wait... natapos na ba ang 500 meter na expansion sa runway...?

wait... natapos na ba ang 500 meter na expansion sa runway...?

not yet....but it will follow

is NSBA going to be an int'l airport for the province?

is NSBA going to be an int'l airport for the province?

I dont think its going to be an international airport myx...but probably in the near future...:) as of now, it will just cater local flights, but there are news that we will have chartered flight going to Korea and V.V. :) I dont know if its going to push through :)

maayo

it's a trunkline (domestic) airport of international standards...which means, it can accommodate international flights when needed. :cheers:

Yes, you are right.

But still, IMO there should be uniformity in security and enforcement of airport regulations in ALL airports around the Philippines. It shouldn't matter if its in the boonies or not. An aircraft full of people in distress can happen anywhere, boonies or no boonies. Major crimes against airports should be a federal crime addressed to a national airport authority...

Steps like these help reassure our safety and will help us develop more airports in the future as our international status develops (tourism, commerce, etc.)

of course you're right, they should use the same standards or security as it affects safety!

btw nice airport , someone please update our airports in the philippine thread in the international aviation section para naman may makita silang good news di lang puro Terminal 3!

Tuesday, November 27, 2007
Silay airport will open January not December

BACOLOD lone district Representative Monico Puentevella said Monday that the New Bacolod-Silay Airport in Bagtic, Silay would officially open by January 17, 2008 instead of next month.

But Puentevella said all flight tests had already been completed.

The Air Transportation Office (ATO) has a policy requiring 57 days within which to inform all aviation authorities, both domestic and international, that a new airport will open, including international publication of all the data of the new airport, its location, and coordinates.

The congressman also said the McKinley access road would be finished just before the opening of the new airport.

The new airport of international standards was designed for domestic flights but it is up to ATO and the Civil Aeronautics Board if it could be used for international flights.

Only 500 meters are needed to extend the existing 2 kilometer-runway to make it an international airport.

The new airport can accommodate Airbus 330 planes with more than 300 passengers on board.


President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo is expected to be the guest of honor during the opening of the new airport.

Earlier, Arroyo approved the proposed construction of an access road going to the new airport that will pass through La Herencia and Marapara areas in Barangay Bata, Bacolod City.

Puentevella said President Arroyo has already directed the National Economic Development Authority (Neda) to lead the construction of a two-lane access road, which will start early next year and will be financed by Korean Foreign Fund (KFF).

If materialized, taking this access road will only take 30 minutes from Bacolod to the new airport in Silay. (JSG)

I nearly bought a 1:400 Dragon Wings Philippine Airlines 777-300ER scale model this afternoon to add to my collection. While checking it, I noticed that theres a defect sa may part ng takip ng gulong - may putol na part. Di ko tinuloy bilhin.

http://www.la-center.com/images/55480.JPG

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I nearly bought a 1:400 Dragon Wings Philippine Airlines 777-300ER scale model this afternoon to add to my collection. While checking it, I noticed that theres a defect sa may part ng takip ng gulong - may putol na part. Di ko tinuloy bilhin.

http://www.la-center.com/images/55480.JPG


Ei how much is this model?

Forumers pls congratulate me hehehe.. I've been hired recently as a travel consultant in an IATA travel agency.

We've been receiving updates for the flight skeds of all airlines. And PAL has just announced its sked to its newest gateway to China - Chengdu(CTU) and Chongqing(CKG).

Here are the flight details:
PR 356/357 - A320 - Tue/Fri
MNL-CKG-0945-1315
CKG-CTU-1405-1500
CTU-MNL-1550-1935


I thought its going to be a seperate flight but it is shared like MNL-SYD-MEL flight of PR.

Forumers pls congratulate me hehehe.. I've been hired recently as a travel consultant in an IATA travel agency.

We've been receiving updates for the flight skeds of all airlines. And PAL has just announced its sked to its newest gateway to China - Chengdu(CTU) and Chongqing(CKG).

Here are the flight details:
PR 356/357 - A320 - Tue/Fri
MNL-CKG-0945-1315
CKG-CTU-1405-1500
CTU-MNL-1550-1935


I thought its going to be a seperate flight but it is shared like MNL-SYD-MEL flight of PR.

no disclosure agreement?

Ei how much is this model?

P895 dito

ah well congratulations then!

Forumers pls congratulate me hehehe.. I've been hired recently as a travel consultant in an IATA travel agency.

We've been receiving updates for the flight skeds of all airlines. And PAL has just announced its sked to its newest gateway to China - Chengdu(CTU) and Chongqing(CKG).

Here are the flight details:
PR 356/357 - A320 - Tue/Fri
MNL-CKG-0945-1315
CKG-CTU-1405-1500
CTU-MNL-1550-1935


I thought its going to be a seperate flight but it is shared like MNL-SYD-MEL flight of PR.

March 16 pa start niyan mas mauuna pa yung codeshare nila with Air Phil na Manila-Caticlan flight sa Dec 15...nanadun ako sa inauguration:)...

May bagong 747-400 ang PAL from South Africa and new A320 deliveries have begun...

I nearly bought a 1:400 Dragon Wings Philippine Airlines 777-300ER scale model this afternoon to add to my collection. While checking it, I noticed that theres a defect sa may part ng takip ng gulong - may putol na part. Di ko tinuloy bilhin.

http://www.la-center.com/images/55480.JPG

where did you bought this model?
meron din ba ibang model ng PAL aircrafts???
wahhh....

I just want to share this to you guys...

MY DREAM OF ZAMBOANGA INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT...

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/2876/zamboairportvc5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


USING MY SIM CITY 4 DELUXE EDITION AND FILES THAT I'VE DOWNLOADED FROM SC4.COM , SIMTROPOLIS.COM AND SC4DEVOTION.COM,
this project is just 1/2 of the original project is being constructed in MY DREAMS:nuts::nuts::nuts::lol::lol::lol:

May bagong 747-400 ang PAL from South Africa



Ei, if I may ask, where did you get this info from? And what's the config?

I just want to share this to you guys...

MY DREAM OF ZAMBOANGA INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT...

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/2876/zamboairportvc5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


USING MY SIM CITY 4 DELUXE EDITION AND FILES THAT I'VE DOWNLOADED FROM SC4.COM , SIMTROPOLIS.COM AND SC4DEVOTION.COM,
this project is just 1/2 of the original project is being constructed in MY DREAMS:nuts::nuts::nuts::lol::lol::lol:

uy big fan ka?
san mu nakuha to?
pm mu naman aku...
pls...
im begging you...
for the sake of my citties

uy big fan ka?
san mu nakuha to?
pm mu naman aku...
pls...
im begging you...
for the sake of my citties

kailangan mong mag register sa www.simtropolis.com and sa www.sc4devotion.com. then pwde ka na mag download ng mga files doon... be sure na ung SIMCITY4 mo ay merong RUSH HOUR or DELUXE EDITION...

then kung gusto mo kuha ng ibang info bout sa sc4, puntahan mo lang ung thread nila dito sa skyscrapercity... :)

^^ you guys know about cuplanet.com? its said to be the next sim city after sim city societies was a flop

weeh??? wow! saan mo nakuha ung news??

where did you bought this model?
meron din ba ibang model ng PAL aircrafts???
wahhh....

I ended up not buying it cause of the defect - small lang naman. Sa isang mall sa QC. Ayoko sabihin kasi parang pinagiisipan ko na balikan kasi kaya ko naman ayusin yung defect. Bihira kasi ang PAL models ng Dragon Wings dito eh. Baka iilan lang ang available dito. I might as well take it. :lol:

Yung MD-11 na alng na PAL ang bilhin mo. Meron sa Greenhills. Special Toys Center sa VirraMall. :lol:
http://www.dragonmodelsltd.com/catalog/wings/new/philippines/philippine-1.jpg

Forumers pls congratulate me hehehe.. I've been hired recently as a travel consultant in an IATA travel agency.

We've been receiving updates for the flight skeds of all airlines. And PAL has just announced its sked to its newest gateway to China - Chengdu(CTU) and Chongqing(CKG).

Here are the flight details:
PR 356/357 - A320 - Tue/Fri
MNL-CKG-0945-1315
CKG-CTU-1405-1500
CTU-MNL-1550-1935


I thought its going to be a seperate flight but it is shared like MNL-SYD-MEL flight of PR.

congratulations. now you can give us info which flight dates have seats available.

manding, i think there don't have to be totally strictly sa nondisclosure something. kasi these info are available sa net anyway. masarap siguro magwork sa industry na to.

Zach, san makakabili ng B747-400 na scale model ng PAL? Gusto ko din niyan!!!

Zach, san makakabili ng B747-400 na scale model ng PAL? Gusto ko din niyan!!!



There are two versions Philippine Airlines 747-400 scale models I know of. One is a 1:500 by HerpaWings (in fact, I own one example), available at Lil's Futaba and other model shops, while a bigger 1:250 scale version is (so far as I know) only available duty-free on board Philippine Airlines international flights. (I too have been meaning to buy myself one example of the bigger one; I most likely will on my next U.S. trip.)

^^So Tebs, cutting a long story short, pareho tayo; gusto ko rin (kung yung mas malaki ang gusto mo).

Zesto owner buys into SEAIR
(http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2007/dec/01/yehey/business/20071201bus8.html)
ZEST-O and RC Cola owner Alfredo M. Yao confirmed he has acquired a majority stake in Southeast Asian Airlines (SEAIR), saying the buy-in for 60 percent of the company has been completed.

Yao, however, declined to disclose further details.

The acquisition is his first venture into the transportation and aviation industry. Yao also owns thrift bank Philippine Business Bank and sits as director of Export and Industry Bank.

SEAIR president and CEO Avelino Zapanta earlier said the entry of new investors would be timely given that the carrier is beefing up its capital to bankroll its expansion plans, but he declined to elaborate.

SEAIR has been planning to expand both its domestic and regional routes, and is looking at regional destinations such as Korea, Singapore, Macau and Bangkok. The plan involves leasing two brand-new 180-seater Airbus 320 aircraft from Singapore-based budget carrier Tiger Airways. The contract, however, expired before the Civil Aeronautics Board could approve the contract.

SEAIR has 11 aircraft, four of which are Dornier 328 and seven are Let 410 UVP-E. It flies to 18 routes to 14 local tourist destinations such as Caticlan (Boracay) and Cebu in Visayas; Clark in Northern Luzon; Busuanga, Cuyo, El Nido, Puerto Princesa and Rodriguez in Palawan; Camiguin, Cotabato, Zamboanga, Jolo and Tawi-Tawi in Mindanao.
--Katrina Mennen A. Valdez

I ended up not buying it cause of the defect - small lang naman. Sa isang mall sa QC. Ayoko sabihin kasi parang pinagiisipan ko na balikan kasi kaya ko naman ayusin yung defect. Bihira kasi ang PAL models ng Dragon Wings dito eh. Baka iilan lang ang available dito. I might as well take it. :lol:

Yung MD-11 na alng na PAL ang bilhin mo. Meron sa Greenhills. Special Toys Center sa VirraMall. :lol:
http://www.dragonmodelsltd.com/catalog/wings/new/philippines/philippine-1.jpg

Went to SM Mega Mall yesterday, and saw the Philippine Airlines 777-300ER (Dragon Wings) in Lil's hobby shop. I did not check if there were any defects, but you may like to consider looking at it. I hope this helps.

^^ natatandaan ko mga 10years ago (or more..kasi parang HS pa ata ako nun..lol ewan basta matagal na) may nakikita akong mala DC-10/MD-11 dito sa davao tapos all-white lang ang color..ni walang logo ang tail

anong airline/plane kaya yun? posibleng PAL? more than 2x ko nakita eh

Zach, san makakabili ng B747-400 na scale model ng PAL? Gusto ko din niyan!!!


Yung sabi ni Mojacko, meron sa Herpa 1:500 ang scale - matagal ko na din gusto magkaroon ng PAL na B747 pero wala akong mahanap sa 1:400 eh. Balak ko nga iconvert yung isa kung Ansett Australia na 747 sa PAL :lol: Pero kung meron dito nakakaalam ng mga nagbebenta ng blank livery, share niyo naman :D

Eto, pinost ng isang forumer sa www.diecastaircraftforum.com. Nakakainggit.
http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/attachments/forum6/40744d1195314582-pal-fleet.jpg

Tebs: Bat ka pala nawala sa friendster?

eto model ng naia 2...by Jao from wings900.com
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa122/wabbygabby/602naia2gen3.jpg
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa122/wabbygabby/602nightshot1.jpg
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa122/wabbygabby/602naia2gen.jpg
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa122/wabbygabby/602generalview2.jpg
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa122/wabbygabby/602naia2parkingview.jpg

Thats nice. Nakakainggit. 1:500 siguro yan.

eto model ng naia 2...by Jao from wings900.com
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa122/wabbygabby/602naia2gen3.jpg
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa122/wabbygabby/602nightshot1.jpg
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa122/wabbygabby/602naia2gen.jpg
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa122/wabbygabby/602generalview2.jpg
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa122/wabbygabby/602naia2parkingview.jpg

WOW! ASTIG! jogavilz, did you build that yourself?

The planes you used are all 1:500s from HerpaWings, right? I have always dreamed of building one myself, also using HerpaWings 1:500s - except I would use all PAL planes for added realism; types they fly where Herpa 1:500s are available are 737s, A330s (I think), A340s, and 747-400s.

But this is good too. Thanks for posting this - it's the holy grail of every aviation-loving Filipino (myself included).

WOW! ASTIG! jogavilz, did you build that yourself?

The planes you used are all 1:500s from HerpaWings, right? I have always dreamed of building one myself, also using HerpaWings 1:500s - except I would use all PAL planes for added realism; types they fly where Herpa 1:500s are available are 737s, A330s (I think), A340s, and 747-400s.

But this is good too. Thanks for posting this - it's the holy grail of every aviation-loving Filipino (myself included).

no, i didn't build it myself......it is made by someone else (filipino din i think). i got this from wings900.com....so i really don't know what planes this guy used in this model
i don't have the professional skills yet :(.....someday, sana makagawa ako ng mas magandang airport.

I just want to share this to you guys...

MY DREAM OF ZAMBOANGA INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT...

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/2876/zamboairportvc5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)






USING MY SIM CITY 4 DELUXE EDITION AND FILES THAT I'VE DOWNLOADED FROM SC4.COM , SIMTROPOLIS.COM AND SC4DEVOTION.COM,
this project is just 1/2 of the original project is being constructed in MY DREAMS:nuts::nuts::nuts::lol::lol::lol:




the tarmac and main terminal and concourse is alright but the taxiway leading to the main runway is wrong. the taxiway should have been up to runway end to end. Airport buffs I am right?? ....:banana:

the tarmac and main terminal and concourse is alright but the taxiway leading to the main runway is wrong. the taxiway should have been up to runway end to end. Airport buffs I am right?? ....:banana:

PositiveThinker, you're not necessarily wrong. It's somewhat acceptable: as long as there is sufficient land space, some airports have spare runway length (on which they usually paint yellow arrowhead marks); this helps in case aircraft either fail to leave the runway on takeoff or overrun the runway on landing (such as what happened recently in Butuan). As of now, most trunkline airports in the country do not have that feature, unfortunately (so far as I've observed).

I hate the font ( BACOLOD INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT )y dont they change it to a more unique font, coz it doesnt look good..

I hate the font ( BACOLOD INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT )y dont they change it to a more unique font, coz it doesnt look good..

Try wingdings.

Yung sabi ni Mojacko, meron sa Herpa 1:500 ang scale - matagal ko na din gusto magkaroon ng PAL na B747 pero wala akong mahanap sa 1:400 eh. Balak ko nga iconvert yung isa kung Ansett Australia na 747 sa PAL :lol: Pero kung meron dito nakakaalam ng mga nagbebenta ng blank livery, share niyo naman :D

Eto, pinost ng isang forumer sa www.diecastaircraftforum.com. Nakakainggit.
http://www.diecastaircraftforum.com/attachments/forum6/40744d1195314582-pal-fleet.jpg

Tebs: Bat ka pala nawala sa friendster?

:ohno:pal should shange how their airplanes look. they're too plain^^

they should bring back the stripes on the fuselage

:ohno:pal should shange how their airplanes look. they're too plain^^

even though PAL's aircrafs design looks "boring" or "no colors" the important is that the service that they have to their customers and the class of the aircraft. PAL looks is super classy. very expensive and very "money":lol:

Since the mid-1980s, some airlines have begun adopting predominantly white liveries on their planes while keeping their titles and a tail logo (both also updated from their previous ones, to keep with the times) to distinctly identify them.

Qantas was one of the first major airlines who started that trend in 1984. Philippine Airlines followed suit not long afterwards (in fact, coinciding with their privatization following EDSA 1986). Their revamped liveries were a new thing in the 80s and still stand out today.

And now, look at the present-day liveries of airlines like Japan Airlines, Delta, Aerolineas Argentinas, Swiss International, and Finnair: over recent times, they too have begun adopting predominantly white liveries, which - in my personal opinion - look pretty cool.

^^ yeah, it (white) looks more dignified compared to the flashy colors of LCCs IMO

Since the mid-1980s, some airlines have begun adopting predominantly white liveries on their planes while keeping their titles and a tail logo (both also updated from their previous ones, to keep with the times) to distinctly identify them.

Qantas was one of the first major airlines who started that trend in 1984. Philippine Airlines followed suit not long afterwards (in fact, coinciding with their privatization following EDSA 1986). Their revamped liveries were a new thing in the 80s and still stand out today.

And now, look at the present-day liveries of airlines like Japan Airlines, Delta, Aerolineas Argentinas, Swiss International, and Finnair: over recent times, they too have begun adopting predominantly white liveries, which - in my personal opinion - look pretty cool.

My observation is that TG and SQ in the mid 70's seem to all have had painted their planes all white with a tail logo, title, and a stripe running along the windows of the plane.

I also remember that there was a time in the early 80's when PAL had a BAC 1-11 that did not have any paint except the tail, the stripe and the title (I think they were experimenting if not painting the plane would save on weight)

hell yeah.. PAL is expensive.. and concentrates only to the western US so i don't get to fly with it often.. ASIANA lang kami, lol... cheap...:lol:

hell yeah.. PAL is expensive.. and concentrates only to the western US so i don't get to fly with it often.. ASIANA lang kami, lol... cheap...:lol:

Syempre, PAL earn much income on that route. Eh sila ang may flights don. Pero for me, PAL is the one of the best. Give the airline 4 to 5 years, magiging one of the best airlines na iyan sa Asia kung di man sa buong mundo.

^^ beating singapore? hmm.. hehe..
btw.. ganda ng signature ah.. reality..

My goodness those models are something else. Reminds me of that CSI serial killer...

positive thinker. With the size of that airport they will need to have at least one runway with a full lenght taxiway so that they can have a lot of airplane movements per hour. If the planes need to get into or from position on the runway itself then that limits it substantially and it would be highly unlikely that you would see 2 councourse and nearly 20 planes in such an airport.

Improving our international airport facilities
BY ALBERT VILLADOLID
http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page=business5_dec3_2007

Three years ago, I had the chance to visit VietNam for the first time. Upon landing in Ho Chi Minh (Saigon) City, arriving passengers noticed that a new terminal was being constructed adjacent to the existing terminal. Someone among the arriving Filipino travelers joked that given the very long delay in opening the Naia Terminal-3, it was likely that this Viet Nam airport terminal would open ahead of it. The Viet Nam terminal then had only steel structural frames, with no roofing in place yet, so most of us laughed at that line. After all, our unopened Terminal-3 looked already complete and ready to open then.

A few weeks ago, I found out that the joke of that lady travel executive did come true. Indeed, the Ho Chi Minh International Terminal opened last September 1, 2007. I recalled that in this year’s Travel and Tourism Competitiveness Index, the Philippines ranked 86th, edging Viet Nam, which occupied the 88th place. With this development, I wonder if Viet Nam will overtake us in next year’s competitiveness standing.

Open Naia-3

Ordinary people and travelers cannot understand the reason why Terminal-3 is still not operational. Why do our new national heroes, Filipino workers overseas and Balikbayans, the regular business and leisure local and foreign travelers, have to endure the use of very old terminals? If we are serious in attracting more tourists, as the Department of Tourism claims, let us start with the immediate opening of Terminal-3. I recall government announcements promising the opening of this important facility years back, but promises have ended up being broken for the nth time, and the frustration of the traveling public is rising.

Government officials need to speak to their constituents to appraise us of the situation regarding this important airport infrastructure. Today, even direct stakeholders like airlines, travel and tourism executives are not aware and cannot even intelligently predict when this huge and expensive facility will finally be put to use for the good of our country. Moreover, government officials serious in stamping out graft and corruption in this country should start with this high visibility case. Let us prosecute and jail not only the people who committed graft and corruption in this airport terminal deal, but also those who have caused or are causing undue delay in opening this facility.

Improve queue management

While waiting for the opening of the Terminal-3, there are a few quick wins that we can do to alleviate the plight of the users of the old terminals. First, improve the queue management. Airport authorities can see with their eyes that choke points exist in the movement of passengers, starting with the entry to the airport terminals. Adding extra machines, providing more check-in facilities, manning the immigration counters, are all doable courses of action, given the high airport fees that passengers pay every time they leave the airport. But it appears nothing or not enough is being done in these areas. Time and again, we see very long queues, especially in the immigration counters, because some counters are not manned, while at the same time we see that government functionaries and VIPs use special lanes with shorter queues.

Rationalize security measures

Second, do away with the over-kill in security measures. Seasoned travelers know that many, if not all, the international airport terminals have done away with the remove “shoe and belt” requirements. And yet, here, we still subject passengers to these unnecessary checks. They should replace these checks with more reasonable measures like profiling and random sampling. I was in such a security check once and I pitied a family with six very young children who were all asked to remove their shoes and belts. Imagine the difficulties of such requirement, and the resulting mess at the security queue.

Segregate passenger handling

Third, do some line segregation. In many international airport terminals, they segregate the local passport holders from foreigners, first class and business travelers from regular economy passengers, to improve the queue handling and provide appropriate levels of service to these distinct groups. Our immigration officials do these in the arrival areas, but not in the departure areas where it could also improve the queue management.

These are just three quick wins that can easily be done while the people and the country await for the opening of the new international terminal. No more excuses, please. The people deserve to use it, NOW!

Professor Albert Villadolid teaches Strategic Information Systems Planning at the De La Salle Professional Schools Inc. Ambassador Ramon V. del Rosario Sr. Graduate School of Business. He is the vice chairman of the ICT committee of the Management Association of the Philippines, the country’s premier management association. He is also the general manager of Amadeus-Philippines. Amadeus is the chosen technology partner for providers, sellers, and buyers of travel, serving more than 500 airlines, 84,000 travel agencies and more than 28,000 airline sales offices in 217 markets worldwide. He can be reached at albert.villadolid@amadeus.com.(Makati).

Skytrax awarded Kingfisher Airlines of India 5 STARS.

http://www.airlinequality.com/images/1-a-1akngfg.jpg

sino po may pictures ng interior ng pal 747? is it the same as the NW? kasi when used NW to detriot i didnt like the plane e hopefully the san francisco flight of pal uses a better 747

sino po may pictures ng interior ng pal 747? is it the same as the NW? kasi when used NW to detriot i didnt like the plane e hopefully the san francisco flight of pal uses a better 747

Heres a set of Photos for you

RPC8168
http://www.pbase.com/philippineaviation/philippine_airlines_b747_rpc8168
this is the one with grey interior, medyo masikip yung economy class:ohno:

The Flagship N754
This aircraft was grounded few weeks ago at had it's entire electrical system replaced for preparation for its full refurbishment next year
http://www.pbase.com/philippineaviation/philippine_airlines

I know I cant say anything against PAL but let me give you some info, better take a ride on their A340's on transpacific flights kasi mas maluwag dun,those were directly ordered from the manufacturer so PAL has a say regarding its interiors, There's a new 747 from South Africa which is said to be pre-equipped with individual (albeit small) IFE screens,it will be immediately put into service after repainting,its being tested as of this moment ;)

There's a new 747 from South Africa which is said to be pre-equipped with individual (albeit small) IFE screens,it will be immediately put into service after repainting,its being tested as of this moment ;)



Again, where'd ya get this info? What's the config gonna be like? Is it a -4F6 model that was originally meant for PAL? And is it a long-term lease or a short-term one just to cover the reconfiguration period? Thanks. :)

^^ My info? :laugh:..info is a bit sketchy but from what I know is that its surely CF-6 powered. I'll dig for more info later....

WOW! But why?

Skytrax awarded Kingfisher Airlines of India 5 STARS.

http://www.airlinequality.com/images/1-a-1akngfg.jpg

^^ My info? :laugh:..info is a bit sketchy but from what I know is that its surely CF-6 powered. I'll dig for more info later....

I meant to ask if the 747 was a -4F6 model. Since F6 is the Boeing customer code for Philippine Airlines, two of SAA's GE models with the F6 designation were originally intended for PAL. Since PAL went bankrupt in the late 90's, I think PAL only got to keep three, while one went to Canadian then back to PAL, two went to Air New Zealand, and two went to South African Airways. Skyblade had a more detailed list a couple of threads ago. I wonder if I can find it...

Anyway, it'll be really cool if PAL gets those 747s back. Well, not that cool considering that the aircraft are almost ten years old, but cool nonetheless.

I meant to ask if the 747 was a -4F6 model. Since F6 is the Boeing customer code for Philippine Airlines, two of SAA's GE models with the F6 designation were originally intended for PAL. Since PAL went bankrupt in the late 90's, I think PAL only got to keep three, while one went to Canadian then back to PAL, two went to Air New Zealand, and two went to South African Airways. Skyblade had a more detailed list a couple of threads ago. I wonder if I can find it...

Anyway, it'll be really cool if PAL gets those 747s back. Well, not that cool considering that the aircraft are almost ten years old, but cool nonetheless.

Yup I'm aware of the -4F6 code, What I'm trying to say is that those planes aren't the typical Rolls Royce RB211 powered 747-4's of SAA. I think that's the same aircraft you were talking about. Hey I read from FI that ANZ's GE powered 747's will soon be retired as well,hopefully PAL will get get a grip of those as well and if that's the case prepare for a PAL herringbone style premium cabins:lol:...

I think it does make sense PAL buying up 747's at least for a while,since it does carry a lot of PAX and in comparison to the brandnew 777-3ER it's second hand cost is at least $70M cheaper than 777-3ER. I was actually thinking they'll gonna buy those CF-6powered ones from ANA but Oasis HongKong got them already....but surely theres still gonna be more sources out there

The seats in those pics in business class doesn't look like it can be reclined almost flat. Maybe after refurbishing and reconfiguration of those seats will include fully reclining seats?

Yup I'm aware of the -4F6 code, What I'm trying to say is that those planes aren't the typical Rolls Royce RB211 powered 747-4's of SAA. I think that's the same aircraft you were talking about. Hey I read from FI that ANZ's GE powered 747's will soon be retired as well,hopefully PAL will get get a grip of those as well and if that's the case prepare for a PAL herringbone style premium cabins:lol:...

I remember there was some brouhaha a while back when PAL was gonna lease an ANZ 744 for a short-term period. They had the new cabins and all. However, it didn't push through, and the 744 was leased to Air India instead. Aww. I wonder why PAL didn't push through with it


I think it does make sense PAL buying up 747's at least for a while,since it does carry a lot of PAX and in comparison to the brandnew 777-3ER it's second hand cost is at least $70M cheaper than 777-3ER. I was actually thinking they'll gonna buy those CF-6powered ones from ANA but Oasis HongKong got them already....but surely theres still gonna be more sources out there

Well, I'd rather PAL double their 773ER order. It's more expensive, but at least the aircraft is capable of true nonstop operations to the US west coast.

WOW! But why?

Their services is patterned after that of Virgin Atlantic,they even serve full meals on domestic economy flights. Try googling them and you'll know why:)

The seats in those pics in business class doesn't look like it can be reclined almost flat. Maybe after refurbishing and reconfiguration of those seats will include fully reclining seats?

Yep they doesnt fully lie flat,but I have been taking C-Class PAL trans-pac flights eversince. I prefer taking A340-300 since its C-Class seats are most comfortable ,747-4seats are somewhat cramped and looked tired even C-class except for C8168 and N754 being the worst, the next configuration of PAL upper class cabin will be the cocoon type seats similar to those business class seats used by CX and TG. But I dont like the color....brown:ohno:

Would you boys know the exact schedule for the refurbishment of the widebodies' cabins?

So Virgin Atlantic could have been 5* too. . I wonder why Emirates & Thai are still 4*. I've flown Malaysia Airlines several times and on boy, I recommend them to be downgraded to 4*.. or maybe I am just always unlucky? :lol:

Their services is patterned after that of Virgin Atlantic,they even serve full meals on domestic economy flights. Try googling them and you'll know why:)



Yep they doesnt fully lie flat,but I have been taking C-Class PAL trans-pac flights eversince. I prefer taking A340-300 since its C-Class seats are most comfortable ,747-4seats are somewhat cramped and looked tired even C-class except for C8168 and N754 being the worst, the next configuration of PAL upper class cabin will be the cocoon type seats similar to those business class seats used by CX and TG. But I dont like the color....brown:ohno:

i never thought there's a thread like this in SSC... Aviation fanatics.. hehehe BTW, whose playing here FS2004 and VATSIM...

^^ Welcome newbie! :lol: Yeah, this is one of the most popular threads here in SSC-Philippines. Glad to have you onboard and join in the discussion. :okay:

thanks...
yes, i can give seats available using the amadeus system.
regarding, the nondisclosure agreement wala nman kc PAL needs the travel agencies to promote dis new flight to make it profitable, its just that nauuna lng tlga ang news sa travel agencies. Nku, I've work hard to reach this & even attend seminar to learn the resa system of airlines.

And yes msarap mg-wrk sa industry na 'to at exciting. Lalo ng yung fam.tours... plus ang dmi kng mki2lala at dmi ka ding mtu2nuan about the airline industry.

congratulations. now you can give us info which flight dates have seats available.

manding, i think there don't have to be totally strictly sa nondisclosure something. kasi these info are available sa net anyway. masarap siguro magwork sa industry na to.

Zach, san makakabili ng B747-400 na scale model ng PAL? Gusto ko din niyan!!!


welcome aboard boom_box!

I just did notice na puro boys tlga tyu dito sa thread... mga aviation fanatics!
i never thought there's a thread like this in SSC... Aviation fanatics.. hehehe BTW, whose playing here FS2004 and VATSIM...

Their services is patterned after that of Virgin Atlantic,they even serve full meals on domestic economy flights. Try googling them and you'll know why:)



Yep they doesnt fully lie flat,but I have been taking C-Class PAL trans-pac flights eversince. I prefer taking A340-300 since its C-Class seats are most comfortable ,747-4seats are somewhat cramped and looked tired even C-class except for C8168 and N754 being the worst, the next configuration of PAL upper class cabin will be the cocoon type seats similar to those business class seats used by CX and TG. But I dont like the color....brown:ohno:

recaro seats din ba yung sa long haul business class ng CX and TG? As in the same type na ikakabit sa PAL?

Skytrax awarded Kingfisher Airlines of India 5 STARS.

http://www.airlinequality.com/images/1-a-1akngfg.jpg

what??? Oh my god. all i know Kingfisher Airlines is a Domestic Airline in India like Cebu Pacific. And now KF is a 5 star airline na? wow very proud of them... galing....:banana: talo na ang ibang airlines sa mundo.

baka super duper sarap nung chicken curry nila^^

DoTC OKs pact to boost nation’s air traffic system
(http://www.mb.com.ph/MAIN20071205110612.html)
By JC BELLO RUIZ

Department of Transportation and Communications (DoTC) Secretary Leandro R. Mendoza recently signed a consultancy contract that aims to enhance the safety, reliability, and efficiency of the country’s air traffic system.


The consultancy contract for the New Communications, Navigation, Surveillance/Air Traffic Management (CNS/ATM) Systems Development Project was signed by Mendoza and Eiichi Chaki, president of Aviation Systems Consultants Co. Ltd. (ASCO), who inked the contract in behalf of Airways International Limited of New Zealand at the DoTC Central Office at the Columbia Tower, Ortigas Ave., Mandaluyong City last Nov. 27, 2007.

Other signatories of the contract are Masaichi Yamamoto of Azusa Sekkei Co. Ltd. and Masami Kimishima of Katahira and Engineers International.

A DoTC statement said ASCO, in joint venture with Airways International Limited, Azusa Co. Ltd., and Katahira and Engineers International, won the bidding for consultancy of the New CNS/ATM Systems Project conducted by the DoTC in accordance with the Guidelines for the Employment of Consultants under the Japan Bank for International Cooperation (JBIC) Overseas Development Assistance (ODA) Loan.

The New CNS/ATM Systems Development Project aims to develop a dynamic and integrated CNS/ATM System using satellite technology to strengthen and improve the communications, navigation, and surveillance systems and automates air traffic management through developing Philippine-wide new CNS/ATM systems.

:rofl:

baka super duper sarap nung chicken curry nila^^

I remember there was some brouhaha a while back when PAL was gonna lease an ANZ 744 for a short-term period. They had the new cabins and all. However, it didn't push through, and the 744 was leased to Air India instead. Aww. I wonder why PAL didn't push through with it



Well, I'd rather PAL double their 773ER order. It's more expensive, but at least the aircraft is capable of true nonstop operations to the US west coast.

Here's my update, which is rather sad...according to my source the maintenance check with the former SAA 747-4 didn't go well, PAL's consultants from LTP found several maintenance loopholes on the aircraft's logbooks and found that most of it's parts are time expired already and PAL approximately needed to shell out more dough for its repairs. So PAL will not continue it's procurement. They were thinking of either just increasing their 777 order, or order a new widebody type next year.

In the short term to cope with the impending traffic increase next year they were thinking of leasing A330's to free their A340 on regional routes thus using it exclusively on Trans-pac flights. They are thinking of making flights to SFO from 11 to 14 times weekly,and introduce 15 and 16th weekly frequency to LAX..which is good cause those flights are damn fully booked all the time:ohno:

No wonder SAA was rushing to put their 747's out of service:ohno:. I read somewhere at ATP that their 747's are maintenance intensive,they must have got the lemon types of 747-4's:lol: ...buti na lang mas OC na ngayun ang LTP maintenance crews.

PHILIPPINE AIRCRAFT IMPORTS OCT 2007

To those who might be interested to know,reposted from Philskies

Cessna 150M 15077864 -10-2007 N7927U
Cessna 150L 15073505 -10-2007 N113LN
Cessna 152 15280120 -10-2007 N757YX
Cessna 152 15282798 -10-2007 N89589
Cessna 152 15280084 -10-2007 N757XK
Cessna 152 15281951 -10-2007 N67621
Cessna 152 15282542 -10-2007 N69193
Cessna 152 15282870 -10-2007 N89795
Cessna 152 15281527 -11-2007 N65399
Cessna 172L 17260312 -10-2007 N7012Q
Cessna 172M 17262808 -10-2007 N777BZ
Cessna 172P 17276315 -10-2007 N98581
Cessna 172P 17267507 -11-2007 N73497
Cessna 172P 17275041 -11-2007 N54730
Cessna 172S 172S9156 -10-2007 N406ER
Grumman G-164 Ag-Cat 112 -10-2007 N466Y
IAI 1124 Westwind 254 -11-2007 N60AV
Piper PA-23-250C Aztec 27-2736 -10-2007 N8396P C-GHWV N5625Y
Piper PA-34 Seneca 34-7450064 -10-2007 N997BW N94PG N4412W YS-124P N9613N
Piper PA-34 Seneca 34-7350051 -10-2007 N15338
Robin R2120U 355 -08-2007 G-VECE F-WZZY
Robin R2120U 373 -09-2007 F-HAMV F-WQOZ
Robin R2120U 366 -09-2007 F-HAPF
SNIAS SE-3130 Alouette II 1495 -10-2007 N348DB 75+82 QW+226 QK+531
Thrush S2R-T34 T34-281 -10-2007 N3088S
Thrush S2R-T34 T34-287 -11-2007 N3093K

Pics Pearl of the Pacific's Kalibo-Incheon run....with Asian Spirits MD-82

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/ravencute83/MyAviationNetPhotoID01199456.jpg

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/ravencute83/MyAviationNetPhotoID01199462.jpg

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/ravencute83/MyAviationNetPhotoID01199455.jpg

Subic Bay Airport with its barely used aerobridges

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/ravencute83/MyAviationNetPhotoID01199536.jpg

Special thanks to the photographer :) Michel R De Leon

5J on Terminal 1, probably bound for Hong Kong, December 1, 2007 640am

http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd150/colonelburger/Photo0075.jpg

News:

Bagong airlines / Comeback airlines na lilipad papuntang Manila by next year:

Hawaiian Airlines
OMAN Air
Air India
British Airways
Vietnam Airlines
Pakistan International Airlines
EgyptAir
Swissair

News:

Bagong airlines / Comeback airlines na lilipad papuntang Manila by next year:

Hawaiian Airlines
OMAN Air
Air India
British Airways
Vietnam Airlines
Pakistan International Airlines
EgyptAir
Swissair

Source please....

our company will be glad to hear that. now we can have direct flight to Geneva. no need to take Manila - Amsterdam - Geneva flight via KLM. well, it's not me who's flying. so it's not my problem. :)

News:

Bagong airlines / Comeback airlines na lilipad papuntang Manila by next year:

Hawaiian Airlines
OMAN Air
Air India
British Airways
Vietnam Airlines
Pakistan International Airlines
EgyptAir
Swissair
Source please....

^^ Yes. @Fraulein, please make it a habit to post/link your information source; it's only common courtesy to the readership of this thread.

Here's my update, which is rather sad...according to my source the maintenance check with the former SAA 747-4 didn't go well, PAL's consultants from LTP found several maintenance loopholes on the aircraft's logbooks and found that most of it's parts are time expired already and PAL approximately needed to shell out more dough for its repairs. So PAL will not continue it's procurement. They were thinking of either just increasing their 777 order, or order a new widebody type next year.

In the short term to cope with the impending traffic increase next year they were thinking of leasing A330's to free their A340 on regional routes thus using it exclusively on Trans-pac flights. They are thinking of making flights to SFO from 11 to 14 times weekly,and introduce 15 and 16th weekly frequency to LAX..which is good cause those flights are damn fully booked all the time:ohno:

No wonder SAA was rushing to put their 747's out of service:ohno:. I read somewhere at ATP that their 747's are maintenance intensive,they must have got the lemon types of 747-4's:lol: ...buti na lang mas OC na ngayun ang LTP maintenance crews.

Well, I guess this means A380s! Haha, I wish.

It's sad that SAA didn't take care of their 747s that well. The -4F6 models were delivered in 1998; they're far newer than any of PAL's current 747s. Logic would dictate that a younger plane would be in better shape, but if they don't properly maintain the planes, then it's all moot.

Damn, double-daily to LAX and SFO already? Do they even have enough planes? PAL's current winter schedule is really pushing it as it is. I seriously wonder how they can pull off such a tight long-haul schedule with only 9 long-haul aircraft (8, if GMA has to go somewhere) The minute a plane goes out of service, of if there's a delay, the schedules can go down like a house of cards. PAL's utilization rates are insane.




News:

Bagong airlines / Comeback airlines na lilipad papuntang Manila by next year:

Hawaiian Airlines
OMAN Air
Air India
British Airways
Vietnam Airlines
Pakistan International Airlines
EgyptAir
Swissair

Err, source? I know Hawaiian is going to fly here for sure, but Oman Air is still figuring its fleet out. They'll fly to Manila, but I'm not sure if it's as early as next year.

Air India was said to be interested in starting a Manila route, but then again, PAL also made a bit of noise about wanting to fly to Mumbai; neither seem to be going anywhere.

British Airways chooses its destinations carefully, picking the ones that'll sell the most tickets in First and Business class. Manila is not one of those destinations. Besides, they channel their Manila-bound passengers through Cathay Pacific.

Vietnam Airlines codeshares with PAL, and PAL fills their Manila-Ho Chi Minh flights with Vietnamese passengers going to the United States and Canada. VN would be hard-pressed to compete with PAL if they decided to start their own flights, unless if they flew from Hanoi.

PIA wanted to fly here, but they wanted the rights to pick up passengers between Manila and Japan. The request was denied, so the plans have been shelved AFAIK.

Egyptair suspended their Manila route because it bled cash. There isn't much evidence to indicate a change in circumstances. The same applies to Swiss (Swissair doesn't exist anymore), except in the case of Swiss, they're owned by Lufthansa, and Lufthansa already flies here five times weekly via Guangzhou. Why would Swiss start service when their parent company can't even make a proper daily nonstop flight work?

I'd love to be wrong, as that would mean that we'd get a lot more cool airlines at the NAIA, but I'd check that source. With the exception of Hawaiian, and maybe Air India and PIA, none of the above airlines are likely to serve Manila any time soon.

baka super duper sarap nung chicken curry nila^^

in fairness talagang magaganda at gwapo, matangkad ang mga flight attendants nila

@Solblanc: Thanks for the info and explaining them! :okay:

Well, I guess this means A380s! Haha, I wish.

It's sad that SAA didn't take care of their 747s that well. The -4F6 models were delivered in 1998; they're far newer than any of PAL's current 747s. Logic would dictate that a younger plane would be in better shape, but if they don't properly maintain the planes, then it's all moot.

Damn, double-daily to LAX and SFO already? Do they even have enough planes? PAL's current winter schedule is really pushing it as it is. I seriously wonder how they can pull off such a tight long-haul schedule with only 9 long-haul aircraft (8, if GMA has to go somewhere) The minute a plane goes out of service, of if there's a delay, the schedules can go down like a house of cards. PAL's utilization rates are insane.

Yeah I was hoping for A380's as well,but due to the recent tides of events I guess 747-8 will be more likely. According to my source in the upper chamber since PAL had made payments to most of it's loans in US banks. They're are now being offered with a very attractive financing package if they would buy Boeing aircraft plus US currency is now a lot cheaper. It was the same issue with CebPac because their financing package from BNP-Paribas on their Airbuses was a lot higher in comparison to that of AirAsia. So I guess thats the reason why JG didnt pull the tab with Airbus in his last visit to Toulouse. Mind you both PAL and CebPac are banging their heads on the wall,because few years ago A320 is much cheaper to buy but little more expensive to operate in comparison to NG737, Because of weak US currency NG737 is now cheaper to buy and cheaper to operate.

Not that I think SAA didnt take a good care of that particular 747 its just that being a nuisance on their fleet (hes the only GE on the pool of RR) that plane must have always been singled out in any maintenance upgrade, (though It was said that its Total time was low in comparison to other aircraft in the fleet) beside I dont think it was on the mind of SAA to put into their fleet for a long time..since their A340-5/600 is already on their way

Actually LAX is now twice daily during Tue/Wed/Fri/Sun though the second run is usually A340 but is now both 747 during peak season,There were "unofficial flights" every other week during Mon/Wed/Sun to accommodate overbooked PAX,but this seems to be likely be the case the whole Dec. With SFO its twice daily during Fri and Sun with A340 taking the second flight though they normally add a "unoficial flights" during wed and tues as well... I had once taken this unofficial flight May last year to LAX on A340, Though since it wasnt a scheduled flight I thought it wouldnt be full, but even on C class we were cramming,and the economy was insane with senior citizens lining up on the lavatories all the time:ohno:....

IMO I think even if PAL would officially add these flights to their scheds (fleet permitting) they will still gonna make money out of it,Imagine how many PAX are flying CAL,Eva,KAL,Asiana,CX that they can snatch back?

Source please....

theres also a new airline from abu dhabi to clark for got the name to start operations next yeare using dc 10's or mr 11;s not sure buts its advertised in tfc riyadh

theres also a new airline from abu dhabi to clark for got the name to start operations next yeare using dc 10's or mr 11;s not sure buts its advertised in tfc riyadh

Alam ko yan. Read this...
:)
Kang Pacific Airways, a low-cost new entrant to be based in Fujairah, will launch its first flight Dec. 20 to Manila. Operating initially with two leased DC-10s, the carrier owned by UK-based businessman Paul Kang will fly the route thrice-weekly to start and intends to expand to Kochin in February, when it will launch a twice-weekly service. Kang told ATWOnline here that he has invested $10 million in the startup and that "demand is very high" for low-fare service from the UAE to countries that provide a significant number of workforce and visitors to the Gulf state or those who may use it as a connecting point between the UK and South Asia. KPA is planning to begin flying to Nottingham East Midlands in June and eventually to Amritsar, Dhaka and Columbo. Kang said all routes could be operated initially with the two aircraft and offered no details about further aircraft acquisitions. KPA will offer full meal service onboard and free bus service from Dubai, Abu Dhabi and the other Emirates to Fujairah.
by Brian Straus

Source: http://atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=10799

Well, I guess this means A380s! Haha, I wish.

It's sad that SAA didn't take care of their 747s that well. The -4F6 models were delivered in 1998; they're far newer than any of PAL's current 747s. Logic would dictate that a younger plane would be in better shape, but if they don't properly maintain the planes, then it's all moot.

Damn, double-daily to LAX and SFO already? Do they even have enough planes? PAL's current winter schedule is really pushing it as it is. I seriously wonder how they can pull off such a tight long-haul schedule with only 9 long-haul aircraft (8, if GMA has to go somewhere) The minute a plane goes out of service, of if there's a delay, the schedules can go down like a house of cards. PAL's utilization rates are insane.






Err, source? I know Hawaiian is going to fly here for sure, but Oman Air is still figuring its fleet out. They'll fly to Manila, but I'm not sure if it's as early as next year.

Air India was said to be interested in starting a Manila route, but then again, PAL also made a bit of noise about wanting to fly to Mumbai; neither seem to be going anywhere.

British Airways chooses its destinations carefully, picking the ones that'll sell the most tickets in First and Business class. Manila is not one of those destinations. Besides, they channel their Manila-bound passengers through Cathay Pacific.

Vietnam Airlines codeshares with PAL, and PAL fills their Manila-Ho Chi Minh flights with Vietnamese passengers going to the United States and Canada. VN would be hard-pressed to compete with PAL if they decided to start their own flights, unless if they flew from Hanoi.

PIA wanted to fly here, but they wanted the rights to pick up passengers between Manila and Japan. The request was denied, so the plans have been shelved AFAIK.

Egyptair suspended their Manila route because it bled cash. There isn't much evidence to indicate a change in circumstances. The same applies to Swiss (Swissair doesn't exist anymore), except in the case of Swiss, they're owned by Lufthansa, and Lufthansa already flies here five times weekly via Guangzhou. Why would Swiss start service when their parent company can't even make a proper daily nonstop flight work?

I'd love to be wrong, as that would mean that we'd get a lot more cool airlines at the NAIA, but I'd check that source. With the exception of Hawaiian, and maybe Air India and PIA, none of the above airlines are likely to serve Manila any time soon.
galeng, ano possibilty ng united kasi madami akong mileage plus
in fairness talagang magaganda at gwapo, matangkad ang mga flight attendants nila
ye maganda yung babae sa previous page

News:

Bagong airlines / Comeback airlines na lilipad papuntang Manila by next year:

Hawaiian Airlines
OMAN Air
Air India
British Airways
Vietnam Airlines
Pakistan International Airlines
EgyptAir
Swissair

is this true... eh di mas ok mas madaming traffic ang mnl... pero impossible ang VN bec. of PR codeshare


Egyptair suspended their Manila route because it bled cash. There isn't much evidence to indicate a change in circumstances. The same applies to Swiss (Swissair doesn't exist anymore), except in the case of Swiss, they're owned by Lufthansa, and Lufthansa already flies here five times weekly via Guangzhou. Why would Swiss start service when their parent company can't even make a proper daily nonstop flight work?

I'd love to be wrong, as that would mean that we'd get a lot more cool airlines at the NAIA, but I'd check that source. With the exception of Hawaiian, and maybe Air India and PIA, none of the above airlines are likely to serve Manila any time soon.

I think there still a possibility that LX will still fly here. I check on the system, LH already had daily direct flight here via CAN w/c means it is a profitable route and same as KL they are already a daily nonstop flight. So i think the demand for Europe is still there amidst the Middle East airlines' rampant flights here.

There were also news that PAL is planning their 3x a week flight to HNL to be daily to compete w/ HA's i think 3 or 4x a week flight here, coz before PAL is the sole manipulator (hehehe..) of that direct route. Now competition is on.:)

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x287/GearX_2007/another/CAB.gif

http://www.philippinebusiness.com.ph/

I think there still a possibility that LX will still fly here. I check on the system, LH already had daily direct flight here via CAN w/c means it is a profitable route and same as KL they are already a daily nonstop flight. So i think the demand for Europe is still there amidst the Middle East airlines' rampant flights here.
However, LH owns LX. It would be counter productive for LX to compete with LH on a route like Manila.



There were also news that PAL is planning their 3x a week flight to HNL to be daily to compete w/ HA's i think 3 or 4x a week flight here, coz before PAL is the sole manipulator (hehehe..) of that direct route. Now competition is on.:)

Now that would be really cool.


galeng, ano possibilty ng united kasi madami akong mileage plus



A lot of people want it, but when the numbers were crunched, UA would make more money flying passengers to Hong Kong or Shanghai, then interlining with PAL.

@Solblanc: Thanks for the info and explaining them! :okay: Anytime ;)

Yeah I was hoping for A380's as well,but due to the recent tides of events I guess 747-8 will be more likely. According to my source in the upper chamber since PAL had made payments to most of it's loans in US banks. They're are now being offered with a very attractive financing package if they would buy Boeing aircraft plus US currency is now a lot cheaper. It was the same issue with CebPac because their financing package from BNP-Paribas on their Airbuses was a lot higher in comparison to that of AirAsia. So I guess thats the reason why JG didnt pull the tab with Airbus in his last visit to Toulouse. Mind you both PAL and CebPac are banging their heads on the wall,because few years ago A320 is much cheaper to buy but little more expensive to operate in comparison to NG737, Because of weak US currency NG737 is now cheaper to buy and cheaper to operate.



So it's been proven that the 737 is cheaper to operate given our conditions? I've always read kasi that the A320 and the 737 are practically equal, except that one is sometimes better than the other given certain factors (cargo, distances, cycles, temperatures and altitudes of the airport, etc)

I don't think that Cebu Pacific is regretting not getting the 737, though. For one, Boeing was so intent on selling them the 717 instead. I do wonder, though, what would've happened to Cebu Pacific had they ordered the 717 instead of the A319.

Regarding the 748/380, I think it's better for PAL to wait for actual performance data from both before committing to either one. An A380 would be cool, though, but in a 2-class config for PAL, how many will that carry, 600? That's a bit scary :)

Justice League super heroes join PAL junior jetsetters onboard (http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page=goodLife2_dec6_2007)

Philippine Airlines’ young Junior Jetsetter passengers aged 2-11 years are advised to fasten their seatbelts and get ready for an exciting ride ahead as DC Comics’ Justice League Super Heroes join them onboard.

Wonder Woman, Batman, Superman, Hawkgirl, Green Lantern, The Flash and Martian Manhunter join PAL’s youngest passengers traveling between Manila and San Francisco, Los Angeles, Vancouver, Las Vegas, Honolulu, Melbourne and Sydney in activity kits specially created for Philippine Airlines.

Two different activity sets, packed in easy-to-carry tote bags, are available for flights originating from Manila and for flights bound for Manila. Both kits contain an activity book which will entertain and educate children on popular travel destinations. In addition, the silver Justice League kit, which is distributed on flights out of Manila, carries an IQ puzzle, collectible lenticular cards, stackable crayons and a rubber wrist band. The blue Justice League kit distributed on flights back to Manila contains static cling stickers, an embosser, a notepad and a box of crayons.

“This year marks the fourth year that Philippine Airlines has partnered with Warner Bros. Consumer Products to offer inflight kits featuring popular and well-loved characters to our young passengers. This speaks of our commitment to provide our passengers, no matter what their age, with the best inflight service and product that Philippine Airlines has to offer,” said PAL’s vice president for marketing Felix Cruz. “Families represent a large segment of our passengers and it is important for us to ensure that we cater to their needs. By providing suitable entertainment for our young passengers, we make their earliest experience with PAL as fun and comfortable as possible and also give their parents or guardians a chance to relax onboard.”

“We are pleased to continue our partnership with Philippine Airlines to bring great entertainment to young travelers,” said Bianca Lee, managing director for Warner Bros. Consumer Products, Greater China, Southeast Asia and India. “Through the powerful force of the Justice League heroes, we hope these inflight kits will provide hours of activity and fun to the passengers.”

About Philippine Airlines Inc.

Philippine Airlines is the Philippines’ flag carrier. It is the first commercial airline in Asia and flies both domestic and international flights. The airline currently serves 18 domestic cities and 23 foreign cities.

About Warner Bros. Consumer Products

Warner Bros. Consumer Products, a Warner Bros. Entertainment Company, is one of the leading licensing and retailing merchandising organizations in the world.

About DC Comics

DC Comics, a Warner Bros. Entertainment Company, is the largest English-language publisher of comics in the world and home to such iconic characters as Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman and the Sandman. These DC Super Heroes and others have starred in comic books, movies, television series (both animated and live-action) and cyberspace, thrilling audiences of all ages for generations. DC Comics’ Web site is located at www.dccomics.com.

Justice League and all related characters and elements are trademarks of and © DC Comics.

Philippine Airlines girds for future market growth (http://business.inquirer.net/money/breakingnews/view_article.php?article_id=99702)

MANILA, Philippines -- Strong consumer spending and a positive global outlook are expected to boost the aviation industry, especially in the Asian region.

This should give Philippine Airlines (PAL) the impetus for future growth in the regional and trans-Pacific market, aviation industry analyst and consultant Centre for Asia-Pacific Aviation (CAPA) said.

The CAPA statement came at the heels of a record year for the Philippine national carrier, which registered $140.3 million in net profit for fiscal year 2006-2007, more than six times the figure registered the previous year.

Revenues rose 12.8 percent to $1.39 billion, largely attributed to effective fuel conservation and a solid load factor.

PAL’s core profits reaching $20 million during the same period, and the most recent quarterly results showed $34.5 million in profits, up more than 100 percent year-on-year.

“Few airlines have reformed themselves so comprehensively as Philippine Airlines. An unflinching cost focus, network focus and superb productivity enhancements have provided Philippine Airlines the platform to profitably expand and establish a strong position in the region’s aviation industry,” CAPA executive chairman Peter Harbison said.

For PAL, the arrival of new aircraft to be deployed in both the regional and trans-Pacific routes should strengthen its hold in the core North American market.

The first of six B777-300ERs are expected to arrive in 2009, while the B737-300s will soon be retired and replaced with the A320 family aircraft. With newer aircraft, CAPA foresees an improvement in core performance.

Besides ensuring a better dispatch reliability and lower unit costs, a newer fleet will result in lower unit fuel consumption and maintenance bill, with the latter category recording a 12 percent year-on-year drop in the most recent quarterly filing.

In the area of operating cost reduction, CAPA noted PAL was one of the first airlines in Asia to comply with IATA’s e-ticketing standards, and that it has also implemented a staff productivity improvement program that has seen revenue per employee rising by 10.5 percent annually since 1999.

CAPA said that the airline has been able to maximize returns from its lucrative North American market, with 21 weekly flights across the Pacific now accounting for 20 percent of current total revenue.

In June this year, the airline spent $50 million to reconfigure its long-haul aircrafts to remove the first-class section and increase the size of its business and economy cabins.

PAL presently has flights to Guam, Honolulu, Las Vegas via Vancouver (five times weekly), and is considering the addition of services to Seattle and San Diego, given their huge Filipino communities. Besides Canada and the US, the airline has identified China, Japan and South Korea as international markets for expansion.

Current flights to Tokyo emanate from both Manila and Cebu, since Japan is the second biggest source of foreign arrivals. In China, PAL already flies daily to Xiamen and Shanghai, with Beijing is served five times a week. There are four scheduled daily flights to Hong Kong, while Chongqing will soon be served by new aircraft as soon as they arrive.

Additional flights to Australia are expected, with the three weekly services to Melbourne/Sydney seen doubling. PAL is also mulling a possible return to Europe and the launch of services to India and Cambodia.

The airline is considering an investment of at least $500 million at the former Clark Air Base, which is now considered an alternate international airport should Manila terminal become too congested. Most of the investment will go to new technical, maintenance and catering facilities.

PAL is also planning to forge alliances that offer feed opportunities in the US and Europe, both being potential major revenue and traffic generators.

With increasing activity in the industry, CAPA sees PAL’s allocation of international route rights as its main advantage despite the arrival of low-cost airlines, giving the Philippine’s flag carrier solid prospects.

Philippine Airlines to add flights to U.S. West coast during Christmas (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-11/13/content_7065900.htm)

Philippine Airlines (PAL), the country's major carrier for international routes, on Tuesday said it will increase the flights to the U.S. West Coast during the Christmas season.

In a statement posted on the website, PAL said Starting on Nov. 25, the airline will add two flights per week between Manila and Los Angeles, while an extra weekly flight between Manila and San Francisco will be operated starting on the same date.

The additional flights in West Coast will increase the current 17 to 20 flights weekly with 11 flights between Manila and Los Angeles and nine flights between Manila and San Francisco.

PAL said it will also consider increase the flights to Melbourne and Sydney of Australia, Singapore and Bangkok of Thailand during Christmas, the busiest travel season in the year.

PAL said its check-in counters at the Ninoy Aquino International Airport terminal in Manila will be open to serve passengers as early as 04:00 a.m. local time for the international flights.

The United States is a major destination for overseas Filipino workers who will usually come home for family reunion at Christmas, taking back their hard-earned money after one year toil on foreign soil. Most of the Filipinos settle on the western coast of the United States.

Cebu Pacific announces Cebu-Bangkok direct flights (http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/ceb/2007/12/07/life/cebu.pacific.announces.cebu.bangkok.direct.flights.html)

Cebu Pacific Air (CEB) will fly direct from Cebu to Bangkok thrice weekly, starting April 6, 2008, bringing to six its non-stop international services from its Cebu hub.

From Cebu, CEB currently flies direct to Hong Kong, Singapore, Incheon, Pusan and Taipei beginning Dec. 14. The airline’s thrice weekly Cebu-Taipei service has a year round ‘Go’ fare starting from P999 one-way.

Cebu Pacific Airlines will also be flying a direct daily service between Cebu and Boracay (Caticlan) when it takes delivery of its second ATR72 in March next year. It will also take its Cebu-Cagayan de Oro service from thrice weekly to four times weekly beginning Jan. 9, 2008 and its Cebu-Davao service will become a thrice daily operation starting May 8, 2008.

The airline also announced an ongoing Cebu-Butuan P1 seat sale. The seat sale and travel period for this promotion will run from Dec. 4, 2007 to Feb. 29, 2008.

From Manila, CEB flies to 11 international destinations while from Davao, it will have two non-stop international services beginning May of next year.

Candice Iyog, Cebu Pacific Airlines vice president for marketing and product, said that the airline is making flying so convenient that passengers from the country’s three main islands have more options available to them for their domestic and international travel needs.

“We are offering an unbeatable package of convenience, low fares, and the newest aircraft. We are revolutionizing travel in the Philippines and wherever we go, we are able to influence competing services and fares,” she said.

CEB is the only airline flying from Cebu to Bangkok. CEB has a seat sale with a P999 one-way fare for this route starting from Dec. 5 to 10, 2007 only and is valid for the travel period of April 6 to June 30, 2008. The year-round ‘Go’ fare is pegged at P1,499 one-way. Fares quoted are exclusive of taxes and surcharges.

“We will continue to expand our operations in our Cebu hub as the demand for air travel in the Visayas and Mindanao regions continue to rise. And we will constantly find ways to improve our operations as part of our commitment to make air travel more accessible and comfortable for all Filipinos,” Iyog added.

CEB recently added a 4th aircraft to its Cebu hub operations Nov.3, 2007.

nasa serbisyo yan ng eroplano at airlines at mga empleyado nito...kaya siguro ganun...

Cebu Pacific announces Cebu-Bangkok direct flights (http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/ceb/2007/12/07/life/cebu.pacific.announces.cebu.bangkok.direct.flights.html)

Cebu Pacific Air (CEB) will fly direct from Cebu to Bangkok thrice weekly, starting April 6, 2008, bringing to six its non-stop international services from its Cebu hub.

From Cebu, CEB currently flies direct to Hong Kong, Singapore, Incheon, Pusan and Taipei beginning Dec. 14. The airline’s thrice weekly Cebu-Taipei service has a year round ‘Go’ fare starting from P999 one-way.

Cebu Pacific Airlines will also be flying a direct daily service between Cebu and Boracay (Caticlan) when it takes delivery of its second ATR72 in March next year. It will also take its Cebu-Cagayan de Oro service from thrice weekly to four times weekly beginning Jan. 9, 2008 and its Cebu-Davao service will become a thrice daily operation starting May 8, 2008.

The airline also announced an ongoing Cebu-Butuan P1 seat sale. The seat sale and travel period for this promotion will run from Dec. 4, 2007 to Feb. 29, 2008.

From Manila, CEB flies to 11 international destinations while from Davao, it will have two non-stop international services beginning May of next year.

Candice Iyog, Cebu Pacific Airlines vice president for marketing and product, said that the airline is making flying so convenient that passengers from the country’s three main islands have more options available to them for their domestic and international travel needs.

“We are offering an unbeatable package of convenience, low fares, and the newest aircraft. We are revolutionizing travel in the Philippines and wherever we go, we are able to influence competing services and fares,” she said.

CEB is the only airline flying from Cebu to Bangkok. CEB has a seat sale with a P999 one-way fare for this route starting from Dec. 5 to 10, 2007 only and is valid for the travel period of April 6 to June 30, 2008. The year-round ‘Go’ fare is pegged at P1,499 one-way. Fares quoted are exclusive of taxes and surcharges.

“We will continue to expand our operations in our Cebu hub as the demand for air travel in the Visayas and Mindanao regions continue to rise. And we will constantly find ways to improve our operations as part of our commitment to make air travel more accessible and comfortable for all Filipinos,” Iyog added.

CEB recently added a 4th aircraft to its Cebu hub operations Nov.3, 2007.



CEB needs to fix their online ticket purchasing using a credit card particularly from the US or many other countries. At one point, I was able to buy a ticket online using my US credit card, but a year later it wouldn't take it anymore. Up until now, it's been two years later and still it isn't working. I was told that the system used to approve the card is too fast that it can't capture the information on the card. hmmm, but that was just one of the counter ticket agent saying this, so I wonder if she really knew what she was talking about.

Post away guys. Whic is better in terms of.......

CEBU PACIFIC


or


PHILIPPINE AIRLINES

I remember when I was still small, Philippine Airlines serves meals on its Cebu-Manila flights..




..

^^ they no longer serve meals? snacks?

Which has better commercial?

E1AtH7cMIUI

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CEBU PACIFIC

cebupacific because it's cheaper by a hundred bucks.:D

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x287/GearX_2007/another/CAB.gif

http://www.philippinebusiness.com.ph/

:cheers:

PAL!

but good thing that CebuPacific's there...
it lowered down the rates big time...
so.. consumers are the one benefiting at the end...

Interms of service, its incomparable because 5J's just an LCC...

When I go home to Cebu, I prefer PAL. When I go back to Manila, I prefer CEB.

^^ I know the reason, wahehehe!! Is it all about the terminal in MNL? :D

^^Yep yep! The domestic terminal is nice since it has a lot of taxis, pretty convenient whenever I get back from Home. That is the only thing I like about that terminal, everything else is just... nevermind. I wouldn't worry about those things when all I have to do is get my luggage and go on my merry way. :D

@Fraulein

I like the CEB commercial better, foreigners may have a different oppinion.

Which has better commercial?

E1AtH7cMIUI

PHILIPPINE AIRLINES



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CEBU PACIFIC


2 different concepts of advertising, so you cant compare these 2 videos.

I prefer Cebu Pacific and will soon try the services of SEAir on my next trip. Im not really impressed with the other airline and its terminal.


JB Photography (http://www.webshots.com/user/jbkayaker)

Our family is used to Philippine Airlines. Hindi pa ako nakasakay ng ibang air carrier

^^ Because if you did, then what will happen? hahaha!!! z:D
I grew up with PAL (being jetsetter since '86) from Shorts 360, Bac 1-11, Fokker 50, Airbus A300, A330 & A340 & B737s. Never complained about their service.

I got used to Cebu Pacific because of its affordability and games. I choose both, I'll ride 2P when its necessary.

^^ Because if you did, then what will happen? hahaha!!! z:D


What are you trying to imply?

Ayoko sa Cebu Pacific, wala kaming kaibigan du'n. Gusto ko si PAL para makabusiness class naman kami :lol:

^^ Sabi ko na nga ba. Wala lang. :D Sorry, I'm not rich to have biz class (pwera na lang kung sa barko, wahahhahahaha!!!!) :lol:
Di ako maarte, basta makaabot lang ako sa pupuntahan ko ng buhay at komportable, ok na yun sa akin. Kaya between 5J and PR? I choose both! :D

2 different concepts of advertising, so you cant compare these 2 videos.

I prefer Cebu Pacific and will soon try the services of SEAir on my next trip. Im not really impressed with the other airline and its terminal.


JB Photography (http://www.webshots.com/user/jbkayaker)

Good Evening Sir,

Ang tanong ko po kung alin ang mas magandang commercial or yung mas may dating sa masa. :)

^^ Di ba, when they created that CebuPacific commercial, they were not a declared LCC yet? Meron pa ngang Summit Miles (sayang di ko naredeem!! grrr!!) :D

But anyway, it has an appeal to the traveling public though.

The PAL commercial is to entice the foreign tourists to come to the Fiesta Islands Philippines (Wow Philippines back then).

The 5J commercial on the other hand deals more of the domestic traveling being on time with your family and your loved ones.

So medyo may difference nga ang market ng dalawang patalastas.

When I go home to Cebu, I prefer PAL. When I go back to Manila, I prefer CEB.

haha style din yan ng tita ko pag walang sundo kasi mas mura/accessible nga naman ang taxi sa domestic

^^ Sabi ko na nga ba. Wala lang. :D Sorry, I'm not rich to have biz class (pwera na lang kung sa barko, wahahhahahaha!!!!) :lol:
Di ako maarte, basta makaabot lang ako sa pupuntahan ko ng buhay at komportable, ok na yun sa akin. Kaya between 5J and PR? I choose both! :D

Hindi namin maafford ang business class ano. We just have the chance to avail business class kung nandun ang aming kakilala :D

Which is better?

DESTINATIONS:

PHILIPPINE AIRLINES

Asia
East Asia
China, People's Republic of
o Beijing (Beijing Capital International Airport)
o Chengdu (Chengdu Shuangliu International Airport) (begins March 18, 2008)
o Chongqing (Chongqing Jiangbei International Airport) (begins March 18, 2008)
o Hong Kong (Hong Kong International Airport)
o Shanghai (Shanghai Pudong International Airport)
o Xiamen (Xiamen Gaoqi International Airport)
China, Republic of (Taiwan)
o Taipei (Taiwan Taoyuan International Airport)
Japan
o Fukuoka (Fukuoka Airport)
o Nagoya (Chubu International Airport)
o Osaka (Kansai International Airport)
o Tokyo (Narita International Airport)
Korea, South
o Busan (Gimhae International Airport)
o Seoul (Incheon International Airport)

Southeast Asia
Indonesia
o Jakarta (Soekarno-Hatta International Airport)
Philippines
o Luzon
+ Laoag (Laoag International Airport)
+ Legazpi (Legazpi Airport)
+ Manila (Ninoy Aquino International Airport) - main hub
+ Puerto Princesa (Puerto Princesa Airport)
o Visayas
+ Bacolod (Bacolod City Domestic Airport)
+ Cebu (Mactan-Cebu International Airport) - hub
+ Iloilo (Iloilo International Airport)
+ Kalibo (Kalibo Airport)
+ Roxas City (Roxas Airport)
+ Tacloban (Daniel Z. Romualdez Airport)
+ Tagbilaran (Tagbilaran Airport)
o Mindanao
+ Butuan (Bancasi Airport)
+ Cagayan de Oro (Lumbia Airport)
+ Cotabato City (Awang Airport)
+ Davao City (Francisco Bangoy International Airport)
+ Dipolog (Dipolog Airport)
+ General Santos (General Santos International Airport)
+ Zamboanga (Zamboanga International Airport)
Singapore
o Singapore (Singapore Changi Airport)
Thailand
o Bangkok (Suvarnabhumi Airport)
Vietnam
o Ho Chi Minh City (Tan Son Nhat International Airport)

[edit] North America

Canada
o Vancouver (Vancouver International Airport)
United States
o Honolulu (Honolulu International Airport)
o Las Vegas (McCarran International Airport)
o Los Angeles (Los Angeles International Airport)
o San Francisco (San Francisco International Airport)

Oceania

Australia
o Melbourne (Melbourne Airport)
o Sydney (Kingsford Smith International Airport)
Guam
o Hagåtña (Antonio B. Won Pat International Airport)

CEBU PACIFIC

Asia

East Asia
China China, People's Republic of
o Guangzhou (Guangzhou Baiyun International Airport)
o Hong Kong (Hong Kong International Airport)
o Macau (Macau International Airport)
o Shanghai (Shanghai Pudong International Airport)
o Xiamen (Xiamen Gaoqi International Airport)
China, Republic of (Taiwan)
o Taipei (Taiwan Taoyuan International Airport)
Korea, South
o Seoul (Incheon International Airport)
o Busan (Gimhae International Airport)

Southeast Asia
Indonesia
o Jakarta (Soekarno-Hatta International Airport)
Malaysia
o Kuala Lumpur (Kuala Lumpur International Airport)
Philippines
o Luzon
+ Angeles City (Diosdado Macapagal International Airport)
+ Laoag (Laoag International Airport)
+ Legazpi (Legazpi Airport)
+ Manila (Ninoy Aquino International Airport) Main hub
o Visayas
+ Bacolod (Bacolod City Domestic Airport)
+ Cebu (Mactan-Cebu International Airport) Hub
+ Dumaguete (Sibulan Airport)
+ Iloilo (Iloilo International Airport)
+ Malay (Godofredo P. Ramos Airport) [begins February 29]
+ Kalibo (Kalibo Airport)
+ Puerto Princesa (Puerto Princesa Airport)
+ Roxas City (Roxas Airport)
+ Tacloban (Daniel Z. Romualdez Airport)
+ Tagbilaran (Tagbilaran Airport)
o Mindanao
+ Butuan (Bancasi Airport)
+ Cagayan de Oro (Lumbia Airport)
+ Cotabato City (Awang Airport)
+ Davao City (Francisco Bangoy International Airport) Focus City
+ Dipolog City (Dipolog Airport)
+ General Santos (General Santos International Airport)
+ Zamboanga City (Zamboanga International Airport)
Singapore
o Singapore (Singapore Changi Airport)
Thailand
o Bangkok (Suvarnabhumi Airport)

;16954509']haha style din yan ng tita ko pag walang sundo kasi mas mura/accessible nga naman ang taxi sa domestic

Same here. At least I will not stay long in the domestic terminal if I'll choose PAL. hehehe!!!! Pero as always, roundtrip is always 5J back and forth & PR back and forth.

Hindi namin maafford ang business class ano. We just have the chance to avail business class kung nandun ang aming kakilala :D

Uyyy.....koneksyon. :lol:

^ is it better destinations or who has more?

PR of course! Much better legroom + Mabuhay Class and domestic lounges.

Despite all the complaints you hear about PR and increasingly on 5J, both carriers are considered heaven compared to the worst airlines I've ever flew with - Delta, Northwest and US Airways...

Which is better?

DESTINATIONS:

PHILIPPINE AIRLINES

Asia
East Asia
China, People's Republic of
o Beijing (Beijing Capital International Airport)
o Chengdu (Chengdu Shuangliu International Airport) (begins March 18, 2008)
o Chongqing (Chongqing Jiangbei International Airport) (begins March 18, 2008)
o Hong Kong (Hong Kong International Airport)
o Shanghai (Shanghai Pudong International Airport)
o Xiamen (Xiamen Gaoqi International Airport)
China, Republic of (Taiwan)
o Taipei (Taiwan Taoyuan International Airport)
Japan
o Fukuoka (Fukuoka Airport)
o Nagoya (Chubu International Airport)
o Osaka (Kansai International Airport)
o Tokyo (Narita International Airport)
Korea, South
o Busan (Gimhae International Airport)
o Seoul (Incheon International Airport)

Southeast Asia
Indonesia
o Jakarta (Soekarno-Hatta International Airport)
Philippines
o Luzon
+ Laoag (Laoag International Airport)
+ Legazpi (Legazpi Airport)
+ Manila (Ninoy Aquino International Airport) - main hub
+ Puerto Princesa (Puerto Princesa Airport)
o Visayas
+ Bacolod (Bacolod City Domestic Airport)
+ Cebu (Mactan-Cebu International Airport) - hub
+ Iloilo (Iloilo International Airport)
+ Kalibo (Kalibo Airport)
+ Roxas City (Roxas Airport)
+ Tacloban (Daniel Z. Romualdez Airport)
+ Tagbilaran (Tagbilaran Airport)
o Mindanao
+ Butuan (Bancasi Airport)
+ Cagayan de Oro (Lumbia Airport)
+ Cotabato City (Awang Airport)
+ Davao City (Francisco Bangoy International Airport)
+ Dipolog (Dipolog Airport)
+ General Santos (General Santos International Airport)
+ Zamboanga (Zamboanga International Airport)
Singapore
o Singapore (Singapore Changi Airport)
Thailand
o Bangkok (Suvarnabhumi Airport)
Vietnam
o Ho Chi Minh City (Tan Son Nhat International Airport)

[edit] North America

Canada
o Vancouver (Vancouver International Airport)
United States
o Honolulu (Honolulu International Airport)
o Las Vegas (McCarran International Airport)
o Los Angeles (Los Angeles International Airport)
o San Francisco (San Francisco International Airport)

Oceania

Australia
o Melbourne (Melbourne Airport)
o Sydney (Kingsford Smith International Airport)
Guam
o Hagåtña (Antonio B. Won Pat International Airport)

CEBU PACIFIC

Asia

East Asia
China China, People's Republic of
o Guangzhou (Guangzhou Baiyun International Airport)
o Hong Kong (Hong Kong International Airport)
o Macau (Macau International Airport)
o Shanghai (Shanghai Pudong International Airport)
o Xiamen (Xiamen Gaoqi International Airport)
China, Republic of (Taiwan)
o Taipei (Taiwan Taoyuan International Airport)
Korea, South
o Seoul (Incheon International Airport)
o Busan (Gimhae International Airport)

Southeast Asia
Indonesia
o Jakarta (Soekarno-Hatta International Airport)
Malaysia
o Kuala Lumpur (Kuala Lumpur International Airport)
Philippines
o Luzon
+ Angeles City (Diosdado Macapagal International Airport)
+ Laoag (Laoag International Airport)
+ Legazpi (Legazpi Airport)
+ Manila (Ninoy Aquino International Airport) Main hub
o Visayas
+ Bacolod (Bacolod City Domestic Airport)
+ Cebu (Mactan-Cebu International Airport) Hub
+ Dumaguete (Sibulan Airport)
+ Iloilo (Iloilo International Airport)
+ Malay (Godofredo P. Ramos Airport) [begins February 29]
+ Kalibo (Kalibo Airport)
+ Puerto Princesa (Puerto Princesa Airport)
+ Roxas City (Roxas Airport)
+ Tacloban (Daniel Z. Romualdez Airport)
+ Tagbilaran (Tagbilaran Airport)
o Mindanao
+ Butuan (Bancasi Airport)
+ Cagayan de Oro (Lumbia Airport)
+ Cotabato City (Awang Airport)
+ Davao City (Francisco Bangoy International Airport) Focus City
+ Dipolog City (Dipolog Airport)
+ General Santos (General Santos International Airport)
+ Zamboanga City (Zamboanga International Airport)
Singapore
o Singapore (Singapore Changi Airport)
Thailand
o Bangkok (Suvarnabhumi Airport)

They're completely different airlines. They have different business models. Saying that one is better than the other would be rather silly.

Question me no further: personally, between the two, Philippine Airlines is my choice for ALL air travel (whether domestic and, especially, international) into and out of Manila. Since my very first airplane ride and all my air-travel life, I continue Shining Through on Asia's Sunniest; I always will stay with them ALL the way. It's about experience.

They're completely different airlines. They have different business models. Saying that one is better than the other would be rather silly.

Thanks Sir!

We are discussing here if which airline has better to us passengers as we all know, competition especially in domestic services are now started. Alam natin yan. :)

Philippine Airlines to add flights to U.S. West coast during Christmas (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-11/13/content_7065900.htm)

Philippine Airlines (PAL), the country's major carrier for international routes, on Tuesday said it will increase the flights to the U.S. West Coast during the Christmas season.

In a statement posted on the website, PAL said Starting on Nov. 25, the airline will add two flights per week between Manila and Los Angeles, while an extra weekly flight between Manila and San Francisco will be operated starting on the same date.

The additional flights in West Coast will increase the current 17 to 20 flights weekly with 11 flights between Manila and Los Angeles and nine flights between Manila and San Francisco.

* * *

The United States is a major destination for overseas Filipino workers who will usually come home for family reunion at Christmas, taking back their hard-earned money after one year toil on foreign soil. Most of the Filipinos settle on the western coast of the United States.

So THIS is the time of year that the daily PR102/103 (MNL-LAX-MNL) and PR104/105 (MNL-SFO-MNL) services are standardized to 747-400s, with the additional flights - PR112/113 (MNL-LAX-MNL) and PR114/115 (MNL-SFO-MNL), both flown by A340s - operating on certain days. (For example, currently Friday is one day wherein BOTH the A340-flown PR112 AND the 747-flown PR102 - as well as PR114 and PR104 take off from MNL.)

No matter what others may say, personally, I would always prefer to take the ones flown by 747-400s - both going there AND coming back (and sit in Mabuhay Class Upper Deck). Maybe when they get their 777-300s, I'd have a wider choice of preferred flights, but that all depends where in the U.S. I intend to go (aside from LAX or SFO)... besides, that will be another chapter to tackle all together as far as air travel between the Philippines and the U.S. on PAL is concerned...

Thanks Sir!

We are discussing here if which airline has better to us passengers as we all know, competition especially in domestic services are now started. Alam natin yan. :)

Well, if you're comparing domestic services, it still depends on what kind of product people want. If one wants cheap point-to-point service, Cebu Pacific is a popular choice, although PAL sometimes has cheap fares of its own. If it's inflight service, it doesn't really matter all that much on a 40-minute domestic route, but PAL offers a business class product. Please also note that business class isn't just about the service, it's also about the flexibility of the ticket. When you hold a business class ticket, it is far easier to reschedule your flight when needed, for no charge. Also, PAL is more flexible when it comes to rescheduling your flight.

There's also the question of international connections. PAL has an advantage when passengers are connecting to their international flights, but that advantage dissipates when the passengers are going to connect to other airlines.

Is PAL better because they have the frills? Or is Cebu Pacific better because their service is comparable to PAL's on domestic hops? It really depends on what you need, really. If you don't need the frills or the flexibilities, and if you don't really need business class, then go for Cebu Pacific. Truly, despite the conveniences and flexibilities that PAL offers, at the end of the day, a lot of people go to Cebu Pacific because they feel that they don't need the additional leeway. Note that Cebu Pacific has grown its market share not only by stealing passengers from PAL, but also by stealing passengers from the boats, ferries, and in the case of Laoag, the buses; and compared to the boats, ferries, and buses, Cebu Pacific is truly miles better (unless you've got a lot of baggage, of course)

In addition to that, in my opinion, the less memorable the flight, the better. Not that many people remember if the food was nice or if the flight attendants were smiling, and if they do, not that many people would make kwento about it on the ground. But if the food was horrid, and if the flight attendants were masungit, or if there was a delay of 20 minutes, then you'll never hear the end of it.

My personal airline of choice? Cathay Pacific :D Seriously, though, as much as I want to patronize our local carriers, they don't really fly to Europe.

Well, if you're comparing domestic services, it still depends on what kind of product people want. If one wants cheap point-to-point service, Cebu Pacific is a popular choice, although PAL sometimes has cheap fares of its own. If it's inflight service, it doesn't really matter all that much on a 40-minute domestic route, but PAL offers a business class product. Please also note that business class isn't just about the service, it's also about the flexibility of the ticket. When you hold a business class ticket, it is far easier to reschedule your flight when needed, for no charge. Also, PAL is more flexible when it comes to rescheduling your flight.

There's also the question of international connections. PAL has an advantage when passengers are connecting to their international flights, but that advantage dissipates when the passengers are going to connect to other airlines.

Is PAL better because they have the frills? Or is Cebu Pacific better because their service is comparable to PAL's on domestic hops? It really depends on what you need, really. If you don't need the frills or the flexibilities, and if you don't really need business class, then go for Cebu Pacific. Truly, despite the conveniences and flexibilities that PAL offers, at the end of the day, a lot of people go to Cebu Pacific because they feel that they don't need the additional leeway. Note that Cebu Pacific has grown its market share not only by stealing passengers from PAL, but also by stealing passengers from the boats, ferries, and in the case of Laoag, the buses; and compared to the boats, ferries, and buses, Cebu Pacific is truly miles better (unless you've got a lot of baggage, of course)

In addition to that, in my opinion, the less memorable the flight, the better. Not that many people remember if the food was nice or if the flight attendants were smiling, and if they do, not that many people would make kwento about it on the ground. But if the food was horrid, and if the flight attendants were masungit, or if there was a delay of 20 minutes, then you'll never hear the end of it.

My personal airline of choice? Cathay Pacific :D Seriously, though, as much as I want to patronize our local carriers, they don't really fly to Europe.

I could not have said this anybetter solblanc. hehe. ako naman my airline of choice: Singapore Airlines. I have tried CEB only to Cebu back when they still use their old DC-9s. Wala naman masyadong pagkakaiba nun. Konti lang din naman kasi dati ang diperensya ng price ng CEB at PAL. Yun nga lang may mga games on board tsaka yung mga flight attendants naka short and collared shirts lang. hehehehe.. ewan ko ngayon kung papano sila. Ang PAL naman i have tried na pero hanggang hongkong lang. Takot ako mag long haul sa kanila kasi nga diba yung image ng pal na talagang jampacked ang planes nila papuntang States. Tsaka yun pa, alang kwenta ang in flight entertainment. I don't mean to be maarte or mayabang pero ang hirap mag fly ng 11-16 hours na scheduled ang mga sine sa mainscreen ah. hirap yun. Tapos nag NW na kami. ok sha kasi ang daming connections anywhere in the US. Then eventually we decided na mag SQ once and ever since SQ na kami forever. Hehehe... And since may kakilala kami na nagtatrabaho sa isang star alliance carrier at marami shang connections within the alliance,(i wont mention the name and the company anymore) nakakakuha kami ng economy class tickets ar around $400-$500 lang. tapos na uupgrade pa. 2x nga na upgrade pa kami sa 1st class. hehehe. immagine a long haul flight at first class for $400.

Hmm....potential CvC (carrier vs carrier) perhaps? :sly:

Let's keep it civil folks! :colgate: Or else we all know what happens in the end.... :lock:

I never took Cebu Pacific but its a good thing that they're here because they were able to serve a wider public and in fact was able to snatch pax from sealiners....

Those two are incomparable since Cebu Pacific is an LCC, though PAL is legacy carrier it follows the same principle of that of Emirates and Aer Lingus in their business models of low over head cost,lean workforce and simple organizational structure.....this is the reason why there some routes and periods in which PAL can compete with its ticket prices with 5J

Which has better commercial?

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There is a ten year difference between this ads..that is PAL ad from late 80's

Question me no further: personally, between the two, Philippine Airlines is my choice for ALL air travel (whether domestic and, especially, international) into and out of Manila. Since my very first airplane ride and all my air-travel life, I continue Shining Through on Asia's Sunniest; I always will stay with them ALL the way. It's about experience.
wow, puwede ka nang endorser ng PAL

Hmm....potential CvC (carrier vs carrier) perhaps? :sly:

Let's keep it civil folks! :colgate: Or else we all know what happens in the end.... :lock:
yup :okay:

Sayang ang miles sa PAL but then it's expensive. I just claimed my free ticket to Manila weeks ago.

Ang CebuPacific wala na miles.. Pati yung partnership nila with Northwest Airlines wala na rin..

Please share any news and developments of our nation's aviation industry in this thread (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=449658&highlight=philippine+aviation) located in the International Aviation section of SSC. Thanks! :colgate:

I think I would choose PAL....Cebu Pacific's edge is only on the cheaper airfares...

Question me no further: personally, between the two, Philippine Airlines is my choice for ALL air travel (whether domestic and, especially, international) into and out of Manila. Since my very first airplane ride and all my air-travel life, I continue Shining Through on Asia's Sunniest; I always will stay with them ALL the way. It's about experience.

wow, That's fantastic!!! hehehe
Philippine Airlines is the best.^^
Cebu Pacific is better if wala nang pera...:lol:

I think I would choose PAL....Cebu Pacific's edge is only on the cheaper airfares...

for some people.... (like me) that means eveything :cheers:

When I left the Philippines as a kid, PAL was the only carrier flying. I've flown with them numerous times (both domestic and international) and I've not been dissatisfied with their service each time. I remember flying with them when they still had those Filipiniana uniforms that the FAs wear, which frankly, I suggest they bring back instead of those tacky western-oriented attire, they looks like busted hags or skanky office secretaries. :lol:

wow, That's fantastic!!! hehehe
Philippine Airlines is the best.
Cebu Pacific is better if wala nang pera...

Hindi naman palaging mahal ang ticket sa PAL. I book a flight last month round trip MNL-TAG ( will fly sa Feb) and it only cost 3000 which is cheaper than CEB:) Since this is a leisure trip with friends, we did not consider time and date kaya nakuha namin yung murang flight. I think it is still good kasi we are leaving MNL thurs and be back Sun.

a very old joke....after the Cebu Pacific Flight 387 crash

PAL = Plane Always Lands

Cebu Pacific = plane flies from Cebu and lands at Pacific

:lol:

for some people.... (like me) that means eveything :cheers:

agree....still, flying's the safest mode of transportation.

iwhole heartedly disagree with that!!!!!! :lol:

i dunnoo... talagangtakot lang talaga mag eroplano....its like the whole flight im praying to God we're not gonna crash...

id rather drive than fly a plane.... kung makakaya lang :D

This is a stupid thread... PR is a full-pledged legacy airline while 5J is a low-cost carrier.

i cant really say that since i both flew with them...
its just like comparing
ayala to sm... :D

i cant really say that since i both flew with them...
its just like comparing
ayala to sm... :D

Correct! :cheers: As we all know, silang dalawa lang ang naglalaban ng dikit sa pilipinas. Kaya there will be comparison between them.

i miss Grand Air!!!

Which has better commercial?

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Panalo ang commercial dati ng Philippine Airlines. Yung kapatid ko nga napatanong kung bagong commercial. Parang you are promoting tourism hindi lang internationally pati na rin sa Pilinas na masarap magtravel.:banana:

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Dito naman. Ito ang sagot ng Cebu Pacific regarding sa issue na hindi on-time ang flights due to long delays. Alam naman natin kung kanino pinatatama yun.:) Dito naman, it values punctuality and to avoid inconvenience.

i miss Grand Air!!!
yeah!!! grand air became PAL's "rival" in the 90s......i wonder why they shut down

may promo ang cebu pacific 1 peso fare tapos tatagain ka naman sa taxes, fuel surcharges, etc.... dont you think thats misleading... i remember british airways was fine for colliding with virgin atlantic about the fuel surcharges and the eu commission is looking to at misleading information on airlines travel sites.. dont we have something like that in the philippines

pero mura pa rin, 900 pesos ticket ko pa tacloban. against 3400 without discount.
by land naman 1000plus, saan ka pa?

i really don't care kung cheapo airline ang CP. ang importante makarating ako ng safe bago magpasko.

About the ads, PAL mas ok. the CEB one just shows to show na their target is more on being the preferred domestic airline whereas with PAL, having long-haul flights tries or in this case since the ad was shown back in the 80's, tried to capture more foreigners.

BETTER AIRCRAFTS?

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Start comparing :)

^^is there any chance for air philippines to compete head-to-head with these two airlines?:D

^^ Not unless they have to upgrade their fleet. :D

pal pa rin ako....

its because of the terminal.....

but if 5j moves to term 1 and refurbishes it....thats another story.....

air philippines PAL na ata ang namamalakad nito eh...ewan ko lng!

^^I swear, don't ride 2P! That's the worst airline I'd been in!

So far ang nasakyan ko palang na plane ay CEBU PACIFIC AIR both domestic and international (Singapore) at ok naman. May kamahalan lang kasi ang ticket ng PAL unlike CEB na mura at pareho lang ang plane model na ginamit. Pero takot pa rin akong sumakay uli ng eroplano kasi i don't believed that it's the safest mode of transportation. This year lang 2 PAL planes ang nag-overshoot sa airport runway ng Tacloban at Butuan and thank God walang namatay.

agree....still, flying's the safest mode of transportation.

I don't agree! Many casualties pag eroplano ang madisgrasya (heaven forbid) at slim percentage lang ang mga survivors. Safety demo shown before takeoff sometimes useless in case of emergency kasi pag sa dagat bumagsak wala rin :ohno:

I go for Cebu Pacific... soon to have portals in key cities world wide...

Go CEBU!!!

PR kami dati kapag pumupunta kami ng Cebu pero ngayon 5J na kasi mas affordable and mas madaming flights daily kaysa once or twice daily sa 2P na DVO-CEB route. it depends on the availability, frequency and scheduling of flights eh

I don't agree! Many casualties pag eroplano ang madisgrasya (heaven forbid) at slim percentage lang ang mga survivors. Safety demo shown before takeoff sometimes useless in case of emergency kasi pag sa dagat bumagsak wala rin :ohno:

were talking about perecentage of acccidents and not number of casualties in a certain accidents ;)....still if you research on the web air transport is is still safest form of transportation:)

since last month, i think PAL muna ngayon... :) yung habol ko lng sa CebPac ang SMILE copy ko lng... kumpleto!

tanong ko lang napanood nyo na ba yong imbestigador sa channel 7 about philippine airports, mapanood ko na sa pinoy tv sa thursday pa 13 dec 07 sa riyadh

Can't believe the Catarman and Butuan airport runways also double as highways. It shows that we still have a LONG way to go in terms of aviation infrastructure. :ohno:

Can't believe the Catarman and Butuan airport runways also double as highways. It shows that we still have a LONG way to go in terms of aviation infrastructure. :ohno:

WHAT!:nuts:

don't know about Catarman...
but Butuan?... a highway? - I don't think so...

If you've watched Imbestigador's report on our poor state of transportation, you'd be surprised. Imagine people walking around the runway like its a park. Butuan Airport may not be allowing vehicles inside like what Catarman does, but people sure go in and out like its nothing.

may promo ang cebu pacific 1 peso fare tapos tatagain ka naman sa taxes, fuel surcharges, etc.... dont you think thats misleading... i remember british airways was fine for colliding with virgin atlantic about the fuel surcharges and the eu commission is looking to at misleading information on airlines travel sites.. dont we have something like that in the philippines

The taxes that they charge you for their "peso fares" goes to the government, 5J hands are not dipping into that stash. They also have those incredible low fares with our LCCs here in the US, but the taxes and fees are always charged and never gets discounted or waivered since it's the government that imposes them, not the carrier.

About the ads, PAL mas ok. the CEB one just shows to show na their target is more on being the preferred domestic airline whereas with PAL, having long-haul flights tries or in this case since the ad was shown back in the 80's, tried to capture more foreigners.

With PR prominent presence at international destinations, their ad campaigns target the foreign tourists and/or our balikbayan passengers. 5J found it's niche market in the domestic air traveling public. It's like comparing apples to oranges.

is there any chance for air philippines to compete head-to-head with these two airlines?:D
air philippines PAL na ata ang namamalakad nito eh...ewan ko lng!

2P will have a better chance at competing with 5J than with it's parent company PR. 2P services routes that PR can't serve that's why they have codeshare/interline agreements between the two carriers to provide passengers a seamless and effortless transition. 2P mainly provides much needed air services to the smaller regional destinations, it's PR's LCC arm.

were talking about perecentage of acccidents and not number of casualties in a certain accidents ;)....still if you research on the web air transport is is still safest form of transportation:)

Correct! The number of casualties doesn't play much into the percentage of accidents that an airline incurs. Statistical data still shows that air travel is still the safest form of transportation between two points.

^^ Actually, that's not uncommon especially in small towns where the airport's runway does double duty as a roadway too. I think Gibraltar's runway is like that, they have traffic lights that alerts motorists to stop crossing the runway when an aircraft is landing or taking off. I think that it's kinda unique in a sense, but I bet air traffic controllers at that airport would be a freakin' basketcase trying to coordinate landings, take-offs, and vehicular/pedestrian crossings all in one strip. :lol:

Hawaiian Granted Approval to Launch Honolulu-Manila Flights

http://investor.hawaiianairlines.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=82818&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1057143&highlight=

HONOLULU, Oct 01, 2007 /PRNewswire-FirstCall via COMTEX News Network/ -- Hawaiian Airlines announced today it has received approval from the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) to provide nonstop flights between Honolulu and Manila in the Philippines. Hawaiian will be the only U.S. carrier providing nonstop service between Hawaii and the Philippines.

Hawaiian will launch the Manila service in March 2008 using its wide-body, twin-aisle Boeing 767-300ER aircraft that seat up to 264 passengers. The new flights will more than double the current capacity on the route.

Mark Dunkerley, Hawaiian's President and CEO, commented, "Hawaiian is expanding its service into Asia for the first time and we couldn't have chosen a better destination than Manila. Considering the deep cultural and historic ties that exist between Hawaii and the Philippines, we are confident there will be great support for our new flights."

Hawaii has nearly 300,000 residents that are identified as either Filipino or part-Filipino, representing 23.5 percent of the state's population. Manila's greater metropolitan area has more than 10 million residents and is the Philippines' political, economic, social and cultural center.

About Hawaiian Airlines

The nation's top-ranked airline for service in the 2007 Airline Quality Ratings, Hawaiian also led all U.S. carriers in on-time performance for 2004, 2005 and 2006 (including a record 36 consecutive months from November 2003 to October 2006,) and in fewest misplaced bags for 2005 and 2006, as reported by the U.S. Department of Transportation. Consumer surveys by Conde Nast Traveler, Travel + Leisure, and Zagat all rank Hawaiian as the top domestic airline serving Hawaii.

Now in its 78th year of continuous service in Hawaii, Hawaiian is the state's biggest and longest-serving airline, as well as the second largest provider of passenger air service between the U.S. mainland and Hawaii. Hawaiian offers nonstop service to Hawaii from more U.S. gateway cities than any other airline (nine), as well as service to Australia, American Samoa and Tahiti. Hawaiian also provides approximately 100 daily jet flights among the Hawaiian Islands.

Hawaiian Airlines, Inc. is a subsidiary of Hawaiian Holdings, Inc. (Amex: HA). Additional information is available at HawaiianAirlines.com.

SOURCE Hawaiian Airlines, Inc.

I look forward to seeing Hawaiian as a regular visitor to the RP and flyig with them, as I am from Hawaii. I have a feeling that many Filipino's who normally fly PAL out of Hawaii and mainland US or some other carrier, will switch over to HA, since they will probably be able to double up on mileage etc. particularly with US carriers who have agreements with HA, and find it a lot more suitable. (",). By the way, HA has ordered Airbus A330's and the A350 to replace the existing Boeing fleet of mostly Boeing 767-300ERs, so in the future, we might see HA's A330's or A350's flying in to our country.

Hawaiian Airlines Official Website / Press Release.
http://investor.hawaiianairlines.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=82818&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1082294&highlight=

Airbus Official Website, Hawaiian Airlines.
http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre/pressreleases/pressreleases_items/07_11_29_hawaiian_a350_a330.html

well... those statistics dont give me peace of mind... imean... cars, buses, etc... we drive/ride them everyday! kung may mangyayari malaking porsyento na buhay ka pa... d kagaya ng eroplano na todas ka talaga.... PLUS it is uncomofortable... but i am happy na may turbulence forecast ang NW. makes me feel better...

anyway, about the stats, may nakita ako sa discovery channel noon na ang stats na yan ay mejo misleading daw... i forgot how it went but that thought stuck in my mind... land/water transpo is still safer imo. :D

theyre both cool but PAL doesnt have touchscreen, and cebu pacific too....i wish they will buy new aircraft....coz their aricraft is quite too old...go CP and PAL!!!!!!!!!!

theyre both cool but PAL doesnt have touchscreen, and cebu pacific too....i wish they will buy new aircraft....coz their aricraft is quite too old...go CP and PAL!!!!!!!!!!

From wikipedia "The average Cebu Pacific fleet is less than 13 months old as of May 2007." And this what they also said during our CRK-CEB flight last October. I think 5J is using new Airbus 319 and 320 to all its flight. Moreover, 5J purchased new "ATR 72-500" that will use for Caticlan route and operation will start on Feb. 2008

I only flew cebu pacific once, that would be my first and last time

NCC seeks restoration of EO 500 allowing partial DMIA ‘open skies’
(http://www.mb.com.ph/BSNS20071209111009.html)
Edu Lopez

The National Competitiveness Council (NCC) has urged government to restore Executive Order 500 to allow pocket open skies policy for Diosdado Macapagal International Airport in Clark to support the promotion of international trade, tourism and investments as well as the development of a mega logistics hub in Clark and Subic.


The Philippines could attract around 10 million tourists each year like its neighbors Thailand and Malaysia once the long-awaited Executive Order 500B is issued, said NCC Meneleo J. Carlos Jr., private champion as he expects President Arroyo to sign the proposed EO before the year ends.

EO 500B seeks to rescind the restrictive EO 500A which limits the operation of budget airlines in Subic and Diosdado Macapagal International Airport (DMIA) in Clark. Such budget airlines first have to be designated by their respective countries and are entitled only to third and fourth air freedom rights meaning, they can no longer fly to a third country.

EO 500A amended EO 500 which allowed budget airlines to fly to DMIA without limitations on traffic rights, capacity and air freedom rights, except cabotage.

During its seven-month implementation period starting August 2006, EO 500 effectively brought more tourists into the country, attract new investments, create more jobs and improve the overall competitiveness of the Philippines.

Carlos said this initiative should be pursued with a few countries of major market interest and where reciprocity, defined as the exchange of rights, freedoms and economic benefits of equal or equivalent value, can be achieved.

Possible partner-countries where this reciprocity concept can be achieved are China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Macau, South Korea, Japan, Singapore, Thailand, Malaysia, Indonesia, Brunei, Vietnam, India, and Russia.

Carlos said the Philippines would conduct and conclude bilateral air talks for 2007 and 2008 with Macau, Singapore, Thailand, Malaysia, United Arab Emirates, Hong Kong, Russia, Brunei, Bahrain, Australia, Cambodia, China and Canada .

Aside from these efforts, Carlos said they are also working on ways to lower airport fees in these areas to further boost the tourism sector.

"Of his $ 1,000 budget, a regular tourist now spends $ 400 for airline while only $ 600 for tourism. A typical tourist should pay only $ 200 for airline. Because of this, the country is losing (in terms of tourism revenue) because tourists spend more money in airline," he noted.

NCC believes that the Philippines would greatly benefit in joining the Asean Open Skies for capital cities in 2008. This would allow any carrier to fly passengers and goods in either direction between capital cities of consenting countries.

BETTER FLIGHT ATTENDANTS?

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^^ Better in reference to what? Service and attention to passengers, or just plain eye-candy?

^^ Better in reference to what? Service and attention to passengers, or just plain eye-candy?

It's up to you Sir. Freedom of expression is every corner of this thread :)

Can't believe the Catarman and Butuan airport runways also double as highways. It shows that we still have a LONG way to go in terms of aviation infrastructure. :ohno:

those weren't actually highway but merely an access road,this is an highway..Gibraltar:)

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/ravencute83/1301061.jpg

^^ Thanks Raven! :okay:

customer service, i say cebu pacific
and PAL, for being classy (from what i experience, 'k) i know its debatable

those weren't actually highway but merely an access road,this is an highway..Gibraltar:)

However, the difference is, on the airports I've mentioned, they have people, pedicabs, and even animals running around the entire stretch of the runway, not only on the supposed access road.

http://www.gmanews.tv/video/15253/Imbestigador-TransPOORtation-Imbestigador-Special

However, the difference is, on the airports I've mentioned, they have people, pedicabs, and even animals running around the entire stretch of the runway, not only on the supposed access road.

http://www.gmanews.tv/video/15253/Imbestigador-TransPOORtation-Imbestigador-Special

as they say only in the philippines:nuts:

I finally got my tickets home, sadly, it's a round trip ticket from PAL unlike what I wanted. Regarding aircraft interiors, I really can't compare since both look and feel the same to me. That observation was drawn from the domestic flights I've ridden.

@Fraulein

Parang biased yang comparison mo ah. Isang tao lang ng CEB nakikita natin at lalake pa. tsk2x.
Honestly, I have seen more good looking cabin crew from PAL but CEB's is more courteous.

FYI:

... in early 2000, there was one airline company based from Cebu (forgot its name), they have only one jet plane in service then (don't know the model) but in less than a year, they folded up...

customer service, i say cebu pacific
and PAL, for being classy (from what i experience, 'k) i know its debatable


are you kidding me?! Cebu Pacific and Customer Service don't belong to the same sentence. the same for all Gokongwei owned companies.

^^ Bitter much?

are you kidding me?! Cebu Pacific and Customer Service don't belong to the same sentence. the same for all Gokongwei owned companies.

:lol: well in fairness to them a lot of foreigners at airliners.net are raving about their services in comparison say to ryanair or european/north american airlines....I havent taken ryanair yet, but are their F/A's were really such a troll?

Ei Kimber from your pics at sojourn you seemed to took westjet-LCC before,how are the services with them?

^^ Westjet was nice, I enjoyed the flight from MCO to YYZ and the return trip. FAs were friendly and attentive, and they provide some light-hearted entertainment on board (think stand-up comedy). Since it was an LCC, they of course only have complimentary beverage service, but they do have snacks on board for sale. Announcements made on board are said both in French and English, both by the flight and cabin crews. Oh, one thing I've noticed, for an LCC they have all leather seats!

^^ Westjet was nice, I enjoyed the flight from MCO to YYZ and the return trip. FAs were friendly and attentive, and they provide some light-hearted entertainment on board (think stand-up comedy). Since it was an LCC, they of course only have complimentary beverage service, but they do have snacks on board for sale. Announcements made on board are said both in French and English, both by the flight and cabin crews. Oh, one thing I've noticed, for an LCC they have all leather seats!

isnt it quite common nowadays for an LCC?

^^ Westjet is the first LCC that I've riden on that had all leather seats. Ted, Song, and Southwest don't have leather seats when I've flown with them in the past, although I think Southwest now as an all leather cabin on some of their planes.

With Lion Air and Air Asia has ordered more than 100 aircraft each, do you think Cebu Pacific has got the same ambition to be as big as them?

My friends in Germany are asking if the owner of Cebu Pacific is really a big shot since the company is reportedly ordering TWENTY A320 planes from Airbus Headquarters in Hamburg. If Cebu Pacific is adding many brand new planes to its fleet, we can expect this airline to give PAL a very tough competition.

are you kidding me?! Cebu Pacific and Customer Service don't belong to the same sentence. the same for all Gokongwei owned companies.
not everything is hunky dory, i had a fine experience and you had an ugly experience,thats why i said, based on my experience. i wanna be pampered just like a king but i was just there to get from point a to point b ooooooooooo'kei

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What’s Up? By: Rene Artemio T. Pacana
Promo Fares & Contract of Carriage


I was in Tagaytay on an Asian conference meeting of leaders of covenant communities belonging to the Sword of the Spirit last November 17. I actually had a round-trip Cebu Pacific airline ticket which was obtained by our community center since early February yet. Our center availed of a promo-fare to save cost since there were two of us coming to the conference.
Call it bias but I’m used to flying with Philippine Airlines. That’s how I got my Mabuhay miles card which had earned me several free-flights through miles credit. So when our center informed us that we’re flying Cebu Pacific, and on promo-fares at that, I had serious reservations. But it passed me off since there was a long gap from February when the ticket was bought vis-a-viz the actual date in November when I actually used it.

It was unfortunate that our scheduled flights fell on a stormy weather. Two big storms codenamed “Lando” and “Mina” hovered within Philippine territory. T’was raining hard when we landed in Manila on November 15. But we’d got the heck of experience when we disembarked from the plane and there was just too much water on the tarmac. We were made to walk at a distance of about 70 meters on ankle-deep waters thereby soaking wet our shoes and feet.

The sad part is during our departure flight at 11:50 A.M. for Cagayan de Oro on November 17, a Sunday, we learned earlier through the advisory news that weather was not so good in Cagayan. T’was raining hard and there was zero visibility at the Lumbia airport since Saturday. In fact, all Saturday flights for Cagayan de Oro were cancelled. We learned that such condition had not improved and that it was raining cats and dogs in Cagayan de Oro City.


Still we were boarded on our scheduled flight by Cebu Pacific. Perhaps, they didn’t mind about the weather or were just convinced they could land the plane safely at Lumbia airport. Yet, on its final approach and after hovering around the turbulent sky, the pilot could not get through and thus announced a flight diversion to Mactan airport. In Mactan, the plane was held-up for an hour while waiting for weather to clear up in Cagayan.

At Mactan and while inside the plane, most of the passengers had not eaten their lunch. The crew, however, seemed insensitive. They busily continued on peddling their wares and food stuff. Bottled water was available at P50.00. Sandwich (which should have at least saved the passengers for lunch) was sold at P100.00 but ran short and was no longer available to many. In short, most of the passengers on board were dead hungry but the airline crew just ignored it.

The pilot broke the waiting by announcing that the plane would have to return to Manila, there being no weather improvement in Cagayan de Oro. Passengers were advised that if they wish to get down the plane in Cebu, their tickets are deemed consumed. The airline was not assuming any hotel or food accommodation at Cebu. Those who wished to go back to Manila were also advised of the no- hotel nor food accommodation policy.

Most of the passengers reacted but could not find any room to ventilate their reactions. After all, their safety was of primary importance. There was no space for argument. Even those ladies who intimated they don’t have any money for hotel or food anymore; those who wouldn’t have anywhere to stay upon their return to Manila, had to keep their plight in silence. Thank God, some of our friends in Manila came to our rescue and freely accommodated us.

The next day, November 19, two of my friends decided to rebook their flight to Cebu. This was an option considering that the weather in Cagayan de Oro had not improved. I stayed in Manila because I chose to just wait for my attendance to a court hearing at the Pasig City Court on November 20. Again, Cebu Pacific boarded them on their 11:50 A.M. flight. But on their approach at Mactan airport, they met the raging “Lando”. The plane almost had a mishap in attempting to land. The pilot was forced to fly the plane to Davao City.

At the Davao airport, my friends relayed to me that again Cebu Pacific insisted on their no-hotel, no food accommodation policy. Concern of their safety, some passengers grudgingly chose to stay at their expense at Davao City while others who opted not to spend more remained at the plane. Disgusted by such arrangement, and albeit scarcity of funds, my two friends decided to take the bus-ride via Boda just to reach Cagayan de Oro. It was good enough some friends in Davao also helped them get a safe bus-ride home.

I would have kept silent about the experience me and my friends went through. But I was more bothered about Cebu Pacific’s arbitrary treatment of their passengers on board who were stranded in a different place by no fault of their own. I believe Cebu Pacific cannot wash its hands from responsibility. Not even under the reason that what caused the diversion was a storm- a natural occurrence, a force majeure. Such airline knew before flying that there was an on-going or if not an incoming storm. I’m sure they were well advised of such fact.

Several flights were cancelled a day before our flight because of bad weather. It had not improved but even grew worse. In fact, we had even heard from the news that another storm was about to enter Philippine territory. Yet, Cebu Pacific boarded us on their plane. That initiative was theirs and not of the passengers. The moment they did it, the conditions attendant to a contract of carriage, particularly that of bringing its passengers safely from the point of departure to the point of destination became wholly operative and must have to be performed.

Cebu Pacific’s inability to perform such obligation clearly amounts to a breach of contract of carriage. The occurrence of a storm was of no moment. The airline knew about it and that there was another one coming. They’re supposed to take care of its passengers while on board. While the contract of carriage was subsisting and while the plane is stranded on a different place by no fault of the passengers on board, the airline is supposed to take care of the latter’s basic needs, like food and shelter. Their no food, no-hotel accommodation policy was therefore definitely repulsive.

A common carrier like Cebu Pacific is bound by the contract of carriage it entered into its passengers. The airline ticket serves as proof of such contract. It doesn’t matter that it was obtained under a well advertised but tricky promotion that a Juan de la Cruz can fly on a P1.00 fare. A P1.00 promo fare or a regular P3,000 fare doesn’t make a difference. A contract of carriage exists regardless of the amount of fare. The legal conditions attached to such contract must be strictly performed.

Perhaps, it would be good if Cebu Pacific reviews its policy. The riding public may well appreciate if its crew would focus on attending to the needs of its passengers, whether they are on promo or regular airfare, rather than become so busy and preoccupied with peddling its own wares, food stuff and beverages up in the sky and amidst a turbulent storm.

source (http://themindanaocurrent.blogspot.com/)

Virgin Air and Rainbow Air commercial. lol :D

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^^ :lol: I've seen that before.

PAL should modernize their advertisements. they should also include what's behind the scenes like technical and catering services. but most of all, they should feature their beautiful flight attendants

^^ All that's on YouTube are those "Shinning Through" commercials from 1980s. PAL should catch up or else be left way behind.

garuda's ad was very nice, very artistic.

Hi Guys!

You may post your experiences as a passenger on Philippine Airlines or Cebu Pacific. We would like to hear your observations, views and criticisms (if ever)


Start now! :)

^^ Are you working for any or both of these carriers per chance? You seem to be too keen on getting our insights and opinions. :sly:

If you want passenger opinions, check these out:
Philippine Airlines (http://www.airlinequality.com/Forum/pal.htm)
Cebu Pacific Air (http://www.airlinequality.com/Forum/cebu-pacific.htm)

^^ Are you working for any or both of these carriers per chance? You seem to be too keen on getting our insights and opinions. :sly:

If you want passenger opinions, check these out:
Philippine Airlines (http://www.airlinequality.com/Forum/pal.htm)
Cebu Pacific Air (http://www.airlinequality.com/Forum/cebu-pacific.htm)

:lol::lol:he is working for asian spirit:D

haayyy...ilang years kaya before maging 5star airline ang PAL? hehe...or am i asking for sumthing impossible? Does anyone know how they rate the airlines as 3, 4 of 5 star airlines? What are their criteria?

wheres PAL ad? i bet its the 1987 ad

If you've watched Imbestigador's report on our poor state of transportation, you'd be surprised. Imagine people walking around the runway like its a park. Butuan Airport may not be allowing vehicles inside like what Catarman does, but people sure go in and out like its nothing.

Since 1995, when we tansferred to Butuan city, since then, ganun na talaga ang gamit ng runway sa Butuan Bancasi. Before, isa lang ang flight from manila. So every time walang flights, activities sa airport, ginagawang jogging area ng mga military which is nasa kabilang bakod lang ang base camp nila. and also ginagawa ring students driving area. hehe. When the air traffic in butuan increased, (2x daily to manila and 3x weekly to cebu), they closed the runway na to the public (of course except sa mga planes. hehe). However, the security is not that strict, even the lights on the runway were stolen.

^^ yikes! why don't the local government just open a park? maluwang naman yung area diba?

BTW, can PR just bring back the Shining Through campaign? I love the current but it's not that catchy IMHO.

TG is always wonderful on its ads, and the orchids... obviously great.

Good Evening Sir,

Ang tanong ko po kung alin ang mas magandang commercial or yung mas may dating sa masa. :)

The concept of the Philippine Airline commercial are the destinations while the one for Cebu Pacific is regarding service.


Why dont you show an advertisment from both airlines with the same concept, then I will choose!!:)


JB Photography (http://www.webshots.com/user/jbkayaker)

ad pala pinag uusapan dito? pagandahan? hehehe

As a regular passenger between Manila and Bacolod,Cebu Pacific is practical and cheap when it comes to airfare cost,especially the fun games on board during the flights.Taking PAL you enjoy the convenience of the Centennial Terminal 2 in Manila.Its up to the individual to choose,both airlines use Airbus A319s and 320s.

After reading that post of GearX, i just felt disgusted at Cebu Pacific. I never thought that they'd actually sink that low. The passengers on those flights should escalate this to the concerned parties. You won't see any other airline act like this. Sobrang kuripot!!!!! Haaay... Kasi sila basta kumita lang. im sure kung pwede lang mag offer ng flights for passengers na nakatayo or sabit parang sa bus and jeep gagawin nila. ewan. never na tlaga ako magffly with CEB ever kung ganyan pala ang nangyari. Ang cheap!!!! I remember dati nung early 90's, yung mom ko uuwi sana from HKG to MNL pero after 30 minutes kinailangan bumalik ng plane sa hong kong because of mechanical errors in the plane, they were offered hotel accomodation and even money for the damages.

they tend these commercial for caucasian ppol

^^ I've heard much worst stories from Ryanair,well thats the thing with lowcost carriers..their like bus companies,not an airline.The only good thing about CEB existing is that PAL was finally given a competition. Not that I will take a lot in riding with them. ..

5J is basically folliwng the ryan air playbook and saying you get what you pay for! Their attitude is simple kasi, you don't have to fly with us but you did anyway because we're cheap so if we cut corners on service don't complain. Ryan air is extremely notorious for this attitude, it's very much an asshole airline and questions have been raised about when they will even bother to try and "like" their customers. They view themselves as some sort of a bus service it breaks down too bad you don't have to fly with us next time.

^^ haha.. yes i totally agree.. you get what you pay for..
this is the thing that i keep telling my friends and family.. you cant really complain of bad service or no food when all you're paying for is the ticket (which sometimes cost just P1)

i dont think its fair to cebu pacific to be compared to PAL since one is a true low cost carrier and the other is the national carrier with all the frills..

Virgin Air and Rainbow Air commercial. lol :D

jCIBoXwBe5Y

:lol: awesome commercial

New Panglao airport in Bohol to boost
regional tourism, ‘balikbayan’ market

By Wilfredo Rodolfo III
Reporter

GOVERNMENT planners want to complete a P4.041-billion international-airport project in Panglao Island in Bohol by 2010 to tap a segment of the growing regional budge-travel market in Asia and homecoming overseas Filipino market.

According to project deputy manager Edgar Doña, air passenger arrivals in Bohol had been “phenomenal” in the past years while Panglao’s secluded white-sand beaches have always been a favorite among foreign tourists.

“Arrivals in Bohol have experienced a phenomenal growth in the last five years. There is also a high-level growth of the low-cost carrier market and that is what exactly Panglao is about to experience,” Doña, of private project consultant TCGI Engineers, said.

The project will be funded by internal government funds as ordered by President Arroyo in July 2005. The Manila International Airport Authority has committed to bankroll P2.9 billion of the project cost, with help from the Department of Transportation and Communications (P0.153 billion) and other government agencies.

The project is hoping to get an endorsement from the Central Visa-yas Regional Development Council this week.

Doña said a 2.5-kilometer-long runway is enough to accommodate the Airbus 320 and Boeing 737 series, which is the core fleet of most regional and budget airlines in Asia. It could also accommodate bigger aircraft but only as an alternative airport for nearby Mactan Cebu International Airport in Cebu.

Noris Oculam, president of the Bohol Chamber of Commerce and Industry, said the airport would also help returning OFWs from Bohol.

Oculam said Bohol has an annual remittance of $57 million from OFWs—the biggest among all the provinces in the country.

“If we can encourage more of the Boholanos working abroad to come home more often, they would bring great help to the economy of Bohol,” Oculam said.

The site of the project, near barangays Bolod, Danao and Tawala in Panglao town, edged another possible site in barangays Tabalong, Tinago and Bingag in the nearby town of Dauis, also in Panglao Island.

A third option—to rehabilitate the existing domestic airport in Tagbilaran City—would have cost the government some P6.5 billion, the project consultants said.

Oculam, however, said beach-resort owners lining the famed Alona white-sand strip in Panglao are concerned about the possible noise pollution that will be brought by the presence of an airport nearby. He said the resorts wanted to keep their seclusion, which is one of the reasons foreign tourists come to the island.

“Ninety-nine percent of the people in Bohol want the airport. One percent oppose it and these people belong to the Alona beach community,” Oculam said.

Doña, however, said newer aircraft are less noisy and would not affect in a huge way the beachgoers in Alona. He also allayed concerns about the coralline base of Panglao Island, saying it could be solved with new technology, ensuring a solid ground for the airport’s runway.

Doña said airline arrivals in Bohol jumped from 31,641 in 2001 to 198,605 in 2005 and 241,484 in 2006.

^^ haha.. yes i totally agree.. you get what you pay for..
this is the thing that i keep telling my friends and family.. you cant really complain of bad service or no food when all you're paying for is the ticket (which sometimes cost just P1)

i dont think its fair to cebu pacific to be compared to PAL since one is a true low cost carrier and the other is the national carrier with all the frills..

The reason: Both airlines are two of the largest or even best airline companies in the philippines especially kapag domestic ang pinag-uusapan. This thread involves how you rate the airlines company - in terms of service, management and the like. from the time you are planning to go somewhere (using an airline) until you are leaving the airport. :)

^^^ So there is no real comparison on both companies especially in terms of service all along just like what Kiretoce mentioned before, you can't compare an apple from an orange. LCC and the package deal type airline company. Maybe the management strategies and safety standards and issues can be compared instead of comparing their services alone. I'd still fly cebu pacific then, just don't expect the world for a dollar or a peso you paid.

ano sabi nya,mas malaki ang annual remittance nang Bohol sa pinas...eh mas marami ang taga luzon, eh dto nga sa cuba puro Bulacan,Zambales at pampanga ang nang dto..mali yata ang nabasa ni MR. Oculam.pasyal po kayu mr.oculam sa saipan puro po kapampagang doon at cavite!

^^ tama dito sa Davao may Pampanga District din ..LOL

PHILIPPINE AIRLINES is the No# 1 airline in the Philippines.

CEBU PACIFIC AIR is the No# 1 DOMESTIC AIRLINE in the Philippines.

is there a difference between the TWO?

Alin airport ang gamit ng Cebu Pacific galing Bangkok?

PHILIPPINE AIRLINES is the No# 1 airline in the Philippines.

CEBU PACIFIC AIR is the No# 1 DOMESTIC AIRLINE in the Philippines.

is there a difference between the TWO?

That means that PR is the #1 airline in the Philippines regardless if it's a legacy carrier or an LCC, and regardless if it flies domestic or international.

CP does have the intent for US flights in the near future, so expansion is inevitable. Investment and funds are the only limiting factors in their ambition.

Also if was not fo CP, we would not have our 23% increase in domestic air traffic in just a year! CP will most likely overtake PR in international passenger volume too.

Also I heard from the oldies that pre-Tan PR was much better than it is now.

CP does have the intent for US flights in the near future, so expansion is inevitable. Investment and funds are the only limiting factors in their ambition.

Also if was not fo CP, we would not have our 23% increase in domestic air traffic in just a year! CP will most likely overtake PR in international passenger volume too.

Also I heard from the oldies that pre-Tan PR was much better than it is now.

I'm sure in no time CEB will go long haul. I just can't immagine going to say LA or Frisco without any food, drink, or in-flight entertainment . What are they gonna do? Play games on-board for 12 hours? Play hide-and seek and bring me? hehehe.... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

I'm sure in no time CEB will go long haul. I just can't immagine going to say LA or Frisco without any food, drink, or in-flight entertainment . What are they gonna do? Play games on-board for 12 hours? Play hide-and seek and bring me? hehehe.... :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Correct! 5J will have to be a full service carrier if it lauches long haul services. Then and only then can the comparisons with PR be fully justified.

maybe not. foods and drinks will be offered but still you gotta pay for that. Air Asia X flying to Gold coast and it seems their are doing good at least.

During booking they will ask wether you require food and other enhancement. We'll see how air asia do and i believe bupak will learn from them.

My jet pick is either airbus a340 or boeing 747 because they are not bound on etops regulations for trans pacific flight. a340 may seems an obvious choice because bupak can maximise flight crew. airbus rated pilots can have CCQ (Cross crew qualifications)

Someday maybe we can be proud when bupak can boastly fly formation like this when at that time maybe they can boast themselves as the number 1 Transpacific LCC.

Air Asia short and medium term plan dont cover transpacific flight to canada and US, this is the best time for bupak to stamp their mark on transpacific discount flights.

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/1613/136001197205829ij2.jpg

CP does have the intent for US flights in the near future, so expansion is inevitable. Investment and funds are the only limiting factors in their ambition.

Also if was not fo CP, we would not have our 23% increase in domestic air traffic in just a year! CP will most likely overtake PR in international passenger volume too.

Also I heard from the oldies that pre-Tan PR was much better than it is now.

Not that I adore his so called tax evation activities or crony accusation, Infairness to him before Lucio Tan. PAL wasn't earning money for the past 20years of it´s existence with debts amounting to $2B.It has now been reduced by less than half. Employees might be enjoying their perks but the company itself it suffering...besides hadn't he spunn off PAL's maintenance division we would'nt be a maintenance hub here in SEA. I just passed LTP's hangar today. and there were Austrian Airline,Air Tahiti Nui,Lufthansa and Gulf Air...and hadn't he listed PAL in the stockmarket I wouldn't earn from its stocks:lol:......

Well I was hoping that CP will eventually list itself from the market but everyone is just too afraid this will become another Splash holding since the company is just merely using to finance it's expansion, with its razor thin profit I doubt whether it will be a good buy....

^^ You should have taken a photo of those carriers being serviced by LTP, it's nice to see them making stops at MNL even though it's just for maintenance check-ups.

is that true the Philippines is the hub for maintenance? Not a hub yet but looking at the customers list it's a good job anyway.

^^ Well considering how many airlines are going here to get their D-Checks the way no other SEA Nation are ever to do so, I guess we would have a leverage to call it hub. LT made a good choice of making Lufthansa Technik as his partner. I mean that's a respectable brand in MRO industry...


Ei ssangyong nice to see you back;),how's your megatop training?

PAL’s amazing turnaround (http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2007/dec/11/yehey/opinion/20071211opi5.html)

Two weeks ago, the ninth Airbus A320-family aircraft was delivered to the Philippine Airlines, a clear signal that the once ailing airline is ready to soar to new heights, literally, after it formally moved out of receivership in early October.

The latest delivery was part of the 20 brand-new single-aisle jets that PAL has ordered from the European aircraft manufacturer and other airplane leasing companies.

In Dec. 2008 when the airline’s refleeting program is completed, PAL will be the first airline in the world to operate a full-range of new generation Airbus aircraft consisting of A320s and the wide-bodied A-330s and A-340s. On top of that, the first of six B777-300ERs that PAL has ordered is also expected to arrive in 2009.

PAL is indeed is on its way to full recovery. Some business analysts have even described PAL’s amazing turnaround as a “corporate miracle.” And the airline’s performance during the past years will bear this out.

Despite the net loss of $11.8 million from July to Sept. 2007, the airline still managed to earn a sizeable profit of $22.7 million for the first half of its 2007-2008 fiscal year.

From April to Sept. 2007, the first half of its fiscal year, PAL posted revenues of $727.4 million against expenses of $704.7 million. The resulting net income of $22.7 million was 107 percent over—or more than double—the $10.9 million profit earned in the same period in 2006.

Biggest profit

During the last fiscal year that ended on March 31, 2007, PAL reported a net income of $140.3 million, the largest profit in its 66-year history.

In 2006, the airline reported profits of $28.7 million, the first time since 1993 that the airline had a surplus exceeding $20 million, when it booked US$40.5 million. PAL is forecasting net profit to reach $32.32 million for the fiscal year that would end in March 2008, $26.28 million for fiscal 2009 and $47.41 million in 2010.

The flag carrier recently emerged from eight years under receivership in robust condition, having posted operational profits for eight straight years and a net income for six of those years

How would this latest development affect the operations of PAL?

Graduating from receivership would mean a number of positive changes in the country’s flag carrier. It would lower financing cost, improve financing terms and better access to capital markets.

Already the PAL management had embarked on an ambitious road show across Asia, Europe and North America to drum up interest in a limited offering of shares of PAL Holdings, Inc., the airline’s parent company.

The infusion of new capital would in turn provide greater flexibility to PAL as it seeks to modernize its fleet, expand its services and venture into new markets.

Because of its remarkable performance during the last eight years, the Sydney-based aviation industry analyst and consultant
Centre for Asia-Pacific Aviation (CAPA) has bestowed on PAL the prestigious “Airline Turnaround of the Year” award.

In giving the award, CAPA executive chairman Peter Harbison said that few airlines have reformed themselves so comprehensively as PAL. “An unflinching cost focus, network focus and superb productivity enhancements have provided Philippine Airlines the platform to profitably expand and establish a strong position in the region’s aviation industry,” he said.

People behind

Some 10 years ago, when everybody has written off PAL as beyond saving after years of mismanagement and labor strife, there was one man who saw it differently. With his keen business acumen and raw grit, industrialist Lucio C. Tan, PAL chairman and CEO, went for the jugular and infused $200 million into the airline. This started the long and arduous rehabilitation of PAL, which eventually bore remarkable results.

After Tan, the second person that should be credited for the airline’s strong rebound is PAL president and COO Jaime J. Bautista. It was under Bautista’s watch, first as executive vice president and later as president, that PAL rose from the ashes, like the proverbial phoenix, to become a profitable airline.

Bautista is a certified public accountant. In PAL, he has held the positions of senior vice president for finance, later as executive vice president and chief operating officer. He was elected president and COO in August 2004. For a brief period, from March to August 2004, Bautista was president and CEO of Air Philippines, also owned by Tan.

Among the other positions currently held by Bautista are: chairman and president of Basic Capital Investments Corp. (since June 2001); president of Cube Factor Holdings, Inc. (since March 1992); president and member of the Board of Trustees of the University of the East (since July 2002).

BETTER WEBSITE?

http://www.philippineairlines.com/

PHILIPPINE AIRLINES


http://www.cebupacificair.com/

CEBU PACIFIC

^^ Excitingly wonderful news. =]

Better Website?

I'd say PAL

Oh let's just cut to the chase, shall we? PAL wins everything hands down. The best "all-around" airline in the Philippines! Period! :lol:









(That is my opinion and I most definitely am entitled to it. Don't agree? Well, shove it!) ;)

^^that amazing turnaround is at the expense of air transport development of the Republic.

Currently several airlines can not fly out of the country because PR hogs it's routes,
PR also blocks pocket open skies, Let's not even talk about what they are doing in Naia3, and even now several groups want to open up new airlines and even if it's deregulated it's impossible to get a franchise to operate out of NAIA because of Kapitan. So while it's good the airline is doing well, I'd say that in general the Republic will be better off without it.

^^that amazing turnaround is at the expense of air transport development of the Republic.

Currently several airlines can not fly out of the country because PR hogs it's routes,
PR also blocks pocket open skies, Let's not even talk about what they are doing in Naia3, and even now several groups want to open up new airlines and even if it's deregulated it's impossible to get a franchise to operate out of NAIA because of Kapitan. So while it's good the airline is doing well, I'd say that in general the Republic will be better off without it.

Tiger Airways delayed plan to set up a base in Clark has really pissed them off. Seems they got faster and firmer approval when they set up their base in Australia and Korea. What is wrong with the people who's responsible with all this mess? I cant understand their mentality..Why is Gloria so afraid of LT and JG

Well it depends on who's benefiting....if both PAL and Ceb Pac will earn income in our country taxes are directly transferred to the government benefitting all of us. If those two companies are not listed or being listed in the stock exchange. Then IMO theirs would be selfish success. but since both are gone or going public. Their profits will be better distributed to the public....

IMO though I think it's GMA role to protect those two carriers. We push for more flights from those carriers yet were also clamoring to bring them into greater competition. Air Asia and Tiger Airways are giants in comparison to Ceb Pac. Yet we push their sustenance to their rivals....they already have both low operating cost on their respective bases putting local carriers in hard competition

^^ well of course their a full pledge carrier. It would be great competition if Ceb hasnt chosen to be an LCC,but then again what important is that they are both filling their respective markets

^^ Well considering how many airlines are going here to get their D-Checks the way no other SEA Nation are ever to do so, I guess we would have a leverage to call it hub. LT made a good choice of making Lufthansa Technik as his partner. I mean that's a respectable brand in MRO industry...


Ei ssangyong nice to see you back;),how's your megatop training?

Is that true raven? In Changi and Subang airports they offer D-checks too. SIAEC and MAS E hangars also caters for many carriers. No statistic to support my argument but i think to call LTP a hub is a little bit premature. SIAEC turnover from MRO jobs are about USD 2 billion per annum and most of the jobs are done in Singapore.

About 5 hangars for maintenance in Changi. It's near the cargo side entrance. In KLIA there's also maintenance hangar for MAS and Air Asia. Currently the world's longest pillar free hangar in the world is in KLIA. just completed. Subang airport currently houses MAS engineering. They do MRO jobs (A-D checks) for Saudi Air, Garuda, MAS, and for some european and arab carrier too. Eurocopter and RMAF is also there. Then it's airod doing MRO jobs for RMAF and once in a while there's other military aircraft stopped there for regular checks. I'm not sure. My friend told me. :lol: LTP in NAIA is big but there's little graphical info from airliners.net and jetphotos.net as there's not many pinoy aerogeeks around to snap pictures.

I have yet to start mega ark training. Now i'm still flying Lear 45 around Australia. It's in SIA colors. I've logged about 120hrs now. We need 80 hrs more. I fly every 2 days. Most of our sortie are for about 45 minutes hr to 1 hr. for the first 80 hrs we fly with instructor. After that we'll be paired with other cadets until check ride usually held after you complete at least 200 hrs. Nothing biggie. Just to familiarise you with jet operations. Fly at higher altitude (max ceiling 40,000 ft) and into regional and international airports. Ocassionally we'll get to fly to Melbourne Tullmarine, Avalon, Kingford Smith and coolangtta (Gold Coast).

I'll finish by mid january. After i'll go home to Singapore and start training on Mega Ark for another 3 months. touch and go will be done at Johor's Senai International Airport. I cant wait to finish Lear 45 training. I'm only earning as a cadet now. hehehe. Once i start 747 type rating, they will pay me basic SO salary without allowance. Hope to fly into NAIA somedays.

^^the problem with such an argument stems from the fact that the interests of the these two companies does not equate with the interest of the general public. What benefits PR and 5J receive do not neccesarily mean the greater good has been performed for all of us citizens. Their interests are very narrow, one is jobs which ironically is not an issue because all the pilots and ground guys will easily be hired, and two money which actually makes just two sets of owners richer. Two of the richest businessmen in the country already. One can easily calculate if the sum of the jobs, profits, taxes these two companies make or contribute to the economy is outweighed by having more service and more importantly cheaper service which brings me to the more important issue which protectors of these airlines never raise which is the rights and benefits of the consumer. How having two filipino airlines alone limiting the choice of passengers make it better for consumers is never brought up because it's not to any of us consumers advantage. TR wanted to fly off Clark and this is only indirect competition but yet they still do not want us to have that choice even if they can not service it themselves because they do not have the planes. More competition means better service, better prices and choice of which is more important and at what level. Protecting them means making the two of richest guys richer yet taking away choice for consumers which would almost surely include lower prices.

^^kewl

Is that true raven? In Changi and Subang airports they offer D-checks too. SIAEC and MAS E hangars also caters for many carriers. No statistic to support my argument but i think to call LTP a hub is a little bit premature. SIAEC turnover from MRO jobs are about USD 2 billion per annum and most of the jobs are done in Singapore.

About 5 hangars for maintenance in Changi. It's near the cargo side entrance. In KLIA there's also maintenance hangar for MAS and Air Asia. Currently the world's longest pillar free hangar in the world is in KLIA. just completed. Subang airport currently houses MAS engineering. They do MRO jobs (A-D checks) for Saudi Air, Garuda, MAS, and for some european and arab carrier too. Eurocopter and RMAF is also there. Then it's airod doing MRO jobs for RMAF and once in a while there's other military aircraft stopped there for regular checks. I'm not sure. My friend told me. :lol: LTP in NAIA is big but there's little graphical info from airliners.net and jetphotos.net as there's not many pinoy aerogeeks around to snap pictures.

I have yet to start mega ark training. Now i'm still flying Lear 45 around Australia. It's in SIA colors. I've logged about 120hrs now. We need 80 hrs more. I fly every 2 days. Most of our sortie are for about 45 minutes hr to 1 hr. for the first 80 hrs we fly with instructor. After that we'll be paired with other cadets until check ride usually held after you complete at least 200 hrs. Nothing biggie. Just to familiarise you with jet operations. Fly at higher altitude (max ceiling 40,000 ft) and into regional and international airports. Ocassionally we'll get to fly to Melbourne Tullmarine, Avalon, Kingford Smith and coolangtta (Gold Coast).

I'll finish by mid january. After i'll go home to Singapore and start training on Mega Ark for another 3 months. touch and go will be done at Johor's Senai International Airport. I cant wait to finish Lear 45 training. I'm only earning as a cadet now. hehehe. Once i start 747 type rating, they will pay me basic SO salary without allowance. Hope to fly into NAIA somedays.

Cool! Well regarding the hub thingie, LTP may not have that many hangars but they were very efficient in making good use of their facilities. and with rich diversity of .I mean its very rare that a european carriers would go here in Asia to have their d-checks. Initially it was planned that all Lufthansa/Swissair and Austrian Airlines A340/A330 were to be overhauled here in PI but union problems made only few of them reach PI.....

Here's the list of carriers(as far as my knowledge is concerned who did their D-checks here) D-Checks and not Repair...

TAP-Portugal
Austrian Airlines
Lufthansa
SwissAir
Olympic
Virgin Atlantic
Aerolineas Argentinas
Gulf Air
Qatar Airways
PAL
Cathay Pacific
Air Tahiti Nui
Qantas
JetStar
Air Mauritius
My Travel
Thomas Cook
British Midland
Air Calin
Jet Airways (new)
Skymark or Star Flyer?
Etihad A340/A330(new)

what is d checks

^^ err were on different perspective here obviously your one of those people who has this principle that the rich people are evil,control everything etc etc....and they should not be protected. In my opinion this guys are pillars of the economy hasn't been for them we wouldnt have PAL and Ceb as they are today. Everyone here knows how terrible PAL is being run in the 80's. I don't want to be a racist but for the past twenty years before LT when PAL was ruled by pure bred pinoys appointed by the government. It hasn't made any kind of money or whatsoever and became a source of corruption of its employees left and right.

Besides CAB has this rules of engagement and local carriers has a right to challenge whatever application is passed on to them. We must not forget that our own local carriers are also subjected to terrible rules abroad. Not that I say that it's a "get back to your enemy thing" but they have a right to protect their own turf.

Well anyway I respect your opinion;)

^^ total overhaul yun tigs,it's like a mandatory general check up in the case of humans;),

By Erwin Oliva
INQUIRER.net
Last updated 03:16pm (Mla time) 12/13/2007

MANILA, Philippines -- Local airline Cebu Pacific is now receiving about 12,500 calls a day, a far cry from a previous average of 5,000 to 6,000 calls a day using an aging telephone system, executives said.

Prompted by the alarming rate of unanswered calls to the local airline's call center in 2005, Cebu Pacific has junked its old private automated branch exchange (PABX) and has installed an Avaya-based call center solution that now operates 24 hours, said Marilyn Basa, director of information systems division of Cebu Air Inc., said in a briefing.

Cebu Pacific could only handle about 40 calls at a time using the PABX system.

Cebu Pacific said it now has call center operations in Manila and Cebu that could support 120 seats, said Candice Alabanza-Iyog, vice president for marketing and product of Cebu Air Inc. The local airline aims to grow this number to 150, with 100 located in Manila, and the rest in Cebu, the executive said.

Meanwhile, the Cebu Pacific executives said the local airline is also pushing its web-based booking system to declog calls related to bookings.

Alabanza-Iyog said about 30 percent of airline bookings are now coming from the web.

The company is now working on integrating its web-based booking system with its call center solution, said Basa.

"We're currently overhauling the front-line processes. So we don't have a schedule yet as to when the integration will happen," she added.

Jebsen and Jessen Communicatons, an Avaya business partner, worked on setting up the call center solution for Cebu Pacific.

The executives at Cebu Pacific said it took three weeks to set up the call center solution. Here (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/infotech/view_article.php?article_id=106656)

^^

Oh, rich people aren't evil, just Lucio Tan :D

Seriously though, you do mean to be racist when you imply that "purebreds" mismanaged PAL. Heck, Lucio Tan did his share of bungling and mismanaging the airline when he first got his hands on it. I mean, wet-leasing an MD11 just to fly to New York?

Either way, we aren't protesting that the wealthier families make money. What's wrong is that some of them are being excessively anti-competitive. PAL makes life miserable for every other airline that operates in this country, including Cebu Pacific. And they don't do this by offering a better product or better fares, but by restricting other airlines' capabilities to operate here.

This Saturday ang flight ko Cebu Pacific Manila>Tacloban, pabalik cebu pacific pa rin Cebu>Manila naman.:D

^^sosyal ka, magoout of town ka pala. Kainggit naman kayo. Ang hirap talaga kapag ang probinsiya mo ay Metro Manila. :lol: