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kiretoce

November 2nd, 2007, 08:51 PM

PAL launches code-sharing program with UAE carrier (http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/ceb/2007/11/03/bus/pal.launches.code.sharing.program.with.uae.carrier.html)

Philippine Airlines (PAL) and Etihad Airways have started a code-share service between Manila and Abu Dhabi, with Etihad as the operating carrier.

This is PAL’s first commercial partnership with another carrier since emerging from receivership last Sept. 28.

The code-share agreement, which became operational on Oct. 4, gives PAL a seat allocation on Etihad’s daily service between Manila and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) capital, as PAL widens its network of alliances in its post-rehabilitation phase.

The Philippine flag carrier has code-share agreements with eight international carriers that enable it to serve eight destinations from Manila and three from Cebu. PAL also has an extensive code-share partnership with Air Philippines on the latter’s domestic network.

Industry practice

Code-sharing is a widespread industry practice in which two or more airlines offer a joint product to the traveling public. The partner carriers are active participants in the arrangement, with both combining their sales and promotional muscle to develop markets, leading to better deals for passengers.

The code-share service with Etihad is marketed and sold in the Philippines and the UAE as joint PAL/Etihad flights.

PAL has designated Etihad’s Manila-Abu Dhabi flight as PR 621, departing daily at 4 p.m. with same-day arrival in the UAE capital at 8:25 p.m. The Abu Dhabi-Manila service is known as PR 628, with daily departures at 2:05 a.m. and arrival at 2:30 p.m. the same day.

All flights are operated using Etihad’s Boeing 777-300 widebody aircraft.

Code-share passengers holding confirmed tickets connecting to PAL’s domestic or international flights are provided free transfer service between the Ninoy Aquino International Airport Terminal 1 and PAL’s hub at NAIA Centennial Terminal 2.

kiretoce

November 2nd, 2007, 08:54 PM

ATO to hire 300 new air traffic controllers (http://news.balita.ph/html/article.php/20071102150556182)

The Air Transportation Office (ATO) will hire 300 new air controllers after the government hand was forced by the big increase in airline traffic.

ATO said Malacanang had given the office an exemption from Executive Order (EO) 366, otherwise known as the rationalization plan, which prohibits new hiring and encourages early retirement.

"As of now, the transportation sector is booming with the opening to international and regional flights of airports such as the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport (DMIA), the Davao, Laoag and Cebu-Mactan International Airport (CMIA), besides the Manila International Airport (MIA)," ATO said.

It said the exemption came from the United States Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) that audited safety of Philippine international airports last August 23 and 24, 2007.

FAA reported that it is necessary to increase positioned personnel in the control towers, radar installation, communicators and air navigation to increase air safety.

Earlier, President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo promised to provide an initial Php 100 million and the ATO said, "this will include allotments for check pilots and aviation safety inspectors."

ATO said there would be a total upgrading of its personnel and facilities, "a very encouraging development for the whole aviation industry."

ATO will also send check pilots to further their trainings to the United States and Singapore.

Currently, there are close to 400 air controllers scattered over 26 airports nationwide.

The ATO has programmed trainings for about 100 of the new hires for six months followed by 100 until the full 300 has been filled up in two years.

Of the 300 new air contollers,150 will be assigned to Manila and the rest to DMIA and CMIA.

ATO is also inviting former air controllers, technicians and communicators who have been abroad but have returned after the end of their contracts, to reapply and fill in the dearth of aviation specialists.

The ATO is also putting up a central tower at Tagbilaran Airport in Bohol, and also upgrading the newly opened airports in Bohol, Bacolod and Silay.

Ex!lE

November 3rd, 2007, 03:57 AM

Aviation think tank names PAL airline turnaround of the year (http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2007/nov/03/yehey/business/20071103bus3.html)

By Darwin G. Amojelar, Reporter

Philippine Airlines is named “Airline Turnaround of the Year 2007” by the Center for Asia-Pacific Aviation, a Sydney-based think-tank and aviation strategists.

PAL’s achievement in the industry, particularly its early exit from its rehabilitation program due to improved financial performance, was cited by the think-tank’s executive chairman, Peter Harbison. He said: “Few airlines have reformed themselves so comprehensively as Philippine Airlines. An unflinching cost focus, network focus and superb productivity enhancement have provided Philippine Airlines the platform to profitably expand and establish a strong position in the region’s aviation industry.”

From April to June, PAL earned a profit of $34.5 million and $140.3 million for 2006 up to March 31.

Documents from the Securities and Exchange Commission showed PAL’s projected income for next year could hit $32.32 million, and around $26.28 million and $47.41 million in 2009 and 2010, respectively.

The Lucio Tan-owned airline carrier is undergoing a refleeting program amounting to $1.4 billion. This year, PAL expects a delivery of two Airbus 320 aircraft and five more in 2008.

In addition, a fleet of six Boeing 777-300 Extended Range will be delivered between 2009 and 2011.

With the refleeting program is the plan to hire 100 pilots starting this year until the completion of the program in 2012.

PAL has 450 pilots and 1,300 cabin crew.

The carrier operates a mixed fleet of 14 narrow-body aircraft, comprising seven A320s, four Boeing 737-300s and three Boeing 737-400s. It also operates eight A330s and four A340s for regional flights and long-range routes.

PAL flies to 43 destinations, 18 domestic and 25 international points. PAL also serves the US, Japan, Hong Kong, Korea and the Middle East routes.

PAL Holdings owns about 84.7-percent stake in the flag carrier. It earlier acquired six holding companies that collectively own 81.57 percent of PAL. Separately, PAL Holdings also owns 3.1 percent of PAL through a subsidiary, PR Holdings Inc.

ianers_ianized

November 3rd, 2007, 06:19 AM

It's another shame on PAL that dis happened... anyway does anyone know why PAL cut its route on Okinawa?

Good thing, Haiwaiian Airlines is coming to Philippines now it will give PAL a real competition on MNL-HNL route.

i just read this in the SunStar news.... this is sad :ohno:... but luckily walang namatay... those banana trees saved the lives of the passengers.... :cheers:

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/net/2007/10/27/article_233664_10-27-2007.jpg
The Philippine Airlines (PAL) airbus after it crashed Friday into a banana and coconut grove situated several meters away from the Butuan Airport runway. (Sun.Star Cagayan de Oro/Ben Serrano)

habagatcentral1

November 3rd, 2007, 06:20 AM

ATO to hire 300 new air traffic controllers (http://news.balita.ph/html/article.php/20071102150556182)

For interested applicants, just go to the ATO offices of your respective airports/regions.

The examination was moved sometime mid-November. ;)

Chrisvenz

November 3rd, 2007, 07:21 AM

another bravo to PAL, kh8 nag karoon na namn ng bad record... lolx:nuts:

BOB-bXu

November 3rd, 2007, 07:36 AM

mwg12a

November 3rd, 2007, 10:41 AM

^^ Really? My guess would be take-off, although landing does have its fair share of potential chances for things to go wrong.

I think it is the take off also. As far as I remember, there are very few incidents on take offs, reported disaster after take off was usually in midair several minutes and already miles awy from the actual take off from the runaway which all happened to be fatal, usually none of the passengers and crew survived. The only one incident I've known so far ;and anybody can add if they knew of any recorded incidents of crashes on take offs; was the TWA flight in a small town in Iowa or I think it was kentuky, it was a pilot error, apparently, the pilot used the shorter runway that was really intended for the type of aircrafts such as cessna and the likes. You guys can add to this if you guys find the report on this incident. it was just less than 3 years ago this happened.

Solblanc

November 3rd, 2007, 01:03 PM

a s i a n a

November 3rd, 2007, 04:20 PM

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mambo

November 3rd, 2007, 05:02 PM

I think it is the take off also. As far as I remember, there are very few incidents on take offs, reported disaster after take off was usually in midair several minutes and already miles awy from the actual take off from the runaway which all happened to be fatal, usually none of the passengers and crew survived. The only one incident I've known so far ;and anybody can add if they knew of any recorded incidents of crashes on take offs; was the TWA flight in a small town in Iowa or I think it was kentuky, it was a pilot error, apparently, the pilot used the shorter runway that was really intended for the type of aircrafts such as cessna and the likes. You guys can add to this if you guys find the report on this incident. it was just less than 3 years ago this happened.

its so easy to take off but difficult to land, youn can sense that pilots and flight attendants are more concernedof the passengers safety during landing

They usually do that if they're gonna write-off the aircraft. Sad.

siguro dadalhin yon sa manila by boat or theyre going to tear it down there in butuan

Crazy4Airplanes

November 3rd, 2007, 06:47 PM

http://i181.photobucket.com/albums/x142/nenzze_07/PALPLANE.jpg

This is how the ill-fated Airbus 320 of PAL looked like as of this posting..

The management painted the signages with white paint....

The reason...hmmmm....your guess is as good as mine....:)

sayang... kaya siguro when i passed by C5 this afternoon i still saw a B733 landing dahil they have lost another jet. diba the original plan was by november phased out na ang 733? sana mareplace soon yung a320 na yun. we all know pal needs its added capacity to its fleet.

xxpmrong

November 3rd, 2007, 07:57 PM

uhm.. maiba tayo... last friday we had an hour long meeting and my teamates were jeering that I dont appear to be with them during the discussion... true enough!

the room's window was facing the final approach side of changi airport... and I counted 10 planes landed in around 30 minutes! at a time, I could even see up to 3 planes lined up for landing with the last one still going the other direction. the first 5 ones were SIAs damn I was hoping to see an A380..

but can anyone confirm? is 10 planes in 30 mins possible? around 1 plane every 3 minutes?

kiretoce

November 3rd, 2007, 07:58 PM

^^ That can happen.

normandb

November 3rd, 2007, 09:54 PM

Good day!

In response to your suggestion, we have already updated the site and include the time clock of different states in USA as well as the local time in London and in Dubai.
Thank you and Best regards,

administrator@bacolod-silayairport.com

The arrangement should be California, Florida, London, Dubai, Bacolod

diz

November 3rd, 2007, 10:47 PM

that old route map was really ambitious.

Chrisvenz

November 4th, 2007, 04:10 AM

wow, ganda ng mga aircraft ng pal dati... sobrang cute.... =)

Bo B

November 4th, 2007, 05:13 PM

WTF is wrong with PAL :rant:!@#$%^&*! I booked a flight for my tito and tita and the lowest peak season rate is now 50% higher than what it was a month ago! a round trip economy class LAX ticket now cost Php 75k! Shesh my parents just paid 106K for Mabuhay Class a month ago and economy class back then was just 54k!

Probably due to the approaching peak season plus the fact that oil is now hovering around US$95.00/Barrel.

sayang... kaya siguro when i passed by C5 this afternoon i still saw a B733 landing dahil they have lost another jet. diba the original plan was by november phased out na ang 733? sana mareplace soon yung a320 na yun. we all know pal needs its added capacity to its fleet.

The 737's are a lot safer than its Airbus equivalent. I guess that the A320 that crashed in Butuan had difficulty landing right? It must have tried to throttle up in an aborted landing just like what happened in Bacolod, Bahrain, Taiwan, Thailand, and so many other places including the Fly-by-wire system's maiden flight. Airbus has had problems in these situations and I still prefer to fly with airlines using Boeings to any destination that I am going flying to.

I don't know, if I were a future passenger of PAL, it'd give more peace of mind to know if the aircraft I'm riding on wasn't involved in any prior accidents or mishaps.

You are right about that. China Airlines that exploded in Midair for no apparent reason was previously involved in an accident many years ago. I think the same thing happened to a JAL 747.

Recently, Garuda had a crashlanding in Yogjakarta with a 737... when I checked records, it seems that the 737's original owner was Aloha Airlines... the same one which suffered a ruptured fuselage on a flight to Hawaii but was able to land safely minus one of the flight attendants. The website hasn't given the registration numbers of the Garuda and Aloha B737 aircraft, but there must be something wrong with that aircraft since the ADAM Air 737 that also crash landed did not burst into flames despite suffering a broken fuselage due to the impact.

ngprofflorida

November 5th, 2007, 12:48 PM

All flight information quoted on the site are estimates arrival at the old airport based in Bacolod since the new airport is not yet in operation," the web administrator clarifies.

The flight information on the site are just estimates per data from Flightstats. However, passenger are still advise to double check flight information with their respective airline, the web administrator advised since there are many factor that can affect the flight resulting to delays.

A quick tour of the airport is also made available online by visting: http://www.bacolod-silayairport.com/AboutUs.html. While real time weather update in Bacolod and in Manila is also available at the main page of the site along with world clock.

Other information currently available on site are latest promotion from different airlines, places to stay in Bacolod, recommended resorts and beaches in Negros Island.

Soon airport services will be available online which included travel advisory, travel tips, shuttle service, rent-a-car, taxi service, list of restaurants and malls in Bacolod.

www.bacolod-silayairport.com was developed mid of October of this year by a young professional whose goal is to make Bacolod and Negros vissible to the global community in just a single click.

Days after the site go on-line it has outrightly captured the attention of Bacoleños and Negresense residing abroad.

A website visitor from Florida who emailed the web-administrator said: "Thank you very much for making this kind of information. Only few airport in our country are doing this web-site."

kiretoce

November 5th, 2007, 06:24 PM

PAL says lower airfare got the firm more passengers (http://www.mindanews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3201&Itemid=54)

DAVAO CITY -- The Philippine Airlines’ decision to lower the fare for travel to and from Mindanao has actually earned their firm more passengers as those who used to travel by land and sea could now afford to fly.
"We got a portion of that market because our airfare is now almost equal to that of surface travel," Philippine Airlines’ vice president for Mindanao Dominguo Duerme said.

Duerme said the cheapest one-way ticket from Davao to Manila before was P3,900. "Now we have a promo package of P648 one way ticket, plus taxes, which could sum up to around P2,200.”

Cebu Pacific, PAL's competitor, earlier lowered its fare, even offering promos on advanced booking for as low as a peso for a one-way ticket to Manila from here, exclusive of taxes.

Duerme told business reporters Monday at the Kapehan sa SM City at the Pizza Hut Restaurant that PAL, which flies to seven cities in Mindanao, has reached its Mindanao gross sales targets from January to October this year.

He said they reached sales targets both for passenger and cargo, citing 80 percent loading average so far for the first 10 months of the year. Duerme is also the incumbent president of the Davao City Chamber of Commerce and Industry.

The increase in passenger traffic due to decrease in fare helped ensure the firm would not experience a 6 per cent dip in sales for the supposed lean months of the year from August to November. He cited no figures.

Duerme said the increasing number of conventions and events held in Davao City has boosted its sales.

Aside from Davao, PAL flies from Manila to Zamboanga, Cagayan de Oro, General Santos, Dipolog, Cotabato and Butuan.

At present, PAL flies five times daily to Manila. But Duerme announced they would add one more flight by December 1 to accommodate more passengers during the Christmas holidays.

PAL uses two 302-seater A330 planes, two 150-seater A320 planes and a 136-seater A319 plane for its existing flights. Duerme vowed to give updates as soon as the Air Transportation Office is finished with its investigation on a PAL flight that overshoot the runway in Butuan airport last month.

He said they have attended to the passengers in the accident, including those who needed hospitalization.

kiretoce

November 5th, 2007, 06:34 PM

Baggage carousel now being installed at Tacloban airport (http://www.pia.gov.ph/?m=12&fi=p071105.htm&no=17)

Tacloban City -- With the ongoing construction of the baggage carousel at the DZR Airport in Tacloban, the perennial problem of unsystematic and spending too much time claiming for travelers' pieces of baggage, will already be solved.

Ms. Merla Negradas, the manager of the Air Transportation Office in the Region, informed that the installation of the airport baggage carousel started in the last week of October and is now on-going.

Because of the on-going construction, the arrival area has been temporarily transferred to the VIP Lounge, Manager Negradas informed, as she called on the airline passengers to bear with the temporary inconveniences brought about by the installation.

The baggage carousel, Manager Negradas informed, is not brand new. It came from the old domestic airport of Iloilo which have been closed to give way to a new airport. It would be recalled that the new Iloilo Airport was inaugurated few months ago.

Negradas, however, assured that the baggage carousel is functional and has now a brand new appearance as it underwent a rehabilitation process and it now looks brand new.

The installation of the airport amenity is expected to be finished early next month. Sources from the ATO disclosed that todate, some spare parts particularly the friction drive which is the mechanism that will make the carousel operational, and the engineer who will install the amenity, are still being awaited to arrive in Tacloban.

The spareparts are still in Iloilo but will be sent to Tacloban this afternoon, Mr. Diorico Ellema, the administrative officer of ATO Tacloban informed. The installation is supposed to be finished within six days, he said, unfortunately some spareparts were left in Iloilo.

The carousel transfer and rehabilitation would cost the ATO Central Office about P900,000.00, Manager Negradas said. She is happy that the ATO head office decided to send it to Tacloban instead of the original plan of sending it to another airport,

For the first time, the Tacloban Airport arriving passengers will now have the same amenity of a baggage carousel just like other airports, Manager Negradas concluded.

WawaY[625]

November 5th, 2007, 08:08 PM

pi_malejana

November 5th, 2007, 10:23 PM

^^ pinag-papasa-pasahan na ung 'old' carousel??!!

WawaY[625]

November 5th, 2007, 10:46 PM

kaysa naman itapon :D

but im pretty positive that i saw an ATO ad na yung old carousel ng DIA nalipat sa old airpot ng iloilo nang mag open ang new terminal ng DIA.

hiiamdib

November 6th, 2007, 06:01 AM

PAL named "Airline Turnaround of the Year 2007"

Philippine Airlines, the country’s flag carrier has been named as the “Airline Turnaround of the Year 2007" by aviation strategist, Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation.

The Sydney-based think tank lauded the airline firm’s early exit from rehabilitation and its financial turnaround. PAL is eight months ahead of its scheduled exit from rehab on June 2008.

“An unflinching cost focus, network focus and superb productivity enhancement have provided Philippine Airlines the platform to profitably expand and establish a strong position in the region’s aviation industry,” said Peter Harbison, executive chairman for the Center for Asia-Pacific Aviation.

Philippine Airlines made a record net profit of $140.3 million last year, marking a more than six-fold rise from a year earlier and helped in part by non-recurring items.

The airline has had three straight years of profits after an erratic financial performance since 1999 when restructuring began and despite an environment of rising fuel costs.

The airline is currently upgrading its fleet, with plans to acquire up to 20 Airbus A320 jets by 2008-2009 for its regional and domestic service.

It has also signed a deal to acquire six Boeing 777-300ER aircraft for its long-haul operations by 2009.

mambo

November 6th, 2007, 08:48 AM

is philippine airlines going back to riyadh, coz i dont like the saudi flights now they are using chartered old 737-300 aircrafts from air atlanta thou its painted with saudia logo and there are no videos!!!!!! during my flight back to the kingdom kaya natututlog na lang during most of the 9 hour flight, meron pang stopover sa hongkong during the flight to manila ang tagal nyang byaheeeeeeeeee

GearX

November 6th, 2007, 09:41 AM

New int'l routes opening in Visayas airports
By Roderick T. dela Cruz

New international routes will be opened to bring foreign tourists from Russia, China and Korea to different destinations in the Visayas over the next two months, according to the Department of Tourism.

The DOT said direct flights between Shanghai in China and Kalibo, the capital town of Aklan province, which has jurisdiction over the world-renowned resort island of Boracay, were expected to begin next month.

He said direct flights between Incheon City, where Korea's main international airport is located, and Bacolod City, the capital of Negros Occidental province in Western Visayas, would also be mounted.

In December, international flights will be launched between Beijing, the capital city of China and Kalibo, according to the DOT.

The Tourism office said more international flights would also be opened to bring visitors from Russia and China to Cebu, the main gateway in the Visayas.

Early this month, Asian Spirit launched new flights from Macau, China to Sta. Ana, Cagayan, which is being developed as a free port and gaming destination in the northeastern part of Luzon.

The DOT said the plan aims to "internationalize our provincial airports" to bring tourists directly to major destinations, without passing Metro Manila.

The Department of Tourism disclosed that a group of Korean investors was building an international airport in Carabao Island in Romblon to transform the island into the next Boracay.

source (http://www.goodnewspilipinas.com/docs/beauty_of_the_phils/current/intl_routes_visayas_airports.html)

CarloPlyr440

November 6th, 2007, 10:37 AM

When Will DMIA Start it's Construction?

orangejuice

November 6th, 2007, 01:37 PM

Maganda rin kung sa Clark na malilipat ang airport natin. Lalo kung di magbubukas ever ung NAIA 3

is philippine airlines going back to riyadh, coz i dont like the saudi flights now they are using chartered old 737-300 aircrafts from air atlanta thou its painted with saudia logo and there are no videos!!!!!! during my flight back to the kingdom kaya natututlog na lang during most of the 9 hour flight, meron pang stopover sa hongkong during the flight to manila ang tagal nyang byaheeeeeeeeee

hi mambo, naku sinabi mo, ang hirap nung napakatagal na byahe tapos wala man lang sarili mong tv! i live in dublin, ireland, so pag umuuwi ako sa pinas every year, i make it a point na ung sasakyan ko me tv na sarili. kasi ung lufthansa flight ba naman from frankfurt, diyos ko airbus na walang tv, eh 12 hours+ din yun. :uh: Then I had an experience going to australia via PAL di rin tig-i tig isa ung tv, malaking screen lang eh halos 8 oras na byahe to melbourne from manila. bongga ung singapore airlines, from sing lang to manila, lahat me tv sari sarili! kahit short flight lang! hayyy!

a s i a n a

November 6th, 2007, 03:47 PM

Is B744 capable of flying Manila - LA nonstop?

kiretoce

November 6th, 2007, 03:53 PM

^^ It can.

a s i a n a

November 6th, 2007, 04:57 PM

^^ It can.

Then, why do PAL's 744 planes need to have refueling stop in Guam?

mambo

November 6th, 2007, 05:41 PM

the amt of fuel depende ata yan sa dami ng bagahe at pasahero

Raven83

November 6th, 2007, 05:47 PM

Then, why do PAL's 744 planes need to have refueling stop in Guam?

I think they only do that on the return leg,because they are going along with the earth's movement instead of going against it on the MNL-LAX/SFO leg. For example if you leave this very hour you'll arrive in the States on the very same day and up to five hours in advance. But if you will travel back you will add two days on the date of your departure from the mainland.

Skyblade

November 6th, 2007, 07:27 PM

Another issue is facing headwinds when going westbound.

kiretoce

November 6th, 2007, 07:30 PM

^^ I knew it! You can't resist! :lol: Thanks Joe! Nice you seeing again in this thread! :okay:

flying_olympic

November 7th, 2007, 06:02 AM

also, to add to what mambo said. Since PAL has such a generous amount of weight limit for one's luggage. All the balikbayan boxes are very heavy, therefore they must make a stop because the factors are against the plane. The weight and the headwinds prevent the plane to make a nonstop flight.

3cr

November 7th, 2007, 09:09 AM

Government spent P302M for NAIA 3 legal battles
By Jonathan M. Hicap, Reporter
Manila Times
http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2007/nov/07/yehey/metro/20071107met6.html

The Manila International Airport Authority (MIAA) spent P302.67 million last year just to defend the Philippine government in cases involving the mothballed Ninoy Aquino International Airport Terminal 3, a report from the Commission on Audit showed.

If that was not enough, the government spent P645.83 million for technical assistance for the NAIA 3’s start of operations in the first quarter of next year.

The P302.67 million is still lower than the P772.11 million the authority spent in 2005 to fight legal battles with the Philippine International Air Terminals Co. Inc. (Piatco) and Fraport AG Frankfurt Airport Services.

The Philippines successfully defended its position before the World Bank’s International Center for Settlement on Investment Dispute when the latter junked Fraport’s case in August.

Still pending is the case filed in 2003 by Piatco against the Philippine government before the International Chamber of Commerce Court of Arbitration based in Singapore.

The audit report also showed the MIAA last year gave P645.83 million as advance payment to Takenaka Corp. and Asahikosan Corp. for technical assistance related to the terminal’s start of operations.

Takenaka has agreed to repair the defects at NAIA 3 and cooperate with the airport authority in ensuring the different systems of the terminal are operational.

In a related development, the assessment of NAIA 3’s value is being delayed by a government motion questioning the selection of an international appraiser.

Fiorello Estuar, head of the NAIA 3 Commission that is tasked to appraise the terminal property, said they cannot start the assessment because a case filed against them by the Office of the Solicitor General is still pending before Pasay Regional Trial Court Judge Jesus Mupas.

Other members of the commission are Alfonso Tan Jr., a former special legal counsel of the Presidential Commission on Good Government, and Angelo Panganiban.

The assessment of the NAIA 3 will help government determine the compensation to be paid to Piatco, which built the structure.

It can be recalled the Supreme Court annulled the NAIA 3 concession agreements between the government and Piatco but ordered that the company be paid for the construction of the terminal.

Sinjin P.

November 7th, 2007, 10:52 AM

RP becoming Asia’s flight-training
capital, says aviation-school exec (http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/11062007/economy06.html)

CLARK, Pampanga—Foreign and local flight students are coming in droves while flight-training schools are sprouting everywhere just like nursing schools.

If the trend continues, the Philippines could become Asia’s flight-training capital in the next few years, an aviation-school operator said Sunday.

Capt. Ben Hur Gomez, president of Omni Aviation Corp., considered as the country’s premier aviation school, said foreign flight students are steadily streaming in even as the number of registered flight-training schools across the country have increased, Air Transportation Office records show.

“Right now, there are about 400 Indian flight students enrolled at different flight schools in the country today,” Gomez, a former Boeing 747 pilot, said.

“Many more of them are coming along with other nationalities from Asia and Europe, but our local aviation schools cannot accommodate all of them just yet,” he said.

“This only shows that our country is the preferred aviation-learning haven for many nationalities and we should grab the opportunity and maintain the educational quality as this can provide thousands of jobs for our countrymen,” added Gomez. “Our government should give its full support by protecting the interests of flying schools.”

A certain aviation firm in India alone is reportedly asking Omni Aviation to gradually accommodate a hundred flight students per year, but Gomez said his office had to beg off to just half the number so as to give room to other aspiring local pilots.

Aside from Air Taxi Tours to Mt. Pinatubo, Omni offers the most complete regimen in aviation courses, namely, Private Pilot Ground/Flight Course, Commercial Pilot Ground/Flight Course, Instrument Flying Ground/Flight Course and Flight Instructor’s Course.

Omni has recently acquired a twin-engine trainer plane and would soon be offering a multiengine course as well. It is also planning to add two more Cessna trainer planes to its fleet of eight in the next few months. Omni is opening a flight-training branch in Lingayen, Pangasinan, shortly Gomez said.

Rounding out the other flight schools in Luzon are Clark Aviation, which is using an Airbus 320 flight simulator; Fliteline Aviation Corp., and Yokota Aviation School also in Bulacan.

The Air Transportation Office (ATO) also reported that the Visayas has now six flight schools.

These are Adventure Flight Education and Sports Inc., Aviation Training One International Inc., Aviatours Fly’N, Cheynair Aviation Flying School, Flight Dynamics School of Aeronautics and Indiana Aerospace University. These are all located in Lapu-Lapu City in Cebu.

Mindanao has only one at present in Sasa, Davao City—the Mindanao Aeroflight Training Center Inc.

The National Capital Region hosts the biggest number of flight schools at 17, which raises the number of this latest phenomenon in the aviation industry to 28, the ATO said.

These are Ace Pilots Aviation Academy, Aeroflite Aviation Corp. Flying School, Airlink International Aviation School, Airworks Aviation Co., Axle Air Aviation School, Delta Air Aviation School Inc., Flight and Simulator Training Inc., Flight School International Inc., Flying Medical Samaritans, Masters Flying School, National Aviation Specialist Academy Int’l, Orient Aviation Corp., Pacific Airways Multiversity Flying Center Phil. State College of Aeronautics, Philippine Airlines Learning Center, Phil. National Police Air Group Training and World Aviation Flying School.

Dubai, Abu Dhabi and Doha, bases of three fast-growing airlines, namely, Emirates, Etihad and Qatar Airways, are fueling this growth. The said countries are also believed to be the primary destination of Filipino aviation contract workers, Gomez said.

There are currently 700 commercial pilots in the country, 450 of whom are with the country’s flag carrier, PAL. Some 75 PAL pilots have left for foreign employment since 2003.

Based on the paper entitled “The Air Transport Industry,” China alone will need some 10,000 pilots in the next 20 years and India will need 4,000 in the next five years.

The paper says growth period until 2023 will require 23,000 pilots, of which 6,000 will be in the Asia-Pacific region. At present Singapore has a pending job order for 50 pilots at the Philippine Overseas Employment Administration (POEA).

An Airbus Global Market Forecast pointed out in its 2004 study that passenger traffic will grow by 5 percent per annum until 2023 and this will require additional 16,601 passenger aircraft.

For aircraft mechanics, Singapore needs 767 senior mechanics and additional 50 junior aircraft mechanics, while Hong Kong and Qatar are both open with no specific number of requirements. Saudi Arabia needs 73

ianers_ianized

November 7th, 2007, 11:31 AM

anyway does anyone know why PAL cut its route on Okinawa?

PositiveThinker

November 7th, 2007, 01:26 PM

ianers_ianized: anyway does anyone know why PAL cut its route on Okinawa?

Reply fr. PositiveThinker: PAL cut its route on Okinawa because they don't
have enough fuel to go there:lol:

kiretoce

November 7th, 2007, 03:02 PM

That's very good news. :applause: On a side note, it is known industry wide that PAL's pilots are famous for their smooth landings. :okay:

crappypants

November 7th, 2007, 06:18 PM

that's great news. That's true Kimber I've noticed that too.
Filipino pilots are better than world class.
I just hope the al queda don't send their recruits to the PHils.

ianers_ianized

November 8th, 2007, 03:51 AM

ianers_ianized: anyway does anyone know why PAL cut its route on Okinawa?

Reply fr. PositiveThinker: PAL cut its route on Okinawa because they don't
have enough fuel to go there:lol:

Does anyone know like lox pax on the route or something

kiretoce

November 8th, 2007, 04:43 AM

^^ Could be low passenger loads and revenue. PAL only makes a stop at Naha (Okinawa) on it's route to Fukuoka.

Solblanc

November 8th, 2007, 06:27 AM

On a side note, it is known industry wide that PAL's pilots are famous for their smooth landings

...into the banana trees :D

Seriously, though, great news

Sinjin P.

November 8th, 2007, 07:27 AM

RP next hub for aviation training
(http://businessmirror.com.ph/11082007/headlines011.html)
By Butch Fernandez
Reporter

THE Philippines is positioned to be the next flight-training capital in Asia, but Sen. Edgardo Angara said the country would need an autonomous, centralized civil aviation authority to effectively run it.

Angara cited the steadily growing number of foreign flight students here as reported by Omni Aviation Corp. president Captain Ben Hur Gomez who confirmed, for instance, that there are about 400 Indian flight students currently enrolled in different flight schools in the country.

He added that more students are coming in from Asia and Europe, but local flight schools are unable to accommodate them.

“With the influx of foreign flight students, the country should be prepared to ensure the safety and efficiency of aviation in the country,” Angara said. “Being structurally prepared will further boost our competitive advantage in becoming Asia’s flight-training capital,” he added.

According to him, countries like the United Kingdom, New Zealand, Australia, Uganda, Jordan, Pakistan, Singapore, the Fiji Islands, Ireland, Romania, Jamaica, South Africa, Sri Lanka, and Trinidad and Tobago have all restructured their regulatory policies and frameworks and created a “stand-alone civil- aviation authority” that had worked to their advantage in promoting their aviation industry through reduced bureaucracy and inefficiency in meeting Icao standards and recommended practices.

“Having a similar aviation policy will make the Philippines more attractive as a center of flight schools in the region,” said Angara.

He also cited a report from the International Air Transport Association which projected that the center of aviation industry in the world is shifting toward India and East China. By 2010, it estimated that intra-Asia-Pacific travel will account for 33 percent of revenue. China recruits 1,000 pilots every year and India will need 4,000 in the next five years.

Angara had filed the proposed Civil Aviation Act of 2007 creating the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines which, he said, aims to provide safe and efficient management of services relating to aviation access in the Philippines. The regulatory agency, he added, is charged with creating and implementing rules that will promote the aviation industry in the country while emphasizing aviation safety at all times.

“Becoming the next flight-training capital in Asia is a golden opportunity for Philippine aviation, but in order to fully harness its possibilities, the country should be aptly tooled in providing safe and efficient aviation services,” said Angara.

leechtat

November 8th, 2007, 08:04 AM

wow.. but i have not yet visited the airport there. pictures please! :)

ianers_ianized

November 8th, 2007, 08:39 AM

this is true coz when I had my ojt at PAL's PLC they are also foreigners studying at their flight school.

ianers_ianized

November 8th, 2007, 09:03 AM

ok. now that i have put my eyes back into their sockets, wiped the drool on the floor and stuffed my tongue back into my mouth after seeing this website, i just have to share it with you guys. Take a look at this: http://www.changiairport.com/t3/

It's a shame that their terminal 3 is gonna be openning in January next year and we don't even have a definite date or assurance that ours will indeed be openning. And what's worse is that the construction of SIN T3 only started in 1999 whereas the construction of our T3 started way back in 1997. And their terminal 3 is twice the size of NAIA3. Ours can only accomodate 13M pax per annum whereas theirs can accommodate 22M. Yet they still will be able to open their facility earlier than ours. Heck our government could not even give us a detailed action plan. Its a shame that almost all if not all Philippine projects turn out bad due to corrupt officials and in NAIA3's case, corrupt and dishonest creatures.

Ok. I'm ranting. But i'm sure others share my sentiment. Granted that they can't open it immediately 'coz of pending court decisions, unfinished terminal, structural defects, yada yada yada. But the truth is, who made it like that? They were those cretins who ran the project. it shouldnt have been like that. All of these controversies could have been avoided. The NAIA 3 project is just one of many examples of how a good thing can turn bad in the Philippine setting. It's an absolute shame. If only Filipinos (yes, myself included) would think long term and always do whats best for everyone instead of always thinking selfishly with short term goals in mind, our country would be very different. The Philippines would have been prosperous, powerful, and respected by others. But instead, we area the laughing stock of other countries, our citizens are made fun of on national, international and cable TV (Desperate Housewives and The Late Show), and other countries think of us as just people who worships everything that they are and have.

But i guess the bottom line is...........we can only dream and hope. I think nobody here beleives that it could happen in the near future. Yes i know that their is nothing constant in this world but change, but then again, change doesn't happen overnight. It would really really take a lot of initiative and action by each Filipino if we want to sometime be considered at par with our SEAn neighbors. And another thing, that terminal of SIN reallly took my breath away. I still can't get over it.

it is indeed breath-taking, i like the ligthing concept and glass designs everything that is made of glass is a work of art. The virtual tour was really impressive kudos to SIN for having a world-class airport!

bustero

November 8th, 2007, 10:56 AM

Good for them.

PositiveThinker

November 8th, 2007, 05:04 PM

jbkayaker12

November 8th, 2007, 11:46 PM

crappypants

November 9th, 2007, 12:10 AM

and they cover each other's asses. and when they are caught and found guilty they are pardoned instantly.
oh well at least we have the richest politicians in the world at par or even richer with rich countries' politicians.

diz

November 9th, 2007, 02:22 AM

This better not be a november fool's joke. I would totally hunt you down..

:dance:

kiretoce

November 9th, 2007, 03:32 AM

^^ :lol:

dinabaw

November 9th, 2007, 03:44 AM

This better not be a november fool's joke. I would totally hunt you down..

:dance:

:lol:

bustero

November 9th, 2007, 05:37 AM

Huwag niyong pipikonin si Diz ha at mainit talaga dugo niya! :lol:

Anyway madaming rumours nga naman and it really fits PR if they can balance the baggage issue, it's not as if PR's 744's are not getting old! If they did not have the deposit with Boeing baka napaaga nga itong A380 (opinyon lang po- please no hunting)

Anyway back to topic , yes I think there may be something there in turning the RP into a training hub. I'm just a bit wary of statements from Omni Aviation as they may be doing a PR campaign to save their little airfield. CIAC wants it back because of some ICAO rule of no GA in Commercial Airports and Omni is resisting.

PositiveThinker

November 9th, 2007, 06:00 AM

Guys Never underestimate PAL capacity. Remember a decade ago
Boeing 747-400 was never in our mind can be purchased by PAL
and this is proof that our national flag carrier can do what they think
is feasible and make for them profit. Abangan na lang natin by
end 2008, we can see a brand new A380 right there in NAIA 3. :banana:

sasuke41

November 9th, 2007, 06:22 AM

hope this is really true

Guys Check here PAL's Breaking News:

There is a rumor from some PAL executives that they
already decided to acquire New plane the A380 by
Dec. 2008, so they furnished me a copy of the FLight
Simulator and the soon to be delivered PAL plane. :banana:

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc249/positivethinker_2007/A380FlightSimulator.jpg

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc249/positivethinker_2007/PAL1stA380.jpg

pi_malejana

November 9th, 2007, 06:58 AM

^^ wow.. your post really fits your username..:okay:

xXx carlos xXx

November 9th, 2007, 07:18 AM

City gov’t assures fund for DZR Airport rehab
By:

TACLOBAN CITY - The city government assured that they can finance the proposed P400 million counterpart to fuel the implementation of the P1.12 billion airport rehabilitation as they seek President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo’s nod today to locally undertake almost half of the airport development plan.

City Administrator Jimmy Yaokasin said that they will tap financial institutions and some local income to complete the fund requirement to push through with the airport development. The over P60 million remaining will be funded by the national government as proposed by City Mayor Alfred Romualdez.

The President, who is set to visit the city today en route to her engagements in Borongan City, Eastern Samar will have informal meeting with city government officials. The proposed plan will be presented in this meeting.

The proposal, which will be submitted to Pres. Arroyo, states that the local government counterpart will be utilized for the building of airport terminal building and parking area while the national government is tasked to rehabilitate the runway, acquire lots for expansion and other needed facilities.

“Public clamor has pushed us to locally undertake the project. The air traffic is increasing and we have to help address the problem,” said Yaokasin in an interview with Leyte Samar Daily Express.

He said that with the limited resources of the city government, the project will undergo a build-operate-transfer scheme.

“Our counterpart won’t affect the local government’s operation. It will be self-liquidating. Airport operate generates income,” he added.

The city administrator disclosed that he already talked to the top officials of the National Economic Development Authority (NEDA) and Department of Transportation and Communication Secretary Leandro Mendoza and they have supported the proposal.

“If the President agrees, it will make the process faster and we can start the project early next year,” Yaokasin said, adding that he’s confident that Arroyo will approve the proposal.

It can be recalled that despite exclusion of the P2.2 billion Tacloban Airport expansion from the Japan Bank for International Cooperation loan, the government is still determined to push through Airport development up to 2010.

“We can’t wait for a longer period to realize the project since we are a growing city,” the city administrator said.

According to the Air Transportation Office report, the number of passengers of airlines operating in Tacloban Airport has been increasing by 10% every year.

There was also an increase in traffic of private planes on chartered flights, general aviation and military flights.

Under the original plan which was approved by JBIC for funding in May 2001, the project is supposed to be completed September 2007. The proposed airport development project seeks to expand the airport to more than 100 hectares to cope with the increasing air traffic demand.

amigo32

November 9th, 2007, 07:27 AM

hehehe, that's positive thinking.

diz

November 9th, 2007, 08:07 AM

CarloPlyr440

November 9th, 2007, 09:09 AM

Will PAL Order A380 on March 2008?

Will DZR Airport in Tacloban becomes an International Airport?

PositiveThinker

November 9th, 2007, 12:08 PM

Guys and Fellow Filipinos see below figures:

Price Tag of A380: US$ 280 million:

PAL's revenue as of end March 2007: US$ 140 million

Do you think they cannot buy this Mega Plane???

:banana:

kiretoce

November 9th, 2007, 02:32 PM

^^ Maybe it's a Pinoy thing. Although, on my recent trip to Canada (Toronto), passengers also clapped upon touch-down. That doesn't happen often on flights here in the US.

Raven83

November 9th, 2007, 02:36 PM

^^ I know in Latin America they also happen to do that. I guess our latino trait at works? I have a video of long range Cubana flight from Buenos Aires to Havana and Aerolineas Argentinas from London Heathrow to Buenos Aires Ezeiza in which passengers clapped after landing. I understand the clapping though. Cubana uses Ilyushin Il-62 while AA uses 747-200's back then :lol:

paulkrps

November 9th, 2007, 02:54 PM

^^ Maybe it's a Pinoy thing. Although, on my recent trip to Canada (Toronto), passengers also clapped upon touch-down. That doesn't happen often on flights here in the US.

i remember having the same. almost always with flights landing in manila from singapore (i was always a regular trade show attendee). pinoys would clap their hands upon touchdown. heartwarming.

PositiveThinker

November 9th, 2007, 03:03 PM

This better not be a november fool's joke. I would totally hunt you down..

:dance:

If you will Not believe in yourself, No one will believe in you.
If you did not take a Risk, Risk will take care of You...:banana:

Solblanc

November 9th, 2007, 03:57 PM

Guys and Fellow Filipinos see below figures:

Price Tag of A380: US$ 280 million:

PAL's revenue as of end March 2007: US$ 140 million

Do you think they cannot buy this Mega Plane???

:banana:

Err, it isn't all about the revenue. Otherwise, PAL wouldn't be able to afford A320s and B777ERs. No airline ever pays cash for aircraft orders. The acquisition of aircraft lies in complex financing. Revenue can pay for orders, yes, but so can an IPO, direct investment, and loans. For PAL, it's a mix of all three.

If you'd look at four of PAL's B744s, PAL is still somewhat paying for them until now. The same will apply to future orders; the payments will be staggered over many years.

mambo

November 9th, 2007, 04:33 PM

i dont think pal will buy the a-380 in the near future, they already have 06 777-300-er on order, lease and option not to mention the a-320's they have previously ordered and due for delivery in the next few years and they have still 1B USD to pay their creditors thou theya are already on that path to exit rehab and steadily increasing revenues and profitability i dont beleive it has enough funds to finance another set of expensive aircrafts

kiretoce

November 9th, 2007, 04:50 PM

^^ They (PAL) already exited receivership, way in advance than what was expected.

Crazy4Airplanes

November 9th, 2007, 07:01 PM

hope this is really true

i don't think it is. sana totoo. pero i really doubt it. ordering that much planes for pal is very risky. it's gonna be 1998 all over again. and besides, wouldnt it be too short of a notice for airbus to make an a380 for pal? as in gusto nila by dec 2008 avl na yung plane? e di ba may backlog yung pag gawa ng mga planes. and nakapila yun.

WawaY[625]

November 9th, 2007, 07:12 PM

Will PAL Order A380 on March 2008?

Will DZR Airport in Tacloban becomes an International Airport?

ANO BANG PROBLEMA MO?!?!?!

:bash::bash::bash:

kiretoce

November 9th, 2007, 07:35 PM

^^ :lol: Getting on your nerves? Cool it Waway, just ignore it. No use getting all worked up for it.

WawaY[625]

November 9th, 2007, 07:41 PM

yeah, i guess ill add him on my ignore list na lang (first time i ever put someone on that list) :lol:

kiretoce

November 9th, 2007, 07:42 PM

^^ That's a great idea! :okay: Lucky him, he gets the honor of being the first on your ignore list. :lol:

heightdeprived

November 9th, 2007, 11:15 PM

Guys Check here PAL's Breaking News:

There is a rumor from some PAL executives that they
already decided to acquire New plane the A380 by
Dec. 2008, so they furnished me a copy of the FLight
Simulator and the soon to be delivered PAL plane. :banana:

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc249/positivethinker_2007/A380FlightSimulator.jpg

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc249/positivethinker_2007/PAL1stA380.jpg

Why not? After all, majority of PAL's fleet are Airbus aircraft, if there's another choice other than the B747 for the Very Large aircraft category, they can benefit from Airbus family of aircraft's commonality...

PositiveThinker

November 10th, 2007, 12:11 AM

ryanr

November 10th, 2007, 02:39 AM

^ Garuda Indonesia did not order any A380s

diz

November 10th, 2007, 03:19 AM

That's what I thought as well.

PositiveThinker

November 10th, 2007, 03:23 AM

^ Garuda Indonesia did not order any A380s

GreyX, Do not underestimate your Neighbor, They will announce it later.. :banana:

IAMME

November 10th, 2007, 03:32 AM

Hello! We are exploring the possibility of taking aerial photos and videos in Iloilo and Guimaras. Will it be cheaper to hire a helicopter or a light plane? Around how much will it cost for each? I last heard they charge on a per-hour basis. Is a helicopter too shaky to take shots from?

Onboard will be a photographer and a cameraman. I'm crossing my fingers I can hitch on the plane/helicopter, so make that three passengers. :lol:

pi_malejana

November 10th, 2007, 05:24 AM

^^ welcome to SSC "height"..!! :hi:

Crazy4Airplanes

November 10th, 2007, 05:48 AM

GreyX, Do not underestimate your Neighbor, They will announce it later.. :banana:

Ummm.......PositiveThinker, could it be that you just became too optimistic and a positive thinker thats why you are saying these things?

PositiveThinker

November 10th, 2007, 07:20 AM

Ummm.......PositiveThinker, could it be that you just became too optimistic and a positive thinker thats why you are saying these things?

It is better to be an optimistic than a pessimistic..right...Anyway..
let us be all think Positive than Negative.

Remember how the Peso Appreciate against the Dollar. By Dec. 2007
it will peg at Php. 38.00 to 39.00 to 1 US$. I bet on this....

Then.. PAL Next board meeting agenda is about buying the A380..

:banana:

kiretoce

November 10th, 2007, 07:42 AM

^^ I'd rather be "cautiously optimistic" with things.

ryanr

November 10th, 2007, 08:27 AM

GreyX, Do not underestimate your Neighbor, They will announce it later.. :banana:

I'm not underestimating. Just stating the facts. I'll gladly pull my comment once its official, but as for now, there are no news or evidence that Garuda and Airbus are even close to an A380 deal. I'm not being pessimistic as it is not true that "the deal is done".

ewh1

November 10th, 2007, 09:32 AM

Garuda is in SERIOUS financial difficulties
they haven't even recieved their new B777s (might be B787s.. not sure) and B737s yet even though they have been on order for awhile now..
i doubt they will be ordering them anytime soon especially after their massive route cutbacks. There would be no justification for them because, where are they flying to?

Solblanc

November 10th, 2007, 11:48 AM

Guys it is not a question of money but it is a prestige.
Among ASEAN member countries, we are lagging behind
on the latest commercial Jet acquisitions as I listed here
below:

Singapore First - A380
Thai Airways - Deal done
Malaysian Airways - Deal done
Indonesian Airlines (Garuda) - Deal done
Philippines - Under Review..(Final Announcement of order - April '08)
Brunei Air - Under review

:banana:

Okay...

I don't mean to be rude, but, well...

Only stupid megalomaniac airlines will order any aircraft out of prestige. There has to be a business case behind any aircraft order.

Garuda is definitely not getting the A380. If they're desperately looking for used 767s in order to cover the routes of the A330s that are about to be repossesed, I honestly doubt that the A380 is on their mind.

As for Royal Brunei, they're having enough trouble trying to fill their smaller planes. The oil is running out, and they're being a bit more wise with their purchases now.

PAL may be able to fill up an A380, but will they be able to do so profitably? Will the A380 fit well with PAL's operations in Manila? Only one airline has indicated that it wanted to serve PAL with the A380 (Emirates) and that's primarily because the government won't give them any more flights, so any expansion has to be because of bigger planes.

Anyway, the A380 isn't the be-all end-all of aviation. PAL will survive without it, and if they do get it, it'll only be because it's a profitable enterprise, and not because we're "lagging behind our neighbors". Do you really want PAL to be like Thai and MAS which are always making gaya-gaya Singapore Airlines? Until recently, MAS was bleeding money, thanks to so many 747s that they didn't really need, among other things. And Thai can't make up its mind on what their fleet should be like. Are those the role models for you? Singapore Airlines got where it is because they were smart with their cash, found innovative ways to be competitive, and they don't receive a cent from their government. I'd rather PAL copy that model and stay profitable than go back to the old days of flying empty 747s to London just so that they can say that they fly there.

kiretoce

November 10th, 2007, 02:51 PM

This is my opinion. The A380, though it is a nice aircraft, I personally think it's all hype. Once everyone stops dropping their jaws and wiping their drool off the floor, it'll just fade into the background and be an afterthought.

Raven83

November 10th, 2007, 04:17 PM

^^ Agree:D

Anyhow there's something new that I just found out. PAL's check in area in Chek Lap Kok have been moved into the brand new terminal 2:banana::banana:

http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070311/IMG_2173.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070311/IMG_2177.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070311/IMG_2176.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070311/IMG_2178.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070311/IMG_2183.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070311/IMG_2189.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070311/IMG_2186.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070311/IMG_2192.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070311/IMG_2196.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070311/IMG_2201.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070311/IMG_2202.jpg

http://www.globalphotos.org/hongkong/20070311/IMG_2203.jpg

more pics:banana: (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=12764966&postcount=544)

diz

November 10th, 2007, 10:26 PM

wow. ganda..

odyssey

November 11th, 2007, 03:07 AM

Hindi ako sasakay sa higanteng A380 na eroplano, kahit na libre pa, masama ang vibe ko dyan. And I know a lot of people who wouldn't take that giant too.
I'm waiting for that Dreamliner to arrive.

tigidig14

November 11th, 2007, 03:39 AM

^are you talking about htat movie w/jodie foster

mambo

November 11th, 2007, 08:07 AM

i would love to ride in a 380

habagatcentral1

November 11th, 2007, 02:25 PM

I've just checked the fares for domestic rates in CebuPacific and boy the rates has gone gaga over the X'mas season!!! Looks like I have to kiss Go Fares goodbye for X'mas. :cry:

pi_malejana

November 11th, 2007, 09:56 PM

^are you talking about htat movie w/jodie foster

flightplan? :lol: oo nga no..

pinas4real

November 11th, 2007, 10:04 PM

This could be our chance to be the next Singapore and Hong Kong.... I hope politics will not be blocking this chance. With NBN and not North Rail Transit issues, maybe the Chinese investors are thinking twice on this project...

portludlow

November 12th, 2007, 03:11 AM

Anybody knows which airport is this????

Hanjin wins $106 mln airport order from Philippines
http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryId=98850
Reuters

SEOUL - South Korea's Hanjin Heavy Industries & Construction Co Ltd. said on Monday it had won a $106.2 million airport construction deal from the Philippines.

Hanjin said in a filing with the Korea Exchange that it would complete the construction in 48 months.

AH-7Raja

November 12th, 2007, 03:46 AM

I brought up this issue before, & now i made a sketch based to what ive seen and partly remember from an engineer's plan a couple of years ago (it may not be the exact drawing):

http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v151/20/96/645611536/n645611536_447373_7904.jpg

Ideally, there would supposed to be a new proposal of building a huge airport at sangley point by reclaiming part of manila bay. Its huge because the AFP will be sharing part of the airport and seaport with a naval base. The chinese were not really part of the original planners to build this ambitious project, it was actually us, not unless if some of those "filipino chinese" businessmen who were part of original planners 10 or 15 yrs ago, are somehow connected with those present chinese who wanted to be part of building this airport.

The new highways, tunnels, and railway system proposals were also part of the original plans including the transformation of the NAIA into a new progressive and business hub downtown manila city. Unfortunately we might not gonna see all of these to be materialized because of the too much corruptions going on in the government.

Anyway, to me this plan is excellent, with those runways facing away from crowded highrise buildings even with the seaport and naval base located just right beside the new airport. Again, there are no official blueprints or renderings on this one.

We'll see... Slowly they are revealing this rumor bit by bits. You people will believe me one day.

:cheers:

AH-7Raja

November 12th, 2007, 04:30 AM

planned highways, rail system, airport, naval base and bridges:

http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v151/20/96/645611536/n645611536_447464_9664.jpg

stephencua

November 12th, 2007, 05:22 AM

i saw an article in the PDI earlier, it said that MIAA and cebu pacific are in talks for a new airport city.. it said that there are plans or negotiations for NAIA 1 to be turned into the airport city then NAIA 2 to be entirely domestic operations and NAIA 3 all international operations.. then plans to make a railway to link NAIA 2 and 3 for easier access.. but all the plans are still on hold due to the non-opening of NAIA 3.. im trying to find the article online but to no avail..

pinas4real

November 12th, 2007, 05:40 AM

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/news/breakingnews/view_article.php?article_id=100262

Cebu Pacific eyeing 'Airport City'--DoTC

By Riza T. Olchondra
Inquirer
Last updated 05:46pm (Mla time) 11/11/2007

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Close this MANILA, Philipines -- Cebu Pacific is lining up to invest in the commercial complex or "airport city" being planned for the Ninoy Aquino International Airport, Department of Transportation and Communication (DoTC) officials told the Philippine Daily Inquirer.

The Manila International Airport Authority (MIAA), the DOTC line agency that runs the airport, is planning to convert terminal 1 into a commercial complex when terminal 3 opens.

Transportation Secretary Leandro Mendoza said in a roundtable discussion with the Inquirer (parent company of INQUIRER.net) that the agency and Cebu Pacific were having exploratory talks for expanding the area devoted to commercial establishments in NAIA-1.

MIAA earlier said it was talking to two possible investors but Mendoza said he was not aware of any other investor in active discussions about the airport city at this time.

"Anyway, the talks with Cebu Pacific are still in the early stages. There may be more prospective investors," Mendoza said.

Earlier, MIAA general manager Alfonso Cusi told reporters that an initial study conducted by his agency found out that the terminals' economic potential could be maximized by turning NAIA-1 into an "airport city" and then dedicating NAIA-2 to domestic flights and NAIA-3 to international services. The Manila Domestic Airport can then be used for general aviation.

Cusi said the plan would also put the airport complex at par with those of other countries in Asia, such as Japan and South Korea, especially if the three terminals could be connected by rail.

But Miaa is taking its time to carefully finalize the details for the funding and the possible investors for the "airport city" project since NAIA-3's opening has been postponed many times because of legal battles.

diz

November 12th, 2007, 05:45 AM

That's the best news of the year for me.

stephencua

November 12th, 2007, 06:19 AM

^^ thats the article i was referring to.. :)

diz

November 12th, 2007, 06:36 AM

^^ thats the article i was referring to.. :)

Thanks for mentioning it tho. It really explained it all and ended my confusion from reading the long article. :lol:

Anyway, this indeed sounds like a really great plan. Now all I wish for is that they open T3 and that they paint either the new terminal white or T2 black. :)

Jarvijarv

November 12th, 2007, 09:38 AM

Any speicifics on the 'Airport City'? is it a mall, office space, junction point....in relation to NAIA 2 & 3?

diz

November 12th, 2007, 10:34 AM

it should be a park. no office space so close to a runway...

bustero

November 12th, 2007, 11:04 AM

hehe was thinking of this exactly : what is an airport city.

really sounds very much like a 5J terminal!

But I'm curious how they plan to integrate domestic and international in such a small podium. Perhaps they plan to enlarge it.

With quick turnaround for the LCC and small planes they can convert the two extended satellite into 6 tube mini terminals one for domestic and one for international , and just put a separate walkway for domestic so the immigration controls for International will go through but what about arrival. Not so easy. Plus it's good for 4 million originally bursting now at 6 million??? 5J has nearly 40 planes in 4 -5 years so where they going to put these guys. Looks like an airport hell but maybe their philosophy is LCC kami so you get what you pay for ala Ryan Air. hehe.

The part I like is that they'll continue the rail link with all terminals now that is an idea whose time is NOW.

flymordecai

November 12th, 2007, 12:10 PM

They should renovate T1 first before creating such plans, as in give it the whole conservation "makeover" without losing the building's character.

mygz14

November 12th, 2007, 01:05 PM

dinabaw

November 12th, 2007, 01:58 PM

Metro (as of 11/12/2007 6:12 PM)

Solon eyes ban on kites, balloons near airfields

Davao Rep. Prospero Nograles has filed a bill that seeks to ban and penalize flying of kites, balloons and other flying toys near and around the airfields and bases that may cause harm to aircraft, a report on the House of Representatives Web site said Monday.

House Bill 2654 penalizes any offender a minimum of six years to a maximum of twelve years imprisonment and a fine of not less than P100,000. In case the aircraft met an accident caused by flying kites, balloons or any other toys such as rockets, violators shall be punished with a minimum of twelve years to maximum of twenty years imprisonment and a fine of not less than P1 million.

Nograles said there is a need to enhance the safety and security awareness in the country’s airstrips, airports, airfields and air bases in order to avoid another occurrence of the recent crash of a Philippine Air Force UH-H helicopter in Lapu-Lapu City, Cebu.

An investigation revealed that a kite string found inside the aircraft’s swash plate, a part of the rotor system, caused the accident.

Nograles said parents of minors responsible for any air accidents as a result of flying kites and balloons or playing rockets shall pay the amount equivalent to the cost of the aircraft in case it was totally damaged, or its repair if its partially damaged.

Nograles said the violator will also pay the amount of not less than P100,000 plus the cost of funeral expenses of any person who died due to accident involving kites, balloons and unmanned rockets.

In case the accident caused injuries to passengers or crew, the violator shall pay not less than P50,000 plus the cost of hospitalization and other damages covered by the Civil Code.

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryId=98893

Halawala

November 12th, 2007, 02:04 PM

Guys and Fellow Filipinos see below figures:

Price Tag of A380: US$ 280 million:

PAL's revenue as of end March 2007: US$ 140 million

Do you think they cannot buy this Mega Plane???

:banana:

:lol::lol::lol: Its just doesnt fit this way...
PAL chose the 77W as its backbone long haul fleet instead of the double-deacker. A380 costs much more than $280m for each plane, plus it doesnt fit into their plans and operations.

AH-7Raja

November 12th, 2007, 03:43 PM

I can see that the rumored BCRMeX (C-6) is illustrated in your sketch. Also, the reclamation plans for the airport/seaport is also illustrated. If this plan would push through, it would put Cavite back in the World Map, again as a Ship Building facility just like before when Spanish Galleons were made at Fort San Felipe. Awesome and superb! Cheers! :cheers:

If that happened the government might take the new airport area within metro manila too like what some countries does including canada's pearson intl airport in mississauga now under metro toronto area.

Yup. The underground tunnels itself is amazing and very ambitious as it crosses the manila bay under water. I was thinking that what if they can extend the EDSA highway westward upto the new airport in the future and build it underground as well with a light rail system on it? Nice eh? I hope mrs glo will do something to push through this huge infrastructure project and put not only the cavite city but the whole philippines back to the map and be the next tiger economy in asia! I suggest while their building and upgrading the macapagal intl airport, start building the new sangley point airport with an expandable design so in the future the philippines can simply upgrade it and reactivate that shelved plans to make that sketch come true. :cheers:

Bo B

November 12th, 2007, 06:39 PM

Hindi ako sasakay sa higanteng A380 na eroplano, kahit na libre pa, masama ang vibe ko dyan. And I know a lot of people who wouldn't take that giant too.
I'm waiting for that Dreamliner to arrive.

Me too! I prefer flying with a Boeing aircraft. I feel a lot safer knowing they have a lot of experience making planes and don't have problems with their FBW system.

stephencua

November 13th, 2007, 02:11 AM

@bustero - yeah it does sound like a 5j terminal.. but that would be for the best if its in NAIA right? at least they want to make improvements and are willing to shell out money for it.. (i think) as for DMIA, that is a whole different situation entirely..

bustero

November 13th, 2007, 05:02 AM

^^no problem as long as they pay for it and put that rail link (specially to mrt3!) now that would make it really worthwhile!

mwg12a

November 13th, 2007, 08:28 AM

I think it's a good idea to turn NAIA 1 into an LCC or be operated by 5J for it's international and domestic flights. However, PAL would probably push for their own thing even more and that is to keep all their operations all in one roof. And we all know how they want it to happen... it will be all in T3 once it openned!! I doubt if T2 will be able to sustain itself with just air Philippines and SeaAir operating there.

ianers_ianized

November 13th, 2007, 09:34 AM

^^^ i think its better if all domestic will hub in T2. But surely pal's domestic will house in T3

xzibit31

November 13th, 2007, 10:11 AM

City identified as new hub
By Carmelito Q. Francisco
Mindanao Times

CEBU PACIFIC has announced its plan of making the city as its hub as it opens three new routes involving the city next year.

Lance Y. Gokongwei, president and chief executive officer of the company, said the flights will start in May with the destinations as Hong Kong, Singapore and Iloilo.

In doing this, the company will station an A319 aircraft, a 150-seater plane, complete with crewmembers, ground personnel and other incidental human resources, Gokongwei said in a press conference at the Davao International Airport.

Cebu Pacific is already the biggest airline serving Davao City with the most flights, most destinations and most routes and the lowest year-round fares. This encouraged us to set up our third base of operations here and development it into another gateway for the country,” he said, pointing out at the company has stationed 12 aircraft in Manila and another three in Cebu.

With these new routes being served, the airline company will have six domestic direct domestic flights from the city and two international flights. This will also mean 23 connecting domestic flights and seven international flights.

Asked on why the company decided to fly Davao to Hong Kong and Singapore, Mr. Gokongwei said the company, has an average of 75 percent load factor in its Cebu-Hong Kong and Cebu-Singapore flights, with about 30 percent coming from Davao City.

Its flight between Davao and Singapore, which starts on May 8, will be a three times a week schedule every Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday.

Its four times a week Davao-Hong Kong flight will start on May 9 with the Monday-Wednesday-Friday-Saturday schedule. The Davao-Iloilo flight will also start on May 8 on a thrice-a-week schedule every Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday.

Seat rates for the three destinations are P999 each for Singapore and Hong Kong for those seats put on sale, and P98 for the Iloilo flight. The company is selling the tickets between November 13 to 20 for flights on May 8 to July 31.

Regular seat rates will be P288 for the Davao-Iloilo route, P1,499 for the Davao-Hong Kong route and P1,999 for the Davao-Singapore route. All rates exclude fuel and tax charges.

The making of the city into a hub of the airline means that it will be “developed into a gateway” into the Philippines, particularly Mindanao and that this will result in additional inter-island connectivity, he added. “This will make the Philippines, and more specifically Mindanao,” a more attractive destination,” he said, adding that what has prevented the company from implementing more flights in the island is the lack of aircraft, he said.

From its 15 aircraft this year, the company is increasing the number to 19 next year, including the aircraft that it will place in the city, he said.

ngprofflorida

November 13th, 2007, 01:57 PM

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12 November 2007
PAL hikes flights for X’mas holidays

Philippine Airlines is increasing flights to key international and domestic routes to accommodate the upsurge in demand in advance of the peak Christmas travel season.

For international flights, PAL’s decision to mount additional flights to the U.S. West Coast, Australia, Bangkok and Singapore will boost the flag carrier’s available capacity in time for the holidays.

Starting Nov. 25, PAL will add two flights per week between Manila and Los Angeles, while an extra weekly flight between Manila and San Francisco will be operated starting on the same date.

This will raise total frequency on the West Coast routes from the current 17 to 20 flights weekly – with eleven flights between Manila and Los Angeles and nine flights between Manila and San Francisco.

Two additional weekly flights will likewise be mounted between Manila and Melbourne/Sydney starting Nov. 26, raising total frequency to Australia to five times a week.

Meanwhile, PAL’s services to Bangkok and Singapore will get the biggest boost with the planned deployment of three more flights a week for each route starting Nov. 30. With the new frequencies, PAL’s service to Bangkok increases to ten times weekly, while the service to Singapore will have a total of seventeen flights per week.

On the domestic front, the daily Butuan service will be augmented, starting Nov. 20, by an earlier flight every Wednesday, Friday and Sunday, raising total frequency from seven to ten times weekly.

PAL’s services to Bacolod and Cagayan de Oro will increase by two flights a week as well, raising total frequency for each route to 27 times weekly.
Likewise, frequencies to Legazpi and Puerto Princesa will increase from seven to ten flights weekly while Davao and Tacloban receive eight and seven more weekly flights, respectively.
Meanwhile, PAL reminds the riding public to check in as early as two hours before their scheduled flight time in view of the anticipated congestion at the airport during this busy travel season.

PAL’s check-in counters at Centennial Terminal 2 of the Nino Aquino International Airport in Manila are open to serve passengers as early as 2:00 a.m. for domestic flights and 4:00 a.m. for international flights, daily.
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WE ALREADY PROVEN NEGROS IS MORE THAN JUST SUGAR IT IS AN ADVENTURE

CarloPlyr440

November 13th, 2007, 02:24 PM

NAIA 1 Will be refurbished And NAIA Will be Secondary Airport to DMIA

kiretoce

November 13th, 2007, 05:15 PM

^^ Johnny come lately? :sly:

mwg12a

November 14th, 2007, 02:14 AM

NAIA 1 Will be refurbished And NAIA Will be Secondary Airport to DMIA

Paging Dr Phil or Dr Greg... patient on the loose, 911 please, this one needs an immediate lobotomy..LMAO

kiretoce

November 14th, 2007, 04:04 AM

The A380 landed here in Orlando this afternoon, at Orlando International Airport. Took an extremely extended lunch break just to see it in person (too bad my digicam batteries weren't charged, so not photos :(). That thing's freakin' huge! And quite quiet too (both during landing and taxiing). :shocked:

Raven83

November 14th, 2007, 04:15 AM

^^ Quiet? What do you think is the engine Rolls Royce or Engine Alliance?

kiretoce

November 14th, 2007, 04:25 AM

^^ Quiet, relatively speaking, not totally silent of course. My vantage point was quite a ways off from the runway, but I think I saw the RR logo on one of the engines.

AH-7Raja

November 14th, 2007, 04:57 AM

matagal nayang plano na ikonvert ang NAIA I. actually the original plan is to convert the whole airport into a new downtown manila, pero dahil daw sa lack of investors, di natuloy...pero mukhang unti unti na nilang binubuhay ang plano... susunodsunorin na nila ang mga terminals and in 25 yrs cguro sarado na buong NAIA, pero gawa muna sila syempre ng isa pang airport near manila dahil ang macapagal ay kulang sa space, tsaka hindi ganun ka-expandable ang airport doon... the new location of that future airport may be the one insangley point...i overheard na gagawin nilang expandable design yung gagawin ng mga intsik doon pagmatuloy ang plano nila.... :)

tisoycuba

November 14th, 2007, 05:18 AM

Crazy4Airplanes

November 14th, 2007, 05:36 AM

BoNduRanT

November 14th, 2007, 03:26 PM

^^ Quiet, relatively speaking, not totally silent of course. My vantage point was quite a ways off from the runway, but I think I saw the RR logo on one of the engines.

Even the EA engine was quieter than normal when the A380 landed sa DMIA. Even when it was making its fly by around DMIA, walang masyadong ingay - mas maingay pa yung jets ng US. When it was taxiing to the apron, I cant recall hearing too much engine noise considering our proximity to the aircraft. Di kaya masyado lang ako fixated visually sa laki kaya di na gumana yung hearing senses ko? :lol:

kiretoce

November 14th, 2007, 03:38 PM

Even the EA engine was quieter than normal when the A380 landed sa DMIA. Even when it was making its fly by around DMIA, walang masyadong ingay - mas maingay pa yung jets ng US. When it was taxiing to the apron, I cant recall hearing too much engine noise considering our proximity to the aircraft. Di kaya masyado lang ako fixated visually sa laki kaya di na gumana yung hearing senses ko? :lol:

How close were you Zach? I was about a hundred fifty yards away from the aircraft and I didn't hear a loud roar from the engines as they revved it up towards the parking stand. Even from that far, that thing is enormous! Though it sorely lacks style points compared to the elegant and classic look of the B747. :colgate:

BoNduRanT

November 14th, 2007, 03:56 PM

Less than 50 meters I think, Im not sure.

Heres a pic. Di yan nakazoom. We were behind the fence/gates when it was still moving to its display position.
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3/abercromb24/AirbusA380Clark10122007/airbusa280clarkairport10122007la-14.jpg

pi_malejana

November 14th, 2007, 10:06 PM

just heard...

United and Delta are planning on combining that would keep the United name and HQ in Chicago.. hmm..

kiretoce

November 14th, 2007, 10:38 PM

^^ It's not final, stockholders of both carriers are just urging the two companies to merge. If they do, it'll be the largest US domestic carrier. No complaints from me though, I'm a frequent flyer on both. :okay:

Ex!lE

November 15th, 2007, 02:36 AM

Domestic air travel soars on cheap fares, more seats (http://http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2007/nov/15/yehey/business/20071115bus2.html)

By Darwin G. Amojelar Reporter

DOMESTIC air travel in the Philippines continued to soar at end-September as carriers offer more seat capacity and cheaper fares.

The Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB) said domestic passengers jumped 23.2 percent to 7.69 million in the first nine months of the year from 6.24 million in the same period last year.

The country’s five major carriers’ seat capacity grew 16 percent to 9.8 million from last year’s 8.51 million, resulting in an average passenger load factor of 78 percent.

The industry’s increasing load factor reflects a steady growth in passenger demand.

In the third quarter alone, 2.53 million passengers were recorded from 2.09 million in the same period last year.

Cebu Pacific again trumped rival Philippine Airlines (PAL), as the Gokongwei family-owned airline carried more passengers at 3.33 million against the Lucio Tan-owned carrier’s 2.97 million.

Cebu Pacific had a load factor of 83 percent during the period, against PAL’s 79 percent.

Cebu Pacific reported revenues of P10.89 billion, a 61.1 percent increase from last year’s P6.76 billion brought about by more passengers. PAL earned a profit of $34.5 million in the April to June period.

PAL’s budget unit, Air Philippines, flew 835,071 passengers; Asian Spirit, 366,443; and Southeast Asian Airlines (SEAIR), 186,573 passengers.

The CAB said the country’s air travel industry is likely to grow 7 percent this year.

Airlines’ cargo business also grew 7 percent to 102.29 million kilograms in the first nine months from 8.52 million in the same period last year.

PAL carried 44.6 million kilograms, followed by Cebu Pacific, 39.18 million; Pacific East Asia Cargo, 9.77 million; Air Philippines, 8.57 million; and Seair, 166,634.

pi_malejana

November 15th, 2007, 07:03 AM

sir 'kiretoce'(i feel awkward typing your username with a sir:)) i just heard again they deny those claims..:(
is AA the present dominating airline here?

kiretoce

November 15th, 2007, 07:18 AM

^^ AA is the largest US carrier in terms of fleet size and number of passengers flown annually.

By the way, you can just call me by my first name, it's KIMBER. :colgate:

Chrisvenz

November 15th, 2007, 11:51 AM

just heard...

United and Delta are planning on combining that would keep the United name and HQ in Chicago.. hmm..

mas maganda siguro pa nag merge ung name ng UNITED AIRLINE at DELTA AIRLINE at magiging UNITED DELTA AIR...:lol:

dinabaw

November 15th, 2007, 12:06 PM

kiretoce

November 15th, 2007, 03:42 PM

^^ Nothing's been decided, nor has anything been put through the motions of a merger between the two carriers. One thing I'm more concerned about/interested in, are their respective airline alliances. DL is a member of Sky Team while UA belongs to Star Alliance, if a merger does happen, which airline will leave which alliance?

Skyblade

November 15th, 2007, 07:43 PM

so it will be United Delta or Delta United ? :)

How does Del-ited sound? :nuts:

kiretoce

November 15th, 2007, 08:15 PM

Or....

Unidel
Deluni
Tated
Tedta
Unita
Delted
Tauni
Teddel

:rofl:

tigidig14

November 16th, 2007, 02:15 AM

^^ AA is the largest US carrier in terms of fleet size and number of passengers flown annually.

By the way, you can just call me by my first name, it's KIMBER. :colgate:

kala ko united because theyre just so many here

kiretoce

November 16th, 2007, 02:31 AM

^^ That's because UA's parent hub is ORD (Chicago-O'Hare). Though AA also has a hub in ORD, it's parent hub is in DFW (Dallas-Fort Worth).

pi_malejana

November 16th, 2007, 05:23 AM

thanks.. Kimber..:)
at first i though it was southwest, un kasi nakikita ko palagi here in L.I.

kiretoce

November 16th, 2007, 05:27 AM

^^ L.I. = Long Island? You must live near Islip right? That's one of WN's (Southwest Airlines) destination airports that serves the NYC/Tri-State area.

pi_malejana

November 16th, 2007, 05:31 AM

yup.. McArthur airport.. wonder if there are SSC forumer's here.. (NYS at least):lol:
i've seen small Delta A. planes come by but not as frequent as SW..

kiretoce

November 16th, 2007, 05:36 AM

^^ Lili and Askal82 are from NYC, forgot which borough though.

pi_malejana

November 16th, 2007, 05:46 AM

^^ not familiar with 'm, i'm sure busy yang mga yan..:lol:
look at the time.. gtg.. night...:)

a s i a n a

November 16th, 2007, 12:28 PM

SKYTEAM WELCOMES CHINA SOUTHERN AIRLINES AS FIRST CHINESE CARRIER (http://www.skyteam.com/EN/aboutSkyteam/pressCenter/pr151107.jsp)

http://www.skyteam.com/img/aboutSkyteam/skyteamImages/images_aircraft_china4_p.jpg
SkyTeam Becomes First Alliance to Add Carrier from Mainland China

BEIJING, November 15, 2007 - Today China Southern Airlines officially became the 11th full member of SkyTeam, making the alliance the first to welcome a carrier from mainland China. China is one of the fastest growing aviation markets in the world and the addition of China Southern allows SkyTeam to provide its customers around the world with greater travel options to one of the world's top tourist destinations.

With the addition of China Southern Airlines, SkyTeam now serves approximately 428 million annual passengers through a worldwide system of nearly 16,400 daily flights covering 841 destinations in 162 countries. China Southern, with the most extensive airline route network in China, operates the largest and most advanced airline fleet in th country. The carrier is also widely recognized for its safety and customer service standards, and was honored with the Three-Star Safety Award by the Civil Aviation Administration of China in 2006 - the most prestigious award in safe flight operations in the Chinese aviation industry.

"We are excited to welcome China Southern Airlines, one of Asia's largest and leading carriers, into our network," said Leo van Wijk, chairman of the SkyTeam Governing Board. "This move allows us to offer our customers unparalleled access to the markets they want to reach. Offering the highest flight frequencies in China, China Southern's membership strengthens the alliance's position in serving the world's fastest growing markets."

The addition of China Southern also bolsters the alliance's global hub network with the addition of Baiyun International Airport, a well-positioned, modern hub in Guangzhou, and Beijing Capital International Airport. China Southern is the first carrier in China to operate its own terminal at Beijing Capital International Airport, China's busiest hub.

"SkyTeam is known for its unrivaled global connectivity and as a member, we can better serve our customers, particularly as the 2008 Beijing Olympics approach," said Liu Shao Yong, Chairman of China Southern Airlines, at a welcome ceremony in Beijing. "China Southern's extensive intra-Asia network serves as a powerful link in SkyTeam's robust global network," added Mr. Liu.

The welcome ceremony, which took place at Great Hall of the People in Beijing, was attended by Liu Shao Yong, Chairman of China Southern Airlines; Yang Yuanyuan, director, Civil Aviation Administration of China, General Administration; Leo van Wijk, SkyTeam Governing Board Chairman; as well as Yang Ho Cho, Chairman and CEO of Korean Air; and other SkyTeam representatives.

China Southern Airlines made significant progress and fulfilled all SkyTeam alliance membership requirements since signing a memorandum for membership in August 2004. The carrier earned recognition as a SkyTeam member airline after reaching a number of agreements with each of the alliance member carriers, including bilateral codesharing, frequent flyer and lounge agreements.

About China Southern Airlines
The largest airline in The People's Republic of China for the past 28 years, China Southern Airlines - www.cs-air.com/en - connects more than 162 cities around the globe. Major business and vacation destinations served in China include: Beijing, Chengdu, Guangzhou, Guilin, Hong Kong, Kunming, Shanghai, Shenzhen and Wuhan and as well as International service, including: Amsterdam, Bangkok, Fukuoka, Hanoi, Ho Chi Minh City, Islamabad, Kuala Lumpur, Jakarta, Los Angeles, Manila, Melbourne, Moscow, Osaka, Paris, Penang, Phnom Penh, Seoul, Singapore, Sydney and Tokyo.

About SkyTeam
SkyTeam is the global airline alliance partnering ten members, including Aeroflot, Aeroméxico, Air France, Alitalia, China Southern Airlines, Continental Airlines, Czech Airlines, Delta Air Lines, KLM Royal Dutch Airlines, Korean Air and Northwest Airlines, and three Associate Airlines: Air Europa (Spain), Copa Airlines (Panama) and Kenya Airways. Through one of the world's most extensive hub networks, SkyTeam offers its 428 million annual passengers a worldwide system of 16,400 daily flights covering 841 destinations in 162 countries. www.skyteam.com.

ngprofflorida

November 16th, 2007, 12:45 PM

Bacolod City, Philippines Friday, November 16, 2007

DOTC: New airport to
open in December
BY CARLA GOMEZ
The P4.3 billion New Bacolod-Silay Airport is expected to begin operations by Christmas, a Department of Transportation and Communication official, said yesterday.

And the old airport in Bacolod City is scheduled to be shut down the day after the opening of the new airport, Director Edgar Mangalili, head of the DOTC airport special projects, said yesterday.

However, the opening date will depend on the availability of President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo for the inauguration, Mangalili informed Gov. Joseph Marañon.

The new airport in Silay City , originally scheduled for opening on Nov. 28, has a runway length of 2,000 meters and will be able to accommodate Airbus 330 planes that carry more than 300 passengers.

The Bacolod airport has a capacity for Airbus 320 flights with passengers of 140 to 160.

The 500 meter runway extension sought by Bacolod Rep. Monico Puentevella will begin at a later date, he said.

The new airport of international standards was originally planned to cater to domestic flights and it is up to the Air Transportation Office and the Civil Aeronautics Board to allow it to open up to international flights, Mangalili said.

Flight tests at the new airport have been completed and one of the requirements for its opening is the international publication of all of the data about the new airport, including location and coordinates, he said.

This is still being undertaken by the ATO, he said.

A Central Negros Electric Cooperative sub-station also needs to be put up to cater to the power needs at the airport.

Meanwhile, the widening and concreting of the McKinley Road in Silay that leads to the new airport is only 23 percent done as work on it is being hampered by rains, he said.

It is expected to be completed in February, and part of its budget covers street lighting, he said.

Even if the road work is not completed by the opening date of the airport, it is passable, Mangalili said.

The work on the road will cost P100 million that is awaiting approval by the National Economic Development Authority, although an internal agreement for its okay has already been made, he said.

Mangalili, said the improvement of the McKinley road was originally expected to be undertaken by the Silay local government unit but it was not carried out by the LGU, perhaps due to lack of funds.

Meanwhile, the extension of the Bacolod circumferential road to the Silay airport as sought by Puentevella is expected to be undertaken by the Department of Public Works and Highways starting next year, Mangalili said.

The 10 kilometer extension is expected to be funded by the Korean Export Import Bank, he added.

Gov. Joseph Marañon said he has no objection to the new airport opening in December, in fact he said it should have opened earlier.

The site of the new airport is nice, all airports now are located out of the city, he said.

He said he will discuss with concerned officials the setting up of affordable transportation for those using the Silay airport, such as the setting up of shuttle buses.*CPG

Ex!lE

November 16th, 2007, 06:10 PM

Airbus hails record year in battle of the skies (http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2007/nov/17/yehey/business/20071117bus9.html)

DUBAI: European aircraft manufacturer Airbus, emerging from the most turbulent period in its history, hailed a record year for orders with deals for well over 1,100 new planes on its books.

Airbus announced at the Dubai air show it won new orders for more than 150 planes from expansion-hungry regional airlines and leasing companies, adding to a bonanza deal with the booming Gulf emirate’s flag carrier Emirates on Sunday.

In the biggest deal for Airbus, it secured a letter of intent from Dubai leasing firm DAE Capital to buy 100 planes worth $13.5 billion.

But underscoring the fierce battle for the skies, DAE—a company hoping to become a world leader in its own field—also said it would order another 100 aircraft from Airbus’s American rival Boeing for $13.7 billion.

Nevertheless, Airbus was the bigger winner on Monday. It secured a $3.5- billion order for 34 A320s from Emirates-based budget carrier Air Arabia and an option for another 15.

Saudi Arabian Airlines also signed a letter of intent to buy 22 A320s valued at $1.7 billion—the first time the airline has bought from the European firm in more than 20 years.

And Saudi billionaire Prince Walid bin Talal, one of the world’s richest men, became the first private client for the Airbus A380 superjumbo, dubbed a “Flying Palace.”

Airbus sales chief John Leahy said he expected the airline to receive similar orders from wealthy individuals in the oil-rich region for the gigantic double-decker plane, the largest commercial airliner ever built.
--AFP

davaoeagle

November 16th, 2007, 11:28 PM

Headlines
Open skies soon a reality (http://www.philstar.com/index.php?Headlines&p=49&type=2&sec=24&aid=20071116144)
By Rainier Allan Ronda
Saturday, November 17, 2007

The Department of Transportation and Communications (DOTC) believes that the ASEAN (Association of Southeast Asian Nations) multilateral air services agreement paving the way for an ASEAN “open skies” policy will soon be forged among the member-countries of the regional alliance.

Transportation Undersecretary for Air Edward Harun Pagunsan said recently that discussions among ASEAN transportation officials resulted in a decision that the pact would be signed by the heads of state of the member-countries.

“It might soon happen. It will not be an agreement signed by subordinate transport ministers. It will be an agreement of heads of state,” Pagunsan said.

It was learned that the pact will initially cover “capital cities” of the ASEAN member-countries.

“ASEAN is eyeing already all-unlimited traffic between capital cities and the next step, open traffic in all cities, and the next step will be open 5th freedom to all ASEAN nations,” Pagunsan said.

Transportation and Communications Secretary Leandro Mendoza, for his part, said the forthcoming implementation of the ASEAN “open skies” will force local air carriers to shape up and be ready for the stiff competition from the giant air carriers of other ASEAN countries.

“We’re hopeful that our local carriers will be competitive,” Mendoza said.

bustero

November 17th, 2007, 04:29 AM

Boy this is a big deal if this happens , i hope 5J is ready for Air Asia and as for us looks like regionally we're going to get a whole bunch of cheap flights very soon ! :)

GearX

November 17th, 2007, 07:22 AM

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x287/GearX_2007/another/RP_airportscopy-1.gif

GearX

November 17th, 2007, 07:29 AM

Philippine Airports with the Longest Runways

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x287/GearX_2007/another/airport1.gif

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x287/GearX_2007/another/airport2.gif

Philippine Airports with the Highest Elevation

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x287/GearX_2007/another/airport3.gif

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x287/GearX_2007/another/airport4.gif

source1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_airports_in_the_Philippines)
source2 (http://www.world-airport-codes.com/)

Arkdriver

November 18th, 2007, 04:40 AM

oz.fil

November 18th, 2007, 08:15 AM

^^ thats harsh

Chrisvenz

November 18th, 2007, 12:09 PM

jogavilz

November 18th, 2007, 03:46 PM

a s i a n a

November 18th, 2007, 04:43 PM

From the Inquirer travel section:

PR to launch twice weekly charter flights to Jeju Island, Korea from December 15-January 12.

mambo

November 18th, 2007, 06:51 PM

pi_malejana

November 19th, 2007, 05:56 AM

maganda ba talaga ang quality of education ng mga aviation schools dito sa pinas? kasi i want to learn here, pero my folks told me na i should get another course to be able to go to the states, then learn flying there kasi di daw maganda schools dito......i need an answer to convince my folks that i can learn aviation here in the philippines. is there a BIG difference kung di ako dito mag-aral ng aviation?........help me......:?

i also had to go through that..:lol: had to take community college first to help me get decided..:) i'm really considering going back there but they said 't would be costly since i had to go back and forth to renew me visa.. i miss RP tho..:)

mwg12a

November 19th, 2007, 11:35 AM

ang 5J ba bibili ng B747-400 para sa kanilang international flight para sa Los Angeles???

A major overhaul of the narrow-bodied fleet includes the phase out all remaining Boeing 737 aircraft by October 2007, maintaining instead a fleet of 20 brand-new Airbus A320-family aircraft from 2008 onwards. The wide-bodied fleet plan also looks to increase the current medium-haul fleet of eight Airbus A330 with two additional mid-range aircraft between 2007 and 2009, and the long-haul fleet of five Boeing 747 and four Airbus A340 with six additional long-range aircraft between 2007 and 2011.

I don't think 5j have any immediate plan in servicing north america since they are concentrating mostly within the region and more domestic routes. I think this was discussed before in this thread and some even posted some articles about 5J stand on servincing a long haul flights such as North American continents. This is the reason that 5j is using their A320/319 fleets on their new routes in asia otherwise, if they should wide bodied fleet, they could have ordered and received atleast one or two A330 aircrafts.

if you have a real credible sources for these, please, by all means, share it with us, we would love to hear good news on 5J's future plans.

maganda ba talaga ang quality of education ng mga aviation schools dito sa pinas? kasi i want to learn here, pero my folks told me na i should get another course to be able to go to the states, then learn flying there kasi di daw maganda schools dito......i need an answer to convince my folks that i can learn aviation here in the philippines. is there a BIG difference kung di ako dito mag-aral ng aviation?........help me......:?

From my understanding and base from how the filipino pilots or any airline workers landing jobs overseas, the Philippine trained pilot is as good as any aviation schools all over the world. If you become a commercial airlines pilot, even if you work with PAL, you will make real good money in that field that you don't have to leave the country or immigrate elsewhere. US pilots alone were being recruited overseas and they have been grabbing these opportunities because the salary being offered in places like UAE, India, thailand and a few others are actually much higher than in the US itself. So, go with on with your gut feelings. Airline Pilot is a very lucrative job/profession and seing the world for business and leisure is not at all impossible. Go for it kid!, you're on the right tract....

GearX

November 19th, 2007, 12:05 PM

Private plane bumagsak sa Davao, piloto patay

NILINAW ng Air Transportation Office na hindi isang passenger aircraft ng Asian Spirit ang bumagsak sa Mindanao ngayong umaga.

Sa report ng dzRH, sinabi ng ATO na isang private plane at hindi isang passenger aircraft ng Asian Spirit ang bumagsak sa Davao del Norte kaninang pasado alas-8 ng umaga.

“Nagkataon lang na noong naiulat na may sumabog at bumagsak na aircraft sa karagatan ay kaka-airborne lang ng Asian Spirit flight 320,” ayon sa ATO.

Ang bumagsak anilang private plane ay nag-iispray ng insecticide sa isang plantation sa Davao.

Nasawi raw sa insidente ang piloto ng eroplano na si Capt. Rico Pajucom.

source (http://www.journal.com.ph/index.php?issue=2007-11-19&sec=2&aid=39456)

jogavilz

November 19th, 2007, 12:14 PM

From my understanding and base from how the filipino pilots or any airline workers landing jobs overseas, the Philippine trained pilot is as good as any aviation schools all over the world. If you become a commercial airlines pilot, even if you work with PAL, you will make real good money in that field that you don't have to leave the country or immigrate elsewhere. US pilots alone were being recruited overseas and they have been grabbing these opportunities because the salary being offered in places like UAE, India, thailand and a few others are actually much higher than in the US itself. So, go with on with your gut feelings. Airline Pilot is a very lucrative job/profession and seing the world for business and leisure is not at all impossible. Go for it kid!, you're on the right tract....

Whew.....i don't have to enter nursing or pharmacy anymore!! woohooo!!!!! i'm gonna be an aerospace engineer then an airline pilot!!! thanks for your advice!! wooohooo!!!:banana:

kiretoce

November 19th, 2007, 03:12 PM

Private plane bumagsak sa Davao, piloto patay

:lol: The headline cracks me up! Talk about bullet-point reporting! :rofl:

WawaY[625]

November 19th, 2007, 03:14 PM

I got news from my friend sources in ATO that PAL will demand that the Capt of this A320 damaged beyond repair in BXU pay the cost of the plane. So where's the insurance? If this how Lucio Tan treats his pilots i would say, Phil aviation is in doldrums. Didnt the plane got insurance covered?

mabuti pang ipapatay na lang nila yung pilot kasi parang ganun na rin ang dating nun

dyusko, paano naman babayaran ng piloto yun?

tigidig14

November 19th, 2007, 05:10 PM

^:lol: ipapaputol tapos ipababayad yung arm and legs

manchowyin

November 19th, 2007, 06:24 PM

This is the headline of ABS-CBN Now! News on Demand:
"Davao airplanes crash in mid-air, 1 pilot killed"
(http://now.abs-cbn.com/ondemand/freeview/20071119-breakingnews-150-02.asx)

The Philippines is truly unique.
1. Planes can't wait to the ground before crashing.
2. And they never crash alone (note: "airplanes")!

Or did they collide? (Can't find any other source.)

normandb

November 19th, 2007, 10:29 PM

Moral lesson, wag magdadala ng insecticide sa loob ng eroplano.

jogavilz

November 20th, 2007, 04:22 AM

how much is the tuition fee in PAL Flying School? how long is the duration of the training?

jogavilz

November 20th, 2007, 04:23 AM

how much is the tuition fee in PAL Flying School? how long is the duration of the training?

WawaY[625]

November 20th, 2007, 04:38 AM

GearX

November 20th, 2007, 04:48 AM

;16587899']mid air collision of 2 (cessna-ish) planes doing aerial spraying

i thought banned na aerial spraying....:ohno:

dinabaw

November 20th, 2007, 05:01 AM

i thought banned na aerial spraying....:ohno:

banned in Davao City :)

Rall

November 20th, 2007, 05:33 AM

i thought banned na aerial spraying....:ohno:

the ban holds in Davao City... the accident happened in Kapalong, Davao del Norte.

Arkdriver

November 20th, 2007, 06:02 AM

first of all, no offense. but i cant help it but to laugh. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Funny thread title. Sinjin saves the day by putting "?" Well indeed it's a question.

Guys, dont get too excited, i'm giving my view as aviation industry guy. That guy ben hur is just talking cock about the pinas being aviation training hub in the region. Many people dont know about the truth. Of course newspaper reporter just wrote stuff without having in depth knowledge about aviation training. Sure there's a number of flight skool to justify this thread title but just ask yourselves a question, how many of this skool actually offer commercial license. I bet with my knowledge most of the flight skool are just merely a flying club, can only offer PPL (Private Pilot's License - a license that enable you to fly a single engine plane and with this license you cannot charge or make money flying people).

Most indians who came here to pinas only come here to earn just a CPL (Commercial Pilot License). Most of the flight skool in pinas dont offer CPL with Multi Engine. Without Multi Engine (ME) a flight skool cannot offer ATPL (which is the ultimate license for pro pilots) and i know only small airlines company does take people with CPL nowadays. Even mediocre PAL and Bupak does require pilots with ATPL. To make things sadder small airlines like SEAair, Asian Spirit etc prefer guys with experience and hours.

Ben Hur is barking about pilot shortage in China, India the whole world bla bla bla and saying more pilots needed. Indeed. But, again... dont get too excited. Pilots wanted but with type ratings, money (for bond) and experience, at least 1500 TT on at least multi engine prop. Bustero is right, the guy is just promoting his skool to save his face, the Omni Aviation is in the midst of being relocated elsewhere because DMIA is going to be future hub of pinas, no general aviation activities is allowed in the vicinity. He's just trying to save his skool. Please see the truth.

They said about acquiring ME plane. Cessna makes a good trainer plane as it's the easiest to handle. I was offered job as an instructor at Omni Aviation last June. I didnt take up the offer because i see dark future and uncertainties at Omni Aviation. I dont know if the plane already arrives and how much IP get paid over there but thanks for the offer mr ben hur. Philippine License without ME is so hard to get it converted to foreign license, unless you come from PAL or Bupak, then it's easy to get job overseas.

Newspaper talking crap again. Just because ex PAL and Bupak pilots are accepted at the other parts of the world doesnt mean the standard of training here is superb, it's just mediocre. It's the world trend. Now pilots with experience can work everywhere, even if you come from Timbuktu, Philippines, or Maldives. We're not the best in the world, a country cant claimed they train the best pilots, every (developing) country does. Think why are Singaporean pilots didnt go abroad. It's because the pay they received are already top notch. Why do pinoy pilots get flying job overseas? Because PAL and Bupak pay peanuts (at least Bupak revised their pilots salary recently with captains taking home $7-8k p/m now). Heck, even PAL demand their pilots to pay damage to the airplane that overshot in BXU..HAHAHAHAHA. So much crap in the media.

For the last few years we have been seeing increased hiring among many asian, European and ME airlines (not to mention VB and now JQ) and attendant musical chairs between experienced crew doing the DEC shuffle. Even in the US crew numbers are becoming a limiting factor to recovering load factors and cancelled flights are happening as airlines madly recall furloughed pilots.

I think the biggest problem facing Flight Ops management and Training departments at many airlines now and into the future is a lack of depth. You just cannot take an Easterns Dash FO and turn him into a good jet captain in 5 minutes...or 2 years....hence many airlines are hiring DECs. EK, KA (freighter), JQ, SQ (freighter)...CX looking at 'based' DEFOs on passenger fleet. Places like EK and SQ Cargo don't even need you to be type rated to be a DEC. Pilots are changing companies and going LHS 767->LHS 744, LHS 737->LHS 777 etc.

I know pilots at many 'good' airlines scattered around Australia, SE Asia and the ME, and we ALL look at the planned fleet expansion at our employers, look at the average experience levels and numbers of pilots being attracted to our employers, whether they be DEC or FO, do the numbers and wonder what the hell is going to save us from working our arses off in the next several years and beyond. We can all tell stories of candid chats with those members of our respective Training Departments who wonder the same thing...they spend their lives constantly training. From time to time you hear of various plans to alleviate the problem and wonder whether whomever came up with that plan lives on another planet. There is a degree of 'clutching at straws' happening at some airlines.

Now let's go to the what so called superb pilot training in Clark Aviation. To save cost, Bupak (and other airlines in Asia Pacific) volunteered themselves to be guinea pig of this program called MPL (Multicrew Pilot License), where an ab initio does about 60 hrs of flying in a lightie then thats it, he/she goes into a 180hr simulator program on a generic turbine aircraft and comes out qualified to fly right seat in a jet transport. 45 weeks start to finish. It is merely an idea as far as I can tell. 'Pilots' who graduate from that licence course, if and when it happens, will be near useless in the real world without a heavy additional training burden...will airlines be prepared to shoulder that burden? I doubt it.

What % of airline management pilots will feel able to embrace the concept of the licence and actually risk the pitfalls of hiring such an individual? Unless the answer is "Lots" no one will risk the capital expenditure to set up the first school.

Where is the requirement really? I don't see it this side of exhausting the market of 300-500 hour CPLs...despite the rhetoric they would be cheaper to train and you can just stop recruiting them when the demand drops...not so easy to just 'switch off' the infrastructure required for the MPL course.

Bupak MPLers, as for last month, has yet to fly a real plane. Can you believe it? So called state of the art Clark Aviation has yet to taught their students how to fly......the real tin that worth millions. In the philippines you have to be rich to be a pilot. They dont offer full scholarships whilst in Singapore, Vietnam, Malaysia and Thailand, where their airlines has been subsidized as what Lucio Tan claimed,cadets need to pay nothing to get a license. That's why in the Philippines, the rich and middle class get richer and the poorer which harbour the same ambition to be a pilot, can only dream. How could they afford to pay half of the P 3 million something for training? Lucio Tan and gokongwei has been championing their subsidy-free airlines, and demanding who's interested to be a pilot to pay half of the training cost because they are not subsidized. Perhaps the government cannot see the future of helping those in need by providing a scholarship for pilots wannabe who came from poor family. Keep the rich richer, yeayyyy..that's how those two airline moguls stave off open skies threat....subsidy my ass.

"Pilots" is too general a word to use in an increasingly specialised industry, you have to specify which type and experience level.

A320/340, B737NG/777/744 rated and EXPERIENCED pilots having a field day at the moment particularly if training qualified and flexible regarding where they will work.

Glass cockpit, multi crew, jet, heavy, command, international, time increasingly sought after by airlines keen to spend the minimum training unrated pilots. You may need to go to Taiwan or the Middle East but the jobs are there.

Piston single pilot drivers may still get lucky with a S/O job or a pay for your own rating deal, but much harder.

With there being a genuine shortage of those at the top of the list, airlines , especially second and third level are having to accept alot less than "rated with 500 hours on type". QANTAS, British Airways, Lufthansa etc will be the last to feel any shortage, but may find they need to widen the selection criteria slightly.

Too long for a rant, i bet few will read it, maybe i'll just end it here for now. And i believe in no way with the way airlines being run here, Philippines will not be Asia's training hub. Stop believeing what u read in newspaper.

amigo32

November 20th, 2007, 07:10 AM

first of all, no offense. but i cant help it but to laugh. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Funny thread title. Sinjin saves the day by putting "?" Well indeed it's a question.

Too long for a rant, i bet few will read it, maybe i'll just end it here for now. And i believe in no way with the way airlines being run here, Philippines will not be Asia's training hub. Stop believeing what u read in newspaper.

are you an authority to say that?

swahi

November 20th, 2007, 09:04 AM

true or not that RP will be used as a training hub, other airlines have been targetting at pirating Filipino pilots.

Solblanc

November 20th, 2007, 09:43 AM

true or not that RP will be used as a training hub, other airlines have been targetting at pirating Filipino pilots.

Well, yeah, pilot schools are under pressure to produce more pilots, but this situation isn't unique to the Philippines.

are you an authority to say that?

yes, he is.

GearX

November 20th, 2007, 10:39 AM

ow i see...:cheers:

Arkdriver

November 20th, 2007, 05:02 PM

@amigo32

I dont know what you means by authority, but i'm giving my view as i see things differently from you guys. There's always two sides of a story, and i'm telling you my side. I've seen a lot of pinoys here are very optimistic on everything positive about philippines. Hey, i wish the thread title is true by any means. Like everyone here i want to be optimistic too and give support but i just dont see it happening now or in the near future....with current condition.

@swahi and solblanc

Pilots being "pirated" is a norm nowadays. Philippine is not the only country who is facing the situation. Even the US facing the same problem. I believe what swahi means is that before, Lucio Tan moans about his PAL pilots being poached by other airlines especially the middle eastern which pay triple or more salary than he pays. What to complain? Filipinos are known to flee the country for a better pay elsewhere, this is the culture of the country, and pilots are just part of the 1-million new OFW every year fleeing the country to search a better life for themselves and their family. Why he complained? It's the government policy diba? encouraging people to work oversea to bring in the money?

Me myself, were "pirated" by SIA cargo. I was trained and worked in Malaysia, but now i'm employee of SIA group. Quite a number of pinoy captains in Air Asia too, and i know a few pinoy instructor in flight skools around Malaysia.

Solblanc is right, skools now are facing pressures to produce pilots especially when they are contracted by airlines to train their cadets. Often, they face IP (Instructor Pilot) and machine shortage. The required ratio is ( 1 IP : 7 cadets) but in Clark Aviation (and other skool around Asia especially) it's normal to go beyond that.

If you want to keep pilots, pay more. It's just that easy. Of course there's some respectable pilots still working in PAL although they have chance/being offered chance to work overseas and earn more but they refuse to leave their family here. Life is too precious to be measured in peso.

To the topic, Philippines as Asia's flight training hub? My answer is no. If you wanna see a flight training hub, the closest country to fit such title is Australia. SIA has 2 base here for training. one in Jandakoot (up to ATPL) and one in Maroochydoore (jet conversion). Cathay Pacific had their cadets trained in Adelaide. Royal Nepal Airlines send cadets to APFT, Kelantan, Malaysia. Malaysia Airlines and Air Asia, in various skools in Malaysia, while PAL and Bupak got their cadet trained in Pinas. Just because Clark Aviation has an A320 simulator doesnt make the philippines the hub. Air Asia has 2 such things and 1 b737 simulator. PAL has their own simulators but they never shout it out loud like Clark Aviation.

There's maraming flying clubs/flight skool here and indians coming from curry land to earn their license, but other countries has just the very same situation. So, again...we're not flight training hub...YET.

xxpmrong

November 20th, 2007, 09:47 PM

I got news from my friend sources in ATO that PAL will demand that the Capt of this A320 damaged beyond repair in BXU pay the cost of the plane. So where's the insurance? If this how Lucio Tan treats his pilots i would say, Phil aviation is in doldrums. Didnt the plane got insurance covered?

where's the insurance! tsk.. kaya pala ang daming pilot ayaw sa PAL

WawaY[625]

November 20th, 2007, 10:30 PM

first time ko mag airphil (davao-iloilo)
this coming monday ang flight ko...kumusta naman ang interiors/service/pagkain ng airphil?

kasi nung first time ko mag cebu pacific, nanibago ako sa sikip ng seats compared sa PAL (or maybe because A330 yung sa PAL and A319 yung sa CebuPacific) but still iba talaga

eh ang airphil parang nakakatakot..ano sa tingin nyo?

bariQ

November 20th, 2007, 10:30 PM

akala ko magiging bayani siya kase walang namatay...

bitoy

November 20th, 2007, 11:42 PM

maganda ba talaga ang quality of education ng mga aviation schools dito sa pinas? kasi i want to learn here, pero my folks told me na i should get another course to be able to go to the states, then learn flying there kasi di daw maganda schools dito......i need an answer to convince my folks that i can learn aviation here in the philippines. is there a BIG difference kung di ako dito mag-aral ng aviation?........help me......:?

Go with your dreams, kid, Pinas or sa US, halos pareho lang yan. Ambition ko was to become a pilot, but during those days in Pinas, medyo masikip ang chance to get in to flying business unless you study abroad. Marami ng mabuting flying schools sa Pinas. Actual training lang ata ang may diperensiya, you have more options of flying better planes in the US and be comfortable with the flight lingo in here. Ako, hanggang sabit na lang sa cargo planes, but it sure is great to fly with those men/women of the USAF.

Ex!lE

November 21st, 2007, 02:21 AM

Philippines, New Zealand poised to sign first air service agreement (http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2007/nov/21/yehey/business/20071121bus5.html)

By Darwin G. Amojelar, Reporter

THE Philippine air panel and its New Zealand counterpart will sign Wednesday an air services agreement (ASA) on the sidelines of the 13th Association of Southeast Asian Nations (Asean) Summit in Singapore, Transport Secretary Leandro Mendoza said Tuesday.

The air accord was one of the priorities President Gloria Arroyo pursued during last May’s state visit in Auckland where she met with Prime Minister Helen Clark.

Separately, Porvenir Porciuncula, Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB) deputy executive director, told The Manila Times that the Philippines and New Zealand agreed to have flight frequencies of three times a week with a provision for multiple airline designation.

Government data showed that there are about 6,000 to 7,000 New Zealand nationals who visit the Philippines a year, whereas Filipinos going to New Zealand number 13,000.

The Philippines is the fourth biggest market for New Zealand’s dairy products, and the second biggest for Auckland’s milk alone.

Recently, the Philippines and Korea completed bilateral air talks. The two countries increased seat entitlements to 19,000 from 7,000 previously.

The Philippine air panel also set separate bilateral air talks with Hong Kong, Macau, Singapore and Japan, among others.

The liberalization of the Philippine air policy is part of the Arroyo administration’s Medium Term Development Plan for 2004 to 2010.

The government is banking on the liberalization of air transport to pave the way for the entry of more foreign budget airlines to achieve the 5 million tourist arrivals by 2010.

dinabaw

November 21st, 2007, 03:43 AM

FrancisXavier

November 21st, 2007, 04:00 AM

;16602853']first time ko mag airphil (davao-iloilo)
this coming monday ang flight ko...kumusta naman ang interiors/service/pagkain ng airphil?

kasi nung first time ko mag cebu pacific, nanibago ako sa sikip ng seats compared sa PAL (or maybe because A330 yung sa PAL and A319 yung sa CebuPacific) but still iba talaga

eh ang airphil parang nakakatakot..ano sa tingin nyo?

pagkain? ala nang free pagkain(at least for CGY-MNL route)..
the interiors are a bit outdated. halatang luma na ang eroplano. pero mas maluwag sya, pwede mong i tuwid ang paa mo, unlike sa 5J.
Hindi naman nakakatakot, mas maalog pa nga ata ang 5J eh.

Ex!lE

November 21st, 2007, 04:07 AM

^^In fairness magaganda ang flight stewardess nila. :cheers:

bustero

November 21st, 2007, 04:07 AM

maganda ba talaga ang quality of education ng mga aviation schools dito sa pinas? kasi i want to learn here, pero my folks told me na i should get another course to be able to go to the states, then learn flying there kasi di daw maganda schools dito......i need an answer to convince my folks that i can learn aviation here in the philippines. is there a BIG difference kung di ako dito mag-aral ng aviation?........help me......:?

Materially no.

My nephew went to college then to the PR flying school. He had to pay for the instruction (around a million something back then) and was then given a job in PR.

I'm not sure about the other local flying schools but I know the AFP Flying School (not open to all here as an option) and the new Clark Aviation which does Cebu Pacific's is also very good training ground.

For all intents and purpose there is no difference if you want to get a job in the industry.

WawaY[625]

November 21st, 2007, 04:44 AM

pagkain? ala nang free pagkain(at least for CGY-MNL route)..

whaaaaaat? so mabuti pa pala yung 5J na may libreng C2 ata :lol: parang natulala ako nun nung ang binigay C2 lang hehe parang..uhhh wait, ito lang? hehe

^^In fairness magaganda ang flight stewardess nila. :cheers:

ahhh..at least pampa kalma

n773ph

November 21st, 2007, 03:49 PM

RP and New Zealand sign air services agreement; vow closer economic relations

Singapore -- The Philippines and New Zealand signed last night a bilateral air services agreement that would establish regular flights between the two countries for the first time since the establishment of their diplomatic relations in 1966.

The Philippines-New Zealand Air Services Agreement (ASA) was signed by Undersecretary of Foreign Affairs Enrique Manalo of the Philippines and Secretary of Foreign Affairs and Trade Simon Murdoch of New Zealand.

The signing ceremony was done at the margins of the 13th ASEAN Summit in Singapore, and was witnessed by President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo and Prime Minister Helen Clark of New Zealand.

Under the ASA, air carriers of the Philippines and New Zealand would each be entitled to three services per week of passengers, cargo and mail from one country to the other from and to pre-agreed points. The ASA is expected to increase visitor arrivals between the two countries, as well as further bolster bilateral trade and investment.

The newly-signed bilateral air services agreement (specifically the regular, direct flights it will provide) is expected to immediately benefit the more than 27,000 Filipinos living and working in New Zealand.

Prior to the signing ceremony, Prime Minister Clark called on President Arroyo to discuss a range of areas of mutual concern, including tourism, trade and investment, development assistance, and regional issues.

The value of Philippine exports to New Zealand increased by 36.52 percent from US$38.86 million in 2005 to US$53.06 million in 2006. The product groups that comprised the bulk of exports were food products (33.55 percent) and electronics (7.73 percent).
New Zealand is a major source of milk and dairy products for the Philippines, comprising about 80 percent of imports from that country.

Now that the ASA bet RP and NZ has been signed, the next question is when will services start? My guess is that PR and NZ will be code-sharing this service because PR has limited resources or PR will use an Australian city as transit point. Either way, good news for both parties!

kiretoce

November 21st, 2007, 04:08 PM

kiretoce

November 21st, 2007, 04:45 PM

The Philippines and Turkey soon to open direct flights (http://www.pia.gov.ph/?m=12&fi=p071115.htm&no=54)

Turkish Ambassador to the Philippines H. E. Adnan Basaga wants to further enhance bilateral relations including promoting tourism between Turkey and the Philippines by opening direct flights from Turkey to Manila.

The civil aviation agreement between authorities of both nations is in the stage of finalization that will enable direct flights from Turkey to the Philippines possible and vice versa, according to Basaga.

"I am hoping that before my tour of duty ends, I will be the one to receive the Turkish Airlines at the Manila Airport," Basaga quoted. Basaga is barely one year in the country as the official Turkish envoy arriving last January 15.

Basaga was recently in Cebu to grace the 84th Anniversary of the Proclamation of the Republic of Turkey as well as to celebrate the National Day of Cebu. Turkey's Honorary Consul to Cebu Leontina Benedicto bared the Honorary Consular Office has been in existence for 17 years.

After the civil aviation agreement will be signed between both nations, the next step is to encourage commercial airlines to start the direct flight as "I will do my best to convince the Turkish Airlines to fly to the Philippines," Basaga said.

The flight from Istanbul, Turkey to Manila is estimated at almost 10 hours while Manila could be a hub point of the airlines flying to Europe and North America, this is said.

Basaga further said there is great potential to operate direct flights from Turkey to Manila while "we need direct flights to further enhance human contact between Turks and the Filipinos" and encourage investments between Filipino and Turk businessmen.

The Republic of the Philippines and the Republic of Turkey has enjoyed 60 years of bilateral relationship dating back in 1946 while Turkey was one of the first nations to recognize Philippine independence, Basaga added.

Tourism development follows the opening of direct flights between both countries which is one of the main ways of putting nations together and understanding each other better, Basaga pointed out.

The exchange of tourists between both nations will give new opportunities including the enhancement of business relations that could prove beneficial to both the Philippines and Turkey, the Turkish ambassador revealed.

Basaga said his country receives about 22M tourists annually. In the Philippines, the volume of foreign tourists continue to grow with Koreans as the top international visitors followed by Japanese while the Department of Tourism is targeting 3.3 M tourist arrivals by yearend over 2.8M last year, this is learned.

kiretoce

November 21st, 2007, 04:47 PM

PAL adds flights in time for Christmas rush (http://business.inquirer.net/money/breakingnews/view_article.php?article_id=100724)

MANILA, Philippines -- Anticipating the surge in air travel for the Christmas travel season, flag carrier Philippine Airlines is increasing capacity to the US West Coast, Australia, Bangkok and Singapore.

PAL said that starting Nov. 25, it will add two flights a week between Manila and Los Angeles. An extra weekly flight between Manila and San Francisco will be operated starting on the same date.

This will raise total frequency on the West Coast routes to 20 flights a week from 17 -- with 11 flights between Manila and Los Angeles and nine between Manila and San Francisco.

Two additional weekly flights will connect Manila with Melbourne and Sydney starting Nov. 26, raising total frequency to Australia to five times a week.

Meanwhile, PAL’s services to Bangkok and Singapore will get the biggest boost with the planned deployment of three more flights a week for each route starting Nov. 30. With the new frequencies, PAL’s service to Bangkok increases to 10 times a week, while the service to Singapore will have a total of 17 flights weekly.

On the domestic front, the daily Butuan service will be augmented starting Nov. 20 by an earlier flight every Wednesday, Friday and Sunday, raising total frequency from seven to 10 times a week.

PAL’s services to Bacolod and Cagayan de Oro will increase by two flights a week as well, raising total frequency for each route to 27 times weekly.

Frequencies to Legazpi and Puerto Princesa will increase from seven to 10 flights weekly while Davao and Tacloban receive eight and seven more weekly flights, respectively.

Meanwhile, PAL has reminded the riding public to check in as early as two hours before their scheduled flight time in view of the anticipated congestion at the airport during this busy travel season.

kiretoce

November 21st, 2007, 04:54 PM

Now that the ASA bet RP and NZ has been signed, the next question is when will services start? My guess is that PR and NZ will be code-sharing this service because PR has limited resources or PR will use an Australian city as transit point. Either way, good news for both parties!
It is very good news! :okay: Maybe PR (Philippine Airlines) is looking to expand to the South Pacific once it's more financially stable. It'll be also nice to see an NZ (Air New Zealand) aircraft landing at MNL from AKL or CHC. But you're right, it may just be another codesharing agreement.

I was right! Flights coming from New Zealand will originate from AKL and/or CHC, and will either land at NAIA and/or DMIA. :colgate:

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New Zealand Air Services Agreement With Philippines (http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PA0711/S00387.htm)

Prime Minister Helen Clark today announced that trade and tourism links between New Zealand and the Philippines are to be enhanced with the signing of a new air services agreement between the two countries.

Helen Clark and Philippines President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo today witnessed the signing of the agreement, at the East Asia Summit in Singapore.

It allows airlines from New Zealand and the Philippines to operate direct flights between the two countries.

"Until now the Philippines has been the only APEC economy with which New Zealand had not negotiated an air services agreement," Helen Clark said.

"The new agreement will create opportunities to further develop trade and tourism links between New Zealand and a rapidly growing APEC economy with a population of 91 million.

"I anticipate strong interest in the new arrangement from the increasing number of Filipino migrants living in New Zealand," Helen Clark said.

The new arrangements allow New Zealand airlines to operate three flights per week to Manila, or to Clark airport north of Manila, and then beyond Clark airport to an airport in China to be chosen by New Zealand.

Clark Airport is located on a former US Air Force base 80 kilometres north of Manila, and is seen as the future hub of Philippines air transport, because it is at the centre of a developing tourism and manufacturing site.

Ninoy Aquino International Airport in Manila is approaching saturation point with no room for expansion.

Designated airlines of the Philippines may operate three flights per week to either Auckland or Christchurch, via Darwin or an airport in South East Asia.

The agreement provides flexibility with respect to foreign ownership, but not control, of New Zealand and Filipino airlines and also allows for code-sharing between airlines of the two countries. It also includes strong provisions regarding aviation safety and security. It is effective immediately.

kiretoce

November 21st, 2007, 05:03 PM

GMA pushes new airport (http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page=regions1_nov12_2007)

President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo reiterated the government’s commitment to upgrade the Daniel Z. Romualdez Airport in Tacloban City into Eastern Visayas’ first alternate international airport to boost the region’s bid to become a viable tourism destination under Mrs. Arroyo’s super regions program.

The President pledged to press the expansion of the Tacloban airport after she inspected over the weekend two vital roads that will link the provinces of Eastern and Northern Samar under the Samar circumferential road project.

Aside from the Romualdez Airport, Mrs. Arroyo also vowed to pursue the repair of the US-built airstrip in Calicoan island in Eastern Samar.

The modernization of the Romualdez Airport, worth P3.36 billion, has been repeatedly delayed because of the lack of a counterpart fund pledged by the Japan Bank of International Cooperation under the Selected Airports Development Project of the Department of Transportation and Communications.

The P3.36 billion is part of the P11.713-billion yen loan agreement, which was signed by the government and the JBIC in May 2001 in Tokyo, Japan.

But the counterpart funds for the airport, worth P600 million, were realigned to purchase search-and-rescue vessels for the DoTC.

Victor Domingo, presidential assistant for Eastern Visayas, said the project’s target date was moved from September 2007 to 2009.

Local officials have already established a relocation site for the families who were displaced by the project and it is now up to the DoTC to implement the project.

The upgrading of the airport will convert its aviation standards and cope with the increasing air traffic demand of Tacloban and the whole of Eastern Visayas. It is considered the growth center of Eastern Visayas and one of the conduit airports in the country.

The project involves the construction of a new two-level passenger terminal building complete with the amenities needed by the traveling public.

Besides the passenger terminal building, a separate new and larger cargo terminal building is also being planned to cope with the demand.

As a protection from the normal shore erosion, a reclamation work of approximately four hectares will be undertaken and an appropriate seawall will also be constructed.

Intermediate landing system, precision approach lighting and other necessary new air navigational facilities and equipment will also be installed to certify the facility as one of the country’s secondary international airports.

To date, the country has international airports at Manila, Subic, Clark and Cebu. The airports at Laoag City in Ilocos Sur, General Santos City, Zamboanga City and Davao City are considered alternate international airports, according to the Air Transportation Office.

In the Eastern Visayas region, the ATO considers the Tacloban airport a ‘‘trunkline’’ airport with secondary airports at Catarman, Calbayog and Ormoc and ‘‘feeder’’ airports at Biliran, Borongan, Catbalogan, Guian, Hilongos and Maaasin.

kiretoce

November 21st, 2007, 05:10 PM

Daraga international airport’s construction in full steam (http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page=regions3_nov14_2007)

LEGAZPI CITY — The construction of the Southern Luzon International Airport in Daraga town is in full steam despite attempts by some local leaders to move the project to Camarines Sur, Albay Gov. Joey Salceda said yesterday.

Salceda said the pre-construction activities and other preparations for P3.5-billion airport, including the feasibility study and site development plan, have been completed and the construction contract has been bidden out.

The airport will be built at a 200-hectare plateau in Barangay Alobo, which is easily accessible to other provinces of Bicol, such as Sorsogon, Masbate and Catanduanes as well as provinces in Eastern Visayas through the Matnog port in Sorsogon.

Salceda said the completion of the airport will boost investments in the Bicol region and several foreign investors have already expressed their intent to set up businesses here.

President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo, in a Cabinet meeting held at the Albay capitol recently, reiterated the urgency of the Alobo airport and ordered officials of the Department of Transportation and Communications to complete the detailed engineering design within three months.

Tourism Secretary Joseph Ace Durano earlier assured that the government has alloted P250 million for the purchase of land for the airport.

Durano, who was designated development champion for the Central Philippines super region, said the Bicol International Airport is just one of the big infrastructure projects under the President’s super region program.

But some local officials in Camarines Sur said the project should be transfered to Libmanan town, a move initiated by Libmanan Mayor Rodolfo Jimenez.

Jimenez had earlier claimed that Japanese investors have expressed willingness to finance the construction of the international airport at Libmanan, which they claim is more viable for an airport because it will not be under the threat of eruptions of Mayon Volcano.

Jimenez claimed that the transfer of international airport to Libmanan was supported by Camarines Sur Gov. Luis Raymund Villafuerte, the head of the regional development council. But the council denied reports that the P3.5-billion international airport will be transferred in Libmanan.

diz

November 22nd, 2007, 01:58 AM

thats alot of good news. I'd like Manila to be connected to Auckland, Wellington, and Istanbul.

FrancisXavier

November 22nd, 2007, 05:01 AM

;16609181']whaaaaaat? so mabuti pa pala yung 5J na may libreng C2 ata :lol: parang natulala ako nun nung ang binigay C2 lang hehe parang..uhhh wait, ito lang? hehe

mas nauna pang nawalan ng pagkan ang 5J(at least for CGY-MNL again)
pero may binebenta naman silang sandwich for Php50-100..

stephencua

November 22nd, 2007, 05:18 AM

remember, we shouldnt complain about the amenities in 5j, we do get what we pay for.. and that is to get us from point A to point B..

tigidig14

November 22nd, 2007, 09:36 AM

:lol: puede daw mag spit sa window

:lol:

habagatcentral1

November 22nd, 2007, 01:32 PM

Raven83

November 22nd, 2007, 04:58 PM

where's the insurance! tsk.. kaya pala ang daming pilot ayaw sa PAL

Those were just insane baseless:ohno:, No pilot will ever be ask to pay for an aircrat involved in an accident. If ever that thing will happen surely ALPAP (AirLine Pilot Assoc. of the Phil.) sue those airlines since it's part of their protective clause. But the Captain is now under disciplinary action

;16602853']first time ko mag airphil (davao-iloilo)
this coming monday ang flight ko...kumusta naman ang interiors/service/pagkain ng airphil?

kasi nung first time ko mag cebu pacific, nanibago ako sa sikip ng seats compared sa PAL (or maybe because A330 yung sa PAL and A319 yung sa CebuPacific) but still iba talaga

eh ang airphil parang nakakatakot..ano sa tingin nyo?

Masikip talaga yung seats ng Cebu Pacific's A320/A319 kasi their seat pitch is just 29"inches. compare to PAL's 32"inches on their A320/A319. I havent tried Air Phil. but since they didn't change their seat configuration from its Delta Airlines config. its more likely that their seat is wider.... February pa ako makasakay ng Air Phil on their Dash-8-300,nagpabook kami ng Manila-Caticlan

swahi

November 22nd, 2007, 05:00 PM

mas nauna pang nawalan ng pagkan ang 5J(at least for CGY-MNL again)
pero may binebenta naman silang sandwich for Php50-100..

Ceb Pac doesn't give you anything for free. yung c2, may bayad na rin. All drinks, food, are for sale. No newspapers, just the inflite magazines. Of course, tuloy pa rin yung games.

swahi

November 22nd, 2007, 05:04 PM

Those were just insane baseless:ohno:, No pilot will ever be ask to pay for an aircrat involved in an accident. If ever that thing will happen surely ALPAP (AirLine Pilot Assoc. of the Phil.) sue those airlines since it's part of their protective clause. But the Captain is now under disciplinary action

Masikip talaga yung seats ng Cebu Pacific's A320/A319 kasi their seat pitch is just 29"inches. compare to PAL's 32"inches on their A320/A319. I havent tried Air Phil. but since they didn't change their seat configuration from its Delta Airlines config. its more likely that their seat is wider.... February pa ako makasakay ng Air Phil on their Dash-8-300,nagpabook kami ng Manila-Caticlan

Airphil planes have good leg room. PAL's planes leg room are not consistent. There are planes that are masikip, there are planes that have good leg room. Ceb Pac have smaller leg rooms than PAL's. Word of advise when taking Ceb Pac, the leg rooms at the back, after the middle exit rows, are better than those in the front rows, in front of the middle exit rows. Have tried both sides , (left and right), and in front and at the back, several rows after the exit rows. There is a difference. Now, if you are in a hurry, better get the front rows. If not, try getting the seats at the back. Of course, its better if you can get the exit row seats.

davaoeagle

November 22nd, 2007, 09:41 PM

Thieves prevent night landings at General Santos airport
By Aquiles Zonio
Mindanao Bureau / Philippine Daily Inquirer
Last updated 11:32pm (Mla time) 11/22/2007

GENERAL SANTOS CITY, Philippines -- Pilots encountering trouble in their aircraft during night flights should skip the General Santos International Airport here and look for other airports for emergency landings.

The local Air Transportation Office (ATO) announced that there will be no more emergency landings at night for all types of aircraft at the local airport as a result of the pilferage of its lights and electric wires, which for some reason airport officials have been unable to prevent.

Nathaniel Nazareno, airport manager, said emergency landings at the local airport at night could be disastrous as the runway has no lights.

Nazareno said the lighting facilities on the runway have been disabled by thieves, who have been stealing the electrical wires and the light bulbs.

The first of such thefts, which immediately rendered the lights useless, was on October 31.

Nazareno said earlier this week, police authorities finally caught up with some of the suspected thieves -- four minors -- who tried to steal the runway’s light bulbs and wires.

He said during follow-up operations, the police also recovered some of the stolen electrical wires from the suspects’ houses.

Nazareno said the damage wrought by the pilferage of the airport’s lighting system was valued at P1 million.

"It would take a long time before passenger, private and military aircraft could use the GenSan airport during night time,” Nazareno said.

jgacis

November 23rd, 2007, 12:25 AM

^^ The parents of those minors should be penalized as well.

What security measures are being implemented at the airport in the first place? How can it be improved?

I think the problem is not the airport, but the airport managers themselves and their lack of communication with law enforcement. Is this a first time coincidence? Is it a recurring problem?

The news article doesn't address all the issues and how efforts are being placed to resolve the problem. It should also focus on how a few incompetent people (including the minors) are endangering the lives of others.

Instead, the article suggests pilots should "SKIP" the airport due to thieves. What kind of reporting is this? :ohno:

All I can say is that an EMERGENCY landing is exactly that, an EMERGENCY.... Sometimes pilots can't choose which airport to land on. Everything depends on the nature of the emergency, altitude, and remaining fuel.

The people running the airport and the local community should start using their heads.

dinabaw

November 23rd, 2007, 05:18 AM

^^ i think this minors are being used by older or "big boss" bec minors cannot be detained for 24hrs. and be penalized .

bustero

November 23rd, 2007, 05:40 AM

WawaY[625]

November 23rd, 2007, 06:18 AM

Ok Waway, here's the interior pic of 2P (AirPhil). These pix that I took was for the same flight that you will be taking this monday.

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/P1130956.jpg

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/P1130955.jpg

Thats it so far.
waaaaaah

que horror lol
magbabarko na lang ako pa refund ko na lang ticket ko :lol:

reminds of the PAL planes nung bata ako..(bac 1-11 ata yun lol)
mas ok pa ata yung interiors nung A-300 ng PAL nung HS ako

kelan nga nagka A330 ang PAL?

hala 3 tulog na lang hehe

FrancisXavier

November 23rd, 2007, 06:28 AM

kahit pa no.. mas komportable yan kesa sa pagkasikipsikip na 5J.

Raven83

November 23rd, 2007, 11:27 AM

Airphil planes have good leg room. PAL's planes leg room are not consistent. There are planes that are masikip, there are planes that have good leg room. Ceb Pac have smaller leg rooms than PAL's. Word of advise when taking Ceb Pac, the leg rooms at the back, after the middle exit rows, are better than those in the front rows, in front of the middle exit rows. Have tried both sides , (left and right), and in front and at the back, several rows after the exit rows. There is a difference. Now, if you are in a hurry, better get the front rows. If not, try getting the seats at the back. Of course, its better if you can get the exit row seats.

Actually PAL's economy class seats on all airbuses are standard. Lighting and seat color were just the factors in giving an impression of space.

;16654449']waaaaaah

que horror lol
magbabarko na lang ako pa refund ko na lang ticket ko :lol:

reminds of the PAL planes nung bata ako..(bac 1-11 ata yun lol)
mas ok pa ata yung interiors nung A-300 ng PAL nung HS ako

kelan nga nagka A330 ang PAL?

hala 3 tulog na lang hehe

Oh eto para ma inspire ka sumakay ng AirPhil:lol:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/109861/

natawa ako dun sa broken arm rest na pinagdikit na lang yata ng epoxy:lol:

Mojacko

November 23rd, 2007, 11:51 AM

;16654449']

reminds of the PAL planes nung bata ako..(bac 1-11 ata yun lol)
mas ok pa ata yung interiors nung A-300 ng PAL nung HS ako

I also remember the good old days when Philippine Airlines used BAC 1-11 Series 500s (a.k.a. Super One Elevens) on most routes between Manila and major domestic points such as Bacolod, Iloilo, Kalibo, Roxas, Tacloban, Cagayan de Oro, Zamboanga, Legazpi, and Laoag. (Cebu services were flown by Airbus A300-B4s; beginning in the late 80s, Davao, Puerto Princesa and General Santos also got upgraded to A300s.) In fact, I still remember my VERY FIRST airplane ride 25 years ago: a Philippine Airlines BAC 1-11 service from Manila to Bacolod, then we (my parents, older bro and me) crossed over by boat over to Iloilo, and departed back to Manila from old Mandurriao, on another PAL 1-11.

By the way, it's quite remarkable to have noticed that PAL was the only major Asian airline to have flown the BAC 1-11 - instead of 737s and DC-9s chosen by its neighbor airlines. The type became sort of the backbone of the airline's domestic network from 1966 and throughout the 70s and 80s, carrying over 60 million Filipinos from one end of the archipelago to the other.

Beginning in 1988, Boeing 737-300s replaced the 1-11s on these major trunkline domestic routes. My last flight using the 1-11 was from Manila to Kalibo (stayed in Boracay for 7 nights), and back - in April of 1990. The same time of year in the year that followed (1991), we went to Boracay via Kalibo again, for the first time on a 737. (The last BAC 1-11 was retired the following year, 1992.)

And now, Airbus A320s (and A319s) have begun replacing the 737s on these trunkline domestic routes.

Meanwhile, the higher-density domestic routes - as I aforementioned, refer to Cebu, Davao, Puerto Princesa, and General Santos services - were mostly flown by A300s from the early 80s, all the way up to the airline's temporary closure on September 23rd, 1998.

;16654449']kelan nga nagka A330 ang PAL?

PAL started taking delivery of its first Airbus A330-300s in 1997 (sorry, I forgot what time of year it was, but it was probably after the summer). These were initially introduced on Cebu and Davao services, before later on being used also on Singapore, Hong Kong, Taipei, and Bangkok routes. By the time of the airline's reopening after its aforementioned closure, General Santos and Puerto Princesa services also got upgraded to A330s, while the A300s were phased out.

swahi

November 23rd, 2007, 01:07 PM

[QUOTE=Raven83;16657131]Actually PAL's economy class seats on all airbuses are standard. Lighting and seat color were just the factors in giving an impression of space.

Disagree. I am a premiere elite cardholder. This year, I hit the 50 one way trips by end of October, a requirement to be premiere elite. That excludes travel that are not counted, as the tickets were the really cheap fares. And this is on PAL and/or Airphil when they had code share. Not counting the flights I did on Ceb Pac. PAL has 319/320 planes that have tighter leg room space. The recaro seat 319 are better. Their airbus 330 have good leg room. The airbus 330 seating are better than their 747. 737 is tight, similar to the setup of cebu pacific. I am conscious about leg room because I am 5'9" tall.

jyvo_rez

November 23rd, 2007, 03:23 PM

remember, we shouldnt complain about the amenities in 5j, we do get what we pay for.. and that is to get us from point A to point B..

yep, that's correct! 5J is a low-cost airline. If they served hot meals on board medyo mahal na rin siguro ang pamasahe nila like PAL. You get what you pay.

FrancisXavier

November 24th, 2007, 04:39 AM

Oh eto para ma inspire ka sumakay ng AirPhil:lol:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/109861/

natawa naman ako dun sa high end housing..

ofw_cebu

November 24th, 2007, 09:34 AM

21 November 2007
from PAL website

Philippine Airlines recently took delivery of its ninth Airbus A320-family aircraft, part of the 20 brand-new single-aisle jets PAL has ordered from the European aircraft manufacturer and airplane leasing companies.

Like the rest of PAL’s A320-family fleet, the latest arrival is outfitted with Airbus’ “enhanced 21st-century cabin” that is the first in the Philippines and Asia. Main photo shows the new aircraft on its arrival at the Ninoy Aquino International Airport. The jet will be deployed mainly on PAL’s domestic and short-range Asian routes.

habagatcentral1

November 24th, 2007, 09:43 AM

;16654449']waaaaaah

que horror lol
magbabarko na lang ako pa refund ko na lang ticket ko :lol:

reminds of the PAL planes nung bata ako..(bac 1-11 ata yun lol)
mas ok pa ata yung interiors nung A-300 ng PAL nung HS ako

kelan nga nagka A330 ang PAL?

hala 3 tulog na lang hehe

Pasalamat ka at medyo lumihis ng konti si Bagyong Mina kundi pag-abot mo dito sa Iloilo, soaking wet ka tapos "blender mode" pa, wahehehe!!! :D

By the way, does anyone know whatever happened to Pacific Pearl Airways? Are they operating now?

docz

November 24th, 2007, 01:08 PM

Ceb Pac doesn't give you anything for free. yung c2, may bayad na rin. All drinks, food, are for sale. No newspapers, just the inflite magazines. Of course, tuloy pa rin yung games.

I recently went to Cebu for a convention and was booked on Cebu Pacific by the organizers. Both ways, there were no games done during the flight.

swahi

November 24th, 2007, 06:24 PM

last time I took ceb pac was summer. i guess they took out the games as well.

docz

November 25th, 2007, 03:26 AM

Has anyone checked the entry of Philippines Airlines in Wikipedia. There is information there that is hard to believe. It claims that PAL will have 5 additional A330's, 15 additional A340's and 20 additional 747-400's (dates range from 2009 to 2014). Can anyone verify this?

diz

November 25th, 2007, 04:02 AM

It's vandalism. Same thing happend to Cebu Pacific. Philippine Airlines is only ordering 15 new aircraft.

oz.fil

November 25th, 2007, 07:47 AM

lol you just burst my dream bubble :lol:

Chrisvenz

November 25th, 2007, 07:55 AM

...........

diz

November 25th, 2007, 11:40 AM

lol you just burst my dream bubble :lol:

i bursted my own as well :(

jgacis

November 26th, 2007, 12:05 PM

That airport is medyo in the boonies ng konti, perimeter is quite porous, it's not very busy for it's huge size kaya ayon wala sigurong budget for security for the areas size.

Minors nevertheless should still be charged and placed with DSWD, it's still a crime.

Yes, you are right.

But still, IMO there should be uniformity in security and enforcement of airport regulations in ALL airports around the Philippines. It shouldn't matter if its in the boonies or not. An aircraft full of people in distress can happen anywhere, boonies or no boonies. Major crimes against airports should be a federal crime addressed to a national airport authority...

Steps like these help reassure our safety and will help us develop more airports in the future as our international status develops (tourism, commerce, etc.)

SUV111

November 26th, 2007, 01:35 PM

New Bacolod-Silay Airport

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SUV111

November 26th, 2007, 01:37 PM

Part2

TO LOBBY
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DEPARTURE AREA
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TAXIWAY
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THIS IS INITIAL JUST OUTSIDE SCENE

SUV111

November 26th, 2007, 01:43 PM

Part3
Repost. Thanks to NGProf.:) This December 2007 (hopefully), lets welcome our guests to Bacolod's newest gateway ... NBSA(New Bacolod-Silay Airport).:):):)

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http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc255/erjaplacement/560x420-IMG_0495.jpg

TO LOBBY
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DEPARTURE AREA
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TAXIWAY
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THIS IS INITIAL JUST OUTSIDE SCENE

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc255/erjaplacement/1487508828_4f9286bcf0.jpg I heard they'll use this new airport this coming end part of nov 07 . If it will push through guest arriving this Christmas season will have a new airport to welcome them.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc255/erjaplacement/1487507996_22950d080d.jpg Main Building w/ PS just put this pic more drama. we arrive late the sun is setting and a bit...

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc255/erjaplacement/1486651333_28b5796773.jpg

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc255/erjaplacement/1487508520_f2bf2cfe38.jpg The main building
The new airport is about 19 km from Bacolod. So us from Bacolod it's a new change. problem is the road about 5 km from the high way is still under construction.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc255/erjaplacement/1486652223_db8aaed3ed.jpgDeparture waiting Area

I would like to thanks Mr. Pons Lizares for your effort to share this pictures