Please don't go and get yourself banned this time.This slander is just another Manc lie. I have never been banned nor, according to my inquiries and research, has the person using the name Sloyne.... and then you moved to Texas. Racist, facist, right-wing capital of the world!Yep, if you say so but, seeing as you are a Manc, you posts have to taken with a pinch of salt, a large pinch. Like a bucketful.

Yep, if you say so but, seeing as you are a Manc, you posts have to taken with a pinch of salt, a large pinch. Like a bucketful.

:lol: are you honestly saying that Manchester is a racist city? You might want to look closer to home for that, or even closer to Liverpool!

Manchester is by far one of Europe's most multicultural cities.

Multicultural doesn't = non-racist. Key mistake that too many imbeciles who know nothing about anything make these days.

Racism exists in all cities and all places.

Its not right this lads.

The man (Euxtex) has some personal issues with Manchester. Someone who has that much hatred for a place definitely has a reason for it, in this case we will probably never know as it is probably too personal. Youve gotta give him credit for his commitment, slating a city and its people every day on an internet forum would drain the life out of me whilst boring me to death.

Maybe hes had a few bad run ins with Mancs?
Maybe he was rejected by a Mancunian woman?
Maybe he is just a very strange man?
Most likely the latter.

Its all up for speculation mind.

Fucking hell, you say this every single time. 'haha what a troll, just ignore' but you reply again and again, you're as bad as him.

:lol: are you honestly saying that Manchester is a racist city? You might want to look closer to home for that, or even closer to Liverpool!

Manchester is by far one of Europe's most multicultural cities.

Have you missed the news recently? Asians getting killed and beaten in Salford ie Manchester.

Fucking hell, you say this every single time. 'haha what a troll, just ignore' but you reply again and again, you're as bad as him.

How are we supposed to ignore it?
Every discussion which involves the city of Manchester is derailed and mimicked by a user who has shown he can have a good discussion - As highlighted by me in post 18718.

Have you missed the news recently? Asians getting killed and beaten in Salford ie Manchester.

Have you not watched the local news atall over the past 40 years?

Pot kettle hmmm:nuts:

Have you missed the news recently? Asians getting killed and beaten in Salford ie Manchester.

To be fair, there wasn't a racially motive discovered, they don't know he was just some psycho. Not that it makes it in absolutely any way better, 'someone's been shot dead'....'so?'...'He used racial abuse beforehand'...'OH MY GOD NO!'.

Tbh I think Manchester is from my experience, a city which has done well to integrate people. I just think people should be wary of conflating having lots of black/asian people (which is basically what people mean by multiculturalism) with being some really liberal, non-racist place. Go to Paris, one of the most 'multicultural' places but there's racist abuse spray painted on walls all over the city and a real problem with racial tensions.

Liverpool has more unemployed.

High unemployment = High crime

Seriously guys go to the US then you'll realize what racial tension is all about. The UK is tame in comparison.

How are we supposed to ignore it?
Every discussion which involves the city of Manchester is derailed and mimicked by a user who has shown he can have a good discussion - As highlighted by me in post 18718.

Funnily enough it was actually a conversation about Bradford. The only thing to do with Manchester that came into the discussion was me apparently being a Manchester forumer per se lol! It then digressed from there. Mmm...digressed is totally the wrong word... :p

FRIENDS
"EuxTex has not made any friends yet"

it would appear that isn't likely to change any time soon either :lol:

Liverpool has more unemployed.

High unemployment = High crime

Then why don't Home Office stats back this up?
Liverpool is one of the safest big cities.


(And Birmingham has the highest unemployment by the way).

How are we supposed to ignore it?
Every discussion which involves the city of Manchester is derailed and mimicked by a user who has shown he can have a good discussion - As highlighted by me in post 18718.

By putting him on IGNORE FFS.

Then why don't Home Office stats back this up?
Liverpool is one of the safest big cities.


(And Birmingham has the highest unemployment by the way).

You're totally correct. Liverpool is relatively safe considering its size and deprivation issues.

:lol: are you honestly saying that Manchester is a racist city?No, I'm saying that any statement from a Manc needs to be carefully scrutinized for it's veracity. But for someone who has likely never been farther west than Newton-Le-Willows, you have some sweeping statements regarding the US.Its not right this lads.

The man (Euxtex) has some personal issues with Manchester. Someone who has that much hatred for a place definitely has a reason for it, in this case we will probably never know as it is probably too personal. Youve gotta give him credit for his commitment, slating a city and its people every day on an internet forum would drain the life out of me whilst boring me to death.

Maybe hes had a few bad run ins with Mancs?
Maybe he was rejected by a Mancunian woman?
Maybe he is just a very strange man?
Most likely the latter.

Its all up for speculation mind.Speculation you say. Explain yourself!!!! I respond to idiotic statement and lies by Mancs and you say I have issues? Look into the Liverpool John lennon Airport thread and see, once again, the posts by "fair minded and non biased" Mancs then look at my responses. And that is not the only thread. And I'm the hater?Seriously guys go to the US then you'll realize what racial tension is all about. The UK is tame in comparison.Tame or wild, racism is a sickness and a plague on the whole social fabric of any nation. Racism is obscene.

OH FOR FUCK SAKE PEOPLE, LOOK AT YOURSELVES!!

Seriously, City Talk makes the whole of the UK Subforum look bad, just like 4chan is the arsehole of the internet, City Talk is the arsehole of Skyscrapercity. This whole thread is just wrong.

This is the city v city thread, the thread dedicated to insulting cities!! :banana:

Liverpool is a fucking dump
Manchester stinks
Birmingham is vile
Sheffield is a village
Portsmouth is boring
Hull is a shanty town
Glasgow is poorer than Baghdad
Newcastle is common and tacky
Cardiff.. who gives a shit about this place?

:banana:

Seriously though, City Talk is a horrible forum that brings the worst out in people.. just like the Sports Field. :|

I've said countless times that this thread should be locked and all off topic posts deleted on other threads.. but then again, this is a troll zone, created specifically to attract trolls. ;)

By putting him on IGNORE FFS.

How does one do such a thing?

How does one do such a thing?

Ask LNG, he has half of skyscraper city on block.

Ask LNG, he has half of skyscraper city on block.

If someone's blocked you the option to PM doesn't come up, LNGcats claims to have blocked me but he hasn't. He's a very odd character.

Seriously guys go to the US then you'll realize what racial tension is all about. The UK is tame in comparison.

This. American's are just stupid though, everyone knows that. Look at Alabama.

No, I'm saying that any statement from a Manc needs to be carefully scrutinized for it's veracity. But for someone who has likely never been farther west than Newton-Le-Willows, you have some sweeping statements regarding the US.

Been to New York, Florida (Tampa) and have relatives in Sheboygan, Wisconsin and Chicago, Illinois.

American cities, for the most part, are just awful places to live.

Perhaps we could turn this thread into a US city bashing thread instead?

American cities, for the most part, are just awful places to live.

Perhaps we could turn this thread into a US city bashing thread instead?

New York seemed pretty awesome, I'd live there, but generally America is a lot more 'behind' Europe, so for that reason I would never want to live there.

American cities, for the most part, are just awful places to live.

Perhaps we could turn this thread into a US city bashing thread instead?

It's far from awful, Washington has improved loads over the last 10-20 years. Chicago, New York, Los Angeles are all pretty amazing cities. Florida while having a high crime rate has beautiful places.

It's far from awful, Washington has improved loads over the last 10-20 years. Chicago, New York, Los Angeles are all pretty amazing cities. Florida while having a high crime rate has beautiful places.

American cities have a reputation of having crap streetscapes but I'm not so sure that's the case anymore.

A lot of the city centres still have a big issue of competing against out-of-town shopping centres, though..

They have 'improved' but they are still riddled with crime, cities like Washington have murder rates of over 30 for ever 100,000 people.. that's horrific.

Los Angeles is a car centric, polycentric mess that doesn't even feel like a city and that applies to most US cities such as Atlanta, Miami, Charlotte, Houston, Dallas etc. They fail epically in almost every way, including transport. The mass transit in Houston has a lower daily ridership than the mass transit systems in Manchester and Newcastle.. hardly surprising is it? They are considered the largest towns on earth. :nuts:

Miami portrays it self as a tropical paradise but it's not.. it's riddled with crime (Miami cannibal anyone?).

I look to Europe rather than America, the cities of Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Russia, Italy and France seem a lot more alluring than America.

Forgot Hungary, I'll get to Budapest even if it takes me my whole life.

Forgot Hungary, I'll get to Budapest even if it takes me my whole life.And when you do, don't forget to visit Lake Balaton. The only place I have seen lake water as blue as it, is in the Bluewater area of Lake Huron at the mouth of the St. Clair River.

If someone's blocked you the option to PM doesn't come up, LNGcats claims to have blocked me but he hasn't. He's a very odd character.

Blocked me as well.

I love it when he posts in the Man Airport thread. With luck I post the traffic stats before him and watch as he re-posts it as new days later.

It amuses me. Not like a Dara gig, but in a small way.

Liverpool has more unemployed.

High unemployment = High crime

Leeds burglary rates were three times the national average in certain parts of the city last year according to this link,so maybe you need to look a bit closer to home, it backs up that they're poorer areas but still, we're talking about the national average here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-13115388

This is the city v city thread, the thread dedicated to insulting cities!! :banana:

Liverpool is a fucking dump
Manchester stinks
Birmingham is vile
Sheffield is a village
Portsmouth is boring
Hull is a shanty town
Glasgow is poorer than Baghdad
Newcastle is common and tacky
Cardiff.. who gives a shit about this place?

:banana:

Strange that you think Liverpool is a "dump". Liverpool is one of the most attractive provincial cities in Britain despite being behind in terms of wealth.

My post was not serious, if you didn't already know that.

My post was not serious, if you didn't already know that.

Oh I didn't realise actually, but Liverpool used to be a dump, watch Boys from the Blackstuff, and still has some shit parts but is totally transformed since the 80's materially and culturally.

I've been to Liverpool plenty of times and I love it. If I could take all the people I know who think it's a shithole (stereotypes hard to shift etc), I would, just to prove them wrong. :yes:

Strange that you think Liverpool is a "dump". Liverpool is one of the most attractive provincial cities in Britain despite being behind in terms of wealth.
:cripes:

Manchester does stink though. Of poseys! Awww.

Lovelychester. :yes:

:cripes:

Sorry I don't know what that symbol implies, my point on the other hand was clear.

Have you not watched the local news atall over the past 40 years?

Pot kettle hmmm:nuts:

I wasnt the one who brought Liverpool into it. The mistake people make with Euxtux is slagging Liverpool to get at him which will obvz piss off posters from Liverpool like me.

I wasnt the one who brought Liverpool into it. The mistake people make with Euxtux is slagging Liverpool to get at him which will obvz piss off posters from Liverpool like me.And just what I have I got to do with this exchange?

And just what I have I got to do with this exchange?

You look like a Turkey?

You look like a Turkey?Probably because I am a turkey. What's your excuse?

Turkist.. :ohno:

Manchester is a jewel amongst rocks. Nuff said.

Norwich is a jewel amongst rocks. Nuff said.

fuxed it for you :yes:

Visit England released figures a few months back highlighting the most visited places for a day out.

1.) City of London
2.) Westminster
3.) Manchester
4.) Leeds

http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/top-stories/new-figures-today-confirmed-leeds-as-one-of-the-country-s-most-popular-places-for-a-day-out-1-4689984

And when you do, don't forget to visit Lake Balaton. The only place I have seen lake water as blue as it, is in the Bluewater area of Lake Huron at the mouth of the St. Clair River.

I'm going to Balaton in 11 days time for a couple of nights, staying in Siofok. I hear the lake is pretty and the nightlife is lively :)

And when you do, don't forget to visit Lake Balaton. The only place I have seen lake water as blue as it, is in the Bluewater area of Lake Huron at the mouth of the St. Clair River.

I'm going to Balaton in 11 days time for a couple of nights, staying in Siofok. I hear the lake is pretty and the nightlife is lively :)

I'm going to Balaton in 11 days time for a couple of nights, staying in Siofok. I hear the lake is pretty and the nightlife is lively :)True, in both cases plus, English and German seemed to be the accepted means of communication. Enjoy.

That's just as well - my Hungarian doesn't extend to anything more than 'thank you' and 'beer' :)

Visit England released figures a few months back highlighting the most visited places for a day out.

1.) City of London
2.) Westminster
3.) Manchester
4.) Leeds

http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/top-stories/new-figures-today-confirmed-leeds-as-one-of-the-country-s-most-popular-places-for-a-day-out-1-4689984

God the comments by Leeds folk under that article are just like reading the Manchester evening news comments....moan winge moan!!!

They're all idiots with no clue about anything. Oops I just described the general British public lol

At least theyre honest.

Yeah, I'm sure you're an expert on Leeds..

At least theyre honest.

No they are not honest! They are ’Little Leedsers’. No positive outlook. Leeds is far from ‘dirty’.

Well people have differing opinions on things, as unbelievable as that sounds. Some people see much to be improved and some see much to celebrate, depends on your outlook.

Yeah, but certain people choose to indulge in pessimism and misery on purpose.

Others cannot accept even the mildest criticism of their town, it cancels each other out.

Well people have differing opinions on things, as unbelievable as that sounds. Some people see much to be improved and some see much to celebrate, depends on your outlook.

It's well known that the type of people who comment on online news stories in any locality are almost always whinging miserable gits. It's a universal truth.

It's well known that the type of people who comment on online news stories in any locality are almost always whinging miserable gits. It's a universal truth.

Very True - Everytime something positive is in Manchester is in the MEN 90% of comments are putting it down in some way - the xmas markets for one bring a bit of life to the city - The MEN readers moan and winge about it - we really have become a nation of sad moaning bas*ards!

It's well known that the type of people who comment on online news stories in any locality are almost always whinging miserable gits. It's a universal truth.

ha, yes... reading the comments on the YEP website is like a local Daily (Hate) Mail hit!! :lol:

edit: to illustrate... :ohno:
http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/news/latest-news/top-stories/leeds-bradford-airport-laser-pens-attacks-fears-exclusive-1-4813677

Portsmouths are terrible, I want to find the (front page no less) article blaming the pedestrianisation of one of our great cafe/bar streets for an increase in violence.

It's very refreshing to hear this. Whenever I look at the online comments on WalesOnline I fear for the future of humanity. It seems to consist of nutters, miserabalists, uber nationalists, Welsh langauge haters or the incurably stupid.

It gives me a sense of relief that other parts of the country are similarly afflicted.

The Portsmouth Evening News is always rammed full of Welsh Language Haters too.

Ignoring the fact there is no such thing as 'The Portsmouth Evening News' for a second (it's just 'The News') I have never seen anything anti-wales in it.

I think James' post was in response to mine. I referred to some of the online commentators for our local rag in Cardiff being anti Welsh language and then commented it was refreshing that online commentators on local rags around the country were of a similar ilk (I meant misanthropic nutters). James has picked up on the fact that its unlikely that anyone outside Wales will give a monkeys about the Welsh language.

I thought most people in South Wales weren't really supportive of the Welsh language, seeing as the North is the only place it remained a native language in any real numbers? Welsh only survives in the south now because of government support for it since the late 90s.

Without getting too deep into it there are more Welsh speakers in terms of numbers in south Wales than north Wales. The percentage of speakers in north Wales is greater which is why its probably more visible/audible to the casual observer.

Plus south Wales encompasses places like Monmouth or Chepstow on the English border where Welsh speakers will be very rare to places like the Swansea Valley, Gwendraeth valley etc where Welsh speakers are in the majority.

Wales is far more diverse than people give it credit. There are broad differences between North and South, but equally there are differences between East and West, or Valleys and Elsewhere, or Welsh speaking/Non Welsh speaking, or city/rural, or Welsh/English or Mining communities/farming communities or NE Wales/NW Wales.. You'll find some very militant Welsh speakers on the south coast in Caerdydd, and some scousers on the North coast in Rhyl who have never spoken Welsh in their lives.

It's one of the reasons why I am frustrated and amused in equal measure when people resident in England talk of 'The Welsh' wanting this that or the other.

People in Wales are probably less united on most things than people living in England..remember we have 4 major parties for 3 million people and England has 3 major parties for 50 million people!

Stick two Welshmen in a room and they'll argue for hours. Bring an Englishman in and the Welsh will probably unite, sing some songs and put on a show of unity.

I know Welsh people who frequently slag off the language, but as soon as an Englishman does it, they'll become instantly defensive of Welsh!

Seriously, Wales is full of nutters..it's a fascinating place..deserves far more political investigation in my opinion.

And yes, I was joking about anti-Welsh language letters in the Portsmouth Newspaper..I suspect they concentrate on slagging off the Froggies, The Saints and Peadatricians!

Wales is far more diverse than people give it credit. There are broad differences between North and South, but equally there are differences between East and West, or Valleys and Elsewhere, or Welsh speaking/Non Welsh speaking, or city/rural, or Welsh/English or Mining communities/farming communities or NE Wales/NW Wales.. You'll find some very militant Welsh speakers on the south coast in Caerdydd, and some scousers on the North coast in Rhyl who have never spoken Welsh in their lives.

It's one of the reasons why I am frustrated and amused in equal measure when people resident in England talk of 'The Welsh' wanting this that or the other.

People in Wales are probably less united on most things than people living in England..remember we have 4 major parties for 3 million people and England has 3 major parties for 50 million people!

Stick two Welshmen in a room and they'll argue for hours. Bring an Englishman in and the Welsh will probably unite, sing some songs and put on a show of unity.

I know Welsh people who frequently slag off the language, but as soon as an Englishman does it, they'll become instantly defensive of Welsh!

Seriously, Wales is full of nutters..it's a fascinating place..deserves far more political investigation in my opinion.

And yes, I was joking about anti-Welsh language letters in the Portsmouth Newspaper..I suspect they concentrate on slagging off the Froggies, The Saints and Peadatricians!

Arf, if Liverpool was a country it would be Wales.

My own experience is Cardiff, Newport and Swansea are pretty much "British", diverse, modern and urbane. At the same time they're proudly Welsh whilst taking the piss out of the uber Welsh valleys people, put them together and there's banter with occassional violence. Put them together and an outsider has a pop and they're a mighty foe.

It's similar with Wrexham. They're massively Welsh in border disputes, but contempoary Welsh/British when dealing with the Treffs.

I like Wales, I prefer the urban and coastal South Wales to the North and Mid Wales though.

Arf, if Liverpool was a country it would be Wales.

My own experience is Cardiff, Newport and Swansea are pretty much "British", diverse, modern and urbane. At the same time they're proudly Welsh whilst taking the piss out of the uber Welsh valleys people, put them together and there's banter with occassional violence. Put them together and an outsider has a pop and they're a mighty foe.

It's similar with Wrexham. They're massively Welsh in border disputes, but contempoary Welsh/British when dealing with the Treffs.

I like Wales, I prefer the urban and coastal South Wales to the North and Mid Wales though.

Thats the first and possibly the last time people from Newport have been described as 'urbane'....
:lol:

Thats the first and possibly the last time people from Newport have been described as 'urbane'....
:lol:

Well I knew I was pushing it, but they do want to be like Cardiff even if they don't pull it off!

The ear ring and tracksuit capital of Britain, more wool than urbane, less wool than valleys grocks and grockesses.

Newport - The Welsh Stoke?

Well I knew I was pushing it, but they do want to be like Cardiff even if they don't pull it off!

The ear ring and tracksuit capital of Britain, more wool than urbane, less wool than valleys grocks and grockesses.

Newport - The Welsh Stoke?

Quick check- this is the bashing thread?

Scouser saying someother lot wear shell-suits?

With an avatar of a football(er) shirt.

Priceless.

Quick check- this is the bashing thread?

Scouser saying someother lot wear shell-suits?

With an avatar of a football(er) shirt.

Priceless.

Hullo Mr Witless.

Quick check- this is the bashing thread?

Scouser saying someother lot wear shell-suits?

With an avatar of a football(er) shirt.

Priceless.Something like Mancs calling other cities "shitholes" and "liars". Now that's priceless. :hilarious

Well I knew I was pushing it, but they do want to be like Cardiff even if they don't pull it off!

The ear ring and tracksuit capital of Britain, more wool than urbane, less wool than valleys grocks and grockesses.

Newport - The Welsh Stoke?

If Stoke is rough as fuck, then yes!

It's like a Valleys town on steroids (literally and metaphorically) but it does have a few decent bits in the city centre and Caerleon is as lovely a suburb as it gets in south Wales. I'm doing my best to be positive here.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/content/images/2005/01/31/voices_scousers_200x150.jpg
Of course Toadboy was slagging Cardiff was he?

Dear, dear even when your own insult, to another city, is used against you, the whining starts!

The only UK city renowed for wearing shell-suits was Liverpool.

Is? Probably not thank God.
Was? Yup

Deal with it. But don't take the piss out of Cardiff and then moan when the same dig is used against you.

Shameless.

There you go, a clue for you to dig back at Manchester. Then again you may be too "witless"

I think Toadboy was taking the piss out of Newport. The only trackies worn in Cardiff are vintage 70's Adidas ones with the stripes down the side of the tracky bottoms and even then they are only worn ironically.

Something like Mancs calling other cities "shitholes" and "liars". Now that's priceless. :hilarious

Manchester = Beta + world city.

Liverpool = doesn't register

San Antonio = doesn't register.



Conclusion:- Manchester is a shitehole and Liverpool is way, way better.

(through the eyes of a blinkered Scouser)

Deal with it. But don't take the piss out of Cardiff and then moan when the same dig is used against you.You could use the same advice. So why don't you "deal with it"?

Manchester = Beta




Betamax

Manchester = Beta + world city.

Liverpool = doesn't register

San Antonio = doesn't register.



Conclusion:- Manchester is a shitehole and Liverpool is way, way better.

(through the eyes of a blinkered Scouser)It was a Manc who, after a one night visit for a soccer game, called Moscow a "shithole". If Moscow is a
"shithole" then how would you describe Manchester? Also, have you ever visited San Antonio or the US for that matter? So how would you know whether or not San Antonio is a shithole? Compared to San Antonio, Manchester (beta city or not) is a dirty, damp, dank, drab, dull and yes, dangerous place. UNESCO claimed that one is more likely to meet with "random violence" in Manchester than in Rio de Janeiro. If Manchester is the epitome of a "beta city" (whatever that means) then I am pleased San Antonio isn't one.

PS: In the 1980's, when Liverpool had the reputation of being the "hub cap theft capital of the UK", my granpa had two rental vehicles burglarized and vandalized in Manchester in the same 24 hour period. What do they say, "give a dog a bad name"?

Good work, he's taken the bait, now...just....hold him....in....here.... :lol:

Oh dear...

Manchester is shit, yet 2.6million people to Liverpool's 1.7million suggest our shit is tastier than your shit.

Feck none of us is Seattle, San Fran, Singapore or Sydney.

lol. as if either city is anywhere near that figure

[QUOTE=TheFly;94069766]http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/content/images/2005/01/31/voices_scousers_200x150.jpg


Liverpudlians don't look like that:dunno: But then you're using comedy from almost 25 years ago!

Manchester is shit, yet 2.6million people to Liverpool's 1.7million suggest our shit is tastier than your shit.I've yet to meet anyone from Bolton, Wigan etc., who consider or, claim themselves Mancs. Also, city by city numbers place Birmingham, Glasgow and Liverpool ahead of Manchester. Even Salford University places Liverpool ahead of Manchester with Liverpool = 449,000 to Manchester 432,000.Feck none of us is Seattle, San Fran, Singapore or Sydney.All of those are seaports as is Liverpool. So Liverpool has at least some affinity to them. :lol:

Manchester is officially, UK census, 500,000.

Shit is still shit. We're shit, you're shitter

Manchester is officially, UK census, 500,000.

Shit is still shit. We're shit, you're shitterBut our shit basks in warm sunshine for most of the year. Your shit is cloud covered, raining, sunless, dank, dirty, dismal, dreary, dull and dangerous for most of that year.Manchester is officially, UK census, 500,000.Then why did you lie and claim to have a population of 2.7 million? Another example of Mancs using fictitious figures, as usual. :ohno:

Did everyone enjoy the Olympic opening ceremony, all created by a Manc

Did everyone enjoy the Olympic opening ceremony, all created by a Manc

With songs by a Scouser.

But our shit basks in warm sunshine for most of the year. Your shit is cloud covered, raining, sunless, dank, dirty, dismal, dreary, dull and dangerous for most of that year.Then why did you lie and claim to have a population of 2.7 million? Another example of Mancs using fictitious figures, as usual. :ohno:

I also lied about Liverpool being 1.7m

Funny how you missed that?

Legend.

Did everyone enjoy the Olympic opening ceremony, all created by a Manc

With the Mancunian-born industrial revolution at the very centrepiece!

The only down part was when they wheeled out that sad one-note scouse crooner at the end to give another wheezy rendition of one of his ancient tunes.

Manchester is shit, yet 2.6million people to Liverpool's 1.7million suggest our shit is tastier than your shit.

Feck none of us is Seattle, San Fran, Singapore or Sydney.

And in Manchester you get shit wages too!
:banana:

With the Mancunian-born industrial revolution at the very centrepiece!

The only down part was when they wheeled out that sad one-note scouse crooner at the end to give another wheezy rendition of one of his ancient tunes.

He wasn't that good that night, he was never the talented one in the Beatles anyway, but his fame will endure for ever. Nevertheless my view on these things is whilst I prefer Liverpool as I would being from here, I really can't be arsed hating people from 40 miles away, people are people wherever you go.

With songs by a Scouser.


Big contribution from Frank Cottrell-Boyce aswell, the Queen and Daniel Craig parachuting into the stadium was without doubt one of the highlights of the evening.

I also lied about Liverpool being 1.7m

Funny how you missed that?

Legend.Are you blind or just stupid? I did correct your (Manc) fictitious figures in post #18843 above (449,000.) And yes, you, being a Manc, likely did lie about Liverpool's figures.

Try again sucker.:lol:With the Mancunian-born industrial revolution at the very centrepiece!Which leaves one to wonder why on earth the rest of the world believes and history books record that Birmingham was the birthplace of the "Industrial Revolution" and greatest industrial city in the 19th century and into the earlier part of the 20th century.

Manchester was the greatest cotton garment (nickers) manufacturing town, cotton supplied through the Port of Liverpool, of course. :)

Originally Posted by Nathan Dawz
The best part was when they wheeled out that scouse legend at the end to give another rendition of one of his timeless tunes.All hail the most successful singer/songwriter of all time.

I've edited that for you, he's sold over a billion units and he's now seventy years of age, that has surely got to be taken into account, come back when a Wiganer matches him.

Sad and pathetic!

Sad and pathetic!

My city vs Your City (official city bashing thread)

:)

Did everyone enjoy the Olympic opening ceremony, all created by a Manc

I didn't watch it, and nobody cares that it was created by a faux Manc. :banana:

Paul McCartney is a legend but he's getting past his prime now - he cannot hit notes anymore and everyone I talk to thinks he shouldn't have been included. Maybe he's a nice man but hes old and can't sing anymore.. lol

I didn't watch it, and nobody cares that it was created by a faux Manc. :banana:

I thought it was crap. Could never compete with Beijing so never understood why the likes of the Daily Mail are gushing over it like it was best thing since sliced bread. I thought it was a mash up from CBBC. I was really half expecting some elderly woman doing some gymnastics with a cardboard sign (sponsered by British Gas) stating "my heating allowance has been reduced/axed to pay for this, having this opening ceremony makes me all warm and fuzzy"

More to the point: What is exactly a "faux manc"?

With the Mancunian-born industrial revolution at the very centrepiece!

The only down part was when they wheeled out that sad one-note scouse crooner at the end to give another wheezy rendition of one of his ancient tunes.

Arf. A Liverpudlian wrote the whole thing (not just the Queen bit, Paul) - a man from Radcliffe, Lancs was the director. And we all know, the industrial revolution didn't start in Manchester. If Frank Cottrell Boyce was thinking of Manchester at that point in the creative process, bless him for his kindness. :pet:

I really enjoyed the opening ceremony to be honest, loved all the music stuff and also the whole industrial revolution part as well.

I also quite enjoy Euxtex posting on these threads, its quite good entertainment if I'm honest. He is quite clearly winding you all up though.

Mccartney is a tosser but Lennon was boss.

The industrial revolution has been done before, nowhere was responsible for it, there wasn't a few people in Brum, Manc or Telford who said 'let's have an industrial revolution'. Manc can probably claim to be first totally industrial city though.

Arf. A Liverpudlian wrote the whole thing (not just the Queen bit, Paul) - a man from Radcliffe, Lancs was the director. And we all know, the industrial revolution didn't start in Manchester. If Frank Cottrell Boyce was thinking of Manchester at that point in the creative process, bless him for his kindness. :pet:

A guy from Rainhill Lancs actually wrote it under direction of a guy from Radcliffe Lancs, as you say, No wonder there were lots chimneys, You have to love us wools,

nowhere was responsible for it, Manc can probably claim to be first totally industrial city though.
I think thats the general consensus

Mccartney is a tosser but Lennon was boss.

The industrial revolution has been done before, nowhere was responsible for it, there wasn't a few people in Brum, Manc or Telford who said 'let's have an industrial revolution'. Manc can probably claim to be first totally industrial city though.

So the one who was violent and abusive was "boss", and the one that donates money, time & energy to countless causes is " a tosser"?

Mccartney is a tosser but Lennon was boss.

Lennon always came across as an arsehole and at least McCartney still knew how to write decent songs after the Beatles split

Jesus, just what the fuck is up with you lot? Life is quite simply, 'just too fuckin' short'

So the one who was violent and abusive was "boss", and the one that donates money, time & energy to countless causes is " a tosser"?

i should have been more specific. Lennon 62-66 cool as fuck, who cares if he had a few scraps. Then he became a hippy loser.

Life is quite simply, 'just too fuckin' short'

if yer a midget it is..
nae body seems to mention Maccas radical side
'give ireland back to the irish'
Helter skelter etc..
live and let die ya muthas

Jesus, just what the fuck is up with you lot? Life is quite simply, 'just too fuckin' short'

^^ This 1,000,000%!!!

A guy from Rainhill Lancs actually wrote it under direction of a guy from Radcliffe Lancs, as you say, No wonder there were lots chimneys, You have to love us wools,

Except Rainhill is in Merseyside.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainhill

Except Rainhill is in Merseyside.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainhill

And Radcliffe is in Greater Manchester.

Come now.

GcZ8Gz0rDtw

Currently staying in my friend's apartment in Whitworth Park. He has a dead good view over the UK's only beta + world city. Excellent.

Euxtex, where do Liverpool and San Antonio rate in the world city list? Last time I checked they were below Manchester... Hm...

No wonder Manchester was revealed as the fastest growing city in the UK in the 2011 census.

World city haha.

And don't lie, if you're personality is what it is on here then there's no way you have any friends.

And Radcliffe is in Greater Manchester.

He was wrong on both counts then, thanks for pointing that out. :)

World city haha.

And don't lie, if you're personality is what it is on here then there's no way you have any friends.

Getting a bit personal there..

He has a dead good view over the UK's only beta + world city.The information was likely provided to them by the guy who claimed the Manchester halle was the oldest concert orchestra in the UK. Remmember that one? A department of your own (UK) government ordered them to cease and desist with that lying claim. And remember the claim by Thompson and Muirhead that MAN would be handling 30 million passengers by the turn of the century? They have yet to reach 20 million. And the L&YR company Newton Heath was founded in 1878 and disbanded (because of bancruptcy) in 1901. Manchester United was founded in 1902 NOT 1878. That was Everton, a team that plays in the non beta city 30 miles away.

San Antonio has more sunshine per month than beta city Manchester has in a year. That will do me.:hilarious

How many race courses does this beta city have? How many cathedrals does this beta city have? How many championship golf courses does this beta city have? how many maritime museums among the worlds top 5 does this beta city have? what part of this beta city is declared a World Heritage Site? How many iconic buildings does this beta city have? How many concert orchestra, among the worlds three oldest, does this beta city have?

Thank Christ Liverpool isn't a beta city!!!!!

VDB.

Remember the general consensus on the Airport thread? If you're not sure take a look. We all need to stick together on this one. If we can do it, so can you.

You might not gt a gold medal for it, but...... :wink2:

VDB.

Remember the general consensus on the Airport thread? If you're not sure take a look. We all need to stick together on this one. If we can do it, so can you.

You might not gt a gold medal for it, but...... :wink2:Easier still, stop lying, claiming other city's acheivements, don't make up numbers and, leave my name out of your posts. Should be simple for anybody, except maybe Mancs.

Beta City you say. With what?

Which leaves one to wonder why on earth the rest of the world believes and history books record that Birmingham was the birthplace of the "Industrial Revolution" and greatest industrial city in the 19th century and into the earlier part of the 20th century.

They don't. Shall we take a look at what the world's most widely used encyclopedia, Wikipedia, has to say on the matter? This is from the 'Industrial Revolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_revolution)' article:

Nowhere was this better illustrated than the mills and associated industries of Manchester, nicknamed "Cottonopolis", and the world's first industrial city.

According to Wikipedia, Manchester is the Roman name for Tit Hill.

Therefore, even back in the days of Roman rule, you were known as a bunch of tits?

This is actually true. Mancunium or however you spell it comes from Mammary Hill.

I guess its better than a pool of livers? (This is not a serious response in case anyone was thinking of actually having an argument about what names are worse)

Except Rainhill is in Merseyside.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainhill
Yes I know, Someone called Awayo being silly, if Radcliffe is Lancs so is Rainhill
Actually...
Radcliffe is more Manchester than Rainhill is Liverpool, being closer etc

I guess its better than a pool of livers? (This is not a serious response in case anyone was thinking of actually having an argument about what names are worse)

Mines boring. Mouth of the Port.

This is actually true. Mancunium or however you spell it comes from Mammary Hill.

That's hot.

I guess its better than a pool of livers?Actually, and "Laver weed" notwithstanding, Liverpool takes it's name from the old pool which was located were the present 'Liverpool One' development now stands. Remembering that Liverpool is built on red/pink sandstone and when the tide flooded the pool the water was a murky, dirty looking red color. That is where Liverpool took it's name from.

the 'Industrial Revolution (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_revolution)' article:Birmingham, England was the worlds largest industrial center, Manchester "Cottonopolis" was the worlds largest cotton manufacturing center, manufacturing raw cotton (imported through Liverpool,) into apparel, including undergarments. But even the title "Cottonopolis" should tell you everything you need to know about Manchester in industrial history. I believe the same on line encyclopedia, Wikipedia, claims Birmingham, 1791, to be the "worlds first manufacturing town".

Yes I know, Someone called Awayo being silly, if Radcliffe is Lancs so is Rainhill
Actually...
Radcliffe is more Manchester than Rainhill is Liverpool, being closer etc

It's right by Prescot and Prescot these days is seen as Liverpool by most, so it's not out on a limb.The village of Rainhill lies 1.5 miles east of Prescot. Prescot was once seen as out in the sticks, only going back about twenty years, it's ours now, it's well and truly colonised. I suppose the original point was that we played our part and that point still stands as both men were born outside their respective cities but both played a big part, it wasn't solely a manc thing as originally stated.

yeah mamecaster: should have been titchester: you wouldn't see that many tit U shirts about...Nottingham really was Snottingham!

A certain group of Liverpudlians having quite a large say in this closing ceremony...

That's the Liverpool Philharmonic Youth Choir and Liverpool Signing Choir singing 'Imagine' in the Olympic stadium too, now where's the rumoured Rainhill Spice? ;)

Birmingham, England was the worlds largest industrial center, Manchester "Cottonopolis" was the worlds largest cotton manufacturing center, manufacturing raw cotton (imported through Liverpool,) into apparel, including undergarments. But even the title "Cottonopolis" should tell you everything you need to know about Manchester in industrial history. I believe the same on line encyclopedia, Wikipedia, claims Birmingham, 1791, to be the "worlds first manufacturing town".

I have no idea what you're arguing about.

The discussion was whether Manchester was the world's first industrial city, and the agreed answer was 'yes'.

The discussion was whether Manchester was the world's first industrial city, and the agreed answer was 'yes'.Manchester was noted for producing one thing; apparel from raw cotton. Birmingham produced steam engines which, incidentally, powered the looms which Manchester mills used to produce garments from raw cotton. Without the metal foundries and industrial manufacturing which was Birmingham there would be no looms to run the Manchester mills. The argument is akin to Manchester's claim of having the UK's oldest concert orchestra (since proven false,) which was founded by an ex pianist of the Liverpool Philharmonic Society. Wikipedia can say what it want's, Birmingham was the "engineroom of the Empire".Manchester was "cottonopolis".

That's the Liverpool Philharmonic Youth Choir and Liverpool Signing Choir singing 'Imagine' in the Olympic stadium too, now where's the rumoured Rainhill Spice? ;)

Imagine if there was no Euxtex. Imagine.

Imagine if there was no Euxtex. Imagine.Yeah, just imagine. Then you Mancs could lie with impunity.:lol:

A Manc on another one of these forums made the statement that, London was awarded the Olympic Games because (wait for it) Manchester had hosted the Commonwealth Games which paved the way for their (London's) succesful bid.:hilarious

Yeah, just imagine. Then you Mancs could lie with impunity.:lol:

And you wouldn't have a liife. :wink2: (Euxtex spam alert!)

And you wouldn't have a liife. :wink2:True, but at present I am the one with a life in a warm sunny city with every material pleasure I want. You on the other hand are stuck in a dismal, damp, dank, dirty and dangerous rainy ugly city, scrimping and scratching for a miserable existence.:wink2:

True, but at present I am the one with a life in a warm sunny city with every material pleasure I want. You on the other hand are stuck in a dismal, damp, dank, dirty and dangerous rainy ugly city, scrimping and scratching for a miserable existence.:wink2:

Someone really needs to remove you from these boards, you bring nothing but constant hate

Yeah, just imagine. Then you Mancs could lie with impunity.:lol:

A Manc on another one of these forums made the statement that, London was awarded the Olympic Games because (wait for it) Manchester had hosted the Commonwealth Games which paved the way for their (London's) succesful bid.:hilarious

Read this muppet http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/jul/24/london-olympics-learn-manchester-games


What the London Olympics could learn from the Manchester Games
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The Commonwealth Games in Manchester Photograph: Tom Jenkins for the Guardian
Two hundred miles north of London, a modern Olympic-style stadium, built by an adventurous city council for the 2002 Commonwealth Games, is raking in £4m annually for the town hall. The cash is distributed to a variety of sporting ventures, thanks to a ticket-sale spin-off agreement with the Premier League champions now using the council-owned stadium.

Alongside this stadium, a state-of-the art velodrome played a pivotal role in developing Britain's cycling talent for the string of gold medals at the last Olympic Games in Beijing. Hopes are high for a repeat performance at the 2012 Olympics.

In a London-centric nation, a few senior politicians and bureaucrats who should know better sneer at the mention of Manchester's Games legacy. Yet for sporting organisation at its best – driven by municipal enterprise – perhaps it's time that the executive unit within the Department for Culture, Media and Sport charged with overseeing the Olympics took a reality check. Manchester was the pace-setter for London 2012. It put Britain back on the international sporting map.

Sure, the Olympics is a much larger event than the more humble Commonwealth Games. The budget for the mammoth east London enterprise has risen at least four-fold above the original £2.4bn estimate – probably much more when botched security is factored in. Manchester trained 1,800 staff from the council and the (municipal-owned) airport to supplement its Games security.

Lessons should have been learned – notably, getting an end-user for the stadium tied up well in advance. The council did a deal with Manchester City FC to move from its Maine Road ground – gifted to the council for housing – eastwards across the city to a 48,000-seat stadium, with the athletics track removed. When stadium capacity exceeds 32,000 – as it does at every home game – the council shares ticket proceeds.

The London organisers, of course, have failed miserably in this essential task for the Olympic stadium. Once-vaunted legacy projects remain in limbo. Manchester city council, which made a seemingly outrageous bid for the 2000 Olympics – trumped in the end by Sydney – had available land, and stadium planning, in place when it subsequently moved for the 2002 Commonwealth Games.

I recall the outcry from the London political establishment and sections of the national press. Manchester was accused of being out of its depth while making covert demands on hard-pressed taxpayers. Manchester took a gamble. Whitehall got cold feet. The then sceptical sports secretary, Tessa Jowell, was not happy when the government had to authorise what now seems a relatively puny £120m as a safety net.

How wrong they all were. The Games proved the most successful of their kind. As Sir Howard Bernstein, chief executive of Manchester city council recalls, they provided the launchpad for the London Olympic bid.

Bernstein says that, before the 2002 Manchester Games, Britain did not have a good reputation for organising world-class events. He recalls Jacques Rogge, president of the International Olympic Committee, saying: "These Games have shown that the UK can organise big international sporting events."

As a former northern editor of the Guardian, proud of its Manchester heritage, I have a soft spot for the city. The city, and its surrounding nine metropolitan councils, now share some functions as a Greater Manchester combined authority. They have plans: creating a £1.2bn infrastructure fund for public transport projects, along with other funds for training, apprenticeships and housing. Other cities want to follow suit, challenging the might of London. A tall order, certainly. But at least a start in rebalancing England and the most centralised economy in Europe.

There's much better stuff than that Marksy. It's just a case of digging a little deeper on the interweb.

We all know what was said and reported regarding the 'successful' 2002 Manchester Commonwealth Games, and how it related to the 2012 London Olympic bid.(and to the 2014 Glasgow Commonwealth Games)

As long as we know that's all that matters that man.

Don't beat yourself up about him and his......

There's much better stuff than that Marksy. It's just a case of digging a little deeper on the interweb.

We all know what was said and reported regarding the 'successful' 2002 Manchester Commonwealth Games, and how it related to the 2012 London Olympic bid.(and to the 2014 Glasgow Commonwealth Games)

As long as we know that's all that matters that man.

Don't beat yourself up about him and his......

I know it's just been a bad day in work (a good work colleague died at the weekend) and i come on here to take my mind away from it and then its this never ending shite on every thread from the same person starts to really grate - I know I should ignore it!

Yeah, just imagine. Then you Mancs could lie with impunity.:lol:

I wish we were all as honest as you. Anyway, good night, I have tickets for a trip to Granada Studio Tours in the morning and I don't want to be late!

Don't want another PM from you Euxtex, and I am telling you quite publicly to quit the pointless and relentless hate against Manchester. It I frankly embarrassing.

Don't want another PM from you Euxtex, and I am telling you quite publicly to quit the pointless and relentless hate against Manchester. It I frankly embarrassing.I learned from my last encounter with you as a Mod that whistling Dixie would be more productive. So no, no more PM between us. Some of us individuals value free speech and fairness more than others.

Oh yes, in case you haven't read all the thread, this, below, is how this exchange got started: Imagine if there was no Euxtex. Imagine. But hey, who said anything about even handedness. Certainly not you!!!!!

I dislike Manchester but that hasn't given me the right nor have I wished any person from that city dead. It hasn't made me stalk and threaten to expose them in open forum. It hasn't made me call them filthy names like "****", "twat", "prick", "fucker", etc., all of which I have been called and threatened with and, I may add, without sanction of those guilty, by yourself or any other Moderator.I wish we were all as honest as you. Anyway, good night, I have tickets for a trip to Granada Studio Tours in the morning and I don't want to be late!I repeated a story that was told to me by a third party who had been in Manchester for an international Lacrosse Tournament. I hereby challenge you to published a lie that I have personally posted in all the 2,660 I have posted on these forums. Prove one lie and I will depart these forums never to return. I dare you!!!!

Haha, well in jrb, I think his minders must think the same everyday. :lol:

Haha, well in jrb, I think his minders must think the same everyday. :lol:Sorry, I am unable to respond in case I fall foul of the Mod('s):wink2:

Prove one lie and I will depart these forums never to return. I dare you!!!!

You have previously claimed that Liverpool has two Open Championship golf venues.

That's a lie!

Merseyside has two Open Championship golf venues is what he should have said.

You have previously claimed that Liverpool has two Open Championship golf venues.

That's a lie!Royal Liverpool at Hoylake and Royal Birkdale at Southport are both in the Liverpool metropolitan area. It is only the BBC who insist on locating them in "Northwest England" (not even Merseyside.) North American news and sports media locate both of them in Liverpool. NBC even located this years Open venue of Royal Lytham & St. Anne's as being in the "Liverpool-Blackpool" area of England.:)Merseyside has two Open Championship golf venues is what he should have said.Yeah, something like Old Trafford being in "Greater" Manchester. I guess I, or Liverpool, don't rate that kind of a break.:|

There's a much bigger distance involved , Old Trafford is in the city in all but name, but I'm more than happy with the association Internationally, we get the recognition and the full hotels either way.

There's a much bigger distance involved , Old Trafford is in the city in all but name.Something like being pregnant or dishonest IMO. You either are or you are not.:)

Hawaii is located in the mid Pacific Ocean, and Alaska is closer to Siberia and Canada (ask Sarah Palin,) but are still in the United States of America and the BBC wouldn't dare say otherwise. BBC Sports also locate the "Liverpool Race Meeting" (Grand National) in "Northwest" England and not even Merseyside.. This despite being listed in all British news outlets (except BBC) as "Liverpool".

Merseyside has two Open Championship golf venues is what he should have said.

He 'should' have said, but he didn't, which is why it's untrue.

Something like being pregnant or dishonest IMO. You either are or you are not.:)

BBC Sports also locate the "Liverpool Race Meeting" (Grand National)in "Northwest" England and not even Merseyside.. This despite being listed in all British news outlets (except BBC) as "Liverpool".

According to you Haydock racecourse is in Liverpool, another lie!

According to you Haydock racecourse is in Liverpool, another lie!

He should have said it's in Merseyside of which there are two.

According to you Haydock racecourse is in Liverpool, another lie!

Is it fuck Liverpool its 1.4 miles up the road from where I live(Wigan)

When did Merseyside cease to be Metropolitan Liverpool?Is it fuck Liverpool its 1.4 miles up the road from where I live(Wigan)So you are claiming it is located in Greater Manchester?

No he is not

No he is notThen just what was the point of his response? If it is not in Metropolitan LIVERPOOL it must be someplace else. If not Metro Liverpool, where? You see, they are playing on words but, when I do it you (personally above^^) will likely only find fault with my responses.

I don't think you'd have got that response if you were talking about an estate like Tower Hamlets, then it would most certainly belong to Merseyside, well we're not, and it does.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haydock

Haha, well in jrb, I think his minders must think the same everyday. :lol:

Exactly.

I like Kids In The Riots, he always tells the truth.

"Nurse!"
"Can you take me back to my padded cell now please"

No I can't. Got too much respect for Yosh, Paul, Toady and a host of other Liverpool forum members to.....

However, if you're not 101% sure where Royal Birkdale is, click on the link and then the icon. http://www.royalbirkdale.com/location

If it is not in Metropolitan LIVERPOOL it must be someplace else. If not Metro Liverpool, where?

Yawn, I can almost see from my back garden, most of it comes within St Helens metro, parts of the grounds are in Wigan metro

BTW distance to Manchester from Haydock park...20.4 miles, distance to Liverpool ...22.8 so its closer to Manc, but who gives a monkeys ,only been once , have no interest in horse racing

No I can't. Got too much respect for Yosh, Paul, Toady and a host of other Liverpool forum members to

Well in JRB, you can tell the Olympics have finished, I've got too much time on my hands getting involved.

I don't think you'd have got that response if you were talking about an estate like Tower Hamlets, then it would most certainly belong to Merseyside, well we're not, and it does.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HaydockI wonder why it hurts so much that all these venues are reported and located, by the world wide press, to be in a certain city? So yeah, maybe the world press (except BBC) are wrong, but who gives a shit, it is the brand that is mentioned and, most people don't give a damn to check it's veracity anyway. :)

By the way, I have been invited to a Christening in High Carrs, (the invitation says Liverpool) next month. Will I really be in Liverpool?:wink2:

I think Haydock is right slap bang in the middle so we can share it! last time I went there was lots of Mancs and scousers! Had some good banter with loads of scousers to be honest :) - Some good lads and made me realise us Mancs are not that different to scousers - unlike that certain someone would have you believe!:bash:

I wonder why it hurts so much that all these venues are reported and located, by the world wide press, to be in a certain city? So yeah, maybe the world press (except BBC) are wrong, but who gives a shit, it is the brand that is mentioned and, most people don't give a damn to check it's veracity anyway. :)

By the way, I have been invited to a Christening in High Carrs, (the invitation says Liverpool) next month. Will I really be in Liverpool?:wink2:

Knowsley borough (But really Liverpool) - Bit like Old Trafford is Manchester!:nuts:

Well in JRB, you can tell the Olympics have finished, I've got too much time on my hands getting involved.

Remember all those years ago when it was proper handbags, not this .....

I think we all burnt ourselves out in the end. Another black coffee and a long night in front of the monitor and keyboard. :lol:

Many of the originals have given up the fight and rightly moved on, or fallen by the wayside.

Thankfully 99% of us on both sides have now..... You know what I mean that man. :grouphug:

You can only go round in circles so many times JRB, I'm just happy to be from this region to be honest, it serves me well.

I think Haydock is right slap bang in the middle so we can share it!

You can use it with our permission.:naughty:

Why is everywhere in a city?

Haydock clearly is not in a city, be it Liverpool or Manchester.

Why is everywhere in a city?

Haydock clearly is not in a city, be it Liverpool or Manchester.

Yes not in either but heavily utilised by inhabitants of both cities

Why is everywhere in a city?

Haydock clearly is not in a city, be it Liverpool or Manchester.
Quite
Euxtex claimed it was in the Liverpool metro area, seeing as he relishes in correcting any false claims from Mancs , he needed his lies to be corrected also

Its in the St Helens wooly town metro area

Haydock is a bad woolsville, loads of bad wools at the races but a healthy dose of Scouse as well. Chester races is well more Scouse.

Having said that we're having Haydock as it falls inside the line on the map which all the cranks rely on.

Do one wools, in your face cranks.

Read this muppet http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2012/jul/24/london-olympics-learn-manchester-games


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The Commonwealth Games in Manchester Photograph: Tom Jenkins for the Guardian
Two hundred miles north of London, a modern Olympic-style stadium, built by an adventurous city council for the 2002 Commonwealth Games, is raking in £4m annually for the town hall. The cash is distributed to a variety of sporting ventures, thanks to a ticket-sale spin-off agreement with the Premier League champions now using the council-owned stadium.

Alongside this stadium, a state-of-the art velodrome played a pivotal role in developing Britain's cycling talent for the string of gold medals at the last Olympic Games in Beijing. Hopes are high for a repeat performance at the 2012 Olympics.

In a London-centric nation, a few senior politicians and bureaucrats who should know better sneer at the mention of Manchester's Games legacy. Yet for sporting organisation at its best – driven by municipal enterprise – perhaps it's time that the executive unit within the Department for Culture, Media and Sport charged with overseeing the Olympics took a reality check. Manchester was the pace-setter for London 2012. It put Britain back on the international sporting map.

Sure, the Olympics is a much larger event than the more humble Commonwealth Games. The budget for the mammoth east London enterprise has risen at least four-fold above the original £2.4bn estimate – probably much more when botched security is factored in. Manchester trained 1,800 staff from the council and the (municipal-owned) airport to supplement its Games security.

Lessons should have been learned – notably, getting an end-user for the stadium tied up well in advance. The council did a deal with Manchester City FC to move from its Maine Road ground – gifted to the council for housing – eastwards across the city to a 48,000-seat stadium, with the athletics track removed. When stadium capacity exceeds 32,000 – as it does at every home game – the council shares ticket proceeds.

The London organisers, of course, have failed miserably in this essential task for the Olympic stadium. Once-vaunted legacy projects remain in limbo. Manchester city council, which made a seemingly outrageous bid for the 2000 Olympics – trumped in the end by Sydney – had available land, and stadium planning, in place when it subsequently moved for the 2002 Commonwealth Games.

I recall the outcry from the London political establishment and sections of the national press. Manchester was accused of being out of its depth while making covert demands on hard-pressed taxpayers. Manchester took a gamble. Whitehall got cold feet. The then sceptical sports secretary, Tessa Jowell, was not happy when the government had to authorise what now seems a relatively puny £120m as a safety net.

How wrong they all were. The Games proved the most successful of their kind. As Sir Howard Bernstein, chief executive of Manchester city council recalls, they provided the launchpad for the London Olympic bid.

Bernstein says that, before the 2002 Manchester Games, Britain did not have a good reputation for organising world-class events. He recalls Jacques Rogge, president of the International Olympic Committee, saying: "These Games have shown that the UK can organise big international sporting events."

As a former northern editor of the Guardian, proud of its Manchester heritage, I have a soft spot for the city. The city, and its surrounding nine metropolitan councils, now share some functions as a Greater Manchester combined authority. They have plans: creating a £1.2bn infrastructure fund for public transport projects, along with other funds for training, apprenticeships and housing. Other cities want to follow suit, challenging the might of London. A tall order, certainly. But at least a start in rebalancing England and the most centralised economy in Europe.

All good stuff but the 2002 games don't seem to have inspired the locals to sporting prowess. Of the 541 members of Team GB, only 4 were Manchester born. Surely the legacy should have resulted in more local sporting talent of the highest class.

A missed opportunity?

All good stuff but the 2002 games don't seem to have inspired the locals to sporting prowess. Of the 541 members of Team GB, only 4 were Manchester born. Surely the legacy should have resulted in more local sporting talent of the highest class.

A missed opportunity?

East.

Legacy doesn't just mean members of the GB team.

I think you'll find on any given day there are plenty of locals in the Velodrome, the new indoor BMX track, the athletics stadium, the tennis and squash courts, and all the other sporting venues. In another two years you can add the Manchester City training complex, which will be accessible to local people.(I might bring my boots just in case :lol:)

As it was pre-2002 Commonwealth Games. Note the Velodrome and the gas tank in the corner, that is still there.

http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/6594/comsp.jpg

As it will be 2014.(Metrolink line/stop and bridge spanning the junction not visible on the model). Yes I know it's only a model. (I took the picture at the preseantation)

http://img807.imageshack.us/img807/162/picture511.jpg

Please don't try and make out the 2002 Commonwealth Games legacy has failed. Even you aren't that...........

Haydock is a bad woolsville, loads of bad wools at the races but a healthy dose of Scouse as well. Chester races is well more Scouse.

Having said that we're having Haydock as it falls inside the line on the map which all the cranks rely on.

Do one wools, in your face cranks.

Haydock is mine, I can see the trees from my window. Can you:lol:

All good stuff but the 2002 games don't seem to have inspired the locals to sporting prowess. Of the 541 members of Team GB, only 4 were Manchester born. Surely the legacy should have resulted in more local sporting talent of the highest class.

A missed opportunity?
Does not matter if they where born in Manc or not, take Sir Chris Hoy, if it was not for Manchester he would not be the greatest British Olympian ever.

Thank you Manchester for your legacy

And let's not forget East, the Velodrome is 'home' to British Cycling', and has produced how many Olympic gold medal winners over the last....

The president of British Cycling has said the organisation will remain "loyal" to Manchester and not move to London's Olympic velodrome.

Brian Cookson said 'Manchester would remain the home of cycling' as the city had been "really supportive". http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-19178947

Without any doubt, the Manchester commonwealth games have greatly influenced the London Olympics

No wonder they put on a show of chimneys to herald the start (eh Langur)

Stop it Oscar

Little known fact, in 1996 British Cycling went bust and could not afford the gas and electric bills for the velodrome.

Manchester City Council paid the bills and the rest, all the gold medals, is history.

Haydock is mine, I can see the trees from my window. Can you:lol:

It's all yours Oscar so long as we're allowed a couple of days at the racing each year!

It's all yours Oscar so long as we're allowed a couple of days at the racing each year!

TBH You wont find me adding to the crowds on the grandstand,its not my thing, been once and was bored, the cafe does nice hotdogs though

BBC Sports also locate the "Liverpool Race Meeting" (Grand National) in "Northwest" England and not even Merseyside.. This despite being listed in all British news outlets (except BBC) as "Liverpool".
Haven't I called you out on this bullshit before?

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=79672774

No he is not

I don't think that you should conduct your role as moderator in this way.

EuTex is a total pillock, don't defend it.

Little known fact, in 1996 British Cycling went bust and could not afford the gas and electric bills for the velodrome.

Manchester City Council paid the bills and the rest, all the gold medals, is history.




The velodrome was considered a white elephant until the Lottery funding kicked in. The facility is great, but the current success is more down to funding and expertise.

I don't think that you should conduct your role as moderator in this way.
In what way? Defending someone who is being asked why they are saying something they are not? I am doing my job just fine thank you. If you can't see the effect Eux is having in this forum, and the unrelenting hatred toward the Mancuniansn than good for you. I however will not stand for it any longer.

Wikipedia can say what it want's, Birmingham was the "engineroom of the Empire".Manchester was "cottonopolis".

Wikipedia doesn't say anything. It only repeats what respected academics have said previously.

And respected academics differ from your good self in that they don't suffer from a jealously complex over their bigger neighbouring city which also happened to be the first industrial city anywhere in the world.

Wasn't Ancoats the world's first industrial suburb?

LOL. Can't wait til Euxtex reads this.

London slips down list of best cities despite glorious Olympics

Australia may have been trounced by Britain at the Olympics but its dejected sports stars can take some comfort from the fact that their cities have been judged far better places to live.

London has fallen two places in an index of the best cities because of last year's riots

Melbourne is the best city in the world to live in while Sydney, Adelaide and Perth also make the top 10 and Brisbane comes in at number 20, according to the Economist Intelligence Unit global “liveability” study.

By contrast there is not a single British city in the top 50.

London, basking in the afterglow of the hugely successful Games that saw Team GB reach third place in the medal table, is judged to be just the 55th most desirable place to live in the world and has fallen in the rankings after last summer’s riots.

Manchester remains Britain’s best city according to the study, which looks at crime levels, education, health care, culture and infrastructure, but it also dropped points to reach number 51 following the widespread looting and disorder that reached its shopping centres last August.

Jon Copestake, the survey's editor, said: “UK cities have seen a slight downgrade in liveability due to the mass outbreaks of civil unrest that took place last year.

“Although hosting the Olympics has subsequently provided a definite boost for London's profile, it was already among the world's most vibrant cities, with plenty to see and do, so has had no impact on overall lifestyle.”

The EIU first began ranking cities to test whether or not companies should pay staff a hardship allowance if they make employees relocate to a different country.

Its researchers look at how “tolerable” it is to live in a particular place given its crime levels, threat of conflict, quality of medical care, levels of censorship, temperature, schools and transport links.

In the latest rankings for 2012, Melbourne came top having overtaken Vancouver in Canada.

Australia’s second city is famed for its sporting events, although is perhaps still best known in Britain as the setting for the soap opera Neighbours.

According to the EIU Melbourne came close to recording a “perfect score” with a liveability rating of 97.5 per cent, losing points only for climate, culture and petty crime.

Like most of the cities at the top of the league, it is much less crowded than the long-established metropolis of London.

“Australian cities continue to thrive in terms of liveability: Not only do they benefit from the natural advantages of low population density, but they have continued to improve with some high profile infrastructure investments," said Mr Copestake.

The study said that mid-sized cities in wealthy countries can support “a range of recreational activities”, again suggesting that Australia under-performed at the Olympics.

Londoners need not lose heart however, as the report noted that “global business centres tend to be victims of their own success”.
“The ‘big city buzz’ they enjoy can overstretch infrastructure and cause higher crime rates.”

In total Australia – which finished 10th in the Olympics medal count, with just seven golds compared with Britain’s 29 – has four cities in the top 10.
Auckland, New Zealand, also makes the premier league along with three Canadian cities - Vancouver, Toronto and Calgary.

Just two European destinations make the cut – Vienna and Helsinki.
Unsurprisingly, unrest in the Middle East and North Africa has damaged the scores of cities such as Damascus in Syria, now ranked 130th out of the 140 surveyed.

Dhaka in Bangladesh props up the table, although the EIU does not include trouble spots such as Kabul, Baghdad or Mogadishu on the grounds that few companies are likely to send staff to live there.

Best ten cities to live in, according to the Economist Intelligence Unit global 'liveability' study;

Melbourne, Australia
Vienna, Austria
Vancouver, Canada
Toronto, Canada
Calgary, Canada
Adelaide, Australia
Sydney, Australia
Helsinki, Finland
Perth, Australia
Auckland, New Zealand

And the worst ten;

Abidjan, Côte d’Ivoire
Tehran, Iran
Douala, Cameroon
Tripoli, Libya
Karachi, Pakistan
Algiers, Algeria
Harare, Zimbabwe
Lagos, Nigeria
Port Moresby, Papua New Guinea
Dhaka, Bangladesh



.... and non of the best are in America, either. The supposed "Greatest Nation on Earth". Pff.

In what way? Defending someone who is being asked why they are saying something they are not? I am doing my job just fine thank you. If you can't see the effect Eux is having in this forum, and the unrelenting hatred toward the Mancuniansn than good for you. I however will not stand for it any longer.

Whilst not wishing to defend his obsessive postings regarding Manchester; I have yet to see him use foul language or personal insult towards anyone.

There are, however, plenty of others who do just that on a regular basis. There are a number of Manchester forummers, in particular, who regularly trot out disparaging remarks about other cities, and use foul language; I know that seems to be the whole point of this sub-forum, but as a more distant observer, I don't see anything being done about that by any moderators.

I think you crossed a line, as a moderator, in discussing a PM in a public forum, and in what does come across as a very uneven-handed and biased way. I think you have been too involved in all of the shenanigans on this particular sub-forum to be a neutral or fair moderator.

But you are correct, that is my opinion.

hierarchical

LOL. Can't wait til Euxtex reads this.





.... and non of the best are in America, either. The supposed "Greatest Nation on Earth". Pff.

Those surveys are still bullshit. Using last years riots as a reason to push London further down is silly, it's like they're saying these riots occur all the time so they're going to have a detrimental impact on the daily life of Londoners. :nuts:

Besides, what's so great about Sydney or Vancouver? The former has seen large increases in crime and thuggery and is ridiculously overpriced, while the latter is ridiculously overpriced, plagued with crime and has poor job opportunities. And then we have Helsinki, a city with one of the highest rates of homicide and suicide in Europe.. yeah, what a fantastic place. Don't get me started on Perth either.. there's nothing redeeming about that place, ask any native Perth resident.

They should start including other cities too, like Bristol.

The velodrome was considered a white elephant until the Lottery funding kicked in. The facility is great, but the current success is more down to funding and expertise.

Indeed, but it would never have between there without the 2000 Olympic bid or the council rescuing them before the lottery took up the reigns.

They had to build the velodrome to actually place a bid anyway as you need one venue to already be built or something along those lines.

EuTex is a total pillock, don't defend it.Where have I heard this before? Oh yeah! I remember, it was 1930's Germany when people complained that someone was being vilified and abused they were told, "He is only a Jew, don't defend it". I'm afraid history is repeating it's self. If debate, opinions and ideas threaten or offend you then you are in the wrong country.

There are a number of Manchester forummers, in particular, who regularly trot out disparaging remarks about other cities, and use foul language; I know that seems to be the whole point of this sub-forum, but as a more distant observer, I don't see anything being done about that by any moderators.
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What you don't understand that this guy comes on the Manchester sub-forum and abuses (only) Mancunians at every given oppurtunity. Even the more level headed Liverpool forum members think he is a dick - yet you come on here almost defending him? - It confirms what I already thought.

I don't think many mancunians (if any) go onto the liverpool sub-forum and abuse anyone or make claims about Liverpool - Yes sometimes in the city v city forum it may occur - but it pretty harmless and everyone gets involved including Leeds, Mancs and scousers - its just a bit of stupid light hearted banter.

And please dont take your self frustration out on Tonks - he is defending us because he sees the crap this guy spews out on all of our sites - you however only see what you want to see!!!

In what way? Defending someone who is being asked why they are saying something they are not? I am doing my job just fine thank you. If you can't see the effect Eux is having in this forum, and the unrelenting hatred toward the Mancuniansn than good for you. I however will not stand for it any longer.And you are confusing a dislike of a place with hate. You are also victimizing the victim. I have never wished death on anyone, Manc or otherwise, I have not used filth and abusive language against anyone, yourself included, I have not threatened to expose anyone on open forum, I have invited those who think they have personal information on myself to publish it in open forum. I have had provocations galore and NOT ONCE RESPONDED IN KIND. I once complained to yourself, a "Moderator", but to no avail. You did and, still are, choosing to side with the filth and hate mongers. For the record.

I DO NOT START DEBATES ABOUT MANC, I RESPOND TO PROVOCATIONS BY MANCS.

.... and non of the best are in America, either.Or in the United Kingdom.:)

This post is in response to the post, quoted, by VDB who included me in his submission as follows.LOL. Can't wait til Euxtex reads this.

What you don't understand that this guy comes on the Manchester sub-forum and abuses (only) Mancunians at every given oppurtunity. Even the more level headed Liverpool forum members think he is a dick - yet you come on here almost defending him? - It confirms what I already thought.

I don't think many mancunians (if any) go onto the liverpool sub-forum and abuse anyone or make claims about Liverpool - Yes sometimes in the city v city forum it may occur - but it pretty harmless and everyone gets involved including Leeds, Mancs and scousers - its just a bit of stupid light hearted banter.

And please dont take your self frustration out on Tonks - he is defending us because he sees the crap this guy spews out on all of our sites - you however only see what you want to see!!!

Yes and he only does it because idiots reply to him, stop relying, put him on ignore and he will go away, it really is that simple.

It seems many Mancs actually enjoy him posting his bullshit lies for some reason, god knows what other reason they would have to encourage him to do it.

Bizarre.

Yes and he only does it because idiots reply to him, stop relying, put him on ignore and he will go away, it really is that simple.

It seems many Mancs actually enjoy him posting his bullshit lies for some reason, god knows what other reason they would have to encourage him to do it.

Bizarre.


Please explain how I was replying to him? There is no reference to his name in my post - this was to the other Manc hating troll :bash:

If debate, opinions and ideas

:lol:

Please explain how I was replying to him? There is no reference to his name in my post - this was to the other Manc hating troll :bash:

In which case, I am not reffereing to you as an idiot.

And you are confusing a dislike of a place with hate. You are also victimizing the victim. I have never wished death on anyone, Manc or otherwise, I have not used filth and abusive language against anyone, yourself included, I have not threatened to expose anyone on open forum, I have invited those who think they have personal information on myself to publish it in open forum. I have had provocations galore and NOT ONCE RESPONDED IN KIND. I once complained to yourself, a "Moderator", but to no avail. You did and, still are, choosing to side with the filth and hate mongers. For the record.

I DO NOT START DEBATES ABOUT MANC, I RESPOND TO PROVOCATIONS BY MANCS.

To be fair I posted 'Imagine if there was no Euxtex'. Obviously related to the famous John Lemon song.

Now, you can look at that in many ways. To me it was a light hearted hint at what SSC would be like without Eutuex and his.....(take your time and fill in as appropriate) In my honest opinion nothing malicious was meant or intended by my..... Some may disagree. I'll leave that up to you to decide.

Please feel free to check if you really must. Post 18894 onwards. http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=158872&page=945

Then came one of the the replies, which was expected TBH.

You on the other hand are stuck in a dismal, damp, dank, dirty and dangerous rainy ugly city, scrimping and scratching for a miserable existence.

TBF to Eutuex he doesn't know me from adam, so how he reached that conclusion about me and my life(in general) is beyond me. Only he knows.

TBH I've not got a problem with Eutuex wanting to correct.(cough!) If that's what he wants to do, fair enough. Good for him.

But, is there really any need for the constant(see above)Manchester bashing? I think we all know by now he doesn't like the city. He's given his reasons, but there comes a point when even he must think, as an Adult, it's time to call it a day. No?

You put your left arm in
your left arm out
In, out, in, out,
You shake it all about.
You do the Hokey Cokey and you turn around
That's what it's all about...

As for me, I will continue watching from the sidelines.

I always feel like......

CgPv3bcnDis

What you don't understand that this guy comes on the Manchester sub-forum and abuses (only) Mancunians at every given oppurtunity. Even the more level headed Liverpool forum members think he is a dick - yet you come on here almost defending him? - It confirms what I already thought.

I don't think many mancunians (if any) go onto the liverpool sub-forum and abuse anyone or make claims about Liverpool - Yes sometimes in the city v city forum it may occur - but it pretty harmless and everyone gets involved including Leeds, Mancs and scousers - its just a bit of stupid light hearted banter.

And please dont take your self frustration out on Tonks - he is defending us because he sees the crap this guy spews out on all of our sites - you however only see what you want to see!!!

And what is it that you already think? And what are the "self-frustrations" that you talk of? I have not got a clue.

I don't like injustice - wherever I see it. You might see name -calling as "light-hearted banter" - but many people do not see it that way. Once the name-calling starts you have de-humanised that person - and that leads to inevitable abuse and further insults.

I don't know why Eux-Tex hates Manchester so - but the responses he gets are equally as vile - if not worse, in my opinion.

Is it me who you are calling " a Manc-hating troll"?

Sloyne does what he does to get the reaction he gets.

You are seriously naive Jane.

Otherwise why would he make up the bull shit he does, just to be able to talk about Manchester?

I still don't get why anyone replies to him, you ain't going to change his mind.

Sloyne does what he does to get the reaction he gets.

You are seriously naive Jane.

Otherwise why would he make up the bull shit he does, just to be able to talk about Manchester?

I still don't get why anyone replies to him, you ain't going to change his mind.

What am I naive about? I know what he does - but I also see how others respond. I'm not trying to 'change' anyone; why do you think I want to change anyone? How would I go about that?

If someone is abusive & name-calling; for example, I think I may just have been called a "Manc -hating troll" ,then is that not also an infringement of the rules, which should ,equally, result in being banned or whatever?


I'm not responding any further on this issue - even if someone tries to provoke with insults and ill-thought out assumptions about what or who they think I am.

What does this sub-forum exist for? Because it sure is not just Euxtex who drags it down to gutter level.

What am I naive about? I know what he does - but I also see how others respond. I'm not trying to 'change' anyone; why do you think I want to change anyone? How would I go about that?

If someone is abusive & name-calling; for example, I think I may just have been called a "Manc -hating troll" ,then is that not also an infringement of the rules, which should ,equally, result in being banned or whatever?

I'm not responding any further on this issue - even if someone tries to provoke with insults and ill-thought out assumptions about what or who they think I am.

What does this sub-forum exist for? Because it sure is not just Euxtex who drags it down to gutter level.

I am not saying you are trying to change anyone's mind, those that reply to sloyne are. You are incredibly naive thinking that the reaction that you are so upset by are not exactly what he is after and sets out to receive.

It is not just this subforum, but also the Manchester one that he tries to ruin with this attitude and approach .

I am guessing you cannot think of many examples of other people who have gone out of their way to invent bull shit stories and then post them on a forum just to have a go at a place, likewise his continuous lies (that I assume he continues to this day - I have him on ignore) that sloyne is not the same person as eutex (or whatever he posts as today).

He is an obnoxious bull shitter , who are incredibly naive not being able to see what he is aiming to do.

Anyway, I am giving him what he wants so will leave it at that.

I can think of plenty of posters on here who often post provocative comments on purpose who aren't lambasted trolls. Some people on here take it too far and it's silly.

Eutex has given his reasons on numerous occasions. We(SSC in general) are fully aware of them. Reasons accepted. Move on. The end!

However, the vitriol regarding Manchester continues unabated.

Just for one moment put yourself in a Mancunian pair of size 9's.

If another forum member wrote this about Liverpool, and about you, how would you......(I'm not going to even second guess your reply)


You on the other hand are stuck in a dismal, damp, dank, dirty and dangerous rainy ugly city, scrimping and scratching for a miserable existence.

Exactly.

I know Liverpool isn't those things. And I certainly wouldn't try and second guess what your existence is like.

This is a bit boring, but bear with me.(I'm rubbish at stuff like this)

Long before you started posting, Feb 2010, the Manchester and Liverpool forums were in absolute turmoil. Constantly at each others throats.(and yes I was involved) It was a nightmare. Gothic and the MODS were having a nightmare trying to stop it. Thankfully over time(years) and with B4mmy becoming a MOD for both forums, posters on both forums saw sense and stopped bashing each others cities. Obviously there is still the odd spat, but it is nothing like it used to be.

However, and this is where I point the finger, only Eutex continues his one man campaign against Manchester. As far as I know that isn't reciprocated towards Liverpool by any other Manchester forum members.(I stand corrected) Even more telling is the fact that the majority of decent Liverpool forum members have little or no time for Eutex and his....(feel free to correct me)

Yes you are right that Eutex shouldn't be abused, but in the same breath he shouldn't set himself up to be abused by constantly bashing Manchester.

At the end of the day Eutex is the only person who can stop all this.(or Gothic or one of the Mods can) Once he stops, if he ever does, I'm sure the forums will finally settle down for good.

Now wouldn't that be.......

At the end of the day Eutex is the only person who can stop all this.I respond to post like your own (above). I do not initiate exchanges. Do try and be a bit objective. Thanks!

I respond to post like your own (above). I do not initiate exchanges. Do try and be a bit objective. Thanks!

Ever? Have never?

Even if you didn't, and the light hearted post was initiated by yours truly, why the need for this reply?

Imagine if Eutex......

Follwed by.

You on the other hand are stuck in a dismal, damp, dank, dirty and dangerous rainy ugly city, scrimping and scratching for a miserable existence.

Second guessing Eutex.

You can't detach yourself can you. It's the be all and end all. The persona must be continued, regardless.

Even if you didn't, and the light hearted post was initiated by yours truey, why the need for this reply?Can I claim it is for the same reason you have replied to my post? And you are helpless when it comes to continuing with the provocation (see below.);)You can't detach yourself can you. It's the be all and end all. The persona must be continued, regardless.

Can I claim it is for the same reason you have replied to my post?

I've not replied to you in general for months/years. My choice. In fact I'm the one who championed the Eutex ignore button.(remember?) It matters not to me eitherway. I can take you or leave you in that sense.

I accept your reasons for disliking Manchester. You have every right to explain and voice those reasons, which you have done on numerous occasisons.

But what I'm struggling with is the need for you to continually bash Manchester. I honestly don't see what purpose it serves. Do you? Please explain.

On the flip side. I can fully understand why you need to correct Mancunian forum members, if what you perceive is an inaccurate post, and is misleading in any way whatsoever.

If it wasn't and still isn't, you would have stopped a long time ago. Of that I am 100% certain. Not provocation, just the truth.

[QUOTE]And what is it that you already think? And what are the "self-frustrations" that you talk of? I have not got a clue.

I dont know you - but online you post mainly pictures (good ones at that:)) - but you only seem to get involved in this forum when it involves a Mancunian member? This time you have defended a person who has some serious hate issues regarding Manchester and its people - why would you do that? It appears some kind of frustration about Manchester - I will be corrected if not....

I don't like injustice - wherever I see it. You might see name -calling as "light-hearted banter" - but many people do not see it that way. Once the name-calling starts you have de-humanised that person - and that leads to inevitable abuse and further insults.

The name calling is usually city based crap - There is nothing personal in it and none of us know each other so how can we have de-humanised someone :lol:

I don't know why Eux-Tex hates Manchester so - but the responses he gets are equally as vile - if not worse, in my opinion.

If that is the case I agree that it is wrong to be foul mouthed in an open forum - This however really would stop if he just leaves our forum alone.

Is it me who you are calling " a Manc-hating troll"?[/

I didn't like the way you defended someone who depises a city and its people I live in - This appears to be trollish behaivour trying to fan the flames and give someone not worthy an ally...but in the spirit of goodwill I will apologise if offence was taken.

If that is the case I agree that it is wrong to be foul mouthed in an open forum - This however really would stop if he just leaves our forum alone.By "our forum", I am assuming you mean the Manchester forum. Am I right? If yes, then I am in agreement, however, if one of you should happen to include my name, in a provocative manner, in your forum then I reserve the right to respond.

I'm sorry, but you bring it on yourself. You hurl so much at Manchester, if they said these things about Liverpool or Birmingham I would give them the same dressing down. Don't slag off someone's hometown and not expect retaliation.

By "our forum", I am assuming you mean the Manchester forum. Am I right? If yes, then I am in agreement, however, if one of you should happen to include my name, in a provocative manner, in your forum then I reserve the right to respond.

Yes I mean Manchester sub-forum - You can say what you want in City bashing - that is what it is here for - But just stop your posting in the Manchester forum and ruining threads with pages of tit for tat and we'll all be a happier bunch :cheers: god think we might have a breakthrough here :)

[QUOTE=openlyJane;94214664]



I dont know you - but online you post mainly pictures (good ones at that:)) - but you only seem to get involved in this forum when it involves a Mancunian member? This time you have defended a person who has some serious hate issues regarding Manchester and its people - why would you do that? It appears some kind of frustration about Manchester - I will be corrected if not....



The name calling is usually city based crap - There is nothing personal in it and none of us know each other so how can we have de-humanised someone :lol:



If that is the case I agree that it is wrong to be foul mouthed in an open forum - This however really would stop if he just leaves our forum alone.



I didn't like the way you defended someone who depises a city and its people I live in - This appears to be trollish behaivour trying to fan the flames and give someone not worthy an ally...but in the spirit of goodwill I will apologise if offence was taken.

I am a fully grown adult, with three adult children;& I have lived in a variety of locations around Britain, not just Liverpool. I find your "Manc-hating troll" comments to be utterly laughable & juvenile.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1522830&highlight=manchester

Check out this photographic thread I started for Manchester ( Wonders whether you would ever reciprocate for any other city other than your own?).

If it is true that I have only posted comments in relation to Manchester, I would like to see the evidence.
However, I suspect that I mainly comment at times when those Manchester forummers that post self-aggrandising comments and claiming all sorts of glory for Manchester as a way of an attempted put-down of other cities, rear their heads with clear lack of knowledge of the Liverpool city region - since my motivationg force is to present and promote all that the Liverpool City Region has to offer.

It does strike me that on this sub-forum that it always seems to be Manchester versus Birmingham; Manchester Versus Leeds; Manchester Versus Liverpool. It is natural to feel proud and attached to your home city - but it does seem to be mainly some of the Manchester forummers who like to big-up their city by denigrating others.
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If pointing out that observation makes me a "Manc- hating troll" then it is impossible for someone like me, to converse with someone like you.

If your apologies are genuine, then I accept them, of course. :cheers:

Jane - pay a visit to all the cities subforums.

In the Brum forum, amongst many other examples, you will find a thread about why the BBC is always biased towards Manc - started by a Brummie.

In the Liverpool forum (less so now than before) often cannot fail to mention Manchester within the first page or so - well before any Manc comes along.

The Leeds forum has a similar - although less pronounced trait.

Yet you will never ever see any city mentioned in a negative manner in the Manc forum, not until someone like Sloyne pops along and starts making negative remarks about Manc in comparison to there home town.

There is more than one way of seeing things, if you saw the amount of crap posted all over the UK forums about your home town as Mancs do I suspect you would have a different view.

Maybe if there were fewer non-Mancs so fixated by the city there would be many fewer Manc v elsewhere discussions.




For example, in the current top three threads in the Liverpool forum right now -
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1537997
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1351855
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=402082

Manchester gets mentioned in the 1st, 3rd and 16th post (not page, post) respectively - well before any Manc has posted.

This is repeated over and over.

There are a fair few on here far more fixated with Manc than any other city for whatever reason.

I'm sorry, but you bring it on yourself. You hurl so much at Manchester, if they said these things about Liverpool or Birmingham I would give them the same dressing down. Don't slag off someone's hometown and not expect retaliation.Like I said and which you have chosen to ignore, I respond to provocations. I think that even you might agree that if/when under attack, respond in kind. I, however don't, I omit the filth and abuse I receive.

I would hold you to the above (in bold) if I didn't already point out some of the glaring attacks, not just on Liverpool but, particular, Birmingham and Leeds. In your defense, you may not have read those posts. Some unkind people might think that could be classed as selective myopia. I'm not one of those people.;)

This thread really is the gutter of ssc and all posters in here wallow in it getting some perverse kick
Euxtec will be sat at home laughing to himself and getting a.kick out of all the vitriol coming his way

Maybe if there were fewer non-Mancs so fixated by the city there would be many fewer Manc v elsewhere discussions.


For example, in the current top three threads in the Liverpool forum right now -
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1537997
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1351855
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Manchester gets mentioned in the 1st, 3rd and 16th post (not page, post) respectively - well before any Manc has posted.

This is repeated over and over.

There are a fair few on here far more fixated with Manc than any other city for whatever reason.

Kurt, you do have a strange obsession with other city's forums even mentioning Manchester.
Your three examples prove this.

The first is a discussion on Liverpool potentially bidding to host the Commonwealth Games. Was the hugely successful Manchester 2002 games not supposed to be mentioned?!

The second is a discussion on urban public transport. The post you refer to suggests a tram network. Was this poster not supposed to mention Metrolink - Britain's biggest tram network, currently undergoing a massive expansion and upgrade?!

The third is a discussion about John Lennon Airport. Is no poster allowed to mention the rival airport 40 mins down the road?!


The reason Manchester gets mentioned so often on the Liverpool forum is simple. It's a bigger place that is 10 years ahead of Liverpool in regeneration. And it's 40 mins down the road. It's almost the perfect benchmark for non-London regeneration.

If that was the case, people were looking at the place in such positive terms we would not get the type of comments that we do from Awayo, Poli etc.

Remember Poli's 'campaign' against the BBC moving up here?

It must not happen under any circumstances was a common response from him a couple of years back.

I'm afraid if your home town is mentioned all the time, often in a very negative manner - see Liverpool airport thread - then expect a response.

I'll repeat, if the same happened in reverse then it would people people from other cities doing the same. It's the fact that those in Liverpool, Leeds and Brum comment on Manc on such a regular basis that leads to Manc's being involved in discussions with people from all the cities and not the other way around.

I don't recall any negative posts about Manchester in the Liverpool Commonwealth Games thread.

We're all aware there's a few obsessives from all cities. You can't not admit there's a few Manc forumers (not naming names) who have an incredibly arrogant and ignorant demeanour. Although you've probably got them on ignore ;) :lol:

I agree, in the past I have been, fly and volde still are.

I am simply explaining, in response to Jane's post earlier, why it is always Manc v everywhere. In my opinion far more people from other cities feel the need to talk about Manchester well before they would talk about anywhere else.

I predict when the HS2 decision on the northern section is announced there will be several scousers on the Manchester forum making comparisons, in a negative manner with regards Manchester.

They will not do the same on the Birmingham, Sheffield, Nottingham or Leeds forums, other cities that will get the HS2 stations.

That is because you do not seem to grasp that Manchester is our nearest competitor (in the same region) for everything. Ignoring it and focusing on Nottingham would be weird.

But why don't Manc's go on about whatever our main competitor should be?

Why do people on all the forums consider Manc to be the main competitor worthy of mention all the time?

Anyway, whether it is a valid reason (I tend to think not, but that is not relevant here) the answer to Jane's initial question about why it is Manc v everywhere is because everywhere tends to want to talk about Manc more than anywhere else.

Ive seen Liverpool and Birmingham get mentioned on the manc forums.

Before or after a scouser / Brummie came over into the discussion?

Example please, love to see them, interesting to see if they are negative about the other place as to be honest, I cannot recollect a single one.

Check out this thread...

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=612931&page=119

From post 2363 onwards.

I'm sorry, but that kind of vitriol simply does not happen on the Manc forum, ever.

There are loads of such examples on the Liverpool forum and less so on the Leeds (transport) and Brum (transport but mainly media) forums.

The last time was about HS2 about a week ago.

The last time was about HS2 about a week ago.

Link?

Just re-read the Manchester HS2 thread back to the start of July, (positive) mentions of Brum in a couple of posts.

Did I miss something???

Whilst not wishing to defend his obsessive postings regarding Manchester; I have yet to see him use foul language or personal insult towards anyone.

There are, however, plenty of others who do just that on a regular basis. There are a number of Manchester forummers, in particular, who regularly trot out disparaging remarks about other cities, and use foul language; I know that seems to be the whole point of this sub-forum, but as a more distant observer, I don't see anything being done about that by any moderators.

I think you crossed a line, as a moderator, in discussing a PM in a public forum, and in what does come across as a very uneven-handed and biased way. I think you have been too involved in all of the shenanigans on this particular sub-forum to be a neutral or fair moderator.

But you are correct, that is my opinion.

There are plenty of forumers from various Cities who regularly trot out disparaging remarks about other cities.

Whilst not wishing to defend his obsessive postings regarding Manchester; I have yet to see him use foul language or personal insult towards anyone.

There are, however, plenty of others who do just that on a regular basis. There are a number of Manchester forummers, in particular, who regularly trot out disparaging remarks about other cities, and use foul language; I know that seems to be the whole point of this sub-forum, but as a more distant observer, I don't see anything being done about that by any moderators.

I think you crossed a line, as a moderator, in discussing a PM in a public forum, and in what does come across as a very uneven-handed and biased way. I think you have been too involved in all of the shenanigans on this particular sub-forum to be a neutral or fair moderator.

But you are correct, that is my opinion.


Well said Jane, I agree.

But why don't Manc's go on about whatever our main competitor should be?

Why do people on all the forums consider Manc to be the main competitor worthy of mention all the time?

Anyway, whether it is a valid reason (I tend to think not, but that is not relevant here) the answer to Jane's initial question about why it is Manc v everywhere is because everywhere tends to want to talk about Manc more than anywhere else.

Because Manchester is seen to have an advantage over other cities for numerous reasons, whether it does or not is debatable but that's the prevailing opinion on the Leeds, Liverpool and Birmingham forums.

I'm sorry, but that kind of vitriol simply does not happen on the Manc forum, ever.


It probably has done, I'm sure there's been moments when I've seen Leeds mentioned but I've refrained from replying as to not create an argument.. do you expect me to trawl through hundreds of threads on the Manchester forum to find one such instance? I don't want to do that.. it's too much hard work and I'm not as bothered or determined to make a point as you are.

For the record, any such posts wouldn't be used in an inferiority complex way.. but more in a 'we're better than this place' type of way.

There are plenty of forumers from various Cities who regularly trot out disparaging remarks about other cities.

Of course. There is one user on here (no names being mentioned) who has said in the past that Leeds deserves an atom bomb, or something equally as ridiculous as that. This person appears to have a burning hatred for Leeds and its people for some bizarre reason.

Because Manchester is seen to have an advantage over other cities for numerous reasons, whether it does or not is debatable but that's the prevailing opinion on the Leeds, Liverpool and Birmingham forums.

Well there is the answer to Jane's question then.

That is all I have been saying - read back through this thread.

It probably has done, I'm sure there's been moments when I've seen Leeds mentioned but I've refrained from replying as to not create an argument.. do you expect me to trawl through hundreds of threads on the Manchester forum to find one such instance? I don't want to do that.. it's too much hard work and I'm not as bothered or determined to make a point as you are.

For the record, any such posts wouldn't be used in an inferiority complex way.. but more in a 'we're better than this place' type of way.

If it has been done in reverse, it is not done with the regularity and the scale as towards Manc.

I could name several people from the Leeds, Liverpool and Brum forums that only pick a fight over Manc issues - I would suggest that the Manc versions are most likely to have a scatter gun approach in reverse, aiming their wrath across all other cities.


Anyway Tomo - you were going to post that link to the vitriol pointed towards some other city in the Manc forum - akin to the unprovoked rubbish that came out of no where on the Liverpool retrail thread after Craig Lindsey's post. I could provide many others but I think that example, very recent is a perfect example of what I mean about people having a pop at the place for no reason, zero reason whatsoever, just totally out of the blue - I'm afraid if that does occur in reverse it is nothing like as often and nothing like are common given the large numbers from other cities who feel it necessary to aim their bile at all thing Manc.

But why don't Manc's go on about whatever our main competitor should be?

Why do people on all the forums consider Manc to be the main competitor worthy of mention all the time?

Anyway, whether it is a valid reason (I tend to think not, but that is not relevant here) the answer to Jane's initial question about why it is Manc v everywhere is because everywhere tends to want to talk about Manc more than anywhere else.

You have got it wrong, it's not about competition.

Manchester gets so much flak on here because of the ceaseless, mindless and incorrect boasting of some of its posters. For example, claims to be the UKs second city and an insistence that the county of GM is in fact a city.

More recently a poster ludicrously claimed that Manchester actually occupies the gap between London and the other provincial cities.

Is it any wonder claims such as this are ridiculed by posters from other comparable cities?

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Manchester gets so much flak on here because of the ceaseless, mindless and incorrect boasting of some of its posters. For example, claims to be the UKs second city and an insistence that the county of GM is in fact a city.


And what about all your posters that claim everywhere in Merseyside is in Liverpool? we've had numerous discussions on here about the wirral being in Liverpool, Royal Birkdale, Chester, Ellsemere Port etc etc - your guys are just as bad as us for overstating - but you can only see us Mancs doing this!

Arf, had not seen the obsessive Easts post.

So, in his world opinions, that are shared and repeated by some across the community (two opinion polls agree with the 2nd city crap, how many Scousers go on about Chester bring in the city region etc?), yet because the obsessive disagrees with these opinions he thinks it explains what vitriol seen in the Liverpool retail thread.

In fact that very post is a prime example of the inconsistency many non Manc posters have towards the city.

Imagine if it were the other way around, look at how many from Brum post about being second city, yet never any challenge on that opinion , yet it is somehow unacceptable for a Manc to post such an opinion despite there being evidence to suggest that the normal general public share this view to some extent. I am NOT saying Manchester is the second city, far from it, just the idea that some may share the opinion of many in the general public means it is ok to continually obsess about Manchester highlights the obsession with Manchester perfectly.

Likewise, I find it laughable personally how some people consider Chester to be in the Liverpool city region, however, it is their opinion and they are no more right or wrong than me and I certainly would not use it as an excuse to attack people from the place, again, the fact that it only causes aggression towards Manchester is another example of this pathetic obsession some on here have.

When people do mention Manchester, more often than not its in the context of discussion, for example as an exemplar of regeneration, or somewhere receives a disproportionate level of attention from government. It's really that simple.

A lot of mentions of Manchester on any of the subforums usually attract a Mancunian Patrol Troll, like a genie, more often than not ruins the discussion because he disagrees with everyone's opinion, and generally acts like an arse. Then other people start to dislike Manchester based on the Troll's inability to turn opinion by making condascending remarks and then goading.

Personally I think the vast majority of people on here couldn't give a shit about Manchester and are more interested in what's going on in there own neck of the woods. Your particular obsession with people mentioning Manchester partly stems from you pigeonholing people into groups who are represented in your head by people who dislike Manchester. Lay off the search.