They missed a trick on 28 Days Later - you actually can't see Manchester from the M6 but they could have done a better CGI shot of Brum burning from Spaghetti. The problem with the UK is this South East and North West monopoly on all things tv and movie - does my fucking head in. You're both shitty parts of the UK.

The shot above is actually on a motorway near Milton Keynes. + Most of the actual Manchester shots were filmed at some stately home in one of the Home Counties.

Difference between 'filmed' and 'set in'? I don't know. :)

Maybe explaining that instead of implying things would help. Liar!

They missed a trick on 28 Days Later - you actually can't see Manchester from the M6 but they could have done a better CGI shot of Brum burning from Spaghetti. The problem with the UK is this South East and North West monopoly on all things tv and movie - does my fucking head in. You're both shitty parts of the UK.

Nicer than the industrial hellhole which is the West Midlands. At Least we have some nice architecture.

















Oh No She Didnt!

The UK wouldn't have had an industrial revolution without us! You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs... Honestly the SE and NW are vastly overrated areas and keep relaying the same old bullshit. This country needs a bigger voice than just 3 accents.

Funny how Liverpool is still the most filmed city outside of London in this country. T'aww!

Yes Liverpool folk are regularly featured on crimewatch!

Well actually 28 Days Later came out in 200, so was probably filmed over 2000/2001 and probably planned out as early as 1998/99. I'm not so sure there was much of a film/TV scene in the NW back then. Definitely in the SE, but you can't blame us for that.

I agree the BBC etc do suck up to us a bit, but too many people from Liverpool/Birmingham play the "we're the victims" game. You all think it's one big conspiracy and that Manchester and London are in bed together bitchin' about the other cities :lol: it's all complete bull. Try to work out why Manchester and London are "bummed up to" by the press, without blaming it on government. Maybe we shout louder?

Yes Liverpool folk are regularly featured on crimewatch!

Hahahahaha that made me chuckle! :cheers:

The UK wouldn't have had an industrial revolution without us! You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs... Honestly the SE and NW are vastly overrated areas and keep relaying the same old bullshit. This country needs a bigger voice than just 3 accents.

We cant turn on each other. Liverpool and Birmingham will bring Manchester down. We can do it I know we can!:evil:

Maybe explaining that instead of implying things would help. Liar!

Not sure if you're being serious.

You'll probably find that quite a lot of movies set in a city aren't actually filmed there. Most recently, Manchester was used as the set for New York in Captain America. Sometimes you just can't film in a certain place cause it's too busy or whatever other reason there may be. Like they couldn't close off a motorway into Manchester, so they closed one near Milton Keynes.

Im just being a troll tonight duno why tehehe!

Yes Liverpool folk are regularly featured on crimewatch!


Do TV cameras still use film?

Well actually 28 Days Later came out in 200

Cripes, that's an oldy. Who was the director, Septimius Severus?

Cripes, that's an oldy. Who was the director, Septimius Severus?

:| 2002*

Most recently, Manchester was used as the set for New York in Captain America.

So was Liverpool.

So was Liverpool.

Alright then, and Liverpool.

Alright then, and Liverpool.

Thanks.

The last several comments remind me very much like the pathetic sharks from an old Viz magazine...;)

"remind me very much like"


Dreadful. Go to the back of the class.

Everywhere north of Brum is populated by The Fat Slags and Biffa Bacon types :lol:

This whole site has become a playground. It brings out the worst traits of human nature.

You need to play fifa online. The worst cunts imaginable. All of them.

Well actually 28 Days Later came out in 200, so was probably filmed over 2000/2001 and probably planned out as early as 1998/99. I'm not so sure there was much of a film/TV scene in the NW back then. Definitely in the SE, but you can't blame us for that.

I agree the BBC etc do suck up to us a bit, but too many people from Liverpool/Birmingham play the "we're the victims" game. You all think it's one big conspiracy and that Manchester and London are in bed together bitchin' about the other cities :lol: it's all complete bull. Try to work out why Manchester and London are "bummed up to" by the press, without blaming it on government. Maybe we shout louder?
Comparing Manchester to London all the time like you do just makes you look very silly. You are honestly not doing Manchester or yourself any favours, which is a shame because from my experience Mancunians are nice and sane people. Not sure I can say the same for people on this forum.

Anyway, I hardly ever hear Manchester mentioned on the news or in the media, so I don't think anyone is bumping it up, that's just in your head, and a desperate attempt to use Manchester and London in the same sentence.

Anyway we here in Leeds will start comparing ourselves to Norwich instead. ;)

Was sat on oxford road last time waiting for a bus home... cant remember the rest of the night and how I actually got in my door but Im here now and surprisingly not that hungover .

Anyway having travelled all over town last night from Deansgate, Northern quarter, picadilly gardens etc I was for evermore impressed by my wonderful city.
Gazing above at skyscrapers in many different parts of the city is something you can only do in London and abroad.
An array of impressive skyscrapers scattered across the city is something that makes Manchester unique.

[Open to criticism, go ahead]

Funny, I've been to Manchester before and I never got that impression. I was impressed by Beetham however.

Comparing Manchester to London all the time like you do just makes you look very silly. You are honestly not doing Manchester or yourself any favours, which is a shame because from my experience Mancunians are nice and sane people. Not sure I can say the same for people on this forum.

Anyway, I hardly ever hear Manchester mentioned on the news or in the media, so I don't think anyone is bumping it up, that's just in your head, and a desperate attempt to use Manchester and London in the same sentence.

Anyway we here in Leeds will start comparing ourselves to Norwich instead. ;)

Don't you ever listen to BBC 6 music or 5live or radio 1 or watch BBC news or BBC three? If London isnt mentioned then Manchester is the next on the list nd it goes on at ITV and Channel 4 too. A NW and SE stitch up for the UK. Liverpool gets a good mention a lot too as well as Glasgow and Cardiff sporadically - of course Brum ain't fashionable enough.

I never hear any of these places mentioned. To be fair though they all have important BBC operations.

The one thing I dont like about Manchester is its obsession with being a mini London.

One of the things I love about Manchester is the fact that it is fuck all like London, the only British city that I do not enjoy visiting.

The one thing I dont like about Manchester is its obsession with being a mini London.

Correction.

The only people on this forum who think Manchester is like/has an obsession with being a mini London are some Liverpool forum members.

I've lost count of the continual childish jibes over the years from you know who.

Seeing as it's open season once again.

Some of you are correct.

Sky News Weather.

Manchester is there on the UK map, along with London, Cardiff, Belfast, and Edinbrugh.

Birmingham and Liverpool aren't.

An amazing coup for the city mi thinks.(not really)

Yeah, well done to Manchester for bagging a spot on Sky News Weather. ;)

Its my view on the leaders of Manchester, not particularly the people living in the city.

Seeing as it's open season once again.

Some of you are correct.

Sky News Weather.

Manchester is there on the UK map, along with London, Cardiff, Belfast, and Edinbrugh.

Birmingham and Liverpool aren't.

An amazing coup for the city mi thinks.(not really)

Er yeah, but have you seen the BBC weather map? According to that, they're no cities at all in the North of England! Yay. Even when it zooms in sometimes it shows Wigan instead of Manchester :nuts:

I thought the weather choices were made based on factors other than population? Portsmouth is shown instead of London a lot of the time because of the Ferry Ports.

Sometimes they show Warrington or Wigan instead or Manchester or Liverpool, sometimes they show Harrogate or Doncaster instead of Leeds or Sheffield, they always show Glasgow and Edinburgh.

Its my view on the leaders of Manchester, not particularly the people living in the city.

I don't understand.

HB and RL, as far as I know, have never stated Manchester is London's biatch.

Councillor Pat Karney on the other hand, Manchester city centre party organizer extraordinaire, often states Manchester 'is' the best city in the world, and the centre of the Universe. Of course he is.....(fill in as appropriate)

Of course he is...

only doing his job.

only doing his job.

Exactly Paul.

Some people would say he's lieing though.

Er yeah, but have you seen the BBC weather map? According to that, they're no cities at all in the North of England! Yay. Even when it zooms in sometimes it shows Wigan instead of Manchester :nuts:

It used to show Leeds last year until the graphics were updated.

It still shows Leeds on a regular basis - you should watch it more often.

Exactly Paul.

Some people would say he's lieing though.
Well, he is lying.

But Councillors have to over-exaggerate the truth.

Leeds is the biggest this that and other.

It still shows Leeds on a regular basis - you should watch it more often.

I mean on the bbc weather website where I would sometimes laud it up on here that it only showed the main cities which was Birmingham, Leeds, etc and no Manchester.

Now it doesn't show Leeds or Birmingham and instead shows Manchester :(

Perhaps it was done so those poor souls moving from London BBC feel like they are in an important city.

I really love the way the UK get's a general weather overview, and then London and the South East 'always' get's a detailed weather report. As well as a smiley face and thumbs uip from the weather presenter.

For a s along as I can remember.

Duno how true that is don't they zoom in to each county.

I mean on the bbc weather website where I would sometimes laud it up on here that it only showed the main cities which was Birmingham, Leeds, etc and no Manchester.

Now it doesn't show Leeds or Birmingham and instead shows Manchester :(

Perhaps it was done so those poor souls moving from London BBC feel like they are in an important city.
Oh yes, to fuel the massive egos of obnoxious Londoners who think they are too good for the north? ;)

When did they start showing Manchester on it?

Its always niggled at me that Manchester isn't on bbc news' weather map.

When did they start showing Manchester on it?

Its always niggled at me that Manchester isn't on bbc news' weather map.

It changes regularly. Usually it's the one city in Southern Northern England that'll get shown so York, Sheffield, Bradford, Manchester, Liverpool etc. Although usually it's Manchester or Leeds.

I would agree with most of the things you posted there, a voice of reason finally? Although I would say there are definitely different zones of the city centre and then zones of the inner city and suburbs like oxford road (students) Spinningfields (business) Deansgate and market street (shopping) northern quater (arts, clothes.. more 'indie') China town, chorlton etc etc. I could go on for ages.

I'm certain there are particular zones in Manchester - but to the unfamiliar/visiting eye - there seems to be no distinction, visually or aesthetically, between different areas ( except for Spinninfields & immediately around the cathedral). I found myself wandering along the same roads & streets time and time again - and would not, particularly, have known it - if I had not seen the street signs in question.

I'm pretty sure this must be the the case for any visitor to a strange city - but in Liverpool, for example the different areas/zones are, visually, very different.

1. The Waterfront/Dockland areas.

2. Liverpool One.

3. Church/Lord street.

4. The Business District around Water/Brunswick/Chapel/Castle streets/Exchange Flags.

5. The Ropewalks area around Bold street/merging into China Town- Renshaw/Berry street.

6. William Brown Street/St George's Hall.

7 The Georgian Quarter/University Quarter

8. The Baltic Quarter.

Manchester seems far denser - a lot more crammed into an area; more built up - than Liverpool - less distinguishable 'transition zones' - and so, more disorientating.

This is not, necessarily, a criticism - just an observation.

Good post Jane.
Minor criticism though regarding 3 and 4 under Liverpool.
3.Manchester is known for its spaciousness, there are always people sat all over the public spaces in Manchester, around urbis, picadilly gardens etc. Maybe your didnt visit these places?
4."A better destination for tourists" - I dont agree with that but its all down to preference.
"more relaxed place for children and the elderly/relatives" - Cant fault that. I agree.

Overall a very respectable post.



I really cannot say that I felt Manchester to be at all 'spacious' - although it did have many good and attractive public spaces. Rather, the city seemed to "press in & surround" somewhat - from all directions ( as does your archetypal 'Metropolis').

I did visit Piccadilly Gardens, because I arrived at Piccadilly station, and I would say that this was my least favourite part of the city. Rather than relaxing, I found it a place of transit and somewhat chaotic. I met up with a pair of tourists there - who found it equally as perplexing as myself.

Liverpool is definitely a better touristic destination: more scenic, more obvious things to do & see - and in a more leisurely way.

I detect a put-down in your last sentence - regarding children & elderly relatives! But, the thing is - people like to feel safe, and they like to feel a bit of space around them. On a sunny day - Liverpool feels like being 'on holiday' - with the duckmarine, the ferry, the water, the boats, Chavssse Park - just very leisurely! And that is without mentioning a trip to the beach.

You seem to want to claim everything for Manchester.

Give other cities their due. :cheers:

I'm certain there are particular zones in Manchester - but to the unfamiliar/visiting eye - there seems to be no distinction, visually or aesthetically, between different areas ( except for Spinninfields & immediately around the cathedral). I found myself wandering along the same roads & streets time and time again - and would not, particularly, have known it - if I had not seen the street signs in question.

I'm pretty sure this must be the the case for any visitor to a strange city - but in Liverpool, for example the different areas/zones are, visually, very different.

1. The Waterfront/Dockland areas.

2. Liverpool One.

3. Church/Lord street.

4. The Business District around Water/Brunswick/Chapel/Castle streets/Exchange Flags.

5. The Ropewalks area around Bold street/merging into China Town- Renshaw/Berry street.

6. William Brown Street/St George's Hall.

7 The Georgian Quarter/University Quarter

8. The Baltic Quarter.

Manchester seems far denser - a lot more crammed into an area; more built up - than Liverpool - less distinguishable 'transition zones' - and so, more disorientating.

This is not, necessarily, a criticism - just an observation.

Sorry but still I disagree.

You can tell you're in the gay village (there are loads of gay signs and bars etc)
You can tell you're in China town as everything is in Chinese
Northern quarter with all the older more pre-war/American looking architecture.
Spinningfields as you mentioned
Castlefield architecture and streetscape is very different with all the canals etc.
Cathedral as you mentioned.

I think the problem is these areas are all far away from each other yet all are city centre areas, it would take you a fairly long time to walk round all of them.

I really cannot say that I felt Manchester to be at all 'spacious' - although it did have many good and attractive public spaces. Rather, the city seemed to "press in & surround" somewhat - from all directions ( as does your archetypal 'Metropolis').

I did visit Piccadilly Gardens, because I arrived at Piccadilly station, and I would say that this was my least favourite part of the city. Rather than relaxing, I found it a place of transit and somewhat chaotic. I met up with a pair of tourists there - who found it equally as perplexing as myself.

Liverpool is definitely a better touristic destination: more scenic, more obvious things to do & see - and in a more leisurely way.

I detect a put-down in your last sentence - regarding children & elderly relatives! But, the thing is - people like to feel safe, and they like to feel a bit of space around them. On a sunny day - Liverpool feels like being 'on holiday' - with the duckmarine, the ferry, the water, the boats, Chavssse Park - just very leisurely! And that is without mentioning a trip to the beach.

You seem to want to claim everything for Manchester.

Give other cities their due. :cheers:
I agree with everything said in this post though.
It is not abovious where to go if you want a chilled out city centre park.
Nor obvious where to go and what to see when you arrive, probably because you arrive in the wrong part of the city to find tourist activities.

Piccadilly Gardens is f*cking terrible. I try to stay away as much as I can. It's definitely not a place "to relax"; too full of people. As I said; St Mary's Parsonage is a great place. Or Sackville Gardens and Cathedral Gardens. They're quieter (although Cathedral Gardens can get pretty busy)

I'm certain there are particular zones in Manchester - but to the unfamiliar/visiting eye - there seems to be no distinction, visually or aesthetically, between different areas ( except for Spinninfields & immediately around the cathedral). I found myself wandering along the same roads & streets time and time again - and would not, particularly, have known it - if I had not seen the street signs in question.

I'm pretty sure this must be the the case for any visitor to a strange city - but in Liverpool, for example the different areas/zones are, visually, very different.

1. The Waterfront/Dockland areas.

2. Liverpool One.

3. Church/Lord street.

4. The Business District around Water/Brunswick/Chapel/Castle streets/Exchange Flags.

5. The Ropewalks area around Bold street/merging into China Town- Renshaw/Berry street.

6. William Brown Street/St George's Hall.

7 The Georgian Quarter/University Quarter

8. The Baltic Quarter.

Manchester seems far denser - a lot more crammed into an area; more built up - than Liverpool - less distinguishable 'transition zones' - and so, more disorientating.

This is not, necessarily, a criticism - just an observation.

Jane.

There are plenty of different zones.

Obviously you aren't aware of them, being a stranager to the city/centre.

I would probably think/say the same thing if I went to Liverpool on a day visit, not really knowing the city centre/city.

The Waterfront/Docks and Liverpool 1 spring to mind. After that it's down to a keen eye, some interest, and plenty of walking.

Just to give you an example.

Castlefield.
Deansgate.
Albert Square/St Peter's Square.
CBD.
Northern Quarter/Oldham Street.
Spinningfields.
Oxford Road.
Gay Village.
China Town.
Ancoats/New Islington
Piccadilly
Shudehill/Noma(arf!)
Convention Quarter

Retail core
King Street/St Annes Square
Cathedral Street/Exchange Square
Market Street/Arndale Centre(sick)
Etc.

This is a Visit Manchester city centre map showing 9 zones. http://www.visitmanchester.com/media/115401/pocket%20map%202011_2010.pdf

If you ever come to Manchester again, print it off and bring it with you.

I agree with everything said in this post though.
It is not abovious where to go if you want a chilled out city centre park.
Nor obvious where to go and what to see when you arrive, probably because you arrive in the wrong part of the city to find tourist activities.

I agree. I would not advise anyone to arrive at Piccadilly. I would advise people to get off the train at, either, Deansgate, or at Oxford Rd -and in future this is where I will disembark.

If anyone is interested in an informed tour of Liverpool city centre and its immediate environs, then please let me know! :)

I don't understand why you seem to think Manchester wants to 'claim everything'. If Manchester has a nice park, a bustling centre, etc etc it doesn't mean other cities can't have them. Manchester has a lot going for it and should make the most of it, so does Liverpool but that doesn't mean you should start saying some quality is exclusive to Liverpool or whatever city.

Great cities have qualities similar to other great cities. I love Manchester, and I love and live in Liverpool, and I think the reason I love Manchester so much is because when I walk around where my cousin lives it's just like Liverpool with all the 'auld' red brick. I'm probably a bit over-romantic about it all, I think deep down I think about Liverpool and Manchester as 1870 Victorian towns with poets and social commentators walking around.

I really cannot say that I felt Manchester to be at all 'spacious' - although it did have many good and attractive public spaces. Rather, the city seemed to "press in & surround" somewhat - from all directions ( as does your archetypal 'Metropolis').

I did visit Piccadilly Gardens, because I arrived at Piccadilly station, and I would say that this was my least favourite part of the city. Rather than relaxing, I found it a place of transit and somewhat chaotic. I met up with a pair of tourists there - who found it equally as perplexing as myself.

Liverpool is definitely a better touristic destination: more scenic, more obvious things to do & see - and in a more leisurely way.

I detect a put-down in your last sentence - regarding children & elderly relatives! But, the thing is - people like to feel safe, and they like to feel a bit of space around them. On a sunny day - Liverpool feels like being 'on holiday' - with the duckmarine, the ferry, the water, the boats, Chavssse Park - just very leisurely! And that is without mentioning a trip to the beach.

You seem to want to claim everything for Manchester.

Give other cities their due. :cheers:


Lost all credit there Jane (bold). Very bitter post.
What exactly did I claim?

Its so obvious you dislike Manchester. You claimed to have popped over recently (still a claim) yet you still have a concealed dissaproval of it. Basically you think Liverpool is above Manchester in all departments. Strange way to promote your city to be honest.

Sorry, but stick to what you do best, taking photos of your city.:applause:
Dont engage in a discussion when you clearly have an underlying hatred for a certain city. Whats the point?



I don't understand why you seem to think Manchester wants to 'claim everything'. If Manchester has a nice park, a bustling centre, etc etc it doesn't mean other cities can't have them. Manchester has a lot going for it and should make the most of it, so does Liverpool but that doesn't mean you should start saying some quality is exclusive to Liverpool or whatever city.

Great cities have qualities similar to other great cities. I love Manchester, and I love and live in Liverpool, and I think the reason I love Manchester so much is because when I walk around where my cousin lives it's just like Liverpool with all the 'auld' red brick. I'm probably a bit over-romantic about it all, I think deep down I think about Liverpool and Manchester as 1870 Victorian towns with poets and social commentators walking around.


^^ This post is applaudable, mentions both cities on a neutral perspective whilst giving a creditable judgement. Most scousers on this part of the forum are the same.

If you dont like Manchester for reasons that cannot be mentioned just put it on your signature along with all the other wums.

I don't understand why you seem to think Manchester wants to 'claim everything'. If Manchester has a nice park, a bustling centre, etc etc it doesn't mean other cities can't have them. Manchester has a lot going for it and should make the most of it, so does Liverpool but that doesn't mean you should start saying some quality is exclusive to Liverpool or whatever city.

Great cities have qualities similar to other great cities. I love Manchester, and I love and live in Liverpool, and I think the reason I love Manchester so much is because when I walk around where my cousin lives it's just like Liverpool with all the 'auld' red brick. I'm probably a bit over-romantic about it all, I think deep down I think about Liverpool and Manchester as 1870 Victorian towns with poets and social commentators walking around.

I was responding to SS's post - he didn't seem able to consider that Manchester might not feel the most 'spacious' city. It does not feel spacious and it is not as good a tourist or visitor experience as Liverpool.

It seems that unless someone is totally in love with Manchester, then they must hate it - rather ridiculous.

My observations and post were far more objective and generous than most most Mancunians on this forum would make about another city - if they could be bothered to do as I did.
I've even created a Manchester photo showcase - check it out. I purposely picked the nicest and most interesting things to show. Manchester, as I said, has its merits - as do all cities.

What seems to be sticking in the throat of some is the possibility of accepting that Liverpool may have more to offer in other, very different respects.

Jane.

There are plenty of different zones.

Obviously you aren't aware of them, being a stranager to the city/centre.

I would probably think/say the same thing if I went to Liverpool on a day visit, not really knowing the city centre/city.

The Waterfront/Docks and Liverpool 1 spring to mind. After that it's down to a keen eye, some interest, and plenty of walking.

Just to give you an example.

Castlefield.
Deansgate.
Albert Square/St Peter's Square.
CBD.
Northern Quarter/Oldham Street.
Spinningfields.
Oxford Road.
Gay Village.
China Town.
Ancoats/New Islington
Piccadilly
Shudehill/Noma(arf!)
Convention Quarter

Retail core
King Street/St Annes Square
Cathedral Street/Exchange Square
Market Street/Arndale Centre(sick)
Etc.

This is a Visit Manchester city centre map showing 9 zones. http://www.visitmanchester.com/media/115401/pocket%20map%202011_2010.pdf

If you ever come to Manchester again, print it off and bring it with you.

Oh!

I forgot to mention.

Take a very short tram ride(10 minutes?) from the city centre to Salford Quays/Mediacity. There you will find an enviroment similar to the waterfront in Liverpool. Open, spacious, quiet, etc. Add to that the Lowry centre, IWMN, and Mediacity(tour), and you'll have plenty to see and do at your own leisure.

It's a great contrast to the constant hustle and bustle that 'is' Manchester city centre.



http://www.webbaviation.co.uk/gallery/d/45139-2/SalfordQuays-eb35633.jpg?g2_GALLERYSID=909ae55ac2ee28b6529bc4e7aa218346

Sorry for peppering you Jane.

Did you manage to get to Castlefield by any chance?

http://www.webbaviation.co.uk/gallery/d/1659-1/castlefield-aerial-c8691.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/dO8Am.jpg

http://www.allposters.co.uk/-sp/Canal-and-Lock-Keepers-Cottage-at-Castlefield-Manchester-England-UK-Posters_i6069714_.htm

The whole area on the edge of the city centre is a hidden gem, with plenty to see and do. It's similar in someways to the Quays. Quiet, leafy, and surrounded by water.(canals) TBH not many touriists know about it or find it.

Tourists are generally quite lazy aren't they? They tend to stick to the main tourist zones/shopping areas. Those that make the effort and walk further afield always get rewarded.(or mugged on very rare occasions)

What about Parsonage Gardens or St John's Gardens, both off Deansgate?

http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/02/76/82/2768275_51280723.jpg

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6191/6029656517_d43c526a65_b.jpg

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5023/5607009164_36950546bb_b.jpg

http://www.flickr.com/photos/pascalvenier/5607009164/

http://manchesterhistory.net/manchester/tours/tour3/area3page17.html

Now this really is a hard to find. Tucked away behind St John Street.(below)

St John's Gardens.

http://www.fortnightproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/St-Johns-Gardens.jpg


http://www.webbaviation.co.uk/gallery/d/24542-1/stjohnspark-ba25911.jpg

http://www.saybat.co.uk/street4.jpg

Every city in ther world has hidden gems.(especially Spanish cities) Oasis of peace and quiet. You've just got to find the little buggers. :)

^^I have not been to Salford Quays for quite a number of years - and so have not seen the Media city development. I will make the effort next time I visit.

No, I did not make it to Castlefield - but your images show it to be an interesting area - which I will also make the effort to visit.

I agree that visitors and tourists tend not to stray from the obvious and predictable areas; I would say that most visitors to Liverpool never make it past the Waterfront & docks and Liverpool One. But many/most local people are just as limited in their experience & knowledge of their own city. I recall overhearing a conversation once in which someone was telling their friend that they "hadn't been up Bold Street in years..." :nuts:

People's habits tend to be repetitive and quite restricted. I imagine that a sizeable percentage of the population in Liverpool have never walked down Water Street, sat in Exchange Flags, or would even knew that The India Building existed; or visited Hope Street; or knew that The Victoria Museum & Gallery existed and was open to visitors.....

During my visit to Manchester, I did ask several people for advice and suggestions - but found that this met with confused looks. I'm glad I took the one piece of advice I was given which was to visit the John Ryland Library - this is a fantastic building, in terms of its interior. The person giving the suggestion had not visited it himself though!

I'm just like you and many others, an Urban Trawler.

I love nothing more than walking around Manchester city centre on my day off taking pictures. TBH I concentrate on new buildings going up, construction sites, and the streetscape.

I keep on saying it, but one day I will go back to Liverpool again. It's changed sooooo much since my last visit.

The football fixtures have been kind though. Liverpool away on the 25th of August. Might make a day of it. A walk around the Waterfront/city centre and then off to Anfield. :cheers:

I'm just like you and many others, an Urban Trawler.

I love nothing more than walking around Manchester city centre on my day off taking pictures. TBH I concentrate on new buildings going up, construction sites, and the streetscape.

I keep on saying it, but one day I will go back to Liverpool again. It's changed sooooo much since my last visit.

The football fixtures have been kind though. Liverpool away on the 25th of August. Might make a day of it. A walk around the Waterfront/city centre and then off to Anfield. :cheers:

But don't forget that the city centre is more extensive than just the Waterfront and the main shopping areas. Have you ever visited William Brown Street & St George's Hall? The Georgian Quarter around Hope Street?
The Ropewalks area around Bold Street?

I always think that a visit to Liverpool is not complete without a drive through one or other Mersey Tunnel: The Wirral is ,effectively, a Liverpool suburb and has some lovely attractions & beaches; plus, you must take a Merseyrail train to Hall Rd and visit Crosby Beach and The Gormley figures. Plus the restored festival gardens and Otterspool promenade are just a short drive away too...

You require a plan of action and a proper guide - and a day without other commitments such as getting a beating at Anfield :cheers:

I'm just like you and many others, an Urban Trawler.

I love nothing more than walking around Manchester city centre on my day off taking pictures. TBH I concentrate on new buildings going up, construction sites, and the streetscape.

I keep on saying it, but one day I will go back to Liverpool again. It's changed sooooo much since my last visit.

The football fixtures have been kind though. Liverpool away on the 25th of August. Might make a day of it. A walk around the Waterfront/city centre and then off to Anfield. :cheers:

Me and the chaps will take you for a pint! Mathew Street Festival that weekend, nothing official on the Saturday but the buzz and vibe will be in place.

But don't forget that the city centre is more extensive than just the Waterfront and the main shopping areas. Have you ever visited William Brown Street & St George's Hall? The Georgian Quarter around Hope Street?
The Ropewalks area around Bold Street?

I always think that a visit to Liverpool is not complete without a drive through one or other Mersey Tunnel: The Wirral is ,effectively, a Liverpool suburb and has some lovely attractions & beaches; plus, you must take a Merseyrail train to Hall Rd and visit Crosby Beach and The Gormley figures. Plus the restored festival gardens and Otterspool promenade are just a short drive away too...

You require a plan of action and a proper guide - and a day without other commitments such as getting a beating at Anfield :cheers:

I actually made the effort to visit these places, quite nice. St Georges Hall felt like a stately home (and I like the way the tube station is built into it).

What about Parsonage Gardens or St John's Gardens, both off Deansgate?

http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/02/76/82/2768275_51280723.jpg


There is a model of this in the MOSI.

Something to do with it's basement leading directly to a wharf on the Irwell I think.

Really? Why?

That building was designed by Harry S. Fairhurst who also designed this opposite:

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2788/4311249183_64b2f82e9c_b.jpg

and this to the right:

http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/02/76/83/2768301_99ec4ca4.jpg

..and these elsewhere:

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5216/5458048622_6845713ae2_b.jpg

http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/02/76/31/2763148_7021af03.jpg

http://s0.geograph.org.uk/geophotos/02/79/15/2791505_e59d50f5.jpg

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3477/3985909897_c200296350_z.jpg

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2507/3845662881_6ffde9fe1a_b.jpg

There is some quality inter-war commercial architecture in Manchester @ Jane

and there was almost a skyscraper (of sorts) at Lee house:

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/4507LeeHouseExtension_pic3.jpg

Now, why can't we have more Harry S Fairhursts around? Some of my favorite buildings in Manchester are listed up there. I assume he's unfortunately dead? We sooo need an Art Deco revival. :)

This thread needs more discussion about Liverpool and Manchester

This thread needs more discussion about Liverpool and Manchester

We are the best cities in the country :banana::banana:

We are the best cities in the country :banana::banana:

Yes we are. If I wasnt a manc (crys at the thought) I would probably choose to be from a nice area of Liverpool where the accent isnt as phlegmy.
No other provincial city can compete with Liverchester. Music, sport, fashion etc...

I just love the vibe you get on a night out in Manchester when the likes of the Smiths, Roses and Oasis are being blasted in clubs. There is no better feeling.
I imagine the same in Liverpool with the Beatles.

Everywhere else bar the capital is culturally deprived.

Brighton? Bristol?

Yes we are. If I wasnt a manc (crys at the thought) I would probably choose to be from a nice area of Liverpool where the accent isnt as phlegmy.
No other provincial city can compete with Liverchester. Music, sport, fashion etc...

I just love the vibe you get on a night out in Manchester when the likes of the Smiths, Roses and Oasis are being blasted in clubs. There is no better feeling.
I imagine the same in Liverpool with the Beatles.

Everywhere else bar the capital is culturally deprived.

Interesting

Yes we are. If I wasnt a manc (crys at the thought) I would probably choose to be from a nice area of Liverpool where the accent isnt as phlegmy.
No other provincial city can compete with Liverchester. Music, sport, fashion etc...

I just love the vibe you get on a night out in Manchester when the likes of the Smiths, Roses and Oasis are being blasted in clubs. There is no better feeling.
I imagine the same in Liverpool with the Beatles.

Everywhere else bar the capital is culturally deprived.

You are not doing yourself or your fellow Mancunians any favours at all whatsoever. You're like the EuxTex of Manchester.

You are not doing yourself or your fellow Mancunians any favours at all whatsoever. You're like the EuxTex of Manchester.

In other words your jealous.

That post was purely based on my experience of both Liverpool and Manchester compared to my experience of Leeds, Brum and other UK cities. They don't have that same vibe in my opinion. I'm not fiddling with facts, not being abusive just telling the truth mate.

On the other hand Leeds has a good student vibe.

You're stating an opinion.

I assume you haven't been to either Glasgow or Edinburgh then. Bristol too. Oxford? Cambridge? The list is endless. Manchester and Liverpool have excellent music scenes but other cities have good points too.

You're stating an opinion.

I assume you haven't been to either Glasgow or Edinburgh then. Bristol too. Oxford? Cambridge? The list is endless. Manchester and Liverpool have excellent music scenes but other cities have good points too.

Yes but he was stating which ones in his opinion are the best, why should he mention others if he doesn't think they have the same 'feeling' or whatever. If I say I think Beetham is the best skyscraper in the country followed by St Mary Axe (not true but whatever) I don't need to list every other good skyscraper in the country do I?
Stop winging.

You're stating an opinion.

I assume you haven't been to either Glasgow or Edinburgh then. Bristol too. Oxford? Cambridge? The list is endless. Manchester and Liverpool have excellent music scenes but other cities have good points too.

Been to the ones in bold and still had nothing on Liverchester when it comes to musical culture.

Edinburgh is beautiful and a must visit but the nightlife seemed dull.
Bristol is a nice looking city, the people seemed very friendly but I was excited to see the clifton suspension bridge and that was it.
Oxford was interesting.

The thing is Liverpool and Manchester have the gritty feel to them. More so Manchester with all the red brick and mills which reflects the tough upbringings of many musicians from each city. It just makes the history of the two more fascinating. Which is one of the reasons Manc and Liv attract so many more tourists than places like Leeds (which struggle).

Leeds hardly struggles. It doesn't get as many as Liverpool or Manchester, but that's a far cry from 'struggling'.

It still attracts more than York.

There's more to cities than just music. Edinburgh is absolutely teeming with culture and is arguably the most beautiful city in the country. Oh, it is the second most visited city in the country, and the only other city besides London to attract more than 1 million a year.

Bristol also has Clifton, probably the most consistantly beautiful inner city district outside of the rich bits of London.

There's more to cities than just music. Edinburgh is absolutely teeming with culture and is arguably the most beautiful city in the country. Oh, it is the second most visited city in the country, and the only other city besides London to attract more than 1 million a year.

Recent figures show that Manchester attracted about 1.1 million last year.

Also, if you compare these figures with figures from the last decade or so, it appears that Manchester could overtake Edinburgh in the next few years.

Manchester and Edinburgh are also very close in finance, too.

Everywhere else bar the capital is culturally deprived.

- European Capital of Culture
- Unesco City of Music
- One of the largest creative industries in the country
- The busiest museums and galleries outside London
- Various Turner prize winners
- Our most famous son was an architect/artist
- Glasgow School of Art is world-renowned in the field

I don't really know why I'm arguing with someone who thinks listening to Oasis in a club amounts to culture, but I think Glasgow's credentials easily rival Manchester or Liverpool's.

Yeah I wouldn't bother indiekid. Manchester certainly lacks when it comes to major art galleries. Although there's a great art scene here still.

Your all jel cos Leeds has its own repertory theater, opera house and ballet companies.

Thats a pretty big fail for Manchester and Liverpool..

http://forgifs.com/gallery/d/128085-6/Table-dancing-fail.gif

Yes we are. If I wasnt a manc (crys at the thought) I would probably choose to be from a nice area of Liverpool where the accent isnt as phlegmy.
No other provincial city can compete with Liverchester. Music, sport, fashion etc...

I just love the vibe you get on a night out in Manchester when the likes of the Smiths, Roses and Oasis are being blasted in clubs. There is no better feeling.
I imagine the same in Liverpool with the Beatles.

Everywhere else bar the capital is culturally deprived.

100% agree!

Not been to Glasgow but I get the feeling that city can be included as well.

As if, as if Manchester and Liverpool are on some higher plain of cultural activity to other places.

Liverpool and Manchester are famous for a certain type of music but if you don't like the Beatles, Oasis, The Smiths, Gerry and the Pacemakers, Cilla Black, Sonia or The Reynolds Girls, then neither Liverpool or Manchester will do much for you.

Liverpool and Manchester are famous for a certain type of music but if you don't like the Beatles, Oasis, The Smiths, Gerry and the Pacemakers, Cilla Black, Sonia or The Reynolds Girls, then neither Liverpool or Manchester will do much for you.


...Space, the Las, the Farm, Stone Roses, Frankie Goes to Hollywood, New Order, Echo and the Bunnymen, Paul McCartney, John Lennon, George Harrison, Happy Mondays, Sir Simon Rattle, Russell Watson, the Bee Gees, John Murphy, Johnny Marr .....


my top Manc tunes... :hug:

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To be fair, there's not that much variation in terms of music there, most of it's sort of indie-pop stuff.

Both can claim an influence in terms of dance music, Liverpool had Cream, Manchester had the Hacienda.

My top manc tune

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There's no denying Liverpool and Manchester together have churned out more bands than just about anywhere else but it will only interest you if you like mostly 60s and early to mid-90s pop/indie rock bands. And Take That.

Other cities have had their own various music scenes too - Bristol with trip hop, Birmingham with heavy metal, Coventry's Two Tone/ska etc. It all depends on what genre of music you like.

Northern soul started in the north west too....wigan pier and the twisted wheel showcased this music

Other cities have had their own various music scenes too.But only one UK city and one group defines "popular" music and all subsequent "groups" are defined, and judged, by that one group.

Stockholm?

Abba?

Stockholm?

Abba?Comparing ABBA to the Beatles is like comparing a Gypsy Moth to an Airbus A380., or Stockholm, in popular musical fame, to Liverpool. But a nice try, not.:ohno:

Move over Sloyne, there is a challenger (TheFly) for "shite posting".

Birmingham?

Black Sabbath?

Birmingham?

Black Sabbath?Read above post #18099. Please don't become another 'TheFly', surely one is enough?

Read above post #18099. Please don't become another 'TheFly', surely one is enough?

Nobody's saying that they have the influence of the Beatles, you complete and utter prick, they're saying other cities have bands with mass appeal and significant influence.

Black Sabbath certainly go down as one of the most influential in their genre.

Plus I'm a huge metal fan, the influence if Black Sabbath is like nothing else to me.

Nobody's saying that they have the influence of the Beatles, you complete and utter prick.And you, stereotypical uncouth Scouse, neither did I. This is what I wrote. But only one UK city and one group defines "popular" music and all subsequent "groups" are defined, and judged, by that one group.

And you, stereotypical uncouth Scouse, neither did I. This is what I wrote.

Eh? He's a wool from Hull.

Eh? He's a wool from Hull.

an uncouth Wull

And you, stereotypical uncouth Scouse, neither did I. This is what I wrote.

Popular music is broad term, any music which sells millions of records is popular. Black Sabbath are a group synonymous with heavy metal, and are certainly more definitive of it than The Beatles are.

Black Sabbath are a group synonymous with heavy metal, and are certainly more definitive of it than The Beatles are.

The Beatles weren't smellies at all!

an uncouth WullSorry, however I was right about him/her being uncouth. Right?

A Leeds tune I can't get enough of

4vepElEgTQU

I like how EuxTex manages to take the attention away from Leeds and creates his own little arguments out of nowhere... :lol:

I like how EuxTex manages to take the attention away from Leeds and creates his own little arguments out of nowhere... :lol:You are, obviously, confused. I was replying to a claim by Butterfield and the usual Manc belligerents responded with total "shite", The Fly in particular, then the "Bionic ear" (Awayo) put in his usual little snide dig. Still confused Aaronj?

Think I'm in love with the vocalist too, let's see:

http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/86/657aac6aa2904ba4bfa2fb01a4b5bd76/l.jpg

http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/70/14eb6b96725e4d5fb9c50ba09ee0b0ed/l.jpg

http://www.ldpix.co.uk/wp-content/gallery/outlook-festival-2010/outlook-2010-submotion-orchestra-ldpix-chris-hoyle.jpg

yep.

http://thebeatlesneverexisted.com/

:lol:

If the Beatles never existed.... there'd be no need for Karaoke retro bands like Oasis

If the Beatles never existed.... there'd be no need for Karaoke retro bands like Oasis

If Leeds never existed there would no worries over the proposals of student buildings throughout the country. No one would've known how bad they can actually turn out.

I said it.

If the Beatles never existed.... there'd be no need for Karaoke retro bands like Oasis

The Beatles? I thought it was these guys that influenced Oasis!


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:)

The Beatles? I thought it was these guys that influenced Oasis!


Them too.:)

Neil Innes, an English musician and humorist who worked with Monty Python and formed spoof Beatles band the Rutles, sued Oasis for using the melody of his 1973 song How Sweet To Be An Idiot on their 1994 Britpop hit Whatever. Innes was awarded royalties and a writing credit, while the irony of Oasis being sued by a Beatles satirist was particularly delicious.

Think I'm in love with the vocalist too, let's see:

http://a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/86/657aac6aa2904ba4bfa2fb01a4b5bd76/l.jpg

yep.

Lovely, I'll keep a lookout for her!!

I think some of Brum's artists have been pretty inspirational - you can't go wrong with Robert Plant, Steve Winwood, Jeff Lynn, Nick Drake, Kevin Rowland and Fyffe Dangerfield for modern times.

Daft I know, but I actually preferred the Ruttles over the real thing! :lol:

At the back of my mind, i have always thought,
Cheese and Onion....

Them too.:)

'How sweet to be an idiot' was Neil Innes, not The Rutles.

:cheers:

http://www.squaremeal.co.uk/feature/the-hit-list-uk-2012

Brum, Edinburgh, Merseyside and Sheffield in the top 50 restaurants outside London.....

Daft I know, but I actually preferred the Ruttles over the real thing! :lol:

That doesn't surprise me, none of them were from Liverpool after all.

Daft I know, but I actually preferred the Ruttles over the real thing! :lol:

The Rutles.:)

Manchester forumers are obsessed with Leeds.

Went on the Manchester sub forum and the amount of references to Leeds supposed dire architecture is untrue. Apparently every new build in Manchester is better than anything in Leeds.

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/fake%20laugh/grand/fake-laugh-eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf3-632.gif

Probably because there are a fair few sh*t buildings being built...

Probably because there are a fair few sh*t buildings being built...

What buildings are they?

Manchester forumers are obsessed with Leeds.

Went on the Manchester sub forum and the amount of references to Leeds supposed dire architecture is untrue. Apparently every new build in Manchester is better than anything in Leeds.

http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/fake%20laugh/grand/fake-laugh-eccbc87e4b5ce2fe28308fd9f2a7baf3-632.gif

You went on to the Manchester sub forum and had to post this..,

That looks awful sorry.

What Urban splash has been doing in Sheffield/Leeds looks much better and the Leeds one has recently won an award.

just to try and even the 'obsessed' comments out.

From what 'I' recall there was '2'.(obsessed) Posts. 606 and 608. http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=594502&page=31 One which I agreed with.

Now remind us again how many times you've compared Leeds to Manchester when it comes to retail(arcades), Law, Arenas, and Banking.

Pot, kettle, black.

Type "Manchester" into Advanced Search and search in the Leeds and Liverpool subforum. Hilarious.

Scousers are all on there like "whaaaaaaaaaa it's a conspiracy ehhhhh whaaaaaaa I have a high pitched scouse accent".

and the Loiners are constantly comparing everything with Manchester; even the Yorkshire Post does it. Then Di Livio (leg end) sets everyone straight by dissing Leeds.

We've had this argument before, but when it comes to old and new builds, Manchester pisses all over Leeds. But go ahead, post a zillion pictures of old and new buildings in Leeds and try once again to convince us.(and again)

The difference is, when a poor quality building is proposed or built in Manchester, we don't shy away from telling the truth. Some of you lot, the usual suspects, can never bring youselfs to admit how poor some of your new builds are in Leeds.

What buildings are they?

New Wakefield and first street.

We've had this argument before, but when it comes to old and new builds, Manchester pisses all over Leeds. But go ahead, post a zillion pictures of old and new buildings in Leeds and try once again to convince us.(and again)

The difference is, when a poor quality building is proposed or built in Manchester, we don't shy away from telling the truth. Some of you lot, the usual suspects, can never bring youselfs to admit how poor some of your new builds are in Leeds.

Whaaaa?!?!?

Apart from Lad 2011 we all admit sky Plaza, Opal, West Point etc is crap no one denies it.

Lad 2011 loves everything! :)

This was your reply to my post, 2702.(absolutely no mention of Leeds in any context) http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=525420&page=136

Eurrgh I so want Wellington Place to begin, it blows any of these proposals on here out of the water.

No seriously, are you for real? Your Leeds-Manchester obsession is bordering on insane. You need some professional help.

You went on to the Manchester sub forum and had to post this..,

just to try and even the 'obsessed' comments out.


Needed to put dem bitches bak in der place.

You went on to the Manchester sub forum and had to post this..,
just to try and even the 'obsessed' comments out.
From what 'I' recall there was '2'.(obsessed) Posts. 606 and 608. http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=594502&page=31 One which I agreed with.

Now remind us agin how many times you compared Leeds to Manchester when it came to retail(arcades), Law, Arenas, and Banking.

Pot, kettle, black.

Just no. I compare Leeds to whatever on the city talk forum not the Leeds threads. Besides the statistics show Manchester is the logical choice for comparison, for example the latest statistics showing the offices that are moving from London it went 1.) Edinburgh 2.) Manc 3.) Leeds.

As previously said it looks like something proposed for Leeds. Horrible.

Correct.

These are not 'Manchester buildings' in any sense of the word.

It seems MCC have become lazy and are allowing anything through due to the on-going economic downturn, as long as property developers guarantee a start on the proposal.

When you make silly points like this is somewhat undermines your supposed vast knowledge of new builds in Leeds. All student towers are clad in plastic I'll remind you!

Whaaaa?!?!?

Apart from Lad 2011 we all admit sky Plaza, Opal, West Point etc is crap no one denies it.

Lad 2011 loves everything! :)

Here we go again dragging me into your silly arguments.

for the record I actually hate Opal Tower. Sky Plaza is not a bad tower though, and as for West point that is just an average looking Apartment Block - hardly offensive

This was your reply to my post, 2702.(absolutely no mention of Leeds in any context) http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=525420&page=136



No seriously, are you for real? Your Leeds-Manchester obsession is bordering on insane. You need some professional help.

It wasn't in reference to you it was the 'Manchester powering ahead' response.

The world doesn't revolve around JRB

Needed to put dem bitches bak in der place. :)



Just no. I compare Leeds to whatever on the city talk forum not the Leeds threads. Besides the statistics show Manchester is the logical choice for comparison, for example the latest statistics showing the offices that are moving from London it went 1.) Edinburgh 2.) Manc 3.) Leeds.





When you make silly points like this is somewhat undermines your supposed vast knowledge of new builds in Leeds. All student towers are clad in plastic I'll remind you!

That is commenting on one proposal, on one thread. People mentioned Leeds because it looks like something that would be built in Leeds. Simple.

That is commenting on one proposal, on one thread. People mentioned Leeds because it looks like something that would be built in Leeds. Simple.

What buildings are you refering to in Leeds? Most likely the Opal turd 3

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/2267Opal3_pic2.jpg

^^

What a beaut

Needed to put dem bitches bak in der place. :)



Just no. I compare Leeds to whatever on the city talk forum not the Leeds threads. Besides the statistics show Manchester is the logical choice for comparison, for example the latest statistics showing the offices that are moving from London it went 1.) Edinburgh 2.) Manc 3.) Leeds.


No, your first and foremost comparison is 'always' Manchester. It's a f***ing disease. Seek some professional advice and help will you.


When you make silly points like this is somewhat undermines your supposed vast knowledge of new builds in Leeds. All student towers are clad in plastic I'll remind you!


My comments regarding Manchester weren't solely about 'student towers'(or Leeds) you..... They were about new proposals in Manchester. Anyway, what do you know about buildings in Manchester? Don't bother.

It wasn't in reference to you it was the 'Manchester powering ahead' response.

The world doesn't revolve around JRB

Dear God!!!

Please highlight where the words 'Manchester powering ahead' are in my post. I've quoted it for you.

The next Machester city centre location be developed? Opposite Spinningfields.

That's 5 in total.

COOP-NOMA.
Ask-First Street.
Realty Estates-BBC HQ/Oxford Road
Scarborough Development Group-Middlewooed Locks
?-Quay Street.

Place North West.

http://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/assets/_files/cached/img/402x239.28571428571/jun_12/pnw__1340988234_ITV_Aerial_photo.jpg

Bidding closes for ITV site

29 Jun 2012, 17:49


The deadline for best bids for the prime 14 acres of land owned by the commercial broadcaster in the centre of Manchester closed at 5pm on Friday.

Among the names being linked with the development opportunity are Greater Manchester Property Venture Fund, Orbit Developments, Ikea Pension Fund, Bion Group and Genr8.

The sale is being handled by Adam White at Jones Lang LaSalle, who declined to comment on Friday.

Market rumour is that offers will come in at around £20m. As well as the size of the cheque, JLL will assess any conditions attached to the bids and any overage clauses to give ITV further payment if the site is later sold on again.

Plans for the regeneration of the site were endorsed in principle by Manchester Council's executive committee this year. The development framework for the site, written by Drivers Jonas Deloitte, includes up to 1m sq ft of office space, a prime residential district anchored by the conversion of the former Bonded Warehouse and extension to the existing St John Street district, envisioned as a new Harley Street of the North.

The development area includes the current Coronation Street set, the fate of which remains up in the air. A recent application for a heritage listing for the set failed. A new set is being built in Trafford.

Drivers Jonas Deloitte was assisted by EPR Architects, Jones Lang LaSalle, Waterman Boreham, Gardiner & Theobald and Buro Happold.

ITV is relocating to Media City UK, the Peel development in the Quays of Trafford and Salford.

Does he actually know he's doing it, or is it second nature to him?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/Leeds_Met_buildings_including_the_Plaza_Tower.jpg
https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ83of8dR_C3a3uJAy1sKpbuMQtxAbHGApGCgpGtL2yS8yfC6wW

And yes ofcourse opal 3 :)

Type "Manchester" into Advanced Search and search in the Leeds and Liverpool subforum. Hilarious.

Scousers are all on there like "whaaaaaaaaaa it's a conspiracy ehhhhh whaaaaaaa I have a high pitched scouse accent".

and the Loiners are constantly comparing everything with Manchester; even the Yorkshire Post does it. Then Di Livio (leg end) sets everyone straight by dissing Leeds.

I think you'll find it's actually about two people. But no Volde, just make some stupid xenophobic "joke" to try to make your point :ohno:

Dear God!!!

Please highlight where the words 'Manchester powering ahead' are in my post. I've quoted it for you.



Does he actually know he's doing it, or is it second nature to him?

As I said the world doesn't revolve around you.

Where did I say it was in reference to your posts.

Moving along.

As I said the world doesn't revolve around you.

Where did I say it was in reference to your posts.

Moving along.

I wish you would.

Just before you do.

Straight after my post and the article about Granada/Quay Street.

You then posted.

Eurrgh I so want Wellington Place to begin, it blows any of these proposals on here out of the water.

The relevence to my post and the article is?

You're right, it's not about jrb.

It's about 10123 and his constant obsession and comparisons between Leeds and Manchester. And there's the proof ^^, right before your very eyes.

Who gives a shit guys?

Who gives a shit guys?

Obviously not you ill tonkso. :lol: At least it's in the correct thread for once.

I think you'll find it's actually about two people. But no Volde, just make some stupid xenophobic "joke" to try to make your point :ohno:

He's a dickhead who doesnt deserve anybody's response.

He's a dickhead who doesnt deserve anybody's response.

But he's not though. He's actually a fairly decent kid. It's a shame to see him dropping to the level of the people he dislikes.

But he's not though. He's actually a fairly decent kid. It's a shame to see him dropping to the level of the people he dislikes.

Have you seen his posts for the past 2 weeks or so? Basically when he changed to VDB. Hes been pissing me off since then with his attitude and crass nature about people who dont live in Manchester. Also, with his arrogant, show off posts when something is going on in Manchester like its better than everywhere else. He is not better than the posters he argues with.

I admit I often get very carried away on here. Not sure why to be honest, if anyone disses Manchester in real life I actually go with it and complain about it too.

And yes ofcourse opal 3 :)

Yeah Opal 3 and Plaza Phase 1 are terrible, but i disagree about Bridgewater place... it is actually better than CIS and City Tower imho.

BWP looks very city of London

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5105/5739531447_86d8471ef4_b.jpg

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3140/5739988126_165d063785_b.jpg

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3067/5739975544_e5eae5166f_b.jpg

Yeah Opal 3 and Plaza Phase 1 are terrible, but i disagree about Bridgewater place... it is actually better than CIS and City Tower imho.

BWP looks very city of London

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5105/5739531447_86d8471ef4_b.jpg

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3140/5739988126_165d063785_b.jpg



I disagree, I think it looks tacky. I would much rather have CIS or City Tower on the Manchester skyline.

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/164CityTower_pic1.jpg
http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/118CISTower_pic44.jpg


http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/734BridgewaterPlace_pic21.jpg

Best to view BWP in reality.

That picture of BWP you posted isn't exactly a good picture of it...

I think i will agree to disagree as i think both CIS and City Tower are poor in comparison, but i still like CIS. I hate City Tower though.

CIS is awful, it looks like it needs a good wash. And the cladding of the tower looks to be solar panels which never looks good.

As with BWP you need to see both for real. The CIS is actually huge and cladding doesn't appear to be a matter strangely when you're standing looking at it. I love City Tower personally, but I can see why some don't. All that stuff on the top, etc

I have seen it in reality and to be honest I thought that picture I posted put it in a better light than in reality.

I love the CIS, its as brilliant inside as it is on the outside as well :). Yes it is clad in solar panels which I think is pretty cool.

I don't really have much of an opinion on City Tower, its just a boring slab but its less offensive than Bridgewater place.

Solar panel cladding is awful, we have one in Leeds. It makes it look like the cladding needs to be applied and thats the underlayer. CIS looks like it needs a good scrub the window frames looks grubby. City Tower looks fine from the front, the sides though looks awful along with the dishes at the top. BWP looks like a multi storey car-park. Its got a nice base though, the glass entrance is pretty cool.

Solar panel cladding is awful, we have one in Leeds. It makes it look like the cladding needs to be applied and thats the underlayer. CIS looks like it needs a good scrub the window frames looks grubby. City Tower looks fine from the front, the sides though looks awful along with the dishes at the top. BWP looks like a multi storey car-park. Its got a nice base though, the glass entrance is pretty cool.

I agree with the side view of City, looks horrible from China Town and Oldham St.

BUT looks amazing from King St.

No the solar panels look good! They're a great improvement on what was originally bare concrete and for an added bonus they save electricity :).

I love CIS! It and the Co-op's new HQ are two of my favourite Manchester buildings.

I admit I often get very carried away on here. Not sure why to be honest, if anyone disses Manchester in real life I actually go with it and complain about it too.

Well behave from now on! :lol:

BWP looks like it belongs in a Scandinavian city. Sweden maybe? Alongside the 'turning torso'.

Can't beat Bridgewater place's lighting scheme on a night

Only the Spinnaker can offer something similar

Some night time views of Bridgewater place from the Sky Bar on this video.

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I don't really care for CIS, the service tower makes it look too cumbersome for my liking. City Tower is great though. They should have recladded the sides in black instead.

http://i509.photobucket.com/albums/s339/jonsargisson/_DSC3321.jpg

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radioassets/photos/2006/9/22/3850_2.jpg

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5090/5258892586_7d6543946f_z.jpg

The Spinnaker is truly magnificant at night. The Electric Ribcage.
1GWQ isn't bad either.

(that last pic is probably the best photo this thread has ever seen)

Spinnaker is so cool!

I really hope Peel come up with something like it for Liverpool/Wirral Waters.

It's like the Barack Obama of the UK Skyscrapers. Undoubtedly cool.

pssst, it's not a real skyscraper!

Still taller than Beetham :troll:

http://lounge.moviecodec.com/images/attachment/i-get-tired-22666.jpg

http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/28268172.jpg

Stick Beetham and Spinnaker Tower on top of one another and you get Emley Moor Tower. As my incredible photoshopping demonstrates:

http://i45.tinypic.com/2ngzio6.jpg

There's the proof.

Yep, the spinnaker does look great there.
BWP changed Leeds forever..nice comparison with the 'turning torso' Saul
the curved metallic front gives it the profile of a huge ocean liner not from this angle tho http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/2946/bwpgwharf873copy.jpg
it really impresses at night, the 'side panels' look bladerunner-esque
http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/7676/bwpwaterlacy.jpg
not the old style oblong box shape, the profiles look interesting/different from all sides
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/7582/bwpfholbeck69.jpg
It does resemble a Dalek from the side..a bit
http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/9643/bwpholbeck001copy.jpg

I really like BWP Place from Granary Wharf. Overall though I can definitely see why people don't like it, reminds me of some 80's American block.

http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2661/5801242286_01fd5475f4_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jonfarman/5801242286/)
Granary Wharf, Leeds (http://www.flickr.com/photos/jonfarman/5801242286/) by namraf (http://www.flickr.com/people/jonfarman/), on Flickr

I do like BWP, it makes a change from the usual box-shaped talls.

I dislike how the expensive materials are arranged in such an unattractive way. The massing (general shape) of the building is terrible when viewed from the side. If it was curved on both sides instead of its slanted back it would look better in this respect.

Edit: something like this:

http://i46.tinypic.com/2wrf1x2.jpg

Please ignore the hastily made sky

It's still perhaps the largest office block, in city centre (not business park) in England outside London> sq footage?

I like the shine, better than dull brick we seem to love.

Yeah Opal 3 and Plaza Phase 1 are terrible, but i disagree about Bridgewater place... it is actually better than CIS and City Tower imho.

BWP looks very city of London

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5105/5739531447_86d8471ef4_b.jpg

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3140/5739988126_165d063785_b.jpg

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3067/5739975544_e5eae5166f_b.jpg

I think Bridgewater Place is a beautiful building and looks different from different angles. It’s one of the alternatives looking skyscrapers in the UK and it would look great in any city including London!

In regards to comparing with CIS Tower and City Tower, both are different kinds of skyscrapers to Bridgewater Place and look different to it. They give a different feel. Both of these have the traditional skyscraper look. Both look big and great on the skyline.

The City Tower in Manc is OK, I'm usually more drawn to the Mercure hotel building next door and the strange podium below it... makes me think of a spaceport dreamed up by a 60s sci-fi writer or something!

http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/12089083.jpg

The City Tower in Manc is OK, I'm usually more drawn to the Mercure hotel building next door and the strange podium below it... makes me think of a spaceport dreamed up by a 60s sci-fi writer or something!

http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/12089083.jpg

That's the kind of feeling I get. It looks like a spaceship.

Stick Beetham and Spinnaker Tower on top of one another and you get Emley Moor Tower. As my incredible photoshopping demonstrates:

[IMG]http://i45.tinypic.com/2ngzio6.jpg

There's the proof.

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

although if you put Beetham and Spinnaker on top of each other it would be taller than Emely moor 330m v 340m

Hudderrsfield has the worlds 24th tallest tower:banana:

The City Tower in Manc is OK, I'm usually more drawn to the Mercure hotel building next door and the strange podium below it... makes me think of a spaceport dreamed up by a 60s sci-fi writer or something!

http://mw2.google.com/mw-panoramio/photos/medium/12089083.jpg


:yes:

Belfast Hospital is the best spaceport

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/90/Belfast_City_Hospital.jpg/448px-Belfast_City_Hospital.jpg

Wow!!

It's the Borg.

I wonder whether we getting to the stage now where there are fewer hang-ups about brutalist architecture generally and people are beginning to see the craft and beauty in some of it? I hope so.

Huddersfield has the worlds 24th tallest tower

The Wikipedia entry is misleading... 'tower' does not include skyscrapers or phone masts, just observation towers like this one.

:yes:

Belfast Hospital is the best spaceport

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/90/Belfast_City_Hospital.jpg/448px-Belfast_City_Hospital.jpg

Reminds me of this in Castleford

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bradford/content/images/2006/10/02/external_first_465x370.jpg

Everyone is welcome to tease us Leeds forumers for this thread on 'your Leeds F1 race route'

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1526265

Because we all know that F1 needs to leave Silverstone and come to Yorkshire.

Just been looking at flats in Manchester for less then I have been paying per month in Portsmouth. You guys are taking the piss, we get royally ripped off down south, seriously. For what I can pay 600 quid a month for in a decent bit of Manchester, I am looking at 1000 quid in Portsmouth, 1500-2000 in London.

We talk about the North/South Divide, well here is the flipped side of the coin.

On the flip flip side, my Dad moved from Manchester to Lincolnshire a few years back and was able to make a sizeable profit on selling his 2 bed semi in Worsley and buying a 5 bed detached with huge garden and stunning views in Lincolnshire.

How come you're moving up Tonks? :)

Might be, might have a Job.

Just been looking at flats in Manchester for less then I have been paying per month in Portsmouth. You guys are taking the piss, we get royally ripped off down south, seriously. For what I can pay 600 quid a month for in a decent bit of Manchester, I am looking at 1000 quid in Portsmouth, 1500-2000 in London.

We talk about the North/South Divide, well here is the flipped side of the coin.

And Manchester is more expensive than other northern cities.
£800 seems to be the cheapest monthly rent for a decent ish 2 bed flat in the city centre. An equivalent size and location in Liverpool would be more like £650. My mates pay £650 for a 2 bed, 2 bath in the centre of Nottingham.

You can find some interesting views form apartments on right move..

One looking over some grass in Leeds.

http://media.rightmove.co.uk/27k/26198/33140878/26198_113499_IMG_00_0003_max_620x414.JPG

Just been looking at flats in Manchester for less then I have been paying per month in Portsmouth. You guys are taking the piss, we get royally ripped off down south, seriously. For what I can pay 600 quid a month for in a decent bit of Manchester, I am looking at 1000 quid in Portsmouth, 1500-2000 in London.

We talk about the North/South Divide, well here is the flipped side of the coin.

join the club of relocated southerners! :okay:

You can find some interesting views form apartments on right move..

One looking over some grass in Leeds.

http://media.rightmove.co.uk/27k/26198/33140878/26198_113499_IMG_00_0003_max_620x414.JPG
lovin' that view!
+floodlit 5 aside footy pitch in front of the old lifting tower..

Just been looking at flats in Manchester for less then I have been paying per month in Portsmouth. You guys are taking the piss, we get royally ripped off down south, seriously. For what I can pay 600 quid a month for in a decent bit of Manchester, I am looking at 1000 quid in Portsmouth, 1500-2000 in London.

We talk about the North/South Divide, well here is the flipped side of the coin.

Close to Manchester Airport & Altrincham, with easy access into city centre .....
http://www.jackson-stops.co.uk/cgi-bin/properties/summary-details.pl?propID=42112

Yours for just £20,000 pcm

Close to Manchester Airport & Altrincham, with easy access into city centre .....
http://www.jackson-stops.co.uk/cgi-bin/properties/summary-details.pl?propID=42112

Yours for just £20,000 pcm

That is a hotel.

Do these people have harems?

Assuming a married couple with two kids, what is the point of all that? How much gym equipment do you need?

Crazy.

That's like a oil barons shagging pad.

Reminds me of this in Castleford

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bradford/content/images/2006/10/02/external_first_465x370.jpg

I think this is where doka_dan must have been born.

Just been looking at flats in Manchester for less then I have been paying per month in Portsmouth. You guys are taking the piss, we get royally ripped off down south, seriously. For what I can pay 600 quid a month for in a decent bit of Manchester, I am looking at 1000 quid in Portsmouth, 1500-2000 in London.

We talk about the North/South Divide, well here is the flipped side of the coin.

Yeah exactly why live in the south. definitely can have a better lifestyle up here - with some great major cities to choose from ( Leeds, Manchester, Liverpool )

Boom!

Here we go, on the march as predicted....you aint seen nothing yet: Metrolink,Northern Hub, Manchester City, BBC move, ITV relocation, Airport City...this is only going one way and will be awesome to watch..

It's official: Manchester is Britain's boom city
Amanda Crook and Deborah Linton

July 17, 2012

Population soars in Britain's boom city
Manchester has cemented its place as Britain’s most thriving city after its population grew by a fifth over the last decade.

The Census has revealed Manchester’s 19 per cent population growth to be almost three times more than the national average/b].

And it shows that the number of [b]20 to 30-year-olds coming to the city has soared, with 123,600 living here compared to 78,301 10 years ago.

The Census, taken last year, records Manchester’s population as 503,100 - an increase of 80,400 since the last survey in 2001. It is the third biggest rise in England - and the biggest percentage growth for a city - behind the London boroughs of Newham and Tower Hamlets.

The council says the figures show its regeneration efforts have transformed Manchester into a thriving place to live and work. Experts say the huge increase is due to a hike in the number of people travelling from other parts of the country to study and work in Manchester, as well as people coming to the city from Europe and elsewhere.

Manchester council leader Sir Richard Leese said: “A growing population reflects a thriving city so it is excellent news that more people are seeing the attractions of Manchester as a place to work, live and invest.

“Manchester had undergone a long period of population decline but the reversal of this trend in the last decade is a testament to the way the city has established itself as a world-class international city. Population growth brings with it many opportunities but the challenge ahead is to ensure that we have the services and infrastructure which meet the needs of the growing population so that the city can reach its full potential.”

Elsewhere in the region Salford, Trafford, Bolton and Wigan saw increases in line with the national average of seven per cent.

There were smaller rises of around three per cent in Bury, Rochdale, Tameside and Oldham.

The number of people living in Stockport fell by 0.5 per cent.

In Manchester, the birth rate has also increased, with 36,400 children aged four or under recorded last year compared to 24,693 in 2001. The number of over-65s has bucked the national trend, failing to rise despite an ageing population nationally.

Only nine per cent of Manchester’s residents are retirement age.

Dr Steve Millington, an expert in human geography at Manchester Metropolitan University, said it was good news for the city.

He added: “Not only are they attracting more people, those people are of working age so as long as they do work they will fuel the local economy and start to balance out the deprivation in the city. However the city must also make provision for the growth of the population by increasing healthcare, school places and other services. The next step for the council is to make sure they retain older working people within the city boundaries, by creating attractive neighbourhoods with larger houses close to the city boundaries rather than building more high-rise apartment blocks.”

He warned that numbers could fall when students are faced with rising university tuition fees from September. Town hall bosses had aimed to increase the city’s population to 480,000 by 2015. The Census results show they have already surpassed that.

The M.E.N. revealed last month that Manchester is expecting to have another 80,000 residents by 2027.

Nationally, the Census records the largest growth in numbers in any decade since records began, the Office for National Statistics said. There were 56.1m people living in England and Wales on the day of Census – March 27 last year – an increase of 3.7m since 2001, when there were 52.4m.

The total population figure was about half a million bigger than estimates had shown a year earlier. The Census paints a picture of an ageing population with one in six people in England and Wales in 2011 aged 65 and over.

Across England and Wales 430,000 people were aged 90 and over, compared with only 13,000 when the Census was carried out 100 years earlier in 1911. The number of women over 90 was 315,000, nearly three times higher than the number of men over that age, at 114,000.

The average age of the population has increased to 39 in 2011, up from 35 in 2001 and 25 in 1911. But there was also an increase in the number of under fives, with more than 400,000 more in 2011 than in 2001.

Town hall bosses who dared to dream

Manchester has been unashamed in its ambition to grow into a world class city, which is why those at the top of the town hall will be over the moon with the endorsement the Census provides.

The figures have exceeded the expectations of even the most senior officers and politicians and show that what Manchester sets its mind to, it achieves.

The fact that our population boom is almost three times the national average is a reflection not only of the city's many parts – public and private sector, education, culture – but of the way they work together to create a place where people want to be.

The biggest growth includes the graduate age range and age of young professionals which shows that working with universities and businesses to combat 'brain drain', and preventing the best talents heading south, is also paying off.

There is no doubt that growth on a major scale was planned for and necessary – Manchester's record for regeneration over the past 15 years has been a shining example of urban rebirth. But it would be naive to pretend the city has been completely prepared in every way.

The pressure of a bigger than expected population swell has been felt in the demand for housing, school places and healthcare – a problem exacerbated, since 2008, by the recession and cuts in government funding.

Thousands of people are on housing waiting lists while the rental sector in the city centre cannot keep up with demand, from graduates and young professionals in particular – the very people the city has sought to attract. Meanwhile, the effect on primary schools has left parents battling to find places for their children and the town hall is having to think quick to come up with enough desks.

Confirmation of the scale of Manchester's growth will prove a valuable tool when it comes to securing future funding from government and creating the neighbourhoods needed to ensure that those are problems of the past when we celebrate another boom in 2022.

Why our city is now the place to be:

Airport
From Amsterdam to Barcelona, every world class city has a world class airport – and Manchester has worked hard to join that elite league. More major airlines than ever are now flying from Manchester – opening up a wealth of new routes and opportunities to attract visitors and investors to the city. Despite the recession, passenger figures remain strong, rising by over five per cent in the last year to 19.4m. Bosses have embarked on a campaign to win back long-haul travellers from London airports – introducing more direct flights to far-flung destinations. Growth has also been fuelled by services to the United States and Middle East. And the transformation from Manchester Airport from a regional transport hub into a world class international business destination in its own right is set to be sealed by the £650m Airport City development. The project will create up to 20,000 jobs over the next 15 years.

Business
Developing the growth industries of the future has been key to attracting more people to live and work in Manchester. The city has long proved itself to be ahead of the game in that respect, first as the birthplace of the Industrial Revolution and later as a world-leading centre for science and discovery that became home to the likes of atomic theorist John Dalton, physicist James Joule and the team behind the first stored-program computer. In recent years, city leaders have worked to nurture the sectors that will not only attract new people to Manchester but encourage others to stay, including those graduating from university. One key example of that is professional services, covering law firms, accountancy practices and banks. With more than 250,000 people working for 26,000 different companies across Greater Manchester, it now accounts for more than 20 per cent of all employment in the city region.
The digital and creative industries are also vital, with the development of MediaCityUK and other sites like the Sharp Project. Those plotting Manchester's future prosperity have also singled-out advanced manufacturing and biomedicine as key sectors for the future, with developments like The Corridor, in the city centre, and the University Hospital of South Manchester's MediPark scheme key to this strategy.

Music
Music fans choose to live in Manchester simply because there is so much going on – from the multitude of smaller live music venues, through the eclectic club scene, to the Manchester Arena, which is guaranteed to secure a slot with every big name on tour. The city has been a hive of musical activity since the beat boom of the 1960s. But the rule of thumb before the late Tony Wilson and others launched the independent Factory Records in 1979, was that, at the first whiff of success, the Manc pop star would decamp to the south. If Factory's acts, such as Joy Division, tended to highlight the industrial grimness of Manchester, its maverick business model was a ray of sunshine for many Mancunians inspired to join the creative industries. Another Factory enterprise, the Hacienda became, in the late 1980s, officially, the coolest club in the world, spawning another generation of Manc music stars such as the Happy Mondays. Then from 1989, when the Stone Roses' debut album was released, through the 1990s, when Oasis bestrode the pop world like a colossus, Manchester was it.
Londoners, the rumour went in the mid-1990s, were even feigning Manc accents. The legacy of so much Manchester music – from the giddy pop of Take That to the miserablist pinings of The Smiths – has resulted in a burgeoning live music scene that can not be heard anywhere else.

Sport
Wherever you went in the world and said you were from Manchester, up until City's astonishing revival, you were associated with United or indeed Sir Bobby Charlton.
Now, however, City have joined United in being a worldwide force and together, the big two have made Manchester the undisputed sporting capital. But its not just the Reds and Blues - Greater Manchester boasts the highest density of professional football in the world. There is also the two top Rugby League teams at Wigan and Salford together with the Rugby Union giants Sale Sharks. County cricket champions Lancashire Cricket Club are also just around the corner from the more famous Old Trafford home of United.
In fact, all sports be it squash, athletics, cycling, swimming or tennis have tip-top facilities thanks in part to the legacy from the 2002 Commonwealth Games.


Boom!

Manchester's percentage growth is mostly down to its very constrained boundaries though. If you use the Manchester+Trafford+Salford definition that government agencies use to make the city comparative with Birmingham or Leeds the whole number increases to about 125,000, but that's about 13% compared to Birmingham's 9% increase and Leeds 5%.

God. How embarrassing are the Manchester Local Rags!!

Anyway.

Manchester population BOOMED by 80,400
Birmingham population rose by 88,000.

So Birmingham is actually 7,600 people bigger than BOOM TOWN MANCHESTER than it was 10 years ago.

Great article :lol:

Not even checked Portsmouths yet. Not bothered, we are doing well enough that we dont need to justify it with numbers.

Not even checked Portsmouths yet. Not bothered, we are doing well enough that we dont need to justify it with numbers.

It's up about 20,000.

Leeds' population growth was poor at just 5%, although the entire urban area grew by around 8%.

Liverpool has seen population stagnation in the last ten years as predicted, with growth in the central area but overall stagnation due to population decline in the wider area.

Fantastic news for Manchester. It really is booming

Liverpool has seen population stagnation in the last ten years as predicted

Arf!

My guess would be



liverpool area - significant population decrease

It's up about 20,000.

You have me interested now, I want to check to see if the Metro area has finally broken 500k. (Wikipedia has it listed as 1.5 million.... er... no)

God. How embarrassing are the Manchester Local Rags!!

Anyway.

Manchester population BOOMED by 80,400
Birmingham population rose by 88,000.

So Birmingham is actually 7,600 people bigger than BOOM TOWN MANCHESTER than it was 10 years ago.

Great article :lol:


Well considering "Birmingham" covers around twice the area as "Manchester" and contains nearly twice as many people, in real terms doesn't that mean "Manchester" has increased at around double the rate? I used speech marks because I'm assuming the Birmingham figure relates to the local authority like Manchester's figure does, rather than the cities themselves.

You have me interested now, I want to check to see if the Metro area has finally broken 500k. (Wikipedia has it listed as 1.5 million.... er... no)That's not for Portsmouth, it's for the entire South Hampshire metropolitan area, combining the populations of Portsmouth, Southampton, Winchester and all nearby towns (Eastleigh, Gosport, Fareham, Waterlooville etc.)

ill tonks - a cursory look at the data suggests that Portsmouth, Havant, Gosport and Fareham now have a population of around 520,000. Is that what you meant?

Interesting week our do for peoples predictions going up the spout.

Be it census figures or those annual CACI retail spend (other than London most places dropping about 25% on last year) it seems that some people have taken the gumph on here as being meaningful.

Collapsing retail spend and the accelerated difference in population in the south compared to there north will no doubt be ignored whilst the latest vanity projects will continue to have their importance blown out of all proportion.

God. How embarrassing are the Manchester Local Rags!!

Anyway.

Manchester population BOOMED by 80,400
Birmingham population rose by 88,000.

So Birmingham is actually 7,600 people bigger than BOOM TOWN MANCHESTER than it was 10 years ago.

Great article :lol:

Lol. Seriously?

Father Ted moment coming up. Near and Far away.

Brum 1m people + 88,000
Man 500,000 up 80,000


Do the math sunshine.

Tower Hamlets had the largest growth in England, must be an amazing place, ranked right up there along with other great places like Newham and Manchester.... :)

Anyway, the GM and WM regions both experienced very similar growth of 200,000 and 190,000 respectively, so at this rate GM might eventually overtake WM in about 60 years.

Tower Hamlets being the location of Canary Wharf and significant residential development in the previous decade.

Either way, the south is becoming more populated much quicker than the north, expect a bigger division in a declining government spending between the north and south as time progresses.

BTW in Greater Manchester the highest growth seems to be in the more urban authorities such as Trafford, Salford and Manchester suggesting those in those areas are having more kids and increasing quicker than the more rural authorities for whatever reason.

Do hope the primary urban area figures are updated with the figures that will come out in years to come, I suspect the Manchester will have got bigger, physically.

Tower Hamlets had the largest growth in England, must be an amazing place, ranked right up there along with other great places like Newham and Manchester.... :)

Anyway, the GM and WM regions both experienced very similar growth of 200,000 and 190,000 respectively, so at this rate GM might eventually overtake WM in about 60 years.

I thought the gap between GM and WM was tiny anyway?

What are the new totals?

You can find them on here somewhere http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/guide-method/census/2011/index.html

Tower Hamlets being the location of Canary Wharf and significant residential development in the previous decade.


But also one of the most deprived areas of the UK with 57% of children living in poverty.. not really sure why anyone would want to relocate there unless you're a businessman with money to burn so you can buy a luxury Canary Wharf apartment.

Also, expect people from Manchester to start using local authorities to their advantage while the people of Leeds actually use its large boundaries as the reason why its population is not increasing! An interesting turn of events.

But also one of the most deprived areas of the UK with 57% of children living in poverty.. not really sure why anyone would want to relocate there unless you're a businessman with money to burn so you can buy a luxury Canary Wharf apartment.

Also, expect people from Manchester to start using local authorities to their advantage while the people of Leeds actually use its large boundaries as the reason why its population is not increasing! An interesting turn of events.

There's spin, and there's spin.

I thought the gap between GM and WM was tiny anyway?

What are the new totals?


2001 2011 Growth
GM 2,482,352 2,682,500 200,148
WM 2,555,596 2,738,100 182,504
Diff 73,244 55,600 -17,644

But also one of the most deprived areas of the UK with 57% of children living in poverty.. not really sure why anyone would want to relocate there unless you're a businessman with money to burn so you can buy a luxury Canary Wharf apartment.

Also, expect people from Manchester to start using local authorities to their advantage while the people of Leeds actually use its large boundaries as the reason why its population is not increasing! An interesting turn of events.

Really, which Manc had used the local authority as meaning anything meaningful?

Or are you just making stuff up again?

Well if you go back to the previous page you'll see the article Fly posted labeling Manchester as a 'boom city' or whatever.. even though people usually hate the City of Manchester.. only Greater Manchester should be used. NEVER the City of Manchester. :)

Well if you go back to the previous page you'll see the article Fly posted labeling Manchester as a 'boom city' or whatever.. even though people usually hate the City of Manchester.. only Greater Manchester should be used. NEVER the City of Manchester. :)

I won't see anything from fly as he is on ignore because he is an idiot.

Oh I see, that makes sense. :D

LNG Cats thinks UNited are going bust.

He is a cretin?

Many logins, same person...a tame Eurotex/Sloyne.

Stats is his bag. Maths isn't.

Cus ignoring makes you right! Feckin tool.

the number of 20 to 30-year-olds coming to the city has soared, with 123,600 living here compared to 78,301 10 years ago.


So that's another reason for me to not go to Manchester. Lytham St Annes is where it's at. :rock:

Snapshot of the City of Manchester.

There's 4 Eastern European families livinging in my Mum's Avenue.

Levenshulme is a Romanian enclave.

Poles, Somalis, Pakistanis, etc.

X's that by the rest of the City of Manchester and it probably explains why the population has increased so much over the last 10 years.

I don't know, but I'm 99% sure MCC agreed to take a large precentage of EU migrants in return for Government(Labour and the coalition).......(fill in as appropriate)

Does it not suggest that as we all get poorer more people flock to the larger urban areas in search of work?

Well it hasn't worked out well for Leicester or Bradford.

Leicester's not that bad, some nice areas and perhaps my favourite city for nice parks in the city centre. Don't know Bradford well enough, but some lovely buildings there, probably the most quintessentially Yorkshire in terms of look.

Well I mean overall they're not economically strong, wages are low, skills are low and poverty is high. Bradford has some nice buildings but the city is currently a basket case.

One of the neighbours works part-time. If he works anymore hours than part-time hours he will lose his benefits. His rent/the mortgage on the house he is living in/renting is paid by the Government. He has told me he and his family will never go back home.

TBF he does work. He looks after his kids and the house, even though he doesn't own the house. He doesn't go without. He and his family are settled and very happy over here.

Well I mean overall they're not economically strong, wages are low, skills are low and poverty is high. Bradford has some nice buildings but the city is currently a basket case.

Not to the extent many on here make out.

Looking on the BBC unemployment tracker the worst unemployment rate in West Yorkshire is in Leeds and not Bradford.

Sure, I doubt that Bradford had as many vanity projects but I bet the economy is nothing like as bad as you make out.

I was surprised that Leeds only grew by 5%. Even Liverpool grew a tad more in percentage terms ;) which also surprised me considering the estimates had Liverpool declining for most of the past decade.

Manchester surprised me by growing by 80,000, I thought the overall figure would be around 480,000.

I did think Birmingham would be around 1 and a bit million.

Leeds and Brum grew less than Liverpool and Manc because it seems urban areas have seen the most of the growth and whilst Liverpool and Manc are inner urban authorities Brum and Leeds, to varying degrees, are much more suburban and rural.

Leeds and Brum grew less than Liverpool and Manc because it seems urban areas have seen the most of the growth and whilst Liverpool and Manc are inner urban authorities Brum and Leeds, to varying degrees, are much more suburban and rural.

Although it should be pointed out that when you combine Manchester with its more suburban areas (Salford and Trafford) it grew by over 120,000 people, far in advance of Birmingham or Leeds. Its on the same scale as Brum, but clearly something is going on.

Not to the extent many on here make out.

Looking on the BBC unemployment tracker the worst unemployment rate in West Yorkshire is in Leeds and not Bradford.

Sure, I doubt that Bradford had as many vanity projects but I bet the economy is nothing like as bad as you make out.

Not really relevant.. the overall unemployment rate is probably higher in Bradford. Besides, Leeds is a larger city, it's bound to have more extremes. Pretty obvious methinks.

I know a lot more about Bradford than you considering I have family there. ask any Bradfordian on the Leeds forum and they'll tell you how much of a basket case Bradford is. I'm not trying to make out Leeds is something it isn't, but Bradford is poor and unskilled with high unemployment.

Although it should be pointed out that when you combine Manchester with its more suburban areas (Salford and Trafford) it grew by over 120,000 people, far in advance of Birmingham or Leeds. Its on the same scale as Brum, but clearly something is going on.

Sure, but also include Tameside, Stockport and the parts of the other boroughs that form the urban area and I bet the % increase drops.

Although it should be pointed out that when you combine Manchester with its more suburban areas (Salford and Trafford) it grew by over 120,000 people, far in advance of Birmingham or Leeds. Its on the same scale as Brum, but clearly something is going on.

True, Trafford and Salford have decent growth rates too, but on a much smaller scale than the City of Manchester.

Not really relevant.. the overall unemployment rate is probably higher in Bradford. Besides, Leeds is a larger city, it's bound to have more extremes. Pretty obvious methinks.

I know a lot more about Bradford than you considering I have family there. ask any Bradfordian on the Leeds forum and they'll tell you how much of a basket case Bradford is. I'm not trying to make out Leeds is something it isn't. but compared to Leeds, Bradford is poor, unskilled and doing terribly.

I am not intending to compare Bradford to Leeds, far from it, I just think people consider city developments as a reflection of economic success of an area and the relative lack of it in Bradford makes people think it is a basket case.

I would suggest there is almost no relationship.

I'm not suggesting there is, I'm just saying that Bradford does have a poor local economy compared to virtually anywhere in Yorkshire (bar Hull I suppose). The lack of development there could be attributed to the incompetent council rather than anything else.

We all know why Bradford has grown at such a rate in the past 10 years. This is also true for other cities but to a far lesser extent.

Sure, but also include Tameside, Stockport and the parts of the other boroughs that form the urban area and I bet the % increase drops.

I'm just trying to find a rough local comparator with the City of Birmingham rather than the urban areas. They're both about the same size and population, and the difference is still quite pronounced.

So Mcr has Salford, Tameside, Stockport, Trafford to call on to "boom" up its figures! Brum has Sandwell, Solihull, Dudley too. What's the issue? We're still a bigger connected and populated conurbation.

Leeds and Brum grew less than Liverpool and Manc because it seems urban areas have seen the most of the growth and whilst Liverpool and Manc are inner urban authorities Brum and Leeds, to varying degrees, are much more suburban and rural.

There's nothing rural about Brum's suburbs - just suburban towns that have been part of the city for about 90 years.

Hence I put to varying degrees. Brum with the low density suburbs, Leeds with the miles of fields.

So Mcr has Salford, Tameside, Stockport, Trafford to call on to "boom" up its figures! Brum has Sandwell, Solihull, Dudley too. What's the issue? We're still a bigger connected and populated conurbation.

The Brum urban area was about 20% larger than Manc, will still be bigger, but suspect not so significantly, but will not know for quite some time.

Have you ever been to Brum? Drive along that epic viaduct and you can see it is pretty damned built up.

Have you ever been to Brum?

Me? Yes. Plenty of times. There are plenty of low density suburbs on the south side of the city.

Top avoid confusion, I am attributing the relative high Manc CC increase due to their being very little low density housing and lots of inner city housing. The suburbs being in Trafford etc.

Look on Google Maps and you'll definitely see low density suburbs in the south of the City of Birmingham.. not a bad thing to me. It's nice to have areas like that.

The Brum urban area was about 20% larger than Manc, will still be bigger, but suspect not so significantly, but will not know for quite some time.
Where are you getting those figures from? There are different definitions, but I've yet to see one that matched that. ONS had the urban areas in the 2001 census as:

GM urban area - 2,240,230
WM urban area - 2,284,093