^^ Just heard in Airliners.net. My condolences go out to the families of those lost... :( At least there were some survivors in this one but this is also a blow to Sibir. :(

i read in inquirer that cebu pacific would be launching manila-shanghai flights in october..

tks for tha ANA clarification.

too bad for those passengers in russia, malas.

5J in shanghai, why not from Cebu?

MULTAN, Pakistan - A passenger plane slammed into a wheat field and burst into flames minutes after takeoff Monday in eastern Pakistan. All 45 people on board were killed, officials said.

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The Fokker F-27 twin-engine aircraft went down on the outskirts of the city of Multan minutes after taking off for Lahore, spiraling in the air before it hit the ground and bursting into flames, witnesses said.

"All 41 passengers and four crew members on board the plane have died," said Iftikhar Babar, the district coordination officer for Multan, which lies about 400 miles southwest of the capital, Islamabad.

Malik Bashir, Pakistan International Airlines' station manager at Multan airport, said the cause of the crash was not yet known, but ruled out the possibility of a terrorist attack on the state carrier's plane.

A PIA emergency department official who identified himself by a single name, Bashir, said the dead passengers were all Pakistani. They included two army brigadiers, two judges of the High Court in Lahore and the head of a state-run university in Multan.

A female flight attendant who was pulled alive from the plane's wreckage died later at a hospital, airline security official Mohammed Iqbal said.

President Gen. Pervez Musharraf expressed grief over the crash and ordered an investigation to determine the cause, state-run Pakistan Television reported.

Grieving relatives waiting at the hospital wept in anguish and beat their chests.

Bashir said the flight took off normally for the flight to Lahore, the capital of eastern Punjab province. "Whatever happened to it was after takeoff," he said.

Mohammed Nadeem, who lives near the crash site, said the plane was rotating sideways in the air before it hit the ground and went up in flames.

Another witness said the plane hit the ground with a huge thud and its wreckage caught fire.

"The plane begin to come down abruptly. Then it hit the ground. Then there were flames and dust," Arshad Gujjar said.

In August 1989, another PIA Fokker, with 54 people onboard, went down in northern Pakistan on a domestic flight. The plane's wreckage was never found.

In September 1992, a PIA Airbus A300 crashed into a mountain in Nepal, killing all 167 people on board. Investigators found the plane was flying 1,500 feet lower than it reported as it approached the Katmandu airport.

So does this mean that ANA is not quite well known around? I thought they have a lot destination too like as JAL. JAL has more routes than ANA.

JAS used to fly International routes as well, albeit more limited than ANA and JAL. JAL's International Network is almost twice the size of ANA. Saying that they fly everywhere is a bit of an overstatement. ANA's Int'l covers LHR,CDG,FRA,IAD,NYC,SFO,LAX,GUM,BKK,SIN,SGN,TPE and cities in Korea and China. The rest are code share flights, eg KUL and DOH. ANA's expansion plans are mainly focused on China and North America. I work for ANA, and I've asked my boss if ANA plans to fly to the Philippines, and he said no, not soon anyways. Manila is not in their business plan. Why? Apparently, low-yeild pax and saturation. Additionally, ANA is not a very recognised brand in the Philippines, so it may be a bit difficult for them to get a following. Everytime I tell people that I work for a japanese Airline called ANA, more often than not they would ask if that's not JAL or is it different to JAL or HUH? I though JAL is the only airline in Japan etc.

I don't know what is the bilateral agreement between Phil and Jap, but I think if another carrier enters the route, they would have to renogotiate the current terms of the agreement. 5J wants to play in this turf, in addition to the current services of PR(NRT,NGO,KIX,FUK,OKA to MNL (and CEB???)), NW (NRT, NGO to MNL) and TG (KIX to MNL). Im not sure if there are other carriers with 5th freedom rights out of MNL to NRT that are currently operating. I know PK used to operate the route.

ANA is pretty well-known. They're relatively unheard of here, because they don't fly here, for one, but when I lived in England, and later in Japan, ANA was a high-profile airline. Their planes looked way better than JAL's, for one :D

ANA is pretty well-known. They're relatively unheard of here, because they don't fly here, for one, but when I lived in England, and later in Japan, ANA was a high-profile airline. Their planes looked way better than JAL's, for one :D

That's what I meant, poor brand recog in the Phils. Mind you, a lot of people here in England doesn't know about ANA as well. ANA is a respected Airline though, and has a better reputation than JAL (based on last year's survey by the Japan transport ministry).

Check out seatexpert.com. They have posted PAL's Airbus 340-300 seat map. I've been on this plane from Hong Kong and I did not realize how many rows it had!

http://www.seatexpert.com/_Philippine_A340_300_three_class.html

JAL does have way more international roots than ANA....but ANA is definitely more prestige than JAL

sino ba dito taga TOKYO?

Check out seatexpert.com. They have posted PAL's Airbus 340-300 seat map. I've been on this plane from Hong Kong and I did not realize how many rows it had!

http://www.seatexpert.com/_Philippine_A340_300_three_class.html

Seatexpert definitely has been fast in adding PR into their list esp. considering it's lifespan compared to Seatguru...I'm STILL waiting after these few years...

Speaking of JAL and ANA, there were two great J-dramas pertaining to the commercial aviation industry there. One that was broadcasted in 2003 was Good Luck!! (http://wiki.d-addicts.com/Good_Luck) which revolved around a First Officer in ANA (Takuya Kimura) aspiring to recieve his 4th stripe and falling in love with a female mechanic at the same time. Before I left Japan, Fuji TV began Attention Please (http://wiki.d-addicts.com/Attention_Please) which has a female punk rocker (Aya Ueto) training to become a flight attendant. Like Good Luck!!, there's romance with a mechanic. Both are great dramas and if there's anything that makes up for it's plot, it's all those shots of aircraft interiors and exteriors. :D (kinda funny seeing a domestic 777-200 and 747-400D used for international trans-Pac flights et al...:lol: )

Good Luck was recently premier in Philippine version but just terminated last friday... I don't know? Maybe poor ratings, but that was a wonderful j-drama. Actually I was only watching it bec. it features ANA a alot and the plot of the story is good. It was also in that I series I saw the beautiful uniforms of ANA FAs in green, pink and violet colors and all the SOP in the inflight behind the scenes among crews. It was a attention catching series bec. of its uniqueness - about the story behind the airline employees.

Well, it sounds that JAL don't want to be left behind by its rival by having Attention Please... hopefully it would also premier in Philippine TV. Bec. of Good Luck, ANA made a good publicty and recognition here.

Speaking of JAL and ANA, there were two great J-dramas pertaining to the commercial aviation industry there. One that was broadcasted in 2003 was Good Luck!! (http://wiki.d-addicts.com/Good_Luck) which revolved around a First Officer in ANA (Takuya Kimura) aspiring to recieve his 4th stripe and falling in love with a female mechanic at the same time. Before I left Japan, Fuji TV began Attention Please (http://wiki.d-addicts.com/Attention_Please) which has a female punk rocker (Aya Ueto) training to become a flight attendant. Like Good Luck!!, there's romance with a mechanic. Both are great dramas and if there's anything that makes up for it's plot, it's all those shots of aircraft interiors and exteriors. :D (kinda funny seeing a domestic 777-200 and 747-400D used for international trans-Pac flights et al...:lol: )

seatguru doesn't even have TG... or BA's 767 fleet, for that matter.

I'm surprised that there's J-drama on airplane romance, yet there aren't any Animes on the subject. They make animes about travelling boy-chefs and people obsessed with fishing, and none on civil aviation. I guess I'll have to settle for yukikaze, then :D

^^ Yukikaze is definitely something for the anime/aviation otaku hybrids. :D I'm just about to get to episode 5 of it (spent some time hunting down the DVD). The Super Sylph was just one sexy futuristic plane. ;)

But yeah, I've noticed in Japan, it seemed that ANA got an upper hand when it came to showing it's identity in Japanese entertainment. Hearing that Attention Please would feature JAL was definitely a surprising treat. More on the topic of aircraft interiors of Good Luck: if you notice, it seems that the cabins get older/more domestic as the series moves on. It started out with using one that had Club ANA's New Style sleeper seat and ended with that of what seemed like older domestic 747 seating. :lol:

I do have the subbed torrents for all ten episodes of Good Luck and up to episode 4 of Attention Please. Since it was released recently, it does take some time for those fansubbers to translate the episodes but nevertheless, I really have to give them kudos for getting that much so far. :D

BTW ianers, what network broadcasted Good Luck and what episode did they get up to before it was cut? Was it also dubbed in Tagalog as well or subtitled? Sorry for the numerous questions, it's just interesting to hear Takuya Kimura's Tagalog dub. :D

^ GMA 7 broadcast it in the Philippine premiere about 2 or 3 weeks ago. I've been watching it everyday at 6pm to 6:30pm until last week of wednesday when Shinkai fall in the mock up plane scene the next 3 days it was suddenly the scene they are going to hawaii and with Kou they kissed by the beach.
His dubbed voice was ok. GMA made n excellent dubbed on the rest of the cast. Shinkai's dubber captures his somewhat "barumbado w/ angas" nature. Hopefully they premiere also Attention Please but let Good Luck re-run again but on a newer timeslot bec the story is really interesting.

I've been in their official site but i can't read some bec. all were in japanese characters.

^ GMA 7 broadcast it in the Philippine premiere about 2 or 3 weeks ago. I've been watching it everyday at 6pm to 6:30pm until last week of wednesday when Shinkai fall in the mock up plane scene the next 3 days it was suddenly the scene they are going to hawaii and with Kou they kissed by the beach.
His dubbed voice was ok. GMA made n excellent dubbed on the rest of the cast. Shinkai's dubber captures his somewhat "barumbado w/ angas" nature. Hopefully they premiere also Attention Please but let Good Luck re-run again but on a newer timeslot bec the story is really interesting.

I've been in their official site but i can't read some bec. all were in japanese characters.

HAHAHAHA.. I saw that drama in Japan, lol... natsukashii..

BTW, ANA changed it's uniform last year. The women have blue and pink, while guys are limited to blue. There might be some TV program that will feature ANA because last month, our operation at Heathrow was filmed. A Japanese actor was checked in and cameras followed him.. It was really crazy, very crowded.

taken from philstar.com.. im not really sure if this is the right thread to place it.. mods feel free to move this post to where you see it fit.. :D

Southeast Asian countries to ink pact on visa-free travel within region
07/12 10:33:21 AM

KUALA LUMPUR (AP)- Ten southeast Asian countries will sign an agreement this month allowing their citizens to travel within the region without visas, the Malaysian foreign minister said Tuesday.

Most of the 10 members of the Association of Southeast Asian currently have bilateral agreements with some or all members of the bloc, allowing their citizens to visit without visas.

The ASEAN Framework Agreement on Visa Exemption will group the bilateral arrangements into a uniform rule, allowing people of the region to visit member nations for up to two weeks without a visa, Foreign Minister Syed Hamid Albar said.

The agreement will be signed during an annual meeting of ASEAN foreign ministers scheduled to start July 23, he said.

The agreement will most affect communist Laos and military-ruled Myanmar. Laos requires every visitor except citizens of Cambodia, Malaysia, Vietnam and Singapore to have a visa while Myanmar does not allow anyone, including citizens of ASEAN countries, to enter without visas.

Vietnam has visa exemption agreements with all ASEAN members except Cambodia and Myanmar. Citizens of other ASEAN countries are allowed visa free travel for up to 30 days.

ASEAN comprises Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, the Philippines, Indonesia, Cambodia, Laos, Brunei, Myanmar and Vietnam.

Seatexpert definitely has been fast in adding PR into their list esp. considering it's lifespan compared to Seatguru...I'm STILL waiting after these few years...

Speaking of JAL and ANA, there were two great J-dramas pertaining to the commercial aviation industry there. One that was broadcasted in 2003 was Good Luck!! (http://wiki.d-addicts.com/Good_Luck) which revolved around a First Officer in ANA (Takuya Kimura) aspiring to recieve his 4th stripe and falling in love with a female mechanic at the same time. Before I left Japan, Fuji TV began Attention Please (http://wiki.d-addicts.com/Attention_Please) which has a female punk rocker (Aya Ueto) training to become a flight attendant. Like Good Luck!!, there's romance with a mechanic. Both are great dramas and if there's anything that makes up for it's plot, it's all those shots of aircraft interiors and exteriors. :D (kinda funny seeing a domestic 777-200 and 747-400D used for international trans-Pac flights et al...:lol: )

wow!...im such a big fan of Aya Ueto!

anyway

im flying on PAL's A333 next month...i hope i get the one with purple seats ( well i think its purple anyway form what i remember) :)

i like jals new livery better than ana's...

that is a good news!!! steven

me too... I really like the "arc of the sun" logo very symbolic, striking and very Japan.

i like jals new livery better than ana's...

taken from philstar.com.. im not really sure if this is the right thread to place it.. mods feel free to move this post to where you see it fit.. :D

Southeast Asian countries to ink pact on visa-free travel within region
07/12 10:33:21 AM

KUALA LUMPUR (AP)- Ten southeast Asian countries will sign an agreement this month allowing their citizens to travel within the region without visas, the Malaysian foreign minister said Tuesday.

Most of the 10 members of the Association of Southeast Asian currently have bilateral agreements with some or all members of the bloc, allowing their citizens to visit without visas.

The ASEAN Framework Agreement on Visa Exemption will group the bilateral arrangements into a uniform rule, allowing people of the region to visit member nations for up to two weeks without a visa, Foreign Minister Syed Hamid Albar said.

The agreement will be signed during an annual meeting of ASEAN foreign ministers scheduled to start July 23, he said.

The agreement will most affect communist Laos and military-ruled Myanmar. Laos requires every visitor except citizens of Cambodia, Malaysia, Vietnam and Singapore to have a visa while Myanmar does not allow anyone, including citizens of ASEAN countries, to enter without visas.

Vietnam has visa exemption agreements with all ASEAN members except Cambodia and Myanmar. Citizens of other ASEAN countries are allowed visa free travel for up to 30 days.

ASEAN comprises Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand, the Philippines, Indonesia, Cambodia, Laos, Brunei, Myanmar and Vietnam.

Laos doesn't require visas for Filipinos. I should know, I was just there.

wow!...im such a big fan of Aya Ueto!

anyway

im flying on PAL's A333 next month...i hope i get the one with purple seats ( well i think its purple anyway form what i remember) :)

aren't they all purple? :)

there's a news about a PK crashed in Pakistan going to Lahore

and an A320 NW had a tail damage due to a plane arriving at the back of it. it think it was wrong taxiing out of NW that it reach its tai to the runway.

heard of this news lately? all this were featured in the tv news.

Laos doesn't require visas for Filipinos. I should know, I was just there.

How was it, Sol? :D

After 3 months, I FINALLY finished my Northwest World Business Class trip report to the Philippines. m))

Link to the Airliners.net thread (http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/81176/)

BACOLOD INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT

Friday, January 27, 2006

New Airport Work On Track - Cano

BRGY. BAGTIC, Silay City - Assistant Secretary Ricardo Tan of the Department of Transportation and Communication yesterday assured the people of Bacolod City and Negros Occidental he will oversee the construction of the New Bacolod (Silay) Airport Development Project until its completion in the first quarter of 2007.
Tan, who conducted an ocular inspection of the airport site yesterday together with DOTC project engineers, said the P4.37-billion airport of international standards is expected to be operational by the second quarter of next year.
We are now on our 17th month of implementation and construction work has already reached 29.04 percent as of end-December 2005, he said.
Tan said there is a slight delay in the schedule of a maximum of 15 days, but the contractor has prepared a revised catch-up program to overcome the delay and complete the project as scheduled, he said.
The airport, which has a total area of 187.02 hectares, is being constructed by Japanese contractor Takenaka Itochu Joint Venture and being funded by the Philippine government's 25th Yen Loan Package.
Now under construction is the 6,180-square meter terminal building, the two-kilometer runway, and the DOTC's Project Management Office and consultant's office.
The embarkment work in the parking area, which can accommodate at least 350 vehicles, is almost complete, Tan said.
With this new airport, he said, passengers can already avail of advanced airport facilities such as boarding bridges and modern baggage conveyors.
Technologically advanced control tower and state-of-the-art navigational equipment, conforming to the standards of the International Civil Aviation Board, will also be installed.
The 3.5-kilometer Silay-Guimbalaon diversion road, amounting to P68 million, is also almost complete.
For the access road going to the airport site, there are two proposed routes - the 4.8-kilometer McKinley Road and the 6.5-kilometer Guinhalaran Road.
Tan said that based on a study, the Guinhalaran Road is preferable because vehicles using this road will no longer pass by the three cemeteries that are located along the McKinley Road.
The Silay City government, he said, has already given instructions to proceed with the survey of the area as residents have already confirmed their intention to sell their lands.*NLG

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KABANKALAN CITY DOMESTIC AIRPORT

Saturday, February 11, 2006

Purchase Of Airport Site In Kabankalan Set: Zayco
BY CARLA GOMEZ

The Kabankalan City government is preparing to buy a 60-hectare property in Barangay Hilamonan, Kabankalan, as the site of an airport estimated to cost P200 million, Acting Negros Occidental Gov. Isidro Zayco said yesterday.
He said the sugarland to be purchased at Voluntary Offer to Sell rates is expected to cost about P12 million.
The 60-hectare property belongs to about 25 owners who have agreed to sell and a meeting is set between them and Mayor Pedro Zayco Wednesday, Zayco said.
The survey of the land to be purchased has already been completed so the landowners will be informed of what is to be purchased from them, he said.
The site is located on a plateau so it will be flood free, Zayco added.
The building of the airport, which location and design has been approved by the Air Transportation Office, is expected to take three years, Zayco said.
The new airport, that will initially allow the landing of small aircraft, is expected to boost tourism and economic activity in southern Negros, he said.
The new airport will enable faster transport of tourists and cargo in and out of southern Negros, Zayco said.
The ATO, our consultant, said they will be the ones to eventually look for the flights, he added.
Gov. Joseph Marañon has committed a counterpart fund for the project, Zayco said.*CPG

Source: http://www.visayandailystar.com/2006/February/11/topstory8.htm
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SAN CARLOS CITY COMMUNITY AIRPORT

Project Name - San Carlos City Community Airport
Project Concept - To enable commuter aircraft access to San Carlos
Project Proponent - Local Government Unit of San Carlos City
Project Location - Barangay Punao, San Carlos City, Negros Occidental
Project Description :
Area - 40 Hectares
Facilities - Concrete Runway, Taxiways and Apron
- Day Markings and Night Lighting Facilities
- Navigational Instrumentation
- Operations and Terminal Building
ATO Application Type - Conforming to A.O. No. 5, Series of 1967 AGA 14.02 / 14.03 s. 1973, Civil Air Regulations
Runway Length - Stage 1 - 1,000 meters x 18 meters
- Stage 2 - 1,350 meters x 30 meters
Aircraft Types - Stage 1 - 12,500 pounds AUW - 12-30 seat aircraft
- Stage 2 - 25,000 pounds AUW - 60-80 seat aircraft
Project Cost - Stage 1 - P115 Million
Start of Project - August 1998
Start of Construction - CY 2001

Engineering Consultant - Woodward-Clyde Philippines, Inc.
Aviation Consultant - International Air Transport Association (IATA), Singapore
Environmental Consultant - Woodward-Clyde Philippines, Inc.

Source: http://www.sancarloscity.gov.ph/communityairport.html

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there's a news about a PK crashed in Pakistan going to Lahore

and an A320 NW had a tail damage due to a plane arriving at the back of it. it think it was wrong taxiing out of NW that it reach its tai to the runway.

heard of this news lately? all this were featured in the tv news.


been pretty bad for aviation this week...first..it was sibir, then PIA, then an incident involving NW..

There was a hydraulic failure ata with the aircraft that bumped into NW's. Nawala ang steering, yung ang sabi sa CNN :)

and an A320 NW had a tail damage due to a plane arriving at the back of it. it think it was wrong taxiing out of NW that it reach its tai to the runway.

heard of this news lately? all this were featured in the tv news.
I can't find any articled on this one. If anything, the least I'm getting on NW is a possible employee walkout (which I hope is just another bluff just get the airline to negotiate instead of the real thing), PK's grounding of the F-27 fleet, and the fact that BEY/Beirut Int'l Airport's runways were pounded by the Israelis which pretty much has operations at a standstill. The rest of ME/Middle Eastern Airlines' fleet that wasn't in BEY at the time will be deployed to LCA/Larnaca, Cyprus. Ugh, and BEY has a beautiful terminal too and seeing those ME A321s and one A330 sitting there...:(

http://www.airliners.net/uf/536882006/1152781281H6qUvO.jpg
(photo from Beiruit-based Airliners.net member BA)

i saw a video clip of the NW 319(or A320) being hit by a DC 9. The cockpit of the DC9 hit the Airbus' right wing, and the cockpit was smashed. The Airbus has just left the airbridge, and was waiting for the control tower to give it signal to head for the runway. The DC9 plane landed normally, but it had hydraulic problems(not sure) before landing. After landing, the pilot lost control of the aircraft and it smashed the wing of the Airbus plane.

i saw that on the news too...akala ko naman breaks yung prob...or was it slippery

UPDATE on the New IloIlo Airport


http://www.thenewstoday.info/2006/07/14/new.iloilo.airport.jpg
[I]Despite the inclement weather this week, work at the control tower and the passengers' terminal continues at the New Iloilo Airport Development Project (NIADP) in Cabatuan-Sta. Barbara area. The Department of Transportation and Communication (DOTC) earlier projected that the NIADP will be completed by the end of this year.
The News Today Info

New Iloilo airport 75 percent complete
Panay News

CABATUAN, Iloilo – Three-fourths of the civil works, building works, utility works and other types of works at the site the Iloilo airport of international standards are already finished.

Engr. Manuel Lauden, deputy project manager of the New Iloilo Airport Development Project (NIADP), also said the new Iloilo airport is comparatively the best and the earliest ever constructed outside of Metro Manila.

He added that the new airport is the first to have the latest technology belonging to Category F as determined by the International Civil Aviation (ICA) Organization. This means the new Iloilo airport is qualified for international standards.

Meanwhile, Engr. Celso de la Cruz, deputy project manager for Phil-Japan Airport Consultants, Inc., said almost all equipment and facilities are already on hand; some were installed for commissioning before the year ends. These equipment and facilities will be tested starting December, while the buildings are undergoing rigid finishing touches to ensure quality.

He said work continues without delay, except for constraints like the bad weather and some social aspects of operation, the latter, relatively manageable.

The three-storey passenger terminal, about 12,000 square meters in floor area, houses the baggage conveyor on the first floor, the check-in area and the airline offices on the second floor and the pre-departure area on the third, and the arrival area along the corridors that lead to the first floor. The airport apron can accommodate six aircrafts simultaneously parking at a time.

Other feature aside from the standard civil works and building works are the air navigation systems that include a radar area which can easily determine the condition of flying aircrafts, including those in distress.

The complex has a six-hectare regulating pond, bigger than the Burnham Park in Baguio; it can hold even a year’s continuous downpour, hence, not flood the airport runway. Engr. Lauden said the water passes through a treatment plant, which can augur well for the area to become a livelihood center. The water in the pond will also be pumped out for irrigation purposes.

“The new Iloilo airport, when it becomes fully operational, is the key to many great opportunities for unprecedented growth in Iloilo,” said Philippine Information Agency Deputy Director General Leo Omoso.

Iloilo Gov. Niel Tupas said the new Iloilo airport will expand livelihood sources for many people.

It will also promote tourism and investments and bring about social benefits, he added.

The implementation of the NIADP is spearheaded by the Department of Transportation and Communication.

^ o wow :)

thats nice!!

Only a few days more to the Farnborough Airshow, if PR is going to make interesting announcements , specially about it's widebodies, it's going to be there. A very exciting week for Philippine Aviation hopefully.

SO many new airports in the provinces, who ever said that the government is not doing anything to improve infrastracture is wrong, is ako dun hehehe!:)

Only a few days more to the Farnborough Airshow, if PR is going to make interesting announcements , specially about it's widebodies, it's going to be there. A very exciting week for Philippine Aviation hopefully.
I'd definitely be excited if PR makes an anouncement in Farnborough! Not that often that I'd hear them do such a thing during that airshow or in Paris every other year. :D

woah... amazing progress with the new Iloilo Airport. and in that picture, it appears like the Iloilo terminal will have two seperate levels/corridors for arriving and departing passengers. nice..!

it really is starting to look like cities in the provinces are soon going to boast better airport facilities than that in Manila, seeing as NAIA-T3 isn't going to be opening any time soon. Davao's already got an awesome new terminal, and both Iloilo and Bacolod aren't far off. it's ironic how Manila, the capital city, is the one that is lagging behind...

on a side note, I hope the gov't provides enough money to maintain these new world-class airports. I came across this lengthy project completion report by the ADB regarding the new Davao airport they helped fund, and it says everything except, unfortunately, maintenance and upkeep is looking great. part of the loan agreement stipulates the proper maintenance of the facility in the long term after project completion, so hopefully the ADB will press the related gov't agencies to keep the new DIA working well. one problem the report mentioned was that several approach lights were already busted during the time of inspection. ATO said they would just continue services with reduced capabilities, and had no plan to rectify the problem until the point came that airport operations would have to be completely shut down otherwise. that basically defeats the purpose of acquiring and installing the modern, high-tech instruments/systems that make it a world-class airport... sigh.

freakin politics....its nice to see our provincial cities progressing.....Manila the capital is always last....surpassed by our neighbours & is now being surpassed by provincial cities....( i dont think Even Manila cares much about being surpassed( well its not that they dont care but because of politics...Manila's usually the victim)

i do hope Cebu, Iloilo, Bacolod, Davao etc etc all surpasses Manila...good for all of them....Poor Manila....this should be a wake up call...(if they care at all....)pretty soon most SEA capital's will have better airport than us...


Imagine How much positve it will be when T3 opens....no need to explain here

Laoag terminal ready for big jets
By Romeo Supnad

LAOAG CITY — Officials here urged the government to hasten the expansion of the Laoag International Airport so it could accommodate larger aircraft and boost trade and tourism in the Ilocos region.

Undersecretary Hermenegildo Dumlao, executive director of the North Luzon Growth Quadrangle, said his office recently held a consultation meeting with officials of the Department of Tourism and it was agreed that the expansion of the airport would help fulfill the region’s tourism potential.

“One of our primary objectives is to pursue new tourism strategies. This means developing basic infrastructure, such as the Laoag International Airport which will provide quick access to North Luzon tourist destinations”.

“North Luzon is where some of the most beautiful tourist destinations in the country are located. It is rich in natural, cultural, man-made and historical attractions, such as beautiful pristine beaches and has relatively developed infrastructure support facilities such as good road networks, telecommunication facilities and power,” he added.

Dumlao held consultation meetings with undersecretary Oscar Palabyab of the Department of Tourism and presidential assistant for North Luzon Enrie Mendoza.

Dumlao said the expansion of the airport is part of the national government infrastructure development plan for Northern Luzon.

Other projects in the pipeline are the North Luzon-Cordillera Transworld Heritage highway, the North Luzon Expressway East, Baguio-Aritao Road, Suyo-Cervantes-Mankayan-Abatan Road and the Cervantes-Sabangan Road.

The development of the San Fernando Airport and Poro Point in La Union, Vigan Airport and Salomague Seaport in Ilocos Sur and the Santa Ana Seaport in Cagayan are also meant to open gateways that would link Northern Luzon to the Taiwan-Southern China-Hong Kong Growth Triangle.

Recently, President Arroyo approved funding for the North Luzon-Cordillera Transworld Heritage highway.

Ilocos Sur Gov. Luis “Chavit” Singson said the highway will connect Ilocos Sur and Ilocos Norte to the Cordillera and Cagayan Valley regions, passing through the famous Banawe rice terraces and connecting the towns of Suyo and Cervantes in Ilocos Sur; Abatan and Bauko in Benguet; and Sabangan in Mt. Province.

“Aside from cutting short the trip for several hours, this will also open the floodgates of tourism and trade,” said Mendoza.

Commuters going to the Cagayan Valley region currently pass through the Patapat Road in Ilocos Norte or take the longer route from Carmen Rosales, Pangasinan to San Jose City, Nueva Ecija.

freakin politics....its nice to see our provincial cities progressing.....Manila the capital is always last....surpassed by our neighbours & is now being surpassed by provincial cities....( i dont think Even Manila cares much about being surpassed( well its not that they dont care but because of politics...Manila's usually the victim)

i do hope Cebu, Iloilo, Bacolod, Davao etc etc all surpasses Manila...good for all of them....Poor Manila....this should be a wake up call...(if they care at all....)pretty soon most SEA capital's will have better airport than us...


Imagine How much positve it will be when T3 opens....no need to explain here

I'd hardly call three-gate airports that cater to narrowbodies as something that surpasses Manila...

And Terminal 1 isn't that bad. It suits our needs just fine. It just gets really crowded a peak hours, but the congestion isn't as bad compared to the time that PAL still had international operations there. Of course, in the future, it will get worse, which is why T3 is there.

I guess people have been dazzled by HKIA, KLIA, Suvarnabhumi, and Changi, but they're usually the exception to the rule. Try disembarking in LAX or in some terminals of London Heathrow, and the experience is just as bad, if not worse, than NAIA T1.

[QUOTE=zyanz][CENTER]BACOLOD INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT

Friday, January 27, 2006

New Airport Work On Track - Cano

BRGY. BAGTIC, Silay City - Assistant Secretary Ricardo Tan of the Department of Transportation and Communication yesterday assured the people of Bacolod City and Negros Occidental he will oversee the construction of the New Bacolod (Silay) Airport Development Project until its completion in the first quarter of 2007.
Tan, who conducted an ocular inspection of the airport site yesterday together with DOTC project engineers, said the P4.37-billion airport of international standards is expected to be operational by the second quarter of next year.
We are now on our 17th month of implementation and construction work has already reached 29.04 percent as of end-December 2005, he said.
Tan said there is a slight delay in the schedule of a maximum of 15 days, but the contractor has prepared a revised catch-up program to overcome the delay and complete the project as scheduled, he said.
The airport, which has a total area of 187.02 hectares, is being constructed by Japanese contractor Takenaka Itochu Joint Venture and being funded by the Philippine government's 25th Yen Loan Package.
Now under construction is the 6,180-square meter terminal building, the two-kilometer runway, and the DOTC's Project Management Office and consultant's office.
The embarkment work in the parking area, which can accommodate at least 350 vehicles, is almost complete, Tan said.
With this new airport, he said, passengers can already avail of advanced airport facilities such as boarding bridges and modern baggage conveyors.
Technologically advanced control tower and state-of-the-art navigational equipment, conforming to the standards of the International Civil Aviation Board, will also be installed.
The 3.5-kilometer Silay-Guimbalaon diversion road, amounting to P68 million, is also almost complete.
For the access road going to the airport site, there are two proposed routes - the 4.8-kilometer McKinley Road and the 6.5-kilometer Guinhalaran Road.
Tan said that based on a study, the Guinhalaran Road is preferable because vehicles using this road will no longer pass by the three cemeteries that are located along the McKinley Road.
The Silay City government, he said, has already given instructions to proceed with the survey of the area as residents have already confirmed their intention to sell their lands.*NLG

Source_ http://www.visayandailystar.com/2006/January/27/topstory5.htm
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Zyanz,
great post, SALAMAT PO !
richard

UPDATE on the New IloIlo Airport


http://www.thenewstoday.info/2006/07/14/new.iloilo.airport.jpg
[I]Despite the inclement weather this week, work at the control tower and the passengers' terminal continues at the New Iloilo Airport Development Project (NIADP) in Cabatuan-Sta. Barbara area. The Department of Transportation and Communication (DOTC) earlier projected that the NIADP will be completed by the end of this year.
The News Today Info

New Iloilo airport 75 percent complete
Panay News

CABATUAN, Iloilo – Three-fourths of the civil works, building works, utility works and other types of works at the site the Iloilo airport of international standards are already finished.

Engr. Manuel Lauden, deputy project manager of the New Iloilo Airport Development Project (NIADP), also said the new Iloilo airport is comparatively the best and the earliest ever constructed outside of Metro Manila.

He added that the new airport is the first to have the latest technology belonging to Category F as determined by the International Civil Aviation (ICA) Organization. This means the new Iloilo airport is qualified for international standards.

Meanwhile, Engr. Celso de la Cruz, deputy project manager for Phil-Japan Airport Consultants, Inc., said almost all equipment and facilities are already on hand; some were installed for commissioning before the year ends. These equipment and facilities will be tested starting December, while the buildings are undergoing rigid finishing touches to ensure quality.

He said work continues without delay, except for constraints like the bad weather and some social aspects of operation, the latter, relatively manageable.

The three-storey passenger terminal, about 12,000 square meters in floor area, houses the baggage conveyor on the first floor, the check-in area and the airline offices on the second floor and the pre-departure area on the third, and the arrival area along the corridors that lead to the first floor. The airport apron can accommodate six aircrafts simultaneously parking at a time.

Other feature aside from the standard civil works and building works are the air navigation systems that include a radar area which can easily determine the condition of flying aircrafts, including those in distress.

The complex has a six-hectare regulating pond, bigger than the Burnham Park in Baguio; it can hold even a year’s continuous downpour, hence, not flood the airport runway. Engr. Lauden said the water passes through a treatment plant, which can augur well for the area to become a livelihood center. The water in the pond will also be pumped out for irrigation purposes.

“The new Iloilo airport, when it becomes fully operational, is the key to many great opportunities for unprecedented growth in Iloilo,” said Philippine Information Agency Deputy Director General Leo Omoso.

Iloilo Gov. Niel Tupas said the new Iloilo airport will expand livelihood sources for many people.

It will also promote tourism and investments and bring about social benefits, he added.

The implementation of the NIADP is spearheaded by the Department of Transportation and Communication.

Sandrin,
SALAMAT PO, exactly what i was waiting for !
richard

i'm happy that iloilo's new airport will be completed soon. Iloilo really deserves a new airport. Now, I can visit my father's hometown! The old airport is the reason i don't want to go home in my father's hometown bec. the iloilo airport is really bad. I don't to experience walking under the heat of sun anymore. This news is a good one. A modern and can handle 6 planes in an airport is really deserve by iloilo - its one of the promising provinces in our country.

[I]UPDATE on the New IloIlo Airport
http://www.thenewstoday.info/2006/07/14/new.iloilo.airport.jpg



yeah, LAX is one of the worst and "oldy" airport around, but bad a NAIA 1.

I guess people have been dazzled by HKIA, KLIA, Suvarnabhumi, and Changi, but they're usually the exception to the rule. Try disembarking in LAX or in some terminals of London Heathrow, and the experience is just as bad, if not worse, than NAIA T1.

I know that some wouldn't not agree with me but I think that NAIA T1's design is good... well, I like Locsin's disign really...

[QUOTE=zyanz][CENTER]BACOLOD INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT

Friday, January 27, 2006

New Airport Work On Track - Cano

BRGY. BAGTIC, Silay City - Assistant Secretary Ricardo Tan of the Department of Transportation and Communication yesterday assured the people of Bacolod City and Negros Occidental he will oversee the construction of the New Bacolod (Silay) Airport Development Project until its completion in the first quarter of 2007.
Tan, who conducted an ocular inspection of the airport site yesterday together with DOTC project engineers, said the P4.37-billion airport of international standards is expected to be operational by the second quarter of next year.
We are now on our 17th month of implementation and construction work has already reached 29.04 percent as of end-December 2005, he said.
Tan said there is a slight delay in the schedule of a maximum of 15 days, but the contractor has prepared a revised catch-up program to overcome the delay and complete the project as scheduled, he said.
The airport, which has a total area of 187.02 hectares, is being constructed by Japanese contractor Takenaka Itochu Joint Venture and being funded by the Philippine government's 25th Yen Loan Package.
Now under construction is the 6,180-square meter terminal building, the two-kilometer runway, and the DOTC's Project Management Office and consultant's office.
The embarkment work in the parking area, which can accommodate at least 350 vehicles, is almost complete, Tan said.
With this new airport, he said, passengers can already avail of advanced airport facilities such as boarding bridges and modern baggage conveyors.
Technologically advanced control tower and state-of-the-art navigational equipment, conforming to the standards of the International Civil Aviation Board, will also be installed.
The 3.5-kilometer Silay-Guimbalaon diversion road, amounting to P68 million, is also almost complete.
For the access road going to the airport site, there are two proposed routes - the 4.8-kilometer McKinley Road and the 6.5-kilometer Guinhalaran Road.
Tan said that based on a study, the Guinhalaran Road is preferable because vehicles using this road will no longer pass by the three cemeteries that are located along the McKinley Road.
The Silay City government, he said, has already given instructions to proceed with the survey of the area as residents have already confirmed their intention to sell their lands.*NLG

Source_ http://www.visayandailystar.com/2006/January/27/topstory5.htm
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Zyanz,
great post, SALAMAT PO !
richard

The rendering for the Silay Airport looks much bigger than the 6,180 Sq. M. you mentioned. Could the 6180 Sq. M. be only the footprint of the building and not the floor area?

Wow! Nagsusulputan na ang mga world-class airports sa 'tin! :applause:
Tapos we have pa the ones in Daraga, Panglao and CDO.

I know that some wouldn't not agree with me but I think that NAIA T1's design is good... well, I like Locsin's disign really...
IMHO, I like the exterior of Terminal 1. It's just the interior that I believe could do a bit of a sprucing up.

I'd definitely be excited if PR makes an anouncement in Farnborough! Not that often that I'd hear them do such a thing during that airshow or in Paris every other year. :D
I normally would not expect anything from them as well. But they did say a few months ago that they were going to make a decision and announce it by end of the 2nd quarter. Time looks right just about now, if they've really made a decision. There is no better time to talk to airbus than now, specially about their A380 or even their 340's. ( I think these are their most likely choices) They'll be happy to have any mainline airline customer right now, even if it's PR. After all PR used to be a top notch airline, they could theoretically be a future SIA if they play their cards right. (operative word is theoretically) In any case we do know they (PR) will need to make a decision on their widebodies soon.

Photo release: Iloilo nears completion of international airport
by PIA Iloilo

Iloilo City (12 July) -- Visiting Philippine Information Agency (PIA) Deputy Director-General Leon Omoso was given today a tour of ongoing civil works for the new international airport here in Cabatuan district. He was briefed by Engr. Manuel Lauden, DOTC Deputy Project Manager.

Iloilo airport of international standards

http://www.pia.gov.ph/press/image/060712-r6-1.jpg

Philippine Information Agency Deputy Director-General Leo Omoso listens to Engr. Manuel Lauden, DOTC Deputy Project Manager for NIADP, as the latter explains the work going on and overall status of the project. In Photo are PIA - AMO 6 operations in-charge Nena Magalona and Phil-JAC Deputy project manager Engr. Celso de la Cruz and another deputy project manager. (PIA 6)

Iloilo's pride

http://www.pia.gov.ph/press/image/060712-r6-2.jpg

Workers continue to do finishing work on the runway of Iloilo's Airport of International Standards in Cabatuan, Iloilo. According to the DOTC project managers and consultants, the airport is expected to test the equipment and facilities before the year ends. (PIA 6)

http://www.pia.gov.ph/press/image/060712-r6-3.jpg

Work at the control tower and the passengers' terminal continues at the New Iloilo Airport Development Project (NIADP), as the Department of Transportation and Communication expects the facilities and equipment to be tested before end of this year. (PIA 6)

PAL delays decision on new planes


By Daxim Lucas
Inquirer
Last updated 05:40am (Mla time) 07/17/2006

Published on page B1 of the July 17, 2006 issue of the Philippine Daily Inquirer

FLAG CARRIER Philippine Airlines (PAL) has delayed its decision on which brand and type of wide-bodied aircraft to acquire as part of its plan to boost capacity for trans-Pacific flights.

In a telephone interview, PAL president and chief operating officer Jaime Bautista said the airline's management was still deep in negotiations with representatives of US aerospace giant Boeing Co. and European plane maker Airbus Industrie.

"We will probably be able to make a decision [on the type of aircraft to be acquired] before the end of the third quarter," he said.

The airline is in the process of deciding whether it will acquire four Boeing 777s or four Airbus A340-600s for its routes to the US west coast and to Vancouver, Canada--PAL's most profitable routes.

The PAL chief had initially set the deadline for the decision at the end of the second quarter. The deadline was not met because the airline continued to shop for the best deal from either manufacturer, he said.

Bautista said both Boeing and Airbus have local representatives who were in regular communication with PAL on the prospective orders, although he declined to disclose which manufacturer the Lucio Tan-owned airline favored at present.

Instead, he noted that the airline continued to use as its main criteria the fuel and maintenance efficiency of either type.

"We are looking at the technical specifications, but both planes are very good," he said.

Industry observers note that the Boeing 777 may have a slight edge in terms of fuel and maintenance efficiency because it uses only two engines, as opposed to the four-engine Airbus A340.

On the other hand, PAL already has four A340s in its fleet and its pilots, ground maintenance crew are already familiar with its workings--a fact that translates into cost savings if PAL chooses the type.

"There is such a thing as equipment commonality when considering aircraft acquisition," the airline president said.

Once PAL decides on either Boeing or Airbus, Bautista said that he expected the first aircraft to be in service "within two years."

"It takes about 18 months to build one plane, so this will take time," he explained, adding that the four aircraft being considered will not be delivered to PAL all at once, but will instead be phased in as they are built.

The PAL chief said earlier that the new aircraft would be acquired on a "dry lease" basis with an option for the airline to buy them at the end of the lease contract.

PAL has a fleet of 32 aircraft, representing a mix of wide-bodied jets and smaller regional planes for domestic and short-haul international operations.



Aww, looks like no Farnborough announcement from PAL. And I'm surprised, too that Airbus didn't offer some great deal to PAL for their A346 so that they don't look too trounced by Boeing this year.

It's either that, or PAL is saying diplomatically na wala silang pera :D

^^Well, now it's just hoping between now and Paris...would be nice to have it formalized there but get an announcement sooner. :lol:

Show me new interior product upgrades! :nuts:

Photo release: Iloilo nears completion of international airport
by PIA Iloilo

Iloilo City (12 July) -- Visiting Philippine Information Agency (PIA) Deputy Director-General Leon Omoso was given today a tour of ongoing civil works for the new international airport here in Cabatuan district. He was briefed by Engr. Manuel Lauden, DOTC Deputy Project Manager.

Iloilo airport of international standards

http://www.pia.gov.ph/press/image/060712-r6-1.jpg

Philippine Information Agency Deputy Director-General Leo Omoso listens to Engr. Manuel Lauden, DOTC Deputy Project Manager for NIADP, as the latter explains the work going on and overall status of the project. In Photo are PIA - AMO 6 operations in-charge Nena Magalona and Phil-JAC Deputy project manager Engr. Celso de la Cruz and another deputy project manager. (PIA 6)

Iloilo's pride

http://www.pia.gov.ph/press/image/060712-r6-2.jpg

Workers continue to do finishing work on the runway of Iloilo's Airport of International Standards in Cabatuan, Iloilo. According to the DOTC project managers and consultants, the airport is expected to test the equipment and facilities before the year ends. (PIA 6)

http://www.pia.gov.ph/press/image/060712-r6-3.jpg

Work at the control tower and the passengers' terminal continues at the New Iloilo Airport Development Project (NIADP), as the Department of Transportation and Communication expects the facilities and equipment to be tested before end of this year. (PIA 6)
This new international airport in iloilo is nice... better than Mactan's and Even Davao's...imo...

^^Well, now it's just hoping between now and Paris...would be nice to have it formalized there but get an announcement sooner. :lol:

Show me new interior product upgrades! :nuts:

I'm crossing my fingers for an SAA-style business class (at any rate, it's better than PAL's current first class offering)

This new international airport in iloilo is nice... better than Mactan's and Even Davao's...imo...

Well, its nice that you like it, as Bacolod Silay and virtually every other new airport will share the design :D

I'm crossing my fingers for an SAA-style business class (at any rate, it's better than PAL's current first class offering)



Well, its nice that you like it, as Bacolod Silay and virtually every other new airport will share the design :D

yeah, even CDO's Laguindingan Int'l airport will have more or less similar design.

Aww, looks like no Farnborough announcement from PAL. And I'm surprised, too that Airbus didn't offer some great deal to PAL for their A346 so that they don't look too trounced by Boeing this year.

It's either that, or PAL is saying diplomatically na wala silang pera :D
Aw man, this really pops my baloon :ohno: I thought they were about to announce it already, oh well.

Looks like aircraft selection has been narrowed down as well to the most likely candidates of the two manufacturers. So it's A340-600's vs. Triple 7's 300's. So my nephew's chismis about buzz in PR about triple 7's is not totally wash. Ussually Airbus has lost this battle the past several years but the A346's does have some extra ammunition this time with PR operating the A340 already , plus a JV with Lufthansa to maintain such airplanes. I think it boils down to if Airubs is willing to lower the price of the A346 substantially to offset the superior economics of the Boeing two holer. Interesting.

I totally agree with you that I thought Airbus would offer some great package to PR for them to clinch this sale and announce it in Farnborough. Perhaps Airbus has changed it's ways and life will not revolve around sales announcements in major airshows.

Well like Naia 3 a few more months wait ! :)

I'm crossing my fingers for an SAA-style business class (at any rate, it's better than PAL's current first class offering)


Definitely a good choice. :D SA's C seat is one of few that are actual true flat seats (the new seats that SQ, CX, JL, NH, KE, BR, AF, NW, etc. are flat, but angled to the floor). Nevertheless, if PR removes F, PLEASE make sure that the C seat is a true flat!

It's great to see the new Iloilo Airport coming to fruition! m))

It look likes PAL is routing to become a 4 star airline (at least) by improving its First Class and Mabuhay Class Service by introducing their new inflight service called "One by One". The new inflight service had a soft launch last July 1, 2006 on Los Angeles flights.

Here are some important points regarding "One by One"
* The introduction of a new service method for First Class and Mabuhay Class - a la carte - where meals are individually packed, prepared and plated from the galley in the tradition of fine-dining restaurants. "On-demand" service allows passengers to partake their meals anytime during the flight.

* Exciting key signiture dishes exclusive to PAL, complementad by other new kitchen concoctions by Executive Chef Ian McKenzie

* A total makeover of gally equipement and dining ware (from plates, saucers, cups, bowls, glasses, linens, etc.) that sport a new design concept - very modern with clean lines - inspired by the country's coastlines, thus called Coastal Collection.

The new inflight meal service method creates the "restaurant ambiance" where passengers can pick their own meal from a variety of choices. The crew is able to tailor fit the service to passenger preferences. The pace is dictated by the passenger's need. It offers more opportunities for the crew to interact with passenger.
Currently batches of international cabin crew are undergoing training at the PAL Learning Center. Eventuall, when all the international cabin crew shall have finished training, One by One service will be the standard premium class service on all international long-haul flights.

Source: PALiner

It look likes PAL is routing to become a 4 star airline (at least) by improving its First Class and Mabuhay Class Service by introducing their new inflight service called "One by One". The new inflight service had a soft launch last Luky 1, 2006 on Los Angeles flights.

Here are some important points regarding "One by One"
* The introduction of a new service method for First Class and Mabuhay Class - a la carte - where meals are individually packed, prepared and plated from the galley in the tradition of fine-dining restaurants. "On-demand" service allows passengers to partake their meals anytime during the flight.

*


not finished


Don't leave us hanging like that!!!!

:D

^ finished na po,,, syensya na! :D

ow well atleast PAL has narrowed they're widebody choice thoufh its pretty obvious that its the A346 or B777 or front runners.....i dont really care which of the two they get...if its not B777 i would not be disapponited eaither....

B777 & A346 are two of my most favorite Planes....

did you guys hear news about another russian airliner crush?.....im just what wondering what plane that is though becaus eits a russian made plane...not airbus nor boeing

but it looked identical to a 727

here's my pic of cebu pacific last july 01 papuntang cebu...

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e345/ishtefh_03/Cebu%20pictures/ishtefh-8.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e345/ishtefh_03/Cebu%20pictures/ishtefh-9.jpg

I'd hardly call three-gate airports that cater to narrowbodies as something that surpasses Manila...

And Terminal 1 isn't that bad. It suits our needs just fine. It just gets really crowded a peak hours, but the congestion isn't as bad compared to the time that PAL still had international operations there. Of course, in the future, it will get worse, which is why T3 is there.

I guess people have been dazzled by HKIA, KLIA, Suvarnabhumi, and Changi, but they're usually the exception to the rule. Try disembarking in LAX or in some terminals of London Heathrow, and the experience is just as bad, if not worse, than NAIA T1.


fair enough ...but still my point is too much negative politics are is affecting the opening of T3,...though govt projects in the Provincial cities are doing better & seem to progress faster....Yes T1 does serve its purpose & it does get crowded....but it would be nice if we atlease have an impressive international terminal (T3) impressions lasts....it would do our country alot of good to have this open.....i think T3 is beautiful.....or lets just use T1 for the next 15 years...then everyone is happy...(i sure hope not)...i mean same thing can be said in our meto rail system....though not as bad


actually if it up to me,.. even if T3 is already open, i would not close T1....(many might not agree with me but i think T1 is really beautiful...look at those sharp curves...look at those edges....just some modification & improvements both inside & out can bring it back to glory)....

foreign carriers on T3 , PAL on T2 and who knows if 5j gets bigger Planes or larger network or fleet then hopefully they can use a rejuvinated T1...

i hope that our NAIA cargo facility also becomes more & more busy...
NW cargo does a regular MNL-HK run

here's my pic of cebu pacific last july 01 papuntang cebu...

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e345/ishtefh_03/Cebu%20pictures/ishtefh-8.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e345/ishtefh_03/Cebu%20pictures/ishtefh-9.jpg


very beautiful pics Steph....love the A320...is the 2nd pic A319?...looks like a shorter plane than thr first one :)

yah, mas maliit ata yun, flight pa davao yan ata...

yah, mas maliit ata yun, flight pa davao yan ata...
just a question....what stuff do they sell in they're flight fun shop?...do they have dei cast collectibles planes as souvenirs?

did you guys hear news about another russian airliner crush?.....im just what wondering what plane that is though becaus eits a russian made plane...not airbus nor boeing

but it looked identical to a 727

The last two Russian plane crashes were old Airbus aircraft. Expect more ageing Airbus planes to get into accidents as new problems surface. If you have to fly on an airbus, make sure that the airline you are flying with has a young fleet. The recent plane crash in Russia may have been affected by bad weather, but I beleive that the age and condition of the craft did have a major contributing factor to the crash.

very beautiful pics Steph....love the A320...is the 2nd pic A319?...looks like a shorter plane than thr first one :)

is that how an A320 looks like? Parang maliit. Kasi yun sasakyan ko sa July 19. Sana mas malake. Hehehe...

Aww, looks like no Farnborough announcement from PAL. And I'm surprised, too that Airbus didn't offer some great deal to PAL for their A346 so that they don't look too trounced by Boeing this year.


I didn't know that PAL still considers the B777 an option. I'm guessing that PAL would still choose the A346 because of the couple more dozen seats and won't it cost them to train their pilots to fly the 777?

Thanks for the pictures @ishtefh_03. From that angle, the A320 actually looks bigger, I don't know why. The A319 looks really cute, hehe.

The last two Russian plane crashes were old Airbus aircraft. Expect more ageing Airbus planes to get into accidents as new problems surface. If you have to fly on an airbus, make sure that the airline you are flying with has a young fleet. The recent plane crash in Russia may have been affected by bad weather, but I beleive that the age and condition of the craft did have a major contributing factor to the crash.


Probably caused by the airline companies failure to provide proper maintenance to cut costs, or, it may also be the company they hired to provide the proper maintenance.

It look likes PAL is routing to become a 4 star airline (at least) by improving its First Class and Mabuhay Class Service by introducing their new inflight service called "One by One". The new inflight service had a soft launch last July 1, 2006 on Los Angeles flights.

Here are some important points regarding "One by One"
* The introduction of a new service method for First Class and Mabuhay Class - a la carte - where meals are individually packed, prepared and plated from the galley in the tradition of fine-dining restaurants. "On-demand" service allows passengers to partake their meals anytime during the flight.

* Exciting key signiture dishes exclusive to PAL, complementad by other new kitchen concoctions by Executive Chef Ian McKenzie

* A total makeover of galley equipement and dining ware (from plates, saucers, cups, bowls, glasses, linens, etc.) that sport a new design concept - very modern with clean lines - inspired by the country's coastlines, thus called Coastal Collection.

The new inflight meal service method creates the "restaurant ambiance" where passengers can pick their own meal from a variety of choices. The crew is able to tailor fit the service to passenger preferences. The pace is dictated by the passenger's need. It offers more opportunities for the crew to interact with passenger.
Currently batches of international cabin crew are undergoing training at the PAL Learning Center. Eventually, when all the international cabin crew shall have finished training, One by One service will be the standard premium class service on all international long-haul flights.

Source: PALiner

^^ FINALLY, some on-demand dining! :D Great to hear some sort of an upgrade on the premium cabins... If one can't upgrade the seat, there will always be other areas where you can improve on. Still remember when PAL was downgraded from 4 star status in Skytrax a few years back...man that was a disappointment...

pal should really change their seating!!! and introduce ptvs in all seats!!!

why cant pal just get both the a340 and 777? grrr! oh well, id love to see pal with t7s and a346s! man that would be the day... well, if it comes to cutting costs, i think pal would be better suited to the a340-600, cuz the pilots and the maintenence crew would be familiar with it already... the t7 can fly longer then the a340 doesnt it?

^^The Boeing website says the B777-300ER, with 365 passengers, can fly up to 7,880 nautical miles while the Airbus website says the A340-600, with 380 passengers, can fly up to 8,000 nautical miles. Not much difference with the range but more than a dozen more passengers in the A346 means profit. They can also modify the cabin layout by replacing many of the 58 business class seats on the original layout with a couple dozen more economy seats. Wow, it could have more passengers than the N754!

Anyway, the Airbus website has Farnborough Airshow updates.

^^The Boeing website says the B777-300ER, with 365 passengers, can fly up to 7,880 nautical miles while the Airbus website says the A340-600, with 380 passengers, can fly up to 8,000 nautical miles. Not much difference with the range but more than a dozen more passengers in the A346 means profit. They can also modify the cabin layout by replacing many of the 58 business class seats on the original layout with a couple dozen more economy seats. Wow, it could have more passengers than the N754!

Anyway, the Airbus website has Farnborough Airshow updates.

Actually, if you check the seat pitch that Airbus offers on their 380-seat configuration, the pitch is about the same as previous generation seats in business and first (i.e. what PAL has installed in its 744s today). Emirates' 427-passenger config on their 773ERs actually have a business class that's as roomy as PAL's first class on their 747s. Although I love the A346 to bits, the 773ER is the superior airplane, and in PAL's eyes, the only thing going for the A346 is commonality, and deciding between the two would require a lot of number-crunching.

^^ FINALLY, some on-demand dining! :D Great to hear some sort of an upgrade on the premium cabins... If one can't upgrade the seat, there will always be other areas where you can improve on. Still remember when PAL was downgraded from 4 star status in Skytrax a few years back...man that was a disappointment...

In fairness, PAL wasn't the only airline downgraded... every other major US carrier was downgraded to 3-star, too

just a question....what stuff do they sell in they're flight fun shop?...do they have dei cast collectibles planes as souvenirs?

hehe... my flight fun shop ba?? basta there was a game and ung give aways nila is a bag... :D

is that how an A320 looks like? Parang maliit. Kasi yun sasakyan ko sa July 19. Sana mas malake. Hehehe...

yeh thats An A320....it depends if you're going w/PAL or 5J...chances are if you go with 5J you'll get you'll be on A319 (which i slightly shorter)5J mostly uses A319 at present w the 2 A320 as well (pretty soon they will have four A320s)

hehe... my flight fun shop ba?? basta there was a game and ung give aways nila is a bag... :D

according sa website...may mga prices pa nga...cguro sa international flights lang (but im not sure) gusto go kasi bumili ng A320 diiecast nila Php550 1:500 scale

pal should really change their seating!!! and introduce ptvs in all seats!!!

why cant pal just get both the a340 and 777? grrr! oh well, id love to see pal with t7s and a346s! man that would be the day... well, if it comes to cutting costs, i think pal would be better suited to the a340-600, cuz the pilots and the maintenence crew would be familiar with it already... the t7 can fly longer then the a340 doesnt it?

yeh it would be nice but we must remember that PAL isnt out of rehab yet....but atleast they're doing better now,..also its not that bad...as were almost certain (if not sure) that they will get either of the 2. (A346 or B 777) two of the most economical cost effective planes.

i hope 5j gets A321...i believe this will serve them well...or even a couple of 767-3er for the low density regional routes (its not a question of wether they can afford a 747, 777 or A340) but if they but bigger planes they sholdstudy it well first...767 is a good intro for them...low density longer range routes

The last two Russian plane crashes were old Airbus aircraft. Expect more ageing Airbus planes to get into accidents as new problems surface. If you have to fly on an airbus, make sure that the airline you are flying with has a young fleet. The recent plane crash in Russia may have been affected by bad weather, but I beleive that the age and condition of the craft did have a major contributing factor to the crash.


zdinho..that A310 of sibir airlines was very very old....my earlier post here shows what airline had operated that particular actual plane involed.

anyway.......nice to know no fatalities this time..(ITS NOT ACTUALLY A CRASH BUR THE PLANE WAS DESTROYED & BURNED TO THE GROUND)

Russian Airliner Makes Emergency Landing in Irkutsk

July 10 (Bloomberg) -- A Tupolev-154 passenger plane operated by OAO Ural Airlines made an emergency landing in the Russian city of Irkutsk after a technical problem. The incident is one of four involving the country's aircraft in two days, and follows the fatal crash of an Airbus A310 at the same airport.

The Russian-built Tupolev, flying to Yekaterinburg in the Ural mountains from Vladivostok in Russia's Far East, landed at Irkutsk airport at 1:35 p.m. Moscow time today, Natalya Lukash, Emergency Ministry spokeswoman, said in a telephone interview. None of the 130 passengers and nine crew was hurt, she said.

A Tu-134 belonging to the Russian Black Sea Fleet and carrying Navy Commander Admiral Vladimir Masorin crashed in the Crimea, in Ukraine, today between 1 and 2 p.m. Moscow time, Navy spokesman Igor Dygalo said in a telephone interview. Three people were hurt and were hospitalized, he said. Neither Masorin, nor any of the officers in his delegation was injured.

``The airplane is destroyed,'' he said. One of the plane's engines stopped on takeoff. A bird may have got into the engine, Dygalo said.

`Worrying Coincidences'

``This is a worrying series of coincidences,'' Boris Rybak, director of Infomost, a Moscow-based aviation consulting company, said in a telephone interview. ``Our aviation authorities have to pay attention and react to this signal.''

Sibir spokesman Ilya Novokhatsky said there are no plans to ground the airline's A310s.

Airbus yesterday said they were sending six specialists to Irkutsk to investigate the crash.

Russia's air safety record has improved since 1996, when it had 43 incidents including 14 fatal crashes that killed 219 people, according to the Interstate Aviation Committee, a body in the Commonwealth of Independent States that investigates air crashes.

In 2004, Russia registered six fatal crashes that killed 50 people. Seven crashes last year took 56 lives. The committee did not include two flights on Aug. 24, 2004, that were blown up by suicide bombers with the loss of 90 people.

In total, 101 people died in 13 crashes in 12 former Soviet republics last year, down from 293 in 1996.

yeh it would be nice but we must remember that PAL isnt out of rehab yet....but atleast they're doing better now,..also its not that bad...as were almost certain (if not sure) that they will get either of the 2. (A346 or B 777) two of the most economical cost effective planes.

i hope 5j gets A321...i believe this will serve them well...or even a couple of 767-3er for the low density regional routes (its not a question of wether they can afford a 747, 777 or A340) but if they but bigger planes they sholdstudy it well first...767 is a good intro for them...low density longer range routes

5J has the resources to skip the 767 and go straight to the 787 if it wants to, but until they've completed their airbus refleeting, they're not introducing any more types. only 4 more planes to go, and the DC9's are gone... :(

yeh thats An A320....it depends if you're going w/PAL or 5J...chances are if you go with 5J you'll get you'll be on A319 (which i slightly shorter)5J mostly uses A319 at present w the 2 A320 as well (pretty soon they will have four A320s)

thanks Rod. i think it will be an A320. I'll be on 5J later this day. :D

I agree! PAL should both have B773 and A346. This will be all beautiful in their livery and hopefully ptvs in economy. They are both the best planes around... sadly PR has to choose one, if only they have enough money to buy both fleet... but who knows a 2 B773 and 2 A346 is a good combination.

pal should really change their seating!!! and introduce ptvs in all seats!!!

why cant pal just get both the a340 and 777? grrr! oh well, id love to see pal with t7s and a346s! man that would be the day... well, if it comes to cutting costs, i think pal would be better suited to the a340-600, cuz the pilots and the maintenence crew would be familiar with it already... the t7 can fly longer then the a340 doesnt it?

PAL has always operated an all GE-powered widebody fleet. If it buys the 777, then it will continue this long tradition. However, if it buys a A346 then it will have a widebody fleet consisting of GE and Rolls-Royce powered planes, unless Airbus comes up with a GE powered derivative of the A346. PAL however, has operated narrow bodied planes with GE engines before (BAC-111).

Cebu Pacific to resume flights to Singapore

By Cecille Yap
Xinhua Financial News Service
Last updated 02:54pm (Mla time) 07/19/2006

CEBU Pacific Air Inc, the airline unit of JG Summit Holdings Inc, will resume daily flights from Manila to Singapore on Aug 31 after a three-year hiatus, Cebu Pacific said.

A Cebu Pacific statement says its first flight to Singapore will depart from the third international terminal here. This will make it the first airline to operate from the terminal which, because of a legal dispute, has not been used since it was completed in 2003.

Cebu Pacific said 319,898 Filipinos visited Singapore last year, 30 percent more than in 2004.

The airline said it would offer between July 20 and 26 a promotional one-way fare of 49 Singapore dollars (exclusive of surcharges and taxes) , about 62 percent less than the prevailing rate, for travel between Aug 31 and Oct 19. Its regular one-way fare is 79 Singapore dollars.

^^ Whoa! Finally!

2 good news for everyone.

Will Cebu Pacific be a threat to Tiger Airways since they will be flying from Manila? And they will be using the modern and spacious terminal 3.

Finally, an indication that T3 will still open!

sorry to burst your bubble.. but there was a re-post of the story with this text added..

Last updated 04:32pm (Mla time) 07/19/2006

Re-posts to remove incorrect reference to international terminal.

also, i think that cebu pacific would pose a bigger threat to jetstar rather than tiger airways.. since it is jetstar which flies from naia.. tiger airways caters to a different market in my opinion..

When will NAIA T-3 be operational?

CebuPacific wants to be at Terminal 2 (Centennial TerminaL) as what I've heard from ANC 2 months ago since it is under PAL. AirPhils has been transfered to T2.

Ano na ang gagawin sa NAIA 1?

PAL has always operated an all GE-powered widebody fleet. If it buys the 777, then it will continue this long tradition. However, if it buys a A346 then it will have a widebody fleet consisting of GE and Rolls-Royce powered planes, unless Airbus comes up with a GE powered derivative of the A346. PAL however, has operated narrow bodied planes with GE engines before (BAC-111).

PAL's current narrow-body fleet and their A340-300 fleet are operated by CFM engines, which are also technically GE engines, as CFM engines are a joint venture between GE and Snecma.

Cathay Pacific also had a long tradition of operating Rolls-Royce engines; they broke the tradition once by using CFM-powered A340-300s, and they're breaking it again by purchasing 18 B777-300ERs that are GE-powered.

Singapore airlines also had that tradition with Pratt & Whitney Engines, but that went out the window in short order with the onset of Rolls Royce on their 772ERs and A345s as well as on their B773ERs that are GE powered.

Looks like engine commonality doesn't carry as much weight as it used to.

When will NAIA T-3 be operational?

CebuPacific wants to be at Terminal 2 (Centennial TerminaL) as what I've heard from ANC 2 months ago since it is under PAL. AirPhils has been transfered to T2.

Ano na ang gagawin sa NAIA 1?

I doubt that Cebu Pacific would want to transfer to T2. For one, the fees are more expensive there.

As for T1, its still there, serving non-pal international flights. As for its fate after T3 opens, nobody knows.

And as for T3, the less said about it, the better.

sorry to burst your bubble.. but there was a re-post of the story with this text added..

Last updated 04:32pm (Mla time) 07/19/2006

Re-posts to remove incorrect reference to international terminal.

also, i think that cebu pacific would pose a bigger threat to jetstar rather than tiger airways.. since it is jetstar which flies from naia.. tiger airways caters to a different market in my opinion..


what a bummer... =(, i thought that it was good news! oh well... we'll just have to wait and see to what happens to t3...

what a bummer... =(, i thought that it was good news! oh well... we'll just have to wait and see to what happens to t3...

I just hope that this will not happen to the two new airports under construction at Iloilo and Bacolod.

thanks Rod. i think it will be an A320. I'll be on 5J later this day. :D


no probs...dont forget the review of your 5j flight hehe :)

I doubt that Cebu Pacific would want to transfer to T2. For one, the fees are more expensive there.

As for T1, its still there, serving non-pal international flights. As for its fate after T3 opens, nobody knows.

And as for T3, the less said about it, the better.


I think the set-up will be all domestic flights are in T2 and all international flights are in T3. As for T1, gov't has other plans for it.
So all 5Js domestic in T2 and int'l in T3.

I think the set-up will be all domestic flights are in T2 and all international flights are in T3. As for T1, gov't has other plans for it.
So all 5Js domestic in T2 and int'l in T3.

That's the ideal set-up, yes, but a certain airline is refusing to move from Terminal 2, making it possible for T1 to house domestic :D

I think the set-up will be all domestic flights are in T2 and all international flights are in T3. As for T1, gov't has other plans for it.
So all 5Js domestic in T2 and int'l in T3.
so the government is going to turn t1 into an exhibition centre? thats what i heard...

I hope T1 gets refurbished...

sayang...i really think they should do a beautification project on t1...it

so the government is going to turn t1 into an exhibition centre? thats what i heard...

Exhibition centre? MIAA said they will refubish it and use it still as a terminal(either domestic or international is still unkonwn) during the suppose opening of NAIA T3 last March...

Have you guys seen the A350? It looks like a modified Boeing 787 Dreamliner. :|

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3/abercromb24/comparison01.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3/abercromb24/comparison02.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3/abercromb24/comparison03.jpg

:dunno: they look similar for me.

been with 5J for seven times, 5 out of 7 delayed.... tsk tsk "That's the new Filipino Time" in short no changes...

Been with PAL several times, I can only remeber 1 delay, a B747 service from GenSan to Manila, the plane arrived ahead of sked, but because the flight is fully booked as well as the cargo, the flight was delayed for 1 hour (considering the 1hr 45 mins stop over during that time) but the flight started boarding 30 minutes before the scheduled departure... So the first people who boarded the flight waited for more than an hour before the flight took off. But they played some Discovery Channel documentaries in the plane while waiting for departure...

I've tried AK's Bae-146-200 MNL-DVO-MNL: Advice: Don't take the flight if the weather is not good...

can you give a detailed report on what transpired on your trip?^^

Base on the published ad they had i don't like the sked very late night....
MNL-SIN
5J803 Dep.:0830pm Arr.:1155pm

SIN-MNL
5J804 Dep.:12:40am Arr.:0405am

Initial Airfare offer is P2,499
Cebu Pacific to resume flights to Singapore



And that airline is PAL!... :D I think that problems also add to the delaying of the opening of T3. I heard that PAL is willing to transfer to T3 with a condition that all their domestic operations too will transfer in T3, which is impossible bec. they are having a "special" treatment. In addition if PAL will not have it, they will transfer all the operations under T1
PAL loyalist ako, pero sa mga nangyayari na ito, naartehan nko sa kanila ha... joke, joke, hehehe :D
That's the ideal set-up, yes, but a certain airline is refusing to move from Terminal 2, making it possible for T1 to house domestic

i heard it is going to be converted into a mall.
so the government is going to turn t1 into an exhibition centre? thats what i heard...


I thought their flight is always 90% on-time as what they have boast on their adds... seems breaking. It that the new Filipino time? Well bec. of that yes... more late, mas late.
been with 5J for seven times, 5 out of 7 delayed.... tsk tsk "That's the new Filipino Time" in short no changes...

I wonder why is it that GES's flight is monopolized by PAL/AirPhil unlike CBO which has a competition. Thats why wala akong nakikitang promo rates for Gensan, maybe. Mas marami namang tao pumupunta ng Gensan as compared to Cotabato City. Correct me if i'm wrong.

May new thread na pala. I posted some pics i edited sa previous thread hehehehe

I'll post it here anyway.

Airbus A380 Philippine Airlines Livery

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3/abercromb24/pal01a380.jpg

Airbus A380 Cebu Pacific Livery - medyo di lang maganda pagkakagawa ko :)

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3/abercromb24/cebupacific01a380.jpg

ENJOY!! :okay:

I thought they already bought the A380's na.

I thought they already bought the A380's na.
hehe we'll have to keep dreaming x]

Have you guys seen the A350? It looks like a modified Boeing 787 Dreamliner. :|

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3/abercromb24/comparison01.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3/abercromb24/comparison02.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3/abercromb24/comparison03.jpg

:dunno: they look similar for me.

heheh... Airbus is now a copycat...

But I like Airbus more than Boeing.

I just finished Part II of my Northwest World Business Class trip report in Airliners.net. I have shots of ILO/Iloilo Airport, NAIA 1, NGO/Nagoya Chubu Int'l Airport, NRT/Tokyo Narita accompanied with some shots of my overnighter in Manila. :D
World Business Class back to Japan (+JL and PR) (http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/81815/)

Part I can be found here (some shots of CTS/Sapporo Chitose Int'l Airport as well):
Sapporo To The Philippines W/ JL, PR, And NW WBC (http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/81176/)

I just finished Part II of my Northwest World Business Class trip report in Airliners.net. I have shots of ILO/Iloilo Airport, NAIA 1, NGO/Nagoya Chubu Int'l Airport, NRT/Tokyo Narita accompanied with some shots of my overnighter in Manila. :D
World Business Class back to Japan (+JL and PR) (http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/81815/)

Part I can be found here (some shots of CTS/Sapporo Chitose Int'l Airport as well):
Sapporo To The Philippines W/ JL, PR, And NW WBC (http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/81176/)
it looked like a very nice flight ;], ill be in narita in a few weeks =]

But there is something missing in the American planes that are present in European-made planes. Basta, parang medyo classy or savvy ang Airbus. I dunno.

Put that in the Philippine context, kung sasakay ka ng Airbus parang may pakiramdam ka na bago samantala kong Boeing 737, medyo luma na.

By the way, wala bang balak ang AirPhil mag-upgrade ng fleet nila? Sa 3 major carriers, mukhang sila ang napag-lumaan...just my opinion lamang.

^^The Boeing 737s of PAL and Air Philippines are really old. The new generation 737s have a redesigned cabin. Even the 747-400 ER now has a cabin that looks like the 777's, which makes it look more spacious. :)

Very nice report, Skyblade. The pictures is my most favorite part of your reports. Thanks :D

SONA na on monday... will Arroyo announce the opening of NAIA3? I'm excited on this SONA.

^^ All of these years of excitement, hope, and disappointment...please let it end soon... :cry:

^so, youre a student in sapporo but lives in palmsdale?
btw, thanks for sharing your experience heading home and going to tokyo again

But I like Airbus more than Boeing.

Me too!!!

so opening na talaga t3 soon???...i'll see for myself in two weeks time!!sasa nga good news na!

Hey, Skyblade... "Good Luck" is being showned again in Philippine TV via Channel 11... sister Ch. of GMA 7.

^^ All of these years of excitement, hope, and disappointment...please let it end soon... :cry:

PAL celebrates 60 years
of crossing the Pacific

Nearly 60 years ago, on July 31, 1946, a Philippine Airlines-chartered Douglas DC-4 Skymaster, carrying a full load of 40 American servicemen, took off from Nielson Airport in Makati bound for California. The epic journey took 41 hours with four stops Guam, a Wake, Johnston and Honolulu before reaching Oakland. The flight was a major aviation milestone and earned for PAL the distinction of becoming the first Asian airline to cross the Pacific Ocean.

The DC-4 (top) was the workhorse of PAL’s Pacific service in the 1940’s. The propeller-driven aircraft weighed 32, 850 kgs, accommodated 40 passengers and was powered by four 1, 450–hp engines that allowed it to cruise the skies at a stately 322 kph.

Today, the transpacific route is served by the flag carrier’s top-of-the-line aircraft, the Boeing 747-400 (bottom). The 400,000-pound "jumbo" jet is powered by four engines with a thrust rating of 57, 000 lbs each, enabling it to whisk 433 passengers in comfort across the Pacific at nearly the speed of sound. The B747-400 flies the 7, 3000-mile distance in under 13 hours.

PAL is marking the 60th anniversary of the milestone with commemorative activities in Manila and San Francisco.

China Southern to fly from Manila to Guangzhou thrice weekly. Inaugural flight on July 29

^^I read an article somewhere that China Southern will use A319s.

Good news! :okay:

But I like Airbus more than Boeing.

Too bad for Airbus... first they designed and built the A380 then and it didn't get them as much sales as they expected, thus they had to copy Boeing's design. So much for German and French superiority.

I hope that the Middle Eastern airlines like Emirates and Qatar Airways would just drop their orders for A350's and go for the dreamliners. Besides, Airbus aircraft do not age well and are not safe to fly in when they get beyond 10 years old. Boeing's, on the other hand (and DC9's) just keep on flying, and flying, and flying...

hmmm SQ just ordered a lot of A350XW adn A 380's looks like it's moving well to me now, lets see how it goes in the future.

Still waiting for the PR order, here's a blurb from Pal, as expected they are doing much better and their rehab lifting is just a matter of time not IF. One interesting scenario could be that their decision is going to be based on how the suppliers percieve their announced 1st quarter year to year (apparently it's their fiscal year) financials. That could include the eventual early lifting of their rehab status and US EXim can come back to the table. In any case let's see.

PAL sees public offering in the horizon
Needs to post profit in '07 to meet PSE rule
By Elizabeth L. Sanchez
Inquirer
Last updated 03:15am (Mla time) 07/24/2006

Published on page B1 of the July 24, 2006 issue of the Philippine Daily Inquirer

FLAG CARRIER Philippine Airlines (PAL) may consider an initial public offering (IPO) in 2008 should it record profits in 2007, PAL president and chief operating officer Jaime Bautista said Friday.

He said proceeds from a possible IPO may be used to trim down the company's debts or fund future expansion.

Since its corporate rehabilitation was filed before the Securities and Exchange Commission in 1999, PAL has cut its total debt to $1.1 billion from $2.3 billion.

Bautista said PAL registered profits for the the second straight year (for its fiscal year ending March 2006) and hoped to comply with the stock exchange's three-year minimum profitability requirement by 2008 for those firms who want to brave the stock market.

However, Bautista declined to disclose financial figures. PAL is set to report its profit performance for its fiscal year ending March 31 before the end of this month.

Bautista said resilient passenger load and efficiency of operations fueled revenues for the company.

PAL reported net operating revenues for the quarter ending December 2005 of $250.8 million, 11 percent higher than the $226.3 million posted a year ago. This was traced to passenger revenue growth of 12 percent to $210.8 million from $187.9 million in the same quarter in 2004.

Bautista, however, said its profit projections would be affected by the increase in fuel prices following surging crude oil costs abroad.

"Under our original projection in 1999, we should be profitable this year. We are collecting a fuel surcharge but considering that fares will affect the appetite of passengers that travel, we cannot just increase fares so we are absorbing a portion of the increase because we cannot collect everything from the passengers," Bautista said.

Too bad for Airbus... first they designed and built the A380 then and it didn't get them as much sales as they expected, thus they had to copy Boeing's design. So much for German and French superiority.

I hope that the Middle Eastern airlines like Emirates and Qatar Airways would just drop their orders for A350's and go for the dreamliners. Besides, Airbus aircraft do not age well and are not safe to fly in when they get beyond 10 years old. Boeing's, on the other hand (and DC9's) just keep on flying, and flying, and flying...

First off, Airbus isn't that old. Hence their planes aren't that old. Airbus aircraft over ten years are fine. There aren't as many of them flying as passenger aircraft, as most of them have been converted to cargo (A300 & A310 models) but they're generally fine.

Second off, the DC9, while being a reliable airplane, has a worse safety record than airbus planes. I'm not dissing it, because it usually isn't the planes' fault when a plane crash occurs.

Third off, what have you got against the A350? What has it done to you?

On the commercial note, to have airbus go away like you wish isn't very wise, as it'll give Boeing a monopoly on widebodies, and no airline wants that. Besides, Airbus and Boeing rarely make products that directly compete with one another on the widebody segment. The A332, A333, A342, and A343 are all smaller than the 772A and 772ER. The A300 and A310 were never the same size as the 762 and 763 (or even the 764) The exception of course, is the A346 and B773ER, where the A346 became the inferior airplane when oil prices shot up. Both manufacturers, while they do compete, are able to offer a range of products that will tailor-fit an airline's operations. There are so many airlines that operate the 777 and A330 family side by side.

On the safety note, Airbus planes are no less safe than Boeings, no matter what the age. There are so many things that could go wrong in a flight for a plane to crash, and Airbus and Boeing are equally affected by these chances. Airbus and Boeing make steady, safe planes. If airbus was really that unsafe, then airlines would've stopped buying their planes a long time ago. Airlines do not compromise safety, and those that do don't deserve to fly. Dinho, I strongly suggest that you revise your views on aircraft safety, as if you try to air those opinions on Airliners.net, or any other aviation forum, you will get shot down by the forumers there, even the pro-Boeing ones, and they're far more impolite than me.

i dont care if PAL goes Boeing or Airbus...as long as its A346 or B773 & soon...

btw on a sidenote...what i like on airbuses Particularly on A330/340s is its much quieter flying on them than (say boeing 744s & even 767s)

Is this will the second flight of CZ, the existing one is xiamen-manila.

China Southern to fly from Manila to Guangzhou thrice weekly. Inaugural flight on July 29

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SONA came and Arroyo didn't mention anything about the opening T3, too bad... but she has many plans of buiding many airports around the country.

off-topic...just want to know (from anyone of you) if crosswind-landings are to be considered normal or safe? :)

here are two video-documented incidents:

http://www.youtube.com/v/Id4jeEfhBiE
http://www.youtube.com/v/fv_QYd2CRkg

I don't think it's always safe but it's, most of the time, necessary.

CX pilots should be very good at crosswind landings since Kai Tak used to be a CX hub.

Here's another crosswind landing at Kai Tak.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1w4KEnkWIg


:lock:

PAL because it the main carrier of the country. Big and class terminal. also a very nice lounge!

PAL of course. Ever since i was kid, me and my family always take PAL to go to Manila.

I don't think it's always safe but it's, most of the time, necessary.

CX pilots should be very good at crosswind landings since Kai Tak used to be a CX hub.

Here's another crosswind landing at Kai Tak.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1w4KEnkWIg


:lock:

Could anyone explain the phenomena of crosswind? Its scary at ang hirap ng maneuvers. What is it in the old HKG airport?

taken from philstar.com.. he has a point..

Ate Glue’s SONA forgot Manila Domestic Airport
DEMAND AND SUPPLY By Boo Chanco
The Philippine Star 07/26/2006

The new international standard airport in Iloilo is supposed to be ready for business sometime next year. If that happens, it would be a lot more decent than the Manila Domestic Terminal, which I can only presume, will still continue to torment millions of travelers that are doomed to use it. They are collecting P800 million in terminal fees at Manila Domestic every year and my question is, WHERE IS ALL THAT MONEY GOING?

It was my first time to use the Manila Domestic Terminal since last Christmas and I am unhappy to report that it is still overcrowded (as in Standing Room Only), oppressively warm (as a sauna room) and as badly managed as it has ever been. The only "improvement" was a badly produced bulletin board that features the supposed goals of Ate Glue’s administration. A clean, comfortable and modern airport is apparently not one of them.

The line for the ladies’ restroom was as usual, long. It took my wife 20 minutes for her turn to get her business done. One hates to think what happens if a woman happens to have a real and absolutely urgent emergency that Lomotil failed to arrest, given that long line. And you can imagine what happens to sanitation when you have that great number of users. The men’s restroom was a typical restroom in a third world town, with its aromatic aroma, if you know what I mean.

This is not an airport terminal, as the civilized world understands it. This is more like an absolutely pedestrian bus station in Pasay or Cubao… the only things missing are the live chickens and piglets. And this will only get worse. Cebu Pacific is scheduled to receive delivery of four more large Airbus jets in the next few months. Given how the Gokongwei airline is functioning like those budget airlines, they are packing those planes full. No wonder there’s pandemonium out there… There are just too many people using the terminal now than it can handle.

The worst part of the Manila Domestic experience was returning home in pouring rain last Sunday evening. With the tarmac flooded to at least ankle deep, there is no way you can escape being drenched from head to foot between the airplane and the terminal building. What major country in the world today still treats airline passengers in this uncivilized manner? Yet, this is the gateway to the country’s top tourist destinations like Boracay, supposedly a priority of Ate Glue.

The investments the Gokongweis made on those brand new Airbus planes should have been contributing to bringing Philippine domestic air transportation to accepted international standards. Instead, sayang lang because our inept government is unable to put the right infrastructure to match private sector investments in tourism, a supposed priority sector. How difficult is it to put up a decent terminal building, even if temporary, considering that they are collecting P800 million a year from domestic airport users (P200 per passenger x four million passengers).

Yet, there is Ate Glue who kept on talking during her SONA about how she plans to modernize one airport after another in far away places all over the country… from Bagabag to Balabac. Her credibility is severely tested by this failure to take care of the Manila Domestic Airport, the most important of all airports.

And let us not use lack of funds as an excuse for this continuing failure. Airport passengers are presumably paying for something when they pay their terminal fees. I also understand those fees are exempted from the usual government audits… treated as "corporate funds"… meaning the NAIA administration can use it as it pleases… parang Pagcor!

Let us also not say part of it goes to the general fund. If it is the case, then the practice should be changed. The terminal fee is not a tax but a payment for a service. The fact that passengers get no benefit from it only means the NAIA administration is the biggest legalized racket in this country, an organized crime, in a manner of speaking. They are getting our money and not giving us our money’s worth of service… that’s official extortion.

Give us no more excuses. WE NEED A MODERN AIRPORT TERMINAL, NOT A THIRD WORLD BUS STATION NOW, NOT SONA OR LATER. Or maybe we need a Congressional investigation to find out where our money is going.

I agree, DVO and Cebu Airports are better than MDA. It's a shame. We should stop using it.. A dull airport terminal in the capital? Westbound Bus terminal in Cagayan de Oro looks better that MDA..imo..
We have the facility like Naia2, why don't they house all domestic flights in its Domestic wing, together with PAL and Airphil's domestic flights. Why should we sort Lucio Tan's companies from the rest w/c causes inconvinience. After all, that naia2 is supposed to be our Domestic terminal...

^ T3 must be open first before doing that... T2 is really for domestic flights only until the building of T3, gov't must urge the opening of T3 ASAP!

my mom went to cebu again and delayed naman ang flight nya sa cebu pacific!!! lagi bang delayed ang cebu pacific??!

^ T3 must be open first before doing that... T2 is really for domestic flights only until the building of T3, gov't must urge the opening of T3 ASAP!

Why wait for the opening of T3? when t2 could accomodate all domestic flights. Why prioritize Tan's interest? Using the currect domestic terminal for our capital is a shame.. to compare it again to bus terminals, Baguio's Victory liner terminal is way better. Interiors and exteriors wise...

my mom went to cebu again and delayed naman ang flight nya sa cebu pacific!!! lagi bang delayed ang cebu pacific??!

The New Filipino Time, hehe!

Depende na siguro sa air traffic sa Manila. Medyo congested. Minsan nga ang haba ng pila ng mga pa-take-off which usually lasts for 15minutes pa.

Wala bang balak na i-renovate man lang ang Terminal1 Domestic? Kasi dito ang may pinakamalaking porsyento ng papuntang "Paradise Islands" ng mga turista like Boracay and Palawan. Nakaka-turn off! Sana naman kung di man sa Terminal 2, ayusin naman nila ang Domestic Airport!

Davao and Cebu is way much better than T1 (Domestic).

By the way, why is there a monopoly over Terminal 2?

Sana naman kung di man sa Terminal 2, ayusin naman nila ang Domestic Airport!

there's no room for improvement na.

The New Filipino Time, hehe!

Depende na siguro sa air traffic sa Manila. Medyo congested. Minsan nga ang haba ng pila ng mga pa-take-off which usually lasts for 15minutes pa.

Wala bang balak na i-renovate man lang ang Terminal1 Domestic? Kasi dito ang may pinakamalaking porsyento ng papuntang "Paradise Islands" ng mga turista like Boracay and Palawan. Nakaka-turn off! Sana naman kung di man sa Terminal 2, ayusin naman nila ang Domestic Airport!

Davao and Cebu is way much better than T1 (Domestic).

By the way, why is there a monopoly over Terminal 2?
Tan commissioned MIAA, they had an agreement something something.

Depende na siguro sa air traffic sa Manila. Medyo congested. Minsan nga ang haba ng pila ng mga pa-take-off which usually lasts for 15minutes pa.


Speaking of traffic, does anyone know if runway 13/31's renovation done yet? According to the article JAMAICUS posted in the NAIA T3 thread, it should be done by July 17.

There was no Monopoly regarding Terminal 2. My understanding when it opened was that NONE of the domestic airlines were interested in using terminal 2 saying it was expensive and their small aircraft couldn't accomidate Terminal 2's jetways.. or something like that

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lets continue here :)

wow... just saw the add of Jetstar expansion from Australia to Asia...promo fares starts at $169 one way...from Australia..to Indonesia, Thailand, Vietnam & Japan..then into N. America & Europe within 2-4 years....good news for frequent flyers.....thought they are low cost i would assume they would improve services specially for long haul & trans-continental flights.

but they would be using A320's only???cant be...but Qantas has indicated Jetstar will use A333's on these route

and atleast the 10 787 by atleast 2008 for long hauls,.currently they operate 23 A320s

Destinations served are:

Asia
Indonesia
Bali (Ngurah Rai International Airport) Starting Nov 2006
Japan
Osaka (Kansai International Airport) Starting Nov 2006
Thailand
Bangkok (Bangkok International Airport) Starting Nov 2006
Phuket (Phuket International Airport) Starting Nov 2006
Vietnam
Ho Chi Minh City (Tan Son Nhat International Airport) Starting November 2006

North America
United States of America
Honolulu (Honolulu International Airport) Starting Nov 2006

^^jetstar asia , their lcc based in Singapore is almost bankrupt. Am not sure what they're strategy is for jetstar is too.

^what part of north america?
and does't include the fuel and tax

PGMA's pronouncement gives hope to airport project
By: Joey A. Gabieta



TACLOBAN CITY – With a presidential pronouncement as basis, Leyte Vice Governor Mimietta Bagulaya and City Mayor Alfredo “Bejo” Romualdez expressed high hope that the much delayed rehabilitation works of the Daniel Z. Romualdez (DZR) Airport would commence soon.

Both local officials said that the development of the region's premier airport would help spur economic development not only in this city but even the entire Eastern Visayas.

In her state of the nation address, President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, through a power point presentation, announced that the DZR Airport, together with the air[ort located in Guiuan, eastern Samar, would be further developed and expanded to accommodate the expected increase of passengers traffic in the years to come.

The projected increase in the volume of passengers coming to the region is due to the expected “spill over” of tourists and even investors due to the “super regions” plan of the national government.

Eastern Visayas, together with Western Visayas, Central Visayas, Bicol and the Mimaropa regions, were clustered together as tourists' haven under the “Central Philippines Super Regions” program.

Both Vice Governor Bagulaya and Mayor Romualdez said that the importance of the DZR Airport towards development could not be discounted as the airport serves as the entry and exit points, using the air route, to the rest of the regions.

“The DZR Airport will indeed play a very crucial role towards our goal in attaining economic development,” Bagulaya said in a telephone interview with Leyte Samar Daily Express.

“I just hope that this will be realized,” the Leyte Vice Governor, who was then the city's vice mayor when the DZR Airport modernization and rehabilitation plan was first planned, said.

Mayor Romualdez said that he was happy when he heard from the President herself that the development and modernization of the airport named after his uncle would finally materialize.

“Of course, I am happy with this development...that the project will continue. But I just hope that now that she made this (pronouncement), the national government will find the necessary counterpart so that the project could start,” the city mayor said.

Romualdez said that the city government has already done its part in so far as relocating over 200 families located in areas that would be affected by the airport project.

The development and the modernization of the DZR Airport has been in the pipeline for almost 10 years now but for some reasons, the project was temporarily shelved as the national government channelled the amount P600 million to the development of the Iloilo Airport.

The total cost of the rehabilitation and modernization of the airport is about P3.1 billion.

Meantime, Vice Gov. Bagulaya told Express that now that the President has made the commitment, she is hoping that both the provincial and city governments would “cooperate” with each other so that the project would commence smoothly.

The Vice Governor was alluding to the frosty relations between the two local government units which more often than not, affects the implementation of some projects.

“We cannot deny the fact that no matter how hard, we, at the provincial government does towards development, if the city government will not extend its cooperation, any (development) plans could not be realized,” Bagulaya said.

Is it possible for Filipinos to build and operate their "own" private airports? Or is it only the government that is allowed to operate one?

With regard to commercial airports, is it also possible for rich businessmen to build "private" international airports? Or again, is it only the government that is allowed to operate such?

Just wanted to share some shots I took from the biennial Farnborough International Airshow (alternating with the Paris Airshow) in the UK on 22 July 2006.

Enjoy!

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wow looks gigantic

taken from philstar.com.. i hope they offer more international flights soon... and that they do something about the state of the old domestic airport.. it would do wonders to their image..

Cebu Pacific starts flights using all-new Airbus fleet
By Mary Ann Ll. Reyes
The Philippine Star 07/27/2006

Cebu Pacific Air (CEB) will start flights on an all-new Airbus fleet beginning today, July 27, making it the youngest fleet in the country and one of the youngest in Asia with a fleet age of less than seven months.

CEB’s all-Airbus fleet will be marked by the maiden flights of its Airbus A319 to Zamboanga and Butuan today.

The new Airbus fleet replaces the DC9 planes that served CEB for the last 10 years. The historic last flight of the airline’s DC9 aircraft was held yesterday with its 5J569 / 570 Manila-Cebu-Manila flight. The airline gave a ceremonial retirement to its DC9 fleet as the plane made its way to the domestic airport.

Lance Gokongwei, CEB president and CEO, said that the airline’s $670-million re-fleeting program is almost complete. "We have taken delivery of 10 brand-new Airbus aircraft and we await the delivery of four more until February 2007. As we continue to take delivery of our new and bigger planes, we are carrying on with our expansion program," he said.

"CEB has always been committed to serve the Filipinos. Our vision is to make it possible for everyone to fly by offering the lowest fares to wherever Cebu Pacific operates. And now with our brand-new and bigger Airbus planes, we will be able to offer more seats at lower fares to the public," Gokongwei added.

The Airbus A319s and A320s, which have larger seating capacity, feature the most modern design, the widest and most comfortable cabin, and the highest degree of operational efficiency of any single-aisle aircraft.

The airline currently services 17 domestic destinations and also flies to Hong Kong and Seoul, South Korea. It is also set to start its Manila-Legaspi service on Aug. 17 and Manila-Singapore on Aug. 31, 2006.

Now in its 11th year, CEB pioneered low fares in the country in March 1996. It also introduced travelers to on-time service, e-ticketing and on-line booking, setting the standards for airline innovation in the local aviation industry.

Looks huge! Hope we get some but I think the pix at the bottom are what PR will end up with , just a guess, ok lang I like the plane anyway. Well maybe PR will surprise us in the end and get 747 800 i's hehe

Parang di ako makapaniwalang lumilipad yan!
Dambuhalang salimpawpaw na balyena sa kalangitan!

Magkasya kaya yan sa NAIA?

Just look at those engines! Thanks for the photos, ponso.

I would really be surprised, bustero. Wouldn't it be cool if PAL becomes the launch customer of the passenger B747-8?

^^ oo nga engines pa lng, wala ng tatalo!!!

O.T.
@ paul (auen),ang galing mo sa confe last tues... :D

^^Thanks, Stef :). Kailan naman yung iyo? Hehe, invite nyo ako kapag ikaw na ha? :D

Anyway, i found a video of the A380 landing at the Farnborough Airshow.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOB0Mcq4-Ns

^galing auen :)
pinanood ko rin yung mga ibang footage
kakatakot nung papalipad palang parang nde makakalipad

sana bilhin ni gokongwei para sa cebupacific nya, di ba balak daw nila mag north america

Cebu Pacific starts flying
all-new Airbus fleet

THE country’s second flag carrier beats the Lucio Tan-controlled airline in flying an all-new fleet.

On Wednesday, Cebu Pacific Air, the airline unit of the Gokongwei group, announced that its $670-million refleeting program is almost complete. On Friday, it would start flying an all-new Airbus fleet with the maiden flights of its Airbus A319 to Zamboanga and Butuan.

The new Airbus fleet replaces the DC9 planes that served Cebu Pacific for the last 10 years. The historic last flight of the airline’s DC9 aircraft was held Wednesday with its 5J569/570 Manila-Cebu-Manila flight.

“Cebu Pacific has always been committed to serve Filipinos. Our vision is to make it possible for everyone to fly by offering the lowest fares to wherever Cebu Pacific operates,” said Lance Gokongwei, president of Cebu Pacific.

“And now with our brand-new and bigger Airbus planes, we will be able to offer more seats at lower fares to the public.”

Cebu Pacific, added Gokongwei, has taken delivery of 10 brand-new Airbus aircraft and awaits the delivery of four more until February 2007. “As we continue to take delivery of our new and bigger planes, we are carrying on with our expansion program,” said Gokongwei.

The Airbus A319s and A320s, which have a larger seating capacity, features the most modern design, the widest cabin, and the highest degree of operational efficiency of any single-aisle aircraft.

The airline currently services 17 domestic destinations and also flies to Hong Kong and Seoul, South Korea. It is also set to start its Manila-Legaspi service on August 17 and Manila-Singapore on August 31.---L. Lectura

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http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/front07.php

good news for cebu pacific! cant wait till they get bigger planes!

What are they doing with the DC9s? Has any airline bought them yet or were they just leased?

some of the DC9's were already scrapped :(

Not to be party pooper, but the seating arrangement of the new Cebu Pacific Airbuses is quite cramped. I'm only 5'8 but I think I only had an inch of legroom left when I was seated inside compared to the old DC-9s that had at least 3 inches of legroom when you're seated. I guess that's why they have the highest operational efficiency around as their spind doctors say, more passengers per plane :)

wow....i've been waiting for that fo the last 3 years...a cebu pacific operated flights Manila-Legaspi...i wonder how much....i know PAL is like 6k return

Not to be party pooper, but the seating arrangement of the new Cebu Pacific Airbuses is quite cramped. I'm only 5'8 but I think I only had an inch of legroom left when I was seated inside compared to the old DC-9s that had at least 3 inches of legroom when you're seated. I guess that's why they have the highest operational efficiency around as their spind doctors say, more passengers per plane :)

Its a good thing that 5J serves domestic.

By the way, are there plans to expand to General Santos City ang CebPac? Kasi monopolized pa hanggang ngayon ng PAL ang ruta, kaya ang mahal ng pamasahe. Wala pang promo papuntang GES unlike neighboring DVO or kahit na ang CBO.

About Cebu Pacific flying to GenSan, I don't think that would ever materialized...They have been planning to start operations in GenSan since 1996 but after 10 years still no signs of Cebu Pacific in GenSan, they might not be that interested in the area... That's why PAL is very profitable in GenSan.. Cebu Pacific already opened flights to all major points in the Philippines except GenSan... But at least PAL is flying its B744, A343 and A330 to GenSan...

^^Philippine Airlines is enjoying their Gen San route then if they use their wide bodies.

some of the DC9's were already scrapped
That's sad. Well, many people will surely miss the colorful paint schemes of the DC9s.

RP to upgrade navigation system next year
http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2006/july/28/yehey/business/20060728bus8.html

THE Philippines will start replacing its aging navigation systems by early next year, the Air Transportation Office (ATO) said.

In a telephone interview, ATO Chief Nilo Jatico told The Manila Times that they will start upgrading the old navigation system “hopefully by early next year.”

The Department of Transportation and Communications (DOTC) is bidding out the consultancy and design of the communication, navigation and surveillance/air traffic management (CNS/ATM) systems, he added.

CNS/ATM is a satellite-based technology designed to effectively and efficiently control and manage the air traffic within the Manila Flight Information Region (FIR).

The upgrade could cost around P10.869 billion, of which, P9.586 will be sourced from Japan Bank for International Cooperation (JBIC) through loans and the remaining P1.28 billion would be the government’s counterpart fund.

The loan was under the 25th yen loan package, with 2.2-percent annual interest and a repayment period of 20 years with a grace period of 10 years.

The DOTC earlier disclosed three bidding participants, which include Japan Airport Consultants Inc., Katahira and Engineers International of Japan, Azusa Sekkei Co. Ltd. and Aviation Systems Consultants Co. Ltd.

“We hope to award the consultancy by next month,” Jatico said.

ATO said the new CNS/ATM systems will consolidate regional air traffic control facilities for easier connection with aircraft, adjacent ATM facilities and airline flight operation centers.

The project covers the establishment of priority elements of the new satellite-based CNS/ATM systems at selected airports and sites.

The system will be set up from 2007 to 2011 at the country’s international airports such as the Ninoy Aquino International Airport, Mactan-Cebu Airport, Diosdado Macapagal International Airport, Subic International Airport, Laoag International Airport, Zamboanga International Airport, General Santos International Airport and Davao International Airport.

The CNS-ATM will be also installed at the trunkline and secondary airports like Bacolod, Baguio, Cagayan de Oro, Cotabato, Dumagute, Iloilo, Legaspi, Puerto Princesa, Roxas, San Jose, Tacloban, Butuan, Kalibo, Plaridel and San Fernando
--Darwin G. Amojelar

CEBU Pacific on Wednesday announced that it will fly a brand new $60-million Airbus A319 to Zamboanga City in the southern Philippines as part of a two-year re-fleeting program.

Charles Lim, Cebu Pacific's consultant for Corporate Communications, said the 150-seater aircraft will service the Manila-Zamboanga route daily and consequently the Zamboanga-Cebu route also beginning Thursday.

"We are proud to announce that this will be the first time Cebu Pacific will fly its brand new Airbus A319 to Zamboanga City. We will help promote tourism in this beautiful region," Lim said at a news conference here.

Cebu Pacific earlier opened its maiden flight from Manila to Dipolog City in Zamboanga del Norte province known for its pristine beaches and historic places. The three times weekly flight also use an Airbus A319.

Candice Iyog, Cebu Pacific marketing director, said: "The maiden flight to Zamboanga City is a historic event because it marks the start of its all Airbus fleet. "We are committed to the country's tourism agenda."

She said Cebu Pacific has the youngest fleet in the Philippines and one of the youngest also in Asia with a fleer age of less than 7 months. The airline currently operates 10 brand new Airbus aircrafts and awaits the delivery of four more until February next year to complete its two-year re-fleeting program.

Cebu Pacific's expansion, she said, is also underway and recently launched 2 new destinations, Laoag in Ilocos province in northern Philippines and Dipolog City in the south and will also start flying to Legaspi in the Bicol region on August 17 and Singapore on August 31.

It also has air services in the Visayas in central Philippines -- Bacolod, Cebu, Dumaguete, Iloilo, Kalibo, Puerto Princesa, Roxas, Tacloban and Tagbilaran and in Mindanao -- Butuan, Cagayan de Oro, Cotabato, and Davao.

The 11-year-old airline also flies to Hong Kong and Seoul in South Korea. It also introduced travelers to on-time service, e-ticketing, and on-line booking, setting the standards for airline innovation in the local aviation industry.

RP to upgrade navigation system next year

tataas na naman ang terminal fee nito pero its better than never magkano na ba $10+, magkano na rin ba ang terminal fee ng domestic, hindi ko matandaan kung pareho sya ng international e

anyway i posted this before but since im erasing some of the stuff ive collected in my photobucket, i feel like sharing these again :) they were taken in Naia

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last flight Mar 26, 2004 :(
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^this one im using for sept hehehe i think the bigger version though coming from here
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^^^ too bad swiss doesnt fly to manila anymore ='(

Philippine Airlines eyes more US routes
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryId=45312

Flag carrier Philippine Airlines (PAL) is planning to add two more routes in the United States within the next six to 12 months, the airline's top executive said Monday.

Jaime Bautista, PAL president and chief executive officer, said they are planning to make flights to San Diego, California and Seattle, Washington.

"The San Diego flight will be either through Vancouver (Canada) while the Seattle flight will be directly from Manila. These are just studies at this point," he said. "If the figures on this plan are revealed to be very positive, we can see this happening in the next six months or one year. But this still requires a very extensive study."

PAL flies to five US destinations at present, including Los Angeles, Las Vegas (via Vancouver), San Francisco, Guam and Honolulu.

Last year, PAL started flying directly to Beijing, China three times a week. China is one of the important markets of PAL, having flights to Xiamen and Shanghai.

PAL flies to 18 domestic and 25 international points. Aside from the Chinese cities, PAL also serves the US, Japan, Hong Kong, Korea and Middle East routes.

Bautista also said that PAL hopes it can exit its current rehabilitation program even before program ends on 2009 following the airline's re-fleeting program. PAL was put under a 10-year rehabilitation program in 1999.

"We're still discussing that with the creditors, but if we continue to be profitable? Let's see," he said.

Over the last six years, PAL has paid off $1 billion in debts, reducing its debts outstanding to around $1.1 billion from $2.2 billion.

PAL is currently working on the funding program for its re-fleeting, as the company holds discussions primarily with export credit agencies from United Kingdom, Germany and France.

Last December, PAL placed a firm order for nine Airbus A320s plus an option to buy five more for $840 million as part of its long term fleet organization plan. The airline will also be leasing two new A320s and two new A319s from GE Capital Aviation Services.

Deliveries of the new fleet of A320s will commence during the second half of 2006 until 2012.

PAL currently operates nine A320s on its domestic network, eight A330s on regional service across Asia and four A340-300s on long range routes to the US.

The group of tycoon Lucio Tan controls 89 percent of PAL, while the government holds a 4.26-percent stake. PAL employees and other small investors hold the remaining stake in the airline.

thats very good news! why dont they start servicing the east side of the u.s? ive heard there are alot of filipinos concentrated in new york and new jersey... hmm...

Yeah, strange they're thingking about SAN. As long as they end up being profitable, then no problem. Although one would assume that cities like NYC ad CHI have a bigger Phil population, no?

It's good to see PAL expanding again. I hope they can hold on to the good performance they've been doing...

It's funny how the new routes they are considering are only an hour drive or two from their other routes, like San Diego from LAX and Sea-Tac from YVR. But it's not really a bad thing since it will be a lot more convenient for people going to San Diego and Seattle if they fly directly. Besides, I'm not going to want to cross the Canadian border just to pick up someone. :lol:

Good news! :okay:

^this one im using for sept hehehe i think the bigger version though coming from here
I thought you were referring to the Cebu Pacific 757. I know you've always wanted Cebu Pacific to fly to Chicago. Thanks for reposting the pictures, Tigs. :)

RP to upgrade navigation system next year
http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2006/july/28/yehey/business/20060728bus8.html

THE Philippines will start replacing its aging navigation systems by early next year, the Air Transportation Office (ATO) said.

In a telephone interview, ATO Chief Nilo Jatico told The Manila Times that they will start upgrading the old navigation system “hopefully by early next year.”

The Department of Transportation and Communications (DOTC) is bidding out the consultancy and design of the communication, navigation and surveillance/air traffic management (CNS/ATM) systems, he added.

CNS/ATM is a satellite-based technology designed to effectively and efficiently control and manage the air traffic within the Manila Flight Information Region (FIR).

The upgrade could cost around P10.869 billion, of which, P9.586 will be sourced from Japan Bank for International Cooperation (JBIC) through loans and the remaining P1.28 billion would be the government’s counterpart fund.

The loan was under the 25th yen loan package, with 2.2-percent annual interest and a repayment period of 20 years with a grace period of 10 years.

The DOTC earlier disclosed three bidding participants, which include Japan Airport Consultants Inc., Katahira and Engineers International of Japan, Azusa Sekkei Co. Ltd. and Aviation Systems Consultants Co. Ltd.

“We hope to award the consultancy by next month,” Jatico said.

ATO said the new CNS/ATM systems will consolidate regional air traffic control facilities for easier connection with aircraft, adjacent ATM facilities and airline flight operation centers.

The project covers the establishment of priority elements of the new satellite-based CNS/ATM systems at selected airports and sites.

The system will be set up from 2007 to 2011 at the country’s international airports such as the Ninoy Aquino International Airport, Mactan-Cebu Airport, Diosdado Macapagal International Airport, Subic International Airport, Laoag International Airport, Zamboanga International Airport, General Santos International Airport and Davao International Airport.

The CNS-ATM will be also installed at the trunkline and secondary airports like Bacolod, Baguio, Cagayan de Oro, Cotabato, Dumagute, Iloilo, Legaspi, Puerto Princesa, Roxas, San Jose, Tacloban, Butuan, Kalibo, Plaridel and San Fernando
--Darwin G. Amojelar

Why do the government have to spend money in upgrading the navigation systems in the airports in the country that has a very mininaml use like the General Santos Airport? With only two flights per day, I guess there's no need for that airport to be upgraded... The government must focus on upgrading the small airports in the country that caters to more flights...

Yeah, strange they're thingking about SAN. As long as they end up being profitable, then no problem. Although one would assume that cities like NYC ad CHI have a bigger Phil population, no?

It's good to see PAL expanding again. I hope they can hold on to the good performance they've been doing...
yehs they should start servicing chicago too... especially the new york area... i hope pal returns to europe!

Yeah, strange they're thingking about SAN. As long as they end up being profitable, then no problem. Although one would assume that cities like NYC ad CHI have a bigger Phil population, no?

It's good to see PAL expanding again. I hope they can hold on to the good performance they've been doing...

Actually, SAN has a larger Filipino population than Chicago or New York combined. The areas with large Filipino populations are California and Texas.

thats very good news! why dont they start servicing the east side of the u.s? ive heard there are alot of filipinos concentrated in new york and new jersey... hmm...

The market is probably there but then PAL would have hard time offering direct flights to/from Chicago, NJ or NY area. First of, The current fleets of B747-400 and A330/340 can only fly up to 12 to 14 hours max and when the total flying hours from Manila to Newark, NJ or JFK would take 16 to 18 hours. The only aircraft right now that holds the longest flying haul with no refueling stop record are the B777ER and the Dreamliner 7E7 (which is not yet out in the market). Secondly, if PAL would extend it's service to Chicago like it used to, it has to have a lay-over in Vancouver, Ca or US West coast, there wouldn't be enough passengers to carry over the east coast since PAL will compete with all US air carriers. I'd like to think that PAL may also be facing problems with staffing, as far pilots and flight attendants is concerned. I think they are only allowed to operate cetain hours per FAA mandate for safety reasons, so, that means PAL will have to hire a US based groundworkers, FA and pilots. LAX to NY would take another 4 to 5 hours which is too hard on the pilots and FA if the origin of their destinations is from asia such as MLA.

About Cebu Pacific flying to GenSan, I don't think that would ever materialized...They have been planning to start operations in GenSan since 1996 but after 10 years still no signs of Cebu Pacific in GenSan, they might not be that interested in the area... That's why PAL is very profitable in GenSan.. Cebu Pacific already opened flights to all major points in the Philippines except GenSan... But at least PAL is flying its B744, A343 and A330 to GenSan...

Yun nga e, monopoly over Gensan ang nangyari. Ang mahal kasi. Wala tuloy akong choice but to take the 3 hour ride to Gensan from Davao.

Hayyy!!! Ang AirPhil my stop pa sa Cebu.

Actually, SAN has a larger Filipino population than Chicago or New York combined. The areas with large Filipino populations are California and Texas.
i thought its hawaii and not texas, and whered u get the idea that San has a larger population of Pnoy than chicago and New York combined. as far as i know, san diego is very small consider its only maybe a quarter size of chicago let alone new york

i thought its hawaii and not texas, and whered u get the idea that San has a larger population of Pnoy than chicago and New York combined. as far as i know, san diego is very small consider its only maybe a quarter size of chicago let alone new york

yep, hawaii, sorry about that. I read somewhere that texas had a large filipino population, I can't remember where.

Anyways, here's a map: http://130.166.124.2/atlas.us1/US0053.GIF

As you can see, San Diego has a lot of flips. Well, at least I hope that huge red dot below LA is San Diego.

Either way, San Diego isn't that small, and it has little or no international service. PAL would have very little competition on that route.

US Navy is big in San Diego, Filipinos are very big in the US navy, Get the Pix, It's the same reason why Newport VA has a big population of Flips.

i agree, a manila-san diego route would be very lucrative for PAL. first of all, they won't have competition over there and san diego has a very large filipino population. i stayed there for four months when we moved to the US and san diego felt like pinas. i'll see pinoys everywhere and red ribbon and jollibee was just around the corner. while PAL flights to the east coast may seem really nice, it would be very hard to maintain because, as dieseljock said, offering direct flights would be hard and lay overs would be needed. kung magstop-over sila somewhere in the US or Canada, competition would be very tough considering the amount of US carriers available. maybe if they form like a code-sharing agreement with a US carrier dun mangyari ang flights ng PAL to the east coast.

The market is probably there but then PAL would have hard time offering direct flights to/from Chicago, NJ or NY area. First of, The current fleets of B747-400 and A330/340 can only fly up to 12 to 14 hours max and when the total flying hours from Manila to Newark, NJ or JFK would take 16 to 18 hours. The only aircraft right now that holds the longest flying haul with no refueling stop record are the B777ER and the Dreamliner 7E7 (which is not yet out in the market). Secondly, if PAL would extend it's service to Chicago like it used to, it has to have a lay-over in Vancouver, Ca or US West coast, there wouldn't be enough passengers to carry over the east coast since PAL will compete with all US air carriers. I'd like to think that PAL may also be facing problems with staffing, as far pilots and flight attendants is concerned. I think they are only allowed to operate cetain hours per FAA mandate for safety reasons, so, that means PAL will have to hire a US based groundworkers, FA and pilots. LAX to NY would take another 4 to 5 hours which is too hard on the pilots and FA if the origin of their destinations is from asia such as MLA.
very informative, kel. i know they used to fly all the way in chicago but wouldnt they just do what japan or korea does, and then, pick up more passenger from korea or japan but like you said they may have to pay more. well, we should ask uncle Lucio for this hehehehe

I've heard the news that CebPac's classical MD DC-9 has retired of service. Is this true?

oh, the current ultra-long-haul nonstop planes in service are the 777LR and the A340-500. The former has no commonality with PAL's fleet whatsoever, and the latter reputedly has a horrible fuel burn record. PAL's current A340-300 aircraft could go nonstop to Chicago or New York... if they halved the seats :D The 777-300ER and A340-600 could also do these routes nonstop, but with a little difficulty (like with PAL's 747s; they can make it both ways from MNL to LAX/SFO non-stop, but there's usually a technical stop in Guam, just in case)

Technically, PAL does have rights to stop over Japan and Korea and get some passengers before going to an airport like ORD or JFK/EWR, but PAL doesn't have the planes, and besides, landing fees in Japan are ridiculously expensive, and JAL, ANA, Northwest, United, and AA will provide tough competition on the Japan-US routes. PAL was considering CEB-ICN-LAX, but I have no idea what happened to that plan.

Maybe when PAL acquires the A340-600/B777-300ER, we'll see nonstop service to one of these cities, although I have a feeling that they'll just be used to eliminate the Guam stop from LAX and SFO.

^^ speaking of, why did PAL stop direct flights to SFO and LAX? those were so convenient pa naman.

^^ speaking of, why did PAL stop direct flights to SFO and LAX? those were so convenient pa naman.

Competensya siguro. Knowing that grabe ang frequency ng flights between LAX and SFO.

^^ diba PAL lang naman may direct flight na mnl-sfo and mnl-lax?

^^ diba PAL lang naman may direct flight na mnl-sfo and mnl-lax?
I thought LAX-SFO, sorry.
Mahal ang gas siguro. Its very convenient talaga ang non-stop flt. Budget cut siguro.

^^ diba PAL lang naman may direct flight na mnl-sfo and mnl-lax?

the flights were always direct non-stop Manila-West Coast, but West Coast-Manila, it depends on the load factor and the winds. Sometimes, the flight is nonstop, but if the headwinds are too strong, they stop in Guam to refuel.

Cathay Pacific and Singapore Airlines restrict the weight of their planes in order to make the trip (HKG-West Coast) non-stop both ways, but in the wintertime, when headwinds are strong, even their planes divert. At least PAL's Guam technical stop is announced way beforehand; for CX and SQ, it just happens.

In the year 2000, the United States Census counted over 2.4 million Americans who identified their ancestry as Filipino, and 22% of the Asian-American population but is speculated to be at 4 million by many Filipino-American and Asian-American organizations. More than half of the Filipino-American community is of American citizenship and the rest are Filipino nationals and/or dual citizens of the United States and the Philippines.

Most Filipino Americans reside in California, Washington, New York City Metropolitan Area and Hawai'i. In addition to California and Washington, Filipinos form the largest group of Asians in Alaska, Maine, Montana, Nevada, North Dakota, Oregon, South Dakota, Virginia, and Wyoming. And in addition to Hawaii, they are the second largest group of Asians in Arizona, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Illinois, Maine, Mississippi, New Jersey, New Mexico, South Carolina, Texas, Virginia and West Virginia.

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found this on wikipedia... didnt know most of this :]

I've heard the news that CebPac's classical MD DC-9 has retired of service. Is this true?


yes this is true

oh, the current ultra-long-haul nonstop planes in service are the 777LR and the A340-500. The former has no commonality with PAL's fleet whatsoever, and the latter reputedly has a horrible fuel burn record. PAL's current A340-300 aircraft could go nonstop to Chicago or New York... if they halved the seats :D The 777-300ER and A340-600 could also do these routes nonstop, but with a little difficulty (like with PAL's 747s; they can make it both ways from MNL to LAX/SFO non-stop, but there's usually a technical stop in Guam, just in case)

Technically, PAL does have rights to stop over Japan and Korea and get some passengers before going to an airport like ORD or JFK/EWR, but PAL doesn't have the planes, and besides, landing fees in Japan are ridiculously expensive, and JAL, ANA, Northwest, United, and AA will provide tough competition on the Japan-US routes. PAL was considering CEB-ICN-LAX, but I have no idea what happened to that plan.

Maybe when PAL acquires the A340-600/B777-300ER, we'll see nonstop service to one of these cities, although I have a feeling that they'll just be used to eliminate the Guam stop from LAX and SFO.


Sounds about right with your analysis. I stand corrected on B777LR and not just B777ER which still can be used to fly to NY/NJ area. But yes, stopover in Japan or Korea would be tough as there would also be a stiff competition with the above mentioned airliners. PAL or even 5J would be needing A340-600 OR b777ER/LR type of aircraft. I would really love to see 5J serve these routes, chicago and NJ/NY area while PAL can cover the eastcoast.

T2 can't accomodate all domestic fligth until PAL's international flights leave T2 to go to T3.

i think ew1's statement explains all this.

Why wait for the opening of T3? when t2 could accomodate all domestic flights. Why prioritize Tan's interest? Using the currect domestic terminal for our capital is a shame.. to compare it again to bus terminals, Baguio's Victory liner terminal is way better. Interiors and exteriors wise...

There is no legal monopoly BUT there is a defacto monopoly for T2. One of mighty mouse's bargains with the devil to get support in Edsa 2, included a little known provision which effectively allows PR to NOT PAY ANY FEES FOR THE USE OF T2. For any domestic carrier to move to T2, they would effectively raise their cost from a cheap terminal to a much more expensive one while their competitor PR does not pay anything. Sweat Deal huh. Anyway it's the reason why you don't see a rush of airliners moving there.

And Kapitan had nothing to do with the construciton of T2. It was JICA funded Government project.

T2 can currently handle PR's and other domestic carriers presently.

edit.
Hey just noticed this thread should be closed, it's over 500 posts , please move to new post.
http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=377484&page=1&pp=20

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It look likes PAL is routing to become a 4 star airline (at least) by improving its First Class and Mabuhay Class Service by introducing their new inflight service called "One by One". The new inflight service had a soft launch last July 1, 2006 on Los Angeles flights.

Here are some important points regarding "One by One"
* The introduction of a new service method for First Class and Mabuhay Class - a la carte - where meals are individually packed, prepared and plated from the galley in the tradition of fine-dining restaurants. "On-demand" service allows passengers to partake their meals anytime during the flight.

* Exciting key signiture dishes exclusive to PAL, complementad by other new kitchen concoctions by Executive Chef Ian McKenzie

* A total makeover of gally equipement and dining ware (from plates, saucers, cups, bowls, glasses, linens, etc.) that sport a new design concept - very modern with clean lines - inspired by the country's coastlines, thus called Coastal Collection.

The new inflight meal service method creates the "restaurant ambiance" where passengers can pick their own meal from a variety of choices. The crew is able to tailor fit the service to passenger preferences. The pace is dictated by the passenger's need. It offers more opportunities for the crew to interact with passenger.
Currently batches of international cabin crew are undergoing training at the PAL Learning Center. Eventuall, when all the international cabin crew shall have finished training, One by One service will be the standard premium class service on all international long-haul flights.

Source: PALiner


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This is a repost from the previous forum... we're in the 8th thread, hurray!
In addition to the plans of PAL new routes, this is one of highlight in PAL's inflight service improvement to cater to its customers in alignment w/ its 60th Anniversary last March.
Can 5J match this, I don't think so...
I hope North America expansion routes will see direct destinations to New York as well as Washington and Chicago, PAL's collegue airlines like JL, KE, CI, CX, and SQ have been flying there. PAL shoud also expand in Canada via Toronto... I've seen a lot of Pinoy community from that city of Canada.

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This is a repost from the previous forum... we're in the 8th thread, hurray!
In addition to the plans of PAL new routes, this is one of highlight in PAL's inflight service improvement to cater to its customers in alignment w/ its 60th Anniversary last March.
Can 5J match this, I don't think so...
I hope North America expansion routes will see direct destinations to New York as well as Washington and Chicago, PAL's collegue airlines like JL, KE, CI, CX, and SQ have been flying there. PAL shoud also expand in Canada via Toronto... I've seen a lot of Pinoy community from that city of Canada.
yes toronto! houston maybe?... well they should start flying to brisbane, ive heard there is alot of filipinos there, and its alot closer to home than NY and NJ...

^^ houston would be nice... or anywhere in texas

http://usera.imagecave.com/dxpsycho/pics/100_2094.jpg

http://usera.imagecave.com/dxpsycho/pics/100_2095.jpg

http://usera.imagecave.com/dxpsycho/pics/100_2100.jpg

^^^^ those are nice photos Dxpsycho.

Took Cebu Pacific from Manila to Cebu on 5J 563. Flight was on a new Airbus A319. Flight was delayed 15 minutes due to weather and runway repair (Their official excuse). Otherwise, flight was good and uneventful. Manila Domestic Airport is old and is on its last legs, while Mactan Cebu International is well maintained and clean. Here are some pictures from MNL to CEB.

CEBU PACIFIC CHECK-IN COUNTER
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e289/sikatuna/IMG_0554.jpg
MANILA DOMESTIC WAITING AREA - 4 GATES
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e289/sikatuna/IMG_0556.jpg
UP THE STAIRS
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e289/sikatuna/IMG_0558.jpg
RAINY DAY IN MANILA
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e289/sikatuna/IMG_0604.jpg
5J SNACK (SIEMPRE UNIVERSAL ROBINA!)
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e289/sikatuna/IMG_0561.jpg
SHINY NEW AIRBUS A319
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e289/sikatuna/IMG_0573.jpg
MACTAN - CEBU
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e289/sikatuna/IMG_0566.jpg

^^haha... we were always lucky when riding in cebu pacific when it comes to food... sister laging ganyan ang kanya... kame laging C2 lemon ang nabibigay... :D

pero malas kase delayed lagi ang flight...

^^ Akala ko 99% on time ang Cebu Pacific?!? :D

oo nga... pero we can't blame them kung ung weather ang problem diba??

^^ Yeah, same as sa dad ko 2 weeks ago... Dapat 7:15am yung flight nya with Philippine Airlines but because of inclement weather conditions, 4:30pm na sila nakalipad..lol Last week rin, nagpadala kami ng lechon patungong Manila through Philippine Airlines cargo and the flight na pagsasakayan ng lechon ay 9:30am but someone from the cargo called us na 11:30am na daw makalilipad yung plane kasi nasira yung wheels.. :D

ask ko lng were plannig on going to Bohol-Cebu this sembreak... my direct flight naman dun ang cebu pac/PAL diba??? which one is cheaper??? or same lng...

^^I suppose Cebu Pacific has cheaper fares. Yun ang target nila eh, cheaper than other airlines. :)

the manila domestic terminal looks pretty clean! well... whiter than i expected lol

^^haha... we were always lucky when riding in cebu pacific when it comes to food... sister laging ganyan ang kanya... kame laging C2 lemon ang nabibigay... :D

pero malas kase delayed lagi ang flight...

Kame naman parating Cream-O's and the Refresh orange drink. (not juice ... drink!) Same result rin sa C2 lemon. Sugar high. :)

OK lang kung 15 minute delay. Not the 9 hour delay that Sinjin described on PAL. :eek2:

ask ko lng were plannig on going to Bohol-Cebu this sembreak... my direct flight naman dun ang cebu pac/PAL diba??? which one is cheaper??? or same lng...

PAL is matching Cebu Pacific's rate of 568 pesos to Tagbilaran on certain dates if travelling before October 15. Of course, this is before taxes.

Well you guys should see the international airport in kolkata, india. Our domestic airport would look first class.

Last Update: Monday, July 31, 2006. 7:51pm (AEST)
Distressed Jetstar passenger escapes charges
Jetstar says it is unlikely to press charges against a man who tried to jump from a stationary aircraft in Launceston on Saturday.

The plane was taxiing to the runway when the male passenger, believed to be in his early 20s, became distressed.

The aircraft returned to the terminal but as the door was opened the man threw himself forward before the stairs could be put in place.

Jetstar spokesman Simon Westaway says a female cabin manager and two passengers tackled the man before he could jump.

Mr Westaway says the incident was distressing for all involved.

"Jetstar has no personal issue with the individual, we have requested that if he does want to fly with our airline in the future that he does carry a medical certificate or have medical clearance to do so," he said.

"We won't be pressing charges at this point in time."

Jetstar Airways To Offer Discounted Kansai-Sydney Flights

July 31, 2006 9:30 p.m. EST


Komfie Manalo - All Headline News Foreign Correspondent
Tokyo, Japan (AHN) - Melbourne, Australia-based Jetstar Airways Pty Ltd., has announced it would offer economy class round-trip fares for $175 between Kansai Airport and Sydney for three months once the service is launched on March 25, 2007.

The Yomiuri Shimbun says the airline is offering a 25 percent discount for the round-trip fare on limited seats. Regular fare for the route is $680.

Already, the airline has started accepting reservations for the discounted flights. The route will be the first for Jetstar Airways, with the flights to be staffed by Japanese-speaking flight attendants.

An airline spokesman said a well-known Australian chef has developed the menu for the in-flight meals. Current movies and music videos will be available during the flights.

Jetstar Airways, a subsidiary of Qantas Airways, was established in 2004. It has offered budget airfares by selling tickets on the Internet and charging passengers for some in-flight services to improve competitiveness. It will operate seven weekly services between Kansai Airport and Sydney, using the Airbus A330-200, which has 303 seats.

Samoan governor orders Hawaiian Airlines out
Pacific Business News (Honolulu)

The governor of American Samoa accuses Hawaiian Airlines of predatory practices and is giving the carrier 90 days to get out of the territory.

Togiola Tulafono has been complaining for months that Hawaiian charges more for its Pago Pago service than for other routes of similar distance. The order to cease service came after Hawaiian declined to voluntarily stop service.

Radio New Zealand reported Friday that the executive order also accused Hawaiian of "ethnic harassment towards the people of American Samoa."

Earlier this month, American Samoa Senate President Lolo Moliga accused Gov. Tulafono of "dictatorial" treatment of Hawaiian Airlines.

Moliga told fellow lawmakers that Tulafono has refused to meet with Hawaiian executives and had ignored several letters from the airline. He said that would make it hard for American Samoan officials to convince U.S. aviation regulators that they had dealt with Hawaiian fairly.

Philippine Airlines yr to March net profit up 63.4%
Friday, 28 July 2006
MANILA (XFNews-ASIA) - Philippine Airlines Inc said its year to March net profit rose 63.4 pct, supported by increased passenger and cargo revenues, which offset the negative impact of costlier fuel.



In its financial report filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, the unlisted firm said net profit came in at 28.74 mln usd, from 17.6 mln the year before.

Revenue grew 15 pct to 1.24 bln usd, with passenger sales accounting for 1.0 bln usd, or 81 pct of the total.

Revenue from cargo operations rose 11 pct to 116.63 mln usd.

Expenses totaled 17.9 mln usd, up 59 pct from 11.26 mln the previous year.

Local media reports last week quoted PAL president Jaime Bautista as saying that the airline, currently controlled by Filipino-Chinese tycoon Lucio Tan, would consider an initial public offering as early as 2008 if it can sustain its profitability.

Bautista earlier said PAL aimed to post record high earnings in the current fiscal year as it drops unprofitable routes and increase flights to destinations where there is heavy passenger traffic.

He also previously disclosed PAL's plan to borrow 840 mln usd from an export credit agency and commercial banks to fund a major refleeting program.

In December, PAL sealed a purchase agreement with Airbus, with deliveries of the new airplanes expected to commence in the second half of this year.

Nice to hear that PAL is profitable again this year!! I Hope they continue to be... Im hoping for an A346HGW order.....

From INQ7.net

Amphibian planes to fly tourists to Hundred Islands

By Yolanda Sotelo-Fuertes
Inquirer
Last updated 06:16pm (Mla time) 08/01/2006

ALAMINOS CITY - An airline company is planning to bring amphibian aircraft to this city within the month to service tourists visiting the Hundred Islands National Park.

Jerome John Valera, Aeroflite Airways vice president, said the 45-minute maiden flight from this city to Metro Manila will take place at the end of this month.

Valera said the company will also offer charter services to fly tourists from the Hundred Islands National Park to other tourist destinations in the country.

He said Aeroflite has two 12-seater single engine amphibian aircraft from the United States available for charters.

The company will use Alaminos to introduce the service to Filipinos while the city government will take the opportunity to introduce the islands to other tourists.

It is also planning to service other tourist destinations like Boracay, Subic and Clark, Valera said.

"[The service] is the first of its kind in the Philippines [that is run] by a Filipino company," he said.
Inquirer Northern Luzon Bureau

^^Any idea what planes they will be using?

Amphibian Aircraft are the aircraft that can land on land and water. but yeah. no clue what brand they will use.

PAL is matching Cebu Pacific's rate of 568 pesos to Tagbilaran on certain dates if travelling before October 15. Of course, this is before taxes.

cguro cebu pacific na lng kame... 568php plus taxes aabot rin sya ng 1000+ and if we book early, mas maganda... :D

I'm not sure if the past thread had this :

BOEING 787

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2005/photorelease/q1/050128g.jpg

http://boeingmedia.com/imageView.cfm?id=14557&ResID=4

http://www.boeing.com/companyoffices/gallery/images/commercial/787/images/787IntMockup_K63450-08.jpg

IMAGE GALLERY * (http://www.boeing.com/companyoffices/gallery/images/commercial/787/index1.html)

I just saw a short video on how the plane would be built.

Here's a screensaver from Boeing. http://www.boeing.com/companyoffices/gallery/screen/screen.htm

Jetstar Airways To Offer Discounted Kansai-Sydney Flights

July 31, 2006 9:30 p.m. EST


Komfie Manalo - All Headline News Foreign Correspondent
Tokyo, Japan (AHN) - Melbourne, Australia-based Jetstar Airways Pty Ltd., has announced it would offer economy class round-trip fares for $175 between Kansai Airport and Sydney for three months once the service is launched on March 25, 2007.

The Yomiuri Shimbun says the airline is offering a 25 percent discount for the round-trip fare on limited seats. Regular fare for the route is $680.

Already, the airline has started accepting reservations for the discounted flights. The route will be the first for Jetstar Airways, with the flights to be staffed by Japanese-speaking flight attendants.

An airline spokesman said a well-known Australian chef has developed the menu for the in-flight meals. Current movies and music videos will be available during the flights.

Jetstar Airways, a subsidiary of Qantas Airways, was established in 2004. It has offered budget airfares by selling tickets on the Internet and charging passengers for some in-flight services to improve competitiveness. It will operate seven weekly services between Kansai Airport and Sydney, using the Airbus A330-200, which has 303 seats.
omgsh, that is so cheap! rove was giving out jetstar international tickets to phuket on his show! i hear that jetstar international is only planning to fly to tourist destinations in asia... maybe they'll fly into the philippines... hopefully =]

Well you guys should see the international airport in kolkata, india. Our domestic airport would look first class.
ahah lol! yehs i heard airports in india are really badd

Here's PR 277 Boeing 737-300 approaching Runway 24 on time this morning (ETA 0750)...
http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j246/Monsigh/PR277Boeing737300.jpg
PAL is not Plane Always Late after all. I hope with its entry here (LGP) August 17, Cebu Pacific will live up to its claim, "the new Filipino time."

^^ nice pic... nice background

Got the P10 sale seats on 5J to Kalibo. Boracay was still almost 2 hours away by bus, but the flight was full of local and foreign tourists. Kalibo airport was small, but functional. Restaurants and food stalls surrounded the terminal. The runway is bordered by verdant green rice paddies. The town of Kalibo has grown since I last visited in 1995, but the airport has remained pretty much the same.

http://www.wam.umd.edu/~jbaino/kalibo2.jpg

http://www.wam.umd.edu/~jbaino/kalibo1.jpg

http://www.wam.umd.edu/~jbaino/kalibo3.jpg

http://www.wam.umd.edu/~jbaino/kalibo4.jpg

http://www.wam.umd.edu/~jbaino/kalibo5.jpg

there are filipinos in dallas too, it wouldn't be hard for PAL to fly direct to Houston then Dallas to Manila once they acquire new planes.
In Asia, I think PAL has future plans to fly to New Delhi or Mumbai, India since they are a portion of Indian Community here. I think they also want to have regular services to Daegu, Korea since there were many Korean tourist going here and PR has chartered services there every summer and Hanoi, Vietnam... a great tourist destination too.
I think they should also flyto Auckland, there are Filipino community there too and immigrants. Brisbane is a good comeback if they return there again, hopefully soon, as well as, New York and Washington.

yes toronto! houston maybe?... well they should start flying to brisbane, ive heard there is alot of filipinos there, and its alot closer to home than NY and NJ...

nope. The upcoming destinations are

Manila-Seattle Direct
Manila-San Diego via Vancouver

LINK TO ARTICLE (http://www.sdbj.com/industry_article.asp?aID=86947334.4580173.1343628.6917862.6071177.448&aID2=103347)

hmmm...how will the existing fleet of five 747s and four A340s be able to serve these new destinations?

btw...i visited Boeing's Everett plant a few weeks ago and went on their tour. I learned a lot about the new 787 during that time, making me an even bigger Boeing fan. After seeing their facility in person and reading about their latest technology, i really hope PAL aquires the 787 for its regional operations and the 777-200LR for its long haul operations. I know this is unlikely, since they have no commonality with the existing PAL fleet and that Lufthansa Teknik/Macroasia specialises in Airbus A330/A340s, but Boeing's advanced technology could save PAL a lot of money in the long run.
I will post photos of my visit soon. I dont have photos inside the assembly plant though, as cameras werent allowed.

isn't PAL getting new planes?

They are getting new planes but I don't think they would go for aircrafts with longer range yet like the Worldliner or the A345.

I dont have photos inside the assembly plant though, as cameras werent allowed.
Yeah, Boeing is pretty strict on photos of the assembly line. Airliners.net photographer Royal S. King had a assembly shot of a 773 that was originally deleted and later reposted after gaining permission from the legal connections of the company. Boeing's legal team definitely does to alot of action...I had a couple Boeing commercials that I posted in YouTube deleted due to similar reasons.

hmmm...how will the existing fleet of five 747s and four A340s be able to serve these new destinations?

I'm curious myself. Unless this is going to happen once they acquire aircraft, the closest I could ever think of is maybe that A343 freed up from the RUH route. Then again, they had some plans for that with the CEB-ICN-LAX flights announced a while back. I don't know what's the fate on those plans though...

I know this is unlikely, since they have no commonality with the existing PAL fleet and that Lufthansa Teknik/Macroasia specialises in Airbus A330/A340s, but Boeing's advanced technology could save PAL a lot of money in the long run.

With the price oil is at along with being a more modern airframe, the 777 would definitely look more appealing compared to the A340.

nope. The upcoming destinations are

Manila-Seattle Direct
Manila-San Diego via Vancouver

LINK TO ARTICLE (http://www.sdbj.com/industry_article.asp?aID=86947334.4580173.1343628.6917862.6071177.448&aID2=103347)
yes, we know that already

They are getting new planes but I don't think they would go for aircrafts with longer range yet like the Worldliner or the A345.
actually pal is opting for the 777 and the a346...

there are filipinos in dallas too, it wouldn't be hard for PAL to fly direct to Houston then Dallas to Manila once they acquire new planes.
In Asia, I think PAL has future plans to fly to New Delhi or Mumbai, India since they are a portion of Indian Community here. I think they also want to have regular services to Daegu, Korea since there were many Korean tourist going here and PR has chartered services there every summer and Hanoi, Vietnam... a great tourist destination too.
I think they should also flyto Auckland, there are Filipino community there too and immigrants. Brisbane is a good comeback if they return there again, hopefully soon, as well as, New York and Washington.
did pal fly to brisbane? didnt know that... yeh i think pal should fly to auckland, my cousin has family there and they say there is growing number of filipino communities in new zealand... and new york definately, pal should start serving that route, of course, once they get new planes...

Yeah, Boeing is pretty strict on photos of the assembly line. Airliners.net photographer Royal S. King had a assembly shot of a 773 that was originally deleted and later reposted after gaining permission from the legal connections of the company. Boeing's legal team definitely does to alot of action...I had a couple Boeing commercials that I posted in YouTube deleted due to similar reasons.



Very strict indeed, even their security on some of their buildings after 9/11.
I was lucky and amazed to see how they build those big planes and fighter planes.

Here is a virtual tour from BOEING

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did pal fly to brisbane?
Indeed PR did. It has long been axed though at one point, I could've sworn I heard something of reinstating such service, though that has been 2-3 years ago already.

Off topic but oz.fil, if possible, try and consolidate your replies instead of making consecutive posts. ;)

Very strict indeed, even their security on some of their buildings after 9/11.

Heck, I can't even wield my D50 (which has long been disabled :() in an airport without the police giving me a brief questioning.

hmmm...how will the existing fleet of five 747s and four A340s be able to serve these new destinations?


uy nabuhay si grey x hello!! :wave: haven't heard from you in a while!

PR has actually said that they were leasing some widebodies. They may announce all this with the widebody refleeting plan they have been talking up in the press the past few months. Supposed to be soon now so let's see!

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before they fly to BNE until 1998 crisis, I have relatives too in Auckland and in Sydney. Hopefully all these new routes will be served once PAL acquire their new planes, hopefully to will acquire it soon.

did pal fly to brisbane? didnt know that... yeh i think pal should fly to auckland, my cousin has family there and they say there is growing number of filipino communities in new zealand... and new york definately, pal should start serving that route, of course, once they get new planes...

there are filipinos in dallas too, it wouldn't be hard for PAL to fly direct to Houston then Dallas to Manila once they acquire new planes.
In Asia, I think PAL has future plans to fly to New Delhi or Mumbai, India since they are a portion of Indian Community here. I think they also want to have regular services to Daegu, Korea since there were many Korean tourist going here and PR has chartered services there every summer and Hanoi, Vietnam... a great tourist destination too.
I think they should also flyto Auckland, there are Filipino community there too and immigrants. Brisbane is a good comeback if they return there again, hopefully soon, as well as, New York and Washington.


There is no doubt that there are filipinos in those places you've mentioned but they are not as many as those filipinos in Cali and NY because if they do, even US airline companies would of served that market to MLA.

I am not sure why PAL's MNL -NJ as well as chicago's route were cancelled before. I'm suspecting PAL can' sustain those market because they will have to stop and refuel somewhere in eastcoast before they can continue onto it's final destination in eastcoast, namely NJ and JFK. PAL probably would be having problems with staffing that continuing flight from Eastcoat US or Canada. They would be needing ground workers, US based FA and pilots because like I said, it will take another 4 to 5 hours from west to east. They can't just use up these pilots and FAs to the max whom has been on the air flying the aircraft for 12 to 14 hours directly from Manila.

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good thing nabasa ko 'to!!! we'll be going to tagbilran this sembreak mga oct 16...

hopefully soon, as well as, New York and Washington.

While I would love to see PAL fly into JFK and/or IAD/BWI, PAL would face stiff competiton with Northwest, Korean, Cathay, China with their cutthroat pricing through consolidators. PAL's biggest selling point would hopefully be a non-stop flight from the US east coast. Is this even possible? I know Singapore does a JFK-SIN, Continental does a EWR-HKG non-stop and Korean flies IAD-ICN non-stop.

This might be where Cebu Pacific could enter the US market with its low fares and compete aggressively against existing cutthroat pricing.

While I would love to see PAL fly into JFK and/or IAD/BWI, PAL would face stiff competiton with Northwest, Korean, Cathay, China with their cutthroat pricing through consolidators. PAL's biggest selling point would hopefully be a non-stop flight from the US east coast. Is this even possible? I know Singapore does a JFK-SIN, Continental does a EWR-HKG non-stop and Korean flies IAD-ICN non-stop.

This might be where Cebu Pacific could enter the US market with its low fares and compete aggressively against existing cutthroat pricing.

That is if 5J or PAL (both maybe) would invest on B777LR and the future 787 dreamliner, 747 advance or A350 even where it can fly nonstop from Manila and Cebu. I don't think there is a direct flight to and from MNL and US east coast.

good thing nabasa ko 'to!!! we'll be going to tagbilran this sembreak mga oct 16...

Hehe.. makes the current P568 fare look really expensive. Looks like 5J is fighting back PAL's price match on certain routes.

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Cebu Pacific earlier opened services to Dipolog and Laoag, and will start flying to Legazpi on Aug. 17 and to Singapore on Aug. 31.

Hehe.. makes the current P568 fare look really expensive. Looks like 5J is fighting back PAL's price match on certain routes.

oo nga eh, i checked the site na and 99php nga ung nakalagay plus taxes, 1090php lang!!! tipid ng 600php, kung ung 568php ung kukunin namin.:D

one way lang ba 99?? eh pabalik?? mahal na?

oo nga eh, i checked the site na and 99php nga ung nakalagay plus taxes, 1090php lang!!! tipid ng 600php, kung ung 568php ung kukunin namin.:D

While I would love to see PAL fly into JFK and/or IAD/BWI, PAL would face stiff competiton with Northwest, Korean, Cathay, China with their cutthroat pricing through consolidators. PAL's biggest selling point would hopefully be a non-stop flight from the US east coast. Is this even possible? I know Singapore does a JFK-SIN, Continental does a EWR-HKG non-stop and Korean flies IAD-ICN non-stop.

This might be where Cebu Pacific could enter the US market with its low fares and compete aggressively against existing cutthroat pricing.
thai also flies BKK-JFK non stop, the 'new york express' fastest out of south east asia or sumthing... of course, they use their A346's... love their planes!

one way lang ba 99?? eh pabalik?? mahal na?
ganun din, basta uuwi ka within the dates suggested