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mwg12a

December 15th, 2011, 03:39 PM

You're welcome. Pampalipas/pampatulog, hehe! Can't sleep here though, so I tried to find some docus on Youtube. Anyway, they made that documentary, a year before the CVR and FDR were found at the bottom of the Atlantic. Who would have thought by just piecing the sparse information they have, you almost have an accurate answer to the mishap.

Tutoo talaga ang sinabi ng mga experts duon sa video. Yuong friend ko sinabi din sa akin na madali talaga na ngayon ang trabaho nila na ng pilots hindi gaya nuong araw dahil sa mga bagong instrumentation ngayon, 90% of time, mga pilot fly and land their aircrafts via autopilot especially when the weather is really good, they pretty much man the aircraft only so yes, like the airforce pilot mentioned here, it offers most of the pilots less experiences on newer situations, just because all the technology was developed from how previous accidents presented itself especially when it's a mechanical failure. Madali nga ang piloto ma disorient kaagad kung ang katawan nila ang susundin at hindi ang instrument nila which is most often than not, it usually resulted with something catastrophic. Gaya na din ng kay JFK Jr, although, much lesser experienced yuon, ang error niya was about his failure to use his best judgement and not completely relied on his plane's instruments. Malaki din talaga ang room for human error.

kaniguan78

December 15th, 2011, 03:57 PM

I wonder what routes this new airline will fly, and where its hubs will be based.

Legazpi - Masbate and Legazpi - Virac po. Obviously Legazpi po ang hub. Initially they are offering chartered flights and will be offering regular flights to those destinations soon.

Eto po yung aircraft na gagamitin nila. Maliliit lang. Mga 20 seater siguro.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/382905_309789085710895_303364103020060_1003416_1191627783_n.jpg

South West Air Corporation (https://www.facebook.com/pages/South-West-Air-Corporation-Philippines/303364103020060)

HANG_tod

December 15th, 2011, 04:16 PM

New plane of MID-SEA EXPRESS (https://www.facebook.com/midseaexpress) (A cebu based airline).
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/390639_319624641395508_196618713696102_1210266_420723735_n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/390074_319625054728800_196618713696102_1210273_885160836_n.jpg
JETSTREAM 32:cheers:

they're planning to acquire more planes next year - Capt. Villanueva said.
like...Jetstream 41 and Embraer E Jet

^^first cebu based airline? eh yung cebu pacific? makati ba or ortigas,quezon city?

HANG_tod

December 15th, 2011, 04:20 PM

parehas lang ang mid-sea at bicol air express may islander planes,6-8 seaters, pang mayayaman lang

Parchie

December 15th, 2011, 04:55 PM

parehas lang ang mid-sea at bicol air express may islander planes,6-8 seaters, pang mayayaman lang
IMO, what @kaniguan posted is a Britten Norman Islander, which can carry up to nine passengers and the pilot (if front right seat is given to a co-pilot, 8 passengers total).

A smaller charter plane becomes more expensive. Let me give an approximation figure (previous experience):
Charter rate (6-seaters) say P40T(two-ways), pro-rated (5 passengers) becomes about P8T /pax. or P4T one-way! Mayaman, medyo may-pera, o may kaya - pwede!

habagatcentral1

December 16th, 2011, 01:48 AM

Tutoo talaga ang sinabi ng mga experts duon sa video. Yuong friend ko sinabi din sa akin na madali talaga na ngayon ang trabaho nila na ng pilots hindi gaya nuong araw dahil sa mga bagong instrumentation ngayon, 90% of time, mga pilot fly and land their aircrafts via autopilot especially when the weather is really good, they pretty much man the aircraft only so yes, like the airforce pilot mentioned here, it offers most of the pilots less experiences on newer situations, just because all the technology was developed from how previous accidents presented itself especially when it's a mechanical failure. Madali nga ang piloto ma disorient kaagad kung ang katawan nila ang susundin at hindi ang instrument nila which is most often than not, it usually resulted with something catastrophic. Gaya na din ng kay JFK Jr, although, much lesser experienced yuon, ang error niya was about his failure to use his best judgement and not completely relied on his plane's instruments. Malaki din talaga ang room for human error.
There is a debate whether automation is making aviation safe or making it more vulnerable to danger, since the humans are increasingly relying on computer and/or fly-by wire technology.

Although one argument says that handling aviation to humans increase risks--hence "pilot/human error." But despite the automation, it is still the human beings who will have the last say, not the computers.

sloanesquare

December 16th, 2011, 01:51 AM

http://www.businesstraveller.com/news/exclusive-video-new-doha-international-airport

bitoy

December 16th, 2011, 03:31 AM

http://www.businesstraveller.com/news/exclusive-video-new-doha-international-airport

new doha airport...what $14B get you compared with NAIA3 's $600M

Well, Qatar has $14B to spend..most likely more $$$ to put in that project....lalo na yung VIP terminal...pati banyo puro ginto. :D

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/5416/841821299160608.jpg

HANG_tod

December 16th, 2011, 08:41 AM

ok lang yan, wala naman tayong pera na $14 BILLION, KONG MERON MAN, MAS GUGUSTUHIN KO PA ANG SORSOGON-SAMAR BRIDGE,LEYTE-MINDANAO BRIDGE,LEYTE BOHOL BRIDGE AT CAVITE-BATAAN BRIDGE, kesa sa inutil na NINOY Aquino airport

Parchie

December 16th, 2011, 09:15 AM

skyskimmer

December 16th, 2011, 11:50 AM

Nice ideas! Hindrance: MONEY!

sigurado ako: kung wala lang talagang mga buwaya, mas mayaman tayo sa Qatar. sisiw lang ung $14B na yan. pero.....

(yeah, palaging may pero sa pinas)

:lol:

dayanadayang

December 16th, 2011, 01:04 PM

sigurado ako: kung wala lang talagang mga buwaya, mas mayaman tayo sa Qatar. sisiw lang ung $14B na yan. pero.....

(yeah, palaging may pero sa pinas)

:lol:

Bakit sa Qatar walang buwaya? :nuts: Bakit dito lang yata sa atin nabubuhay ang mga buwaya?

skyskimmer

December 16th, 2011, 01:26 PM

Bakit sa Qatar walang buwaya? :nuts: Bakit dito lang yata sa atin nabubuhay ang mga buwaya?

scientifically speaking, wala nga talaga. puro disyerto dun.

politically speaking, mas rampant dito. :D

oh, out of topic na tayo. haha.

dayanadayang

December 16th, 2011, 01:30 PM

Parchie

December 16th, 2011, 02:14 PM

OT--siguro mas mayaman ang 'pinas kesa sa Qatar...madaming buwaya rito eh...buhay na buhay sila...yung iba in captivity na, samantalang marami pa rin ang nasa wilderness of the Philippine Islands. :nuts:
Thanks for the lesson in figures of speech! Hehehehe

litigs

December 16th, 2011, 03:09 PM

There is a debate whether automation is making aviation safe or making it more vulnerable to danger, since the humans are increasingly relying on computer and/or fly-by wire technology.

Although one argument says that handling aviation to humans increase risks--hence "pilot/human error." But despite the automation, it is still the human beings who will have the last say, not the computers.
Automation is good for as long as you don't forget the basics. Common failure is pilots forget how to recover a stall as the auto pilot disengages. Take the case of the q400 crash in Buffalo, New York.

dashalvin

December 16th, 2011, 03:37 PM

Automation is good for as long as you don't forget the basics. Common failure is pilots forget how to recover a stall as the auto pilot disengages. Take the case of the q400 crash in Buffalo, New York.

I agree w/ this lit. Natataranta cguro ang mga pilots at nakakalimutan nla e2...

habagatcentral1

December 16th, 2011, 04:19 PM

Automation is good for as long as you don't forget the basics. Common failure is pilots forget how to recover a stall as the auto pilot disengages. Take the case of the q400 crash in Buffalo, New York.
Which is nose down to regain airspeed, is that correct?

francis03

December 16th, 2011, 04:41 PM

You guys are forgetting something here. Stalls aren't just about speed. An airfoil (ie. wings) stalls when it reaches its critical angle-of-attack regardless of airspeed. Any plane could stall at any airspeed. You could be going 300 knots and still stall the airplane.

I don't know the proper stall recovery for a Q400 but if its similar to the planes I fly then it is stick forward to decrease aoa, full power.

Also, regarding automation. I would much rather shoot an ILS to minimums in actual instrument conditions in a G1000 than an old steam gauge Cessna 172. Not saying that the old one is unsafe or anything, but automation makes life easier and gives the pilot better situational awareness. If there is an easier way to do things, why choose the harder option?

The crashes involving state-of-the art planes, if you read the reports, always say that its not the automation that caused the crash, but the human behind it.

dayanadayang

December 16th, 2011, 04:51 PM

Which is nose down to regain airspeed, is that correct?

I can imagine how a paper plane dives and regains lift and speed when throw it from high elevation and I as well can picture out how it stalls when it exceeds its angle of attack while it climbs up from a steep fall.

habagatcentral1

December 16th, 2011, 05:54 PM

Hence, the use of flaps, is it correct?

francis03

December 16th, 2011, 07:44 PM

Hence, the use of flaps, is it correct?

What do you mean?

During landing, the flaps are used to change the aoa of the wing so the aircraft can approach at a steeper angle and a lower airspeed...

habagatcentral1

December 16th, 2011, 07:47 PM

What do you mean?

During landing, the flaps are used to change the aoa of the wing so the aircraft can approach at a steeper angle and a lower airspeed...
I mean flaps are used during landings so that it can prevent stall since the craft is on lower speed, is this correct?

May I ask also, what is the use of flaps during take-off. Its usually on flaps 20?
Thanks!

Sorry if I got you confused regarding high-altitude stall and the flaps.

francis03

December 16th, 2011, 08:30 PM

I mean flaps are used during landings so that it can prevent stall since the craft is on lower speed, is this correct?

May I ask also, what is the use of flaps during take-off. Its usually on flaps 20?
Thanks!

Sorry if I got you confused regarding high-altitude stall and the flaps.

On landing flaps are used so the plane can have a steeper rate of descent at a slower speed. No flap landings are shallower and faster.

I only fly Cessnas and Pipers so I don't really know about airliners. But I think they takeoff with flaps because of their swept back wings. Those wings are built to fly fast and will stall at slow speeds. I think flaps are used to allow them to takeoff and land at a slower speed.

There are a number of variables that are taken into consideration in determining how much flaps are to be used on take-off...

Flaps preventing a stall though?? I don't think so...

habagatcentral1

December 16th, 2011, 08:33 PM

On landing flaps are used so the plane can have a steeper rate of descent at a slower speed. No flap landings are shallower and faster.

I only fly Cessnas and Pipers so I don't really know about airliners. But I think they takeoff with flaps because of their swept back wings. Those wings are built to fly fast and will stall at slow speeds. I think flaps are used to allow them to takeoff and land at a slower speed.

There are a number of variables that are taken into consideration in determining how much flaps are to be used on take-off...

Flaps preventing a stall though?? I don't think so...
Its a good thing we are having a conversation with a real aviator. Thanks for these info. :okay: These are really enlightening and better than reading the manuals alone.

If only I can pursue my childhood dream to be a pilot, hehehe...but for now, its only Flight Sim for me.

francis03

December 16th, 2011, 08:47 PM

bitoy

December 16th, 2011, 08:51 PM

Will flying an RC plane counts? I got many hours flying my model planes....naka 3 crash landings na rin ako. :lol: Ayun na-canibalized na lahat, waiting for me to build another one. :D

There are many different types of flaps in airplanes but all serve the purpose of either increasing the lift or drag depending on the need of the aircraft.

habagatcentral1

December 16th, 2011, 10:13 PM

thats used to be me. Pa flight sim flight sim lang. Then I took an intro flight when I was 18, got hooked and never looked back since. I wanna be an airline pilot someday.

I say go to ur nearest airfield and take an intro flight.
And that would be...NAIA.
Of course, I bet its expensive to take a pilot training course. I heard it costs millions. Not unless if I went to PMA or through Air Force.

pi_malejana

December 16th, 2011, 11:25 PM

And that would be...NAIA.
Of course, I bet its expensive to take a pilot training course. I heard it costs millions. Not unless if I went to PMA or through Air Force.

if you want to be an airline pilot, then yes it'll cost millions... but if you just want to fly for the sake of flying, just take private pilot course, should cost less than 500k php...:) sa flying naman, di ka magbabayad up front... since by stage naman ang license/ratings, pwede kang magbayad para sa isang license lang muna...

tumitingin ako sa schools dyan at mukhang mas mura dyan, pati fuel surcharge... of course, di ko lang alam dun sa quality nung instructor pati ng mga eroplano, hehe...:D

oh btw, get a third class medical certificate first (ganyan ba sa Pinas??) kasi required yan ng FAA/ICAO bago mag license, first class for airline transport pilot license...

:cheers:

francis03

December 17th, 2011, 12:19 AM

bitoy

December 17th, 2011, 01:00 AM

^^ Are you in Southern Cal? I used to live near Van Nuys airport and knew some flight instructors there, yung ibang piloto kasama namin sa club..but that was then when they can take you to the air for free. :D

habagatcentral1

December 17th, 2011, 01:11 AM

if you want to be an airline pilot, then yes it'll cost millions... but if you just want to fly for the sake of flying, just take private pilot course, should cost less than 500k php...:) sa flying naman, di ka magbabayad up front... since by stage naman ang license/ratings, pwede kang magbayad para sa isang license lang muna...

tumitingin ako sa schools dyan at mukhang mas mura dyan, pati fuel surcharge... of course, di ko lang alam dun sa quality nung instructor pati ng mga eroplano, hehe...:D

oh btw, get a third class medical certificate first (ganyan ba sa Pinas??) kasi required yan ng FAA/ICAO bago mag license, first class for airline transport pilot license...

:cheers:

Where in the US are you??

Dito sa California, my PPL cost me about 5K in 2007 dollars. You don't have to pay lumpsum sa flight school. I did pay as u go. So each lesson cost me about $125/hr.. Plane rental (95/hr) plus instructor (30/hr)

Mas mura dito than sa pinas...

^^ Are you in Southern Cal? I used to live near Van Nuys airport and knew some flight instructors there, yung ibang piloto kasama namin sa club..but that was then when they can take you to the air for free. :D

Mabuti pa kayo sa Amerika, ang mura ng tuition para sa pagpapalipad.
Millions indeed, I guess it'll take a while before I reach there. Siguro uunti-untiin ko muna. To be honest, I wanna be an airline pilot too.

mwg12a

December 17th, 2011, 02:26 AM

scientifically speaking, wala nga talaga. puro disyerto dun.

politically speaking, mas rampant dito. :D

oh, out of topic na tayo. haha.

OT--siguro mas mayaman ang 'pinas kesa sa Qatar...madaming buwaya rito eh...buhay na buhay sila...yung iba in captivity na, samantalang marami pa rin ang nasa wilderness of the Philippine Islands. :nuts:

Langis kaya ang dahilan kaya may pera sila?? May pangtayo talaga sila na magandang airport at hindi naman kailangan pa nila ng foreign investors. May mga buwaya din sigurado duon sila sobra na lang siguro ng dami ng pera nila kaya buwaya sila sa ibang bagay :lol:

bitoy

December 17th, 2011, 05:27 AM

Mabuti pa kayo sa Amerika, ang mura ng tuition para sa pagpapalipad.
Millions indeed, I guess it'll take a while before I reach there. Siguro uunti-untiin ko muna. To be honest, I wanna be an airline pilot too.

If you are physically and mentally fit to become a pilot and if you put your mind into your interest in the future, walang hahadlang sa iyo. Ang perang kinakailangan sa pagaaral ay nagagawan ng paraan.

Kaya ako, nakikiangkas na lang dahil sa serbisyo, nangangarap na lang na ako yung nasa unahan ng eroplano tuwing nasa himpapawid kami. :D

pi_malejana

December 17th, 2011, 05:39 AM

Where in the US are you??

Dito sa California, my PPL cost me about 5K in 2007 dollars. You don't have to pay lumpsum sa flight school. I did pay as u go. So each lesson cost me about $125/hr.. Plane rental (95/hr) plus instructor (30/hr)

Mas mura dito than sa pinas...

NY...:) baka nga mura, sa school lang namin mahal...:lol: wet rental here (w/ instructor) for a warrior is around $150/hr, it's a glass cockpit though with G1000... a cessna 172 with instructor in our local airport is around $110/hr...

anung plane ginamit mo and how many hours did it take??:)

:cheers:

francis03

December 17th, 2011, 05:57 AM

Yeah that sounds about right. Are you sure its G1000? Warriors don't come with G1000 but rather they come with Avidyne. I don't think that comes with instructor fees though. Wet only means its fuel included...

I learned in an old Piper Warrior II.

I currently fly a 1999 Cessna 172SP for 105/hr wet (fully fueled). This month has been my best month because I flew both my dream General Aviation planes. A Cirrus SR22 and a Citation Mustang...

pi_malejana

December 17th, 2011, 06:44 AM

^^ hmm, i'll check... i've seen the garmin on a 172 before, is it used there??
as far as the rates, i'll look that up as well... our school have begun to outsource the flight training here so we've kinda reverted from being a part 141 to 61...:ohno:

anyway, just to be on topic...:D

Cebu Pacific cancels six flights due to Storm Sendong
December 17, 2011 11:05am
GMA News (http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/241959/news/nation/cebu-pacific-cancels-six-flights-due-to-storm-sendong)

Air carrier Cebu Pacific on Saturday canceled at least six flights due to bad weather conditions brought by Tropical Storm Sendong (Washi).

In an advisory on its Facebook account, Cebu Pacific said the six flights included (https://www.facebook.com/cebupacificair):

5J-625 and 5J-626: Manila to Dumaguete and back
5J-781 and 5J-782: Manila to Ozamiz and back
5J-711 and 5J-712: Manila to Catarman and back

"Affected passengers will be accommodated on the next available flights. You may also rebook within 30 days of cancellation or Travel Fund without penalties," Cebu Pacific said.

"We always place top priority in your safety; thank you for your understanding," it added.

State weather forecasters earlier said Sendong was heading for the Sulu Sea and may exit Philippine territory late Sunday or early Monday.

The National Disaster Risk Reduction and Management Council said at least 20 people were killed in the storm's wake. — LBG, GMA News

habagatcentral1

December 17th, 2011, 06:52 AM

If you are physically and mentally fit to become a pilot and if you put your mind into your interest in the future, walang hahadlang sa iyo. Ang perang kinakailangan sa pagaaral ay nagagawan ng paraan.

Kaya ako, nakikiangkas na lang dahil sa serbisyo, nangangarap na lang na ako yung nasa unahan ng eroplano tuwing nasa himpapawid kami. :D
Yung physically fit...New Year's Resolution na yan. :lol: Mentally fit, teka papacheck muna ako sa Mandaluyong, hehe! But seriously, money matters.

hybridace101

December 17th, 2011, 11:09 AM

If you arrive at MNL at 17.00-17.30 for a flight going to depart at 19.00, are you there at a "peak time?" I took a 16.50 flight, arrived at the airport at 15.00 and didn't experience a long passport control queue. In fact, only the first row was filled.

RonnieR

December 17th, 2011, 01:56 PM

December 17, 2011 | MANILA, PHILIPPINES

Posted on December 16, 2011 06:26:25 PM

Cebu Pacific inks partnership for $50-M pilot school

CEBU PACIFIC is putting up a $50-million aviation academy in Clark, Pampanga with Canada-based CAE, Inc. to train pilots from the budget carrier along with those from other airlines.
Cebu Air Inc., operator of Cebu Pacific, said in a disclosure Friday operations at the academy will start within the third quarter of 2012. The local firm signed a joint venture deal with CAE, said to be a wold leader in aviation training, for the $40-50 million joint investment.

The joint venture will initially focus on training pilots to operate Airbus A319/320/321 series. Cebu Air’s current and new-hire pilots will be provided with "wet" instructor-led, type-rating training while a slew of courses will also be available to other Airbus operators.

"This will…help make Asia Pacific’s vibrant aviation industry more appealing in the face of growing competition for well-trained aviation professionals," Lance Y. Gokongwei, Cebu Pacific president and chief executive officer, said in the statement.

Source: Business World, Dec. 16, 2011

arcabe

December 18th, 2011, 01:54 AM

Cebu Pacific, CAE to build US$ 50-M aviation training center in Clark

MANILA, Dec. 17 (PNA) -- Cebu Pacific, the airline unit of JG Summit Holdings Inc., has signed a joint venture agreement with CAE Inc. to establish an aviation training center in Clark Freeport Zone.

Cebu Pacific said the aviation training center is for airlines in the Asia Pacific region and responsible for type-rating training of the budget airline's pilots.

The aviation academy is scheduled to start operations in the third quarter of next year in Clark Freeport Zone, northwest of the national capital of Manila, and represents about US$ 40 million to US$ 50 million joint investment.

“We are proud to partner with CAE to support CEB’s growing fleet, expansion plans, and training requirements. This will also help make Asia Pacific’s vibrant aviation industry more appealing in the face of growing competition for well-trained aviation professionals, Lance Gokongwei, Cebu Pacific's president and chief executive said.

Gokongwei said that Airbus’ Global Market Forecast predicts more than 34 percent or 9,160 of total global airplane orders until 2030 will go to the Asia Pacific region, of which 5,770 of these will be single-aisle planes like the A320.

http://www.pna.gov.ph/index.php?idn=&nid=3&rid=392903

francis03

December 18th, 2011, 04:28 AM

^^ hmm, i'll check... i've seen the garmin on a 172 before, is it used there??
as far as the rates, i'll look that up as well... our school have begun to outsource the flight training here so we've kinda reverted from being a part 141 to 61...:ohno:

Cessna 172s have Garmins.

Part 61 is fine. I learned/learning through Part 61 and I like it because its more flexible

skyskimmer

December 18th, 2011, 08:43 AM

Definitely, an F-16 for the Philippines As President Aquino bares Wish List to Obama
By Norman Bordadora
December 14, 2011

President Benigno Aquino III will ask US President Barack Obama for F-16 fighter jets when they meet April next year in Washington for a State Visit.

This was disclosed by Aquino during opening ceremonies for the PAF Invitational Shootfest and firing range blessing at Villamor Airbase on Saturday.

“We went to Bali, Indonesia, recently and as we were leaving for the Philippines, we saw at their airport three F-16s parked and they would be given two squadrons more by our American friends,” Mr. Aquino said in an impromptu speech.

“I said, this looks rather equitable. Two squadrons for them, one ship for us,” he added in jest.
The President said he would remind Obama of the strategic partnership between the Philippines and the United States.

Obama has invited President Aquino to go on a state visit to the US next year after attending the ASEAN meeting in Bali, Indonesia.

“I think that when I and President Obama meet next year, perhaps around April, I will remind him of our strategic partnership. They might remember that we don’t have a fighter jet here,” Mr. Aquino said.

The Philippines recently acquired from the United States a Hamilton-class cutter and has named the erstwhile US Coast Guard vessel the BRP Gregorio del Pilar.

“The Navy will be getting—I am told, I have been assured—our second Hamilton class cutter sometime next year,” the President said.

“And we did request that when it is given to us, they would no longer remove the equipment installed for us to put back in place when it gets to us and it appears that our request would be granted… Perhaps not the entire system (would remain) but a lot of it,” he added.

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton told Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin during talks in Manila in November that Washington would give the Philippines a second cutter "Dallas" from the US Coast Guard virtually for free early 2012 but some retrofitting and upgrading has to be made to effectively make it a naval vessel. The third one is expected to join the navy fleet in 2013.

The US recently indicated its preparedness to engage its allies in East Asia and Southeast Asia to ensure the freedom of economic activity and the implementation of maritime rules in the region.

Obama made the remarks when he was asked during a forum at the APEC Summit in Hawaii last month what issues he would tackle and what goals he wanted to accomplish when he attended the East Asia Summit and the US-Asean Summit in Bali also in November.

In a separate news briefing during the APEC meet, the commander of the US Pacific Fleet and recent Manila visitor Adm. Robert Willard said the West Philippine Sea (South China Sea) is an important sea lane that is vital to the region, to US allies “and certainly to the United States.”

Willard said the sea lanes that “criss-cross” the South China Sea carry $5.3 trillion in annual bilateral trade, of which $1.2 trillion is in US trade.

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/

Sou-jiro

December 18th, 2011, 09:21 AM

^^ that should be posted on the defense forces thread. (allow me to repost it there. :) )

skyskimmer

December 18th, 2011, 03:03 PM

^^ that should be posted on the defense forces thread. (allow me to repost it there. :) )

okay..thanks!

skyskimmer

December 18th, 2011, 03:16 PM

got a question here...how are PR's flights to India? are they doing good?

hybridace101

December 18th, 2011, 05:12 PM

Hmmm... they stopped the non-stop flight between MNL and DEL and all that's left is a 1-stop flight via BKK, 3x weekly.

majaba98

December 18th, 2011, 05:14 PM

Sky Harbor

December 19th, 2011, 01:01 AM

Hmmm... they stopped the non-stop flight between MNL and DEL and all that's left is a 1-stop flight via BKK, 3x weekly.

If I'm not mistaken, this is temporary and the non-stops will return next year.

skyskimmer

December 19th, 2011, 01:38 AM

This president is a little to aggresiv in my opinion. If he continues that way we might have a dog fight with the next world power right in front of our doorstep.

at least our Air Force would be better equipped. the fact that we don't have one decent fighter jet is like...a joke.

swahi

December 19th, 2011, 01:47 AM

Fraulein

December 19th, 2011, 03:57 AM

PAL seen ending 2011 in the red
By: Paolo G. Montecillo
Philippine Daily Inquirer

http://business.inquirer.net/35795/pal-seen-ending-2011-in-the-red

MANILA, Philippines—Flag carrier Philippine Airlines is expected to end the year in the red due mainly to labor woes and high fuel prices.

PAL president and chief operating officer Jaime J. Bautista said making matters worse for airlines across the world were the economic woes in the United States and Europe and the natural crises in Japan, which have dampened demand from developed markets.

“Our numbers are down by an average of 20 percent for the months affected by the strike,” he told reporters.

Bautsita said the strike by PAL Employees’ Association (Palea) in late September, in protest of the company’s plan to retrench 2,600 workers, forced the airline to scale down flights for several weeks.

The workers who went on strike have since been retrenched, but the sub-contractors hired by PAL have not been able to replace the fired employees.

Bautista said the airline had been suffering from the impact of the strike since October and this might continue up to early next year.

He said the unannounced strike by Palea had led to a slowdown in bookings, with many potential customers scared off by the possibility of further disruptions in flights.

As a result, he said the company’s average load factor had slumped to about 70 percent, which meant that close to a third of seats in every PAL flight is vacant.

Most affected are PAL’s domestic flights, which make up a third of PAL’s operations. Demand for international flights remained stable, Bautista said.

Last month, PAL, owned by taipan Lucio Tan, reported a net loss of $39.4 million for the three-month period ending September, a reversal from its $27.6-million profit a year ago.

The cost of fuel, which accounts for about 40 percent of the company’s expenses, also continues to threaten PAL’s profitability.

“The jet fuel price assumption in our budget is around $120 per barrel. Right now, it’s at about $126 per barrel,” he said.

majaba98

December 19th, 2011, 02:46 PM

If and when we have F16's, I hope the Phil government will allocate sufficient fuel to fly these planes effectively. If not, its just going to be just for show. Heck, they may have enough fuel just to allow our pilots enough flight time to learn how to fly the plane, barely. And they may not even try to use their sidewinders, harpoons, if ever it is included with the plane. Those things are expensive to replace. Balik na lang ulit sa machine guns.

So what´s the sense of purchasing a much too expensive fighter, if there´s no efficient after math ? The chinese will simply laugh and send in hundreds of fighters if they wish to do so.

We should rather compromise with them and feed our poor rather than feed the (rish) Saudies.....:nuts::ohno::nuts:

hybridace101

December 19th, 2011, 03:29 PM

I was at SQ's main ticketing office at MNL and I spent more than an hour there. Because my ride was approaching, I had to leave before my number was up at the counter. It takes 20-30 mins to service just one number. I got pissed because three out of six counters were closed. Who else tried going to ticketing offices (of any carrier) and booking their flights there rather than online? What advantages do you find with that?

Some advantages I see with that are the following:
- You don't need to pay for your flight immediately. This is useful if you are unsure if you will be issued a visa to your destination
- TIEZA taxes are collected upfront and you can pay with your credit card (unlike the airport where only cash and PHP are accepted). Despite the long waits, its better to collect the taxes then rather than at the airport when you're in a hurry.

litigs

December 19th, 2011, 08:02 PM

xzibit31

December 20th, 2011, 05:46 AM

^^

F16's is a no brainer....:)

majaba98

December 20th, 2011, 07:51 AM

arianespace

December 20th, 2011, 12:55 PM

Definitely, the F-16s can do a lot more security than those aging cutters. Just look at the photos of those ships and compare with an F-16, which one would you get.

I would love to agree with you. But the State Department saw it otherwise. A naval ship does better both efficiently and effectively at interdiction when protecting maritime territory and resources. Unless you consider a floating plane putting up a rig somewhere at the South Philippine Sea.:)

Bohol Guy

December 20th, 2011, 02:52 PM

I hope Pnoy is aware that Boeing got its most lucrative order from Indonesia. Few F-16s to them is a good token of exchange. 5j ordered an all airbus. The US always work with concessions. Indonesia is far off from the critical theatre of conflict which is the south china sea, the Philippines is. The country have way better military ties than Indonesia yet it is the least to be benefited with the hardware. Definitely, the F-16s can do a lot more security than those aging cutters. Just look at the photos of those ships and compare with an F-16, which one would you get.

I know something about those cutters, they are old and well worn. They were re-engined some years back. The hulls are thin. In the heavy swells of the Bering sea, the ship twists like a corkscrew. A number of these vessels have had major events including multiple engine room fires. The one you got has had several mishaps. One ship blew a turbine right out the side.

I hope the government got a good price on them.

litigs

December 20th, 2011, 03:57 PM

I would love to agree with you. But the State Department saw it otherwise. A naval ship does better both efficiently and effectively at interdiction when protecting maritime territory and resources. Unless you consider a floating plane putting up a rig somewhere at the South Philippine Sea.:)
Let's put it this this way, a squadron of F-16s in PPS and Laoag will mean a lot to the Chinese. Its disappointing enough many years ago that an old navy supply ship has to be retrofitted with a landing pad for a "huey" to be sent to the South China and exert sovereignty to this remote islands. Two F-16s can greatly extend the countries defense perimeter. The State Department is run by politicians who doesn't know enough about realities in the ground(and they clash with the joint chiefs of staffs) The threat is the Chinese, we should not wait for them to be visible from the coastline before they are stopped. They are warming up their aircraft carrier now.

arianespace

December 20th, 2011, 04:55 PM

Parchie

December 20th, 2011, 05:18 PM

arianespace

December 20th, 2011, 05:48 PM

I meant they never declared war to any State since the communist state was conceived in 1949. But I could be wrong on this assertions.

swahi

December 20th, 2011, 06:04 PM

I know something about those cutters, they are old and well worn. They were re-engined some years back. The hulls are thin. In the heavy swells of the Bering sea, the ship twists like a corkscrew. A number of these vessels have had major events including multiple engine room fires. The one you got has had several mishaps. One ship blew a turbine right out the side.

I hope the government got a good price on them.

These cutters are still better than our WW2 vintage boats, no matter how worn out they have been in their previous life. These boats can still flex their muscles on the chinese fishing boats that continue to poach in "our" South Philippine Sea. Let's not just get over our heads and use these boats head to head with any chinese naval vessel, though. Anyway, magaling naman ang pinoy sa tapak tapak method of fixing things.:nuts:

At least they can stay in the South Philippine Sea and do some patrols, versus getting some F16s and do only to a 10 minute fly by on the same area because of limited fuel budget. And if ever they need to scare off some chinese fishing boats, they surely won't use any missiles because of cost. I found out the prices, though, these are 1999 prices: Harpoon anti -ship: $527K. Maverick air to surface: $48-269K. Sidewinder air to air: $56K-84K. Sparrow medium air to air: $125K!

arianespace

December 20th, 2011, 06:16 PM

That could well be the position of Hillary Clinton and the US of A on our immediate needs.

majaba98

December 20th, 2011, 08:02 PM

I suppose these discussions belong to another thread guys. So please here back to Airlines, Airplanes and Airports.

What ever happened to SIA maintenance´s second hanger at Clark, was it already finished ?

bulabog jalaur

December 20th, 2011, 10:58 PM

3jH8g-qJK3w

I hope our airport here in the country could implement soon the EMAS :)

litigs

December 21st, 2011, 01:42 AM

These cutters are still better than our WW2 vintage boats, no matter how worn out they have been in their previous life. These boats can still flex their muscles on the chinese fishing boats that continue to poach in "our" South Philippine Sea. Let's not just get over our heads and use these boats head to head with any chinese naval vessel, though. Anyway, magaling naman ang pinoy sa tapak tapak method of fixing things.:nuts:

At least they can stay in the South Philippine Sea and do some patrols, versus getting some F16s and do only to a 10 minute fly by on the same area because of limited fuel budget. And if ever they need to scare off some chinese fishing boats, they surely won't use any missiles because of cost. I found out the prices, though, these are 1999 prices: Harpoon anti -ship: $527K. Maverick air to surface: $48-269K. Sidewinder air to air: $56K-84K. Sparrow medium air to air: $125K!
The point there is not engagement but rather interdiction. You need not fire an anti-ship missile to engage a fishing vessel even if it used for intelligence. All you need are the armour piercing cannons. That's the same cost as the OV-10s doing counter insurgency. Once the Chinese knows your air space defense capabilities and long range assets to check sovereign waters, I doubt they would frequently trespass the countries territories. The point being is cost effectiveness. How much labour and maintenance do you need to operate an aging cutter as opposed to keeping an effective deterrent like the F-16. PAF pilots can do the same job as their USAF counterparts since the treaty would allow for training. If those cutters are stationed at Pag-asa island, they would mean nothing to a superior navy. The F-16 can at least equalize. Here's one analogy during the attempted quo de etat during the time of the late Cory. A pair of F-4s from Clark showed up and that was enough to turn the tide against the mutineers. Did it fire a single shot?,No. The country should not be pressed further into self pity that it has no money to defend its airspace from agressors. Millions and billions are lost in corruption. Not being able to afford a decent tactical fighter won't make sense. Perhaps its about time Pnoy make good use of the saying - "if there's a will, there's a way".

thescene

December 21st, 2011, 04:04 AM

Qantas have come to an agreement with their engineers union on various issue. One of which is giving the airline the choice to do maintenance of their aircraft including the A380 abroad.

swahi

December 21st, 2011, 07:18 AM

The point there is not engagement but rather interdiction. You need not fire an anti-ship missile to engage a fishing vessel even if it used for intelligence. All you need are the armour piercing cannons. That's the same cost as the OV-10s doing counter insurgency. Once the Chinese knows your air space defense capabilities and long range assets to check sovereign waters, I doubt they would frequently trespass the countries territories. The point being is cost effectiveness. How much labour and maintenance do you need to operate an aging cutter as opposed to keeping an effective deterrent like the F-16. PAF pilots can do the same job as their USAF counterparts since the treaty would allow for training. If those cutters are stationed at Pag-asa island, they would mean nothing to a superior navy. The F-16 can at least equalize. Here's one analogy during the attempted quo de etat during the time of the late Cory. A pair of F-4s from Clark showed up and that was enough to turn the tide against the mutineers. Did it fire a single shot?,No. The country should not be pressed further into self pity that it has no money to defend its airspace from agressors. Millions and billions are lost in corruption. Not being able to afford a decent tactical fighter won't make sense. Perhaps its about time Pnoy make good use of the saying - "if there's a will, there's a way".

Unfortunately, there is no excess funds available for buying F16's, more so funds to operate them effectively. Those ageing boats can anchor off palawan or spratleys and stay there much much longer. And that ageing boat is still a lot better than what we presently have. But if the US will give the F16 for free, why not? Let's see how Pnoy makes good use of that saying you mentioned, because right now, Pnoy has been shying away from big capital expenditures.

Bottom line is that getting F16's will remain a dream for us. And its time to close the discussion on this, as suggested.

hybridace101

December 21st, 2011, 09:48 AM

habagatcentral1

December 21st, 2011, 12:33 PM

The Jumbos.
Your thoughts on CNN Go's Article?

Boeing 747-8 vs. Airbus A380 -- the airline giants face off (http://www.cnngo.com/explorations/life/boeing-747-8-and-airbus-a380-death-match-152563#ixzz1hATQokQU)

kingdiz_55

December 21st, 2011, 12:48 PM

^^ You have to understand that the A380 came out a couple of years back whist the 748i isn't even done with certification yet, hence the 748i has a slight lead in terms of technology. Another thing is that the 748i is a derivative of the 744 which we all know is successful, since Boeing has had decades to perfect everything while the A380 is a new plane altogether.

litigs

December 21st, 2011, 01:55 PM

On another note, I managed to get a ticket today at MNL's SIA office. While online bookings are good, there is nothing like a human touch and the site of traditional paper documents. Not to mention one less line at the airport. ;)
Yes, I want to get hold of that mini booklet packed nicely like a brochure. Way back when, holding this piece of precious paper brings you pride. I'm glad I kept some of them. Is there a collectors value for this?. I have PAL and Asain Spirit. Hard to sell them though, quite sentimental.

hybridace101

December 21st, 2011, 04:03 PM

Actually it was an e-ticket receipt but presented in a nice SQ jacket. The jacket looks outdated saying the automated ticket still needs to be presented (conditions of carriage is glued to it).

skyskimmer

December 22nd, 2011, 02:12 AM

ecureilx

December 22nd, 2011, 08:31 AM

Unfortunately, there is no excess funds available for buying F16's, more so funds to operate them effectively.

As an outsider, having seen the wealth of $ held by a small circle or rich people and the amount of businesses they control, or get involved in even if they don't put a single peso, I believe there is more than enough money supposedly coming from such projects, .. but, somehow always the 'inserted' third party gets in the Partnership seems to get a large share of the profit, and leaves the govt coffers with much less .. and then the fight for funds start .. or did I see something wrong ?? :D :D

Example: the recent court order for airlines to pay the over time for Customs officers .. well, atleast one airline guy was mumbling what the hell happens with the layers and layers of taxes and service fees and more and and more being charged by the airport operators .. and he went on to say "oh, wait, that money goes to one pocket, customs is another pocket - we must ask for itemised billing for every payment or better we stop flying to MNL .. and save $$$$"

swahi

December 22nd, 2011, 09:01 AM

^^ careful careful! There are people who gets ambushed by revealing too much:lol:

Pnoy's daang matuwid? It doesn't look straight with the above mentioned government department. And it continues up to this day. They just found a way to maintain their required quotas to the philippine government AND their pants pockets, AND their shirt pockets, AND their clutch bag, AND their desk drawers....

Bohol Guy

December 22nd, 2011, 11:19 AM

This will be interesting if it happens. A 747 freighter will land at CGY bringing relief supplies.

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/2011/12/tnts-boeing-747-to-land-cgy-direct.html

dayanadayang

December 22nd, 2011, 12:46 PM

^^
So interesting indeed. from DXB to CGY direct!...pak na pak! :cheers:

Bohol Guy

December 22nd, 2011, 01:24 PM

That approach into Lumbia is tricky enough with a A320. If the runway at the new airport could be used I would wonder if they would land there? Much better for a 747.

HANG_tod

December 22nd, 2011, 02:30 PM

B-747 parin ako, gaya gaya lang ang airbus, at maraming kano na aeronautical engineers na nagdesign dyan sa mga planes ng airbus.
panget ang airbus a380,kong di lang malaki,titingnan mo parehas lang siya ng ordinaryong plae, mas maganda pa ang beluga ng airbus

skyskimmer

December 22nd, 2011, 03:05 PM

This will be interesting if it happens. A 747 freighter will land at CGY bringing relief supplies.

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/2011/12/tnts-boeing-747-to-land-cgy-direct.html

interesting it is! can Lumbia Airport's 2,454 meter runway accommodate a 747...with 200 metric tons of cargo? if it can the next question will be, is the tarmac up to the challenge of holding a 747, with its huge size?

or will they just use Laguindingan Airport?

litigs

December 22nd, 2011, 03:29 PM

As an outsider, having seen the wealth of $ held by a small circle or rich people and the amount of businesses they control, or get involved in even if they don't put a single peso, I believe there is more than enough money supposedly coming from such projects, .. but, somehow always the 'inserted' third party gets in the Partnership seems to get a large share of the profit, and leaves the govt coffers with much less .. and then the fight for funds start .. or did I see something wrong ?? :D :D

Example: the recent court order for airlines to pay the over time for Customs officers .. well, atleast one airline guy was mumbling what the hell happens with the layers and layers of taxes and service fees and more and and more being charged by the airport operators .. and he went on to say "oh, wait, that money goes to one pocket, customs is another pocket - we must ask for itemised billing for every payment or better we stop flying to MNL .. and save $$$$"
No Asian country is exempt from corruption, obviously, the ones doing it less are the ones who are more prosperous and are able to a afford at least a lean force for external defense. The country has the best airforce after the Vietnam War. Look where it is now. I don't know how many more prospects will join PAF if not using it as a stepping stone for the airline job.

litigs

December 22nd, 2011, 03:31 PM

interesting it is! can Lumbia Airport's 2,454 meter runway accommodate a 747...with 200 metric tons of cargo? if it can the next question will be, is the tarmac up to the challenge of holding a 747, with its huge size?

or will they just use Laguindingan Airport?
Yes it can at the right weight and weather conditions. Temperature is critical due to its elevation.

Bohol Guy

December 22nd, 2011, 03:32 PM

I'm not sure there is enough side clearance for a 747. Also as of the last time I flew into Lumbia, there was a small hill across from terminal.

If they decide to go in there, what happens to the other flights? I don't think there is enough room to park the jumbo and still have other flights come in and out.

I am leaning towards Laguindingan.

ecureilx

December 22nd, 2011, 03:58 PM

Actually, in another country, on a disaster releif, a 747 did land, on a 2,000 plus meter runway .. since, at arrival the plane is light on fuel ..

Upon departure there was a tech stop to refuel ... since, per calculation, if the plane had been refueled fully, it wouldn't have had the distance to depart safely, even empty...

skyskimmer

December 22nd, 2011, 04:12 PM

mikem488

December 22nd, 2011, 07:42 PM

A new CebuPacific dancing flight attendent is out. This time they are dancing to Mariah Carey's Christmas song.

It is not on youtube yet. Go to

smh.com.au

then scroll down to the travel section
. Sydney Morning Herald

berdee

December 22nd, 2011, 09:14 PM

jameskirk O

December 23rd, 2011, 12:20 AM

skyskimmer

December 23rd, 2011, 01:27 AM

I LOVE CEBU PACIFIC AIR

http://flickr.com/photos/6556374557_d9e0ef4404_b.jpg
http://flickr.com/photos/6556374687_a3cd60b801_b.jpg
http://flickr.com/photos/6556374807_657201ff94_b.jpg

I LOVE CEBU PACIFIC AIR
:banana::banana::banana:

sana gawin ulit ng CebPac ang ginagawa nila dati sa mga aircrafts nila, add splashes of color here and there.

HondaFTW

December 23rd, 2011, 02:52 AM

sana gawin ulit ng CebPac ang ginagawa nila dati sa mga aircrafts nila, add splashes of color here and there.

PAL should do that too...

Parchie

December 23rd, 2011, 05:06 AM

It would do CebuPac best if they make sure their flight schedules are not delayed due to aircraft problems! I just been through a 5-hour wait inside an airport yesterday, 22nd of December. Some foreign tourists-passenger complained and only then did the ground crew thought of giving snacks to cool things down!

dashalvin

December 23rd, 2011, 06:50 AM

catuira

December 23rd, 2011, 08:16 AM

Jet Star A320 @Changi Airport Terminal 1

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7169/6554360201_8f6600c3bf_z.jpg

Inflatable Playground @Changi Terminal 3
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7004/6554358289_4b8bc5a3a2_z.jpg

wynngd

December 23rd, 2011, 08:22 AM

I LOVE CEBU PACIFIC AIR

http://flickr.com/photos/6556374557_d9e0ef4404_b.jpg
http://flickr.com/photos/6556374687_a3cd60b801_b.jpg
http://flickr.com/photos/6556374807_657201ff94_b.jpg

I LOVE CEBU PACIFIC AIR
:banana::banana::banana:

^^ Pwede po malaman kung saan nakakabili ng ganto??? tagak ko na hanap ng scale model ng mga eroplano... I'm looking for A380...

jameskirk O

December 23rd, 2011, 08:46 AM

^^ Pwede po malaman kung saan nakakabili ng ganto??? tagak ko na hanap ng scale model ng mga eroplano... I'm looking for A380...

sir, sa pilipinas makakabili ka sa SPECIAL TOY CENTER ang mga branches ay sa ali mall cubao,greenhills,sm city north edsa, trinoma mall,festival mall alabang at yun main branch ay nasa sta cruz manila yun website nila ay www.specialtoycenter.com...... but this cebu pacific DC-9-30 ay binili ko thru on-line. try mo visit this website www.airplaneshop.com or www.jetwaymodels.com and you may also try www.flyingmule.com. based on my experience this website are safe just use your credit card and follow the instructions..........

jameskirk O

December 23rd, 2011, 09:44 AM

http://flickr.com/photos/6558254273_003b19f6bf_b.jpg
http://flickr.com/photos/6558254347_eff66e158b_b.jpg

:banana::banana::banana:

wynngd

December 23rd, 2011, 10:12 AM

sir, sa pilipinas makakabili ka sa SPECIAL TOY CENTER ang mga branches ay sa ali mall cubao,greenhills,sm city north edsa, trinoma mall,festival mall alabang at yun main branch ay nasa sta cruz manila yun website nila ay www.specialtoycenter.com...... but this cebu pacific DC-9-30 ay binili ko thru on-line. try mo visit this website www.airplaneshop.com or www.jetwaymodels.com and you may also try www.flyingmule.com. based on my experience this website are safe just use your credit card and follow the instructions..........

Salamat ng marami sa Info!!! :cheers:

dashalvin

December 23rd, 2011, 10:34 AM

^^ I like that tropical livery of 5j. Nicely design! Hope they will do this again. :)

jameskirk O

December 23rd, 2011, 10:36 AM

Salamat ng marami sa Info!!! :cheers:

you're welcome....:cheers::cheers::cheers:

tunatuna

December 23rd, 2011, 10:45 AM

no matter what they say, still the 747-8I for me :banana:

same here...

Parchie

December 23rd, 2011, 10:49 AM

What is happening to 5j? It seems that flight delays are frequent this week.
Honestly, they don't wanna share info to their patronizing passengers! I called CebuPac office yesterday so many times and nobody answered. I asked my wife at her office to do the calling for me and only MCIAA answered: "they changed plane because the schedule aircraft experienced mechanical problems", nothing more.

dashalvin

December 23rd, 2011, 10:51 AM

same here...

count me in there... :)

skyskimmer

December 23rd, 2011, 11:20 AM

What is happening to 5j? It seems that flight delays are frequent this week.

and they previously advertised themselves changing the Filipino time concept.
i can still remember their ads on tv a few years back.

hybridace101

December 23rd, 2011, 12:28 PM

Just to ask, which foreign carriers still adopt Filipino as one of their languages? I know DL and EK do but it's a pitty CX does not do it anymore. Ironic since they use Mandarin on flights to SIN and more people there understand English better relative to their population.

bcanieso

December 23rd, 2011, 01:04 PM

Legazpi - Masbate and Legazpi - Virac po. Obviously Legazpi po ang hub. Initially they are offering chartered flights and will be offering regular flights to those destinations soon.

Eto po yung aircraft na gagamitin nila. Maliliit lang. Mga 20 seater siguro.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/382905_309789085710895_303364103020060_1003416_1191627783_n.jpg

South West Air Corporation (https://www.facebook.com/pages/South-West-Air-Corporation-Philippines/303364103020060)

The BN-2A can only carry 2 crew plus 8 passengers...

habagatcentral1

December 23rd, 2011, 05:44 PM

Has this been posted here?
I guess this was in HKG involving Cebu Pacific and the ground crew of Chep Lap Kok...it is somehow disturbing.
VOP9fwnE4yY

dayanadayang

December 23rd, 2011, 08:33 PM

Has this been posted here?
I guess this was in HKG involving Cebu Pacific and the ground crew of Chep Lap Kok...it is somehow disturbing.
VOP9fwnE4yY

:ohno: have there been cases of baggage lost with cebu pacific? This is so disgusting.

habagatcentral1

December 23rd, 2011, 09:16 PM

mwg12a

December 23rd, 2011, 11:07 PM

^^ I don't think these ground crew are directly under CebPac though, hired by HKG airport. Lost baggage are also reported in many airlines, even the flag carrier itself.

That is why, I always declare "fragile" everytime I have a baggage checked-in or just hand-carry fragile things rather.

Good Luck on that, half of the time they don't even read or can't see any "fragile" sign or writing in our luggages unless it is obviously something expensive the managers are aware about or a "vital organs" that is being transported to medical facilities, otherwise, they'd grab and toss it.They do have a tough job though, i know that's not an excuse, they are bound to commit that same offense especially if the day is going longer for them...

mwg12a

December 23rd, 2011, 11:12 PM

sana gawin ulit ng CebPac ang ginagawa nila dati sa mga aircrafts nila, add splashes of color here and there.

PAL should do that too...

Oh God no!!! I think those are really ugly. I never liked it in any of the asian carriers that does it, I wouldn't like it in any airline or airplane liveries. It would be better if the Philippine carriers should just improve their services instead, so, they can truely be competitive.

dayanadayang

December 23rd, 2011, 11:46 PM

^^
I don't like it in PAL livery too.

I like it plain white with "Philippines" mark on it in really dark blue coloured letters.

skyskimmer

December 24th, 2011, 01:45 AM

Oh God no!!! I think those are really ugly. I never liked it in any of the asian carriers that does it, I wouldn't like it in any airline or airplane liveries. It would be better if the Philippine carriers should just improve their services instead, so, they can truely be competitive.

well, the repaint could come after the improvements. for example, a new livery (or paint an aircraft a special livery) could be part of PAL's rebranding, which it terribly needs considering its string of unfortunate events these past few years (maybe after CAT 1 and removal from EU blacklist).

and for CebPac, special liveries aren't that bad. in fact, that's what they should be doing, since CebPac is an LCC...that's the trend nowadays. AirAsia, Nok Air, Kulula...they have special liveries for their planes.

Mercato

December 24th, 2011, 02:26 AM

Even if we have squadrons of them, or dozens of frigates, we can never match the strength of the Chinese. None in Asia can. Japan or Korea's insecurity is well founded for a reason. The consolation there however is that there is no recorded history for the Chinese other than Mongolia as the aggressor in the 20th century. Do note however that China was Mongolia during the reigns of Genghis Khan.I meant they never declared war to any State since the communist state was conceived in 1949. But I could be wrong on this assertions.Battle of Chamdo, Oct 1950. Better known as the Invasion of Tibet by the People's Republic of China.

1979. Third Indochina War. China tried to invade Vietnam with 400,000 PLA infantry and approx 400 tanks but it made a bloody mistake on this one. :lol:

The red dragon does bite, and it bites those it perceives as the weakest. Tibet in 1950 was perceived as the weakest soft target back then... Now in the 21st century and thanks to our corrupt leaders, it is a perception that the Philippines seems to be striving for.

eonynx

December 24th, 2011, 02:44 AM

^^the fiery dragon had also infuriated the gentle elephant fairly recently. china thinks this part of the world is its sphere of influence or worse, its extended territory.

-----

Fantasy frontiers
May 18th 2011, 12:25 by The Economist online

Fantasy frontiers
May 18th 2011, 12:25 by The Economist online

Disputed borders are both a cause and a symptom of tensions between big neighbours in South Asia. When the colonial power, Britain, withdrew from India it left a dangerous legacy of carelessly or arbitrarily drawn borders. Tensions between India and China flare on occasion, especially along India’s far north-eastern border, along the state of Arunachal Pradesh. In recent years Chinese officials have taken to calling part of the same area “South Tibet”, to Indian fury, as that seems to imply a Chinese claim to the territory. A failure to agree the precise border, and then to demarcate it, ensures that future disagreements may flare again.

Pakistan, too, is beset by difficult borders. Afghanistan, to the north, has long been a hostile neighbour. This is largely because Afghanistan refuses to recognise the frontier—known as the Durand line—between the countries, drawn by the British.

Most contentious of all, however, are the borders in Kashmir, where Pakistan, India and China all have competing claims. By the time of independence, in 1947, it was clear that many Indian Muslims were determined to break off from Hindu-majority India. It fell to a British civil servant, who knew nothing of the region, to draw a line of partition between territory that would become Pakistan and India. Pakistan was given Muslim dominated areas in the far north west, plus territory in the east (which itself got independence as Bangladesh in 1971). The rulers of some disputed areas, notably Kashmir, were told to choose which country to join.

While Kashmir’s Hindu rulers prevaricated, hoping somehow to become an independent country, Pakistan’s leaders decided to force the issue. Since Kashmir was (and is) a Muslim majority territory, Pakistan felt justified in seeing Pushtun warlords charge in from the north-west of Pakistan, late in 1947, to seize control of Kashmir. In response India, apparently invited by Kashmir’s rulers, deployed its national army and stopped the invaders taking Srinagar, Kashmir’s capital, located in the Kashmir valley, the most coveted part of the territory. The resulting line of control, by and large, remains the de-facto international frontier within Kashmir and, in effect, is accepted by Paksitan and India. Huge numbers of Indian and Pakistani soldiers remain in Kashmir today as both countries profess to be the rightful authority for the rest of Kashmir.

Complicating matters, China has also extended its influence, and control, over portions of Kashmir, largely with the support of Pakistan, an ally.

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http://www.economist.com/blogs/dailychart/2011/05/indian_pakistani_and_chinese_border_disputes

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china is taking advantage of the volatility in the pakistani-indian regions to stake a territorial claim. it's about time india learns to shed a bit of its gentle elephant image and adopt some characteristics of its famed bengal tigers.

sonnyville

December 24th, 2011, 02:49 AM

^ don't we have a forum dedicated to our politics and military?

HondaFTW

December 24th, 2011, 02:55 AM

^^ I don't think these ground crew are directly under CebPac though, hired by HKG airport. Lost baggage are also reported in many airlines, even the flag carrier itself.

Here's another one...also in HKG
XgbsLD6qu34

That is why, I always declare "fragile" everytime I have a baggage checked-in or just hand-carry fragile things rather.

I posted this video on a different thread but what I saw in Changi was much worse. Boarding took forever so passengers seated in the front of the plane could watch the ground workers put in the luggageb. I don't know if those 4 52" plasma TV's survived.

Mercato

December 24th, 2011, 07:05 AM

^ don't we have a forum dedicated to our politics and military?We are quite aware of it as well as you do, however since the relative tameness of the red dragon was raised, one need not be too pedantic, see.

dayanadayang

December 24th, 2011, 08:38 AM

I posted this video on a different thread but what I saw in Changi was much worse. Boarding took forever so passengers seated in the fri of the plane could watch the ground workers put in the luggageb. I don't know if those 4 52" plasma TV's survived.

One time when I was coming home from DXB, I was bringing along with me a brand new 14" viewsonic computer flat screen inside the cabin. I did not check it in the baggage allowance. :lol:

HANG_tod

December 24th, 2011, 09:14 AM

^^ I don't think these ground crew are directly under CebPac though, hired by HKG airport. Lost baggage are also reported in many airlines, even the flag carrier itself.

Here's another one...also in HKG
XgbsLD6qu34

That is why, I always declare "fragile" everytime I have a baggage checked-in or just hand-carry fragile things rather.

^^singapore to, may indian at malay na kasama,yung mga head dyanay chinese, sa hongkong walang indian at malay

Ph Man

December 24th, 2011, 09:16 AM

mCx2

December 24th, 2011, 09:18 AM

:ohno: have there been cases of baggage lost with cebu pacific? This is so disgusting.

This happens all the time worldwide.One time I travelled to KL-Mla-Dvo-MLa-Syd-Adl with a fishing rod I bought from KL.It was separately checked-in through a special counter(most airports do).There was no damage to the product until I reached home in Adelaide(my fishing rod snapped into two pieces).I found the culprits-Sydney and Adelaide airport baggage handlers.
these guys don't care about your belongings as they are not their's.

some reasons why baggage are lost are inattentive baggage handlers and travellers leaving old airline stickers to their luggages that may confuse baggage handlers as to the bags destination.

Ph Man

December 24th, 2011, 09:32 AM

^^singapore to, may indian at malay na kasama,yung mga head dyanay chinese, sa hongkong walang indian at malay

That makes sense. Look at these HKIA crew:
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5046/5287724737_81b462c507_z.jpg

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5241/5287784011_307e3f16b9.jpg

pi_malejana

December 24th, 2011, 09:36 AM

^^ so the one who took the video was lying??:dunno: on the description it says 5J150, which is a CRK-HKG flight...:?

dayanadayang

December 24th, 2011, 09:39 AM

It's 14" so it's fine to bring it along to cabin. But what I'm wondering is whether customs asked you to pay for duties or not? They almost taxed me for a phone I bought overseas. Cost of which is less than $100.

Thank goodness, the customs at NAIA just ignored the box. :lol:
I did not declare it on the immigration form either. :)

mCx2

December 24th, 2011, 11:13 AM

the best thing to do with electronic goods and some small goods like digital cameras and mobile phones is to throw away the original box (keep the receipts and warranty cards)and keep it in a different box and declare it as used items to be given as gifts.Customs worldwide charge in-coming goods purchased overseas unless if you declare it as personal items.

HondaFTW

December 24th, 2011, 11:15 AM

^^singapore to, may indian at malay na kasama,yung mga head dyanay chinese, sa hongkong walang indian at malay

That's Hong Kong. They also have Indians and Malays at HK...

HondaFTW

December 24th, 2011, 11:16 AM

Merry Christmas Forumers of the "Airlines, Airplanes and Airports Thread"!!
Maligayang Pasko!!!!!!

RLLpRLPhacs

Merry Christmas from Mikey Bustos ^^

:dance:
:cheers: :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

dayanadayang

December 24th, 2011, 01:23 PM

HondaFTW

December 24th, 2011, 03:22 PM

^^ so the one who took the video was lying??:dunno: on the description it says 5J150, which is a CRK-HKG flight...:?

Nope he was right. That is Hong Kong.

HondaFTW

December 24th, 2011, 03:26 PM

That makes sense. Look at these HKIA crew:
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5046/5287724737_81b462c507_z.jpg

http://farm6.staticflickr.com/5241/5287784011_307e3f16b9.jpg

The fact is you cannot use containers like those, on small aircraft like the A320. That's why the unexpected happens. I just wish that they handle luggage better.

skyskimmer

December 24th, 2011, 06:41 PM

Boeing, Port of Everett Welcome Shipment of Parts for 1,000th 777
Emirates Airline to receive 1,000th Boeing 777 in March 2012

EVERETT, Wash., Dec.15, 2011 /PRNewswire via COMTEX/ -- Boeing BA -0.43% and the Port of Everett today celebrated the arrival of the first shipment of parts for Boeing's 1,000th 777 from Mitsubishi Heavy Industries, Ltd., Hiroshima, Japan. The shipment, including body panels, was received at the Port of Everett's Mount Baker Terminal, which handles all the oversized airplane parts for the 777 program.

"As the nation's largest exporter in the nation's most trade-dependent state, Boeing's success hinges on smoothly running operations to deliver airplanes reliably to customers around the world," said Larry Loftis, vice president and general manager 777 program.

"The port system is an important part of our operations network. We are grateful for the Port of Everett's support to keep parts and materials efficiently flowing to our factories, which directly links to keeping Boeing and Washington State competitive and restoring the region's economy," he said.

The parts arrive at the Port's deep-water shipping terminals, and are staged and distributed based on the manufacturing needs of the program. The parts are shipped on a barge to the Mount Baker Terminal, which opened in 2008. Then they are transferred to a railroad car for shipment to Boeing. The rail line operates up the steepest operating grade - 5.7 percent - in North America.

"The Port of Everett has partnered with Boeing on the supply chain logistics for the 777 since day one," said John Mohr, Port of Everett executive director. "Over the years, Boeing and the Port of Everett have grown and adapted together. We are proud to be a part of this historic milestone, and look forward to supporting Boeing's expanding business now and into the future," he said.

Mitsubishi is one of five Japanese structures suppliers that provide parts to the 777 program. The others are: Kawasaki Heavy Industries, Ltd., Gifu, Japan; Fuji Heavy Industries, Ltd., Utsunomiya, Japan; NIPPI Corp., Yokohama, Japan; and ShinMaywa, Kobe, Japan.

SOURCE Boeing

Copyright (C) 2011 PR Newswire. All rights reserved

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/boeing-port-of-everett-welcome-shipment-of-parts-for-1000th-777-2011-12-15

^^ cheers to Boeing and the Triple 7! :banana:

hybridace101

December 25th, 2011, 06:03 AM

That's Hong Kong. They also have Indians and Malays at HK...

Yup, that was HKG. If you look closely, the truck is labelled SATS HK. Also, the many aircraft tails that have a CX logo (CX usually has at most 2 at a time in SIN).

Back to the baggage, that background music just made things irreverently funny. But the way the baggage was handled was just disgusting. :doh: Yes we understand it can be back-breaking but I'm sure these handlers knew what they were getting themselves into when they signed-up for the job.

kingdiz_55

December 25th, 2011, 06:51 AM

As for baggage handling, I found this: http://lifehacker.com/5868832/buy-a-four+wheeler-suitcase-to-avoid-damage-to-your-luggage-and-belongings

mCx2

December 25th, 2011, 09:17 AM

As I did, I brought in the monitor still in it's original box. :)

lucky you they didn't take notice of it.:)

evilgenius15

December 26th, 2011, 07:21 AM

SSC pips, patulong naman po sa pagsagot at pag disseminate ng survey namin for thesis,
target namin respondents ay from the general public, so kahit sino pwedeng sumagot :)

Applicability of Unconventional Transit Systems in selected Metropolitan Areas in the Philippines (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?hl=en_US&formkey=dGVHX3pqRnJEV2NLeUJlN2ZXNkVON3c6MQ#gid=0)

merry xmas! and thanks in advance! :)

skyskimmer

December 26th, 2011, 02:57 PM

Cathay may soon fly out of Clark
Carrier wants direct flights to HK, China
By: Paolo G. Montecillo
Philippine Daily Inquirer
12:24 am | Friday, December 16th, 2011

Hong Kong’s Cathay Pacific, one of the world’s largest airlines, may start flying out of the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport (DMIA) in Clark Freeport, Pampanga.
Clark Development Corp. president and CEO Felipe Remollo said officials from the Chinese airline were in town earlier this week to discuss the possibility of daily flights from Clark.
“They are considering direct flights to Hong Kong and other cities in China. They want daily flights,” he said in an interview Thursday.
The largest
If plans push through, Cathay Pacific would be the largest airline to fly out of Clark, which is being groomed as the next premiere international gateway to replace the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) in Metro Manila.
DMIA is currently used mainly by local and international budget carriers.
Cebu Pacific of the Gokongwei group has named Clark as one of its three major hubs in the country, the other two being Manila and Cebu.
Malaysian giant Air Asia, through its newly formed subsidiary Air Asia Philippines, and Southeast Asian Airlines (SEAir), have also chosen Clark for their own hubs.
Several foreign airlines also call Clark their home in the Philippines.
These include Korea’s Aseana Airlines. Remollo said the increase in flights to Clark would help decongest NAIA, which is struggling with aging facilities and rapidly increasing passenger traffic.
More convenient
He said Clark is also a more convenient facility for people living in northern parts of Metro Manila all the way to provinces like Tarlac, Pangasinan, and Ilocos Sur and Norte.
“If you look at that catchment area, it accounts for about 25 million people. If someone living there needs to take a flight out of the country, it will be better to get to Clark than to go all the way to Pasay,” he said.
Cathay Pacific will be taking advantage of the government’s adoption of an “open skies” policy, which is part of the administration’s strategy to increase tourist arrivals to the Philippines.
‘Open skies’
The “open skies” policy, outlined by President Aquino in Executive Order 29, which was signed earlier this year, liberalizes the granting of international air rights for all points outside of Manila.
The government now expects to attract 10 million tourists annually to the Philippines by 2016.
This was a revision from the previous target of six million. Last year, just over three million foreigners visited the Philippines.

http://business.inquirer.net/35341/cathay-may-soon-fly-out-of-clark

^^CX at CRK? oh yeah! :)

mwg12a

December 27th, 2011, 01:20 AM

This is probably because HK is enjoying filipino tourist who visits HK for leisure travel aside from OFWs to HK. It just makes a lot of sense to have CX ops in Clark considering the sizeable travelers from northern Luzon and North of Metro Manila, it would be how Asianna have NAIA and Clark operations, only that HK has higher yield than Icheon. We can see the trend even in MCIA and DVO where there are many filipino travelers to and from HK... That's a win-win situation IMO... Those with other international travels from the same area would benefit from these via Clark, I think PAL or AirPhil should also consider tapping this market as well.

hybridace101

December 27th, 2011, 03:17 AM

He said Clark is also a more convenient facility for people living in northern parts of Metro Manila all the way to provinces like Tarlac, Pangasinan, and Ilocos Sur and Norte.
“If you look at that catchment area, it accounts for about 25 million people. If someone living there needs to take a flight out of the country, it will be better to get to Clark than to go all the way to Pasay,” he said.

That's from the north. How about from the south where Region 4 is the MOST populous region in the country? And I would say it would slightly benefit them and I have to emphasise slightly because Ilocos Norte is still far, still quite far that it even has its own airport to have flights to MNL and occasionally China.

Fraulein

December 27th, 2011, 05:06 AM

Fraulein

December 27th, 2011, 05:07 AM

SEAIR gets OK to form new company
abs-cbnNEWS.com

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/business/12/26/11/seair-gets-ok-form-new-companyseair-gets-ok-form-new-company

MANILA - Homegrown South East Asian Airlines (SEAIR) has secured regulators' approval to form a new company in a bid to keep its leisure airline business as it transforms into a budget carrier.

SEAIR President Avelino Zapanta says the spin-off company will be named SEAIR International, which flies to leisure destinations such as Boracay, Basco (Batanes), and Vigan (Ilocos Sur).

The old SEAIR, meanwhile, mounts regional flights to Singapore, Hong Kong and Macau, among others.

The move comes as the airline company prepares for the entry of Tiger Air, Singapore's budget carrier.

Zapanta says his company is negotiating for Tiger Air to buy 32.5% of SEAIR for US$6 million.

Once the deal is sealed, SEAIR will be rebranded, he adds.

SEAIR currently operates with 6 aircrafts. - ANC

hybridace101

December 27th, 2011, 07:55 AM

PAL may resume direct flights to New Delhi
abs-cbnNEWS.com

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/business/12/26/11/pal-may-resume-direct-flights-new-delhi

MANILA, Philippines - Philippine Airlines (PAL) will explore the possibility of resuming direct flights to New Delhi, India next year.

Low demand had prompted PAL to stop direct flights to New Delhi last October 27, but continues to transport passengers to New Delhi through Bangkok..

"We stopped our direct flights to India. The load factor for New Delhi direct flights is only 50 percent while via Bangkok is 70 percent. We will see in March next year if we will resume our direct flights but in the meantime we will develop the market while mounting via Bangkok route," said PAL president Jaime Bautista.

There used to be 3 non-stop flights between Manila and New Delhi, and 3 flights routed through Bangkok. A non-stop flight from Manila to New Delhi takes 6.5 hours, while the flight with a Bangkok stopover takes 8 hours.

PAL first flew to India in 1994 but discontinued it. It only resumed its service between Manila and New Delhi on March 27, 2011.

IMO, the problem from the beginning is the destination itself. DEL is a smaller destination compared to BOM. I knew this was going to be challenging for them just like what happened with BNE and to some extent RUH. Assuming Cat 1 is restored on the PH, I would be inclined to believe destinations like SEA, JFK and even SAN will be problematic for PR. The common thing about BNE, RUH and DEL is that within 6-7 months of operation, PR had to cut back. Since NGO, I don't know of an international destination that PR has introduced and sustained.

the glimpser

December 27th, 2011, 11:55 AM

Philippines to establish direct air link with Cambodia

By: Paolo G. Montecillo
Philippine Daily Inquirer 12:17 am
Tuesday, December 27th, 2011

The country’s airlines will soon fly straight to destinations in Cambodia, one of the few members of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations that do not have direct air links with the Philippines.

During a board meeting held earlier this month, the Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB) gave four airlines the signal to mount a total of 21 weekly flights between various points in Cambodia and the Philippines.

The entitlements are a result of a 2009 air deal between Manila and Phnom Penh, paving the way for the establishment of direct air links between the two countries.

In its board meeting, the CAB gave Cebu Pacific five flights a week from Manila to points of its choice in Cambodia. Two flights were given to budget carrier Zest Airways, while AirPhil Express, the low-cost arm of flag carrier Philippine Airlines, was granted seven.
http://business.inquirer.net/37223/philippines-to-establish-direct-air-link-with-cambodia

sivah

December 27th, 2011, 12:22 PM

Emirates SkyCargo cites Philippine services
December 26, 2011, 3:10am
Manila Bulletin (http://mb.com.ph/node/346067/emirate)

MANILA, Philippines — Emirates SkyCargo, the freight division of Emirates airline, is helping the Philippines meet the challenges of the global economic downturn and maximize the strong demand for its electronic products.

Rusela Romero-Rubin, Emirates' Cargo Manager in the Philippines, said that even against the backdrop of tough global economic conditions, the country’s billion-dollar electronics industry is still performing well and the air freight export market is buoyant.

“Even during an uncertain time for the world economy and the air cargo industry, the demand for our services in the Philippines remains strong,” said Romero-Rubin. “Speed to market is important in the electronics industry and, with two Emirates flights a day; our customers know they can rely on us to quickly connect their goods to businesses across our network of more than 110 destinations.”

“Emirates SkyCargo is committed to facilitating international trade between businesses in the Philippines and their import and export partners and helping them prosper during this challenging time.”

“With swift and reliable connections to hundreds of other points through an extensive system of interline and overland freight associates, Emirates SkyCargo looks forward to contributing further to the country’s sustained growth,” added Romero-Rubin.

Emirates SkyCargo's operations in the Philippines have grown from strength to strength since it first started operations in June 1990. Emirates operates two passenger flights per day and in the belly-hold of a Boeing 777-300ER which serves the route, up to 320 tonnes of cargo can be transported in each direction every week.

Emirates SkyCargo connects businesses in the Philippines with many points on its network of 116 destinations. Germany, the UK, Austria and the United States are among the most popular markets. In addition to electronics - such as semiconductors, components/devices and integrated circuits - frozen seafoods, aircraft parts and live fish are being exported.

Goods being imported into the Philippines – including pharmaceuticals, fashion garments, spare parts for cars and ships, machinery tools and alcoholic beverages – come from a number of destinations, with Germany, the UK, Turkey, the Netherlands, Spain and Italy the main trading partners.

Sky Harbor

December 27th, 2011, 01:01 PM

Philippines to establish direct air link with Cambodia

By: Paolo G. Montecillo
Philippine Daily Inquirer 12:17 am
Tuesday, December 27th, 2011

http://business.inquirer.net/37223/philippines-to-establish-direct-air-link-with-cambodia

I wonder how many entitlements the CAB has granted to PR. It gave entitlements to 5J, 2P, Z2 and PQ, but I wonder if the 2P entitlements are shared with PR, or if PR has separate entitlements.

majaba98

December 27th, 2011, 05:28 PM

I wonder how many entitlements the CAB has granted to PR. It gave entitlements to 5J, 2P, Z2 and PQ, but I wonder if the 2P entitlements are shared with PR, or if PR has separate entitlements.

I don´t think PR is interested, "P´s enough.

mikem488

December 27th, 2011, 06:13 PM

I don´t think PR is interested, "P´s enough.

It was written on wikipedia for the past two or three years that Philippine Airlines wanted to go to Cambodia. Tickets will be cheaper with Philexpress.

kiretoce

December 27th, 2011, 10:11 PM

PR's "Fiesta Video" promo ad.

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habagatcentral1

December 27th, 2011, 11:50 PM

PR's "Fiesta Video" promo ad.

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May mali...actually a lot. Hopefully it'll be corrected.
But good effort for PAL though. :okay:

kiretoce

December 28th, 2011, 01:12 AM

^^ You can post a comment on their YouTube page concerning the error(s): http://www.youtube.com/user/flypaltv. :colgate:

skyskimmer

December 28th, 2011, 04:43 AM

Idiocy at the NAIA Control Tower
SUNDAY, AUGUST 17, 2008

I guess I can cross off one entry on my "things to experience before I die" since my plane almost collided with another plane.

Ok, that sounds a bit melodramatic - it wasn't like it was just a few meters away. Hardly. I was on my way back to Manila from Singapore and we were on our final landing approach already at NAIA. You know the drill: the plane enters the landing corridor, slows to landing speed, deploys the landing gear, and glides the plane down. Easy as pie.

I was half-awake when we just finished slowing to landing speed (I didn't get good sleep the previous night) when suddenly I felt and heard the plane's engines go from a dull roar to a loud shriek and the angle went from a gentle glide to an abrupt 50-degree rise. As my consciousness roared back into being, three thoughts popped in my head in this order:

1. This obviously isn't normal...are we in a bloody combat situation and we're avoiding SAMs?
2. This is an Airbus A340...there's no way we can avoid a SAM.
3. This is just bloody cool!

Yes, I'm weird. Chalk it up to all the books I read from the spy masters Clancy, Ludlum, Forsyth.

Anyway, this lasted for about 1 minute or so then the plane just went back to it's normal state...you know, it had levelled off and the engines were down to a muted roar. After a couple of more seconds, the pilot announced the following:

"Hello everyone. My apologies for the abrupt climb you just experienced. We were on our final landing approach as advised by the tower when we saw that there was a plane about to take off from our runway, so we had no choice but to abort the landing and try again. We'll be delayed by about 7 minutes because of this....incident."

I just HAD to laugh. Seriously. How the hell does someone who's seated on the highest point in the aiport MISS a friggin' 747-400 that's parked on the bloody RUNWAY!?!?!?

Thank God for the sharp eyes of the SQ command squad. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to hunt down that idiotic control tower officer.

http://lordofthemorning.blogspot.com/2008/08/idiocy-at-naia-control-tower_17.html

^^ o.O

HondaFTW

December 28th, 2011, 06:09 AM

AirAsia Philippines Relief Operation in CDO

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/405309_266636426729575_119566078103278_789134_995276716_n.jpg
http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/403067_266636466729571_119566078103278_789136_23991327_n.jpg
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/382945_267251926668025_119566078103278_791430_74020620_n.jpg
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/385800_267252010001350_119566078103278_791431_1303271130_n.jpg

PHOTOS FROM THEIR FACEBOOK PAGE: http://www.facebook.com/AirAsiaPhilippines

dashalvin

December 28th, 2011, 07:21 AM

PAL’s Lucio Tan asks San Miguel to help finance modernization plan (http://www.gmanetwork.com/news/story/242888/economy/companies/pals-lucio-tan-asks-san-miguel-to-help-finance-modernization-plan)
ERIK DELA CRUZ, Reuters December 28, 2011 12:46pm

Food-to-power conglomerate San Miguel Corp. said on Wednesday it was invited by Philippine Airlines' owner, tycoon Lucio Tan, to assist in the flag carrier's refleeting and modernization plans.

San Miguel, in a disclosure to the stock exchange, confirmed local media reports it was in talks with Tan's PAL Holdings Inc., owner of Asia's oldest airline, but no agreement has been forged yet.

"In the event a definitive agreement is concluded, an appropriate disclosure shall be made to the exchange," it said.

Media reports said San Miguel President Ramon Ang was conducting due diligence on PAL.

The flag-carrier has been facing a labor crisis in recent months after some workers walked out of their jobs to protest the carrier's plan to outsource airport services, catering and call center operations.

In August, PAL president Jaime Bautista said the carrier needed to refleet to stay competitive.

The airline was also rumored to be an acquisition target of Hong Kong's First Pacific Co. Ltd. and its Philippine unit PLDT, but the two companies denied the market talk in September.

In a separate disclosure, San Miguel said it expects its revenue and operating profit to grow by double digits in 2012, confirming a report in a local daily.

San Miguel, with a market value of $6.3 billion, remains the country's dominant food and beverage manufacturer even after its aggressive expansion in recent years into power generation, oil refining and marketing, mining and infrastructure.

Shares of San Miguel rose 0.3 percent in light trade against a 0.5 percent drop in the main Philippine Stock Exchange index at 12 noon. PAL Holdings was up 1.7 percent. — Reuters

Bootkin

December 28th, 2011, 07:44 AM

i think not. RP's still in CAT II so no US expansion for now........

I've been digging for more information on this. It seems we just have been placed in CAT II, but there are no solid news whether this will go under review once more to clear us.

mambo

December 28th, 2011, 07:44 AM

http://business.inquirer.net/37397/smc-confirms-plan-to-buy-into-flag-carrier

SMC was invited by Mr. Lucio Tan, the controlling stockholder of PAL Holdings Inc., to participate and assist in the re-fleeting and modernization of the aircraft of Philippine Airlines in preparation for the projected heavy influx of tourists in the coming years which will be beneficial to the tourism industry of the country

oninBadz

December 28th, 2011, 09:20 AM

saintm

December 28th, 2011, 10:32 AM

That's from the north. How about from the south where Region 4 is the MOST populous region in the country? And I would say it would slightly benefit them and I have to emphasise slightly because Ilocos Norte is still far, still quite far that it even has its own airport to have flights to MNL and occasionally China.

You have the proxinity of NAIA all to enjoy! connectivity is seamless thru SLEX, Skyway, Coastal Road, STAR, pwede pa mag PNR :lol::lol::lol::lol: aren't you still happy? :lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

skyskimmer

December 28th, 2011, 12:07 PM

^^

a serious near miss,but sounds exagerrated din. 50 degrees angle is just too steep of a climb and who parks a jumbo on an active runway. so far i've been on some aborted landings but never heard pilots telling all the details to their passengers onboard.i think it's part of the crowd crisis control training?:)

i don't know about the credibility of that post but it really is disturbing. but we cannot deny the fact that jumbos are sometimes (yet very rare) involved in runway incursions (Tenerife disaster).

kingdiz_55

December 28th, 2011, 12:59 PM

a serious near miss,but sounds exagerrated din. 50 degrees angle is just too steep of a climb and who parks a jumbo on an active runway. so far i've been on some aborted landings but never heard pilots telling all the details to their passengers onboard.i think it's part of the crowd crisis control training?

If any commercial plane were to climb like that it'd, without a doubt, stall. The writer probably doesn't know that planes wait until the last moment they can before going around, since this wastes fuel, and time.

skyskimmer

December 29th, 2011, 01:26 AM

If any commercial plane were to climb like that it'd, without a doubt, stall. The writer probably doesn't know that planes wait until the last moment they can before going around, since this wastes fuel, and time.

but since there's a freakin' 747 right in their path, i doubt they'd wait for the last moment. :D

hybridace101

December 29th, 2011, 01:51 AM

For PR, CX and SQ, I can ask for as much non-alcoholic beverages in-flight without charge right?

Also, what US airport terminals can I freely take pictures of without me being in the photograph? I got stopped at JFK for taking a photo without me in it.

red_jasper

December 29th, 2011, 03:35 AM

Angkor Wat now just a flight away from Philippines

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/sites/default/files/a_images/topics/others/cambodia_angkor.jpg

Here's some good news for avid travelers who have been wanting to visit the world-famous Angkor Wat, but are turned off by the thought of connecting flights and long travel hours by land.

The Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB) recently approved direct flights from the Philippines to Cambodia, known for one of the most important archeological sites in Southeast Asia.

CAB granted Cebu Pacific five frequencies for the Manila-Cambodia route, while ZestAir got two frequencies.

Airphil Express, the budget carrier of Philippine Airlines, and AirAsia Philippines Inc. each received seven frequencies for the Clark-Cambodia route. One frequency is equivalent to a once-a-week flight.

Cebu Pacific has not yet set a timetable for the new route. "But we will make announcements at the appropriate time," its vice president for marketing and distribution Candice Iyog said in a text message to abs-cbnNEWS.com.

Read more here (http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/lifestyle/12/28/11/angkor-wat-now-just-flight-away-philippines)

bobreyes

December 29th, 2011, 09:16 AM

^^singapore to, may indian at malay na kasama,yung mga head dyanay chinese, sa hongkong walang indian at malay

Correct! This is in Singapore, NOT HongKong as the baggage container has the SATS (Singapore Airport Terminal Services) logo.

ecureilx

December 29th, 2011, 09:39 AM

Idiocy at the NAIA Control Tower
SUNDAY, AUGUST 17, 2008

....

1. This obviously isn't normal...are we in a bloody combat situation and we're avoiding SAMs?
2. This is an Airbus A340...there's no way we can avoid a SAM.
3. This is just bloody cool!
...

Thank God for the sharp eyes of the SQ command squad. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to hunt down that idiotic control tower officer.

http://lordofthemorning.blogspot.com/2008/08/idiocy-at-naia-control-tower_17.html

^^ o.O

If the write says he was on an SIA plane SQ don't have any 340s deployed for regional routes, and the 345s were never deployed on MNL runs, when they were not doing their Newark and LAX runs .. they were only popped into KUL/DPS/CGK sectors .. sub 2 hour sectors .. :) Something to do with inventory management .. and scheduling ..

MNL gets the 777-200 and 777-300s .. as it has always been getting .. and in 2008 - Never

Unless the author has no clue what is an A340 and 777 :)

A routine Go-around edited for dramatisation ..

pi_malejana

December 29th, 2011, 09:57 AM

^^ probably... i guess bashing NAIA has been the trend this 2011..:D

HondaFTW

December 29th, 2011, 10:31 AM

Correct! This is in Singapore, NOT HongKong as the baggage container has the SATS (Singapore Airport Terminal Services) logo.

Look at it again. It's SATS hk. :P

pi_malejana

December 29th, 2011, 10:36 AM

yup... panoorin muna kasi ung video.. halatang halata naman na HK dun palang sa abundance ng CX planes pati na rin nung terminal roof sa dulo...:wink2:

HondaFTW

December 29th, 2011, 10:51 AM

yup... panoorin muna kasi ung video.. halatang halata naman na HK dun palang sa abundance ng CX planes pati na rin nung terminal roof sa dulo...:wink2:

CORRECT!

hybridace101

December 29th, 2011, 01:45 PM

^^

I agree! As I said, if it was SIN, you will only see at most 2 CX aircrafts on the ground at the same time. Plus the sats HK logo if you look even closely.

On another note, I am helping my parents find good deals to the EU via ME carriers and we have eliminated EK because they want to avoid being in flights with big OFW crowds, something we think EY and QR have somewhat less of. But even if we are wrong with that, the good thing about EY and QR is that their Y is 3-3-3 abreast so that means much fewer passengers. They're taking C though.

But one surprising thing I discovered is that if we book through KLM.com, we can get 2 C seats for less than USD 4500 (all-in). I can understand that pricing if that was given by ME carriers but how does KL give such generous prices. DL on the other hand gives 1 C seat for more than that price. Any ideas?

noli-kun

December 29th, 2011, 04:52 PM

Filipino firm to buy into Asia's oldest airline

Manila (Philippine Daily Inquirer/ANN) - Philippines' Lucio Tan group of companies is hatching a deal to sell a controlling stake in flag carrier Philippine Airlines to a group led by San Miguel Corp. president Ramon S. Ang.

Industry sources said Ang's group and key representatives from the Tan family had a "meeting of minds" where the former would buy into Asia's oldest airline. The two parties were said to be in the thick of discussions before Christmas.
Another source familiar with the matter said Ang's group had presented a very good offer that was accepted "in principle" by the Tan group, but the value under consideration was not revealed.

Other sources said Tan was willing to let a new investor come in for at least US$1 billion. For that amount, the investor will gain controlling equity while shouldering part of re-fleeting costs.

The sources said some preliminary paperwork had been drawn up last Friday in the presence of Harry Tan, the tycoon's brother. The next step is a due diligence audit to finalise the terms of the acquisition.

The Lucio Tan group's holding firm for the airline business, PAL Holdings Inc., surged by 15.78 per cent to close at 6.97 pesos ($.15) a share at the local stock market Tuesday. This gave the company a market capitalisation of 32.63 billion pesos ($744.4 million).

It is not known whether the potential buy-in deal will involve Ang in his personal capacity, or if San Miguel itself will eventually be part of the transaction. The airline business, however, is in line with the conglomerate's diversification thrust in infrastructure.

San Miguel is investing about $300 million to modernise and set up new tourism amenities at the Godofredo P. Ramos airport in Caticlan, the main gateway to Boracay Island, a top tourist draw.

The conglomerate has also expressed interest in public-private partnership airport contracts for Palawan, Bohol and Caraga (Agusan).

Read more here. (http://ph.news.yahoo.com/filipino-firm-buy-asias-oldest-airline-050005935.html?fb_action_ids=241690869237113%2C10150452795811925&fb_action_types=news.reads&fb_source=other_multiline&code=AQBAuilP7fQxYtc9ClnD0f9SbYZu_zvYUrrj869yilE7mn8nElT5RsKm02U30kvP6BJ-dC9k3VP-sf1MFq2URRKeqfrrr0ebpkf8346nJ4mA_F-6ZhMl4ngE-lN7cAlXb8akOF2izPdPmM6hcoxEnMNfaQqZEsr4-8_XoHBH2DqyX0VZGjuik2KVvz2D1Jn7F5E#_=_)

Ph Man

December 29th, 2011, 05:48 PM

^^Thanks for sharing this.

The article seems so certain about the deal.

Does SEC allow a total revamp of a company's workforce after a buy-out or only when a new entity is registered as replacement?

Aklandia

December 29th, 2011, 11:54 PM

Save our Nation's Pride.....our Flag Carrier

Sou-jiro

December 30th, 2011, 12:17 AM

Aklandia

December 30th, 2011, 12:37 AM

I travel much around the World not Because of my Riches but my Work in Cruise Ship and I have an IDEA and aware what is Tourist like, Comfortable Aviation link [KLO] needs a New Terminal etc. Caticlan Airport is on the way because of SMC , Convenient Cruise Terminal [like Caticlan Jetty Port ] is pretty much acceptable, compare in the Caribbean.

ecureilx

December 30th, 2011, 02:32 AM

... rated it better than both Bali and the overcrowded Phuket. But said direct flight (rather than transit from Manila) would be better. This is something Phuket and Bali is able to offer.

The irony is, once you have all the 'links' then the place becomes over-crowded.

The key is to keep the place vibrant, and clear out nonsenses, and 'insulate' the place from the rest of the silly stuff .. and .. also to promote other places, rather than place all the eggs in one basket ..

As for transit, even if carriers can do a stopover, like the stopover in CMB before heading to MLE, and some carriers which do a stopover in BKK before heading to HKT - the passenger doesn't have to alight and change to another plane .. that's a great selling point for a lot of tourists who rather 'fly in direct' and then 'fly out direct' ..

Or atleast some seamless transfer, as some countries do, arrive in the international airport, direct transfer to sea plane, chopper, smaller plane and off you go to the destination resort ..

Sou-jiro

December 30th, 2011, 05:01 AM

mCx2

December 30th, 2011, 08:57 AM

^^^ Ow yes please develop Airport in either Caticlan or kalibo and have Boracay compete head on vs Thailands Phuket and Indonesia Bali in the Australasian market. There is strong potential there. Alot of people here at our office of Different nationalitoes have actually visited boracay and have rated it better than both Bali and the overcrowded Phuket. But said direct flight (rather than transit from Manila) would be better. This is something Phuket and Bali is able to offer.

it's not just about the state of our regional airports that lures overseas tourists in.it's our image as a place to visit and our tourism campaigns.here in australia you can hardly see the Philippines being featured on the week ender travel destination for the restless aussies.we have to accept that we are still not in the radar of popular tourists destination and we need an aggressive tourism campaign.i agree though that direct flights to our tourism drawcards are the way to go.

skyskimmer

December 30th, 2011, 09:56 AM

A question out of the blue:
have airbus planes landed at paine field?
have boeing planes landed at toulouse airport?

ecureilx

December 30th, 2011, 10:12 AM

A question out of the blue:
have airbus planes landed at paine field?
have boeing planes landed at toulouse airport?

I would say yes, and yes .. as both are "COMMERCIAL AIRPORTS" :D

Well, for TLS, I can say yes, as I know a group which flew there in a B to do I dunno what ..

And anyway, the other side of TLS is a commercial airport, if I recall .. and is serviced by scheduled flights, and even TK, which flew in B737s :)

For PAE, there is a MRO operator there who does C and D checks on B planes as well .. :)

Sou-jiro

December 30th, 2011, 11:06 AM

it's not just about the state of our regional airports that lures overseas tourists in.it's our image as a place to visit and our tourism campaigns.here in australia you can hardly see the Philippines being featured on the week ender travel destination for the restless aussies.we have to accept that we are still not in the radar of popular tourists destination and we need an aggressive tourism campaign.i agree though that direct flights to our tourism drawcards are the way to go.

Having made several observations in Cities of Melbourne, Sydney, Brisbane and Auckland. THERE ARE NO.....tourism ads for the Philippines except for a couple of Boracay Billboard at Town hall station in Sydney. whereas there are ads on radio, TV, Buses, Trains and heck I even saw some taxi for countries like Thailand, Indonesia, Malaysia, Vietnam, S. Korea, Japan and now even Taiwan and Macau have ads everywhere. Then Emirates Billboard and TV ads here are also rampant. Nothing for Philippines....Yes It may be true Philippine do not have that kind of budget. so be it. They can leave it that way. Let the other countries take advantage of this...good on them. Good governance they have better promotional methods than we do.

Sou-jiro

December 30th, 2011, 11:09 AM

A question out of the blue:
have airbus planes landed at paine field?
have boeing planes landed at toulouse airport?

there are plenty of Boeing landing at toulouse airport. I even have a dvd of that airport on my airport collection.l apart from being an Airbus plant it is pretty much a normal airport. There are alot of 737s from other neighboring European cities. :)

Aklandia

December 30th, 2011, 11:44 AM

well that is the pros and cons about it I guess.

but for most tourist here.

There are point A to B flyer. people heading to Bali do not wnat to got to jakarta and those heading to Phuket do now wnat to stop and Bangkok. Those to are the most visited bargain getways by Aussies and Kiwis. followed by Resorts in Malaysia. Sadly Philippines is not on they're map. But Philippines may have more to offer if things would change.

I really Agree to you Boss I was in Australia-New Zealand 2005 to 2008 [Cruise Ship] and although they want to try other than Bali, Malaysia or Phuket, like Boracay but the Aviation link is POOR [mostly cater Charter only] and CEBU there is not much Carrier flew direct to this City unless they with Stop to HKG or SIN.

Sou-jiro

December 30th, 2011, 12:35 PM

^^ Thank you :) I'm simply trying to say Philippines and not just Boracay can complete and may have more to offer then Bali or Phuket which is heavily marketed here.

I have two Australian office mate who will be going to Puerto Gallera from Sydney this sunday..so its not always Boracay....there are many other place thats are underrated....Batanes for example. That place is a gem.

kiretoce

December 30th, 2011, 10:28 PM

Wala lang....

I wish PR would change it's "western wear" for their FA uniforms and pattern it to a more traditional look. Not the baro't saya ensemble, but something kebaya-like in design and silhouette like those of the other major ASEAN carriers SQ, MH, and GA.

Here's Garuda Indonesia's new FA uniforms, to coincide with their new fleet of aircraft.
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This is a native Mindanaoan costume I found on the net. They can taper it and make it a ¾-length sleeve, and they can do away with the sash as well.
http://www.arkipelagobooks.com/images/mindanao_native_custom.jpg

Sky Harbor

December 31st, 2011, 12:59 AM

^^ I don't know, Kimber, but kebayas don't exactly scream "Filipino". A butterfly baro't saya might be better than the traditional one the F/As used to wear back in the 1980s and early 1990s.

habagatcentral1

December 31st, 2011, 01:02 AM

^^ A lot of Moro costumes share the same elements as those of Indonesia and Malaysia.

sivah

December 31st, 2011, 01:26 AM

Legazpi Airport

http://www.heelsandwheelsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/DSC_0021.jpg

http://www.heelsandwheelsonline.com/wp-content/themes/DailyEdition/thumb.php?src=http://www.heelsandwheelsonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/DSC_0025.jpg&h=180&w=560&zc=1&q=90

heelsandwheelsonline (http://www.heelsandwheelsonline.com/tag/legaspi/)

kiretoce

December 31st, 2011, 01:36 AM

I don't know, Kimber, but kebayas don't exactly scream "Filipino". A butterfly baro't saya might be better than the traditional one the F/As used to wear back in the 1980s and early 1990s.

The origins of the baro't saya have a tinge of the "colonial" (read: foreign) design aesthetic, whereas the traditional indigenous clothing of the tribes are more "Filipino" in the truest sense.

Aklandia

December 31st, 2011, 04:12 AM

Bring back the old Glory of Asia's oldest Carrier..sana maisip nila yan sa Reformation pag Agree ang SMC sa deal nila lately..I like their old Uniform napaka symbolic at my sense of pride bilang flag Carrier. Baka bumalik ang Masang Pilipino sa pagtangkilik pati mga Foreigner na din.^^
http://i1227.photobucket.com/albums/ee423/Aklandia/Collages.jpg

mwg12a

December 31st, 2011, 09:41 AM

I think PAL should just revive that old FA filipino inspired uniforms, they can just alter it to where it would be more comfy for the FA and at the same time,safe to walk around with.

Aklandia

December 31st, 2011, 10:31 AM

I think PAL should just revive that old FA filipino inspired uniforms, they can just needed to alter it to where it would be more comfy for the FA and at the same time, safe to walk around with.

That make sense like our neighbor Country here in ASEAN most of them are making way to be more Nationalistic doing the best they can Garuda said this is one way in promoting Tourism and culture, aand I think this is Philippine Airlines should do soon to gain more respect as Asia's Oldest Carrier too.

hybridace101

December 31st, 2011, 10:30 PM

kiretoce

January 1st, 2012, 02:10 AM

brightblade

January 1st, 2012, 03:45 PM

^^ Your checked bags will be tagged with the final destination of your flight/s, so you'll see them again at your termination point. You don't need to collect them while in transit or on a layover. As far as security, you don't need to go through that again as long as you stay airside while on a layover, once you cross the security line onto landside, you'll have to go through the whole process again just to get back in.

as a caveat especially if you fly multiple airlines regardless if they are within the same alliance, be sure to check if your bags have been loaded once you arrive at your layover preferably an hour or two before departure. show the airline counter your baggage tags. in case you are about to take your flight to your final destination and you do not have any confirmation on your luggage prior to boarding, inform the flight purser inside the aircraft, once you deplane a ground staff should meet you to tell you about your luggage status. keep all documents regarding any lost or delayed luggage for insurance claim.

hybridace101

January 2nd, 2012, 05:12 AM

This safety video I found shows how CX was less Chinese almost 2 decades ago. Now their safety video is both in cantonese and english.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ghDCBj4ya4

Kintoy

January 2nd, 2012, 09:35 AM

The origins of the baro't saya have a tinge of the "colonial" (read: foreign) design aesthetic, whereas the traditional indigenous clothing of the tribes are more "Filipino" in the truest sense.

male FA's should wear bahag then :lol:

AmbutLang

January 2nd, 2012, 12:20 PM

Happy New Year! I have a question regarding US connecting flights on LCCs like WN and B6: are check-through of baggage to the final destinations allowed? And in our connecting city, do we need to clear security again if the flights depart from the same terminal?

It happened to me once in LAX on my Cathay flight. I have to pick my luggage at the carousel and checked in my luggage about 30 feet nearby to the TSA counter for my connecting flight for my JFK connecting flight on AA. :ohno:

ON Yahoo news :)
In-Flight Amenities That Make Us Hope For Tarmac Delays

Double Beds on Singapore Airlines
http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/1..1z9Zvw9dQi7fnhlZoaA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTE5MA--/http://l.yimg.com/os/153/2011/12/19/item1-rendition-slideshowHorizontal-singapore-airlines-double-bed_232910.jpg

Free Chromebooks on Virgin America
http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/ylLiyAR.qk1yVAFEduPUwg--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTE5MA--/http://l.yimg.com/os/153/2011/12/19/item2-rendition-slideshowHorizontal-chrome-books-wi-fi-virgin-america_233105.jpg

Shower on the Emirates A380
http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/jdl1SBhvrHFCR_6aHl1K2Q--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTE5MA--/http://l.yimg.com/os/153/2011/12/19/item3-rendition-slideshowHorizontal-emirates-air-shower_233239.jpg

http://travel.yahoo.com/ideas/in-flight-amenities-that-make-us-hope-for-tarmac-delays.html

mwg12a

January 2nd, 2012, 03:25 PM

Happy New Year! I have a question regarding US connecting flights on LCCs like WN and B6: are check-through of baggage to the final destinations allowed? And in our connecting city, do we need to clear security again if the flights depart from the same terminal?

^^ Your checked bags will be tagged with the final destination of your flight/s, so you'll see them again at your termination point. You don't need to collect them while in transit or on a layover. As far as security, you don't need to go through that again as long as you stay airside while on a layover, once you cross the security line onto landside, you'll have to go through the whole process again just to get back in.

He was asking about full service to LCC carriers kimbro. Unless, unless an LCC is really partnered with a full service carriers, you do have to claim/collect your checked in luggages and transfer to an LCC carrier for check-in which is usually on a different terminal. It's really a similar procedure if you're flying into the US from a foreign point of origin on your point of entry, the only difference is that after you collected your luggages and through custom inspections, they usually have a drop off section for the final destination through the same airline or it's any US partner -carrier that are full service (you leave the international wing to transfer to domestic wing or terminal). For instance PAL to allegiant Air . PAL landed on Vegas, I would transfer to LCC with Allegiant air as if I am checking in , although, alot of times I would have to stay overnight in vegas or wait more than 8 hours for an allegiant air flight to SGF. I am not sure what airlines are WN and B6, I'm not very familiar with all airline codes unless I've been in one...

mCx2

January 2nd, 2012, 03:40 PM

This safety video I found shows how CX was less Chinese almost 2 decades ago. Now their safety video is both in cantonese and english.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ghDCBj4ya4

A marketing ploy.The british wants to make honkies and chinese feel that it's chinese owned.:lol:

Mr. Sandman

January 2nd, 2012, 03:47 PM

I am not sure what airlines are WN and B6, I'm not very familiar with all airline codes unless I've been in one...WN: Southwest
B6: JetBlue

hybridace101

January 2nd, 2012, 03:59 PM

He was asking about full service to LCC carriers kimbro. Unless, unless an LCC is really partnered with a full service carriers, you do have to claim/collect your checked in luggages and transfer to an LCC carrier for check-in which is usually on a different terminal. It's really a similar procedure if you're flying into the US from a foreign point of origin on your point of entry, the only difference is that after you collected your luggages and through custom inspections, they usually have a drop off section for the final destination through the same airline or it's any US partner -carrier that are full service (you leave the international wing to transfer to domestic wing or terminal). For instance PAL to allegiant Air . PAL landed on Vegas, I would transfer to LCC with Allegiant air as if I am checking in , although, alot of times I would have to stay overnight in vegas or wait more than 8 hours for an allegiant air flight to SGF. I am not sure what airlines are WN and B6, I'm not very familiar with all airline codes unless I've been in one...

But I am talking about domestic-domestic connections which will presumably depart from the same terminal.

mwg12a

January 2nd, 2012, 04:00 PM

WN: Southwest
B6: JetBlue

^^ thanks. I am not sure about jetblue but I am almost positive that WN or Southwest do not have any partnership with any legacy carriers so you do collect your luggages and transfer to the domestic wing where WN hub and check in annew. Most of the time you book the tickets separately.

mwg12a

January 2nd, 2012, 04:05 PM

But I am talking about domestic-domestic connections which will presumably depart from the same terminal.

Oh sorry, I was under an impression you're flying in from the Philippines or what not... Yes, definitely its from the same terminal and Kiretoce was right.

hybridace101

January 2nd, 2012, 04:11 PM

^^ thanks. I am not sure about jetblue but I am almost positive that WN or Southwest do not have any partnership with any legacy carriers so you do collect your luggages and transfer to the domestic wing where WN hub and check in annew. Most of the time you book the tickets separately.

Yup, WN does not have any partners and that's one of the keys that keep them an LCC. I believe that their fares are not even published on other sites. B6 however has an increasing number of interline partners, the latest of which will be SQ.

HondaFTW

January 2nd, 2012, 04:25 PM

MY PLAN FOR CRK [NOT THE REAL PLAN] I MADE TOO MANY TAXI WAYS =/

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/383611_2453447300509_1381838405_32202632_465910950_n.jpg

RED = TERMINAL
GREY = RUNWAYS
WHITE = TAXIWAYS
LIGHT GREEN = BUDGET TERMINAL (CURRENT TERMINAL]
YELLOW = NEW ROADS :banana:
ORANGE = SKYWAY ABOVE NLEX? :banana:
VIOLET = PLANE SPOTTERS AREA
BLUE = ROAD TUNNEL :banana:
BLACK = HIGH SPEED RAIL TO MANILA

mwg12a

January 2nd, 2012, 04:40 PM

^^ Cool, so when are you going to roll out the carpet on this one?? he he kidding...

HondaFTW

January 2nd, 2012, 04:45 PM

male FA's should wear bahag then :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

HondaFTW

January 2nd, 2012, 04:46 PM

^^ Cool, so when are you going to roll out the carpet on this one?? he he kidding...

Thank you! Hehehe...

mikem488

January 2nd, 2012, 10:16 PM

mikem488

January 2nd, 2012, 10:23 PM

Finally we will be getting San Miguel beer on PAL. The usual beer of choice is Colt 45, Coors and Manila beer. I was justs getting use to Manila beer. Strong alcohol content on Manila 7.2%. But a good taste.

Kintoy

January 3rd, 2012, 07:58 AM

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At France's Orly Airport, holograms are being used to inform passengers when boarding begins and to welcome them aboard their flight.

rubiopr27

January 3rd, 2012, 08:38 AM

Blackraven

January 3rd, 2012, 11:00 AM

Slightly off-topic:
Even if our NAIA Terminal 1 is criticized by some as archaic and world's worst airport etc etc, I'd still prefer NAIA T1 if it means that I can be safe.

Unlike in Domodedovo Airport in Moscow Russia which is newer and more modern than NAIA T1 BUT has been attacked by terrorists:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Domodedovo_International_Airport_bombing

Ano ba iyan? Poor security siguro.

So imho, never mind kung kahit bulok ang NAIA T1. At least it's safe and we know security personnel are doing their jobs well.

Unlike in that Russian airport that yun nga is more modern pero palpak naman yung security. If security was tight enough, this would not have happened....

Never mind kung Russia is richer/poorer than Philippines (or kung same lang yung economic standing natin with them). Either way, security must be paramount at all times and in this case, I believe that aspect failed during that time in that Russian airport.

Guys, ano sa tingin niyo???

mCx2

January 3rd, 2012, 11:57 AM

dayanadayang

January 3rd, 2012, 12:58 PM

male FA's should wear bahag then :lol:

:lol:...interesting!

Blackraven

January 3rd, 2012, 03:53 PM

Facility and safety are two different things but in an airport an integral part.In NAIA I it's definitely the structure,facilities and services plus some safety issues concerning falling ceilings.That airport in Russia was attacked by terrorists.Terrorists are opportunists and will find ways to attack and spread terror and wreck havoc no matter how tight your security is.

Perhaps

Pero look at this as well:
After the downfall of the USSR, Russia had a hard time transitioning. When you look at the other former USSR territories (like the Baltic states as well as Poland or even Croatia), they were able to adapt from communism to capitalist and free market economic systems. Pero nahirapan ang Russia.

It's only just recently that they're shifting and thankfully nagiging fast growing and Russian economy (with Moscow becoming a fast growing economic center of the country along with the crude oil and gas reserves serving as a cash cows for the country). Kaya nga Russia is the 'R' in the BRIC fast growing and emerging economies.

Heck, you can say na overall, mas maunlad ang Russia kesa sa atin.

But damn, kung ganun kaunlad pala sila, then why can't they keep their country secure from terrorists lalo na sa capital mismo???

Diba may FSB intelligence agency sila? Ano ginagawa nila? Why didn't they prevent something like that kind of terrorist attack from happening?

Unfortunately, this was not the first terrorist attack that happened in the Russian capital within the 21st century. Nangyari iyan before as far back as 2004 noong nabomba yung Moscow Metro. Tapos, noong 2010, terrorist attack nanaman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Metro#Incidents

Thing is, we had some terrorist attacks dito sa Metro Manila a few years ago (LRT Blumentritt bombing, SM Megamall cinema bombing, etc.) pero after a few years, no more terrorist attacks.

Pero sa Russia, 2010 and 2011, terrorist bombing nanaman. IMHO, palpak security.

I don't know kung kelangan na maging mas developed or mas maunlad and economy ng Russia pero IMHO, hanggang may assurance or guarantee na wala na terrorist bombings doon, then I doubt I would visit Russia anytime soon.

And it's a shame kasi fast growing ang Russian economy tapos world-class tingnan ang Moscow International Business Center.

Pero yun nga, they need to assure their citizens as well as to foreign tourists visiting that they won't end up in a bodybag or that their lives will end on foreign soil.

Yun lang.........

sun-tex

January 3rd, 2012, 04:45 PM

ano na yung pinagmamayabang ng russia na KGB? mas matindi raw sila sa israeli musad at us cia,nia,at fbi

Parchie

January 3rd, 2012, 04:47 PM

Perhaps

Pero look at this as well:
After the downfall of the USSR, Russia had a hard time transitioning. When you look at the other former USSR territories (like the Baltic states as well as Poland or even Croatia), they were able to adapt from communism to capitalist and free market economic systems. Pero nahirapan ang Russia.

It's only just recently that they're shifting and thankfully nagiging fast growing and Russian economy (with Moscow becoming a fast growing economic center of the country along with the crude oil and gas reserves serving as a cash cows for the country). Kaya nga Russia is the 'R' in the BRIC fast growing and emerging economies.

Heck, you can say na overall, mas maunlad ang Russia kesa sa atin.

But damn, kung ganun kaunlad pala sila, then why can't they keep their country secure from terrorists lalo na sa capital mismo???

Diba may FSB intelligence agency sila? Ano ginagawa nila? Why didn't they prevent something like that kind of terrorist attack from happening?

Unfortunately, this was not the first terrorist attack that happened in the Russian capital within the 21st century. Nangyari iyan before as far back as 2004 noong nabomba yung Moscow Metro. Tapos, noong 2010, terrorist attack nanaman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Metro#Incidents

Thing is, we had some terrorist attacks dito sa Metro Manila a few years ago (LRT Blumentritt bombing, SM Megamall cinema bombing, etc.) pero after a few years, no more terrorist attacks.

Pero sa Russia, 2010 and 2011, terrorist bombing nanaman. IMHO, palpak security.

I don't know kung kelangan na maging mas developed or mas maunlad and economy ng Russia pero IMHO, hanggang may assurance or guarantee na wala na terrorist bombings doon, then I doubt I would visit Russia anytime soon.

And it's a shame kasi fast growing ang Russian economy tapos world-class tingnan ang Moscow International Business Center.

Pero yun nga, they need to assure their citizens as well as to foreign tourists visiting that they won't end up in a bodybag or that their lives will end on foreign soil.

Yun lang.........
IMO, we have own kapalpakan to be fair to that country. The US had theirs too! Terrorism has no face for countries to know them if they do come. The only antidote I know is for people to never fear and give-in to terror. If you do get terrorized, then they have already won!

kaniguan78

January 4th, 2012, 03:46 AM

The only airport in the world having this.... cool!!!

Did you know? Gibraltar Airport in British overseas territory of Gibraltar is the only airport in the world - which has runway crossing the express Highway (between Spain & the Island). Traffic lights are used to stop the traffic while an aircraft takes off or lands! British Airways has daily flights here.

Absolutely amazing!!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/376154_230500903693226_192591077484209_523477_1284193236_n.jpg

here (https://www.facebook.com/here.billion.people)

Askal82

January 4th, 2012, 03:59 AM

^^ I thought Philippines have this too. They even make the runway like a picnic ground. :lol:

francis03

January 4th, 2012, 05:18 AM

Thought I'd share my last flight of 2011 and first time using the gopro...

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dayanadayang

January 4th, 2012, 07:17 AM

The only airport in the world having this.... cool!!!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/376154_230500903693226_192591077484209_523477_1284193236_n.jpg

here (https://www.facebook.com/here.billion.people)

after 9/11...this doesn't look kewl anymore. :ohno:

Parchie

January 4th, 2012, 08:03 AM

after 9/11...this doesn't look kewl anymore. :ohno:
Honestly, it still looks cool to me! Even if you are away from that locale and you feel afraid of terrorists, they already won! Fret not. There will be time for everyone. Theirs will too.

AmbutLang

January 4th, 2012, 11:03 AM

ano na yung pinagmamayabang ng russia na KGB? mas matindi raw sila sa israeli musad at us cia,nia,at fbi

Ilang beses na sila nahuli sa FBI, ang mga KGB dito sa NYC. Kasama na sa mga sleeper nila. Mayron pa mga video noong November. :ohno: :bash:

sun-tex

January 4th, 2012, 12:12 PM

mga palpak kasi mga russians, base sa history ganun na talaga sila, mayayabang pero palpak lagi

sun-tex

January 4th, 2012, 12:13 PM

The only airport in the world having this.... cool!!!

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc7/376154_230500903693226_192591077484209_523477_1284193236_n.jpg

here (https://www.facebook.com/here.billion.people)

^^philippines has that, in CATARMAN NORTHERN SAMAR :lol:

HondaFTW

January 4th, 2012, 12:52 PM

Please take note of the security at Singapore's Budget Terminal. It's just bad...

skyskimmer

January 4th, 2012, 01:24 PM

^^philippines has that, in CATARMAN NORTHERN SAMAR :lol:

yep, here's a pic:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/CRMAerial.JPG/400px-CRMAerial.JPG

from wikipedia

dayanadayang

January 4th, 2012, 01:45 PM

^^philippines has that, in CATARMAN NORTHERN SAMAR :lol:

I think Baguio too. :lol:

adrielcatada

January 4th, 2012, 02:29 PM

Sorry for Low Quality.. if i only had a DSLR i could take pix like a pro

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/180778_1575427427968_1304052879_31360515_2326077_n.jpg

tim3122

January 4th, 2012, 02:47 PM

Sorry for Low Quality.. if i only had a DSLR i could take pix like a pro

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/180778_1575427427968_1304052879_31360515_2326077_n.jpg

It looks like a b777:lol:

dashalvin

January 4th, 2012, 02:51 PM

^^ Smog in Mactan... :lol:

Parchie

January 4th, 2012, 03:00 PM

^^ Smog in Mactan... :lol:
Plain fog, I guess!

federalist

January 5th, 2012, 01:01 AM

habagatcentral1

January 5th, 2012, 01:06 AM

Parchie

January 5th, 2012, 01:28 AM

a lot of forumers here are underestimating the Russians, if i were you guys read some history of the European world war, how did they overpowerHitler's troops and study how clever they were before you say those things to the Russians. anywhere in the world cannnot predict where the terrorists strike next, even the powerful US and UK didn't able to stop them.

and stop saying about Manila is safe now after the bombings that had happened before coz you might never know that tomorrow you will be the next victim, good thing if you will survive.
+1 here!
Like I said, each security arrangement has its strong points as well as weak points. There is no point in arguing since each jurisdiction don't have the same threats and the ideologies present. It is safer to say, man has not learned the lessons of the past and can't live with each other!

When will that be? I asked a tipsy friend during one of our drinking spree along time ago and you what his answer was?ALL ADULTS AROUND THE WORLD (to include 4 years and above) SHOULD AGREE TO A MASS SUICIDE!
Then the few ones left are with uncorrupted minds and strive hard to live not knowing what the parents of other kids did to his parents! I was drunk too, so forget all that as well!

pau_p1

January 5th, 2012, 02:59 AM

federalist

January 5th, 2012, 04:44 AM

i didnt mean Manila is not safe, my previous post was directed to @blackraven and @ suntex.

mCx2

January 5th, 2012, 08:33 AM

Perhaps

Pero look at this as well:
After the downfall of the USSR, Russia had a hard time transitioning. When you look at the other former USSR territories (like the Baltic states as well as Poland or even Croatia), they were able to adapt from communism to capitalist and free market economic systems. Pero nahirapan ang Russia.

It's only just recently that they're shifting and thankfully nagiging fast growing and Russian economy (with Moscow becoming a fast growing economic center of the country along with the crude oil and gas reserves serving as a cash cows for the country). Kaya nga Russia is the 'R' in the BRIC fast growing and emerging economies.

Heck, you can say na overall, mas maunlad ang Russia kesa sa atin.

But damn, kung ganun kaunlad pala sila, then why can't they keep their country secure from terrorists lalo na sa capital mismo???

Diba may FSB intelligence agency sila? Ano ginagawa nila? Why didn't they prevent something like that kind of terrorist attack from happening?

Unfortunately, this was not the first terrorist attack that happened in the Russian capital within the 21st century. Nangyari iyan before as far back as 2004 noong nabomba yung Moscow Metro. Tapos, noong 2010, terrorist attack nanaman.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscow_Metro#Incidents

Thing is, we had some terrorist attacks dito sa Metro Manila a few years ago (LRT Blumentritt bombing, SM Megamall cinema bombing, etc.) pero after a few years, no more terrorist attacks.

Pero sa Russia, 2010 and 2011, terrorist bombing nanaman. IMHO, palpak security.

I don't know kung kelangan na maging mas developed or mas maunlad and economy ng Russia pero IMHO, hanggang may assurance or guarantee na wala na terrorist bombings doon, then I doubt I would visit Russia anytime soon.

And it's a shame kasi fast growing ang Russian economy tapos world-class tingnan ang Moscow International Business Center.

Pero yun nga, they need to assure their citizens as well as to foreign tourists visiting that they won't end up in a bodybag or that their lives will end on foreign soil.

Yun lang.........

you're right there with your assumptions regarding fears about Russia but a lot of people the world over have the same thoughts about the Philippines too.we have our share of terrorist attacks and other problems like kidnapping of foreign nationals.Sorry this OT

mCx2

January 5th, 2012, 08:47 AM

mga palpak kasi mga russians, base sa history ganun na talaga sila, mayayabang pero palpak lagi

You are completely wrong with your statement here.Give the russian history a good read and it will tell you their story of empire expansion and their contribution to the industrial revolution,the arts,music,literature,architecture among others.All this greatness was profoundly wiped out during the turbulent time just before and past the russian revolution and the succeeding marxist regimes of Stalin and Lenin (that resulted in bloodbath)and onto the more stable communist government that expanded towards the west and the south that sowed fear,oppression and suppression among the people in the land it ruled.the defuct USSR was the biggest political experiment we have ever seen.