^^sosyal ka, magoout of town ka pala. Kainggit naman kayo. Ang hirap talaga kapag ang probinsiya mo ay Metro Manila. :lol:

you can get tickets as low as 900. ang bakasyon ko planned na(yearly) kaya ticket ko booked na 6 months to 11 months in advance:D

ganun din gawin mo, punta ka ng cebu ng isang araw:lol: lang tapos uwi agad:D:D:D

mas mura ang cebu pacific ng 400 ata kaysa PAL kung parehong discounted.

^^ok. sa inyo ako magbabakasyon. :lol:

^^ok. sa inyo ako magbabakasyon. :lol:

ok, i-totour kita sa Leyte killing field ni ka Satur.:lol:

what is d checks

D check is a specified whole airframe and engine stripdown procedure when an aircraft reaches a number of flighthours or calendar years whichever comes first,varies in model and size as prescribed by the manufacturer.

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee280/asia_na/PR_2P_Partnership.jpg

Partnership of Philippine Airlines and Air Philippines
credits: philippineairlines.com

^^ Nice ad. :colgate:

^^

and I still can't tell the difference between the PAL f/a uniforms and the National Bookstore lady uniforms.

^^ In that ad, there are three PR FAs and one 2P FA. Two pilots, and one guy that I don't know who he works for. :lol:

Correct! 5J will have to be a full service carrier if it lauches long haul services. Then and only then can the comparisons with PR be fully justified.

Unless 5j is willing to do what Virgin Atlantic is doing. V A is offering low cost type of fare bit still offers luxury in all its trans atlantic routes.

^^ In that ad, there are three PR FAs and one 2P FA. Two pilots, and one guy that I don't know who he works for. :lol:

I'm guessing one of the two pilots walking infront is from PAL and the other one is from 2P, while the one with a tie could be a male flight attendant from 2P?

^^

Oh, rich people aren't evil, just Lucio Tan :D

Seriously though, you do mean to be racist when you imply that "purebreds" mismanaged PAL. Heck, Lucio Tan did his share of bungling and mismanaging the airline when he first got his hands on it. I mean, wet-leasing an MD11 just to fly to New York?

Either way, we aren't protesting that the wealthier families make money. What's wrong is that some of them are being excessively anti-competitive. PAL makes life miserable for every other airline that operates in this country, including Cebu Pacific. And they don't do this by offering a better product or better fares, but by restricting other airlines' capabilities to operate here.

Well I do apologize for that,Though you know how I'm telling the truth when I said that previous govn't appointed managers only sunk PAL deeper into the mud. Not that I don't have a confidence to our fellow Filipino's but knowing how government appointees are. Their most likely be chosen because of their connections and not talents. That's why most State owned corporations here in PI are government headaches except for few say PAGCOR, but the rest?:ohno:,A painfull but blunt truth....:( This is why I believe in private enterprise.

AFAIK about PAL leasing that MD-11 is simply because of that CAT2 rating that they received back then, which they believe was made to force PAL to agree in open skies agreement with FAA. There were certain legal restrictions that they have to face and the only solution to expand flights to US was to wet lease a US registered aircraft. Thus PAL was able to expand it's US flights using those aircraft. with flights coming from Laoag to HNL,MNL-LA via Seoul,and there was also a planned CEB-LA via Tokyo. but never materialized....

Anyway heres a good news...2P's Dash-8-300 has been delivered, it will start a 5x daily flight to Caticlan starting Dec 15

Pictures are from MON of Philskies.net

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/ravencute83/RP-C3016_3.jpg

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http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/ravencute83/RP-C3016_1.jpg

^^

yeah, I remember the CATII rating, but that still wasn't an excuse to make a wet-lease for an inefficient plane to go on such a crazy route. That, and late 90's PAL had waaaaay more aircraft than it needed.

I know that PAL was ridiculously mismanaged before Lucio Tan, but he was only able to turn the airline around after bankruptcy when things couldn't get any worse. That, and he got better management that was less megalomaniac, and they're finally getting rid of that antiquated first class. Either way, the past is the past. PAL at least makes money now.

The Q300s are looking good, btw. Looks like they've found nemo.

^^ haha exactly 2P people calls it Nemo plane :lol:

Anyway heres a good news...2P's Dash-8-300 has been delivered, it will start a 5x daily flight to Caticlan starting Dec 15

Pictures are from MON of Philskies.net

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/ravencute83/RP-C3016_3.jpg

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/ravencute83/RP-C3016_2.jpg

http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/ravencute83/RP-C3016_1.jpg

Hmm....I wonder if the Disney company gets royalties from the use of the likeness of Nemo. Disney is very protective of its characters in merchandising, if they get wind of this, they might be on the attack for dues! :lol:

Well it's not exactly Nemo looking the eyes are too small and chinky...so its Nimoy the pinoy clown fish:D....


CORNY PILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:lol:

^^ err were on different perspective here obviously your one of those people who has this principle that the rich people are evil,control everything etc etc....and they should not be protected. In my opinion this guys are pillars of the economy hasn't been for them we wouldnt have PAL and Ceb as they are today. Everyone here knows how terrible PAL is being run in the 80's. I don't want to be a racist but for the past twenty years before LT when PAL was ruled by pure bred pinoys appointed by the government. It hasn't made any kind of money or whatsoever and became a source of corruption of its employees left and right.

Besides CAB has this rules of engagement and local carriers has a right to challenge whatever application is passed on to them. We must not forget that our own local carriers are also subjected to terrible rules abroad. Not that I say that it's a "get back to your enemy thing" but they have a right to protect their own turf.

Well anyway I respect your opinion;)

Thank you but I think solblanc's response says it all.

I wish your confidence in CAB was something that I could easily accept but let's just say that different parts of government have pointed out this agency as one with "captured interest".

Anyway on a different note had a short meeting with CIAC and they say that the CBD plan is definitely dead as the area is surely CIAC, also that the new expansion should be enjoyed early next year! With regards to open skies they actually believe GMA is swaying towards supporting them.

ON a different note all together , looks like the pilot shortage may be temporarily be addressed. Our friends in this profession @Ssangyong etc looks like you guys have an extra 5 years of career life!

DATE:14/12/07
SOURCE:Flightglobal.com
President Bush signs pilots' age-65 bill into law
By David Kaminski-Morrow

US President George Bush has signed into law the bill raising the mandatory retirement age for pilots from 60 to 65 years.

The White House confirms that Bush signed the ‘Fair Treatment for Experienced Pilots Act’ yesterday.

It follows approval of the legislation from US Congress earlier this week.

American Airlines’ pilot union, the Allied Pilots Association (APA), had urged Bush to veto the legislation but the union admits its support of maintaining retirement at age 60 was a minority stance.

Well it's not exactly Nemo looking the eyes are too small and chinky...so its Nimoy the pinoy clown fish:D....

CORNY PILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:lol:

Corny pills indeed! :lol:

Because of PAL and Airphil being owned by the same person, they have an alliance ongoing: Airphil handling the vismin routes, while PAL is based in Manila, with no connecting flights setup. Airphil has connecting flights using Cebu as their hub, similar to Cebu Pacific. Although both do use either Bacolod or Iloilo from Manila, of which the flight proceeds to Cebu before proceeding to Mindanao, either Davao or Gensan. Because Cebu pacific does the flights that both PAL and Airphil does, Cebu Pacific has overtaken PAL.

As of October 1, 2007, the Mabuhay Miles alliance between Airphil and PAL ended. Anyone taking airphil either using an Airphil ticket or even a PAL ticket on codeshare, does not earn any benefits with Mabuhay Miles. This will turn off some passengers. Why take Airphil if it can't offer any Mabuhay Miles benefits when you can take Cebu Pacific at a lower fare?

Since that time, PAL hasn't added any new domestic routes, while Cebu Pacific has, plenty, much much more new flights that even PAL and Airphil combined. Cebu Pacific really has expanded successfully, while PAL can now crow as the turnaround airline of the decade. But if they don't react faster, they will soon be playing catch up to Cebu Pacific.




I'm guessing one of the two pilots walking infront is from PAL and the other one is from 2P, while the one with a tie could be a male flight attendant from 2P?

Yup, that guy without a suit is an airphil FA.

Oh let's just cut to the chase, shall we? PAL wins everything hands down. The best "all-around" airline in the Philippines! Period! :lol:


Everything except your budget.

In my opinion Davao has the best International Airport in the country, and this is an unbiased statement, since i'm not from Davao!

Hopefully all of our local airports can emulate davao to a certain degree. especially in interior works and ambience.

^^ What about :cough: Mactan-Cebu :cough: ?

^^^ Its pretty ok too, better than Manila.

for me better ang CEB kaysa DVO....

Hmm....I wonder if the Disney company gets royalties from the use of the likeness of Nemo. Disney is very protective of its characters in merchandising, if they get wind of this, they might be on the attack for dues! :lol:

the dash 400 has landing gear incidents this year and it happened thrice to the same airline sas

^^ 2P version is -300 version it has a good service record;)....besides it's designed perfectly for STOL operations than CP's future ATR-72..which only rely on extra engine power and brakes to able to land on small runways

^^^^, it's not a budget airlines or LCC. You can't expect the whole world if you are just paying for a peanut. Want good or atleast decent service? fly PAL. If you wanna go cheap just to get to your destination? Go 5j ;)

^^^^, it's not a budget airlines or LCC. You can't expect the whole world if you are just paying for a peanut. Want good or atleast decent service? fly PAL. If you wanna go cheap just to get to your destination? Go 5j ;)

Well CEB isnt really that cheap in comparison to PAL,if you booked month in advance using their respective websites on the routes that they fight head on, the price difference is just around 100-800 pesos anyway...so for few hundred bucks I'd rather give my self a less head-ache of taking a Legacy Carrier.

I didn't say 5J is cheap at all, just cheaper or a bit cheaper than PAL, sorry if I made it sound that way. They are making air travel more affordable now to filipinos than it used to be with all these competitions. It's always a good thing!

^ Limme share a little disgusting story. 5JXXX left SIN on 15 Dec 07 early morning (not sure the time though) only with the passengers (180 of them).... and their luggage? All left at the airport. It arrives the next day. . . This is the last thing that I want to happen when travelling. So my cousin told me this what you get out of paying PHP1 ticket... I was laughing hard. :)

nung pumunta kmi PVG via 5J last nov 2, wala pa atang 50 yung tao sa flight. nagdaldalan lang yung mga flight attendants hehehehe...

siguro kung domestic ok na sken 5J. pero kung regional PAL pdin.

^ Limme share a little disgusting story. 5JXXX left SIN on 15 Dec 07 early morning (not sure the time though) only with the passengers (180 of them).... and their luggage? All left at the airport. It arrives the next day. . . This is the last thing that I want to happen when travelling. So my cousin told me this what you get out of paying PHP1 ticket... I was laughing hard. :)
nung pumunta kmi PVG via 5J last nov 2, wala pa atang 50 yung tao sa flight. nagdaldalan lang yung mga flight attendants hehehehe...

siguro kung domestic ok na sken 5J. pero kung regional PAL pdin.

:rofl: This is the stuff that legends are made of! :lol:

I've never been to Davao so I can't really compare. IMO, NAIA T2 is better than MCIA, I feel a little cramped whenever I'm at MCIA.

^^ Yeah MCIA is too dark for an airport that was built in the early nineties we had a discussion on that in CEB thread, DVO is really cool:okay: I mean carpeted departure areas,wide and well lighted check in areas and interiors, but there's a 10year difference between the two. The only thing is lack of international connection by a major carrier and those unfashionable shopkeepers (parang nasa tutuban lang,same as that on MCIA). Even my dad's German Associates were impressed. Though they think that cebu has better hotels. Ganun talaga one cannot have them all.......

I hope MCIA will be renovated though....

I agree with animasola about the NAIA T2. DVO might just look newer but it has alot less international services than NAIA and MCIA so, Are you comparing it in terms of service or just the facility itself great1?

hrmm... 2Ps uniform looks more appealing to me than PRs ... like PRs uniform is too plain?

^^ Nah were just talking about architecture and design, regarding connections it's just a matter of time before DVO would get one, You know being part of Mindanao it has to struggle against these stereotypes...I love T2 as well but I think the facility itself looks tired there's a lot of spot that is looks overused, it needs a good renovation in few years time. and a second security entrance. It gets jam packed during early mornings,lunch time and during departure of evening flights in the international wing

In my opinion Davao has the best International Airport in the country, and this is an unbiased statement, since i'm not from Davao!

Hopefully all of our local airports can emulate davao to a certain degree. especially in interior works and ambience.

thanks for appreciating our airport :)

my only complaint with the airport is the lackof davaoeño feel (its too contemporary sa loob) inside unlike the old DIA terminal which to me felt more "grand" with the high ceiling pre departure area and the chandeliers and capiz shells

sure the outside looks mindanaoan, but i can barely find a mindanaoan "touch" inside

the departure gates also feels "generic" (and whats with the per "room" gates? bat di gaya ng NAIAII na isang open pre departure area? sa DIA kasi they divided it to 8 rooms ata)

tapos upon arrival, the concourse is too "clean" and too "white"

^^ yeah.....what the arrival concourse simply need is a paint make over. A good three toned color will be good enough. Around a Php 100k worth of paint will do it,kahit gayahin nalan nila yung colors sa budget terminal sa Changi which is lively and wittingly done

i think new airports now are mostly "generic" ,so we are still lucky the exterior have some semblance of "mindanaoan" it's too expensive to make say a panulong in metal/aluminum or okir on metal :)

nung pumunta kmi PVG via 5J last nov 2, wala pa atang 50 yung tao sa flight. nagdaldalan lang yung mga flight attendants hehehehe...

siguro kung domestic ok na sken 5J. pero kung regional PAL pdin.

Well PR is far stricter with their flight attendants. And training is superior at 3 months compared to 5J's 1 month. And at PR flight attendants are not qualified to go international till after a few years of training.

For flight attendants I'll go for PR.

Isn't it that international routes are mostly reserved for senior FAs? So if you're a plebe and just starting out, you're relegated to the domestic routes first, to "earn your wings" so to speak.

It like this ad... the power of two alliance is great. It shows how powerful can 2 airlines make.

http://i234.photobucket.com/albums/ee280/asia_na/PR_2P_Partnership.jpg

Partnership of Philippine Airlines and Air Philippines
credits: philippineairlines.com


and I still can't tell the difference between the PAL f/a uniforms and the National Bookstore lady uniforms.

Sobra ka naman mas ngetpa nman yung sa natl bookstore... checkered pa yun...


Well PR is far stricter with their flight attendants. And training is superior at 3 months compared to 5J's 1 month. And at PR flight attendants are not qualified to go international till after a few years of training.

For flight attendants I'll go for PR.

Yes very strict... I had my OJT at PLC, I saw how strict is their training and checked their grades most of them are 100% scorer even the Korean FAs... nkakahiya mka 99 or 98% kung one of the students ka...

Kya beneficial sa mga airline na ngpipirate nlang PR FAs.

That's why those in international are really professionals although maraming seniors alam mu nmang mgagaling dhil lhat tlga ng magagaling nilalagay sa international.

meh nakalimutan pala akong kwento regarding that 5J flight..meh family nagbaon nang adobo sa byahe! hehehe mas masarap pa yung pagkain nila kaysa sa crew eh...ang kulet talaga nun eh...ang bango pa nung adobo. hehehe

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Bird's eye view of NAIA/Centennial Terminal by tiborperenyi (http://www.flickr.com/photos/13017501@N03/)

I just remember the BA world images I didn't know that they abolish it due negative reactions in UK and on Tower controls since 2001.

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Rendezvous by Yin Man Yam
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Delfblue Daybreak by Hugo Kaagman
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Whale Rider by Joe David
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Kewl! I've never ridden Cebu Pacific so here it goes. :colgate: ehem..

Ok, the first time I rode Philippine Airlines was in 1999 when I came back to the Philippines for the first time after immigrating the year before. I think the flight was PR105 since I always see that and it was from San Francisco bound for Manila. This is my 3rd time riding a plane, the first time being Northwest Airlines' Manila-Tokyo-San Francisco route. First of all, I am a fan of the food in PAL. It's orgasmic! I like the breakfast sausages and egg... and the beef and noodles (lunch?), and the all the food! I eat it up! OMG... come to think of it, I would love some right now....................... Anyway, I love the entertainment in PAL. Nice movies... yada yada. By the time we reached Manila, the landing was unbelievably smooth. I clapped so loud. and.. that's it! woot.





BTW, does PAL have any of those personal tvs behind the back seats in Fiesta Class? I think I saw one, or that was another airline... ANYWAYZ Sorry for the poor english tonight folks! I'm really tired.

is it allowed in cebu pacific to bring your own snacks on board?? the prices of the snacks they serve are very expensive....

Philippines' Cebu Pacific to buy 4 more ATR turbo-prop planes (http://www.forbes.com/afxnewslimited/feeds/afx/2007/12/18/afx4451048.html)

MANILA (Thomson Financial) - Low-cost carrier Cebu Pacific Air Inc, a unit of Philippine conglomerate JG Summit Holdings Inc, said Tuesday it has placed firm orders for four more turbo-prop planes from ATR, the turboprop joint venture between EADS and Finmeccanica SpA.

The four ATR 72-500 aircraft, to be used for smaller airports, bring to 10 the number of aircraft firmly ordered by Cebu Pacific's from ATR, worth more than 178 million dollars, Lance Gokongwei, Cebu Pacific president said in a statement.

Gokongwei said the airline's latest fleet expansion is expected to boost flights to key destinations in the domestic route, alowing it to serve more cities with runways too short for its Airbus fleet.

Currently, only 25 out of the 75 airports in the Philippines are wide enough to accommodate Airbus aircraft.

Cebu Pacific announced earlier this year its acquisition of up to 14 ATR aircraft consisting of six firm orders and eight options. This is on top of the maximum 20 Airbus jets worth 1.3 billion dollars it announced last year.

The first six ATRS will be delivered in 2008 and four in 2009. The first four Airbus A320 planes will be delivered in 2008, which will bring Cebu Pacific's fleet to 25 by the end of 2008.

Gokongwei had said that with the entry of the new ATR 72-500 planes, Cebu Pacific will be able to compete head-on with other smaller airlines such as SeaAir and Asian Spirit in flying directly to Caticlan in Aklan, which is nearer to Boracay than Kalibo, also in Aklan, where Cebu Pacific currently has daily flights.

Caticlan and Kalibo airports cater mainly to Boracay-bound tourists, the country's current number one tourist destination. Some 200,000 of the estimated 556,000 annual visitors to Boracay land on Caticlan.

Cebu Pacific's Caticlan service using the ATR 72-500 planes will start on February 29 next year.

PAL. i bought to seats (5am flight tomorrow) knina MNL-CEB php 1,700 only!!!

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is it allowed in cebu pacific to bring your own snacks on board?? the prices of the snacks they serve are very expensive....


Based on my experience, yes.

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sorry to correct you. pero ang flag po ng UK is called the Union Jack hindi po Flag. Hindi po ako galit. hehehe..minor correction lang naman po eh. =)

meh nakalimutan pala akong kwento regarding that 5J flight..meh family nagbaon nang adobo sa byahe! hehehe mas masarap pa yung pagkain nila kaysa sa crew eh...ang kulet talaga nun eh...ang bango pa nung adobo. hehehe

Hahahaha!!! I actually have a personal experience a bit like that. My family and i were going to go to Hawaii to spend the Christmas Holidays back in 2001 and there was a loooong layover at Osaka KIX via Northwest. I think it was about 8 or 9 hours. There were'nt any good foodshops at KIX (i dn't know if this has changed now coz NW doesnt fly MNL-KIX anymore) so our family made baon adobo inside our hand carried bags. HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! But instead of eating it inside the plane, we ate it at the depature waiting area of KIX. Kakatawa. It was a good thing coz there were only a few people there and noone laughed at us. Hahahahaha..... Pero in our defense, wala naman talaga makakainan sa KIX nung 2001 eh. Ang haba ng terminal. I remember sa sobrang tagal ng connecting flight to Honolulu, nilakat ko twice yung buong length ng terminal, i went inside each and everyone of the restrooms, at sa sobrang ka bored ko, finlush ko lahat ng urinals and toilets. i did that twice. hehehehe...

i know this doesn't have anything to do with CEB vs PAL.I just wanted to share this hilarious and unbelievably embarassing experience of mine. =)

does anyone her know what happened to cebu pacific last dec 14, that has got to be big blunder for this aircraft, I've never liked 5J, and what happened seems to support that...

they cancelled four, first flights , and had it scheduled for the next day, I know plenty of people who were terribly hassled by what happened,.. especially since they had the passengers wait for several hours just to make an outright decision cause as it turns out all their managers were sleeping..sheez..

Cebu Pacific to acquire more aircraft (http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2007/dec/19/yehey/business/20071219bus9.html)


Budget airline Cebu Pacific (CEB) on Tuesday said it will acquire more aircraft that will be mobilized in small airports nationwide.

Lance Gokongwei, CEB president, said in a statement that his company will be spending $178 million for the acquisition of 10 turbo-prop ATR 72-500 aircraft.

Gokongwei said the additional fleet will allow Cebu Pacific to serve more cities whose runways are too short for Airbus jets.

He said, “This is a huge con*fidence vote for the Philippines, for our tourism sector, and our business model as a provider of quality service at affordable fares. It is also a signal to the flying public that our service and the business oppor*tunities we help generate are now at their doorsteps.”

The Philippines has 75 airports, but only 25 can accommodate CEB’s Airbus fleet.

Areas with smaller airports such as Caticlan in Aklan will likely experience a business boom as the 72-seat ATRs bring in more tourists and businessmen, he said. The Caticlan service will start on February 29, 2008, using CEB’s first ATR.

“Our expanding service will unlock the beauty and natural wealth of our archipelago. We have hubs in Manila, Cebu and Davao and hopefully Clark. All of these can be staging points for travel to what up to now are largely inaccessible destinations,” Gokongwei said.

CEB announced earlier its acquisition of up to fourteen ATR aircraft consisting of six firm orders and eight options. This is on top of the 20 Airbus jets worth $1.3 billion it announced last year.

The Toulouse, France-based regional aircraft manufacturer Avions de Transport Regional (ATR) is the world leader in the 50 to 74 seat turboprop market.

CEB will take delivery of the first six ATRs in 2008 and four in 2009. CEB will also take delivery of four Airbus A320 aircraft in 2008, bringing CEB’s fleet to 25 by the end of 2008.

“From our current fleet of 15 Airbus aircraft, we could have a fleet of up to 50 aircraft composed of 32 Airbus and 18 ATR by the end of 2012 if all options are converted into firm orders,” Gokongwei said.

Cebu Pacific earlier obtained an approval from the Securities and Exchange Commission for the company’s initial public offering, which plans to raise some P6.64 billion. The proceeds of the IPO, which is set next year will be used to fund acquisition of more aircrafts.

The company has appointed UBS Investment Bank as the sole international underwriter, sole book runner and lead manager for the offering and ING Bank N.V. and First Metro Investments Corp. as joint domestic lead underwriters.
-- Darwin G. Amojelar

^ I dunno if this is true but para sa press lang daw yung explanation na may sira yung mga aircraft. May hijack attempt daw kasi that day kaya as a safety precaution they cancelled their flights. Yun ang sabi ng dad ko when he arrived last Friday. I remember that he told us some other details which I forgot. :(

Speaking of my dad, hindi lang ang Cebu Pacific ang nagkaaberya that day (Dec 14) kung 'di pati na rin ang PAL. 19:30 kasi dapat ang flight ng dad ko from Manila to Cebu. Magtetake off na sana yung sinasakyan nilang plane nang biglang nagbreak ang piloto dahil may napansin siyang indicator na 'di dapat umilaw. It took them two hours to decide na palipatin ang mga pasahero sa ibang aircraft. 21:30 na sila nakalipat ng aircraft and nagtakeoff on 21:45. I'm glad my dad arrived safe at 22:45 of that day. :)

PAL. i bought to seats (5am flight tomorrow) knina MNL-CEB php 1,700 only!!!

Good luck sa imo bai. Rates from MNL to any point in the Visayas has a whopping price of P3k-P5k per pax already for the rest of X'mas all the way to New Year!!! Just reserved for my ILO-MNL flight, both 5J and PR have P1700 for Fri night, but the return flight....nevermind na lang. I'll just take the RoRo bus service or ferry.

sorry to correct you. pero ang flag po ng UK is called the Union Jack hindi po Flag. Hindi po ako galit. hehehe..minor correction lang naman po eh. =)

Uu nga, 'k lng.. tinamad tlga me isulat lhat yun... Chatham Dockyard ata yung full name nyan.
Eto kasi pinag-base ko.
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Cebu Pacific to acquire more aircraft (http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2007/dec/19/yehey/business/20071219bus9.html)


“From our current fleet of 15 Airbus aircraft, we could have a fleet of up to 50 aircraft composed of 32 Airbus and 18 ATR by the end of 2012 if all options are converted into firm orders,” Gokongwei said.



I wonder where will they all squeeze these planes in Manila. Hopefuly they'll develop CRK more because by the looks of this, it seems that we will have an increasing trend of air traffic within the next ten years.

^^ the were suppose to expand the domestic terminal,the old PATTs school is now being demolished

I just remember the BA world images I didn't know that they abolish it due negative reactions in UK and on Tower controls since 2001.

Let share to you my favorite liveries...
Waves of the City by Jenifer Kobylarz
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/ianers_ianized/BA-USA.jpg


Chelsea Rose by Pierce Casey
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/ianers_ianized/BA-ChelseaRose.jpg


Rendezvous by Yin Man Yam
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/ianers_ianized/BA-China3.jpg


Delfblue Daybreak by Hugo Kaagman
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/ianers_ianized/BA-Netherlands.jpg


Whale Rider by Joe David
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/ianers_ianized/BA-Canada.jpg


Ndebele Art by Emmly Masanabo and Martha Masanabo
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/ianers_ianized/BA-SouthAfrica1.jpg

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/ianers_ianized/BA-SouthAfrica2-1.jpg


Waves and Cranes by Matazo Kayama
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/ianers_ianized/BA-WavesandCranes.jpg


Union flag
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/ianers_ianized/BA-UK2.jpg



Other info's here - http://www.lockonaviation.net/html/utopia.html

Why did BA remove those? What were the negative reactions?

^^ The adoption of those liveries was seen as a move away from the traditional British image of the carrier. BA suggested that the previous "Landor" scheme carried an air of arrogance and detachment, and insisted that the new tailfins were popular with international travellers. However, they were unpopular with some people in the UK, despite nine of the designs being inspired by either England, Scotland or Wales (and one Irish scheme). Margaret Thatcher showed her displeasure at the designs by covering one of the new tailfins on a model 747 with a handkerchief. She declared, "We fly the British flag, not these awful things."

(SOURCE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_ethnic_liveries))

hrmmm... theres this article in wikipedia stating that services to Los Angeles is to be starting by October next year by Vietnam Airlines. is this true?

^^ :yes: SOURCE (http://news.airwise.com/story/view/1198125994.html)

Vietnam Airlines said it would sign a contract to buy 10 Airbus A350-900XWB passenger jets and 20 single-aisle A321 jets on Friday.

"This is part of the agreement reached earlier," an official of the Hanoi-based Vietnam Airlines said.

In early October, the airline signed a draft agreement to buy the 30 Airbus aircraft during a visit to Paris by Vietnamese Prime Minister Nguyen Tan Dung.

The Airbus deals are worth USD$3.8 billion at list prices, including USD$2.4 billion for the crucial A350 order where the competition between Boeing and Airbus is at its fiercest.

Vietnam Airlines, under pressure to keep up with demand as the southeast Asian country's economy grows at more than 8 percent a year and tourism and trade with it, has 46 aircraft but wants to increase that to 86 by 2015.

The government had asked Vietnam Airlines to speed up talks with Boeing to sign a contract for purchasing 12 Boeing 787-8 aircraft before November 16 and the deal for the 30 Airbus planes before December 21.

Last month, the national carrier signed the contract with Boeing as scheduled.

The US plane maker will supply four Dreamliner planes to the airline and eight to the aircraft leasing firm, in which Vietnam Airlines is one of five founding shareholders.

The Vietnamese government has said the airline does not have to hold a tender for the purchase of Boeing and Airbus planes. The Finance Ministry would provide guarantees for any funds used for planes and engines, the government said.

Vietnam Airlines aims to expand its fleet to 60 planes in 2010, 85 in 2015 and 107 in 2020.

Earlier this month it signed a contract to buy five new ATR 72-500s, with the first deliveries expected in 2009.

Vietnam Airlines said it planned to start direct flights between Ho Chi Minh City and Los Angeles in the United States by the end of 2008, with five weekly flights in the first stage.

How does ATO categorize one as "International" and "Alternate International"? What is the definition of "trunkline", "secondary" and "feeder"?

Thanks! :)

^^ fully booked na lahat! except for the business class... yikes! ang mahal! ill have to cancel my Manila flight on Dec. 25 (any takers) mura lng since bukas ko pa dapat bayaran... ill have to attend a christmas party for the boys pa ksi!

^^ I even have to take RoRo just in case that I'll be needed to go back to Iloilo from Manila after X'mas due to some job. :D

Not a good news: LH to cease operations in MNL next year. Source is from pinoyexchange.com forums. Although we still need to cross our fingers first for any developments.

Not a good news: LH to cease operations in MNL next year. Source is from pinoyexchange.com forums. Although we still need to cross our fingers first for any developments.

I've read somewhere that LH will cease operation on the 29th of March 08 (sorry forgot the source). I wonder why, i took LH last feb (DUB-FRA-CAN-MNL) and it's pack to the brim. Is it inefficiency or not so much business class traffic?

my sister who works for a travel agency says that Lufthansa will cease their MNL operations next year. :ohno:

Found this (http://airlineroute.blogspot.com/search/label/Lufthansa) so far. There goes another European carrier!

That leaves KLM as the lone European carrier flying to the Philippines right?

Found this (http://airlineroute.blogspot.com/search/label/Lufthansa) so far. There goes another European carrier!

dahil to dun sa naia3

I feel so sad that LH will be folding their wings on Manila after many years of servicing Philippines for so long... Actually it was already circulating on the office about this news. And I had emailed perosnally LH Philippines to confirm and it was confirm by their marketing that their last day of leg is on March 30 2008.

What will happen is that they will become "offline" airline and customers will get in-touch w/ them via other Asian destination they fly like the case of BA via HKG. They reason out that "it is the most rightful of decision of the management of LH as they will have a to focus on other markets"

I'm thinking of low traffic between FRA_MNL is the cause... Anyways here are the excerpt from LH Philippines...

From Jill of Marketing
Lufthansa will, as of this time, discontinue the Frankfurt-Manila service effective summer schedule of 2008 (30 March onwards) however we will still continue to service the Philippine market and now with even more alternatives via our Asian gateways and in collaboration with our partner airlines.

Details regarding flight connections and pricing will be communicated to you the soonest possible time. We will keep you updated via eXperts regarding this. And of course you may still contact Lufthansa as usual, and we assure you of the same level of service that we have extended our travel partners in the past.

Please do not hesitate to contact us in case you have other inquiries. Thanks for your partnership throughout the years and we hope that you continue to support us in the future!


Best regards,
JiLL

*****

Excerpts from management (LH Germany)
The decision was a difficult one but is the most prudent choice as Lufthansa responds to greater demands for air travel in other markets. The move allows Lufthansa to re-allocate its existing resources to cater to these markets.

We are currently making travel arrangements from Manila to neighboring Asian gateways via Lufthansa’s partner airlines so that our customers can travel onwards to their desired destinations with Lufthansa.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/ianers_ianized/LH.jpg

We'll miss Lufthansa so much... tgal na rin nila, sayang... Last 2 standing sila ng KL dito as European carrier... syang, anyway life goes on...

Cebu Pacific orders 4 extra ATR 72-500 aircraft

PARIS, Dec 21 (Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssIndustryMaterialsUtilitiesNews/idUSWEB119320071221)) - Philippines airliner Cebu Pacific has ordered four extra ATR 72-500 aircraft, planemaker ATR said on Friday.

These aircraft are the conversion into firm orders of four of the eight option aircraft included in a previous contract for six firm plus eight option aircraft inked earlier this year, ATR added.

It said the latest deal brings the total number of firm orders of ATR 72-500s to 10.

Cebu Pacific To Fly Three Times Weekly


By David Miho in Koror
Pacific Magazine (http://www.pacificmagazine.net/)
Saturday: December 22, 2007


Philippine Airline Cebu Pacific looks set to begin flights three times a week between Manila and Palau in 2008.

On Thursday Senate President Surangel Whipp confirmed the coming of the airline early next year subject to government approval and about two months of advance marketing. Whipps, Chairman of Surangel and Sons, has among his company subsidiaries Surangel Travel that was the primary sales agent for Asia Spirit Airlines. That airline, which was also from the Philippinnes, withdrew service to Palau in November.

A bi-lateral agreement already exists between the governments of Palau and Philippines and Cebu Pacific already has the approval of the Philippine Civil Aeronautics Board. Known as a low fare carrier, Cebu Pacific is affiliated with Philippine Airlines and has a large domestic route system .

Whipps says the service will operate with Airbus 319 and 320 aircraft and offer the lowest roundtrip fare of $250 for Filipino workers in Palau. Reflecting the positive attitude of Palau's government to the prospective new airline, Presidential Chief of Staff, Billy Kuartei said that President Tommy Remengesau Jr. had instructed his cabinet to provide assistance to Cebu Pacific to facilitate their request.

Palau's airport is just completing a major ugrade funded by the U.S. and is expected to open again for daily flights in January.

---

That's really sad. Adios Lufthansa and Mabuhay!
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/Lufthansa_A340-600_D-AIHF.jpg/800px-Lufthansa_A340-600_D-AIHF.jpg

With LH pulling out of MNL in 2008, the flying public will have to make arrangements with LH's Star Alliance Asian partner carriers from their respective hubs in SIN for SQ, BKK for TG, ICN for OZ, and NRT/KIX for NH.

Jolo Airport..

http://static2.bareka.com/photos/medium/1265021/jolo-field.jpg

maganda ang runway ng Jolo airport..mabuti na man at concrete, despite the fact na town lang sila..

Sir kiretoce, is it really a routine for airlines to change/revamp their timetables every March and October?

Any chance European planes will return?

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Lufthansa advert

KLM's association with Philippine aviation is surprisingly strong. They were (I think) the first European airline to fly to Manila - just after WWII.

In the 60s, Philippine Airlines began introducing its first jet aircraft - the Douglas DC-8s - on long-haul international routes. These first DC-8s were leased from KLM.

It was also KLM who facilitated training for PAL's first jet pilots in flying these planes.

Then in the 70s, KLM also leased PAL its first widebody types - the DC-10-30s.

So, it makes perfect sense for KLM - the world's oldest airline - to have its ties with PAL - Asia's first airline.

There goes another European carrier!

Sad but true. Swissair and Sabena have shut their doors, and Swiss (successor to Swissair), Alitalia, Air France, and British Airways all no longer fly to Manila. And now, Lufthansa is about to follow suit.

That leaves KLM as the lone European carrier flying to the Philippines right?

Unfortunately, yes, that leaves KLM the last - and only - European airline serving Manila.

That means Filipino travelers flying to Europe can take KLM to Amsterdam (which is a non-stop flight from Manila, operated daily), making AMS their gateway point to anywhere in Europe they wish to go.

Personally, I think that's practical enough - as far as air travel between the Philippines and Europe is concerned. But then, everybody has personal choices about what airlines and routes they wish to take...

Sir kiretoce, is it really a routine for airlines to change/revamp their timetables every March and October?

Are you referring to printed timetables (distributed at travel agencies)? If that's the case, that's usually the time of year they update them.

On-line PDF timetables (downloadable from almost every airlines' official websites), on the other hand, are usually updated on a monthly basis.

Are you referring to printed timetables (distributed at travel agencies)? If that's the case, that's usually the time of year they update them.

On-line PDF timetables (downloadable from almost every airlines' official websites), on the other hand, are usually updated on a monthly basis.

Yeah, it's usually on the 29th or 30th of October and March. DST, perhaps?

KLM's association with Philippine aviation is surprisingly strong. They were (I think) the first European airline to fly to Manila - just after WWII.

In the 60s, Philippine Airlines began introducing its first jet aircraft - the Douglas DC-8s - on long-haul international routes. These first DC-8s were leased from KLM.

It was also KLM who facilitated training for PAL's first jet pilots in flying these planes.

Then in the 70s, KLM also leased PAL its first widebody types - the DC-10-30s.

So, it makes perfect sense for KLM - the world's oldest airline - to have its ties with PAL - Asia's first airline...

Speaking of the aircrafts that were concerned A KLM aircraft in Manila in 1960´s
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/ravencute83/KLMservingPALRPLLAugust1968.jpg

PAL DC'8 in Madrid
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/ravencute83/PALDC-8.jpg

PAL´s leased DC'10 in Zurich
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/ravencute83/PALDC-10Zurich.jpg

Anyhow before I sleep I would like to post my latest digs
Kalibo
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/ravencute83/kalibo.jpg

Caticlan
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/ravencute83/caticlan.jpg

Calapan
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/ravencute83/calapanairport.jpg

Butuan
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/ravencute83/butuanairport2.jpg
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/ravencute83/butuanairport.jpg

Basco
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/ravencute83/BascoAirport3.jpg
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/ravencute83/BascoAirport2.jpg

Busuanga Airport
http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee196/ravencute83/busuangaairport.jpg

^^nice pics. Night, Raven :wave:

^^ Bon nuit madamme XP :goodnight

I feel so sad that LH will be folding their wings on Manila after many years of servicing Philippines for so long... Actually it was already circulating on the office about this news. And I had emailed perosnally LH Philippines to confirm and it was confirm by their marketing that their last day of leg is on March 30 2008.

What will happen is that they will become "offline" airline and customers will get in-touch w/ them via other Asian destination they fly like the case of BA via HKG. They reason out that "it is the most rightful of decision of the management of LH as they will have a to focus on other markets"

I'm thinking of low traffic between FRA_MNL is the cause... Anyways here are the excerpt from LH Philippines...

From Jill of Marketing
Lufthansa will, as of this time, discontinue the Frankfurt-Manila service effective summer schedule of 2008 (30 March onwards) however we will still continue to service the Philippine market and now with even more alternatives via our Asian gateways and in collaboration with our partner airlines.

Details regarding flight connections and pricing will be communicated to you the soonest possible time. We will keep you updated via eXperts regarding this. And of course you may still contact Lufthansa as usual, and we assure you of the same level of service that we have extended our travel partners in the past.

Please do not hesitate to contact us in case you have other inquiries. Thanks for your partnership throughout the years and we hope that you continue to support us in the future!


Best regards,
JiLL

*****

Excerpts from management (LH Germany)
The decision was a difficult one but is the most prudent choice as Lufthansa responds to greater demands for air travel in other markets. The move allows Lufthansa to re-allocate its existing resources to cater to these markets.

We are currently making travel arrangements from Manila to neighboring Asian gateways via Lufthansa’s partner airlines so that our customers can travel onwards to their desired destinations with Lufthansa.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/ianers_ianized/LH.jpg

We'll miss Lufthansa so much... tgal na rin nila, sayang... Last 2 standing sila ng KL dito as European carrier... syang, anyway life goes on...

i dont know but its one of those dumb questions. so howbout lufthansa cargo, their cargo would stop as well. i dont know the difference between the cargo and the commercial plane and their lufthansa technique would completely just halt and move out soemwhere, right

I am sad to hear that LH will be stopped on the Philippine operations in 2008 after more than 25 years. I realize that MNL is not a high yield city but I am wondering why they just do not downgauge the daily 346 service instead of just pulling out altogether. LH technik has a base here so it makes it even more puzzling...I wonder if politics played a role in this decision, given the dispute between Fraport and the Arroyo administration.
So sad to hear European carriers are dwindling in MNL. I remember the glory days when BA, AF, SN, SK, SR, AZ and SU all used to fly to MNL. IIRC there was even a daily AF CDG-BKK-MNL flight. Cargowise, I think Cargolux still flies to MNL----anybody knows the schedule? routing?

It seems as though the unstoppable rise of EK, QR, EY and the others of the Middle East may be the real issue. By pooling connections through their respective hubs they are able to offer the destination at lower fares and perhaps greater frequencies than the legacy airlines can. I think that KL will also continue to be strong on the route. To think that they are able to link MNL to 14 UK destinations via AMS and remembering the large Filipino community in the UK, one can see that success can continue to be theirs.

This maybe just an obvious feeling, but I am sure that in the near future, our country might loose Lufthansa Technik to the People's Republic of China. Lufthansa has recently announced routes, or even increased routes to China, Frankfurt-Shenyang-Incheon. It makes sense that they move their Asian operations to China. But let's hope that they do reconsider and that this is only temporary. A lot of our countrymen will loose valuable and irreplaceable jobs if they completely pull out of the RP.

What does this have to do with LH's move out of RP? Well, it's somewhat predictable don't you think? I mean, Boeing has facilities in China, as well as Airbus. They can get those equipment and parts on the spot in China, rather than having to have it shipped from China to the RP. Aside from that, there are large facilties in China, such as TAECO in Xiamen International Airport that provide overhaul maintainance facilities for airlines and even conversion of passenger planes to freight etc. Also,let's hope that the T3 issue in NAIA is resolved sooner than we hope. There is also a good reason for LH to back out of the RP, maybe because of this little trouble with our government in regards to the Fraport and Piatco stuff. LH is backed by the German government. German interests were pumped into that terminal and we completely blew them off. Of course it was bad investment on their bahalf and their government sees that. I believe it has really damaged our country's reputation with not just German and the European nations, but to all who are willing to do business with our country. I can't blame the German's and LH if they didn't want anything to do with us. Plus the recent coup'detat by some disgruntled and envious militarymen, "equals" bad business, scare tourism, etc. No doubt, political reasons are probably just one of the factors that tipped the balance. tsk tsk tsk.... Countries which were a lot poorer and unstable than ours, Cambodia, Laos, Vietnam, Burma etc. seem like they are doing better than us. What's going on??


Lufthansa Expands China Services Introduces Flight Routes To Nanjing And Shenyang in 2008
Flights will further strengthen Lufthansa's strong presence in China

Shanghai, China (December 14, 2007) /China Newswire/ — Lufthansa German Airlines today announced the expansion of flight services to and from China, the world's fastest growing region. The airline will be introducing five* weekly non-stop flights between Nanjing and Frankfurt, effective 31st March 2008 as well as thrice* weekly direct flights between Shenyang and Munich via Seoul, effective 8th June 2008.

Lufthansa is the first and only European airline connecting Europe to these two Chinese cities, which are both important gateways for millions of Chinese passengers across the country. The commencement of these flights will make the cities of Nanjing and Shenyang the newest destinations in Lufthansa's global network, expanding Lufthansa's Asia-Pacific gateways to a total of 23.

"We are very proud to enhance our presence in mainland China by adding both Nanjing and Shenyang as new destinations to our global network. Both cities are important economic and industrial centres, offering Lufthansa the prospect of capturing significant business opportunities. The area has seen a dramatic boost of business and air traffic demand in China in recent years and the new flight offerings will see the economic ties and cultural exchange further strengthen between these two important regions and Europe," said Wolfgang Mayrhuber, Chairman of the Executive Board and CEO of Lufthansa.

"This decision is evidence of our strong presence in the strategic market of China, enhancing Lufthansa’s industry leadership. By continuously adding new destinations and increasing flight capacity, Lufthansa ensures its active engagement in the number one growth market in the world," added Mayrhuber.

Together with SWISS, Lufthansa offers an extended network between China and Europe with a multi-hub concept via Frankfurt and Munich in Germany, as well as Zurich in Switzerland.

* Subject to the government approval

Nanjing, the capital of the Jiangsu province, is located on the Yangtze River along China's eastern coastline and a well-known tourist area in China. A city of historical importance, it is now a political, economic, and cultural centre, and home to the five 'pillar' industries of electronics, automotive, petrochemicals, metal, and power. At one time the largest city in the world, Lufthansa's new service will provide Nanjing's current population of 8.2 million and inhabitants of surrounding cities convenient access to Europe.

Shenyang, the capital of the Liaoning province, has a population in excess of 7 million, making it China's fifth largest city. The economic, cultural, financial and commercial centre of northeast China, Shenyang is focused on heavy industry, with many major industrial companies having their headquarters in the city. Shenyang is also regarded as the transportation and commercial centre of the North East region, making it an ideal destination in Lufthansa’s growing network of Chinese gateways.

The German flag carrier is offering a total of 221 seats in First, Business and Economy Class on the Airbus A340-300 aircraft on both routes. The departure and arrival times of flights have been coordinated so as to give passengers arriving in Germany from China the best possible choice of connecting flights across Europe and beyond.


Lufthansa passengers flying from Shenyang to Munich will arrive at an airport highly regarded for it modern facilities and a minimum connection time of 30 minutes for those travellers with connecting flights. Munich Airport was voted this year as the 'Best Airport in Europe' at the Skytrax World Airport Awards for the third consecutive year. Terminal 2, which was opened in 2003 with a Lufthansa investment of 325 million Euros, is used exclusively by Lufthansa and its Star Alliance partners.

Lufthansa has a long history in China, dating back to 1926, with more than 80 years of experience. As a good corporate citizen with strong ties in China, the German flag carrier employs more than 8,000 people in Lufthansa-related business and over 220 native Chinese flight attendants. Lufthansa has investments in airline-related businesses including air cargo, flight catering, MRO and IT services.

As one of the world's largest airlines, Lufthansa currently flies to more than 188 destinations in 79 countries. Together with its Star Alliance and bilateral partners, Lufthansa serves 416 destinations in 100 countries worldwide, including codeshare flights.

I also find in troubling that LH would all of a sudden drom MNL whereas they have flights out of all countries in South East Asia.Aside from Manila, they also fly to Jakarta, Ho Chi Minh,Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, Bangkok. So ka-level na pala natin ang Cambodia, Myanmar, and Laos kasi wala din Lufthansa dun eh. Nakaka alarma lang. I really doubt it na passenger load lang ang factor ng pag tanggal ng LH ng flights dito sa manila. I'm almost 90% certain that it has something to do with the debacle over NAIA 3. Fraport who operates the Frankfurt airport could be talking to german firms and discouraging them from starting up or maintaining a business here. of course i have no proof pero hindi naman kailangan maging henyo para mapagtagpi tagpi ang mga ito.

All we could depend on now is for Philippine Airlines to re-open their European routes and for Cebu Pacific to start flying to the US.

oh speaking of PAL, they have contract with Lufthansa Technik don't they?? They are the hired contractors for repairing and maintainance? What happens then if Lufthansa completely pulls out of the RP, taking with them Lufthansa Technik? Where will PAL go for maintainance?

it's sad, also i asked and had mentioned the same thing between naia3 and german airlines. well i really dont know but it couldve been that most investors whom lost money of course would be somehow affiliated with lufthansa

while waiting for boarding, just playing with my camcorder (wala akong digital camera) to take some photos of huge aircrafts. . .

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/4792/img0417sp0.jpg

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7908/img0418ju2.jpg

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Legazpi Domestic Airport

Brief PGMA stopover from Masbate... (that's her on the tarmac from the helicopter, in light blue).
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^Albay governor Joey Sarte Salceda leaving the terminal...

....IT IS A 100% THE FAULT OF THE CONSTANT DELAYED OPENING OF THE NAIA3 WHICH IS THE OBVIOUS REASON WE HAVE LOST THE EUROPEAN MARKET.....AND I DON'T BLAME THEM. WHO WOULD WANT TO LAND IN THAT DECREPIT, OVERUSED, DEPRESSING NAIA1 WHEN YOU CAN LAND IN THE SPARKLING NEW AIRPORTS THROUGHOUT S.E. ASIA...EUROPE FOUND THAT OUT AND JUMEPED SHIP QUICK! AS MUCH AS I LIKE GMA AND HER ECONOMIC POLICIES WHICH HAVE GIVEN US A 7% GROWTH RATE, THIS IS WHERE I FAULT HER AND WE CAN LOSE EVERYTHING SHE HAS DONE IF SHE WANTS TO MOVE FORWARD.....IN 2008, THIS MUST BE THE PRIORITY AMONG ALL....THE FIRST NEW YEARS RESOLUTION.......OPEN NAIA3!!!!....ASAP:gaah:

Yes, that's another reason too. I mean, yeah we have that problem with Terminal 3 in NAIA, but also, our airports cannot rival those countries who have invested on larger and modern airports. Look at Thailand's Bangkok Suvarnabhumi Airport, at one point, we were more advanced than Thailand. Thailand was our arch-rival in terms of economic advancements, tourism, and other things in Southeast Asia. They practically learned, literally, "copied and pasted" from us. But now we have fallen behind imerging Vietnam, Thailand has political issues similar to ours, but they have succeeded in building a very nice and modern airport that has yet to be realized in our own country. We really must push on with the former Clark airfield to regain the prestige of our country, hope that the project and those who are involved in building that airport will not cheat their fellow countrymen (corruption). I really hope that when the contract is made, our government does not foul up again. This thing with Fraport has left a scar on our country. Airports bring in national pride, but it will also increase businesses, foreigners/tourism and foreign airlines! We saw the airbus A380 in our country, it's wonderful isn't it? Perhaps one day we'll see it in PAL or Cebu Pacific colors. Those type of things are the things that we should look forward and aspire to. It's such a real shame, we've always maintained good relations with the Germans and they have always been keen on investing in the RP, really sad that LH pulls out. When I visited Cebu and Bohol, I found that there are many Europeans who flock to our wonderful country. Many of the people whom I encountered were awed when they saw Chocolate Hills and Loboc River, many of those people were Germans on holidays. In fact, when I stayed at the Bohol Beach Club, almost all of those who were checked in were Germans and other Europeans who were enjoying our wonderful islands. No doubt, with the pull out of LH from the RP, we've lost a lot of those German and European tourists that come to our country annually.

is the no. of ofws in europe a deciding factor for lufthansa's removal of RP trips? 'cause i think there's a reasonable amount of filipinos out there for a carrier to have europe-mnl
flights.. just an opinion...:)

All we could depend on now is for Philippine Airlines to re-open their European routes and for Cebu Pacific to start flying to the US.

malabo pang mangyari na bumalik sa Europe ang PAL. Not in the next 5 years pa siguro. stiff competition with the middle eastern carriers. PAL needs to improve their services first before competing with the likes of Emirates and Etihad for European bound passengers.

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Imbestigador's docu about the worsening situation of NAIA

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Imbestigador's docu about the worsening situation of NAIA

fixed. LMAO no wonder no one wants to fly to Manila.. Runways pa lang unsafe na! They violate their own procedures. Galing ng show na yan. Very dramatic.

^kakatawa talga imbestigador, lalo na yung erport sa mga lalawigan

oh speaking of PAL, they have contract with Lufthansa Technik don't they?? They are the hired contractors for repairing and maintainance? What happens then if Lufthansa completely pulls out of the RP, taking with them Lufthansa Technik? Where will PAL go for maintainance?

Lufthansa Technik is a separate company and will not be affected

Jolo Airport..

http://static2.bareka.com/photos/medium/1265021/jolo-field.jpg

maganda ang runway ng Jolo airport..mabuti na man at concrete, despite the fact na town lang sila..

I would like to call your attention that the Jolo airport runway is of asphalt,you can verify this at the website of the Sulu LGU,fyi my friend

nanghina ako dahil sa video. :lol:

A Glimpse of New Iloilo Airport Pre-Departure Area by Boymejo
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BETTER SLOGAN?

PHILIPPINE AIRLINES, IT'S ABOUT EXPERIENCE




CEBU PACIFIC, IT'S TIME EVERYONE FLIES

sad to admit but we really are connoisseurs of failure or even fiasco at that. we're lagging from our neighbors in asia and we're losing our charms. if PAL is aspiring to go or would like to go back to europe then it should better it's services to compete w/ it's rivals from the mid-east. when it comes to our airports and it's facilities, make t3 a reality. i mean, open it ASAP. it's a pity just seeing that huge structure lifeless. so far we haven't proven to the world what we're really made of. i think this is the perfect moment to show them what we've got. that we're not just a bunch of failures being governed by a midget.

^^ wow governed by a midget lol!

^^that was funny. a midget for me is ok. but damn, she must do everything in her power to finish that structure and open it immediately.

totoo naman. :D

Lufthansa Technik is a separate company and will not be affected

that's good! thanks for clearing it up! atleast technik won't pack up too. have lots of friends who work for them.

^^ half of LTP is owned by Lucio Tan's Macro Asia Corp...which in turn is rumored to be transferred to the shares of PAL Holdings which itself is rebranded Baguio Gold Holdings of LT.(magulo,but that's a business tactic)... LTP is Macro Asia's largest revenue generator so LTP is safely cemented here in PI

so we have to thank that Lucio kid then. :)

^^ haha funny you call a 76 year old sagging bag of bones a kid :lol:

i've never ridden PAL or 5J. (i've only tried SQ)
so i'll take OR. :lol:

seriously, i think i still prefer PAL.

we have to keep them young though everything about them is turning brittle. :lol:
OT: he's ranked what among the richest in the PI btw?

wow... ang galing yung reporter sa video clip. well i guess he sums all the problems with our airports. sayang talaga yung fraport... germany really wanted to invest in our country but we screwed up big time. we were moving on the right way to privatization of our airports. we could've seen german engineering at it's best in our country. ang gaganda ng mga airports sa germany. frankfurt main/rhein, munich franz josef strauss, cologne, and dusseldorf are just some of the best airports . hope the government quickly acts on these important and safety issues in regards to our airports before more airlines start flying away for good.

^^German engineering at its best? Does this include falling ceilings?

wow... ang galing yung reporter sa video clip. well i guess he sums all the problems with our airports. sayang talaga yung fraport... germany really wanted to invest in our country but we screwed up big time. we were moving on the right way to privatization of our airports. we could've seen german engineering at it's best in our country. ang gaganda ng mga airports sa germany. frankfurt main/rhein. hope the government quickly acts on these important and safety issues in regards to our airports before more airlines start flying away for good, or possibly even blacklisted by EU and FAA and such...

a funny thought crossed my mind from what you've said. what if every airline have opted to not fly in manila or elsewhere in the PI including PAL and the only airlines left to serve the country would be SEA Air, Asian Spirit and the likes. wow, that would be the perfect definition of flying in class. :hilarious:

^^German engineering at its best? Does this include falling ceilings?

haha... your right!! i forgot about those falling ceilings. maybe those are the probes and anomalous things that the government was pointing out??

we could've seen german engineering at it's best in our country.

All Fraport had to do was to manage the airport, the construction and engineering works were up to Takenaka Corporation. That doesn't mean Takenaka itself is unreliable though, that's what happens when you get corrupt people as managers.

a funny thought crossed my mind from what you've said. what if every airline have opted to not fly in manila or elsewhere in the PI including PAL and the only airlines left to serve the country would be SEA Air, Asian Spirit and the likes. wow, that would be the perfect definition of flying in class. :hilarious:

kung ganun... di ang sobrang galing naman na natin?? we've eliminated all foreign competitors in our country??

well... all we can do is look for a brighter future. hope that when the "gateway to the philippines" is built in clark, that no one will try to pull some houdini tricks and the airport isn't falling apart right away. but i guess it's expected naman diba? when we see the structural flaws. like bangkok's suvarnabhumi, anyone notice the parallel problems with that and our T3?? they had corruption issues as well, the runway was faulty etc, and was said that the airport was structurally flawed etc. they ended up fixing it. yet they still out did us. kakainis lang talaga.... kasi ang yayabang ng mga thai colleagues ko when everytime i fly in to bangkok and they boast about it. wehh.... ingit lang kayo sa pinas. haha

kung ganun... di ang sobrang galing naman na natin?? we've eliminated all foreign competitors in our country??

what's so good with that? what i mean was flying w/ this kind of oldschool planes
SEA Air
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ae/Seair_let-410_UVP.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d2/Seair_dornier_do-328.jpg

Asian Spirit
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dd/Asianspirit.jpg

what's so good with that? what i mean was flying w/ this kind of oldschool planes
SEA Air
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/ae/Seair_let-410_UVP.jpg

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d2/Seair_dornier_do-328.jpg

Asian Spirit
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dd/Asianspirit.jpg

ohh.. haha. gotcha! i guess first and business class is out of the question on these planes?? bring your own inflight meal and entertainment?

^^ Heck at least the second one Seair's Do328 is newer and much stable (even according to some pilots)..hell that Let 410 on the top gave me a terrible experience :lol:...but it was still fun riding it....

and the third plane err I wouldnt risk my life taking riding one.....it's a thirty year old YS-11!!!!!

^^ bring your own survival kit and life vest. by the looks of those planes, they'll splinter in to rubble anytime. :lol:

Seats... errr... the seats on PAL is so old and dirty, on their longhaul aircrafts. The seats need to be able to function as they were designed for. Some cannot even recline an inch, and what good is that when your flying on a very long international flight MNL-LAX. Masakit sa katawan yun syempre. It's not just isolated on Y class, but also seats in Business and First class, where many of the seats aren't able to function properly. Also, these new A320s that PAL is ordering, why are the IFE restricted to Business class or First classes only?? They should provide it for everyone-better service. I mean, it's not like PAL is a low cost carrier?? Even then, the low cost carriers of other nations, like Jetblue provide better IFE. PAL also needs better customer service on the ground. Err... ang tatapang ng mga itura, but I noticed that many of their domestic cabin crew are okay. Very nice and friendly. But they should try and model after KE, SQ, OZ, or CX crew. Kunte na lang siguro ang mga improvements and PAL should be a pleasant airline to fly with.

'^^ have to agree with that ,my dad's Mabuhay Class Seat had a malfunctioning IFE...buti na lang he was sitting beside my mom na natutulog lang so they just exchanged seats..pero mura pa rin! at 106K round trip!....and we got 10% discount when we purchased three tickets back in October...

ladies and gentlemen, we'd like to welcome you onboard, we have no stewards/stewardesses to attend to your needs, our copilot will act as proxy or we welcome any passenger who is willing to volunteer..... haha. scary. you'd think we were in indonesia.

'^^ well at least their LCC and domestic carriers still serves real food and not junk foods on flights.....

Post away folks! :colgate:

New thread! (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?p=17288459#post17288459) :colgate:



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Thread XII

Ok let's start with this, we are expecting PAL's latest longhaul aircrafts, the Boeing 777's that they ordered. Not anytime too soon, but does anyone know, or have any idea, or can imagine what the configurations and the interiors of those aircrafts will look like?? What kind of services will be provided by PAL onboard??
I don't believe the last post about these seats and styles were ever officially confirmed. We just speculated last time and even misinformed. While they're at it, PAL can do a new uniform change. Nothing wrong with the current uniforms, but could be better I think.

Got this off the internet too... about PAL's modernization of their cabins. Has anyone seen these changes made yet? Exempt the new A320s that were already delivered with those new configurations and IFEs etc.

Cabin Modernization Plan
In the second half of 2006, PAL announced a cabin reconfiguration project for its long-haul aircraft. The airline spent $50 million to remove the first-class section and increase the size of its business featuring cocoon-type lie-flat seats and economy cabins. Also, personal screens with AVOD will be made available comprehensively across both cabin classes. The cabin reconfiguration project is scheduled to begin in the latter part of 2008. The new cabin configuration with the enhanced Mabuhay and Fiesta classes is also expected on the Boeing 777-300ER aircraft on order.

Personally, for the Y section, it would be nice if it were like those of Virgin Atlantic's.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Namakaeha210/1040742.jpg

This is the Premium economy of Virgin Atlantic.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Namakaeha210/0998035.jpg

Or Lufthansa's new cabin configuration and onboard services.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Namakaeha210/1255632.jpg

I don't know about Business class or even First class, as I heard they will, or might get rid of First class and just leave business class?

ganyan sana ung PAL, para maging 5 star airline na sila... tsktsk

Ok let's start with this, we are expecting PAL's latest longhaul aircrafts, the Boeing 777's that they ordered. Not anytime too soon, but does anyone know, or have any idea, or can imagine what the configurations and the interiors of those aircraft will look like?? What kind of services will be provided??
I don't believe the last post about these seats and styles were ever officially confirmed. We just speculated last time and even misinformed. While they're at it, PAL can do a new uniform change. Nothing wrong with the current uniforms, but could be better I think.

Got this off the internet too... about PAL's modernization of their cabins. Has anyone seen these changes made yet? Exempt the new A320s that were already delivered with those new configurations and IFEs etc.

Cabin Modernization Plan
In the second half of 2006, PAL announced a cabin reconfiguration project for its long-haul aircraft. The airline spent $50 million to remove the first-class section and increase the size of its business featuring cocoon-type lie-flat seats and economy cabins. Also, personal screens with AVOD will be made available comprehensively across both cabin classes. The cabin reconfiguration project is scheduled to begin in the latter part of 2008. The new cabin configuration with the enhanced Mabuhay and Fiesta classes is also expected on the Boeing 777-300ER aircraft on order.

Personally, for the Y section, it would be nice if it were like those of Virgin Atlantic's.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Namakaeha210/1040742.jpg

This is the Premium economy of Virgin Atlantic.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Namakaeha210/0998035.jpg

Or Lufthansa's new cabin configuration and onboard services.

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Namakaeha210/1255632.jpg

I don't know about Business class or even First class, as I heard they will, or might get rid of First class and just leave business class?

well if PAL will make the needed effort, then i guess it wouldn't be impossible for their carriers to look as handsome as those. how many 777 did they order btw. & A320 as well?

PAL has ordered four Boeing 777-300ER (Extended Range) on firm order and two on lease - by exercising its purchase rights on two option airplanes that were part of the original order last year. I think the two on lease are from the GE group.


They have ordered 20 brand-new Airbus A320-family jets, and several of those are already on service.

so we must at least give credit to PAL cause they're trying to upgrade their fleet, though they move like sloths. :D

Seats... errr... the seats on PAL is so old and dirty, on their longhaul aircrafts. The seats need to be able to function as they were designed for. Some cannot even recline an inch, and what good is that when your flying on a very long international flight MNL-LAX. Masakit sa katawan yun syempre. It's not just isolated on Y class, but also seats in Business and First class, where many of the seats aren't able to function properly. Also, these new A320s that PAL is ordering, why are the IFE restricted to Business class or First classes only?? They should provide it for everyone-better service. I mean, it's not like PAL is a low cost carrier?? Even then, the low cost carriers of other nations, like Jetblue provide better IFE. PAL also needs better customer service on the ground. Err... ang tatapang ng mga itura, but I noticed that many of their domestic cabin crew are okay. Very nice and friendly. But they should try and model after KE, SQ, OZ, or CX crew. Kunte na lang siguro ang mga improvements and PAL should be a pleasant airline to fly with.

That's the B747. Really showing its age. On domestic flights that used the 747, they don't even show any video clips anymore, unlike the newer airbus planes of PAL.

On another note, PAL has to improve their reaction time. Their online system through their website is really left behind by Cebu Pac's website. Airphil is even worse. PAL makes it up through their ground crew, including ticketing. Have experienced that when I wasn't able to catch my flight in NAIA2 last late October with Airphil. Their ground staff at the airport is really terrible, totally not accomodating. Ticketing was also bad. Cebu Pacific as stated somewhere here is also not the airline to be in when there is a problem with the flight. Ended up taking PAL on Business class coz that's what was available na lang, as Airphil wanted me to pay penalty, and still go on chance, but the rate will be only 300 pesos cheaper than a confirmed business class ticket on PAL. Idiots. PAL, on the other hand, the ground personnel, ticketing people, will find a way, within their human limitations, but they do go out of their way. Sayang lang, they have people who will find a way to provide service, but the company must do something to address the problems that their employees are being forced to address temporarily. for example, am bringing my family to manila, since I have expiring miles, I decided to get a service upgrade to mabuhay. Ang galing (with 100% sarcasm). 4 kami approved, yung two youngest kids ko, pending pa. Hello!!! Ano gusto ng PAL, economy yung mga bata, while the others nasa business class? No choice, my trip to Manila is tomorrow, though yung upgrade is still for the return flight. The SM ticketing personnel will just follow it up on the 26th and call or text me. That's what I call service. BOO to PAL's system. Hooray for their personnel.

pag bigyan na ang PAL, kaka exit lang ng rehabilitation. hehehe :lol::lol:

pero sana maayos na nila ang service at fleet nila.

kakatawa talga imbestigador, lalo na yung erport sa mga lalawigan

Eto ata yun. :ohno::ohno::lol::lol:

0KuP4M5lhHo

ganyan sana ung PAL, para maging 5 star airline na sila... tsktsk

5 star? No offense pero masaya na ako kung mag-level up to 4 stars ang PR.:)

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BTW, is an A340-313X capable of flying Manila to London? How about B777-300 (not ER)?:)

Eto ata yun. :ohno::ohno::lol::lol:

0KuP4M5lhHo

OMG. we have that same scenario w/ the vigan airport.

Good luck sa imo bai. Rates from MNL to any point in the Visayas has a whopping price of P3k-P5k per pax already for the rest of X'mas all the way to New Year!!! Just reserved for my ILO-MNL flight, both 5J and PR have P1700 for Fri night, but the return flight....nevermind na lang. I'll just take the RoRo bus service or ferry.

I would suggest to visit a tour agency, in sm bacolod this pm a friend was able to get a MNL-BCD ticket on Airphil for 1700 also on the 28Dec pm flt,hurry few seats left!Merry Christmas,bon voyage!

5 star? No offense pero masaya na ako kung mag-level up to 4 stars ang PR.:)

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BTW, is an A340-313X capable of flying Manila to London? How about B777-300 (not ER)?:)

Yeah up to now theyre still 3 star:ohno:

Yes it can if using the Siberian route...PAL used to have this routes in the Mid 90's and I was lucky enough to be in one of it as a kid. As far as I remember we had a lot of Australian co passenger back then who's coming from Sydney...

Eto ata yun. :ohno::ohno::lol::lol:

0KuP4M5lhHo

mas maganda pang lumanding sa ulo ng airport manager makintab este smooth pala:lol:

During this peak season, I strongly suggest you get to the Naia2 airport around 2 hours before departure time for your friend's airphil flight. That's what happened to me when I was bumped off my airphil flight. It was the weekend before the elections, and I got to the airport around 1 hour before the scheduled departure. The queue was long. When the time reached less than 45 minutes before the departure time, this airphil personnel started to interview each and every person that was still on the line. To inform them that the 45 minutes is upon check in, not when you are at the line for check in. They will get your ticket, then write on your ticket the time your ticket was inspected, to officially mark you that you did not meet the 45 minute cutoff. They were a bunch of idiots. Even the group at the check in counter was told they couldn't be checked in because the computer was down, then after a long wait, was told the flight was full. Normally, when you did not meet the 45 minute cutoff, they will start to give it to chance passengers. No "chance" in hell. Because even the holder of chance #1 was complaining that he wasn't even able to get on board. Who was airphil fooling? They admitted they were overbooked, and CAB allows them to overbook by 10%. It so happened that everybody showed up. We were around 15 that got bumped off. All of us had tickets written LATE. So none of us were compensated for being bumped off, we had to have our tickets rebooked, with a rebooking fee, and to take chance ticket on the next flight, airphil was charging FULL fare, which means that promo fare of yours is a bunch of crap in this case.

So word of advise, go to the airport early, when taking airphil. I heard the same story with Cebu Pacific. With PAL, they normally announce to those in line when they were implementing the cutoff. At least with PAL, they have the decency to acknowlege those already in line.

hinde na lang relocate ang airport kaya sa ibang lugar na hinde congested? mga pasaway! at yan yata yung PAL na naovershot yung runway. na written off ba yung aircraft or na salvaged din ng PAL?akk.. short ang runway?? ano ba ang iniisip ng mga aviation safety department ng bansa natin... o yung department of transportation... gobyerno?? wag naman style ng indonesia sana ang gayahin.

Demand Booming for Korean Flight Attendants (http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200712/200712240021.html)

Foreign airlines will employ a record high number of Korean flight attendants next year. According to industry sources, each of the foreign airlines that employ Korean flight attendants plans to hire an additional 20 to 50 new ones next year, bringing the total to 700.

These carriers, which include Emirates, Qatar Airways, China Eastern Airlines, Singapore Airlines and Hong Kong Airlines, employed 450 Korean flight attendants last year.

The growing popularity of Korean flight attendants is attributable to the high vocational qualifications of Korean applicants and the need to secure skilled attendants amid a surge in demand for air travel.

Emirates is the largest employer of Korean flight attendants. It hired 100 Korean flight attendants this year and will employ 150 next year.

Qatar Airways will increase its number of Korean flight attendants from 80 this year to 100 next year. Singapore Airlines and Hong Kong Airlines will each hire 50 Korean flight attendants next year, up from 30 this year.

China Eastern Airlines will increase its number from 150 this year to 180 next year. Finnair, Gulf Air, Philippine Airlines and Vietnam Airlines have increased their Korean flight attendant crews by around 10 to 20 this year and plan to hire more next year.

Chinese airlines, Cathay Pacific Airways and Dragon Air will also hire more Korean flight attendants next year in preparation for the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games.

National flag carriers Korean Air and Asiana Airlines will also employ 1,300 new flight attendants in 2008, a record high. That means demand for Korean flight attendants will top 2,000 next year alone.

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:sly: Didn't know that PR employs foreigners. That's news to me!

^^why Korean?

Philippine Airlines to Launch Chongqing-Chengdu-Manila Flights (http://travelchinaguide.com/news/show.asp?nid=877)

On December 19th, Philippine Airlines officially announced to commence a new flight service to link Chongqing with Manila via Chengdu from March 18th 2008. It is said that the A 320 airliners will be used and two round trips will be operated each week.

Currently, the Sino-Philippine direct flight services operated by China Southern Airlines, Philippine Airlines and Cebu Pacific Airlines are between the Philippines and the coastal areas of Southeast China. Therefore, the Chongqing-Chengdu-Manila flights will be the first direct flight service to link the Philippines with western China, which is sure to promote the tourist exchanges on both sides.

why Korean?

To cater to their nationals taking PR to the Philippines from Korea I guess. It's not really that unusual, NW employs Japanese FAs for their intra-Asia flights from their Asian homebase hub at NRT.

Cebu Pacific wants to fly to Palau (http://www.mvariety.com/?module=displaystory&story_id=4398&format=html)

A Philippine airline is interested in flying one of its international routes to Palau.

Commerce and Trade Minister Otoichi Besebes said that an official from Cebu Pacific made inquiries about operating a three times weekly service to Palau next year.

Besebes said in the letter of Inez Jose, Cebu Pacific Director for External Affairs it stated that the Philippine Civil Aeronautics Board has already granted Cebu Pacific the approval to operate in Palau.

Cebu Pacific has several international routes and is known to have low fares.

Besebes said the airline is asking for assistance regarding land authorization and Presidential Chief of Staff Billy Kuartei said Besebes has been given instruction to look into the request.

Kuartei said that on January 2008, the Palau International Airport runway will open for daily flights.

He said there is an existing air service agreement between Palau and the Philippines.

In November Asian Spirit pulled out is services from Palau saying that it has been losing money and needed their aircraft to fly other profitable routes.

maganda ang training ng mga korean flight attendants. i see it everytime i fly with korean air or asiana. very polite, caring, pretty, professional, and always friendly.

MALIGAYANG PASKO SA INYONG LAHAT!

Cebu Pacific wants to fly to Palau (http://www.mvariety.com/?module=displaystory&story_id=4398&format=html)

A Philippine airline is interested in flying one of its international routes to Palau.

Commerce and Trade Minister Otoichi Besebes said that an official from Cebu Pacific made inquiries about operating a three times weekly service to Palau next year.

Besebes said in the letter of Inez Jose, Cebu Pacific Director for External Affairs it stated that the Philippine Civil Aeronautics Board has already granted Cebu Pacific the approval to operate in Palau.

Cebu Pacific has several international routes and is known to have low fares.

Besebes said the airline is asking for assistance regarding land authorization and Presidential Chief of Staff Billy Kuartei said Besebes has been given instruction to look into the request.

Kuartei said that on January 2008, the Palau International Airport runway will open for daily flights.

He said there is an existing air service agreement between Palau and the Philippines.

In November Asian Spirit pulled out is services from Palau saying that it has been losing money and needed their aircraft to fly other profitable routes.

maraming bang pinoy sa palau?

^^ Hordes of them!

maganda ang training ng mga korean flight attendants. i see it everytime i fly with korean air or asiana. very polite, caring, pretty, professional, and always friendly.

It may also be due to alot Korean air travelers and tourists. It seems that the are alot of well to do Korean now than it used to be. It's like the Japanese who loves to travel overseas as a tourists because their people are enjoying what their economies are giving them, i mean both the Koreans and Japanese alike...

i like bipimbap

^^ it's actually bibimbap. it literally means mixed meal. i kinda like it as well.

^^ Hordes of them!
whoa! i didn't know that small island country lures a mob of pinoys.

napansin ko lang sa mga malalaking commercial airplanes ngayon hindi na sya masyadong maingay. lagi ko kasing nakikitang dumadaan ang mga commercial airplanes malapit sa amin. pero kapag yung mga helicopter na ng mga military ang dumaan nakakabingi yung ingay kahit malayo pa sya. di kaya sa kalumaan na parang maluwag na mga turnilyo nila kaya nagkakagang-kagang na.

5 star? No offense pero masaya na ako kung mag-level up to 4 stars ang PR.:)

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BTW, is an A340-313X capable of flying Manila to London? How about B777-300 (not ER)?:)


To answer your Question, an A340-3XX is capable of flying from Manila to London Non-Stop as what yhey did on SIngapore-London record breaking Non-Stop flight. As for B777-LR it can handle the same length of FLight
since its 2 engines are the strongest capable at present excluding the New A380.. Right? Guys??....:banana:

well.... non stop flights will depend on a number of factors, like the number of passengers and cargo load and how much the planes can carry fuel which is dependent on the two .... wind conditions could also be a factor on how fast the plane can fly....

tanong ko lang is pal going to equip their new and existing fleets with personal videos and entertainment in economy class or sa business or first class lang........... it wil be a big let down thou if they dont equip the economy class section on their future b-777-er fleets wiith personal entertainment ....jst asking

well.... non stop flights will depend on a number of factors, like the number of passengers and cargo load and how much the planes can carry fuel which is dependent on the two .... wind conditions could also be a factor on how fast the plane can fly....

When Plane Engineers design a plane, its engine, wings, fuselage etc., whether it is full or half full, its ability & capacity are the same at
maximum level since its engine design are tasked to do that specific
lenght of flight time and range....:banana:

Palau is like Guam... many noypis working there.

And Mwg12a, your also right. There are many Koreans who trek out of their home country to see the world. Rather envious. hehe. I had the chance to stay at the Shangrila in Mactan, and most of the staffs there were also Korean/English speaking, many were even Korean nationals who had contract when I asked if they enjoyed the Philippines. They were very friendly and most enthusiastic about our country. I was absolutely amazed as I haven't been able to go home to the RP in more than 13+ years. Even the businesses that line up on the streets of Lapu-Lapu City, they were lined up with booming Korean businesses. I saw so many Korean tourists who were on holidays in our country, enjoy playing golf etc. I was in ferry boat to Tagbilaran City in Bohol, and many of the passengers were Koreans, and on arrival to Mactan Int. Airport, the international section was occupied by two chartered KE aircrafts and one Asiana. I even payed homage to the Cathedral where the Santo Nino of Prague is housed, and Koreans were also doing their pilgrimage there, bowing and such where the statues of saints were housed. It was amazing to me. Forgive me, tagal ko kasing nawala at na bulok over seas, kaya gaping in awe where ever I went when I got back to the RP. haha. I really missed home. Aside from that, there were the wandering and dwindling numbers European tourists, but maybe our government could do something about these Koreans who are bringing in tourism and business in our country, by getting more Filipinos who can speak the language? Just like we have a number of qualified people who are abled and capable of speaking fluent Japanese. Koreans, Japenese, and the Chinese are the ones who are pumping investments and money in to our country. Dapat alisto ang gobyerno!

tanong ko lang is pal going to equip their new and existing fleets with personal videos and entertainment in economy class or sa business or first class lang........... it wil be a big let down thou if they dont equip the economy class section on their future b-777-er fleets wiith personal entertainment ....jst asking

pray to god they do! kawawa naman na tayo, mga di maka afford to fly in style! ang mahal ng pamasahe din ng PAL kung minsan, at economy pa yun, specially if your coming in from LAX to MNL. lalo na if it was a 16+ hour flight, LAX-MNL. i am hoping that these IFE's would have excellent features like those of SQ's or CX.

pray to god they do! kawawa naman na tayo, mga di maka afford to fly in style! ang mahal ng pamasahe din ng PAL kung minsan, at economy pa yun, specially if your coming in from LAX to MNL. lalo na if it was a 16+ hour flight, LAX-MNL. i am hoping that these IFE's would have excellent features like those of SQ's or CX.

they are going to put AVOD capable IFE systems for both the business and economy classes of their long haul aircrafts. They are gonna be removing their first classs so pal is from then on going to be a bi class airline. The new seats w/ the IFE will be installed on all their ordered and leased B777s and their B744s will undergo a refit. No definite news though if their 4 A343s will undergo the same refitting of seats as their B744s. I believe the start of the refitting will commence before the end of 2008 or early 2009 if im not mistaken.

pray to god they do! kawawa naman na tayo, mga di maka afford to fly in style! ang mahal ng pamasahe din ng PAL kung minsan, at economy pa yun, specially if your coming in from LAX to MNL. lalo na if it was a 16+ hour flight, LAX-MNL. i am hoping that these IFE's would have excellent features like those of SQ's or CX.

:ohno:Yah PAL's tranpac flights are quite expensive a return ticket to LA/SFO is now at 75k,though their B class is lot cheaper(105k) than most carriers even a full half of that being charged by CX and Northwest(I would understand CX but with NW?:puke:). For Asian destinations theirs is already the cheapest in comparison to their competitors and that speaks vs SQ/CX/TG&KAL on their respective routes to Manila on their homebases. Even on Hong Kong sector PAL fares is now a lot lower than CebPac...this makes me wonder why considering CebPac is supposed to be an LCC:ohno:

This actually gives me a hint that PAL maybe milking their highly profitable transpac routes to compensate for their thinly profitable routes. I also think we cannot possibly push to much PAL to be a highly luxurious as that of CX/SG as it is molding itself to be a lean legacy carrier like that of Aer Lingus as competition from LCC's pushes them to reduce cost.

they are going to put AVOD capable IFE systems for both the business and economy classes of their long haul aircrafts. They are gonna be removing their first classs so pal is from then on going to be a bi class airline. The new seats w/ the IFE will be installed on all their ordered and leased B777s and their B744s will undergo a refit. No definite news though if their 4 A343s will undergo the same refitting of seats as their B744s. I believe the start of the refitting will commence before the end of 2008 or early 2009 if im not mistaken.

thanks for the information! that's comforting and something to look forward to in the future. i am sure PAL will not disappoint. pati yung 744's ba nila, first class will be removed? makes you wonder what they will do in the upper decks if they decide to eliminate first class on their 744's.

has PAL ever considered direct flights to the visayas from SF or LAX?? LAX to Mactan or SF to Mactan? why not? i think it will do alright. it can be twice a week flight atleast, and who knows, many filipino's/balikbayans are flocking to the visayas for their holidays/vacations these days bypassing manila at times. its a great choice for those folks from the southern and central philippines to fly directly rather than take a PAL flight and have to stop over in Manila for a connecting flight, or other asian carriers such as CX, SQ, OZ, KE, which have stop overs in their respective home bases, change of planes etc. before proceeding to mactan. it may even attract more tourism from the US. mactan is an excellent starting point for those who want to island hop in the visayas or in the philippines. there is no doubt in my mind, it will increase travel, and tourism. mg kkatabe na ang mga islas sa cebu, they can just get out of the airport and hop in to a ferry or local flight to a neighboring island such as bohol. people, particularly tourist can be inconvenienced sometimes if they have to fly in to hectic manila. i mean let's face it, most of the tourism and what foreigners are attracted to are in the visayas. those are the ideal getaways, white beaches-boracay, palawan(PAL's website in korean is currently advertising Amanpulo), etc, that are portrayed by the department of tourism when they represent our country.

i've also been wondering about PAL's future choice of aircrafts. i am hoping that they will go with the 787 and the 748i in addition to the existing 777 that they have ordered. hope they continue to order more 777s sana. makes sense diba? the 748i, the 787 will be similar, as well as the 777 -speaking of, flight deck instruments, computers to help navigate and pilot the plane. their pilots can cross train over between these planes, as in the future, there will be little differences or many similarities in terms of new updated technologies or equipments to commandeer, between these aircrafts. i'd like to see an all boeing longhaul and medium range fleet, with exception of the airbuses 320's that they have ordered for interisland and intra-asia use. eventually they will phase out the existing longhaul fleet, not anytime soon, but just wonder wishing. i mean those longhaul planes are getting old. i haven't forgotten about the a380. i think a couple of these on the most profitable PAL routes can do well if they decide to get them, maybe even become popular in the routes, such as LAX-MNL, Las Vegas-Vancouver-MNL, SF-MNL, etc. mainly places where PAL has traditionally had a number of high yielding passengers. i'd like to see them return to NY, Chicago, and why not add IAD (Washington D.C.)?? madami na din pinoy population sa Virginia/Maryland. but i am somewhat skeptical about the services that PAL will offer onboard if they do decide to get the a380s. err... hope they don't go on an all discount charge, and leave us with bulky seats and such, if they get the a380. but then again, if they do get the a380 it would certainly put PAL closer to it's former reputation as a leading airline in asia. and but of course, i haven't forgotten about the a350 also. PAL can also go on a "mostly" airbus fleet. i'm not so sure about the capabilities of the a350 yet, and if it will be a right candidate for PAL in the future, as airbus is still developing it, with specific requested changes by the airlines who have opted to order these planes. same goes with the a380, some airlines who are opting to buy the plane want to stretch it, a380-900, like EK. still i'd like to see an all boeing longhaul fleet for PAL, commonality between the planes, will be easy for PAL's pilots to crossover, making PAL a bit more flexible. just a random insight, thoughts, hoping, and wonder-wishing in regards to PAL. happy holidays! cheers!

During this peak season, I strongly suggest you get to the Naia2 airport around 2 hours before departure time for your friend's airphil flight. That's what happened to me when I was bumped off my airphil flight. It was the weekend before the elections, and I got to the airport around 1 hour before the scheduled departure. The queue was long. When the time reached less than 45 minutes before the departure time, this airphil personnel started to interview each and every person that was still on the line. To inform them that the 45 minutes is upon check in, not when you are at the line for check in. They will get your ticket, then write on your ticket the time your ticket was inspected, to officially mark you that you did not meet the 45 minute cutoff. They were a bunch of idiots. Even the group at the check in counter was told they couldn't be checked in because the computer was down, then after a long wait, was told the flight was full. Normally, when you did not meet the 45 minute cutoff, they will start to give it to chance passengers. No "chance" in hell. Because even the holder of chance #1 was complaining that he wasn't even able to get on board. Who was airphil fooling? They admitted they were overbooked, and CAB allows them to overbook by 10%. It so happened that everybody showed up. We were around 15 that got bumped off. All of us had tickets written LATE. So none of us were compensated for being bumped off, we had to have our tickets rebooked, with a rebooking fee, and to take chance ticket on the next flight, airphil was charging FULL fare, which means that promo fare of yours is a bunch of crap in this case.

So word of advise, go to the airport early, when taking airphil. I heard the same story with Cebu Pacific. With PAL, they normally announce to those in line when they were implementing the cutoff. At least with PAL, they have the decency to acknowlege those already in line.

that's awfull !

at the very least they should've just rebooked you at no extra cost and at xero add on fare

Airbus tech crew can do a crossover during "difference class" (usually take 8 days only in TLS) from A320 to A330/A340/A380. i'm not sure about Boeing but currently you need different rating just to fly both 733 and 734/738/739NG. i dont know if boeing has the plan to follow airbus footsteps by maximizing similarities in their cockpit instruments so that "Cross Crew Qualifications" CCQ can be done in boeing aircraft. In this case airbus lead the way. For me i'd rather have PAL go for airbus fleet so that they can maximize their flight crew. No news so far from boeing. But if PAL wants assurance, they can go airbus...

Different country different rules. You can't fly 2 different planes on the same day. Rostering would be like 3 months on A320 and another 3 months on A330.

Airbus tech crew can do a crossover during "difference class" (usually take 8 days only in TLS) from A320 to A330/A340/A380. i'm not sure about Boeing but currently you need different rating just to fly both 733 and 734/738/739NG. i dont know if boeing has the plan to follow airbus footsteps by maximizing similarities in their cockpit instruments so that "Cross Crew Qualifications" CCQ can be done in boeing aircraft. In this case airbus lead the way. For me i'd rather have PAL go for airbus fleet so that they can maximize their flight crew. No news so far from boeing. But if PAL wants assurance, they can go airbus...

Different country different rules. You can't fly 2 different planes on the same day. Rostering would be like 3 months on A320 and another 3 months on A330.

wow! truly enlightening! thanks. i didn't know that about airbus and boeing. and of course, your right, different country, different rules apply.

When Plane Engineers design a plane, its engine, wings, fuselage etc., whether it is full or half full, its ability & capacity are the same at
maximum level since its engine design are tasked to do that specific
lenght of flight time and range....:banana:

well i guess sincethe latest jet engines today are more advnace and fuel efficient they can fly non stop

Palau is like Guam... many noypis working there.

And Mwg12a, your also right. There are many Koreans who trek out of their home country to see the world. Rather envious. hehe. I had the chance to stay at the Shangrila in Mactan, and most of the staffs there were also Korean/English speaking, many were even Korean nationals who had contract when I asked if they enjoyed the Philippines. They were very friendly and most enthusiastic about our country. I was absolutely amazed as I haven't been able to go home to the RP in more than 13+ years. Even the businesses that line up on the streets of Lapu-Lapu City, they were lined up with booming Korean businesses. I saw so many Korean tourists who were on holidays in our country, enjoy playing golf etc. I was in ferry boat to Tagbilaran City in Bohol, and many of the passengers were Koreans, and on arrival to Mactan Int. Airport, the international section was occupied by two chartered KE aircrafts and one Asiana. I even payed homage to the Cathedral where the Santo Nino of Prague is housed, and Koreans were also doing their pilgrimage there, bowing and such where the statues of saints were housed. It was amazing to me. Forgive me, tagal ko kasing nawala at na bulok over seas, kaya gaping in awe where ever I went when I got back to the RP. haha. I really missed home. Aside from that, there were the wandering and dwindling numbers European tourists, but maybe our government could do something about these Koreans who are bringing in tourism and business in our country, by getting more Filipinos who can speak the language? Just like we have a number of qualified people who are abled and capable of speaking fluent Japanese. Koreans, Japenese, and the Chinese are the ones who are pumping investments and money in to our country. Dapat alisto ang gobyerno!

mga ilan

Wow new airplane thread, cool.

Does anyone know when the first ATR of 5J will come in. 2008 right a whole bunch of them. Maybe local flying will be a bit cheaper . Maybe.

Wow new airplane thread, cool.

Does anyone know when the first ATR of 5J will come in. 2008 right a whole bunch of them. Maybe local flying will be a bit cheaper . Maybe.

5J will start the MNL-caticlan route using this new air craft on Feb. 29, 2008 and CEB-Caticlan route on March 28, 2008.

Cebu Pacific will fly 10 times daily to Boracay, fares start at P688 using the new ATR 72-500 aircraft

Cebu Pacific to fly 10 times daily to Boracay, fares start at P688

Cebu Pacific (CEB), the country’s leading domestic airline and low fare leader, will start flying the Manila-Boracay (Caticlan) route starting February 29, 2008 and the Cebu-Boracay (Caticlan) route starting March 28, 2008.

The new routes will utilize CEB’s brand new ATR 72-500 aircraft which will arrive in February 2008.

Both the Manila-Boracay (Caticlan) and Cebu-Boracay (Caticlan) year-round ‘Go’ fares start at P688, which is almost 65% lower than the current lowest year-round fares offered by other domestic airlines for this route.

Candice Iyog, CEB vice president for marketing and product said, “We want more Filipinos to visit and experience Boracay. We hope to further spur local and international travel activity to one of the best leisure destinations in the world, Boracay, as we start our service to Caticlan. With our very low year-round fares, more Filipinos and overseas guests can now visit the country’s number one tourist destination.”

CEB will initially operate its Manila-Boracay (Caticlan) service five times daily. Upon the arrival of the second ATR aircraft in March, it will increase its frequency from five to nine services daily and also begin daily Cebu-Boracay (Caticlan) operations.

“We are not just offering the lowest fares but also using brand new ATR 72-500 aircraft to service this route.” Iyog added.

CEB is acquiring up to 14 ATR72-500 regional aircraft manufactured by Avions de Transport Regional (ATR), based in Toulouse, France. ATR is the world leader in the 50 to 74-seat turboprop market.

“As part of our commitment to local tourism, we offer the lowest year-round domestic fares to encourage more and more Filipinos to explore the Philippines. We also acquired the 72-seater ATR aircraft to service airports with runway length and strength limitations, such as Caticlan” Iyog stated.

Iyog added that the best way to purchase tickets is through CEB’s website, cebupacificair.com.

Now in its 12th year, CEB has the youngest fleet of aircraft in the Philippines. CEB flies to 12 international and soon to be 21 domestic destinations with the addition of Boracay beginning February 29, 2008.

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Route map of PR.

Maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper - copyright © Karl L. Swartz.

*erratum: I forgot the SYD-MNL leg.

wow... very pathetic! cmon! where are the european routes! CMON PAL!!!

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Route map of SQ.

Maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper - copyright © Karl L. Swartz.

wow... very pathetic! cmon! where are the european routes! CMON PAL!!!

Would you like some? I'll try to find the '94 route map.

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Route map of PR November '93.

Maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper - copyright © Karl L. Swartz.

mga ilan

:lol:Not really that many. They're just a nation of 20'000 as a whole. Pinoy's are roughy 2% of it, which actually had been reduced because POEA prevented the deployment of domestics in that place due to cases of maltreatment ,mas marami pa yatang tao dito sa village namin than the entire Palau islands, the only thing why airlines here in PI is setting foot there is because were a cheaper transit and shopping alternative to Palauans than say going to Guam via CO.

There are also many Korean cabin crews of pal the assigned specifically to their korean routes of seoul and busan.

Demand Booming for Korean Flight Attendants (http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200712/200712240021.html)

Foreign airlines will employ a record high number of Korean flight attendants next year. According to industry sources, each of the foreign airlines that employ Korean flight attendants plans to hire an additional 20 to 50 new ones next year, bringing the total to 700.

These carriers, which include Emirates, Qatar Airways, China Eastern Airlines, Singapore Airlines and Hong Kong Airlines, employed 450 Korean flight attendants last year.

The growing popularity of Korean flight attendants is attributable to the high vocational qualifications of Korean applicants and the need to secure skilled attendants amid a surge in demand for air travel.

Emirates is the largest employer of Korean flight attendants. It hired 100 Korean flight attendants this year and will employ 150 next year.

Qatar Airways will increase its number of Korean flight attendants from 80 this year to 100 next year. Singapore Airlines and Hong Kong Airlines will each hire 50 Korean flight attendants next year, up from 30 this year.

China Eastern Airlines will increase its number from 150 this year to 180 next year. Finnair, Gulf Air, Philippine Airlines and Vietnam Airlines have increased their Korean flight attendant crews by around 10 to 20 this year and plan to hire more next year.

Chinese airlines, Cathay Pacific Airways and Dragon Air will also hire more Korean flight attendants next year in preparation for the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games.

National flag carriers Korean Air and Asiana Airlines will also employ 1,300 new flight attendants in 2008, a record high. That means demand for Korean flight attendants will top 2,000 next year alone.

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:sly: Didn't know that PR employs foreigners. That's news to me!

^^ theres also a news of them hiring chinese mainlanders for flights to China. Lalo na next year that they will add two more cities to serve. Chongqing and Chendu. That makes PAL's routes to China into 5

Guess training Filipino cabin crews to be multi/bilingual (in Korean and Mandarin) is too much to ask for eh?

^^ Well considering that the salaries of Chinese cabin crews starts at just a little over $300 a month in compare to Pinoy's $500..I guess it's a financial reason too...

^^ So PR's foreign FAs are being gipped? That's kinda unfair....bordering on (gasp!) "racism?"

^^ I think they are following the industry standards in their home countries. Like average FA salaries in China(which is lower) and in Korea. So on the Koreans I expect higher salaries probaly around $800 for a start

Speaking of FAs, haven't you notice that SEA carriers uses their national costumes (ie: SQ's Sarong Kebaya) as their uniforms and the NEA carriers opt for the more westernized look (CX's FAs look like "space cadets" from Starfleet Academy! :lol: ). The only anomaly it seems is PR; they should return to the Filipiniana look of their FAs instead of looking like secretaries or bank tellers. :colgate:

Guess training Filipino cabin crews to be multi/bilingual (in Korean and Mandarin) is too much to ask for eh?

For one thing, it would be more costly to send the FA to a language school and the fact that you can't be half fluent in any language in 3 mos would definitely too much to ask. The FA should be able to speak any language required fluently so they can assist a passenger more effectively. It's not a matter of just speaking in an overhead speaker for announcement but they should be able to answer clearly and effectively the passenger's questions since most of them don't speak fluent english, unlike the filipinos who were thought english since grammar school.

Any latest developments here? Because some says the chinese backed off!

As you know there are conflicting reports that some kuwaiti companies wanted to build an airport somewhere 20 km away from manila, plus these chinese who also wanted to develop sangley point.


http://www.travelsmart.net/article/104820/

http://en.portnews.ru/digest/523/


Full dev’t of Sangley Point in the works

As it was during the Spanish and American colonial period, Sangley Point in Cavite will soon be the Philippines’ newest, biggest and most modern shipping and air transport support facility.

President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo has directed an inter-agency group to look into the viability of converting some 4,000 hectares in Sangley Point into a major sea and air hub of global standards.

“The development of Sangley Point is a very ambitious program being sponsored by the Department of National Defense (DND),’’ said Presidential spokesman Rigoberto Tiglao.

“The President has tasked Defense Secretary Angelo Reyes and some of her advisers to look closely into the proposal,’’ Tiglao said.

In last week’s cabinet meeting, Reyes presented to President Macapagal-Arroyo an overview of the Sangley Point Development Project (SPDP) that involves the reclamation of some 4,000 hectares around Sangley Point for mixed-use development.

Reyes said the project calls for the establishment of a modern naval air base, which Sangley Point used to be in 1945-following the victory of the Allies in World War II.

He said Sangley Point would also be home to a big seaport that could service giant “super panamax’’ container ships and to an international airport.

Historically, Sangley Point served as a shipyard where the Spanish galleons were built and where American submarines berthed. It also had an airstrip where American bombers took off and landed during the Japanese occupation of the Philippines.

Reyes said the necessary amenities – to include housing and livelihood facilities; commerrcial and industrial areas; schools, hospitals, and other institutions; parks and playgrounds, roads and a rail system and others – would also be put up.

The President’s interest in seeing through the DND-initiated project was further reinforced when Reyes explained that the completion and operationalization of the SPDP would bring about massive employment, foreign exchange earnings and domestic revenues, and the use of local materials.

Besides this, the SPDP would free portions of the 600-hectare Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) complex for conversion to residential, commercial, and industrial uses.

It will also make available the headquarters of the Philippine Navy along Roxas Boulevard, to be transferred to the SPDP on its completion, for similar income-raising potential.

Reyes also stressed that revenue generated from the SPDP could be used for the Armed Forces of the Philippines Modernization Program.

Sangley Point is located on a peninsula jutting into Manila Bay about eight miles southwest of Manila.

The peninsula got its name from Chinese merchants, then known as xiang-li, who were distrusted by the Spanish colonial government that ruled the country since 1527.

The Spanish colonizers restricted the business activities of the Chinese merchants to the narrow strip of land across the bay, which eventually bore their name.

I also learned that it was our former pres FVR who shut down the plans to build an international airport at sangley point on 1990.

http://hablachabacano.blogspot.com/2007/06/shipping-complex-at-sangley-point.html

Obviously, Sangley is a much sought-after piece of real estate and one strategically located in terms of shipping and transport. In the early 1990s, there were plans by the country's biggest taipans to build the International Airport in Sangley as well, but the plan was shot down by former President Fidel Ramos.

PAL uses dialects for inflight messages (http://www.traveldailynews.com/pages/show_page/23933)

Philippine Airlines has started making inflight announcements in five different dialects to give passengers to 14 domestic points an added “touch of home” while still enroute. Flights to Cebu, Butuan, Cagayan de Oro, Davao, Tagbilaran, Dipolog and General Santos have Cebuano announcements.

Other dialects being tried (on selected routes) this holiday season are: Ilonggo (Bacolod, Iloilo, Roxas City); Ilocano (Laoag); Bicolano (Legaspi, Naga); and Chavacano (Zamboanga).

The added inflight treat has drawn smiles and praises from home-bound balikbayans and OFWs.

“We were delighted to hear holiday greetings in Cebuano over the inflight public address system. It evoked feelings of familiarity even before we touched ground,” according to a Cebu-based passenger.

Sylvia Hermosisima, head of PAL Cabin Services, said final touches are being done to make the project a permanent feature of the carrier’s domestic inflight service. “It is one way of making our passengers feel a touch of home whenever they fly with us.”

Airlines up, shipping down in 2007 (http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2007/dec/28/yehey/top_stories/20071228top7.html)

As record-high oil prices multiplied the operating costs of airline and shipping companies, the competition between the two transportation sectors intensified in 2007 which saw airlines soaring but shipping firms drowning.

Ships and ferryboats, once the majority’s most-preferred mode of domestic inter-island passenger transport in the country, are losing to airlines because airfare is cheaper than traveling by ship.

The sea-travel sector contributes P19.92 billion to the economy. At end-September, it was so badly affected by the historic high oil prices that there was talk of some of them going bankrupt.

These shipping companies, along with their leaders, Super*Ferry, Sulpicio Lines, Negros Navigation Co. (Nenaco) and Lorenzo Shipping, are all experiencing hard times because of higher expenses at a time when their revenues have been on the downward trend for a year or two now.

The decline in earnings can be attributed to the diminishing trend in sea travel. There was a slight increase of sea craft travel in January to August 2007, but the increase did not offset the trend of decline in patronage for a number of years now.

Philippine Ports Authority (PPA) showed that passengers traveling by sea went up by less than 1 percent (by 0.64 percentage point) to 28.89 million over the January to August 2007 figures from the January to August 2006 count of 28.71 million passengers.

Aboitiz Transport System Corp. had cut its passenger vessel operations in favor of cargo business to remain profitable. The company’s passenger-segment revenue contribution to the company went down to 23 percent from 35 percent.

Another shipping firm, Lorenzo, also had to reduce its trip frequency to reduce operating expenses.

A recent study on the domestic shipping development plan reveals that most local shipping companies are holding off on expansion plans. They all also expect limited growth in profitability, limited increase in cargo and passenger traffic and severe competition within the sector and against airlines.

In contrast, the air-travel sector sees continued profitability and higher volumes, despite rising oil prices.

Avelino Zapanta, president of Southeast Asian Airlines (Seair), said the rise in oil prices will not set back the boom in air travel. “The airlines are able to cope with oil price increases,” he said, adding, “They are even heavily promoting low fares.”

The airline companies—whose leaders are Cebu Pacific and Philippine Airline’s budget fare unit, Air Philippines—are offering aggressive promotional schemes that have taken a huge bite from the market share of the shipping firms.

Candice Iyog, Cebu Pacific marketing director, said despite high fuel prices, her company offers cheaper fares to stimulate air travel.

The airlines’ cheap-fare offerings have increased the growth of domestic travel by 23 percent, as of end-September.

Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB) data show domestic passenger numbers reached 7.69 million in the first nine months of the year from 6.24 million in the same period last year.

Airline companies have also announced massive fleet expansion programs.

In September last year, Seair signed a lease agreement with Tiger Airways for two brand-new 180-seater Airbus A320 aircraft.

PAL, on the other hand, is carrying on a refleeting program amounting to $1.4 billon to finance new aircraft. This year, PAL is receiving two Airbus A320 aircraft, and another five in 2008.

In addition, a fleet of six Boeing 777-300 Extended Range will be delivered to PAL between 2009 and 2011.

For its part, Cebu Pacific completed its refleeting program that cost it $670 million. Next year, the company will spend P3.23 billion for the acquisition of four aircraft from Avions de Transport Regional.

PAL uses dialects for inflight messages (http://www.traveldailynews.com/pages/show_page/23933)

Philippine Airlines has started making inflight announcements in five different dialects to give passengers to 14 domestic points an added “touch of home” while still enroute. Flights to Cebu, Butuan, Cagayan de Oro, Davao, Tagbilaran, Dipolog and General Santos have Cebuano announcements.

Other dialects being tried (on selected routes) this holiday season are: Ilonggo (Bacolod, Iloilo, Roxas City); Ilocano (Laoag); Bicolano (Legaspi, Naga); and Chavacano (Zamboanga).

The added inflight treat has drawn smiles and praises from home-bound balikbayans and OFWs.

“We were delighted to hear holiday greetings in Cebuano over the inflight public address system. It evoked feelings of familiarity even before we touched ground,” according to a Cebu-based passenger.

Sylvia Hermosisima, head of PAL Cabin Services, said final touches are being done to make the project a permanent feature of the carrier’s domestic inflight service. “It is one way of making our passengers feel a touch of home whenever they fly with us.”

Mga kaabyan, bag-o lang kita naghupa sa Bag-ong Hulugpaan sang Iloilo/Bacolod. Gina abi-abi kamo sang PAL sa Iloilo/Bacolod. Ginasingganan ang tanan nga pasahero nga indi anay pagkuhaa ang mga bagahe sa overhead compartments kag ginaabisuhan nga indi anay kakson ang inyo nga sinturon nga pangluwas. Ginaabisuhan man nga indi pwede paandaron anay ang mga cellular phones antes nga maka-lab-ot na ta sa terminal. Madamu gid nga salamat sa pagsakay nyo sa Philippine Airlines. :D

^^why did he shoot down the proposal?

^^ They were probably finalizing NAIA 3 for its construction. I just imagine what if the naia 3 plans gets scrapped to give way for a brand new airport at sangley point.

Mga kaabyan, bag-o lang kita naghupa sa Bag-ong Hulugpaan sang Iloilo/Bacolod. Gina abi-abi kamo sang PAL sa Iloilo/Bacolod. Ginasingganan ang tanan nga pasahero nga indi anay pagkuhaa ang mga bagahe sa (1)overhead compartments kag ginaabisuhan nga indi anay kakson ang inyo nga (2)sinturon nga pangluwas. Ginaabisuhan man nga indi pwede paandaron anay ang mga cellular phones antes nga maka-lab-ot na ta sa (3)terminal. Madamu gid nga salamat sa pagsakay nyo sa Philippine Airlines. :D

Good one Bernie! :okay:

But....
1. You should've translated that to the local vernacular too.
2. Isn't it that it should be "paha" instead?
3. Same reason as #1.

Now I'm curious to hear it in Cebuano, Ilocano, Bicolano, and Chavacano. I wonder, do they reverse it to Tagalog when the flight returns to MNL?

PAL uses dialects for inflight messages (http://www.traveldailynews.com/pages/show_page/23933)

Philippine Airlines has started making inflight announcements in five different dialects to give passengers to 14 domestic points an added “touch of home” while still enroute. Flights to Cebu, Butuan, Cagayan de Oro, Davao, Tagbilaran, Dipolog and General Santos have Cebuano announcements.

Other dialects being tried (on selected routes) this holiday season are: Ilonggo (Bacolod, Iloilo, Roxas City); Ilocano (Laoag); Bicolano (Legaspi, Naga); and Chavacano (Zamboanga).

The added inflight treat has drawn smiles and praises from home-bound balikbayans and OFWs.

“We were delighted to hear holiday greetings in Cebuano over the inflight public address system. It evoked feelings of familiarity even before we touched ground,” according to a Cebu-based passenger.

Sylvia Hermosisima, head of PAL Cabin Services, said final touches are being done to make the project a permanent feature of the carrier’s domestic inflight service. “It is one way of making our passengers feel a touch of home whenever they fly with us.”I am disgusted. Bicolano, Hiligaynon, Cebuano, Ilocano and Chavacano are not dialects! They are languages too!

Good one Bernie! :okay:

But....
1. You should've translated that to the local vernacular too.
2. Isn't it that it should be "paha" instead?
3. Same reason as #1.

Now I'm curious to hear it in Cebuano, Ilocano, Bicolano, and Chavacano. I wonder, do they reverse it to Tagalog when the flight returns to MNL?

Wow Kimber! Your learning fast too!! Thanks for the suggestions, hehe!! :D

@XP. Don't be disgusted. Bahala na sila, basta the academe has already declared it as languages. :D

^^ Why thank you Bernie! :okay:

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Route map of PR November '93.

Maps generated by the Great Circle Mapper - copyright © Karl L. Swartz.

can you trace the route map when pr used to fly to chicago and around those years, thats what w/in 70s to early 80's . im assuming

^^why did he shoot down the proposal?

walang kotong or less kotong was received

^^ They were probably finalizing NAIA 3 for its construction. I just imagine what if the naia 3 plans gets scrapped to give way for a brand new airport at sangley point.

that'd be worse IMO.. NAIA just needs a new terminal, sangley meanwhile needs better road access, maybe even a rail system.. maybe a new runway too.. that means sangley would be experiencing the same, if not worse, controversy NAIA T3 is having today...:):cheers:

Speaking of FAs, haven't you notice that SEA carriers uses their national costumes (ie: SQ's Sarong Kebaya) as their uniforms and the NEA carriers opt for the more westernized look (CX's FAs look like "space cadets" from Starfleet Academy! :lol: ). The only anomaly it seems is PR; they should return to the Filipiniana look of their FAs instead of looking like secretaries or bank tellers. :colgate:

According to some FAs (from the other forum), the Filipiniana uniform with that hibiscus skirt are really uncomfortable.

I am disgusted. Bicolano, Hiligaynon, Cebuano, Ilocano and Chavacano are not dialects! They are languages too!

Good. They really are.

@tigs, I don't have. Sorry.

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British Airways Places Order for the 787th 787 (http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2007/q4/071226a_pr.html)


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SEATTLE, Dec. 27, 2007 -- British Airways has finalized an order for 24 787 Dreamliners valued at $4.4 billion at list prices. The order raises total orders for the 787 from 766 to 790, taking it past the 787th order milestone. "The 787 is a fantastic aircraft and will be a welcome addition to our fleet, said Willie Walsh, British Airways' chief executive. "It will provide major environmental improvements in terms of global emissions, local air quality and noise. With lower operating costs and the range to fly to all our destinations, it will give us more flexibility when planning our route network and we are confident that our customers will enjoy flying on the aircraft."

its in wikipedia din pala^^

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/29/Pal_destination_routes.png

pal have never flew to nz or antartica pala
i thought they flew to ny, nde pala, sa dirty jersey lang pala LOL

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippine_Airlines_destinations

^^It's kulang. Di ba PAL used to fly to Madrid and Tel-Aviv?

and india
ye i know

^^Actually tigs that routemap didn't show the actual stops. PAL (and any other airline) couldn't fly non-stop Manila-Chicago and even Manila-New York at that time because of lack of long-range aircrafts. The Manila-New York service had a stop in Vancouver.

yes ,need another runway, only one runway in sangley point kaya!maiksi pa

ah ok
can you patch in the corrected route then

^I don't know the stops.:(

According to some FAs (from the other forum), the Filipiniana uniform with that hibiscus skirt are really uncomfortable.

I didn't mean to bring back the old uniform. What I meant was to design a new look that's Filipiniana-inspired and of course with material that is comfortable to the working environment.

pal have never flew to nz or antartica pala i thought they flew to ny, nde pala, sa dirty jersey lang pala

Newark Liberty International Airport (EWR) is one of the three metropolitan airports of NYC, so by extension, you can consider that PR "technically" flies to the New York City area.

It's kulang. Di ba PAL used to fly to Madrid and Tel-Aviv?

I don't know about TLV, but PR did fly to MAD before.

Actually that routemap didn't show the actual stops. PAL (and any other airline) couldn't fly non-stop Manila-Chicago and even Manila-New York at that time because of lack of long-range aircrafts. The Manila-New York service had a stop in Vancouver.

Didn't PR also made regular layovers in Seoul (SEL/Gimpo) for trans-Pacific flights before?

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Demo business class seats of PR's B777-300ER.
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^^ Kaparehas ng sa Cathay and Qatar Airways,kahit medyo cramp I prefer the one's used by Etihad.
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kung gagawa ng hi-end int'l airport sa sangley, kelengan ding gawan ng super highways doon to connect the surrounding cities. syempre kasama na yung modernong rail system!

Philippine Airlines and Air Philippines record higher passenger volume (http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/ceb/2007/12/29/bus/pal.air.philippines.record.higher.passenger.volume.html)

MANILA - Philippine Airlines (PAL) and low-cost partner carrier Air Philippines jointly dominated the competitive domestic air transport market in 2007, even as both are set to buck forecasts of a downturn in the global airline industry in 2008 with modest expansion plans.

From Jan. 1 to Dec. 21, the two airlines carried over five million passengers together in domestic routes.

This translated to a market-leading share of 53.8 percent during the period, compared to the 4.3 million passengers carried and 46.2 percent share of their closest competitor.

The data were culled from statistics published by the Civil Aeronautics Board and from airport records.

The market lead was more pronounced during the first three weeks of December, the peak Christmas-holiday travel period, when PAL and Air Philippines carried a combined 319,895 passengers for a sizable 55.5 percent stake.

The balance of 256,725 passengers or 44.5 percent was accounted for by the third carrier.

The PAL-Air Philippines alliance also kept its superiority in capacity offering during 2007, with an aggregate 6.46 million seats flown on 31 domestic routes.

This accounted for 55 percent of total capacity— a share that rose to 56 percent in December as both carriers boosted frequencies during what is traditionally the busiest travel period of the year.

In contrast, the competition was able to deploy 1.2 million less seats at 5.24 million for 2007, comprising 45 percent of total capacity for the year—a share that dropped to just 43 percent for December.

Partnership

The partnership of PAL and Air Philippines also yielded operational synergies that enabled the alliance to deliver services to passengers.

For instance, Air Philippines’ newly launched turbo-prop commuter flights between Manila and Caticlan (Boracay) are benefiting immensely as a feeder route of PAL’s extensive domestic, regional and international services.

The two airlines also have close complementation in their flight operations, feeding passengers into each other’s networks and ensuring seamless connections via their joint hubs at NAIA Centennial Terminal 2 in Manila and Mactan-Cebu International Airport.

Fleet

Overall, the alliance has a combined fleet of 46 narrow- and wide-body aircraft operating an average of 1,246 flights a week to 58 destinations in the country, and across 13 nations and territories.

Meanwhile, both PAL and Air Philippines are looking to strengthen themselves with modest fleet and route-network build-ups in 2008, despite predictions by the International Air Transport Association of a dip in industry earnings due to higher fuel prices.

PAL is coming off a banner year in 2007, when it declared its largest-ever profit of $140.3 million, for the 2006-2007 fiscal year.

Honors

It emerged a “fighting fit” from an eight-year stint in receivership in October and capped it off by reaping “Airline Turnaround of the Year” honors at international aviation awards derbies.

The pioneer flag carrier will carry the momentum into 2008 as it takes delivery of five brand-new Airbus A320 jets during the year.

Cagayan de Oro lawmakers to help fund airport (http://www.sunstar.com.ph/static/cag/2007/12/28/bus/oro.lawmaker.to.help.fund.airport.html)

Two congressmen from Cagayan de Oro's two districts were requested by the City Council to pour some of their pork barrel funds to make Lumbia Domestic Airport an "international port of entry."

During their regular session Thursday, opposition City Councilor Teodulfo Lao pushed the approval of a Proposed Ordinance 2007-258 requesting Cagayan de Oro 2nd District Representative Rufus Rodriguez to help upgrade the Lumbia Domestic Airport located at Barangay Lumbia this city.

Lao recounted how Rodriguez, a former Bureau of Immigration (BID) chief, was told of how a number of foreign tourists and investors are interested in coming to Cagayan de Oro City even for an overnight stay.

However, the Lumbia Domestic Airport's runway needs to be extended by 500 meters and that it currently does not have a local extension office of the BID that would cater to these foreigners' various needs.

Rodriguez in consultation with Air Transportation Office (ATO) officers, embassy officials, and the incumbent Immigration secretary said he is willing to pour out his own congressional funds for the extension of the Lumbia runway.

The Immigration Secretary assured him that a BID extension office will be put up in our Lumbia airport.

Lao recounted how Rodriguez was told that the construction of the Laguindingan International Airport at Laguindingan, Misamis Oriental will still take around 10 years to finish and become fully operational.

He said the City Government should not wait for 10 years to bring in more foreigners to be tourists or investors or both for Cagayan de Oro City.

Lao replied that the DOTC-ATO has already discussed with Rodriguez the amount that would be involved for the 500-meter extension of the Lumbia airport runway as well as the putting up of lighting facilities among others.

City Councilor Alden Bacal for his part did not object to Lao's proposed ordinance, however, surprisingly asked that a study be conducted first as to the viability of putting up another international airport.

But Goking answered that there is no need for a project study considering that international airports "can be extended even up to the mountains."

Minority Floor Leader City Councilor Zaldy Ocon lauded the proposed ordinance.
He said Cagayan de Oro First District Representative Rolando Uy should also be told to bankroll the Lumbia airport upgrade to international standards since the airport is part of the first district.

Former city planning and development officer now City Coucilor Maning Abejuela inquired whether the proposal to the customs and immigration offices at Lumbia airport would be transferred to Laguindingan International Airport once the latter is fully operational.

Lao said the Lumbia international airport will become a "secondary airport" once the Laguindingan International Airport is in full swing.

Goking said there is not much of an argument on this matter of putting a customs and immigration office at Lumbia Airport considering that the project of extending the airport's runway is already a huge help to not just the foreigners but to city residents.

"Our Lumbia airport really needs to be rehabilitated," he said. The ordinance was thus approved unanimously.

Cosco still keen on RP – Favila
By Ma. Elisa P. Osorio
Saturday, December 29, 2007
http://www.philstar.com/index.php?Business&p=49&type=2&sec=27&aid=200712286

The China Ocean Shipping Co. (COSCO) has not lost interest in investing billions of dollars in the Philippines, Trade Secretary Peter B. Favila said.

“COSCO is still interested to make the Philippines as its logistics hub in the region,” Favila said.

Favila was reacting to earlier reports that Cosco, which earlier proposed to invest $5 billion for a port in Sangley Point, will no longer invest their money in the country.

In November, Ambassador Francis, Chua special envoy on China trade and investments, said the project, which is expected to make the country a maritime power in the region, has been delayed as a result of the cancellation of the controversial broadband deal between the Philippine government and Chinese firm ZTE Corp.

Favila himself admitted that COSCO has not been in contact with him for months.

When asked if this is enough indication that COSCO has lost interest in investing in the country, Favila said “let me put it this way, all businessmen who would like to invest here talk to me constantly.”

The COSCO investment was first made public in May.

Initially, Cosco wanted to construct a modern port at the Navy headquarters in Cavite. Its initial plans include the development of a 250-hectare land in Sangley Point where they would put up a “marine school to train maritime sailors.”

“They will be using the Philippines as a hub for shipment to Europe and America, so all cargo from Asia will come to the Philippines, using the Philippines as a staging point to go to US, North America, Europe and vice versa,” Chua said.

He added that Cosco’s facility is expected to generate about 100,000 jobs, particularly for the country’s seafarers.

Founded in 1961 as the pioneer international shipping carrier in China, Cosco has grown into a $17-billion global company. It owns and operates 600 various types of ships operating in 1,300 ports in more than 160 countries and regions worldwide.

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PAL Timetable
April 1-October 31, 1971

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PAL Timetable
October 25, 1987-March 26, 1988

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PAL Timetable
Effective May 15, 1947

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PR DC 10-30

ALL FROM e-bay

Credits to Clarkent of PinoyExchange:

Demo business class seats of PR's B777-300ER.
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Wow! They're pretty cool! (Kinda reminiscent of the Raffles Class "space-beds" on Singapore Airlines' 747-400s and older (non-ER) 777s, but still quite nice.)

I can hardly wait till PAL's first 777s arrive! However, I also hope the Mabuhay Class Upper Decks of their 747-400s will also be equipped with those seats (personally, I'm still a fan of 747s on long-hauls)!

Di ba PAL used to fly to Madrid and Tel-Aviv?

PAL did once serve Madrid, though not since the early 1980s. Tel Aviv, on the other hand, was never served by PAL (or any Southeast Asian airline for that matter).

Credits to Clarkent of PinoyExchange:

Demo business class seats of PR's B777-300ER.
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SUPER COOL,....:banana:

Credits to Clarkent of PinoyExchange:

Demo business class seats of PR's B777-300ER.
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this's cool:lol:

if only they had personal tvs for fiesta class.

@tigs, I don't have. Sorry.

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British Airways Places Order for the 787th 787 (http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2007/q4/071226a_pr.html)


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SEATTLE, Dec. 27, 2007 -- British Airways has finalized an order for 24 787 Dreamliners valued at $4.4 billion at list prices. The order raises total orders for the 787 from 766 to 790, taking it past the 787th order milestone. "The 787 is a fantastic aircraft and will be a welcome addition to our fleet, said Willie Walsh, British Airways' chief executive. "It will provide major environmental improvements in terms of global emissions, local air quality and noise. With lower operating costs and the range to fly to all our destinations, it will give us more flexibility when planning our route network and we are confident that our customers will enjoy flying on the aircraft."

sana meron na nagbebenta ng BRITISH AIRCRAFT D2 SA PINAS.... ahahaha
all i know is UNITED AIRLINES pa lang...
may alam ba kayo guys saan pwde bumili ng mga aircraft model???

can you trace the route map when pr used to fly to chicago and around those years, thats what w/in 70s to early 80's . im assuming

I believe it was via Honolulu and Los Angeles or San Francisco. Frequency was 3x a week. Served ORD from November 1985 to March 1987. I think the Philippine Philharmonic Orchestra performed at the inagural flight ceremony at MIA. Then PAL chairman Roman Cruz conducted a musical piece or two.

The reason for the suspension? I dunno, but I've heard from old PALers that it was difficult to maintain this particular route. PAL had 4 B747-200Bs and 2 DC-10s in their long-haul fleet at that time, so if a PAL 747 had mechanical issues in Chicago, then it kind of screws up the schedule. I dunno...

As for pax loads, I heard that the loads were good.

BTW, has it occured that it took another 18 years before PAL added a new US destination (Los Angeles-1980/1)? The politics of air agreements...




PAL did once serve Madrid, though not since the early 1980s. Tel Aviv, on the other hand, was never served by PAL (or any Southeast Asian airline for that matter).

PAL served Madrid from 1947 until the suspension of international flights in 1954 under the order of Pres. Magsaysay. PAL did serve Tel Aviv in the same time period, but it was also interchanged by Beirut, Lebanon; considering the instability following the formation of the State of Israel.

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KUNG GANYAN LANG SANA ANG NAIA OR UNG DMIA WORTH IT TLGA...:)
ehehehe ganda sana pag ganyan airport ng pinas, for sure magiging GATEWAY TAYO NG MUNDO!!!

PAL served Madrid from 1947 until the suspension of international flights in 1954 under the order of Pres. Magsaysay.

Madrid was back in the route network when PAL resumed its international long-haul (including Europe) routes in the 1960s (as evidenced somewhere in an earlier thread - one of PAL's DC-8s leased from KLM taken at Barajas). But by the late 70s or early 80s, Madrid was off the network again (as were Munich, Athens, and Zurich) as the airline simplified its routing network. So from the 80s, PAL's European points were: London (LGW), Paris (ORY, later CDG), Rome (FCO), Frankfurt-Main (FRA), and Amsterdam-Schiphol (AMS).

But, as bad luck would have it, the June 1998 strike crippled the airline's operations, leading PAL to discontinue its European services completely.

PAL did serve Tel Aviv in the same time period, but it was also interchanged by Beirut, Lebanon; considering the instability following the formation of the State of Israel.

OK, I stand corrected... so PAL DID once serve TLV for (even just) a brief period; perhaps making it the only Southeast Asian airline to do (have done) so?

Credits to Clarkent of PinoyExchange:

Demo business class seats of PR's B777-300ER.
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May maipagmayabang na tayo sa mga magazines........
"The New Philippine Airlines Mabuhay Class.....experience world class service from Asia's Sunniest......beacuse it's the experience that truly matters.....with you all the way now shining through in our B777-300ER aircraft......"
tapos kung may Singapore Girl ang SIA, meron din tayong Filipina.......bahala na if they still wear their current uniforms.......

May maipagmayabang na tayo sa mga magazines........
The New Philippine Airlines Mabuhay Class.....experience world class service from Asia's Sunniest......beacuse it's the experience that truly matters.....with you all the way now shining through in our B777-300ER aircraft......

:lol:kw na ang mag endorse ng PAL, galing mo pla.,. joke lang.. peace

May maipagmayabang na tayo sa mga magazines........
"The New Philippine Airlines Mabuhay Class.....experience world class service from Asia's Sunniest......beacuse it's the experience that truly matters.....with you all the way now shining through in our B777-300ER aircraft......"
tapos kung may Singapore Girl ang SIA, meron din tayong Filipina.......bahala na if they still wear their current uniforms.......

:banana:

I agree with Chrisvenz. You should endorse for PR then.
By the way, PR actually had an advertisement this year. It was a minute or so, and aired on MTV. The ad featured a modern rendition of the "Love At 30,000 Feet."

:banana:

I agree with Chrisvenz. You should endorse for PR then.
By the way, PR actually had an advertisement this year. It was a minute or so, and aired on MTV. The ad featured a modern rendition of the "Love At 30,000 Feet."

aww, I really love it... =]:)

^^ theres also a news of them hiring chinese mainlanders for flights to China. Lalo na next year that they will add two more cities to serve. Chongqing and Chendu. That makes PAL's routes to China into 5

Acutally they already have chinese FAs as well as quite no of japanese FAs specifically assigned to Japab and China routes.

...on Youtube (click the link)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3RZLk3DTDk
^I hope it works...

Did someone ever get the chance to post this here?

KLM Airline to Appeal $238,000 Fine
3 March 2006

AMSTERDAM, Netherlands (AP) - The Dutch airline KLM has appealed a $238,000 fine imposed by a Philippines court for losing a passenger's bag, a spokesman for the company said Friday.

The court awarded the damages last month to a man who lost his suitcase eight years ago en route from Manila to Almaty, Kazakhstan, where he was giving a lecture at a World Health Organization conference.

The passenger, identified as Jose Tiongco, claimed his reputation had suffered when he stood before his audience in jeans, T-shirt and sneakers.

A KLM spokesman said the airline disputed the Manila court's ruling that it was responsible for the loss, and also the "tremendous amount of money" the court awarded in damages -- a KLM record for losing a bag.

The spokesman, Youssef Eddini, said the passenger's itinerary had several legs that included non-KLM flights.

"We do not know on which leg the suitcase was lost," he said. "In the airline business, it is common that in such cases the last airline is responsible" for lost luggage.

that's totally ridiculous! ughhh

WHO HAS BETTER DESIGNS IN TERMS OF LIVERY?

PHILIPPINE AIRLINES OR

CEBU PACIFIC

I was just checking skytrax, http://www.airlinequality.com/index.htm and i couldnt believe that Malaysian Airlines is a 5 star airline! PAL is a 3 star.

PAL stands for Plain Ang Livery....period....hehehe....

:lol:kw na ang mag endorse ng PAL, galing mo pla.,. joke lang.. peace
may additional stuff pa ako....

The New Philippine Airlines Mabuhay Class.....experience world class service from Asia's Sunniest......beacuse it's the experience that truly matters....experience love at 30,000 feet from our cabin crew.........with you all the way now shining through in our B777-300ER aircraft......

Me neither. I've used them several times and there was no single journey that I was impress. I think they are are the worst 5* airline.

I was just checking skytrax, http://www.airlinequality.com/index.htm and i couldnt believe that Malaysian Airlines is a 5 star airline! PAL is a 3 star.

Very good.. :)

may additional stuff pa ako....

The New Philippine Airlines Mabuhay Class.....experience world class service from Asia's Sunniest......beacuse it's the experience that truly matters....experience love at 30,000 feet from our cabin crew.........with you all the way now shining through in our B777-300ER aircraft......

^^ But the beauty of it is in its simplicity. PR's clean, classic, iconic lines is a fine example of brand-recognition and endures the test of time.

I was just checking skytrax, http://www.airlinequality.com/index.htm and i couldnt believe that Malaysian Airlines is a 5 star airline! PAL is a 3 star.

:lol:

There are already six Skytrax five-star airlines (all Asian carriers): Singapore Airlines, Cathay Pacific Airways, Malaysia Airlines, Qatar Airways, Kingfisher Airlines and of course me, Asiana.:banana:

Kingfisher is even a surprise. The airline just started in 2003 and operates domestic flights in India but they've already ordered A380s and 777-200 LRs.

WHO HAS BETTER DESIGNS IN TERMS OF LIVERY?

PHILIPPINE AIRLINES OR

CEBU PACIFIC

Honestly, I go for PR's. The livery is so simple yet elegant. Beauty doesn't need to be colorful as bananas and mangoes.

Honestly, I go for PR's. The livery is so simple yet elegant. Beauty doesn't need to be colorful as bananas and mangoes.

:lol: That cracked me up! :okay:

^^ But the beauty of it is in its simplicity. PR's clean, classic, iconic lines is a fine example of brand-recognition and endures the test of time.

Yeah Much like Lufthansa and Air France