

The way some on here talk it is as if we live in North Korea.

Democracy just means the largest group wins.

In addition since when do we have referendums? This country votes on parties not policy.

Democracy is flawed if you do not allow regional devolution.

Those Man City supporters at the Hawthorns yesterday - I wonder which city they were in? Being 5 miles NW of the city centre and about 20 metres outside the city boundary it probably felt like Brum. But of course the fact that the stadium is within Sandwell the mere mention of Brum is illegal lol. That's why the BBC keep pc about it too and droan on about it being somewhere in the "West Midlands". I've heard them say that about Villa Park too which is bizarre.

West Brum Albion ;0)

Normally the Loiners on here that have such issues.

Well the North was never built to be luxury. Instead they crammed people into as smaller places as possible and then polluted the air around them. Very much working class. Lower classes "owned" by the upper classes (Manchester was the birthplace of Capitalism).

The area around London, however, contains purpose-built manors and stately homes so the rich could leave the city for a weekend or two.


Where do you get this stuff from? There was conspicuous wealth all around Liverpool and Chester, the richest toff in the land still lives near Chester, and the Earl of Derby has a Safari Park in his back garden.

Well the North was never built to be luxury. Instead they crammed people into as smaller places as possible and then polluted the air around them. Very much working class. Lower classes "owned" by the upper classes (Manchester was the birthplace of Capitalism).

The area around London, however, contains purpose-built manors and stately homes so the rich could leave the city for a weekend or two.

Even for this forum, that's a good one.

http://pigroll.com/img/stop_this_shit.jpg

Bit of an ill-thought out statement. Head beyond the major cities and there are huge swathes of 'purpose built luxury'. The collection of purpose Victorian spa towns around North and West Yorkshire were built for nothing else other than for leisure, and where wealthy people could reside or go on retreat.

Even the cities themselves, at the time of their industrial boom, were incredibly wealthy. It's reflected in the grandeur of the buildings as in Bradford.

Well the North was never built to be luxury.

That statement makes no sense, just head to a part of cheshire,not far south of Manchester ,Here there are more millionaires per square mile than anywhere else in the UK, and I assume that statistic even includes wealthy parts of London and south east

Manchester was the birthplace of Capitalism.A strange, but predictable, claim especially when you consider that Amsterdam, Genoa, Liverpool, London, Paris, Marseilles, Cadiz, Seville and Barcelona all had stock/commodity/insurance exchanges long before Manchester even started manufacturing goods on an industrial scale. Something like the claim of being the "UK oldest concert orchestra" and we know what happened to that claim.

A bizarre thing to say but the presence of an exchange doesn't = modern day capitalism, especially when those exchanges were highly regulated state-run institutions. Some people say free trade burgeoned in Manchester with the Anti-Corn law movement and the huge unregulated industrial expansion of a place which when it was one of the largest towns in the UK still had the ancient political system of a village. It is another thing entirely to say capitalism was born in a particular place however.

Oh and btw Manchester had an exchange long before it even started manufacturing goods on an industrial scale. The first purpose built exchange in the town opened in 1729. In Elizabethan London's cloth Market there was a hall called the Manchester hall where rich Mancunian merchants would sell goods from south east Lancashire to Londoners and French. People assume Manchester's industry sprang out of nowhere but it had been a successful textile town for centuries, taking over where York left off in the late 15th century, and at all times thriving with this village court leet political system.

A bizarre thing to say but the presence of an exchange doesn't = modern day capitalism, especially when those exchanges were highly regulated state-run institutions.Stock/commodity/insurance Exchange is were goods and/or services are bartered/bought/sold (Exchanged) for money (Capital.)The first "Exchanges" in Britain were in the port cities like London, Bristol, Hull, Liverpool, Glasgow, Dublin, Belfast. The likes of the Manchester's exchange arrived much later and traded cotton which was purchased from and through the Liverpool Cotton Exchange, which, incidentally, was one of the first commodity exchanges in the capitalist world and was the for runner to the Chicago Mercantile Exchange. The cotton exchange in Manchester was less of an exchange and more of a wholesale market. Bristol, London, Liverpool etc., were commercial cities, Manchester was an industrial city. London, Liverpool, Bristol, Hull traded with the world. Manchester traded with it's neighbors. London, Bristol, Liverpool, Hull were likely the first British modern international cities trading on a global scale.

EuxTex - A Texan currently somewhere in the South Pacific who's apparently very interested in northern English cities.

Stock/commodity/insurance Exchange is were goods and/or services are bartered/bought/sold (Exchanged) for money (Capital.)The first "Exchanges" in Britain were in the port cities like London, Bristol, Hull, Liverpool, Glasgow, Dublin, Belfast. The likes of the Manchester's exchange arrived much later and traded cotton which was purchased from and through the Liverpool Cotton Exchange, which, incidentally, was one of the first commodity exchanges in the capitalist world and was the for runner to the Chicago Mercantile Exchange. The cotton exchange in Manchester was less of an exchange and more of a wholesale market. Bristol, London, Liverpool etc., were commercial cities, Manchester was an industrial city. London, Liverpool, Bristol, Hull traded with the world. Manchester traded with it's neighbors. London, Bristol, Liverpool, Hull were likely the first British modern international cities trading on a global scale.

You read what I said didn't you that in Elizabethan London there was a hall in the London cloth market called the Manchester Hall? Of course not, obviously you didn't. But anyway, just in case you decide to drop out of your delusional haze and engage in what we humans call "communication" for a second, here is some clarification for you in English:

...a second, and more important stage was the establishment of regular connections with the London market through dealings with with London freemen, through a factor, or through what was virtually a London branch of a Manchester business. Blackwell Hall, the great cloth mart, had a Manchester Hall for Lancashire goods. Many instances might be cited of London freemen as debtors to Manchester men for goods sold ; and of partnerships or family arrangements with a buying partner in Lancashire and a selling partner in London.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=XAsNAQAAIAAJ&lpg=PA8&pg=PA8#v=onepage&q&f=false


So as you can see, despite the great quasi-scouse act of misinformation decreeing that Manchester has only ever traded with massive wool towns like Oldham and such, "Manchester men" even by the 16th century were all over the place trading. As that book goes onto say famously Mancunian merchant Nicholas Mosley (from the family later of Nazi fame) was incredibly influential in the City and as such was elected Lord mayor of London in 1599.

I don't know what you imagine was being dealt with in Liverpool at this time but it was probably mostly flax from Ireland going to Manchester and maybe some products going from Manchester to Spain. Exports to everywhere else in Europe went from Hull and (mainly) London.

[Elizabethan] Liverpool had a little trade with Spain, exporting Manchester cottons and importing Spanish iron, but its main trade was with Ireland. It exported coal and miscellaneous goods to Ireland, and imported from there chiefly sheep fells and yarn.

Sexy.

The extent to which the trade of Liverpool and Chester was dominated by Ireland is clear from the figures for 1588-9. In that year the two ports together imported from Ireland goods officially valued at £21,017 18s. 10d.; their imports from other places were valued at only £479. Their exports to Ireland, which included 594 tons of coal, were valued at £11,574 1s. 10d. their exports to other places were valued at £705 19s.

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=VQcNAQAAIAAJ&lpg=PA88&pg=PA88#v=onepage&q&f=false


To put that in perspective Mosley, using the money earned in the cloth trade - selling cloth to London and the continent, bought the title of Lord of the Manor of Manchester in 1596 for £3500, about 3 times the value of those Liverpool (and Chester) imports and exports from places other than Ireland in 1588-9.

During this era, Bristol would have dominated the West Coast market. Liverpool grew later.

kids: "Liverpool had little trade with Spain exporting Manchester cotton".Now let me understand this; Cotton is native to tropical and sub-tropical climes and thrives in sandy soil. So this is my dilemma; Which port was this "Manchester cotton" imported through? Was it London, Bristol, Hull, Newcastle, Glasgow? We know it couldn't be Dublin, Belfast, Cork, Limerick or Derry because they would have to transport onward and seaward to England. The only alternative would be through that other Manchester port, the airport:). So, the forgoing notwithstanding, the term "Manchester cotton" is a myth. The cotton exported from Manchester to Spain through the Port of Liverpool was, also, likely imported through Liverpool or, believe it or not, the Port of Chester, from southern Spain or North Africa. It is highly unlikely that other, more distant ports, due to contemporary ground transport, or lack there-of, would have been used. Almost 100% of trade between distant communities within mainland Britain was conducted by sea, the term, "carrying coals to Newcastle" comes to mind and wasn't Cooks ship, HMS Endeavor previously employed in "carrying coals" from Newcastle?
During this era, Bristol would have dominated the West Coast market. Liverpool grew later.True, Bristol was, at that time period, what Liverpool became almost a century later. At first Bristol, Liverpool and London competed for the same trade; slaves, cotton, minerals, timber, tobacco, sugar, spices, dried fruit from abroad and fresh vegetables, meat, livestock, wools (raw and yarn) and passengers from "home and coastal" trade. The latter was usually an after-thought if the captain could find space aboard. Passenger fares, during that time period, were almost always the sole property of the ships captain not unlike deck cargo prior to containerization.

The author didn't mean cottons literally. They're probably using the term colloquially as they would have done at the time as the cloth Elizabethan Manchester was producing was linen made from flax yarn which, yes, would have been imported though Liverpool but from Ireland. Hence -

[Elizabethan] Liverpool had a little trade with Spain, exporting Manchester cottons and importing Spanish iron, but its main trade was with Ireland. It exported coal and miscellaneous goods to Ireland, and imported from there chiefly sheep fells and yarn.

The extent to which the trade of Liverpool and Chester was dominated by Ireland is clear from the figures for 1588-9. In that year the two ports together imported from Ireland goods officially valued at £21,017 18s. 10d.; their imports from other places were valued at only £479. Their exports to Ireland, which included 594 tons of coal, were valued at £11,574 1s. 10d. their exports to other places were valued at £705 19s.

Like I say, it is all very exotic isn't it? ;)

The author didn't mean cottons literally. They're probably using the term colloquially as they would have done at the time as the cloth Elizabethan Manchester was producing was linen made from flax yarn which, yes, would have been imported though Liverpool but from Ireland. Hence -



Like I say, it is all very exotic isn't it? ;)

Ireland was much larger proportionality to the UK in yesteryear as well. Famine and emigration and subsequent UK population growth making the discrepancy much larger in modern times.

http://www.libraryireland.com/articles/LossPopulationOutlookIrelandDunraven/index.php

Any wealth in the Liverpool area prior to construction of the Old Dock, in 1715, would've been old money.

Old money?

Anyway my point is not to needlessly slag off Liverpool, just that on the contrary to what some fairly ignorant Scousers are implying when they say that Manchester is woolyback/mill town, Manchester was a metropolitan place long before Liverpool was. For clarification, I personally have always said that I don't buy these illusions that somehow the history of a place imparts magical qualities on the people who occupy them today and have always pointed out how much more relevant it is that Manchester is quite a bit more metropolitan than Liverpool is now in judging their qualities, which is what we do in these threads for some ridiculous reason.

Speaking of old money I wonder whether EuTex would like to buy a Liverpool half penny that I have for a lot more than it is worth?

The aristocracy, the Molyneuxs and the Stanleys. Manchester and Liverpool were noddy up until to the 18th century, they'd have been as significant as Wigan & St Helens are nowadays.

Ok, maybe a bit before the old dock perhaps, as Daniel Defoe commented on the expansion of the town and he was kicking around in the late 17th and early 18th centuries... point still stands though, Liverpool was a noddy town until late 1600s.

http://www.yoliverpool.com/images/dockhouse/1664.jpg

Liverpool didn't expand until then but Manchester was growing in population even during the 1605 plague. It really was quite a bustling/important town in Lancashire, being the centre of its textile industry, local trade in the hundred and having an important collegiate church. More like a Preston or something.

yep, I don't know much about Manchester's early history in that respect so can't comment (too much), but it wasn't competing with Liverpool back then anyway. Chester was the main port until the Dee started silting up in the late 17th century, and that's when Liverpool took over and boomed.

Put it this way in 1540 John Leland said that Manchester was the "fairest, best builded, quicker and most populous town of all Lancashire," although this was still minute by today's standards, 2-3000 maybe.

Were Liverpool and Manchester ever competing? It always seems fairly obvious to me that they were two cogs in the same machine, and that the only reason Liverpool didn't grow as much as Manchester did in these early years is that it was sharing the trade to Manchester as you say with Chester.

You rely on a man who says "builded"?

It WAS the 16th century.

And I agree with Kids here, I don't understand why the Liverpool and Manchester forumers feel the need to compete. The two cities grew together and off eachother. Manchester made the goods for Liverpool to sell, Liverpool provided the market for Manchester to sell to.