Rebar has hit street level. By the spring this thing should finally start making an impact on the area.

Is it visible from street level? I would assume that you've seen it so it must be right.

Not visable from the street. Its only a few feet above street level so the hoarding is blocking it. It can be seen by looking through the holes they cut in the hoarding.

That is sort of what I thought you ment. Hopefully I will get a digital camera for christmas so I can get some pics of it.

Homer,

Didja get the camera?

I didn't get the camera.


I got something else instead that I wanted just as much. The only thing about it that I don't like is that it won't take pictures. ;)

Darn! (well, for us, anyway).

the first tower is 52 stories and 505 ft
how tall is the 45 storey tower 450?

^Probably around 430 ft.

Do we have a dedicated RoCP update thread? I couldn't find one but I remember Taller and KGB had some updates in the past. Simulpost in News & Developments!

Jan.24.2006
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http://static.flickr.com/13/90883935_5d961fe044_o.jpg

Way to go Skybean. Great photos.

How did you sneak up on the roof of the Delta Chelsea?

Man, those are amazing pix!! Keep 'em coming!!!!!!!
Looks to me like they are working on the 37th floor..

RoCP's lookin' good. :okay:

And it's quite a nice contrast against the MacLean-Hunter building.

call me stupid, but how much taller is this baby going to get?

^^52 stories and 154m

dope-ass

wait. what is rocp?

wait. what is rocp?
Acronym - (RoCP) Residences of College Park.

oh right. how could i forget that haha.

Jan 27, 2006

http://static.flickr.com/39/92248630_40f49fecba_b.jpg

Jan 27, 2006

http://static.flickr.com/39/92248630_40f49fecba_b.jpg

How much further does it have to go??

15 or so floors.

The cladding/curtainwall stops at 29 floors in this shot. With apologies to the photographer, here's a quicky look at the same shot with 52 floors (forgive the crap perspective), as if still working on the roof elements.

Never seen a 500 footer look so tall.


http://www.upside-down.ca/sdphotos/ROCPtop.jpg

Nice

Great work elliot. You are right, it does look very tall.

Nice work, that really puts it into perspective how tall RoCP will really compared to the other buildings be when it's complete.

Nice work, that is gonna stand out.

The cladding/curtainwall stops at 29 floors in this shot. With apologies to the photographer, here's a quicky look at the same shot with 52 floors (forgive the crap perspective), as if still working on the roof elements.

Never seen a 500 footer look so tall.


http://www.upside-down.ca/sdphotos/ROCPtop.jpg

Holy shit that thing is Ginormous!! :eek2:

I love it, looks great.

Just think, it will also have a neighbour only 7 storeys shorter.

looks good

GREAT IDEA!!! Amazing........
Weirdly, one day a week ago when I was walking past this project,
I counted floors, and with the use of my fingers tried to envision
the completed height of the project.
May I say this rendering is much more effective?? :okay:

OMG I honestly thought it was edited to like 100 storeys.... why does it look so wonderfully tall?! I never cared for this development and all of a sudden I LOVE IT! :D:D:D

It doesnt look like i thought it would...it looks like it belongs in City place! but still an amazing looking tower!

And I'm hoping for an even taller Phase 3! :yes:

It wont look that tall, since the upper floors will appear to be smaller due to the longer distance. But is is a very nice building.

Peter K

It wont look that tall, since the upper floors will appear to be smaller due to the longer distance. But is is a very nice building.

Peter K

I think you are referring to perspective, and you are correct that the real
thing will look slightly smaller at the top.... but it will not look shorter. If
anything the reduced size at the top will make it appear higher, further
away.
Bay St is becoming very dense - a very pleasurable canyon. I am more
than pleased to have all those thousands of people move into the downtown
strip! :cheers:

Taller, better: It wont be as tall as on the picure. Since the upper floors are further away, the whole building will be smaller than on that edited picture. And yes indeed, it is nice with all the development on Bay St.

Peter K

^ I understand what you mean, but perspective gives the impression that something is far away. Michelangelo used to play with perspective, and once designed a grand staircase to have an artificial "perspective" by making the top smaller than the bottom, thus giving the illusion that it was a taller staircase than it was. :)

Jesu christo gyseppe maria....

I apologized for the crap perspective. I can't believe the "glass is half full" comments from some folk.

Here's some friggin' perspective. The glass still look more than half full to me.



http://www.upside-down.ca/sdphotos/r2.jpg

LOL! Unbelievably you have made it even BETTER! That is just amazing, Elliot.
Well Done!!!!!

"Jesu christo gyseppe maria...."

Yeah - as if perspective changes anything - we are talking about a few feet in distance, not kilometres

Valentino: We are talking hundreds of feet (since the building is around 500 ft), but let us just change the topic.

It looks good and I am not trying to be negative or anything like that. All that
I meant was that...No...Nevermind. Let's just wait and see this beauty rise.

Peter K

^
Sorry, you're just plain wrong. There was only about 150feet added to the tower in that image so it's definitely not 100s of feet off.

Given the angle/perspective of the photo, lense on the camera and other small details, I'd say he has it within 3-5 floors of accuracy, if not less. What you see there is very close to how tall it will be. In the end it may "look" taller or shorter than that image, but that'll be based on how dark or light the colours are at the top as well as how noticeable the tapering and setbacks are up there.

" I'd say he has it within 3-5 floors of accuracy, if not less"

I'd say a storey, if not less

That is an incredible shot. I can't believe that it will be that tall when it's done. It'll look really thin when its done.

What's with all the haters though?

That is an incredible shot. I can't believe that it will be that tall when it's done. It'll look really thin when its done.

What's with all the haters though?

Did I miss something? Who hates it? :dunno:

43 Storeys so only 9 more to go! The tower si really starting to look better and better as its getting taller, the lighter blue setback effect looks nice and I can't wait to see how this baby tops off.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Switzer/a699e76b.jpg
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Travis why did you have to be so damn young...? Think of the babies we coulda' had.
My dream woman.

P.S. as always. thanx for the pics.

Thanks for the pics. I like this project, it really lives up to its promise. The first tower isn't even done but it already has some dignity to it. I hope ROCP 3 isn't some dinky midrise.

Phase III has been announced - does anyone know what Phase III is???

The building now has a huge 10 story high banner hanging off the North side of the building promoting the next phase. Any renders?

Travis why did you have to be so damn young...? Think of the babies we coulda' had.
My dream woman.

P.S. as always. thanx for the pics.

Oh...elliot you sexy beast!

LMAOOOOOO>>> :cheers:

Phase III has been announced - does anyone know what Phase III is?
Sure they're not talking about the town homes or something?

The third/fourth towers are probably a couple of years away from being ready for marketing yet. I hope they are anyway, otherwise we will get a verbatim copy of the first two towers with a little bit of additional height.

There is a big banner on the first phase of ROCP advertising phase III. There are no townhomes as apart of this project.

Actually, this is probably a good time to get phase III rolling....I and II are well u/c and probably well sold. It's time to start getting pre-registration for the next one. Even if there are plenty units left to sell in I and II, there are always lots of people who want units that can be moved into soon, who really don't interfere much with buyers for phase III, which has an occupancy date years in the future.

It would be nice if they opt for one really big tower, but I suppose there's always the possibility of twin towers. But I think one tower will get us at least another 50-storey building.






KGB

im hopping for a 60 storey^but definately wouldnt mind a 50

^^ So you think it's ganna be tall? I was thinking along the lines of 30's.

^ I understand what you mean, but perspective gives the impression that something is far away. Michelangelo used to play with perspective, and once designed a grand staircase to have an artificial "perspective" by making the top smaller than the bottom, thus giving the illusion that it was a taller staircase than it was. :)
Mississauga City Hall uses that very technique for their "Grand Staircase" - check it out some time.

they have a huge amount of density for that site and the city likes point towers

^^ So you think it's ganna be tall? I was thinking along the lines of 30's.

Not at Yonge and Gerrard. This tower I can see being a minimum 50 stories. A tower with a nice spire at the top would look amazing at this site.

There is a big banner on the first phase of ROCP advertising phase III. There are no townhomes as apart of this project.
There are several townhomes between the two towers on Bay and College Park.

Anyway, phase III is definitely a condo building though the people in the sales office were unable to give me a height.

"So you think it's ganna be tall? I was thinking along the lines of 30's"

not a chance

The zoning allows for a development the size of RoCP I&II (and they have applied for more) Every failed proposal I've seen for that lot (in which there are plenty) is over 40 storeys

If it's Yonge Gerard - I can't see them being too tall - remember College Park and shadows!

The tallest I bet would go right next to the Original Collage Park building .

One of the construction workers took their lunch at the Subway next door to the construction site about a month ago. She was talking with the employees and some of us customers were intrigued by what she was saying about the buildings. During this chat, she mentioned a third tower was going up. She said it would be around 70 stories! I asked her 'where?' but she was unsure herself, so it's unclear if that third tower is actually one of the ROCP towers.

Hopefully...

Do not tease me! 70 stories? I really hope this happens.

Realistically, for the sake of looks, the third tower should either be shorter than the others, or taller. I vote for taller.

"for the sake of looks, the third tower should either be shorter than the others, or taller. I vote for taller."

only if the tower has the same design otherwise I don't think it matters. Personally, I'd wish for a different design over anything else

"She said it would be around 70 stories!"

possible if going for one tower on a mid to highrise podium

"She said it would be around 70 stories!"

possible if going for one tower on a mid to highrise podium
Possible, but construction worker contracts are usually based on feelers put out by a developer to a contractor for pricing, the boss asking staff about any complications they see, and finally the rumour mill feeding that information to the bottom.

Many in my family are in construction (crane operators and the like), and have quickly realized that 75% of the "knowledge" they possess about upcoming projects is exagerated, outright incorrect, or changed by the time it is built.

In short, construction workers can be an unreliable source of information even for projects they are currently building. They'll see a partial plan, like the area being graded and turn Vaughn Mills into the worlds largest mall as a result.


I'm not saying 70 storeys isn't possible but it is far more likely that this is what the application to the city contained with the expectation that it will be chopped down by 5 to 10 floors.

One of the construction workers took their lunch at the Subway next door to the construction site about a month ago. She was talking with the employees and some of us customers were intrigued by what she was saying about the buildings. During this chat, she mentioned a third tower was going up. She said it would be around 70 stories! I asked her 'where?' but she was unsure herself, so it's unclear if that third tower is actually one of the ROCP towers.

Hopefully...

70 stories? wow
I hope there is some validity to what she said!
At 70 story's, and using the same floor heights as ROCP 1 then it would be around 211m tall! And thats abit taller then Shangri-la and the estimated height of the BA east tower.

Its common knowledge that phase three is Gerrard and Yonge. If the person is saying 70 floors yet she doesn't know the location I'd say she has no clue about anything.

"Many in my family are in construction (crane operators and the like), and have quickly realized that 75% of the "knowledge" they possess about upcoming projects is exagerated, outright incorrect, or changed by the time it is built. In short, construction workers can be an unreliable source of information even for projects they are currently building."



That's been my experience as well. I work a lot with the trades on construction sites, and "information" is abundant....but it's never official...but through the grapevine. Some of it might be right on...or completely BS. And you don't know which is which. The only thing a tradesman working on a project really knows, is whatever their actual job they were hired to do involves.






KGB

Its common knowledge that phase three is Gerrard and Yonge. If the person is saying 70 floors yet she doesn't know the location I'd say she has no clue about anything.

Yes, this is possible.



In short, construction workers can be an unreliable source of information even for projects they are currently building.



This is also true. I debated whether I should mention anything to everyone here, since what she said was clearly heresay, but, I figured maybe it would be worth mentioning since she also went on to quote the heights of the first two towers (which was correct) as well as the fact that she was working on the project herself.

Next to that, I thought it was kinda cool she was a she!

Ah.... there's the rub.

The only thing a tradesman working on a project really knows, is whatever their actual job they were hired to do involves.

Considering the poor workmanship on some projects I'd doubt that as well.

ohwell....despite anything we can still all hope that what the worker said is true. I certianly am!! 70 stories, or 211 m using the same floor height as ROCP1!!

Considering the poor workmanship on some projects I'd doubt that as well.

I wouldn't generalize like that Ed, that hurt.

Hey, if we all hop up and down on one foot, cross our fingers, fart and hope at the same time, we might be able to make this thing 80 floors. Let's syncronize our watches... ...and go :runaway:

Hey, if we all hop up and down on one foot, cross our fingers, fart and hope at the same time, we might be able to make this thing 80 floors. Let's syncronize our watches... ...and go :runaway:

Is it working?! Is it working?!

Ive been crossing my fingers, farting, hoping and hopping on one foot for the last couple hours now...nothing seems to be happening..argh!

Yes! We have 80 floors!!

Quick, let's go try this on another thread.

All I can say is that Phase 1 already looks bloody tall- I was at College Park on the weekend and noticed how fast this building has grown since I last walked past a month or so ago and its going to grow more...

p5

how may floors are left to go?

I think about five.

i think they are at the 49 th floor

How tall is this exactly and I think Quantum two is higher than this.

Quantum is higher but only slightly.

Quantum is higher but only slightly.
Quantum is significantly higher than ROCP if you compare to sea level, perhaps even higher than FCP?

I think the guys were talking about the height of the buildings and not some strange scenerio of including sea level which makes no sense whatsoever.

College Park better location than Quantum.Plus its up now,Maybe in a year or two we can discuss this...............Enjoy

Quantum is significantly higher than ROCP if you compare to sea level, perhaps even higher than FCP?

wha...uh huh... :weirdo:

I think the guys were talking about the height of the buildings and not some strange scenerio of including sea level which makes no sense whatsoever.
No sense?

Depends on what you like to photograph. For those long distance skyline shots of Yonge Street, Eglinton and Yonge may well be the focal point (tallest point) after these buildings complete with downtown as a secondary cluster.

No sense?

Depends on what you like to photograph. For those long distance skyline shots of Yonge Street, Eglinton and Yonge may well be the focal point (tallest point) after these buildings complete with downtown as a secondary cluster.

I have no doubt that that's true. Still, it was pretty funny what tkip said.

43 Storeys so only 9 more to go! The tower si really starting to look better and better as its getting taller, the lighter blue setback effect looks nice and I can't wait to see how this baby tops off.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Switzer/a699e76b.jpg
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Gorgeous, clear photos.

-thryve

Quantum is significantly higher than ROCP if you compare to sea level, perhaps even higher than FCP?


--- I think that's true - Quantum is going to be TALL - because of the height of the hill - it will be one of the tallest structures in the region. I've heard that it will be on par with the skydeck of the cn tower - regardless it will have some of the most amazing views of the city.

If you really want to know the answer install Google Earth - when you move the mouse around it will give you the sea level based ground elevations for the area.

"I've heard that it will be on par with the skydeck of the cn tower"

I doubt that

only a 30m difference in gradient between the harbour and Bloor so I'd say 100m at the most between CN and Quantum

I've heard it will go half way to the moon!!! Can we off this lame ass topic?

How about that 70 storey ROCP3? That would be awesome.

http://static.flickr.com/46/137946991_d24ed4ad30_b.jpg

Great pic.

"Can we off this lame ass topic?"

I doubt geodesic datum will be as 'lame' in another 50 years when the melting polar ice has raised sea level 20 to 30 feet

But that wont effect Toronto. Anywho, only a few more floors to go. I'm anxiously awaiting for them to start cladding the top. That will determine the success of the building.

I was at city hall yesterday because there was this big religious parade going on (about 80,000 people) and i say ROCP and it look very tall and nice from that viewpoint.

How about that 70 storey ROCP3? That would be awesome.

There is a banner up on the building talking about pre-registration for phase 3.

What a bummer if it turns out to be some stinking little 50 storey condo! :)

There is a banner up on the building talking about pre-registration for phase 3.

What a bummer if it turns out to be some stinking little 50 storey condo! :)

well...while i dont expect them to build something 70 stories..ill be happy if we atleast get another 500 footer our of it.

I was at city hall yesterday because there was this big religious parade going on (about 80,000 people) and i say ROCP and it look very tall and nice from that viewpoint.

It certainly is. I can see the top 3 stories from my apartment balcony:

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1614/adowntownview9rj.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

over the summer will be a hot time for construction in that area, as well as the rest of the city, with Murano I&II to the North (currently still in excavation), RoCP I&II to the South, the Met (constructing pretty quickly & perhaps Encore will start) to the East,

RoCP from Panorama
http://static.flickr.com/55/143793302_ec1e2ee457_b.jpg

Left
http://static.flickr.com/56/143793357_8eb4334413_b.jpg

Great pics:D:D

And look at Spire!

awesome pix skybean :)

Looking down at RoCP from Bay/Bloor is really something. It's making quite a dent and it still has some more floors to go. Anyone know how many floors are left??

Regan

I think there are two floors left.

April 19, 2006
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I was on the Gardiner yesterday and I could see it sticking out. Pretty cool. Also, spire is getting very tall.

Awesome pic SkyBean :)

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/4656/pict59314xe.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

The size of ROCP really is something... I mean it's just a bit over 500 ft yet it feels so tall.. Now imagine when BA, Shangri La and TRUMP!!! Go up.. the height will be incredible to look at!

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it definitely towers

http://static.flickr.com/53/128261018_fbb9212f97_b.jpg

I used to wake up to that view

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Anyone know how far along ROCP 2 is?

Here's a shot showing The Met as well.....



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KGB

I hear there is another floor going up? or is it 'topped'?

I'm not positive but I think they're on the last floor now and then there's just mechanical to work on.

From the looks of it, they are slowly coming to the top, but i still think they have some pouring to do- a couple more floors and it should be done!

Crazy how when you look at it from a distance that it seems so-so tall, but once you stand at its base, you feel like its a lot taller than it really is.

Nice- thanks for posting the picts.

p5

Anyone know how far along ROCP 2 is?

Floor 1 or 2, it's hard to tell from the hoarding. But it has broken street level.

cool thats means they will rise up fast.

I heard there is a ROCP 3?? Is this true?

Just take a look at the massive banner in KGB's third pic.

in the planning stages still???

or is there a height and location??

^^Just a location - parking lot on NW corner of Yonge & Gerrard

A great vantage point to view RoCP would be on Bloor Street across from Varsity Stadium. It stands out from the rest of the skyline and it just totally dominates everything, the massing and height looks huge from there.

I can't wait to see everything topped off!

in the planning stages still???

or is there a height and location??
...some rumours have the building at around 70 floors

...some rumours have the building at around 70 floors


SWEETTTTTTTTTTTT

doubt city hall would let that go

doubt city hall would let that go

Don't pee on the campfire!

We agreed earlier that it would be 80 storeys.

doubt city hall would let that go

I don't think the site shadows anything for the NIMBY's to whine about, and per Valentino, the site has the zoning density for a really tall tower. I'm bettting 70 to 80 floor range. :)

I'm going to up the ante to 100 floors.

The first photo in KGB's pics looks like it was taken from Granby St. In my opinion, this is the best view of the building that I've seen so far. From Church St. looking west on Granby, and at NIGHT time, this building stands out like the Empire State Building in New York... that is without the mast, of course.

:)

College Park Three This information may be reviewed by all persons, regardless of wrist-stiffness.

60 stories, 20 storeys and 10 storey podium.

I'll tell you straight up that some of you folks could show a bit more class than you've shown. Some of you don't have it at all of course.

Your stupid one-line responses to an important discussion don't do any damage, they just reinforce how little you have to say.

Not one one of you agreed that the other thread was hijacked and spoke up about it... simply put, it's not worth the work to draw and type in this Toronto forum.

As for project news, you don't need "experience" to provide information, just common sense and a telephone. Rumours are fun to a point but facts are more interesting. So here's a parting gift, a piece of candy if you will, from me to the forumers who contribute more than one-liners.

60 stories, 20 storeys and 10 storey podium.



I am the Planner working on the development application for 444 Yonge Street, specifically the Yonge-Gerrard lands.

A Revised Preliminary and Status Report will be considered at the June 13th Toronto & East York Community Council meeting. This report discusses the revised proposal for the Yonge-Gerrard lands, which is as follows:

The proposal is for a mixed commercial and residential development, consisting of two residential buildings, one 50-storey tower on Yonge Street and a second 10-storey building on Gerrard Street West, both above a 10-storey podium that extends over the entire parcel. Overall, the two proposed buildings are 60-storeys (196m) and 20-storeys (75m).

The proposal has a gross floor area of 127,140 m2, of which 29,585 m2 is for above-grade parking; 83,610 m2 for residential area; and 12,330 m2 for retail space.

The following link is to the Toronto & East York Community Council Agendas. The Agenda for June 13, 2006 has not yet been posted, however, if you check next week you should be able to access the Report I refer to above. If not, please contact me and I will mail you a copy once the Agenda is available to the public.

Should you have any other questions, please feel free to contact me.

Regards,

Kelly

frigan awsome, so i guess they are using the Anti-NIMBY tactic hehe. 70 story's and 196m!!! I cant wait to see the design for this thing.
Thnx for the info Elliot.

^ 60 Storeys, not 70.

^ 60 Storeys, not 70.

60 story's with a 10 story podium...which makes 70 does it not? A trick to keep the NIMBY's away. Unless they mean 60 including the podium...im confused.

[QUOTE=elliot]College Park Three This information may be reviewed by all persons, regardless of wrist-stiffness.

QUOTE]

Thanks!!! I had just finished taping popsicle sticks to my wrists to please a
certain out-of-town forumer with a split personality! LOL!
This is AMAZING news and cannot wait to see a rendering.
BUT, I don't like the ominous sound of "parting gift".. don't say you are
bowing out of the forums, elliot...

I just hope it looks different then ROCP 1 and 2. Either way, it will dwarf ROCP 1!!

60 story's with a 10 story podium...which makes 70 does it not? A trick to keep the NIMBY's away. Unless they mean 60 including the podium...im confused.

no-no.. read the msg to Elliot again:

"The proposal is for a mixed commercial and residential development, consisting of two residential buildings, one 50-storey tower on Yonge Street and a second 10-storey building on Gerrard Street West, both above a 10-storey podium that extends over the entire parcel. Overall, the two proposed buildings are 60-storeys (196m) and 20-storeys (75m)."

hmmm .... 60 storeys ... not bad

don't go Elliot

what a great day

^^
Rudy, I'll hang around the main forum, but only if you fax me a full colour render of the 1000 footer at Wellington and University... actually b/w is ok too.

Do it Rudy... can't lose elliot!!!!!!!!!! :cucumber:

The higher this one goes, the higher they will have to make Pinnacle to
keep it the highest in the city..

Is Pinnacle striving for the tallest? I knew they had one that was in the 55-65s range but didn't realize they were actually going for the tallest.

It'll be interesting to see how they make a 50 storey and 10 storey building match each other without looking rediculous. Add to that a 10 storey podium.

Is Pinnacle striving for the tallest? I knew they had one that was in the 55-65s range but didn't realize they were actually going for the tallest.

It'll be interesting to see how they make a 50 storey and 10 storey building match each other without looking rediculous. Add to that a 10 storey podium.

That was total rumour mill that I heard, mixed with wishful thinking on my part. Mea culpa.

I just hope it looks different then ROCP 1 and 2. Either way, it will dwarf ROCP 1!!

8 floors higher the ROCP 1 hardly dwarfs it. Nice find Elliot.

Is Pinnacle striving for the tallest? I knew they had one that was in the 55-65s range but didn't realize they were actually going for the tallest.

It'll be interesting to see how they make a 50 storey and 10 storey building match each other without looking rediculous. Add to that a 10 storey podium.

Indeed. Unless they set the tower far enough back that it appears to be a separate building at street level.

[QUOTE=elliot]College Park Three This information may be reviewed by all persons, regardless of wrist-stiffness.

QUOTE]

Thanks!!! I had just finished taping popsicle sticks to my wrists to please a
certain out-of-town forumer with a split personality! LOL!
This is AMAZING news and cannot wait to see a rendering.
BUT, I don't like the ominous sound of "parting gift".. don't say you are
bowing out of the forums, elliot...
Is this a shot at me? Oh, TB, I thought we made up? Well I can let things go. Have a banana :banana2:

The comercial componant might ballance these two towers out. 75m and 196m. Together with the other two UC towers, I think it will have a nice ballance.

Re the following quotes by 3Dementia before he posted the ROCP planners letter;

"This information may be reviewed by all persons, regardless of wrist-stiffness.

You don't need "experience" to provide information, just common sense and a telephone. Rumours are fun to a point but facts are more interesting. ;-) "


It is obvious from the above quotes that some members of UTF have an axe to grind with me.

Let me just set the record straight. I know I may have upset some people with my "limp wristed comment' but it was made in reference to the countless off topic homosexual innuendos being made on UTF threads. This IS a statement of fact whether you like it or not.

The real issue at the nub of the whole sad affair was the imposition of fascist censorship by a certain moderator just because he was being out debated, and the subsequent lack of moral courage exhibited by the administrator of said forum regarding that censorship.

With respect to my "experience" I have never claimed to be a see all and know all. Frankly I have very little time to read forums (and I troll several diverse ones) never mind post on them. I work 60-65 hours a week running a 20 million dollar landscape company and quite frankly have very little time for forum type recreational actives.

I use V of E simply because of my age, most certainly the oldest member on these forums, and due to the fact that because of my background in the industry I personally know a great many architects, developers, builders, and executives of fortune 500 companies.

There are many excellent contributors to these forums, of all ages. from all walks of life. One example would be Mr. Man, now I believe residing in Talahassie FL, who when he was in T.O. would constantly furnish forum members with titbits of information from the latest planning reports and such. There are others like him and that is what makes forums like these usually interesting sites to visit.

So now lets get some "common sense" and move on.

P.S.
I would like to apolgise for the error in my initial report on Shangri-La. I stated the height would be 750ft. I took this from the rendering, done along with the Shangri-La Miami and Shangri-La London ones, which I got from my friend at Westbank last September. It was a missprint. Chen told me in Miami last week it should have read 705ft not 750ft.

Well said. I know I appreciate your experience here. And don't mind Elliot, he's just a very unhappy person.

Do it Rudy... can't lose elliot!!!!!!!!!! :cucumber:

The higher this one goes, the higher they will have to make Pinnacle to
keep it the highest in the city..

IM totaly confused about what your talking about.
Do you mean highest residential in the city?
I had no idea there was a competition thingy going on between ROCP and Pinnacle

How can either expect to be the tallest for long? I guess if you discount buildings with a hotel or mixed-use componant, but still, I don't see Pinnacle doing it.

[QUOTE=Taller, Better]
Is this a shot at me? Oh, TB, I thought we made up? Well I can let things go. Have a banana :banana2:


LOL! I don't hold grudges Waterloo... might tweak a nose now and then,
but I don't hold grudges. If that happens then everyone here hates everyone! :cheers:

IM totaly confused about what your talking about.
Do you mean highest residential in the city?
I had no idea there was a competition thingy going on between ROCP and Pinnacle

I guess this is how rumours get started.. (by me, evil grin!!). I heard some
where along the way that a muffin lady who is a cousin of a construction worker, etc... said that there was a sneaky little plan afoot to make it
very tall or the tallest. Probably a lie and probably I have given the lie life
with my wishful thinking. Hell, maybe someone connected with Pinnacle will
read this, get a woody and want to build an 80 storey building!!

8 floors higher the ROCP 1 hardly dwarfs it. Nice find Elliot.

Well, to put things in perspective i put together a quick skyscraperpage diagram, for anybody wondering this IS NOT the design of phase 3 seeing as non of us know what it will look like. So assuming it wll be wider to...then it looks dwarfed to me.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b224/neiliohep/ROCP.jpg

^^^ neilio, how tall is 1 King West compared? Isn't it the tallest residential in town?

Wow! That does dwarf it. But I'm not sure the proportions of this building will be the same as with the first two. Still, big improvement in height.

^^^ neilio, how tall is 1 King West compared? Isn't it the tallest residential in town?

1 King I believe is 170m, so this would beat it by 27 metres.

Well, to put things in perspective i put together a quick skyscraperpage diagram, for anybody wondering this IS NOT the design of phase 3 seeing as non of us know what it will look like. So assuming it wll be wider to...then it looks dwarfed to me.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b224/neiliohep/ROCP.jpg

The difference in height for a mere 9 storey increase is likely due to:

a) The 10 storey podium is Commercial (Office or Retail) with higher floor heights; or

b) There's some type of spire or architectural feature.

1 King is a bit taller than that; I think it's 579ft.

^ 1KW is 176m (578')

it will look taller but i think the design will be different.

^^^ neilio, how tall is 1 King West compared? Isn't it the tallest residential in town?

176m, so about midway between the 2 towers

"Rudy, I'll hang around the main forum, but only if you fax me a full colour render of the 1000 footer at Wellington and University... actually b/w is ok too."

But, I have no rendering to share as of yet of a potential new tallest somewhere around Wellington & University

So ... I guess I'll be seeing you around SSP

IM totaly confused about what your talking about.
Do you mean highest residential in the city?
I had no idea there was a competition thingy going on between ROCP and Pinnacle

JEEZ- it just dawned on me that I meant SIGNATURE, not Pinacle...
sorry to confuse everyone. The muffin lady's cousin said Signature would
be tallest

JEEZ- it just dawned on me that I meant SIGNATURE, not Pinacle...
sorry to confuse everyone. The muffin lady's cousin said Signature would
be tallest

lmao, you must not have gone to bed early enough :)

Signature--that makes sense. Wouldn't surprise me.

"I'll show you mine if you show me yours"

See you at SSP you handsome, great looking devil.

:pet: (this emoticon is kinda gay eh? But so is your sig, eh?)

Sounds like great news 3D ;), great find!!

And I love how the podium will be 10 storeys tall, it would really solidify the Yonge streetwall and it goes well with the Carlu. There's going to be lots of retail so hopefully they can have something like what they did with Empress Walk (in NYCC) and have a mini-mall at the base and connect it underground with the current College Park retail. I just hope they screw up the base like the did with phase I with stone that clashes with the tower. And 60 storeys is amazing, it will help create that peak in the skyline @ Yonge/College.

But in a way, I hope they improve on the current design or just come up with a new design in total. The first phase looks amazing but if they overdo it, it would probably look generic and bland like the waterclub or cityplace condos. Anyhoo, I just hope for the best because this is going to be one prominent development!

BTW, Taller, better sorry dude but you're wrong. The Pinnacle rumour was that the last phase might be 59 storeys tall, or most likely shorter. Signature Tower (Cityplace) is the one going for tallest residential tower in TO.

BTW, Taller, better sorry dude but you're wrong. The Pinnacle rumour was that the last phase might be 59 storeys tall, or most likely shorter. Signature Tower (Cityplace) is the one going for tallest residential tower in TO.

he said pinnacle by accident lol. he meant signature.

Darn noobs, jumping all over the slightest mistake.

Looks like the female RoCP construction worker I spoke to back in early spring, who first mentioned 70 stories, had some credible info after all...

:)

Oh dear God!!
That's... big
Such a huge podium could house a great entertainement complex.. oh man perfect!

I just pray to God they get a more daring design...

Ok...so somehow I managed to completely miss this entire gay drama thingy that's apparently going on...not to worry, gay dramas always end with a round of blowjobs for the house.


A 60-story ROCP3....very nice.

But don't forget about how they like to tack on 6 floors to them down the road. 2 for 3....or 3 for 3 ??






KGB

"Rudy, I'll hang around the main forum, but only if you fax me a full colour render of the 1000 footer at Wellington and University... actually b/w is ok too."

But, I have no rendering to share as of yet of a potential new tallest somewhere around Wellington & University

So ... I guess I'll be seeing you around SSP
What the hell are you guys talking about?

Ok...so somehow I managed to completely miss this entire gay drama thingy that's apparently going on...not to worry, gay dramas always end with a round of blowjobs for the house.

What kind of filth are you typing?

Oh dear God!!
That's... big
Such a huge podium could house a great entertainement complex.. oh man perfect!

I just pray to God they get a more daring design...

I hear ya, brother. Would be nice to see a departure in style for the third...
but I would not hold my breath. They've got the plans now, and they can
be re-used or slightly adjusted for a new tower. Now this would be a good
time to call for an international competition!!!
I cannot believe the winner of that harbourfront contest got 20 million dollars!! My memory might be wrong, but I thought the Mississauga contest
was a peanuts prize, like $50,000. 20 mil for a contest seems extreme.

I agree. An international competition for this one would be nice. You've got a generous height allowance to do something very nice here.

A larger proportion of glass wall would also be nice to break up some of the concrete monotony.

I cannot believe the winner of that harbourfront contest got 20 million dollars!!.......20 mil for a contest seems extreme.

Well, we were getting desperate, in the case of the waterfront... hahaha...

But, truly, that is extreme....

-thryve

Just lettin everyone know emporis updated their site on this,
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=267818

Looks like the female RoCP construction worker I spoke to back in early spring, who first mentioned 70 stories, had some credible info after all...

:)

She is obviously in league with The Muffin Lady who has her finger on the pulse of downtown construction! Bless 'em both :cheers:

Ok...so somehow I managed to completely miss this entire gay drama thingy that's apparently going on...not to worry, gay dramas always end with a round of blowjobs for the house.


A 60-story ROCP3....very nice.

But don't forget about how they like to tack on 6 floors to them down the road. 2 for 3....or 3 for 3 ??






KGB

I certainly hope they tack on six more floors, then the tower could be anywhere from 200m to 215m!

Just lettin everyone know emporis updated their site on this,
http://www.emporis.com/en/wm/bu/?id=267818

Thanks!

Can't wait to see the rendering... :bash:

Rendering should be out soon, wait a few months at most :)

Oh Joy, only a few months! (end of sarcasm)

My little fantasy ROCPIII

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/filipv/ROCPIII.jpg

Just please make it a non-ROCP I & II looking thing!

Rendering should be out soon, wait a few months at most :)

hardy har har har....yipee :sleepy:

My little fantasy ROCPIII

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v331/filipv/ROCPIII.jpg

Just please make it a non-ROCP I & II looking thing!
Awsome, not a bad deisgn..but whats with the spire??!!!eeeekkk
Im hoping this thing will be 196m to the roof not the tip of the spire.

I think somthing like Q1 would be absolutely beautiful!! (without the huge as spire that is)

^^ To the roof.. So like 230 m with the spire? hehe we can cheat can't we? Plus, I loathe those poky spires.. but this one seems to elegantly continue the buildling vertically.. Works with it I guess lol...

Filip = future architect - I wish!:D

^^ To the roof.. So like 230 m with the spire? hehe we can cheat can't we? Plus, I loathe those poky spires.. but this one seems to elegantly continue the buildling vertically.. Works with it I guess lol...

Filip = future architect - I wish!:D

ooohhh ic, well thats ok then. lol

"Rendering should be out soon, wait a few months at most "

Hopefully on Monday we'll have something

"Rendering should be out soon, wait a few months at most "

Hopefully on Monday we'll have something

in the mean time ill show you dudes my wonderful little wish for what i want it to look like. I designed it after Q1 in Australia.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b224/neiliohep/rocp3wish2.jpg

You're missing the ten storey podium.

You're missing the ten storey podium.

i know..this is my fantasy remember lol. But ill put it in i guess..to see what it looks like.

"modelled after Q1"

Well you've certainly got the Spire-to-actual roof height ratio correct... LOL. Those Aussies love their spires.

in the mean time ill show you dudes my wonderful little wish for what i want it to look like. I designed it after Q1 in Australia.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b224/neiliohep/rocp3wish2.jpg

Looks great....but it has more in common with Vision (From Brisbane) than Q1.....but still, it has that Aussie flair:D:D

"Rendering should be out soon, wait a few months at most "

Hopefully on Monday we'll have something

Nice, hope it turns out to be true.

Btw I said a few months in a general regard, I don't know anything about when news will come but I know that sign about Phase 3 has been on RoCP 1 for a while now :)

Great find eillot. Ten-storeys will make an excellent streetwall continuing from the college park building to the north. Sixty storeys ain't half bad either.

... i bet the tall tower will be next to the college park building - and not at the corner - further north on yonge will mean that it will not cast a shadow over the park, the smaller.

Hey ... its MrMan
and he's moved again

so is it Ontario or New Jersey?



I think neillo's tower would work quite well in Toronto maybe better as a redesigned One Bloor East

Guys, I'm slightly confused here, is the podium running north-south along Yonge or east-west from Yonge along Gerrard?
Anybody have the actual layout of the lot?
The description posted by Elliot says the smaller 10 story building will be in "Gerrard West". That could be the NW corner of the intersection I guess if the podium is north/south, but sounds like east/west to me.

Hey ... its MrMan
and he's moved again

so is it Ontario or New Jersey?



I think neillo's tower would work quite well in Toronto maybe better as a redesigned One Bloor East
It's Chicago nowadays. My bloody job has me moving around the country every six months or so.

well that sucks (unless you enjoy it)

Here's the city report, courtesy of AlvinofDiaspar of UT:
http://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/2006/agendas/committees/te/te060613/it046.pdf

thx spoonman :)

thanks Spoonman.
that's one huge podium and development with 1.3 million sq. ft.
i hope the city doesn't cut them back on the density.

don't thank me... I'm just the relay boy.

Oh joy. 3 floors of underground retail and is that 8 floors of above ground parking?

Haha.. even kinda looks like my drawing:D

so this will be a massive version of 18 yorkville? Thats good.

Haha.. even kinda looks like my drawing:D

holy shyte...the style and everything is freakishly close to your drawing!!!....wow

I like the podium and the towers look alrite, nothing spectacular though, it fits in with the current trend of Toronto style condos. It will however be a really huge tower. But I'll base my opinion when we get to see a full colour rendering first, it should look spectatcular!

http://static.flickr.com/69/161206444_94e9b730a0_o.jpg

Looks like a cross between 18 Yorkville/One Bedford and the cancelled One Toronto Tower, with a large base.

http://static.flickr.com/50/161206443_fb5ff39242_o.jpg

Parking lot @ Yonge/Gerrard is history!!

So what's going to be on the corner of Yonge & Gerrard exactly, since the 60 and 20 storey towers are off Yonge and Gerrard respectively?

I found this quote from the city report interesting:

"Subsequent to the submission of this application, the proponent has met with City Planning staff
to discuss a potential revised concept based on a single tall tower, but to-date, the applicant has
not submitted a formal revised proposal."

So maybe they'll go with one giant tower of more then 60 storeys? That would be cool.

Ziggy

^10 storey parkade

I like buildings with hefty podiums. This is no exception. This could be a very handsome tower depending on the glass colour.

That looks real good, I agree with you guys about the podium, it does look rather nice and will suit Yonge street well.

Yay large podium!

As well, the fact that it will be loaded with retail is nice... from below, nobody would even know it's a condo, I hope.

And whoever said it looks like 18 Yorkville.... I can't say I see that really... ;) It'll be a great addition to Yonge St. nonetheless.

-thryve

Looks really good....so basically from ground to top it is 70 floors??

I found this quote from the city report interesting:

"Subsequent to the submission of this application, the proponent has met with City Planning staff
to discuss a potential revised concept based on a single tall tower, but to-date, the applicant has
not submitted a formal revised proposal."

So maybe they'll go with one giant tower of more then 60 storeys? That would be cool.

Ziggy

There's the tale of the female construction worker resurfacing again. Could the 70 storey building still be in reach?

:)

We'll see how this plays out...

Right on Yonge St, too... can you believe it if they went taller? OMG!!

^ looks like 1 u/g retail concourse level. I wonder if it will join up with College Park. 2 above ground retail.

^ looks like 1 u/g retail concourse level. I wonder if it will join up with College Park. 2 above ground retail.

My guess is it would join up with CP... an underground link to the subway system is a huge plus when selling units.

^ looks like 1 u/g retail concourse level. I wonder if it will join up with College Park. 2 above ground retail.
Did I say that?

every overlord has their 'Bush' moments

According to Element over on SSP. ROCPIII has been revised to a single 75 STOREY tower at the corner of Yonge/Gerrard. According to him, the renderings are breathtaking!

60 storey 196.5m=75 storey 245.6m 806 ft
making sense of this i guess one tall tower instead of two gives better acces to the park.this could be our empire state building(skyline talk)!

^^TALL!! After what occured with Sapphire.. Will the city even approve this monster? I hope it's a Toronto style masterpiece, to finally give us a decent midtown focal point.

^^TALL!! After what occured with Sapphire.. Will the city even approve this monster? I hope it's a Toronto style masterpiece, to finally give us a decent midtown focal point.

Im loving the idea of 240m+!! Given the location of this building i dont see why the city itself would have any problems with it..the NIMBY's might but i cant see to much opposition.

ignore.

Im loving the idea of 240m+!! Given the location of this building i dont see why the city itself would have any problems with it..the NIMBY's might but i cant see to much opposition.

I can't think of a single reason why NIMBY's would find this project objectionable, unless you live in a condo along Bay Street and this tower would block your view of the sky! Too bad for them!

^^I don't think you call people in condo's who object tall building NIMBY's;);)....they have no backyard

Wow its been awhile since something exciting like this has been anounced...i feel giddy :D

I can't think of a single reason why NIMBY's would find this project objectionable, unless you live in a condo along Bay Street and this tower would block your view of the sky! Too bad for them!

Exactly, which is why i really dont have any doubtes that this tower will go up. IT will dwarf everything in the area!!

Jeez! 75 stories!! It might cast a ten second shadow over my balcony on June 22/23 of every year, so I WANT MONEY!!
I wish we could get a glimpse at the rendering.... I'm blown away just envisioning it! Can you imagine the trip it would be to brag to your friends that you live on the 75th floor???

Really hope TO council approves it and would love to see some renderings. A tower right at Yonge & Gerrard is what I always thought would have been better. I wonder if they're going to keep the retail podium.

After what occured with Sapphire.. Will the city even approve this monster?

Sapphire could have received approval at any location between King and Front.

Location makes a huge difference. At the North-East corner of the lot it will probably be fine. At the South West corner they would not get 20 storeys -- in fact, the city say the 20 storey component and advised them to try again.

Im hoping there will be a 5m mechanical house or something on top for a 250m tower!!yeehaw!!

Neilio! It looks like all that hopping and farting is finally paying off!!

^^^ Stand on one foot and do it again. I want to see it get to 95 storeys!!

:drool:
I am salivating at the prospect of seeing THE rendering.
I hope this is not a hoax by Element at SSP. Can anyone confirm from the city if the aplication has been modified? Any corroboration? Nice sales lady at their sales office?

From Element on SSP:

*sigh* sorry guys, I had already sent it off to another department for their review. It's a very sleek tower, IIRC, with a lot more glass than ROCP I and II. It's got a sweeping roof element and definitely will make its mark on the skyline. I'll keep hunting for it at work tomorrow.. maybe try to recall it.

Nice sales lady at their sales office?

or go to city hall with address in tow and buy photocopies of the elevations

Neilio! It looks like all that hopping and farting is finally paying off!!

well, i was hopping, farting and burping this time.

From 3Dementia at UrbanToronto

Planning Department:
A revised proposal has been submitted for a 75-storey (227m) tower on Yonge Street. Plans are available but must be viewed in our office by appointment only.

Regards,
Kelly




Kelly Dynes, MCIP, RPP
Senior Planner, Downtown Section
Community Planning, Toronto and East York District
City Planning Division
City Hall, 18th Floor, East Tower