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Skyblade

June 15th, 2006, 09:51 PM

If only these "skybeds" were available on the 744 fleet *sigh*

Seriously...I wouldn't want to get stuck in a F seat that seems to be equlivalent to a C class seat of the preceding generation just without the PTVs. Speaking of which, I'm amazed PAL doesn't offer gadgets for rent like a portable DVD player or a DigE Player (http://www.digeplayer.com/) to it's premium class passengers to make up for the lack of a PTV as what some other airlines do as well. Another interesting thing is that in a couple of the forums I go to, I've heard that at from at least 1 to the entire 744 fleet (except N754PR?) has the A340 seats retrofitted for the premium cabins. I'm more of a person that would rather "see it to believe it" because this sounds too good to be true...

Guys, I just noticed PAL's MNL-LAX is still nonstop while they changed they LAX-MNL technical stop via GUM. When did this start?

It began in January (?).

I want Pal's PR112/113 due to noncramped A343 seating 2-4-2. Is there any other transpacific flight/airline which utilizes A343 aircraft?
Cathay Pacific operates the A343 to New York (must've been downgraded from a A346 as it's no longer listed in the timetable for the route) and China Airlines to Seattle and onward to Houston. If you want to include the A345/A346, then Singapore Airlines does to Los Angeles and Newark and Thai to Los Angeles and New York JFK. These are the only ones I could remember off the bat.

Anyhow thanks for posting those renderings, BoNduRant! The 787 looks gorgeous in those colorschemes!

absent-minded

June 16th, 2006, 02:06 AM

ianers_ianized

June 16th, 2006, 03:59 AM

some calls it gates some were airbirdges... i prefer to call it airbirdges.

2. I get to use the "tube" at DIA and at NAIA2, (what is this "tube" called again? :D )

ianers_ianized

June 16th, 2006, 04:40 AM

PAL will resume flying to Laoag effective July 7 on a 4x a week flight using their A320 aircraft.

According to the old folks, the city's name was derived from a local term which means "light". History further reveals that way back in the Hispanic era, an Augustinian missionary had commented that Laoag has a clear atmosphere presenting a beautiful sky - so explained its name.

The city of Laoag, the Sparkling Gem of Ilocandia, is located at the west central part of the Province of Ilocos Norte bordering the China Sea.

Laoag City is the provincial capital of Ilocos Norte and is located approximately 475 kilometers away from Manila. Through the years, the city has undergone a lot of improvements and has continuously been growing and progressing because of its geographical location and the good-natured characteristics of its people.

Attractions like the Cafe Bojeador Lighthouse which stands on a promontory in Burgos, 45 kilometers north of Laoag City; Malacanang of the North, which is the ancestral house of the Marcoses in Batac, overlooking the legendary Paoay Lake are just one of the few structures that Ilocos Norte is known for.

Here's the sked:
MNL-LAO
TTh - Dep/Arr - 10:00-10:55 - PR226 - A320
FSu - Dep/Arr - 17:45-18:40 - PR228 - A320

LAO-MNL
TTh - Dep/Arr - 11:45-12:40 - PR227 - A320
FSu - Dep/Arr - 19:30-20:25 - PR229 - A320

source: www.philippineairlines.com

since PAL has a tight and limited fleet, a lot of their routes are currently scheduled to be flown by varying equipment (EQV). with this system, they lose lots of potential revenue - especially on domestic flights. currently, PAL is unable to sell First Class seats on EQV flights even when a B747 or A340 - the only PAL aircraft with the First Class product - is most likely to be sent out because they cannot guarantee a B747 or A340 will be available and utilized for the actual flight.

if they limited their cabin classes to Mabuhay Class and Fiesta Class, a consistent product will be available throughout both their widebodied and narrowbodied fleet, and this, in turn, would enable them to offer the optimum number of seats for sale on every single flight - be it for long, medium or short haul, international or domestic. in addition, it would be much easier to ensure consistent and high quality products for all classes of service because they would then only have to manage two major product types. it would also be easier to offer enhancements and improvements in the long term.Currently most of the flights of PAL are not EQV few were the 2nd or 3rd flight to HKG and some CEB flights. The scheduled aircraft used are more consistent and accurate on the actual flight.

xXx carlos xXx

June 16th, 2006, 05:17 AM

from evis.net.ph

Cebu Pacific cuts year-round ‘Go’ Fares by up to 43%
By: PR

Cebu Pacific (CEB) the country’s low fare pioneer has reduced its lowest ‘Go’ fares by as much as 43% starting Friday, June 2. The lowest ‘Go’ fare from Manila to any Mindanao destination is now only P868 one-way.

CEB ‘Go’ fares are permanent – not promotional – low fares available for travel and booking all year-round and exclusive of regular surcharges and government tax.

“It’s all about making travel more affordable so that more Filipinos can fly. We are taking delivery of our 7 th and 8 th brand new Airbus aircraft this week and we are more than halfway through with our fleeting program. By August, CEB will have an all Airbus fleet and the youngest fleet in the Philippines. We will have increased our capacity by more than 40%. This means that we will have more seats to offer at even lower fares,” sad Lance Gokongwei, CEB president and CEO.

CEB now operates 2 brand new Airbus A320 and 4 A319 aircraft. This week the airline expects delivery of 2 more A319 while 4 more Airbus A319 will arrive in the next 4 months. The last 2 A320 aircraft will be delivered in early 2007 when CEB shall have completed its re-fleeting program.

“These reduced ‘Go’ fares will be availability year-round but we advise people to book early for best availability. Manila to any Mindanao destination is now only P868 one-way, reduced from P1,250 or by more than 30%. Ant inter-island sector is now only P568 one0way, reduced from P998 or by 43%. With fares this low, it’s time everyone flies and enjoy the sights each of our destinations has to offer,” he added.

Gokongwei also emphasized that the easiest way to grab the lowest ‘Go’ fare is through their website www.cebupacific.com and since the ‘Go’ fares are available year round, it is always advisable to book early in order to pay less.

Now on its 11 th year, CEB pioneered low fares in the country in March 1996. It also introduced travelers to on-time service, e-ticketing, and on-line booking, setting the standards for airline innovation in the local aviation industry.

ianers_ianized

June 16th, 2006, 05:53 AM

last year i couldnt book pal and had to use qantas which was awful! btw can anyone post rhe times pal flies in and out of melbourne? thanks :)

How awful is Qantas... I heard its a 5 star airline isn't it? How was QF?

Here's PR Melbourne sked...
MEL-MNL
WSaSu - Dep/Arr - 7:25-16:35 - via SYD- PR210 - A330

MNL-MEL
TFSa - Dep/Arr - 20:05-06:05 - PR209 - A330

Skyblade

June 16th, 2006, 08:24 AM

here's a picture (http://lari.pp.fi/pr853/3.html) of PAL's B747 First Class cabin that has been refitted with the newer A340 type seats. I believe that's on N752PR - the one that went to Xiamen for maintenance work a while back. maybe that's where they had it done...? I'm not sure if they've done the same thing with Mabuhay Class. and I don't know if it's been done on all five B747s. a similar picture of actual A340 First Class seats is here (http://lari.pp.fi/cebsept/2.html). the pictures are by Lufthansa747 from the airliners.net forums.

HOLY S*IT IT'S TRUE...THEY ACTUALLY DID INSTALL THE SEATS on the 744!?! :EEK: Seeing is believing...and under 24 hours since I made that statement, I'm now a believer. :D This does look like it did come from one of Lufthansa747s's trip reports...gah I'm always too lazy in bothering with checking out the pictures of the TR as it's usually not directly posted w/ the report itself in the forums...looks like I missed alot. :lol: One thing I also noticed that is somewhat of an improvement over the A340 product is the installation of adjustable in-seat lights (unless that thing jutting out between those two passengers in this (http://lari.pp.fi/pr853/5.html) is something else.) Do they also have PTVs in those seats as well? Looks like I don't have to aim for just A340 flights if I want to get PAL's most modern product.

I really wish PAL had just saved up money to refit their ancient B744s with new generation pod-type seats. unless they're planning to scrap all their existing B747s in the short term, as they are all nearing 20 years of age now.

Indeed PR's 744 fleet is getting older with N751PR already 13 years old and clocking up the cycles. They've operated their 742s for 30ish years though of course that was back when oil prices were a tad more bearable. It would've been great to see PAL install a new product in the long haul fleet but I guess the closest time we'll be seeing that is when they take delivery of a brand new widebody... But yeah, at least they upgraded it nevertheless instead of continuing on with this (http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0630535/M/) on it's long haul flights. One thing I just wish is if they could've at least install some privacy canopies along with those retrofitted First Class seats...

if they limited their cabin classes to Mabuhay Class and Fiesta Class, a consistent product will be available throughout both their widebodied and narrowbodied fleet, and this, in turn, would enable them to offer the optimum number of seats for sale on every single flight - be it for long, medium or short haul, international or domestic. in addition, it would be much easier to ensure consistent and high quality products for all classes of service because they would then only have to manage two major product types. it would also be easier to offer enhancements and improvements in the long term.
As I mentioned earlier, I really agree with this idea, though I'd hate to see PAL discard the F class product. Might as well fit *maybe* a Y+ cabin into the equation. Also one can put more C seats as compared to F. All I ask is if they do the C/Y or C/Y+/Y route...please make sure the business class seat is actually flat and not angled to the ground. :bash:

How awful is Qantas... I heard its a 5 star airline isn't it?

Well QF got 2nd place in Airline of the Year 2006 on Skytrax. Unfortunately never had the experience with them yet.

Solblanc

June 16th, 2006, 08:36 AM

^^

If you look at Lufthansa747's trip reports, though, he mentioned that while the new F seats were installed, the pitch is insufficient to go completely flat :(

the 744s of PAL aren't that old, though. One only needs to look at Cathay; their 744s are ancient, yet they manage to get away with a 5-star rating.

btw, Skyblade, saw ya on FT. Small world! :D

Skyblade

June 16th, 2006, 09:13 AM

Yeah I saw your name pop up in the lastest post at the "Religious Travellers" forum and decided to drop in. :D Anyhow yeah, I just read in one of the threads there that the seat pitch is just 60", definitely not enough to do a 180 compared to the A343 which has 82".

Indeed 13 years isn't that much (compared to NW's 30 year old DC-9s and DC-10s...man I love those rustbuckets...speaking of which, NW currently has some of the oldest 744s out there) then again can the installation of new(er) seats bring up ROI before it's replaced (who knows but it would take longer if PAL keeps those fares low which I'm sure they would adjust if they upgraded the product) Would love to see PAL continue on with the 744 for a few more years...otherwise my username in aviation forums will become a nostalgic reminder. :lol:

IsaganiZenze

June 16th, 2006, 09:16 AM

i didn't know this

but

i found out that it's cheaper to fly with cathay from MANILA to HK than with PAL....is that bad?

bustero

June 16th, 2006, 09:28 AM

^^why should that be bad, it's your money!

Skyblade

June 16th, 2006, 09:31 AM

^^ Unless you're PAL, I don't see it as being bad.

bustero

June 16th, 2006, 11:01 AM

^^hehe I'm sure as hell even stakeholders of PR would take another airline if the diffrence in fare was greater than their perceived sense of value ( a little diff sure let's be loyal, a big diff screw it!)

bustero

June 16th, 2006, 11:03 AM

potato potato, tomato tomato

Does anyone know which airlines fly to surigao or Siargao? or what sort of planes do they use and how reliable they are?

Solblanc

June 16th, 2006, 11:07 AM

i didn't know this

but

i found out that it's cheaper to fly with cathay from MANILA to HK than with PAL....is that bad?

I'm flying from Manila to Bangkok on Cathay Pacific tomorrow, and that decision was made solely on price.

Sou-jiro

June 16th, 2006, 11:27 AM

How awful is Qantas... I heard its a 5 star airline isn't it? How was QF?

Here's PR Melbourne sked...
MEL-MNL
WSaSu - Dep/Arr - 7:25-16:35 - via SYD- PR210 - A330

MNL-MEL
TFSa - Dep/Arr - 20:05-06:05 - PR209 - A330

QF is ok,...for a second place...that didnt come out of nowhere and they maintian they're place in top ten...i dont mine going on them the only reason i dont go ont them now is because QF19 is now mostly 767er...(it used to be (747)....but they use 744 on most of they're asian destination
(except manila) but at times QF19/20 (SYD-MNL) is A333 which i prefer anyway....overall i go w/PAL (i dont like getting of at T1....im in a rush always....both t1 & t2 have edge over each other...

Sou-jiro

June 16th, 2006, 11:35 AM

ianers_ianized

June 16th, 2006, 11:36 AM

ianers_ianized

June 16th, 2006, 11:46 AM

heheh i remember Air Niugini uses A300b4 to manila...now they have a 767er which is they're only sole large aircraft. I think what Air Niugini uses is A310. Do they still operate currently in Manila... I think it has a once a week flight to Manila. Is the B767 they use now or the A310?

QF is ok,...for a second place...that didnt come out of nowhere and they maintian they're place in top ten...i dont mine going on them the only reason i dont go ont them now is because QF19 is now mostly 767er...(it used to be (747)....but they use 744 on most of they're asian destination Yeah, mostly other Asian flights of QF were on B744 like in Narita. I wonder they still uses their B767 probably bec. its many in their fleet... I think nearly to hundred in mumber when I check their site. Well, QF is beautiful too in A330 livery.

huistenmark

June 16th, 2006, 11:52 AM

some calls it gates some were airbirdges... i prefer to call it airbirdges.

others call it jetbridge as well...

There's been a lot of talk about PR and 5J here.. what about 2P??

My worst flight ever was with them. So i haven't flown with them ever since. That was 4 years ago...

ianers_ianized

June 16th, 2006, 12:15 PM

others call it jetbridge as well...

There's been a lot of talk about PR and 5J here.. what about 2P??

My worst flight ever was with them. So i haven't flown with them ever since. That was 4 years ago...

Ok I want to share this story from my grandma who went to flying 2P to iloilo... we both went to iloilo on the same time but on different aircraft. My grandma w/ my aunt & uncle on 2P and we w/ my dad and bro on PR (we're free bec. of trip pass benefits)... after fying i asked my grandma hows 2P? She said the food particularly the donut served was "pan-os" in tagaliog "panis" I'm not sure of this since I didn't rode 2P or its just the taste of my grandma... just to share.

Coffee

June 16th, 2006, 12:55 PM

Sou-jiro

June 16th, 2006, 01:49 PM

how do you get those low fares in 5J anyway?...are these prices as they say in the website?..can ou really get a one way MNL HK P1999??

Solblanc

June 16th, 2006, 02:13 PM

Ok I want to share this story from my grandma who went to flying 2P to iloilo... we both went to iloilo on the same time but on different aircraft. My grandma w/ my aunt & uncle on 2P and we w/ my dad and bro on PR (we're free bec. of trip pass benefits)... after fying i asked my grandma hows 2P? She said the food particularly the donut served was "pan-os" in tagaliog "panis" I'm not sure of this since I didn't rode 2P or its just the taste of my grandma... just to share.

My friend also had a story about 2P. He said that the aircraft was so rickety, half the cabin was chanting the rosary :D

how do you get those low fares in 5J anyway?...are these prices as they say in the website?..can ou really get a one way MNL HK P1999??

You book 'em really early. Months in advance.

oz.fil

June 16th, 2006, 04:07 PM

PAL flies to Melbourne wed, sat, sun.

you will have to be so early to see PAL a330 in Melbourne......(5:30am -6am isshh)
because it has be be in Sydney well before 9am before heading back manila aound 11am... :)
thanks! damn pal! when i came to melbourne in 1996? pal flew direct from melbourne manila no stop over in sydney. i dont know why they stop over in sydney does anyone noe why?

Siopao

June 16th, 2006, 04:53 PM

cyrusal

June 16th, 2006, 04:58 PM

^^ mas gusto ko yung current design

ashton

June 16th, 2006, 05:01 PM

^^ it looks nice but I still wanted the "Philippines" only instead of "Philippine Airlines" para may nationalistic look. Just like the new look of Qatar Airways, they eliminated the word "airways".

marites4

June 16th, 2006, 05:27 PM

maybe to pick up passengers or the pilot got jet lagged.

AH-7Raja

June 16th, 2006, 06:54 PM

I jsut found this pic at Google and I didint know if this is fake or its a real one. Sorry if it's old news but I just want to confirm that they are changing their logo. Personally, I think the new logo looks ugly.

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/photos/big/00005054.jpg

i like the design though, didn't like the layout.

blue color should be on top of the red, and the SUN doesn't resemble the original layout. the SUN should never change its layout like what we have in our national flag.

this is the right filipino SUN.
http://www.enjoyph.com/photos/flag.jpg

Siopao

June 16th, 2006, 07:07 PM

^^ The sun was never like the one in the national flag. It was always like this: http://www.iata.or.kr/bsp/bsp_korea/img/logo33.gif

anyways, I hope ANYONE could confirm that this is the official logo.

ianers_ianized

June 16th, 2006, 07:30 PM

i don't like the logo... well... an insider from PAL's corporate news it would not change it logo.. as it was not their agenda currently, the airline is focus on their relfeeting and rehabilitation program, increase cost cutting bec. of fuel hikes and improving products & services as discussed in its management meeting at PLC last April 29.

Skyblade

June 17th, 2006, 12:16 AM

It's fake. It's just a rendering a fellow aviation enthusiast made. Others can be found at Modified Airliners Photos (http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/search/search.php?search=normal).

Skyblade

June 17th, 2006, 12:35 AM

is there a chart that shows the actual mabuhay miles points required for their destinations?...cant see on the site?
Yeah I'm pretty annoyed with the Mabuhay Miles website (well, more like entire FFM program as a whole! :bash: ). I'm not seeing it as well...or at least where it should be (under "Redeeming Miles").

Does anyone know which airlines fly to surigao or Siargao? or what sort of planes do they use and how reliable they are?
Asian Spirit does from Manila, Seair flies from Cebu to Siargao and I do not know what a/c they deploy on that route nor their reliability.

some calls it gates some were airbirdges... i prefer to call it airbirdges.
Jetways for me. :lol:

You book 'em really early. Months in advance.
That's pretty much the case. Also theres a certain amount of seats allocated for this airfare so you better book them early and book them fast!

[QUOTE=oz.fil]thanks! damn pal! when i came to melbourne in 1996? pal flew direct from melbourne manila no stop over in sydney. i dont know why they stop over in sydney does anyone noe why?
A non-stop flight to MEL both ways would not be viable yet (demand, aircraft?) so they tag SYD along.

Siopao

June 17th, 2006, 12:42 AM

^^ Oh Thanks for confirming that!
The person who made this render must've been very talented to have designed a professional-looking logo. Very Believable LOL. Im glad that theyre not changing the logo. The render looks like a rip-off from a corporate logo.

Skyblade

June 17th, 2006, 12:45 AM

PAL's fleet are not that old...there are many bigger airline than PAL particularly in asia that operate older aircraft that PAL...

PAL A333/343 b744 is still on par w/majority of airlines but atleast they dont have these active flyers w/these carriers

THAI--A300b4

JAL A300-600 ----if im correct PAL operated these....i actually like A300-600...look like a 767

CHINA AIRLINES A300b4

heheh i remember Air Niugini uses A300b4 to manila...now they have a 767er which is they're only sole large aircraft.
One has to remember that an age of an aircraft is not just based on years, but based on cycles: the number of times an aircraft takes off, pressurizes, and lands. But indeed they are not that old but also as the cycles rake up, maintinence costs increases.

PAL never operated the A300-600, just the A300B4. JAL's A300-600s were inherited from the JAS merger (Japan Air System is now known as JAL Domestic while the original JAL is JAL International though they still operate domestic routes as well).

PAL will resume flying to Laoag effective July 7 on a 4x a week flight using their A320 aircraft.

Well it's good to hear that Laoag will finally get some mainline service again!

I think what Air Niugini uses is A310. Do they still operate currently in Manila... I think it has a once a week flight to Manila. Is the B767 they use now or the A310?

Currently Air Niugini operates a single 767 which is dedicated for it's international flights.

Skyblade

June 17th, 2006, 12:47 AM

^^ Seriously. :lol: I'd hate to see that tail go...

Sou-jiro

June 17th, 2006, 03:50 AM

I think what Air Niugini uses is A310. Do they still operate currently in Manila... I think it has a once a week flight to Manila. Is the B767 they use now or the A310?.

yep 767er here in seen in Sydney:

http://photos.airliners.net/photos/photos/2/2/1/0714122.jpg

Sou-jiro

June 17th, 2006, 03:58 AM

thanks! damn pal! when i came to melbourne in 1996? pal flew direct from melbourne manila no stop over in sydney. i dont know why they stop over in sydney does anyone noe why?

because it has changed...it has now become MNL-SYD instead of MNL-MELB.

now its MNL-SYD via MELB back then its was a 747 service....now its A330...i dont mind....A330 seats have more comfort than they're 744

Sou-jiro

June 17th, 2006, 04:10 AM

A non-stop flight to MEL both ways would not be viable yet (demand, aircraft?) so they tag SYD along.

most passenger in oz comes from sydney so thats why they fly SYD..not as many in MELB. as i said before it was a747 service in Sydney...now a bit more competition like qantas, singapore & lately cathay has gotton a large portion on passengers in SYD-MNL (via hk)....but im not a stop over fan

...so they use A330..(also PAL's rehab & asian financial crisis back then had parts to play in this)

i remember in 2003 & 2004 when people got off in MELB the A330 was still full as most got off in Sydney..a couple of FA's in PALs A333 have told me so back in 03 & also 04.
Qantas for example have SYD-MNL...also...it shows more market for that route here.

Brisbane is third option...Though most filipino's in Brisbane go w/Qantas....no PAL service there

WawaY[625]

June 17th, 2006, 04:17 AM

Damn, Cebu Pacific is going wild with low rates. Manila-Visayas for P568. Manila-Mindanao for P868. Manila-Hong Kong for P1999!

It makes me wanna fly around, going to places I have no business being in. :)
medyo misleading naman yan eh, kasi may mga add ons pa.. the cheapest manila-davao u can get is P2200 and P4000+ ang regular

Sou-jiro

June 17th, 2006, 04:26 AM

Yeah I'm pretty annoyed with the Mabuhay Miles website (well, more like entire FFM program as a whole! :bash: ). I'm not seeing it as well...or at least where it should be (under "Redeeming Miles")..

i am so annoyed about this too...the site is not user friendly enough....does anyone know how to use the points? can they be used for seat upgrades?/...or just flights...they should have charts there....i dont even know if my 16,000+ points are worth anything...i'll just let it expire

ow well...its probably not....you probably need a minimmun of 50,000
points just for a domestic destination...i wouldn't know...thats why i hope they put a chart there in the site

Sou-jiro

June 17th, 2006, 04:31 AM

i prefer the current logo...i prefer just "Philippines" not Philippine Airlines...thts kinda going backwards for me..

WawaY[625]

June 17th, 2006, 04:33 AM

plus if it were an official photo, bakit snow ang background?? :D

Sou-jiro

June 17th, 2006, 04:42 AM

plus if it were an official photo, bakit snow ang background?? :D

malay natin baka may winter na ngayon sa atin :D

Lili

June 17th, 2006, 05:17 AM

I like the original PAL logo. As @Skyblade said, it goes nicely with the tail.

http://i10.photobucket.com/albums/a137/ECdoesit/MNL20Manila20Ninoy20Aquino20Interna.jpg

xXx carlos xXx

June 17th, 2006, 05:26 AM

Cebu Pacific Air goes to Dipolog
Posted: 6:15 AM | Jun. 17, 2006

Daxim L. Lucas
Inquirer

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BUDGET airline Cebu Pacific Air started regular commercial flights to the southern city of Dipolog this week as the company's newly acquired aircraft allowed it to expand its domestic network.

The commercial service to Dipolog, the capital of Zamboanga del Norte province, is the airline's second domestic destination to be inaugurated this year, after its flight to the northern city of Laoag started earlier this month.

In a press statement, the airline said it would fly to Dipolog thrice weekly with its new Airbus A319 aircraft at an "introductory fare" of P688 for one-way travel.

Cebu Pacific president Lance Gokongwei said, "Dipolog is known for numerous tourist spots like Dakak Beach and Dapitan Bay as well as its sardine industry. It also showcases year-round festivities and presents itself as one of the major trade hubs in Mindanao."

At present, Cebu Pacific operates eight brand-new Airbus aircraft for its domestic and regional flights.

The Manila-Dipolog service departs Manila every Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday at 11:45 a.m. arriving in Dipolog at 1 p.m. The same plane leaves Dipolog at 1:30 p.m. to return to Manila at 2:45 p.m.

The airline's introductory fare is 77 percent cheaper than the prevailing airfare of other airlines serving Dipolog. The sale is effective from June 15 to 22 and is for travel from July 13 to Oct. 19. After this period, the year-round "Go" fares to Dipolog will start at P868 for one-way travel, which is approximately 70-percent cheaper than the current airfare.

FrancisXavier

June 17th, 2006, 05:58 AM

pero sana they do some painting on the body.. napaka bare kc tingnan ng current.. Look at thai airways, ang ganda... kingdom na kingdom ang dating with the purple something near the tail.

WawaY[625]

June 17th, 2006, 06:11 AM

^^ Seriously. :lol: I'd hate to see that tail go...

syempre naman, paano lilipad ang eroplano w/o the tail? :jk:

anyway, minsan d2 sa davao nakakita ako ng plane na walang logo.white lang lahat..i think a300 yun..

calling xzibit!!

anong plane yun?

KulasKusgan

June 17th, 2006, 06:29 AM

anyway, minsan d2 sa davao nakakita ako ng plane na walang logo.white lang lahat..i think a300 yun..

calling xzibit!!

anong plane yun?

pal yon. increase kasi presyo ng pintura, di muna nila pininturahan.

ewh1

June 17th, 2006, 06:46 AM

The logo is a TIMELESS CLASSIC.
it should never change.. or only very subtle change should me made.

BUT.
Redo the Fusulage... it looks too minimalistic for me, and thats from someone who likes clutter free looks.
They need to find a new Typeface for their logo.... Anyone can copy it using Arial Bold Italics plus it looks plain and unimaginative

WawaY[625]

June 17th, 2006, 06:51 AM

pal yon. increase kasi presyo ng pintura, di muna nila pininturahan.

jam?

KulasKusgan

June 17th, 2006, 07:56 AM

jam?

walay jam parekoy, pal daw to sya. :) someone mentioned it here before. was it xzibit or bustero. limot ko.

WawaY[625]

June 17th, 2006, 08:22 AM

a ok parekoy :)

luoya pud no?way pampintura hehe

OtAkAw

June 17th, 2006, 09:14 AM

Kung meron mang dapat palitan ang PAL, yun ay ang image and reputation niya! Unang una tayo sa Asia tapos ngayon isa sa pinaka poorest airline in almost every aspect, hay naku, anung ginawa ni Lucio Tan?!

BoNduRanT

June 17th, 2006, 09:30 AM

That logo doesnt look Filipino at all, mas bagay pa cya sa Malaysian Airlines. Nadisregard pa yung sini-symbol nun 8 rays ng sun.

Skyblade

June 17th, 2006, 12:07 PM

Anyone can copy it using Arial Bold Italics plus it looks plain and unimaginative
Gotta admit though, it did look pretty good back when it was introduced in the 80s. :lol:

Skyblade

June 17th, 2006, 12:14 PM

Your 16,000 miles are definitely redeemable for something as the website said that rewards can be redeemed for as little as 3,000. I assume (and hope) that it's most like not gonna be as steep as 50,000. If so, that's just robbery! :bash: Even Korean Air's domestic peak C ticket can be redeemed at 18,000 miles and JAL's domestic regular seat award is at 15,000. The Mabuhay Miles program is pretty generous so hopefully this also follows with rewards.

Skyblade

June 17th, 2006, 12:16 PM

^^ Good to hear some additional route expansion on 5J's behalf. :banana:

huistenmark

June 17th, 2006, 01:19 PM

WOW, Im glad to hear that 5J is flying to Dipolog...

huistenmark

June 17th, 2006, 01:25 PM

PAL never operated the A300-600, just the A300B4. JAL's A300-600s were inherited from the JAS merger (Japan Air System is now known as JAL Domestic while the original JAL is JAL International though they still operate domestic routes as well).

JAS' integration to JAL brought them big issues, especially JAS operated diferent type of aircrafts. AFAIK, JAS isn't known as JAL domestic and the old JAL as JAL Int'l. The old JAL just swallowed JAS in order to compete with ANA as JAS' domestic operation was bigger than JAL. They thought that with both airline operating under the JAL umbrella, they could compete head-to-head with ANA.

Sou-jiro

June 17th, 2006, 02:21 PM

just curious on what Philippine travel agents & airline packages cost in Phils
for example..

how much are 4 day package to HK from MNL for TWO (say w/ PAL ,5j or Cathay or whatever airline...how much is this usually...i saw alot of travel agent in MNL last time but never got to check the prices....

i heard 5j can starts from Php25k....dont kown if its true...im thinking maybe 40k plus??...but im not sure

also say 4 day MNL-BKK

oz.fil

June 17th, 2006, 02:47 PM

How awful is Qantas... I heard its a 5 star airline isn't it? How was QF?

Here's PR Melbourne sked...
MEL-MNL
WSaSu - Dep/Arr - 7:25-16:35 - via SYD- PR210 - A330

MNL-MEL
TFSa - Dep/Arr - 20:05-06:05 - PR209 - A330

according to skytrax qantas is a 4 star airline. well, i think its just the syd-mnl flight that isnt very good, they use a really old B767-300, they dont have very good entertainment, the flight attendants dont smile, the food isnt very good and my earphones didnt work... their chairs wernt very comfortable either... but i think on other international flights their really good. my dad used them to go to hong kong and he said they were pretty good ptvs and everything. so i think its just the syd-mnl route... but i wouldnt fly with them for a while.. thanks for the sked, hey the last one PR209 is that a direct flight to manlia from melbourne or is that via sydney as well?

oz.fil

June 17th, 2006, 02:59 PM

PAL's fleet are not that old...there are many bigger airline than PAL particularly in asia that operate older aircraft that PAL...

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yehs but the thing is with most asian carriers is that they make the inside look completely new and modern. the problem with pal is they have older products on a young plane.

Sou-jiro

June 17th, 2006, 03:09 PM

^^^ well just have too wait when new Airbuses join the PAL fleet.

btw...you can go PAL....MNL 7:30pm ish (MNL time) arriving MELB around 5:30 am (or close...the next day) (AEST time)

oz.fil

June 17th, 2006, 03:16 PM

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Qantas for example have SYD-MNL...also...it shows more market for that route here.

Brisbane is third option...Though most filipino's in Brisbane go w/Qantas....no PAL service there

nearly all of qantas's international flights originate from sydney. the only melbourne international flights i noe of are MEL to LAX, singapore, tokyo, narita, osaka, new york, london, paris, bali? and hong kong. i remember reading about why this is on one of the aviation forums in the oz section and ppl are saying because its cheaper and cost effective for qanats to have most international flights out of sydney then out of melbourne or brisbane.

yehs when i took QF to sydney from manila it was via brisbane. about a quarter of the plane got off there. before that i thought most filipinos lived in sydney and melbourne. nice to see that filipino ppl are everywhere :)

Sou-jiro

June 17th, 2006, 03:28 PM

i dont know why that is but they're hubs are in Sydney/Melb & in Singapure's Changi) :)

Qantas is nice i always fly w/them in the past when it was a 747 (w/almost all filipino crew including Capt.)service to MNL if they keep using 767...i prefer not using them.....another is Royal Brunei using 767er on SYD-MNL run via Brunei. They should use they're A340.

anyway im happy PAL uses A333 here...i do miss 744 though....i only really wanna ride on one particular 744 of PAL....no need to say which one of the 5 744 that is....otherwise i prefer they're Airbuses.... :)

oz.fil

June 17th, 2006, 03:31 PM

that rendering does look kind of weird... i love the pal livery atm moment but it wouldnt hurt to change... like thai's logo is just ... :eek2: omg lol. id say keep the logo just change it a bit, add more color to the fuselage and a different font for 'Philippines'. but other than that the livery is fine. but it would be nice to see other renderings of pal in different liveries. :)

oz.fil

June 17th, 2006, 04:03 PM

i dont know why that is but they're hubs are in Sydney/Melb & in Singapure's Changi) :)

Qantas is nice i always fly w/them in the past when it was a 747 (w/almost all filipino crew including Capt.)

i wish qantas brings back the 747 on the manila route and open a route to manila out of melbourne. i went back to manila using qantas in 1999, i dont remmber anything about wat plane it was or any of the fa's, i was too young to remember anything, too busy with the kiddie books they gave me :) do you know when they stopped using the 747 on the manila flights someguy? or anyone else for that matter. yehs all the capital cities in oz have a qantas international flight to singapore... probably so because the passengers dont have to fly to sydney for other international flights, instead tranfer in singapore instead. :rofl:

Sou-jiro

June 17th, 2006, 04:27 PM

JustHorace

June 17th, 2006, 04:28 PM

For me, yung body lang ang dapat palitan. It's so plain...plain white. Yung current font ng "Philippines" is ok to me. Pero PAL has yet to tackle more serious problems...

MetropolitanBoy

June 17th, 2006, 05:03 PM

I personally don't like it. :)

bagel

June 17th, 2006, 05:40 PM

Hehehe.. yeah when the Arial Bold Italic font was introduced in the 80s, PAL's "Philippines" was very distinctive and modern! :lol:

Right now, I suggest a return to serif fonts (well, I don't think PAL ever had a serif typeface). I always liked Book Antiqua or something.. I think it looks classy.

Sou-jiro

June 18th, 2006, 02:35 AM

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/photos/big/00001426.jpg

maybe for short time...just like when they had MD-11....but looks like a fake pix to me...

dive-cebu

June 18th, 2006, 04:20 AM

and i believe that the current logo has 8 rays of the sun, the same as the 8 rays in our national flag... btw, i personally don't like that "new" logo...

^^ The sun was never like the one in the national flag. It was always like this: http://www.iata.or.kr/bsp/bsp_korea/img/logo33.gif

anyways, I hope ANYONE could confirm that this is the official logo.

sugarboy

June 18th, 2006, 04:51 AM

They won't be changing the existing logo that easy. Grabe ang cost which will be involved in changing logos. The current one was executed by an S.F. based outfit known worldwide for corporate identity and there was a lot of friction made during its development in the mid 80s.

Google ninyo ang Landor & Associates.

Skyblade

June 18th, 2006, 06:13 AM

Google ninyo ang Landor & Associates.
I.e. the guys that made quality past/current colorschemes for JAL, Cathay Pacific, Northwest, British Airways, bmi/British Midland, Austrian Airlines, Gulfair, and Delta's Song. A genious of a company when it comes to creating new liveries! :D

Skyblade

June 18th, 2006, 06:24 AM

JAS' integration to JAL brought them big issues, especially JAS operated diferent type of aircrafts. AFAIK, JAS isn't known as JAL domestic and the old JAL as JAL Int'l. The old JAL just swallowed JAS in order to compete with ANA as JAS' domestic operation was bigger than JAL. They thought that with both airline operating under the JAL umbrella, they could compete head-to-head with ANA.
Yeah JAS was integrated into JAL but the tags are the reminders of what was once the two airlines. From my observations in my spotting trips @ Chitose, flights with former JAS aircraft and flights had the "JAL Domestic" while the original JAL had "JAL International" tags, even in domestic flights. Have to admit though, the A300s do look good in JAL's livery. :D

yehs but the thing is with most asian carriers is that they make the inside look completely new and modern. the problem with pal is they have older products on a young plane.
Back when PAL took delivery of the 744, the product was acceptable during that time but of course, in-flight products do evolve over the years...

IsaganiZenze

June 18th, 2006, 07:25 AM

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/photos/big/00001426.jpg

maybe for short time...just like when they had MD-11....but looks like a fake pix to me...

definitely fake

...look at those pixels around the plane...compared to around

IsaganiZenze

June 18th, 2006, 07:35 AM

if they were going to repaint PAL in the livery in the first page...i would rather have this one:

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/photos/big/00000468.jpg

huistenmark

June 18th, 2006, 10:05 AM

Yeah JAS was integrated into JAL but the tags are the reminders of what was once the two airlines. From my observations in my spotting trips @ Chitose, flights with former JAS aircraft and flights had the "JAL Domestic" while the original JAL had "JAL International" tags, even in domestic flights. Have to admit though, the A300s do look good in JAL's livery. :D

Hmm.. never noticed that in NGO and KIX/ITM.. some Mad-dogs have been repainted to JAL's colours but others still carry the JAS colours, i guess they're waiting for D-check to repaint them.. sadly the A300s and the Mad-dogs will have to go soon. It's part of JAL's long term plan to minimise aircraft type.

Skyblade

June 18th, 2006, 10:27 AM

I've seen it in MAP as well...just fix the sunrays.

Skyblade

June 18th, 2006, 10:33 AM

It's pretty much what alot of airlines are doing as well especially in this day and age of cost-cutting. The MD-80s/90s and A-300s really don't match up in terms of commonality with the rest of the fleet. It's economical for the airline but it means less variety for the spotter. :\

dive-cebu

June 18th, 2006, 03:25 PM

ianers_ianized

June 18th, 2006, 03:55 PM

I agree that the fuselage must be change... 5J had a good one yellow lines under its planes.... plus they had advertise the website there its www.cebupacificair.com. I think copy that concept to emirates with web address on all their aircrafts fuselage. For PAL, on the other hand, it would be great if they print their famoust taglines in their fuselage like QF's "The Spirit of Australia", "The Australian Airline", "Longreach". PAL's taglines like "Asia's First Airline", "Asia's Sunniest"(I doubt if they will use this again as this corporate tagline did not made it to materialize), "56 years Serving you with Pride"(their anniversary tagline), "The Filipino Airline"(an invented one) and "It's about experience" (their current tagline)

It would be good if they had print a big word but only shadowed gray colored font "Pilipinas" on the fuselage like ala Emirates and new Qatar livery to give a more sense of nationalistic appeal.

BoNduRanT

June 18th, 2006, 04:19 PM

dive-cebu

June 18th, 2006, 04:23 PM

^^ much better... i think putting 'Mabuhay' is also a good idea. That's uniquely filipino, right?

JustHorace

June 18th, 2006, 04:25 PM

^^beautiful!
I like PAL's body that way. Basta medyo mas light lang ang colors :D

MetropolitanBoy

June 18th, 2006, 05:02 PM

Nice one Bondurant. How about the rays extending throughout the fuselage? Too much? It's worth a try. Perhaps it would really liven up the plane if done nicely. :)

BoNduRanT

June 18th, 2006, 05:11 PM

Thanks guys :)

cosmoManila: I adjusted the yellow. I think you were pertaining to that one. Medyo dark nga hehehe

MetropolitanBoy: Ill try. hehehehe

oz.fil

June 18th, 2006, 06:10 PM

How about this one.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3/abercromb24/paB787lconceptlivery002.jpg

It still incorporates the current logo and some livery sa fuselage so it doesnt look bare. :)

ianers_ianized: I was thinking of a huge Mabuhay sa fugelage. Like the ones they use for their Mabuhay Miles hehehehe.

wow, yeh i like this one ;] yehs i agree they should put like a tag line in grey underneath the 'Philippines'. i personally like 'The Filipino Airline', or 'Pilipinas' or 'The Pearl of the Orient' or 'The Pearl of the Orient in the Sky'... love that rendering, eliminates the negative space on the fuselage :)

oz.fil

June 18th, 2006, 06:13 PM

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/photos/big/00001426.jpg

maybe for short time...just like when they had MD-11....but looks like a fake pix to me...

looks like a B757 if you ask me...

richard fischer

June 18th, 2006, 06:16 PM

looks like a B757 if you ask me...

it is, it is a 757.....

oz.fil

June 18th, 2006, 06:20 PM

^^^ if im correct just late 2005 they were still using 747 ....now 90% its 767er though at times they will use A330-200 (or even 300) occasionally but thats from here in SYD..

if use notice the Aust flights to MNL Both MELB and BRIS are stop overs (thats why it says MNL-SYD via MELB if PAL or BRIS if qantas).

thats because most passenger in the route is in Syd otherwise it will be MNL-MELB via SYD...(gets) :)

maybe qantas cannot fill up 747 to Manila thats why they use 767. thats my guess (which makes sense...i mean PAL use to send 747 in Sydney now its A333.....

btw to your question earlier...welll tomorrow (if your prepare to get up really early and go to Melb Airport Tullamarine) you will see PAL's A333....but as i said earlier you have to be early....thats gonna be hard specially now its winter its so cold in the morning...hehe just a suggestion :)

ahahaha i could, ill do that next time pal comes around.. wednesday is it? lol i stay up till 3am anyway might as well stay up till 5 and go to the airport. makes the winter break more fun to go plane spotting :)

maybe when i went back late last year i was just unlucky to get the 767 ahah. the brisbane stop over was on the way back btw, manila to sydney via brissie. i dont know if qantas has a sydney to manila via brisbane tho...

BoNduRanT

June 18th, 2006, 08:02 PM

xDieselJockx

June 18th, 2006, 09:08 PM

Damn dude, that's a one serious design. You should get a copy right on that and propose it as a design for PAL. Excellent job !!!

ewh1

June 18th, 2006, 09:50 PM

i dunno.. its alright.

I Think what would be be better is a sort of Metalic Gold looking color on the fusalage.

or even a lighter color on the Philippine Airlines Korea Website

http://www.philippineair.co.kr/

sugarboy

June 18th, 2006, 10:36 PM

if they were going to repaint PAL in the livery in the first page...i would rather have this one:

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/photos/big/00000468.jpg

If anyone knew the friction that went up during the 80s corporate identity change of PAL, one would easily tell that this design would not pass. It's actually a long story which set back PAL by a few millions plus the frustration of the Landor designers.

IsaganiZenze

June 18th, 2006, 10:49 PM

If anyone knew the friction that went up during the 80s corporate identity change of PAL, one would easily tell that this design would not pass. It's actually a long story which set back PAL by a few millions plus the frustration of the Landor designers.

oooo...i wanna know now!!! what is the story, why this wouldn't pass?

richard fischer

June 18th, 2006, 11:14 PM

Ginanahan lang ako gumawa :laugh:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3/abercromb24/palB747conceptlivery01-mabuhay.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3/abercromb24/palA340conceptlivery01-mabuhay.jpg

Metropolitanboy: I had a hard time trying to figure out the approach for the sun rays to extend to the fuselage. I thought it would somewhat create a "conflict" with that single swoosh/streak I did hehehe

very nice approach with that mabuhay sign below the PHILIPPINES. you guys are very creative. keep it all up guys, very nice thread !

ewh1

June 19th, 2006, 12:37 AM

here is a pretty nice Flight Review for PAL

http://www.aviationpast.com/PRTrip1.html

sandrin

June 19th, 2006, 03:18 AM

Ginanahan lang ako gumawa :laugh:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3/abercromb24/palB747conceptlivery01-mabuhay.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3/abercromb24/palA340conceptlivery01-mabuhay.jpg

Metropolitanboy: I had a hard time trying to figure out the approach for the sun rays to extend to the fuselage. I thought it would somewhat create a "conflict" with that single swoosh/streak I did hehehe

nice...but what if you paint it with more blue than red. i have a problem with the red fuselage. it seems like a "toro" is going to chase it in spain :runaway: bull run :runaway:

MetropolitanBoy

June 19th, 2006, 03:35 AM

Bondurant... No sweat. Still nice work. It still respects the old design and yet the color extensions update the look. :)

Lili

June 19th, 2006, 03:47 AM

Ginanahan lang ako gumawa :laugh:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3/abercromb24/palB747conceptlivery01-mabuhay.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3/abercromb24/palA340conceptlivery01-mabuhay.jpg

Metropolitanboy: I had a hard time trying to figure out the approach for the sun rays to extend to the fuselage. I thought it would somewhat create a "conflict" with that single swoosh/streak I did hehehe

Cool @Bondurant. :okay: Have it trademarked or patented so that if PAL uses it, they have to pay you. ;)

sugarboy

June 19th, 2006, 03:59 AM

oooo...i wanna know now!!! what is the story, why this wouldn't pass?

Allow me to summarize. The original design by Landor had the same colors except that the blue was interchanged with the red. If you recall, the slogan then was, "A new sun rises". Feng shui dictated that the design then by Landor depicted a setting sun rather than a rising sun.

It's a long story as to how the Feng shui people came into the picture pero part of the incidents which led to this was when a PAL plane overshot the tarmac and rolled into the South Superhighway.

At this time, PAL had already implemented the "sunset logo" into a number of its planes and thus had to redo the paintjobs just to switch the red and blue.

The Feng shui factor may explain why this design will never see the light of day.http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/photos/big/00005054.jpg

oz.fil

June 19th, 2006, 05:00 AM

oz.fil

June 19th, 2006, 05:08 AM

just wondering... does pal have any daily international flights?

xXx carlos xXx

June 19th, 2006, 05:36 AM

^^ yep.... san fransisco and LA flights are sometimes even twice a day...

Askal82

June 19th, 2006, 05:52 AM

Brilliant design @ bondurant. You further improved the aesthetics yet preserved the current logo of the craft by simply extending the existing design alll the way to its fuselage.

Skyblade

June 19th, 2006, 06:01 AM

Allow me to summarize. The original design by Landor had the same colors except that the blue was interchanged with the red. If you recall, the slogan then was, "A new sun rises". Feng shui dictated that the design then by Landor depicted a setting sun rather than a rising sun.

It's a long story as to how the Feng shui people came into the picture pero part of the incidents which led to this was when a PAL plane overshot the tarmac and rolled into the South Superhighway.

At this time, PAL had already implemented the "sunset logo" into a number of its planes and thus had to redo the paintjobs just to switch the red and blue.

Never heard about that tidbit before, thanks for sharing sugarboy. :D

Anyhow, another nice rendering you got there, BoNduRanT. :)

aUen

June 19th, 2006, 06:02 AM

PAL flies to SFO once everynight with their B744 plus their A340 on fridays.

would be cool to see both parked in the international terminal.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0596503/L/

now theres an hour interval between two flights, on fridays.

Skyblade

June 19th, 2006, 06:06 AM

here is a pretty nice Flight Review for PAL

http://www.aviationpast.com/PRTrip1.html
Good to hear another positive trip report on PAL. :okay:

just wondering... does pal have any daily international flights?
To compliment xXx carlos xXx's post, PAL flies daily to Hong Kong (3x daily), Singapore (2x), Tokyo, and Seoul (both 1x respectively).

PAL flies to SFO once everynight with their B744 plus their A340 on fridays.

would be cool to see both parked in the international terminal.
We get the same treat down here on Wednesdays and Saturdays. Usually the A343 and 744 are parked side by side in the Tom Bradley Int'l Terminal. It really does put a smile seeing two of those tails together admist the diversity of international airlines in TBIT. :D

BoNduRanT

June 19th, 2006, 08:23 AM

Thanks a lot guys :)

Im not sure about the copyright thing, it cost a lot and your not even sure where it will lead you, does this thing even qualify for a copyright? hehehe Im sure PAL has its own brilliant designers. They should just hire me instead :laugh:

Sou-jiro

June 19th, 2006, 12:55 PM

it is, it is a 757.....

its a 757 but a fake pic...

Sou-jiro

June 19th, 2006, 01:01 PM

here is a pretty nice Flight Review for PAL

http://www.aviationpast.com/PRTrip1.html

yeh i read that a on the weekend while googling...very nice indeed!!

Sou-jiro

June 19th, 2006, 01:11 PM

Very nice work Bondurant!!...send these to Lucio Tan.....

Sou-jiro

June 19th, 2006, 01:23 PM

unfinished...i do it bit by bit when i have time...alot of material i used are stuff just lying around.....dont have enough space

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/justsomeguy02/MYAIRPORT.jpg

does anyone know if PAL sells they're diecast plane during they're flight?ant what scale?

is there a place in Manila i can but Herpa PAL? PAL specifically

oz.fil

June 19th, 2006, 01:23 PM

has anyone heard when pal would start refleeting their widebodies? or of any new routes pal hopes to open in the near future? :)

rmb

June 19th, 2006, 02:12 PM

nice one.. but now red dominates.. :)

xDieselJockx

June 19th, 2006, 02:22 PM

the 747 kinda looks like a cargo plane...

Cargo planes doesn't really have windows on it's sides, if it used to be a passenger liner, they still cover it up. Some cargo plane still have some windows and it's towards the front and the upper deck. Most 747 cargoes aare usually the 747-200 version, the picture that was posted above was a 744. :)

xXx carlos xXx

June 19th, 2006, 03:00 PM

has anyone heard when pal would start refleeting their widebodies? or of any new routes pal hopes to open in the near future? :)

i hope this will answer your questions...

http://www.geocities.com/mitgc2004/May_2006_1.jpg

Siopao

June 20th, 2006, 12:25 AM

and i believe that the current logo has 8 rays of the sun, the same as the 8 rays in our national flag... btw, i personally don't like that "new" logo...

I was talking about the deisgn of the sun rays.

richard fischer

June 20th, 2006, 06:43 AM

this design may be striking at the first moment. but come to think of it, it is quite similar to CEBs livery consept. it picks up the idea of prolonging the colors down under the plane.

ianers_ianized

June 20th, 2006, 01:06 PM

I've also thought about this... it is much copying the similar concepts of other airline logo extrensions like QF, EK, TG, Sri Lankan...

this design may be striking at the first moment. but come to think of it, it is quite similar to CEBs livery consept. it picks up the idea of prolonging the colors down under the plane.

@bondurant: Try putting the shadow concept of word "Pilipinas" in place of Mabuhay but a bit hidden under name of Philippines.
Like this
Pilipinas

Pls add also a tagline like "Asia's First Airline" or "It's about experience" under the first row of windows in small fonts but bold letter. "hope you try this too.

ianers_ianized

June 20th, 2006, 01:18 PM

just wondering... does pal have any daily international flights?
To compliment xXx carlos xXx's post, PAL flies daily to Hong Kong (3x daily), Singapore (2x), Tokyo, and Seoul (both 1x respectively). And to add to that PAL also flies once daily to Bangkok, Ho Chi Minh City, Taipei and Shanghai.

yep 767er here in seen in Sydney:Is this also current service to manila/ I hope PX expands routes and fleet coz their logo is one of the best in the airline industry.

i hope this will answer your questions...
http://www.geocities.com/mitgc2004/May_2006_1.jpgHow did you get this? Are you a PAL employee? I also have this news udpate from my mom she works at PAL. I'm just about to report this too here but unfortunatrely I lost it.

Anyway...
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/ianers_ianized/PAL.jpg

here it is... I'm happy that PAL is considering A346 and B773 in their lists 'hope they'll pick this aircraft. But it seems that they will buy more A330s. I hope that these aircrafts will all have PTVs in their economies and improve product services serve and install in these planes to keep up in the competition of best inflight services. But base on their plan of refleeting it seems their progress in adding up their fleet is slow as years adds. Only 43 aircraft by 2011.

_zner_

June 20th, 2006, 02:06 PM

^^ so if thats the case, is PAL going up a notch to a 4star airline(?)?

hehe.. dont know much about airplanes.. :D

oz.fil

June 20th, 2006, 03:22 PM

oz.fil

June 20th, 2006, 03:27 PM

Cargo planes doesn't really have windows on it's sides, if it used to be a passenger liner, they still cover it up. Some cargo plane still have some windows and it's towards the front and the upper deck. Most 747 cargoes aare usually the 747-200 version, the picture that was posted above was a 744. :)
umm yeh i knew that... but to me the colors look like its more for a cargo plane on the 744

xXx carlos xXx

June 20th, 2006, 03:57 PM

And to add to that PAL also flies once daily to
How did you get this? Are you a PAL employee? I also have this news udpate from my mom she works at PAL. I'm just about to report this too here but unfortunatrely I lost it.

no... i just found that in other forums

MetropolitanBoy

June 20th, 2006, 04:01 PM

Wow! An A370? When will that come to reality? How does it even look? I wonder...

MetropolitanBoy

June 20th, 2006, 04:06 PM

BoNduRanT

June 20th, 2006, 04:46 PM

Thanks SoMeGuY and rmb.

I tried a different approach on its fuselage livery again. Much simpler this time.

ianers_ianized: I was kinda hesitant at first to put the word Pilipinas. I though "overkill" na masyado ang Philippines and Pilipinas in one place. I tried it, decided to make it bigger, stretching it to the fuselage and I like how it looked. So I decided to stick with it :)

I was thinking of "7,107 Islands, 7,107 Experiences" as tagline but Asia's First Airline seems more fitting :)

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3/abercromb24/palA330conceptlivery02-01.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3/abercromb24/palB747conceptlivery02-02.jpg

Skyblade

June 21st, 2006, 03:56 AM

And to add to that PAL also flies once daily to Bangkok, Ho Chi Minh City, Taipei and Shanghai.

I didn't notice the increases of frequency until now...still used to seeing BKK and PVG on 4x (pre 2nd bat Thanks for the correction.

I hope that these aircrafts will all have PTVs in their economies and improve product services serve and install in these planes to keep up in the competition of best inflight services.
I'm sure they will add PTVs or provide an equivalent (i.e. DigE Players) as this is becoming a standard amongst airlines...unless they REALLY do not see a need for it (like United in postponing/cancelling the installation of PTVs in Economy for their 744 fleet as it didn't seem to bring as much ROI as compared to upgrading the premium cabins but then again these planes are already in the middle of their lives with United anyways.)

Wow! An A370? When will that come to reality? How does it even look? I wonder...
The A370 is a tentative name to the successor of the A350 project which is currently going through some reconsiderations.

ianers_ianized

June 21st, 2006, 05:48 AM

^ i like it too... very nationalistic... i think it would be better for PAL to have this design. "Mabuhay" is also unique. I think it is going to be great and balance if Mabuhay is printed in other side and Pilipinas on the side of fuselage. But the same print design like Mabuhay you first made. But this is great too. Keep up the good work.

But the problem with this extended design is... it is also the the other concept design of other airlines with extended logos like.. QF, TG, 5J, Sri Lankan, EK...

AH-7Raja

June 21st, 2006, 05:59 AM

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3/abercromb24/palA330conceptlivery02-01.jpg

much better but still not the best. i hate the layout of the sun, not too round, and the rays doesnt look good.

AH-7Raja

June 21st, 2006, 06:02 AM

if they were going to repaint PAL in the livery in the first page...i would rather have this one:

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/photos/big/00000468.jpg

i love this one, a lot better than the other one, just less the RP SEAL. RP SEAL should only be painted in government owned aircrafts including the military planes. while the "philippines" should be painted in blue, with greyish huge letters "Pilipinas" at the back ground similar to the other one.

BoNduRanT

June 21st, 2006, 06:33 AM

richard fischer

June 21st, 2006, 07:03 AM

ianers_ianized: I also thought that aside from Pilipinas, they should also paint each of their aircraft's fuselage with pinoy words like, Katatagan, Kaunlaran, Kapayapaan, nationalistic words kumabaga, in the same manner as Pilipinas :) That would be really nice.

As for the photo above, I didnt notice it until now. Andami nya palang sun rays. Thats too much. 8 rays is the key. Symbolism is very important on corporate logos, especially with companies that represent our country.

your gray color "second word" design is a really good idea. it should "appetize " people though to visit the country, make them curious to look up where it is located and what this country stands for. it should catalize tourism where ever the plane lands. so in my opinion it should not be a tagalog word no one internationally will understand.
philippines
paradise islands
or someting like this would make onlookers curious.
it´s to benefit the country and the airline as prominent tourism developer, don´t you agree ?

oz.fil

June 21st, 2006, 08:34 AM

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3/abercromb24/palB747conceptlivery02-02.jpg

i like this one :) looks kinda like orient thai dont you think? but i like it, less red more blue ;]. i love the grey background word pilipinas gives it a more homey touch. i like the tagline '7,107 islands, 7107 experiences' one, very catchy...

oz.fil

June 21st, 2006, 08:40 AM

From the cities you've mentioned, PAL would only be able to service:

NYC, Brisbane, Paris and Milan

Why? Because those cities have higher Filipino population.

But PAL just decreased their frequency to the Middle East, and to think, that's the capital of the OFW. I guess it's just having a hard time competing with the more aggressive carriers such as SQ, Gulf Air, Emirates and Qatar. They also fly to Europe so that's another downside for PAL.

:goodbye:
abit off topic but...
ive heard there are alot of filipino communities in madrid, amsterdam, london and auckland, they even advertised these communities on tfc... well madrid and london, but ive heard about growing communities in auckland and amsterdam. doesnt toronto have a high filipino population also?

BoNduRanT

June 21st, 2006, 09:46 AM

Orient Thai's livery is a ripoff from British Airways :laugh:

IsaganiZenze

June 21st, 2006, 10:36 AM

i don't think it's quite similar to orient thai

I love what you did with the livery bondurant!!! i think PAL should adapt it.

huistenmark

June 21st, 2006, 11:24 AM

MetropolitanBoy

June 21st, 2006, 11:34 AM

There's a sizeable Filipino community in London and Madrid, but im not sure if it's enough to guarantee a profitable operations for PAL. EK, EY, QR, GF, TG, MH, SQ, CX offers connection to Manila frolm London, and TG, QR from Madrid to Manila so PR might have a hard time competing with these carriers. PR should revamp their product and atleast go at par with these airlines. PAL should offer a direct flight, then, people might just take that for convenience, not to mention the 'at home' feeling flying your own National carrier..... I would love to see PR in LHR... that'd be the day!!

PAL used to fly to CGD and LHR. then the Asian crisis hit and PAL suffered a closure in 1998. Since then, PAL has only attempted to open flights to Frankfurt and Milan. Both attempts failed because Germany was willing to give them access to Hamburg while the Italians wanted them to pay high landing fees for the Milan airport. Rome is too packed as it is.

Perhaps one day, Europe will be in the destination map of PAL.

:dance:

ianers_ianized

June 21st, 2006, 12:14 PM

i hope pal becomes a 4 star airline... i think once their new wide bodies are delivered and fitted with up to date entertainment systems theyd move up a notch... also when they expand routes, more in america (new york jfk, chicago, houston, mexico city, toronto), start again in europe (paris cdg, london heathrow, milan, amsterdam schipol, madrid and frankfurt) and more destinations in oceana (eg auckland, adelaide, brisbane) :). also cape town south africa? but these are just suggestions =]

Hopefully too... they become a four star airline... Royal Brunei was already a 5 star thinking that PAL has many destinations and planes than BI. But I think PR is currently working seriously in improving its inflight services. Thus, to become a 4 star airline.
First it had Goldilucks to be serve on inflight snacks - domestic & international. Then, Bvlgari Amenity kits were given on its First & Mabuhay Class passengers. They also improve their Junior Jetsetter Kit for kids flying onboard by featuring Scoody Doo. In previous years it featured the different cartoons owned by Cartoon Network.
And now, last March 2006 "One by One Service" was introduced (according to PALiner). This concept was made to create a restaurant feel in its Mabuhay & First Class passenger by serving meals one by one, by choices of the passenger like ala restaurant. But I'm not sure if this was continually served. But according to my friend in PLC all crew were currently under rigid training for One by One Service.

For new destinations: I think in europe... milan and rome are potential market also paris, amsterdam and london. Esp. in rome and milan... italy has the most no. of filipinos in europe, right? Toronto and auckland are also potential since there are growing communities of Filipinos there. New Delhi should also be considered since there arew quite a growing number of Indian communities here.

IAnd if PR will begin flying to South America... Santiago, Chile would be a good idea... I think Chile has the largest community of Filipinos among South American countries

sandrin

June 21st, 2006, 12:17 PM

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3/abercromb24/palA330conceptlivery02-01.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3/abercromb24/palB747conceptlivery02-02.jpg

i like the design especially if painted with a brighter blue and red.
now, install the ptv on all seats please...

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/photos/big/00000468.jpg
i also like this design but preferably with the original sunrise logo

ianers_ianized

June 21st, 2006, 12:23 PM

ianers_ianized: I also thought that aside from Pilipinas, they should also paint each of their aircraft's fuselage with pinoy words like, Katatagan, Kaunlaran, Kapayapaan, nationalistic words kumabaga, in the same manner as Pilipinas :) That would be really nice.

As for the photo above, I didnt notice it until now. Andami nya palang sun rays. Thats too much. 8 rays is the key. Symbolism is very important on corporate logos, especially with companies that represent our country.

I'm also thinking that idea! aside from Mabuhay... it also be good to have - Maharlika, Dangal, Diwa,...
But Pilipinas alone is already striking but I wish it would be printed in similar Mabuhay print you made and not extended logo but you made good job. Hey ha... the grey color print is my idea credit moko pag na-hire ka ng PAL magdesign ng fuselage nila or pag-nagpa-patented ka ok? :D

BoNduRanT

June 21st, 2006, 02:12 PM

Sure thing ianers_ianized :) This kind of design is not under patent, copyright lang cya mako-qualify, nagresearch ako about it :laugh:

OtAkAw

June 21st, 2006, 02:18 PM

Ang galing naman ni Bondurant, photoshop? sana matuto din ako hehehe

BoNduRanT

June 21st, 2006, 02:24 PM

Thanks OtAkAw :) Yup sa photoshop ko siya ginagawa.

oz.fil

June 21st, 2006, 03:29 PM

There's a sizeable Filipino community in London and Madrid, but im not sure if it's enough to guarantee a profitable operations for PAL. EK, EY, QR, GF, TG, MH, SQ, CX offers connection to Manila frolm London, and TG, QR from Madrid to Manila so PR might have a hard time competing with these carriers. PR should revamp their product and atleast go at par with these airlines. PAL should offer a direct flight, then, people might just take that for convenience, not to mention the 'at home' feeling flying your own National carrier..... I would love to see PR in LHR... that'd be the day!!
you can search up pics of pal at heathro at airliners.net latest photo was in 98 tho. yeh i agree pal should open up a direct flight from madrid also london, but atm they would only probably be able to fly there once a week... also good thing iberia and british airways doesnt fly to manila anymore... pal doesnt need anymore competition... maybe when pal starts to operate there BA and IB will come back to naia :)

ashton

June 22nd, 2006, 01:49 AM

hi, when did Royal Brunei became 5 star? If it's from Skytrax, as far as I know the following are 5 star rated airlines:

CX, QR, MH & SQ. Thanks. . . ;)

[QUOTE=ianers_ianized]Hopefully too... they become a four star airline... Royal Brunei was already a 5 star thinking that PAL has many destinations and planes than BI.

bustero

June 22nd, 2006, 04:03 AM

nice designs , why don't you collect these and send them to PAL and 5J, maybe they'll tkae it up as their livery

kunoL8

June 22nd, 2006, 08:12 AM

ianers_ianized

June 22nd, 2006, 11:06 AM

ianers_ianized

June 22nd, 2006, 11:13 AM

You have a nice diorama... i wish my schabaks would soon be too in that kind of airport diorama. are all your planes are Herpa models?

PAL sells 1 set of 2 Herpa models 1:500 scale of their B744 and A340 livery in their Fiesta Boutique for 26USD.
The Herpa model planes store in Makati Park Square is Lils Futaba. They also sell the same livery and other airline models.

unfinished...i do it bit by bit when i have time...alot of material i used are stuff just lying around.....dont have enough space

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/justsomeguy02/MYAIRPORT.jpg

does anyone know if PAL sells they're diecast plane during they're flight?ant what scale?

is there a place in Manila i can but Herpa PAL? PAL specifically

Sou-jiro

June 22nd, 2006, 01:37 PM

^^^^ Thanks for the info Man!....i will get it when i get the chance later this year....but it will be more likely on an A330 flight..A340 does come n sydney but its not common......i will look for that shop in Makati and when i go to Hongkong & Bangkok i'll see what kind of hobby shops they have...

yeh my planes are herpa......i made that diorama w/thing lying around...some stuff cost alot so i bit of imagination help(to save money hehe)

Sou-jiro

June 22nd, 2006, 01:47 PM

awesome bondurant........have you sent them to Lucio Tan yet??...hehe

xXx carlos xXx

June 22nd, 2006, 05:06 PM

is it true??

philippine airlines have 4 more orders of 747's... and is now operating two A319's???

i saw it in wikipedia kasi eh....

Skyblade

June 23rd, 2006, 12:54 AM

The A319s haven't been delievered yet and the 4 744s that have been on order were deferred since 1998 and it is VERY unlikely, if not impossible, that PR will recieve them (though they still have/had a deposit with Boeing for that order) as the final slots for the 744 production line are already filled and all 747s from then on will be the 748.

xXx carlos xXx

June 23rd, 2006, 02:16 AM

^^ kaya nga eh.... i doubted it.... just making sure...

sooo... what will happen to PR's deposit??

MetropolitanBoy

June 23rd, 2006, 02:24 AM

Deposits such as that may either be deferred or non-refundable. It's just like a reservation fee with apartments and flats. :)

sandrin

June 23rd, 2006, 02:30 AM

xXx carlos xXx

June 23rd, 2006, 02:34 AM

i thought Merpati flies to Davao.... i could be wrong..

Sou-jiro

June 24th, 2006, 12:34 AM

tigidig14

June 24th, 2006, 01:00 AM

kawawa yung mga russo, may balak pang pumunta ng tawi tawi LOL

richard fischer

June 24th, 2006, 08:26 AM

Filipino-Russian airline to expand in Mindanao

Last updated 05:31am (Mla time) 06/23/2006
http://newsinfo.inq7.net/breakingnews/business/view_article.php?article_id=6173

COTABATO CITY -- A Filipino-Russian airline, Mosphil Aero Inc. will put up international and domestic flights in Mindanao, company president Ibragim Sharifkulov said.

“Our expansion in Mindanao is part of the company’s mission to provide air travel and cargo services to potential tourist destinations in the Philippines needing reliable means of transportation,” Sharifkulov said.

Possible destinations include Zamboanga, Jolo, Tawi-Tawi and Davao, he said.

The Mosphil Aero expansion will help accelerate economic activities and the promotion of Mindanao as a tourist destination, said Jesus Dureza, national peace adviser.

Indonesia’s Merpati Nusantara Airlines currently serves the route between General Santos City in Mindano and Manado in Indonesia, while South Phoenix flies from Zamboanga City to Kota Kinabalu and Sandakan in Malaysia.

Dureza said the government and business sector were working closely to promote flights to increase trade, investment and tourism over the next three years.

when and with what aircraft will they start their regular flights ? any website so far ?

Solblanc

June 24th, 2006, 09:47 AM

you might want to mention that PAL is Asia's oldest airline, not the first :)

oz.fil

June 24th, 2006, 11:36 AM

cebu pacific were to go intercontinental, what routes and aircraft would you think theyd take up? would they compete with pal on the same routes or would they serve other destinations that pal used to serve or dont serve?

if 5j were to go intercontinental i would definately want them to go to europe!!! london, paris, milan, amsterdam and frankfurt!!! also new york city and chicago! i would love to see them operate 744's a340-600s and t7's ;]

sandrin

June 25th, 2006, 03:13 AM

It wasn't mentioned and I found no infos on the web as to what aircraft they are using.

San Fernando airport expansion
BCDA approves new design study
http://www.mb.com.ph/BSNS2006062567676.html

The Bases Conversion Development Authority has approved the terms of reference (TOR) for the detailed engineering and design contract for the San Fernando Airport development in Poro Point, La Union that will pave the way for the airport’s planned expansion to accommodate bigger commercial airplanes like the B-737s.

With the BCDA approval of the TOR and the budget for the design project, the Poro Point Management Corp., a subsidiary of BCDA, can now push through with the bidding and eventual award of the contract to an engineering design consultant.

The detailed engineering design contract for the San Fernando Airport will determine the needed physical and navigational aspects of the planned development, as well as the consultant’s deliverables, project cost estimates and detailed plans, among others, to enable the airport to accommodate bigger planes. The design is expected to be finished late this year.

"This is a major step towards the development of San Fernando Airport in particular and the Poro Point Special Economic Zone in general," said BCDA Chairman Filadelfo Rojas Jr. "With an upgraded airport, more investors and tourists would come to Poro Point and La Union."

The BCDA is positioning Poro Point as a major entertainment and tourism hub in Northern Luzon because of its strategic location. Aside from the San Fernando airport, Poro Point also hosts a commercial seaport, an industrial zone and an entertainment center.

The current airport is currently served by at least one commercial airliner, Asian Spirit. However, the airport can only accommodate smaller turbo prop airplanes that carry a maximum of 60 passengers, while 737s have a 200-seat capacity.

Poro Point’s vast entertainment and tourism potential is underscored by the fact that La Union boasts some of the country’s finest beaches, and is a mere one hour drive to Baguio City. It is also a short distance away from the famed Hundred Islands in Pangasinan by sea, while the pilgrim town of Agoo and Manaoag are also close by.

Sou-jiro

June 25th, 2006, 02:13 PM

anyone know of a good reputable travel agent in Manila that offers good packages to hongkong & bangkok

WawaY[625]

June 25th, 2006, 02:44 PM

Filipino-Russian airline to expand in Mindanao

Last updated 05:31am (Mla time) 06/23/2006
http://newsinfo.inq7.net/breakingnews/business/view_article.php?article_id=6173

COTABATO CITY -- A Filipino-Russian airline, Mosphil Aero Inc. will put up international and domestic flights in Mindanao, company president Ibragim Sharifkulov said.

“Our expansion in Mindanao is part of the company’s mission to provide air travel and cargo services to potential tourist destinations in the Philippines needing reliable means of transportation,” Sharifkulov said.

Possible destinations include Zamboanga, Jolo, Tawi-Tawi and Davao, he said.

The Mosphil Aero expansion will help accelerate economic activities and the promotion of Mindanao as a tourist destination, said Jesus Dureza, national peace adviser.

Indonesia’s Merpati Nusantara Airlines currently serves the route between General Santos City in Mindano and Manado in Indonesia, while South Phoenix flies from Zamboanga City to Kota Kinabalu and Sandakan in Malaysia.

Dureza said the government and business sector were working closely to promote flights to increase trade, investment and tourism over the next three years.

correction, merpati flies between davao and Manado, both Zamboanga and GenSan dont have international flights ( though, if memory serves me right, Zamboanga once had flights to Labuan in Malaysia)

Merpati replaced BOuraq Airlines as the carrier bet. Davao and Manado (the first international flight in davao, followed by Malaysia Airlines' Dvo-Kota Kinabalu (ceased operations, but ive heard will resume soon, then SilkAIr's Davao_singapore, CebuPacific's Dvo-HKG (soon daw), Viva Macau's davao-macau-Moscow (august)

Dinho

June 25th, 2006, 03:52 PM

I'm surprised that Qatar Airways is only on 6th place when they had been claiming to be one of the three five star airlines in the world. But having just flown Qatar Airways this June, I would put them lower then PAL because the food they had served on my flight from Doha is actually worse than hospital food.

Airline of the Year 2006

Rank, Airline (2005 position)

01) British Airways (5th)
02) Qantas Airways (2nd)
03) Cathay Pacific (1st)
04) Thai Airways (7th)
05) Emirates (3rd)
06) Qatar Airways (8th)
07) Singapore Airlines (4th)
08) A.N.A (10th)
09) Malaysia Airlines (6th)
10) China Airlines (16th)

BA Airline of the year this time......

people here tell me BA's economy is no good though....

but in terms of safety BA & Qantas delivers... im surprize to see Qatar airways emerging...also ANA beating JAL...

BEST INFLIGHT ENTERTAINMENT

Emirates maintain their global leadership for Best Airline Inflight Entertainment, again securing 1st place in this ever more competitive category - Singapore Airlines 2nd, and Virgin Atlantic 3rd. Full results

BEST CABIN STAFF

Thai Airways scored another major success, named Worlds Best Cabin Staff for 2006 - with Qatar Airways moving from 5th last year to take 2nd place in the 2006 Awards, and Malaysia Airlines taking 3rd position. Full results

BEST ONBOARD CATERING

Gulf Air maintain their leadership across the Best Airline Catering sections of the World Airline Awards, ranking 1st, 2nd and 5th in the respective awards for First Class, Business Class and Economy Class. Full results

BEST BUSINESS CLASS

British Airways long haul, Club World Business class proves a winner, taking the award as Best Business Class for the second consecutive year - ahead of South African Airways (2nd) and Virgin Atlantic in 3rd. Full results

MetropolitanBoy

June 26th, 2006, 05:11 AM

True, but if you say old, it will kinda give a negative connotation. Like, it could mean decrepid and so on.

xXx carlos xXx

June 26th, 2006, 05:31 AM

i dont know if you guys have seen this....

an old philippine airlines commercial...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSQSOfc_2Bg

ianers_ianized

June 26th, 2006, 05:44 AM

so they sell these in all class?
I think so... they offere it in Fiesta Class and so with Mabuhay Class.

kunoL8

June 26th, 2006, 05:44 AM

^^ i agree. :)

tigidig14

June 26th, 2006, 05:57 AM

although its funny to conot
ang imong conot

allin101

June 26th, 2006, 07:02 AM

i dont know if you guys have seen this....

an old philippine airlines commercial...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSQSOfc_2Bg

thanks for sharing this advert from PAL, i still love this eventhought it was old, i hope PAL will have same or much better advert.

Skyblade

June 26th, 2006, 10:47 AM

i dont know if you guys have seen this....

an old philippine airlines commercial...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSQSOfc_2Bg
I spent hours on end posting that along with a slew of other airline commercials on YouTube and unfortunately I only have that and another "Shining Through" ad which is based on Cebu...otherwise, finding any other vintage PAL commercial is pure gold for me.

JustHorace

June 26th, 2006, 12:41 PM

^^beautiful ad.

Asian Spirit's landing gear sumablay again today...

WawaY[625]

June 26th, 2006, 01:09 PM

which asian spirit flight? nakuu they have davao-manila and davao-palau flights pa naman. kakahiya if yung davao-palau flight magkaproblema since intl flight yun, ano n alang isipin ng mga tga palau sa mga airlines ng pinas..haha

JustHorace

June 26th, 2006, 01:19 PM

^^Hindi, domestic lang siguro. Sa NAIA nangyari. Hindi sila maka-land..for 20 minutes. Yung nose kasi ng plane ayaw bumaba ata.

WawaY[625]

June 26th, 2006, 05:42 PM

was it an old plane or the new 4-engine plane that they use for Davao flights?

arrest161

June 27th, 2006, 09:19 AM

For my very 1st flight I used PAL and eversince I always use this particular airlines for my trips. I also tried cebu pacific early this year and I find the engine too noisy. They have in-flight games and sell tshirts and other stuff. I was able to buy 2 miniature plane models of their A320 which is a good souvenir. I also used the BAE146 jet of asian spirit and I find it relatively safe and comfortable. I would still stick to PAL however because of the miles earned during flights because being a Mabuhay Miles Elite member I am given an extra 25% bonus mileage points for every flight miles earned. The exclusive use of NAIA T2 for PAL is a welcome delight. The terminal is spacious, well-lit and I can be able to access their Mabuhay Lounge while waiting for departure I think it is one of the reasons why I chose PAL over other RP airlines.

JustHorace

June 27th, 2006, 12:54 PM

It's a 17-seater pala used for corporate charter flights.

bustero

June 27th, 2006, 06:22 PM

I think 5J would be very cautious in moving to widebody long haul flights as this is not their present business plan of low cost airline. It's possible that they deviate from this particular business model but I find it unlikely. I think their long term growth prospects point to increased regional flights using similar airlines like other classic LCC's. There really is still a lot of regional growth over the next 20 years specially with a rising Chinese tourism market that would like to also come here during their winters and of course greater economic integration within the region.

Should they decide to deviate and look at a mainline airline business model over the next 5 years, I think they would probably look at serving Cebu to the west coast rather than Europe. In europe there is huge huge competition with the hub and spoke airlines based in the ME which is also a very large Filipino market. Nevertheless even PR seems to have been content using it's airrights to code share on certain routes. With EK, SA, Gulf, Qatar, Etihad, it will surely be a huge fight on price routes to Europe. In this case thin routes are probably their best routes going west. I don't thin they will have enough capapcity in Cebu so it will have to be a Manila - Rome or Manila Frankfurt with a 330 type or eve the 787/370 if they can afford it (I find this scenario quite unlikely as they'v been very shrewd with their aircraft choice. DC9 and leased 757's. This seems to point out that their gun shy with high capital costs which lead me to believe that they would prefer the cheaper plane over a premium plane with a lower CASM. Am not sure if a 767 can but a 332 can probably do it for them without ETOPS considerations on a cheaper 2 engine affair.

richard fischer

June 27th, 2006, 10:30 PM

found this on business world :

PAL, Cebu Pacific agree on Hong Kong route

Philippine Airlines, Inc. (PAL) and Cebu Pacific Air, Inc. have reached an agreement on Thursday, allowing the flag carrier to off-load about 8% of its Manila-Hong Kong seat allocation to its closest industry rival.

This deal involving the two Taipan-controlled airlines -- Lucio Tan for PAL and the Gokongwei family for Cebu Pacific -- was described by BusinessWorld sources privy to the deal as an "amicable settlement between the two local industry giants."

The Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB) approved the immediate implementation of the agreement also on Thursday.

Under the deal, PAL will give some 716 seats to Cebu Pacific from its total 9,000-seat monthly allocation. Currently, Cebu Pacific has only 3,000-seat allocation enough for a 17-times-per-week flight frequency.

For the Manila-Hong Kong route, PAL operates three flights daily or a total of 21 flights weekly.

A government source said PAL, which was hesitant at first to cooperate with Cebu Pacific, finally agreed to enter into an agreement with the latter to "protect local carriers against international players" that are also flying the Manila-Hong Kong route.

The Manila-Hong Kong route is one of the most lucrative to date for airline companies with operation from the Philippines because of the large volume of overseas Filipino workers (OFWs) residing in Hong Kong.

"It was a surprising move from PAL," the source said, adding that there was no corresponding payment involved.

Cebu Pacific company officials confirmed the settlement, saying that they are just waiting for the "official communication from CAB to start increasing the company’s flight frequency."

PAL also confirmed the agreement but refused to divulge further details.

By third quarter, Cebu Pacific is expected to increase flight frequency in its Manila-Hong Kong route to 21 times a week, three times daily.

Last year, Cebu Pacific opened its first regional office in Kowloon, Hong Kong to facilitate ticket sales and reservations. For this route, the company is offering a markdown airfare under its "Go" campaign, with fares starting at P1,999.

The Gokongwei-owned airline launched its maiden international flight to Hong Kong in November 2001.

WawaY[625]

June 28th, 2006, 12:17 AM

It's a 17-seater pala used for corporate charter flights.

pero for Davao-Manila flight, id still choose PAL or CebPac over asian spirit..BTW, seeing that the asian spirit plane is small, is it able to use the aerobridge?
alam ko kasi, DC-9s do not use DIAs aerobridges eh

[dx]

June 28th, 2006, 10:26 AM

http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j156/picfreak_2006/LegazpiAirport.jpg
Legazpi Airport
Runway: 2280 x 36 meters
Served by: PAL, Air Philippines

oz.fil

June 28th, 2006, 02:32 PM

what does an open skies policy mean? just wondering...

MetropolitanBoy

June 28th, 2006, 05:10 PM

When a government allows other airlines from other countries to somewhat take a percentage of the passenger demand from the "national carrier" (applies much more to a monopolized route). Well at least that's how I interpret it here from the Philippine stand point. I may be wrong. Hehehehehe. That's just my opinion.

bustero

June 29th, 2006, 04:19 AM

It basically means that anyone can fly to your airport.

here's the long version of the definition.

Open skies
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The term open skies refers to either to a bilateral or multilateral Air Transport Agreement which:

* liberalizes the rules for international aviation markets and minimizes government intervention — the provisions apply to passenger, all-cargo and combination air transportation and encompass both scheduled and charter services; or
* adjusts the regime under which military and other state-based flights may be permitted.

First step towards a civil transport regime

The Convention on International Civil Aviation (1944), signed at Chicago, was intended to prepare a framework within which civil air transport could develop (not military or other state activities whether in a piloted or drone craft). It introduced nine freedoms of the air for those states that have adopted the Convention and enter into bilateral treaties that may grant any of the following rights or privileges for scheduled international air services:

1. To fly across the territory of either states without landing.
2. To land in either state for non-traffic purposes, e.g. refueling without boarding or deplaning passengers.
3. To land in the territory of the first state and deplane passengers coming from the home state of the airline.
4. To land in the territory of the first state and board passengers travelling to the home state of the airline.
5. To land in the territory of the first state and board passengers travelling on to a third state where the passengers deplane, e.g. a scheduled flight from the U.S. to France could pick up traffic in England and take all to France (sometimes termed beyond rights).
6. To transport passengers moving between two other states via the home state of the airline, e.g. a scheduled flight on an American airline from England lands in the U.S. and then goes on to Canada on the same aircraft.
7. To transport passengers between the territory of the granting State and any third State state without going through the home state of the airline, e.g. a scheduled flight on an American airline from England to Canada that does not connect to or extend any service to/from the U.S..
8. To transport cabotage traffic between two points in the territory of the granting State on a service which originates or terminates in the home state of the foreign carrier or (in connection with the so-called Seventh Freedom) outside the territory of the granting State (also known as consecutive cabotage), e.g. an American airline flies from the U.S., lands passengers in London and then boards passengers to fly to Manchester.
9. To transport cabotage traffic of the granting State on a service performed entirely within the territory of the granting State (also known as stand alone cabotage), e.g. an English airline operates a service between Perth and Sydney in Australia).

Because only the first five "freedoms" have been officially recognised by international treaties, the ICAO considers the remaining "freedoms" "so-called".

Key open skies provisions

Most of the existing civil agreements include:

1. Free Market Competition:

No restrictions on international route rights; number of designated airlines; capacity; frequencies; and types of aircraft.

2. Pricing Determined by Market Forces:

A fare can be disallowed only if both governments concur -- "double-disapproval pricing" -- and only for certain, specified reasons intended to ensure competition.

3. Fair and Equal Opportunity to Compete:

For example:
* All carriers — designated and non-designated — of both countries may establish sales offices in the other country, and convert earnings and remit them in hard currency promptly and without restrictions. Designated carriers are free to provide their own ground-handling services — "self handling" — or choose among competing providers. Airlines and cargo consolidators may arrange ground transport of air cargo and are guaranteed access to customs services.
* User charges are non-discriminatory and based on costs; computer reservation system displays are transparent and non-discriminatory.

4. Cooperative Marketing Arrangements

Designated airlines may enter into code-sharing or leasing arrangements with airlines of either country, or with those of third countries, subject to usual regulations. An optional provision authorizes code-sharing between airlines and surface transportation companies.

5. Provisions for Dispute Settlement and Consultation

Model text includes procedures for resolving differences that arise under the agreement.

6. Liberal Charter Arrangements

Carriers may choose to operate under the charter regulations of either country.

7. Safety and Security

Each government agrees to observe high standards of aviation safety and security, and to render assistance to the other in certain circumstances.

8. Optional 7th Freedom All-Cargo Rights

Provide authority for an airline of one country to operate all-cargo services between the other country and a third country, via flights that are not linked to its homeland.

MarkiiBoi

June 29th, 2006, 07:22 PM

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CebuPac revives plan to fly in Japan, sets Singapore flights, more HK frequency

CEBU Pacific Air (CEB), an airline unit of Gokongwei-led JG Summit Holdings Inc. (JGSHI), has revived its plan to fly in Japan in its continuing bid to increase international flights.

Lance Y. Gokongwei, JGSHI president and chief operating officer, told reporters that the company has a deadline of September 30, 2006, to fly in Japan. “We’re developing a business plan [for Japan flights] . . . it’s something that we are studying,” he said.

In 2004 Cebu Pacific granted seven flights entitlements to Japan under the Philippine-Japan air-service agreement.

Japan is the Philippines’ second-largest source of foreign arrivals, next only to the United States. It is estimated that 300,000 Japanese visitors come to the country yearly and some 170,000 overseas Filipino workers fly annually between the two countries.

Gokongwei also disclosed that the company expects to fly daily to Singapore by August. We’re just waiting for the approval and we do not expect major issues,” he added.

He said the company plans to offer 9,000 seats a month and about 100,000 seats a year for Singapore flights. “We hope to fly on a 75 percent to 80 percent [load factor] on an annual basis,” he said.

For Hong Kong flights, Gokongwei said it expects to increase its frequency to 21 times a week from 17. The company also flies to Seoul, South Korea.

Gokongwei said their expansion overseas and the low fares they are offering are the result of their ongoing refleeting program where they are replacing their old DC-9 planes with more efficient and brand new Airbus planes.

He said they already have 8 new Airbus planes with two more arriving in July. Two more will be delivered in October and another two in January next year.

"By February, we will have 14 new planes and will have totally replaced our fleet of DC-9s," Gokongwei said.

On CEB’s planned public offering, Gokongwei’s ultimate objective is to wait for the right time.

Congress gave Cebu Pacific the franchise to operate, maintain and carry passengers and goods via air, from Cebu City. Under Section 9 of Republic Act 7151, the franchise or the provision on public equity participation, requires Cebu Pacific to make a public offering of at least 30 percent of its common stock within 10 years from the effectivity of the franchise.

In the first three months of the year, CEB posted a net loss of P92.9 million from P54.1 million in the same period in 2005.

Its revenues during the period amounted to P1.96 billion, a 6-percent increase from P1.85 billion for the same period.

richard fischer

June 30th, 2006, 07:11 AM

LAOAG CITY — Local government units, the private sector, tourism officials and regional line agencies met recently at the Pallazo de Laoag, this city and agreed that for tourism to develop in Northern Luzon, the proposed expansion of Laoag International Airport (LIA) should be pursued without letup.

Undersecretary Hermenegildo C. Dumlao, executive director of the North Luzon Growth Quadrangle, (North Quad) an attached agency under the Office of the President, said with the expected heavy traffic of foreign tourists in the region, the expansion of LIA is urgently needed. "The LIA should be ready to accommodate huge aircraft and the big influx of tourist arrivals,’’ he added.

He said the development of LIA would increase the number of international flights which would increase foreign tourist arrivals in the region. The airport’s expansion would also boost the promotion and marketing of tourism investments in the region, Dumlao said.

He added that the meeting also paved the way for the creation of more jobs, investments which will ultimately uplift the lives of people in North Luzon. The meeting was initiated by North Quad, an agency tasked to promote development and livelihood program in the North.

Oscar P. Palabyab, Undersecretary for Tourism Services and Regional Offices of Department of Tourism, graced the affair as guest-of-honor and speaker. He discussed the topic entitled "Tourism Prospects in the Philippines." Also present during the meeting were Dr. Enrie A. Mendoza, Presidential Assistant for North Luzon, and others.

"My primary objective is to pursue new tourism strategies whose principal thrust is to return to the basics of tourism development," Undersecretary Dumlao said. "This means developing basic infrastructure such as the Laoag International Airport which will provide quick access to North Luzon tourist destinations."

North Luzon is home to some of the most beautiful tourist destinations in the country. It is rich in natural, cultural, man-made and historical attractions such as beautiful pristine beaches and century-old churches. It also has relatively developed infrastructure support facilities such as good road networks, telecommunication facilities and power supply.

Dumlao said North Luzon has an advantage for its tourism development due to the existence of the Laoag International Airport (LIA). Foreign tourists continuously arrive from neighboring East Asian countries in Ilocos Norte via LIA. The recent proclamation by the Philippine Chamber of Commerce and Industry (PCCI) of LIA as one of the five main gateways for tourists to the Philippines has brought about more tourist interests in North Luzon, said Dumlao.

richard fischer

June 30th, 2006, 07:15 AM

CebuPac revives plan to fly in Japan

CEBU Pacific Air (CEB), an airline unit of Gokongwei-led JG Summit Holdings Inc. (JGSHI), has revived its plan to fly in Japan in its continuing bid to increase international flights.

Lance Y. Gokongwei, JGSHI president and chief operating officer, told reporters that the company has a deadline of September 30, 2006, to fly in Japan. “We’re developing a business plan [for Japan flights] . . . it’s something that we are studying,” he said.

In 2004 Cebu Pacific granted seven flights entitlements to Japan under the Philippine-Japan air-service agreement.

Japan is the Philippines’ second-largest source of foreign arrivals, next only to the United States. It is estimated that 300,000 Japanese visitors come to the country yearly and some 170,000 overseas Filipino workers fly annually between the two countries.

oz.fil

June 30th, 2006, 06:37 PM

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Gokongwei also disclosed that the company expects to fly daily to Singapore by August. We’re just waiting for the approval and we do not expect major issues,” he added.

He said the company plans to offer 9,000 seats a month and about 100,000 seats a year for Singapore flights. “We hope to fly on a 75 percent to 80 percent [load factor] on an annual basis,” he said.

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didnt cebu pacific axe their singapore route a year ago?

richard fischer

July 2nd, 2006, 05:06 AM

didnt cebu pacific axe their singapore route a year ago?

that was due to high fuel expences utilizing old 757´s and high terminal fees. they could not offer low fares so their flights were almost empty.

now they will fly new A320´s, fuel effective modern aircraft and they will pay less docking fees at the LLC terminal. CEB can then offer competetive fares. load factors should shoulder the break even point by then. we will have to see how much PAL´s load factors will be affected.......

richard fischer

July 2nd, 2006, 05:14 AM

you might want to mention that PAL is Asia's oldest airline, not the first :)

which was asia´s first airline then solblanc ?

docz

July 2nd, 2006, 08:52 AM

JustHorace

July 2nd, 2006, 09:15 AM

^^Hindi sila strict sa ganyan sa SQ. Pero they still remind passengers..

Does PAL already fly to Kathmandu?

Solblanc

July 2nd, 2006, 09:32 AM

which was asia´s first airline then solblanc ?

I actually don't know... PAL had predecessors, like the Philippine air taxi corporation(PATCO) and the Iloilo-negros air something something (INAEC), not to mention that Air India's predecessor was set up way back, and also, KLM had an asia service based in Indonesia. PAL is just the only one that survived and still recognizes its predecessor as part of it.

xDieselJockx

July 2nd, 2006, 09:38 AM

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3/abercromb24/palA330conceptlivery02-01.jpg

much better but still not the best. i hate the layout of the sun, not too round, and the rays doesnt look good.

I like it better when you put the word "MABUHAY" as the grey background before as opposed to another Philippines, but I like the paint work on this one for sure. So, instead writing another "Philippines" word in that background, make it like > Philippines" - bold black letters. "Mabuhay" Grey background letters and then the same " Asia's first airlines". Or instead, the "grey" Philippines sign remain as it is, then put that "mabuhay" in black bold letter and smaller instead. Complete it with " Asia's first airlines"

What do you think??

richard fischer

July 2nd, 2006, 10:53 AM

I actually don't know... PAL had predecessors, like the Philippine air taxi corporation(PATCO) and the Iloilo-negros air something something (INAEC), not to mention that Air India's predecessor was set up way back, and also, KLM had an asia service based in Indonesia. PAL is just the only one that survived and still recognizes its predecessor as part of it.

i see. thank you solblanc

huistenmark

July 2nd, 2006, 11:29 AM

Does anyone know why pilots instruct the crew to keep the airplanes windows open on takeoff and landing. On a recent flight to Palawan, I asked the cabin crew this questions, and they did not know (or did not want to tell me) the answer

I think it's a precautionary measure in case of emergency during landing. This will allow passengers and more importantly, the cabin crew, to see outside and assess evacuation procedure. (not sure though)

And NO, PAL doesn't fly to Kathmandu.

WawaY[625]

July 2nd, 2006, 01:50 PM

didnt cebu pacific axe their singapore route a year ago?

my friend who works for cebu pacific also told me of this problem in booking of tickets for the singapore flights where travel agencies would recommend PAL and even to the point where they would say the Cebu pacific flight is fully booked even when its not just so the passenger would take the PAL flight.
I'm not sure if its true though

JustHorace

July 3rd, 2006, 11:00 AM

And NO, PAL doesn't fly to Kathmandu.

The how come PAL is advertising Kathmandu one-way rates as part of its Swingaround program?

Swingaround
The Swingaround Tour Packages offer unforgettable holiday sprees in some of the most exciting destinations in the Philippine Airlines route network. Among them are Bali, Bangkok, Beijing, Guam, Ho Chi Minh City, Hong Kong, Honolulu, Jakarta, Kathmandu, Las Vegas, Los Angeles, Okinawa, San Francisco, Seoul, Shanghai, Singapore, Taipei, Vancouver and Xiamen, together with selected points in the Philippines.

So is it just a codeshare destination?

huistenmark

July 3rd, 2006, 12:14 PM

PAL doesn't fly to Bali either. Maybe its through their partner airlines (MH to Kathmandu and Garuda to Bali.. just a guess though).

JustHorace

July 3rd, 2006, 12:31 PM

Yeah, I noticed that too. They did have plans to fly to Kathmandu, right?

Blackraven

July 3rd, 2006, 12:36 PM

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/ianers_ianized/PAL.jpg

Woohoo!

Thank God the 787 Dreamliner made it into the Wide-Body feasibility list.

Maybe one unit of an A380 might be good as well (but we need a runway widening and upgrade)

However.......

A350.....ALIS DIYAN!!!

I do hope PAL will never consider the A350 and choose 787 for-the-win.

JustHorace

July 3rd, 2006, 02:48 PM

WawaY[625]

July 3rd, 2006, 05:10 PM

isnt the dreamliner the 7e7? nakita ko sa TV noon or is now formally named the 787?

ishtefh_03

July 3rd, 2006, 05:16 PM

pang asar ang cebu pacific, we were delayed for 5hrs kanina for manila... nung una 1 hour delayed lng tapos pinasakay na kame tapos nung paalis na, biglang nagka technical difficulties daw, edi pinababa kame tapos ayun another 2 hrs to wait daw buti na lng libre nila ung meal... :D

Sou-jiro

July 3rd, 2006, 05:36 PM

isnt the dreamliner the 7e7? nakita ko sa TV noon or is now formally named the 787?

YES 787 :)

Blackraven

July 3rd, 2006, 05:36 PM

isnt the dreamliner the 7e7? nakita ko sa TV noon or is now formally named the 787?

Yes, that's correct.

The 7E7 was the code name of the project before August 2005, wherein Boeing made the announcement to call it the 787 Dreamliner.

It comes in three configs: 787-3, 787-8 and 787-9. The 787-10 is still being considered but Boeing is more likely to release it soon after 2012.

This is the plane that will beat and crush the Airbus A350 to pieces (and will force them to continue on the A370 project and spend another 10 billion Euros or 600 billion pesos in development)

xDieselJockx

July 3rd, 2006, 05:57 PM

Need help here. I purchased MNL-CEB tickets via Cebu Pacific's e-ticketing service. And now, I want to change the destination to Tagbilaran. What can I do to change the destination? Hindi sumasagot ang call center nila. Is there any other way other than going to their office personally? Thanks.

From my experiences there in the Philippines. You rather visit their ticketing office rather than do it over the phone. You probably would get a better result.

WawaY[625]

July 3rd, 2006, 06:13 PM

ishtefh_03

July 4th, 2006, 04:24 PM

wahehe... pero in fairness gwapo at magaganda ung mga stewardess ng nasakyan kong plane... :D

Solblanc

July 5th, 2006, 04:35 AM

wahehe... pero in fairness gwapo at magaganda ung mga stewardess ng nasakyan kong plane... :D

Well that would make up for any delay :D

ishtefh_03

July 5th, 2006, 04:41 AM

^^haha... pero ung pilot hindi eh... :D

sobrang badtrip talaga kame ng kuya ko, sanang ng PAL na lng kame kase mula nung departure time namin tapos delayed nakakailang flight na to manila ang PAL...

xXx carlos xXx

July 6th, 2006, 05:01 AM

747-800 interior video i found at jetphotos.com

http://747.newairplane.com/funstuff/Video/747-8/747-8_interior_movie.wmv

Skyblade

July 6th, 2006, 10:02 AM

^^ In regards to the video and the proposed "sky suites", unfortunately no airline interested in the 748 so far would take up this option. One thing that's most likely going to be utilized on the "crown" of the 747 would be as galley space as it would maximize the number of seats in the main cabin. Any other option would just take up additonal weight/decrease range due to the weight/etc. though it seriously would be awesome to have a dedicated in-flight lounge for premium passengers. Still crossing my fingers for that and the sky suites though...

Sou-jiro

July 6th, 2006, 12:33 PM

wahehe... pero in fairness gwapo at magaganda ung mga stewardess ng nasakyan kong plane... :D

ei Steph...musta na.....did u get to take pics of cebupac?...i havent seen they're A320's interior :)

anyone here has interior pics of 5js A320'?

btw...do they still use the 757?...are they gone?

bustero

July 6th, 2006, 01:08 PM

^^pretty standard, airliners.net will have tons, i've flown it several times and can't remember it!

ianers_ianized

July 6th, 2006, 02:00 PM

I've been recently in Seoul, Korea last June. and during my flight w/ PAL I've evaluate their service as well as Incheon Airport. Here's my report...

*A330 and A340 are almost the same and the same as spacious as their A320. I like their AIRSHOW - a screen info update on the exact location of the aircraft, the expected time of arrival, outside temperature, flying time, etc... and their on-screen demo in wide screen of the safety precautions... which I think most of the other airlines have already this feature in their flight. It is more convenient to watch than manual demos of safety features of the aircraft by FAs.
I'm just wondering if this on-screen demos were also shown in the PAL's A340 bcoz the last time I've been their A340... it was a manual demo, anyone who flown A340 recently.
I think it would be good to have this on screen demos too in their A320s since they have tv screens too.

*High praises to FA crews... very professional and know when to apologize esp. their Korean Interpreter. And also the pilots... high praises for their smooth landing and departure - this is what I like in PAL's pilots... their flying planes seems efforless but very smooth.
I heard that there are "complains" reagarding PAL's FAs that they are already "matatanda na" esp. in their international routes, "ang papapangit"... honestly I'm also one of those who complains this bec. I think the younger ones shd be given a chance and good frontliners like other airpline but I think the reason why PAL is keeping them is because they are really professional and has the know-how.

*Incheon airport still prove that its one of the best airport around the world with all its amenities. I like centerpiece design building I think this is their airport office. The striking shell shape designed building covered with many glass. But the major drawback of Incheon is... it is far from Seoul. I think it is far than between Narita to Tokyo. So you really have to a give 1 hour alloted time to Incheon. I also notice that you get a rountrip visit to Incheon before you arrive at the airport like a sightseeing trip first before reaching the airport... you can see the mountains, the islands...
BTW, Incheon is a beautiful night view from above with its shinning glass design building... I saw it from the window as we were assigned in the last row of A330, so were the last one to kiss the sky.

Sou-jiro

July 6th, 2006, 03:29 PM

^^^ a nice read.....illl try & do a report next month as well on PAL's A333 maybe CX's 777

just wanna share these...still incomplete...some part still falling out of place but i will improve it in the next week or so :) its my imaginary Island Airport of Philippines.I have put the logo's off all carriers as well as cargo co. currently flying to Manila & those more likely to fly back again soon

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y195/justsomeguy02/SoMeGuYInternational.jpg

ishtefh_03

July 6th, 2006, 05:33 PM

ei Steph...musta na.....did u get to take pics of cebupac?...i havent seen they're A320's interior :)

anyone here has interior pics of 5js A320'?

btw...do they still use the 757?...are they gone?

ok naman... long time no hear nga eh... musta banda nio??

i have pics of cebu pacific, di ko pa na uupload pero walang interior, ok naman ung interior nung sinakyan ko...

ung nasakyan ko is 5j 577 & 5j 568 ung nasira...

Skyblade

July 6th, 2006, 08:01 PM

tigidig14

July 7th, 2006, 03:02 AM

some guy, project mo ba yan?

ianers_ianized

July 7th, 2006, 07:58 AM

The glass designs were one of Incheons best feauture in airport architecture. These pictures where we also been assigned at Gate 48 going back to Manila. And yeah, Incheon is one the best airport for plane sigthseeing from inside the building bec. of its glass architecture and design.

Excellent report! The last time I flew a PR A340 (LAS-YVR), they did have the safety demo broadcasted on the IFE with the classic, interestingly dubbed cabin crew. :lol:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/Skyblade04/MNLNRT107.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/Skyblade04/MNLNRT109.jpg

tigidig14

July 7th, 2006, 09:17 AM

pangit stay over ng incheon pabalik dito sa side samin, 8 hours delay

ishtefh_03

July 7th, 2006, 01:10 PM

woah!!! 8 hours delay... :D

Dinho

July 7th, 2006, 03:55 PM

LONDON (AFP) - European aircraft maker Airbus, which faces delays to production of the A380 super-jumbo, may be forced also to delay the launch of its long-haul A350 jet, London's Times newspaper has said.

The new setback was because Christian Streiff, set to be confirmed as the new Airbus chief executive, needed time to approve the venture, the newspaper said citing sources close to EADS on Friday, which owns 80 percent of Airbus.

The group has been busy redesigning its A350 model, a new mid-sized airliner that has been poorly received by potential clients.

According to The Times, sources close to the European Aeronautics Defence and Space Company have warned that Streiff may not make a decision by the company's deadline of the Farnborough Air Show in England which runs from July 17-23.

Streiff, the former deputy chief executive of French construction materials giant Saint-Gobain, was nominated as Airbus boss last week after his predecessor Gustav Humbert was ousted because of delays to the flagship A380.

However, the daily newspaper said that his appointment was not expected to be confirmed until next week -- around the same time that Airbus was understood to have scheduled meetings formally to approve the A350 plane.

"There is a possibility of him (Streiff) saying the A350 project is too much for him to give an OK when he is just days into the job," the Times quoted an anonymous source as saying.

The A350 jet carries at least 250 passengers and will compete with Boeing's new 787 aircraft which has been dubbed the Dreamliner.

The 787, which has a capacity of 250-300 passengers, has attracted 350 orders since its commercial launch in 2004 compared with about 100 for the A350, which was launched by Airbus as a competitor to the Boeing plane.

In a severe blow for the company, Airbus reported on June 13 that it had experienced problems with the production of its A380 model, its flagship product which is set to become the biggest civilian airliner in the world when it finally enters service.

The problems, which arose from problems in installing wires and cables, led to the departure of Humbert and are set to cut the number of deliveries of the A380 in 2007 to nine instead of 20-25.

Airbus, caught in a storm of bad publicity, has been trounced by US rival Boeing since the start of the year according to figures showing orders received by the two companies.

The figures, calculated by AFP, show that at the end of June Airbus had received only 142 orders since the start of the year compared with 445 for Boeing.

ianers_ianized

July 8th, 2006, 05:35 AM

*does anyone know why ANA doesn't fly to Manila? I mean JAL is solely enjoying the routes from and to Japan from Philippines in competition with PR w/c has the most no. of routes to and from Japan - 5 points - Tokyo/Narita, Osaka, Fukouka, Okinawa and Nagoya.

*i wonder also why JAL doesn't fly to Cebu when there is a potential market there. PR is enjoying the routes to Osaka and Tokyo/Narita.

*2P or Air Philippines is enjoying the airbridge gates of Centennial Terminal 2 contrary that they were just parked and not connected to the terminal.

*wish that all european airlines (BA, LX, AZ, AF) flies soon again in philippines just in time for the opening of terninal 3. It would boost more tourist in the phillippines but competition with middle east airlines is really hard. Now Manila is crowded with all daily flights of these middle east airlines - SV, EK, KU, GF, QR and EY.

*Hope fully PR soon lauched flights to these potential market destinations - Toronto, New York, Saipan, Dallas, Auckland, Brisbane, Milan, Rome, Amsterdam, London, Paris, and Frankfurt.

*And PR plans to fly to South America - Santiago, Chile is a good market there is a no. of Filipino comunity in Chile. I this has the most no. of Filipinos in South America.

bustero

July 8th, 2006, 05:47 AM

woah!!! 8 hours delay... :D

haha I've experience a delay on Pal , from manila to davao from 11am flight and eventually it left 1am, do the math, am only laughing now.

ianers if I'm not mistaken the Jal takes the international routes while Ana takes the local routes traditioanlly so they probalby don't have any of the rights and Jal surely isn't going to give it to them.

ishtefh_03

July 8th, 2006, 06:12 AM

^^hehe... mas grabe pa pala sa na experience ko sa cebu pacific.. :D

ewh1

July 8th, 2006, 07:42 AM

ewh1

July 8th, 2006, 10:37 AM

Guys. Im Flying Eva Airways to Manila.. does anyone have any good experiences with Eva?? they seem different.. especially their Evergreen colored aircraft lol

http://www.swapmeetdave.com/Humor/Insurance/EvaAir.jpg

oz.fil

July 8th, 2006, 10:49 AM

Guys. Im Flying Eva Airways to Manila.. does anyone have any good experiences with Eva?? they seem different.. especially their Evergreen colored aircraft lol
i didnt know eva flied to manila... i checked their website and they didnt mention manila in any of their destinations...

ewh1

July 8th, 2006, 10:55 AM

scroll through the destinations bar. there is Manila in there. but yeah

according to my Schedule its a EVA Air B747-400 that will land in Manila. usually from what ive seen on Airliners.net on the photos of Manila its A332/B767

huistenmark

July 8th, 2006, 12:10 PM

ANA is a International airline. they fly everywere and are a member of Star Alliance.

I think you were thinking about JAS. Anyways they were swallowed up by JAL not too long ago. They fly mostly Domestic

JAS used to fly International routes as well, albeit more limited than ANA and JAL. JAL's International Network is almost twice the size of ANA. Saying that they fly everywhere is a bit of an overstatement. ANA's Int'l covers LHR,CDG,FRA,IAD,NYC,SFO,LAX,GUM,BKK,SIN,SGN,TPE and cities in Korea and China. The rest are code share flights, eg KUL and DOH. ANA's expansion plans are mainly focused on China and North America. I work for ANA, and I've asked my boss if ANA plans to fly to the Philippines, and he said no, not soon anyways. Manila is not in their business plan. Why? Apparently, low-yeild pax and saturation. Additionally, ANA is not a very recognised brand in the Philippines, so it may be a bit difficult for them to get a following. Everytime I tell people that I work for a japanese Airline called ANA, more often than not they would ask if that's not JAL or is it different to JAL or HUH? I though JAL is the only airline in Japan etc.

I don't know what is the bilateral agreement between Phil and Jap, but I think if another carrier enters the route, they would have to renogotiate the current terms of the agreement. 5J wants to play in this turf, in addition to the current services of PR(NRT,NGO,KIX,FUK,OKA to MNL (and CEB???)), NW (NRT, NGO to MNL) and TG (KIX to MNL). Im not sure if there are other carriers with 5th freedom rights out of MNL to NRT that are currently operating. I know PK used to operate the route.

ewh1

July 8th, 2006, 12:22 PM

ahh thanks for the better analysis. Im was really tired and was in a hurry to go to bed. ha

but wow. i didn't know that ANA only covers those routes.. i would have thought they served a few more destinations than that. Very interesting. I think ANA's hotel arm has a bit of presence. I heard something about Century Park Hotel being a ANA Hotel? or am i just hearing things.

Btw. i was in Club ANA at Narita Terminal 2 in 2003. pretty nice lounge you got there. :D

huistenmark

July 8th, 2006, 02:06 PM

Cheers! try checking the new lounge at new star alliance terminal in Narita T1, you'd be amazed.. I haven't been yet, as im based in london, but based from the photos i saw, it looked great!

ANA is a bit conservative when it comes to International operations. There is a very strong Rumour about ORD and BRU, but my boss won't confim anything no matter how hard i try... ah well, here's hoping for new routes....

Century Park Hotel i thing used to be an ANA hotel, but not anymore.. Im not sure about this. I'll check our llist of ANA hotel and let you know.

tigidig14

July 9th, 2006, 12:03 AM

Skyblade

July 9th, 2006, 03:19 AM

Indeed ANA is pretty conservative when it comes to international expansion. This year marks their 20th anniversary of their first scheduled international flight (NRT-GUM w/ a L1011). Also, there's Star Alliance partner OZ in which they could route some passengers to. BTW huistenmark, maybe for brand recognition, just mention that ANA is the airline that flies those Pokemon 744s. :lol: Works for me esp. with the anime fan crowd. :D

Guys. Im Flying Eva Airways to Manila.. does anyone have any good experiences with Eva?? they seem different.. especially their Evergreen colored aircraft lol

My last trans-Pacific flight from Japan was with EVA. CTS(Sapporo)-TPE onboard Premium Laurel Class of an A332 and TPE-LAX on Economy w/ a 744. The service was pretty good on both sectors along with the food. One thing I really like about them is that upbeat tune they use in their safety demos. :D I suggest to upgrade to Evergreen Deluxe, BR's (older) premium economy product. I seriously wanted to from TPE to LAX and the fare was cheap (around 160USD) but unfortunately I spent most of my pocket money (20000 Yen) on paying for my overweight baggage back in Sapporo. :(

Here's some shots of my experience. I have more but I'll be saving those for my trip report:

The A332 that would take me to TPE
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/Skyblade04/EVA046.jpg

The Premium Laurel Class cabin of the A332:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/Skyblade04/EVA047.jpg

Gotta love AVOD...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/Skyblade04/EVA065.jpg

One of the aforementioned ANA Pokemon 744Ds...that bugger was always sitting in Chitose in all but one of my flights in and out of that airport...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/Skyblade04/EVA057.jpg

Terminal 2 of Chiang-Kai Shek Int'l Airport:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/Skyblade04/EVA095.jpg

One of my few shots onboard BR0016
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/Skyblade04/EVA097.jpg
Dinner on the TPE-LAX sector:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/Skyblade04/EVA100.jpg

Sou-jiro

July 9th, 2006, 03:30 PM

I HATE POSTING BAD AVIATION NEWS BUT... OUTOF RESPECT

Did you guys hear a about a Russian Airliner A310 Crashing..what a sad day....prayer for those who were involved....i though it was Aeroflot..but it was Siberia Airlines :(

here's the actual Plane

http://p.airliners.net/photos/photos/7/6/5/1043567.jpg

This aircraft was initially delivered to PanAm in June 1987 as N812PA
It was transfered to DELTA in November 1991, keeping the same registartion
It was returned to Airbus Industries in May 1995, and then leased to Aeroflot in August 1996 as F-OGYP.
After being retired from service in October 2003 by Aeroflot, it was stored at HAM, and later joined Sibir's fleet just 2 years ago, in July 2004.

what i cant believe is the ridiculous cover up of "SOME" report coming from russia saying no one wal killed....

MOSCOW - A Russian passenger plane skidded off a rain-slicked Siberian runway early Sunday and plowed through a concrete barrier, bursting into flames. At least 118 people were killed and about 14 still unaccounted for, officials said.

The S7 Airbus A-310 was carrying 200 people — a crew of eight and 192 passengers — on a flight from Moscow to Irkutsk. Many were children headed to nearby Lake Baikal on vacation, according to Russian news reports.

Rescue workers recovered at least 118 bodies, said a duty officer in the regional branch of Russia's Emergency Situations Ministry. He said that 68 people were known to have survived the crash, including a pilot; 53 were hospitalized with burns and smoke poisoning.

Some owed their lives to a flight attendant who had the presence of mind to open an escape hatch, the ministry said.

The plane veered off the runway on landing and tore through a six-foot-high concrete barrier. It then crashed into a compound of one-story garages, stopping a short distance from some small houses.

A witness said he heard a bang and the ground trembled.

"I saw smoke coming from the aircraft. People were already walking out who were charred, injured, burnt," Mikhail Yegeryov told NTV television.

"I asked a person who was in the Airbus what happened, and he said the plane had landed on the tarmac but didn't brake. The cabin then burst into flames," Yegeryov said.

The aircraft's two black boxes had been recovered and were being deciphered.

Transport Minister Igor Levitin suggested the rainy weather was a factor but did not rule out a technical problem.

"The landing strip was wet. So we'll have to check the clutch and the technical condition of the aircraft," he told Russian state television.

Levitin added that the pilot had radioed ground control to say the aircraft had landed safely before communication was cut off.

Airline official Alexander Zyubr said the plane was in good condition, according to RIA-Novosti.

Irina Andrianova, a spokeswoman for the Emergency Situations Ministry, said it took firefighters more than two hours to put out the blaze. There were two explosions caused by the ton of fuel in the plane, Moscow radio reported.

Russian television showed smoke rising from the wreckage and firefighters clambering on top.

"It was traveling at a terrific speed," the spokeswoman said. She said the front end of the plane was crumpled in the crash 2,600 miles east of Moscow.

Details began to emerge of the chaotic aftermath of the crash. One flight attendant opened the rear escape hatch and let a number of passengers out, the ministry's regional branch said.

Ten passengers managed to escape this way and other survivors, including a pilot, were saved by firefighters and rescuers, ITAR-Tass reported.

Russian President Vladimir Putin conveyed his condolences to the victims' relatives, who gathered at Moscow's Domodedovo airport, where the plane took off.

A man who said his brother, sister-in-law and their 4-year-old son were on the plane sat on a curb outside a crisis center near the airport fighting back tears.

"They're not on the list" of people in hospital, said the man, who gave his name only as Vyascheslav.

His friend Larissa Kolcheva, a 27-year-old Muscovite, said the three had flown to Moscow from the Moldovan capital Chisinau on Saturday morning and had been on their way to visit relatives in Irkutsk.

"We met them yesterday morning at this very airport. It was great. We spent the day with them seeing Moscow ... Everything was beautiful," she said starting to cry.

In May, another Airbus aircraft crashed in stormy weather off Russia's Black Sea coast, killing all 113 people on board. Airline officials blamed the crash of the Armenian passenger plane on driving rain and low visibility.

In March 1994, a half-empty Airbus A-310 belonging to Russian state airline Aeroflot crashed near the Siberian city of Novokuznetsk, killing 70 people. Investigators said the crash was caused mainly by the pilot's teenage son inadvertently disconnecting the autopilot.

Sunday's disaster was the fourth air crash in Irkutsk in the past 12 years.

In January 1994, a TU-154 aircraft crashed on takeoff from Irkutsk, killing 124 people. In December 1997, an An-124 military transport aircraft crashed in a residential area of the city, killing 72 people. And in July 2001, a Tu-154 Russian passenger plane crashed near Irkutsk, killing all 143 people on board.

S7, formerly known as Sibir, is Russia's second-largest airline, carved out of Aeroflot's Siberian wing after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Cash-strapped and saddled with aging aircraft, regional airlines whittled out of Aeroflot were once notorious for their disregard for safety but their records have improved in recent years.

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what a sad day for aviation....but sadly common among Russian carriers