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kiretoce

December 30th, 2007, 04:22 AM

Philippine Airlines and Air Philippines tandem dominates 2007 market (http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryId=103881)

Flag carrier Philippine Airlines (PAL) and low-cost partner carrier Air Philippines jointly dominated the competitive domestic air transport market in 2007 even as both are set to buck forecasts of a downturn in the global airline industry in 2008 with modest expansion plans.

From Jan. 1 to Dec. 21, 2007, the two airlines carried over five million passengers on domestic routes. This translated to a market-leading share of 53.8 percent during the period, compared to the 4.3 million passengers carried and 46.2 percent share of their closest competitor.

The data were culled from statistics published by the Civil Aeronautics Board and from airport records.

The market lead was more pronounced during the first three weeks of December, the peak Christmas holiday travel period, when PAL and Air Philippines carried a combined 319,895 passengers for a sizable 55.5 percent stake.

The PAL-Air Philippines alliance also kept its superiority in capacity offering during the year, with an aggregate 6.46 million seats flown on 31 domestic routes.

This accounted for 55 percent of total capacity – a share that rose to 56 percent in December as both carriers boosted frequencies during what is traditionally the busiest travel period of the year.

In contrast, the competition was able to deploy 1.2 million less seats at 5.24 million for 2007, comprising 45 percent of total capacity for the year – a share that dropped to just 43 percent for December.

The partnership of PAL and Air Philippines also yielded operational synergies that enabled the alliance to deliver a superior product to passengers.

For instance, Air Philippines’ newly launched turbo-prop commuter flights between Manila and Caticlan (Boracay) are benefiting immensely as a feeder route of PAL’s extensive domestic, regional and international services.

The two airlines also have close complementation in their flight operations, feeding passengers into each other’s networks and ensuring seamless connections via their joint hubs at NAIA Centennial Terminal 2 in Manila and Mactan International Airport in Cebu.

Overall, the alliance is by far the dominant player in the Philippine aviation sector, with a combined fleet of 46 narrow- and wide-body aircraft operating an average of 1,246 flights a week to 58 destinations in the country, and across 13 nations and territories.

Meanwhile, both PAL and Air Philippines are looking to strengthen themselves with modest fleet and route-network buildups in 2008, despite predictions by the International Air Transport Association of a dip in industry earnings due to higher fuel prices.

PAL is coming off a banner year in 2007, when it declared its largest-ever profit of $140.3 million for the 2006-2007 fiscal year; emerged "fighting fit" from an eight-year stint in receivership in October; and capped it off by reaping "Airline Turnaround of the Year" honors at international aviation awards.

The pioneer flag carrier will carry the momentum into 2008 as it takes delivery of five brand-new Airbus A320 jets during the year – the last of 15 such aircraft on firm order in a fleet-renewal program that began in September 2006.

PAL has also signaled that it will exercise its options on five more aircraft of the same type, for delivery starting 2009. The modern, narrow-body jets are being deployed on trunkline domestic and, especially, Asian routes.

Among these new destinations are the western Chinese cities of Chongqing and Chengdu, which will be served on a twice-weekly basis starting March 18, 2008. These will be PAL’s fourth and fifth points in China.

On the other hand, Air Philippines will be taking delivery of its second and third Bombardier Q300 turbo-prop firm orders by May 2008, enabling the airline to ramp up its "Island Holidays" service to Caticlan to 11 times daily from Manila and twice daily from Cebu.

Options on three more Q300s, for delivery from 2009, will be taken up next year, Air Philippines executives have indicated.

The low-cost carrier is aggressively expanding turbo-prop operations to other local island destinations in the near term as it taps into the booming leisure market.

This thrust runs alongside Air Philippines’ Boeing 737 jet operations on trunkline routes out of Manila and Cebu, as well as regular charter services to Korea and other Asian points.

kiretoce

December 30th, 2007, 04:26 AM

La Union airport rehabilitation project in full swing (http://www.pia.gov.ph/default.asp?m=12&fi=p071218.htm&no=24)

San Fernando City, La Union -- The government's rehabilitation project of the San Fernando Airport at Poro Point here is in full swing.

The airport's upgrading with an estimated cost of P500 million is being funded by the Bases Conversion Development Authoriy (BCDA). It is expected to turn the San Fernando Airport into a modern facility that complies with the international civil aviation standards.

The scope of the project which is being implemented in two phases include the improvement of the landside facilities, airside facilities, air navigation systems and support facilities based on the requirements of the International Civil Aeronautics Organizations (ICAO).

The first phase of the upgrade includes hill removal and leveling, construction of a new control tower, renovation of fire station, fencing, excavation of ditches and channels, overlay of taxiway and runway widening.

According to Engineer Virgilio Salayog, Chief, Construction and Maintenance Division of the Poro Point Management Corporation, a subsidiary of BCDA, the hill removal and leveling is now 60 percent complete and is expected to be finished next month. It would extend the runway to 2,130 meters, enabling the airport to accommodate large aircraft like Airbus 320 and Boeing 737.

The present airport has 1,320 meter runway and it could only accommodate turboprop aircraft and the C-130 cargo plane of the Philippine Airforce.

The airport is currently classified as secondary airport serving as alternate to the Loakan Airport in Baguio City.

The project is expected to be completed before the end of next year.

The improved San Fernando Airport will provide vital infrastructure support to the existing and future tourism facilities in the Poro Economic and Freeport Zone. It is expected to push tourism, business and agriculture potential of the Ilocos and the Cordillera.

The airport will also serve as an export outlet of agricultural products of Northern Luzon and will help local and international tourists rediscover the North.

The San Fernando Airport upgrade is one of the major infrastructure projects committed by President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo during her last State-of-the-Nation Address.

jogavilz

December 30th, 2007, 04:55 AM

I smile whenever I see a PR plane, don't know why, but I do. :colgate:

because it's the beauty of the Philippines, shining through.......:colgate:

Chrisvenz

December 30th, 2007, 05:57 AM

nice... ahahaha siguro nga! shining through....:)

IMPRESARIO

December 30th, 2007, 10:43 AM

Pal uses dialects for in-flight messages

PHILIPPINE Airlines has started making in-flight announcements in five different dialects to give passengers to 14 domestic points an added ‘touch of home” while in route.

Flights to Cebu, Butuan, Cagayan de Oro, Davao, Tagbiliran, Dipolog and General Santos have Cebuano announcements.

Other dialects being tried (on selected routes) this holiday season are: Ilonggo (Bacolod, Iloilo, Roxas City); Ilocano (Laoag); Bicolano (Legaspi, Naga) and Chavacano (Zamboanga).

The added in-flight treat has drawn smiles and praises from home-bound balikbayans and OFWs.

“We were delighted to hear holiday greetings in Cebuano over the in-flight public address system. It evoked feelings of familiarity even before we touched ground,” according to a Cebu-based passenger.

Sylvia Hermosisima, head of PAL Cabin Services, said final touches are being done to make the project a permanent feature of the carrier’s domestic in-flight service.

“It is one way of making our passengers feel a touch of home whenever they fly with us.”

http://www.theguardianiloilo.ph/

IMPRESARIO

December 30th, 2007, 10:45 AM

PAL always for me.

PAL uses dialects for in-flight messages

PHILIPPINE Airlines has started making in-flight announcements in five different dialects to give passengers to 14 domestic points an added ‘touch of home” while in route.

Flights to Cebu, Butuan, Cagayan de Oro, Davao, Tagbiliran, Dipolog and General Santos have Cebuano announcements.

Other dialects being tried (on selected routes) this holiday season are: Ilonggo (Bacolod, Iloilo, Roxas City); Ilocano (Laoag); Bicolano (Legaspi, Naga) and Chavacano (Zamboanga).

The added in-flight treat has drawn smiles and praises from home-bound balikbayans and OFWs.

“We were delighted to hear holiday greetings in Cebuano over the in-flight public address system. It evoked feelings of familiarity even before we touched ground,” according to a Cebu-based passenger.

Sylvia Hermosisima, head of PAL Cabin Services, said final touches are being done to make the project a permanent feature of the carrier’s domestic in-flight service.

“It is one way of making our passengers feel a touch of home whenever they fly with us.”

http://www.theguardianiloilo.ph/

Monsi

December 30th, 2007, 12:55 PM

repost... Legazpi Airport...
A3RZLk3DTDk
...I hope you'll like it.

Monsi

December 30th, 2007, 01:02 PM

Legazpi City Airport on Youtube... lots of pictures of PR and 5J Boeing 733, 734, and Airbus A319, and A320...
A3RZLk3DTDk
...I hope you'll like it.

a s i a n a

December 30th, 2007, 01:42 PM

4SxjzTY8usY
SINGAPORE AIRLINES First Class on Boeing 777-300ER aircraft

How I wish PR will return to our boob tubes...:)

jogavilz

December 30th, 2007, 02:07 PM

Chrisvenz

December 30th, 2007, 03:41 PM

4SxjzTY8usY
SINGAPORE AIRLINES First Class on Boeing 777-300ER aircraft

How I wish PR will return to our boob tubes...:)

cool ang ganda ng slogan ng SIA,

"THE ROMANCE OF TRAVEL LIVES ON"

you can experience the largest bed sa aircraft na yan...
ehem, so u can make love na.. ayiiiiii:lol:

Chrisvenz

December 30th, 2007, 03:54 PM

Legazpi City Airport on Youtube... lots of pictures of PR and 5J Boeing 733, 734, and Airbus A319, and A320...
A3RZLk3DTDk
...I hope you'll like it.

meron bang b733 and 734???:)

manchowyin

December 30th, 2007, 04:32 PM

DOTC considers Alaminos City as international airport site
http://positivenewsmedia.net/am2/publish/Tourism_24/DOTC_considers_Alaminos_City_as_international_airport_site.shtml (http://positivenewsmedia.net/am2/publish/Tourism_24/DOTC_considers_Alaminos_City_as_international_airport_site.shtml)

ALAMINOS CITY, Dec. 29 (PNA) -- A high official of the Department of Transportation and Communication (DOTC) has confirmed that his office is considering the proposal for the construction of an international airport here.

Land Transportation Franchising and Regulatory Board (LTFRB) Chairman Thomas Lantion told newsmen here that no less than President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo instructed DOTC to place the airport here.

LTFRB is one of the offices under DOTC, an agency headed by Secretary Leandro Mendoza.

Lantion accompanied Qatar Ambassador Abdulla Ahmedy A. Al-Mutawaa in a short visit to the Hundred Islands on Thursday.

“It (international airport) is being considered because it was mentioned by no less than her excellency President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo to the department as requested by the Mayor of Alaminos, Hernani Braganza,” Lantion said.

He said the project is expected to be part of the next national budget because Alaminos, the Hundred Islands in particular, had been pinpointed as a tourist destination in the North.

Lantion told newsmen because of this, Alaminos City will have a good chance of having the international airport.

He said the mandate of the DOTC is in support of tourism and agriculture, of which, Alaminos City is richly endowed with.
Lantion’s statement may have finally ended overtures by local political leaders that endorsed either Sta. Barbara or Lingayen as the alternative site of the airport. (PNA)

Fraulein

December 30th, 2007, 05:10 PM

For me, Philippine Airlines' livery still on the best because of it's identity of the airline na alam mo sa Pilipinas yun. Simplicity is beautiful pa rin.

Pero in a short time, Cebu Pacific's livery will be notice not only on the colors but also the design. It may be one of the beautiful Budget Airline aircraft. :)

a s i a n a

December 30th, 2007, 05:54 PM

I like the smell inside an airplane....lalo na sa PAL airbus...may perfume bang binibenta sa department stores that smells like airplane??? or is there a specific brand so that i can order online???

Anyway, I found this on youtube.....sana parang ganito ang advertisements ng PAL sa new 777s nila

9kbh-gns06k

I love that AC video. Ngayon ko lang nalaman na hindi pala computer generated lahat nang air-to-air videos ng mga planes. Was it really captured by a lear jet?! :lol:

---

NZPqTe_mkVs
What Korean Air Is Made Of

A cool ad, something different and classy.

Raven83

December 30th, 2007, 08:06 PM

Raven83

December 30th, 2007, 08:07 PM

^^ in the industry, CebPac's livery is called "Peach Mango Pie"

mwg12a

December 30th, 2007, 10:34 PM

brianmoon85

December 30th, 2007, 10:53 PM

^^why Korean?

because they are usually the best looking flight attendants with the one of the best service standards and the attendants provide superior service to the people on board unlike other airlines. However, JAL or Japan Airlines still tops in terms of customer service because it is the country of excellent custoemr service and second place for country of excellent customer service is Korea:banana::):lol:

a s i a n a

December 31st, 2007, 08:15 AM

^^^^^ Naloloko na talaga yang mga officials na yan. One of these days, international airports would be in every street corner around the Philippines just like malls sprawling all over the Philippines.. And for what? I'm sure its for more funding these officials will receive once there is an international airport category in the province...

Correct, for them it's quantity over quality. We should only have at least three international airports (MNL, CRK, CEB), and look at our supposed international airports: they don't even get enough funding for renovation.

brownman

December 31st, 2007, 11:20 AM

Theres already an existing airports in both San Fernando and Lingayen Area that can easily be developed,yet they are building another one. While some cities in the country are bleeding with their capacity limits.....:ohno:...a case of wrong priority again?

or plainly just a case of wasting money. i don't know what the hell they are thinking about.
tsk tsk tsk. :ohno:

jogavilz

December 31st, 2007, 11:31 AM

they're spending billions of pesos in making new "international airports". if this project pushes through, i hope it will not become a white elephant.

a s i a n a

December 31st, 2007, 05:56 PM

Are the Embraer 195 jets capable of landing in Caticlan?

AH-7Raja

December 31st, 2007, 09:28 PM

Cosco still keen on RP – Favila
By Ma. Elisa P. Osorio
Saturday, December 29, 2007
http://www.philstar.com/index.php?Business&p=49&type=2&sec=27&aid=200712286

The China Ocean Shipping Co. (COSCO) has not lost interest in investing billions of dollars in the Philippines, Trade Secretary Peter B. Favila said.

“COSCO is still interested to make the Philippines as its logistics hub in the region,” Favila said.

Favila was reacting to earlier reports that Cosco, which earlier proposed to invest $5 billion for a port in Sangley Point, will no longer invest their money in the country.

In November, Ambassador Francis, Chua special envoy on China trade and investments, said the project, which is expected to make the country a maritime power in the region, has been delayed as a result of the cancellation of the controversial broadband deal between the Philippine government and Chinese firm ZTE Corp.

Favila himself admitted that COSCO has not been in contact with him for months.

When asked if this is enough indication that COSCO has lost interest in investing in the country, Favila said “let me put it this way, all businessmen who would like to invest here talk to me constantly.”

The COSCO investment was first made public in May.

Initially, Cosco wanted to construct a modern port at the Navy headquarters in Cavite. Its initial plans include the development of a 250-hectare land in Sangley Point where they would put up a “marine school to train maritime sailors.”

“They will be using the Philippines as a hub for shipment to Europe and America, so all cargo from Asia will come to the Philippines, using the Philippines as a staging point to go to US, North America, Europe and vice versa,” Chua said.

He added that Cosco’s facility is expected to generate about 100,000 jobs, particularly for the country’s seafarers.

Founded in 1961 as the pioneer international shipping carrier in China, Cosco has grown into a $17-billion global company. It owns and operates 600 various types of ships operating in 1,300 ports in more than 160 countries and regions worldwide.

I wonder if they did some renderings already, i know its still early though, because i made my own illustration again of how it may look.

Both Cosco, the Sangley Naval Base, and the added proposal of new Manila Int'l Airport are shown below.

http://a401.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/98/l_06316966fa060cd0d321fb5763a7f708.jpg

That is my ambitious plan. :)

AH-7Raja

December 31st, 2007, 11:34 PM

This is what we gonna do to NAIA, once we build a new replacement.

NAIA will become a new commercial district, residential, and some industrial complex.

http://a658.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/107/l_8761ddc69eedd85e00e375a7827217e9.jpg

:cheers:

a s i a n a

January 1st, 2008, 09:28 AM

More airlines introducing beds (http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/12/20/america/NA-FEA-TRV-Airline-Beds.php)
The Associated Press
Published: December 20, 2007

NEW YORK: In some ways, Andy Abramson's morning routine is typical: He shaves, brushes his teeth and combs his hair before slipping on some nice slacks and a shirt for a meeting with a client.

But what's not typical about Abramson's routine is that he isn't doing any of this in his Del Mar, California home. He's preparing for a day of meetings aboard one of several commercial airlines that promises to provide all the comforts of home, including a good night's sleep.

Call it the evolution of first class, or a return to the days when flying was glamourous, but an increasing number of airlines are offering flat-bed seats to business and/or first-class international passengers.

Unlike lie-flat seats, which are angled, flat-bed seats recline to a full 180 degrees. The bed dimensions vary depending on the airline: Virgin Atlantic's seat length is 79.5 inches (202 centimeters); British Airways is 72 inches (183 centimeters) in business class and 78 inches (198 centimeters) in first class.

"I'm 6-foot-tall (1.83-meter-tall), and I feel comfortable in it," said Abramson, who is CEO of an international marketing company. "I'm able to sleep flat out without having to curl my toes or bend my knees. Whenever I take a West Coast London flight, I usually spend half to two-thirds of the flight asleep, more than I get at home. It sure makes it easier if you have to get off the plane and you want to be functional."

Of course, a bed on an airplane is not a new idea. In the 1930s, Pan Am's Clippers, which took off from the water, had berths that folded down into beds. Post-World War II, the airline's Boeing 377 Stratocruisers offered sleeper seats. In the '80s, Japan Airlines and Philippine Airlines had spiral staircases leading to an upper deck of curtained off beds aboard their 747s. Eventually the beds were eliminated.

But because of deregulation and increased competition, the economics of the airline industry changed, said Dan Petree, dean of the College of Business at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University. It became much more difficult to allocate spending space on beds over seats, he said.

"I think now we're seeing attempts by airlines to differentiate their brands, to try to create additional value in terms of the service they provide their customers," he said. "I think that's one of the reasons we are seeing this tendency to pay attention to the relatively high-margin business flier."

British Airways was the first in 1996 to put in flat-bed seats for first class passengers, and in 2000 for British Airways' business class, called Club World. Other airlines followed, including South African Airways, Virgin Atlantic, Air Canada, Cathay Pacific and Singapore Airlines. (Several other airlines have the angled lie-flat seats).

U.S. carriers, set back because of financial troubles, are trying to catch up.

United Airlines became the first U.S. carrier last month to offer flat-bed seats in international business cabins. Delta is planning to begin introducing flat-bed seats in business class starting next year. And American is continuing to replace some of its business-class seats with angled lie-flat seats.

"The challenge for the airline is that when you are completely flat, you are taking up more space on the plane and can't fit as many of these on the plane," said Matt Daimler, founder of SeatGuru.com. "Lie-flat (angled) seats allow them to get a good number of seats on the plane and still offer more comfort."

The perks of airborne beds go beyond peaceful sleep. Singapore Airlines' new Airbus A380 has suites with double beds, sliding doors, wardrobes and window blinds. Virgin Atlantic offers its Upper Class, or business class, passengers ground transportation, in-flight massages, and a clubhouse at the airport where they can shower, dine and check e-mail.

"The private suites we seeing from airlines like Singapore are essentially condos in the clouds," said Robert Buckman, director of airline distribution strategies for Amadeus North America. "The sleeping arrangements and other amenities go well beyond the lie-flat seating option, but so does the price. These private suites are designed to attract a certain type of luxury or very VIP traveler looking for a very exclusive travel experience."

Fueling the demand for lie-flat beds is competition between the airlines for premium passengers, more valuable to an airline than coach passengers. First class/business class international tickets can cost thousands of dollars more.

Over the years, sitting up front became a place for a person with lots of miles who wanted more leg room and free alcohol, said George Hoffer, economics professor at Virginia Commonwealth University. So it became hard for passengers and companies to spend thousands of dollars without feeling like they were getting a lot more for their money.

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Owner and Union Can't Agree on Saving Carrier : 'Everything Is Over,' as Philippine Airlines Shuts Down (http://www.iht.com/articles/1998/09/24/pal.t_4.php)
By Don Kirk
Published: THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 24, 1998

Philippine Airlines, the oldest carrier in Asia, went out of business at midnight Wednesday after 11th-hour talks mediated by the government failed to resolve differences between the Philippines' richest man and its toughest labor union.

Still brandishing its slogan, "Asia's sunniest airline," Philippine Airlines Inc. flew its final outbound flight into the sunset over Manila Bay in a farewell to a nation it had first served more than a half-century ago, before the Japanese conquest of the Philippines at the outset of World War II.

As the midnight deadline in the negotiations to save the airline approached, the enormousness of the consequences of ending a service that seemed essential to binding the Philippines' 8,000 islands and scores of linguistic and cultural groupings began to grip the nation. Television networks broadcast live reports from Ninoy Aquino Airport, serving Manila, and officials talked of "emergency" plans to hold the country together.

The impression was that nothing could adequately replace the airline that flew, with tremendous financial losses, not merely to other major destinations but to dozens of provincial capitals that now would have to rely on slow-moving ferry boats as their only links to the rest of the country.

President Joseph Estrada admitted failure in his efforts to bring Lucio Tan, the self-made billionaire who controlled the carrier, to terms with leaders of the union representing the airline's 7,000 employees.

Declaring he had "exhausted all remedies," Mr. Estrada said, "Everything is over, PAL is closed."

Mr. Tan, who took over the flagship carrier in a bitter, protracted battle several years ago, refused to relent in his final offer requiring workers to agree to suspend collective bargaining for 10 years in return for a 20 percent stake in the airline.

Leaders of both the company and the union said the talking was over, although no one dismissed the possibility of sale of a portion of the airline to a new company.

There was also the possibility of violence erupting in an atmosphere of bitter recriminations over the failure of last-minute talks.

"We will take legal or extralegal action to protect the interests of the union members," said Gerry Rivera, vice president of the Philippine Airlines Employees Association.

In the rough and tumble of Philippine politics, observers in Manila said, it was impossible to say that negotiations had ended for good.

"Anything can happen in secret talks," said Thomas Diethelm, a veteran Manila correspondent for Swiss Broadcasting Corp. But, he added, "It doesn't look good."

After a sendoff that mingled songs and tears and anger over the demise of Asia's oldest airline, the final outbound flight, packed with 381 passengers, flew to Los Angeles and San Francisco.

While the plane was still eight hours from its destination, another plane arrived from Tokyo via Cebu, in the central Philippines, disgorging disbelieving, weeping crew members and passengers.

Three hours later, the airline closed its doors.

"We may never fly this way again," sang Alfred Magbanua, the pilot on the final flight into Manila, as he stepped off his Airbus A330, to the tune of "We May Never Love Like This Again," and government officials agreed.

There was no way, said the presidential spokesman, Jerry Barican, that the government would take over the airline, which it auctioned off as a lost cause in 1992.

"There is no money for it," he said. "It seems to be a bottomless pit."

By the time it shut down, the airline was $2.1 billion in debt with only 14 of its 52 planes in flying condition.

For the Philippines, the demise of its national airline is one of the most wrenching financial catastrophes in Asia since the economic crisis began to hit the region in earnest a year ago.

Mr. Tan, who made most of his billions from a company called Fortune Tobacco during the Marcos era, battled to take control of Philippine Airlines as a prestige entity that he believed he could turn into a money-maker. Promising that PAL would soon become the greatest airline in Asia, he announced a $4 billion expansion plan two years ago.

His dream vanished, however, when it became clear that the Philippines, like Thailand, Malaysia and Indonesia, would become a victim of the Asian financial crisis.

PAL has also had to fight a strong labor movement that staged a 22-day pilots' strike in June. Government officials have asserted that former Communist agitators influenced the union.

In the minutes before midnight, the government announced that the air force would handle shipment of vital supplies, including medical equipment, using its six cargo planes. But an official admitted that three of the six could not fly.

^^What could've happened if this pre-mature demise really came true? Cathay flying Philippine flag?:)

anonymous_filipino

January 1st, 2008, 10:16 AM

^^ what a great plan and vision, but unfortunately, sorry AH-7Raja, your vision will not materialize as in the first place, the Ramos gov't already designated DMIA as the future premier airport of Manila and of the country and Pres. GMA wants that vision of the Ramos gov't to materialize during her term. as what i understand of COSCO on their plans for Sangley Point, they want Sangley Point to be a seaport hub with a supporting cargo airport

Raven83

January 1st, 2008, 10:37 AM

^^ Even with government designation of premier airport hub, the law of supply and demand will still prevail. Investment in Sangley point of Cosco does include an airport and will surely be worth it if indeed constructed. The proximity to Manila CBD's and affluent Southern Suburbs of Manila will surely make it as a traveller's choice airport....

diz

January 1st, 2008, 10:44 AM

^^ WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU!!! I ALMOST FAINTED AFTER I READ THAT TITLE.!

Chrisvenz

January 1st, 2008, 11:16 AM

FOR GOD SAKE!! Akala ko bago lang yan, sh#t tagal na pla... :nuts:

kiretoce

January 1st, 2008, 12:27 PM

mwg12a

January 1st, 2008, 01:14 PM

^^ That's delusion of Grandeur more or less...

^^ what a great plan and vision, but unfortunately, sorry AH-7Raja, your vision will not materialize as in the first place, the Ramos gov't already designated DMIA as the future premier airport of Manila and of the country and Pres. GMA wants that vision of the Ramos gov't to materialize during her term. as what i understand of COSCO on their plans for Sangley Point, they want Sangley Point to be a seaport hub with a supporting cargo airport

Hell NO!!! This is arroyo's second term, even if she wins 3rd in a transitional federal government, she won't see DMIA as the major gateway in Luzon. For one thing, the highway and rail system isn't in place yet and even if they are, before all these projects could materialize? It will take 20 years to finish all in all, they have to do plan and construct it almost all together, from a new airport terminal, connecting highway and rail system, who among the people from the souther luzon would travel more than 3 hours to Clark to catch their 6 am flights ? They should push through with developing DMIA but having Sangley development is also beneficial to the filipino people....

a s i a n a

January 1st, 2008, 02:33 PM

le Reine

January 1st, 2008, 04:45 PM

^^I agree.

Raven83

January 1st, 2008, 04:54 PM

^^ No no it was fine..Though I must admit I was shocked myself, but great to see that artice and reminds us of the past:okay: letche that was ten years ago na pala noh? remind me of my age:ohno::lol::lol:

jogavilz

January 1st, 2008, 05:18 PM

i can still remember my father having a problem on how to get to manila during the PAL shutdown. dati ang destinations ng PAL abot as far as newark, london, rome sa mabuhay magazine, after the shutdown los angeles, san francisco, hong kong na lang......pero ngayon at least nakarecover na sila.....may magandang future ang PAL.

jogavilz

January 1st, 2008, 05:29 PM

Asia's Sunniest had already set, but it has risen once again to face a new morning and continue shining through the future.......:colgate:

le Reine

January 1st, 2008, 05:37 PM

^^wow, endorser ng PAL :lol:

a s i a n a

January 1st, 2008, 06:46 PM

mambo

January 1st, 2008, 06:54 PM

uestion lang... does anybody knows how many flights thai airways BKK/MNL , last oct while going back to RUH saw two of TG planes taking off, i know CX has several flights daily HKG/MNL

AH-7Raja

January 1st, 2008, 08:44 PM

relax people i never said its gonna happen :bash:

i said that is my ambitious plan, and i meant it as my dream, or more like a wish list. that is only a big IF we built a new replacement for naia then we will see this conversion thingies...

:cheers:

swahi

January 2nd, 2008, 02:13 AM

gen1

January 2nd, 2008, 03:20 AM

^^ i think that is par for course for all of the airlines. Not the airlines fault kasi.

The only time I was given free accomodations was on a cancelled flight tacloban-manila on pal. they let us stay at asia stars at tacloban.

bad trip kasi I had a business meeting the next day and i wouldn't have time to prepare

a s i a n a

January 2nd, 2008, 04:29 AM

uestion lang... does anybody knows how many flights thai airways BKK/MNL , last oct while going back to RUH saw two of TG planes taking off, i know CX has several flights daily HKG/MNL

Thai has two non-stop flights MNL-BKK:

http://www.staralliance.com/assets/adm_img/airlines/logo_TG_22x22.gifTG620 & 621 Daily except Saturday Aircraft: 772
http://www.staralliance.com/assets/adm_img/airlines/logo_TG_22x22.gifTG624 & 625 Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Sunday Aircraft: AB6

ericlucky290

January 2nd, 2008, 05:41 AM

Plane overshoots runway in Masbate--airline

INQUIRER.net, Agence France-Presse
First Posted 09:35am (Mla time) 01/02/2008

MANILA, Philippines--A plane with 47 people on board overshot the runway at an airport in Masbate Wednesday, the airline said.

The Asian Spirit aircraft skidded to the edge of the airstrip after apparently encountering strong winds on landing, company vice president Rodolfo Garcia said.

The 43 passengers and four crew were evacuated from the plane shaken but unharmed, he said, adding that tests would be carried out on the aircraft.

Asian Spirit services domestic routes in the Philippines and is popular among budget travellers, including foreign backpackers travelling to see the scenic countryside.

habagatcentral1

January 2nd, 2008, 05:47 AM

^^ Another overshooting incident. Good thing that they're unharmed. What was the plane that overshot the runway earlier?

brownman

January 2nd, 2008, 06:08 AM

brownman

January 2nd, 2008, 06:43 AM

Btw, does KLM still have their route MNL-AMS?

ianers_ianized

January 2nd, 2008, 07:19 AM

I smile whenever I see a PR plane, don't know why, but I do. :colgate:

Its because the sun logo of PAL is like smiling... as if it smiles back at you whenever you look at it... Don't you agree w/ me?

a s i a n a

January 2nd, 2008, 08:13 AM

Btw, does KLM still have their route MNL-AMS?

Yes brownman, and it's a daily 772 service.

And also brownman, we shouldn't judge Asian Spirit on their planes. Thank God and they, together with SEAir, are serving destinations with airports not capable of jets. Ferries aren't that safe anymore.:)

Chrisvenz

January 2nd, 2008, 08:51 AM

Asia's Sunniest had already set, but it has risen once again to face a new morning and continue shining through the future.......:colgate:

cool.. ahahah keep up the good work.. bka kunin ka na ng pal niyan. meron kang future pre... ahihihi:lol:

Chrisvenz

January 2nd, 2008, 08:55 AM

^^Sorry, it was an interesting archive story I believe. Really sorry.:( I don't know if SSC prohibits posting of archive articles. But I put there the date it was published in International Herald Tribune.

its okay asiana... shock lang ako... ist good that you post it, reading at it makes me teary, though PAL achieve more than any other airlines in the world... GOOD JOB!:)

Chrisvenz

January 2nd, 2008, 01:30 PM

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1060/pal2jf1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

kailan naging slogan ng PAL yan???

richard24

January 2nd, 2008, 01:33 PM

http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryID=104112

A total of 237 passengers were stranded when an airline cancelled its flights on Tuesday due to bad weather.

ABS-CBN’s late night newscast Bandila reported that bad weather prompted the Cebu Pacific to cancel its Kalibo-Manila flight on Tuesday afternoon.

The airline’s flight 5J 343 which took off around 3 p.m. from the Manila Domestic Airport had to turn back when the pilot could not land the plane at the Kalibo airport due to bad weather.

The flight was carrying 87 passengers, reports said.

The same plane was also supposed to bring back 150 passengers, now stranded in Kalibo, back to Manila.

Cebu Pacific said it is making an extra flight on Wednesday morning to accommodate the passengers.

The plane will leave Manila at 8:35 a.m. and will depart Kalibo at 10:05 a.m.

The airline said it is their company policy not to provide accommodations to stranded passengers if the reason for the cancellation is due to force majeure such as bad weather.

i was part of the 150 in Kalibo., :)

it was the worst experience., if it wasnt for the other passengers who contacted the media, we would have been stuck in kalibo forever,.

the CEBU PACIFIC KALIBO MANAGER, Julian Rabe, was the most unprofessional airline manager i have ever seen., sumasagot siya sa mga pasahero... tsk tsk tsk.,(we have a video of this) and the worst part is., mga bandang 9pm siya dumating and he told us that CEBU PACIFIC cannot PROVIDE ANY FLIGHTS for us., not that day, not the next day., NOT ANYDAY., which means all 150+ passengers were considered CHANCE PASSENGERS... (all flights out of Kalibo are booked until jan 7)after that mejo nandilim yung paningin ko., ako ang unang pasaherong nagmura at at sumigaw ng sobrang lakas sa mukha niya., then he told me.. "kahit sumigaw ka diyan, hindi ka makakaalis dito"..., :) how nice?!? :)

the stupid manager even told us to go back to Caticlan and catch a plane there, or ride the RORO instead, but NO REIMBURSEMENTS. THEY WERE NOT GOING TO SHOULDER ANYTHING,. (c'mon!! don't give us suggestions or options that you won't even pay for!) so basically, WE DIDN'T hAve a choice... their office in MANILA already decided at that time NOT TO GIVE ANY FLIGHT TO THE STRANDED PASSEGERS (that came directly from the mouth of that manager)

at that moment, some of the passengers (including my cousin's BF and my sister) were already calling ABS CBN and GMA..., when the manager knew this., he went out the departure lounge and left us., then when he came back., poof! we had a flight!

PS: they did not pay for the hotel in Kalibo., :)
and while we were waiting in the airport, they did not provide ANYTHING., ni katiting na piraso ng mani... wala., :)

(and oh., before i forget..., wala pang 5 minutes bago mag i announce na kinancel yung flight namin, lumapag sa kalibo ang asian spirit., (with a smaller craft., ) :)

Chrisvenz

January 2nd, 2008, 01:39 PM

i was part of the 150 in Kalibo., :)

it was the worst experience., if it wasnt for the other passengers who contacted the media, we would have been stuck in kalibo forever,.

the CEBU PACIFIC KALIBO MANAGER, Julian Rabe, was the most unprofessional airline manager i have ever seen., sumasagot siya sa mga pasahero... tsk tsk tsk.,(we have a video of this) and the worst part is., mga bandang 9pm siya dumating and he told us that CEBU PACIFIC cannot PROVIDE ANY FLIGHTS for us., not that day, not the next day., NOT ANYDAY., which means all 150+ passengers were considered CHANCE PASSENGERS... (all flight out of Kalibo are booked until jan 7)after that mejo nandilim yung paningin ko., ako ang unang pasaherong nagmura at at sumigaw ng sobrang lakas sa mukha niya., then he told me.. "kahit sumigaw ka diyan, hindi ka makakaalis dito"..., :) how nice?!? :)

the stupid manager even told us to go back to Caticlan and catch a plane there, or ride the RORO instead, but NO REIMBURSEMENTS. THEY WERE NOT GOING TO SHOULDER ANYTHING,. (c'mon!! don't give us suggestions or options that you won't even pay for!) so basically, WE DIDN'T hAve a choice... their office in MANILA already decided at that time NOT TO GIVE ANY FLIGHT TO THE STRANDED PASSEGERS (that came directly from the mouth of that manager)

at that moment, some of the passengers (including my cousin's BF and my sister) were already calling ABS CBN and GMA..., when the manager knew this., he went out the departure lounge and left us., then when he came back., poof! we had a flight!

PS: they did not pay for the hotel in Kalibo., :)

Nangyari na rin yan sa passengers ng Zamboanga, when 5j aircraft has a problem. The Cebu Pacific authority and MCIAA treat the passengers like a TERRORISTS!!! imagine that! meron pang military na surrounded sa mga passengers na stranded sa MCIA:ohno:

Kahit hindi problema ng CEBPAC ang nangyari, they should be gentle nmn sana sa passengers and talk like a HUMAN to the passengers not like ANIMAL na parang walang pinagaralan.

le Reine

January 2nd, 2008, 01:40 PM

@Richard: oh my, what a scary experience. If that happens to me, I don't know what I'm going to do.

richard24

January 2nd, 2008, 01:51 PM

^^ kaya nga hindi ko na rin kinaya., kinaylangan ko na talagang murahin yung manager lalo na nung sinabi niya na "THE BOX ENDS HERE" when we asked him if we could talk to someone higher than him that could help us., :) hahaha., iba talaga ang mga corporasyon na to., walang kinakatakutan kundi media lang., :)

mwg12a

January 2nd, 2008, 01:52 PM

@ Richard^^^^^ I am not trying to defend Cebu Pacific group my friend, I surely won't benefit from it, that's for sure, but??? Guess what? It's still called no-frill, Low cost airline company. Before you guys bought a ticket or two from the travel agent, you should of asked around first or did some research on the airline companies polices and actual services. There are little details that companies don't brandish on their customer's faces but they also made sure they wrote it in fine little lines in contract or tickets you bought. You can't compare CebPac with PAL for that same reason, CebPa is a low coast company. Allegiant Air in America offers the same deal, you get the cheap rate or airfare and when you are not able to use it or if something happens, they will not provide for you or refund your money. In Used car sales, it's called "AS IS" which means you get only what you paid for without extras, anything more, you have to pay for it. I symphatize with your dilemna and frustrations but, what can you do???? I was thinking that manager has been hearing from every passenger's complaints so, when it was your turn to yell on him, things snowballed, he knows and was confident that there are hidden contracts in purchasing tickets with CEbPa and he knew he can prove to win his battle. He could of been a bit more polite if he was indeed rude to customers...

jogavilz

January 2nd, 2008, 01:52 PM

year 2000 ata yan kasi may calendar pa sila dati na b747-200 ang nafeature. yun din ang slogan nila after asia's sunniest

jogavilz

January 2nd, 2008, 01:54 PM

Nangyari na rin yan sa passengers ng Zamboanga, when 5j aircraft has a problem. The Cebu Pacific authority and MCIAA treat the passengers like a TERRORISTS!!! imagine that! meron pang military na surrounded sa mga passengers na stranded sa MCIA:ohno:

Kahit hindi problema ng CEBPAC ang nangyari, they should be gentle nmn sana sa passengers and talk like a HUMAN to the passengers not like ANIMAL na parang walang pinagaralan.

mabuti pa ang PAL, they gave us free hotel and free breakfast dati....

mwg12a

January 2nd, 2008, 01:56 PM

Like I said, PAL is a regular full service airline company while CebPac it's an LCC,

jogavilz

January 2nd, 2008, 01:57 PM

Chrisvenz

January 2nd, 2008, 02:04 PM

mabuti pa ang PAL, they gave us free hotel and free breakfast dati....

mas okay pa ang PAL than CEBPAC, kahit LCC and CEBPAC they should provide the quality service and respect to the passengers... That's the problem eh, kaya and pinas di umaasenso... Kulang sa SERVICE.:ohno:

Chrisvenz

January 2nd, 2008, 02:07 PM

ahh, nice... pero mas gusto ko pa ang slogan nila SHINING THROUGH PHILIPPINE AIRLINES... mas sweet pakingan...:)^^

anonymous_filipino

January 2nd, 2008, 02:08 PM

^^ That's delusion of Grandeur more or less...

Hell NO!!! This is arroyo's second term, even if she wins 3rd in a transitional federal government, she won't see DMIA as the major gateway in Luzon. For one thing, the highway and rail system isn't in place yet and even if they are, before all these projects could materialize? It will take 20 years to finish all in all, they have to do plan and construct it almost all together, from a new airport terminal, connecting highway and rail system, who among the people from the souther luzon would travel more than 3 hours to Clark to catch their 6 am flights ? They should push through with developing DMIA but having Sangley development is also beneficial to the filipino people....

i did not say that it will be finish during GMA's term. what i mean is that she wants the DMIA dev't to jumpstart during her term so she can leave a legacy to her fellow cabalens...

richard24

January 2nd, 2008, 02:09 PM

mwg12a

January 2nd, 2008, 02:13 PM

^^^^ I see, good to know. Looks like she is still not gonna see any headstart on that development in her remaining two years in the office except the add on in the current terminal building. Surely, there is nothing yet with the highway and rail system to Clark from the Nation's capital. The Philippine government is still eyeballing on who would finance the construction of all the infrastructure leading to the materialization of dream gateway to the Philippines, I can see why? The Frapports mishap can cause investors to shy away in engaging business with the Phil gov.

jogavilz

January 2nd, 2008, 02:14 PM

mwg12a

January 2nd, 2008, 02:27 PM

^^^ Usually the option of the airline companies is to book the passengers to another airlines, they knew they will be at loss on that aspect since they will have to pay for you guy's fare in full regular airline prices. Surely they can't overload their aircrafts the only option is to send a spare aircraft to pick up all the stranded passengers and that may take some time as well not to mention money also, you're only option is to stay in a hotel which obviously they won't provide, that really put you into a tight situation. If they put you on the current available flights, those ones especifically booked would lodge complaints. NEXT TIME GO PAL...LOL

mwg12a

January 2nd, 2008, 02:28 PM

^^^ you'd be a dead duck that's for sure!!!! IN Pinoy, PATAY KANG BATA KA!!LMAO

richard24

January 2nd, 2008, 02:57 PM

^^ some of the passengers suggested that.., :) pero ang sabi ng napakagaling na manager ng CEBU PACIFIC KALIBO na si Julian Rabe, "hindi yan mangyayari"...

ang option lang na binigay nila samin is either wait for a few days in kalibo as a chance passenger or find another means of transpo., may video nito cousin ko., :) the manager said, that statement came from their office in Manila., kaya nagsitawag na ng Media yung passengers., kaya syempre nung tinawagan ng abs-cbn & gma ang cebu pacific, na pressure sila na bigyan kami ng flight., :)

at times like this., sobrang natutuwa ako sa media., :)

jogavilz

January 2nd, 2008, 03:15 PM

ipakita mo kay mike enriquez or kay julius babao kasi iba talaga kung napilitan na silang bigyan kayo ng flights dahil sa media. mas maganda kasi kung from the heart talaga ang decision na bigyan kayo ng flights... opinyon lang po

mambo

January 2nd, 2008, 03:43 PM

Yet another incident of overshooting. It really freaks me out whenever I hear knews like this. Considering it's Asian Spirit I believe it's one of their crappy planes again. That's scary. :ohno:

the plane for sure is not equip with cross wind or wind shear landing instruments, the airport is also ill equip to help plane navigate in this kind of situation, but this type of landing seldoms occurs and its really unfortunate

anonymous_filipino

January 2nd, 2008, 04:32 PM

^^ actually the highway from Manila to DMIA is almost done. Phase 1 (NLEx rehabilitation) is complete while Phase 2 (SCTEx) is almost done and will be opening in March..

RhapsodyBrat

January 2nd, 2008, 04:32 PM

Any latest developments here? Because some says the chinese backed off!

As you know there are conflicting reports that some kuwaiti companies wanted to build an airport somewhere 20 km away from manila, plus these chinese who also wanted to develop sangley point.

my mom teaches at Sangley Elementary School, inside the base, and so far no development has taken place. noong una may pumupunta pa raw na mga truck ng COSCO pero ngayon wala na. the talk now is that COSCO has backed out and has chosen to concentrate on Subic instead.

gen1

January 2nd, 2008, 04:39 PM

ang option lang na binigay nila samin is either wait for a few days in kalibo as a chance passenger or find another means of transpo., may video nito cousin ko., :) the manager said, that statement came from their office in Manila.,

mali naman cebupacific dyan. hindi kayo dapat gawing chance passenger. sinapak mo sana yung manager.

richard24

January 2nd, 2008, 04:42 PM

^^ kawawa naman., minura ko nalang., :) hehehe.,

Crazy4Airplanes

January 2nd, 2008, 04:55 PM

hay. kaya ako, i'd rather pay extra. I'd never ride a low cost airline. At least with full service airline, everything is clearer, simpler, nicer and smoother, and you are taken care of. Anyway konti lang naman ang difference. Magbabayad nalang ako ng extra kesa naman atakihin ako ng high blood ko sa kakakausap sa manager na yun kung mangyari man sa akin yun. Anyways ang difference lang naman ng PAL and CEB is around 1000 to 1500. pag inatake ako ng high blood, kulang pa yon sa ambulansya pagsugod ko sa ospital.

gen1

January 2nd, 2008, 04:57 PM

This is the fine print in the E-Tickets of Cebu Pacific. I think it's arguable that they should give you compensation if they fail to deliver the passenger within 3 hours of schedule arrival at the destination. (And this is on top of taking you to your destination)

Will check the CAB Regulation #7 to make sure. I travel domestic extensively and exclusively via cebupacific because of the ease in making online ticket purchases (and they're really cheap). pero kung sinabihan ako ng katulad ng sinabi kay richard24 sapakin ko talaga yung manager.

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d. Denied Boarding Compensation (CAB Economic Regulation No. 7) – A guest with confirmed reservation who cannot be accommodated despite compliance with Carrier’s requirements shall be paid the full value of the remaining coupon of his ticket plus P150.00 as liquidated damages, thereby relieving Carrier from liability, provided the guest complies with Carrier’s procedures. There shall be no compensation if (1) the inability to accommodate the guest was due to Government requisitioning space for the flight; (2) the aircraft was substituted for one of lesser capacity for operational/safety reasons, or other causes beyond the control of Carrier; (3) the flight is canceled due to operational/safety reasons, force majeure, weather, strikes, or other causes beyond the control of Carrier; or (4) Carrier arranges for comparable air transportation, enabling the guest to arrive at his at the destination within three hours from scheduled arrival time on the flight where the guest holds confirmed reservation

Crazy4Airplanes

January 2nd, 2008, 05:07 PM

mDNl2HzNqbI
Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDNl2HzNqbI)
video by kenneth03extreme
fireworks in the middle of the video

ano kaya ang mangyari kapag may nagpaputok malapit sa runway ng naia tapos may maglanding or magtake-off na plane????

^^^ I like that. When the the FA said "Thank you for flying Asia's First, Philippine Airlines. Mabuhay and Maraming salamat Po!!" Sana palaging ganyan sinasabi ng PAL.

Raven83

January 2nd, 2008, 05:16 PM

Uminit ang ulo sa nangyari kay Richard,kung ako yun nagmarka na yung suelas ng sapatos ko sa mukha ning manager dun sa kalibo. Haven't they heard of passenger's right of carriage?. It's given that LCC's have no food,reduced perks,no hotel in case of cancellation. (that makes them an LCC anyway) Pero yung gawin kayong chance passenger? or them not making a special flight for stranded pax is indeed to much. Profit to sales ratio of LCC's are already wide in comparison to Legacy carriers so it wouldn't hurt if they give a little bit of consideration to their passengers. Besides CebPac tickets aren't really that cheap. I mean try to book a flight to Hong Kong anyday next month and PAL's online price will still be lower.

Sa Air Phil pag nangyari yan kahit humiram pa sila ng eroplano sa PAL susunduin at susunduin nila yung pasahero nila. A friend of mine who got stranded in Davao on 2P even got an B Class upgrade because the economy class cabin is already full (well according to him around 30+ 2P pax were there) and since ground staff is trying to save time. They didn't bother to upgrade a PAL pax to B, instead vacant B seats were just given to several 2P pax. Take that 5J!

Richard since you guys are doing this blog stuff anyway,why don't you start a website or blog documenting Cebu Pacific's treatment of Passengers the way some former PAX of ryanair did.link (http://www.ryanaircampaign.org/) Though until now ryanair do not provide hotel services to stranded passengers. at least they already opened a proper complaint system and some modification to their services...

BOB-bXu

January 2nd, 2008, 05:43 PM

Early morning Airbuses of PAL and Cebu Pacific, Butuan Airport
PAL have just parked in from Manila while Cebu Pacific just planed in from Cebu

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j97/boybleauxx/Butuan007.jpg?t=1199257864

http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j97/boybleauxx/Butuan008.jpg?t=1199257917

bustero

January 2nd, 2008, 06:08 PM

^^What could've happened if this pre-mature demise really came true? Cathay flying Philippine flag?:)

I wonder many times if this would not have just been better for Philippine aviation and tourism.

AH-7Raja

January 2nd, 2008, 06:17 PM

finally... thanks rhapsodybrat!

kiretoce

January 2nd, 2008, 11:45 PM

Pilot shortage threatens air transportation (http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page=business3_jan1_2008)

A shortage of highly trained pilots threatens the continuous growth of the global air transport industry, according to the International Air Transport Association.

The Geneva-based association estimated that the industry might need 17,000 new pilots annually because of the expected industry growth and retirements.

“Increasing the retirement age to 65 will help but it can’t be the only solution. It’s time to ring the warning bell. We must re-think pilot training and qualification to further improve safety and increase training capacity,” said IATA director general and chief exectuvie Giovanni Bisignani.

The IATA estimated that by 2011, the number of air passenger will exceed 2.75 billion and the world’s airlines will move 36 million tons of air cargo.

“That’s 620 million more passengers and 7.5 million more tons of cargo than the industry handled in 2006,” the association said.

Despite the growth in passengers and cargo, the IATA predicted that the global industry profit would slow to $5 billion in 2008 from around $5.6 billion in 2007, amid high oil prices.

In 2007, the industry estimated to have experienced a 5.9 percent growth in passenger traffic and 8.4 percent growth in revenues, but oil prices were seen at $73 per barrel.

“For the first time since 2000, we are profitable. That is good news, representing a lot of hard work by airlines. Since 2001, non-fuel unit costs dropped 16 percent, labor productivity is up 64 percent and sales and marketing unit costs decreased 25 percent. But with a 1.1 percent margin, the bottom line is still peanuts,” Bisignani said.

In 2008, the association said the spike in fuel prices was expected to add $14 billion to the industry fuel bill, driving it up to $149 billion, based on an average price of $78 per barrel.

The broadening impact of the credit crunch is also expected to slow revenue growth to 4.7 percent and traffic growth to 4.0 percent.

Amid the revenue slowdown, Philippine carriers, however, expect modest expansion in 2008, led by expanding tourism sector that anticipates 5 million foreign guests by 2010.

kiretoce

January 2nd, 2008, 11:46 PM

Philippine Airlines and Air Philippines expect modest 2008 expansion (http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page=business3_dec31_2007)

Philippine Airlines and its sister company, budget carrier Air Philippines, which are both owned by taipan Lucio Tan, expect modest expansion in 2008, despite forecasts of a downturn in the global airline industry.

“Both PAL and Air Philippines are looking to strengthen themselves with modest fleet and route-network build-ups in 2008, despite predictions by the International Air Transport Association of a dip in industry earnings due to higher fuel prices,” the airlines said in a joint statement.

Citing data from the Civil Aeronautics Board, the two airlines said they jointly dominated the competitive domestic air transport market in 2007.

The two airlines noted that from Jan. 1 to Dec. 21 this year, they carried over five million passengers on domestic routes.

This translated to a market-leading share of 53.8 percent during the period, compared with the 4.3 million passengers carried and 46.2 percent share of the Gokongwei-owned budget carrier Cebu Pacific.

“The market lead was more pronounced during the first three weeks of December, the peak Christmas-holiday travel period, when PAL and Air Philippines carried a combined 319,895 passengers for a sizable 55.5 percent stake,” the Tan-owned airlines said.

The PAL-Air Philippines alliance also flew an aggregate of 6.46 million seats on 31 domestic routes in 2007, accounting for 55 percent of total capacity.

Cebu Pacific flew 5.24 million seats for 2007, comprising 45 percent of total capacity for the year.

The PAL-Air Philippines alliance has a combined fleet of 46 narrow- and wide-body aircraft operating an average of 1,246 flights a week to 58 destinations in the country, and across 13 nations and territories.

Air Philippines recently launched turbo-prop commuter flights between Manila and Caticlan (Boracay).

PAL and Air Philippines said they were looking to strengthen themselves in 2008 with modest fleet and route-network build-ups.

PAL is coming off a banner year in 2007, when it declared its largest-ever profit of $140.3 million, for the 2006-2007 fiscal year.

It capped the year off by reaping “Airline Turnaround of the Year” honors at international aviation awards derbies.

a s i a n a

January 3rd, 2008, 05:21 AM

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/1060/pal2jf1.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

kailan naging slogan ng PAL yan???
During the October 1998 recovery of PAL.

a s i a n a

January 3rd, 2008, 10:01 AM

Emirates’ first A380 ‘will jet to JFK’ (http://www.business24-7.ae/cs/article_show_mainh1_story.aspx?HeadlineID=357)
by Sue Brattle on Friday,December 21,2007

http://www.business24-7.ae/uploads/22.12.07/P4-B2-Article.jpg

Emirates airline will use its new super-jumbo Airbus A380 (pictured above) on the Dubai-New York route from October 1 next year, according to the industry’s global booking system. The 500-seater aircraft is scheduled to take over on the EK201 and EK202 flights to JFK Airport on that day, fuelling speculation Emirates has chosen New York as the aircraft’s first destination.

Emirates, which has 58 A380s on order, has hinted in the past Sydney, Melbourne and London Heathrow are frontrunners for the Airbus launch. But industry website Air Transport Intelligence reported yesterday the Airbus is listed on the Amadeus reservation engine, used for bookings by airlines and travel agents around the world, for the New York route from October 1, 2008.

Emirates is keeping its Airbus launch a closely guarded secret. A spokesperson told Business 24|7 yesterday: “Emirates can confirm it will deploy the A380 on the JFK route in the next fiscal year. “However, as our route schedules have not yet been finalised, this listing does not suggest JFK will be Emirates’ first commercial route for the A380.”

Emirates executive vice-chairman Maurice Flanagan said at the Dubai Airshow last month the airline was “still thinking about” where it will launch its Airbus fleet.

New orders

Emirates placed the largest aircraft order yet at Dubai Airshow, for $34.9 billion (Dh128bn) to buy 93 aircraft from Airbus, with an option for 50 more. The airline is now the seventh largest in the world, according to new figures from the International Air Transport Association, flying 16.7 million passengers in 2006.

Sou-jiro

January 3rd, 2008, 11:29 AM

Hi all does anyone have any news on refurbishments on PALs wide bodies or atleast when the actual refurbished 744 will be service with new products?..should be this year right?... How About A330s?...Does PAL have any plans on upgrading its products to?i expect 744 then a340 then a330 if they plan to do that at all right??..i hope so..because where I am A330 is what PAL uses...i like them.. so much quieter than They're 744s...but somehow personally I felt the theyre 744 are really more stable when flying.
the A330 is bit more shaky but more confortable...for me anyhway

ow yeh dont really know where to ask this ...

but is the JALPAK in PI? or Manila atleast
been looking for travel agencies that specialise in Japan in Manila.
I never saw much Japan tour Packages advertiesment in Manila unlike most other Asian cities??
could it be that Japan is normally more expansive than most other cities??...no ..I dont think so...

richard24

January 3rd, 2008, 12:10 PM

finally wrote a thing on my blog about my horror with CEB

http://janmania.blogspot.com/2008/01/cebu-pacific-horror.html

papable

January 3rd, 2008, 12:12 PM

nonie_rnuk

January 3rd, 2008, 01:22 PM

I already have noticed the decline in the quality of services of CebPac after a few years of flying with them. Noon it was the personal touch that I truly appreciated coupled with having reasonable prices. I was suppose to fly back to Iloilo from Manila two days before Christmas so naturally busy talaga nagkadelay-delay ung flights. Very apologetic sila and we were constantly informed of the status of their flights then nag pamigay pa sila ng coupons so we can get some refreshments while waiting. Then after a few years nag low cost carrier sila nawala na ung professionalism and customer relations. Very rude na ang mga ground staff at sa ticketing office. Walang sistema pati mga guards walang courtesy mag address sa clients. Ang tagal-tagal mag bayad kasi kulang ang staff na nag aatend sa customers. Parang walang urgency pag nagde-deal sa clients. The physical appearance of their ticketing office is horrible! Letters of Cebu Pacific falling over, the seats ripped and flat of cushion, paint peeling off , air conditioning barely working, and soooo dirty! This to me implies a poorly run organisation and basically just trying to gain profit without any concern for the passengers welfare. I tried to book online months before my planned holiday but you cant pay by card if your credit card is from Europe or the US. Whats the point of having online services when the main aim of this is customer convenience? And if something goes wrong you have to wait according to the domestic agent to get the refund after six weeks! I left the Philippines in November, Im still awaiting refund to my card from a cancelled flight from Iloilo!

Parang walang regulatory body ang aviation business sa Philippines. Pag bumabagsak ang standard of services of a particular airline who are the people responsible to give them a whack in the head to turn this around? Pag may mag tourists ka na kasama nakakahiya ang service nila! Wala ng gana bumalik ng Pilipinas tuloy kasi bulok daw ang services. Pano na ang pinu-push nila na tourism natin?

Lesson learned on my part: dont fly the cheap flights if you want some form of civilisation from the service provider :ohno:

richard24

January 3rd, 2008, 01:49 PM

benchjade

January 3rd, 2008, 01:51 PM

okay, close the thread hehehehe!!! JOKE

anonymous_filipino

January 3rd, 2008, 02:55 PM

just change the thread title coz its really misleading...

le Reine

January 3rd, 2008, 02:59 PM

^^that man needs to be dismissed asap and not to mention that he doesn't look like a manager.

kyle@1008

January 3rd, 2008, 03:19 PM

that's another feather in cebu pacific's cap...the jeepney of the air...

kiretoce

January 3rd, 2008, 03:33 PM

^^ :lol: That's a great metaphor Kyle. :okay:

a s i a n a

January 3rd, 2008, 05:20 PM

Crazy4Airplanes

January 3rd, 2008, 07:58 PM

barrera_marquez

January 4th, 2008, 01:13 AM

a s i a n a

January 4th, 2008, 04:45 AM

But i thought PAL is not gonna go through with the acquisition of those ex South African Arways Boeing 744s anymore because tests showed problems and errors. It seemed that SAA did not take good care of those birds. I'm sure i read it here in this same forum or on thread XII most likely

I don't know, really, but that's what a forumer, a PAL insider, said in PEx.

ngprofflorida

January 4th, 2008, 06:53 AM

More than 100
hired at new airport

Newly hired security personnel of the Air Transportation Office are now reporting to the New Bacolod-Silay Airport in preparation for its opening on the third week of this month, ATO Bacolod manager Antonio Alfonso said yesterday.
He said more than 100 job order workers were recruited by ATO for security and janitorial services at the new airport and most of them are now in Silay.

Technical requirements, such as the publication of the new aeronautical information that will inform the world about the new airport in Negros Occidental, have already been started, Alfonso said, adding that everything is ready for the commercial operation of the facility.

He said commercial airline companies that will transfer to the new airport are expected to make their own announcements, although nothing much will change aside, from the new location of the airport.

But while ATO will transfer its office to Silay City , Alfonso said some security personnel will remain at the Bacolod facility to guard the government property.

Equipment turned over by the Department of Transportation and Communication to the ATO such as x-ray machines for passengers and baggage, firetrucks, runway sweeper, dumptruck, and tractor mower will also be transferred to the airport in Silay on the last flight out of the Bacolod airport, he said.

Meanwhile, Silay airport project director Edgar Mangalili of DOTC yesterday said instructions from the office of Secretary Leandro Mendoza said the airport will open on Jan. 19 with President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo attending the event.

He said everything is ready at the new airport with the access road at least 64 percent complete.

Possible power supply problem earlier raised with the Central Negros Electric Cooperative has been addressed with the unloading of the CENECO sub-station in Silay to the Talisay substation, Mangalili said.

“What is critical at the moment is the power fluctuation in the area which CENECO hopes to eliminate with the construction of another sub-station in Silay in the first quarter of the year,” he said.*NAB

brownman

January 4th, 2008, 03:03 PM

Two ex-South African Airways 744s are now painted white and are now ready for refurbishments for PR's cabin. Refurbishments of PR's long-haul aircrafts, e.g. removing of first class seats, will start on dead season: that's around June-October.

But i thought PAL is not gonna go through with the acquisition of those ex South African Arways Boeing 744s anymore because tests showed problems and errors. It seemed that SAA did not take good care of those birds. I'm sure i read it here in this same forum or on thread XII most likely

I don't really like the idea of purchasing hand-me-down planes. It just shows how underrated an airline is. But if that's what PR's take on frugality is or on being financial-wise then I guess there is no other choice but that. Although I'm not so sure about those problems about the planes themselves. Whenever they buy secondhand planes, they have to make sure that everything about the planes are in good if not perfect working condition.

brownman

January 4th, 2008, 04:48 PM

^^ onga eh., nakakahiya dun sa mga tourists na kasabay namin., pati sa mga balikbayan., meron pa nga akong kasabay na may flight that morning pabalik ng states, kaya halos napaiyak nalang nung sinabihan kami na magRORO nalang., :(

That's really a bad experience w/ you. And it's a shame that 5J did that. Sana lang patalsikin na yung manager. He doesn't deserve his post. Ano nalang ang sasabihin ng mga foreigners when they get back to their respective countries. They should teach that airhead some lesson. And I hope this type of maltreatment to passengers won't happen ever and ever again.

Chrisvenz

January 4th, 2008, 05:22 PM

I don't really like the idea of purchasing hand-me-down planes. It just shows how underrated an airline is. But if that's what PR's take on frugality is or on being financial-wise then I guess there is no other choice but that. Although I'm not so sure about those problems about the planes themselves. Whenever they buy secondhand planes, they have to make sure that everything about the planes are in good if not perfect working condition.

I think PAL will purchase those second hand planes since they knew those aircrafts are really in good condition. PAL holdings are smart enough if they will bought that aircrafts... hindi namn sila bibili ng aircraft if 50%-70% ng aircraft na un ay wala sa magandang condition...:)

Chrisvenz

January 4th, 2008, 05:24 PM

SIMPLICITY STILL THE BEST!!!! i go for PAL livery than CEBPAC!!!

jogavilz

January 4th, 2008, 05:49 PM

a s i a n a

January 4th, 2008, 06:28 PM

I don't really like the idea of purchasing hand-me-down planes. It just shows how underrated an airline is. But if that's what PR's take on frugality is or on being financial-wise then I guess there is no other choice but that. Although I'm not so sure about those problems about the planes themselves. Whenever they buy secondhand planes, they have to make sure that everything about the planes are in good if not perfect working condition.

Even Cathay Pacific... Cathay Pacific owns a few Boeing 747-412s, ex-Singapore Airlines planes. By the way, there are rumors (according to what is stated in the forum) that British Airways and Oasis are interested in the ex-SAA 747s so it will not be final for PAL.

Mojacko

January 4th, 2008, 06:38 PM

Maybe - JUST maybe - whether or not PAL would decide to operate them (I hope they do, though), I would reckon those ex-SAA 747s are temporary fill-in planes, operated until the 777s arrive?

manchowyin

January 5th, 2008, 02:10 AM

Construction of P5-B Carabao Island airport set
http://www.mb.com.ph/PROV20080105113524.html

MALAY, Aklan — The construction of the P5-billion Carabao Island Airport is now in the pipeline and will certainly start this year.

The construction of the airport, which is expected to commence this October, is a private-sector initiative, and is programmed to be completed by 2010.

Steve Tajanlangit, vice chairman of the Boracay Property Holdings, Inc., the main proponent of the project, expressed confidence that the airport will further hasten the growth of tourism on Boracay-Carabao Island corridor.

Tajanlangit said that the airport will also boost employment with expected generation of new jobs and the increased economic activities, not just in Boracay, but most especially in San Jose, Romblon, where the Carabao Island is located.

Once completed, the airport will be equipped with state-of-the-art facilities that can accommodate even big aircraft doing international flights in contrast to the Caticlan Airport which can only host small planes.

Aside from this, thousands of tourists -- foreign and local -- are expected to flock the world famous Boracay and Carabao Island.

He said his group has already secured a guarantee line from the Phil Exim Bank which shows that the private sector can work hand in hand with the government, especially in the development of tourist destinations.

One of the highly reputable and world class firms that have expressed interest and offered expertise and financial resources to the project is Sellex Sistemo Integrated of Italy.

Sellex, which supplies airside equipment, is the main firm of the conglomerate Finmeccanica owned by the Italian government.

Tajanlangit’s group is also seriously considering Changi International of Singapore, which is consistently rated as the world’s best airport operator, to be the airport manager.

Construction management will likely be handled by an American firm with proven expertise in building airports and support facilities for the US Defense Department.

Tajanlangit said the government’s guarantee company has already approved credit clearance for the project, while the Air Transportation Office under the Department of Transportation and Communications has already given its go-signal for the multi-billion project

One of the good features of this project is that it is a private-sector initiative.

Tourism efforts in Cebu, for instance, have been observed as the primary reason why the province’s tourism program has been successful, it was reported earlier. (Mar T. Supnad)

Sou-jiro

January 5th, 2008, 02:16 AM

Two ex-South African Airways 744s are now painted white and are now ready for refurbishments for PR's cabin. Refurbishments of PR's long-haul aircrafts, e.g. removing of first class seats, will start on dead season: that's around June-October.

ok thanks..yeh i read somewhere in here previously that PAL never went ahead with acquisition of those 2 ex SAA 744s??

anyway June - Oct is long way away....but anyway time flies...that may mean they may not refurbished they're A340- A330s until late 2009?..if they plan to at all...im sure they will for A340s but A330s i dont know...i hope they do though,....its a main part of the widebody fleet as they have 8 of them.

kiretoce

January 5th, 2008, 02:25 AM

^^ :hi: Hey Rodney! Long time no see! Where have you been? Glad to see you back here on SSC. :colgate:

Sou-jiro

January 5th, 2008, 05:07 AM

^^ :hi: Hey Rodney! Long time no see! Where have you been? Glad to see you back here on SSC. :colgate:

hey Kimber thanks!..
whatsup ...yeh just been busy.....i've been away for a while to come back & T3 still not open :lol:

kiretoce

January 5th, 2008, 05:31 AM

^^ :lol: Yeah, some things never change. Or takes a helluva long time to change. :ohno:

ngprofflorida

January 5th, 2008, 06:24 AM

WEBSITE FOR BACOLOD-SILAY NEW AIRPORT LAUNCHED
BACOLOD CITY, Jan. 4
A website for the P4.1 billion New Bacolod-Silay Airport of International Standard in Bagtic, Silay City, Negros occidental, has been created to cater to thousands of Negrenses and tourists once the new airport becomes operational by first quarter of 2008.

The site, www.bacolod-silayairport.com, is a private initiative and was developed by young professionals whose vision is to help promote Bacolod and Negros Occidental on the global IT directory through the internet, said Marlin Pellejo-Sanogal, provincial information officer.

The site which is still on its testing phase will provide general information about the airport, flight schedules, airport access information, travel support and airport guide, Sanogal said.

Also general information about Bacolod City and Negros Occidental will be posted on the site as well as famous beaches, resorts and other tourist destinations in Negros Island for the benefit of foreigners and balikbayans.

Places to stay at while in Bacolod will also be published as well as airport advisory and weather update, she added.

The administrator hopes that the site will soon hit as number 1 site in google.com, yahoo.com and other search engines as an informative website to Bacolod passengers.

Sanogal said the site will be officially launched on the inaugural day of the new airport, some 18 kilometers north of Bacolod. (PNA)

Chrisvenz

January 5th, 2008, 03:45 PM

Boeing completes 787 order from Vietnam Airlines
01/03/2008 | 11:06 AM
http://www.gmanews.tv

SEATTLE - Boeing Co. has finalized an order for 12 of its new midsize, long-range 787 Dreamliners from Vietnam Airlines and Vietnam Aircraft Leasing Co., the jet maker said Wednesday.

Financial terms of the deal were not disclosed.

Chicago-based Boeing, which assembles its commercial planes in the Seattle area, said the 787-8s were worth about $2 billion (€1.36 billion) at list prices, though customers typically negotiate substantial discounts.

Vietnam Airlines will buy four of the planes, and VALC will purchase the other eight, then lease them to Vietnam Airlines.

Boeing said this is the first order ever placed by VALC, a partnership formed last year by Vietnam Airlines, the Bank for Investment and Development of Vietnam, Vietnam National Oil and Gas Group, Vietnam Shipbuilding Industry Group and Phong Phu Corp.

The latest orders, which will be added to the 2007 order total Boeing is set to release Thursday, push the 787 order tally to 802.

The 787 will be the first large commercial jetliner made mostly of carbon-fiber composites rather than aluminum. Boeing is scheduled to begin test flights within the next few months and deliver the first plane by the end of the year, after early supply chain and production problems forced a six-month delay.

Vietnam Airlines, which ordered four 787s about three years ago, is scheduled to take delivery of its first Dreamliner in 2009.

Boeing shares closed down $1.62, or 2.3 percent, to $68.14 on Monday, then rose 37 cents in after-hours trading. - AP

Chrisvenz

January 5th, 2008, 03:46 PM

NAG ORDER BA RIN UNG PAL NG B787???

Mojacko

January 5th, 2008, 04:11 PM

^^ Not OFFICIALLY final yet, but they have shown considerable interest in it. (I've seen pics around of a 787 wearing PAL livery and it looks AWESOME!) In addition, with the 777s on their way, Philippine Airlines seems to be strengthening its association with Boeing in recent times.

a s i a n a

January 5th, 2008, 04:42 PM

Interesting article, please make sure to read first the dates:
( :lol: )

Couple wins damage suit vs Cathay Pacific Airways (http://www.gmanews.tv/story/63272/Couple-wins-damage-suit-vs-Cathay-Pacific-Airways)
10/05/2007 | 05:52 PM

The Court of Appeals on Friday affirmed an award of damages to a businessman and his wife who were not allowed access to the business class lounge of Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd. in 1993.

In a 12-page decision penned by Associate Justice Romeo Barza, CA 14th Division denied the petition filed by Cathay Pacific seeking a reversal of the ruling dated September 29, 2005 of the Pasay regional trial court finding the airline civilly liable for damages to spouses Wilson and Julie Tecson.

Complainants alleged that they were denied access and use of the Marco Polo business class lounge of Cathay Pacific even though they paid for business class plane tickets on a trip to the United States via Hong Kong.

The CA gave merit on the claims of the Tecsons that their overnight stay in Hong Kong should not disqualify them from the category that they are traveling from a long haul flight.

The appellate court pointed out that Cathay's admission that the Tecsons broke their flight is already a tacit admission that the Hong Kong-Manila trip is merely a leg of a long haul Los Angeles-Manila flight.

"Scrutinizing once again the tickets and the boarding passes, there is no correspondence therein that qualifies the use of the lounge only to those traveling from a long haul flight. What this Court finds plausible is the concept that once a passenger purchased a Marco Polo Business Class Ticket, he is thus, entitled to unqualified access to the lounge," said the Court.

The CA further said that the ill-treatment by Cathay Pacific personnel of the plaintiffs in front of the other passengers is an "ignominious act, which causes a besmirched reputation."

"It is not a dispute that common carriers are free to promulgate rules regarding their operation, they should exercise prudence in implementing the same so as not to cause harm to its passengers. Considering the circumstances, the court has sufficient basis in granting the damages awarded to Tecson," the CA ruled.

The court awarded P170,000 to the couple as moral and exemplary damages, including attorney's fee.

Court records showed that the Tecsons purchased sometime in August 1993 from Cathay Pacific two round-trip tickets of Marco Polo Business Class for their trip from Manila to Los Angeles, California via Hong Kong.

By purchasing the tickets, the Tecsons are to enjoy the amenities offered for the use of the Marco Polo Business lounges, which are not given to ordinary airline passengers.

While waiting in Hong Kong for their connecting flight to the US, the Tecsons were given unlimited access to Cathay Pacific's business class lounge and enjoyed the privileges.

On their supposed return flight to the Philippines on August 26, 1993 wherein instead of going straight to the Philippines as their destination, they opted to stay overnight in Hong Kong for the day to travel to Manila the following day.

On August 27, 1993, while waiting for their flight to Manila, the Tecsons checked in at the Kai Tak Airport in Hong Kong and proceeded to the Marco Polo Lounge. This time, however, they were already denied access and use of the lounge.

According to the couple, Cathay Pacific was liable for its breach of contract of carriage in denying them access to the airline's Marco Polo business class lounge.

Worse, the couple alleged that they were subjected to "unjustified verbal abuse from Cathay Pacific personnel, to the point of being driven out from the lounge in a manner, which our clients characterized as being inhuman, cruel and embarrassing."

Shamed that they were denied accessibility of the use of the lounge, the Tecsons relayed their embarrassment to Cathay Pacific through a letter sent by their lawyer dated September 13, 1993.

In response, the airline claimed that since the Tecsons broke their journey at Hong Kong and traveled a short sector flight from Hong Kong to Manila, they were not entitled to access the lounge at Hong Kong anymore.

Cathay's stand prompted the couple to file a civil suit before the Pasay court. The Tecsons, too, sought to be reimbursed the amount of $2,400 representing the difference in the price between the two business class tickets and two economy tickets.

On September 26, 2005, the trial court rendered a judgment granting the award of damages only to Julie Tecson and denied the claim of the Tecsons for reimbursement. - GMANews.TV

Chrisvenz

January 5th, 2008, 04:54 PM

AH-7Raja

January 5th, 2008, 05:37 PM

lets wait for few more months

jogavilz

January 5th, 2008, 05:38 PM

http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/photos/big/00002581.jpg

The Philippine Airlines Dreamliner........experience love at 30,000 feet in our new dreamliner aircraft....fly Philippine Airlines.....MABUHAY!!!!!

this is how Philippine Airlines looks like in its 777 aircraft:
http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/photos/big/00007507.jpg

Chrisvenz

January 5th, 2008, 05:47 PM

coooolllllll!!!! wahhhhh... love it...

btw, can 2,810 km runway handle B747 or other wide bodied aircrafts????

jogavilz

January 5th, 2008, 05:54 PM

coooolllllll!!!! wahhhhh... love it...

btw, can 2,810 km runway handle B747 or other wide bodied aircrafts????

yes....actually a 2500 m runway can handle a b747 and an a380......but i think a longer runway is required to let these planes land on airports

Raven83

January 5th, 2008, 05:58 PM

this is how Philippine Airlines looks like in its 777 aircraft:
http://www.cardatabase.net/modifiedairlinerphotos/photos/big/00007507.jpg

Love it,BTW this is Air France aircraft right?:lol:

coooolllllll!!!! wahhhhh... love it...

btw, can 2,810 km runway handle B747 or other wide bodied aircrafts????

Sure 2810Km is like Manila to Japan na. So pwedeng pwede talaga:lol:..pero kahit sa 2810meters pwede na:yes:

WawaY[625]

January 5th, 2008, 06:00 PM

ganda ng dreamliner ;)

Chrisvenz

January 5th, 2008, 06:04 PM

Love it,BTW this is Air France aircraft right?:lol:

Sure 2810Km is like Manila to Japan na. So pwedeng pwede talaga:lol:..pero kahit sa 2810meters pwede na:yes:

sorry for my mistake... ahehehe:lol:
i meant pla 2.8 km...:)

jogavilz

January 5th, 2008, 06:22 PM

Love it,BTW this is Air France aircraft right?:lol:

yeah i think the original photo is an air france aircraft......but i was not the one who modified the photo.....hehehe

ericlucky290

January 5th, 2008, 08:01 PM

Let us count all the airports that are under development, improvement and contruction. This information came from the 2007 Sona Technical Report of GMA last July 2007

1. The Bagabag Airport in Nueva Vizcaya is undergoing survey works onsite for the preparation of the Program of Works (POW). This P73million project will provide facilities that will enhance the safety of aircraft operation as well as meet the expected increase in air travel demand, conservatively estimated at 1,393 tourists by 2010 from the 1,266 tourist arrivals in 2004 and shall be completed in March 2008.

2. The P471.40million upgrading of the airport in Poro Point in San Fernando, La Union to international standards started last 1 June 2007 and shall be completed by December 2011. The Poro Point International Airport will make accessibility to and from San Fernando, La Union easier from Southeast Asian countries and the rest of the country.

3-4. The two airports in Batanes, the Basco and Itbayat airports shall be constructed by the DOTC. Construction for both projects will commence in August 2007. The (3)Basco Airport and the (4)Itbayat Airport, costing P74.14 million and P81 million, respectively, will harness the cultural and tourism potentials of the province and develop the fishing industry in the Northern part of Luzon. Both airports are expected to be completed by April 2008.

5. The P15million construction of the Casiguran Airport airstrip is 19.6%complete. The rehabilitation of the project will provide an easier, faster, safer means of transportation to and from Manila to Casiguran.

6. The improvement of the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport (DMIA),costing P59.06 billion, aims to transform the airport into the best international logistics and services center in the AsiaPacific Region. The Terminal Radar Approach Control is complete with the radar equipment officially activated by the President on 4 April 2007. The mobilization for the construction of the passenger terminal building commenced on 6 July 2007. The construction is expected to be completed in January 2008. The detailed feasibility study of the DMIA Master Plan is expected to be completed by October 2007 and fully implemented by December 2011.

7. The P8.76billion New Iloilo Airport Development Project in Cabatuan and Sta. Barbara, Iloilo was completed on 18 March 2007 and inaugurated on 13 June 2007. It started its operations on 14 June 2007, replacing the old airport in Manduriao. This airport can service 1.2 million passengers and 11,500 metric tons of cargo annually. It can also accommodate large aircrafts with seating capacities of 276 passengers. There were 2,600 jobs generated during its construction and 500 when the airport started its operations.

8. The P6.38billion New Bacolod-Silay Airport located in Silay City, Negros Occidental, was completed on 10 July 2007. The new 188hectare airport complex can accommodate 1.2 million passengers and 19,000 metric tons of cargo. The airport project generated approximately 1,000 jobs during construction.

9. The development of the P105million Kalibo Airport in Aklan shall make travel to Boracay more convenient. The airport’s airfield lighting system has already been installed and the glideslope is for calibration and shall be given a permanent shelter once site acquisition, which is 80% complete, is finished. The entire project, which also includes the construction of a passenger terminal building, is targeted to be completed in December 2007.

10. On the P142million Guiuan Airport in Eastern Samar, the apron has already been finished and the concreting of the apron and taxiway is 65% complete. The rehabilitation of the terminal building and the upgrading of the access road are in the bidding stage. This airport, which shall be completed in January 2009, shall promote tourism in Eastern Samar and improve the socioeconomic climate in the area.

11. The Siargao Airport project in Surigao del Norte costing P58 million aims to serve the tourists visiting the wellrenowned surfing waves of Siargao. It is targeted to be completed in December 2007. Currently, the upgrading of the existing apron and taxiway is 47.85% complete, while the extension of the apron and taxiway and the construction of the parking area and fence are in the bidding stage.

12. The P303million San Vicente Airport Development Project in Northern Palawan started in February 2007 and shall be completed in January 2008. The airstrip construction is almost onethird complete, while the continuing construction activities of the runway and the upgrading of the apron and the taxiway are in the bidding stage. Land acquisition is also ongoing.

13. On the P1.25billion Busuanga Airport Project in Coron Island, Palawan, the concreting of the apron and runway is 94.50% complete and is targeted to be finished by August 2007. The improvement of the passenger terminal building, vehicular parking area, apron, and drainage system started in April 2007 and is expected to be completed by December 2008. For Phase 2, the contract for the FS Master Plan was awarded in June 2007. Civil works based on the Master Plan shall be completed by June 2010.

14. The Notice of Award for the P3.25billion Puerto Princesa Airport was issued last 23 May 2007, with activities scheduled to commence by end July 2007 to February 2008. Phase 2 of the project shall be finished by October 2010.

15. The P303million new Balabac Airport in Southern Palawan is in the feasibility study stage. Construction activities are targeted to start in October 2007. The airport is targeted to becompleted in December 2009.

16. The P1.12billion Tacloban Airport Redevelopment Project involves the asphalt overlaying of the existing airport runway as well other redevelopment activities to bring Leyte into the country’s tourism circuit. Redevelopment activities shall start in August 2007 and shall be finished by October 2010.

17. The access road and perimeter fence of the P290million Dumaguete Airport in Oriental Negros was completed on 16 March 2007, while the runway widening and asphalt overlay and the improvement of the passenger terminal building are in the bidding stage. The detailed engineering for the installation of the airfield lighting system is already complete. Once the airport is complete in April 2008, it shall attract electronics and semiconductor companies to locate in Valencia, Oriental Negros and boost tourism.

18. The Kabankalan City Government shall construct the new P303million Kabankalan Airport in Negros Occidental to provide travelers and tourists faster and easier access to beaches of Sipalay. Earthworks and right-of-way
acquisition have been ongoing since 2006 and shall be finished by the first quarter of 2008. Construction activities shall start once the earthworks are completed. The project shall be finished in 2009.

19. The P2.87billion Panglao International Airport in Bohol shall replace the existing Tagbilaran Airport. Construction of a new airport of international standard shall support the projected increase in tourist arrivals in the area. Feasibility study of the project started in April 2007 and is 64% complete as of 20 June 2007 while rightofway acquisition is onefourth complete. Construction is expected to commence in November 2008 and end in April 2010.

20. The P3.44billion Bicol International Airport in Daraga, Albay shall serve tourists who wish to see the famous Mount Mayon. As of 30 June 2007, the detailed engineering is in the bidding stage and land acquisition is ongoing. Construction is scheduled to commence in May 2008 to December 2010.

21. The Bulan Airport in Sorsogon is a P15million project that will provide tourists better access to the famous Butanding or whale sharks. The parcellary survey is already complete, while the runway upgrading is in the bidding stage and rightofway acquisition is ongoing. Target completion date of the whole project is in 2008.

22. The new P303million San Jose Airport in Romblon shall be developed by the Euro Asia and Group Co., Ltd. in the Carabao Island. The feasibility study and land acquisition activities are ongoing. The timetable of the project shall be determined once the detailed design is completed. The project shall be completed by 2010 and will help make the Carabao Island another tourist destination in the country.

23. The Butuan Airport in Agusan del Norte is a P250million project involving the extension of the runway and improvement of the air navigation system. Runway extension was bid out on 29 May 2007 while detailed engineering (DE) for the improvement of the air navigation system is still ongoing. The airport shall be completed in May 2008.

24. The rehabilitation of the Cotabato Airport is expected to be completed in 2007, at a cost of P85 million. The asphalt overlay of a portion of the runway is almost complete. Procurement is ongoing for the continuation of the asphalt overlay.

25. The Dipolog Airport in Zamboanga del Norte involves shore protection, asphalt overlay, and widening of the runway at a cost of P115 million. Shore protection covering 132 meters out of its 2,146meter length is complete and 13 more meters are expected to be completed on 21 August 2007. Asphalt overlay and widening of the runway is 100% complete while the continuation of runway widening and shore protection of the balance of 2,001 meters is in the bidding stage.

26. The P5.39billion Laguindingan Airport Project involves the construction of a new airport in Misamis Oriental, including new runway, taxiway, apron and other airside facilities; new buildings such as passenger terminal building (PTB), cargo facilities; supply and installation of air navigation and support facilities and other airport equipment and vehicles. Procurement of contractor for the construction of the airport is currently ongoing. The airport is expected to be completed by May 2011. Construction of the access road started on 11 July 2007 and will be completed by April 2008.

27. The Ozamis Airport Project involves the rehabilitation of the terminal building, vehicle parking area, and expansion of apron at a total cost of P86 million. Civil works for the runway markings and obstruction removal is in the procurement stage but construction of riverbank protection and concreting of runway is almost 40% complete.

28. The Pagadian Airport in Zamboanga del Sur is a P515.76million project divided into two phases. For Phase I, the initial asphalt overlay of the runway is 95.40% complete while bidding for the asphalt overlay of the rest of the runway was held on 14 June 2007. Civil works for Phase II is expected to start in June 2008 and end in September 2009.

29. The P257million rehabilitation of Zamboanga Airport in Zamboanga del Sur will enhance the operations of the Zamboanga Airport and make travel safer and more comfortable. The initial asphalt overlay of the runway is 100% complete, while the rest of the immediate improvement, such as the construction of elevated water tank and powerhouse, and rehabilitation of the passenger terminal building (PTB), is 99.5% complete.

Source: http://www.gov.ph/sona/sona2007.pdf

le Reine

January 5th, 2008, 09:44 PM

^^grabe, ang dami naman ng airport na yan. kailangan ba lahat yan?

allan_dude

January 5th, 2008, 09:54 PM

PR300
Jan 3 2008
J CLASS

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NAIA Terminal 2

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Strawberry smoothie before the flight

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Fruit platter, pudding, oats, atbp.

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Pork and noodles

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Chicken Tocino

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Dry Martini sa umaga...

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My mom! =)

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OOOPS!

le Reine

January 5th, 2008, 10:20 PM

^^oh nice allan. Are they your siblings?

bitoy

January 5th, 2008, 11:10 PM

China Eastern Airlines

Ok ba? :lol: Pasensiya na, medyo natagalan sa oven.

http://www.airlinemeals.net/images/meals/chinaeastern065.jpg

Photo taken by: Robbie Francisco
Route: Beijing - Shanghai, 3 Oct 2006
Ticket price: $180
Flight duration: 2h 00m
Class: economy
Aircraft: A300-600
Meal: Lunch - Chicken, green beans and Jasmine rice
Box of water, fruits-in-a-cup and a strange salad
Drink: Orange Juice
Comments: Food could have been better but it was warm and heavy enough for a hungry lad such as myself

diz

January 5th, 2008, 11:17 PM

^^ I prefer Philippine Airlines Fiesta Class meal between San Francisco and Manila!!

bitoy

January 5th, 2008, 11:27 PM

^^ I prefer Philippine Airlines Fiesta Class meal between San Francisco and Manila!!

Ganito yung Pal economy class ko, then pabalik sa US, may Tapsilog ata yun.
http://www.airlinemeals.net/images/meals/philippineairlines058.jpg

Tapos may ganito pa :lol:

http://www.airlinemeals.net/images/meals/philippineairlines060.jpg

Raven83

January 5th, 2008, 11:51 PM

^^ yeah it was two meals(dinner and breakfast) and one snack.In Business Class two meals on fine china and a requestable snack din Your choice kung kelan mo guto ma serve which is normally lugaw na naka set up sa table tapos may kasamang focaccia. When I was a kid when there was still a stop in Honolulu. Three full meals yata yung naalala ko..dinner and breakfast then another meal between HNL and mainland

Raven83

January 5th, 2008, 11:56 PM

bitoy

January 6th, 2008, 12:21 AM

^^ May tuwalya pa, pang hilamos :D

diz

January 6th, 2008, 04:11 AM

@tsinoy: that's it! may beef and noodles pa.

a s i a n a

January 6th, 2008, 04:13 AM

Let us count all the airports that are under development, improvement and contruction. This information came from the 2007 Sona Technical Report of GMA last July 2007

Source: http://www.gov.ph/sona/sona2007.pdf

What a waste!:ohno: I find the improvements on airports as good signs of development. But building new ones?! Naku, in the case of that La Union international airport that's really a waste. No offense but are there really potentials of passenger traffic from other Southeast Asian countries on that 'airport'?!:bash:

richard24

January 6th, 2008, 04:26 AM

^^ coz they're planning to close the loakan airport in baguio., the Poro International would be the airport serving baguio. :) as well as pangasinan and ilocos sur. :)

a s i a n a

January 6th, 2008, 04:31 AM

^^Thanks for understanding my rant, lol. :)

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Since everyone's craving for that 777s, here are the 777s in various airline colors:

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tisoycuba

January 6th, 2008, 04:51 AM

pi_malejana

January 6th, 2008, 05:24 AM

^^ coz they're planning to close the loakan airport in baguio., the Poro International would be the airport serving baguio. :) as well as pangasinan and ilocos sur. :)

ngek??!! i saw in pangasinan thread that they're planning to BUILD a NEW airport.. pinagtatalunan nga nila kung saan itatayo eh..
haaayy... i really can't understand their plans for our country...:ohno:

Chrisvenz

January 6th, 2008, 05:31 AM

ngek??!! i saw in pangasinan thread that they're planning to BUILD a NEW airport.. pinagtatalunan nga nila kung saan itatayo eh..
haaayy... i really can't understand their plans for our country...:ohno:

another airport na namn??? the hell, anu ba yan... utang na namn ng pera... sus, bkait kailangan international pa? the government should use the people's money well and use it for more important service than building airport which is not that important namn...:ohno:

pi_malejana

January 6th, 2008, 05:50 AM

^^ kasi daw, to attract tourists.. they want alaminos, probably the hundred islands to be put on the world map..:lol:

le Reine

January 6th, 2008, 05:53 AM

another airport na namn??? the hell, anu ba yan... utang na namn ng pera... sus, bkait kailangan international pa? the government should use the people's money well and use it for more important service than building airport which is not that important namn...:ohno:yun na nga eh. sobrang dami na ng airport. bakit hindi nalang muna idevelop ang railway? lalo na sa luzon island. hindi na naman kailangan ng maraming airport sa luzon as long as may reliable mode of transport like bus and trains.

kiretoce

January 6th, 2008, 06:16 AM

^^ Because local governments are interested in attracting foreign tourists first instead of focusing on the seldomly tapped (maybe untapped even) local tourist market. I'm sure that a lot of Filipinos would also want to go around the homeland and visit these places given the availability and accessibility of adequate modes of transportation.

le Reine

January 6th, 2008, 06:23 AM

^^yes I understand. But if only our government would focus on building fast trains then there wouldn't be any need of airports. After all, most tourists enter the country from MM. What we need is a fast and reliable connection from Manila. I'm not against building airports but I'm more concerned about their maintenance. I've watched imbestigador and saw how decrepit our local airports are. So depressing.

pi_malejana

January 6th, 2008, 06:35 AM

i think what makes an airport useless is the lack of flights.. some local airports may only have a couple of flights a day so not a lot of attention is given.. nagiging haunted house na siya..hehe...

dapat they're sure that there are planes willing to service that area (for example pangasinan).. but there are buses plying manila-pangasinan and most of them are comfortable enough.. so tourists may want to take these cheap mode of transpo. instead of taking a plane..

le Reine

January 6th, 2008, 06:39 AM

^^yeah, manila is actually near pangasinan if only there are expressways or trains that could service that route.

pi_malejana

January 6th, 2008, 06:41 AM

^^ just a non-stop bus route would be enough IMHO.. although the rehabilitation of the northrail woul be better...:)

zhock2001

January 6th, 2008, 07:10 AM

it may sound overwhelming at this point because we are used to jampacked NAIA, MCIA and other existing airports there is... but looking at it in the long run, rehab of local airports and construction of new ones will create a sort of traffic diversion from the congestion of our currently operating major airports to the less popular airports that people will later on find efficient anyway... thus, there will be more options for passengers later on... mas okey na to kaysa naman pilitin nating i-divert yung mga pasahero sa mga airports na mukhang bus terminal! eh di ba nakakahiya?!

besides, projects like this go through scrutiny... there must be a great plan that we just don't realize from what we see right now! this move will also break our dependence to the central image of NAIA which is really becoming more and more of a failure in selling our country as a great escape for people who wanted to relax! isn't it better to land in a classy panglao airport or carabao-boracay airport than to go through all the hassles in the capital when all a tourist want is a vacation anyway?

allan_dude

January 6th, 2008, 08:03 AM

^^oh nice allan. Are they your siblings? They're my cousins :)

PR300? you went to Hong Kong? ....

okey upgraded na rin pala pati utensils sa regional cabin. Dati sa US bound flights lang yung ganung set up. Yeah bound for HKG. We were also seated at the upper deck of the B747.

pinas4real

January 6th, 2008, 08:36 AM

From Inquirer.net

New S'pore terminal to bolster air hub status--analysts

By Martin Abbugao, Ian Timberlake
Agence France-Presse
First Posted 11:25am (Mla time) 01/06/2008

SINGAPORE--Singapore will Wednesday open an ultra-modern new US$1.2-billion airport terminal that industry analysts say will reinforce the city-state's position as a regional aviation hub.

Terminal 3, which boasts a five-storey vertical garden with waterfalls, will receive its first passengers just months after a new terminal opened in Hong Kong and more than a year after Bangkok's new airport began operating.

Aviation industry competition is intensifying in a region where airline passenger growth is projected to increase faster than the global average.

Analysts say the new terminal will boost the appeal of Singapore's Changi Airport -- particularly compared with its key challenger in Bangkok, which has been plagued with problems since opening in 2006.

"It will push Singapore further ahead of its rivals," said Shukor Yusof, of Standard and Poor's Equity Research.

Built at a cost of S$1.75 billion (US$1.22 billion), Terminal 3 offers 380,000 square meters (4.1 million square feet) of space in a seven-storey building.

It can handle 22 million passengers a year, bringing Changi's total capacity to about 70 million, airport operator the Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore said.

Terminal 3 will add 28 aerobridge gates to Changi, with up to eight designed to handle the world's biggest passenger plane, the superjumbo Airbus A380.

Singapore Airlines (SIA) in October became the world's first airline to fly the double-decker A380 and will be the first to operate from Terminal 3.

The airline's senior vice president of product and services, Yap Kim Wah, called Terminal 3 "another jewel in the crown for Changi as it cements its position as a leading international hub" -- an assessment analysts agreed with.

The new facility "definitely reinforces Singapore's position," said Jim Eckes, managing director of Hong Kong-based aviation consulting firm Indoswiss Aviation.

With shiny granite floor tiles and carpeted lounges, the terminal has the ambience of a five-star hotel. Trees and plants dot the terminal, and the vertical garden, a wall covered with climbing plants and interspersed with waterfalls, provides a dramatic backdrop to the baggage claim area.

One bank executive, sipping wine with dozens of other guests invited for the first A380's arrival, said the terminal "will surely give Singapore an edge."

It is more than twice as large as the 140,000-square-meter second terminal which opened last June at Hong Kong International Airport.

Since opening a decade ago Hong Kong's airport has seen rapid passenger growth, reaching 44.4 million in 2006, ahead of Changi's record 35.03 million that year.

Analysts say Hong Kong is not a direct competitor to Changi because as well as being an international hub it is the gateway to China's booming aviation market.

The International Air Transport Association says Asia Pacific passenger traffic will grow 5.9 percent annually between 2007 and 2011, faster than the 5.1-percent global average, and both Hong Kong and Singapore built their new terminals to tap the increasing demand.

"When Singapore builds something, they don't do it for now, they do it for five, 10 years ahead," Yusof said.

Peter Harbison, executive chairman of the Sydney-based Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation consultancy, said "the whole concept of always building ahead of demand is why Singapore has kept its leadership in the region."

In September 2006 Thailand opened its new US$3.0-billion Suvarnabhumi Airport with an initial capacity of 45 million passengers per year in a bid to establish Bangkok as the region's aviation hub.

But the airport has suffered from overcrowding and cracks in the runways as well as complaints about safety and sanitation.

"Suvarnabhumi is certainly a terrible terminal," Eckes said.

It opened at roughly the same time Singapore's Changi completed a S$240-million upgrade of its second terminal and shortly after it opened a separate terminal for budget airlines.

Tom Ballantyne, chief correspondent for the industry publication Orient Aviation, said Singapore "is continuously improving Changi" and Terminal 3 fits the pattern.

"It's a mark of what Singapore has always done to stay ahead of the game," he said.

Singapore's Changi eyes stakes in 10-15 Asian airports

Agence France-Presse
First Posted 01:44pm (Mla time) 01/05/2008

SINGAPORE -- Singapore's Changi Airports International aims to spend up to $700 million within the next five years on stakes in 10 to 15 airports in the region to strengthen its Asian presence, its chief said on Saturday.

"Over the next three to five years, we hope to spend roughly $600-700 million ... We're working on five regions: China, India, the Middle East, Russia and Vietnam," Chief Executive Chow Kok Fong told Reuters.

Changi Airports already has a presence in China, Russia and India. It paid $138 million last January for 29 percent of China's Nanjing Lukou International Airport, and has management contracts with airports in Russia and India.

In July, it entered a joint venture with China's Shenzhen Airport Group to invest in and manage up to 50 airports in China.

Globally, airports such as Germany's Fraport, Amsterdam's Schiphol Group and South Korea's Incheon International are also seeking stakes in airports in emerging markets like India, the Middle East, and China to benefit from their rapid growth.

Changi Airports is the overseas investment arm of the Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore, which owns and operates the city-state's Changi Airport.

sasuke41

January 6th, 2008, 10:27 AM

i don't like the bright colors on jumbo planes like yellow and orange......i like blue, green, dark red......kung light color, they should cover the whole fuselage para maganda tingnan....like ANA Pokemon Jets...

sana ibahin na ng pal ang design nila para mas mukhang bago ang mga eroplano nila katulad ng panda plane ng ana o yung disney design ng jal

http://images.china.cn/images1/200707/400594.jpg
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diz

January 6th, 2008, 11:02 AM

@allan_dude: i just ate pero nagutom nanaman ako. thanks for the pics hehe

barrera_marquez

January 6th, 2008, 11:04 AM

sana ibahin na ng pal ang design nila para mas mukhang bago ang mga eroplano nila katulad ng panda plane ng ana o yung disney design ng jal

http://images.china.cn/images1/200707/400594.jpg
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/199/448595554_6192474151.jpg

Mas kailangan natin ng bagong eroplano at bagong airport hindi bagong livery. Pwede naman nating baguhin ang livery kapag tapos nang ayusin ang mga ito.

English: We need new airplanes and a new airport, not a new livery. We could change it if we already have the airplanes and the airport. (preferably Clark)

brownman

January 6th, 2008, 01:11 PM

@ Allan's photos: Wow! The foods are very presentable, and by the looks of it delectable at the same time. PR is quite keeping up then w/ its rivals. Good job PAL.

Btw, I haven't ridden CebuPac yet. I know they are an LCC but do they serve meals/snacks onboard w/ their international flights?

RhapsodyBrat

January 6th, 2008, 02:51 PM

just change the thread title coz its really misleading...

tama ka diyan. the plan has always been to develop an international container port, never an international airport. dyosme, kung nag-international airport sila e di pati Noveleta gigibain nila para magkaroon ng sapat na espasyo. :lol:

another thing that's being talked about is hintayin daw na matapos ang term ni GMA. kasi nga si GMA lang naman ang nagpu-push niyan; di pa rin nila alam kung susuportahan ba ng sunod na gobyerno at ganitong plano.

chocolato1000

January 6th, 2008, 02:52 PM

i think it would be cool if we have pal plane with jeepney livery!

dinabaw

January 6th, 2008, 02:57 PM

Anti-missile tests on American Airlines

Fri Jan 4, 3:36 PM ET

DALLAS - Up to three American Airlines jets carrying passengers will be outfitted with anti-missile technology this spring in the latest phase of testing technology to protect commercial planes from attack.
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An American Airlines spokesman said Friday that the test will determine how well the anti-missile system holds up under the rigors of flight.

The first Boeing 767-200 will be equipped in April or later, said the airline spokesman, Tim Wagner. American operates that Boeing model mostly between New York and San Francisco and Los Angeles.

American said it is "not in favor" of putting anti-missile systems on commercial planes but agreed to take part in the tests to understand technologies that might be available in the future.

The technology is intended to stop a missile attack by detecting heat given off from the rocket, then firing a laser beam that jams the missile's guidance system.

The device on the belly of the Boeing 767-200 aircraft will be operational but won't be tested on regular flights, Wagner said. The use of a signal to mimic a missile attack has already been tested in the air, Wagner said.

American, the nation's largest carrier, has been working with defense contractor BAE Systems PLC on the project for a couple years. In 2006, BAE installed its hardware on a Boeing 767 that wasn't used to fly paying passengers.

About a year ago, reporters were invited to American's maintenance base in Fort Worth to see a jet outfitted with the laser-jamming device on its belly.

"We are now entering the next phase," Wagner said, which is "to see how the system holds up on an aircraft in real-time conditions — weather, continuous takeoffs and landings, etc. — and to test its maintenance reliability."

Wagner said American is also collecting more information on how the laser-jamming device affects fuel consumption.

Congress has approved funding for anti-missile research partly out of fear that terrorists armed with shoulder-fired weapons could hit jetliners as they take off and land. U.K.-based BAE won a contract from the Homeland Security Department to test its technology.

Fort Worth-based American, a unit of AMR Corp., has said anti-missile defense is best handled by stopping terrorists from getting missiles that could shoot down commercial jets and by improving security around airports.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_travel/20080104/ap_tr_ge/travel_brief_american_airlines_missiles

chocolato1000

January 6th, 2008, 03:01 PM

nasisiraan nb ng bait ang mga planners? mukha atang magkakaroon ng international airport sa pilipinas bawat 10 kilometers. sa ilocano, may tawag dyan - "agraraman!":bash:

Solblanc

January 6th, 2008, 03:19 PM

manchowyin

January 6th, 2008, 04:17 PM

Agree with that. The islands in the Visayas may require airstrips, but road and rail may be better in the Luzon mainland.

ericlucky290

January 6th, 2008, 04:21 PM

Cebu Pacific raising P12.87B from IPO

By Elizabeth Sanchez-Lacson
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 05:47pm (Mla time) 01/06/2008

MANILA, Philippines--LOW-COST carrier Cebu Air Inc. of the Gokongwei family is raising up to P12.87 billion from an initial public offering between late January and early February.

In a disclosure to the Philippine Stock Exchange, Cebu Air, which operates under the trade name Cebu Pacific Air, said it would conduct an international roadshow and bookbuilding on Jan. 15-25. A domestic offer period is set from Jan. 29 to Feb. 4 while the listing date is tentatively slated for Feb. 8.

Cebu Pacific will offer up to 135.46 million shares consisting of 72.025 million new shares and 63.43 million shares of shareholder CPAir Holdings Inc., the Gokongwei family's investment vehicle for its airline business. An over-allotment option or additional shares that could be issued will consist of 20.318 million shares.

The shares are priced at P95 apiece, which could peg the company's market capitalization at P39.78 billion.

Cebu Pacific plans to drum up interest from foreign investors through the sale of up to 94.82 million shares or 70 percent of the total offer size.

Since the airline is a grantee of a legislative franchise to operate domestic and international air transport services, foreign ownership is limited to 40 percent under the Philippine Constitution.

Cebu Pacific has tapped First Metro Investment Corp. and ING Bank NV as its local underwriters. UBS Investment Bank is its sole international underwriter.

The company estimated its net proceeds after deducting certain expenses incurred during the IPO would amount to P6.6 billion from the primary offer at the assumed offer price of P95 a share. Selling shareholders will receive net proceeds of roughly P5.8 billion.

Cebu Pacific intends to use the net proceeds to fund capital expenditures--such as aircraft-related payments, pre-delivery payments for aircraft and spare engine acquisitions, and working capital--for the remainder of 2007 and for 2008.

The airline has a fleet of 15 aircraft--10 Airbus 319-111 and five A320-214 planes.

le Reine

January 6th, 2008, 04:42 PM

absinthe_888

January 6th, 2008, 09:00 PM

Cebu Air eyes Feb. 8 listing

CEBU AIR, Inc., the operator of Gokongwei-owned airline Cebu Pacific, will list on the Philippine Stock Exchange on Feb. 8.

In an offering circular, the Gokongwei-owned firm said it would list 418.750 million common shares on the bourse, with 135.456 million shares allotted for the public.

Cebu Air said it would sell through an initial public offering (IPO) 72.025 million shares, while CPAir Holdings, Inc., a selling shareholder, would offer 63.431 million shares to investors. An over-allotment option of 20.318 million shares could be exercised, the company said.

With an offer price set at a maximum of P95 per share, Cebu Air may be able to raise P17.4 billion from the IPO. Proceeds will be used to bankroll the airline operator’s fleet expansion program.

Cebu Air has tapped UBS AG, through its business group UBS Investment Bank, as sole bookrunner and international underwriter and lead underwriter. First Metro Investments Corp. and ING Bank N.V. were tapped as domestic underwriters.

Cebu Air said an international road show and bookbuilding would be held from Jan. 15 to 25. The final offer price would be announced on Jan. 28, while the offer period would be on Jan. 29 to Feb. 4. — LNPL

http://bworld.com.ph/BW010708/content.php?id=044

Construction of new Northern Mindanao airport starts Feb. 4
400-hectare facility targeted to be finished by 2011

THE CONSTRUCTION of the P5-billion Laguindingan Airport in Misamis Oriental, Northern Mindanao’s gateway to replace Lumbia Airport in Cagayan de Oro, will start on Feb. 4.

Late last week, the Department of Transportation and Communication (DoTC) said it signed contracts with Korean firms for the construction of the main civil works and inked the supplemental agreement for consulting services.

The Hanjin Industries Construction Co. Ltd. is the project’s contractor, and Yooshin Engineering Corp. is the consultant.

The main civil works amounting to P4.99 billion involves the construction of runway, air traffic control tower, cold water receiving station, fuel farm, wastewater treatment plant, as well as passenger terminal, cargo terminal, maintenance, power house, and administration buildings.

The consultancy services will have a foreign cost component of 4.86 billion Korean won (P194.40 million), while its local cost component is P130.99 million.

The funding will come from the Economic Development Fund of Korea, Export-Import Bank of Korea, Nordic Investment Bank and the government.

Last October the project team handling the development told a press conference that the new airport will have a capacity of 1.2 million passengers annually, which is bigger compared with Lumbia’s current capacity.

Barring delays, the DoTC said the airport covering 400 hectares will be finished by 2011.

It will serve Bukidnon, Misamis Oriental, Lanao del Norte, Lanao del Sur and the island of Camiguin.

Meanwhile, most of the 218 families who were relocated due to the construction of the Laguindingan airport used the money paid to them by the government in purchasing consumer goods instead of investing in livelihood projects.

This was found by a two-person team from the provincial government which inspected the area on Saturday as part of President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo’s scheduled visit on Wednesday, to the construction site some 40 kilometers west of Cagayan de Oro City.

A resident who spoke on condition of anonymity, however, noted such conclusion is not generally true and that the majority of the beneficiaries spent their money on livelihood activities.

In a briefing conducted for Misamis Oriental Vice-Governor Norris C. Babiera and provincial board member Peter Unabia, Clemente Dayot of the National Housing Authority (NHA) said he and his team discovered that the relocated families did not wisely use the government aid.

The construction of the six-hectare relocation site for affected residents is done on a 24-hour basis as the airport contractor has vowed not to start civil works until all the residents have been relocated to nearby Barangay Tubahon, also in Laguindingan.

Mr. Dayot said the NHA is seeking temporary shelters to the affected residents so that airport development could start immediately after the President’s visit.

"We will soon start the civil works," Delia Capicenio, Laguindingan international airport development project manager, told BusinessWorld.

When the project was first envisioned in 1991, its estimated cost was only for P900 million. The figure has since been revised to P5 billion. — Marian Grace S. Ramos and Mark D. Francisco

http://bworld.com.ph/BW010708/content.php?id=071

I don't know kung pwede to i post dito...

Something’s Missing in RP Machine Readable Passport

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/7329/machinereadablepassportde8.jpg

When a person travels abroad, the single most important document that he/she will ever carry is a passport. It is used for identification and other purposes like to supplement credit card verification. That is why travelers have celebrated the long-delayed arrival of the machine readable passports (MRP) in this labor-exporting country.

Something’s missing, however, in this much-valued document. While the tech-savvy passport carries with it new and hard-to-break security features, someone in the Department of Foreign Affairs’ backroom forgot to include a space wherein the passport bearer could affix his/her signature.

Indeed, an insider told us that some nurses applying for work in the United States had to have the old non-machine readable passports issued to them for this very reason.

Perhaps the DFA’s fanfare over the MRPs made them forget a tiny but important detail in any identification document. The DFA seems to have been blinded by technology to forget a time-honored practice of signing documents.

http://www.newsbreak.com.ph/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=4057&Itemid=88889070

kiretoce

January 6th, 2008, 10:22 PM

Raven83

January 7th, 2008, 02:37 AM

^^ :D you should have seen that Hello Kitty Eva Air Jet..even the utensils are hello Kitty, It's like eating baby food:laugh:

http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=1236961&WxsIERv=Nveohf%20N330-203&Wm=0&WdsYXMg=RIN%20Nve&QtODMg=Ubat%20Xbat%20-%20Purx%20Ync%20Xbx%20Vagreangvbany%20%28UXT%20%2F%20IUUU%29&ERDLTkt=Puvan%20-%20Ubat%20Xbat&ktODMp=Whyl%209%2C%202007&BP=1&WNEb25u=Wreel%20Cnat&xsIERvdWdsY=O-16309&MgTUQtODMgKE=Bar%20cubgb%2C%20svir%20nveyvarf.&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=3363&NEb25uZWxs=2007-07-19%2002%3A52%3A51&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=661&static=yes&width=1500&height=1010&sok=JURER%20%20%28ert%20%3D%20%27O-16309%27%29%20%20BEQRE%20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=5&prev_id=1241200&next_id=1234568

ianers_ianized

January 7th, 2008, 07:37 AM

wow I like the food.. I've never been in the mabuhay class of PAL.

PR300
Jan 3 2008
J CLASS

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NAIA Terminal 2

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Strawberry smoothie before the flight

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Fruit platter, pudding, oats, atbp.

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Pork and noodles

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Chicken Tocino

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Dry Martini sa umaga...

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My mom! =)

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OOOPS!

suri_maw2020

January 7th, 2008, 10:21 AM

wow I like the food.. I've never been in the mabuhay class of PAL.

You have to try it...and gonna love it their service...

zhock2001

January 7th, 2008, 01:10 PM

I can understand why it's important to build airports and airstrips in the Visayas and Mindanao, but there should be a moratorium on airport building in Luzon. The money channelled into new runways and taxiways would be better spent on roads, bridges, and train links to existing airports. Heck, even simple farm-to-market roads would serve the economy better. There are roads in Pangasinan that aren't even paved, and they're trying to build a new airport!?

We have enough airports in the Luzon Area. And the Bicol Airport... an airport meant to serve a volcano. How smart. I wonder if future tourist traffic to the Mayon would be large enough to get the money spent on it back before the next eruption damages that proposed airport.

most of the airports in luzon area mentioned earlier are planned to have either facelift, expansion or both... if we wanted to give Manila domestic and NAIA a resurrection from their already rotten state, we should embrace the idea of preparing the alternative airports/fields first in nearby towns in luzon for potential air traffic diversion... that way, the government can rescucitate the capital's gateway to the world while not compromising quality service.....

as to the case of bicol ariport, we all know that there is heavy studies done before any such actions taken, and if data show that this proves to be more of a bawas-pogi-points to the government's pocket, i don't think its gonna push through... anyways, most of these weird and fancy proposals are still mere proposals.... better to have many action plans than none at all...

mwg12a

January 7th, 2008, 01:15 PM

^^^ Amen!!!

mwg12a

January 7th, 2008, 01:25 PM

meron na po highway from Manila to Clark:lol:taga saan kaba:cheers::lol:

Well, it still would take you more than 2 hours to get there. I have only visited the Philippines 4 times 15 days each time since i've moved back permanently in the US and I don't really go upnorth, actually never except once to go to Baguio which is really a painstakingly 5 hours with 1 hour stop over somewhere for lunch in our tour bus. Geographically, southern Luzon is greater than the North and populationwise, the central and southern part of Luzon is still more than those of the southern part of Luzon. Who would enjoy a land trip of more than 2 to 3 hours to DMIA using all these highways currently connecting the Capital Region, this doesn't include other cities beyond it in the southern border.... You guys really do need true superhighways that will connect directly to Clark from Manila but I think that is almost impossible now because of the already existing build up in towns, cities and municipalities leading to clark.

chocolato1000

January 7th, 2008, 05:34 PM

pwede bang magpa-renew ng passport kahit 2 years pa before expiration? tawagin nalang nating "upgrade" from old to new...langya ang DFA ilang weeks na yung inquiry ala pang reply.

absinthe_888

January 7th, 2008, 05:44 PM

pwede bang magpa-renew ng passport kahit 2 years pa before expiration? tawagin nalang nating "upgrade" from old to new...langya ang DFA ilang weeks na yung inquiry ala pang reply.

gusto mo makakuha ng MRP? usually kz dapat ang renewal eh six months before expiry date. chaka yun nga, meh major flaw: alang signature ng passport holder.

a s i a n a

January 7th, 2008, 06:12 PM

Something interesting (I don't know if all of you would be).

http://www.boeingstore.com/images/products/550050020043_b.jpg
This Douglas World Cruiser Wood Model is made in the Philippines,
together will all Boeing collector's item (historic) planes in the Boeing Store. (http://www.boeingstore.com/catalog/index.cfm?fuseaction=product&theParentId=81&id=3564)

Chrisvenz

January 8th, 2008, 04:16 AM

Arkdriver

January 8th, 2008, 06:40 AM

i dont really sure about travelling time from manila to clark but i took bus from SM megamall to clark it only took 1 hour-ish only. Morning around 730am

pi_malejana

January 8th, 2008, 07:43 AM

^^ take the same route at around 12nn and you'll probably get a different result..:)

a s i a n a

January 8th, 2008, 10:55 AM

^^It's only online @ boeingstore.com (www.boeingstore.com).

kiretoce

January 8th, 2008, 07:14 PM

Philippines to sign Asia-wide open skies deal (http://business.inquirer.net/money/topstories/view_article.php?article_id=111184)

MANILA, Philippines -- The Philippines will sign an Asia-wide open skies agreement by December, Transportation and Communications Secretary Leandro Mendoza said Tuesday.

“ASEAN [Association of Southeast Asian Nations] member-countries agreed in 2004 to adopt open skies in the region beginning with unlimited flights between capital cities by December 2008,” Mendoza said in an interview.

“Japan, Korea and China are also expected to sign,” he said. “The next step for the Philippines after the signing is the ratification of the agreement by the Senate.”

The Philippine negotiating panel may also take up a call of Philippine Airlines (PAL) -- the only private-sector flag carrier in the ASEAN region -- for the Philippines to push for abolition of subsidies and favors to state-owned carriers before region-wide liberalization.

“But what would really allow the Philippines to take advantage of the expected influx in tourists due to open skies is having a good airline hub and the expansion activities of airlines,” Mendoza said. “Good thing that PAL is expanding, Cebu Pacific is expanding, also Air Philippines and SEAir.”

He said China alone could be a source of 100 million tourists a year.

A big increase in passengers could be accommodated by a new airline hub being developed in the Clark Special Economic Zone, north of Manila, Mendoza said.

The Diosdado Macapagal International Airport in Clark is being expanded at a cost of P130 million, entirely with internal cash of the government’s Clark International Airport Corp., he said

The first phase will be finished this month and increase Clark’s capacity to two million passengers a year, and the second phase will increase capacity to five million passengers, he added.

“Other airports are also being developed in tourist areas to allow the entry of A320s and other commercial planes,” Mendoza said. “These airports are expected to be finished around 2010 so we will be prepared for the full implementation of open sky in 2015.”

absinthe_888

January 8th, 2008, 08:22 PM

better open naia 3 asap and develop clark pronto then...

absinthe_888

January 8th, 2008, 08:54 PM

Raven83

January 8th, 2008, 08:57 PM

^^ and C2 at Cebu Pacific cost Php50! Considering that PAL is lowering their rates in competition with 5J, it's really not worth it taking 5J nowadays.

pinas4real

January 8th, 2008, 09:06 PM

I guess this is the same reason why international airports are sprouting in various provinces.

bustero

January 9th, 2008, 01:32 AM

hope it's true

hakhaimo

January 9th, 2008, 02:23 AM

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj235/hakhaimo/AirportsinMindanao.jpg

ianers_ianized

January 9th, 2008, 06:15 AM

^^^ Plus someone told me that the seats are not reclinable and seat pitch is limited, it makes your flight uncomfortable

Chrisvenz

January 9th, 2008, 06:16 AM

i think it would be cool if we have pal plane with jeepney livery!

wow, so cool... I think they need that livery for promoting the Philippines in Europe and America... It will be a big hit....:lol:

^^ and C2 at Cebu Pacific cost Php50! Considering that PAL is lowering their rates in competition with 5J, it's really not worth it taking 5J nowadays.

5J?? sucks!!! mahal kasi lahat dahil ang laki ng utang nila sa Airbus company...

Ahh....the flights of fancy for people whose minds are still stuck in their childhood. :ohno:

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

FrancisXavier

January 9th, 2008, 06:20 AM

PR or 5J? im taking 2P next thursday.. yun lang kasi may promo... :naughty:

blueguy

January 9th, 2008, 06:28 AM

May mga models ng A380 na may Philippine Airlines at Cebu Pacific livery, tingnan niyo ito:

Translation:
There are models of A380 with Philippine Airlines and Cebu Pacific livery, check out this:

Philippine Airlines:
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/download?mid=cf71f5442c4120db37678474be485ca&rtyp=lt&ctyp=other

Cebu Pacific:
http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/download?mid=3a9a1ab4db1ab1bcbae02f22853ad95c&rtyp=lt&ctyp=other

Personally, mas gusto ko ang Philippine Airlines.
Translation: Personally, I prefer Philippine Airlines.

Alam niyo ba na dahil sa great value Cebu Pac na yan na always on time...na sacrifice ang safety inspection nila....base sa isang reliable source sa MCIA, the usual 45 mins na 360 degrees thorough check ng piloto nila di nagagawa kaya mukhang magsasasuffer ang accreditation ng mga international airports beacuse of this. :ohno::ohno: Some international airlines in Mactan are already complaining sa ganitong practice ng Cebu Pacific... naku yung 45 mins ginawang 15 mins lang kasi daming flights na hinahabol... tapos food for sale sa flights....grrrrr kinakabahan ako, baka next time pati oxygen mask for sale na rin....:lol::lol: Sa tagal ko nang nagbabyahe almost twice a month by plane... twice pa lang ako nakasakay sa Cebupac...round trip last oct...ewan ko mukhang di na ako uulit...PAL na lang ako

mwg12a

January 9th, 2008, 07:26 AM

Crazy4Airplanes

January 9th, 2008, 08:43 AM

^^^ Plus someone told me that the seats are not reclinable and seat pitch is limited, it makes your flight uncomfortable

^^ parang bus? hehehe. literal na Airbus 319/320. hehehe. tamang tama may nagtitinda ng C2 sa loob. dapat nasa balde, tapos dapat may nagbebenta ng itlog ng pugo, mani, kasoy, buko pie, espasol, mineral (shempre nasa balde din), storck, juicy, double mint, mentos at yung orange slices na candy. at para authentic ang experience, yung FA na nagbebenta ay dapat lalake, na madungis, naka shorts na maong, blue long sleeve shirt at may tuwalya sa balikat. hehehe. Haaaayy....5J bulok!!!!!!!

a s i a n a

January 9th, 2008, 10:08 AM

^^ You're so rude. How can you say bulok to 5J?! Do you own an airline? You justify first before calling bulok to 5J.

^^^ Kasi nga LCC, no frills... Gusto ng CebuPac na makapag-offer ng mababang pamasahe, kailangan talaga na bawasan ng Luxury ang service nila. So, ngayon, marami na na Filipino ang nakaka-offord ng airfare, kahit sa regional international. Now, when it comes to safety. 5J does need to make sure they are not compromising safety when it comes to shaving off some of their expenses. Mga domestic flight naman sa Pilipinas, kalimitan, isa or mahigit na isang oras lang, bakit ba gusto natin na full service na comparable sa mga interntional long haul travels???

So true.

That's what I hate about some people here who have comparable IQ with DOTC. This thread is stupid per se. Why would you compare a legacy airline to a low-cost carrier? Oh God, if you'd hate ending in a "snack-less" flight, then better yet get some penny from your pocket and take a PAL flight. If you care for nothing except to reach Point B from Point A then go for 5J. That's simple logic.

It's like comparing a carinderia with a fine dining restaurant. :bash:

5J caters in a different market. So stop comparing them because they're two polarities.

Sou-jiro

January 9th, 2008, 10:44 AM

^^^ great i hope all thats pushes through

anyway i thought I'd postthis since its the first thing i saw on tv since i got home from work today

Qantas flight ordeal
Updated: 20:05, Wednesday January 9, 2008

A major safety investigation is underway after a Qantas 747 lost all electrical power, 15 minutes before it was due to land at Bangkok.

Flight QF2 had to rely on a battery back-up system during its decent into Bangkok airport, when all mains power suddenly shut off and the aircrafts pilots were forced to land the plane relying only on the back-up system.

While no one was hurt, aviation experts concede that had the flight been further away from an airport, the passengers could have been in serious danger.

'Once the batteries had run out, then the aircraft would have been without...would have had a total power failure and wouldn't have had any power available at all,' said Julian Walsh of the Transport Safety Bureau.

'It would be an extremely serous situation and a difficult situation for the crew to manage', he added.

The flight touched down in Sydney more than 30 hours late and some passengers say they were unaware of the potential danger that they were in.

'the lights were flickering quite a lot, so people were sort of Chinese-whispering and said, 'was it an electrical fault', right from London - but no one knew', said Steve Butler who was on board the plane.

Other passengers were glad not to be fully aware of the situation until they were safely on the ground.

'Absolutely relieved; just happy to be home. It's probably better that we don't know all that stuff when you're actually on the plane.

The Transport Safety Bureau says if the power failure was caused by leaking water.

Qantas has inspected its entire 747 fleet, and have declared all the aircraft safe to fly.

* More News

Sou-jiro

January 9th, 2008, 11:22 AM

Hawaiian Announces Schedule, Fares for New Manila Flights

Flights will commence from Honolulu on April 14 and from Manila on April 17, 2008, with four flights per week. Ticket sales have begun on the airline's website and through its reservations call center, as well as through travel agents in the U.S. and the Philippines.

Hawaiian's Flight #455 will depart Honolulu International Airport on Sundays, Mondays, Wednesdays, and Fridays at 12:30 p.m. and arrive at Ninoy Aquino International Airport in Manila the following day at 5:15 p.m. Return Flight #456 will depart Manila on Mondays, Tuesdays, Thursdays, and Saturdays at 7:00 p.m. and arrive in Honolulu the same day at 11:15 a.m. (Manila is 18 hours ahead of Honolulu and the flight crosses the International Dateline.)

Roundtrip fares for the new service begin at $848 in Coach Class and can be purchased online at http://www.HawaiianAirlines.com or by calling Hawaiian toll-free at 1-800-367-5320, or in the Philippines at 02-860-2300.

Mark Dunkerley, Hawaiian's president and CEO, said, "We have been energized by the community's enthusiastic response to the announcement of our new Manila service and now that we can take reservations for travel starting in April, the excitement is building. We look forward to bringing our industry-leading service to the Philippines and expanding travel choices and opportunities for families and businesses on both ends of the route."

Hawaiian will operate the new nonstop route using its, wide-body, twin-aisle Boeing 767-300ER aircraft that seat up to 264 passengers. The comfort and convenience of Hawaiian's 2-3-2 seating configuration provides either window or aisle seating to 86 percent of the passengers. The flight time is approximately 10 hours.

Manila will be Hawaiian's first gateway into Asia. The new service will make Hawaiian the only U.S. carrier providing nonstop service between Manila and Honolulu and will more than double current capacity on the route. Approximately 170,000 people traveled between Manila and Hawaii last year.

Hawaiian was ranked as America's #1 airline in the 2007 Airline Quality Ratings. This comprehensive industry-wide study evaluated the overall performance of the nation's 18 largest carriers using a weighted average of 15 elements in four major areas important to consumers when judging quality in airline services.

Hawaiian has also recorded the best overall service performance as measured by DOT in 2004, 2005 and 2006 and been the nation's #1 on-time airline for 44 of the past 49 months.

About Hawaiian Airlines

The nation's top-ranked airline for service in the 2007 Airline Quality Ratings, Hawaiian also led all U.S. carriers in on-time performance for 2004, 2005 and 2006 (including a record 36 consecutive months from November 2003 to October 2006,) and in fewest misplaced bags for 2005 and 2006, as reported by the U.S. Department of Transportation. Consumer surveys by Conde Nast Traveler, Travel + Leisure and Zagat have all ranked Hawaiian as the top domestic airline serving Hawaii.

Now in its 79th year of continuous service in Hawaii, Hawaiian is the state's biggest and longest-serving airline, as well as the second largest provider of passenger air service between the U.S. mainland and Hawaii. Hawaiian offers nonstop service to Hawaii from more U.S. gateway cities than any other airline (nine), as well as service to Australia, American Samoa and Tahiti. Hawaiian also provides approximately 100 daily jet flights among the Hawaiian Islands.

Hawaiian Airlines, Inc. is a subsidiary of Hawaiian Holdings, Inc. (Amex: HA). Additional information is available at HawaiianAirlines.com.

jyvo_rez

January 9th, 2008, 12:06 PM

^^ parang bus? hehehe. literal na Airbus 319/320. hehehe. tamang tama may nagtitinda ng C2 sa loob. dapat nasa balde, tapos dapat may nagbebenta ng itlog ng pugo, mani, kasoy, buko pie, espasol, mineral (shempre nasa balde din), storck, juicy, double mint, mentos at yung orange slices na candy. at para authentic ang experience, yung FA na nagbebenta ay dapat lalake, na madungis, naka shorts na maong, blue long sleeve shirt at may tuwalya sa balikat. hehehe. Haaaayy....5J bulok!!!!!!!

Ah parang ikaw hehehe:lol: your disrespectful pinoy!:ohno:

Pasalamat kayo sa mga LCC like 5J kasi kung walang competition ang PAL ay mahal pa rin pamasahe at hindi lahat ng mga pinoy maka-experience makasakay ng airplane. Kung may pera kayo for extra luxury go for PAL at kung gusto nyo ng simple lang na byahe at your in a tight budget go for 5J!

ngprofflorida

January 9th, 2008, 12:27 PM

Bacolod City, Philippines Wednesday, January 9, 2008

Vice president to open
airport in Silay Jan. 18
LAST BACOLOD FLIGHT JAN. 17 – DOTC
BY CARLA GOMEZ
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The P5.6 billion new Bacolod-Silay Airport will open on Jan. 18 and the old airport in Bacolod City that began operations in 1936 will close down after the last flight out on Jan. 17, Edgar Mangalili, Department of Transportation and Communication airport project director, said yesterday.

Expected to attend the inauguration of the new airport of international standards in Silay City is Vice President Noli de Castro, DOTC Secretary Leandro Mendoza and Rep. Juan Miguel “Mikey” Arroyo (Pampanga, 2 nd district) , Vice Gov. Isidro Zayco said.

The first flight into the new airport on Jan 18 will be Cebu Pacific from Manila that will arrive at 5:10 a.m. , followed by Philippines Airlines at 6:40 a.m. and Air Philippines as 7:20 a.m. , Mangalili told the DAILY STAR.
The inaugural rites that will include the cutting of a ribbon and the unveiling of a marker will be at 9 a.m. , he added.

Paving of the McKinley road to the airport in Silay has been completed, Mangalili said.

Antonio Alfonso, Air Transportation Office - Bacolod manager, said the Bacolod airport will be shut down on Jan. 17, it cannot be retained because of its proximity to the Silay airport that is within the prohibited distance set by the International Civil Aviation Organization.

The navigational equipment of the old airport will be distributed to government owned airports in need of them, he said.

Meanwhile, all ATO personnel will be transferred to the airport in Silay. The ATO approved workforce for the new airport is 150, including security personnel, he said.

The Land Transportation Franchising and Regulatory Board has been tasked to approve applicants for a shuttle system to the new airport at affordable rates, he said.

Negros historian Modesto Sa-onoy said the Bacolod airport was built 1936 by the Lopez family to service the Iloilo Negros Air Express Co. flights to Bacolod , Manila and Iloilo .

After World War II it was purchased by Philippine Airlines, he said.

The government extension to the privately owned Bacolod airport was constructed over the years to accommodate larger airplanes, Sa-onoy said.

Out of the 37.5 hectares comprising the current Bacolod airport, 20 hectares belongs to PAL and 17.5 hectares to the national government.

The Bacolod airport has since seen the arrival of Pope John Paul II in February 1981, heads of states and dignitaries, celebrities, including Hollywood stars, to Negros Occidental, Sa-onoy said.

Job Lamela, PAL Bacolod manager, said the 39 PAL employees, are ready to transfer to the new airport when it opens.

PAL began flights to the Bacolod airport in 1954.

In the present Bacolod airport, PAL flies in 15,000 passengers a month, Lamela said.

He said the new airport will be good for passengers because it has new and modern flight navigational equipment and better terminal facilities.*CPG

jyvo_rez

January 9th, 2008, 12:28 PM

SugarFreak

January 9th, 2008, 12:29 PM

Kabankalan City Airport updates in Negros Occidental
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Kabankalan City – As part of its Capital Investment Program under the 2004-2013 City Development Strategy, the City Government of Kabankalan has already started the 1st phase of the establishment of its locally-funded Kabankalan City Domestic Airport.

This 5-year multi-million pesos joint project of the City Government of Kabankalan, the Provincial Government of Negros Occidental and the National Government is expected to be completed and operationalized by year 2010.

According to the Air Transportation Office (ATO) recommendation, the proposed airport is to be constructed on a green field site in Sitio Cabangahan, Barangay Hilamonan, Kabankalan City. The site is situated on a hilly portion 35 meters above sea level, based on NAMRIA topographic map and is about four (4) kilometers northeast of Kabankalan thru the existing Barangay road.

Initially, it will have cargo and passenger terminals, control tower building, and loading and navigation systems. The runway will be about 3 kilometers long and 30 meters wide.

Setting up of a domestic airport in this southern part of Negros Occidental will be crucial to providing market access and better delivery of social services as well as promoting the booming tourism industry not only in the City but in the neighboring LGU’s whose tourism potential are not fully harnessed yet.

<<< View Movie (http://www.kabankalancity.gov.ph/KabankalanAirport.wmv)>>>
http://www.kabankalancity.gov.ph/KabankalanAirport.wmv

barrera_marquez

January 9th, 2008, 12:34 PM

Alam niyo ba na dahil sa great value Cebu Pac na yan na always on time...na sacrifice ang safety inspection nila....base sa isang reliable source sa MCIA, the usual 45 mins na 360 degrees thorough check ng piloto nila di nagagawa kaya mukhang magsasasuffer ang accreditation ng mga international airports beacuse of this. :ohno::ohno: Some international airlines in Mactan are already complaining sa ganitong practice ng Cebu Pacific... naku yung 45 mins ginawang 15 mins lang kasi daming flights na hinahabol... tapos food for sale sa flights....grrrrr kinakabahan ako, baka next time pati oxygen mask for sale na rin....:lol::lol: Sa tagal ko nang nagbabyahe almost twice a month by plane... twice pa lang ako nakasakay sa Cebupac...round trip last oct...ewan ko mukhang di na ako uulit...PAL na lang ako

Yes, I also think the same thing. I wonder if they could survive in the challenges PAL took. Especially the PAL Flight 434 and the bankruptcy of PAL which nearly brought it to closure.

gen1

January 9th, 2008, 12:37 PM

^^^ Plus someone told me that the seats are not reclinable and seat pitch is limited, it makes your flight uncomfortable

they're reclinable, except for one of the exit row seats.

i flew to mnl dvo last dec with tickets bought during the P1 seat sale. Cost me less than P2500 for round trip tickets.

That's cheaper than taking the murderous Philtranco non-aircon manila davao bus (the cheapest way to travel to davao before the advent of cebu pacific).

I've flown roughly two round trips monthly using cebu pacific since 2001. I have no complaints.

a s i a n a

January 9th, 2008, 02:55 PM

Pasalamat kayo sa mga LCC like 5J kasi kung walang competition ang PAL ay mahal pa rin pamasahe at hindi lahat ng mga pinoy maka-experience makasakay ng airplane. Kung may pera kayo for extra luxury go for PAL at kung gusto nyo ng simple lang na byahe at your in a tight budget go for 5J!

Correct!

Akala kasi nang iba, when you ride on PR nakakaangat at mayayaman na. Oh crap, that's an illusion. It doesn't mean that only cheapos ride on airlines like 5J.

a s i a n a

January 9th, 2008, 02:56 PM

^^Frankly, those five domestic flights are too ambitious. Ormoc, I believe, has more potential. :)
And fifty years from now, we will have Asia's worst international gateway but every town will have its own airport.

Crazy4Airplanes

January 9th, 2008, 03:00 PM

^^ You're so rude. How can you say bulok to 5J?! Do you own an airline? You justify first before calling bulok to 5J.

granted. i don't have that much money to own an airline. and i don't need to justify my statement as it was an opinion. And besides, if you'd read thru the posts of people here who, like me, dislikes CEB service, those are already justifications.

Regarding my supposed rudeness, i wasnt trying to be rude. i was making a point: that CEB, in their efforts to provide cheap airline tickets, forgot even the basics of air travel which includes inflight meals, in flight entertainment, and basic amenities. Even the legroom of their seats are too short for tall people like me. I wouldn't even be surprised if one day, they are gonna sell their live vests on board.

They claim to provide Air Travel to people who can't afford more expensive airlines like PAL. So my question is this. How come they sell their C2 iced tea for 50 per small bottle? I buy the liter bottle all the time and it only costs 20 bucks per bottle. Kung talagang gusto nila tulungan ang mga tao, bakit ang mahal ng binebenta nilang food on board? And besides, mas mahal ang tour packages ng CEB than PAL. Check nyo sa websites. Sa swingaround/palakbayan ng PAL at fun tours ng CEB na land arrangements lang. dadagdagan m pa ng ticket price na available. Pag dinagdag mo, mas mahal aabutin. Tsaka ang panget ng departure time ng CEB going to say Singapore or Bangkok. The schedule of their flight MNK-BKK is 10:05pm-12:20am. napakalate na!!! hindi convenient. then their flight to manila napaka aga naman. 1:10am-5:25am. Sayang naman ang isang araw sa BKK kasi hindi mo mamamaximise yung last day mo sa BKK. with SIN service naman ganun din. MNL-SIN is 8:30pm-11:55pm at SIN-MNL is 12:40am-4:05am. Ayusin naman nila ang timetable nila. And dati, nung kumuha kami ng maid sa Davao, we provided for her airfare. Gusto ng mom ko CEB para daw mura. Nagsisi sya!!! Ang nangyari, hindi dumating ang confirmation email/eticket sa akin. tumatawag ako sa CEB pero walang sumasagot. Sabi no frills daw? frills na pala ang pagdating ng eticket sa email.

Chrisvenz

January 9th, 2008, 03:24 PM

^^^ Kasi nga LCC, no frills... Gusto ng CebuPac na makapag-offer ng mababang pamasahe, kailangan talaga na bawasan ng Luxury ang service nila. So, ngayon, marami na na Filipino ang nakaka-offord ng airfare, kahit sa regional international. Now, when it comes to safety. 5J does need to make sure they are not compromising safety when it comes to shaving off some of their expenses. Mga domestic flight naman sa Pilipinas, kalimitan, isa or mahigit na isang oras lang, bakit ba gusto natin na full service na comparable sa mga interntional long haul travels???

kasi naman... diba may kasabihan ENJOY YOUR FLIGHT AND HAPPY TRIP...
paano mo naman ma eenjoy kung yung service naman ng CEBPAC ay wlang kwenta... Buti pa ang air phil, they serve free food and juice. Why not, eh bakit yung Vietnam airlines, kahit domestic lang yung route nila, the service they have is like your in a 4 star restaurant...:ohno:

So true.

That's what I hate about some people here who have comparable IQ with DOTC. This thread is stupid per se. Why would you compare a legacy airline to a low-cost carrier? Oh God, if you'd hate ending in a "snack-less" flight, then better yet get some penny from your pocket and take a PAL flight. If you care for nothing except to reach Point B from Point A then go for 5J. That's simple logic.

It's like comparing a carinderia with a fine dining restaurant. :bash:

5J caters in a different market. So stop comparing them because they're two polarities.

uhm, carinderia and fine dining restaurant, for me soo cool... i never compare the carinderia and fine dining restaurant, kasi lahat doon ay pagkain... eh yung 5j walang pagkain...:ohno:

jogavilz

January 9th, 2008, 03:28 PM

i think kabankalan will not have 5 flights when and if it starts to operate.....it's not a well-known place to many filipinos

Chrisvenz

January 9th, 2008, 03:37 PM

Marami namang airport dito sa pinas na hindi nagagamit yun nalang ang i-upgrade at di puro gastos na lang sa paggawa ng bagong airport. Dito sa Ormoc may airport pero walang commercial flight, nuon may Asian Spirit pero di nagtagal at ngayon ginawa nalang training center ng isang flying school.

at least naging useful siya, kaysa naging tambakan ng mga basura... good for ormoc, un nga lang walng commercial airline nag service ngyon...:ohno:

a s i a n a

January 9th, 2008, 04:34 PM

granted. i don't have that much money to own an airline. and i don't need to justify my statement as it was an opinion. And besides, if you'd read thru the posts of people here who, like me, dislikes CEB service, those are already justifications.

Regarding my supposed rudeness, i wasnt trying to be rude. i was making a point: that CEB, in their efforts to provide cheap airline tickets, forgot even the basics of air travel which includes inflight meals, in flight entertainment, and basic amenities. Even the legroom of their seats are too short for tall people like me. I wouldn't even be surprised if one day, they are gonna sell their live vests on board.

They claim to provide Air Travel to people who can't afford more expensive airlines like PAL. So my question is this. How come they sell their C2 iced tea for 50 per small bottle? I buy the liter bottle all the time and it only costs 20 bucks per bottle. Kung talagang gusto nila tulungan ang mga tao, bakit ang mahal ng binebenta nilang food on board? And besides, mas mahal ang tour packages ng CEB than PAL. Check nyo sa websites. Sa swingaround/palakbayan ng PAL at fun tours ng CEB na land arrangements lang. dadagdagan m pa ng ticket price na available. Pag dinagdag mo, mas mahal aabutin. Tsaka ang panget ng departure time ng CEB going to say Singapore or Bangkok. The schedule of their flight MNK-BKK is 10:05pm-12:20am. napakalate na!!! hindi convenient. then their flight to manila napaka aga naman. 1:10am-5:25am. Sayang naman ang isang araw sa BKK kasi hindi mo mamamaximise yung last day mo sa BKK. with SIN service naman ganun din. MNL-SIN is 8:30pm-11:55pm at SIN-MNL is 12:40am-4:05am. Ayusin naman nila ang timetable nila. And dati, nung kumuha kami ng maid sa Davao, we provided for her airfare. Gusto ng mom ko CEB para daw mura. Nagsisi sya!!! Ang nangyari, hindi dumating ang confirmation email/eticket sa akin. tumatawag ako sa CEB pero walang sumasagot. Sabi no frills daw? frills na pala ang pagdating ng eticket sa email.

You know what, you seem not to understand it. Ano pake mo kung hindi nagbibigay ng food ang 5J? Then the basic ammenities? As repeated for a million times, they do it because they are a low-cost carrier... again, low-cost carrier. Rather than bashing their really inconvenient times and the absence of food, come to think of it... simply just don't fly with them. What's really wrong with people who rant and rant is that they don't think of the possible consequences... they just blame it to the airline, but who made the initial step? I rather accept complaints of passengers stranded and denied boarding than those who complain that C2's are worth 50 pesos. Kung alam niyong sosyal pala kayo, matangkad at madaling magutom sa plane, dapat alam niyong mali na ang desisyon niyong mag-5J. Don't you know how to research? Have you never asked people their experiences with 5J? Coz if you do hear some negative, then you must not have tried 5J ever!!

In that case of not being served with any food, don't you have any money to buy for food in the terminal?

Again, don't fly 5J. If you want to eat but ride cheaper, get fifty pesos from your wallet and buy doughnuts. And oh, I forgot. I've never seen coffee in Waterfront Hotels that cost less than 50 pesos. But why not question the hotel's pricing scheme? Have you ever made a visit to a resort where Coke's regular bottles are sold at same prices as those sold outside?

I really hope people here should come to realize this: LCC and Legacy. OMG, this has been the most difficult lesson ever.

a s i a n a

January 9th, 2008, 04:41 PM

kasi naman... diba may kasabihan ENJOY YOUR FLIGHT AND HAPPY TRIP...
paano mo naman ma eenjoy kung yung service naman ng CEBPAC ay wlang kwenta... Buti pa ang air phil, they serve free food and juice. Why not, eh bakit yung Vietnam airlines, kahit domestic lang yung route nila, the service they have is like your in a 4 star restaurant...:ohno:

uhm, carinderia and fine dining restaurant, for me soo cool... i never compare the carinderia and fine dining restaurant, kasi lahat doon ay pagkain... eh yung 5j walang pagkain...:ohno:

If your first flight of 5J was really bad, then I shouldn't blame you of complaining that. But if you had a really bad first flight and again tried 5J for the second time for "second chances" and had the "mishaps" for the second time around, then blame yourself. That's simple, think.

The carinderia and restaurant thing... personally, both. I've been to a carinderia and I really enjoyed their food and service. But I stopped going to that carinderia because they have rats. So, I simply release some extra penny and try that airconditioned Jollibee in the corner near our school. :cheers:

Regarding airline delays and flights cancelled, I'd rather have my LCC flight cancelled than my legacy airline-flight delayed. It's not worth the price IMHO.

gen1

January 9th, 2008, 04:51 PM

blueguy

January 9th, 2008, 04:52 PM

a s i a n a

January 9th, 2008, 05:00 PM

blueguy, that's the right thing to complain about since it's the safety here that matters.:)

Arkdriver

January 9th, 2008, 05:14 PM

crazyforairplane,

it's not just only bupak, air asia do it too, so does tiger airways, nok air, jet star and the lcc list goes on. It's part of their business. stop complaining. inflight entertainment, wide legroom, and inflight meals is not a basic things for air travel anymore. You can do the less than 4 hour flight without all your 'necessities'. the very idea of providing food and all that is prehistoric business mentality for budget airline business. move on pare...

havent been on bupak flight, but i guess it's just the same like any other LCC. if u want cheap ticket go online during promotion. of course you gonna pay about the same if you book flight 1-2 days before planned departure date.

terrapinoy

January 9th, 2008, 05:17 PM

for short trips I don't mind having no onboard snacks. they're usually hideous anyway. all airlines, no exceptions.

for long haul flights, I always tell myself "this is the last time I'm riding coach. next time it's business class for me".

But everytime the "next time" comes around, I can't bear paying twice the economy rate just to have a few more inches of leg room and somewhat better grub. :lol:

:lol::lol: This is classic. This is the same thing I say every trip. Last trip from Manila was using Japan Airlines to Narita and United Airlines from Narita to Washington D.C.

The Japan Airlines leg was great even though the 747 was getting old. Service was great. Now on the United leg, the plane (a 777 nonetheless) was cramped, food was horrible and my seatmate was at least 300 pounds and his body crept into my space. Would I use United again? Heck yeah.. the price is right and the schedules works best for me.

Just like with Cebu Pacific, I know what I am getting. Been using Cebu Pacific since 1998. It gets me there safely, and the price is right. On an hour flight, the food an snacks can wait. There are probably better carinderias at my destination.:)

kiretoce

January 9th, 2008, 05:20 PM

Question: Is everything onboard an Asian LCCs for sale? Here in the US, LCCs still have complimentary beverage service, except for alcoholic drinks. They did away with the free peanuts/pretzels though, but they have snack boxes for sale with better food options.

Crazy4Airplanes

January 9th, 2008, 05:30 PM

^^
okey. the only reason why i brought up the issue about the overpriced c2 iced tea bottles was becaue i wanted to point out na ang CEB, hindi din sila nakakatulong sa pagtitipid ng mga passengers kasi binabawi lang naman nila sa mga binebenta nilang food on board.

And ako, sa totoo lang, nagpaparinig ako sa mga staff ng hotel everytime na bibili ako ng coke sa kanila dahil 150 ang isa. Pero expected naman kasi sa hotel yon kasi sosyalan ang place na yon. pero ang CEB, na ilang beses na natin pinoint out na LCC, hindi dapat sila nagbebenta ng ganon kamahal na food. Kaya nga LOW COST CARRIER eh.

And i wasnt ranting about their schedule. Pag sinabing rant, salita ako ng salita dito na walang pinagbabasehan at wala akong point. pero meron naman. cige. lets say na may pupunta dito to bangkok. meron bang tao na gugustuhin pa na dadating sya ng bangkok madaling araw na? diba extra pang gabi sa hotel yun. e di mapapamahal pa lalo. please look at the entire picture, kung magtotour package ka inclusive of airfare, hotel and transfers, its not worth taking CEB. karamihan sa mga passengers, gusto mag tour. pero paano mo mamamaximize ang tour mo kung ala una ka ng umaga aalis dun sa pinuntahan mong bansa. Sayang yung araw na yun. wala ka na nagawa. Mag extend ka naman ng isa pang gabi sa hotel, mag mamahal lalo. e di mag pa PAL nako, inclusive din naman ng lahat, convenient ang schedule, mas makakamura ka sa makukuha mong package, full service pa at mamamaximize ko pa ang oras ko. malalaki pa ang eroplano. ang CEB kasi mura lang ang ticket, pero ang packages nila mahal.

Also, nagbigay ako ng valid issue ah, yung tungkol sa maid namin na galing DVO. Talagang hindi dumating ang email!!! tumatawag ako sa hotline ng cebu pacific pero walang sumasagot. pumunta ako sa office nila pero hanggang ngayon hindi pa din nila nababalik sa akin pera ko. ciguro yung mga boto pa din sa CEB, hindi pa sila nakakaexperience ma dyahe kaya all praises pa din cila with ceb. Pero para sa akin, na na nabudol budol ng cebupacific, malabo na talaga ako matuwa pa sa kanila noh.

sana wag naman tayo magreact ng pagalit sa mga posts dito. respeto naman. nasa hustong pag iisip na tayo. nakaka bastos kasi eh. kaya nga forums eh. NAG UUSAP tayo dito. kung walang different opinions, di hindi na tayo nag uusap nun. porque pa tayo nagforums?

a s i a n a

January 9th, 2008, 06:28 PM

^^The email not received is different, and you, as a customer, have the right to complain.

Regarding those inconvenient times, why not spend your time by roaming in Bangkok's downtown or by taking pictures in Suvarnabhumi if you don't like spending an extra night in a hotel. My perception is that most of 5J's passengers are leisure travelers, so it wouldn't be a hassle for them to lakwatsa with their backpacks just to avoid an extra night in inns.

richard24

January 9th, 2008, 07:04 PM

someone from ceb pac replied to the spreading e-mails with my blog post., :)

http://janmania.blogspot.com/2008/01/to-cebu-pacific.html

This was an e-mail reply from Cebu Pacific to the post: http://janmania.blogspot.com/2008/01/cebu-pacific-horror.html
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To the originator of this e-mail...

You might want to undergo a few minutes of GMRC Course...

You're accusing of our staff of being impolite and yet the way that you express your disappointment and what you did to the picture of our staff was just plain spiteful. If you want to criticize something or someone, atleast make it constructive, not destructive...No one deserves to be treated this way. This was NOBODY's fault, and IM SURE our staff did whatever they can to satisfy your demands but not everything is under his and/or their control.

I just prayed that KARMA wont happen to you...

God Bless!
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This was an E-mail sent to my cousin who forwarded my blog's link to other people. Apparently, it reached Cebu Pacific. Now, since I started to vent out my emotions about the incident in this blog, I would want to answer their reply IN this blog.

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Ms. -------------

THANK YOU VERY MUCH! You are the first one from Cebu Pacific who actually addressed our concerns. I've been trying to contact your company's customer service department, although I would assume you're not from Cebu Pacific's customer service department, I'm happy nonetheless, that someone from your company replied to this matter.

First of all, I can't see anything wrong with the way I wrote my blog post. If you think that it was rude and disrespectful, then fine. That is your opinion.

Second, yes. I may have vented my frustrations on my blog post, but dear, you can't blame me (or any of the passengers) for feeling this way. You are obviously part of a service company, and to think that something like this could occur, was surprising (to say the least). Not to mention, your response was a bit of a shock since it came from a reputable service company such as Cebu Pacific, (although I would assume that you do not know what happened last January 1, so I understand your position).

Lastly, I would like to thank you again for your interest in this matter. I still believe Cebu Pacific is one of the fastest growing companies in the Philippine aviation industry. So I would really want to see Cebu Pacific improve their services since they indeed give every "Juan" a chance to fly!

Thank you!
God bless!
Peace out!

Jan Richard A. Renes
http://janmania.blogspot.com/
jan_renes24@yahoo.com

ps. she used an official cebu pacific email account.

a s i a n a

January 9th, 2008, 07:31 PM

Rich, what you did was right. I hate that manager, sheesh.

sonnyville

January 9th, 2008, 08:53 PM

here it is people.... a new carrier is about to land on our soil. let's hope they are successful and will remain in the RP.

Hawaiian Airlines in the RP. It will be serviced by a Boeing 767-300. I'm looking forward to it! :)

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Namakaeha210/hawaii.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a13/Namakaeha210/hawaii-1.jpg

sorry about that obstruction, saying it's trial. i just downloaded off of cnet, and it is only a trial.

Raven83

January 9th, 2008, 11:14 PM

^^ You're so rude. How can you say bulok to 5J?! Do you own an airline? You justify first before calling bulok to 5J.

That's what I hate about some people here who have comparable IQ with DOTC. This thread is stupid per se. Why would you compare a legacy airline to a low-cost carrier? Oh God, if you'd hate ending in a "snack-less" flight, then better yet get some penny from your pocket and take a PAL flight. If you care for nothing except to reach Point B from Point A then go for 5J. That's simple logic.

It's like comparing a carinderia with a fine dining restaurant. :bash:

5J caters in a different market. So stop comparing them because they're two polarities.

The things is there is almost now pricing difference between PAL and 5J an in some sectors like Manila-Hong Kong flight Ceb Pac is even charging way to higher than PAL , How can they masquerade themselves as an LCC carrier when their actual pricing is similar to that of Legacy carriers and add their crappy services? Yes it is given that LCC cuts corners and all that in important is being on point a to point b and all that yada yada and LCC are the "in" carriers. But please they're making more profit ratio in their total revenues in comparison to Legacies. A little consideration to their passengers wouldn't hurt.:ohno:

tigidig14

January 9th, 2008, 11:45 PM

may kalaban na pal, naku lagot si tan

Raven83

January 10th, 2008, 12:33 AM

^^ Nah they even survived when UAL was here and north asian carriers poaching pax. Anyway I tried booking a flight to west coast for May just to check on their prices.

Trip Summary:Economy

DEPARTING
Monday May 12, 2008
Manila, Philippines to Oahu - Honolulu
MNL to HNL, Flight HA456
7:00 PM - 11:15 AM
HNL to SFO, Flight HA12
1:20 PM - 9:15 PM
RETURNING
Friday June 13, 2008
San Francisco, CA to Oahu - Honolulu
SFO to HNL, Flight HA11
8:50 AM - 10:55 AM
HNL to MNL, Flight HA455
12:30 PM - 5:15 PM (next day)

Actual
Price Per Ticket $1,363.80
1 Passenger x $1,363.80
Taxes & Fees $235.50

Total $1,599.30

Trip Summary:Business Class

DEPARTING
Monday May 12, 2008
Manila, Philippines to Oahu - Honolulu
MNL to HNL, Flight HA456
7:00 PM - 11:15 AM
HNL to SFO, Flight HA12
1:20 PM - 9:15 PM
RETURNING
Friday June 13, 2008
San Francisco, CA to Oahu - Honolulu
SFO to HNL, Flight HA11
8:50 AM - 10:55 AM
HNL to MNL, Flight HA455
12:30 PM - 5:15 PM (next day)

Actual Price Per Ticket $2,326.80
1 Passenger x $2,326.80
Taxes & Fees $235.50

Total $2,562.30

Umm the price in Economy is okey,but considering that it is an advance booking it should have been lower, with B-Class it is a lot cheaper in compare to say NW($4K++), almost similar to PAL(Php106K) and China Airlines(US$2050). But with no PTV's and crappy seats:ohno:

HI Business Class seats
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HI Economy Class seats
http://www.airliners.net/open.file?id=0289041&WxsIERv=Obrvat%20767-33N%2FRE&Wm=0&WdsYXMg=Unjnvvna%20Nve&QtODMg=Ubabyhyh%20-%20Vagreangvbany%20%2F%20Uvpxnz%20NSO%20%28UAY%20%2F%20UVX%20%2F%20CUAY%20%2F%20CUVX%29&ERDLTkt=HFN%20-%20Unjnvv&ktODMp=Bpgbore%203%2C%202002&BP=0&WNEb25u=Revx%20Ahtny&xsIERvdWdsY=A587UN&MgTUQtODMgKE=Pbnpu%20frpgvba%20bs%20UN%27f%20svefg%20767%20jvgu%20gur%20777-fglyr%20vagrevbef.%20Guvf%20n%2Fp%20unf%20gjb%20pbybef%20sbe%20gur%20pbnpu%20frngf-yniraqre%20naq%20oyhr%20gung%20fbzrgvzrf%20ybbxf%20checyr%20%28qrcraqvat%20ba%20gur%20yvtug%20naq%20natyr%29.%20Vs%20lbh%20ybbx%20pybfryl%20ng%20gur%20oyhr%20frngf%20va%20gur%20sbertebhaq%2C%20vg%20vf%20n%20checyr%20jnir%20cnggrea%20ba%20oyhr.%20Gur%20bcra%20bireurnq%20ova%20va%20gur%20onpxtebhaq%20vf%20jurer%20bar%20bs%20gur%20fhccyrzragny%20yvsr%20ensgf%20vf%20fgberq.&YXMgTUQtODMgKERD=17008&NEb25uZWxs=2002-10-27&ODJ9dvCE=&O89Dcjdg=33421%2F887&static=yes&width=1024&height=780&sok=JURER%20%20%28nveyvar%20YVXR%20%27Unjnvvna%20Nve%25%27%29%20%20BEQRE%20OL%20cubgb_vq%20QRFP&photo_nr=2&prev_id=0856240&next_id=0288853&tbl=CABIN

tigidig14

January 10th, 2008, 01:19 AM

oo nga pala nagtratrabaho ka sa pal, sorry

Raven83

January 10th, 2008, 01:37 AM

^^ oi hindi ah,hahahah! Fan lang! lolz.....bakit si Asiana at crazy4airplanes ang daming rin chinichika dito:lol:

le Reine

January 10th, 2008, 01:43 AM

At naging chikahan thread na pala ito. :lol::rofl::jk: lang.

kiretoce

January 10th, 2008, 02:12 AM

@Raven: SFO is on the West Coast, not the East Coast. :colgate:

bitoy

January 10th, 2008, 02:21 AM

^^ going east... :D

Raven83

January 10th, 2008, 03:03 AM

Oh yeah sorry just woke up.....:sleepy::lol:

Sou-jiro

January 10th, 2008, 04:34 AM

^^ The Seats are nothing to go "WOW about...

But somehow i like those colours purple..its nice.....(i think)

anway I heard hawaiian airlines have a good service and much better than othe bigger US carriers...lets hope hope they keep that up when they start in Manila

Enjoy:cheers:

ayyy better get back to work, my manager is back lol..

TAKBO

HI Business Class seats
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January 10th, 2008, 07:52 AM

Arroyo urged to sign civil aviation bill (http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/01102008/nation04.html)
By Recto Mercene
Reporter

THE officer in charge of the Air Transportation Office (ATO) on Wednesday urged President Arroyo to sign a bill that creates the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines (Caap), giving autonomy to the aviation body so funds for a full radar coverage of the country could be made available.

Daniel Dimagiba, ATO OIC, aired the appeal a month after he was appointed to his present post that was vacated by former Assistant Secretary for Air Transportation Nilo Jatico.

“If President Arroyo signs the bill, the Caap would have the funds needed to put up additional long-range radars to beef up existing ones,” Dimagiba said.

At present, the country’s long-range radar is in Tagaytay City. It is supported by terminal, or medium- range radars, located in Subic, Clark, Ninoy Aquino International Airport and Cebu, Dimagiba said.

The long-range radar has a reach of 200 miles while a terminal radar can “see” only up to 60 miles.

He added that long-range radar takes control of aircraft entering the country’s area of responsibility and hands over these aircraft to respective terminal radars that would eventually guide the airplanes to their destination airports.

A terminal radar handles airplanes on final approach.

Owing to lack of funds, the Tagaytay radar is still being used, although its operational life of 20 years has elapsed. A lot of funds are being spent to maintain the radar owing to the frequent repairs and upgrading it needs.

It is now being upgraded and would be back in operation this month.

Dimagiba said that funding is needed to set up long-range radar in Laoag City, for aircraft entering the northern portion of the country and another one in Palawan, for those airplanes coming from the west.

The Tagaytay radar handles aircraft coming from the east, such as Guam, Hawaii, the Micronesian territories and the United States.

A fourth long-range radar is envisioned in Davao City or General Santos City to take care of aircraft entering or leaving in the south.

The Caap would have at its disposal about P3 billion in yearly income and a small portion of this could be set aside to finance the acquisition of long-range radars.

Dimagiba said radar coverage of the whole country remains imperative because the planned Communication, Navigation, Surveillance-Air Traffic Management (CNS-ATM) system would not be on line until 2013.

The CNS-ATM is a worldwide system that would connect the Philippines to the rest of the world’s aviation system in a single, seamless operation, utilizing dozens of orbiting satellites for communication and traffic control.