Hey, this is City Bashing don't forget! No rules apply in here! :)

Tell me where it says Wolverhampton in the title of this thread. Besides, it was an unprovoked attack on a city which is rarely ever mentioned on these threads.

Well done to the Loiner from Columbo for getting the 2000th post...

It's laughable how the anti-Manchester brigade are moaning about how Manchester gets everthing on the BBC relocates to Salford thread,suddenly Salford is Manchester, then when they want to compare the size of cities Salford is not Manchester. How people like to twist things to suit them.

=/ Its a post.. some are easily pleased! *Colombo.

Most people agree that Salford is in Manchester.

It's when you start adding places like Bolton that people think you're pushing it.

Most people agree that Salford is in Manchester.

It's when you start adding places like Bolton that people think you're pushing it.
I agree with this. It's obvious to all but the most parochial fools that Manchester is more than just the borough of the same name, but I don't see how places like Wigan and Bolton can actually be classed as part of Manchester (whether or not they are part of its city region is a different debate entirely).

I'd agree with that.

Most people agree that Salford is in Manchester.

It's when you start adding places like Bolton that people think you're pushing it.

Most people outside of the Birmingham area think Solihull is part of Birmingham .... try convincing a Silhillian of that!! Likewise, try telling your true Salfordian they are a Mancunian!!

Yeah but people from Sutton are like that too, and Sutton Coldfield is deffo in Brum. I think it is more to do with the affluent residents in those parts who fon't want to be connected with the scum (in their eyes) who live in Birmingham.

Yeah but people from Sutton are like that too, and Sutton Coldfield is deffo in Brum. I think it is more to do with the affluent residents in those parts who fon't want to be connected with the scum (in their eyes) who live in Birmingham.

You're right about Sutton, it is in Birmingham, but some of the older residents still remember the days when it was an independent town. 'Royal Sutton Coldfield, Warwickshire', sounds better to them than 'Sutton Coldfield, Birmingham'!

Solihull always has been an independent town, & has never been part of the City of Birmingham, even though if you were to fly over Solihull & Birmingham you would not see where Solihull ends & Birmingham starts, they are seamless.

Wasn't Sutton in Staffs?

If this doesn't 'bash' all the other cities into submission, then I don't know what else possibly could.

'Mediacity'.

Can another city in the discussion put forward a scheme such as this to the table?...Negative! Cut above the rest still :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture103m.jpg

Bring it on ey?

We have two big schemes in the pipeline but yours is at a more advanced stage,it's not a race we'll get there eventually.

it's not a race we'll get there eventually.

Any information? I'd be interested to look them up.

If this doesn't 'bash' all the other cities into submission, then I don't know what else possibly could.

'Mediacity'.

Can another city in the discussion put forward a scheme such as this to the table?...Negative! Cut above the rest still :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture103m.jpg

Bring it on ey?

Blimey, Salford will have a better skyline than Manchester in a few years time!! Nice papier mache model btw. Take a look at Birmingham's £6 Billion Eastside development (which is attached to the Birmingham City Centre skyline), I think that compares favourably with your model!

Any information? I'd be interested to look them up.

You already know of Wirral Waters and the Central docks masterplan will be revealed in a couple of months and it's similar to Wirral waters scheme apparently.

Peel plan to build city dock towers

Here's what they had to say about the Central/North docks masterplan,it's not a quick fix but it will be spectacular if and when it happens.

LIVERPOOL'S derelict Central Docks is to be developed with skyscrapers to mirror the skyline proposed for Wirral.

The Daily Post can reveal that senior executives from Peel Holdings have already shown their vision for Liverpool's waterfront to council leader Cllr Warren Bradley and chief executive Colin Hilton.

The aim by Peel, owners of the docks as well as Liverpool John Lennon Airport, is to create a stunning high-rise waterfront gateway on both sides of the Mersey.

Buildings of up to 50-storeys high will be a dominant feature of the waterfront, stretching from Central Docks towards Princes Dock, which is also part of the Peel land ownership.

Peel's master plan for Central Docks is expected to be presented to city councillors within weeks. Then the public will be given a chance to the vision for the waterfront for themselves.

On Tuesday, the privately owned company announced details of its £4.5bn plan to create a mini-Manhattan based on Birkenhead Docks to be known as Wirral Waters. Few people realised that, behind the scenes, Peel's director of development, Lindsey Ashworth, had already created a wider master plan embracing both sides of the river.


Last night, Mr Ashworth said: "We are trying to do something spectacular on both sides of the river. Our aim is to develop the Wirral and Liverpool waterfronts simultaneously.


"The schemes we have in mind for Central and Princes will be on a similar level to what we propose in Wirral.

"We want to create clusters of skyscrapers on both sides of the river. That will ensure the Mersey as a waterfront is up there with the very best in the world.

"Until recently, Liverpool had a provisional policy of high-rise buildings, but things have changed. We see skyscrapers as making a bold statement about an area.

"When I first visited Central Docks, I was amazed at its dereliction and the fact that it is just not being used.

"But the site is outstanding and it beggars belief that nothing has happened on the site. It was easier for us to unveil our plans for Wirral first, but our ambitions for Liverpool are not far behind. We are talking about initiatives that can take as long as 30 years to come to fruition. Our wide masterplan takes account of a long timescale and making the most of the waterfronts."

New buildings proposed for Princes Dock are likely to be taller than originally envisaged, as part of the evolving skyscraper strategy for the waterfront.

Last night, city council leader Cllr Warren Bradley said: "I want to see a European-style scheme along the waterfront and I am impressed by what Peel is talking about. The Central and North docks areas are a huge development site and we are talking about a massive project for Liverpool.

"John Whittaker (chairman of Peel) has a reputation for delivering, and I am looking forward to seeing the master plan for this side of the river.

"Liverpool City Council will make sure the facilities are in place to ensure this scheme moved forward. I view Peel as a perfect partner in a regeneration strategy."

^^I want someone like Peel in Birmingham!!! :cry:

Right - going back to MediaCity...

I am full of praise for Manchester on securing the Beeb move (Salford/Mcr) but it is worth noting that the MediaCity model above is, if I am not mistaken, a long-term projection of what it MIGHT look like, if all the investment is forthcoming.

Auntie Beeb is a good start, and there is every chance a lot of broadcast companies will follow, but there is also the chance that it will look nothing like the model so everything should be taken with a pinch of salt (and that means it coudl end up looking MORE glamorous and funky of course).

As for comparable schemes, I would probably say the Eastern Gateway to Birmingham is similar in size. Admittedly this is several schemes but it still sizeable :) They comprise £590m Martineau Galleries, £300m Masshouse, £150m City Park Gate

Well there is Cardiffs Sports village - up in the air at the moment when it comes to final designs, but the origional designs were good, and would create a cluster in that area of the bay

Blimey, Salford will have a better skyline than Manchester in a few years time!! Nice papier mache model btw. Take a look at Birmingham's £6 Billion Eastside development (which is attached to the Birmingham City Centre skyline), I think that compares favourably with your model!

Its going to be one huge skyline but with the taller towers on the Manchester side,although I now expect one or two tall skyscrapers will be proposed for Salford quays area as a spin off.

I think Peel will wait until Ruth Kelly is out of her position before proposing anything for real :).

re Peel and Warren Bradley... I wonder what he means by 'a European type scheme' on the waterfront.... low rise, uniform skyline, a la Venice?

Sinking, and reeking of shit? :?

re Peel and Warren Bradley... I wonder what he means by 'a European type scheme' on the waterfront.... low rise, uniform skyline, a la Venice?

I picked up on that too. I'd sooner have an East Asian type scheme with a British/Northern European slant to it. ;)

An Aussie majior city would suffice...

If this doesn't 'bash' all the other cities into submission, then I don't know what else possibly could.

'Mediacity'.

Can another city in the discussion put forward a scheme such as this to the table?...Negative! Cut above the rest still :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v397/jrb041067/Picture103m.jpg

Bring it on ey?


Err, Birmingham Eastside? Whats been approved or U/C at the moment done by Erebus. Thie view is from just above the Pinnacle. Just another 300 acres to go :hahaha:

Masshouse, City Park Gate and Martineau Galleries 3 of almost 18 schemes. £1b of investment already, towers already taller then Media City. Although for a city Salfords size is't pretty good.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d101/Erebus555/Sketchup%20Models/overcity.jpg

Is that the new Stovetop Espresso Tower Sim? :)

http://www.espressoguy.com/pics/machines_stovetop.jpg

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d101/Erebus555/Sketchup%20Models/overcity.jpg

Masshouse, City Park Gate and Martineau Galleries 3 of almost 18 schemes. £1b of investment already, towers already taller then Media City. Although for a city Salfords size is't pretty good.

The difference being Sim.

Those proposals you've mentioned are located in your city centre. Mediacity will be located 2-3 miles away at Salford Quays. In theory giving Manchester it's own Canary Wharf.(sorry for using that comparison/London again.)

It's an outline application, so there's nothing to suggest the proposed buildings won't be taller.

To be honest Sim, I don't really care about how tall the proposed buildings will be. What excites me more is the concept of Mediacity and what it will eventually offer Manchester and the North of England. :)

Is that the new Stovetop Espresso Tower Sim? :)

http://www.espressoguy.com/pics/machines_stovetop.jpg

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d101/Erebus555/Sketchup%20Models/overcity.jpg

:lol:That's what I thought when I made it. It's supposed to be Arena Central just how I see it from the models we have got but looking at the statistics it's going to be a bit bigger in height, width and length and its 175 metres on that model too. I would delete it but it practically turns my computer into Windows 95 everytime I open up the model.

An Aussie majior city would suffice...

Hear hear!

Aren't most East Asian skylines designed by European architects anyway?

Hear hear!

Aren't most East Asian skylines designed by European architects anyway?

I now live in perth and there is nothing special about the urban fabric of aussie/american city centres. Give me the manchester street scene any day of the week. However these taller skylines do look good on photos. You don't even see the tall scrapers untill you are underneath them.

I now live in perth and there is nothing special about the urban fabric of aussie/american city centres. Give me the manchester street scene any day of the week. However these taller skylines do look good on photos. You don't even see the tall scrapers untill you are underneath them.

My aunt & uncle live in Perth, think it has a touch of the "Moss Side" in some areas over there now, so they tell me?!

The difference being Sim.

Those proposals you've mentioned are located in your city centre. Mediacity will be located 2-3 miles away at Salford Quays. In theory giving Manchester it's own Canary Wharf.(sorry for using that comparison/London again.)



Umm, there is no difference. You are developing land which needs as is Birmingham. Eastside is the growth of Birmingham by 33% - growth into areas where the city center has never been before. The beggining projects are bases to contiue the expansion... err ... eastwards.

I now live in perth and there is nothing special about the urban fabric of aussie/american city centres. Give me the manchester street scene any day of the week. However these taller skylines do look good on photos. You don't even see the tall scrapers untill you are underneath them.

Well, I was thinking more along the lines of Melbourne & Sydney, but only from photos as I've never been Down Under.

That said, I have been to the Far East and a lot of Asian (especially Chinese) cities have a 'slash & burn' approach to development and don't consider the existing road layout & urban fabric. Some come good on public space though.

Is that Baiyoke Sky Hotel on your Avatar? :cool:

Umm, there is no difference. You are developing land which needs as is Birmingham. Eastside is the growth of Birmingham by 33% - growth into areas where the city center has never been before. The beggining projects are bases to contiue the expansion... err ... eastwards.

Eastside is getting Birmingham back to where it was in the 1950's before the inner ring road was built. Whole swathes of land & buildings were cleared in the 1950's to make way for the construction of the inner ring road, which had the effect of making Birmingham city centre smaller, & strangling any growth of the central area.

With the removal of the inner ring road, Birmingham city centre, in area, is getting back to where it was 50 years ago.

Having an inner ring road does not `strangle' growth. It focuses investment in the urban core and should create a higher, denser core than without the ring road.

Manchester will greatly benefit from having a defined inner core, surrounded by the inner ring road, allowing easy access for cars. Cars which are not going anywhere dispite what the green loonies claim.

The inner ring road in Birmingham choked the city centre. It was only when they breached it with Centenary Square and the ICC did the city centre lurch westwards into Brindley Place and Broad St, and now it has been similarly dismantled to the south and east we have the new Bullring and Eastside respectively.

Having an inner ring road does not `strangle' growth. It focuses investment in the urban core and should create a higher, denser core than without the ring road.

Manchester will greatly benefit from having a defined inner core, surrounded by the inner ring road, allowing easy access for cars. Cars which are not going anywhere dispite what the green loonies claim.

Birmingham's inner ring road was smaller than that of Coventry or Walsall, & for a city of it's size, was too restrictive. It is widely acknowledged that Birmingham's inner ring road did restrict growth of the city centre. Birmingham's topography is quite hilly, so development of certain structures is limited to certain areas.

The middle ring road around Birmingham will eventually become the inner ring road, it is a much larger area & you could probably fit the City of Manchester in it.

Eastside is getting Birmingham back to where it was in the 1950's before the inner ring road was built. Whole swathes of land & buildings were cleared in the 1950's to make way for the construction of the inner ring road, which had the effect of making Birmingham city centre smaller, & strangling any growth of the central area.

With the removal of the inner ring road, Birmingham city centre, in area, is getting back to where it was 50 years ago.


Industrial buildings and homes. Not offices, retail and major residential schemes. That is the big difference.

Industrial buildings and homes. Not offices, retail and major residential schemes. That is the big difference.

Take a look at pictures from the 1940's & 50's Sim, it was all residential mixed in with factories, my Grandparents were born round there, it was part of Birmingham's centre.

Major residential schemes didn't exist back then, neither did retail developments or major office schemes! But this was the centre of Birmingham ... why do you keep contradicting what I write??

Having an inner ring road does not `strangle' growth. It focuses investment in the urban core and should create a higher, denser core than without the ring road.

Manchester will greatly benefit from having a defined inner core, surrounded by the inner ring road, allowing easy access for cars. Cars which are not going anywhere dispite what the green loonies claim.

Well if you want to go and build one in Manchester, go ahead then! But I wouldn't recommend it...

ring roads and all other associated dedicated 'highways' are anti urban!

Never met one I liked, not inner ones anyhow. Outer thingeos like Queens Drive in Liverpool or the Oxford ring road are okay though.

Birminghams really was awful, big sections of it were raised like Masshouse Circus and I think there is/was a bit near the mailbox. and you could see that it stopped investment and stuff just by looking at the Mclaren building. The sheer face of this big office building pushed right up against the ring road and then nothing but scabby wharehouses and stuff. There must be some pics of it on SSC somewhere.

The queensway is still in front of the Mailbox but it's probably best being there seeing as the gradient from Broad Street to the Suffolk Queensway changes significantly. Masshouse was terrible. Eastside would not have been possible without getting rid of it and now Digbeth is also on the verge of witnessing how much potential it has got.

I thought it was still there but I tend to skirt the Mailbox, the fact that the security guards in there wear suits that cost more than my monthly pay makes me feel a bit poor.

Well when you are in one of the most upmarket shopping centres in the country, I think we all feel a hint inferiority. I was shocked to find out that at most of the time there are only 100 shoppers in the Mailbox!

Really? amazing. I love the building though, the colour of it is fantastic and when you stand on the steps out front you really feel like you're in a big city.
I sometimes go to some of the bars there but we approach it from behind to avoid the dirty looks of those security guards. Can't wait till the Cube is built.

The Cube will be brilliant. It's be just like Selfridges in terms of the reactions it'll receive. Ken Shuttleworth is a genius.

I should have qualified my sweeping condemnation a bit there!
Of course, I mean the type of inner ring road and engineering that turns 'streets' into dedicated clearways.

Never met one I liked, not inner ones anyhow. Outer thingeos like Queens Drive in Liverpool or the Oxford ring road are okay though.

I think Leeds' inner ring road is ok; it does its job well; infact its being expanded right now. It doesnt seem to have stopped investment outside it, as proven. Possibly due to much of it being covered over by various buildings though, particularly the LGI.

The Manchester inner ring road is superb, especially the Salford section, it makes driving around the city centre so much easier. However, the part of the inner ring road I detest most is the Mancunian Way flyover.(it's an eyesore) I would demolish it straightaway and replace it with a ground level, tree lined, dual carriageway, with residential and retail developments on either side of it.

Looking down Oxford road.

http://www.tradebit.com/usr/aidanorourke/pub/9002/ManOxfdRdMaths5202-M.jpg

but the highway planners would hate that. They see these roads as exclusively dedicated to moving traffic from one zone to another. To put all this gubbins facing onto the street would not only bring back obsolete form, but would slow the traffic, as people do things like stop and spend money and visit people!

Mancunian Way is a very useful (and well used) road and you just couldn't replace it with a ground based dual-carriageway effectively.

Well if you want to go and build one in Manchester, go ahead then! But I wouldn't recommend it...


Confused?

We already have an inner ring road, part of an outer ring road (Alan Turing Way) and the M60 orbital.

It works.

Take a look at pictures from the 1940's & 50's Sim, it was all residential mixed in with factories, my Grandparents were born round there, it was part of Birmingham's centre.

Major residential schemes didn't exist back then, neither did retail developments or major office schemes! But this was the centre of Birmingham ... why do you keep contradicting what I write??

It was'nt the city center. It was industrial units and factories a bit like Digbeth at the moment but with less adjoining and commercial units.

The Eastside project is expanding the natural CBD further east. Im contradicting you because you have to argue over everything and dont really understand what the "city" is.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :crazy: It was'nt the city center. It was industrial units and factories a bit like Digbeth at the moment but with less adjoining and commercial units.

The Eastside project is expanding the natural CBD further east. Im contradicting you because you have to argue over everything and dont really understand what the "city" is.

You always seem to do that when you cant think of a response. Zenith's right. How can anyone take you seriously :sleepy:

:hammer: You always seem to do that when you cant think of a response. Zenith's right. How can anyone take you seriously :sleepy:

Yeh, best. :sleepy:

:hug: Yeh, best. :sleepy:

Confused?

We already have an inner ring road, part of an outer ring road (Alan Turing Way) and the M60 orbital.

It works.

Don't mean to be anal here, but the M60 is an outer ring road, NOT an orbital, as conurbations lie on both sides of the motorway, where as the M25, which is 'Orbital', totally encircles London, with conurbations all lying within the M25. :)

The signs on the M60 actually say 'M60 - Manchester Outer Ring Road - Ring Road North/South/East/West', no orbital in sight i'm afraid!

Don't mean to be anal here, but the M60 is an outer ring road, NOT an orbital, as conurbations lie on both sides of the motorway, where as the M25, which is 'Orbital', totally encircles London, with conurbations all lying within the M25. :)

The signs on the M60 actually say 'M60 - Manchester Outer Ring Road - Ring Road North/South/East/West', no orbital in sight i'm afraid!

Whilst you're being pedantic then, the M25 is not an orbital motorway either - as part of it is only classed as dual carridgeway.

:lol: i should've seen that one coming!

Yup, it's certainly not a complete circle of a motorway thanks to the dartford tunnel i believe!

And the M60 just about gets away being a complete circle, thanks to the anti clockwise slip road at Simister island! Clockwise at the same junction you have to navigate a roundabout and trafficlights, but it's still 'motorway certified' bizarre!

But yup M25 = Orbital (mostly, lol), M60 = Ring Road :lol: :cheers:

And the M60 just about gets away being a complete circle, thanks to the anti clockwise slip road at Simister island! Clockwise at the same junction you have to navigate a roundabout and trafficlights, but it's still 'motorway certified' bizarre!

Yup - you can legally drive round that roundabout at 70mph. :lol:

Note; there's no Birmingham input here (sniff!) .... no orbital motorway!

Well, you're halfway there, although part of it is a toll road :lol:

They've all got different numbers though, M6 Toll, M6, M42 & M5! The last 3 do orbit Birmingham though.

But it's not an orbital motorway. I guess the M6, M5 & M42 sort of do the job but we need a western bypass west of the Black Country serving Shrewsbury etc.

But it's not an orbital motorway. I guess the M6, M5 & M42 sort of do the job but we need a western bypass west of the Black Country serving Shrewsbury etc.

Got more chance of me marrying Kylie Minogue than that ever happening!! The residents of South Staffordshire & North West Worcestershire will have something to say on this matter!

Bring on the Western Orbital route I say.

It won't happen in our life time Telford, and in 50 years time I think our travelling patterns & modes of transport will have changed such that there will be no need for any more major road building.

Yeah It was pretty close to being built a few years ago but it won't happen now. In 50 years time Telford and the Black Country will have merged and the whole WM conurbation will be the capital city most of the rest of the major British cities will be under water.

Oh God, you've done it now, I'm going!!!

Yeah It was pretty close to being built a few years ago but it won't happen now. In 50 years time Telford and the Black Country will have merged and the whole WM conurbation will be the capital city most of the rest of the major British cities will be under water.

Worthy of a whole new thread!

Should you believe the doomsayers then indeed within 50 years we shall be seeing:

London, Liverpool, Glasgow under water.

So that leaves Manchester and Brum to fight out 1st city status.

Obviously that means the UK's 2nd city status so long looked at with dreamy eyes shall go to Leeds. Lucky chaps.

London will no doubt be the new `Venice of the North', a title swiftly passed down to London from the pitying Brummies who have bigger fish to fry, so to speak.

I doubt any government would let London drown, they'll build on stilts or summat or it could be like one of those cloud cities from star wars.

There is actually a policy or something in the house of commons which would see many London landmarks diamnatled and moved elsewhere should disaster strike.

Lets not forget Worcester was chosen to house parliment during the war should a German invasion suceed.

Staying on the war theme, I'm sure I saw on Midlands Today that Bridgnorth had been chosen by the Nazis to host a puppet reigeme (a la Vichy France) if they had beaten Britain.

Bring back the M62 all the way, you can't steal part of a motorway just cause you want to pretend to be big like London !

Umm, there is no difference. You are developing land which needs as is Birmingham. Eastside is the growth of Birmingham by 33% - growth into areas where the city center has never been before. The beggining projects are bases to contiue the expansion... err ... eastwards.

There is a difference Sim.(oh no there isn't/oh yes there is :nuts: )

This panoramic view perfectly illustrates exactly what I mean. Look at the distance between Dock 9/Mediacity and Manchester City centre.(Beetham is visible in the distance)

http://www.mediacityuk.co.uk/img/gallery/panoramic.jpg

Now compare that to Erebuss555's diagram showing most if not all of Birmingham's future towers/proposals situated in the city centre.

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d101/Erebus555/Sketchup%20Models/overcity.jpg

Yes, Eastside will grow and expand outwards, but it will always be connected/linked/be apart of Birmingham's city centre, Where as Manchester's city centre and Salford Quays/Mediacity will always be separate from each other.( That's unless Pomona is finally redeveloped of course/below)

Caw that still is a stunning panormic picture BTW. :)

http://www.skyscrapernews.com/images/pics/826ManchesterSkyline_pic1.jpg

Worthy of a whole new thread!

Should you believe the doomsayers then indeed within 50 years we shall be seeing:

London, Liverpool, Glasgow under water.

So that leaves Manchester and Brum to fight out 1st city status.

Obviously that means the UK's 2nd city status so long looked at with dreamy eyes shall go to Leeds. Lucky chaps.

London will no doubt be the new `Venice of the North', a title swiftly passed down to London from the pitying Brummies who have bigger fish to fry, so to speak.


Even under 30ft of water Liverpool would still be the best!

I do not expect any variations on silly old jokes as a response to this!

That picture of Manchester is great. Love all the crane's on it.

Manchester city centre from Salford Quays -

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/3025/070qc.jpg

And an update of CAW's 2005 skyline photo -

http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/5614/129qi.jpg

The land between Salford Quays and the city centre is all waiting to be developed one way or another btw and has a metrolink tram line running through too. The distance between Salford Quays and the very centre of the city centre is 1-1.5 miles.

Once Pomona gets developed, and it will be, heavily... without a doubt, there will be a continuous sprawling link right up to the Quay's, indeed... going to be interesting seeing it grow.

There is a difference Sim.(oh no there isn't/oh yes there is :nuts: )

This panoramic view perfectly illustrates exactly what I mean. Look at the distance between Dock 9/Mediacity and Manchester City centre.(Beetham is visible in the distance)
...
Yes, Eastside will grow and expand outwards, but it will always be connected/linked/be apart of Birmingham's city centre, Where as Manchester's city centre and Salford Quays/Mediacity will always be separate from each other.( That's unless Pomona is finally redeveloped of course/below)


I think jrb's right Sim - Salford and Mcr are 2 different cities after all, each with separate administrations etc etc.

Salford is heavily developing its new heart, and it is inevitable that a string of offices/apartments/shops will grow along the roads connecting the Quays and Mcr City Centre. I think it is the first step towards a London-style urban area (many of Mcr's suburban High Streets feel slightly London-like IMO).

The time that something like that has happened in Brum was probably in the 1800's when Birmingham grew larger than Aston and eventually subsumed it. (That is the only similarity mind! The world was a very different place then!)

Birmingham on the other hand is rapidly expanding its city centre to fill the Middleway, so there is plenty of room for growth there. It is interesting how the 2 cities are diverging in that respect. In my experience, Brum's suburbs have a much more 'village/town' feel that Manchester & London's.

That's not to say one's better than the other, just different.

The thing with Brum is that many of the suburbs have and still are no go areas for students etc at night but they are quite busy thriving areas packed with culture and music like Handsworth, Sparkbrook etc.. loads of interesting quaint shops and restaurants from all around the world, but they never get a mention as you wouldn't necessarily advise anyone to go there at night, I think these areas are ripe for Brixton style development because there is loads of vine buildings waiting to be developed. I think the council are offering money to do up some of the finer bui,dings. I thin kthose two areas are single handedly respnsible for more reggae bands than anywhere else in Europe, and without a doubt the most sucessful, things like this need to be championed.

I think jrb's right Sim - Salford and Mcr are 2 different cities after all, each with separate administrations etc etc.

Salford is heavily developing its new heart, and it is inevitable that a string of offices/apartments/shops will grow along the roads connecting the Quays and Mcr City Centre. I think it is the first step towards a London-style urban area (many of Mcr's suburban High Streets feel slightly London-like IMO).

The time that something like that has happened in Brum was probably in the 1800's when Birmingham grew larger than Aston and eventually subsumed it. (That is the only similarity mind! The world was a very different place then!)

Birmingham on the other hand is rapidly expanding its city centre to fill the Middleway, so there is plenty of room for growth there. It is interesting how the 2 cities are diverging in that respect. In my experience, Brum's suburbs have a much more 'village/town' feel that Manchester & London's.

That's not to say one's better than the other, just different.

Hang on, think we've gone of track here. The debate was wether or not we had a project/scheme as good or better then the media city. Eastside is.

I think jrb's right Sim - Salford and Mcr are 2 different cities after all, each with separate administrations etc etc.

Salford is heavily developing its new heart, and it is inevitable that a string of offices/apartments/shops will grow along the roads connecting the Quays and Mcr City Centre. I think it is the first step towards a London-style urban area (many of Mcr's suburban High Streets feel slightly London-like IMO).

The time that something like that has happened in Brum was probably in the 1800's when Birmingham grew larger than Aston and eventually subsumed it. (That is the only similarity mind! The world was a very different place then!)

Birmingham on the other hand is rapidly expanding its city centre to fill the Middleway, so there is plenty of room for growth there. It is interesting how the 2 cities are diverging in that respect. In my experience, Brum's suburbs have a much more 'village/town' feel that Manchester & London's.

That's not to say one's better than the other, just different.

I know Manchester & a few of it's suburbs very well Bio, could you tell me which suburbs in Manchester you are referring to?

^^Didsbury springs to mind, and Salford is Canary Wharfesque.

Hang on, think we've gone of track here. The debate was wether or not we had a project/scheme as good or better then the media city. Eastside is.

If that's the case then I agree. I was supporting jrb because what he just said is true.

^^Didsbury springs to mind, and Salford is Canary Wharfesque.

Didsbury = Moseley or Harborne or Hall Green

Salford = Sandwell without a big park but with a ship canal dock area instead.

Bio, have you been to Salford?

WTF?

Didsbury is a notch up from Harborne and Moseley - it is just better developed. Edgaston, if it had a High St, would be similar to Didsbury I reckon.

And yes I have been to Salford thanks. The quays are like Canary Wharf because you have these gleaming new building surrounded by a dump, a bit like Canary Wharf a few years back.

I have also been to many other places in Manchester - why?

One of the reasons I think Mcr is similar to London is that it has areas of bad deprivation not far from affluent parts, and I think the extremes are more prominent that Brum.

Don't try to say that we're the same, because we're not.

http://www.manchesteronline.co.uk/ewm/ic14/87.jpgWTF?

Didsbury is a notch up from Harborne and Moseley - it is just better developed. Edgaston, if it had a High St, would be similar to Didsbury I reckon.

And yes I have been to Salford thanks. The quays are like Canary Wharf because you have these gleaming new building surrounded by a dump, a bit like Canary Wharf a few years back.

I have also been to many other places in Manchester - why?

One of the reasons I think Mcr is similar to London is that it has areas of bad deprivation not far from affluent parts, and I think the extremes are more prominent that Brum.

Post a picture of Moseley now Bio, or do you want me to??

Don't try to say that we're the same, because we're not.

Post a picture of Moseley now Bio, & spot the difference!!!!

You know what FLD, you embarass yourself and those who post in the Brum forum.

I have been to Didsbury, a lot, and I used to live in Harborne and probably go there twice a week, and I KNOW which looks nicer, is better developed. Ask yourself - how many delis are in Harborne? Nice cafes and little bars? Restaurants? No? Thought not.

Any idiot can post a crap picture of somewhere. I suppose you are telling me there's no petrol stations in Birmingham's affluent areas.

hallelujah! :master:

:lol:

Manchester city centre from Salford Quays -

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And an update of CAW's 2005 skyline photo -

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The land between Salford Quays and the city centre is all waiting to be developed one way or another btw and has a metrolink tram line running through too. The distance between Salford Quays and the very centre of the city centre is 1-1.5 miles.

thanks for posting that.. :lol:

^^Didsbury springs to mind, and Salford is Canary Wharfesque.

hae to say that I alos have sppent a litle time in south Man and to be rank... it reminded me of a very posh village area but I didn't really associate it wit Manm.. very stdnt area bt as said.. where n man y fnd hndswth n spsrkbrk.. naer. Msoly is th nxt bg thng fr bnds.. alwys bn thrvn musc arealke min camdn.. bt mre rognial.. Iom, the bnsd hve t rty so mcuh harder!!!!!!!

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Been on the lash again EK?

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Been on the lash again EK?

whre is th SMKLYr fr snrtn cke???? :lol:

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errr, taxi for knob head...

Maybe he was texting into the forum?

errr, taxi for knob head...

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'Lizzy beth couldn't feel her face after the night she had night'

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If that's Tesco then I dare see Matalan!

errr, taxi for knob head...

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Chris Cunnigham's take on it.











I fancy a spell in the brig, just to see what it's like... and so I can get some work done.

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Maybe I'll take that back :)

I prefer this.. a true knob head indeed!!!

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Elizabeth Kinoke, is it true that you are actually a man?

Well that last pictures (s)he posted up had Hairy shoulders...

Elizabeth Kinoke, is it true that you are actually a man?

no

I would just like to point out for any one looking at this thread that the picture of beardy is not me. This is me.. I'm a dancer and I love architecture as thats what my husband is into, I used to use his name on here but he got pissed off so I changed it. LOL

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And this is me :sleepy:

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You should know better not to wind us up in the early hours of the morning ;)

you're a woman too :nocrook:

True.

Just heard about the Super Casino result - here we go again.

I fancy a spell in the brig, just to see what it's like... and so I can get some work done.

Here's your chance B4mmy..

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=11504346#post11504346

(Post 218...quick!) :)

Here's your chance B4mmy..

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=11504346#post11504346

(Post 218...quick!) :)

haha!!!! just missed it.

Anyway isn't it absolutely BRILLIANT that Manchester has defeated the giants of Blackpool and those slippery minnows London in getting the Casino thingamyjig.

ok some stuff i have to say on each city (having been to all of them cept manchester)


Birmingham- great skyline if a bit short, and it just needs to clean its 60's style buildings up (by clean i mean demolish)

Manchester - looks good, great potentiol, skyline looks abit diverse, (not very dense)

leeds- similar to birmingham, a bit less of a skyline but dense not as many 60's monstrositys lol.

liverpool- amazing potential, cleaning itself up very well and has some great projects U/C :) but... demoplish that big brown groundscraper building right in the centre its revolting.

demoplish that big brown groundscraper building right in the centre its revolting.

I agree with that, all of the space is being used I think so they could replace it with an already fully let tall, and it would have to be very tall since the current building is about 76m with a footprint of roughly 8 square miles.

That won't happen though as there are plans to give it an extension and face lift.

I agree with that, all of the space is being used I think so they could replace it with an already fully let tall, and it would have to be very tall since the current building is about 76m with a footprint of roughly 8 square miles.

That won't happen though as there are plans to give it an extension and face lift.

You what?

lmfao! A footprint of 8 square miles?! rofl! omg... i need to change my pants!

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It is about 480,000 sq ft of office space. It's a fat arse bastard.

Brums Post and Mail is 300,000sqft. It covers about 1 acre.

^^*covered.

I think the whole site is just shy of 3 acres is;nt it?

I'm not too sure but the surviving building does cover alot more ground area than the tower did. Is the surviving building set to be replaced as well or don't we know yet?

^^They are moving out once they build their new HQ.

Im just coming here with a few random facts Iv'e met people who have said Birmingham is a big city thats people who have rather lived or been born in Tokyo, and no ofence to any city but apart from B'ham can you really imagine peop,ke from Tokyo saying that about even Manchester city centre?

Fact is in world terms Birmingham is atleast quite big and you can say downtown and it doesnt seem innapropiate, all this slagging of the 60's stlye buildings i would say 80% of the time is mistaked because i can see them as been very retro style and kind of vintage architecture from that era, i dont say they are all so cool but a few like city centre tower when examined it appears to be very slick. We have a downtown just us & London i would argue atleast we can say that nuff said.

]and no ofence to any city but apart from B'ham can you really imagine peop,ke from Tokyo saying that about even Manchester city centre?


Yes.... why not?!

Manchester's is also a huge city! Its not far behind Birmingham realistically atal! population wise* Did you know Manchester actually outperforms Birmingham on several different levels? If if wasn't for the messy boundaries Manchester has had to put up with, Birmingham would have claim to little other than a denser skyline.

Its claimed Manchester is a city of 500,000 yet if this were to be a reasonable statement, a city 500,000 is currently slapping cities of millions plus in the face with hassle offs magic wand, telling them all to play catchup. If you wanted to know, Greater Manchester has a population of around 2.5 million. This would be a more sensible figure, an its more than realistic.

It must be a fact that Manchester has a larger city centre than brum. :yes: That's not to say the city is bigger though. But i think to an outsider, Manchester might *appear* larger.

I am not provoking an argument here because I am not sure of timescales, but certainly in recent history Mcr city centre is considerably larger. How much our Eastside has changed that I am not sure.

Brum is in the process of expanding the city centre and the council has said that the Middleway (our mid-ring road) will become the new boundary. I think that will become official next month when the first phase of the city centre masterplan is revealed. That should more than double Brum's city centre and, according to Martin G, make it the largest in the country.

All we have to do now is move the new signs that the council have just put in, welcoming people to the city centre :bash:

Im rather confused about this masterplan. What are its objectives. Ive heard tiny incey things which just dont make sense.

Will we see specific designated quarters? etc etc.

If I was BCC with so much avaliable space for redvelopment, I would locate a new CBD with a highrise skyline. 8-12 towers 100-200m ;) seperated by a gradual decline of buildings to the old city. Bit like NYC/Manhattan. :lol:

I love to dream. (Just a joke by the way) for those who might get all confused.

Just goes to show what shite borders are when Five Ways isn't considered part of the City Centre, yet Manchester University is. Kind of like the opposite of the city boundaries really.

Hard to define 'city centre' really. Including the whole middleway will include bits of the city that personally, I wouldn't consider city centre, but it's all subjective. Is Aston University 'city centre'? Is Salford Quays? Is the Jewellery Quarter? Is the whole stretch of Oxford Road to Manc Uni?

Fuck knows.

They're both big enough anyhoot. It's a bitch walking from Broad Street to the Custard Factory. Where's our frigging metro?!?! :)

Im rather confused about this masterplan. What are its objectives. Ive heard tiny incey things which just dont make sense.

Will we see specific designated quarters? etc etc.

If I was BCC with so much avaliable space for redvelopment, I would locate a new CBD with a highrise skyline. 8-12 towers 100-200m ;) seperated by a gradual decline of buildings to the old city. Bit like NYC/Manhattan. :lol:

I love to dream. (Just a joke by the way) for those who might get all confused.

I think it is to designate uses (not necessarily quarters), advise what infrastructure and amenities are required, transport, density, single out local characteristics and build on them (figuratively!).

We shall see at MIPIM!

Thanks.

Id say oxford road is very much part of the city center. It does tail off towards the uni though.

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I would say Brum city centre starts at Five Ways and goes SE to Aston Uni, and from Digbeth N to Jewellery Quarter.

Where's our frigging metro?!?! :)

Well £9 billion that could be spent on building metro systems in cities like Birmingham and expanding the ones in cities like Manchester is currently being spent on a 2 week athletics tournament in London.

Sorry!! :nuts:

Well £9 billion that could be spent on expanding metro systems in cities like Birmingham

Totally agree with your point though.

Sorry, but your metro, er, system isn't really... I'll stop there.

You get my point though. A billion pounds given to each of England's core cities (Manchester, Leeds, Liverpool, Birmingham, etc) to spend on mass transit would give such a huge boost to them and the country. But no... London once again...

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Facts & Figures: Tram Facts
The Midland Metro route stretches 20.13 kilometres from Birmingham Snow Hill to Wolverhampton St George's and runs, in the main along the old Great Western Railway route. There is a 2 kilometre section of street running track on the A41 Bilston Road between Priestfield and Wolverhampton and a shared alignment between the Hawthorns and Birmingham Snow Hill.

The trams are powered by 750 volt DC electric current supplied though overhead power cables.

There is a total of 23 stops along the route conveniently located to serve local communities including Handsworth, West Bromwich, Wednesbury and Bilston as well as commuter traffic between Wolverhampton and Birmingham.

Travel Midland Metro has now overcome the initial teething difficulties and regularly returns performance figures between 98.6% and 100% on a monthly basis. These figures make Midland Metro one of the most reliable rail based public transport systems currently operating in the UK.
Here are some more facts:
A fleet of 16 trams run on the route
There are 116 operations staff and 30 engineering staff employed in delivering our service to the public
Fares are collected by our team of Customer Service Representatives and there is a team of Revenue Protection Officers operating on the system during timetable hours. These staff are trained to deliver excellent customer service and ensure your security and safety whilst travelling on the Metro
The 48 Driving staff are fully trained to provide a smooth and safe journey
Each tram has 56 seats and can carry up to 208 passengers
The system is fully Disabled Discrimination Act (DDA) compliant and level boarding means easy access for the disabled, parents with baby buggies and Senior Citizens
Each tram has dedicated space for two wheelchairs
Trams have a maximum speed of 70 kph and can stop, under normal service conditions in 182m
Acceleration of 0-50 kph can be achieved in 10 seconds

Crivens, this is boring stuff init? I think the phase 1 of Manchester has 26 "Light rail vehicles". They're supposed to be extending the Brum on to 5 ways, but dunno when they'll get off their fast bottoms and get a friggin move on with it.

When the government agrees funding, but bearing in mind they are closing everything they can to pay for the Olympics, don't hold your breath.

Naturally, London's transport infrastructure is being improved though, so say thank you.

the Govs reason for renaiging on the deal to finance a Liverpool tram system was that they said the transport authority herer would not agree to accept a capped funding from the gov... £160m I think it was.
Two points.

Merseytravel said that they HAD agreed to the cap... and had worked out the financing package on this assumption.

If only the government had placed such a cap on the Olympic financing.

Every thread seems to end up trash talking other people and other cities, so dont do it on other threads do it here people...

Can we make this into an official sticky?

You better ok this with foxy or Gothic first.

I believe there used to be a sticky thread for this.

btw, all the other cities in the world suck!!! :lol:

Subliving.

Oh it won't be stickied unless the thread was made by Foxy ;).


Sooooo... Birmingham has the most lottery winners in the UK. Glasgow second. Impressive.

There's people that have had big wins on the lottery twice, jammy bastards!

The only problem is, when they win, they move out of the cities! Or sometimes, like in Birmingham, they will buy a huge house on the Four Oaks estate in Sutton Coldfield in Brum. I'd buy an apartment in Brum, seeing as the market seems to be doing a lot better here than in Leeds.

I'd get a place in the city centre and Edgbaston so I could check the view.

Aah, I always forget about Edgbaston. There are some old, gorgeous properties falling into disrepair on Hagley Road in Edgbaston - I would buy one and do it before selling it off again. Some of them real gems that are just being left to rot into a state where they have to be demolished. It's criminal! :ohno:

I'd buy an apartment in Brum, seeing as the market seems to be doing a lot better here than in Leeds.

And yet we have a 171m under construction and fully sold, a host of 100m+ and a 190m in the pipeline. :wink2:

Subliving.

This may get wiggley away from the latest highrise thread.

LEEDS IS SHIT!
LEEDS IS SHIT!
LEEDS IS SHIT!

There are some old, gorgeous properties falling into disrepair on Hagley Road in Edgbaston

I'm looking for a place to develop at the moment. What's the catch?

Leed's isn't at all shit. It's an excellent city and the number of projects that have been coming in recently is quite astonishing. (Especially considering the apartment market in Leeds is meant to have 'crashed' or whatever).

I'm looking for a place to develop at the moment. What's the catch?

There isn't any catches, just a shite load of restrictions and possible problems and annoyances. Calthorpe Estates who own most of the area are strict bastards. It's VERY expensive to invest in the area. etc etc...

I see:)

And yet we have a 171m under construction and fully sold, a host of 100m+ and a 190m in the pipeline. :wink2:

Subliving.

I didn't say Leeds' was bad, I just Brum's was better ;).

Ummm ...

I have jelly beans.

I think this is the most polite thread on the forums! Come on people, stop being nice, let it all out!

Subliving.

I'm a gentleman, a scholar, I'm an acrobat.

How old are you lot?

Are you making judgements because I have Jelly Beans? Foxy. You should no better!

What better two cities to start the city bashing thread than Leeds and Birmingham-The two most depressing, miserable and godforsaken places on our wonderful island.

Only joking chaps, just getting in the spirit of the thread. ;)

So what do you guys think is the most exciting building that is under construction or completed in the country outside of London?

That should get some bashing going with conflicting opinions :).

It's not really about city bashing, just people bashing where clearly theres 3 main offenders. I'm not sure they're as bothered about the cities themselves.

We just passed Leeds on the posts count!! not bashing just info!!not doubt will get loads of people from Leeds now responding to this post saying how much Leeds is better then Sheffield!!:lol:

It's not really about city bashing, just people bashing where clearly theres 3 main offenders. I'm not sure they're as bothered about the cities themselves.

Oh leave it out. If you want to talk about that then do it in PMs or in a separate thread.

I've been screwed by some virus, so I had to get to SSC via a google search.... guess what forum comes second, behind the main SSC home link?

London stinks of rats piss.

FACT

And so does Preston.

Get in there, oh my god this thread is so boring. Hello city bashing, well what I think of other cities in the UK. Birmingham is the best, none of use will ever have anything that can beat Birmingham, skyline wise or project wise. Leeds will not be getting a over 200m tower, ball shit. Liverpool, your skyline sucks at the moment.(wont in the future) and as for Manchester worst city ever. The buildings popping up in Manchester at the moment are just giant box's, and how are the tour buses around the city going. "If you look onto the left this is where two people got shot, if you look on your right this is where the famous Manchester Massacre happened.

Oh and as for Sheffield, Cardiff, Glasgow, Bristol, etc etc....SHIT.

Now lets see if this gets everyone going.;)

All your cities suck - and so does mine.

I think 'Leeds' is a strange name for a big city with it ending in an 's' - it should be renamed Leedston or Leedsville. :baeh3:

I have nothing against Leeds though as I've never set foot in the city limits. :yes:

I have. It's got some excellent Victorian shopping street, and the corn exchange is wonderful.

I was in Manchester today, there's some great brick buildings up sackville street. I did take a picture of CIS little brother, but I've left the camera in the car, so you'll just have to wait for it!

This thread is not going to work, look you all spaming it all up with your manners and what not, lol.

I still hate CIS. It's certainly been improved by the refurb but I can't my head round how people like it, to be honest. It's the ruddy lift shaft that lets it down, in my opinion!

Ok this is how bad it is, what is it?

I think 'Leeds' is a strange name for a big city with it ending in an 's' - it should be renamed Leedston or Leedsville. :baeh3:

I have nothing against Leeds though as I've never set foot in the city limits. :yes:

Actually, that is an interesting point. I've wondered it before..How many other cities end in an 's'? Why does Leeds end in an 's'?

Tadaahh! CIS Tower in Manchester. 118 metres
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yuk, thats a horrible building!

Probably not the best angle, mind.

I think 'Leeds' is a strange name for a big city with it ending in an 's' - it should be renamed Leedston or Leedsville. :baeh3:

I have nothing against Leeds though as I've never set foot in the city limits. :yes:

I also think Leeds is a weird name. Although I quite like it. Its Leeds because it used to be Leodis, then Ledes, then Leedes, then Leeds.

CIS is a horrible building, again, its the lift shaft that makes it a bad building. Not as bad as it used to be though.

I still hate CIS. It's certainly been improved by the refurb but I can't my head round how people like it, to be honest. It's the ruddy lift shaft that lets it down, in my opinion!

Naw,CIS is a 60's classic. 118m of shimmering glass and steel,very chicago,it pisses on that awful alpha tower


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This thread is not going to work, look you all spaming it all up with your manors and what not, lol.

"Manners."

Idiot. :wink2: :cheers:

Subliving.

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Hmm, CIS is very standard. Alpha Tower's unique :yes:. Grade A locally listed - that's effectively statutorily listed. With some sprucing up it could become Grade II listed though.

Leeds - They've got a Harvey Nicks you know! Course you do...it's been on the telly and in every paper every day for 10 years.

Sheffield - The Dull Monty,spartan town centre owing to Meadowhell

Birmingham - Pavements that lead right up to the metal barriers of Beelzebub's own highways.

Manchester - Full of mouthy thieves who claim they invented everything from the colander to the brothers Gibb.

Bristol - getting slaves to build new resi developments

Liverpool - likewise

Hull - the New Jerusalem

I think that's me done. :)

"Manners."

Idiot. :wink2: :cheers:

Subliving.

Oh I am sorry, I am sure that you have never spelt a word wrong in the past. Because you, you prat are perfect.






Nah just kidding, lol

Hmm, CIS is very standard. Alpha Tower's unique :yes:. Grade A locally listed - that's effectively statutorily listed. With some sprucing up it could become Grade II listed though.

CIS is already grade II listed. I agree about alpha needing a spruce up its so shabby on close up.

[QUOTE=oscar9;17544787]Naw,CIS is a 60's classic. 118m of shimmering glass and steel,very chicago,it pisses on that awful alpha tower [QUOTE=oscar9;17544787]


How can you say that, this CIS tower is another typical blocky Manchester building. Alpha is ten times better, and I am sure most people on here would agree... The CIS may piss all over our Alpha but our Alpha shits all over your CIS tower.:gunz:

CIS is already grade II listed. I agree about alpha needing a spruce up its so shabby on close up.

Rotunda is our answer to CIS. Grade II listed and sexy. You don't get many cylindrical 1960s blocks of that height ;).

Amen

yes, because they're not very good erebusoir

A football site I know has renamed Leeds United as Leed United - the singular rather than the plural - because it's not nearly as important as it thinks it is. I wonder if it could catch on for the city...?

Leedester, would be good.

Oh I am sorry, I am sure that you have never spelt a word wrong in the past. Because you, you prat are perfect.

Nah just kidding, lol

I could have fun with this.

Twat.

:cheers:

Subliving.

Hey subliving, trust me when I say this. When I turn against someone, there not going to turn me back, no matter what. So be carfull what you say to me, alright you little fukin wank stain!

yes, because they're not very good erebusoir

Not for offices. That's why the Rotunda failed as an office tower when it was built but it became a local landmark and is now becoming apartments! And they sold in next to no time.

^^ was in keeping wiith the spirit of this thread Erebussy :yes:

this is a shite thread only someone from a disgusting lurid cultural wasteland such as Birmingham could come up with such a thread! :rant:

Hey subliving, trust me when I say this. When I turn against someone, there not going to turn me back, no matter what. So be carfull what you say to me, alright you little fukin wank stane!

'stain' ;)

And yeah, I don't like CIS. :dunno:

I like it, quite a lot actually.

Me too.

Me too.

Only because it's got solar panels! ;)

Not the big CIS building silly, the little one!

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ooh look! little Windmills! :happy:

Our little CIS has more fans than Citeh!

Manchester City? Woo! it's on topic, City bashing, What are the chances!

i don't like the look of coronation street :bash:

see i can city bash too :yes:

Our little CIS has more fans than Citeh!

Ooooooooh, you bitch! :lol:

i don't like the look of coronation street :bash:

see i can city bash too :yes:

no you can't

i don't like the look of coronation street :bash:

see i can city bash too :yes:

what about emmerdale? :nuts: u cant beat the urbanity of emmerdale :)

i don't like the look of coronation street :bash:

see i can city bash too :yes:

Well, I love the look of Coronation Street, you motherf****r. :mad:

I especially like the look of Betty's Hotpot. :drool:

no you can't

Bristol is pretty crappy too but then again you agree :yes:

i have to say all the other cities like Leeds, Manchester, Brum, Liverpool are generally rather similar even tho they are trying to become more individual nowadays, none really stands out too much, i can't tell the difference from Brum's back end to Manc's behind. Liverpool has the CofC thing this year which will help i guess, but meh all pretty rubbish and the petty arguements of which city has the bigger so and so is laughable :lol: its still all very grim. manchester needs to get its head out of its own a*$e, Brum needs to wake up and clean its streets and buildings, Leeds.... well errm clean up those students, Liverpool; 2 new buildings don't make a city great and Glasgow errm i want my wallet back. oh and not forgetting sheffield, ur too small to be included.

;)

what about emmerdale? :nuts: u cant beat the urbanity of emmerdale :)

well the street look similar to alot of houses in manchester and they make me feel like :puke:

Emmerdale looks class :yes:

but hey no niceness in this thread :nono:

Bristol is pretty crappy too but then again you agree :yes:

i have to say all the other cities like Leeds, Manchester, Brum, Liverpool are generally rather similar even tho they are trying to become more individual nowadays, none really stands out too much. Liverpool has the CofC thing this year which will help i guess, but meh all pretty rubbish and the petty arguements of which city has the bigger so and so is laughable :lol: its still all very grim. manchester needs to get its head out of its own a*$e, Brum needs to wake up and clean its streets and buildings, Leeds.... well errm clean up those students, Liverpool; 2 new buildings don't make a city great and Glasgow errm i want my wallet back. oh and not forgetting sheffield, ur too small to be included.

;)


London is even more crappy :tongue:
and when have i ever agreed to that? :sly:

Manchester apart from the city centre is one big council estate, :yes:

London is even more crappy :tongue:
and when have i ever agreed to that? :sly:

Manchester apart from the city centre is one big council estate, :yes:

well i had to get with the festivities :yes:

most of those cities are just concrete cack :bowtie:

Bristol is pretty crappy too but then again you agree :yes:

i have to say all the other cities like Leeds, Manchester, Brum, Liverpool are generally rather similar even tho they are trying to become more individual nowadays, none really stands out too much, i can't tell the difference from Brum's back end to Manc's behind. Liverpool has the CofC thing this year which will help i guess, but meh all pretty rubbish and the petty arguements of which city has the bigger so and so is laughable :lol: its still all very grim. manchester needs to get its head out of its own a*$e, Brum needs to wake up and clean its streets and buildings, Leeds.... well errm clean up those students, Liverpool; 2 new buildings don't make a city great and Glasgow errm i want my wallet back. oh and not forgetting sheffield, ur too small to be included.

;)

But are they actually trying to become more individual? I mean, yes they claim that, and they want to be individual, but they're all doing it the same way. By creating landmark skylines (most of which are dominated by concrete blocks and Ian Simpson stuff), with gentrified shopping and apartments. The only difference is presentation, but then this isn't so obvious in many cities (Birmingham/Manchester have their big central malls). ie designer shops presented in the arcades mainly in Leeds, but other styles in other cities. So how do cities actually become individual? I think with something that really is different- e.g canals=Venice (ok Birmingham says it has more but how many people know Birmingham for its canals..).

well i had to get with the festivities :yes:

most of those cities are just concrete cack :bowtie:

indeed they are! ('cept Bristol which by the way is far far better than that ex coal village known as Cardiff,) including shitty london :banana:

ItsAllGud i think u've hit the nail on the head :) i think the problem is that statistically there's a high proportion of people with no qualifications in many uk cities. This is particularly true for (greater)glasgow, (merseyside)liverpool, (greater)manchester, and Brum. It must have an effect I think.

:horse:

indeed they are! ('cept Bristol which by the way is far far better than that ex coal village known as Cardiff,) including shitty london :banana:

You take that back! :bash: London is perfect!! now repeat that to yourself over and over again :evil:

ItsAllGud i think u've hit the nail on the head :) i think the problem is that statistically there's a high proportion of people with no qualifications in many uk cities. This is particularly true for (greater)glasgow, (merseyside)liverpool, (greater)manchester, and Brum. It must have an effect I think.

:horse:

That's it wiggely, get into the spirit of the thread. ;)

London is the capital of the world :)

I'd move back home to london, but I wouldnt be able to have the same great lifestyle that you can have in northern cities. If i lived back in london i wouldnt wanna live in greater london, i'd want something comparable to leeds, bang in the city centre right in the centre of it all, and you have to be a millionaire to do that in london.

Bristol is pretty crappy too but then again you agree :yes:

i have to say all the other cities like Leeds, Manchester, Brum, Liverpool are generally rather similar even tho they are trying to become more individual nowadays, none really stands out too much, i can't tell the difference from Brum's back end to Manc's behind. Liverpool has the CofC thing this year which will help i guess, but meh all pretty rubbish and the petty arguements of which city has the bigger so and so is laughable :lol: its still all very grim. manchester needs to get its head out of its own a*$e, Brum needs to wake up and clean its streets and buildings, Leeds.... well errm clean up those students, Liverpool; 2 new buildings don't make a city great and Glasgow errm i want my wallet back. oh and not forgetting sheffield, ur too small to be included.

;)

last person i heard talk out of their arse that well was Ace Ventura ;) Liverpool is nothing like them, and which 2 buildings are you talking about ?

That's it wiggely, get into the spirit of the thread. ;)

;)

Hmm, CIS is very standard. Alpha Tower's unique :yes:. Grade A locally listed - that's effectively statutorily listed. With some sprucing up it could become Grade II listed though.

Well, I guess we cant blame them for clutching at straws when it comes to listing Birmingham buildings. It isn't exactly a worthy bunch.

London is the capital of the world :)

I'd move back home to london, but I wouldnt be able to have the same great lifestyle that you can have in northern cities. If i lived back in london i wouldnt wanna live in greater london, i'd want something comparable to leeds, bang in the city centre right in the centre of it all, and you have to be a millionaire to do that in london.

Not really..im not a millionaire :D

i love the big open spaces and parks that surround me with everything that London has to offer so close by.


@Butters don't think i forgot about you >(
you don't want me to shove those words down your throat now do u?

last person i heard talk out of their arse that well was Ace Ventura ;) Liverpool is nothing like them, and which 2 buildings are you talking about ?

:lol: i was just clutching at straws in that post, since Helium forced me to :tongue:

You take that back! :bash: London is perfect!! now repeat that to yourself over and over again :evil:

no, because it has lost its' soul :yes: the fact that large swathes (very large compared to other mega cities) of the centre are too touristy and londoners, the city's own locals, dont like going there are a testiment to the fact :nono:

plus for what is one of the most expensive cities to live in you get a shitty deal out of it all, plus londoners have few friends because you're all an unfriendly bunch who hate each other (its that afwulf cockney accent you all have) so you have to move to places far a-field to get away from one another (you still work in Laaahhhnndn though) but the people in the places you move to don't like you either for so many reasons it would require a huge library to list them all :yes:


(i wuv you and you wittle wundunurzzz really :lovethem:)

:lol: i was just clutching at straws in that post, since Helium forced me to :tongue:

he's a nasty sort that helium bloke :lol:

in leeds (or manchester or liverpool) you can have a trendy city centre pad, on a water or riverfront, a few minutes walk from a bustling financial district for work, pretty much all the shops you could ever want, and a great vibrant nightlife on your doorstep. On top of that, a high concentration of students (especially so for leeds & manchester) gives the place a real fresh vibe. A funky appartment around totenham court road would cost millions, and you'd still have to take a tube to get to work, and need taxis to get to places within the central core. You'd have to earn so much, that you'd never have time to enjoy yourself anyway. :P

i love the big open spaces and parks that surround me with everything that London has to offer so close by.


But you can't get in or out of London - once in London you are stuck! I like a city you can trot in and out of easily and park your car - not have to faff around on trains and tubes and stuff. :bash: (Although I always enjoy the tube thingy when I'm on it ;))

I like the look of Liverpool with the Mersey setting but the Scouse accent really should be toned down a notch. :puke:

the scouse accent is one thing that made me consider going to liverpool uni :)

me... shallow & superficial ? naaah course no? :P

oh you provincial lot, what do you know :nuts:

boa noite guys :wave:

Say what you want about your Manchester, your Leeds, your Glasgow, your Liverpool and your Birmingham. You can't beat Stoke!

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i like bristol coz its pretty

oh you provincial lot, what do you know :nuts:

boa noite guys :wave:

see that banner? its paris, and look, it kicks londres arse :baeh3:

do you prefer bradford or stoke?

see that banner? its paris, and look, it kicks londres arse :baeh3:

i found paris rather boring tbh :baeh3: oops im gone!

ItsAllGud i think u've hit the nail on the head :) i think the problem is that statistically there's a high proportion of people with no qualifications in many uk cities. This is particularly true for (greater)glasgow, (merseyside)liverpool, (greater)manchester, and Brum. It must have an effect I think.



Lets not forget Leeds where 31% of people aged 16-74 have no qualifications ( source; ONS ). That a high enough percentage for you?

Everyone here knows you want to move back to London but can't afford it, that's why you spend so much time here trying to make out Leeds is great:lol:

Into the breach:horse: