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kiretoce

January 10th, 2009, 10:15 AM

A Horrible Airline (http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page=alvinCapino_jan9_2009)

Tourism, according to Senator Dick Gordon, has one of the bright prospects for the Philippines in the face of what appears as bleak prospects for 2009 because of the continuing international financial crisis.

However, there are many issues that the Tourism Department and other regulatory agencies would have to address for tourism, especially domestic tourism, to achieve its full potentials.

Take for example the experience of Marge S. Polintan when she and 16 other passengers took a Zest Air a.k.a. Asian Spirit flight from Boracay last Nov. 24.

The series of letters that Marge and her fellow passenger Josefina S. Cristobal has sent to Zest Air/Asian Spirit as well as to their friends is one of the hot items on the Internet next to blogs on the “Alabang Boys” and the “Valley Golf brawl.”

Their account of the poor service and unsanitary condition of the Zest Air/Asian Spirit plane is very discouraging for those who want fly the smaller airlines which, unfortunately, are the only ones serving many of the country’s airports.

Marge’s letter to Customer Relations of Zest Air said:

“We are a party of 17 [15 adults and two minors] who all took the Manila-Caticlan on Nov. 22 and returned to Manila on Nov. 24 via Kalibo-Manila when our return flight was diverted from Caticlan to Kalibo.

“We checked in, all 17 of us, at Caticlan about 4:10 p.m. only to be told that we had to motor to Kalibo as our flight was diverted. When we asked why, we were given the most stupid reasons that only a moron can accept. Your Mr. Rodel Urguelles informed us that the plane could not take off as sunset was at 5:20. (1) Our flight was supposed to leave at 5 p.m. so clearly we would have been up in the sky when sunset was supposedly setting in. (2) Another stupid reason given to us was that the Caticlan airport had no runway lights making it impossible for us to take off!!! Why in heaven’s sake do you schedule later afternoon flights knowing that the Caticlan airport is not fitted with lights [I seriously doubt if this is true]. (3) We also asked why we were not contacted to let us know that they were moving our flight earlier. They were able to contact us before we left Manila that our departure was moved to an earlier time. (4) We informed your Mr. Urguelles that we had a pregnant lady in our party and were concerned about the long trip from Caticlan to Kalibo. We were asking for a guarantee that should she suffer a miscarriage, the airline will be made answerable for it. Of course he could not give any guarantee. Having no choice we took the risk and motored to Kalibo for a good one hour. Upon reaching Kalibo, we found out that two other Zest Air flights were likewise diverted. We were made to wait some more as the planes coming from Manila were delayed. I surmised that this was the main reason why our flight were moved from Caticlan to Kalibo.

“We were finally herded to an airplane for our flight to Manila. With grumbling stomachs and exhausted from the trip from Caticlan, we had to make our way inside the airplane in total darkness. When we asked the flight attendant why there were no cabin lights, we got another STUPID response and were informed that they were conserving energy and therefore we have to grope for our seats in darkness without any airconditioning. Madilim na, mainit pa!!!!!! What would have been a one-hour flight seemed like an eternity as it took us about an hour and a half to reach Manila in darkness.

“Having undergone through all these nerve-wracking experience, what was more irritating apart from the stupidity of your staff is the fact that they did not even offer any apology for the inconvenience we were experiencing. I think that you should go back to school and take course on basics of good manners, effective management and people skills. Your staff is sorely lacking in all of these!”

Another passenger on that flight, Josefina S. Cristobal, also wrote Zest Air Customer Relations and she has an even more horrible story to tell:

“Customer Relations,

“Your airline just sucks! I am 54 years old and had the most horrible flight in my entire life in your airline! I am well traveled and never in my trips have encountered such rudeness and heard such unreasonable answers. I have told your ground staff that I am not fit to travel long trips since I have a bad back having diagnosed with slip disc and severe scoliosis, but for whatever reason, we had to take a long trip by bus to Kalibo, Aklan when what we agreed upon when we bought tickets was for your airline to shuttle us to Manila-Caticlan, Caticlan-Manila. You did not even have the decency to inform us that it is impossible to fly to Caticlan when sunset sets in. We felt so cheated and no amount of reasoning or explanation can justify this very bad act. We paid you up to the last centavo you charged us and we expected good service. But what we all got from this very tiring trip was a mere Jollibee spaghetti and bottled water. We were 17 in all and got only 16 packs.

The other thing was that when we were already inside the pitch black plane, [we had to crawl to our seats since the pilots won’t turn on the lights to conserve energy] they did not even have flashlights. We were all so dead tired from the long trip and was already getting sleepy when one of our foreigner companions shouted at the top of her voice since small cockroaches started crawling on us. Oh, it was plenty. How unsanitary could you guys get? It just clearly shows that you don’t clean your airplanes. It had this awful smell once you board the plane so no wonder there were cockroaches. Almost all of us had to grab the newspapers tucked on the seats to kill the cockroaches as much as we could. No amount of apology could justify all this harrowing experience. Rest assured that this will be the first and last flight with your airline and we will tell our friends and family about this experience with Zest Air, the lousiest airline company ever.”

One would think that after receiving these nasty letters, the management of Zest Air/Air Spirit would go out of its way to apologize and placate their angry passengers. All Marge Polintan, Josefina Cristobal and company got was a short letter from Zest Air Customer Relations which read:

“Ma'am (sic)

I apologize for the inconvenience and have noted your concerns and complaints, the old planes will be grounded and 5 new planes will be in placed (sic)."

After reading the letters there are some things that the disgruntled Zest Air passengers should understand:

Zest Air did not want to put on the lights so you would not see the cockroaches.

You should be thankful that the airline was thoughtful enough to provide newspapers in case that you see the small crawling cockroaches despite the darkness.

Why do you expect intelligent answers from what you describe as very stupid people.

Levity aside, Tourism Secretary Ace Durano should look at the operations of Zest Air/Air Spirit and see what corrective measures his department can make to correct the airlines’ abominable service.

Durano has been trying to promote Philippine tourism but stories like those from the passengers of the Nov. 24 Zest Air flight negates all his efforts.

He should remember the communications principle that the fastest way to kill a bad product is to promote it.

arianespace

January 10th, 2009, 08:37 PM

^^
I was talking to this issues in the past thread. I'm really sorry for the passengers. As I was saying before, they really messed big time. I hope they learn from that PR disaster. Even 5J is not immune from the rant but at least they made effort to appease and apologize disgruntled passengers. "I'm sorry but" is a nice word to start.

I was suggesting to one of their managers to give them a complementary flight so that they will ride again with the return fare on their own pocket. I don't know what happen after that. Perhaps they never listened to my proposal or somebody from the top shut it down. Oh well..

habagatcentral1

January 11th, 2009, 04:11 AM

Just hot:
May nag-crash daw na Zest Air sa Caticlan Airport. Dunno the details.

jameslab8470

January 11th, 2009, 04:26 AM

1 hurt as Asian Spirit plane 'undershoots' Caticlan runway
01/11/2009 | 09:51 AM

MANILA, Philippines - An Asian Spirit plane undershot on landing the Caticlan Airport runway in Aklan province Sunday morning, injuring a passenger and temporarily closing down the facility, DZBB reported.

Radio dzBB's Lito Laparan reported that according to the Air Transportation Office's Action Center, the Asian Spirit's Flight-865 "undershot" the Caticlan Airport's runway before 7 a.m. Sunday. The report, however, did not identify the injured passenger.

The Caticlan Airport will be closed for the meantime, the report added. Cebu Pacific's flights bound for the island were re-routed to Kalibo Airport. - Sophia Dedace, GMANews.TV

habagatcentral1

January 11th, 2009, 04:33 AM

^^ Thanks CJ for the report..:)

arianespace

January 11th, 2009, 05:04 AM

^^
talking about Zest

Eroplano, sumadsad sa Caticlan Airport
http://gallery.me.com/kevgod/100060/_MG_0739/web.jpg
Zest MA-60 undershot a runway after it attempted to land at Caticlan Airport

KALIBO, AKLAN - Isang MA-60 na klase ng eroplano ang sumadsad sa runway ng Caticlan Airport bandang alas-7:00 kaninang umaga habang papa-landing na sana ito .

Ayon sa salaysay ng Air Transportation Office (ATO), ang eroplanong Zest Air ay may sakay na 23 na pasahero na minamaneho ng isang nakilala lamang bilang Capt. Gado.

Sa report ng Bombo Radyo Kalibo (http://www.bomboradyo.com/newsdetails1.asp?ID=64312), ligtas lahat ang mga pasahero.

Ang eroplano ay may numerong RPC-8893 ay nagmula sa Metro Manila at papuntang Caticlan Airport .

Sa ngayon ay patuloy pang ini-imbestigahan ng ATO ang pangyayari lalo na ang pagtukoy sa sanhi ng pagsadsad nito .

Sarado din umano ngayon ang runway ng Caticlan Airport, dahilan para maapektuhan ang papalapag na eroplano.

English Version

Kalibo, Aklan (http://www.bomboradyo.com/newsdetails1.asp?ID=64312) - An MA-60 type plane skid on the runway of Caticlan Airport around 7: 00 am while attempting to land.

According to the Air Transportation Office (CAAP), the plane belonging to Zest Air (formerly Asian Spirit) and carrying 23 passengers on board was identified to be piloted by one Capt. Gado.

In the report of Bombo Radyo Kalibo, all the passengers were declared safe.

The plane with number RP-C8893 came from Metro Manila on the way to Caticlan Airport.

Investigation of the accident is currently on going, especially in determining the cause of the bad landing.

The runway of Caticlan Airport was declared close today. Pal Express and Cebu Pacific were advise to use Kalibo airport. (with reports form GMAnews)

weewit

January 11th, 2009, 09:39 AM

OMG! Not a good start of the year for Zest...

-TC-

January 11th, 2009, 11:38 AM

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/regions/view/20090111-182702/Plane-undershoots-Aklan-runway-15-hurt

Plane undershoots Aklan runway, 15 hurt
By Jerome Aning, Nestor P. Burgos Jr.
Philippine Daily Inquirer
01/11/2009

ILOILO CITY, Philippines – (UPDATE) Fifteen people were injured when a landing Zest air plane hit a wall after it undershot the runway of the Caticlan airport in Aklan province around 7 a.m., Sunday, according to initial reports of the Aklan Provincial Police Office and Air Transportation Office.

The plane was carrying 23 mostly Boracay-bound passengers from Manila. The wounded were taken to the Baptist hospital in Caticlan, said Aklan police director, Senior Supt. Clarence Guinto.

The airport in Caticlan, Aklan, one of the main gateways to the resort island of Boracay, had to be closed due to the accident.

Cebu Pacific Corp. Communications Manager RG Orense said that as of 8 a.m., a Cebu Pacific ATR aircraft was grounded in Caticlan due to the runway closure.

Many weekend visitors were scheduled to leave the island on Sunday but only one Cebu Pacific flight, an ATR aircraft, was able to leave Caticlan, Orense said in a phone interview.

"Some CEB flights to and from Caticlan will continue to operate form Kalibo airport instead. CEB will try to accommodate passengers affected by flights scheduled to use the ATR aircraft grounded in Caticlan," the airline said in its advisory.

Meanwhile, SEAIR is shifting all its nine flights on Sunday to Kalibo due to the closure of Caticlan Airport.

boom_box

January 11th, 2009, 12:06 PM

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/regions/view/20090111-182702/Plane-undershoots-Aklan-runway-15-hurt

Three injured in Zest Air plane crash in Caticlan airport

Three passengers were injured after a Zest Air (formerly Asian Spirit) plane crashed Sunday morning at the Caticlan airport.

Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines Director General Ben Ciron said that the airline's ZEST MA60 Aircraft Flight 865 undershot the Caticlan airport runway, leaving two children and one crew member injured.

"About 0657 am today, ZEST MA60 Aircraft Flight 865 undershot runway at Caticlan airport with 22 adult pax 2 children 1 staff member. No passengers suffered major injuries," Ciron said in a text message.

Reports said that strong winds caused the aircraft's landing gear to explode, hitting the barrier of the Caticlan airport at around 6:40 a.m. Sunday. After swerving 180 degrees, the plane was said to have crashed into the airport's passenger lounge.

The Caticlan runway was closed because of the incident, causing a Cebu Pacific ATR aircraft to be grounded in the Caticlan airport.

In the meantime, flights to and from Caticlan will continue to operate from Kalibo airport until further notice. RNG details from Stanley Palisada

Reports said that strong winds caused the aircraft's landing gear to explode, hitting the barrier of the Caticlan airport at around 6:40 a.m. Sunday. After swerving 180 degrees, the plane was said to have crashed into the airport's passenger lounge.

how come strong winds can explode an landing gear...?? Philippine media at its best reporting the accurate detailed news... :ohno:

-TC-

January 11th, 2009, 12:16 PM

Hmm... the URL link and the article you posted below don't match.

Anyway, latest count is 15 (not 3) injured as the article I posted before this said so.

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/regions/view/20090111-182702/Plane-undershoots-Aklan-runway-15-hurt

Three injured in Zest Air plane crash in Caticlan airport

Three passengers were injured after a Zest Air (formerly Asian Spirit) plane crashed Sunday morning at the Caticlan airport.

Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines Director General Ben Ciron said that the airline's ZEST MA60 Aircraft Flight 865 undershot the Caticlan airport runway, leaving two children and one crew member injured.

"About 0657 am today, ZEST MA60 Aircraft Flight 865 undershot runway at Caticlan airport with 22 adult pax 2 children 1 staff member. No passengers suffered major injuries," Ciron said in a text message.

Reports said that strong winds caused the aircraft's landing gear to explode, hitting the barrier of the Caticlan airport at around 6:40 a.m. Sunday. After swerving 180 degrees, the plane was said to have crashed into the airport's passenger lounge.

The Caticlan runway was closed because of the incident, causing a Cebu Pacific ATR aircraft to be grounded in the Caticlan airport.

-TC-

January 11th, 2009, 01:40 PM

Now 26...

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/regions/view/20090111-182702/Plane-undershoots-Aklan-runway-26-hurt

Plane undershoots Aklan runway, 26 hurt
By Nestor P. Burgos Jr.
Visayas Bureau
01/11/2009

ILOILO CITY, Philippines – (UPDATE 2) Twenty-six persons were injured when a Zest Air plane carrying passengers bound for Boracay Island undershot the runway as it was about to land at the Caticlan airport in Malay town, Aklan province Sunday morning.

Except for a passenger who suffered a fractured collarbone, the passengers and a few airport personnel suffered only minor injuries. But the incident forced the closure of the airport for more than five hours.

One passenger, Rowena Versoza, 40, suffered broken bones and a cut to the head. She was taken for treatment at the Aklan Baptist Hospital in Caticlan along with the other injured, said Inspector Lory Tarazona, police chief of Malay town, said in a phone interview.

Three of the injured were airport personnel who were hit by debris when the plane crashed against the concrete perimeter fence.

The plane left Manila around 6:10 a.m., carrying 22 passengers including two children bound for Boracay and with three crewmembers.

The passengers included two Korean and two German tourists.

The 72-seater RPC 8993 plane piloted by Captain Vicente Gazo undershot Runway 06 when it landed at 6:58 a.m., Tarazona said, quoting from a report of the Air Transportation Office (ATO) in Caticlan.

The plane swerved sharply to the left when it touched the runway after the initial impact and hit a concrete barrier seriously damaging its nose. The plane's landing gears and propellers also suffered major damage.

Police and airport personnel who responded to the accident evacuated the passengers and crew to the hospital.

Except for Versoza, the injured passengers suffered cuts and bruises and were immediately released after they were treated, Tarazona said.

The airport was closed to all incoming and outgoing flights because the plane blocked the 30-meter wide and 950-meter long tarmac.

All incoming flights were diverted to the airport at the capital town of Kalibo until the Caticlan airport was re-opened at around 12:30 p.m. Sunday.

The airline company said its safety officer had been coordinating with the ATO to investigate the cause of the accident.

"It's an unfortunate incident and we are relieved that there is no fatality. We will wait for the result of the investigation," said Zest Air director Arturo Alejandrino, in a phone interview with the Philippine Daily Inquirer (parent company of INQUIRER.net).

The company offered to shoulder all medical expenses and all necessary assistance to the passengers and crew, including the transfer of Versoza to a hospital in Manila.

Four of the passengers opted to return to Manila but most of the others proceeded to Boracay, said Alejandrino.

The airport in Caticlan, the jump-off point to Boracay, is one of the busiest in the country. It averaged 18 incoming and 18 outgoing flights daily, servicing around 1,200 passengers in 2008 but the volume nearly doubled during Boracay's peak season starting October until summer.

The safety of the airport has been a concern because of the volume of traffic relative to the size of the runway and because airlines have been operating bigger planes in their Caticlan routes. The airport is flanked by a hill on one side and one end of the runway is near the sea.

Alan Java, chief of the Aerodome Development and Management Service division of ATO and the former Western Visayas area manager of the agency, said there was a recommendation to extend the runway and to level the hill to maximize the runway area.

swahi

January 11th, 2009, 04:56 PM

sus, start up airline and it ends up undershooting the runway. Not the kind of publicity they were looking for.

If ever that plan of levelling the hill will push through, they can use the earth material and backfill the other end of the runway by the sea.

"ZukiChirO"

January 11th, 2009, 05:01 PM

arianespace

January 11th, 2009, 07:48 PM

Two hurt as plane makes hard landing
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3323/3188525040_8dab641f50.jpg?v=0
Zest Air MA-60 at Caticlan crash site

MALAY, AKLAN — A small passenger plane serving the resort island of Boracay missed the runway on landing yesterday, leaving at least two passengers seriously injured, officials said.

Hospitals in the town of Malay and nearby Kalibo city treated the Zest Airways plane’s 24 passengers and five crew for various injuries after the plane made the hard landing and smashed into a concrete wall.

Two of the passengers had sustained serious fractures and cuts, officials in Malay said. The rest were treated for minor injuries and discharged.

The nationalities of those seriously injured could not be immediately determined.

The Chinese-made MA60 turboprop was flying in holidaymakers from Manila on their way to Boracay, airport officials said.

The cause of the crash, which caused the closure of the airport, the country’s second busiest after Manila, was not immediately known.

A Canadian passenger who asked not to be named told AFP the pilot appeared to have misjudged the landing due to heavy winds.

The plane landed on the grass, well short of the runway. Its left wing ploughed into a ditch, preventing the plane from hitting the airport terminal, witnesses said.

The plane instead smashed into an airport wall, narrowly missing the airport restaurant, an AFP photographer on the scene said.

"The wind was just too strong, especially during this time of the year," said Alfred M. Yao, chairman of Zest Airways.

"But everything is fine. Most of the passengers suffered only slight injuries," he said.

Mr. Yao, who also owns juice maker Zest-O Corp., said the airline would shoulder the injured passengers’ hospital expenses. "We’ll also attend to the passengers personally," he said.

Meanwhile, Avelino L. Zapanta, president and chief executive officer of South East Asian Airlines (SEAIR), another frequent service provider to the island resort, said in a statement: "The aircraft that had an accident in Caticlan [Boracay] is Zest Airways. SEAIR is shifting all its nine flights to Kalibo today due to the closure of Caticlan." AFP (http://www.bworldonline.com/BW011209/content.php?src=3&id=074)

mwg12a

January 11th, 2009, 11:40 PM

Two hurt as plane makes hard landing
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3323/3188525040_8dab641f50.jpg?v=0
Zest Air MA-60 at Caticlan crash site

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This plane looks like it's heavily damanged. Good thing nobody died. It can happen anywhere when it comes to nature, modern aircraft or any modern equipments has no match when dealing with the nature..

Not a good thing for Zest airlines though, it would hurt their business somehow until maybe a couple of years later that they keep on giving good services to their clients.

benchjade

January 12th, 2009, 05:03 AM

nagpalit pa ng name then nangyari ito. dapat magpalit ulit sila ng name.

quannar

January 12th, 2009, 06:24 AM

anu ba yung parang ang gulo kung ilan talaga yung nasaktan...may 15, 3, 26 anu ba talaga....hehehehehe

kabago-bago na plane nasira kaagad....ilang months lang kaya yan? and have you noticed tinanggal yung ZA na logo sa tail ng Zest Air...Bakit kaya????

sonnyville

January 12th, 2009, 06:51 AM

sa awa ng dios wala naman namatay. could've been a lot terrible. not so good for zest air. kasi pilit na "zest air" pa. kala ko nung una pabango o sabon. pearl orient philippines would be a nice name. ;)

boom_box

January 12th, 2009, 07:28 AM

OT:
The company Logo and its URL text in the engine was wipe off...
I guess its an SOP for an airline to protect their name..
http://gallery.me.com/kevgod/100060/_MG_0739/web.jpg

habagatcentral1

January 12th, 2009, 07:35 AM

^^ Made in China. :D

Anyway, at least there were no casualties...

boom_box

January 12th, 2009, 07:56 AM

parang naging torn tetrapak yung ang plane... Zest juice...

weewit

January 12th, 2009, 09:11 AM

OT:
The company Logo and its URL text in the engine was wipe off...
I guess its an SOP for an airline to protect their name..
http://gallery.me.com/kevgod/100060/_MG_0739/web.jpg

The plane company usually cover their name in crashes or accidents, specially if they find the plane useless. this also happened with PAL when their a320 plane crashed in Cotobato ba yun? refreshing no more...!!

Arciga_01

January 12th, 2009, 10:15 AM

Ano ba yan, napaka sobrang sama naman ng pasok ng 2009 para sa Zest Air.

buenos-Diaz

January 12th, 2009, 10:17 AM

ianers_ianized

January 12th, 2009, 11:45 AM

Cebu Pacific flies to Catarman, Calbayog,
Virac, and Cauayan

Cebu Pacific (CEB) is set to take delivery of its seventh brand-new ATR 72-500 aircraft which it will use to fly to Catarman and Calbayog in Samar, Virac in Catanduanes, and Cauayan, Isabela starting next month.

CEB will also mount additional flights for Manila-Naga from daily to 10 times weekly starting on February 14 and Manila-Busuanga from daily to 11 times weekly starting on February 15.

The new service to Catarman, Samar and Virac, Catanduanes will start on February 14; flights to Calbayog, Samar and Cauayan, Isabela will start on February 18.

Candice Iyog, CEB VP for marketing and distribution, said “We are expanding our Manila hub operations with the arrival of our brand new ATR and will make more areas accessible through our low fares and new planes.”

To mark the announcement of these additional services, CEB is offering a promotional P500 all-in ‘Go Lite’ seat sale for flights from Manila to Busuanga, Calbayog, Catarman, Cauayan, Naga and Virac. The airline has also included select Cebu hub flights to Cotabato, Dumaguete, Iloilo, Legaspi, Ozamiz, Siargao and Tacloban in the promotion.

CEB also announced a zero fare seat sale for its Manila-Osaka service. This is exclusive of applicable surcharges and government taxes.

The seat sale will run from January 9 to 14, 2009 and is good for travel from February 1, or the start date of respective flights, to March 31, 2009.

CEB will fly Manila-Catarman and Manila-Virac every Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday and Sunday; Manila-Calbayog and Manila-Cauayan on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays.

For flight schedules and bookings, passengers may log on to www.cebupacificair.com , call the reservations hotline (632) 70-20-888; or visit their nearest travel agent.

Now in its 13th year, CEB has the youngest aircraft fleet in the Philippines. It flies to 15 international cities and 27, soon to be 32 domestic destinations with the addition of Siargao, Catarman, Calbayog, Virac (Catanduanes), and Cauayan (Isabela) in the coming weeks.

Wow secondary destinations nman tlgang head to head fight ang gusto ng 5J w/ PAL/PAL express... i think lamang lng is daily or more frequency ang PR than 5J.

Air talks set with Mideast and Europe
Business Mirror

Written by Lenie Lectura (http://businessmirror.com.ph/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=4210:air-talks-set-with-mideast-europe&catid=23:topnews&Itemid=58)

THE Philippine air panel is arranging a number of meetings with representatives of various countries, mostly in the Middle East and Europe, within the year in the hope of sealing more air agreements.

First on the list is Qatar. The air panels from both countries are scheduled to meet on January 14 and 15 at the Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB) office.

“Of course, we would want more agreements signed this year. Most [ASAs] are only amended but we also have plans to seal new agreements, particularly with Turkey, Libya and Peru this year,” added Porciuncula.

In 2007, the country’s air panel clinched agreements with Russia, Japan, Hong Kong, Thailand, Macau, Canada, Finland, Cambodia, Iran and the Netherlands.

Peru? Wow... meron kyang market kc mostly mga mayayaman lng na ng totour ang pumupunta ng South America - which I think an underrated place to explore from our country... Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Peru, Colombia and Venezuela are all exciting countries to visit!

I think maraming Pinoy community sa Chile sa South America continent (correct me if I'm wrong)

Arciga_01

January 12th, 2009, 12:08 PM

Wag nyo naman siraan ang mga Chinese, the crash was caused by Pilot error. :naughty:

kiretoce

January 12th, 2009, 01:22 PM

medviation

January 12th, 2009, 01:48 PM

Sayang naman yung eroplano na yun. Bago pa naman yun.

"ZukiChirO"

January 12th, 2009, 02:10 PM

Sayang naman yung eroplano na yun. Bago pa naman yun.

yeah..NEW PLANE, NEW NAME and NEW PROBLEM:ohno::ohno::ohno:

seven13

January 12th, 2009, 03:06 PM

At least Zest Air na ang name, isipin niyo na lang kung Asian Spirit pa rin ang name. Baka wala ng sumakay diyan

Chrisvenz

January 12th, 2009, 03:18 PM

OT:
The company Logo and its URL text in the engine was wipe off...
I guess its an SOP for an airline to protect their name..
http://gallery.me.com/kevgod/100060/_MG_0739/web.jpg

:ohno: made in china. wawa naman ng Zest Air. Parang sinisip ung juice tapos tinapon na lang.:ohno::lol:

reg villa

January 12th, 2009, 06:45 PM

Just weeks before this happened... Sayang na plane.. I will still fly Zestair to Boracay :-)

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sonnyville

January 12th, 2009, 07:22 PM

OT: Hey NYC people! Which is a better airport in terms of ease and convenience and is passenger-friendly; La Guardia or JFK? Planning a trip up there soon and I'm trying to decide which airport is a better arrival and departure point.

both are terrible airports, pero kung ako, i would go with la guardia, because it's a lot easier to get by. jfk is a very large airport and not really user friendly. you can get lost easily. unless flying internationally, there is no reason to fly to JFK unless you are further out in long island or queens. mas madali sa la guardia, easier to get to manhattan-mga 10 minutes more or less, and most parts of brooklyn. di chaotic katulad sa jfk. by the way, newark is also another option you have. about same distance din from the city as jfk and la guardia. may train din right from newark airport into the city at may bus din that's convenient so long as it's not rush hour.

kiretoce

January 13th, 2009, 04:59 AM

^^ Thanks! :okay: I've also asked around and majority did say LGA is better than JFK. EWR is a little too far though from where I'd be staying. :colgate:

invhictus

January 13th, 2009, 08:02 AM

CEB increases domestic frequencies by 17%;
Adds flights to 11 Manila-hub services

Cebu Pacific (CEB), the Philippines' leading domestic airline, will mount additional frequencies to 11 of its domestic routes despite the weak economic forecast for the country.

By March this year, just in time for summer, the airline will increase its frequency from Manila to:

· Bacolod, to four times daily;
· Butuan, to twice daily;
· Cagayan de Oro, to five times daily;
· Caticlan, to 10 times daily;
· Cebu, to 11 times daily;
· Davao, to six times daily;
· Iloilo, to 31 times weekly;
· GenSan, to 10 times weekly;
· Legaspi, to thrice daily;
· Tagbilaran, to thrice daily; and
· Zamboanga, to twice daily.

This brings CEB's weekly domestic flights from 1,074 to 1,252.

Candice Iyog, CEB VP for marketing and distribution, said that the airline is expecting three more aircraft this January and February. "These brand new aircraft -- two Airbus and one ATR-72 500 -- will be utilized to expand our growing domestic network."

Iyog added, "In spite of the economic downturn, we remain optimistic that we will be able to continue stimulating domestic travel because of the value proposition CEB offers to the traveling public."

CEB carried a record breaking 683,204 passengers in December 2008, the highest in the airline's history. Prior to this, CEB carried the most number of passengers in May 2008 at 630,924.

CEB has also positioned itself as a viable transport alternative to buses and ferries.

"Aside from additional frequencies, Cebu Pacific will continue to offer its trademark low fares and new aircraft to its passengers," Iyog added.

CEB currently services the most number of domestic routes, among all local carriers. Its additional aircraft will increase its fleet to 21 Airbus and seven ATR-72 500.

pi_malejana

January 13th, 2009, 08:22 AM

^^ Thanks! :okay: I've also asked around and majority did say LGA is better than JFK. EWR is a little too far though from where I'd be staying. :colgate:

ot: para sa'n ang trip mo dito..??:D

mygz14

January 13th, 2009, 08:37 AM

Is Gimco Sangley Point Special Economic Zone different from this project? I just read it from Cavite's Provincial Site as one of the proposed Economic Zones.

kiretoce

January 13th, 2009, 08:44 AM

^^ Why you asking? Care to meet up? ;)

pi_malejana

January 13th, 2009, 08:51 AM

^^ it's probably not gonna happen...:lol: too busy... enjoy!!!

kiretoce

January 13th, 2009, 08:55 AM

^^ In case you change your mind, I know how to get a hold of you. ;)

pi_malejana

January 13th, 2009, 08:58 AM

^^ you have my number?? hmmm...:D

let's see...
2nd semester is about a week away.. but i still don't know my schedule..:lol:

kiretoce

January 13th, 2009, 09:05 AM

^^ Check your PM. :colgate:

IsaganiZenze

January 13th, 2009, 09:26 AM

taken by melovillareal (http://www.flickr.com/photos/melovillareal/)

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benchjade

January 13th, 2009, 09:51 AM

from my thread at Samahan

Narita International Airport Dec. 21, 2008
Narita International Airport (成田国際空港, Narita Kokusai Kūkō?) (IATA: NRT, ICAO: RJAA) is an international airport located in Narita, Chiba, Japan, in the eastern portion of the Greater Tokyo Area. It is located 60 kilometers from downtown Tokyo. (See Tokyo International Airport (東京国際空港, Tōkyō Kokusai Kūkō?, IATA: HND) for the primary domestic airport in Ōta, Tokyo).

Narita handles the majority of international passenger traffic to and from Japan, and is also a major connecting point for air traffic between Asia and the Americas. The airport handled 35,478,146 passengers in 2007. It is the second-busiest passenger airport in Japan, busiest air freight hub in Japan, and seventh-busiest air freight hub in the world. It serves as the main international hub of Japan Airlines and All Nippon Airways. It also serves as a hub for Northwest Airlines. Under Japanese law, it is classified as a first class airport.

The airport was known as New Tokyo International Airport (新東京国際空港 Shin-Tōkyō Kokusai Kūkō) until 2004. Tokyo is the source of much of Narita Airport's traffic.

Narita was known as "Tokyo Narita" even before it was officially renamed to differentiate it from the original Tokyo International, which is also known as "Tokyo Haneda", after its original name, Haneda Airfield.

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benchjade

January 13th, 2009, 09:52 AM

Taiwan Taoyuan International Airport
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January 13th, 2009, 09:53 AM

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January 13th, 2009, 09:54 AM

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January 13th, 2009, 09:54 AM

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January 13th, 2009, 09:55 AM

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romantic_guy08

January 13th, 2009, 12:04 PM

Shinjuku Station kaba sumakay ng Narita Express? If I recall correctly 3,000 yen ata from Shinjuku to Narita via NEX...nung pauwi Pinas I took Chuo Tokai to Shinjuku from Mitaka tapos transfer na ng NEX..:)

AmbutLang

January 13th, 2009, 05:06 PM

OT: Hey NYC people! Which is a better airport in terms of ease and convenience and is passenger-friendly; La Guardia or JFK? Planning a trip up there soon and I'm trying to decide which airport is a better arrival and departure point.

La Guardia Airport is easier and more convenient than JFK. If you are not in a hurry and be on the cheap like me, take the bus just outside the terminal Q33 bus to last stop Roosevelt Ave. Station, for E, F, R, V & 7 trains. It will be 10 - 15 min. ride. $2 fare in quarters no bills for the bus and asked for tranfer. He/she will give you a magnetic cardboard card good for one time use to the train turnstile swipe or another bus.
If you take a taxi take the ones that is on line with a dispatcher because it is an official stand with card instruction and number of the taxi just in case if you have any complain. Ask for reciept from the driver if you like. Have a nice trip.

http://mta.info/nyct/service/index.html This is the MTA mass transit site.

Juan Pilgrim

January 13th, 2009, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by KIMBRO.
OT: Hey NYC people! Which is a better airport in terms of ease and
convenience and is passenger-friendly; La Guardia or JFK?
Planning a trip up there soon and I'm trying to decide which airport
is a better arrival and departure point.

I am of a different opinion:
I would rather depart and arrive at JFK Airport all the time if possible.

I find it more organized, has more parking space (long term/ short term)
and more accessible to Metro Transport since the AirTrain JFK became operational.
http://www.jfk-airport.net/files/Images/JFK-airport-AirTrain-map.jpg
AirTrain JFK IS the train service that operates between JFK International Airport,
Long Island Rail Road trains and New York City Subway.
It also serves as an on-airport service connecting the airline terminals,
rental car facilities, hotel shuttles, and airport parking lots.

Air Train JFK has 3 routes:

Howard Beach route
The Howard Beach route ends at the Howard Beach-JFK subway station.
It stops at Lefferts Boulevard (connecting transit services - B15 bus)
for shuttle buses to long term parking lots A and B and to airport employee parking.

Connecting transit services: A subway train, Q11 bus

Jamaica Station route
The Jamaica route ends at Jamaica Station on the Long Island Rail Road (LIRR)
next to the Sutphin Boulevard/Archer Avenue-JFK subway station
(to Brooklyn and Manhattan or Queens).

Connecting transit services: E, J and Z subway trains, Q6, Q8, Q9, Q20A, Q20
B, Q25/Q34, Q30, Q31, Q40, Q43, Q44, Q60 and Q65 buses

Both routes make a counterclockwise loop through the airport and stop at each terminal.

Airline Terminal route
The Airline Terminal route connects 6 terminal stations (Terminal 1, 2-3, 4, 5-6, 7 and 8-9).
Route operates in the opposite direction, making a clockwise loop.

All JFK AirTrain stations are wheelchair accessible. Howard Beach subway and
Jamaica Long Island Railroad stations are wheelchair accessible too.

JFK AirTrain Fare Information

Fare of 5$ at Howard Beach or Jamaica Station
Rides between all other JFK AirTrain stations are free

:horse:

benchjade

January 14th, 2009, 02:40 AM

AmbutLang

January 14th, 2009, 05:01 AM

I am of a different opinion:
I would rather depart and arrive at JFK Airport all the time if possible.

I find it more organized, has more parking space (long term/ short term)
and more accessible to Metro Transport since the AirTrain JFK became operational.
http://www.jfk-airport.net/files/Images/JFK-airport-AirTrain-map.jpg

:horse:

I like your presentation bai. I am only 20 minutes drive from La Guardia while JFK is 40 minutes drive from Greenpoint.

There is one more transport bai, The TLC limousine taxi which passenger make a fare deal to their destination before you board those black Lincoln Towncars. I used these sometimes than the yellow cabs.

bOrN2BwILd

January 14th, 2009, 05:16 AM

sa yokohama ako sumakay. tagadun kasi ako.
does it stop in kinshicho?kasi i know it passes through kinshicho but havent tried it yet...mostly airport limousine sinasakyan ko...

benchjade

January 14th, 2009, 06:54 AM

does it stop in kinshicho?kasi i know it passes through kinshicho but havent tried it yet...mostly airport limousine sinasakyan ko...

chiba-tokyo-shinagawa-yokohama

kiretoce

January 14th, 2009, 07:08 AM

La Guardia Airport is easier and more convenient than JFK. If you are not in a hurry and be on the cheap like me, take the bus just outside the terminal Q33 bus to last stop Roosevelt Ave. Station, for E, F, R, V & 7 trains. It will be 10 - 15 min. ride. $2 fare in quarters no bills for the bus and asked for tranfer. He/she will give you a magnetic cardboard card good for one time use to the train turnstile swipe or another bus.

If you take a taxi take the ones that is on line with a dispatcher because it is an official stand with card instruction and number of the taxi just in case if you have any complain. Ask for reciept from the driver if you like.

Have a nice trip.

http://mta.info/nyct/service/index.html This is the MTA mass transit site.
I am of a different opinion:
I would rather depart and arrive at JFK Airport all the time if possible.

I find it more organized, has more parking space (long term/ short term)
and more accessible to Metro Transport since the AirTrain JFK became operational.
http://www.jfk-airport.net/files/Images/JFK-airport-AirTrain-map.jpg

:horse:

Thank you both for your insights. I already booked my ticked to LGA, it's the closest airport to my hotel. I'll be in NYC about four weeks from now. :colgate:

ianers_ianized

January 14th, 2009, 01:22 PM

Wow! pero I think ma indentified ang carabao sa atin kesa sa Taiwan... pgfully furnished na ang T3 malaking statue ng Philippine Eagle or mga tarsiers ang ilaban ntn...

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"ZukiChirO"

January 14th, 2009, 03:23 PM

International passenger volume rises amid higher flying costs
01/07/2009 | 07:41 PM

MANILA, Philippines - International passenger volume in the Philippines rose from January to September 2008 despite the higher cost of flying, the Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB) said.

Data from the air travel regulator showed that international passenger traffic stood at 9.17 million from January to September, 8.56 percent higher than the number of passengers who flew to and from international destinations in the same months of 2007.

Inbound international passengers stood at 4.37 million as of September 2008, 19.75 percent higher than the incoming traffic as of the same month in 2007.

Outbound passengers rose at a slower pace of 6.92 percent with the 4.79 million passengers leaving the country for international destinations as of September 2008.

Lucio Tan's Philippine Airlines carried the most number of international passengers at 2.74 million as of end-September 2008. The Gokongweis' Cebu Pacific served a little over one million international passengers.

Top international airlines which served the Philippines as of end-September 2008 included Cathay Pacific with 1,067,270; Singapore Airlines, 415,828; Northwest Airlines, 383,104; Emirates Air, 321,191; Korean Air, 314,808; and Japan Airlines, 312,670.

The CAB said 43 international airlines are authorized to serve the Philippines market but only 35 carriers operated from January to September 2008.

Lufthansa Airlines was the last international carrier to cease operations in the Philippines in April 2008. Other carriers which no longer serve the Philippines despite their existing authority include Vietnam Airlines, Air Nauru, British Airways, SwissAir, EgyptAir, and P.T. Bouraq.

The CAB is still collating the full-year figure for 2008 but CAB deputy executive director Porvenir P. Porciuncula said the growth rate may have reached only ten percent. The country registered an 18 percent growth in international passenger volume in 2007.

Porciuncula said an even slower growth in international passenger traffic is expected along with a more adverse economic environment in 2009.

"With what is happening in the United States and Middle East, we may expect that there will be a slowdown in terms of traffic growth," Porciuncula said. - GMANews.TV

jefflacs

January 14th, 2009, 05:30 PM

Wow! pero I think ma indentified ang carabao sa atin kesa sa Taiwan... pgfully furnished na ang T3 malaking statue ng Philippine Eagle or mga tarsiers ang ilaban ntn...

Kala ko nga ito yung mga pinaint na carabao sa promo ng Inquirer dati para sa 20th year Anniversary nila :bash:

raffy_east

January 14th, 2009, 05:52 PM

RP and Qatar hike flights to serve more OFWs

MANILA, Philippines - Manila and Doha agreed to add three more flights on the route serving both cities, bringing the total to eight trips weekly.

Filipino and Qatari air panels agreed to increase flight frequency between both destinations to serve the increasing number of Filipino employees working in the Middle Eastern nation, the Philippines’ Civil Aeronautics Board said.

An estimated 150,000 Filipinos are employed in Qatar last year.

The pact was signed Wednesday night during the first day of a two-day air service negotiation. It was the Philippines’ first bilateral air service agreement signed this year.

The same agreement covered the flight frequency hike for the Doha-Cebu route which rose to 14 weekly trips from three.

Similarly, the Doha-Clark service was also increased to 14 from the previous three flights on a seven-day period.

The Philippine air panel is set to meet with its counterparts from the United Arab of Emirates (UAE) on January 28 and 29, CAB deputy director Porvenir Porciuncula said.

“After that we are looking at meeting with Kuwait and Brunei," the CAB official said. He added that air service talks this year will mostly involve “countries that were not part of last year’s discussions."

The country’s air panel clinched agreements with Russia, Japan, Hong Kong, Thailand, Macau, Canada, Finland, Cambodia, Iran and Netherlands in 2007. - GMANews.TV

kiretoce

January 15th, 2009, 05:18 AM

^^ At least they're not hiking fares. :okay:

bOrN2BwILd

January 15th, 2009, 06:35 AM

chiba-tokyo-shinagawa-yokohama

^^hmm so i have to start sa tokyo station pala...
but i think its very convenient noh..sige thanx...:)

romantic_guy08

January 15th, 2009, 01:20 PM

does it stop in kinshicho?kasi i know it passes through kinshicho but havent tried it yet...mostly ai<textarea name="message" id="vB_Editor_001_textarea" rows="10" cols="60" style="display:block; width:540px; height:250px" tabindex="1" dir="ltr">[QUOTE=bOrN2BwILd;30710826]does it stop in kinshicho?kasi i know it passes through kinshicho but havent tried it yet...mostly airport limousine sinasakyan ko...

As far as I can remember hindi tumitigil sa Kinshicho ang NEX...if sa Kinshicho ka manggagaling you have to take the long ride...you can take the Sobu Line back to Funabashi tapos transfer ka ng Keisei Funabashi Line na limited express...use this site very useful detailed transfers pa http://www.jorudan.co.jp/english/norikae/

romantic_guy08

January 15th, 2009, 01:27 PM

sa yokohama ako sumakay. tagadun kasi ako.

Ay tama kasi from Mitaka - Shinjuku - Tokyo - then it passes at Yokohama pa ata...

I really like Yokohama...dun kami always sa Chinatown...then dun sa may Pier..tapos Ferris Wheel and arcade, once took the roller coaster there ng winter..heheeh...binibisita ko mga kaiban ko sa Ferris U....hehehe

boom_box

January 15th, 2009, 03:51 PM

teka lang guys... bat nagiging train na yung na discussion..? hehe

anyway, kelan kaya babalik yung PAL Express dito sa Iligan...

"ZukiChirO"

January 15th, 2009, 03:57 PM

SEAIR to offer low-cost int'l flights from Clark
01/13/2009 | 04:40 AM
MANILA, Philippines - Local carrier South East Asian Airlines (SEAIR) will launch a budget brand in April that will compete for regional passengers with airlines flying out of the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport in Clark, Pampanga.

The airline will use its two new 180-seater Airbus A320 aircraft, which it had leased from Singaporean budget carrier Tiger Airways, to fly to new international destinations, SEAIR President Avelino L. Zapanta said Monday.

"That’s the future. If you read the prognosis of the industry, air travel in this part of the world is still sheltered from the economic slowdown," he said in an interview.

In August, the company received regulatory approval to rent the two new aircraft, originally scheduled for delivery in February last year. But opposition from SEAIR rivals had before the Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB) delayed the approval.

The rival airlines earlier claimed SEAIR was fronting for the Singaporean budget airline.

Mr. Zapanta said SEAIR’s low-cost brand would compete with other budget carriers operating from the Clark terminal.

These include Gokongwei-owned Cebu Pacific and Zest Airways, formerly Asian Spirit.

SEAIR is planning to fly from Clark to Bangkok, Singapore, Hong Kong and Macau. It also plans to fly locally to Cebu and Davao from Clark.

"Actually, it’s a commercial decision. [Airlines] need to be creative in the face of challenges in the market... You have to be flexible to survive," CAB Executive Director Carmelo L. Arcilla said in an interview Monday. "They have to reinvent themselves," he added.

He welcomed SEAIR’s eventual shift to offering lower prices, saying it would be good for the market.

Mr. Zapanta said the airline would seek to become the first "real" budget carrier in the country. "In truth, there aren’t really any local low-cost carriers in the country, as some airlines claim to be," he said.

Examples of low-cost carriers in the region include Malaysia’s Air Asia and Thailand’s Thai Airways. Both airlines, Mr. Zapanta said, operate only from secondary terminals, do not carry cargo and do not offer interline services where a passenger can have a connecting flight on a different airline.

In-flight frills such as food are also not supposed to be offered for free in budget carriers.

But the CAB’s Mr. Arcilla said it would be difficult to judge other airlines about their claim to be low-cost carriers.

"It’s not easy to judge a carrier because the model itself is evolving," he pointed out.

"What we described as budget carriers Monday could have evolved into an entirely different animal altogether today, he said.

He added that an airline might be considered a budget carrier, even if it does not fit the classic definition of low-cost carriers.

SEAIR considers itself a "leisure" carrier because its main destinations are tourist spots.

Local SEAIR destinations include Boracay Island via Caticlan, and Busuanga, El Nido and Puerto Princesa in Palawan. But it is also the only airline that flies to Tawi-Tawi and Jolo in Mindanao.

Based on CAB data, international traffic in the country grew by 8.57% to 9.16 million in January to September from 8.43 million a year earlier.

AmbutLang

January 15th, 2009, 11:42 PM

US Airways Airbus A320 made an emergency crash landed in NYC Hudson River near the USS Intrepid aircraft carrier museum an hour ago. About all the 145 passengers and 5 crews were saved. The pilot was the last person that walk out on the plane wing. Water tempt 7C and air temp. -8C. Water taxis and circle lines were in the scene in about 8 minutes.

pi_malejana

January 16th, 2009, 02:13 AM

^^ i saw that on tv... they said the plane hit a flock of birds which disabled its two engines minutes after takeoff from LGA.... good thing no casualties reported...

johnmizer

January 16th, 2009, 04:23 AM

bustero

January 16th, 2009, 05:31 AM

new flights developing, hopefully this should help lower some flight cost

looks like narrowbodies though, but at least 5th freedom for clark,

Vol. XXII, No. 118
Friday, January 16, 2009 | MANILA, PHILIPPINES
The Economy
Philippines, Qatar sign air pact; Clark to have the most flights

THE PHILIPPINES and Qatar have signed a new agreement to increase the number of flights between them.

The new agreement, which was signed yesterday at the end of two-day talks, is expected to benefit Filipino migrant workers in the Middle East.

"The negotiations were very harmonious. We already had a deal after the first day. The second day was just for formalities," Alexander S. Cauguiran, a member of the local air panel, said in a phone interview yesterday.

The new deal, which is part of the administration’s directive to open up the local aviation industry, is the first new air agreement this year.

The Philippine air panel had closed several deals with other countries last year. These include Finland, Italy, Japan, Kuwait, Malaysia and the Netherlands.

This latest agreement provides for 14 round-trip flights each week by a 150-seater plane between Cebu City and Doha, Qatar.

The same number of flights will ply the route between Clark Freeport and the Qatari capital.

Priming Clark Freeport

Clark was the only Philippine point that was given fifth freedom rights, wherein a local airline may pick up passengers from Qatar, before flying to another destination in a third country.

Manila, the country’s busiest airport, was given the least, with only eight round-trip flights a week.

Both Cebu and Manila were given only third and fourth air freedom rights, meaning an airline from the partner countries are allowed to ferry passengers only between each other.

Previous entitlements between the Philippines and Qatar consisted of three flights from Clark Freeport and five flights from Manila.

Mr. Cauguiran, who is also the executive vice-president and chief operating officer of Clark International Airport Corp., said the new deal would be good for the former US airbase, which is being primed as the next premiere international gateway in the Philippines.

"It means a lot for Clark. Most of the country’s overseas Filipino workers in the Middle East come from Northern and Central Luzon," which is the terminal’s target market, he said.

Currently, no local airline has a regular service to the Middle East.

Flag carrier Philippine Airlines (PAL), which pulled out all of its flights to the Middle East in 2005 after decades of serving the region at a loss, said flights to Qatar are not part of the company’s plans yet.

Stiff competition

"[Flights there] are not on our radar yet," said a PAL official, who requested anonymity.

He said while the Middle East may sound like a natural market for the Lucio Tan-led carrier, given the number of Filipinos in the region, stiff competition from State-run Middle Eastern carriers has led to an oversupply of seats.

Middle Eastern carriers, which are able to offer lower fares because of their access to cheaper fuel, he said, currently dominate the market.

Middle Eastern airlines that operate in the Philippines include Emirates Airlines, Gulf Air, Etihad Airways and Qatar Airways — all of which owned by their governments and are flag carriers of their respective countries.

Civil Aeronautics Board data showed that international air traffic in the Philippines increased by 8.6% to 9.156 million passengers in the nine months to September last year from 8.4 million a year earlier.

The regulator is yet to release its full-year report for 2008.

A recent survey by the International Air Transport Association showed that 80% of Asian carriers expect to post lower profits in 2009 from last year. This was the most bearish outlook among the regions, with only half of American and European carriers sharing Asian airlines’ view.

Middle Eastern carriers, meanwhile, were the most confident, with two-thirds expecting better profits in 2009.

Meanwhile, budget carrier Cebu Pacific announced yesterday that it would run a "zero fare" seat sale from today to January 22 for its international routes from Clark, Cebu, Manila and Davao operational hubs, for travel between Feb. 1 to March 31.

The airline said it has allocated more than 70,000 seats for its international seat sale which includes flights to Bangkok, Guangzhou, Ho Chi Minh, Hong Kong, Jakarta, Kaohsiung, Kota Kinabalu, Kuala Lumpur, Macau, Shanghai, Singapore and Taipei.

Under the sale, only applicable surcharges and government taxes will be charged. — Paolo Luis G. Montecillo

http://bworld.com.ph/BW011609/content.php?id=051

boom_box

January 16th, 2009, 05:59 AM

^i saw sa mga sci channels, kaya naman gawing bird shakes ang mga birds na napsok sa makina, wihout afeting the engine afterall. frozen chickens were fired at the engines, pero nothing happend. so, if the birds were as big as pteranodons (highly doubt it) dapat makakalipad pa rin yun. conspiracy theory?
p.s. poor birds, death by grinder

nope... jet engines running at high speed is too light that even slicing a soft body can damage its blades... not only in the front blades but also the turbines inside which can cause catastrophic failure in airplanes system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:JT8D_Engine_after_Bird_Strike.jpg

conspiracy thing is such a bland reason...

the frozen chickens were only used for jet engine testing.. but in the real environment.. things are different..

watch this one..
9KhZwsYtNDE

Falcons are even used in JFK airport to harass those birds.. :)

Maxxclip

January 16th, 2009, 06:04 AM

By MARCUS FRANKLIN, Associated Press

NEW YORK – Shock, relief, gratitude. Most of all, the soaked and freezing passengers of Flight 1549 just seemed amazed to be alive.

All of them.

"You've got to give it to the pilot," said Jeff Kolodjay of Norwalk, Conn., who was aboard the US Airways jet that ditched in the frigid Hudson River after an apparent collision with a flock of birds. "He made a hell of a landing."

"He was phenomenal," echoed Joe Hart, of Long Island, a salesman with investment firm ING.

"He landed it — I tell you what — the impact wasn't a whole lot more than a rear-end (collision). It threw you into the seat ahead of you. Both engines cut out, and he actually floated it into the river," he added.

Hart said he waited out on the wing of the plane, with others, as the water level rose from his knee to his waist.

"Most of the panic occurred while we were out on the wings or in the water, and the ferry boats were coming." But, he added, "I couldn't believe how fast they showed up. They were right there to pick us up."

"I knew I was safe," he said. "The big guy upstairs didn't want me." Later, Hart had recovered enough to send a humorous text message to an Associated Press reporter: "I'm certain this will get me an upgrade on my next flight!"

Soon after the plane took off from LaGuardia Airport for Charlotte, N.C., passenger Albert Panero felt "an impact and some sort of loud noise." He started smelling smoke. "Everybody could tell that something was kind of going on, it wasn't just turbulence or something like that."

Soon, Panero said on WABC-TV, "I knew that we were going down."

"You think of all the things that are about to happen," he said. "I thought, 'I guess this is it. I guess I'm going to die.' I turned my phone back on because it's got GPS. I figured if anything happened, they could find me — or find whatever's left."

But then, the plane hit the water, and Panero was surprised that no huge explosion ensued. "I looked outside, and you could just see the water start creeping up pretty quick," he said. "So that's when I said, 'OK, we gotta get out of here.'"

At first, there was "a mixed emotion of yelling and crying," Panero said. But it didn't last. "A couple people just kind of took charge and calmed everyone. Everyone got to the exits, and whoever was there just opened them up."

Most of all, Panero was grateful to the pilot. "I can't believe he managed to land that plane," he marveled.

Dave Sanderson, 47, of Charlotte, who works for Oracle Corp., was headed home after a business trip. The married father of four was in seat 15A, on the left side of the plane.

"I heard an explosion, and I saw flames coming from the left wing and I thought, 'This isn't good,'" he said. "Then it was just controlled chaos. People started running up the aisle. People were getting shoved out of the way."

Kolodjay, 31, who had been headed to a golfing trip in Myrtle Beach, N.C., said he noticed a jolt and felt the plane drop. He looked out the left side of the jet and could see one of the engines on fire.

"Then the captain said, 'Brace for impact because we're going down,'" Kolodjay said. "It was intense." He said some passengers started praying. He said a few Hail Marys.

"It was bad, man," Kolodjay said. But he and others spoke of a sense of calm and purpose that quickly descended on the passengers and crew as the plane started filling with water and rescue boats swarmed to the scene. They decided women and children would be evacuated first.

"Then the rest of us got out," he said.

Passenger Fred Berretta, who lives in Charlotte, was on his way home from a business trip. He had one message for the pilot and co-pilot: "Thank you, thank you, thank you," he said.

bitoy

January 16th, 2009, 06:38 AM

^^ i saw that on tv... they said the plane hit a flock of birds which disabled its two engines minutes after takeoff from LGA.... good thing no casualties reported...

A very good job by the pilots and crew of US Airways jetliner in avoiding a huge disaster.

We all know that this accident doesn't happen often but I'm sure the training of the pilots and the crew play a big role to save everyone on that plane.

^i saw sa mga sci channels, kaya naman gawing bird shakes ang mga birds na napsok sa makina, wihout afeting the engine afterall. frozen chickens were fired at the engines, pero nothing happend. so, if the birds were as big as pteranodons (highly doubt it) dapat makakalipad pa rin yun. conspiracy theory?
p.s. poor birds, death by grinder

:lol: poor birds? they almost killed everyone on that plane.

Here in our airbase, parating nililinis ang runway especially the one assigned for the Air National guard F-15s. Even a small debris pag masama ang pasok sa intake can really cause some damage to the engine.

ryanr

January 16th, 2009, 07:04 AM

:lol: poor birds? they almost killed everyone on that plane.

not their fault though.:D They were just minding their own business and making their way home (or wherever they were going).

Great display of human heroics. From the pilot to the ferry captains.:okay: Amazing everyone is okay after that.

kiretoce

January 16th, 2009, 07:06 AM

I just hope that my flight to LGA in about a month will be uneventful and flock free. :lol:

pi_malejana

January 16th, 2009, 08:50 AM

sloanesquare

January 16th, 2009, 10:36 AM

Rather than hope for more European carriers, it appears that this is the preferred strategy: (ABS-CBN news)

Connecting the Philippines and Europe, a rich source of foreign tourists, are two of the largest airlines, Qatar Airlines of Qatar and Emirates Airlines of UAE, Durano said.

Durano said the just concluded air air services expansion agreement with Qatar would add 30 additional flights between the two countries each week.

Qatar Airlines bring European tourists from the Philippines via Doha.

The other airline that serves the European tourist market is Emirates, via Dubai.

as i see it, hk has become our staging point for all points of the world except USA/CANADA...so i dont expect any more major new carriers to come to manila....which is why i am of the view that we deserve at leat 24 flights per day from mnl-hk and 24 hk-mnl minimum. if this is done, no one will mind too much having to depart from hk .

ianers_ianized

January 16th, 2009, 01:39 PM

not their fault though.:D They were just minding their own business and making their way home (or wherever they were going).

Great display of human heroics. From the pilot to the ferry captains.:okay: Amazing everyone is okay after that.

pero kawawa nman yung nkakain ng engine.... mas delikado yan kung dito stn mangyayari kc maraming residential area at commercial area stn

arianespace

January 16th, 2009, 02:02 PM

^^
new flights developing, hopefully this should help lower some flight cost

looks like narrowbodies though, but at least 5th freedom for clark,

Its not rosier than what everybody think it was. While I may have hearts for Clark, Qatar Airways has no intention to fly heavies there. At least not yet. Their sentiment was echoed at the meeting. They wants to fly out of Manila and Cebu out of demand needs and probably Davao too but CAB offered Clark instead.

One stumbling block is the facilities issue. Subic Bay according to them is better equipt than Clark. I thing they were referring to full service facilities. Most Airlines view Clark as an LCC gateway with inadequate services. Most of our recent Air Service Agreements (ASA) has Clark as transit point, not as a viable alternate to Manila but as a concession to entice airlines to use it as a destination. New Zealand have it and now Qatar too, but I doubt they will ever use that right.

To sweeten the pot, Cebu was added making it difficult for Qatar to resist.

The bright side is, it opened a gateway for thriving Airlines in the Philippines based in Clark Economic Zone wanting to mount service to the Middle East and there are couple of them, even if Manila based airlines are not inclined to go there at the moment. How these thriving airlines can generate traffic going back is another matter.

For the moment, PAL is happy whatever the agreement there is. Code Share wise. In fact, flight frequency increase was added long before the final agreement took place. Its just a matter of formality now.

I think they will have the same agreement with UAE next week. What is in store is the double daily to Dubai (currently at 11), equivalent to 14 flights per week inclusive of future A380 service which will come next year and 10 to 11 flights per week going to Abu Dhabi. The A380 service was originally scheduled on the 4th quarter this year but was moved next year, probably to coincide with airbus delivery schedule. However, CAB has other things in mind. Well see...

as i see it, hk has become our staging point for all points of the world except USA/CANADA...so i dont expect any more major new carriers to come to manila....which is why i am of the view that we deserve at leat 24 flights per day from mnl-hk and 24 hk-mnl minimum. if this is done, no one will mind too much having to depart from hk .

I begged to differ. Statistically speaking, 2/3 of European traffic go to the different middle east hub. Of the remaining third, Hong King accounts for almost 25%, Singapore and Thailand over 20%. KLM alone has 28% based on 2007 figure but with their daily 777w sardine-packed service, it will go up to around 32%, while the rest either go to Taipei, Kuala Lumpur and Seoul at roughly 7%.

For US and Canada traffic, Philippine Airlines got around 40% of the market share, followed by Japan through Northwest at 30% with the remaining shared by Taipei, Seoul, Japan and Hong kong, in that particular order.

For US mainland traffic alone, there are 1,800 plus passengers going out of Manila every day as of 2008, and is growing at an annual rate of 6.5% per annum. Philippine Airlines alone carry an average of around 850 passengers daily.

xzibit31

January 16th, 2009, 02:38 PM

^^

Its not rosier than what everybody think it was. While I may have hearts for Clark, Qatar Airways has no intention to fly heavies there. At least not yet. Their sentiment was echoed at the meeting. They wants to fly out of Manila and Cebu out of demand needs and probably Davao too but CAB offered Clark instead.

One stumbling block is the facilities issue. Subic Bay according to them is better equipt than Clark. I thing they were referring to full service facilities. Most Airlines view Clark as an LCC gateway with inadequate services. Most of our recent Air Service Agreements (ASA) has Clark as transit point, not as a viable alternate to Manila but as a concession to entice airlines to use it as a destination. New Zealand have it and now Qatar too, but I doubt they will ever use that right.

To sweeten the pot, Cebu was added making it difficult for Qatar to resist.

The bright side is, it opened a gateway for thriving Airlines in the Philippines based in Clark Economic Zone wanting to mount service to the Middle East and there are couple of them, even if Manila based airlines are not inclined to go there at the moment. How these thriving airlines can generate traffic going back is another matter.

For the moment, PAL is happy whatever the agreement there is. Code Share wise. In fact, flight frequency increase was added long before the final agreement took place. Its just a matter of formality now.

I think they will have the same agreement with UAE next week. What is in store is the double daily to Dubai (currently at 11), equivalent to 14 flights per week inclusive of future A380 service which will come next year and 10 to 11 flights per week going to Abu Dhabi. The A380 service was originally scheduled on the 4th quarter this year but was moved next year, probably to coincide with airbus delivery schedule. However, CAB has other things in mind. Well see...

I begged to differ. Statistically speaking, 2/3 of European traffic go to the different middle east hub. Of the remaining third, Hong King accounts for almost 25%, Singapore and Thailand over 20%. KLM alone has 28% based on 2007 figure but with their daily 777w sardine-packed service, it will go up to around 32%, while the rest either go to Taipei, Kuala Lumpur and Seoul at roughly 7%.

For US and Canada traffic, Philippine Airlines got around 40% of the market share, followed by Japan through Northwest at 30% with the remaining shared by Taipei, Seoul, Japan and Hong kong, in that particular order.

For US mainland traffic alone, there are 1,800 plus passengers going out of Manila every day as of 2008, and is growing at an annual rate of 6.5% per annum. Philippine Airlines alone carry an average of around 850 passengers daily.

why do they always leave out davao in these talks? instead of promoting other international airports in the country, they mainy concentrate in luzon. paano naman kami dito sa mindanao? dont we deserve equal treatment from the CAB?

bitoy

January 17th, 2009, 12:31 AM

skilled pilot indeed, they said on tv that the plane, on its way into the river, cleared George-Wasghinton Bridge by amount 900 feet....

if that incident happened just a few days from now (maybe 1/20-1/22), things would've been different.. the pilot would be ditching the plane into an ice filled Hudson...

That could be be the same scenario as the crash of Air Florida in the Potomac River in 1982 in which Lenny Skutnik, the man who swim in the frozen river to rescue one of the victim.

I5nTuEzMpzo

bagel

January 17th, 2009, 12:37 AM

I just hope that my flight to LGA in about a month will be uneventful and flock free. :lol:

When are you going to NYC?

Anyway, current reports say that as the NTSB is inspecting the wreckage, they found that both engines are missing. How can this be? Do they just detach like that? The newspaper article went on to say that the probably floated down the river. How can this be? If I tossed my car engine into the river, it would sink like a rock. Are airplane engines somehow more buoyant?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/17/nyregion/17crashcnd.html?hp

arianespace

January 17th, 2009, 01:01 AM

^^@xzibit31

http://www.clarksubicmarketing.com/logistics_supply_chain/images/dmia_from_air.jpg
WHY CLARK?

In defense to CAB, it's not their fault really. Blame it to government priority. You see Arroyo's government is promoting the airport named in her fathers honor. If it does not surprise you, DMIA was changed from CIA during her term.

For a much more logical reason, the government really wants airlines to operate at Clark after UPS decided to pull the dollar plug by leaving and relocating to China. With no more income to finance its future capital expenditure, its status as a future international hub becomes bleak as no foreign lender would dare finance its ambitious terminal plan without knowing from what pockets do payments come from and from what airlines would they collect the loan amortization from. Not unless half of the international airlines operating in Manila relocate to the former US air base will its operation justify the cost.

That is the real score. Unlike Subic where its expansion cost was effectively covered and paid for by Fedex in its almost 15 years of stay, Clark is not similarly situated.

Clark would have been a logical choice for expansion had the capacity of Manila airport was filling to the brim, operation and terminal wise. Remember, Terminal and runway capacity are two different things.

For much clearer comparison, take a closer look at the history of HANEDA and NARITA airports in Tokyo and what led to the latter's construction. Never mind the problems they went into. The point is that Haneda can't take additional capacity anymore necessitating its construction.

Like what I said before in the previous thread, Manila, despite its two runway system is nowhere near the capacity of London Gatwick at 35 million pax per annum despite it using a single runway and it still has room for more. Manila currently caters at 21 million. Even if Terminal 3 is operated at full capacity, it will still be less than 30 million. Despite CAAP's claim that it was, in reality it was not. The logic there is that they are just playing politics to enable expanding airlines to consider Clark airport too.

Whats very wrong in the loan proposal for the Clark Terminal is that the government is again counting already the flight entitlement to Clark as future source of revenue when only a handful manage to mount flights there. Its like counting chicks before the eggs hatches. What they should have done is count it when its already chickens. Meaning, flights actually do exists. Thats why it project proposal was disapproved outright by foreign lenders from Japan and Korea for economic non-viability. Surely, you wont see those things heading the newsroom. I think the Chinese Eximbank are too burned out with their Northrail and ZTE broadband projects that they shy away from funding this airport projects in the meantime.

Remember the Davao International Airport construction project which I told you about and how it led ADB to changed its position relative to future airport construction projects in the Philippines to be based on actual passenger traffic and not based on government projections declared by them to be bloated. That's whats been happening at Bacolod and Iloilo as well as Cagayan de Oro projects which was supposed to be constructed in the early 90's if based on our government's projections. Imagine, its happening again. I don't understand why its very difficult to learn when its supposed to be simple.

No wonder too CIAC have problems negotiating with a BOT contractor that they can't agree to its design capacity because the Middle Eastern Investors wanted something smaller commensurate with capacity and anticipate projection relative to Manila's remaining free capacity which is pegged at 37 million. And maybe grow from there. CIAC wanted bigger and I honestly don't understand why they kept that unreasonable figure.

Coincidentally, the one that won the bid has no experience at airport operations so how competent they can get? Thats probably why the American firm offered more because maybe they don't have a clue at all. After all else failed, they suddenly realized the wind isn't blowing their way and finally adopted the modular approach which they should have done from the start.

All great airports of the world from JFK, ORD, LHR to LAX and other mega airports started this way. How can Clark be any different? It would have been a good choice if Manila is closing down like what was happening at Bangkok or Hong Kong airports but it wasn't the case here.

Clearly, all options are not there anymore except the trick for a smaller terminal which was originally proposed by the losing bidder. It was a great plan. I think that was a wakeup call for them. Because they end up with nothing. New proposals are now floating on the air and I hope the new BOT proponent will fly with it.

However, with the aviation climate we have, it may not come within the next two to three years and CIAC may rethink its position again. As I said, It would be another 10 years before Clark starts to realize its worth assuming Manila grows at its present phase to be the next Narita in Asia.

One thing is certain though, Clark is growing to be the next gateway. :)

ruralvillage

January 17th, 2009, 02:06 AM

No problem in constructing 3rd airport –- Cusi (http://positivenewsmedia.net/am2/publish/Tourism_24/No_problem_in_constructing_3rd_airport_-_Cusi.shtml)
PNM (http://positivenewsmedia.net/am2/publish/Tourism_24/No_problem_in_constructing_3rd_airport_-_Cusi.shtml)

By Lynda B. Valencia

MANILA, Jan. 17 (PNA) -- The Manila International Airport Authority (MIAA) welcomed the proposed development of a Php3 billion complex to house an international airport in the lakeshore area of Taguig.

MIAA general manager Alfonso Cusi supports the aggressive stance of local governments to develop more airports nationwide since the current trend is the development of more airports in the city to help spur economic development.

”Airports are engines of progress and the transformation of at least 3,000 hectares of lakeshore area into an airport, is still a plan, but if converted into realty, it would be the alternative to the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) and the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport (DMIA).” Cusi said.

However, he said, the air traffic in the proposed airport may “get entangled” with those at the NAIA.

Earlier, the city of Taguig entered into a joint venture with the Laguna Lake Development Authority (LLDA) to reclaim 3,000 hectares along the shorelines of the 90,000 hectare Laguna de Bay.

As planned, Taguig and the LLDA will form a 50-50 joint venture to oversee the development of the Lakeshore Project. They have tapped the Development Bank of the Philippines (DBP) as financial adviser.

Taguig Mayor Sigfrido Tinga, said the project is a giant leap toward urban development that is well-planned, environment-friendly and growth-oriented.

He said the inclusion of an airport was brought about by the need for a bigger airport to serve Metro Manila and CALABARZON.

”It (airport) was also inspired by the success of airport cities like Jebel Ali Airport City in Dubai where the long- term development is anchored on an airport,” Tinga said.

The airport project is located at the southern end of the entire development. It should take 10 to 15 years to construct.

A strategic planning will be done taking into account NAIA and DMIA, Tinga said.

For the commercial development, they could engage the private sector developers in either term leases, or also joint venture activities and outright ownership, depending on the offer.

Another stage would involve 250 to 300 hectares and include other commercial, residential, and recreational centers.

Tinga said developing the area would cost Php1 million per hectare for reclamation; construction, Php10,000 per square meter to develop socialized housing; and Php25,000 to Php30,000 per square meter for higher-end development.

Bidding is set for the first quarter of 2009 and the winning bid will be announce on the succeeding quarters. (PNA)

tisoycuba

January 17th, 2009, 05:03 AM

[QUOTE=arianespace;30855810]^^@xzibit31

http://www.clarksubicmarketing.com/logistics_supply_chain/images/dmia_from_air.jpg
WHY CLARK?

In defense to CAB, it's not their fault really. Blame it to government priority. You see Arroyo's government is promoting the airport named in her fathers honor. If it does not surprise you, DMIA was changed from CIA during her term.

For a much more logical reason, the government really wants airlines to operate at Clark after UPS decided to pull the dollar plug by leaving and relocating to China. With no more income to finance its future capital expenditure, its status as a future international hub becomes bleak as no foreign lender would dare finance its ambitious terminal plan without knowing from what pockets do payments come from and from what airlines would they collect the loan amortization from. Not unless half of the international airlines operating in Manila relocate to the former US air base will its operation justify the cost.

That is the real score. Unlike Subic where its expansion cost was effectively covered and paid for by Fedex in its almost 15 years of stay, Clark is not similarly situated.

Clark would have been a logical choice for expansion had the capacity of Manila airport was filling to the brim, operation and terminal wise. Remember, Terminal and runway capacity are two different things.

For much clearer comparison, take a closer look at the history of HANEDA and NARITA airports in Tokyo and what led to the latter's construction. Never mind the problems they went into. The point is that Haneda can't take additional capacity anymore necessitating its construction.

Like what I said before in the previous thread, Manila, despite its two runway system is nowhere near the capacity of London Gatwick at 35 million pax per annum despite it using a single runway and it still has room for more. Manila currently caters at 21 million. Even if Terminal 3 is operated at full capacity, it will still be less than 30 million. Despite CAAP's claim that it was, in reality it was not. The logic there is that they are just playing politics to enable expanding airlines to consider Clark airport too.

Whats very wrong in the loan proposal for the Clark Terminal is that the government is again counting already the flight entitlement to Clark as future source of revenue when only a handful manage to mount flights there. Its like counting chicks before the eggs hatches. What they should have done is count it when its already chickens. Meaning, flights actually do exists. Thats why it project proposal was disapproved outright by foreign lenders from Japan and Korea for economic non-viability. Surely, you wont see those things heading the newsroom. I think the Chinese Eximbank are too burned out with their Northrail and ZTE broadband projects that they shy away from funding this airport projects in the meantime.

Remember the Davao International Airport construction project which I told you about and how it led ADB to changed its position relative to future airport construction projects in the Philippines to be based on actual passenger traffic and not based on government projections declared by them to be bloated. That's whats been happening at Bacolod and Iloilo as well as Cagayan de Oro projects which was supposed to be constructed in the early 90's if based on our government's projections. Imagine, its happening again. I don't understand why its very difficult to learn when its supposed to be simple.

No wonder too CIAC have problems negotiating with a BOT contractor that they can't agree to its design capacity because the Middle Eastern Investors wanted something smaller commensurate with capacity and anticipate projection relative to Manila's remaining free capacity which is pegged at 37 million. And maybe grow from there. CIAC wanted bigger and I honestly don't understand why they kept that unreasonable figure.

Coincidentally, the one that won the bid has no experience at airport operations so how competent they can get? Thats probably why the American firm offered more because maybe they don't have a clue at all. After all else failed, they suddenly realized the wind isn't blowing their way and finally adopted the modular approach which they should have done from the start.

All great airports of the world from JFK, ORD, LHR to LAX and other mega airports started this way. How can Clark be any different? It would have been a good choice if Manila is closing down like what was happening at Bangkok or Hong Kong airports but it wasn't the case here.

Clearly, all options are not there anymore except the trick for a smaller terminal which was originally proposed by the losing bidder. It was a great plan. I think that was a wakeup call for them. Because they end up with nothing. New proposals are now floating on the air and I hope the new BOT proponent will fly with it.

However, with the aviation climate we have, it may not come within the next two to three years and CIAC may rethink its position again. As I said, It would be another 10 years before Clark starts to realize its worth assuming Manila grows at its present phase to be the next Narita in Asia.

One thing is certain though, Clark is growing to be the next gateway. :)[/Qi

I ask you to visit clark. kotra ka sa develop nang clark..pasyal ka dto kung ano ang mga ginagawa sa loob nang airport nang clark..madami na,like yun sa.maintenance repair overhaul nang singapore airline co.with cebu pacific..start na sila construction nang aircraft hanger:)

tisoycuba

January 17th, 2009, 05:12 AM

at saka sa subic airport,nahulog napo ang fedex plane doon sa dulo nang runway.hindi nga makababa ang MD 11 nila sa subic kaya minsan sa clark nila ito pinapababa po.

kiretoce

January 17th, 2009, 05:22 AM

When are you going to NYC?

Leaving Orlando on February 12 and back on February 16, Mike.

No problem in constructing 3rd airport –- Cusi (http://positivenewsmedia.net/am2/publish/Tourism_24/No_problem_in_constructing_3rd_airport_-_Cusi.shtml)
PNM (http://positivenewsmedia.net/am2/publish/Tourism_24/No_problem_in_constructing_3rd_airport_-_Cusi.shtml)

This is bollocks! :ohno: They can't even get MNL's NAIA T3 fully operational, plus CRK hasn't reached saturation yet, then you also have SGL in Cavite with its close proximity to the Metro. Constructing another airport to service NCR is just overkill when the other existing ones haven't reached their maximum potential.

Ph Man

January 17th, 2009, 05:34 AM

they might after 10 years when the airport gets completed.

kiretoce

January 17th, 2009, 07:22 AM

^^ Ten years from when? Now? At this current rate, ten years might just as well come and go.

mwg12a

January 17th, 2009, 08:39 AM

why do they always leave out davao in these talks? instead of promoting other international airports in the country, they mainy concentrate in luzon. paano naman kami dito sa mindanao? dont we deserve equal treatment from the CAB?

I'm sure if it's feasible to an airline company to go to DVO, they would do it in a heart beat. Don't beat you guy's self over what you perceive as the concentration only lies in Manila or the Capital region. While there might be some truth to it , The Philippine government can't force foreign airline companies to offer servicces to certain points in the PHilippines. Look at Qatar, they serve Cebu.... Let's not get our misunderstanding and wrong concepts of facts overtook our way of thinking, sometimes it ends more into an unnecessary jealousy.... progress will come your way if it's really coming. Again, look at Cebu City..... Right now, you guys gets Silk air and I believe in the past, there was a talk with Cathy Pacific to serve DVO but CX turned it down... We can't force them if they don't feel it's beneficial for their company.

arianespace

January 17th, 2009, 11:50 AM

^^

I ask you to visit clark. kotra ka sa develop nang clark..pasyal ka dto kung ano ang mga ginagawa sa loob nang airport nang clark..madami na,like yun sa.maintenance repair overhaul nang singapore airline co.with cebu pacific..start na sila construction nang aircraft hanger:)

You don't have to tell me that. I frequented the place.

And I know what I'm talking about especially on your much touted MRO facilities . You should be working with the government to make their sense better. Because I failed in that respect.

If that burst your bubble, then sorry. Its the most I can say to you. You really don't know whats happening inside other than the things you see or the press releases you saw. I can. PEACE!:wave:

I'm sure if it's feasible to an airline company to go to DVO, they would do it in a heart beat. Don't beat you guy's self over what you perceive as the concentration only lies in Manila or the Capital region. While there might be some truth to it , The Philippine government can't force foreign airline companies to offer services to certain points in the Philippines. Look at Qatar, they serve Cebu.... Let's not get our misunderstanding and wrong concepts of facts overtook our way of thinking, sometimes it ends more into an unnecessary jealousy.... progress will come your way if it's really coming. Again, look at Cebu City..... Right now, you guys gets Silk air and I believe in the past, there was a talk with Cathy Pacific to serve DVO but CX turned it down... We can't force them if they don't feel it's beneficial for their company.

Good thinking. Its really pure economic sense.

Did you know that Northwest and Japan airlines has authority to fly from Cebu and Davao yet never operated down south? Even PAL have the rights to fly from Davao to Narita yet only flown from Cebu. I would not be surprise is 5j beats them to Tokyo from Davao. Singapore Airlines and Thai airways have authority to fly Cebu yet never flew there.

I made an example, I think in the Iloilo airport thread, on why no foreign airlines fly Iloilo despite the governments effort to open it to international traffic. Because foreign airlines wants to fly Kalibo instead. And to think Kalibo's international traffic was factored in the construction of the airport. But no, airlines insisted Kalibo or there will be no additional frequency to their country. Remember, on these ASA's our country was the beggar to open up more, not the other way around which is happening on the middle east market. Their position is either fly Kalibo or their is no Korea for CEB or RIT. If you're the government, its a tough call. Good thing, ILO came out on its own. It would have been better if it got both.

Similarly, since Middle East countries wants to fly Manila more, they have to agree to our terms, like more frequency to Clark instead even if they don't intend to fly there at the moment. Its really an empty agreement merely for the sake of it driven by political considerations. Look at India and New Zealand. We have ASA with them. Even 5th freedom rights from Clark. Yet New Zealand never uses it. Much more pay us a visit at our country a month or so.

Thats politics for you. And you may think ASA's are perpetual. Think again. It has a validity period. When Clark is ready they may not be there anymore. So much of the Philippine competency index.

The bottomline is, no matter how we open our airports to international traffic and project it to be the best international airport in the world if no foreign tourist, business or leisure, come there for a holiday or stay, will always be an empty international airport no matter what projections you make.

Basic airline economics tells you that airplanes go where the money is. Its for you to figure it out.

Thats a fact, its reality.

le Reine

January 17th, 2009, 01:05 PM

This is bollocks! :ohno: They can't even get MNL's NAIA T3 fully operational, plus CRK hasn't reached saturation yet, then you also have SGL in Cavite with its close proximity to the Metro. Constructing another airport to service NCR is just overkill when the other existing ones haven't reached their maximum potential.Yeah, I also cannot see the sense in it. There's just too many airports that will serve Manila.

arianespace

January 17th, 2009, 01:22 PM

^^
Do I need to comment on that? Maybe not. These LGU is dreaming really hard.

Anyway, since it mention Jebel Ali Airport City in Dubai as comparison, I may as well take you to Richard Quest talk to the man and men behind the Emirates and its transformation and why I said Mayor Tinga is dreaming pretty big. Unless he finds oil in his backyard, he might as well wake up.

Why is Dubai building the World Biggest Airport (http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/international/2009/01/14/biz.trav.emirates.terminal.bk.f.cnn)

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/.element/img/2.0/sect/cnni/programs/business.traveller/header_02.jpg
This might be of help to knock them off their current state of senses.

Why Hong Kong is the Best Airport in the World (http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/international/2009/01/14/biz.trav.hong.kong.bk.d.cnn)

Why Dubai Airport Needs Terminal 3 (http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/international/2009/01/15/biz.trav.maurice.flanagan.int.1.cnn)

And Why Dubai Terminal 3 needs to be huge (http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/international/2009/01/15/biz.trav.maurice.flanagan.int.1.cnn)

Maybe some of us can learn a thing or two about the need of airport projects. Then we can have our own story to tell.

absinthe_888

January 17th, 2009, 05:44 PM

"ZukiChirO"

January 17th, 2009, 06:57 PM

IT'S IS RELATED TO A PLAN OF A NEW AIRPORT IN TAGUIG...

Govt unveils plan for new airport in Taguig
Manila Standard Today Saturday

Airports

THE City of Taguig and the Laguna Lake Development Authority are packaging an ambitious project to reclaim 3,000 hectares of lakeshore area to build a P3-billion complex that will hold an international airport.

The city government and the lake authority will form a 50-50 joint venture to oversee the three-stage development of the Lakeshore Project, and have tapped the Development Bank of the Philippines as financial adviser.

Taguig Mayor Sigfrido Tinga said the city’s strategic location made it ideal for the development of a large-scale low- to mid-density mixed-use project.

“The Lakeshore Project is a giant leap toward urban development that is well-planned, environment-friendly and growth-oriented. It will be master-planned, inclusionary and an airport-driven city,” Tinga said.

The inclusion of an airport, he said, was brought about by the need for a bigger airport to serve Metro Manila. It was also inspired by the success of airport cities like Jebel Ali Airport City in Dubai, Tinga said.

Out of the 3,000 hectares of lakeshore area that fall within Taguig’s jurisdiction, a core area of 250 to 300 hectares has been identified as the first stage of the project.

One benefit of using the lakeshore is that there are no squatters there, since the area is under water during the rainy season.

Bidding for the area’s development is set for the first quarter of 2009, and the winning bid will be announced in the succeeding quarter.

Tinga said the second stage would involve another 250 to 300 hectares and include other commercial, residential and recreational centers.

The third stage aims to include the development of the international airport, which will be at the southern end of the entire development. The airport project should take 10 to 15 years to build.

Tinga said the project was expected to draw investments from local and foreign groups and generate new jobs.

“We expect the Lakeshore Project to be one of the biggest investment opportunities in the country for property developers as well as the general public,” Tinga said.

He said the cost of developing the area had been estimated at P1 million per hectare for reclamation alone. Construction costs had been pegged at P10,000 per square meter to develop socialized housing, and P25,000 to P30,000 per square meter for higher-end development.

Tinga said that unlike the Fort Bonifacio Global City, the new project would not be exclusively for high-end development but would include up to 20 percent for socialized housing.

“This will be inclusionary zoning, where we will be integrating socialized housing units in the entire developmentm” he said.

“Fort Bonifacio will be the last high-end only development in the country.”

Palafox Associates was tapped to do the conceptual design.

Armando Samia, executive vice president of Development Bank of the Philippines, said bidders would vie for the right to recover the land and develop it under a mixed-use development concept.

“Development could be done via long-term lease and transfer or through joint venture with government. DBP’s role is not only as financial adviser but also as a possible financier,” Samia said.

The two proponents yesterday held a project briefing for prospective investors that include Megaworld Corp., San Miguel Properties, SM Development Corp., Federal Land, Filinvest Land, DMCI Holdings, Eton Properties, Greenfield Development Group, Sta. Lucia Realty, Alphaland, Robinsons Land and Century Properties.

Lake development authority general manager Edgardo Manda said: “We need to assert the authority of government to put order in Laguna Lake to make sure it is environmentally sound and we could put in place an efficient eco-water system that would allow us to source potable water from it by 2015,” Manda siad.

He estimated there are about 100,000 squatter families in Laguna de Bay, which covers 90,000 hectares. The Lakeshore Project will account for 3 percent to 3.5 percent of the lake’s total area.

tisoycuba

January 17th, 2009, 11:15 PM

^^

You don't have to tell me that. I frequented the place. If Mimosa Estate is familiar to you, I once lived there for a month, all expenses paid. I hate to brag but I was part of the team that plan your mega airport, humility wise. Anyway, I just did. My apologies. The only thing I hate myself when I was there is not learning to play gulf. And I know the original CIAC people too all the way to the DOTC hierarchy but I don't have to elaborate their names here on privacy grounds. All I can say is I can have access to the area of your beloved airport you want me to go on a phones notice. Even those sensitive documents they don't show to the public and the press and which normally shouldn't be in the newsroom which you find a day later in the newspaper stands.

And I know what I'm talking about especially on your much touted MRO facilities because I can give you figures far better than the CIAC consultant because some of it comes from me. Its what they pay me for. Because I know something they don't. But I don't decide. I can only recommend. Thats the difference. If you think you are better than me then I am happy for you. You should be working with the government to make their sense better. Because I failed in that respect.

If that burst your bubble, then sorry. Its the most I can say to you. You really don't know whats happening inside other than the things you see or the press releases you saw. I can. PEACE!:wave:

Good thinking. Its really pure economic sense.

Did you know that Northwest and Japan airlines has authority to fly from Cebu and Davao yet never operated down south? Even PAL have the rights to fly from Davao to Narita yet only flown from Cebu. I would not be surprise is 5j beats them to Tokyo from Davao. Singapore Airlines and Thai airways have authority to fly Cebu yet never flew there.

I made an example, I think in the Iloilo airport thread, on why no foreign airlines fly Iloilo despite the governments effort to open it to international traffic. Because foreign airlines wants to fly Kalibo instead. And to think Kalibo's international traffic was factored in the construction of the airport. But no, airlines insisted Kalibo or there will be no additional frequency to their country. Remember, on these ASA's our country was the beggar to open up more, not the other way around which is happening on the middle east market. Their position is either fly Kalibo or their is no Korea for CEB or RIT. If you're the government, its a tough call. Good thing, ILO came out on its own. It would have been better if it got both.

Similarly, since Middle East countries wants to fly Manila more, they have to agree to our terms, like more frequency to Clark instead even if they don't intend to fly there at the moment. Its really an empty agreement merely for the sake of it driven by political considerations. Look at India and New Zealand. We have ASA with them. Even 5th freedom rights from Clark. Yet New Zealand never uses it. Much more pay us a visit at our country a month or so.

Thats politics for you. And you may think ASA's are perpetual. Think again. It has a validity period. When Clark is ready they may not be there anymore. So much of the Philippine competency index.

The bottomline is, no matter how we open our airports to international traffic and project it to be the best international airport in the world if no foreign tourist, business or leisure, come there for a holiday or stay, will always be an empty international airport no matter what projections you make.

Basic airline economics tells you that airplanes go where the money is. Its for you to figure it out.

Thats a fact, its reality.

alam ko ang mimosa,dahil dati yan chamber hall noon nagdyan pa sila uncle sam,at hindi ako dayu sa ANGELES :)dati ako work dyan noon panahon na kano pa dyan :lol:

tisoycuba

January 17th, 2009, 11:20 PM

meron din ako tindahan sa main gate nang clark,malapit sa JJ supermarket..hehehehe

dhalecx

January 18th, 2009, 02:45 AM

pero kawawa nman yung nkakain ng engine.... mas delikado yan kung dito stn mangyayari kc maraming residential area at commercial area stn

last year, while on a bus on south superhighway, I saw an airplane landing and a bird was flying across its path. I think it was an airbus 340 or 330.

mwg12a

January 18th, 2009, 05:53 AM

If it's flying across it's path, it should be okay as long as it's moving where the aircraft won't really run into the flock. 50 feet from the engines is a safe distance. It's dangerous if the birds are heading towards the aircraft's flight direction or they happen to fly towards the same path the aircraft is moving to...

Most airports device certain technique to scare away huge flock of birds, especially the migratory ones. Sometimes ducks follow some aircraft thinking it's another bird, just like cessna aircrafts. It sounds stupid but it does happen, birds can mistake an airplane to be the leader of their flock so they follow them... I don't know how and why? I just read it somewhere long long time ago....

bitoy

January 18th, 2009, 08:12 AM

Anyway, current reports say that as the NTSB is inspecting the wreckage, they found that both engines are missing. How can this be? Do they just detach like that? The newspaper article went on to say that the probably floated down the river. How can this be? If I tossed my car engine into the river, it would sink like a rock. Are airplane engines somehow more buoyant?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/17/nyregion/17crashcnd.html?hp

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20090118/capt.b9409e2b160e4d1ab5e4b9e6415abc95.plane_splashdown_nycr109.jpg?

It looks like the right engine is still there, just the side panel and cowling were torn apart.
I saw a video on TV on how that jet came to its final glide approach, it must be tough to do a water landing and the pilot really did a good job.

dexter06

January 18th, 2009, 09:56 AM

http://d.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20090118/capt.b9409e2b160e4d1ab5e4b9e6415abc95.plane_splashdown_nycr109.jpg?

It looks like the right engine is still there, just the side panel and cowling were torn apart.
I saw a video on TV on how that jet came to its final glide approach, it must be tough to do a water landing and the pilot really did a good job.

Bro, i have been searching for this video on the net. Care to share the link?

bitoy

January 18th, 2009, 10:32 AM

Bro, i have been searching for this video on the net. Care to share the link?

LtFrsa7Yico

3mLKfRVU3qM

habagatcentral1

January 18th, 2009, 12:41 PM

^^ Iwas muna ako nood nito...I have a flight on Wednesday....:runaway:

Chrisvenz

January 18th, 2009, 02:27 PM

LtFrsa7Yico

3mLKfRVU3qM

omg. kakatakot naman.

Ph Man

January 18th, 2009, 07:22 PM

reminds us to take safety instructions seriously. the pilot did well in landing the plane safely on water. it could have been fatal if the landing orientation of the plane is different.

kiretoce

January 18th, 2009, 07:57 PM

Iwas muna ako nood nito...I have a flight on Wednesday....:runaway:

Afraid it might jinx you, Bernie? ;)

bustero

January 18th, 2009, 10:41 PM

^^

Its not rosier than what everybody think it was. While I may have hearts for Clark, Qatar Airways has no intention to fly heavies there. At least not yet. Their sentiment was echoed at the meeting. They wants to fly out of Manila and Cebu out of demand needs and probably Davao too but CAB offered Clark instead.

One stumbling block is the facilities issue. Subic Bay according to them is better equipt than Clark. I thing they were referring to full service facilities. Most Airlines view Clark as an LCC gateway with inadequate services. Most of our recent Air Service Agreements (ASA) has Clark as transit point, not as a viable alternate to Manila but as a concession to entice airlines to use it as a destination. New Zealand have it and now Qatar too, but I doubt they will ever use that right.

To sweeten the pot, Cebu was added making it difficult for Qatar to resist.

The bright side is, it opened a gateway for thriving Airlines in the Philippines based in Clark Economic Zone wanting to mount service to the Middle East and there are couple of them, even if Manila based airlines are not inclined to go there at the moment. How these thriving airlines can generate traffic going back is another matter.

For the moment, PAL is happy whatever the agreement there is. Code Share wise. In fact, flight frequency increase was added long before the final agreement took place. Its just a matter of formality now.

I think they will have the same agreement with UAE next week. What is in store is the double daily to Dubai (currently at 11), equivalent to 14 flights per week inclusive of future A380 service which will come next year and 10 to 11 flights per week going to Abu Dhabi. The A380 service was originally scheduled on the 4th quarter this year but was moved next year, probably to coincide with airbus delivery schedule. However, CAB has other things in mind. Well see...

I think as long as the entitlements exist then there is the possibility for competition. Clark is still born not because it's far but it's competitive edge of having open skies was taken away. Trying to recreate it a piece at a time is better than nothing for Clark even if new players have to pay Pal for the codeshare, at least the possibility exists.

For sure the lack of a proper terminal is major stumbling block. It's why Ciac wants to build one supposedly because certain services will only consider flying to Clark if it exists and not just an LCC one. Ironically the most aggressive LCC's are the ones who can't expand because of retraction of open skies and they don't need the new terminal.

In the end building a terminal to entice demand or to serve existing demand is a chicken and egg argument , what is quite clear is that as long as Clark keeps gathering options to do business, it's long run capacity to expand will be improved.

bitoy

January 19th, 2009, 05:38 AM

^^ Iwas muna ako nood nito...I have a flight on Wednesday....:runaway:

omg. kakatakot naman.

Nah,... After seeing these, I for one change the outlook of this kind of incident. Modern technology somehow change a lot in a few years.
Somehow it gave me a better view on survival that each of us trust our lives into with these professionals during an airline flight.

Akala ko nuon pag dedo na ang lahat ng engine power of an airliner, the more chance of meeting your maker that soon. :D

habagatcentral1

January 19th, 2009, 05:39 AM

^^ What more if you watch Air Crash Investigations of National Geographic when you are at the airport, like what I've experienced in Mactan Cebu Airport, hehe!! :D

bitoy

January 19th, 2009, 05:48 AM

^^ well, any landings that you walk away or swim away from is a perfect landing. :lol:
I've seen so many videos and wrecked planes during my stint with the USAF, kikilabutan ka minsan pag nakita mo yung mga naka junk na airplanes, thank God I never experienced any emergency landings yet but bumpy rides on take off and landings in the Middle East to run away from being shot are just too many to make anyone numb to their bones.
We make fun of the newbies to put their kevlar vests under their seat so that they won't get hit be enemy groundfires. :lol:

mwg12a

January 19th, 2009, 07:21 AM

I think from some of the crash videos I've seen, you do have better chances in surviving if the plane crash on an ocean, river or any body of water. Remember that hijacked aircraft in Africa? A South African airliner which is a 747... it run out of fuel and it crash landed on a beach from. The plane broke apart on that one but most of the death was from drowning, mostly due to the passengers wearing wife vests the inflated even before they hit the water, so, most of them buoyed up inside the cabin and weren't able to get around and out. That one really stuck in my mind...

This crash by US airways really just got lucky, they have a good and well experienced pilot, there was no strong wind or turbulance, the water they crashed on was calm unlike in the ocean where the water is usually choppy. There were no obstacles in their crash path considering it's a high traffic area with any watercrafts that ply along this river.

kiretoce

January 19th, 2009, 07:23 AM

The plane broke apart on that one but most of the death was from drowning, mostly due to the passengers wearing wife vests the inflated even before they hit the water, so, most of them buoyed up inside the cabin and weren't able to get around and out. That one really stuck in my mind...

Hmm....I wonder what a "wife vest" looks like. ;)

:lol: :jk: :nocrook:

habagatcentral1

January 19th, 2009, 07:33 AM

^^ :lol: Natawa ako dun ha...:nocrook: :jk:

Anyway, still...part of the psyching up passengers...dapat di masyadong pinapanood ang mga ganito pag nasa airport...hehe!

mwg12a

January 19th, 2009, 07:37 AM

Hmm....I wonder what a "wife vest" looks like. ;)

:lol: :jk: :nocrook:

ROFLMAO, I didn't even catch on that one!!! Good eye!! LifeVest ffs, just slip of the tongue dude, cut me a slack. You know me, king of typonese and erorneses

kiretoce

January 19th, 2009, 07:41 AM

^^ :lol: I just found it hella funny that's why I quoted it. I didn't intend to point out any grammatical errors or make corrections to it. :colgate:

mwg12a

January 19th, 2009, 07:45 AM

I know, still... I have this bad habit of just typing then changing my words sometimes and not bother to read again, just type and click send sometimes...

I could of demo what a wife vest looks like though, but that would be too graphic and needs A rated rating for this thread alone.... he he

kiretoce

January 19th, 2009, 07:50 AM

^^ :lol: Well, if that wife vest of yours gets patented and you get rich from the royalties, don't forget to cut 'lil 'ol me a part of that big fat check when comes in. ;)

mwg12a

January 19th, 2009, 07:51 AM

Deal!!

GearX

January 19th, 2009, 08:30 AM

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3176/3080985845_21dc2352b9.jpg?v=0

photo by cybermanfrankie1

kiretoce

January 19th, 2009, 08:32 AM

^^ Is there an accompanying article with that photo, GearX?

GearX

January 19th, 2009, 08:55 AM

^^ Is there an accompanying article with that photo, GearX?

only from flicker ....

chris_nigel

January 20th, 2009, 11:46 AM

only from flicker ....

i hope this put into reality not just pictures

zoroethgenre_003

January 21st, 2009, 03:49 AM

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3176/3080985845_21dc2352b9.jpg?v=0

photo by cybermanfrankie1

are there any plans to upgrade Puerto Princesa to meet international standards? Palawan is also one of the top tourist destination in the country..

ruralvillage

January 22nd, 2009, 12:23 AM

Airport upgrade to boost passenger traffic - MIAA (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?ArticleId=433600&publicationSubCategoryId=66)
Updated January 22, 2009 12:00 AM
Philstar.com (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?ArticleId=433600&publicationSubCategoryId=66)

The Manila International Airport Authority (MIAA) is not banking on open skies to boost passenger traffic but on new and better airports using modern equipment, processes and systems that provide improved service to travelers, like safety and convenience.

“We are confident that when airports are run professionally, there is no reason why there will be no growth in terms of passenger flights and passenger traffic as a whole,” MIAA general manager Alfonso Cusi said.

That is why, Cusi said, “we are aligning our national plan for airport development with the overall plan for infrastructure development as well as the trade and tourism thrusts of the country.”

“The aviation sector will certainly benefit greatly with better coordination, greater grasp of realities in airport management and capacity building, higher consciousness of the ever-changing challenges in the global aviation and terminal industry,” he said.

Cusi echoed the position of most travel and tourism stakeholders that the answer to the expected fall in travel and tourism business is not open skies, which will only add a burden on Philippine air carriers, but in the improvement of infrastructure and services.

He said “we are committed and determined to help make the country grow by paving the way through our better services at the airport,” adding that “the growth of airlines servicing a country’s routes is usually anchored on the way a country is able to pursue its trade and tourism thrusts.”

“The development of airports is usually a natural consequence of a nation’s development thrust and the Philippines is not an exception,” the MIAA head said.

In this connection, Cusi stressed the importance of proper repair and maintenance programs, as well as more modern equipment to comply with international safety and security standards.

He said MIAA has already “embarked on some deliberate development studies and measures, such as the formulation of an updated airports security master plan, updated traffic forecasts and airport capacity analysis, study on airline accommodation strategy and mix, feasibility study on additional runway options, and study on Philippine International Airport Authority inputs.”

Finally, Cusi said that “we commit to build a culture of work excellence among the various work forces operating inside our passenger terminals, conscious of the ideals and requirements of public service, to attain total passenger delight.”

tisoycuba

January 22nd, 2009, 12:37 AM

[QUOTE=tisoycuba;30863900][QUOTE=arianespace;30855810]^^@xzibit31

http://www.clarksubicmarketing.com/logistics_supply_chain/images/dmia_from_air.jpg
WHY CLARK?

In defense to CAB, it's not their fault really. Blame it to government priority. You see Arroyo's government is promoting the airport named in her fathers honor. If it does not surprise you, DMIA was changed from CIA during her term.

For a much more logical reason, the government really wants airlines to operate at Clark after UPS decided to pull the dollar plug by leaving and relocating to China. With no more income to finance its future capital expenditure, its status as a future international hub becomes bleak as no foreign lender would dare finance its ambitious terminal plan without knowing from what pockets do payments come from and from what airlines would they collect the loan amortization from. Not unless half of the international airlines operating in Manila relocate to the former US air base will its operation justify the cost.

That is the real score. Unlike Subic where its expansion cost was effectively covered and paid for by Fedex in its almost 15 years of stay, Clark is not similarly situated.

Clark would have been a logical choice for expansion had the capacity of Manila airport was filling to the brim, operation and terminal wise. Remember, Terminal and runway capacity are two different things.

For much clearer comparison, take a closer look at the history of HANEDA and NARITA airports in Tokyo and what led to the latter's construction. Never mind the problems they went into. The point is that Haneda can't take additional capacity anymore necessitating its construction.

Like what I said before in the previous thread, Manila, despite its two runway system is nowhere near the capacity of London Gatwick at 35 million pax per annum despite it using a single runway and it still has room for more. Manila currently caters at 21 million. Even if Terminal 3 is operated at full capacity, it will still be less than 30 million. Despite CAAP's claim that it was, in reality it was not. The logic there is that they are just playing politics to enable expanding airlines to consider Clark airport too.

Whats very wrong in the loan proposal for the Clark Terminal is that the government is again counting already the flight entitlement to Clark as future source of revenue when only a handful manage to mount flights there. Its like counting chicks before the eggs hatches. What they should have done is count it when its already chickens. Meaning, flights actually do exists. Thats why it project proposal was disapproved outright by foreign lenders from Japan and Korea for economic non-viability. Surely, you wont see those things heading the newsroom. I think the Chinese Eximbank are too burned out with their Northrail and ZTE broadband projects that they shy away from funding this airport projects in the meantime.

Remember the Davao International Airport construction project which I told you about and how it led ADB to changed its position relative to future airport construction projects in the Philippines to be based on actual passenger traffic and not based on government projections declared by them to be bloated. That's whats been happening at Bacolod and Iloilo as well as Cagayan de Oro projects which was supposed to be constructed in the early 90's if based on our government's projections. Imagine, its happening again. I don't understand why its very difficult to learn when its supposed to be simple.

No wonder too CIAC have problems negotiating with a BOT contractor that they can't agree to its design capacity because the Middle Eastern Investors wanted something smaller commensurate with capacity and anticipate projection relative to Manila's remaining free capacity which is pegged at 37 million. And maybe grow from there. CIAC wanted bigger and I honestly don't understand why they kept that unreasonable figure.

Coincidentally, the one that won the bid has no experience at airport operations so how competent they can get? Thats probably why the American firm offered more because maybe they don't have a clue at all. After all else failed, they suddenly realized the wind isn't blowing their way and finally adopted the modular approach which they should have done from the start.

All great airports of the world from JFK, ORD, LHR to LAX and other mega airports started this way. How can Clark be any different? It would have been a good choice if Manila is closing down like what was happening at Bangkok or Hong Kong airports but it wasn't the case here.

Clearly, all options are not there anymore except the trick for a smaller terminal which was originally proposed by the losing bidder. It was a great plan. I think that was a wakeup call for them. Because they end up with nothing. New proposals are now floating on the air and I hope the new BOT proponent will fly with it.

However, with the aviation climate we have, it may not come within the next two to three years and CIAC may rethink its position again. As I said, It would be another 10 years before Clark starts to realize its worth assuming Manila grows at its present phase to be the next Narita in Asia.

One thing is certain though, Clark is growing to be the next gateway. :)[/Qi

ano pala sabi na isa lang ang runway nang airport sa LONDON,:lol:lima nga terminal.at pagagawa pa nila yun 3rd run way nila:lol:
at ano sabi mo na 15 years pa sa subic ang FEDEX,2010 na lang sila.ilan airport naba sa earth ang napuntahan mo kapatid:)

chris_nigel

January 22nd, 2009, 05:40 AM

pag natapos na yung northrail madali na makakapunta dyan..makapunta nga

kiretoce

January 22nd, 2009, 07:28 AM

http://www.williamdemarest.com/images/BAC1-11/philippine-bac111-1.jpg

Source: http://www.williamdemarest.com/BAC1-11.htm

kiretoce

January 22nd, 2009, 07:33 AM

http://hawaii.gov/hawaiiaviation/publications/above-the-pacific-by-william-j-horvat-1966/images/PhilippineAirLines.jpg

Source: http://hawaii.gov/hawaiiaviation/publications/above-the-pacific-by-william-j-horvat-1966/14-the-airlines-in-hawaii

kiretoce

January 22nd, 2009, 08:01 AM

MH - Malaysia Airlines

http://www.travelquality.com/flights/pictures/cabincrew/Malaysian/malaysian002.jpghttp://www.travelquality.com/flights/pictures/cabincrew/Malaysian/malaysian001.jpg

PR - Philippine Airlines

http://www.travelquality.com/flights/pictures/cabincrew/PhilippineAirlines/Crew_Philipinneairlines_02.jpghttp://www.travelquality.com/flights/pictures/cabincrew/PhilippineAirlines/Crew_Philipinneairlines_01.jpg

SQ - Singapore Airlines

http://www.travelquality.com/flights/pictures/cabincrew/SingaporeAirlines/sq_cabincrew_008.jpghttp://www.travelquality.com/flights/pictures/cabincrew/SingaporeAirlines/sq_cabincrew_006.jpg

VN - Vietname Airlines

http://www.travelquality.com/flights/pictures/cabincrew/VietnamAirlines/Vietnamairlinescrew_002.jpghttp://www.travelquality.com/flights/pictures/cabincrew/VietnamAirlines/Vietnamairlinescrew_001.jpg

Source: http://www.travelquality.com/

chuck23

January 22nd, 2009, 09:23 AM

^^ Mas unique ung suot ng stewards ng Malaysia Airlines..di common.

Govinda

January 22nd, 2009, 10:24 AM

SQ - Singapore Airlines

http://www.travelquality.com/flights/pictures/cabincrew/SingaporeAirlines/sq_cabincrew_008.jpghttp://www.travelquality.com/flights/pictures/cabincrew/SingaporeAirlines/sq_cabincrew_006.jpg

Source: http://www.travelquality.com/

Just extra information :)

SQ cabin crew uniform or sarong kebaya (Female):

Midnight Blue - Inflight Supervisor
Red - Chief Stewardess
Green - Leading Sterwardess
Blue (as in the photo above) - Stewardess

chris_nigel

January 22nd, 2009, 12:25 PM

ang galing nio naman nakuha nio pa yan..nice pics bagay na bagay sa thread na to

"ZukiChirO"

January 22nd, 2009, 01:16 PM

edit^^

a s i a n a

January 22nd, 2009, 03:04 PM

MH - Malaysia Airlines

http://www.travelquality.com/flights/pictures/cabincrew/Malaysian/malaysian002.jpg

--

SQ - Singapore Airlines

http://www.travelquality.com/flights/pictures/cabincrew/SingaporeAirlines/sq_cabincrew_008.jpghttp://www.travelquality.com/flights/pictures/cabincrew/SingaporeAirlines/sq_cabincrew_006.jpg

Source: http://www.travelquality.com/

Yikes, MH male flight attendants have the worst inflight uniforms ever!:ohno: Hindi tuloy bagay sa MH stewardesses.

Well, tinatanong pa ba 'yan? SQ wins, all the way.:)

arianespace

January 22nd, 2009, 03:50 PM

PHILIPPINE AIRLINES - A CASE FOR AIRBUS

http://businessmirror.com.ph/images/stories/Daily_Images/12222008/top-pic02.jpg
Beneath John Leahy's smile is a future deal worth more than a billion dollars
and Jaime Bautista is not talking

As a Consortium, Airbus S.A.S begun its official relationship with Philippine Airlines with the delivery of A300B4 planes. PAL actually bought 5 pieces of those great aircraft.

Its relationship with Europe however dates way back starting with Vickers of United Kingdom.

The Airbus connection started with the one eleven.

The BAC 1-11 story began in the 1950s as Vickers Armstrong and Hunting Aircraft. In May 1961, British United Airways, now British Airways, ordered the first 10 aircraft. First delivery was made in July 28, 1963.

By 1964 Philippine Airlines Ordered the Aircraft. Delivery was made in 1966. PAL's first 1-11 is registered PI-C1191/RP-C1161. It flew major domestic points starting from Cebu then Bacolod before it went to Davao.

Vickers Armstrong and Hunting Aircraft Company becomes British Aircraft Company(BAC) so the name BAC-111. By 1965, the Vickers plane officially became BAC. In 1977, it morphed again to become British Aerospace then morphed again to become part of Aérospatiale-BAC which produced the Concorde, the precursor of the Airbus consortium.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3499/3206902504_3a6f5edbc2.jpg
Concorde was offered to Philippine Airlines in 1971.
It first appeared on Philippine Skies for sale and demonstration tour.
It went to 14 airports in 12 countries.
Goriob correctly pointed the month it was here sometime of June of 1972.
It arrived in the afternoon of June 10 from Singapore and stayed in Manila over night.
It flew the next day before 9am to Tokyo.
PAL evaluated its potential for US flights and Europe flights.
The Oil crisis of 1973 took a toll from 4 possible PAL orders.
PAL instead ordered the economically feasible DC-10

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President Marcos revived interest on the Concorde in 1976.
He suggested operating lease in favor of re-nationalized Philippine airlines.
BAC wanted a sale for two. Marcos agreed if the British government would allow PAL to have landing rights at Heathrow.
But its feud with Malaysia, its former colony, hampered the deal. The deal was eventually abandoned.
Marcos made massive orders to Boeing in the face of the British refusal to let him enter Heathrow.
Learning the Concorde lessons, UK finally agreed upon France prodding to let PAL in when Airbus 300B4 was offered.

Philippine Airlines first European made plane is the Vickers Viscount 784 replacing the Douglas built DC-4.

The Philippines first official passenger jet is the BAC1-11 which it owned followed by DC-8 Douglas Corporation now Boeing. It operated the latter on operating lease while the former is operated through finance lease.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3127/3203921620_730f406a61.jpg

Its first Boeing connection was the lone wet lease Boeing 707 before it was replaced by DC-8. DC-8 was replaced by DC-10 and subsequently the B747.
PAL officially owned a Boeing plane when it ordered the 727 and the 747-200 which was delivered to them in 1979.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3449/3208077682_cc0c54ca59.jpg?v=0

http://l.yimg.com/g/images/spaceball.gif

BAC1-11 served the Philippines for more than 25 years before it was replaced by Boeing 737's in 1992. However, only 3 planes were bought as the rest were operating leases from a Dublin Based Aircraft lessor. You must have noticed the EI-CVO, EI-CVN etc.. registries. Because in 1992 Airbus started courting PAL to get the first generation 320 instead. It succeeded ordering 12 with first delivery starting 1996 (RP-C2021) but managed to get hold of 4 frames because of the 1997 financial crisis leading to its knees in 1999.

Boeing, at the same time lobbied for its 737, 767, and 777 as PAL ordered already 8 new 744 and 4 leases. Airbus managed to show more tricks on its sleeves by giving more value for money other than the cost of its planes. PAL ended up ordering 8 330 with 4 leases and 4 340 with 4 more leases. In 2000, it managed to get 4 320, 8 330, and 4 340. All wide-body orders were completely delivered. PAL on the other hand took only 4 744s. For Airbus leniency during its trying times when it deferred the 8 320 orders, it pulled 6 more 320 orders totaling 15, excluding operating leases. Boeing on the other hand pushed them to the wall, so to speak. Thats why I said no love lost to them.

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/0/1/2/1394210.jpg

Although on its own, the Airbus economics proved to be better off for PAL's operation than its Boeing counterpart as shown 10 years later, starting with the 767 and the 777. It was not after Boeing introduced the 777-300ER series that its fortune started to reverse in 2000. World Orders were later converted to the next gen 777 series. It took PAL six years to order the plane because of its rehabilitation and settlement with Boeing although it manifested to acquire it as early as 2004. At that time, Airbus again manages to bring its magic trick to convince PAL to buy the 346. Had it not for the remaining 4 undelivered 747 deposit which would be forfeited in Boeing's favor if its not taken, PAL would have 5 346 and 3 leases. That would proved a blessing in disguise for them.

After intense negotiation, Boeing agreed to convert PAL's remaining 744 orders to the 777NG. But Airbus did not stopped there despite the 346 setback. Its starting again a conscious courtship ritual to enable the Tan led airline to consider the Queen of the skies and Mr. Tan is very pleased with the offer.

In sum, all can be told that Airbus is one step always ahead of Boeing.

The next big thing comes with the XWB.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3435/3217049697_53ee5613d7.jpg?v=0

I wish I can publish the recent Airbus presentation to Philippine Airlines here. Or maybe somebody could. I still have the trust of my friends modesty aside.

Oh well, better keep my mouth shut!:angel:

dexter06

January 22nd, 2009, 06:52 PM

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Wow, thanks a lot Bitoy. Just checked now as i was real busy the past couple of days. I feel wierd viewing as i was silently cheering the passengers to get out fast (much like watching a movie), only that this is for real.

dexter06

January 22nd, 2009, 06:56 PM

And wow, the BAC-111, as a child, i remember taking a couple of flights on those. Not really a plane expert, but i heard this is one among the most reliable aircraft of PAL. It was fully used and was replaced by the 737s in the 90s (or late 80s?).

raffy_east

January 22nd, 2009, 07:09 PM

Cebu Pacific flew 6.7M passengers in 08,
sees 9.3M this year

Low-fare airline Cebu Pacific (CEB), the Philippines’ largest domestic carrier flew 6.7 million passengers last year for a 23-percent growth over its 2007 figure, cementing its leadership position in the industry.

The airline expects to fly 9.3 million passengers this year as it takes delivery of six new planes, and expand its route network in the country and in Asia.

Lance Gokongwei, CEB President and CEO, said, “We carried 5.38 million domestic passengers last year, up 20.7 percent from 2007, while international passengers rose by 33 percent, from one million to 1.4 million.”

He explained, “This growth can be attributed to the increase in our seat capacity coupled with our trademark low fares. We were able to successfully convince more Filipinos to travel by air despite economic uncertainties. 2008 challenged us to look for ways to stimulate travel and sustain our domestic and international operations.”

CEB pioneered all-inclusive fares in the domestic air travel market and introduced the phenomenal ‘Go Lite’ fares that gave discounts to travelers without check-in luggage.

Gokongwei added, “We will continue to look for ways to deliver a simple and reliable product and the public can expect more innovation from CEB this year.”

CEB expects to take delivery of 6 new aircraft (3 Airbus A320 and 3 ATR 72-500) this year and expand services accordingly.

The airline grew its total number of destinations in 2008 to 42, from 32 in 2007, and its number of routes to 63 from 43. Of these, domestic destinations rose from 20 to 27 while domestic routes increased from 28 to 39.

Now on its 13th year, CEB has the youngest aircraft fleet in the country. It flies to 15 international cities and 27, soon to be 32 domestic destinations with the addition of Siargao, Catarman, Calbayog, Cauayan (Isabela), and Virac (Cantanduanes) in the coming months.

boom_box

January 22nd, 2009, 07:44 PM

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3499/3206902504_3a6f5edbc2.jpg
I love this shot... Priceless and very historical in the Philippine Aviation Industry..
too bad Concorde is now only a history and G-BSST in now sitting in a museum...

http://i1.ebayimg.com/02/i/001/2b/ee/2087_1.JPG

if today's flight from MNL-HKG would take 2 hours... how about Concorde..? 30 mins..? or 1 hour..? hehe.. ang lapit lang kasi ng HKG...

malvinjordan

January 23rd, 2009, 12:39 AM

did pal cut its services to chegdu and chongqing? didn't they just start services there lyk last yr? why?

kiretoce

January 23rd, 2009, 04:46 AM

^^ It poor load factors, high jet fuel prices, and the downturn in the global economy forced PAL to terminate services.

kiretoce

January 23rd, 2009, 04:56 AM

Mas unique ung suot ng stewards ng Malaysia Airlines..di common.

Female FAs of SQ (Singapore Airlines), MH (Malaysia Airlines), and GA (Garuda Indonesia) all wear their own version of the Sarong Kebaya, the traditional dress of the Malay people. SQ is famous for that look because it's been the anchor trademark for the airline in their numerous "Singapore Girl" ads and commercials.

Hey folks, I don't know if any of you noticed this, but all the national/flagship carriers in Southeast Asia, their FAs all wear traditional clothing representing their respective countries, except for PR. Philippine Airlines used to be like that as well, circa 1980s, but they decided to change it to the more western-looking business attire. Then on the flip side, East Asian carriers like JL (Japan Airlines), KE (Korean Air), OZ (Asiana Airlines), and CX (Cathay Pacific Airways) are all dressed in conventional western uniforms.

[dx]

January 23rd, 2009, 06:16 AM

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/2403/airlines20clark1zg5.jpg
The Spirit Leasing Corporation has signed a dry lease agreement with Spirit of Manila Airlines utilizing the B737-300 aircraft which is in demand for Southeast Asian market both for cargo and passenger use. (PNA Photo By Eric Apolonio) - PNA (http://www.pna.gov.ph/index.php?nid=21)

VJSean

January 23rd, 2009, 07:23 AM

WOOO! It's about time they get a pic up of Spirit of Manila! Looks alrite!!! haha!

bustero

January 23rd, 2009, 10:47 AM

Very cool update, Arianne.:cheers:

PR Airbus connection is long and deep. Look forward to seeing the whalejet in PR livery. I actually suspected as much seeing as the current 744's will start really getting old by the next mid decade and the costs go up and leahy forever watching this! With the lower baggage requirement, the possibility to increase pax density for the whalejet should make this very interesting for PR. Of course that would be really tight at the back or lower deck :lol:

chris_nigel

January 23rd, 2009, 11:14 AM

;31158968']http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/2403/airlines20clark1zg5.jpg
The Spirit Leasing Corporation has signed a dry lease agreement with Spirit of Manila Airlines utilizing the B737-300 aircraft which is in demand for Southeast Asian market both for cargo and passenger use. (PNA Photo By Eric Apolonio) - PNA (http://www.pna.gov.ph/index.php?nid=21)

wow ang ganda ng logo nila pag nasa ibang bansa ka at nakita mo yan lalo ka mahohomesick.. tnx sa nag post kala ko sa drawing lang yan makikita

lovely_aiko

January 24th, 2009, 01:08 AM

http://i40.tinypic.com/2w56o82.jpg

Spirit of Manila will launch its maiden service to Macau from Clark on March 2 and to Taipei on March 3.

kiretoce

January 24th, 2009, 01:10 AM

^^ Uhmm....honey, that eye shadow has gotta go! :lol: Oh, and take the headdress as well. :colgate:

mwg12a

January 24th, 2009, 01:24 AM

chris_nigel

January 24th, 2009, 01:59 AM

nice mag ooperate na sila tama ka medyo panget pero i'm sure sa nagdadala na yun ng damit hope mag boom ang company na yan para makabili agad A380 ayus yun

kiretoce

January 24th, 2009, 02:43 AM

You didn't like that? I mean the headdress??? Looks the same as Korean air or I guess that was Asianna Airlines just different color, just fitting for a flight attendant uniform. Now, Aretha Franklyn's headdresss during Obama's inauguration? That one is just hideous!!! he he

With me, if it's not practical, do away with it. What purpose does wearing a hat/headdress have with their duties and responsibilities as an FA? I understand that Middle Eastern carriers require their FAs to wear headdresses in keeping with Islamic law, but for non-muslim carriers, I deem it as unnecessary.

betro

January 24th, 2009, 03:35 AM

Montecito_kid

January 24th, 2009, 05:20 AM

ngprofflorida

January 24th, 2009, 06:19 AM

http://i40.tinypic.com/2w56o82.jpg

Spirit of Manila will launch its maiden service to Macau from Clark on March 2 and to Taipei on March 3.

wow beautiful.... :banana::banana::banana::banana:

hikouki

January 24th, 2009, 10:10 AM

http://i40.tinypic.com/2w56o82.jpg

Spirit of Manila will launch its maiden service to Macau from Clark on March 2 and to Taipei on March 3.

Nakakatakot.(scary):?

heightdeprived

January 24th, 2009, 10:36 AM

mwg12a

January 24th, 2009, 11:13 AM

NO, that was different, it was a 747 South African Airlines.

With me, if it's not practical, do away with it. What purpose does wearing a hat/headdress have with their duties and responsibilities as an FA? I understand that Middle Eastern carriers require their FAs to wear headdresses in keeping with Islamic law, but for non-muslim carriers, I deem it as unnecessary.

That's like pretty much saying cops needs to lose their soft hats, cops are not necessarily muslims. Navy wears hat, they don't necessarily need it fwhen performing their duties and responsibilities. It just goes with proper presentation, you don't need to wear it while serving in the cabin as a FA, it's like the apron t, they only needed apron when necessary but not directly part of their garbment... Ofcourse, somehow, it's okay to go without them hat, but sometimes, as part of a formal presentation, you would have proper attire. I guess I'm old school... we all know that most FA in the past and in history, you would see FA with hats, that's probably where i got it from....

heightdeprived

January 24th, 2009, 01:43 PM

I really think it's the Ethiopian 767 :)

Chrisvenz

January 24th, 2009, 03:40 PM

Nakakatakot.(scary):?

haha :lol:

ianers_ianized

January 24th, 2009, 04:07 PM

With me, if it's not practical, do away with it. What purpose does wearing a hat/headdress have with their duties and responsibilities as an FA? I understand that Middle Eastern carriers require their FAs to wear headdresses in keeping with Islamic law, but for non-muslim carriers, I deem it as unnecessary.

I agree, I don't know what the hat/headress purpose? Maybe for formality w/ the uniform or bec. of cold weathers in other countries for proctection..

PAL's planned and naunsyaming uniform has also the hat concept onits FA's

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/ianers_ianized/Stewardess7.jpg

in_a_rush

January 24th, 2009, 06:27 PM

pampagulo lang yung hat. they can do their job better without it.

mwg12a

January 25th, 2009, 01:44 AM

Well, they are not supposed to wear those hat while serving their clients. That's just for presentation before they also board the aircraft and while they greet you. Just to be presentable and professional looking. I know you don't have to have a hat for that necessarily but it's like an added bonus for them to make a statement of some sort. They look good when walking down the concorse where all the passengers can see them. Captains and co-pilot usually wear hats outside the aircraft but they take it off once they are in the cockpit. Ever notice them walking down the walkways in concourse as if they are all in a parade? It's like sending a sense of professionalism and command. It shows a little bit of an authority. FA serves as a soldier or police when up in the air. They don't just serve food, they are also there to ensure safety and enforce FAA regulations, so, in away, they convey this sense of authority that's why they usually wear hat even back in the days where aviation and commercial air travel just started.

Askal82

January 25th, 2009, 04:30 AM

Nakakatakot.(scary):?

That's what I thought too. :lol:

kiretoce

January 25th, 2009, 04:33 AM

^^ It'll be like Halloween everytime you fly with them. :lol:

swahi

January 25th, 2009, 05:18 AM

I really think it's the Ethiopian 767 :)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopian_Airlines_Flight_961

This is part of the article...

Flight 961 was hijacked on 23 November 1996 en route from Addis Ababa to Nairobi on a Bombay-Addis Ababa-Nairobi-Brazzaville-Lagos-Abidjan route, by three Ethiopians seeking political asylum. The plane crash-landed in the Indian Ocean near Comoros after running out of fuel, killing 125 of the 175 passengers and crew on board.

the Boeing 767-260ER (nicknamed "Zulu" by Ethiopian Airlines pilots)[1], entered Kenyan airspace, three Ethiopian men charged the cockpit and hijacked the airplane

heightdeprived

January 25th, 2009, 05:39 AM

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They've stretched the upper deck all the way to the rear, making use of the available ceiling space. Being cabins at the rear half of the fuselage, they're windowless, and makes them more suitable for the claustrophobic...

sonnyville

January 25th, 2009, 08:46 PM

personally i think the 748i is just right for PAL, and should be the main aircraft in it's longhaul fleet along with the 777. but a couple a380 in the fleet is not too bad also. maybe they can do an interior that represents our country, philipiniana in style, but also providing excellent service, presentation, and product. the new reconfigured aircrafts are very nice and spacious. :) they did a good job.

Pao_hotiee_20

January 26th, 2009, 05:31 AM

Does PAL have any plans to buy a A380>>>> or just lease of such plane

boom_box

January 26th, 2009, 06:57 AM

MadTV - Budget Airlines :lol: :rofl:

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United Airlines Parody

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habagatcentral1

January 26th, 2009, 02:24 PM

Wala lang....:D
http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/3/photos/312/600x600/64/BuenaMano71.jpg?et=UTaakc7UEDmtgylrS5FTng&nmid=181841481

boom_box

January 26th, 2009, 02:50 PM

^^ oh yeah!!!!! thanks habagat

kudos to 5J... they hire the best FA even their service is pathetic sometimes.. hehe

habagatcentral1

January 26th, 2009, 02:51 PM

http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/3/photos/312/600x600/55/BuenaMano62.jpg?et=FINk5fPMOMi%2BexVp17cJqQ&nmid=181841481

http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/3/photos/312/600x600/78/BuenaMano85.jpg?et=3Idxvgv4Cthanj9Ob%2CjH7g&nmid=181841481

zoroethgenre_003

January 26th, 2009, 03:24 PM

Roxas Airport Terminal in Capiz

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a9/Roxas_Airport.jpg

Daniel Z. Romualdes Airport

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/48/Tacloban_Airport.jpg/800px-Tacloban_Airport.jpg

zoroethgenre_003

January 26th, 2009, 03:26 PM

Dipolog Airport

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6c/Dipolog_Airport_Terminal.jpg

zoroethgenre_003

January 26th, 2009, 03:27 PM

Sibulan Airport

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/83/Dumaguete_airport.jpg/800px-Dumaguete_airport.jpg

zoroethgenre_003

January 26th, 2009, 03:28 PM

Legazpi Airport

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/Airport_Parking_Area.jpg

zoroethgenre_003

January 26th, 2009, 03:30 PM

Godofredo Ramos Airport

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/9d/Caticlan_Airport.jpg/800px-Caticlan_Airport.jpg

manileño

January 26th, 2009, 05:01 PM

hi. does anyone know what these transformers are and what exactly they do to the plane? i know i've seen these robots before but haven't really bothered to ask anyone what they really were,... at first i thought they were cleaning machines but the greenish liquid being spewed out tells me they could be something else, what's their actual purpose?

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa281/manileno/IMG_0244.jpg

http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa281/manileno/IMG_0246.jpg

this reminds me of the exorcist
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa281/manileno/IMG_0247.jpg

and then their friends come by to molest another plane
http://i203.photobucket.com/albums/aa281/manileno/IMG_0248.jpg

boom_box

January 26th, 2009, 05:41 PM

^^ those are de-icing machines, typically Type IV liquid is being applied... primarily used to avoid icing on hydraulics system on aircraft...

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/1314209/
Type I De-Ice fluid is orange in color, and is mixed 50/50 with water if I recall (it's been a while since I took that course). It's been orange for as long as I can remember. It's "served" hot, and is used to remove contaminants (accumulated snow) from wings and control surfaces.

It's not so much a "foam" as it is an airated spray coming out of the hose (somewhat like water out of a fire hose nozzle), so it can look foamy going onto the surfaces of the plane.

Type IV Anti-Ice fluid is green in color, and has the consistancy somewhat similar to Palmolive dish soap, somewhat thicker. It's "served" colder and at lower pressure than Type I, and is used (actually, it's sort of "sprinkled on," depending on the competancy of the operator) after Type I application to prevent further accumulation of contaminants on taxi and runway take-off.

heightdeprived

January 26th, 2009, 06:01 PM

Does PAL have any plans to buy a A380>>>> or just lease of such plane

basing on what I can see on the news, mukhang may plano, ewan lang kung mag materialize...

mwg12a

January 27th, 2009, 12:46 AM

ryanr

January 27th, 2009, 12:47 AM

mwg12a

January 27th, 2009, 12:55 AM

ryanr

January 27th, 2009, 01:02 AM

OT, do you guys get canadian citizenship right away in canada upon arrival (landed) or you guys have to wait 5 years to get canadian citizenship?

Manileno looks like he was in a NWA flight on that one first picture, because of the red winglet. Just curious is all...

One has to wait 3 years before acquiring citizenship. I don't know if the system has changed, but I think it is now 5 years for newer immigrants. My application is with the government right now...just waiting right now, and I should be a citizen soon.

manileño

January 27th, 2009, 02:37 AM

thanks boombox, mwg12a and ryanr for confirming my original hunch. :D

As a fellow Canadian, I'm disappointed that you don't know what they are. The cold, ice and therefore de-icers should be common knowledge to Canadians.

nah, j/k Juan.:)

haha! i knew it had something to do with the cold seeing that there is snow on the ground :lol: but to validate your concern ryan, yes, im not canadian haha. im a perpetual foreign student/worker hehe ;)

Manileno looks like he was in a NWA flight on that one first picture, because of the red winglet. Just curious is all...

thats right, it was an NWA flight leaving Montreal-Trudeau for Detroit. i was on one of those 50-seater regional jets bound for holidays.

oh good luck and bonne chance ryan! on behalf of Gilles Duceppe and the rest of the Bloc Quebecois, nous vous felicitons par avance! congratulations in advance! :D :D

oninBadz

January 27th, 2009, 03:34 AM

^^ those are de-icing machines, typically Type IV liquid is being applied... primarily used to avoid icing on hydraulics system on aircraft...

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/1314209/
although it has these three types of anti-freeze with their corresponding colors,then it should contain the most basic anti-freeze GLYCOL,also used as coolant for cars and anti-freeze on frozen regions..amazing hej...nowadays aircrafts use high pressure warm air to clear off some ice on the mainshield during approach at extreme weather condition...absolutely no agua...

brownislander

January 27th, 2009, 06:50 AM

Gaya-gaya naman yang Zest Air sa paint scheme ng Cebu Pacific

http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/3/photos/312/600x600/55/BuenaMano62.jpg?et=FINk5fPMOMi%2BexVp17cJqQ&nmid=181841481

http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/3/photos/312/600x600/78/BuenaMano85.jpg?et=3Idxvgv4Cthanj9Ob%2CjH7g&nmid=181841481

benchjade

January 27th, 2009, 07:15 AM

oo nga no

kiretoce

January 27th, 2009, 07:45 AM

A lot of airlines places emphasis on the tail for their liveries. It's the place where their logo or emblem can be best seen and identified. So, there will be some similarities between the carriers, and it's not because they're copying off from one another.

mwg12a

January 27th, 2009, 09:35 AM

I think i like that ZestAir livery. Makes you thirsty sometimes...

I dont think they copied 5J as well. I have seen other airlines do the same design, just different color.

Does the original Zest Air company or name has good safety record? I would fly Zest Air since they have a newer and seems reliable aircraft like A320.

federalist

January 27th, 2009, 01:07 PM

they copy. it's still the same concept.

Montecito_kid

January 27th, 2009, 04:00 PM

The tail logo of Allegiant looks like PAL's

http://members.dslextreme.com/users/junsan/Post/allege.jpg

mwg12a

January 27th, 2009, 04:50 PM

they copy. it's still the same concept.

If you really haven't noticed. Cebu Pacific's design goes all the way at the bottom to the front (yellow color) , Zest Air ends at the tail end only. Cebu Pacific logo and design is not exclusive to them, that Photo posted by Montecito_kid almost has similar pattern, Allegiant Air was there even before Cebu Pacific changed their design to that of yellow tail and bottom. so it is NOT REALLY COPIED, yes similar concept but it goes to almost every other airliners in the world. You can surf for many airliners with similar pattern. Who is copying who or what then?

arianespace

January 28th, 2009, 01:48 AM

^^
The tail logo of Allegiant looks like PAL's

http://members.dslextreme.com/users/junsan/Post/allege.jpg

Or was it the other way around? 1986 and 1997 are long separate periods of time. Which do you think copied which?

Although I agree that it really doesn't matter what liveries airlines wear. As long as they can fill the seats, then to hell with the designs.

lovely_aiko

January 28th, 2009, 04:33 AM

http://i.pbase.com/g6/78/737778/2/73878223.G2lZW8UG.jpg
Philippines Airlines' Rising Sun

vs.

http://news.cheapflights.com/photos/uncategorized/2007/04/19/allegianttail.jpg
Allegian Air's Sun

kiretoce

January 28th, 2009, 04:43 AM

They are alike, but does that even matter? Anyway, Allegiant Air started in 1997, while PAL's current livery came into being in the mid 1980s. Figure it out.

chris_nigel

January 28th, 2009, 05:08 AM

They are alike, but does that even matter? Anyway, Allegiant Air started in 1997, while PAL's current livery came into being in the mid 1980s. Figure it out.

http://www.philippineairlines.com/about_pal/milestones/milestones.jsp

d lang po mid 80's its the FIRST AIRLINE COMPANY IN ASIA mid 1940's pa po ata yan

kiretoce

January 28th, 2009, 05:11 AM

^^ I meant the current PAL livery came out in the mid-80s, not the airline company itself.

ericlucky290

January 28th, 2009, 12:36 PM

Cebu Pacific to fly to Siargao in March (http://business.inquirer.net/money/breakingnews/view/20090128-186087/Cebu-Pacific-to-fly-to-Siargao-in-March)
By Jeffrey M. Tupas
Mindanao Bureau
First Posted 17:13:00 01/28/2009

DAVAO CITY, Philippines -- Cebu Pacific will service Mindanao's surfing capital, Siargao Island, starting March.

According to the airline, its planes will start flying to Siargao from Cebu about two months before the expected influx of tourists for the annual surfing festival.

"This will make Cebu Pacific the first commercial airline to fly to Siargao. The company will also open in February direct flights from Cebu to Cotabato and Manila-Catarman and Calbayog in Samar; Virac in Catanduanes, and Cauayan in Isabela Province," RG Orense, Cebu Pacific communications officer, told reporters Tuesday.

A Manila-Siargao flight was also being finalized, he said.

Orense said the increase in passenger load also prompted them to add one more flight for the Davao-Manila route. Currently, Cebu Pacific has five Manila-bound flights daily from Davao City.

In a statement, Lance Gokongwei, Cebu Pacific president and chief executive officer, said that the growth "can be attributed to the increase in our seat capacity coupled with our trademark low fares."

In 2008, the airline company flew 6.7 million passengers and was optimistic the number would increase to 9.3 million in 2009, he said.

"We were able to successfully convince more Filipinos to travel by air despite economic uncertainties. 2008 challenged us to look for ways to stimulate travel and sustain our domestic and international operations. We will continue to look for ways to deliver a simple and reliable product and the public can expect more innovation from Cebu Pacific this year," he said.

chris_nigel

January 28th, 2009, 12:48 PM

^^ I meant the current PAL livery came out in the mid-80s, not the airline company itself.

ahh ok pero since then parang rising sun na din gamit nila nung 80's lang huling nabago yun livery nila

"ZukiChirO"

January 28th, 2009, 12:53 PM

CAB approves more flights to Japan

MANILA, Philippines - The Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB) has approved the separate applications of three local airlines to increase flights to Japan.

An official from the regulator’s Air Rights and Operating Division said the applications of Air Philippines, Cebu Pacific and Zest Airways for flights to Japan were approved at a meeting on Thursday.

Cebu Pacific, which now offers three weekly round-trip flights to Osaka, Japan from Manila, sought the CAB’s permission to increase the service to once daily.

Zest Airways, formerly Asian Spirit, also got the go-signal to fly once daily to Osaka from Manila, and once daily from Cebu to Fukuoka.

"The market in Japan is a combination of tourists and overseas Filipino workers that have families there," Zest Airways Chairman Alfredo M. Yao said in an interview Tuesday.

While CAB officials have admitted that traffic between the two countries has declined as a result of the slowing global economy, Mr. Yao, who also owns juice maker Zest-O Corp., remained optimistic. Zest Airways plans to mount its new flights starting May.

"We intend to use these entitlements as soon as we can," Candice A. Iyog, Cebu Pacific vice-president for marketing, said in a separate phone interview.

But the Gokongwei-owned budget carrier had yet to decide when it would use the air rights.

Efforts to reach Air Philippines officials were unsuccessful.

Presently, the only local carriers offering flights to Japan are Cebu Pacific and flag carrier Philippine Airlines (PAL).

PAL flies from Cebu to Osaka twice weekly. The Lucio Tan-owned carrier revived the service in October, which it stopped offering in 2001 in the wake of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks in the US.

Zest Airways said it had not decided on the ticket price for its Japan service. Both PAL and Cebu Pacific’s regular roundtrip flights to Japan cost around $500. — Paolo Luis G. Montecillo, BusinessWorld

davaob4now

January 28th, 2009, 04:19 PM

Economy International passenger volume rises amid higher flying costs01/07/2009 | 07:41 PM

MANILA, Philippines - International passenger volume in the Philippines rose from January to September 2008 despite the higher cost of flying, the Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB) said.
Data from the air travel regulator showed that international passenger traffic stood at 9.17 million from January to September, 8.56 percent higher than the number of passengers who flew to and from international destinations in the same months of 2007.

Inbound international passengers stood at 4.37 million as of September 2008, 19.75 percent higher than the incoming traffic as of the same month in 2007.

Outbound passengers rose at a slower pace of 6.92 percent with the 4.79 million passengers leaving the country for international destinations as of September 2008.

Lucio Tan's Philippine Airlines carried the most number of international passengers at 2.74 million as of end-September 2008. The Gokongweis' Cebu Pacific served a little over one million international passengers.

Top international airlines which served the Philippines as of end-September 2008 included Cathay Pacific with 1,067,270; Singapore Airlines, 415,828; Northwest Airlines, 383,104; Emirates Air, 321,191; Korean Air, 314,808; and Japan Airlines, 312,670.

The CAB said 43 international airlines are authorized to serve the Philippines market but only 35 carriers operated from January to September 2008.

Lufthansa Airlines was the last international carrier to cease operations in the Philippines in April 2008. Other carriers which no longer serve the Philippines despite their existing authority include Vietnam Airlines, Air Nauru, British Airways, SwissAir, EgyptAir, and P.T. Bouraq.

The CAB is still collating the full-year figure for 2008 but CAB deputy executive director Porvenir P. Porciuncula said the growth rate may have reached only ten percent. The country registered an 18 percent growth in international passenger volume in 2007.

Porciuncula said an even slower growth in international passenger traffic is expected along with a more adverse economic environment in 2009.

"With what is happening in the United States and Middle East, we may expect that there will be a slowdown in terms of traffic growth," Porciuncula said.

dexter06

January 28th, 2009, 06:26 PM

ahh ok pero since then parang rising sun na din gamit nila nung 80's lang huling nabago yun livery nila

The rising sun livery is a bit recent (80s). I suggest you look at the pic of a PAL Bac-111 on page 12 of this thread.

zoroethgenre_003

January 29th, 2009, 03:00 AM

An Airport in Palawan with Baggage Carrier..

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_fr8bANNQNJI/SHL4exPDh_I/AAAAAAAAAEI/gvU2XelKEKk/s1600/Palawan%2B013.jpg

lovely_aiko

January 29th, 2009, 03:49 AM

The rising sun livery is a bit recent (80s). I suggest you look at the pic of a PAL Bac-111 on page 12 of this thread.

Was designed and incorporated as PAL's new airplane and brand livery after the EDSA Revolution which gave way to Corazon Aquino in power after ousting dictator Ferdinand Marcos.

PAL's Presidnet then was Dante Santos, if I remember right.

Juan Pilgrim

January 29th, 2009, 04:22 AM

http://www.philippineairlines.com/Images/side_careers_tcm61-4225.jpg
http://photos-893.friendster.com/e1/photos/39/80/8850893/25254137411941l.jpg
http://photos.friendster.com/photos/24/46/24066442/845389562l.jpg
http://photos.friendster.com/photos/39/25/26485293/1_141403194l.jpg
...I think bagay naman yung uniforms ng mga FAs.

:horse:

Juan Pilgrim

January 29th, 2009, 04:30 AM

... pero on long haul/ flights saan sila matutulog?

dito kung gusto nilang mahiga...
http://photos-863.friendster.com/e1/photos/36/82/8112863/364513885l.jpg

...o kaya dito kung walang mahihigan...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v601/aquileiaa/blogger/Flight%20Attendants/PhilippineAirlines.jpg

:horse:

davaob4now

January 29th, 2009, 04:44 AM

^^
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

ngayon ko lang nakita ang mga PAL stewards with their unifroms, havent tried PAL kasi pag long flights..:)

kiretoce

January 29th, 2009, 05:24 AM

I don't know if y'all have noticed, but PR's flights to North America utilizes more "older looking" FAs while on their intra-Asia flights have the younger FAs.

ngprofflorida

January 29th, 2009, 06:22 AM

I don't know if y'all have noticed, but PR's flights to North America utilizes more "older looking" FAs while on their intra-Asia flights have the younger FAs.

I Agree with you.....:lol::lol::lol:

kiretoce

January 29th, 2009, 06:25 AM

^^ I think it's all about seniority in the company. Older FAs that have worked for PR a long time have first dibs on the routes they want to work on.

hakhaimo

January 29th, 2009, 06:29 AM

MH - Malaysia Airlines

http://www.travelquality.com/flights/pictures/cabincrew/Malaysian/malaysian002.jpg

Yikes, MH male flight attendants have the worst inflight uniforms ever!:ohno: Hindi tuloy bagay sa MH stewardesses.

He can be an in-flight magician... :lol:

kiretoce

January 29th, 2009, 06:32 AM

That makes me wonder....do we have any photos of male FA uniforms? Is there even a website for it? :dunno:

hakhaimo

January 29th, 2009, 09:50 AM

That makes me wonder....do we have any photos of male FA uniforms? Is there even a website for it? :dunno:

I found some...

http://www.johnnyjet.com/blog/uploaded_images/PictureForNewsletterMalaysiaKLtoTPEBread-751204.jpg

From: http://images.google.com.ph/imgres?imgurl=http://www.johnnyjet.com/blog/uploaded_images/PictureForNewsletterMalaysiaKLtoTPEBread-753818.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.johnnyjet.com/blog/2007_01_01_johnnyjetblog_archive.html&usg=__3x2CJD0aijY5Kdgb1s_AgshMpGs=&h=640&w=480&sz=54&hl=tl&start=23&um=1&tbnid=USKZb9qJeclqDM:&tbnh=137&tbnw=103&prev=/images%3Fq%3DMalaysia%2BFlight%2BAttendants%26start%3D20%26ndsp%3D20%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dtl%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2117/2143526744_42cec378df.jpg?v=0

From: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nahcnivek/2143526744/

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj235/hakhaimo/untitled-2.jpg

From: http://images.google.com.ph/imgres?imgurl=http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1320/554676702_a24d874ed2.jpg%3Fv%3D0&imgrefurl=http://www.flickr.com/photos/8945392%40N05/554676702/&usg=__vw-kCtcNuXSIyRcHHY6X8cETMTY=&h=374&w=500&sz=154&hl=tl&start=51&um=1&tbnid=g2-AVQqfVcldfM:&tbnh=97&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3DMalaysia%2BFlight%2BAttendants%26start%3D40%26ndsp%3D20%26um%3D1%26hl%3Dtl%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN

hakhaimo

January 29th, 2009, 09:52 AM

btw.... My mother was once an employee of KKIA, back then. Her uniform was the same with the flight attendants of Malaysia Airlines...

hakhaimo

January 29th, 2009, 12:34 PM

http://i40.tinypic.com/2w56o82.jpg

Spirit of Manila will launch its maiden service to Macau from Clark on March 2 and to Taipei on March 3.

Transform...

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj235/hakhaimo/Enhancement.jpg

^^ hahaha :lol:

Chrisvenz

January 29th, 2009, 01:04 PM

Air Asia FA's

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3135/3057355023_116d472689_b.jpg

i hope ganyan din FA's ng PAL, sexy and very attractive. Grabe ang ganda nila tignan. whew!

"ZukiChirO"

January 29th, 2009, 01:42 PM

Air Asia FA's

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3135/3057355023_116d472689_b.jpg

i hope ganyan din FA's ng PAL, sexy and very attractive. Grabe ang ganda nila tignan. whew!

pra silang nasa las vegas...magsusugal:lol::lol:^^^^

hikouki

January 29th, 2009, 03:34 PM

Was designed and incorporated as PAL's new airplane and brand livery after the EDSA Revolution which gave way to Corazon Aquino in power after ousting dictator Ferdinand Marcos.

PAL's Presidnet then was Dante Santos, if I remember right.

Won't PAL be planning on a livery change?

I heard they were supposed to have a new one during the refleeting of the late '90s just prior to the shutdown. I even read that it isn't EuroWhite anymore, but has royal blue as the dominant color on the belly.

jogavilz

January 29th, 2009, 04:08 PM

Won't PAL be planning on a livery change?

I heard they were supposed to have a new one during the refleeting of the late '90s just prior to the shutdown. I even read that it isn't EuroWhite anymore, but has royal blue as the dominant color on the belly.

tara i-email natin ang PAL para mapersuade natin sila hahaha

Sky Harbor

January 29th, 2009, 04:32 PM

I don't know if y'all have noticed, but PR's flights to North America utilizes more "older looking" FAs while on their intra-Asia flights have the younger FAs.

According to what I know, and based on PAL's motto, it's all about experience. :lol:

heightdeprived

January 29th, 2009, 05:02 PM

Air Asia FA's

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3135/3057355023_116d472689_b.jpg

i hope ganyan din FA's ng PAL, sexy and very attractive. Grabe ang ganda nila tignan. whew!

Looks like a photoshoot, I can't discount the possibility that they hired models to dress and pose as AK FA's, though yeah, given the benefit of the doubt they could also be among AK's superficial cream-of-the-crop flight stewards, but judging AK FA's roaming around LCCT, I still find 5J FA's prettier than those of AK...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3395/3236821044_af272546cf.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3503/3236821056_e3ea931976.jpg

hakhaimo

January 29th, 2009, 06:59 PM

WOW Philippines Livery of PAL by ~emlem_08~ (Google 3D Warehouse)

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj235/hakhaimo/Untitled-3.jpg

brownislander

January 29th, 2009, 10:37 PM

Sarah Geronimo is that you? haha

Transform...

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj235/hakhaimo/Enhancement.jpg

^^ hahaha :lol:

brownislander

January 29th, 2009, 10:40 PM

In the Philippines, pa-gandahan and at their 20's or early 30's ang mga FAs...Here in Canada di naman ganyan. Mga nasa 40's na nga yung iba but still presentable.

mwg12a

January 29th, 2009, 11:22 PM

Looks like a photoshoot, I can't discount the possibility that they hired models to dress and pose as AK FA's, though yeah, given the benefit of the doubt they could also be among AK's superficial cream-of-the-crop flight stewards, but judging AK FA's roaming around LCCT, I still find 5J FA's prettier than those of AK...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3395/3236821044_af272546cf.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3503/3236821056_e3ea931976.jpg

All airlines commercials would hire models, some just adds their actual employee if needed in a scene...

WOW Philippines Livery of PAL by ~emlem_08~ (Google 3D Warehouse)

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj235/hakhaimo/Untitled-3.jpg
God I hope not!!! Them looks U G L Y!!!

flipflop06

January 30th, 2009, 02:09 AM

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/2953/00000468zu6.jpg

But the way PAL has stuck this long to this late '80s designed livery, leads me to think that there is no plan for a change in design anytime soon.

However, I think that a complete redisgn for their cabin crew (flight attendants, pilots) is long overdue. The current uniform design has been used for almost 20 years now. New designs for cabin crew uniforms should have colors to coordinate with the cabin interiors of PAL's new and recently refurbished planes.

Also, senior flight attendants - those above 45 yo and overweight have to go. By experience flying PAL's lucrative trans Pacific routes, these senior flight attendants almost always are the norm rather than the exception. Known for their snooty attitudes (they disappear from view after each meal service!), I think they are giving PAL a bad rap. They sholud give way to the more friendly and with the right attidue younger junior flight attendants. Most here will agree they bring a sense or refreshing , vibrant aura when you fly the PAL friendly skies.

A suggestion then to PAL In Flight Management - impose a mandatory retirement age (say must retire at 45 or younger!) and a stract weight restriction watch for their flight attendants.

lovely_aiko

January 30th, 2009, 03:23 AM

Starting March 23, 2009, Philippines Airlines' will now offer dailly flights from Manila to Vancouver, BC utilizing A 340 aircraft. The airline currently flies five flights a week to Vancouver with continuing service to Las Vegas.

Pending FAA's lifting of Category 2 downgrade of the Philippines and with the addition of two brand new Boeing 777-300 ER aircraft by the last qurter of this year, this is how PAL's North America Schedule would look like by the peak fourth quarter of 2009 will look like:

- Manila - Los Angeles : 14x/week

One morning departure flight from Manila for LA utilizing 777 300 ER aircraft
One evening departure utilizing B744 aircraft

- Manila - San Francisco - 10x/week

Up from current 7 flight/week. The three extra flights will be utilizing PAL's A340 aircraft.

- Manila - Honolulu - 3 times/week

- Manila - Las Vegas (via Vancouver) - 4 times/week (down from current 5x/week)

- Manila - Vancouver - 7 times/week (up from current 5x/wk)

*New Service to San Diego via Vancouver - 3 times/week

We may also see additional frequencies to Guam and new service to Saipan.

Flash:

Philippine LCC Cebu Pacific may also introduce new service to Guam and Saipan,Northern Marianas once the FAA Category 2 gets to be lifted as Philippine government and aviation officials expect to happen later this year.

boom_box

January 30th, 2009, 03:39 AM

OT:

new Airbus for US Airways... :lol: :nuts:

A320SP - (Sea Plane) version..

http://www.philskies.net/forum/download/file.php?id=1250

photo edit by Gerd of PFSG

heightdeprived

January 30th, 2009, 04:10 AM

mwg12a

January 30th, 2009, 04:20 AM

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/2953/00000468zu6.jpg

Also, senior flight attendants - those above 45 yo and overweight have to go. By experience flying PAL's lucrative trans Pacific routes, these senior flight attendants almost always are the norm rather than the exception. Known for their snooty attitudes (they disappear from view after each meal service!), I think they are giving PAL a bad rap. They sholud give way to the more friendly and with the right attidue younger junior flight attendants. Most here will agree they bring a sense or refreshing , vibrant aura when you fly the PAL friendly skies.

A suggestion then to PAL In Flight Management - impose a mandatory retirement age (say must retire at 45 or younger!) and a stract weight restriction watch for their flight attendants.

I don't agree in forcing someone to retire at 45 or under. That's prejudism... As long as the staff is able and capable, healthy and have positive attitude, they should be kept working. This is what I don't understand with asian countries they base their employees performance on their ages and how they look and not their achievements. No wonder, especially in the Philippines, the country is not moving forward.

I've encountered younger filipina flight attendants before, not with PAL but with NWA, I swear they are very rude.....

As far as the livery is concern. I think I like it. The only thing that I can safely say I don't approve of is that the sun appears to be going down, instead of the usual "rising sun" I think I prefer rising sun because it signals a very positive aura. But, all in all, I like this concept of change in the design...

hikouki

January 30th, 2009, 05:05 AM

I don't agree in forcing someone to retire at 45 or under. That's prejudism... As long as the staff is able and capable, healthy and have positive attitude, they should be kept working. This is what I don't understand with asian countries they base their employees performance on their ages and how they look and not their achievements. No wonder, especially in the Philippines, the country is not moving forward.

I've encountered younger filipina flight attendants before, not with PAL but with NWA, I swear they are very rude.....

As far as the livery is concern. I think I like it. The only thing that I can safely say I don't approve of is that the sun appears to be going down, instead of the usual "rising sun" I think I prefer rising sun because it signals a very positive aura. But, all in all, I like this concept of change in the design...

They should have separate uniforms for the overweight pursers. As in different designs. Let the younger ones wear gowns. IIRC, Delta has several types of uniforms for its cabin crew and the gowns are only available up to a certain size.

About the livery...
I read from another forum many years ago that the stillborn colors to be introduced during the refleeting had a blue belly and a "ribbon" on the fuselage. It was described as being similar to the current BA scheme. I haven't seen it and I'm very curious...

Some of the superstitious folks over at PAL were actually blaming the "rising sun" for its misfortunes. They say that a new livery would have to show a "full" sun.

They are also quite superstitious about plane registrations. Numbers must not add up to 13. "N751PR" is considered unlucky and I don't know why they haven't changed it. RP-C3226 was changed to RP-C3225. The A330s were made to avoid RP-C3334.

kratos1211

January 30th, 2009, 06:53 AM

^^Overweight FA can be dismissed.

see article SC Upholds Dismissal of Overweight Flight Steward (http://sc.judiciary.gov.ph/publications/benchmark/2008/10/100812.php)

ngprofflorida

January 30th, 2009, 07:08 AM

In the Philippines, pa-gandahan and at their 20's or early 30's ang mga FAs...Here in Canada di naman ganyan. Mga nasa 40's na nga yung iba but still presentable.

here in US they still have a FA's on the 50's.

sloanesquare

January 30th, 2009, 07:26 AM

anyone get photos of the Sultan of Brunei's 747 at NAIA?..normally just see the 767 or 320 when royal brunei airlines comes to manila

kiretoce

January 30th, 2009, 09:28 AM

Air Asia FA's

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3135/3057355023_116d472689_b.jpg

i hope ganyan din FA's ng PAL, sexy and very attractive. Grabe ang ganda nila tignan. whew!

Uhmm....they are pretty, but they have got to tone down the big hair on some of them (especially the one fifth from the left). She looks like she's going to some hooker convention. :lol: My opinion, the prettiest and most dropdead gorgeous FAs I've ever seen were from AF (Air France). I saw a group of them checking-in at LAX for their flight to CDG; and seeing them sashaying up to the counter was like watching a fashion show! The ladies were tall and leggy, and the male FAs looked smart and very GQ in their uniforms. I think AF has a "model look" criteria to hiring FAs for their airline. Second most beautiful FAs I've seen were from VS (Virgin Atlantic Airways). :colgate:

Won't PAL be planning on a livery change?

I heard they were supposed to have a new one during the refleeting of the late '90s just prior to the shutdown. I even read that it isn't EuroWhite anymore, but has royal blue as the dominant color on the belly.

I think EuroWhite should stay. It's sleek, streamlined, and classic. :okay:

According to what I know, and based on PAL's motto, it's all about experience. :lol:

:lol: Witty!

WOW Philippines Livery of PAL by ~emlem_08~ (Google 3D Warehouse)

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj235/hakhaimo/Untitled-3.jpg

Eww....looks kitschy. :ohno:

In the Philippines, pa-gandahan and at their 20's or early 30's ang mga FAs...Here in Canada di naman ganyan. Mga nasa 40's na nga yung iba but still presentable.
here in US they still have a FA's on the 50's.

Because here in North America, we have this thing called "age discrimination laws," wherein employers will get fined and sued if you refuse to employ people of a certain age.

http://img176.imageshack.us/img176/2953/00000468zu6.jpg

But the way PAL has stuck this long to this late '80s designed livery, leads me to think that there is no plan for a change in design anytime soon.

However, I think that a complete redisgn for their cabin crew (flight attendants, pilots) is long overdue. The current uniform design has been used for almost 20 years now. New designs for cabin crew uniforms should have colors to coordinate with the cabin interiors of PAL's new and recently refurbished planes.

Also, senior flight attendants - those above 45 yo and overweight have to go. By experience flying PAL's lucrative trans Pacific routes, these senior flight attendants almost always are the norm rather than the exception. Known for their snooty attitudes (they disappear from view after each meal service!), I think they are giving PAL a bad rap. They sholud give way to the more friendly and with the right attidue younger junior flight attendants. Most here will agree they bring a sense or refreshing , vibrant aura when you fly the PAL friendly skies.

A suggestion then to PAL In Flight Management - impose a mandatory retirement age (say must retire at 45 or younger!) and a stract weight restriction watch for their flight attendants.

I have a friend who is an FA for CO (Continental Airlines) and she says that FA work schedules are based on the FAs themselves bidding for the routes and schedules they want. And the seniority rules apply, therefore the most lucrative and glamourous routes on the network are picked-up by these FAs that are already well past their "spring chicken" phase in life. :lol:

absinthe_888

January 30th, 2009, 11:37 AM

anyone get photos of the Sultan of Brunei's 747 at NAIA?..normally just see the 767 or 320 when royal brunei airlines comes to manila

Nakita ko sha kanina, nakapark sa meh Lufthansa Technik Hangar...

arianespace

January 30th, 2009, 11:37 AM

RP, UAE agree to more flights

THE PHILIPPINES and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) have agreed to allow more flights between them, representatives of the Philippine air panel said yesterday.

Officials attending the two-day negotiations in UAE yesterday said the new entitlements will primarily be out of the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport (DMIA) in Clark Freeport, Pampanga.

Under the deal, the Clark airport will get a total of 42 weekly coefficients in addition to the current five. One coefficient is the equivalent of a 150-seater flight.

Carriers flying out of the Clark hub may also ferry a total of 600 tons of cargo a week.

Meanwhile, five flights were added to the Manila hub’s nine flights. A total of 21 flights were given to Cebu, while 21 flights will be distributed to other airports.

Other than the existing nine weekly flights from Manila, there were only five flights between the UAE and all other points in the country, including Clark and Cebu.

The agreement with UAE is the second deal signed this year. The first was with another Middle Eastern state, Qatar.

"The market is huge especially with more than three million overseas Filipino workers in the Middle East," Clark International Airport Corp. Executive Vice-President Alex S. Caugruiran said.

Last year, the Philippines signed deals for additional entitlements with several countries including Japan, Finland, the Netherlands, Malaysia and Iran.

Meanwhile, DMIA General Manager Bienvenido O. Manga said Qatar Airways Co. Q. C. S. C. has expressed interest in mounting flights to the Philippines via Clark. Qatar Airways currently flies to Manila and Cebu.

This happened right after the Philippine and Qatar air panels concluded negotiations for a deal that led to additional flights between the two countries, he said.

CAB Executive Director Carmelo L. Arcilla said the Qatar carrier’s interest in Clark could attract even more foreign carriers.

Foreign airlines that operate out of the 2,300 square-meter Clark hub include Tiger Airways of Singapore, Air Asia of Malaysia and Asiana Airlines of Korea. — Paolo Luis G. Montecillo (http://www.bworldonline.com/BW013009/content.php?id=058)

arianespace

January 30th, 2009, 11:49 AM

Seair flies Puerto Princesa-Kota Kinabalu twice a week

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Davao City (28 January) -- Fresh from the debut of its Puerto Princesa-KotaKinabalu flight last November 2008, Southeast Asian Airlines (SEAir) nowflies the route twice a week, ushering a more upbeat outlook on tourism inthe Brunei Darussalam-Indonesia-Malaysia-Philippines East ASEAN Growth Area(BIMP-EAGA).

The Philippine domestic carrier, which features the 32-seater Dornier 328aircraft, will have flights from Puerto Princesa to Kota Kinabalu everyTuesday and Friday, from the initial once-a-week schedule. Felisa Torres, Puerto Princesa City Tourism Council (CTC) president said that the said routes should be promoted intensively and marketed competitively for it to be sustained. Torres has earlier said in an article that this is a welcome development tthat will help boost their local economy.

SEAir president Avelino Zapanta earlier said in an article that the airlinewill look into increasing the frequency of flights on the route to twice a week in January, depending on the response. Meanwhile, their tourism counterparts in Sabah also showed the same enthusiasm citing a slight tourist increase from the Philippines to Sabah during the first semester of 2008.

"We are very optimistic that with the strengthening of this air link we can further boost the tourism and economy of both countries and in turn fortify efforts of the BIMP-EAGA cooperation," said Undersecretary Virgilio Leyretana. MEDCo acts as the Philippine coordinating office for BIMP-EAGA inwhich Mindanao and Palawan are its focus areas.

The SEAir inaugural flights scheduled last November 28 commenced from Clark to Caticlan to Puerto Princesa to Kota Kinabalu. Established in 1995, SEAIR started its operations with two nine-seater airplanes.

To date, SEA air has flown almost three million passengers to 12 local tourist destinations. Leyretana added that the opening of another economic gateway in Palawan is"a milestone in encouraging interest in Mindanao and Palawan as the Philippine EAGA focus areas, especially in the area of tourism and trade.

"The Brunei Darussalam-Indonesia-Malaysia-Philippines East Asean Growth Area(BIMP-EAGA) is a major collaboration to boost the socio-economic development among poor regions of its member-countries by strengthening policies that will enhance the movement of people and goods. EAGA members are pushing for more regular air connections to link the fourcountries to the rest of the world and accelerate the planned integration of EAGA's tourism development. (MEDCo (http://www.pia.gov.ph/default.asp?m=12&fi=p090128.htm&no=12))

arianespace

January 30th, 2009, 12:08 PM

Philippines to Pay NY $9 Million in Property Taxes and Interest

By SEWELL CHAN (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/30/nyregion/30philippines.html?_r=1)
Published: January 29, 2009

The Philippines has agreed to pay $9 million in back property taxes and interest to New York City for a building at 556 Fifth Avenue that from 1974 to 1996 housed a branch of Philippine National Bank, an office of the Philippine Airlines and a Filipino restaurant, the city announced on Thursday.

The building at 556 Fifth Avenue housed an airline office, a bank branch and a restaurant from 1974 to 1996.

Under the settlement, the city agreed to drop a lawsuit it filed in 2003 against the Philippines for back taxes and interest. The city also sued the governments of India, Mongolia and Turkey. Turkey settled the litigation earlier for $5.1 million.

New York City is home to the United Nations, 192 permanent missions to the United Nations and 110 consulates. Foreign countries receive some tax exemptions for their diplomatic missions in New York, but the State Department believes that United Nations missions must pay appropriate local taxes on property used for nonexempt purposes.

Unlike Turkey and the Philippines, India and Mongolia challenged New York City’s right to bring a suit. The challenge reached the Supreme Court, which ruled in 2007 that federal courts did indeed have jurisdiction to hear the merits of the city’s tax claims against foreign governments. The Supreme Court remanded the case back to lower courts, which are still hearing the two countries’ appeals.

Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg portrayed the settlement with the Philippines as a victory during tough fiscal times. “It is only fair that foreign-government-owned properties used for nonexempt purposes pay their fair share of property taxes,” he said, “because that is what every other law-abiding property owner does.”

The settlement by the Philippines came after a February 2008 ruling by Judge Jed S. Rakoff of Federal District Court in Manhattan, which awarded the city $10.9 million in taxes and interest on the parts of the Fifth Avenue property that were used as a bank and an airline office. The court held that the bank and airline office were used commercially, but that the restaurant had a consular purpose and was therefore exempt.

The Philippines appealed that ruling with respect to the bank and the airline office, and the city appealed the portion that refused to award taxes and interest on the restaurant. The appeals had not been scheduled for argument at the time of the settlement.

“We commend the Philippines for working with the city and finding an amicable resolution to the matter, and encourage the other countries to follow this important example,” said Marjorie B. Tiven, who is commissioner of the city’s Commission for the United Nations, Consular Corps and Protocol and is also Mr. Bloomberg’s sister. “In tight budget times, the city will aggressively pursue every dollar that it’s owed.”

arianespace

January 30th, 2009, 12:18 PM

RP, UAE expands coefficients with more flight frequencies
Lenie Lectura-Business Mirror (http://businessmirror.com.ph/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5401:rp-uae-expand-flight-frequencies&catid=23:topnews&Itemid=58)

http://biztravelguru.com/photos/airline__aircraft_photos/images/649/original.aspx

THE Philippines and the United Arab Emirates (UAE) agreed on Thursday to expand their flight frequencies, an official of the Philippine air panel said.

Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB) executive director Carmelo Arcilla, in a text message, said there is a need to amend the air-services agreement between the Philippines and the UAE to service the growing demand for flights from the tourism and business sectors between the two countries.

The two-day air talks resulted in additional five flight frequencies a week to Manila from the current nine flights, said Arcilla. The current flights are broken down to five flights between Manila and Dubai and four between Manila and Abu Dhabi.

The Philippine Airlines’ (PAL) total entitlements are under code share with Emirates and Etihad, bringing up their weekly flights to 10 and eight, respectively.

From the current five, both panels agreed to add 42 weekly flights to Clark and with fifth-freedom rights. Fifth-freedom flight basically refers to the right to carry passengers from a carrier’s own country to a second country, and from that country to a third country.

Meanwhile, flights to Cebu total 21 a week.

The Philippines was also granted 21 more flight frequencies to be used to other points other than Manila, Clark and Cebu.

Arcilla led the Philippine air panel, with representatives from the Departments of Foreign Affairs, Tourism and Trade, as well as from the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport in Clark. It also includes representatives from PAL and Cebu Pacific for passenger carriers and PEAC for cargo carriers.

The UAE panel was composed of representatives of the UAE civil aviation authority and its designated carriers—the Dubai-based Emirates and the Abu Dhabi- based Etihad airlines.

Business groups earlier welcomed the aviation talks, saying this will enable businesses, particularly in the Philippines, to flourish while serving overseas Filipino workers.

Elizabeth Lee, chairman of the Management Association of the Philippines’ Trade and Industry Committee, had said the air talks is good news because “air travel serves as a vital medium for business.”