sorry Mark but I strongly dissagree with you.. I am a fan of old fashioned traditions more so than most and I still say please, thanks, hold a door open for someone etc and so do the vast majority of the UK and I notice it more when I come back from abroad, of course you're going to get dick heads and ignorant pillocks wherever you go.. I had one just yesterday but why let it bother you and why let it cloud your judgment, there is a lot wrong with Birmingham and England but comparible to many other countries on the whole.. its a bloody paradise, besides it depends on what area you may live in as well, I have lived in dodgy parts of the region and hada shit time but I've also lived in fine areas and life has been much better.

:?

You seem to be highlighting a problem with British society Mark and nothing to do with Brum.

I find it very strange and very disappointing that you post on the Brum forums so much and then suddenly turn and become abusive.

I trust you won't be posting any more?

Thanks

What we sometimes forget Bio, and is quite often a major drawback with "virtual" forums like this, is that there is a complete cross section of the British public participating here, including different ages, which we often forget. On one hand you could be having a debate with a 40 year old, & in the next key stroke you could be arguing the toss with a 12 year old. Do you know what I mean?

I do FLD, I do.

Now where's my teddy? ;)

Oh - for the record, in this "dead place to live", this:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v173/Robdann/Construction%203/Bham4th112006141.jpg

Has just been sold for £150 million :cool:

Pic by Smileyface :cheers:

yea another low rise too really makes it alive big time doesnt it? :nuts: atleas tshow something 3 times bigger to prove such a comment its not dead etc...that whole area is all of the same height right now, its good but nothing too pant wetting.

I do appreciate Elizabeth what yoursaying but its so easy to get a clouded judgement when you get such a bad day as the one i had last week, if it evr becomes constant in your experience then it can oly be fair to tell how it is for oneself?

as far as not posting anymore im not sure? because i dont see it as my istake or fault if i got s**t experience living in Brum yet still like osme of its Gems, ihave a right to like what i like and dislike what i really dislike the same, Maybe our forum is just mostly biast all in all? thats my general feeling anyway? I still like some of the forumers Van heckler & Erebus seem really sound. think i'll just pop in now and again because i'd have to agree to disagree generally in terms of Birmingham been so friendly, Exciting, Biast & narrow minded, I know im not the only guy wh othinks that of Brum n omatter what you forumers say, your still just a drop from the bucket of water & enough people think brum is like average & not vibrant who are well tuned in to there stuff.

Que?

yea another low rise too really makes it alive big time doesnt it? atleas tshow something 3 times bigger to prove such a comment its not dead etc...that whole area is all of the same height right now, its good but nothing too pant wetting.

I do appreciate Elizabeth what yoursaying but its so easy to get a clouded judgement when you get such a bad day as the one i had last week, if it evr becomes constant in your experience then it can oly be fair to tell how it is for oneself?

as far as not posting anymore im not sure? because i dont see it as my istake or fault if i got s**t experience living in Brum yet still like osme of its Gems, ihave a right to like what i like and dislike what i really dislike the same, Maybe our forum is just mostly biast all in all? thats my general feeling anyway? I still like some of the forumers Van heckler & Erebus seem really sound. think i'll just pop in now and again because i'd have to agree to disagree generally in terms of Birmingham been so friendly, Exciting, Biast & narrow minded, I know im not the only guy wh othinks that of Brum n omatter what you forumers say, your still just a drop from the bucket of water & enough people think brum is like average & not vibrant who are well tuned in to there stuff.

fuck me... :crazy:

P Diddly Po Puff Doddle Daddyo doesn't know where Manchester is. Roffle. That's made my day that argument. Awesome.

fuck me... :crazy:
LOL

enough people think brum is like average & not vibrant who are well tuned in to there stuff.

WHO? and what are their credentials for being tuned into their kind of stuff.

actually I'm not sure that just made sense, ok this is boring now. Don't worry Mark, just do us all a favour and go and find somewhere more "exciting" to live and then you will be happy again.

He wants to try living where I do in Stoke.

:cry: Downtown Mark has been mixing with the wrong crowds me thinks. Shame, he has some valid points and is a nice guy but I dont like it when he gets abusive. Its a sad day for these forums in my eyes. :ohno:

I want to put an end to this. Mark, I understand where you are coming from and I see what you are saying but come on, skyscraper do not make a city. Culture, economy and the rest of it does so I dont think some small economic area in Birmingham where CP is being built is going to cause any grief to the city's international, modern, 21st Century aspirations. Fact is, areas of Birmingham are different. Edgbaston is a lovely place. Small Heath, not so. Every city has some thing like that. Even these true international cities would regularly tell of such as NY. That has some gorgeous neighbour hoods outside of NYC but places such as Queens, Bronx and Harlem make Lozells look like bloody California. Just because there is not an awful lot happening now, it does not mean Birmingham is failing. There is so much planned, and so much has already happened and with everything, especially in this 21st century society, there will be restrictions and more red tape. Bimringham City Council are doing an excellent job in my opinion considering they are the largest local authority in the UK and possibly Europe. They have a hell of a job to do and they are doing it to the best of their ability in the British way. Oh and Mark, this is not just aimed at you.

As for EK, now I like you just as I like Mark except for me and you haven't quite spoken. Anyway, I really think you were slightly... I dont know... aggressive towards Mark. Now I dont want to sound like a parent because I know you're probably even older than me but I mean that his opinions could be taken out of context as someone who simply wanted to just slate Birmingham at every possible opportunity but the point that Mark has is that he is comparing our so-called international city to true international cities (who are way out of our league) and showing the differences. From this we can build upon a picture of what Birmingham really could be doing to get there. I too feel the way he puts it across can be a bit annoying in the fact that it seems like all he does is say how Birmingham is not there yet and there is so much more work to be done but see that as a compliment of that Birmingham is actually doing something to get there.

So you two, please calm down and cool down. You two are great people and forumers and it would be a shame, in my eyes, to lose any of you two over this. So lets join together on a united front to defend our city from the marauding Mancs (only kidding Mancs) :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v173/Robdann/Construction%203/Bham4th112006141.jpg



Fuck me, is that downtown Stoke on Trent?

Sorry Jerv

So lets join together on a united front to defend our city from the marauding Mancs (only kidding Mancs) :)

Mistertee seems to be doing that job for the whole country...




...single handed! :bash:

Fuck me, is that downtown Stoke on Trent?

Sorry Jerv

shut the fuck up, thats my mechano & milk crate skyscraper I'm building... shit actually now that is one cool idea. :lol:

:As for EK, now I like you just as I like Mark except for me and you haven't quite spoken. Anyway, I really think you were slightly... I dont know... aggressive towards Mark.
not quite sure what you mean by this? sorry...

http://www.popgadget.net/man%20with%20knives.jpg

:cry: Downtown Mark has been mixing with the wrong crowds me thinks. Shame, he has some valid points and is a nice guy but I dont like it when he gets abusive. Its a sad day for these forums in my eyes. :ohno:

I want to put an end to this. Mark, I understand where you are coming from and I see what you are saying but come on, skyscraper do not make a city. Culture, economy and the rest of it does so I dont think some small economic area in Birmingham where CP is being built is going to cause any grief to the city's international, modern, 21st Century aspirations. Fact is, areas of Birmingham are different. Edgbaston is a lovely place. Small Heath, not so. Every city has some thing like that. Even these true international cities would regularly tell of such as NY. That has some gorgeous neighbour hoods outside of NYC but places such as Queens, Bronx and Harlem make Lozells look like bloody California. Just because there is not an awful lot happening now, it does not mean Birmingham is failing. There is so much planned, and so much has already happened and with everything, especially in this 21st century society, there will be restrictions and more red tape. Bimringham City Council are doing an excellent job in my opinion considering they are the largest local authority in the UK and possibly Europe. They have a hell of a job to do and they are doing it to the best of their ability in the British way. Oh and Mark, this is not just aimed at you.

As for EK, now I like you just as I like Mark except for me and you haven't quite spoken. Anyway, I really think you were slightly... I dont know... aggressive towards Mark. Now I dont want to sound like a parent because I know you're probably even older than me but I mean that his opinions could be taken out of context as someone who simply wanted to just slate Birmingham at every possible opportunity but the point that Mark has is that he is comparing our so-called international city to true international cities (who are way out of our league) and showing the differences. From this we can build upon a picture of what Birmingham really could be doing to get there. I too feel the way he puts it across can be a bit annoying in the fact that it seems like all he does is say how Birmingham is not there yet and there is so much more work to be done but see that as a compliment of that Birmingham is actually doing something to get there.

So you two, please calm down and cool down. You two are great people and forumers and it would be a shame, in my eyes, to lose any of you two over this. So lets join together on a united front to defend our city from the marauding Mancs (only kidding Mancs) :)

:applause: What a great post!

We should all be able to say what we don't like about our own towns and cities without feeling like a traitor or whatever - I'm one of them after all. ;) But constant criticism of one's own city makes one feel a bit very depressed.

I don't join in with city bashing threads anyway - they are so below my standards. :down:

A Brum v Brum bashing thread love it!

Erebus, respect for trying to keep the peace, but EK I'm with you all the way on this. I spend half my working life in Manchester and couldn't contemplate moving, not that I don't like the place I really do and I like the people but it's just not Brum is it.........

Erebus you give a speech there to feed the 5 thousand quality stuff :)
I think you hit the nail on the head in every angle how you talked about the whole thing, Its true iv'e let the bad experiences make me kind of hate where i live, I dont mix with the wrong crowd of course but maybe on my side of the city is a bit more in your face than where somebody else is coming from? I usually get a great time when i go the city centre to be fair and its probably more the suberb culture that is in my face making me dislike here more? So i am sorry and apologise for letting myself spill it out in threads i am aware thats not good for me or anyone else more importantly :ohno:

As for the things i say about the city its more because im not quite satisfied & i cant help sometimes compare it to some great cities that iv'e lived in and on top of that iv'e read too many times about delays & setbacks and the big AC kind of scares, Its made me at times feel not so much hope but the fact i say its getting there is true i say it because thats a posative note & its like a slight optimism, Truth is iv'e probably done more wandering around & discovering in the city centre than most have done in the past 6 months?, Now i wouldnt do that if i didnt like the city centre, I mdoing that i my free time, But thats always been a joy & pleasure of mine and tell my other half i found something nice place etc.. I once made a thread about how some American tourists were loving new street and the town hall i did that because i was proud, Iv'e only just taken my first pic's on my new digi and where did i start? yes Birmingham i got some great pics of skyscraper alley with the full moon blaring down & some from a bridge close to the airport with a panaromic view of the runway & landscape with sun set so im happy to share them soon.

OK promise from now i'll keep to myslef if i feel not satisfied about stuff or dissapointed and i'll try not to let any S**T going on in society cloud my view, That sometimes is a challenge when your enviroment is like that lots because i lived in Loughborough for 1 year and i could walk in the town wallet in the hand where as now i feel i have to put up a bit of a guard at times, anyway EK please dont see that im like anti my own city all though it was my fault the way i posted but Erebus knows im well into my own city & hopefully others too? Anyway Ek that night i posted i did come back home loaded of vodka in my belly guts so that might of helped me make extreme comments? maybe i dont know? but anyway havn't bumped into you for a while & we did agree on that Orange studio thing back there before :tongue2: so we should make peace and Journey on :grouphug:

The boys in blue will be back in the premiership soon & meanwhile Man utd go 3 points clear at the top, we must bash them in the premiership someday oneday :tongue3:

So is it sorted then? :)

Anyway Ek that night i posted i did come back home loaded of vodka in my belly guts so that might of helped me make extreme comments? maybe i dont know? but anyway havn't bumped into you for a while & we did agree on that Orange studio thing back there before :tongue2: so we should make peace and Journey on :grouphug:

Peace brother :dj:

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j270/caw12345/P5050153copy.jpgFuck me, is that downtown Stoke on Trent?

Sorry Jerv

No, this is more like Stoke-on-Trent ...... do you recognise the place??!!

http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j270/caw12345/P5050153copy.jpg

No, this is more like Stoke-on-Trent ...... do you recognise the place??!!

I wish Stoke was like that. Then it would be the joint Second City with Manchester Some good places to eat and drink on that photo, unlike Broad street.

Jerv, it looks like some 3rd rate African city!

I wish Stoke was like that. Then it would be the joint Second City with Manchester Some good places to eat and drink on that photo, unlike Broad street.

Hey! There are some good places to eat & drink on Broad St. Unfortunately there are other places that cater for "the masses" :(

Broad St on a weeknight is quite nice - busy but not too busy. It is just the weekends....:nuts:

http://images.jonallen.info/view/197.jpg

Jerv, you obviously know nothing about Birmingham. Broad Street & Brindleyplace is full of excellent restaurants to suit all tastes ..... from the likes of Conran & Raymond Blanc to places like Ipanemas & the Hard Rock Cafe!

Can any restuarants or cafes or bars in Manchester claim that the US president has dined there and support it with evidence?

http://images.jonallen.info/view/197.jpg


Good grief, look at the speed the wheel is going at there! :nuts:

Jerv, it looks like some 3rd rate African city!

Right of course it does. Weak stab. Very weak...

Can any restuarants or cafes or bars in Manchester claim that the US president has dined there and support it with evidence?

Dont know, dont care.

Erebussy, how many labour confrences you lot had recently?

Can any restuarants or cafes or bars in Manchester claim that the US president has dined there and support it with evidence?

Probably. Clinton was in town in September, i doubt he brought a pack lunch.

Probably. Clinton was in town in September, i doubt he brought a pack lunch.

But I doubt he was running the country at that time either. Read my question more carefully.

who cares

Bill Clinton also stayed in Hay-on-Wye for the book festival :yes:

I would rather have the G8 summit than the Labour Party Conference ;)

I couldn't give a flying fuck about either, seeing as I wasn't invited to them :)

But I doubt he was running the country at that time either. Read my question more carefully.

Right, sorry? :dunno:

KITR you useless fucking dickhead! :rant: Don't you realise that it makes all the difference in the world whether he was president at the time or not??? For fucks sake. Some people are utterly, utterly useless and inept. :rant:







:jk:

KITR you useless fucking dickhead! :rant: Don't you realise that it makes all the difference in the world whether he was president at the time or not??? For fucks sake. Some people are utterly, utterly useless and inept. :rant:







:jk:

Sorry sir, i'll try harder next time...

http://i13.tinypic.com/2hey9w3.jpg

:crazy:

(no offence erusbuss)

Can any restuarants or cafes or bars in Manchester claim that the US president has dined there and support it with evidence?

Shit...
Good one erebussy :clown:

^^ No offence taken. I found it quite funny actually :)

Jerv, it looks like some 3rd rate African city!

How many times are you going to post that picture, its boring now,you find a not so flattering photo Manchester and milk it to death. I could find loads of unflattering pics of brum and post them but that would be childish. Most on here know Manchester has a better streetscape than Brum... go see.

Jerv, it looks like some 3rd rate African city!

At least we've got the weather then.

Yep, you do get rainforests in Africa.

http://images.jonallen.info/view/197.jpg

Jerv, you obviously know nothing about Birmingham. Broad Street & Brindleyplace is full of excellent restaurants to suit all tastes ..... from the likes of Conran & Raymond Blanc to places like Ipanemas & the Hard Rock Cafe!

I know about going out in Brum, and I said broad street, not the adjacent plazas. And If Hard rock Cafe is your idea of a good night out then I'll say no more.

Jeez, the language on this thread is a bit choice innit?
Only just stumbled across it through Downtown's link from the relative civility of the Brum forum. Cheers DM.
Hey DM, you sound like a man with a lot on his mind today - get it off yer chest son.
Now I am going to crawl out from behind the sofa and scuttle back to the safety zone - bye

I know about going out in Brum, and I said broad street, not the adjacent plazas. And If Hard rock Cafe is your idea of a good night out then I'll say no more.

Hard Rock Cafe does great burgers, and compared to some of the places around Brum (and Manchester btw) is really not that bad. Cocktails are good too!

That said, I have never spent an evening there :banana:

....... & if Planet Hollywood takes up space at the base of the new Arena Central Tower ..... !!!!! (What am I saying!!!!!!!!)

Are you being mischievous or useful FLD?

If Planet Hollywood does, Birmingham will be turning more and more into Toronto ;)

On a serious note. My favourite Brum restaurant is still TGI fridays.

http://www.freefoto.com//images/1046/08/1046_08_12_web.jpg?&k=Hyatt+Regency+BirminghamI know about going out in Brum, and I said broad street, not the adjacent plazas. And If Hard rock Cafe is your idea of a good night out then I'll say no more.

It's known as the "Greater Broad Street Area", which takes in the ICC, Brindleyplace & all the plazas along this mile long stretch of Birmingham's entertainment quarter, from the Hyatt Hotel to Five Ways!

http://www.**************************/php-cgi/gallery2/d/2896-2/DJB_0640.jpg

The picture shows just one part of one of Europes best entertainment areas, Broad Street Birmingham, with 3 theatres, 2 art galleries, a world class concert hall, a convention centre, 2 multiplex cinemas, an aquarium & dozens of pubs, clubs, wine bars & restaurants ....... with the addition of 2 of Britain's tallest buildings in a couple of years time, including a Rockefeller style center with even more bars & restaurants, watch this space .... literally!

[IMG] Birmingham's entertainment quarter,

ooooooooooo :banana:

http://www.**************************/php-cgi/gallery2/d/2896-2/DJB_0640.jpg

The picture shows just one part of one of Europes best entertainment areas, Broad Street Birmingham, with 3 theatres, 2 art galleries, a world class concert hall, a convention centre, 2 multiplex cinemas, an aquarium & dozens of pubs, clubs, wine bars & restaurants ....... with the addition of 2 of Britain's tallest buildings in a couple of years time, including a Rockefeller style center with even more bars & restaurants, watch this space .... literally!

Double oooooooooooooo :banana: :banana:

^^^

http://my.opera.com/essene/homes/albums/24128/turd-polish.jpg

http://z.about.com/d/phoenix/1/0/r/K/tumbleweeds01.jpg

http://www.**************************/php-cgi/gallery2/d/2896-2/DJB_0640.jpg

The picture shows just one part of one of Europes best entertainment areas, Broad Street Birmingham, with 3 theatres, 2 art galleries, a world class concert hall, a convention centre, 2 multiplex cinemas, an aquarium & dozens of pubs, clubs, wine bars & restaurants ....... with the addition of 2 of Britain's tallest buildings in a couple of years time, including a Rockefeller style center with even more bars & restaurants, watch this space .... literally!

You're spilling again. Whats this other tower? BST or Paradise Circus? Or is AC, twin towers?

Found out this week that as well as Gatecrashers buying the works. Tiger Tiger has now been bought by the biggest nightclub brand in the world *cough*M Of S *cough*.

The 5 ways end of Broad St will become a very popular place again.With no chavs allowed.

^^It wont be that easy. First we need to finish Park Central. Do Five Ways station up and get Hagley Road redone because some of the buildings are far from inspirational. Talking of Five Ways, Calthorpe House is set to start soon I believe. That is a pretty major development.

Sorry, I thought you meant the chavs will be moved on to some other unsuspecting part of Brum.

I was talking about the nightlife mate

Found out this week that as well as Gatecrashers buying the works. Tiger Tiger has now been bought by the biggest nightclub brand in the world *cough*M Of S *cough*.

The 5 ways end of Broad St will become a very popular place again.With no chavs allowed.

Blimey - that's a bit of a shot in the arm for town isn't it?

Cool!

Yep 2007 is gonna be a great year for brums nightlife.

Perhaps the Chavs will return to Northfield once the work has been completed there - new bypass - new Weatherspoons. Oh dear!

You're spilling again. Whats this other tower? BST or Paradise Circus? Or is AC, twin towers?

It is possible there could be another 5 tall towers in this shot in a few years time, 6 with BST just to the right out of shot.

It seems Snow Hill is not just a vision and a planning app for the tower is to be submitted soon - according to the very reliable architects with a very good architectural reputation from Birmingham.

Snow Hill is more than a vision Erebus.... the developer is close to appointing the hotel operator apparently.

It will either be 4* or 5* :)

^^I know now. We gots the information from the public exhibition today. For the first time in a while, I have found a reason to love my brother.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/manchester/content/images/2006/03/31/bbc_radio_manchester_bw_tc_203x251.jpg
Vs
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http://www.picturesbyarthursteel.com/d%20images/Jimmy-Saville.jpg
Vs
http://www.speakers.co.uk/csaWeb/media/pix/h250/JIMTAR_h250.jpg

No contest!

Fuckjesus, you win, mister tee! The albino freak is king of the cunts.

Yorkshire has walked away with this one.

Damn right. It's only fair we judge a city by its cultural icons, rather than its skyscrapers or football teams.

Just to redress the balance.

http://www.nme.com/images/84_StoneRoses_L_260106.jpg

Vs

http://www.artistwd.com/joyzine/music/maiden/iron_maiden_band.jpg

Vs

http://www.nottsda.co.uk/GRUMBLEWEEDS_small.JPG

Vs

http://www.bbc.co.uk/liverpool/localhistory/journey/stars/beatles/memories/mem_lead.jpg

Iron Maiden? More London then Brum

Ill take these thankyou very much

http://rock.goleshet.com/home/466/rock-Led-Zeppelin.jpg

Dont forget Black Sabbath and a couple of Judas Priest were born in Brum I think. As my uncles big book of heavy metal says: "Birmingham is the birthplace of heavy metal rock"

I was thinking Black Sabbath, I wanted that picture of Ozzy's polka dot knickers. I don't know why I ended up posting a pic of Maiden. But you have Zep if you want.

Stone Roses Vs Led Zepellin vs The Grumbleweeds Vs The Beatles.

T'weeds obviously. Fuck me, Leeds is good at this game.

Don't forget the Chuckle Brothers Mister Tee! :)

^^I think you'll find they're from Rotherham.

Yeah, but they're Yorkshire :)

^^Yeah, but Leeds isn't Yorkshire.

It's all Wooly east of the M6. Don't kid youself. ;)

I think he's confusing it with Manchester. Just because they consider everything in their county to be part of Manchester we don't consider everything in Yorkshire to be part of Leeds.

^^Indeed

Since when has Leeds not been Yorkshire?????

Since when has Leeds not been Yorkshire?????

I presume you are referring to Paulmat's quote "Yeah, but Leeds isn't Yorkshire"?

I think he means it as Leeds and Yorkshire aren't one in the same (like London isn't England, but it's in England).

That is indeed what I meant.

But I have the feeling Biosonic was taking the piss. (Unless he's just not very good at English).

I say no good Engish. You understand?


Sorry, lets get back to some hardcore city bashing though.

Did you know that a 32 storey municipal skyscraper was proposed for Broad Street, Birmingham in the 1930s?! It was rejected though.

OK, let me make myself clear ;)

I said The Chuckle Brothers were Yorkshire(men), it was then pointed out they are from Rotherham (although they actually live near Doncaster :tongue2: ) and I said Leeds is Yorkshire meaning Leeds is in Yorkshire. It is my dialect.

I hope that clears things up :nuts:

I say no good Engish. You understand?


Sorry, lets get back to some hardcore city bashing though.

Did you know that a 32 storey municipal skyscraper was proposed for Broad Street, Birmingham in the 1930s?! It was rejected though.

Manchester had one too.

http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=quaystreettower-manchester-unitedkingdom

"Quay St. Tower"

Storeys: 36

Height: 110m

Approved, but never built. The base of the building was, however, built (Sunlight House). Would have been a great tower had it been built/survived the Blitz.

Manchester had one too.

http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=quaystreettower-manchester-unitedkingdom

"Quay St. Tower"

Storeys: 36

Height: 110m

Approved, but never built. The base of the building was, however, built (Sunlight House). Would have been a great tower had it been built/survived the Blitz.

Well it was proposed in 1948 so it would have certainly survived the Blitz. Any pictures of it?

This is the Birmingham one:
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d101/Erebus555/Birmingham%20developments/image0.jpg

OK, let me make myself clear ;)

I said The Chuckle Brothers were Yorkshire(men), it was then pointed out they are from Rotherham (although they actually live near Doncaster :tongue2: ) and I said Leeds is Yorkshire meaning Leeds is in Yorkshire. It is my dialect.

I hope that clears things up :nuts:

Sorry, I thought the 'artist's' that were posted were from the actual cities involved in this thread, not the county that the city is in.

My night out in Manchester (true):
1. Arrive in car, drive past scally bady beaten, holding chest, blood pouring from head.
2. Leave friends' flat, abused by further scallies within 30 seconds
3. Enter Printworks - 2 gangs punch each other, not allowed any glass, someone is sick all over. It's now 8.30pm.
4. Move on to club, forced to pass through airport style security - metal detectors, everyone searched as they enter
5. Still not allowed any glass - plastic bottles/glasses only. My bottle of Corona poured into plastic glass with lime slice floating around (!)
6. Brawl in club
7. 90 minute wait in taxi queue
8. Realise I've not paid less than £3 for a drink all night - gutted.
9. Decide I've seen more violence/nastyness and paid more for the priveledge than on any other night in 8 years of going out (possibly added together!)

Sounds no different to a night out in Leeds. Those recent crime figures showed Leeds to be much worse for violence, as bigger cities tend to be.

I would have to disagree - I've been going out regularly round Leeds for 8 years - I've seen 5 fights max in all that time, never been forced to use plastic cups/bottles, never been searched (no need), never waited more than 30 mins for a taxi and never averaged over £3 per drink.

Depends where you go. You can pay way over £3 average a pint in Horsforth, nevermind Leeds. I've waited ALL NIGHT for a taxi before and drunk from plenty of plaggy cups. Plenty of places make you pour your bottle into a plaggy beaker.

Get yoursen down to Airline taxis, you'll see a fight there every 10 minutes, many inter-gender.

I've been out in Manchester many times and felt it was far less intimidating than Leeds. But the truth is probably more prosaic; each city has its good and bad points, cheap and dear, rough and soft, simple

My night out in Manchester (true):
1. Arrive in car, drive past scally bady beaten, holding chest, blood pouring from head.
2. Leave friends' flat, abused by further scallies within 30 seconds
3. Enter Printworks - 2 gangs punch each other, not allowed any glass, someone is sick all over. It's now 8.30pm.
4. Move on to club, forced to pass through airport style security - metal detectors, everyone searched as they enter
5. Still not allowed any glass - plastic bottles/glasses only. My bottle of Corona poured into plastic glass with lime slice floating around (!)
6. Brawl in club
7. 90 minute wait in taxi queue
8. Realise I've not paid less than £3 for a drink all night - gutted.
9. Decide I've seen more violence/nastyness and paid more for the priveledge than on any other night in 8 years of going out (possibly added together!)

Do you just attract trouble or something? Did you decide to go out with your Leeds top on? Was there a football game on?

I would seriously love to know when/where in Manchester you went out.

No - I wasn't involved in any violence - just witnessed lots - went round a load of bars in the Printworks (which appears not rough) then on to the club in there downstairs...

I've seen more trouble in Leeds than I have in Manchester, though possibly slightly fewer nights out in Manchester. Leeds is only place someone really tried to take my head of and I was also in Leeds the night this happened http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_yorkshire/4961922.stm

So in Leeds not only do they have gun crime in the clubs people attack the police when they arrive, sounds like a great night out to me.

Having said all that I personally don't think Leeds is much worse than anywhere else, I think I was just unlucky there, all our big cities clearly have problems with alcohol related violence. Also I actually like being searched and going through metal detectors as this does make me feel safer, though it does piss me off when they charge £3 a drink and can't provide a proper glass for you.

In defence of Mcr, I have been out quite a lot there and had a great time (glad to see it is not just Brum that suffers from a shortage of taxis though - although Mcr has a lot more night buses!).

I avoid the Printworks like the plague - it just looks tacky & nasty.

I avoid the Printworks like the plague - it just looks tacky & nasty.

:yes: I try to avoid this whole area of town in general.

I've not seen the Printworks, is it on a par with Birmingham's Broadway Plaza at Five Ways?

Kind of - cross London's Traocadero with Broad St.

I've been out in Manchester a few times and would agree it's no more violent than Brum in my experiance. That said I was at a works do at the Wetherspoons pub near the Living Room and from the safety of the balcony witnessed the greatest bar room brawl I've ever seen. Capped off when one of the scallys picked up a chair to hit the bouncer, swung it, took his girlfriend out, turned round to see her knocked out on the floor and proceeded to batter the bouncer with it regardless!

Birmingham is to get the Sports Personality of the Year again next year. This time in the city centre at the NIA.

I've been clubbing a heck of a lot in quite a few of the major cities in England now, and I can't see that I've seen violence anywhere! I don't know if I'm just being naive and that it's all around me as the media portray it, or I'm just lucky. the fact remains, I've been on numberous nights out in Leeds, Birmingham, Manchester, London, Liverpool, Sheffield, Newcastle, Brighton, Bristol, never so much as seen a single punch thrown!

Subliving.

I would have to disagree - I've been going out regularly round Leeds for 8 years - I've seen 5 fights max in all that time, never been forced to use plastic cups/bottles, never been searched (no need), never waited more than 30 mins for a taxi and never averaged over £3 per drink.
I'm not meaning to say Leeds is perfect, like any big city it's far from it. Just maybe was in the wrong places at the wrong time for my night out in Manc - but the sheer number of violent events packed into one night gave a really bad impression versus my experiences in Leeds - though I'm sure if someone was in Leeds on one of the 5 or so nights I saw fights they would say the same.

I go out in central Manchester at least 2 or 3 times a week and can honestly say I practically NEVER see any violence.

I too go in the Printworks (normally start the night in Lloyds) and cn honestly say I have never ever seen any trouble in there - have seen the odd person throwing up outside about 3 in the morning, but no more than that.

The only trouble tends to be when there is a big match in town, and even then it tends to be around Old Trafford and / or Piccadilly / Piccadilly Gardens.

Having been to Cardiff many times for football I can say that Manchester deals with similarly large crowds much better with significantly fewer problems.

I grew up just outside Coventry, & I saw more trouble in Coventry city centre than I ever have in Birmingham. A lot of our smaller towns & cities, I feel, have a lot more trouble on Friday & Saturday nights, I think it is almost a 'tribe' mentality, with the locals not accepting outsiders, which the bigger, more cosmopolitan cities like Birmingham & Manchester do not experience as much because there is always a larger cross section of different types of people.

^Thats probably true. I've been on nights out in Manchester a few times now and I see way more violence on nights out in Blackburn, Preston, and especially Blackpool.

I normally start the night in Lloyds

Kurt's got klass.

My night out in Manchester (true):
1. Arrive in car, drive past scally bady beaten, holding chest, blood pouring from head.
2. Leave friends' flat, abused by further scallies within 30 seconds
3. Enter Printworks - 2 gangs punch each other, not allowed any glass, someone is sick all over. It's now 8.30pm.
4. Move on to club, forced to pass through airport style security - metal detectors, everyone searched as they enter
5. Still not allowed any glass - plastic bottles/glasses only. My bottle of Corona poured into plastic glass with lime slice floating around (!)
6. Brawl in club
7. 90 minute wait in taxi queue
8. Realise I've not paid less than £3 for a drink all night - gutted.
9. Decide I've seen more violence/nastyness and paid more for the priveledge than on any other night in 8 years of going out (possibly added together!)

Ever been to Blackpool? I quite like seeing drunken yob's beat the fuck out'a each other! Take-away's your best bet. Find a clear view point devoid of an any visual impairement, chomp on your kebab and enjoy the show :)

FLD,

Having recently had a night out in Walsall I'd agree with you, saw far more trouble there then in Manc or Brum, not sure if that's reality or just the fact that it's such a smaller area that you can't help but notice it.

I payed a visit to Brum t'other day. Just a quick stop for an hour or two along with'a few trendy Mancunians.

What can i say? Barely a difference from the last time I was there.

Though we payed that Bullring a visit again, and I still think it's the dogs bollocks. Love it. :)

Did you go to the eastern area of the city - things have changed there - OK one building...

In all fairness to Brum, I am getting a bit bored of the Bullring comments. It seems to be the only place attracting people and the only place people seem to comment on. It is obvious that Birmingham has other places but its the new stylish places that really get people talking.

As a result of that, it shows the need for the newer developments. We should be pushing for these. And I am not saying we aren't because there is tremendous support for Martineau Galleries and Birmingham Gateway at the moment but some of these projects (except Birmingham Gateway) are not making it into limelight. Spread the word on the TV screens and we might just see more people behind it. Birmingham is a great city, others just don't seem to realise thanks to the image of concrete ring roads and elevated roadways...

I dont understand what all the fuss is about the Bullring anyway... its just a shopping centre.

I dont understand what all the fuss is about the Bullring anyway... its just a shopping centre.


I sometimes think you exist just to piss people off.

Just a shopping center!? I cant beleive you sometimes. What about it's archeitectural merit? Does that go unoticed becuase its in Birmingham? Arrogance is such a bad habit to get into mate, you really should get yourself out of it.

I'm starting to like Manc Guy a bit more! And that's not because he just had a go at Accura!

I dont understand what all the fuss is about the Bullring anyway... its just a shopping centre.

It IS just a shopping centre, but I think it offers a lot more than that. To be fair, it's the only thing outside the south-east at the moment that is beginning to genuinely coax people away from London.

Even a Dutch clothes store chose the Bullring over London for their first UK store. It's called Bestseller but they will be opening it under a different name.

Bullring now has some decent conference facilities available. Smaller venue is about £250/day, the larger venue is £900-1000/day. I can see Corporates using them for small departmental meetings or Management/Training days.

Would be great if they could bring an international fashion week into the city at the larger venue to raise the profile of shopping in Birmingham and at the BullRing.

I think I might let some of my Soho Road retailer friends know. I know the Asian Fashion industry especially ladies clothing wear (where suits cost IRO £500/600 up to £3,000/4,000) and Mens Wedding and General fashion clothing is big business these days. I'm certain there are people who have big ambitions in the fashion world and want to raise their profile... Maybe this is a good opportunity for them. And if Birmingham doesn't do it, then Wembley Arena or the Manchester Business Community will definitely look at it.

When's the new Arndale (or extension ) opening Manc Guy? The thing that Brum needs too, is our kind of King St - we've got the Mailbox, but a nice street of old buildings with boutiques would be nice - I think something like Church St down from Colmore row heading over a new bridge into the street up to St Pauls.

When's the new Arndale (or extension ) opening Manc Guy? The thing that Brum needs too, is our kind of King St - we've got the Mailbox, but a nice street of old buildings with boutiques would be nice - I think something like Church St down from Colmore row heading over a new bridge into the street up to St Pauls.

It's been opening in phases and almost all of it is open now.

The new Manchester Arndale extension had promised a lot. Where the old Cannon St bus station was, a new Winter Gardens should have arose. An urban walkway to provide a new urban vision. Like our P/gardens, the promise did not deliver.

Needless to say, its now just another walkway, to be found in every Britsh shooping cente in every British town.

I have just come back from Leeds, chrimbo shopping for the day, and found that city to be an excellent place for a shopper. Didnt to be the samey stores that you get in Mcr/Lvpool, seemed to be a bit more variety in the West Riding Metropolis. took me not an hour to get there, and for about £12 return, I'll be off there again.

The shops and cafe's were much more customer orientated than the shops on the Lancs. side of the Pennines. To be fair, no disrespect to our Yorks. friends, the lively/city buzz wasnt as apparant there as it was in Manc/Salford, but I'll definately be going back there, esp seen as how close it is.

I'm starting to like Manc Guy a bit more! And that's not because he just had a go at Accura!

There's always one building or structure in our bigger cities that deserves some credit! Brum, Bull ring, Leeds, corn exchange and so on. Some are lucky enough to have more than others. I'm all up for slagging my rival citiy, but at least I can give a sensible argument for doing so. 'Matalan Boy' here just types and types without ever really thinking about it, just like to let us know he's still there! Why bother with this site if you cant appreciate originality in archeitecture? It's not a school playground. Fuck him.

The thing that Brum needs too, is our kind of King St - we've got the Mailbox, but a nice street of old buildings with boutiques would be nice - I think something like Church St down from Colmore row heading over a new bridge into the street up to St Pauls.


The Arndale has vastly improved itself in the years gone by. Nothing spectacular atall, but it's most definatley enhanced the area around exchange square inside and out. I think the most important aspect of its regeneration though, is it's image, not just to outsiders, but to us Mancunians also. You only have to look at the new market to understand what i mean.

My night out in Manchester (true):
1. Arrive in car, drive past scally bady beaten, holding chest, blood pouring from head.
2. Leave friends' flat, abused by further scallies within 30 seconds
3. Enter Printworks - 2 gangs punch each other, not allowed any glass, someone is sick all over. It's now 8.30pm.
4. Move on to club, forced to pass through airport style security - metal detectors, everyone searched as they enter
5. Still not allowed any glass - plastic bottles/glasses only. My bottle of Corona poured into plastic glass with lime slice floating around (!)
6. Brawl in club
7. 90 minute wait in taxi queue
8. Realise I've not paid less than £3 for a drink all night - gutted.
9. Decide I've seen more violence/nastyness and paid more for the priveledge than on any other night in 8 years of going out (possibly added together!)

This as got to be a load of bull shit ,,, in 15 years of going out in Manchester ,, ive probably seen trouble flare up about 10 times ,,and that was just hangbags at 10 paces in the taxi rank .
What are you talking about ? are you just shit stirring or just got one of those faces that attracts trouble ?

I have just come back from Leeds, chrimbo shopping for the day, and found that city to be an excellent place for a shopper. Didnt to be the samey stores that you get in Mcr/Lvpool, seemed to be a bit more variety in the West Riding Metropolis. took me not an hour to get there, and for about £12 return, I'll be off there again.

The shops and cafe's were much more customer orientated than the shops on the Lancs. side of the Pennines. To be fair, no disrespect to our Yorks. friends, the lively/city buzz wasnt as apparant there as it was in Manc/Salford, but I'll definately be going back there, esp seen as how close it is.

I'm really glad you enjoyed your shopping in Leeds! I can't remember if it was this thread of another, but I remember saying that Leeds offered a completely different shopping experience to that of Manchester or Birmingham. I'm glad you found it that way! Most of the places in Leeds like to focus on customer service, in my experience. Having a job in the Victoria Quarter, I had to go and and do a lot of mystery shopping in other stores, and rather than compete for quantity of customers, it seems to be the case that shops will compete for customer satisfaction in Leeds. Did you find this the case?

Subliving.

When you say Customer satisfaction, do you mean saying "luv" at the end of "that'll be Nine Pounds and Ninety nine pence"?

When you say Customer satisfaction, do you mean saying "luv" at the end of "that'll be Nine Pounds and Ninety nine pence"?

Aww, did you think of that all by yourself? :lol:

Subliving.

My night out in Manchester (true):
1. Arrive in car, drive past scally bady beaten, holding chest, blood pouring from head.
2. Leave friends' flat, abused by further scallies within 30 seconds
3. Enter Printworks - 2 gangs punch each other, not allowed any glass, someone is sick all over. It's now 8.30pm.
4. Move on to club, forced to pass through airport style security - metal detectors, everyone searched as they enter
5. Still not allowed any glass - plastic bottles/glasses only. My bottle of Corona poured into plastic glass with lime slice floating around (!)
6. Brawl in club
7. 90 minute wait in taxi queue
8. Realise I've not paid less than £3 for a drink all night - gutted.
9. Decide I've seen more violence/nastyness and paid more for the priveledge than on any other night in 8 years of going out (possibly added together!)

recent night out in Gloucester...

1. Get pissed in pub with friends (true)
2. Go somewhere else get more pissed (true)
3. watch a fight kick off, man has face badly bloodied (not true but could have happened)
4. go to party (can't remember)
5. I am later accused of stealing a woman's wallet (true)
6. eat some :banana: :banana: :banana: 's (not true)
7. walk back to mates house and accosted by gay dwarf and shagged in a buss stop (not true)
8. walked back to mates house and accosted by a rabid girl who was asking us to call an ambulance for her mate who had been stabbed in chest. (true but she might have been mad, although Glozter can be a bit like that, a doorman was killed in a fight a couple of months ago (true)
9. met mates friends, very scary man showed me big knife wound (true)
10. found some sick, found bag of chips on step splattered in blood (true)
11. discovered a small monkey creature living inside the catacombs of my mind during a nightmare (maybe?)
11. drove home (true)

recent night out in Gloucester...

5. I am later accused of stealing a woman's wallet (true)


You stole a woman's wallet??? How rude!!! :wink2:

Subliving.

You stole a woman's wallet??? How rude!!! :wink2:

Subliving.

I mean't to say "I stole a woman's purse" soz.:gossip: :no: :crazy: :goodnight

I'm really glad you enjoyed your shopping in Leeds! I can't remember if it was this thread of another, but I remember saying that Leeds offered a completely different shopping experience to that of Manchester or Birmingham. I'm glad you found it that way! Most of the places in Leeds like to focus on customer service, in my experience. Having a job in the Victoria Quarter, I had to go and and do a lot of mystery shopping in other stores, and rather than compete for quantity of customers, it seems to be the case that shops will compete for customer satisfaction in Leeds. Did you find this the case?

Subliving.

As i have previously worked at a large chain store I think you are talking out of your arse. Giving good customer service and helping to satisfy a customer is about increasing both spending and quantity of customers. The way this increases quantity is because your more likely to go back and the way it increase spending is its a proven fact that when helped by staff customers spend more. Every shop in the country will be trying to increase its customer satisfaction for profit, no other reason, maybe its just Leeds is better than elsewhere, though as always in my experience it varied greatly from store to store and day to day.

Giving good customer service and helping to satisfy a customer is about increasing both spending and quantity of customers.

Unfortunately, it doesn't increase the QUALITY of customers, mores the pity!! That's one reason why I got out of retail. Also, the customer service we were being asked to provide required more time to be spent with each customer, but then we were told that we weren't serving enough customers!

In addition, being sent head office memos saying we should "try harder" and "do better" with our customer service when I was trying my hardest and doing my best, is very demoralising. They could have cut the crap and and just sent a memo out saying "make us more money why don't you, cause you're not making us enough!"

Of course, these are just my own personal opinions and experiences, but the increasing turnover of staff in many shops might suggest an affinity with this point of view!?

Sorry to have vented on a totally inappropriate thread but I saw the opportunity for some therapy and took it! Maybe this is the true meaning of retail therapy? :ohno:

As i have previously worked at a large chain store I think you are talking out of your arse. Giving good customer service and helping to satisfy a customer is about increasing both spending and quantity of customers. The way this increases quantity is because your more likely to go back and the way it increase spending is its a proven fact that when helped by staff customers spend more. Every shop in the country will be trying to increase its customer satisfaction for profit, no other reason, maybe its just Leeds is better than elsewhere, though as always in my experience it varied greatly from store to store and day to day.

I didn't say I'd worked in a large chain store. Curry's is going to be full of the same mindless drones as every other Curry's. I worked in the VQ in Leeds, in one of the boutiques in there. The philosophy of boutique stores is to increase customer spending by gaining their trust, thus a loyal consumer base. Return customers are much more important to most boutiques than getting the one-off shopper. Larger chains generally prefer the brute force method of numbers.

Subliving.

This needs bringing into 2007.

So Martineau Galleries has got approval. A major retail, residential, office, cultural - you get the picture, mixed use - development to connect Eastside to the city centre. It has 110 metre tower as well :).

This needs bringing into 2007.

It didn't really? No surprise who did though :|

I love this thread.

It didn't really? No surprise who did though :|

It did as so many city's are claiming that 2007 is the year for their developments.

Also the festive cheer has wore off finally.

It did as so many city's are claiming that 2007 is the year for their developments.

Well its brums turn every new year on this forum, still I see nothing, but posters like yourself spouting the same 'its our year this year' propaganda over an over again. Year after year.

Yawn...

Well I dont go around saying this our year, but I dont think it is going to be a big year for Birmingham.

And I wouldnt know about new year on this forum, I only started in April last year!

I think this will be the first year that Leeds really, really, really shines in the skyscraper stakes. With Bridgewater Place completed, Lumiere 1 and 2, Opal, UNITE, Providence, all on the way, I think we'll probably see the most improvement over here, even if larger projects happen elsewhere.

Subliving.

^^That's an interesting way of putting it, in terms of improvement and not number of projects.

In terms of improvement, Birmingham will be starting it's improvement with Pinnacle, Arena Central (yes! Arena Central!), Snow Hill in it's entirety, alot of Eastside, Broad Street Tower and the Cube.

Let downs: New Street Station still.

I dont think Birmingham will be the most improved but it is certainly taking development in the city a few notches this year.

I think wheras Manchester and Birmingham are simply adding to what they have, Leeds will really move up a league this year, to be truly competing with the two cities formerly mentioned. I think when we see all those projects that I mentioned come to fruition, there'll finally be no doubt about whether Leeds is in the same league or not.

Subliving.

What do you mean 'adding to what they already have'?

More towers of a similar height. Birmingham and Manchester already have skyscrapers. Leeds only has one, which is a little on the border of is-it-isn't-it.

Thus, Birmingham and Manchester are only currently adding similar sized towers to their skylines. Leeds really is moving up a league with things such as Lumiere.

I'm not saying this to the detriment of those two cities; it's great that they're getting more towers! However, these are simply improving an existing skyline. Leeds really is beginning a whole new one.

Subliving.

The tallest building (bar BT Tower cus that's cheating in a way) is Holloway Circus Tower which is only 122 metres. The tallest towers to begin construction in Birmingham is 175 metres - that's a fair jump. 176 is for the Pinnacle but that sort of is cheating like BT Tower. 140 for Snow Hill and 135 for Broad Street Tower. Birmingham is jumping into another level itself with skyscrapers.

I understand what you are saying about the skyline though, I think Birmingham is trying to improve it more than maintain it now.

Exactly. Congrats to Birmingham (Arena Central at 175m?) and Manchester (Eastgate 188m). However, for Leeds to now be building Lumiere at 171m is an absolutely incredible for Leeds, and anywhere in the country.

Subliving.

Arena Central can go upto 186 metres from what I've heard but it is anticipated to be 175 metres. There will be a significant roof feature seeing as the tower is probably going to get wider nearer the top than halfway down (it will appear as if it has been squeezed in the middle). Also, it is going to be approx 50 storeys (beetham manc is 47/ 48) and then the mechanical floors will be added. It should be a substantial tower. Planning application to be handed in sometime soon.

I know a lot of people make fun of Arena Central, but I think it'll make an awesome addition to the Birmingham skyline when it does arrive. If it has a great design. Will it commence construction this year?

Subliving.

Not entirely sure. Enabling works for the entire development will begin this year with the rerouting of electricity and heating from the buildings that are going to stay and some demolition work should start. The tower will be the first part to begin construction, if it doesn't start this year, it will definitly start early next year (unless Ruth Kelly gets her oar in).

Ah, Ruth Kelly - The Skyscraper Slayer.

Subliving.

i didn't know where this would best fit so i thought this was the most general thread. It only clips the north of the city centre but you can see Quarry Hill and the headrow and the civic hall but i thought it was quite a cool video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVK7l1wIyfU&mode=related&search=

Apparently Arena Central may have already started. Some windows have been boarded up on the site :banana:

Even knocking down those excisting building would be an improvment! Let's build a car park on the rubble!

How I wish the Arena Central saga would just end one way or t'other.

:soapbox: Ok I have a question for you guys!

I have a huge amount of civic pride for my home city of Birmingham. As do all of you for your home towns. So why do we (yes ive been guilty for some comments too) slag off other cities so much?

There's nothing wrong with a bit of banter and rivalry, it can get funny and entertaining too. But sometimes i get the impression some people actually hate to see other cities doing well!

Why do us brummies, for example, get so many negative comments, our city gives billions to the economy we all live in. And has played a huge part in making this country great. Yet we seem have nearly every project we have propossed ridiculed and sneared at.

Why?

I make stupid comment's sometimes, which i don't mean at all. Mainly in retaliation because i take every jibe at brum personally. :horse:

I don't ridicule Birmingham, I think?

However, if you're looking for an answer to your question I think it lies in the topic name of the thread.

To be nice to one another, we generally make the effort to actually go to the Birmingham/Manchester/Leeds forum, saving this one for being downright cruel, offensive and often spouting complete nonesense.

By the way, Manchester sucks because it has the word "man" at the beginning which is no longer politically correct.

:runaway:

:wink2:

Subliving.

I remember the Manchester banner. I found it difficult to see the t and r (colourblindness) so it looked like Manchese *shudder*.

:lol: Sick.

Birmingham isnt exactly a nice sounding name either... we need more pretty place names like Colne :yes:

Birmingham sounds awesome especially if you say it like this

BirminG-HAM

Yes but then there is the good old 'Buuuuuurrrrrrrrmingham' :laugh:
Boringham
Brumhole
Burn-me-ham
Burma-dam
Pffft

Lets see what sort of other fillings/foods besides ham could replace Ham in Birmingham.....

Birming Cheese
Birming Chicken and mushroom pie
Birming hotdog

etc

Having Birmingham doesnt exactly help either.

What about Man and Chest. And if theres a strange accent it could be Man Chest Hair =/

Forget Manchester we should just nickname you Mancheese. You're a bit dirty up thier and everything ;)

Forget Manchester we should just nickname you Mancheese. You're a bit dirty up thier and everything ;)
Nah, the soap-dodgers are all on merseyside....:)

Nah, the soap-dodgers are all on merseyside....:)

Liverpoo?

saliva-pool

Bumming-ham, Man-love-Charlie-Chester, Liver-poo-sta.....no ill leave that one

Nuke-asshole.

Apparently Arena Central may have already started. Some windows have been boarded up on the site :banana:

Then it hasnt started.....pah

Rotting-ham?

:ohno: at myself...

Subliving.

Oh i just realised...I can say this in here. Have Liverpuddlians all gone friggin blind? How the hell does anyone allow a building like Unity fucking shit house to be built. And the new beetham is wankstain.

Unity house though makes me REALLY FUCKING ANGRY.

Judging from the brummies average post's, they are:

learning-spam?

[I also :ohno: at myself.]

WTF is Unity house? :?

Oh i just realised...I can say this in here. Have Liverpuddlians all gone friggin blind? How the hell does anyone allow a building like Unity fucking shit house to be built. And the new beetham is wankstain.

Unity house though makes me REALLY FUCKING ANGRY.

blah blah blah, the size of unity is good and the shape too, the cladding is IMO ugly but it divides opinion some people like it. I feel the building would be much more imporessive with some floor-by-floor horizontal pattern.

Judging from the brummies average post's, they are:

learning-spam?

[I also :ohno: at myself.]

Double :ohno: :ohno:

The smaller Unity is good. Nothing wrong with that one. The taller one's ok apart from the penthouse. That's well shit. At one point I thought it was a contender for the 'worst 21st century +70m building in the UK' title, though Orion has managed to hold on to that prestigious accolade. It will however be toppled by the awful Opal Tower in Leeds, possibly some time next year.

The smaller Unity is good.
No, I think the smaller one is the worst. Although it doesnt stand out as much as the taller one, get right up next to it and it looks crappy and cheaply finished.
I like the taller one, but only from street level. It doesnt look good on the skyline.

Oh i just realised...I can say this in here. Have Liverpuddlians all gone friggin blind? How the hell does anyone allow a building like Unity fucking shit house to be built. And the new beetham is wankstain.

Unity house though makes me REALLY FUCKING ANGRY.

Are you refering to the Beetham 1 or the Beetham west.If Beetham 1 I agree with you, if Beetham west then I suggest you are the one who should have your eyes tested.Well proportioned and aesthetically pleasing tower.

I actually really like Beetham 1. It stands out from the other ones cos its not all glass cladding. Reminds me of something from Frankfurt. I would choose to have that built in Preston over any of the others. The only things I dont like about it are the back (although its not as bad as HCT's) and the stupid hotel attached to it.

You didn't just compare Beetham 1 to something from Frankfurt... :ohno:

The back and sides of Beetham 1 let it down,but then again so does the front,it looks insipid.

Ever since Beetham designed that tower for London everyone seems to have gone off their towers.They were the best thing since sliced bread a few months ago.

I think people would like them more if beetham didn't use the same random stripes cladding style on every tower.

(although its not as bad as HCT's)

You either love it or hate it.

I think people would like them more if beetham didn't use the same random stripes cladding style on every tower.

Imagine the skyline of Liverpool and Manchester and Birmingham without their towers they have done alot for those citys.

^^ Exactly! Manchester would be nothing at the moment without Beetham. Birmingham would certainly not have a major focal point and it would not have a pinnacle there. Liverpool's would not look as good anymore either (even though the tower itself is shite). Beetham West is promising.

^^ Exactly! Manchester would be nothing at the moment without Beetham. Birmingham would certainly not have a major focal point and it would not have a pinnacle there. Liverpool's would not look as good anymore either (even though the tower itself is shite). Beetham West is promising.

Manchesters skyline just does not work i think the towers are too spaced out to make a real impact.Liverpool has a really small but very dense cluster and Birmingham just has sheer numbers.

Well Birmingham had a boom in the 1960s. It was an architect's paradise and a developer's one too. I think over time, Manchester will start to get denser and Liverpool will carry on to grow taller. Birmingham will do both these things.

Posted by Rob in the Leeds forum.

Here's a little chart I put together, listing all the buildings in the major UK cities outside London, complete or actually under construction, in a kind of graphical format, 15 stories or over.

All details from Skyscrapernews.com, I think I got everything. All council housing is excluded as it is genarally on its way out.

Completed buildings in bold, under construction in faint.

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid222/p9845724ea0b8c8423cc1e6eaa5ae3a40/eb2d406f.jpghttp://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid222/pb26b9d5cfc99f17faa7f9bc75b87a307/eb2d4069.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid222/p86e06d6c6a4804eb6c0d92d062fa8f95/eb2d4064.jpghttp://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid222/p11678e4375f48f2dddd6fdc58c988bb5/eb2d4061.jpg

Like it or not, it shows Manchester is the high rise king, the UK's second city. How does Leeds do?, in third I reckon just ahead of Liverpool.

^^The Orion Building is missing from that, it has 28 floors.

That list is rubbish. It excludes council housing for one. BT tower fails to make it because it has only 4 floors although being the 2nd tallest city structure outside London. Umm ... done to make sure someone comes out on top ;) Add the BT tower, 2x 32 floor sentinels and the 28 storey Orion, 16 storey Orion 2 will even go on, thats u/c, McClaren 20 storey office tower has been left out, aswell as the 20 storey bank house, 22 storey centenary Plaza, 18 storey belgrave tower :hahaha: I could go on.

Pretty lame attempt really.

It does say in the header excluding council housing.

They add to skyline and Orion Tower is not just council housing. I've never known a council house to be designed John Rocha or be located on top of 28 storey building and cost £1.5 million.

It does say in the header excluding council housing.

Council housing or not if they are located within the city center they add to its density.

Even so. BT, Orion 1 & 2, Belgrave Middleway, McClaren, Bank House, Centenary Plaza should all be added otherwise it doesnt give a fair representation.

One of you pedantic souls update it they hey.
There are buildings from other cities missing too btw.

Why update it! We already know Birmingham's city center is the most high-rise and dense in the UK outside London. This is just a feeble attempt to try and displace truth.

http://inthemac.com/simon/odd/ssc/stitch_smileyface.jpg

Why update it! We already know Birmingham's city center is the most high-rise and dense in the UK outside London. This is just a feeble attempt to try and displace truth.

Nope. You're including council blocks so Glasgow pisses all over Birmingham.

That list is rubbish. It excludes council housing for one. BT tower fails to make it because it has only 4 floors although being the 2nd tallest city structure outside London. Umm ... done to make sure someone comes out on top ;) Add the BT tower, 2x 32 floor sentinels and the 28 storey Orion, 16 storey Orion 2 will even go on, thats u/c, McClaren 20 storey office tower has been left out, aswell as the 20 storey bank house, 22 storey centenary Plaza, 18 storey belgrave tower :hahaha: I could go on.

Pretty lame attempt really.

What do you expect? It was created by Rob, the forumer who is satisfied with Opal Tower. The same forumer who told us all to grow up because we thought it was a load of shit.

:llama:

Nope. You're including council blocks so Glasgow pisses all over Birmingham.

No. they arent in the city center. So if we were to include Sandwell etc Birmingham pisses all over Glasgow.

The point is the table is a complete turd which is'nt evenworth a second look.

Adding council blocks may influence the overall ranking but IMO its irelevant. We should be getting rid of the things. Just look at that Birmingham picture above, they look shit! The city would be a better place without them.

Birmingham has some cracking new buildings going up and the centre is really starting to shape up. Lets hope something substantial is also done about some of the crap surrounding the centre too.

You're gunna make Butterfield cry with that statement. If anything, I say tower blocks are part of our heritage. I know the majority of us don't like them now because they are synonimous with run down council estates where 'chavs' are brought up and do their deeds but they were also a major part in our country's history. Whilst I do think some blocks need to go, I think we should keep some as well and do them up.

The council are doing that with 4 in the city centre, sadly I think they are the wrong blocks. They are right behind the Rep and Centenary Square and put a dreary contrast against the canals and ICC. It should be the ones which can be seen from all around which need doing up. Luckily Stephenson Tower on New Street Station has its days numbered (well that's unless the Stephenson Tower Residents Association actually get somewhere in their battle) and we'll be seeing that crashing to the ground once work on New Street station commences.

Some office blocks also need help. Big Top in the city centre is dull and you would not be able to name it on a picture of the skyline. That's sad. Buildings should stand out and the person should be able to name it. But I really want to see that come down along with the shopping centre beneath it. The whole area there could do with a new development to compliment the Bullring there. It's good that a lot of the old office highrises and even midrises are getting the TLC they have long deserved. Quayside now looks modern and when I first saw a picture of it, I was shocked that it was even built in the 1960s (then I found out about the refurb). Rotunda is an icon now and has been given a sprucing up. Some building on the Suffolk Queensway has suddenly had a reclad but sadly the work man ship is terrible.

We should be preserving our heritage now destroying it though :yes:. Though I would really want to see City Tower in Manchester come down. It maybe a major part of the skyline but it is ugly beyond belief - even the plans to revamp it are shite. I have no comment on CIS because we'll be going round in circles.

Octoman has got a bit of a point. I would far rather see modern skyscrapers in a city centre than tower blocks (although I do like those lickle brown ones on the left of that photo ;)). I love tower blocks but I know that they're quite often ugly and unwelcoming which is exactly what you don't want in a city centre.

Relocate them to my back garden, I say!! :speech:

Whatever way you look at it tower blocks are plain ugly and should never be in a city centre,you can't polish a turd so there's no use trying.

,you can't polish a turd so there's no use trying.

Nope, but you can put sprinkles on it:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42409000/jpg/_42409829_poo_sprinkles_reuters.jpg

:lol:

:cheers: That makes a refreshing change from some mindless attack,nice one Paul.:D

Nope, but you can put sprinkles on it:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42409000/jpg/_42409829_poo_sprinkles_reuters.jpg

That was on newsround not too long ago :)

^^Indeed it was. That's were I got the pic from :lol:

Liverpool has demolished more council towers and tenaments than either manc or Brum have ever posessed (exagerated to make point)

Why are these silly arguments infesting this whole fucking website?

Stubby penis syndrome, Sebo.

Liverpool has demolished more council towers and tenaments than either manc or Brum have ever posessed (exagerated to make point)

Why are these silly arguments infesting this whole fucking website?

Well I guess thats that then, end of discussion. :|

37 posts to go :)

37 posts to go :)

Until you officially become the most annoying person on here?

That were a joke by the way.

That were a joke by the way.

Thank You :)

You know Accy, you and me are pretty similar in that we both post in support of a city thats not our own. There is one difference though, you won't catch me talking down about a city I've not been to, thats why you'll never hear me diss Preston. You really should visit Brum some day its a good place and has a real big city feeling at least it does as soon as you leave that grotty subteranean cave they call a station.

That were a joke by the way.

Of course it was a joke. Accura became the most annoying person on here many moons ago, closely followed by the likes of Twiz and Kids in the riot.

Don't get me started on Kids in the Riot, the only reason I can deal with him is because his name is from my second favourite Libertines song.

Ever considered they think your just as annoying as you do them for the very same reasons you do them also? Hey huh? Ey hey? Your all tossers I say. But yeah I can agree on accura.

Naah, Telfordboy's bostin' :happy:.

Don't get me started on Kids in the Riot

YOu jokin? Van's bitter becuase i had a go at him out in the skyline thread, but i don't even know you. :sly:

Nah you're ok, I was bored at work so I thought I'd play a game called bait the Mancs. I thought with the huge chips on your shoulders that a lot of Mancs seem to have that someone would rise, but credit where its due I suppose.
Oh and cheers Ereb, Its ace when someone sticks up for you.
Manchester sucks.

:sly:

Manchester sucks.

Telfordboy!! :shocked: :nono: Manchester has its moments (as does anywhere) but I could never say it "sucks"! I'll allow you to dislike some of the obnoxious Manchester and friends forumers though, and that also goes for any obnoxious forumers on here. :yes: ;)

Naah, he's just saying that to keep the city bashing alive :). This forum wouldn't be half what it is without the city bashing :happy:.

Oh sorry. I don't often enter the city bashing threads, and when I do I don't like what I see. I try to like everyone. I'll just... go back to my usual... haunts. :(

Of course it was a joke. Accura became the most annoying person on here many moons ago, closely followed by the likes of Twiz and Kids in the riot.

What did I do? Make some points about Birmingham in the skyline thread which are my opinion? Apologies but thats why we have the threads city bashing, best skyline and best future skyline isn't it? I know when I started posting in them it was just arguing, and a lot of people weren't actually making any points they were just saying 'x is a shit city, y is much better'. Fag.

Is that appropriate language?

Which bit? Theres loads of inappropriate fucking language on here... 'Fag' was of course referencing the need for a cigarrette break - personally I don't smoke but some of you might.

:hilarious :rofl: :hilarious :rofl:

:hahano: :hahano: :hahano:

I'm really, really, really sorry to do this. But it got a bit quiet on here, and it *is* the city bashing thread...

http://www.citymayors.com/features/euro_cities1.html

Discuss.

Subliving.

Manchester isn't even on the list. I didn't realise Sheffield was so large population-wise.

Wigan, Stockport, Bolton, Salford and Oldham on there contributing more than 1m on there

It's all been said before,Leeds has artificial boundaries while manchester/Liverpool's don't do them justice,in reality this is were this discussion should end because that's the way it is.

Wigan, Stockport, Bolton, Salford and Oldham on there contributing more than 1m on there

Um, they're part of the Greater Manchester conurbation. Now lets say we included the West Midlands conurbation then it'll still be ahead though not by much. But this list isn't about the conurbations, it's about the cities themselves. That's why I get sick of people acting as if Salford is part of Manchester. If they did that all the time then Birmingham can happily justify using Wolverhampton as part of Birmingham and that's just a town unlike Salford which is a city.

Guess you don't know your own area, as Wolverhampton was granted City status in 2000 i believe. :bash:

www.wolverhamptoncity.co.uk

:lol:

And don' forget, Salford is 'Manchester's Waterfront' according to Media City:UK, i guess that makes Woverhampton 'Birminghams Backside' lol!

And don' forget, Salford is 'Manchester's Waterfront' according to Media City:UK, i guess that makes Woverhampton 'Birminghams Backside' lol!

I actually find that rather offensive. I believe you should apologise at once.

Guess you don't know your own area, as Wolverhampton was granted City status in 2000 i believe. :bash:

www.wolverhamptoncity.co.uk

:lol:

Well seeing as I dont live in Wolverhampton, you can't expect me to know everything about it. Van Heckler just might though :).

And don' forget, Salford is 'Manchester's Waterfront' according to Media City:UK, i guess that makes Woverhampton 'Birminghams Backside' lol!

And they say Brummie's don't have a sense of humour...

I actually find that rather offensive. I believe you should apologise at once.

Hey, this is City Bashing don't forget! No rules apply in here! :)

And they say Brummie's don't have a sense of humour...

I like Frank Skinner actually!:)

Frank Skinner's from the black country. Then again, if we're to pretend that Wigan, Stockport, Bolton, Salford and Oldham are part of Manchester then sure, he's a Brummie alright...

But as it's part of the broader Brum conurbation, i wouldn't notice the different really, to be honest!

Put like signs in Salford, that say just 'City Centre', leading to Manchester, i'm sure you have them in the Black Country leading to Birmingham, surely?

Wigan, Stockport, Bolton, Salford and Oldham on there contributing more than 1m on there

But the list compares cities?

You may aswell add Wakefield, Osset, Castleford, Knottingley, Featherstone, Batley, Dewsbury etc etc to Leeds.

If you look at the homepages for those councils you mentioned, none of them claim to be in Manchester.

The city boundaries we use are very accurate, that's why they are recognised by these international bodies.

But the list compares cities?

You may aswell add Wakefield, Osset, Castleford, Knottingley, Featherstone, Batley, Dewsbury etc etc to Leeds.

If you look at the homepages for those councils you mentioned, none of them claim to be in Manchester.

The city boundaries we use are very accurate, that's why they are recognised by these international bodies.


look far enough, i'm sure you'll find them on the list, city or not!

With the exception of Wakefield, I think most people would already consider those places to be in Leeds anyway.

Some probably consider those places to be even more so part of Leeds than even Wetherby and Otley; particularly as there is no intervening countryside between many of those places and Leeds.