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Sky Harbor

July 30th, 2008, 01:24 PM

^^
I haven't tried the service yet but the new PAL business and economy class looks like this one

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/8/5/3/0528358.jpg
CL 6510 RECARO BUSINESS CLASS
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/9/2/0/1341029.jpg
CL 3510 RECARO ECONOMY CLASS
It will be the same seat pitch for the new 77W that will be delivered next year.

Philippine Airlines Embarks on US$86 MLN Cabin Upgrade

MANILA, Feb 13 Asia Pulse - Philippine Airlines (PAL) has embarked on a comprehensive P3.5-billion (US$85.7 million) renovation of its long-range wide-body fleet, highlighted by the reconfiguration of the passenger cabin from a tri-class to bi-class layout, along with a major upgrade of the interiors and amenities.

The project, which covers PAL's five Boeing 747-400 and four Airbus A340-300 aircraft, will be implemented in phases with the first aircraft sporting the new interiors in June 2008. The entire program is due to be completed by the last quarter of 2009.

During the transition period, from now until the rollout of the last reconfigured aircraft, all B747-400 and A340-300 flights will be sold as bi-class flights, PAL President Jaime Bautista said.

Bautista said the project involves the installation of state-of-the-art inflight entertainment systems, new business-class and economy-class seats, and the infusion of a new, modern look that emulates the tranquil seas and sandy beaches of the Philippines.

The wide-body reconfiguration dovetails the ongoing modernization program for PALs narrow-body fleet that features many of the same key elements Audio/Video On-Demand (AVOD) technology, German-made Recaro seats, and tropical-themed cabin interiors.

A new, personalized inflight meal service in Mabuhay (Business) Class, called One by One, also complements the cabin upgrade, Bautista said.

The major modification is the reconfiguration of the wide-body aircraft layout from the current tri-class to bi-class, which involves the expansion of the Mabuhay Class section into the erstwhile First Class section.

"The move is intended to address the growing popularity of business-class service and the competitive pressures to upgrade the service", Bautista said.

New interiors, new seats is the focal point of the new Mabuhay Class cabin with its luxurious cocoon seats supplied by Recaro of Germany.

The new seat has a fixed privacy shell that enables the passenger to enjoy utmost privacy while an ergonomic design transforms it into a lie-flat bed.

"The seats are adjustable to a variety of positions at the passengers option. Each seat is equipped with its own programmable position controls with memory, individual directional LED reading light, oversized tray table and bottle holder," he said.

Bautista said the Fiesta (Economy) Class passengers will likewise benefit from the technology their new seats, also from Recaro, are ergonomically designed, with new-generation, thinner seatbacks which provide bigger living space and enhance passengers comfort.

The new cabins will have a generous seat pitch of 60 inches in Mabuhay Class and 32-to-34 inches in Fiesta Class. Cabin aesthetics will likewise be enhanced, Bautista said, with a modern look and ambience that evokes the coastal areas of the Philippines one of the signature elements of the flag carriers service.

Mabuhay Class seats will be outfitted in plush, deep-blue upholstery accented with touches of silvery-copper threads that simulate reflections of light on water Fiesta Class seats feature the same undulating wave-pattern design in a blue, aqua and terracotta palette. The relaxed, tropical feel extends to the front and back ends of the cabin where interiors, curtains, carpets and surfaces are in various shades of blue, white, gray, silver and tan.

Further, the entire cabin on reconfigured aircraft will be equipped with AVOD technology a fully digital inflight entertainment system that enables both Mabuhay and Fiesta Class passengers to choose from a full library of video and audio content.

Each seat will be outfitted with personal TV and passengers can start, pause, rewind, and fast-forward any of the video programs at any time using the touch-screen controls or the passenger control units.

The AVOD system gives passengers a wide range of digital on-demand entertainment options they can individually select from a variety of digital games and entertainment programs anytime.

The selection includes 18 of the latest Hollywood movies, two Tagalog-language films, eight popular TV programs, 12 radio channels and 50 CD albums.

Each passenger can also create his own audio playlist from the collection of CD albums. On-screen instructions are available in English, Chinese, Japanese and Korean.

Digital games include Tetris, Bejeweled, Galaktor, Reversi, Bookworm, Solitaire, Head-to-Head Chess and the inflight Trivia Challenge. Noise-canceling headsets and in-seat power for laptops are provided in Mabuhay Class.

As well, the Mabuhay Class cabin is equipped with 15.4-inch, seatback-mounted monitors and 10.6-inch, in-arm monitors, while Fiesta Class seats come with 8.9-inch monitors.

Finally, the upgraded interiors and advanced technology will be complemented by a new inflight-meal service method in Mabuhay Class, dubbed One by One, where the service is designed to fit each passengers individual needs.

(PNA (http://sg.biz.yahoo.com/080213/16/4el1h.html))

RECARO SEATS IN PHILIPPINE AIRLINES FLEET

Philippine Airlines (http://www.jainevill.com.ph/news.html) will be installing Recaro seats on most of its aircraft fleet. The airline has selected the full flat CL 6510 Business Class seats in its fleet of B747-400 aircraft, A340 aircraft and its forthcoming B777-300ER aircraft. This remarkable “Full flat” seat has a 12o in-flight sleeping position at a 60” pitch and has a bed length of up to 6.25 feet. Also known in the industry as the “private bed”, Recaro’s lightweight CL 6510 offers an array of comfort features including preset seat positions. Standard features of the seat include reading light, large one-piece tray table, top mounted cocktail table, and an integration of PC power.

Recaro CL3510 Economy class seats will also be installed in the retrofitted B747-400 and A340 aircraft. This lightweight seat with ergonomically designed backrest and bottom cushion is specially designed for long range flights.

In the past, Recaro seats were installed in PAL fleet of A320 aircraft both in business class and economy class and in the economy class section of its fleet of A330 aircraft.

PHILIPPINE AIRLINES SELECTS PANASONIC IFE FOR ITS A340 AND B777 AIRCRAFT FLEET

Philippine Airlines (http://www.jainevill.com.ph/news.html) has chosen Panasonic to supply its eX2 in-flight entertainment (IFE) system on six new Boeing 777-300ER aircraft for delivery beginning in 2009 and in the retrofit of four A340 aircraft which will also be done in 2009.

The eX2 system is the next generation of Panasonic’s X Series advanced in-flight digital entertainment and high speed communication system. The system offers airlines more storage, more passengers per audio/video server and speedier loading times. It contains more than 50 applications and services, offers a variety of handsets and comes with high-resolution display.

I was told in an e-mail from PAL that the first aircraft using the new interior would be out September. Looks like the aircraft are out quite early.

In addition, I was told that PAL will likewise introduce a new airline safety video as part of the cabin refurbishment. Hope they introduce my suggestions (like the use of Filipino, or specifically, PURE Filipino, not the Taglish that PAL is notorious for using).

kiretoce

July 30th, 2008, 02:06 PM

^^ I'd like to see a Taglish safety video, it'd be a hoot if they also did it in a coño accent. :lol:

Sky Harbor

July 30th, 2008, 02:16 PM

^^ Taglish undermines the fluency Filipinos are supposed to have in their native language. TG has a bilingual Thai-English safety video and they are able to sufficiently translate the video into Thai. This is also to say that TG is believed by many on YouTube to have the best safety video and that PR's is too dated. If there are terms that can be translated into Filipino (like sinturong pangkaligtasan, kagamitang elektroniko, teleponong selyular or palikuran), then they should be translated.

Then again, Filipino in a coño accent sounds funnier. :lol:

boy08

July 30th, 2008, 04:35 PM

is there any TG Safety Video Presentation any airliner do that i never encountered that before just tagalog and english lang kasi

pau_p1

July 31st, 2008, 02:47 AM

got this mail from Cebu Pacific...

---------

CEB celebrates the move of ALL DOMESTIC and ALL INTERNATIONAL flights to NAIA-3 with a systemwide seat sale

International routes for only P888 one-way; All-in Domestic fares starting from P699 one-way

Yes, you read it right - Cebu Pacific is moving its entire operation to NAIA Terminal 3 starting August 1, 2008 and we would like to mark this historic event with a systemwide seat sale because we want to give you every reason to fly!

Fly from Manila – Hong Kong, Singapore, Kuala Lumpur, Kota Kinabalu, Bangkok, Jakarta, Taipei, Kaohsiung, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Macau and Saigon or from Cebu to Hong Kong and Singapore for as low as P888!

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Travel from Manila to Butuan, Cagayan de Oro, Cotabato, Davao, Dipolog, General Santos, and Zamboanga for only P1499 - ALL IN!

Seat Sale starts now until 05 August 2008 and is valid for travel beginning 01 September to 17 December 2008! This promo is non-refundable!

Book your flights now through www.cebupacificair.com or call our reservations
hotline number (632) 7020888 or (6332) 2308888

ianers_ianized

July 31st, 2008, 04:17 AM

The last 5 Airbus 320-232 series options for PAL will be delivered to Air Philippines next year. Right now they haven't exercised the options yet.

Meanwhile, take a glimpse of the brand new Airbus 320 of PAL with Recaro seats.

http://images2.jetphotos.net/img/1/7/1/9/49828_1186665917.jpg

I've been in their latest A320s in this colors ^^^ In personal it looks refreshing and modern kaso prang npka-delicate, marumihin kc light blue ang covers... opposite of economy w/c is Persian Blue. The problem w/ their economies is their privacy design. May spaces kc in between seats so pag nsa dulo ka kita mo yung braso or kpirasong arm part ng pax khit dun sa pinakaunang row or yung tulog na pax sa hrap mo, kita mo rin kung sino ang daldal ng daldal na pasahero. Pero ok ang recaro ha, manipis na akala mo mababali yung likod mo pag sumadal pero matibay.

tigidig14

July 31st, 2008, 04:33 AM

rover3

July 31st, 2008, 05:12 AM

http://images2.jetphotos.net/img/1/7/1/9/49828_1186665917.jpg

And they're starting to take out those individual screens on certain airlines in the US. Their cumulative wght. v. use eats up too much fuel. I bet PAL is going to regret this luxurious retrofitting.

pi_malejana

July 31st, 2008, 06:40 AM

^^magreregret sila pag kulang kulang na ang mga headphones nila paglapag sa destination..:lol:

pero di ba kinukuha na yung mga headphones ng mga stewardess just before they land, right??

kiretoce

July 31st, 2008, 06:49 AM

^^ When you buy it, it's yours. ;)

tigidig14

July 31st, 2008, 06:49 AM

why would someone steal those headphones, their headphone jack has two retarded prong

pi_malejana

July 31st, 2008, 06:57 AM

^^ :lol: maabilidad mga pinoy..
magazine nga kinukuha pa eh..:D

kiretoce

July 31st, 2008, 06:58 AM

why would someone steal those headphones, their headphone jack has two retarded prong

There's an adapter you can buy for that, Tigs. :colgate:

:lol: maabilidad mga pinoy..
magazine nga kinukuha pa eh..:D

Contrary to popular belief, onboard airline magazines are free for the taking. ;)

diz

July 31st, 2008, 07:01 AM

On Air Canada, the earphones are free. You can convert the jack from two to one.

pi_malejana

July 31st, 2008, 07:02 AM

^^oohh.. wow.. i'll keep that in mind... :lol: :jk:

diz

July 31st, 2008, 07:06 AM

^^ Yeah, I was gonna take it... but they sucked. :lol:

tigidig14

July 31st, 2008, 07:08 AM

siibuyas at kalamaansii and rapolyo 30 per kilo, pamalit sa kanin

bustero

July 31st, 2008, 07:23 AM

the reason why i mention the a330 in their fleet was because of the increasing numbers of passengers flying within our own country, domestic flights. as we all know, PAL uses their a330 on many domestic flights and they are full most of the time or more than half on other occasions. i've been on PAL's MNL to CEB flights several times on their a330's and they are always full of passengers-half of those are tourists in our country to enjoy the wonderful South. i am sure that the CEB-MNL route is not the only domestic flight to be full of passengers onboard with the utilization of an a330 or larger aircraft. and let's face it, our country's passenger ships/ferries are being scrapped because they are old, the recent maritime disaster has won the favor of people to fly rather than sail, and flying in the RP is becoming affordable despite the rise of fuel. more people in our country would rather fly these days because they find it more convenient. our country's aviation is stepping up steadily. anyways... so i believe cebu pacific can fill up a one class configuration a330. besides the capacity of the aircraft, they don't have to necessarily modify the aircraft to fit in 400+ people onboard. lately there have been trends by LCC all over the world to provide more seating space. so a sufficient 300+ one class seating configuration a330 aircraft is sufficient enough. also they could introduce a premium class onboard, which is also a recent trend among LCC worldwide, although you pay a little extra for the extra space and attention onboard.

Actually I agree with it on a common sense basis. I remember a plane executive (can't remember if airbus or boeing) talking on bloomberg regarding high costs of fuel and carbon footprint. And basically his comment was that the mantra of airlines of frequency over basic cost/price between heavily trafficked areas should be reexamined even by the LCC's. Why fly 20 flights a day between two cities by a smaller narrowliner to ensure capacity when you can fly a larger plane 10x and the price would surely be cheaper and more environmentally friendly. He said that the long run LCC model based on widebodies could be examined.

I actually believe this too (like you). We already see such extreme examples in Japan by ANA (not really an LCC but surely a cattle carrier!), with their filled to the max nearly 600 person Jumbo flights between tokyo osaka. When the big countries of Asia with their huge populations and gigantic mega cities get higher incomes the travel becomes even more common and filling up that 800 seat A 380 (or the 1000 pax one they were talking about hehe) would surely be a possibility.

bustero

July 31st, 2008, 07:28 AM

ngprofflorida

July 31st, 2008, 11:42 AM

Thank you for your email to Mr. Jaime J. Bautista, our President & Chief Operating Officer, with your suggestion of a Filipiniana type of uniform for our cabin crew. It pleases us to receive letters from our passengers expressing their interest in the flag carrier.

We will endorse your suggestion for a Filipino-influenced uniform to the concerned departments for their consideration should we plan for a new design for our cabin crew uniform. May we just share with you that we did try sometime in early 80's the wearing of kimona and sarong-like uniforms, however, there were problems encountered during meal service, thus it was discontinued. Maybe this time, we can just have a touch of Filipino influence in the uniform without sacrificing its wearability and comfort in the course of our cabin crewmembers doing their job of attending to passengers.

Again, thank you very much for your suggestion and most especially for your patronage and interest in the flag carrier.

Sincerely,

Marilou

kiretoce

July 31st, 2008, 01:58 PM

^^ PAL did have traditional Filipino dress for their FAs back in the 1980s, I remember seeing them as a kid. FAs wore blouses with free-flowing sleeves, which is why I think it posed a problem when it comes to meal service since it gets caught or snagged a lot on service carts or galley compartment doors, since it's not a close-cropped sleeve like the sarong kebayas of SIA or MAS.

Sky Harbor

July 31st, 2008, 03:49 PM

is there any TG Safety Video Presentation any airliner do that i never encountered that before just tagalog and english lang kasi

Yes there is. Check this:

c3qUxyQ1Krc

The video is certainly better than PAL's safety video. Haha. :D

greenarcher

July 31st, 2008, 09:22 PM

^^ PAL did have traditional Filipino dress for their FAs back in the 1980s, I remember seeing them as a kid. FAs wore blouses with free-flowing sleeves, which is why I think it posed a problem when it comes to meal service since it get's caught or snagged a lot on service carts or galley compartment doors, since it's not a close-cropped sleeve like the sarong kebayas of SIA or MAS.

imagine a maria clara (short-sleeved) blouse with a short skirt. yehey! :banana:

habagatcentral1

August 1st, 2008, 12:15 AM

Yes there is. Check this:

c3qUxyQ1Krc

The video is certainly better than PAL's safety video. Haha. :D

Bakit ba lip-sync ang video ng PAL? I mean, they can do better. :D

Airphils777

August 1st, 2008, 04:13 AM

kiretoce

August 1st, 2008, 04:25 AM

^^ You'd have to change your username then. ;)

:jk: :nocrook:

icarusrising

August 1st, 2008, 05:24 AM

Clark bares 8,600 new airline seats to Thailand (http://www.philstar.com/index.php?Business&p=49&type=2&sec=27&aid=2008073147)

By Ding Cervantes
Friday, August 1, 2008

CLARK FREEPORT, Pampanga — The skies over this freeport are set to get busier as the Clark International Airport Corp. (CIAC) announced yesterday successful negotiations for 8,600 seats from the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport (DMIA) here to Thailand.

CIAC president and chief executive officer Victor Jose Luciano, who is a member of the RP air panel that attended the RP-Thailand Air Talks in Bangkok last week, said DMIA got the biggest air deal with the 8,600 seats.

He added that the deal also boosted from zero to 700 tons weekly a cargo arrangement between Thailand and the DMIA.

Meanwhile, Luciano announced that Korea’s Asiana Airlines launched last July 22 flights from the DMIA to Los Angeles and New York, with stopovers at Incheon in South Korea.

Luciano said the recent air talks in Bangkok entitled Thailand to “a reciprocal seat entitlement to 8,600 seasts for the Clark route bringing the total number of seat entitlements to 17,200 seats weekly on each side or 14 flights daily.”

Luciano said “this is a great step for DMIA in bringing more tourists in the Northern and Central Luzon as the airport is on its way of becoming the country’s premier gateway.”

He also said that as part of the air deal, cargo capacity at DMIA will be boosted from zero to 700 tons weekly, without limitation on airline designation. This means even non-flag carriers can fly here from multiple designations.

The air agreement reached in Bangkok also led to the allocation of 5,400 seats between Thailand and Manila with cargo allocation of 300 tons, higher than the previous 200 tons.

Other airports in the country were also given allocations of 2,110 seats, an increase from the previous 850 seats.

Luciano said air traffic at the DMIA is expected to be made busier amid plans of Cebu Pacific Airways to operate at the 2,500-hectare DMIA by launching Clark-Bangkok and Clark-Hong Kong flights. Cebu Pacific is also planning to launch from the DMIA flights to other destinations such as Macau, Singapore, and Taiwan.

Sou-jiro

August 1st, 2008, 05:46 AM

On thing i noticed on aviation photographers sites..is that Philippine (Manila) in particular airport are not well represented compare to others in particular (Asian Airports) usually you see pictures of really old & retired Aircrafts im referring to site like Anet & in some ways jetphotos.. sana with opening of T3 we can see more photos. I very sure there are lots of aviation enthusist/photographers in manila..lalo na if All foreign carrier naka move na sa T3....

Potchot69

August 1st, 2008, 06:10 AM

Guys, meron na bang thread ang R-1 Expressway Extension Project? Kung wala pa, puwedeng pakisimulan with pictures? Thanks.

mygz14

August 1st, 2008, 12:49 PM

Guys, meron na bang thread ang R-1 Expressway Extension Project? Kung wala pa, puwedeng pakisimulan with pictures? Thanks.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=360380

mygz14

August 1st, 2008, 03:59 PM

I hope u have a better source. Somehow i can't open the webpage. Tnx! :)

I have a similar news article.

PRA allots P16.7M for consultants in Sangley Point conversion

MANILA, Philippines - The board of directors of the Philippine Reclamation Authority (PRA) has allocated P16.7 million for the hiring of a consultancy firm to prepare the master plan for the conversion of the Sangley Point in Cavite City into an international logistics hub.

Former Sen. Ramon Revilla, chair of the PRA board, said that the winning bidder for the consultancy is expected to determine the technical, economic and financial viability of the project including its social acceptability and environmental integrity.

The entire project is expected to cost P200 billion.

Revilla said the converted Sangley Point will have three major physical components - an international seaport and container terminal, a modern international airport and a reclamation component that will compliment the proposed developments in the area and provide expansion for export processing zones, industrial, commercial and tourism purposes.

“An inseparable part of each component is the construction of a causeway that will connect the Manila-Cavite coastal road to Cavite City," Revilla said.

In a statement sent by PRA media relations officer Jerry Panela, Revilla said the conversion of the Sangley Point into a modern seaport and airport will boost the country’s economy.

Revilla chairs the inter-agency executive committee while Cavite City Mayor Bernardo Paredes is his co-chairman.

“The project will give our economy the much needed boost through investments because this will ultimately attract and place the Philippines in the limelight of global trade and commerce. This will bring our country back into financial competitiveness and erase the demeaning tag of being Asia’s laggard," Revilla said.

Revilla said that the province of Cavite has been the main duty-free port and depository for trade and goods between Asia and Europe for more than 200 years since the 16th century in Philippine history.

He recalled that Spanish galleons made two round trips annually between Cavite and Acapulco in Mexico laden with Chinese silk and porcelain; perfumes, spices and cotton from India; precious stones and silver from Europe and South America.

Sangley Point was once used by the American military as a ship repair facility and berthing area before it was turned over to the Philippine government in 1971.

It is now being by units of the the Philippine Air Force, Navy and Coast Guard.

Revilla said that Executive Order (EO) 629 - signed by President Arroyo on June 21, 2007 - the PRA, along with the local government officials of the Cavite City and other government agencies, has been tasked to form an inter-agency executive committee to oversee the planning and implementation of the conversion of Sangley Point into an international logistics hub.

The other members of the Sangley Point Development project executive committee include the secretaries of the Department of Transportation and Communication (DOTC), Department of National Defense (DND), National Economic and Development Authority (NEDA), Department of Trade and Industry (DTI), Department of Environment and Natural Resources (DENR), Department of Public Works and Highways (DPWH) and the Philippine Economic Zone Authority (PEZA). - GMANews.TV
(http://www.gmanews.tv/story/110929/PRA-allots-P167M-for-consultants-in-Sangley-Point-conversion)

Potchot69

August 2nd, 2008, 10:24 AM

@mygz14
Found it. Thanks, dude.

a s i a n a

August 2nd, 2008, 12:12 PM

arianespace:

Is this the supposedly new business class seat for PR?

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/1/3/2/0779231.jpg

Sky Harbor

August 2nd, 2008, 01:04 PM

Bakit ba lip-sync ang video ng PAL? I mean, they can do better. :D

Honestly, I don't know. What I do know is the video is horribly dated. I remember seeing it when I first went to Cebu back in 2001! They really need to change the video. Hopefully it will also coincide with a new FA uniform!

Still, PAL MUST introduce PURE Filipino into the video. If Thai Airways and Vietnam Airlines can do it, so can we (Malaysia Airlines has it in its announcements, but not in the safety demonstration video). Let's showcase the beauty of our national language for once. :D

urban myth

August 2nd, 2008, 06:07 PM

There's an adapter you can buy for that, Tigs. :colgate:

Contrary to popular belief, onboard airline magazines are free for the taking. ;)

Err, I didn't know this. I saw a really good article once and I couldn't bring it with me because I thought the magazines were just for in flight use.

What else is free? Pillows? Blankets? Water glass? Food trays? (So filipino :) )

jogavilz

August 2nd, 2008, 06:47 PM

Err, I didn't know this. I saw a really good article once and I couldn't bring it with me because I thought the magazines were just for in flight use.

What else is free? Pillows? Blankets? Water glass? Food trays? (So filipino :) )

free plastic spoon and forks, free sleeping mask

Sky Harbor

August 3rd, 2008, 03:52 AM

While I was browsing Wikipedia, I noticed that Garuda Indonesia could well become a SkyTeam associate member sponsored by Korean Air. GA is a (suspended) WorldPerks partner and has code-share agreements with CI, CS, MH and KE. This development means that out of all major Southeast Asian airlines, the only one not involved with any airline alliance is PAL.

This is such a sad development. :( Then again, as I said in my original list, PAL, Malaysia Airlines and Garuda would do well in SkyTeam. :D

weeddon

August 3rd, 2008, 03:58 AM

jefflacs

August 3rd, 2008, 09:34 AM

^^ Parang mas mataas yung ceiling ng boarding area nila kesa sa NAIA T3.

absinthe_888

August 3rd, 2008, 10:37 AM

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/5358/dsc05450mh8.jpg

la_ciudadista

August 3rd, 2008, 10:54 AM

diz

August 3rd, 2008, 10:56 AM

^ Yes.

spearhead

August 3rd, 2008, 02:18 PM

I have a similar news article.

PRA allots P16.7M for consultants in Sangley Point conversion

MANILA, Philippines - The board of directors of the Philippine Reclamation Authority (PRA) has allocated P16.7 million for the hiring of a consultancy firm to prepare the master plan for the conversion of the Sangley Point in Cavite City into an international logistics hub.

Former Sen. Ramon Revilla, chair of the PRA board, said that the winning bidder for the consultancy is expected to determine the technical, economic and financial viability of the project including its social acceptability and environmental integrity.

The entire project is expected to cost P200 billion.

Revilla said the converted Sangley Point will have three major physical components - an international seaport and container terminal, a modern international airport and a reclamation component that will compliment the proposed developments in the area and provide expansion for export processing zones, industrial, commercial and tourism purposes.

“An inseparable part of each component is the construction of a causeway that will connect the Manila-Cavite coastal road to Cavite City," Revilla said.

In a statement sent by PRA media relations officer Jerry Panela, Revilla said the conversion of the Sangley Point into a modern seaport and airport will boost the country’s economy.

Revilla chairs the inter-agency executive committee while Cavite City Mayor Bernardo Paredes is his co-chairman.

“The project will give our economy the much needed boost through investments because this will ultimately attract and place the Philippines in the limelight of global trade and commerce. This will bring our country back into financial competitiveness and erase the demeaning tag of being Asia’s laggard," Revilla said.

Revilla said that the province of Cavite has been the main duty-free port and depository for trade and goods between Asia and Europe for more than 200 years since the 16th century in Philippine history.

He recalled that Spanish galleons made two round trips annually between Cavite and Acapulco in Mexico laden with Chinese silk and porcelain; perfumes, spices and cotton from India; precious stones and silver from Europe and South America.

Sangley Point was once used by the American military as a ship repair facility and berthing area before it was turned over to the Philippine government in 1971.

It is now being by units of the the Philippine Air Force, Navy and Coast Guard.

Revilla said that Executive Order (EO) 629 - signed by President Arroyo on June 21, 2007 - the PRA, along with the local government officials of the Cavite City and other government agencies, has been tasked to form an inter-agency executive committee to oversee the planning and implementation of the conversion of Sangley Point into an international logistics hub.

The other members of the Sangley Point Development project executive committee include the secretaries of the Department of Transportation and Communication (DOTC), Department of National Defense (DND), National Economic and Development Authority (NEDA), Department of Trade and Industry (DTI), Department of Environment and Natural Resources (DENR), Department of Public Works and Highways (DPWH) and the Philippine Economic Zone Authority (PEZA). - GMANews.TV
(http://www.gmanews.tv/story/110929/PRA-allots-P167M-for-consultants-in-Sangley-Point-conversion)

P200B is like $4-5B w/ a definite reclamation projects involved, the budget looks big but possibly with only 1 or 2 airport runways as it is also including half of its budget to build the modern seaport. So we're not gonna see any big time international airport here yet, something that may replace NAIA sometime in the future. But hopefully, the planned sangley int'l airport is expandable for future airport extensions. Because i really feel that NAIA is not only polluting the air around manila, it is also dangerously too close from the nearby residential and commercial establishments. That's why building an int'l airport off manila bay in cavite w/c is not too far from manila, is an excellent idea.

Here's my five cents on this project: Go for it!

Components of the Sangley Point Airport-Seaport Hub would be as follows:

1. Double Runway (using existing runway, extension & reclaimation)
2. International & Domestic PassengerTerminal (same as HKIA) / Shopping Mall (could be a tie up between SM Holdings & Robinson. Tourist coming in will immediately be greeted by the Philippine shopping experience. OFWs arriving could bring their family to a treat at the Jollibee agad.
3. Cargo Terminal
4. Hotel & Convention Center
5. Seaport for Domestic Ferry Services, International Cruise Liners, as well as Domestic Sea Cargo Hub
6. Bus Terminal for in-region travel
7. Railway Line to Fort Bonifacio Central Station

In this event, Clark Freeport Zone & DMIA, could serve as a Logistics Corridor, Export Processing Zone, and Aerospace Industries.

As for COSCO, I think it would be better if local conglomerates will take this project up.

As for NAIA 1, 3, Centenial - sell the land and use the proceeds to build the new airport.

Simpleng isipin - pero parang mahirap gawin. LOL!

Bootkin

I like your idea. Add some rail network system there at that planned sangley int'l air/seaports, and the joint-military use of naval & air bases. :cheers:

Sky Harbor

August 3rd, 2008, 03:39 PM

Isn't Garuda Indonesia currently banned to fly to the EU?

The codeshare agreements GA has with those airlines (and others) expand its network presence to Europe.

sonnyville

August 4th, 2008, 01:54 AM

the ban on them may be lifted soon, depends on the ruling of the EU. they recently filed a request to be removed and reevaluated.

richard24

August 4th, 2008, 02:41 AM

i thought they already lifted the ban on Garuda? I think i read is somewhere in the indonesian forum.

sonnyville

August 4th, 2008, 04:05 AM

siguro, haven't heard much yet except they have made codeshare agreements with korean air. there is speculation that they may be invited to join skyteam if all goes well.

Sou-jiro

August 4th, 2008, 05:29 AM

Sou-jiro

August 4th, 2008, 08:55 AM

Lol...what whats happening to QF Aircrafts...maintenace issues???
=======================================================
RP aviation exec witnesses 3rd Qantas foul-up

Due to hydraulic leak

MANILA, Philippines--At the end of a mission to help investigate an explosion aboard a Qantas jet nine days ago, a Philippine aviation official experienced on Saturday a midair scare on a flight of the Australian carrier bound for Manila.

A top official of the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines (CAAP) was among some 200 passengers who found themselves on a jittery ride over Australia, when the Qantas jet made an emergency landing in Sydney because of a hydraulic leak.

Keen on any sign of aircraft trouble, CAAP Executive Director Daniel Dimagiba grew worried as he observed the slow ascent of the Qantas plane, a Boeing 767, just minutes after its delayed takeoff at the Sydney airport at around 2 p.m. Saturday.

"I was in business class and on a window seat—that's my favorite seat on a plane—and I noticed as we took off that the plane's rate of climb was slow. I could see the ground slowly drifting away and the sound of the jet engine was different," Dimagiba told the Philippine Daily Inquirer (parent company of INQUIRER.net)on Saturday.

He was flying home after he met with Qantas officials and observed the Canberra-based Australian Transport Safety Bureau's data retrieval and analysis of the flight data recorder from the Qantas Boeing 747-400 jet, which was involved in a midair decompression within Philippine air space on July 25.

The flight en route to Melbourne from Hong Kong made an emergency landing in Manila after a blast believed to have been caused by an exploding oxygen cylinder ripped a large hole in its fuselage.

Plane parts retrieved from the damaged jet, which is still grounded in Manila, were sent to Canberra for forensic analysis. The CAAP sent a representative to observe the probe in compliance with international aviation regulations.

Then on July 28, a Qantas 737-800 was forced to return to Adelaide after a landing gear door failed to retract.

The incidents followed a series of media reports in Australia about concerns about the quality of maintenance amid an increase in the amount of such work outsourced to other countries.

On his way back to the airport, Dimagiba never expected a first-hand taste of what he has been dealing with in his career. The official knew all too well that something was wrong.

"Since I understand how planes work, I was concerned because our ascent was slow … The other passengers were in their seats, just relaxing, reading," he said over the phone on Sunday.

Trouble began before passengers entered the plane, according to Dimagiba. He recalled hearing the airline ground crew saying that the plane's passenger door could not be shut properly.

"We were supposed to leave at 1:30 p.m. (Sydney time). We waited for 30 minutes … We were not informed of what was happening. Finally, there was an announcement that we could already board," he said.

Dimagiba took Seat 5K in business class, courtesy of Qantas, which gave the official free round-trip tickets to Australia and back to Manila for the 747 probe.

After the jet's slow climb to around 10,000 feet, Dimagiba noticed that the plane was circling, using an anchored oil tanker on the sea below as his marker.

"I felt that we were just circling. I knew that based on the location of the oil tanker below. I immediately thought there was a problem and that we were going around to dump fuel in preparation for landing," the official said.

Minutes later, it was announced that the plane suffered a problem with the hydraulics, a system that influences the operation of crucial aircraft parts such as the landing gear, doors and brakes.

The cabin was calm throughout the descent, but Dimagiba saw some frowning faces because of the hassle.

Once on the ground, Dimagiba immediately made a call to a Qantas official he had met to relay another airline emergency.

"When we landed, I called the Qantas official I just met and he was surprised I was aboard the flight. And this is their third incident in a month, so I told him: "That's the reason why I'm informing you to review your maintenance program," Dimagiba said.

Dimagiba and the rest of the flight passengers landed in Manila just before midnight on Saturday on an extra flight that Qantas fielded for them.

He said he would alert Qantas authorities in Manila to undertake stricter maintenance of planes while in the city to avert further maintenance-related incidents.

Source: http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/nation/view/20080803-152408/RP-aviation-exec-witnesses-3rd-Qantas-foul-up

bustero

August 4th, 2008, 08:59 AM

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3242/2726146529_e1affdf9a7.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3216/2726144929_eaa98c1054.jpg
Flight Information Screen and the Check In Counters

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3101/2726150193_acae5d5254.jpg
Boarding Gates, Aerobridge and EVA Boeing 777ER

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3145/2726143455_bc931da3f0.jpg
I hope MNL Terminal 3 has this kind of thing for the gates too

Nice, ang bilis ng Vitenam, I went to HCM 3 years ago and used their old airport then, no signs of an structure being built but they had the area fenced off. Now it's already been operational for a year!

Anyway this looks like a good model for Clark. The new terminal is good for about 8 to 10 m pax so that's close to Clark current requirement.

urban myth

August 4th, 2008, 03:01 PM

Guys, what are the odds of the FAA restoring our rating? When do you think will it be restored?

I was just browsing the skyteam/worldperks miles system and realized that they have a partnership with cebu pacific for miles points, but they suspended it because of the downgrading. I didn't know this.

With all the cebu pacific flights that I take, I could stack up miles to go anywhere in no time. So sad.

Sky Harbor

August 4th, 2008, 03:02 PM

Sana mapunta PAL sa Oneworld even if CX & JAL is there....if not Skyteam.....I dont think they will try to be invited to Start Alliance As THAI & SQ are there already

but despite PAL's flaw...thay not that bad as a carried & getting better. Definitely better than Garuda overall & I dont think im being biased just because Im A Filipino.

I would still prefer SkyTeam over Oneworld (as always). PAL should stand as a full member of an alliance where it route network positively complements that of the airline alliance, not as a full member where their only purpose is to shuttle passengers from Manila to Tokyo or Hong Kong (which, according to some, is what PAL is doing now and will continue doing if it joins Oneworld, merely shuttling passengers from MNL onto onward flights operated by JL or CX). I may start writing to Northwest and KLM over having PAL join SkyTeam or something. It would be a long shot if ever, but it is sure worth to try.

I remember my mom telling me when she flew Garuda to Denpasar from Jakarta back in the 90s, and she told me their service then was horrible. She then told me she would never fly GA again. Hope their aspiration to become a five-star airline would convince both my mom to fly them (if she ever decides to go back to Bali) and PAL to continue improving their service.

allan_dude

August 4th, 2008, 04:16 PM

PGMA assures construction of new international airport in Sta. Ana, Cagayan

Tuguegarao City (4 August) -- President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo hailed the Cagayan Economic Zone Authority (CEZA) for creating thousands of local jobs for local employment and the ongoing expansion of the airport at Sta. Ana, Cagayan.

The President visited CEZA to get an update on her commitment projects mentioned in her previous State of the Nation Addresses.

She said the creation of thousands of jobs is a result of the operation of Port Irene and the Amusement center in Sta. Ana.

"The airport was expanded, bigger then one in Boracay, and a new international airport is about to be built," President Arroyo said.

Originally, the Sta. Ana airstrip is one of the commitment projects of the President for Region II in her 2007 SONA to be developed as international airport.

The President also appreciated the beautiful beaches of North Cagayan most especially the newly discovered Anguib Beach in Sta. Ana, which she said be showcased to foreign tourist.

She also mentioned that there are foreign investors who already expressed to build resort near Anguib beach. They are just waiting for the international airport to be built, she added.

Meantime, the acceleration of Port Irene's development as the country's most gateway to Asia and the Pacific is one of the priority projects presented to the President by the participants of the Local Peace and Security Assembly composed of Local Government officials, Church officials, NGOs, Academe, Peoples Organizations, business and private sectors of the region. (PIA Cagayan)

http://www.pia.gov.ph/?m=12&r=&y=&mo=&fi=p080804.htm&no=15

a s i a n a

August 4th, 2008, 04:35 PM

Again, another airport? Sorry, but Gloria's following quantity over quality. Cebu doesn't even have a second terminal.

jogavilz

August 4th, 2008, 06:23 PM

we're building airports to areas that are rarely served by major airlines. yung ibang lugar naman na overcapacity na hindi iniexpand

Ph Man

August 4th, 2008, 08:04 PM

Lol...what whats happening to QF Aircrafts...maintenace issues???
=======================================================
RP aviation exec witnesses 3rd Qantas foul-up

Due to hydraulic leak

Source: http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/nation/view/20080803-152408/RP-aviation-exec-witnesses-3rd-Qantas-foul-up

Workers of Qantas went on strike during the initial hike of oil prices grounding some of their local flights. Could this be a sabotage? I hope not.

sonnyville

August 5th, 2008, 04:02 AM

vietnam's new terminal is really nice, i think that's also just the international terminal, similar to NAIA's terminal 3. i was fortunate to try it once, and i like the large windows that let in plenty of sunlight. even when it rained it was nice to see the dark clouds. like the proposal in making clark the gateway to the RP, vietnam is also proposing din ata ng new airport outside of the city limits of ho chi minh city, formerly saigon city. tan son nhut also has no more space to expand.

Sou-jiro

August 5th, 2008, 05:29 AM

Workers of Qantas went on strike during the initial hike of oil prices grounding some of their local flights. Could this be a sabotage? I hope not.

Well lately they're had had bad publicity i've seen them on the news here in Sydney atleast 5 times on one month

greenarcher

August 5th, 2008, 08:14 AM

tigidig14

August 5th, 2008, 10:24 AM

Isn't Garuda Indonesia currently banned to fly to the EU?

^ Yes.

y?

mwg12a

August 5th, 2008, 10:26 AM

tigidig14

August 5th, 2008, 10:32 AM

now i wonder if those yellow inflatable life jacketare part of overhead cost

mwg12a

August 5th, 2008, 10:34 AM

^^^ They will rent it out per hour FFS..... Smokers has to swallow their ashes and cigarette butts...lol

jefflacs

August 5th, 2008, 10:56 AM

^^ The airline joke is becoming a reality :ohno:

kiretoce

August 5th, 2008, 02:35 PM

terrapinoy

August 5th, 2008, 03:13 PM

^^ :nuts: even Air Asia X was mulling the idea of charging by passenger weight. Of course, they're denying this now.

AirAsia X denies passenger weigh-in (http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5i0h24UfxKYyusNkv0NN3lyBOT5Gg)

KUALA LUMPUR (AFP) — Malaysian long-haul budget carrier AirAsia X on Tuesday denied it was considering charging passengers according to how much they weigh.

An Australian executive with the airline had been quoted as telling a travel industry magazine that an initiative to charge larger passengers "could help Aussies lose weight".

But the carrier said the comment had merely been a joke.

"We never planned nor even considered charging passengers by weight," chief executive Azran Osman-Rani said in a statement.

An affiliate of regional low-cost carrier AirAsia and Virgin Group, AirAsia X was launched in January 2007.

From its base in Kuala Lumpur it operates services to Australia's Gold Coast and Hangzhou in China.

It is set to begin flying to Perth from November but plans to fly to Britain are yet to be finalised.

xoelts

August 5th, 2008, 06:01 PM

is this for real..a new airport?? how about the DMIA? that PGMA said

sonnyville

August 5th, 2008, 08:07 PM

Dang, I don't know if you guys heard this news at CNN, there are airlines that would start charging the use of pillows and blanket, to offset the fuel cost and such... WTF???? Next time they'd be charging the use of air conditioning systems and you have to tip the flight attendants if you need their assistance.......... yikes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

naks.... that's jetBlue. err... ewan kung bakit ganun. they are my favorite low cost carrier in the U.S. and it seems like they got new issues surfacing... maybe not enough profit lately or what have you, most likely na lulugi sila sa soaring price of fuel... but this is a bit too outrageous to charge people for pillows and blankets then give people coupons for bath & body in return for buying them. it's a sad news... hopefully no other carrier will follow their example... dunno how will that turn out, will be so costly to fly anywhere...

here's the link to that news....

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/05/business/05pillow.html?partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

sonnyville

August 5th, 2008, 08:13 PM

with things going up, airlines have to start doing something to cut their loses. this may be the only alternative for them now, and it maybe outrageous... there are many signs and warnings that many carriers will have their wings clipped if this trend continues. high fuel costs and such.... we can expect more services to be cut onboard planes or subject to charges

kiretoce

August 5th, 2008, 09:01 PM

bitoy

August 5th, 2008, 09:17 PM

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/afp/20080805/capt.cps.net75.050808201051.photo00.photo.default-389x226.jpg

Jet evacuated after emergency landing at LAX (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080805/ap_on_re_us/emergency_landing)

LOS ANGELES - Passengers were evacuated by inflatable chutes Tuesday after a Honolulu-bound airliner made an emergency landing at Los Angeles International Airport because someone smelled smoke in the cabin.
No sign of fire was found on the aircraft.

Six passengers, including a child, were treated for bumps, bruises and other minor injuries, city fire spokesman Brian Humphrey said.

American Airlines Flight 31 to Honolulu, carrying 188 passengers and six crew members, took off from the airport at 8:48 a.m., American spokesman Tim Smith said.

A short time later, the pilot decided to turn back.

"They had some type of smoke or odor in the cabin," Smith said.

The Boeing 757 landed about 57 minutes later and "the captain elected to declare an emergency and get everybody out of the aircraft via the slides," Smith said.

The passengers were to be placed on another plane to Hawaii but it was unclear how long they would have to wait, Smith said.

Fire crews using thermal imaging cameras scanned the cabin and cargo hold "and thus far found no evidence of an active fire," Humphrey said.

He said the airline, the National Transportation and Safety Board and the Federal Aviation Administration will investigate.

The American flight landed as fire crews were preparing for a publicity event at the airport. Fire trucks were supposed to spray streams of water to welcome an Airbus A380 — the world's largest jetliner — flown by Emirates Airlines.

The American emergency landing delayed the Emirates flight for about 45 minutes, and the water cannon ceremony was scrapped, said Erin Franklin, a publicist for the event.

ChicTown

August 5th, 2008, 11:11 PM

^^flying used to be fun, but drastic changes in many things altered it all. Buti na lang at naglalakbay ako madalas para sa compania at nakukuha ko ang air miles. Malaking tulong din ito sa pagbawas ng gastos sa paglipad. It's really getting expensive to fly lately due to ancillary charges. Because of these changes, we've learned to be selective and astute planners. Hope things get better for all! Best regards and God bless!:cheers:

arianespace

August 6th, 2008, 12:42 AM

^^
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3140/2593431740_b903e4670e.jpg?v=0
All airlines are feeling the pinch now! Global air travel recession is knocking at each airlines door. Cebu Pacific started already cutting unprofitable international destination starting in Hanoi, Vietnam.

Asia's boom in air travel will moderate this year but the region's growing wealth and business opportunities remains to be seen whether it will help weather the storm.

The rapid growth of air travel in Asia over the last few years was fuelled by emerging wealth in the region and the entry of low-cost carriers such as Malaysia's AirAsia , Singapore's Tiger Airways, Philippines Cebu Pacific and Australia's Jetstar, but regional economies are now faced with declining demand for Asian travel. I dont know how Lion Air of Indonesia will be able to finance its huge 737NG orders on this tough market conditions. Even LCC's are taking a breather.

"I think the aviation industry tends to reflect the state of the economies of the world, so there will be some effect on demand for air travel," said Chew Choon Seng, chief executive of Singapore Airlines when he was interviewed at the Singapore Air Show. Taking a cue from Southeast Asia's aviation industry leader, he got a point and its realizing now.

Asia is forecast to be the largest single aviation market, accounting for 27 percent of all air travel and nearly 300 million more travelers than today, said Giovanni Bisignani, chief executive of International Air Transport Association (IATA) at the Singapore Airshow held recently.

However, with airlines looking to pass on high fuel costs by raising surcharges, including pillows as previously suggested and the possibility of a global economic slowdown, consumers may think twice about taking short hops around the region. More so when LCC airlines decides to charge the toilet use!

Maybe they will just decide to hop on a worthwhile road trip in the domestic front or be more selective on important travels while canceling other travel plans. As you can see road trip is not cheap either!:ohno:

spearhead

August 6th, 2008, 04:39 AM

is this for real..a new airport?? how about the DMIA? that PGMA said

3rd int'l airport is being planned off manila bay. :)

lochinvar

August 6th, 2008, 05:45 AM

"3rd int'l airport is being planned off manila bay."

According to Taguig Mayor Tinga, he is planning to build a 4th airport for Metromanila along the coast of the Laguna de Bay. God Almighty!

ngprofflorida

August 6th, 2008, 05:53 AM

pi_malejana

August 6th, 2008, 09:05 AM

i read that emirates started it's first a380 commercial flight to the US (jfk)..
ako malapit na sa jfk di ko man lang nalaman..:lol:

mygz14

August 6th, 2008, 12:10 PM

I still can't imagine what it would look like in the future.

greenshields

August 6th, 2008, 01:23 PM

Humihingi na nga ng meeting si Tinga with DOTC officials. Hehe.

mwg12a

August 7th, 2008, 03:35 AM

Some people are opting for "staycations" this year because of the high costs of going anywhere. If the trend continues with the airlines charging for even the most basic services and necessities of flying, a lot more people will be taking to the roads and driving to their destinations instead. The upside to that is that you get a roadtrip experience for a change. :okay:

What about pinoys wanting their vacations in the Philippines? Swim through pacific ocean?? Boys?? Tigs, bagel who else, me?? Let's start swimming now, maybe atleast we will run into a beautful mermaid along the way

Pasensiya na lang ang mga RBs, siokoy lang ang puwede nilang ma meet, wala naman talagang merman diba??
:nuts::lol::bash:

jet blue airlines will charge $7.00 each for pillow and blanket.......

Jetblue is an LCC in the first place so yes, I believe it. Pretty soon all airlines would be like an LCC because of this high cost on jetfuel (gas prices in general)

habagatcentral1

August 7th, 2008, 03:41 AM

^^ Baka mameet nyo si Marina o Dyesabel along the way...please send my regards. :lol:

habagatcentral1

August 7th, 2008, 03:44 AM

Psstt... OT. At bakit hinahanap mo si Dyesebel katabi mo lang. :lol: OK. Back to topic. ;)

LOLS...Sorry, kala ko Samahan pa rin....yan ang nadadala ng antok. :lol:

Anyway, any other news from aviation industry?

le Reine

August 7th, 2008, 03:44 AM

^^ Baka mameet nyo si Marina o Dyesabel along the way...please send my regards. :lol:Psstt... OT. At bakit hinahanap mo si Dyesebel katabi mo lang. :lol: OK. Back to topic. ;)

mwg12a

August 7th, 2008, 03:46 AM

O sige, ikuha pa kita ng autograph.. pero kung ang mga dyesabel na yan hindi nagkaroon ng binti pagalis ng dagat, di ko papansinin sila, bj lang ang puwedeng i-offer nila ughhhhhhhhhhhhh okay OT na yan...

kiretoce

August 7th, 2008, 03:56 AM

What about pinoys wanting their vacations in the Philippines? Swim through pacific ocean?? Boys?? Tigs, bagel who else, me?? Let's start swimming now, maybe atleast we will run into a beautful mermaid along the way

Who needs to swim when you can stowaway on the freighter bound for Asia. ;) ( :lol: )

Ph Man

August 7th, 2008, 06:02 AM

:lol: that's a good idea kimber.

so sad to hear our LCC (5J) pulling out some of their routes. they truly had made every "juan" fly. at least those juans who can afford the cheap airfare.

xoelts

August 7th, 2008, 08:13 AM

really? third airport?? wow..im looking forward for it!!

Hard Ball

August 7th, 2008, 08:32 AM

Just want to share some pics from a recent trip INCHEON - MANILA via PR 467 A320-200 Service.

ICN Check in Counters

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3174/2740627210_a297f08731.jpg?v=0

ICN Walkalators

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3226/2739790295_80a21c6233.jpg?v=0

Our Aircraft parked at the ICN Satellite Terminal (ICN - Main Terminal in the background)

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3236/2739790499_017e98de70.jpg?v=0

Boarding Gates @ ICN

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3164/2740627376_7fe95c6a76.jpg?v=0

PR Business Class - there were only 2 of us in biz class during the flight

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3215/2739790033_02610e6032.jpg?v=0

Touch Screen IFE

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2267/2740627064_fe1f860588.jpg?v=0

Appetizers? with Kimchi again! LOLZ

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3205/2740626976_c3cb55443d.jpg?v=0

mwg12a

August 7th, 2008, 08:37 AM

OH how nice, A330 PAL??? Thanks for sharing!!

Hard Ball

August 7th, 2008, 08:39 AM

OH how nice, A330 PAL??? Thanks for sharing!!

It was an A320 service on that flight.

My MNL - ICN flight was with an A330 but wasn't able to take pics. My cam was in my checked-in luggage that time.

seven07

August 7th, 2008, 09:39 AM

its a good thing they are trying to build an airport in cavite. cavite really needs this.

orangejuice

August 7th, 2008, 01:54 PM

Guys, anybody here who already had an experience riding Cebu Pacific Manila-Caticlan-Manila route, ung ATR-72 500 ( tama ba ). Bago ba ung plane, shaky ride ba? Coz my family is planning to go to Bora early 2009 and would like to go directly to Caticlan from Manila pero kasi di maganda experiences ko with other airlines that land in Caticlan like Asian Spirit and Seair, can't help it, paranoid ako sa mga shaky airplanes! Tips,tips naman dyan.....will be very much appreciated. Thanks,thanks!

Mojacko

August 7th, 2008, 11:15 PM

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2267/2740627064_fe1f860588.jpg?v=0

Touch Screen IFE

^^ Now THAT is awesome: touchscreen IFE with AVOD. Can't wait to see THOSE in Mabuhay Class sections of PAL's 777-300s and 747-400s...

diz

August 8th, 2008, 12:53 AM

I can't wait for the Fiesta class! :lol:

Sou-jiro

August 8th, 2008, 02:51 AM

thnks for sharing pics..awesome ife...buti pa 747, A340, A320 may cabin upgrade...my flight are always A330 looks like they have no plans to do anyhitng for A330s

xzibit31

August 8th, 2008, 07:21 AM

:ohno: lifted from the philskies.net forum

DISCLAIMER: I am not one of the passengers of this flight

but if ever this is true.. WTF is Cebu Pacific gonna do about this?! :oops:

I just hope that when i go on my singapore trip this september, this will not happen to me and my family.....

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

CEBU PACIFIC FLIGHT 5J 389 – THE WORST EXPERIENCE OF MY LIFE!

I have been flying to and from Manila and Cagayan de Oro every month and I’ve normally enjoyed flying. I’ve tried all the airlines and have concluded that apart from the usual delays and little imperfections, every company seemed satisfactory. That is, until August 1, 2008 when I had the most horrible and unfortunate incident with Cebu Pacific.

My flight was scheduled at 2:50 PM. I was excited because this was the first day that the NAIA terminal 3 had opened so I opted for an early check in. I arrived at 1:00 PM and had a normal, uneventful check in. Shortly after I got my boarding pass, I proceeded to the inner terminal. As I passed through security and x rays, the next sight that I saw was shocking. Instead of the usual airport bustle and people orderly going to their boarding gates, I saw hundreds of confused passengers trying to ask anyone for help. Some were sitting on the floor with their luggage, others just looked lost.

I tried to look for any directional signs to where I was supposed to go. As I looked at my boarding pass to get information, I noticed that the space for the boarding gate was blank! After wandering around for a few minutes, I found a girl in a Cebu Pacific shirt. She directed me to a tiny crowded counter. There, surrounded by hundreds of noisy passengers was one girl who was as confused as we were. She couldn’t give any concrete information about any of the flights!

After 30 minutes of waiting, she asked us to go down to the boarding gates and wait. That was 3:00 PM, past our flight time. We went down and waited for 30 minutes, only to be told that the flight was further delayed and that our new boarding gate was back upstairs.

Carrying our heavy luggage, we went up several flights of stairs and waited for boarding. At 4:30 PM, we finally boarded the plane. After 30 minutes of waiting, the pilot announced that the flight has been cancelled because it was too late to fly and it was impossible to land in CDO airport when its dark!

We went down the plane angry and confused. When we asked the crew what the reason was, they said that the flight couldn’t take off because thirteen passengers were missing! Of course, how would these poor lost passengers know what was going on? The ground crew didn’t have a PA system and the Cebu Pacific people were giving vague information. We also found out that several other flights were cancelled that day due to their incompetence.

We waited in front of the counter while a girl was giving us flimsy excuses and asking us to pick up our luggage. There was no representative from management to at least apologize to us. They said there was none present at the airport. This was highly impossible as I saw Cebu Pacific top officials having a lunch party at the area adjacent to the check in counters! Don’t tell me they didn’t know what was going on!

People were fuming mad. After a while, they told us that there will be a special flight for us at 5 am and that they were going book us in a hotel and that the shuttle bus was waiting outside.

We waited for the bus for 30 minutes. We were about a hundred thirty. Finally two buses (capacity about 40 plus each) and the staff stuffed us in. We felt like sardines during the 30 minute ride.

To add insult to injury, they brought us to a dank, sleazy hotel somewhere in Malate where prostitutes were lurking in the doorway, offering sex and massage to the foreigners who were with us. The passengers included several minors whose parents were shocked at this too. The rooms were musty and the included in the list of items in the bathroom item menu were local and imported condoms! It was disgusting! They put us in a motel! And according to the staff this was their “official hotel”! This airline’s sister companies are Holiday Inn and Crowne Plaza !!!! Why didn’t they put us in there? They then offered us a poor meal at around 8:30 in the evening.

They woke us up at 1 AM, put us on the bus at 2 AM, gave us packed food on the bus (half a bangus and rice) but they didn’t give us any water or drink!

We arrived at the terminal at 2:30PM, lacking sleep and very tired. We were shocked to be told that there was no special check in lane and we had to go and check in like the other new passengers. One foreigner, who was a doctor who came for a Charitable medical mission in Mindanao yelled something like this: “ Get me out of the Philippines !” This is horrible! “ Another foreigner, who was a pilot for an airline told us that he has never experienced such incompetence, unprofessionalism and humiliation in his life because of a delayed flight. Not only did Cebu Pacific make their passengers mad, they have shamed our country!

At this point, we got mad and demanded that a special lane be provided for us. The duty manager didn’t come until 30 minutes after and the people in the counters were rude to us. They were not listening and they were turning their backs to us whenever we’d talk to them.

We finally got to check in after we made a big fuss. When they handed us our boarding pass, they told us to go to gate 131. Our boarding time was supposedly 4:30 AM. We waited for thirty minutes, only to be told that we should transfer to gate 134 and that the flight was delayed.

In counter 134, passengers were demanding for the one way ticket travel voucher that was promised to us. They gave it only after an hour and after we asked for it and the counter clerk told us we had to pay travel and fuel taxes! The nerve of management to put us through this and give us something worth nothing! Meanwhile, another flight delay was announced.

At this point, we demanded that the duty manager speak to us. The counter personnel was giving excuses. We asked for names and they could just give us first names and they said they didn’t know the officers’ family names because they were “just newly hired”!

We made our own initiative and proceeded to the check in counter to demand for the duty manager. We finally talked to her and we demanded that she apologize and explain to us passengers why this all happened. We also told her to provide food especially for the children.

On the way back to the terminal, the manager was stopped by passengers from other flights asking for directions. One angry foreigner who missed his Dumaguete flight was so upset! It turns out that we were not the only ones inconvenienced by their incompetence.

When we finally got to gate 134, we told the manager to make the announcements. Another person arrived with a radio. We overheard that there were no available plane for us! They lied to us! They never arranged for a special flight! They were about to announce another flight cancellation when people went wild. The manager had no choice but to request that the plane from Butuan be given to us.

A staff member arrived and they announced that they were going to give us breakfast. They distributed 2 packets of Dewberry cookies and the tiniest mineral water bottle for each passenger! They call that breakfast? After approximately seven hours of waiting deprived of sleep, they couldn’t even offer us a decent meal! There were more that 10 children there and when we asked that they at least given some Jollibee breakfast, the manager said “We’re sorry but we cant do anything. This is all the management allowed to give us.”. How could they do this to us?

Finally, after what seemed like forever, we boarded the plane at around 9:00 AM. When we took off, the passengers applauded. A few minutes after, the flight was completely quiet because all of us were tired. We slept but not soundly enough, being constantly reminded about the nightmare that we had just gone through.

We got to Cagayan de Oro and we were thankful to be safe. However, we all resolved to relate this horrible experience to all our family and friends until it reaches Cebu Pacific management. We also all signed a manifesto/complaint to be submitted to concerned agencies so that this unfortunate incident wouldn’t be duplicated.

To date, we are still hearing of cancelled flights and complaints because of incompetence from Cebu Pacific management and staff. We could understand that no one is perfect but there is no excuse for treating people badly. We were not expecting VIP treatment although some airlines give this to their inconvenienced passengers. What made this all intolerable was that fact that we were not treated as human beings. We especially pity the children who had experienced this ordeal. Their innocence has been marred by an airline’s lack of consideration and disrespect for their customers.

We hope that if this reaches the management, they will do something to rectify this mistake. They just lost more than 70 passengers and they will lose so much more soon.

This is a horrible experience that anyone shouldn’t be able to go through. I hope it doesn’t happen to any of you.

May Salvana - Unchuan

We are the passengers of Cebu Pacific Air flight 5J 389 on August 1, 2008 (2:50 PM flight) and we would like to warn people to think twice before flying with them. Their advertorials say “ Cebu Pacific is committed to giving you quality service at the lowest airfare possible and now, with our brand new Airbus fleet, we believe it’s time every Juan flies.” - Today, we have proven that this is a lie! They don’t care about passengers. They have lousy service. The ad should go, “Cebu Pacific is committed to giving you the lowest airfare possible and because you paid for cheap seats, we can’t give you any service.” At least they could’ve just been honest.

xzibit31

August 8th, 2008, 07:22 AM

another one.....i got it from the hcp forum...again, i am not the passenger here....

ilang beses na din kami nadale sa mga delayed flights ng cebu pacific...maiinis ka lang talaga.

eto galing sa blog na blockmate ko...

I couldn't believe how such an airline can have blatant disregard for their patrons. I'll probably break this down so I can better stress out the things we went through just because we wanted to save a few pesos and ride with the wolf in sheeps clothing, CEBU PACIFIC AIR.

PRE BORACAY TRIP

1. The ordeal began weeks ago when we received an email from cebu pacific that they are canceling our flight back from caticlan. NO REASONS were disclosed. We were only advised to re-book the flight through a number they provided in the email. The tickets were booked months because most of the passengers were OFW's that has to adhere to a very strict schedule. This accounts for stress reason number 1.

2. Upon re-booking the tickets, the agent kept on repeating his advice that after re-booking, this can no longer be changed. This is quite odd for me because they were the ones who cancelled our flight schedule for no apparent reason and yet they had the gal to demand that after re-booking, it can never be re-booked again.

FLIGHT DAY

May 10, 2008, 7am - 10am

1. Upon reaching the CEBU PACIFIC check-in counter, the system was down, and because the line was piling up, they had to check the passengers in manually, after an hour and half of in-decision from the ground manager. At boarding we were advised that since we weren't assigned seat numbers, we can sit anywhere, which we did. After we're all settled in, we were advised once more that all passengers checked-in manually will have to move to the front area of the plane. It's quite clear that the CEBU PACIFIC ground staff aren't equipped to handle situations like this and that their managers can't even decide on what to do next.

RETURN FLIGHT

May 14, 2008, 2pm - 10pm

1. After going through hell and high water, literally, to reach our check-in time. We were met by a closed CEBU PACIFIC counter. We proceeded to inquire regarding our check-in time and received a vague answer from one of the ground staff..."all 900 flights are cancelled, he said. We will be accommodating all passengers from Kalibo airport for the time being." No response as to our fate were disclosed until we were able to speak to another ground crew. The ground crew said that we will be checked-in awhile and that we should just wait for the announcement. This was around 3:00pm already. An hour has passed and nothing was being announced as to the fate of flight 904, so we again proceeded to the counter to inquire. This time, a tiny irate mob, passengers from earlier cancelled flights, has been squeezing the flight attendant for information, which of course were met with vague murmurs and blank stares.

2. Around 4:30pm, all other airlines has began moving their passengers to kalibo airport due to worsening weather conditions in Caticlan. CEBU PACIFIC ground staff just stood there offering no answers or solutions as to the fate of the passengers from all four flights that were cancelled that day. At this point, with a smug look in their faces, the ground crew incessantly kept on ignoring the hoards of people who just wanted to know what will happen to them.

3. 5:00pm, a manager came. She hid her name plate as with the other ground employees, probably to avoid being reported. Here's a chronology of how the inquiries were addressed:

Passenger: What will happen now?

Cebpac manager: All flights will resume the following day.

Passenger: Will you re-book our tickets?

CPM: No.

Passengers: So does it mean that we're considered chance passengers?

CPM: Yes.

Passengers: Some of us don't have enough money to stay another day here, what are your plans to address that issue?

CPM: Nothing. CEBU PACIFIC will not pay for accommodations and transfers. We will only help you find lodging.

Passengers: Some of us have jobs the next day, what will you do about?

CPM: All flights are cancelled and will resume the next day depending on weather conditions.

Passengers: How come all the other airlines were able to move their passengers to Kalibo?

CPM: All flights in Kalibo are fully-booked already.

Side note: At this point, all the other airlines have finished transferring their passengers to Kalibo airport which shows that CEBU PACIFIC doesn't want to do anything to address the problem. It probably is a business decision by the management because they probably don't want to incur additional charges.

4.We on the other hand, tried to call the ticketing hotline to try get information and if we could still book our tickets elsewhere, despite earlier advice in the beginning of this writing. While waiting, we started asking the manger about flight 530 via kalibo because according to the ticketing agent, it has seats available, still. The manager just kept on saying that it's not reliable to trust their call center because..." call center lang yan" as she said. She even spoke to the agent to tell her that she doesn't know what she's talking about and that all flights are cancelled even in Iloilo and in Cebu. After that the manager just kept on ignoring us... we eventually got our confirmation from the agent via Kalibo for the 830pm flight. We left the airport to get a van to get to Kalibo on our own expense and left the the other 20 or so passengers who put their fate on the hands of the ground manager. The same one who told us that their no more seats available in Kalibo. You do the math. She even warned us that if we take that flight, we will only make matters worst.

5. We got to Kalibo just in time to check-in. The ground manager in Caticlan was wrong. There are available seats in Kalibo. We got to talk to some of the other passengers sent their by the Caticlan ground crew. They said they were sent their knowing that they will be able to fly home, only to find that they're not on the flight manifest and that they are considered chance passengers as well. Minutes later, a good number of the passengers from Caticlan arrived in Kalibo. They probably weren't accommodated since they weren't with us on the flight home.

POST SCRIPT

For me, seeing how poorly the whole thing was managed, I don't think I can ever put my life in the hands of someone who operates a critical product like an aircraft. Seeing and experiencing first hand how passive and uncaring they were towards the issues of their passengers leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. CEBU PACIFIC AIR is nothing more but a wolf in sheeps clothing. They want your money to fulfill their topline and bottomline goals but left in critical situations or even simpler ones like giving genuine effort to get you home safely, they will fail your expectations like a brother betraying a brother.

The Cebuano Exultor

August 8th, 2008, 07:35 AM

xzibit31

August 8th, 2008, 07:43 AM

^^ You get what you pay, I guess.

But hey, look at the bright side. At least, they gave you a place to stay for the night. That's something you won't see happening when you're with easyJet and Ryannair.

In addition, you were simply unfortunate enough to have coincided your trip with Cebu Pacific's first week at NAIA's Terminal 3, which was marred by 'birth pains' common everytime a large brand-new airport terminal is opened anywhere in the world (except, perhaps, in the Chinese Mainland).

ah..those were not my experiences yet..... the posted are other persons experiences.

but i have had very bad experiences with 5j. the most recent one was the cancellation of my fllight. 5j never bothered to text me or send me an email....mabuti nalang i found out way before hand while browsing their website. so i contacted them. i am going to dti to complain about this. actually isang malaking grupo kami ang pupunta sa dti to complain. marami na rn ang galit na galit sa 5j...

richard24

August 8th, 2008, 07:57 AM

here's mine., :)

http://janmania.blogspot.com/2008/01/cebu-pacific-horror.html

IsaganiZenze

August 8th, 2008, 08:15 AM

thnks for sharing pics..awesome ife...buti pa 747, A340, A320 may cabin upgrade...my flight are always A330 looks like they have no plans to do anyhitng for A330s

maybe their discontinuing them?

Peng Hok

August 8th, 2008, 08:17 AM

Pati si Katya Santos, kasali yata sya dun sa nangyari sa first story. Ang flight naman nya was papunta ng Davao...

richard24

August 8th, 2008, 08:32 AM

Peng Hok

August 8th, 2008, 08:54 AM

^^
Bakit parang ang lumalabas is sila pa yung naagrabiyado? :dunno:

pau_p1

August 8th, 2008, 09:01 AM

are there proofs to confirm all these posts are true?... are these from true people? not that I question them but I just want to be sure that we are posting valid accounts here and not mere gossip or hoaxes...

though I did heard about the cancellations experienced by Katya when they had technical problems in the first week of August...

richard24

August 8th, 2008, 09:02 AM

^^
Bakit parang ang lumalabas is sila pa yung naagrabiyado? :dunno:

^^ hindi siya taga costumer service eh., she doesnt know how to handle costumers., ewan ko ba naman diyan sa 5j., hanggang ngayon wala parin from CS nila ang sumagot sa complaints namin., (january pa yun ah!) wala as in WALA kahit ISA. kahit simpleng apology letter man lang WALA., lech sila.,

are there proofs to confirm all these posts are true?... are these from true people? not that I question them but I just want to be sure that we are posting valid accounts here and not mere gossip or hoaxes...

though I did heard about the cancellations experienced by Katya when they had technical problems in the first week of August...

yung sakin totoo., :) hehehe., :)

pau_p1

August 8th, 2008, 09:04 AM

oh richard is from his own experience... okay.. but as for the original post?

jogavilz

August 8th, 2008, 09:25 AM

Cebu Pacific Delayed Flight

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video from consumerwatch888

Sou-jiro

August 8th, 2008, 09:29 AM

^^ well its just that I though they have 8 of them theyre A main part of the fleet on flight use in Oz & Intra Asia Japan as well...i guess A320 is more usefull for them since A320 are regular in chinese cities, Singapore & Bangkok...maybe A330 will not be upgraded since pretty soon they be just for More domestic flight in Davao , Sen San or Cebu...

[dx]

August 8th, 2008, 09:45 AM

From a friend's blog = Cebu Pacific Air at NAIA Terminal 3: It's Time Everyone Waits! (http://thebabyinbetween.blogspot.com/2008/08/cebu-pacific-air-at-naia-terminal-3-its.html)

lex_99

August 8th, 2008, 09:56 AM

Plus it took them forever to credit the refund for credit card transactions.

If you call the accounting department, you're just lucky if someone will answer the phone for 24 hours.

xzibit31

August 8th, 2008, 09:59 AM

oh richard is from his own experience... okay.. but as for the original post?

yup the first story actually came out in one of the national dailies. it even came out sa tv. the second one is a personal experience from a member of the honda club of the philippines forum.

aUen

August 8th, 2008, 10:07 AM

Just want to share some pics from a recent trip INCHEON - MANILA via PR 467 A320-200 Service.

ICN Walkalators

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3226/2739790295_80a21c6233.jpg?v=0

Boarding Gates @ ICN

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3164/2740627376_7fe95c6a76.jpg?v=0

The new satellite terminal is spacious, though it does not look as spacious as the main terminal. I'd still prefer to use the main terminal with its amenities, but for plane spotting, I'd take a walk in the satellite terminal.

My mom and sister just flew back from Manila and they said they flew N754PR, the aircraft that was retrofitted. Sadly, my sister didn't have her camera with her, but I asked her to describe the cabin in detail and I concluded that what they saw was the old N754PR interior. "Dark blue and purple seats" in Fiesta, "small TVs", "big projector in Mabuhay Class" downstairs, and basically "old" seats. No cocoon seats.

Are the new seats installed only in some parts of the aircraft and my sister didn't see them? If so, isn't PAL not supposed to use the aircraft, at least on North American flights? Were the old seats reinstalled back?

Sinjin P.

August 8th, 2008, 10:13 AM

Cebu Pacific Delayed Flight

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video from consumerwatch888

Sa Mactan Airport yata 'to, right?

jogavilz

August 8th, 2008, 10:15 AM

how come there are no reported incidents like these with air philippines or PAL Express in NAIA 3? does this mean na nasa cebu pacific talaga yung problem and not NAIA 3?

richard24

August 8th, 2008, 10:25 AM

vvvv naku with ceb., hindi ka nila papakainin (kahit tubig WAlA). lalo na kapag sa province and airport mo., sa MNL ata nagpakain sila DATI., ewan lang ngayon.

(edit:) bakit nauna post ko sa nireplayan ko?

swahi

August 8th, 2008, 10:25 AM

i also had personal experience with Ceb Pac. I already posted it here when there was still a separate thread on pal vs ceb pac. That thread was merged into the airlines thread i believe. That was a trip we had Manila to Legaspi. Delayed na delayed. Ang problema, my cousins who were flying in from Cebu to connect to our same flight, their Cebu-Manila flight was even SUPER delayed. What happened was that Cebu Pac, realizing they wouldnt be able to connect, decided to give their seats to waitlisted passengers. Even though my cousins had boarding passes all the way to legaspi. When the cebu-manila plane landed, we were boarding for the Legaspi leg. They were refused boarding.

The motto of the story here, as well as those other horror stories is that ok to take Cebu Pacific, as long as everything is a go. But when there is a problem, every man, woman and child for himself. If ever you get some accomodations for the delay or cancellation, expect to be treated like dirt.

When my flight from LAX to Manila was cancelled last May 23, exasperrated as we were, we were given good accomodations by PAL. And they arranged for our flight all the way to Cebu. And mind you, PAL took a hit that day, as both flights, a fully booked 747, and a fully booked A340 were all cancelled. Still, I found the actions of PAL personnel quite commendable, given the circumstances. When I had a flight that was delayed for very long in Cebu and Manila taking PAL, they have meal vouchers ready. Compared to Cebu Pac when I got delayed Manila to Legaspi? Naku po.

jogavilz

August 8th, 2008, 10:30 AM

even though i never took a cebu pacific flight before, based from your experiences, i guess i will never even fly with cebu pacific

amigo32

August 8th, 2008, 10:34 AM

cebu pacific ba talaga ang may sala? o yung paglipat sa bagong airport?

wala pa namn akong na experience na ganun kasama, maliban lang sa cancelled flight during my christmas holiday vacation.

cebu pacific na kasi ako lagi mula noong bumagsak ang presyo nila:D

PINOYmeat

August 8th, 2008, 10:55 AM

just so you'd know, may pinaplano ang cebu government to force cebu pacific to take the word "cebu" out of their name kung di nila maayos ang service nila... i dunno what happened na.

xzibit31

August 8th, 2008, 10:59 AM

just so you'd know, may pinaplano ang cebu government to force cebu pacific to take the word "cebu" out of their name kung di nila maayos ang service nila... i dunno what happened na.

yup i heard about that. i think the cebu govt did not want to be associated with the turmoil that is cebu pacific.

ano na kaya ang nangyari dun noh?

RonnieR

August 8th, 2008, 11:14 AM

Please don't forget that Cebu pacific started to revolutionize the cheap, low affordable fares in the Philippines. At the very least, we owe it to them. The problems being encountered by the airline at the new T3 will soon be resolved. Let's not be too subjective/bias on this airline just because of these complaints.

richard24

August 8th, 2008, 11:19 AM

^^ complaints against ceb pac have been there even when they werent in T3 yet. dumami lang ng grabe ngayon. i think they need to reassess their corporate objectives, kasi it seems they're forgetting costumer service. they can't use their excuse of being an LCC every single time they f*ck up.

i understand that they're an LCC and its understandable that they don't have the same services as PAL or any other legacy carrier, but they shouldn't let their passengers endure too much inconvenience.

ok naman sila eh., ayusin lang talaga. kasi kaya lang naman sila patok dahil sa low fares nila eh. dapat may ibang rason ang passangers sa pagbalik sa service nila aside from affordability.

sandman.ink

August 8th, 2008, 12:22 PM

I think the real source of the problem is NAIA 3. but Cebu Pacific handled the problem with no class at all.

boroyski

August 8th, 2008, 12:45 PM

Dont blame NAIA3, ang problema kasi nila yung delayed flights and how to handle such situations. Parang walang back up plans baga. 5J has this problem since T1 pa sila. Nakaexperience din ako ng delayed flight ng 5J sa T1, 4 Hrs delayed yung flight namin going to BKK. Nung pauwi naman ako from BKK to Manila, delayed naman ng 2 hrs. May nakausap din ako na former flight stewardess nila. Sabi nya under fleet kasi ang 5J, tapos kuha sila ng kuha ng mga ruta.

Ph Man

August 8th, 2008, 04:58 PM

yes don't blame NAIA 3. unfortunately 5J has become infamous in having cancelled or delayed flights without them taking the initiative to inform affected passengers in a professional way. and a friend who works in the airport said 5J planes are mostly overused. hence the numerous flights despite having very few planes. plus most of the planes are A319s and A320s, with very limited capacity.

Crazy4Airplanes

August 8th, 2008, 05:43 PM

Cebu Pacific Delayed Flight

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video from consumerwatch888

Hindi ko talaga maintindihan kung bakit mga tao cebu pacific pa din pinipili. dito pa lang sa video na to my gosh never talaga ako mag cecebu pacific. I'd rather pay extra. Problema kasi sa kanila, dirt cheap ang presyo, pero cheap din ang serbisyo. Akala kasi nila, mga tao, basta mura, matutuwa na. Never talaga. pag iipunan ko nalang yung difference ng fare sa mga full service airline. Akala ko pangit na ang serbisyo ng PAL. Aba, nagmistulang SQ ang PAL kung ikukumpara sa CEB.

Don't get me wrong, im all for saving money din. but not at the expense of customer service at its most basic. hindi pwede yung mga pinag sasasabi nung mga babaitang yun ng ceb sa video. kung ako ang nandun, naku! Baka nasampal ko pa yung mga yon.

Kaya people, mag isip isip ng maigi bago lumipad sa CEB. Ihanda ang sarili sa kalbaryo at pahirap.

swahi

August 8th, 2008, 06:54 PM

remember my above post on our trip manil-legaspi where my cousins were bumped off? When we got to our resort at donsol and told the resort manager to cancel one of our reservations/room, they said ganun talaga ang ceb pac, late, or else cancelled. Mas consistent ang PAL. Its not about T3. They are delayed, either in Cebu, Iloilo, Bacolod, Legaspi. And of course, the old terminal. As I travel a lot, I easily notice this, whether I ride with Ceb Pac, Airphil, or PAL.

arianespace

August 9th, 2008, 02:14 AM

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I don't understand people here. First, they clamor for just the opening of Terminal 3, and when its opened already can't help but complain and always compare it to other Asian airports they alleged to have been especially the mega-airports in Cities more economically progressive than our country. Can we stop that habit? Please.

I've been to many airports in the world more than what is listed in this forum yet I never bothered to compare aerodromes in the Philippines. In fact I find it better than the ones I've been to. Well If I put it in my standards. I've been to some of the biggest airports in the world and few smaller ones more pathetic than some of the woes posted here yet I maintained respect for their form of service. Why? First and foremost, all airports are not created equal and I understood it well by heart, and second, its too difficult to compare Manila International Airport to say Singapore and Hongkong. Its like comparing an Airbus 380 with Airbus 320 or Boeing 747 with 737NG series planes. Its just not possible. Why cant we just accept the fact that we are not on their league yet.

Having said that, I bet you did not know that you can leave our airport at 15 minutes tops from embarkation all the way to immigration and taxi stand. Show me the best airports that can manage to do that. Find me also an airport of those standard that can be able to find you the nearest gate in less than a minute after security check. If you can find one then I would willingly admit that I was wrong in choosing my standard.

I was there a month after Suvarnabhumi Airport opened to the public and its opening is the worst I've found so far followed by London Heathrow Terminal 5. I was lucky on the latter as I'm traveling domestic that time going to a midland place early in the morning that I left the place unscathed. Other departures fairly did well in the morning before everything went haywire. Despite the setbacks and some experiences at some of the biggest airports in Atlanta, Tokyo and Paris, I can't help but appreciate how comfortable Manila and other domestic airports are compared to these bustling mega-airports. Even with all their amenities combined. Sure they are pleasing to the eyes but those things don't matter to jet setters. I'm not saying I'm one of them. Lets just say I don't have the luxury of time appreciating those things anymore while I worry catching connecting flights to my final destination. I'll be naive if I tell you that I never appreciate those mega structure once in my life but I guess frequency will make you want to leave the place as fast as you could so that you can still have time for other things in life like having a goodnight sleep after a long flight. You would not worry much about it unless you leave again on a weeks time.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3216/2730759295_e953bac14d_b.jpg

I don't know if I am just lucky departing or arriving at either Terminal 1 or Terminal 2 as I never had the woes posted here. And I'm smart enough to choose the flight to avoid the congestion at the airport. Its like choosing to travel EDSA going to Makati at 7AM and going there at 10AM unless you have early appointments to catch. My point is expect heavy traffic in the morning when all people have same thing in mind going to the office than those who opt to travel midday. Its the same at airports. Choose your departures well and It will make your travel better. Don't expect a prompt flight during typhoon season and always consider the weather when you board the next flight. If you don't want to be in that possible scenario then don't travel on that period. Travelers who fly often than not generally on cheap flights complained the most. Have you ever wondered why there are few travelers from June to October? Its the time where statistically speaking typhoons are most frequent. Statistics can't be wrong ain't it?

Another thing is that traveling on an LCC always has its advantages and disadvantages. Probably when they take the choice, they have considered the fact that the airline needs to earn more to compensate the fares they paid and the only way to do that is to keep most planes on the air as long as possible, and when you do that most likely than not they end up on the repair stand. They are after all human machines with flaws. If planes could only speak, they could have said time-out a long time ago but its better that way. At least airplanes can take more of the beating than what they are designed for. And when they did breakdown be prepared to be on the ground for some time. Another tip to avoid delay is to travel the first flight out. Most passengers have a habit of not rising up early especially if the place of destination have multiple flights when they believe they could travel most conveniently during mid morning. That fallacy is false in bad weather. However, that remains true during normal times. If you expect it not to be and pursue still your travel plans whose stupid now?

What I'm saying is, Cebu Pacific has its flaws of operation maybe for now due to over-expansion which it handled terribly. Philippine Airlines as well as other international carrier has its flaws too. I've heard a lot of them while flying the american and european skies. Consider flying Chicago O'Hare on winter storm between January to March and see what I mean. Its worse if you have to connect flight. Since you are aware of these given conditions, why still pursue your flight despite risk of possible delays or cancellations.

Personally I don't go for advance ticket booking for the reasons cited in most complaints. A month reservation for international flight is reasonable enough and one week advance domestic booking is considered foreseaable, weather wise. If you are certain however of free turbulence 6 months ahead, then that would be fine. We should stop wasting time waiting at the airport ranting at the employees who did not know any better whats happening outside the airport terminal. they are not paid to do that job. If they were they could have offered you choices where to go and possibly warm and cozy hotel for the night or a nice jollibee meal and a pair of coffee or drinks as a way of saying sorry for the delay. I have plenty of those and yet I never complained. If you are expecting an important connecting international flight, have plenty of time between flights and you will never be disappointed. I should know having been there once. As Forrest Gump aptly put, stupid is as stupid does. So why then follow again the folly? You might want to think again.

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Lastly, The most important feature I think of Manila International Airport Terminal 1 from the modern terminals is the flipping schedule board and its antique architectural design from a bygone era. Even New York KJFK has still one of those. Its a classic by itself and believe me it will never go out if style by electronic boards. Its like being Tom Hanks in the movie Terminal. Well, whatever you folks has against its aging structure don't really matter to me, as they are quite an impressive sight. Funny thing is, foreigners enjoy the architecture and not the cue while Filipinos enjoy the cue and forget the architecture. Isn't it sad?

swahi

August 9th, 2008, 03:00 AM

arianespace, as a frequent traveller myself, I understand what you said.

Whenever I travel, I can see the difference among the different airports. Being big, doesn't mean its better for the passengers. For frequent travellers, big airports sometimes is tiring, due to the distance from point a to b. Heck, some airports have to post the time it will take to reach from point a to b inside the airport! Imagine if you are a connecting passenger and has to go from opposite ends of the terminal, and this has happened to me. over 2 hours stand by time allocated, then it takes up to 30 minutes to go from one boarding tube to the other, that's assuming you don't "sightsee" along the way. There are "bare bones" terminals like what we have in the Philippines: Kalibo, Caticlan, Legaspi, Butuan. You just have to expect those.

About our immigration counters? Try the Thai airport. Very long lines, clogs the space allocated for immigration. Weird how they didn't foresee it. LAX? Very tiring airport. Orlando international airport? Even though they provide a train to connect between airports, its still tiring. Yeah, our international airport is antiquated, but the problem is the very very long lines. And this is not because the airport is old, but its over, over, over capacity. The sheer number of passengers cannot be accomodated as you enter and check in. That's the same in Caticlan. With the sheer number of flights, their pre departure area only has around 100 seats. So its always standing room only. That's the problem in the Philippines. They wait for airports to burst before they plan for any expansion. Where the heck is our terminal airport fee going? Of course, we can't generalize it, as Davao, Iloilo and Bacolod are the newest airports outside of T2 and 3.

What is more important is planning your trip. give enough time for connecting, and yes, I do consider taking morning flights than afternoon or evening flights to minimize potential delays. This is more emphatic with LCC like Ceb Pac, Airphil, and even small airlines like SeaAir and Asian Spirit. With the turboprops, the ground time is as little as 30 minutes, while Ceb Pac jets allocating a max of 1 hour in between arrival and departure times. When there is a delay either on the takeoff or for landing, that puts pressure to catch up on the later flights. With PAL, they have allocated a total travel time of 1 hour 30 minutes for Manila-Cebu for example, when in fact without any hitches, the actual pull out of the terminal to the actual landing takes only 1 hour to 1 hour 10 minutes. The 20-30 minutes is actually an allowance. If they arrive "ahead of sked", good. If the flight is delayed, this 20-30 minutes gives them a buffer, that's why PAL's afternoon/evening flights if delayed, are not as bad.

However, no amount of planning will ever compensate if your flight is delayed for 2 hours or more. Its tiring to wait it out at the airport, whether the airport is big with lots of stores, or small, with nothing to do but play with the games on your cellphone or psp. So be wary of airlines that are infamous with such. PAL used to be infamous for that. Does SSC peeps know what PAL initials are jokingly called? How about PAL INC? Maybe eventually someone will make a joke out of CEBPAC's initials. I agree that CebPac is poorly handled during crisis situations. And crisis situations are very common, considering the tight schedules they keep for their flights. I pity their ground personnels who get the brunt.

I was able to overhear last month when I checked in for my flight to Manila, by the PAL's check in counter in Cebu, about a passenger who was taking a PAL express flight. The PAL express counter didn't know what to do. Eventually PAL counter personnel was "forced" or asked to help as the passenger vented out his complaint at the PAL counter. It seems that the PAL express counters were manned by AirPhil personnel. I also have sad stories with bad experience with Airphil in Naia 2. Its really about how their personnel handle situations. Airphil and Ceb Pac needs to improve on that.

mwg12a

August 9th, 2008, 05:10 AM

I share the same sentiments with arianspace and swani. When I first found SSC, i hear alot of complains amongst some of our forumers here on how bad T1, this was the time I was looking for an airlines to connect me in a domestic flight to cebu for the first time. I heard how bad T1 but when I arrived there, sure it looks a bit older, but it doesn't look so bad. Secondly, I keep hearing complaints about how it takes time to be cue in line at the immigration counter especially when there is more than one aircraft that arrived, well, that time, there was a NWA flight, asianna airlines and I think it was also Korean airlines flew in mins after one another but, I was able to get out of the terminal right away, admittingly NWA lost one of my luggages but it was delivered to my hotel room the following day.

Now, the airconditioning? I have never experienced the heat anywhere in the terminal building, I dont know if it's because it was always in a wee hour in the mornning or late in the evening when I depart or arrive, but i never ever experienced sweating my rear end off because of extreme heat inside and over crowding. Service wasn't too bad either. I'm sure once in awhile there is an incident but overall, I don't think Philippine airport is all that bad, other than it lacks real functioning toilet but, normally you get in and out of the terminal building without having the need to use the washrooms.

And yes... big airports are a pain in the neck, it means you have to run from one gate to another even if you have these walkalators. when you have carry on luggages, whether you held it by hand or even pull it if it has a roller, it still gets real heavy after awhile, but just the idea of long walk to get to your gate is really not a fun experience.

If you take LCCs be sure to read the fine prints and then don't expect what a full service airlines is providing, just to borrow a quote from kiretoce in the past, " it's like comparing an apple to an orange fruit, it simply is not the same.."

And yes I agree with swahi, PAL use to stand for "PLANE ALWAYS LATE"

RonnieR

August 9th, 2008, 05:46 AM

Plus it took them forever to credit the refund for credit card transactions.

If you call the accounting department, you're just lucky if someone will answer the phone for 24 hours.

You have other choice, you can e-mail them rather than calling. I've got two refunds for my flights to Bangkok and Jakarta, and I got them after 2 months. Their policy states that within 45 to 60 days, refund can be made.

Eriq

August 9th, 2008, 09:23 AM

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Lastly, The most important feature I think of Manila International Airport Terminal 1 from the modern terminals is the flipping schedule board and its antique architectural design from a bygone era. Even New York KJFK has still one of those. Its a classic by itself and believe me it will never go out if style by electronic boards. Its like being Tom Hanks in the movie Terminal. Well, whatever you folks has against its aging structure don't really matter to me, as they are quite an impressive sight. Funny thing is, foreigners enjoy the architecture and not the cue while Filipinos enjoy the cue and forget the architecture. Isn't it sad?

This. I thought I was the only one who loves NAIA 1's architecture. It just needs a lot of cleaning and renovation and it'll look grand again.

diz

August 9th, 2008, 09:28 AM

^^ I also love it. It just needs equipment modernization.

mwg12a

August 9th, 2008, 09:34 AM

^^^ Yep, a touch up here and there, nothing major except ofcourse the washrooms.

sloanesquare

August 9th, 2008, 09:35 AM

despair not arianespace. the good european train stations are still clicking away with those clicky clicky boards. wonderful. now i can read my book and just look up when that audible click tells you an update is happening ..instead of always checking on LCD's only to find nothing has changed.

as for the 15minute challenge: hand carry luggage only, i think i disembarked and was in my geneva hotel via a train in 30 minutes..so i must have been out of the airport very close to that 15 minute mark.

i am observing that most of the complaints about T3 is that people want it to be a show piece.

a waterfall inside T3 may make it memorable but i prefer basics like a snake queueing system to immigration rather than individual queues to counters, good toilets, good aircon ,adequate seats , decent eating places and an efficient ingress/egress at the arrival/departure driveways and you qualify as the worlds best airport in my books.

mwg12a

August 9th, 2008, 09:56 AM

^^^^ Yep, pretty much, to impress a few foreigners here and there, I wonder if "how about we make ourselves feel good and comfortable" instead of what other would think about us which half of the time, was just a figment of our imaginations..

ianers_ianized

August 9th, 2008, 12:53 PM

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I just wanna share my "Homebase" airport

I was on a PAL Flight last year during the first day of the dry run ops of this terminal. Being on one of the FIRST commercial flights and first passengers to use this terminal, i must say it changed a lot.

I went to the old intl terminal first and was asked which airline was I gonna be with, and as soon as they heard Philippine Airlines they put me in a bus with people wondering what was going on. Someone joined us in the bus and we were told its the soft opening of the newly built terminal and PAL along with Malaysia Airlines and China Southern Airlines will be the guinea pigs.

I remember our flight was delayed due to check-in problems, xray machines and sound system in the terminal. The immigration counters were unmanned and apparently some people were able to pass through without having their passports stamped (they got in trouble in MNL with the immigration).

When I passed through the immigration (there was somebody, luckily) I wandered around the airport coz we were told our flight will be delayed (for obvious reasons). No restaurants, no duty shops, completely empty. Could still smell the fresh paint and some people were still working on some finishing touches.

A mad vietnamese lady came up to me and others who were taking a tour around the terminal and she said "YOU FLIGHT MA-NEEEEEEE-LA LEAVING NOW". We had NO clue. When we got to the boarding gate another mad vietnamese was there and asked us if we heard the announcement 30 mins earlier. We all said no. She asked someone to go somewhere to try to listen if the sound system was working and evidently it wasnt. It only worked in the boarding area (around the door actually).

Now its almost a year since that day and the airport its functioning efficiently. And it looks beautiful esp now that it has shops, restaurants, gorgeous smoking areas (yeah im a big smoker its important)and some indoor garden too. A true international gateway for a country ravaged by war 30 years back and now developing rapidly.

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Flight Information Screen and the Check In Counters

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Boarding Gates, Aerobridge and EVA Boeing 777ER

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I hope MNL Terminal 3 has this kind of thing for the gates too

In 2 weeks time i will be flying back to Manila with Cebu Pacific and Im excited to MNL T3 in its early stages.... Would like to see what will it transform into after a year!

Are you Vietnamese?

The last time I went there 2006, it was still under construction now it has fully open to welcome thousand no. of tourist. Vietnam deserves this new airport becuase it has been a underrated tourist destination. And I'm glad that they're improving.

Workers of Qantas went on strike during the initial hike of oil prices grounding some of their local flights. Could this be a sabotage? I hope not.

LH is also on strike due to low compensation in its employees.

Dont blame NAIA3, ang problema kasi nila yung delayed flights and how to handle such situations. Parang walang back up plans baga. 5J has this problem since T1 pa sila. Nakaexperience din ako ng delayed flight ng 5J sa T1, 4 Hrs delayed yung flight namin going to BKK. Nung pauwi naman ako from BKK to Manila, delayed naman ng 2 hrs. May nakausap din ako na former flight stewardess nila. Sabi nya under fleet kasi ang 5J, tapos kuha sila ng kuha ng mga ruta.

OO nga, npansin ko na dagdag sila ng dag dag ng ruta pero ang plaes nile eh 14 or 19 lng servicing both domestic and international panu yun? As in sgad sagadan tlga ang gamit nila ng planes hindi ba masama yun?

At tsakaang yabang pg me bagong routes... Hanoi... Kaoshiung... kesyo sila lng daw nalipad sa Hanoi... oo nnga pero ang lipad mo kung hindi hating-gabi, ala-una ng umaga.Hindi mgandang sked sa mga pax na may tours lalo na yung mga 3d and 2n stay.

swahi

August 9th, 2008, 04:34 PM

And yes I agree with swahi, PAL use to stand for "PLANE ALWAYS LATE"

:applause: You got the joke about PAL initials. Now, what about PAL INC. Anyone with an idea what CEBPAC means?

swahi

August 9th, 2008, 04:37 PM

^^^ Yep, a touch up here and there, nothing major except ofcourse the washrooms.

Wow, finally, someone who also noticed it!! This one I really don't get why our airports' washrooms sucks. either they are too small, or too few and far in between, or incomplete in amenities and/or accessories, or downright untidy. This applies with T1, T2, old domestic airport, Mactan, and all those old domestic airports.

spearhead

August 9th, 2008, 09:03 PM

"3rd int'l airport is being planned off manila bay."

According to Taguig Mayor Tinga, he is planning to build a 4th airport for Metromanila along the coast of the Laguna de Bay. God Almighty!

3RD to service metro manila and its immediate surrounding cities/provinces.

arianespace

August 9th, 2008, 09:40 PM

Mojacko

August 9th, 2008, 10:00 PM

:applause: You got the joke about PAL initials. Now, what about PAL INC. Anyone with an idea what CEBPAC means?

There is a joke pertaining to Cebu Pacific, but not by its abbreviation or initials. It goes: "Cebu Pacific: take off from Cebu, land in the Pacific."

Another joke pertaining to another local airline is: "Asian Spirit: board as Asians, disembark as spirits."

But of course the one on PAL remains a classic: "Philippine Airlines: Plane is Always Late."

xoelts

August 9th, 2008, 10:54 PM

i didnt know dat theres touchscreens at PAL...

swahi

August 10th, 2008, 12:14 AM

^^
Find a nice toilet 10 minutes after the NBA half time, or the NFL game. Lets see if you can be able to see a toilet condition before the game starts. You simply can't find one.

My point is if you happened to arrive or depart in droves, meaning three or four 747 are waiting for all of you, then expect the unexpected. You might end up wanting the toilet paper because the one who used it before you did managed to get all the rolls home. I've been using it often and have no complaints about it, as it was maintained well for a 30 year old comfort rooms well beyond its expected life and capacity, although I admit that some mega airports are better because they don't last that long. But hey you're on a third world country. Does it not help you? What a shame!:ohno:

At the mactan terminal's arrival baggage carousel area, the men's room only has 2 urinals and 1 water closet, the ladies 2 water closet, 2 washrooms located at both ends. That's it. T2's arrival area only has 4 urinals and 4 water closets for the men's, the ladies only have 4 or 5 water closets. Its crazy to allocate only so few. It has nothing to do with a full plane arriving, coz even a half full 737, the bathrooms at the arrival section overflows. Wrong design.

mwg12a

August 10th, 2008, 03:04 PM

in_a_rush

August 10th, 2008, 03:49 PM

I go out of the country every year, tapos this year, I've been to the US and Hongkong. I used both T1 and T2. pero wala naman akong naging problema sa airport natin, kahit yung CR, wala namang problema, nag-fluflush naman. yung pila sa immigration sa T1, tolerable naman. kasing haba lang ng pila sa immigration sa HK. mga 10 times na kong nakakasakay ng PAL, pero never na-delay yung flight ko. advance pa nga ng 5 minutes yung papunta ng HK e. siguro swerte lang talaga ako. hehe

swahi

August 10th, 2008, 04:39 PM

^^^ Okay, now I'm curious on the fact that you know the facilities in ladies rooms??and what the heck is a water closet??? HA HA HA HA

It's been awhile since I've joined SSC Philippines but each time I visit about any philippine airport discussion, it's almost always I would run into you guys talking about toilets, toilet bowls, if it's an automatic flushing mechanism or not.. WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE ????????????? WHAT'S UP WITH THE OBESSSION ABOUT TOILETS???LMAO

A water closet is the official name of those cubicles where you sit when you shit for guys, and pee for girls. That's what you order when at a hardware store. Some people know it more as toilet bowls. Ladies room has the same dimensions as the mens room, except it has more cubicles. Because of the sheer number of people using it at one time, the access door is kept open, and its directly opposite the door of the men's room, as far as T2 arrival area is concerned. Of course, I've never been inside, nor am I in the habit of counting the number of men's cubicles and urinals, so much more with the ladies' section. Just wished that our designers would consider more the call of nature. In other international airports, they have toilets scattered along the way to/from the aerobridges to the arrival, customs, immigration, unlike in our airports.

As far as bathrooms and toilets are concerned, this is what is taught in management courses, and even in some MBA courses, as far as I am concerned. When inspecting a restaurant, an office, a factory, etc., you don't judge the maintenance, cleanliness, organization of the premises by the looks of what you see first hand. You go to the back and check out their bathrooms, their dirty kitchens, and you will find out how serious the owners or managers are, if what you see at the front is just for show, or if it is the real deal when you see the backroom, which includes, yes, the toilet. A dirty, inadequate, unkept toilet is a sign that the company is not really 100% as far as commitment is concerned towards perfection, or excellence. Now, about those automatic flush mechanisms, it just shows what the company/airport wants to convey to the public: high end, low end, luxury, functionality, etc.

I hope this enlightens you about all this fuss about the toilet, toilet humor or not.

mwg12a

August 10th, 2008, 11:52 PM

Oh, thanks for a quick lecture. I just never bought toilet sit/ commode/potty/closet or whatever it is officially called cuz when I buy a house, I always buy the ones already built so I don't have to go through all the hazzles..lol I call it john actually... he he

cubicle to me is that enclosure, whether it's made out of wood, metal or composite materials. I call the urinals in men's room as pissers..lol

Nah, I was just curious really because I only see toilets being discussed in Philippine airport threads but not encountered that topic in other airport threads elsewhere in the world whenever they have discussions about a new airport being built.

swahi

August 11th, 2008, 02:38 AM

Sorry about the lecture, bro. I don't know why pinoys have this fetish for toilet humor. But they do! Especially those noon time variety shows. I'd understand how "3rd world" our old airports are, including their toilets. But what makes me shake my head is that when they fix up the toilet, in Mactan/Cebu airport for example, takes them over 6 months to fix up, and when the toilet reopens, it still has the same number of urinals, cubicles! To think that they could have done some remodelling over this 6 month period. I haven't been to T3 yet so can't include that in the toilet humor discussion.

sloanesquare

August 11th, 2008, 03:23 AM

swahi

August 11th, 2008, 04:43 AM

i don't know if they have installed the waterless urinals, but I doubt it, because the waterless urinals are a recent technology, I am sure when they designed T3, waterless urinals wasn't available.

It is not just SM who is switching to these urinal types, even Jollibee, in some of their branches. There is also a new mall, called ParkMall in Cebu that installed the waterless urinal as standard equipment. When I went to the german embassy at the RCBC bldg this year to apply for a visa, they were using the waterless urinals already.

It costs around 8-12K depending on the brand, but the gel is supposed to last equivalent to 6 months depending on the usage, and water savings equivalent to 150,000 liters worth of water per urinal.

http://www.falconwaterfree.com.ph/index.htm

habagatcentral1

August 11th, 2008, 04:45 AM

Question:

How much does a potty (toilet bowl) in the lavatories of the modern commercial airliners cost?
Thanks! :D

jvl

August 11th, 2008, 06:13 AM

^ Funny discussions....where small things becomes a big deal! :lol:

mwg12a

August 11th, 2008, 04:17 PM

HA HA, Okay, i admit it, I'm guilty!! I was the one who fueled this discussion HA HA

But kidding aside, that's a breakthough, waterless pissers... that means no more stinky public toilets in most business and commercial stablishments in Phils. They need to have those installed in all Philippine airports ASAP!!! And they need to put baby changing stations in men's room sheesh. Pinoy men?? you need to learn and pitch in help with caring babies, sheesh...LOL Last time I was in the Philippines, I went to ACC in cebu, I had to do it down the hallway where people watching me change a baby's diaper since the friggin changing station is at the women's room. They need to have a family room instead. Especially at the airport.

arianespace

August 11th, 2008, 04:22 PM

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Philippine Airlines Brand New Dash 8 wheel collapse on landing at Catarman
By Simon Hradecky (http://avherald.com/h?article=40affac9&opt=0), created Monday, Aug 11th 2008 10:18Z, last updated Monday, Aug 11th 2008 10:19Z

A Philippine Airlines de Havilland Dash-8-400, flight PR29 from Manila to Catarman (Philippines) with 75 passengers and 3 crew, had safely landed on runway 04 at Catarman Airport and was going to taxi off the runway, when the airplane's nosewheel struck a soft spot in the runway's surface, the airline reported.

While doing a 180 degrees turn to backtrack the runway, the airplane's right main gear hit a soft spot in the runway's surface, causing the airplane's gear to collapse, the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines (CAAP) said.

No injuries were reported. The runway needed to be closed down for the entire Monday

mambo

August 11th, 2008, 04:37 PM

mali ata ang paglagay ng landing gear ng plane na yan di ba ganyan din nangyari sa sas

mwg12a

August 11th, 2008, 05:41 PM

HIndi, katitipid ng gobyerno sa paggawa ng mga airport terminals, pati yuong taxiways ng maliliit na airport kinukuripot, ayan, mga eroplano naapektohan. Hindi ba kaya ang Cathy Pacific medyo nagbackout sa DVO airport dahil walang taxiway, masisira daw yuong mga eroplano nila?

swahi

August 12th, 2008, 06:08 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_Q400

This is an excerpt from the above website, though I don't think the failure was due to structural defect of the plane but rather the runway.

Landing gear issues
On 12 September 2007, Bombardier recommended all Q400s with over 10,000 landings to be grounded for inspection of their landing gear after two non-fatal accidents within three days involving the landing gear of a Q400 series aircraft. Both incident aircraft were operated by Scandinavian Airlines, an early operator of the type.[11] This affected about 60 aircraft, out of 140 Q400s in service. In all, eight Q400s had landing gear failures while landing during 2007: four in Denmark, one in Germany, one in Japan, one in Lithuania and one in South Korea; see section Notable incidents and accidents. Following an incident at Copenhagen Airport, 27 October 2007, Scandinavian Airlines' executive board decided to cease operation of the Q-400 model, primarily out of concern for the company's reputation.[12][13] On March 10th, 2008, SAS ordered 27 more aircraft from Bombardier in a compensation deal.[14]

allan_dude

August 12th, 2008, 12:51 PM

PAL resumes La Union flight

By Jun Elias
Tuesday, August 12, 2008

SAN FERNANDO CITY, La Union – The Philippine Airlines has resumed operation last week at the newly renovated and expanded Poro Point International Airport here while the formal launching of its inaugural flight was set on Aug. 15.

Josefa Catherine Bada, vice president for airport operation of the Poro Point Management Corp., told The STAR that PAL will be flying in from Manila to San Fernando, vise versa, every Mondays, Wednesdays, Fridays and Sundays.

Bada said PAL will be using its Q300 and Q400 planes that can accommodate 56 and 74 passengers, respectively.

“We are now officially open since Aug. 7 but we will be holding the formal launching of domestic flight on Aug. 15,” Bada said

Lawyer Felix Racadio, PPMC president and chief executive officer, told The STAR recently that the resumption of PAL flights will enhance economic activities in La Union particularly inside the Poro Point Freeport Zone.

“PAL’s decision to include San Fernando in its expansion program is a big boost to the ongoing efforts of transforming the Freeport Zone into a world-class tourism and commercial destination,” Racadio said.

PPMC initiated the airport’s upgrading and expansion early this year after President Arroyo approved the allocation of at least P500 million for the repair and construction of several facilities and installation of navigational equipment.

Racadio said businessmen in La Union and its neighboring provinces welcomed PAL’s expansion program because it will ease their travel time going to and from Manila.

“In no time, Poro Point and the rest of La Union will be more accessible to the domestic and foreign tourism markets,” he said.

He said that the airport’s runway and the upgrading of its facilities can now accommodate international flights using B-737 and A320 aircrafts.

Stuck up

Meanwhile, PAL’s Express, a twin turbo prop plane got stuck at the end of a runway in Catarman, Samar at 8:27 a.m. yesterday when the plane’s landing gear fell off the edge of the runway while turning around at the terminal shortly after landing.

None of the 78 passengers and crew of Flight PR209, a brand-new turbo-prop DeHaviland 4 type plane was reported hurt. – With Rudy Santos

http://philstar.com/index.php?Nation&p=49&type=2&sec=28&aid=2008081138

mwg12a

August 12th, 2008, 03:04 PM

I wonder why they called Poro Point as an International airport when the runway alone and facilities can accomodate smaller aircrafts like B737 and A320, then mostly turbo props planes. Is it capable of handling international parcel carriers with larger aircrafts about the size of A330, B767 or A300?

arianespace

August 12th, 2008, 04:14 PM

^^
Its not. Its just a publicity stunt similar to Iloilo and Bacolod. The real ones are those in Subic, Clark, Laoag, Puerto Princesa, Cebu, Kalibo, Davao, Gensan and Zamboanga. Its how politicians make a hill out of molehill.:lol:

g0Rs

August 12th, 2008, 04:32 PM

PAL to offer flights to and from Iligan
08/11/2008 | 02:14 AM

CAGAYAN DE ORO CITY, Philippines — Philippine Airlines (PAL) will operate the Manila-Iligan and Cebu-Iligan routes next month through 76-seater planes under low-cost brand PAL Express.

Iligan City Mayor Lawrence L. Cruz said last week PAL would again be active at the nearby Baloi Airport, with flights tentatively scheduled to start on Sept. 27.

Domingo Duerme, PAL senior assistant vice-president for Mindanao sales, said the airline would fly up to four times a week from Iligan City to Manila. The Cebu-Iligan route will have three flights weekly. A 50-seater Bombardier Quiet (Q300) jet propeller will fly the Cebu-Iligan route, while a Q400 will operate in the Manila-Iligan route. At present, passengers going to Manila and Cebu have to come in this city first.

Mindanao provinces and cities west of this city, including Lanao del Norte, Lanao del Sur and Marawi City, make up a significant market not only for airline but also for shipping companies.

Most ferries from Northern Mindanao, including this city’s port, going to Cebu and Manila pass by the port of Iligan to pick up passengers from northwestern provinces of Mindanao.

Iligan City has been served for years by the Maria Cristina Airport, but PAL stopped flights of its less-efficient Fokker and Sunriser planes due to increasing costs and low passenger and cargo traffic.

Iligan is among the most important ports of Mindanao, hosting at least a dozen large manufacturing plants. The city has a population close to 400,000 people. — Geefe P. Alba, BusinessWorld

GMA News (http://www.gmanews.tv/story/112777/PAL-to-offer-flights-to-and-from-Iligan)

arianespace

August 12th, 2008, 05:08 PM

WOW. Great News! I was not expecting their return to RPMI. Its not even on the initial list of proposed destinations I've seen last March. Perhaps other surprise destinations will come along the way. RPMP and RPMC are on the list but is not yet served. RPMP is understandable as they were having runway upgrading and re-pavement. So maybe when its done Asian Spirit and Pal Express would be there.

Previously, a Shorts 360-300 from Cebu, typically called [Sunriser] crashed while on approach on that airport in 1987. I think it was in December on that year killing all 15 passengers and crew. Caused of crash was attributed to the weather (low cloud ceiling) and the plane was approaching runway 02 for final when it bumped into the mountain southwest of Iligan. SOP for VFR approach requires victor from Buruun to Baloi and circle counterclockwise downwind, I think Buruun is where National Steel is located but I'm not so sure if its correct. Anyway, finding Buruun was easy but the airport proved difficult. It was raining very hard on that fatal day. The pilot managed to see the airport through break in the clouds and when he initialed approach he bumped into the mountain instead.

RPMI is like flying to Baguio on Bad weather. Its very dangerous. The reason for that is the terrain and the altitude where the airport lies. It sits on a plateau bordering Lanao del Sur. Currently, landing is restricted to fair weather operations only so my advice refrain from taking it on bad weather. Anyway I don't think airlines would be flying with that risk especially the history it has. Earliest recorded fatal crashes on that area was in 1964 followed by 1970 crash of F-27 and the 3rd one is the SD 360.

ponso

August 13th, 2008, 03:17 AM

Add FRA to your list - the largest departure board is similar to T1! As for train stations, Gare du Nord which hosts Eurostar and Thalys trains to Brussels indeed use the old style boards!

despair not arianespace. the good european train stations are still clicking away with those clicky clicky boards. wonderful. now i can read my book and just look up when that audible click tells you an update is happening ..instead of always checking on LCD's only to find nothing has changed.

as for the 15minute challenge: hand carry luggage only, i think i disembarked and was in my geneva hotel via a train in 30 minutes..so i must have been out of the airport very close to that 15 minute mark.

i am observing that most of the complaints about T3 is that people want it to be a show piece.

a waterfall inside T3 may make it memorable but i prefer basics like a snake queueing system to immigration rather than individual queues to counters, good toilets, good aircon ,adequate seats , decent eating places and an efficient ingress/egress at the arrival/departure driveways and you qualify as the worlds best airport in my books.

bustero

August 13th, 2008, 07:28 AM

let's hope Mr Tan doesn't hog all these entitlements, puede na sa PR iyung finland hehe

Vol. XXII, No. 13
Wednesday, August 13, 2008 | MANILA, PHILIPPINES
The Economy

BY PAOLO LUIS G. MONTECILLO
RP prepares for more air deals

THE PHILIPPINES will seek more flight entitlements to various destinations abroad, despite a current lower demand for air travel worldwide as a result of high fuel prices.

The Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB) said it has negotiations for more seat entitlements with the air panels of different countries lined up, in anticipation of a recovery in demand as oil prices stabilize. Porvenir P. Porciuncula, CAB deputy executive director, said in an interview yesterday that the "government is simply providing the framework" for that time when airlines would need to service higher demand. "If the demand goes back, at least the entitlements are there," he said.

He said CAB is currently working on flight entitlements with Malaysia, for this month, and with Finland by end-September. The Philippines will also seek more flights to Spain, Canada and Japan before the year ends, he added.

Since last April, negotiations with air panels from Macau, Hong Kong, Thailand, and — most recently — Iran, have resulted in flight entitlements between these countries and the Philippines, mainly operating through the latter’s international airports in Manila and Clark Freeport in Pampanga.

Mr. Porciuncula said efforts to secure more entitlements were spurred by the need last year for more flights to cope with a marked surge in passenger demand. This year, however, the impact of rising fuel prices on travel and on airlines’ bottom lines had forced these companies to cut costs through steps like reducing allowed baggage weight and flight frequencies. Airlines did not expect oil prices to spike the way they did, he noted.

Mr. Porciuncula said that, with oil prices and an economic slowdown squeezing travelers’ budgets, "we have to expect that there will be a slowdown."

Though jet fuel prices have eased from a record high of $180 per barrel early last month, at its current $151 per barrel, it is still almost 70% more expensive than it was a year ago.

Philippine Airlines (PAL) Vice-President for Corporate Communications Rolando G. Estabillo said the flag carrier would "definitely" seek for more flight entitlements to destinations that offer good market prospects.

For instance, Mr. Estabillo said, PAL will seek more entitlements to Canada, which has been a "very lucrative route."

The airline flies once a day to Vancouver, Canada, which is also the stop-over point for Las Vegas-bound passengers from Manila.

boy08

August 13th, 2008, 07:39 PM

ianers_ianized

August 14th, 2008, 09:05 AM

http://www.skyliner-aviation.de/photos/rp-c3018.jpg

Bat hindi pa eni-extend ng PAL logo hanggang dulo sa Q400 nila.. i mean yung bare white portion sa tail... it will look like an F50 if ever... more aesthetically beautiful.

boy08

August 15th, 2008, 08:42 AM

Bat hindi pa eni-extend ng PAL logo hanggang dulo sa Q400 nila.. i mean yung bare white portion sa tail... it will look like an F50 if ever... more aesthetically beautiful.

oo nga it is most aesthetic to look, remember their Fokker 50 sinagad nila ung logo they should do that to their Q400 and Q300

mygz14

August 15th, 2008, 11:54 AM

MANILA, Philippines — A fisherfolk group alliance threatened to file a separate class suit against Environment Secretary Joselito Atienza if he refused to stop government reclamation activities along Manila Bay.

The Pambansang Lakas ng Kilusang Mamamalakaya ng Pilipinas (Pamalakaya) said unbridled reclamation activities contributes to the destruction of the bay.

“We are not happy with the way the national government is treating Manila Bay. We are being blamed for its deterioration. Why us? We are not destroyers of natural resources and marine environment," Pamalakaya chairman Fernando Hicap said in a statement.

“We cannot destroy our main source of livelihood. It is impossible for us to do that, because destroying Manila Bay is like destroying our basis for existence. In fact, we are victims here," he said.

Hicap said his group will discuss the planned class suit with their legal counsel and leaders and members in Bataan, Bulacan, Navotas, Cavite and allies in Parañaque and Las Piñas.

“The real culprits in the destruction of Manila Bay are the national government and its corporate clients performing anti-environment and anti-people businesses along the bay," Hicap said.

He said the government is at fault not just for allowing factories and commercial establishments to discharge toxic wastes in Pasig River and Manila Bay, but also for its baywide reclamation projects.

The militant group said about 20,000 hectares of Manila Bay waters have been subjected to reclamation to pave way for the construction of special economic zones in Bataan and Cavite, the commercial spaces presently occupied by Manila Film Center, the GSIS Building in Pasay City, the Cultural Center of the Philippines and Folk Arts Theater in Manila, and the SM Mall of Asia and other commercial companies in Pasay City.

Pamalakaya said Secretary Atienza has given the state-owned Philippine Amusement and Gaming Corporation (Pagcor) the environmental clearance certificate to develop the 90-hectare reclaimed casino and resort complex in Manila Bay that will begin in the third quarter of the year.

Pagcor said companies with approved proposals must invest at least US$1 billion for their projects, with initial $400 million investments in the first two years

On top of the $15 billion casino project to be constructed along Manila Bay, Pamalakaya said Secretary Atienza had granted ECC to the ambitious Cavite Coastal Road Project II that would involve reclamation of more than 8,000 hectares of coastal waters along Manila Bay from Bacoor to Cavite City.

Reports said aside from coastal road that would link Manila to Cavite, an international seaport will be constructed and will be annexed to the revive Sangley Point, a former US military base.

Pamalakaya said close to 3 million coastal people in Metro Manila and Cavite are still dependent on fishing as principal source of livelihood, and any move to transform or convert Manila Bay for other purposes like the $15-billion casino project and the Cavite Phase II Coastal Road project will have a killing impact on the livelihood of small fishermen, aside from the fact that they would be demolished from their communities, once construction of support structures and establishments begins.

“From 1992 to 1995, the demolitions of coastal shanties became an everyday ordeal in Pasay Reclamation area. Houses were uprooted on almost day-to-day basis. Small and big time bribery to divide the communities were conducted to facilitate the demolition of coastal communities," Pamalakaya said.

The setting up of casino and resorts, including SM’sMall of Asia was all in the master plan of the government known as Manila Bay Master Development Plan that officially started during the time of President Ramos and projected to end between 2020 and 2025.

Hicap recalled that 3,500 small fisherfolk in the Pasay Reclamation Area, and another 3,000 coastal and urban poor families along the coastal shores of Parañaque, were evicted by the government of former President Ramos to pave way for the construction of the proposed casino that would make the Philippines the Las Vegas of Asia

The militant group said 60 percent of pollution entering Manila Bay comes through the Pasig River, and 80 percent of the pollution comes from industries and commercial establishments situated along the country’s major river system in the National Capital Region. Another 15 percent of the pollution that gets into Manila Bay comes from Pampanga River, which the group said, is colonized by big and small polluting factories.

“The government is blaming overfishing as a major factor in the degradation of Manila Bay. That is a flimsy and ridiculous excuse. The massive privatization and conversion of public lands and coastal communities along the bay since the Marcos dictatorship up to present administration of President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo is the principal reason why Manila Bay is under the Intensive Care Unit, and suffering from environmental comatose," Pamalakaya said. - GMANews.TV (http://www.gmanews.tv/story/113985/Environment-chief-threatened-with-class-suit-over-Manila-Bay-reclamations)

Sky Harbor

August 15th, 2008, 12:35 PM

arianespace

August 15th, 2008, 05:21 PM

CEB starts Cebu-General Santos

http://images2.jetphotos.net/img/1/7/2/7/44611_1180802727.jpg

Low-fare leader Cebu Pacific (CEB) will expand its route network from Cebu with the launch of its direct Cebu-General Santos (GenSan) service starting August 15, 2008.

CEB offers a P999 all-inclusive one-way fare for its newest route starting August 15-21, 2008. The seat sale is non-refundable and is good for travel from August 15-December 17, 2008.

Candice Iyog, CEB spokesman said, “We will continue to expand our operations and offer the lowest ‘all-inclusive’ fares especially to new CEB routes that have not been previously exposed to our low fares.”

The three-times weekly Cebu-GenSan A319 service will operate every Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. The flight departs from Cebu at 10:30am and arrives in GenSan at 11:30am. It leaves GenSan at 12:00nn and arrives back in Cebu at 1:10pm.

Iyog added, “We encourage the public to book their flights via www.cebupacificair.com or call its reservations hotline (02) 7020888 or (032) 2308888 or contact their travel agent. Fares are so low and are even comparable to other modes of transport such as ferries and buses.”

CEB also announced that they will start operating a direct Cebu-Tacloban service beginning September 2. The airline is offering a P699 all-in seat sale fare for this new route. The seat sale will run from August 15-21, 2008 and is good for travel from September 2-December 17, 2008.

From its Cebu hub, CEB also flies direct from Cebu to Bacolod, Boracay (Caticlan), Butuan, Cagayan de Oro, Clark, Davao, Iloilo, Manila, Puerto Princesa and Zamboanga. International services from Cebu include direct flights to Hong Kong, Singapore, Incheon and Pusan in Korea.

Also Cebu Pacific (CEB) has reduce fares for select domestic routes by as much as 35% starting 11-Aug-08.

The lowest one-way ‘all-inclusive’ fares from Manila to Mindanao is cut from PHP2,488 to PHP1,988. One-way fare for flights from Manila to Puerto Princessa and Tagbilaran is also reduced from PHP1,988 to PHP1,488.

Moreover, the airline reduced one-way fare from Manila to Boracay by 35% and other Visayas destinations have been reduced to PHP1,288 ‘all-in’.

Candice Iyog, CEB vice president for marketing and product, said, ”We are providing the public very low fares that will allow them to continue flying despite the economic downturn. We feel that we can further stimulate trade and domestic tourism by providing very affordable travel options to our wide passenger base.”

This is the airline’s second permanent fare reduction initiative after it launched all inclusive pricing for its domestic services on Jun-08.

Iyog added, “This is a clear manifestation of our commitment to bring air travel closer to as many Filipinos. With fares very much comparable to other modes of transport, passengers who used to take bus and ferry rides can now look into flying as a viable option.”

She further explained, “Now that our operations have stabilized and moved to the new CEB terminal at T3, we are happy that we will be able to offer our passengers a better airport experience too.”

Now in its 13th year, CEB has the youngest aircraft fleet in the Philippines. It has a fleet of ten A319s, eight A320s, and two ATR72-500 aircraft.

arianespace

August 15th, 2008, 05:28 PM

Philippine budget airlines
expand foreign operations

http://images2.jetphotos.net/img/1/9/7/8/89926_1206971879.jpg

By Darwin G. Amojelar (http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2008/aug/12/yehey/business/20080812bus1.html), Reporter

DESPITE high jet fuel prices, local budget airlines plan to expand abroad using Manila and Clark as jump-off points, the Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB) said.

In separate filings with the CAB, Cebu Pacific, Asian Spirit and Southeast Asian Airlines (Seair) said they plan to increase their respective regional operations.

Gokongwei-owned Cebu Pacific filed for an additional 2,378 seat entitlements a week to Thailand under the recently concluded confidential memorandum of understanding.

Of the total seat entitlements, Cebu Pacific wants 1,064 additional seat entitlements a week from Manila to Bangkok and vise versa. It also wants 390 seat entitlements from other points in the Philippines to other points in Thailand, four seat entitlements from points in the Philippines except Manila and Clark to Thailand, and 1,260 seat entitlements from Clark to points in Thailand, and vice versa.

Asian Spirit also filed a petition for designation as official Philippine carrier to Thailand.

Last month, the Philippines and Thailand agreed to raise flight frequencies in bid to boost two-way tourism and trade.

The air agreement allocated 8,600 seats for Diosdado Macapagal International Airport in Clark Freeport; 5,400 seats for Manila airports and 2,110 seats to other airports outside Clark and Metro Manila.

In addition, Asian Spirit has applied for 1,250 seat entitlements from Manila to Hong Kong and vice versa, as well as 1,250 seats from Clark to Hong Kong and vice versa. The airline will use the Airbus A320.

Seair wants 2,520 seat entitlements for both Hong Kong and Macau from Clark.

The Philippine air panel and its counterpart in Macau recently completed an air service agreement bringing the total seat entitlements to 13,100 a week from 850.

Similarly, the Philippines and Hong Kong agreed to 23,800 seat entitlements a week for each state. Of the total, 15,000 had been allocated to Manila, 6,300 to Clark and the remaining 2,500 to Cebu.

Seair also filed an application seeking designation as official carrier to the Brunei-Indonesia-Malaysia-Philippines East Asian Growth Area.

mwg12a

August 15th, 2008, 05:40 PM

Looks like NAIA T3 might just be filled with Philippine carriers to service international destinations with seair, asian spirit, cebu pacific and air Philippines going heads on with their battle to service the above mentioned international routes to and from all different points of the Philippines. Okay, I don't have any basis for that, just my own opinion, so don't quote me on these.

Rall

August 15th, 2008, 08:04 PM

http://images2.jetphotos.net/img/1/9/7/8/89926_1206971879.jpg

at first look... akala ko sa highway mag-land...:lol::lol::lol:

swahi

August 16th, 2008, 01:24 AM

Re Ceb Pac's Ceb-Gensan route, its going to give Pal Express stiff competition. A319 vs Q400. 20 kgs allowance vs 10 kgs allowance. Cargo business vs no cargo capacity. 1 hr/1hr 10 min vs 1 hr 20 min allocated travel time.

habagatcentral1

August 16th, 2008, 02:00 AM

CEB starts Cebu-General Santos
Now in its 13th year, CEB has the youngest aircraft fleet in the Philippines. It has a fleet of ten A319s, eight A320s, and two ATR72-500 aircraft.

How many aircraft are they targeting on their fleet?

Askal82

August 16th, 2008, 03:03 AM

at first look... akala ko sa highway mag-land...:lol::lol::lol:

It's a two-lane road for me. :lol::lol:

kiretoce

August 16th, 2008, 04:08 AM

http://images2.jetphotos.net/img/1/9/7/8/89926_1206971879.jpg

That photo reminds me of landings at Princess Juliana International Airport (SXM) on St. Maarten/St. Martin. Here's a vidclip of a KLM 747 coming in for a landing.

zAfQwDizpRo
LINK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAfQwDizpRo)

swahi

August 16th, 2008, 05:15 AM

How many aircraft are they targeting on their fleet?

The more sensitive question is, how do they plan to balance their fleet when with their flight schedules before these additional routes, they were already hard pressed to catch up with their schedules. Now, they added more scheduled flights. Did they add planes to their fleets or removed some existing routes?

n773ph

August 16th, 2008, 08:03 AM

diz

August 16th, 2008, 08:34 AM

Panasonic Avionics Corporation To Supply Philippine Airlines with eX2 on A340 and B777 Aircraft (http://www.live-pr.com/en/panasonic-avionics-corporation-to-supply-r1048203602.htm)
11.08.2008 23:42:20

Today Panasonic Avionics Corporation announced that Philippine Airlines has chosen to provide eX2, a flexible and scalable in-flight entertainment (IFE) system with full cabin audio and video on demand (AVOD) to provide a satisfying passenger experience.

(live-PR.com) - Panasonic Avionics Corporation (Panasonic) today announced an agreement with Philippine Airlines to supply eX2 on six (6) brand new B777-300ER aircraft and four (4) A340-300 retrofit programs with anticipated deliveries in 2009.

Under the agreement, Panasonic will provide Philippine Airlines a flexible and scalable in-flight entertainment (IFE) system with full cabin audio and video on demand (AVOD) to provide a satisfying passenger experience. Panasonic eX2 is a powerful IFE system with a standards-based design for maximum flexibility for interactive entertainment.

This is an extension of a relationship that dates back to the early 1990s when Panasonic supplied S2000e to Philippine Airlines. Since 2006, Panasonic has started delivering eFX for Philippine Airlines’ brand new A319s and A320 with AVOD in business class for a fleet build-up of 15 aircraft.

"The decision to choose Panasonic represents a unique strategic direction for Philippine Airlines, as we require a quality IFE solution that provides a simple, powerful, redundant system that will allow growth well into the future," said Mr. Felix J. Cruz, Vice President Marketing Support at Philippine Airlines. "We chose Panasonic eX2 because it has proven to be the most functional and reliable IFE technology and believe in Panasonic’s vision and commitment to help Philippine Airlines deliver significant entertainment value to our passengers."

"We are pleased that a long-term customer such as Philippine Airlines has chosen our eX2 product, as we partner with them to keep their passengers entertained and informed," said Paul Margis, Chief Executive Officer at Panasonic Avionics Corporation. "This agreement is further validation that Panasonic is continuing to deliver the innovative technologies for in-flight entertainment systems that provide airlines a competitive advantage.”

About Panasonic Avionics Corporation
Panasonic Avionics Corporation is the world's leading supplier of in-flight entertainment and communication systems. The company’s best-in-class solutions, supported by professional maintenance services, fully integrates with the cabin enabling airlines to deliver the ultimate travel experiences with a rich variety of entertainment choices, resulting in improved quality communication systems and solutions, reduced time-to-market and lower overall costs.

Established in 1979, Panasonic Avionics serves over 200 customers worldwide and provides systems on over 3,700 aircraft. Headquartered in Lake Forest, California, the company employs over 2,600 employees with operations in 80 locations worldwide. For additional information, please visit www.panasonic.aero.

Panasonic Avionics Corporation is a subsidiary of Panasonic Corporation of North America, the principal North American subsidiary of Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd. (NYSE: MC). Additional information on Matsushita Electric and Panasonic is available at www.panasonic.com.

This is what they look like
http://www.zdnet.com.au/story_media/339283273/photos-airbus-a380-takes-off_8.jpg

Potchot69

August 16th, 2008, 09:55 AM

P_tang inang mga aktibistang 'yan! Puro reklamo sa kahirapan ng bansa. Ngayong me ginagawa ang pamahalaan para masolusyonan ang kahirapan, bara naman sila ng bara! Ayaw nilang magalaw ang mga squatter sa reclamation at coastal road dahil gusto nilang gan'on na lang sila lagi, walang asenso para may maidahilan pa sila sa mga protesta nila! Mga gago!!!:bash:

arianespace

August 16th, 2008, 06:26 PM

^^Re Ceb Pac's Ceb-Gensan route, its going to give Pal Express stiff competition. A319 vs Q400. 20 kgs allowance vs 10 kgs allowance. Cargo business vs no cargo capacity. 1 hr/1hr 10 min vs 1 hr 20 min allocated travel time.

PAL Express did it in ZAM already. But it appeared that their daily service was no match for the 4x weekly service of CEB via A319. We've been discussing this issue in Zamboanga thread with Sky Harbor. And it appeared that the winner at this time is Cebu Pacific. That is the reason why they are testing the same strategy to Gensan. By the looks of it CEB was already successful in DVO and ILO sectors.

Reiterating some of my post here, For the same price why would I travel by turboprop when jet service is available and it will take you only 40 to 45 minutes to be in Davao and Cebu from Zamboanga compared to props which is 55 minutes to an hour depending on the wind. For first timer I would take that ride but not in subsequent ones except perhaps if there is no flight available for that day. Actually, PAL Express is much cheaper on that sector if you buy an outright ticket. Don't know on the advance booking though.

Definitely, its a bad idea to compete a turbo prop operation against existing jet service. CEB and DVO is enough to convinced them to think twice. Its the same reason why Asian Spirit never goes out of style in Caticlan. And now Cebu Pacific is taking on Gensan. Turbo prop is reasonable on a 20 to 30 minutes flight but not more than that, unless the passengers don't really have a choice. But on these sectors passengers from Zamboanga really have a choice. I would rather think for CEB to give up jet service to Iloilo, Butuan and Cagayan but right now the ATR which will run that sector as well as other Mindanao leg is still in Toulouse.

http://images2.jetphotos.net/img/1/2/7/7/67978_1211678772.jpg

^^For other issues as well...
Cebu Pacific delivery schedule for this year includes four brand new Airbus A320 aircraft, 2 of them now flying the asian skies. CEB expects to have a fleet of 25 by yearend 2008, with 6 ATRs and 19 A320/319 aircraft. So with 2 ATR already in service, 4 more are expected within the year.

As to the landing gear issue of Dash-Q4, it was fixed already by Bombardier. A manufacturer would not be stupid sending a plane with the same problems otherwise they will end up settling lawsuits not only from airlines but passengers as well. As I was saying in the previous thread, while these Q4's are ex-SAS planes, they all underwent D-Check in Downsview Airport in Toronto, and that basically they have brand new landing gear made by Goodrich. Since it was introduced into revenue service with SAS seven years ago, all the Q400 fleet (900+ of them) has logged more than one million safe and reliable flying hours before it was delivered to PAL. If you are an aviation engineer, or just working at Lufthansa Tecknik you would agree with me that a plane that went D-check is good as a brand new plane. All pilots agree to that proposition.

As a matter of fact, The European Aviation Safety Agency reported after the investigation of numerous SAS incident that Bombardier Inc.'s Q400 turboprops are airworthy and that series of recent accidents were not caused by design flaws. Basically it boiled down to maintenance issues. The incident with PAL does not do anything with landing gear worthiness but runway maintenance. It simply got its nose wheel stuck on the shoulder of the runway which foundation soften due to liquefaction of the soil from the rains Catarman got.

http://i.aviation.com/images/071108-sasq400-02.jpg

702flyguy

August 17th, 2008, 01:32 AM

mwg12a

August 17th, 2008, 06:18 AM

I think there are really very small population of fishermen in that area. There are other source of livelihood they can teach these fishermen which is probably aren't making much money considering the higher cost of living in bigger cities like Manila comparing to provinces. Why is it really a big deal? I didn't even know that there are really good fresh fish you can really catch in Manila bay since it's poluted anyway. I seriously doubt that there are 3 million fishermen in those area. Nevermind about the gambling establishment plans for that area but that coastal road is a much needed development.

lochinvar

August 17th, 2008, 06:25 AM

Where do we get the fishes taken from Navotas Fishport?

mwg12a

August 17th, 2008, 06:28 AM

Thats why I didn't know that there are fishes there, if there is, those fishes has been exposed to contaminated water, but, that just my opinion, it doesn't mean it's a fact...

Solblanc

August 17th, 2008, 07:59 AM

^^

However, isn't the fuel bill killing 5J's profits? I know that Jet service is far more convenient, but turboprops also burn much, much less fuel than their jet counterparts. Wouldn't that fact keep PAL express alive?

habagatcentral1

August 17th, 2008, 10:49 AM

Sky Harbor

August 17th, 2008, 10:53 AM

^^ I still think it's capacity. A 737 can hold more passengers than a Q300/Q400. That or ILO and DVO are "special", but not as special as DGT whose operations were transferred to mainline PAL for the first time in 10+ years.

Chrisvenz

August 17th, 2008, 11:10 AM

Dreamtofly

August 17th, 2008, 11:17 AM

Manila International Airport Aerial View, Courtesy of jetphotos.net

http://images2.jetphotos.net/img/1/1/4/7/87656_1216584741.jpg

seven07

August 17th, 2008, 12:01 PM

i had read this morning in a newspaper that governor maliksi had signed a memorandum that will demolished all the illegal infrastructures in whole cavite shoreline, and it will start this august 26.

mygz14

August 17th, 2008, 02:10 PM

i had read this morning in a newspaper that governor maliksi had signed a memorandum that will demolished all the illegal infrastructures in whole cavite shoreline, and it will start this august 26.

Cavite task force to demolish illegal fish pens, cages

TRECE MARTIRES CITY -- Cavite Gov. Ayong Maliksi issued Executive Order No. 114 creating an inter-agency task force to dismantle beginning Aug. 26 more than 200 illegal structures for the culture of fish and other fishery products near the shores and in the coastal waters of the province.

The illegal structures have obstructed the water flow and have caused pollution in Manila Bay, Governor Maliksi said.

In 2005, Maliksi issued Executive Order No. 69 requiring all mayors to refrain from renewing or issuing permits for the construction of fish pens or cages. He was heeding the clamor of the organizations of fishermen who are adversely affected by the proliferation of illegal aquaculture operators.

"The rapid increase in the number of illegal aquaculture operators in the province is very alarming, considering that based on the survey we conducted, 70 percent of them are outsiders. Our local fishers are the ones suffering. Their catch has dwindled and no longer enough to give them sufficient income," Maliksi said.

Engineer Rolinio Pozas, head of the Provincial Environment and Natural Resources Office, said that before conducting the scheduled dismantling, his personnel conducted an intensive survey of the areas concerned and a series of consultations with the affected parties.

"After taking all the necessary legal steps, we have already informed all illegal aquaculture operators of the scheduled dismantling so that they will be prepared for it," he said. Hopefully, this would avert resistance, he also said. (Mandy Francisco)

SOURCE: Manila Bulletin (http://www.mb.com.ph/PROV20080817132768.html)

swahi

August 17th, 2008, 02:45 PM

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/Iloilo%20and%20Negros/P1100694.jpg
Cebu Pacific Air Airbus A-319

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h291/berniemacksouthcentral/Iloilo%20and%20Negros/P1100693.jpg
*Air Philippines Boeing 737-200

*They still continue to fly the ILO-CEB and vice versa route despite the creation of PAL Express. Earlier, the people of Iloilo were told about the commencement of PAL Express' operation as early as July 2008 for ILO-CEB route, having 2x per day schedule (one at morning and one at afternoon). Still, PAL Express hasn't taken over the said route from Air Philippines. I wonder why.

PAL express will not be able to compete. What would you choose to ride? A Ceb Pac airbus or a PAL express prop plane? 20 Kgs allowance or 10 kgs? That's why PAL express hasn't taken over and allowed Airphil to continue. When the additional ATR planes arrive, maybe Ceb Pac will switch to ATR for the Ceb-Ilo route... or maybe not.

bartstrife99

August 17th, 2008, 02:48 PM

I think this is the preparation for the upcoming Manila Bay Tourism Project... and for the Opening of Man-Cav Coastal Road upon completion.

sloanesquare

August 18th, 2008, 05:24 AM

Manila International Airport Aerial View, Courtesy of jetphotos.net

http://images2.jetphotos.net/img/1/1/4/7/87656_1216584741.jpg
what does a pilot see coming in for landing on this (the west side) side of the runway all the way to the water..is it still squatter or cleared land..any pics..are there lit directional arrows pointing to the runway

Fly2Bacolod

August 18th, 2008, 07:49 AM

http://i523.photobucket.com/albums/w357/fly2bacolod/pal.jpg
Bacolod-Silay Airport
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boy08

August 18th, 2008, 08:28 PM

wow nice picture of New Bacolod-Silay Airport ^^

Fly2Bacolod

August 19th, 2008, 10:20 AM

^^
Thanks!:lol:

swahi

August 19th, 2008, 12:37 PM

arianespace

August 19th, 2008, 01:44 PM

^^
Now you figure it out, what more about the others. One delay would make a domino effect. Consider one plane out of service and surely passengers will go berserk. What more if it is two.

The causes of delay as relayed to me by a pilot operating at terminal 3 are the following:
1. Passengers who wander at airport lounges when everyone else is ready for boarding or worst all except one are in the aircraft. It happens a lot. They are allowed 5 more minutes to look for the missing part of the flight manifest before officially being bumped off.

2. Air Traffic Control. When all passengers are on board the captain calls the tower that he is ready to line up and wait at runway but the control tower says hold position as the airspace are saturated at this time or they failed to depart on time that is why departure slot was given to another. It is much worst when the radar system in Tagaytay bogged down as they were required 5 minutes separation to avoid flight collision as they typically are flying blind with one another. In some cases the pilot informs its passengers why they are held that long on a tarmac. On my part, we were held almost 30 minutes on the taxiway because the plane we are riding did not leave the gate on time and the next available slot was scheduled some 20 minutes later. When that happens, instead of waiting, the aircraft stays at the gate to save fuel.

3. Aircraft condition. Most problems are associated with tires but sometimes other situations warrant the grounding of the aircraft for some time than what is expected to be done on time.

4. Weather. Well that should be top on the list.

5. Flight separation. Even if the sky is endless, planes big or small, still follows a predestined route they call airways, so if both planes are departing for Cebu almost at the same time the other need to wait so that they will not bumped each other along the way.

6. Runway. When another aircraft sits on the runway for a long time, no aircraft can land or depart. Did you know that when Qantas made an emergency landing there were about 25 aircraft circling Manila at different altitude. On busy times however arrivals need to cue also. One of my flight was circling Cavite 3 times before we were cleared for final. Yes you can see other aircraft on your window doing the same approach procedure as well. I've seen 5 of them. I'm not sure if its 319 or 320 as they look alike afar. The 330 was however too obvious trailing out flight as we took the 90 degrees turn to the left and when we landed on a 320 in Manila I was surprised why we are using the entire length from 06 to 24 and exited at Villamor Airbase when we are supposed to exit in the middle. The reason, PAL 330 flight from Davao was on our tail from approach to landing, and according to the pilot the separation was narrow at that time that's why they were advised by tower to use the entire runway as a safety precaution to have the 330 more leg room to roll on touchdown. As a matter of fact it did as it exited near Lufthansa Technik and in the end we were trailing the 330. Now that is a classic example of overtaking.

kratos1211

August 20th, 2008, 10:30 AM

I went through Ceb Pac's domestic flight schedules for their atr, and was able to trace their plane's daily schedule: ETD-ETA

Mla-Caticlan 510am-610am
Caticlan-Cebu 630am-730am
Cebu-Bacolod 8am-845am
Bacolod-Cebu 905am-945am
Cebu-Caticlan 1015am 1115am
Caticlan-Mla 1135am-1240pm
Mla-Naga 115pm-210pm
Naga-Mla 230pm-325pm
Mla-San Jose 4pm-450pm
San Jose-Mla 510pm-6pm
Mla-Laoag 620pm-745pm
Laoag-Mla 805pm-925pm

Looking at this, they really utilize their aircraft a lot, from 5am to 925pm each day. And the ground time is very small, with as little as 20 minutes. If the flights are delayed, the rest of flights will be delayed also. Good if flights are on time and nothing causes any delay.

^^Their A320 planes flies domestic in the morning and flies them international route late at night and comes back early morning. talagang sagad sagad ang gamit. They should be stringent in checking and following the maintenance schedule of the airplanes para walang delay during regular operation.

leechtat

August 20th, 2008, 11:40 AM

^^
Now you figure it out, what more about the others. One delay would make a domino effect. Consider one plane out of service and surely passengers will go berserk. What more if it is two.

The causes of delay as relayed to me by a pilot operating at terminal 3 are the following:
1. Passengers who wander at airport lounges when everyone else is ready for boarding or worst all except one are in the aircraft. It happens a lot. They are allowed 5 more minutes to look for the missing part of the flight manifest before officially being bumped off.

2. Air Traffic Control. When all passengers are on board the captain calls the tower that he is ready to line up and wait at runway but the control tower says hold position as the airspace are saturated at this time or they failed to depart on time that is why departure slot was given to another. It is much worst when the radar system in Tagaytay bogged down as they were required 5 minutes separation to avoid flight collision as they typically are flying blind with one another. In some cases the pilot informs its passengers why they are held that long on a tarmac. On my part, we were held almost 30 minutes on the taxiway because the plane we are riding did not leave the gate on time and the next available slot was scheduled some 20 minutes later. When that happens, instead of waiting, the aircraft stays at the gate to save fuel.

3. Aircraft condition. Most problems are associated with tires but sometimes other situations warrant the grounding of the aircraft for some time than what is expected to be done on time.

4. Weather. Well that should be top on the list.

5. Flight separation. Even if the sky is endless, planes big or small, still follows a predestined route they call airways, so if both planes are departing for Cebu almost at the same time the other need to wait so that they will not bumped each other along the way.

6. Runway. When another aircraft sits on the runway for a long time, no aircraft can land or depart. Did you know that when Qantas made an emergency landing there were about 25 aircraft circling Manila at different altitude. (<---- wow, galing naman) On busy times however arrivals need to cue also. One of my flight was circling Cavite 3 times before we were cleared for final. Yes you can see other aircraft on your window doing the same approach procedure as well. I've seen 5 of them. I'm not sure if its 319 or 320 as they look alike afar. The 330 was however too obvious trailing out flight as we took the 90 degrees turn to the left and when we landed on a 320 in Manila I was surprised why we are using the entire length from 06 to 24 and exited at Villamor Airbase when we are supposed to exit in the middle. The reason, PAL 330 flight from Davao was on our tail from approach to landing, and according to the pilot the separation was narrow at that time that's why they were advised by tower to use the entire runway as a safety precaution to have the 330 more leg room to roll on touchdown. As a matter of fact it did as it exited near Lufthansa Technik and in the end we were trailing the 330. Now that is a classic example of overtaking.

^^ thanks for the info. now, i can blabber out these reasons while we wait in delays. so people will know.. :)