^^ kawawa ko naman... :lol:

i'll try planespotting again later~ :D

@Bernie: Great planespotting photos! :okay:

Tnx Kimber...:)

Anyway, just realized this although a theory. Remember that "technical problem" that I mentioned earlier during my CebuPacific Air travel to Iloilo last Black Saturday...

I've mentioned this to my brother (who just graduated from BS Aircraft Maintenance Engr) and he theorized (disclaimer again ha, hypothesis lang, as the flight crew knows more than he does, kinuwento ko lang yung nangyari) that we've experienced engine trouble...we were flying only on one engine!!! The sound of the engine, the inclination of the plane to maintain lift and seemingly abrupt slowdown of the plane as felt by a G-force was all too scary already.

What the captain did was troubleshooting...he intended to go on circles just to jumpstart the engine in the air-dense clouds below. Kaya pala he mentioned that we might go back to Manila due to this problem.

Geez...when my brother mentioned that, I had my gooesebumps already. Again, its just his theory.

i have to disagree......with the traffic in that area....with no rail lines....clark is still the best...it is where the growth in our economy is concentrated right now and it has lots of spaces to spare.....

^^^^ rail line is costly as well and unless it's a bullet train, it takes an hour or so get there, even better. That's the drawback with Clark. Now, with sangley, since there is a coastal highway that has been started, it can also be planned to extend much further and with the container or international seaport being planned in that area. Development would still spur in that area which will benefit the country. DMIA can still be developed and should complement with NAIA even if NAIA is transfered to Sangley. Expansion would not be a problem as they can reclaim outward for it. If that is done that way it will be just like HK airport and Haneda Airport in Japan.

It is more beautiful if they will put those tourist spot pictures to the entire length of the Aerobrige :)


Aerobridges
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Cebu Pacific Air A320 from Cagayan de Oro
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agree, but the airport has to make money out of it. hence the big SMART word there. i hope we can see more international brands in it.

berns, the plane can still be flown and landed safely using one engine. but i'm not sure if that can be done for interisland flights for an A320. but still...i can imagine how helpless one might feel if you have trouble while in midair.

remember Air Canada flight 143? the one that flew with both engines off? that one is scary! as the ATC said...he's talking with a dead man.

^^ That I dunno. Unlike that Air Transat A330 that ran out of gas in the middle of Atlantic which has plenty of height to glide with.

Looks like the high turnarouds is taking toll on their maintenance.

^^ Tnx for the correction, hehe!
Yup, 6K is still at old Domestic terminal.

By the way, I heard a great deal about Zest Air coming from my friends who've traveled thru their A320...

I've taken several zest air flights to bacolod and back. the vibration of their A320 on landings is truly frightening (both at bacolod and manila landings, so it wasn't a runway problem). the overhead bins shook rather vigorously.

At first i thought it was a temporary, one off occurence but when it happened on my subsequent flights, it was kind of scary.

Zest Air currently has only one A320 I believe.

But it's really cheap, return tickets to bacolod costing me less than 1.6K

Would I take zest air again ? only when i can't get a good deal with cebupac :D

^^ reclamation is expensive... DMIA already has 2 long runways and a room for expansion...

although i'll be glad if sangley will indeed be developed... malaki din ang potential nito... tapos may airport pang pina-plan sa taguig...:nuts: ang dami na...:D

:cheers:

^^ :lol: I'll take PAL as first option then 5J next...:D Anyway, PAL has flights that are as affordable as 5J's and 6K's difference of only a few hundred pesos.

United Airlines to charge obese passengers for two seatsApril 16, 2009 - 5:05PM United Airlines will require obese passengers bumped from full flights to purchase two seats on a subsequent flight, matching the policy of some other carriers.

The change brings the Chicago-based in line with eight other airlines including Continental, Delta, JetBlue and Southwest, United spokeswoman Robin Urbanski said on Wednesday.

"Last year we had 700 complaints from passengers who had to share their seats," she said.

Under the new policy, obese passengers -- defined as unable to lower the arm rest and buckle a seat belt with one extension belt -- will still be reaccommodated, at no extra charge, to two empty seats if there is space available.

If, however, the plane is full, they will be bumped from the flight and may have to purchase a second ticket, at the same price as the original fare, Urbanski said.

If the bumped passenger chooses to cancel the trip, the ticket will be refunded with no additional charge.

The policy is effective immediately and applies to both international and domestic United Airlines flights.

all of them costs money for sure even finding way in connecting Manila to DMIA the fastest way. We really do not know how expensive reclaimation is but these reclaimation is being done since way back Marcos time, nothing has been mentioned on how enormously expensive it is. It all spurs development with Sangley, the government doesn't really necessarily need to built two runaway, just improve and lengthen the current one then work on in secondary runway when it really needs two. The two runways in DMIA would be under utilized since NAIA hasn't really surpassed 35Million passengers yearly mark. It's way below it. Besides, it is wiser to have an airport facing the ocean than inland. Besides, there are plans to turn Sangley into an international sea port and an international airport. Coastal road is there already, I'm pretty sure that with a good coastal road, it will cut the traveling time to that point from Manila to 30 mins or a little less, comparing to DMIA which is only closer to Quezon city when people claim it will take only an hour or so.

^^ Now America has to do some refurbishing with their increasingly overweight population..diet diet everyone... (hala! guilty ako dito ha?! so look who's talking?! :nuts: :lol:)

Anyway, what's next...oxygen masks need a quarter just to have the oxygen flowed?

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Sharing some pix...

Iloilo@360 Airport Panorama

The tarmac at 1:45PM
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The Pre-Departure Area of the Iloilo Airport
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Is this previously Midwest's air asset?

No. It's from Air Wisconsin

ang mahal ng interisland airlines papuntang vigan, parang mas sulit pa mag bus nalang. :)

^^ The Vigan city government's reasoning for the opening of flights to the city may come into play on that one: a bus ride to Vigan daw is long, uncomfortable and boring, as they put it. I think people will be willing to pay for the luxury of flying on a plane to the Ciudad Fernandina, rather than ride the bus.

On another note, thanks for posting the poster Zuki! Sira yung link sa website nila. :okay:

Tnx Kimber...:)

Anyway, just realized this although a theory. Remember that "technical problem" that I mentioned earlier during my CebuPacific Air travel to Iloilo last Black Saturday...

I've mentioned this to my brother (who just graduated from BS Aircraft Maintenance Engr) and he theorized (disclaimer again ha, hypothesis lang, as the flight crew knows more than he does, kinuwento ko lang yung nangyari) that we've experienced engine trouble...we were flying only on one engine!!! The sound of the engine, the inclination of the plane to maintain lift and seemingly abrupt slowdown of the plane as felt by a G-force was all too scary already.

What the captain did was troubleshooting...he intended to go on circles just to jumpstart the engine in the air-dense clouds below. Kaya pala he mentioned that we might go back to Manila due to this problem.

Geez...when my brother mentioned that, I had my gooesebumps already. Again, its just his theory.

Planes like A320 and 747-400 has Engine Out mode.. In which it is programmed in the MCDU/FMC computers when one of the engine shuts down.. the airplane itself makes the appropriate engine management and other fail-safe features and backup systems... the flight crew would just have to follow the recommended abnormal checklist in their QRH(Quick Reference Handbook) a.k.a "The Bible" of every plane...



NOTE: I tried this scenario only in a simulator game... :) :lol:

taken earlier...had to wait an hour or so...but worth it~

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my favorite shot~

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:D

Shots taken at Zamboanga International Airport at the Pre departure area.

Cebu Pacific
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Cebu Pacific with Philippine Airlines
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Cebu Pacific & Philippine Airlines with the man. :)
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Shots taken at Zamboanga International Airport at the Pre departure area.

Cebu Pacific
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Cebu Pacific with Philippine Airlines
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Cebu Pacific & Philippine Airlines with the man. :)
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:) love the first shot~ face-to-face

^^ yup, i also love that shot. I'll post other shot of mine. This time with PAL face to face. :)

ei guys, yesterday april 15, may nakita aqng 5j n naka park sa my arrow na i2.. sayang at nagkataong d q dala ang cam q para kunan ... ga2mitin n b nila un o dry run para sa full operation ng t3 o pag transfer ng ibng airline sa t3???


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i saw that too.. same day, i arrived at 7:30 am from CGY. i thought we were gonna utilize one of the gates there but we ended up utilizing the gate at the north concourse..

^^ reclamation is expensive... DMIA already has 2 long runways and a room for expansion...

although i'll be glad if sangley will indeed be developed... malaki din ang potential nito... tapos may airport pang pina-plan sa taguig...:nuts: ang dami na...:D

:cheers:

Strategically located kasi ang Sangley for a future expandable international air and seaport combined. They can even make it a joint military and commercial air/seaports if they only want to.

Nagulat ako dyan sa Taguig plan nayan uh. Meron nga ba talaga? Any links? I wanan read it. Tnks!

all of them costs money for sure even finding way in connecting Manila to DMIA the fastest way. We really do not know how expensive reclaimation is but these reclaimation is being done since way back Marcos time, nothing has been mentioned on how enormously expensive it is. It all spurs development with Sangley, the government doesn't really necessarily need to built two runaway, just improve and lengthen the current one then work on in secondary runway when it really needs two. The two runways in DMIA would be under utilized since NAIA hasn't really surpassed 35Million passengers yearly mark. It's way below it. Besides, it is wiser to have an airport facing the ocean than inland. Besides, there are plans to turn Sangley into an international sea port and an international airport. Coastal road is there already, I'm pretty sure that with a good coastal road, it will cut the traveling time to that point from Manila to 30 mins or a little less, comparing to DMIA which is only closer to Quezon city when people claim it will take only an hour or so.

Agreed.

Sangley Point, Cavite 2035
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How's that?

I made some modifications on his drawings, just to see how it might look in the future if the plans materialized...

New version 1:
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Snakes escape on Qantas flight

An Australian airliner was grounded after four baby pythons escaped from their container in the aircraft's hold.

The snakes, just six inches long, were among 12 Stimson's pythons being flown from Alice Springs to Melbourne.

At first it was thought the reptiles may have been eaten by the other snakes, but this was discounted after they were weighed on landing.

Passengers were transferred to other aircraft. The jet was fumigated but the snakes' bodies are yet to be found.

"They're not endangered so a decision was made to fumigate...if these snakes turn up they will be very much dead snakes," David Epstein of Qantas said.

It is not known how the snakes - which can grow up to a metre in length - escaped from their container.

They were being transported in the cargo hold of the aircraft in a bag inside a plastic foam box with air holes.

The passenger aircraft returned to service on Wednesday.

^^ Looks good, but this will erase a whole city from the map. Where will the historic city of Cavite and its 100,000 residents go? Democracy basically will make this impossible.

Sangley Point, Cavite 2035
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How's that?

napaka strategic ng lugar...parang ang ganda pag magmaterialize itong sangley international airport..nag-uumpisa na ba ang construction?

bakit 2035? para sa ganyang project, pag privately funded, 7-10 years operational na yan...this would be a very good infrastructure development not only for cavite but for Metro Manila as well

^^
:gunz:
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:lol:

:lol: Snakes on a plane! Buti na lang nonvenomous.

I like that face to face plane shot. or maybe nose to nose.
By the way, where were those planespotting photos taken from @ Noize 320.

Relax! Don't get too excited. That's just a drawing. Cavite City will still be there. If ever, the project's location is still currently under the water and may take decades before reclamation starts. (Where's the money?)

Philippine Airlines A320 at Zamboanga International Airport

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Zest airways will gonna change their IATA...from 6K to Z2:cheers:
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^^ Z2 airline code inherited from defunct Styrian Spirit Airways that went belly-up in 2006.

Haggard!
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"Chippy" tlga uniform ng 5J. Mas mganda pa rin ang 2P.

"Chippy" tlga uniform ng 5J.

ok rin cguro ang Z2. =D

Zest airways will gonna change their IATA...from 6K to Z2:cheers:
http://www.zestair.com.ph/images/all-in_promo.gif

I wonder what will happen to Zest Airways' ICAO designator and call sign.

"Chippy" tlga uniform ng 5J. Mas mganda pa rin ang 2P.

hahaha
:lol:

ok rin cguro ang Z2. =D

Pero slang "Chippy" hehe t-shirt and collar... and don't forget the bench sponsor shirt of 5J. Sa Zest Air... penshoppe kya?

Z2!!!..prang ung drinks C2 green tea..:lol::lol::lol:

Z2 is like Z.....s-2 ;)

look at the girl in the picture she looks stressed while looking at the camera...

Who wonders why Europe and the US East coast are way underrepresented in MNL as carriers based in those cities don't fly there? The converse is true where PR doesn't fly to those cities (nevermind the category 2 downgrade as no flights took place even before the downgrade happened). Not even a code share... MNL and PR are the only ones in South East Asia that barely have any services to either region (exception is KLM which flies non stop to/from AMS).

Is PR, unlike CX, SQ and TG catering just to a niche (i.e. the Filipino market) rather than to a global audience? Unlike the regional carriers, I notice that no effort was made to make MNL as well as PR a choice for passengers in transit to a 3rd country. Making PR a choice to transit is a strategy that should make it more competitive as at the end, it could make money if executed properly.

^^ Looks good, but this will erase a whole city from the map. Where will the historic city of Cavite and its 100,000 residents go? Democracy basically will make this impossible.

The residents of the affected area will be relocated, it's not a whole city obviously. BTW, drawing nga lang yan, di natin alam yung exact original layout rendering nyan, although the person who originated posted it have previously claimed he saw the partial original plans. :cheers:

napaka strategic ng lugar...parang ang ganda pag magmaterialize itong sangley international airport..nag-uumpisa na ba ang construction?

bakit 2035? para sa ganyang project, pag privately funded, 7-10 years operational na yan...this would be a very good infrastructure development not only for cavite but for Metro Manila as well

Even before we saw the DMIA plans, that sangley plan had already been placed in the early 90's only to be shelved, including the construction of a looping Suspension-Cable Bridge across the manila bay by corrigidor islands to connect the cavite and bataan provinces.

The original plan was also a prelude to replacing the NAIA during that time. But since they built those 2 new terminals in NAIA, then all we can hope for is no less than developing DMIA this time. Realistically, they can't just build 2new int'l airports that big so the question is, w/c one of them should become our gateway for tourism to replace NAIA as our main int'l airport? Let them enjoy those 2 new terminals first before building a new int'l airport at sangley while developing DMIA as our gateway. And do the see & wait thing when our country can finally register atleast 15-20 million or more tourist arrivals a year, by then they can have a very good reason to build another int'l airport to complement DMIA and close the NAIA, just like what other countries does.

BTW, if they close NAIA, i think that the Phil. Airline hangar should become an aircraft museum. Features should include various types of warplanes to modern jet-powered aircrafts and drones, including PAF's military planes.

I could feel a Sangley proponent saying to himself, "Lintek na Pinatubo yan. Umalis tuloy ang Amerikano." :lol: :lol:

I could feel a Sangley proponent saying to himself, "Lintek na Pinatubo yan. Umalis tuloy ang Amerikano." :lol: :lol:

Exactly............ TSK.......

^^
I wonder what will happen to Zest Airways' ICAO designator and call sign.

Its already been canceled. IATA designation ceased to be a right when airlines go into liquidation. Others however are free to change their 2 alphanumeric designation as long as its not taken. Cebu Pacific was not 5J when they started nor was PR for Philippine Airlines.

Personally, I advised them against changing their designation that was currently made available but the owner is bent on it as the second zest, meaning ZEST-0, literally Zest two.

My reasons, well, historical significance. As Kimber pointed out earlier, it previously was with Styrian. But, I guess I'm just too superstitious!

If you may not know yet, Z2 was the IATA designation of Styrian Spirit Airways of Austria in Europe. The airline declared bankruptcy in March 2006 and surrendered the IATA right this year after 2 years of non use.

Z2 was also used before Styrian did by Zhongyuan Airlines of China. The airline was established in 1986 and went almost bankrupt before it was saved, bought and merged with China Southern Airlines in 2000. Eventually, it surrendered the Z2 designation and adopted CZ of China Southern in August of that year. In 2002, Z2 designation became available and was immediately taken by Styrian when it commenced operation sometime of December of that year.

Zest wanted to change its IATA code last year but was advised to wait until March this year.

With catastrophic corporate history associated with the designation, I hope they can pull the "misfortune" associated with the codes out.

Who wonders why Europe and the US East coast are way underrepresented in MNL as carriers based in those cities don't fly there? The converse is true where PR doesn't fly to those cities (nevermind the category 2 downgrade as no flights took place even before the downgrade happened). Not even a code share... MNL and PR are the only ones in South East Asia that barely have any services to either region (exception is KLM which flies non stop to/from AMS).

...

Well, haven't you noticed that during the time that BA, LX, AF and LH all disappeared from MNL (and from some Asian markets as well), the Middle Eastern carriers have increased their frequencies several-fold? Sure there are a lot of Pinoys in the Middle East but these carriers have all been known by many as professional poachers.

It was said that LH had no problem filling their A340-600s to/ from MNL. Their only problem was that the market was extremely low-yield and they could not lower their price to the same level as these Middle Eastern carriers.

It's the same for many other Asian/ Australian ports. Vietnam has lost KLM. I believe Air France left Indonesia as well. Imagine, BA only has two flights to Oz! And QF's European network has considerably shrunk as more of the Middle Eastern carriers come to their ports. The likes of EK, EY, QR and GF are cashing in on the kangaroo and Asia-Europe routes!

The only reason KLM is able to keep MNL is because of the fuel efficient 77Ws that have a high-density configuration (10-abreast seating instead of the standard 9-abreast). They are then able to offer very competitive prices.

...

Is PR, unlike CX, SQ and TG catering just to a niche (i.e. the Filipino market) rather than to a global audience? ...

Yes, because that is their home market and it is where their money is. Besides, PR has that "responsibility" being the flag carrier.

...

...Unlike the regional carriers, I notice that no effort was made to make MNL as well as PR a choice for passengers in transit to a 3rd country. ...

Heck, we don't even have a "proper" airport terminal. Have you been to Centennial at peak hours? Immigration lines extend all the way to the aerobridge area and this is no exaggeration. Lines don't extend all the way to the bays at T1, but it must be worse since it has more flights/ passengers during the peak hours.

Supposing infrastructure is present, PAL and other Pinoy carriers need cash and credit for fleet expansion. Having recently exited receivership, PAL still needs cash for fleet expansion.

...

.... Making PR a choice to transit is a strategy that should make it more competitive as at the end, it could make money if executed properly.

PR and 5J both concentrate on the domestic and regional markets. In the last few months, despite the current economic climate, we have heard them announce that international and domestic travel for them grew double digits. This despite the past fuel crisis.

Now compare that to the situation of SQ and CX, both of which have megahubs catering to high-end transit passengers. CX just announced the deferral of several dozen planes slated for delivery. And they've already parked several freighters. SQ had to cut frequencies across its network, excluding a select few that includes MNL!

Everything has to make economic sense. Gone are the days when airlines would buy 747s just to show off.

Who wonders why Europe and the US East coast are way underrepresented in MNL as carriers based in those cities don't fly there? The converse is true where PR doesn't fly to those cities (nevermind the category 2 downgrade as no flights took place even before the downgrade happened). Not even a code share... MNL and PR are the only ones in South East Asia that barely have any services to either region (exception is KLM which flies non stop to/from AMS).

Is PR, unlike CX, SQ and TG catering just to a niche (i.e. the Filipino market) rather than to a global audience? Unlike the regional carriers, I notice that no effort was made to make MNL as well as PR a choice for passengers in transit to a 3rd country. Making PR a choice to transit is a strategy that should make it more competitive as at the end, it could make money if executed properly.

Learn the answers by scrolling back the pages of this thread. You'll be surprise to know that almost everything you wanted to learn is right there!:)

At least, Hikouki made an effort as an introduction to you!

@ T3 :)

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Very Nice. Great work Chris. Thanks for sharing it with us!:cheers:

no problem Arianspace. Thank you. :)

Well, haven't you noticed that during the time that BA, LX, AF and LH all disappeared from MNL (and from some Asian markets as well), the Middle Eastern carriers have increased their frequencies several-fold? Sure there are a lot of Pinoys in the Middle East but these carriers have all been known by many as professional poachers.

It was said that LH had no problem filling their A340-600s to/ from MNL. Their only problem was that the market was extremely low-yield and they could not lower their price to the same level as these Middle Eastern carriers.

It's the same for many other Asian/ Australian ports. Vietnam has lost KLM. I believe Air France left Indonesia as well. Imagine, BA only has two flights to Oz! And QF's European network has considerably shrunk as more of the Middle Eastern carriers come to their ports. The likes of EK, EY, QR and GF are cashing in on the kangaroo and Asia-Europe routes!

The only reason KLM is able to keep MNL is because of the fuel efficient 77Ws that have a high-density configuration (10-abreast seating instead of the standard 9-abreast). They are then able to offer very competitive prices.



Yes, because that is their home market and it is where their money is. Besides, PR has that "responsibility" being the flag carrier.



Heck, we don't even have a "proper" airport terminal. Have you been to Centennial at peak hours? Immigration lines extend all the way to the aerobridge area and this is no exaggeration. Lines don't extend all the way to the bays at T1, but it must be worse since it has more flights/ passengers during the peak hours.

Supposing infrastructure is present, PAL and other Pinoy carriers need cash and credit for fleet expansion. Having recently exited receivership, PAL still needs cash for fleet expansion.



PR and 5J both concentrate on the domestic and regional markets. In the last few months, despite the current economic climate, we have heard them announce that international and domestic travel for them grew double digits. This despite the past fuel crisis.

Now compare that to the situation of SQ and CX, both of which have megahubs catering to high-end transit passengers. CX just announced the deferral of several dozen planes slated for delivery. And they've already parked several freighters. SQ had to cut frequencies across its network, excluding a select few that includes MNL!

Everything has to make economic sense. Gone are the days when airlines would buy 747s just to show off.

Thanks for these answers! It could make sense that the middle eastern carriers' popularity pressured most European carriers to bow-out. My problem is these are always likely to be full because as you said, a lot of filipinos fly to the middle east.

You're right about PR increasing frequencies to some routes despite the downturn. In fact, it has twice as many daily flights to SIN than 2 years ago. You're also right about CX and SQ in fact, CX is slashing flights to key cities (and requesting staff to go on unpaid leaves) but I think MNL isn't quite affected.

In fairness to PR, they are steadily increasing their fleet size with their ability to expand service to the US appears to be more at the mercy of the FAA (remember the Category 2 downgrade) rather than ecnonomic conditions.

Yes I understand the responsibility of a flag carrier is to cater to the local market but I don't see CX/SQ/EK mainly focused on that.

Here's the sure thing: the major constraint of the existing MNL airport is the runaway. An airport technically can operate without a passenger terminal but NOT without working runaways. You can put a hundred T3s in the vicinity but they are useless unless they are complemented by increased runaways.

^^
Very Nice. Great work Chris. Thanks for sharing it with us!:cheers:

gud evening ms.arianespace! :) do u know anything about future aviation industry of ZIA? i know you do... ur an expert on this matter.. :)

Tnx Kimber...:)

Anyway, just realized this although a theory. Remember that "technical problem" that I mentioned earlier during my CebuPacific Air travel to Iloilo last Black Saturday...

I've mentioned this to my brother (who just graduated from BS Aircraft Maintenance Engr) and he theorized (disclaimer again ha, hypothesis lang, as the flight crew knows more than he does, kinuwento ko lang yung nangyari) that we've experienced engine trouble...we were flying only on one engine!!! The sound of the engine, the inclination of the plane to maintain lift and seemingly abrupt slowdown of the plane as felt by a G-force was all too scary already.

What the captain did was troubleshooting...he intended to go on circles just to jumpstart the engine in the air-dense clouds below. Kaya pala he mentioned that we might go back to Manila due to this problem.

Geez...when my brother mentioned that, I had my gooesebumps already. Again, its just his theory.

agree, but the airport has to make money out of it. hence the big SMART word there. i hope we can see more international brands in it.

berns, the plane can still be flown and landed safely using one engine. but i'm not sure if that can be done for interisland flights for an A320. but still...i can imagine how helpless one might feel if you have trouble while in midair.

remember Air Canada flight 143? the one that flew with both engines off? that one is scary! as the ATC said...he's talking with a dead man.

Planes like A320 and 747-400 has Engine Out mode.. In which it is programmed in the MCDU/FMC computers when one of the engine shuts down.. the airplane itself makes the appropriate engine management and other fail-safe features and backup systems... the flight crew would just have to follow the recommended abnormal checklist in their QRH(Quick Reference Handbook) a.k.a "The Bible" of every plane...



NOTE: I tried this scenario only in a simulator game... :) :lol:

that's right. modern aircraft have FADEC, this manages the operations of the engines during normal & abnormal conditions. for 744 it's no problem, it has 4 engines. but for twin engine aircraft like A330, each of them is ETOPS-rated. whatever the rating is, for example 120 minutes, during the loss of 1 engine, the A330 should be able to reach the nearest emergency diversion airport within it's rating of 120 minutes.

gud evening ms.arianespace! :) do u know anything about future aviation industry of ZIA? i know you do... ur an expert on this matter.. :)

Correction lang marlowe. Lalaki po c ariane, hindi babae.

^^ Am I seeing the gradual extinction of B747s in the PAL fleet?

Not in the immediate future. I see it in service for at least another 5-10 years. Otherwise, they would have not upgraded its first 744.

However, I read somewhere that the A380 may have a future at PR.

Going to the 77W, will it be 9 or 10-abreast?

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:lol: Snakes on a plane! Buti na lang nonvenomous.

I like that face to face plane shot. or maybe nose to nose.
By the way, where were those planespotting photos taken from @ Noize 320.


DVO/RPMD using runway 23... :D

Philippine Airlines A320 at Zamboanga International Airport

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj53/svenz_2008/IMG-0364-1.jpg

www.svenzisxgk101.multiply.com

...awarded with a cookie for a nice shot~ :lol: :)

hope that the national government realize that all airports nationwide, both local and international, should be upgraded to a more eye-catching, tourist-thriving domestic and international airports. At present, the LCC terminals in our ASEAN neighboring countries are far more better than the numerous provincial airports all over the country. As these airports are very significant and are the reflections on how serious and driven our national government in developing our country forward, instead of downward, much worse stagnated.

hope that the national government realize that all airports nationwide, both local and international, should be upgraded to a more eye-catching, tourist-thriving domestic and international airports. At present, the LCC terminals in our ASEAN neighboring countries are far more better than the numerous provincial airports all over the country. As these airports are very significant and are the reflections on how serious and driven our national government in developing our country forward, instead of downward, much worse stagnated.

Yup, they have 1 major opportunity to do this: DMIA. The runaways are there, the space is there. The technology is there. They just have to make the most out of it and not get into any stupid deals.

Yup, they have 1 major opportunity to do this: DMIA. The runaways are there, the space is there. The technology is there. They just have to make the most out of it and not get into any stupid deals.

i agree! :)

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Yes I understand the responsibility of a flag carrier is to cater to the local market but I don't see CX/SQ/EK mainly focused on that.

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If you are referring to domestic markets, then they really DO NOT have any. They do not operate domestic flights. HKG, SIN and DXB "practically" has only one airport (for passenger flights).

OTOH, CX, SQ and EK are geared towards their local clientele, if that is what you mean. Why else would EK build a luxury terminal, etc if it weren't for the fact that Dubai is filled with oil-rich sheiks? And why would CX maintain nonstops to all these destinations with large British-Chinese populations?

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Here's the sure thing: the major constraint of the existing MNL airport is the runaway. An airport technically can operate without a passenger terminal but NOT without working runaways. You can put a hundred T3s in the vicinity but they are useless unless they are complemented by increased runaways.

Yup, they have 1 major opportunity to do this: DMIA. The runaways are there, the space is there. The technology is there. They just have to make the most out of it and not get into any stupid deals.



???
runaway \ˈrə-nə-ˌwā\ one that runs away from danger, duty, or restraint

maybe you meant,
runway \ˈrən-ˌwā\ a paved strip of ground on a landing field for the landing and takeoff of aircraft

Not in the immediate future. I see it in service for at least another 5-10 years. Otherwise, they would have not upgraded its first 744.

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They publicly said the 744s will stay until 2015.

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Going to the 77W, will it be 9 or 10-abreast?

9-abreast.

If you are referring to domestic markets, then they really DO NOT have any. They do not operate domestic flights. HKG, SIN and DXB "practically" has only one airport (for passenger flights).

OTOH, CX, SQ and EK are geared towards their local clientele, if that is what you mean. Why else would EK build a luxury terminal, etc if it weren't for the fact that Dubai is filled with oil-rich sheiks? And why would CX maintain nonstops to all these destinations with large British-Chinese populations?







???
runaway \ˈrə-nə-ˌwā\ one that runs away from danger, duty, or restraint

maybe you meant,
runway \ˈrən-ˌwā\ a paved strip of ground on a landing field for the landing and takeoff of aircraft

I meant runway, sorry. But you agree with me on those points about runway constraints and DMIA?

that's right. modern aircraft have FADEC, this manages the operations of the engines during normal & abnormal conditions. for 744 it's no problem, it has 4 engines. but for twin engine aircraft like A330, each of them is ETOPS-rated. whatever the rating is, for example 120 minutes, during the loss of 1 engine, the A330 should be able to reach the nearest emergency diversion airport within it's rating of 120 minutes.

ETOPS rating for A330 is 120 minutes. B777 has by far the highest claim of 180 minutes.

edit: Looked up the net. Found out the A320s and A319 was given a rating of 180 minutes in 2006. Does that explain why it can be used for MNL to Osaka flights? Or probably MNL to Australia?

DVO/RPMD using runway 23... :D


thanks for the info. wouldn't it be a nicer experience to hear the pilot and ATC's conversation? :D have you seen a B744 or A340 fly over Davao skies lately?

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h315/req2000/Airports/100_2605.jpg

B737-300 na pala gamit ng Air Phil ngayon. Diba sa PAL to dati?

ETOPS rating for A330 is 120 minutes. B777 has by far the highest claim of 180 minutes.

edit: Looked up the net. Found out the A320s and A319 was given a rating of 180 minutes in 2006. Does that explain why it can be used for MNL to Osaka flights? Or probably MNL to Australia?


Probably... PAL utilize their A330 to Australia primary because of this reason plus a lot of passengers can be loaded in A330 than the A320...


thanks for the info. wouldn't it be a nicer experience to hear the pilot and ATC's conversation? :D have you seen a B744 or A340 fly over Davao skies lately?

actually I already heard one... visit this site.. http://www.liveatc.net/feedindex.php?type=international-as
Only one audio feed is available which is Clark Tower... but the problem the feed is still down for unknown reason... :(

that's right. modern aircraft have FADEC, this manages the operations of the engines during normal & abnormal conditions. for 744 it's no problem, it has 4 engines. but for twin engine aircraft like A330, each of them is ETOPS-rated. whatever the rating is, for example 120 minutes, during the loss of 1 engine, the A330 should be able to reach the nearest emergency diversion airport within it's rating of 120 minutes.

So you mean we really still had a chance to land at 45 minutes in Iloilo since there is a 120 minute window time for the plane to land safely? But anyway, I was wondering if the captain intentionally went to the clouds and made a circular flight pattern just to correct the "technical problem" that was encountered last Saturday?

Tnx for the info migs. :okay:

Probably... PAL utilize their A330 to Australia primary because of this reason plus a lot of passengers can be loaded in A330 than the A320...


Why not use the A340 instead? The flight is relatively long plus it has 1st class-like seats compared to the A330s.

Man, that sketches you guys created there looks overly ambitious...LOL I'd just stick with DMIA plan instead. That coastal road over the ocean is kind of hard and too expensive to accomplish. I was just thinking of the same principle the current coastal road is being built, not too far from the mainland. The reclaimation for the terminal building and runways might be feasible but it still look too ambitious..

The way it looks like right now with DMIA, it is being hoisted to be a big LCC airport terminal which can be expanded even more, that's not a bad thing and even if they add full service airliners, it would still be helpful with the current NAIA because it will relieve some of it's burden from Naia.

ETOPS rating for A330 is 120 minutes. B777 has by far the highest claim of 180 minutes.

edit: Looked up the net. Found out the A320s and A319 was given a rating of 180 minutes in 2006. Does that explain why it can be used for MNL to Osaka flights? Or probably MNL to Australia?




yes some airlines are using A320 for their long flight, but definitely they have to have more stopovers due to fueling. & if there are stopovers then ETOPS is of no use.

So you mean we really still had a chance to land at 45 minutes in Iloilo since there is a 120 minute window time for the plane to land safely? But anyway, I was wondering if the captain intentionally went to the clouds and made a circular flight pattern just to correct the "technical problem" that was encountered last Saturday?

Tnx for the info migs. :okay:

it depends actually upon the fuel loaded, flight planning already computed the fuel to be used plus some extra fuel enough to land the aircraft safely.
if you really have 1 engine out during that time, then probably the tower asked the captain to make that flight pattern to be able to recover the inop engine. if ever the FADEC cannot recover the engine, then you will be landing under abnormal conditon or emergency landing, that is one engine out. & they have different set of procedures for that kind of landing as mentioned by boom box earlier.

So you mean we really still had a chance to land at 45 minutes in Iloilo since there is a 120 minute window time for the plane to land safely? But anyway, I was wondering if the captain intentionally went to the clouds and made a circular flight pattern just to correct the "technical problem" that was encountered last Saturday?

Tnx for the info migs. :okay:

during emergency, yes. but if one engine is already down while you are in laguna, then it should make a turn and head to the nearest airport. in this case - back to NAIA.


B737-300 na pala gamit ng Air Phil ngayon. Diba sa PAL to dati?

matagal na. even before they went under PR pa, right?

Probably... PAL utilize their A330 to Australia primary because of this reason plus a lot of passengers can be loaded in A330 than the A320...

actually I already heard one... visit this site.. http://www.liveatc.net/feedindex.php?type=international-as
Only one audio feed is available which is Clark Tower... but the problem the feed is still down for unknown reason... :(

i wish there's one for NAIA ATC. those take off vids with livefeeds at youtube are amazing.

it depends actually upon the fuel loaded, flight planning already computed the fuel to be used plus some extra fuel enough to land the aircraft safely.
if you really have 1 engine out during that time, then probably the tower asked the captain to make that flight pattern to be able to recover the inop engine. if ever the FADEC cannot recover the engine, then you will be landing under abnormal conditon or emergency landing, that is one engine out. & they have different set of procedures for that kind of landing as mentioned by boom box earlier.

reminds me again of the Gimli Glider (Air Canada B767). it was fueled using pounds as unit not kilogram. imagine filling in the tanks by X number of lbs instead of X kilograms. that's a whole lot of difference.

and just in case a plane goes back to NAIA right before takeoff, it has to dump the fuel over Laguna bay. so i heard.

So you mean we really still had a chance to land at 45 minutes in Iloilo since there is a 120 minute window time for the plane to land safely? But anyway, I was wondering if the captain intentionally went to the clouds and made a circular flight pattern just to correct the "technical problem" that was encountered last Saturday?


during emergency, yes. but if one engine is already down while you are in laguna, then it should make a turn and head to the nearest airport. in this case - back to NAIA.



a ok, now I understand the situation, sorry.

habagat's flight is from Manila to Iloilo, & they have 1 engine failure after take-off, & they return back to Manila.

that's normal migs. Manila is the maintenance base station, problems like this, aircraft should be landed in Manila. definitely you can land in Iloilo with one engine out but the problem is the aircraft will not be able to take-off from there again, the engine should be changed, & sending maintenance personnel to Iloilo or transporting new engine from Manila to Iloilo is costly & will take time.

^^ :lol: I'll take PAL as first option then 5J next...:D Anyway, PAL has flights that are as affordable as 5J's and 6K's difference of only a few hundred pesos.

200 pesos lang ang diff bet pal & ceb. davao manila 3,900 rt ceb, sa pal 4,100.

Who knows where there are SQ round trip between MNL and SIN that cost less than USD300? I don't care about the restrictions.

Fare is around that figure and most likely higher. Not sure this year. PAL can sometimes go over USD300 RT.

Checked out SQ's site, fare is USD354 all-in. Flight date is one month from now. Agents can sometimes quote lower than online prices.

At least we landed safely...thank God for that...because my heart was already pounding during the captain's announcement and the seemingly abrupt and abnormal engine sound and deceleration.

a ok, now I understand the situation, sorry.

habagat's flight is from Manila to Iloilo, & they have 1 engine failure after take-off, & they return back to Manila.

that's normal migs. Manila is the maintenance base station, problems like this, aircraft should be landed in Manila. definitely you can land in Iloilo with one engine out but the problem is the aircraft will not be able to take-off from there again, the engine should be changed, & sending maintenance personnel to Iloilo or transporting new engine from Manila to Iloilo is costly & will take time.

Here she is, safely landed at ILO.
http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/0/photos/358/600x600/37/InsideILO60.jpg?et=HvqofwIlI6aC8VQvy7GqTg&nmid=232055135

http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/0/photos/358/600x600/74/InsideILO57.jpg?et=XYRhgZvJ8GoIljDiBsR3Pg&nmid=232055135

Who tried booking econolight online? Does it work for local credit cards (i.e. Mastercard issued by local banks)?

Here's an interior of A320 PAL

http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/0/photos/358/600x600/47/InsideILO49.jpg?et=0ItcNpzEVLqo90r2JmnyVQ&nmid=232055135

http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/0/photos/358/600x600/46/InsideILO50.jpg?et=YO8UMjacIrJxSkEi3%2CAE8w&nmid=232055135

Guess what, Rebisco na lang pala ang merienda ng PAL ngayon...dati medyo marami-rami pa. :D

Here she is, safely landed at ILO.
http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/0/photos/358/600x600/37/InsideILO60.jpg?et=HvqofwIlI6aC8VQvy7GqTg&nmid=232055135

http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/0/photos/358/600x600/74/InsideILO57.jpg?et=XYRhgZvJ8GoIljDiBsR3Pg&nmid=232055135

...this must be one of the newest planes of 5J...the first time i've seen that reg~ ;)

Mukhang bago ang 737-300 ng AirPhil. Akala ko ba 737-200adv ung fleet nila. Kailan pa toh naintroduced?

^^ Air Philippines Boeing 737-300
http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/0/photos/358/600x600/22/InsideILO24.jpg?et=ZcQ2VqvzXJALZK7KVDqZeg&nmid=232055135

http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/0/photos/358/600x600/15/InsideILO31.jpg?et=REIsy25QEUxqqlOmaRFZKQ&nmid=232055135

@dashalvin

It started when PAL replaced all their 737 series to A320 planes as part of their modernization of fleet... matipid kasi sa maintenance ang A320 tapos Lufthansa Technik Philippines pa ang maintenance partner ng PAL..

so AirPhil utilized it for the moment kasi kukuha din sila ng 4 yata na A320 planes.. pero ang PAL sasagot sa gastusin dahil sister company naman sila.. :)

So ilan lahat ang 737-300, 737-200 adv at Q400 ng AirPhil ngaun?

Who tried booking econolight online? Does it work for local credit cards (i.e. Mastercard issued by local banks)?

^^I already tried many times booking in PAL's econolight using VISA by HSBC.
It works and so fast. Unlike online booking in Cebu Pacific as the booking status would be pending and you have to wait for how many days; if you can't wait, you need to contact them directly for it to be confirmed.

Here she is, safely landed at ILO.


is this the same aircraft with engine problem migs? after you return back to manila, they fix the problem & give back the same aircraft?

@dashalvin

It started when PAL replaced all their 737 series to A320 planes as part of their modernization of fleet... matipid kasi sa maintenance ang A320 tapos Lufthansa Technik Philippines pa ang maintenance partner ng PAL..



mas matipid sa maintenance ang boeing aircraft compared to airbus. those days, there were times na 1 straight month we don't have problem with 737, napakalinis ng logbooks. kaso luma na talaga yang mga 737 kaya dapat na palitan. saka hindi fly-by-wires ang mga 737 na yan.

is this the same aircraft with engine problem migs? after you return back to manila, they fix the problem & give back the same aircraft?
Yup, that's her. Anyway, there weren't any reported incidents with this particular aircraft after my flight with her.

Anyway, what my brother said was just a theory regarding engine problem. But it is still a "technical problem that might have been an emergency landing at NAIA" (emergency at the context that it is an unplanned landing, not the regular scheduled or delayed landings).

Who tried booking econolight online? Does it work for local credit cards (i.e. Mastercard issued by local banks)?

yes, they accept credit cards such that of master card. i tried it booking for my brother... u just have to present the photocopies of the credit card u will use and a valid ID of the credit card owner upon check-in for verification purposes. it's a no hassle! :)

^^ Air Philippines Boeing 737-300
http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/0/photos/358/600x600/22/InsideILO24.jpg?et=ZcQ2VqvzXJALZK7KVDqZeg&nmid=232055135

http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/0/photos/358/600x600/15/InsideILO31.jpg?et=REIsy25QEUxqqlOmaRFZKQ&nmid=232055135

i can't imagine 2P in an airbus...only in a boeing...hehe~ buti pa 737-700 and -800 ang bilhin nila, imo ;D

^^ Air Philippines Boeing 737-300
http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/0/photos/358/600x600/22/InsideILO24.jpg?et=ZcQ2VqvzXJALZK7KVDqZeg&nmid=232055135

http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/0/photos/358/600x600/15/InsideILO31.jpg?et=REIsy25QEUxqqlOmaRFZKQ&nmid=232055135

mas gusto ko ung design ng pag paint ng AirPhil before than today... ung may blue and red horizontal lines...

i can't imagine 2P in an airbus...only in a boeing...hehe~ buti pa 737-700 and -800 ang bilhin nila, imo ;D

Yang 733 ng AirPhil sa PAL yan dati. Pag nasa NAIA ka, makikita mo yung mga 732 nila di na nila ginagamit.

^^ RP-C2021 should be now kept in a museum...they said its the oldest 732 in service~!

btw, its been 9 yrs now since the worst air disaster in RP aviation... :ohno:

yes, they accept credit cards such that of master card. i tried it booking for my brother... u just have to present the photocopies of the credit card u will use and a valid ID of the credit card owner upon check-in for verification purposes. it's a no hassle! :)

So my Allied Bank card can be used?

So my Allied Bank card can be used?

yup! mine's from PS Bank. both are local banks. most prob it will work well with urs too! :)

yup! mine's from PS Bank. both are local banks. most prob it will work well with urs too! :)

for more info, feel free to log on to: www.philippineairlines.com and click on the check on fares.. just read every single word you encounter esp. on the mechanics, and presto!!!! u'l be surely booked. :)

OT:

Rare and Some Nice Pics..

Antananarivo-Ivato Airport
ICAO: FMMI - Madagascar

http://www.geocities.com/irseindia/lx.jpg

Air Manila International - Boeing 707
http://www.philskies.net/forum/download/file.php?id=534

PAL and F-16

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/9/2/1/0651129.jpg

Sukhoi Su-30
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/5/0/6/1025605.jpg

Airbus A380 with Windows OS..?
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/0/9/7/0957790.jpg

I see. I read somewhere that it has to enrolled in MasterCard secure code but when I went to MasterCard's website, the Philippines wasn't listed.

I see. I read somewhere that it has to enrolled in MasterCard secure code but when I went to MasterCard's website, the Philippines wasn't listed.

really? i was successful in my transaction man...prolly the code u r pertaining to is the last three digits that can be found at the back of the card.

OT:


Air Manila International - Boeing 707
http://www.philskies.net/forum/download/file.php?id=534


wow. does anyone know where this was taken?

I see. I read somewhere that it has to enrolled in MasterCard secure code but when I went to MasterCard's website, the Philippines wasn't listed.

You have to enroll in your bank's online facility...added security feature yan ng some credit cards...it makes sure na authentic and transaction...

Once you have enrolled and meron ka nang security code, thats what you are going to enter to validate the online payment...

you can also purchase na PR tickets via phone...they do accept phone transactions naman...although dapat yung ticket is under the name of the account holder...

OT:

Rare and Some Nice Pics..

Airbus A380 with Windows OS..?
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/0/9/7/0957790.jpg

i like this pic...thanks @boom box.

i think that PCs on the left & right handside are optional. some A380 cockpit pics don't have that one instead they have HUDs.

also, if you will examine the Primary Flight Display, you can see the video of the ground & the upper portion of the fuselage, that means they installed two cameras, one is downward i think located in the belly & the other i think is installed in the vertical stabilizer.

Sangley Point, Cavite 2035
http://a401.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/98/l_06316966fa060cd0d321fb5763a7f708.jpg

How's that?
Ang ganda ng proposed mo kaso baka di sa 2035 yan 2050 :D marami maapektuhan na nakatira dyan sa sea side for sure.

Ang ganda ng proposed mo kaso baka di sa 2035 yan 2050 :D marami maapektuhan na nakatira dyan sa sea side for sure.


It's not mine. Check page 5 to 7.... Actually yung drawing ng mga terminals medyo masyadong malaki at di na proportional sa actual sizes.... I downloaded that drawing and made some adjustments and modifications pero di ko pa ma-upload. :)

wow. does anyone know where this was taken?

From Airliners.net

Aircraft:
Air Manila International
Boeing 707-321B

Taken at:
New York - John F. Kennedy International (Idlewild) (JFK / KJFK)
USA - New York, May 1, 1978

Original Link (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-Manila-International/Boeing-707-321B/1176819/L/&tbl=&photo_nr=1&sok=&sort=&prev_id=1483011&next_id=0541032)

i like this pic...thanks @boom box.

i think that PCs on the left & right handside are optional. some A380 cockpit pics don't have that one instead they have HUDs.

also, if you will examine the Primary Flight Display, you can see the video of the ground & the upper portion of the fuselage, that means they installed two cameras, one is downward i think located in the belly & the other i think is installed in the vertical stabilizer.

I guess its becoming standard today those screens are now so called EFB... Boeing 777 has also those EFB..
I've just read the EFB or Electronic Flight Bag... it works like a digital attache of pilots which includes aircraft and aircrew manuals, Nav charts and can also install applications for calculating load weights, TO performance calculations... It's like a mini PC for the cockpit.. :)

If it is Windows based... It might expect.. "Sorry for the inconvenience, this system needs to be shutdown..." :ohno: :lol:
or perhaps BSOD and some Ctrl+Alt-Del actions.. :lol:

Why aren't our local carriers offering online check-in? If I were the airline, I think it would be a smart move as check-in counters could decongest slightly?

Are there security restrictions preventing PR and 5J from doing this?

You have to enroll in your bank's online facility...added security feature yan ng some credit cards...it makes sure na authentic and transaction...

Once you have enrolled and meron ka nang security code, thats what you are going to enter to validate the online payment...

you can also purchase na PR tickets via phone...they do accept phone transactions naman...although dapat yung ticket is under the name of the account holder...

the last time i booked a flight online (march 2009) using mastercard issued locally, they only asked for cvv or cv2 which is the last 3-digit at the back of your card where u have your signature. i dont think you need to enrol something with your bank.

I guess its becoming standard today those screens are now so called EFB... Boeing 777 has also those EFB..
I've just read the EFB or Electronic Flight Bag... it works like a digital attache of pilots which includes aircraft and aircrew manuals, Nav charts and can also install applications for calculating load weights, TO performance calculations... It's like a mini PC for the cockpit.. :)

If it is Windows based... It might expect.. "Sorry for the inconvenience, this system needs to be shutdown..." :ohno: :lol:
or perhaps BSOD and some Ctrl+Alt-Del actions.. :lol:

really? a ok, thanks for the info.
so that means all manuals in the cockpit will be obsolete now. so since flight manuals, nav charts & sometimes MEL are periodically updated, this means there will be a USB port somewhere there or diskette drive to update the contents of that PC periodically.

the last time i booked a flight online (march 2009) using mastercard issued locally, they only asked for cvv or cv2 which is the last 3-digit at the back of your card where u have your signature. i dont think you need to enrol something with your bank.

I think it depends with the issuing bank...for HSBC they asked eh...aside from the CVV they ask you for another securith code...secure sign feature I think...

I think it depends with the issuing bank...for HSBC they asked eh...aside from the CVV they ask you for another securith code...secure sign feature I think...

^^No need to enroll..I just booked online in PAL and Cebu Pacific last week using my HSBC Visa card but there's no other asking for other security code aside from the information on the credit card (CVV, expiry date) and your birthday.

^^^

Hmmm...thats strange coz I was asked to enroll in Secure Sign so the last time I made an online booking last month, I was asked for another set of security code...hmm

^^ Online booking in PAL is so easy and convenient than Cebu Pacific:)... after the completion of my transaction in PAL's website, I automaticaly received my ticket through email in less than a minute... unlike if you book in Cebu Pacific it took many days to receive the email confirmation. You would need to call them to check the status of your booking to be approved.. it happens to me last week.:ohno:

some exciting news on 5J & PR . . . :applause: :applause: :applause:


http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/2009/04/5j-drops-b777-deal-in-favor-of-brand.html

^^

Nice! It will be interesting to see how an A320 is used on this relatively long haul route. I hope the A330 will have video on board.

Also, I still would like to know why no online check-in for PR and 5J at all. At least other carriers have some form of that, even for just domestic destinations or flights originating from their hubs.

@ T3 :)

http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj53/svenz_2008/IMG-9224.jpg

...

I see a catering truck!:shocked::lol:

Why aren't our local carriers offering online check-in? If I were the airline, I think it would be a smart move as check-in counters could decongest slightly?

Are there security restrictions preventing PR and 5J from doing this?

Nope. But they need to BUY more expensive software/ technology.

using 5J's A320 for a flight longer than 3hrs is really uncomfortable. I experienced riding their flight from MNL-SIN-MNL. the first hour is bearable but when 2 hours has passed, you will really feel that your bottom is hurting already since the seats are not that soft and the seat barely reclines.:ohno: i hope the configuration of the new A330 is better.

If 5J acquires an A330, this will be the first budget airline since the defunct-Oasis and the operating JetStar (Australia) to do so.

^ I think AirAsia operates an A330...

I forgot that sorry, with 3 more and 25 to go. I found out they have an A340.

On another note, our local budget airlines have to be lucky, at least here in MNL. In SIN and KUL, they along with Tiger and AirAsia have to settle for a budget terminal with no train access to the city and bare-essential facilities. Even B6 (JetBlue) doesn't have as spectacular a space in JFK getting a relatively small terminal plus a very old one at LGB. So far budget carriers 5J, 2P and PAL-Ex have the "luxurious" T3 all to themselves.

using 5J's A320 for a flight longer than 3hrs is really uncomfortable. I experienced riding their flight from MNL-SIN-MNL. the first hour is bearable but when 2 hours has passed, you will really feel that your bottom is hurting already since the seats are not that soft and the seat barely reclines.:ohno: i hope the configuration of the new A330 is better.

Reminds me of that safety card in PAL regarding thrombosis or something...

OMG, did you guys see the post in Arianespace's blog? 5J is dropping the 777 for BRAND NEW A330s for australia flights!

A330s off the factory, assuming they're the long range ones (A330-xx3) can easily make it to DXB and KWI without much restrictions! (PR's A330s, however, don't have that much range) And given the fact that we have fifth freedom from DXB and KWI, could 5J start a low-cost kangaroo route via MNL and KWI? It's perfectly doable with only 4 aircraft, although not daily.

Funny how the A330s are coming out of converted A320 orders. I guess that, with the cancellation of international flights from CEB and DVO due to the crisis, they have more planes for their regional network.

The other interesting thing I noticed was the addition of PER and BNE flights by PAL by next year. BNE, I can understand (hopefully, with an AKL tag-on) because there are quite a few Pinoys there, but PER? Will this be via SIN or CGK? I honestly don't see a market between MNL and PER that isn't already served by CX and SQ.

using 5J's A320 for a flight longer than 3hrs is really uncomfortable. I experienced riding their flight from MNL-SIN-MNL. the first hour is bearable but when 2 hours has passed, you will really feel that your bottom is hurting already since the seats are not that soft and the seat barely reclines.:ohno: i hope the configuration of the new A330 is better.

i agree and if you seat in the last 5 rows, for as long as the seatbelt sign is off, there will always be someone standing next to you queueing for the toilets..very claustrophobic.

using 5J's A320 for a flight longer than 3hrs is really uncomfortable. I experienced riding their flight from MNL-SIN-MNL. the first hour is bearable but when 2 hours has passed, you will really feel that your bottom is hurting already since the seats are not that soft and the seat barely reclines.:ohno: i hope the configuration of the new A330 is better.

It doesnt matter for me if PAL is little expensive, am looking for my comfort zone during the travel. Still loyal to PAL. maganda ang service.

OMG, did you guys see the post in Arianespace's blog? 5J is dropping the 777 for BRAND NEW A330s for australia flights!

A330s off the factory, assuming they're the long range ones (A330-xx3) can easily make it to DXB and KWI without much restrictions! (PR's A330s, however, don't have that much range) And given the fact that we have fifth freedom from DXB and KWI, could 5J start a low-cost kangaroo route via MNL and KWI? It's perfectly doable with only 4 aircraft, although not daily.

Funny how the A330s are coming out of converted A320 orders. I guess that, with the cancellation of international flights from CEB and DVO due to the crisis, they have more planes for their regional network.

The other interesting thing I noticed was the addition of PER and BNE flights by PAL by next year. BNE, I can understand (hopefully, with an AKL tag-on) because there are quite a few Pinoys there, but PER? Will this be via SIN or CGK? I honestly don't see a market between MNL and PER that isn't already served by CX and SQ.

What is his blogsite?

So 5J has gotten tempted to go out of its pure LCC strategy, good luck to them, perhaps they see the writing on the wall for LCC competition for them. Anyway let's see.

I forgot that sorry, with 3 more and 25 to go. I found out they have an A340.

On another note, our local budget airlines have to be lucky, at least here in MNL. In SIN and KUL, they along with Tiger and AirAsia have to settle for a budget terminal with no train access to the city and bare-essential facilities. Even B6 (JetBlue) doesn't have as spectacular a space in JFK getting a relatively small terminal plus a very old one at LGB. So far budget carriers 5J, 2P and PAL-Ex have the "luxurious" T3 all to themselves.

I have flown to Sing on TR a lot (and KL with AirAsia). It's not luxurious but it's practical even if I need to go to Clark. The seats are tolerable for the 4 hour flight plus I find that leaving at strange hours e.g. 5am from Sing means I sleep on the flight home anyway. The Budget terminal is nothing great but since I take cabs no diff for me , I understand there's a bus to the train station anyway.

I was browsing wikipedia earlier and i saw that PAL ordered 2 A380-800 and is scheduled to be delivered by 2010-2014. I can't find any documentation about this. can somebody confirm this?

What is his blogsite?

So 5J has gotten tempted to go out of its pure LCC strategy, good luck to them, perhaps they see the writing on the wall for LCC competition for them. Anyway let's see.

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com

Widebodies can also go hand-in-hand with LCCs. Just look at Air Asia X. Profitability might be an issue, though.

If 5J converted narrowbody orders into widebody ones, then that probably means that their prospects at expansion using the A320s are slim, especially since Hanoi and Kaoshiung have been axed. The 777s would've been great, as they would've given 5J some flexibility, especially if they were to start US flights, but with CAT II, that doesn't look like it's gonna happen anytime soon


@frequentflier:

Believe it when you see it. While I don't discount A380s appearing with PAL colors someday, it's definitely not gonna be today. Besides, nothing was signed yet.

I was browsing wikipedia earlier and i saw that PAL ordered 2 A380-800 and is scheduled to be delivered by 2010-2014. I can't find any documentation about this. can somebody confirm this?

I was doubting this as well. I'm inclined to remove it. According to the article history, an anon must have done it.

It doesnt matter for me if PAL is quite expensive, am looking for my comfort zone during the travel. Still loyal to PAL. maganda ang service.

yeah, i agree...mas maganda pa rin ang PAL.
guys, i was wondering, pareho lang ba ng distance ang seats ng PAL and Cebu Pacific? parang mas masikip kasi yung sa Cebu Pacific.

I was browsing wikipedia earlier and i saw that PAL ordered 2 A380-800 and is scheduled to be delivered by 2010-2014. I can't find any documentation about this. can somebody confirm this?

I was doubting this as well. I'm inclined to remove it. According to the article history, an anon must have done it.

Well, years ago there were news reports about it. It will make sense that PR might order it in 2010 and receive it in 2014. Besides, if 747s will be phased out as someone suggested in 2015 (I believe), it would be difficult to believe PAL will be without a double-decker jet especially for trans-pacific routes.

Just a bone to pick about the article here: http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page=business5_dec22_2008 . Why would they send a 1st class ticket to Lucio tan if PR buys the A380? I mean, isn't Mr Tan, being the owner of PR eligible to fly first or business class there anytime he wants to?

Plane spotting in Boracay/Caticlan

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PAL Express

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Cebu Pacific

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Zest Air

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...face-to-face, like what i said before~ :D

PAL B747 taxiing at NAIA

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h141/oboi_1/B747.jpg

I see a catering truck!:shocked::lol:

i woould love to see big planes line up in this terminal

@ Noize, nice one. It's more like a belly-to-face shot. :D On that angle, one would not notice 5J's smiling face signature.

PAL B747 taxiing at NAIA

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h141/oboi_1/B747.jpg

is this a pre take off? or after landing photo? i can't imagine a plane going that far up to the end of the runway during landing. nice shot by the way, Merl.

re your Caticlan photos, the planes seem to be landing right at the very shores. where is the runway? have you seen any A320 or B737s?

^^ pre take-off ata yan~ love the caticlan photos btw, :)

^Yup, I think that is the end of the taxiway, in line (note another plane behind) to get to the runway for take-off. "Flight attendants, cross-check and prepare for departure!" :)


Nice shot there @oboi & @Noize_320.

Don't know if this has been posted before:


http://www.flykpa.com/images/image_02.jpg
Kang Pacific Launches its Operation (http://www.flykpa.com/home230907.php)
Kang Pacific Airlines launched its operation with a flight from Clark International Airport in the Philippines to Fujairah. The first flight landed in the soft morning light at Fujairah International Airport on 06th June 2008 at 09.27 hrs. The early morning low profile arrival was greeted by exited staff at the airport who watched in fascination as the MD83 aircraft resplendent in its new colours taxied majestically onto its parking stand.

Kang Pacific has begun their twice weekly operation in association with TransGlobal Airways of the Philippines using a newly acquired Boeing Corporation MD83. Kang Pacific is in negotiation with TransGlobal Airways Corporation to acquire more aircraft which will allow us to increase frequencies on the route to meet the ever growing demand for this new service.

Mr. Paul Kang, CEO of Kang Pacific Airlines and Mr. Tony Kim, CEO, TransGlobal Airways arrived on the first flight tired but very happy with their success. A small reception was held in Fujairah Airport to welcome the first passengers and crew. Mr. Paul Kang and Mr. Tony Kim expressed their appreciation to all those involved in achieving this first arrival for their support and unwavering dedication and belief in the project. They announced with great pride that this was the first ‘Small Landing for a Big Success’.

Kang Pacific will initially offer two flights per week between Fujairah and Clark International in the Philippines between the months of June and November 2008. Flight T7 998 will depart from Clark, the Philippines at 02.00am local time and arrive in Fujairah at 08.15am local time on Mondays and Wednesdays, while flight T7 999 will depart Fujairah at 02.15am local time and arrive in Clark at 04.30pm local time on Tuesdays and Thursdays. Passengers can book through any appointed travel agent or by using the booking facility on our website.
http://www.flykpa.com/image/Route.jpg

Plane spotting in Boracay/Caticlan


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Cebu Pacific



This is how it looks like from above

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I dont see any runway there in your picture lightning099 or you're just showing the areal view of caticlan?

...

Just a bone to pick about the article here: http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/?page=business5_dec22_2008 . Why would they send a 1st class ticket to Lucio tan if PR buys the A380? I mean, isn't Mr Tan, being the owner of PR eligible to fly first or business class there anytime he wants to?

In addition to what you said, PAL has ceased having a first class cabin.

If you read the article quite carefully, you would have noticed the name of the Airline with the first class seat on the first paragraph of that article!

quote:
"NOT only did Jaime Bautista take a roundabout route to get to Toulouse, France last week to fetch Philippine Airlines’ newest Airbus 320, the PAL president even flew, gasp, Singapore Airlines.

Bautista’s Singapore-London flight, his first on the luxury airliner 380, was part of an elaborate courtship ritual by the European aircraft manufacturer keen to extend its 30-year partnership with Asia’s first airline, which is concluding its $840 million, fifteen A320-family fleet modernization program.

“I will send a first-class ticket to [PAL owner] Lucio Tan if he promises to buy the 380,” Airbus chief operating officer John Leahy told a bemused Bautista..."

Yeah, PAL now started to offer bi-class configuration on all their long haul flight's service. Business and economy class which is probably wiser for them.

I was aware of that.

I forgot one key phrase: ...anytime he wants to at no extra cost?

One error in the article that you should have spotted if you are an airline enthusiast : "...after PAL signed the delivery papers for the wide-bodied plane. " Are we getting an A380? haha

updated 1:31 p.m. ET April 20, 2009
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates - Dubai's airport chief said Monday a new airport envisioned as the world's biggest passenger and freight hub could see its first flight pushed back further than planned.

In addition, Dubai Airports CEO Paul Griffiths said the number of runways at the colossal Al Maktoum International Airport has been scaled back to five from the six slated originally.

The new $33 billion facility and surrounding multi-use development, being built in the desert outskirts of Dubai, now isn't expected to see action until at least June 2010, a year later than a previously planned inauguration, Griffiths said in an interview. Even that date is up in the air.


"The question we're now asking is: 'When is the right time to open the new airport?'" Griffiths said from his office overlooking one of Dubai's existing airport arrival halls. "Rather than rush the opening ... we would rather take a longer time, get it absolutely right."

He says officials will review Al Maktoum's opening date in the coming weeks.

The adjustments highlight the flexible approach Dubai aviation officials are taking to cope with the economic downturn, which is killing demand for air travel and crimping global air freight flows.

But they also raise new questions about the heavily indebted Arab boomtown's ambitious airport growth plans. Griffiths' comments come days after a construction contract was withdrawn for expansion work at the existing Dubai International Airport.

Tens of billions of dollars' worth of other Dubai building projects, mostly high-rise condominiums and luxury hotels, have been shelved or canceled altogether as a result of the economic slump.

Al Maktoum International, named after the family that has ruled Dubai for generations, is expected to be the centerpiece of a 140-square kilometer (54-square mile) development combining logistics, housing, shopping and leisure facilities.

The airport itself is designed to handle as many as 160 million passengers and 12 million to 14 million tons of freight each year, potentially making it the world's biggest in terms of passenger and cargo volume.

Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport holds the title of world's busiest passenger airport. Memphis International Airport, used as a hub for shipping giant FedEx Corp., ranks as the world's biggest freight airport.

Griffiths said efficient use of the airport should mean the decision to drop one runway from the design will not affect capacity. It will certainly reduce the price tag, however: the only runway built so far cost 1 billion dirhams ($272.5 million) to complete.

The airport is being constructed about 25 miles (40 kilometers) from downtown Dubai International, which is hemmed in by housing, offices and car dealerships. Dubai's state-run airline Emirates is rapidly expanding its fleet, which will likely put further pressure on the existing airport's space.

Griffiths said the lack of space at Dubai International, which would remain in use once Al Maktoum International opens, means that the new airport is still necessary.

Dubai airport last year handled 37.4 million passengers — well below maximum capacity — but resources could soon become strained at busy times when both passengers and airlines want to fly most, Griffiths said.

Passenger numbers rose 2 percent to 9.5 million in the first quarter of this year.

Dubai International opened a new terminal last October that doubled its capacity to 60 million passengers a year.

Another concourse planned to open in 2011 will increase capacity there to 75 million passengers. Griffiths insisted work on that project remains on schedule despite the withdrawal of a key contract late last week.

Dubai aviation officials and South African construction firm Murray & Roberts Holdings Ltd., one of three companies involved in the deal, said they mutually agreed to end the contract because of an inability to agree on terms.

Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport holds the title of world's busiest passenger airport

Is this accurate? How does a city that barely had the resources to hold the Olympics have this accolade?

^^hub and spoke

Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport holds the title of world's busiest passenger airport

Is this accurate? How does a city that barely had the resources to hold the Olympics have this accolade?

It's DL's megahub on their route network (both for its domestic and international operations). There's an old airline industry joke that says "Before the dead go to heaven, the need to make a stop in ATL first." :lol:

@sloane yes mostly domestic passengers... heathrow is the busiest in terms of international passenger traffic...:)

http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com

Widebodies can also go hand-in-hand with LCCs. Just look at Air Asia X. Profitability might be an issue, though.

If 5J converted narrowbody orders into widebody ones, then that probably means that their prospects at expansion using the A320s are slim, especially since Hanoi and Kaoshiung have been axed. The 777s would've been great, as they would've given 5J some flexibility, especially if they were to start US flights, but with CAT II, that doesn't look like it's gonna happen anytime soon



Thank you for this.

Jury's out for Air Asia X , if it'll be a success, time to wait and see. One diff though it's officially a diff comp from Air Asia.

Me thinks 5J may be opportunistic in their strategy am not sure if this is good for them in the long run, specially when they have to compete under a full ASEAN open skies program. They may be hilaw between a pure LCC model and a Full Service Mainline. Perhaps they see a better future for them this way. Good Luck to them.

@sloane yes mostly domestic passengers... heathrow is the busiest in terms of international passenger traffic...:)
tks..i always knew Heathrow was busiest and then I thought in the US it was O'Hare..so now i know better

ORD and ATL jockey for position from time to time, and it also depends how you're basing the busiest airports on (whether flights or passenger revenues)...

On another note, 15 years ago, PR flew from MNL to NRT via (of all places) Cebu. Back then where is passport control cleared considering passengers can just get off at Cebu?

World's Busiest Airports - Aircraft Movements (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_busiest_airports_by_traffic_movements)
1. ATL
2. ORD
3. DFW
4. DEN
5. LAX
6. LAS
7. IAH
8. CDG
9. CLT
10. PHX

World's Busiest Airports - Passenger Traffic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_busiest_airports_by_passenger_traffic) (Domestic and International)
1. ATL
2. ORD
3. LHR
4. HND
5. CDG
6. LAX
7. DFW
8. PEK
9. FRA
10. DEN

World's Busiest Airports - Passenger Traffic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_busiest_airports_by_international_passenger_traffic) (International only)
1. LHR
2. CDG
3. AMS
4. HKG
5. FRA
6. DXB
7. SIN
8. NRT
9. LGW
10. MAD

World's Busiest Airports - Cargo Traffic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_busiest_airports_by_cargo_traffic)
1. MEM
2. HKG
3. PVG
4. ICN
5. ANC
6. CDG
7. FRA
8. NRT
9. SDF
10. SIN

ORD and ATL jockey for position from time to time, and it also depends how you're basing the busiest airports on (whether flights or passenger revenues)...

On another note, 15 years ago, PR flew from MNL to NRT via (of all places) Cebu. Back then where is passport control cleared considering passengers can just get off at Cebu?

Depends: you don't clear passport control if you fly the domestic sector, but you do if you fly international. At least that's how I know it,and that's why PR 434 (the flight that you're talking about) happened.

Depends: you don't clear passport control if you fly the domestic sector, but you do if you fly international. At least that's how I know it,and that's why PR 434 (the flight that you're talking about) happened.

But where does PR434 fly out of, T1 or the domestic terminal? It would look awkward if it passes through both. I can't imagine a dedicated lane segregating passengers flying domestic only for that flight.

During that time, PAL had a dedicated terminal for itself for larger domestic flights. My guess is (but I don't know), they used the PAL Domestic Terminal 2.

So if that is the case, PR passengers originating at MNL and moving-on to NRT from Cebu has to disembark first and clear passport control there?

But where does PR434 fly out of, T1 or the domestic terminal? It would look awkward if it passes through both. I can't imagine a dedicated lane segregating passengers flying domestic only for that flight.

not again mig, T1 is very unorganized airport, theres no lane there, even the X-ray machine at the back of immigration is not working.:lol::lol::lol: they should improved their airport service first.

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aha, so thats the light blue airline that i saw when i was at NAIA...looks retro-looking~ :D

is this a pre take off? or after landing photo? i can't imagine a plane going that far up to the end of the runway during landing. nice shot by the way, Merl.

Thanks Kiko.

It's on the taxiway and about to turn towards the runway for take off.


re your Caticlan photos, the planes seem to be landing right at the very shores. where is the runway? have you seen any A320 or B737s?

The runway isn't visible since it's surrounded by coconut trees but it's one end is close to the beach. I don't think the airport can handle any A320s or B737s yet since it's quite short. Flew to Caticlan once on board the now defunct Asian Spirit. The aiport isn't that far from the jetty since I just walked it from the airport to the pier.

But where does PR434 fly out of, T1 or the domestic terminal? It would look awkward if it passes through both. I can't imagine a dedicated lane segregating passengers flying domestic only for that flight.


not again mig, T1 is very unorganized airport, theres no lane there, even the X-ray machine at the back of immigration is not working.:lol::lol::lol: they should improved their airport service first.

PAL all fly out of T2, I'm not sure what the procedure there but I think you do have to transfer from domestic wing to the international wing so you would probably be ushered to passport control/immigration for processing and then you would be directed to your boarding gate.

All PAL aircrafts are parked in T2. PAL express however use the new T3 so, you would probably have to transfer to T2 from T3 if you have an ongoing international and final destination.

5J Landing at Caticlan Airport, Malay, Aklan

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PAL all fly out of T2, I'm not sure what the procedure there but I think you do have to transfer from domestic wing to the international wing so you would probably be ushered to passport control/immigration for processing and then you would be directed to your boarding gate.

All PAL aircrafts are parked in T2. PAL express however use the new T3 so, you would probably have to transfer to T2 from T3 if you have an ongoing international and final destination.

I was talking about 15 years ago when PR's international flights were at T1, domestic flights at the old domestic terminal and PR had an international flight for Tokyo via Cebu.

^^ nice..

Caticlan Airport is the smaller version of Princess Juliana International Airport in Netherlands Antilles...

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5J Landing at Caticlan Airport, Malay, Aklan

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:okay:

wow, now thats a planespotter's paradise...reminds me of princess juliana airport if i'm right~ :yes:

oh, naunahan pala ako..hehehe~

Zest Air at Busuanga Airport

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^^ nice..

Caticlan Airport is the smaller version of Princess Juliana International Airport in Netherlands Antilles...

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/8/5/6/1050658.jpg



Try wind surfing here.. wait for a plane then go :lol:

^^^

...hoping you won't get deaf. haha

Our local version

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^^ or the asphalt scraping you, the landing gears crushing you, the engines chopping you...daming possibilities d:lol:b d:lol:b d:lol:b

Good thing those were not A320s or bigger aircraft or those people behind it would of been blown away like a little paper doll or toys...lol

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may sampayan pa hahahah :lol::lol::lol:

I was talking about 15 years ago when PR's international flights were at T1, domestic flights at the old domestic terminal and PR had an international flight for Tokyo via Cebu.

PAL's international flights before T2 opened operated out of T1. If you were connecting to a domestic flight you had to ride a 'connecting' Shuttle Bus to the old Domestic Airport. The TI to domestic Airport shuttle bus and a similar bus to T2 and T3 is in existence shuttling passengers from other international airlines connecting to their domestic flights.

BTW, just some info about passenger loads to and from Australia. It has not been stellar meaning 'full and profitable' as of late. I was on a flight last month Sydney-Melbourne-Manila and there were only eleven passengers out of Sydney in the A330 aircraft. Sixty more passengers boarded in Melbourne for the trek to Manila. Still I thought the passenger load was too low a count to make make money even break even.

Australia like all other world economies has been hit hard by the recession and people there are being wary about traveling and spending their money elsewhere. Looking at the brighter side, I hope things will pick up in the coming winter season load and revenue wise for PAL to sustain in the Australian market.

Cebu Pacific's impending entry to the Australia market (Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane) will even make things more competitive. I am sure the bigwigs at PAL are looking at the improving their marketing policies and improving the quality of service. There are no plans for immediate build up of PAL's routes to Australia despite rumors of new flights to Perth and Brisbane in 2010.This early, PAL marketing have rolled out a so called 'Australian Stimulus Package' slashing fares to the Philippines and offering a free domestic flight ticket as a plus for travel until November of this year. Balikbayans and Aussie tourists planning to visit the Philippines then can avail of this PAL ticket sale now ongoing.

Meanwhile, PAL dominates the trans Pacific market with our flights to the US West Coast continuing to enjoy full passenger loads and good revenue. It is just too bad that FAA's Category 2 downgrade on the Philippines wont be lifted anytime soon. With the arrival of the first 2 (of 6 ordered) 777 - 300 ER aircraft slated in early 2010, PAL is ready to expand its US operations with new flights to San Diego, New York and Chicago .

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/6/7/3/1343376.jpg


Usually when a plane is approaching to land, traffic is stopped from passing this section of the road until the plane has landed. You can see it above that a makeshift bamboo pole is used to stop the motorcycles.

BTW, just some info about passenger loads to and from Australia. It has not been stellar meaning 'full and profitable' as of late. I was on a flight last month Sydney-Melbourne-Manila and there were only eleven passengers out of Sydney in the A330 aricraft. Sixty more passengers boarded in Melbourne for the trek to Manila. Still I thought the passenger load was too low a count to make make money even break even.

Australia like all other world economies has been hit hard by the recession and people there are being wary about traveling and spending their money elsewhere. Looking at the brighter side, I hope things will pick up in the coming winter season load and revenue wise for PAL to sustain in the Australian market.

Cebu Pacific's impending entry to the Australia market (Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane) will even make things more competitive. I am sure the bigwigs at PAL are looking at the improving their marketing policies and improving the quality of service. There are no plans for immediate build up of PAL's routes to Australia despite ruomrs of new flights to Perth and Brisbane in 2010.This early, PAL marketing have rolled out a so called 'Australian Stimulus Package' slashing fares to the Philippines and offering a free domestic flight ticket as a plus for Balikbayans and Aussie tourists planning to visit the Philippines until November this year. The airline ticket sale is currently ongoing.

Meanwhile, PAL dominates the trans Pacific market with our flights to the US West Coast continuing to enjoy full passenger loads and good revenue. It is just too bad that FAA's Category 2 downgrade on the Philippines wont be lifted anytime soon as PAL ,with arrival of the first 2 (of 6 ordered) 777 - 300 ER aircraft slated by early 2010, is ready to expand its US operations with new flights to San Diego, New York and Chicago .

1. A flight to Australia is already considered long by PR's standards. With them choosing to retain the A330, it may be a boring flight especially with a more limited audio and video selection and capabilities. Plus, the seat for business class isn't yet at the top of global standards unlike some of those recently arrived. I always preferred they use their A340, at least their former "First Class" seats are marketed as Business class. Having said that, would you prefer they use their A340 for Australian routes?

2. You're right in saying we shouldn't expect FAA to return us to Category 1 anytime soon. This is especially after the runway incident early Monday morning. But if they were to return us to JFK or ORD, do you think they be nonstop? I trust the downgrade isn't PR's fault.

3. Around this time last year, PR said the A340s will also be upgraded along with the B744s but in recent press releases, focus for the refurbishing is on the jumbo jets. Would you know if the A340s will get their upgrade as originally planned?

1. A flight to Australia is already considered long by PR's standards. With them choosing to retain the A330, it may be a boring flight especially with a more limited audio and video selection and capabilities. Plus, the seat for business class isn't yet at the top of global standards unlike some of those recently arrived. I always preferred they use their A340, at least their former "First Class" seats are marketed as Business class. Having said that, would you prefer they use their A340 for Australian routes?

MNL-SYD is 3371 nm
MNL-MEL is 3397 nm

Both legs are perfectly within the range of PR's A330-301s. The A330-300 was designed specifically for routes like these. The A330-300 is also far more fuel-efficient when compared to its A340 counterpart. The A340-313x is a long-haul plane that would be more efficient if used on routes with distances beyond 5200nm.

The A340-300s of PAL have less seats not only because of its 3-class configuration, but also because of its crew rest. It would be a rather inefficient use of space, since, while indeed a long route, the SYD/MEL routes can be done without a crew rest.

Also bear in mind that PAL doesn't have that many A340s, and with CATII slapped on the Philippines, the A340 is one of the aircraft that PAL is still allowed to use on their US routes. Sacrificing A340s just for Australia would be less than optimal given that 747s are going to the shop to be reconfigured one by one. The A340s are needed more for their long-haul capabilities.

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2. You're right in saying we shouldn't expect FAA to return us to Category 1 anytime soon. This is especially after the runway incident early Monday morning. But if they were to return us to JFK or ORD, do you think they be nonstop? I trust the downgrade isn't PR's fault.





^^^^On your number 2 statement? How will it affect the lifting of category 2 by FAA in NAIA when all it was is just a tire of the aircraft blew up. FAA is more looking into security issues particularly on trans pacific flights, airport/personnel management and such. The maintenance of the aircrafts is a responsibility of the airline companies. That is a separate entity and does not necessarily affects the ratings of an airport.

Speculations looks like PAL thru the prodding of the Philippine Department of Tourism might just be ready to introduce direct flights to New Delhi, India by August of this year. It is not clear as to what aircraft type is to be utlized. My best guess is it's going to be an A330 unless they want to make a refueling stop in Bangkok or Singapore with the use of an A320.

I'll believe this when they actually announce the new route.

BTW, Manila-Melbourne is 8 hours travel time on PAL. After a 30 minute deplaning of passengers bound for Melbourne, the aircraft is off for the 1 hour flight to Sydney. Depending on the day of the week, PAL flies direct to Sydney then on to Melbourne.

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BTW, just some info about passenger loads to and from Australia. It has not been stellar meaning 'full and profitable' as of late. I was on a flight last month Sydney-Melbourne-Manila and there were only eleven passengers out of Sydney in the A330 aircraft. Sixty more passengers boarded in Melbourne for the trek to Manila. Still I thought the passenger load was too low a count to make make money even break even.

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How about cargo? I heard that on some routes, PAL has to deploy widebodies even if A320s can handle the flight because of the cargo volume. Of course, only widebodies can fly MNL-OZ, but so far, we have not seen PAL reduce back its frequencies to Australia from the current daily which was increased only less than a year ago, IIRC.

But if they were to return us to JFK or ORD, do you think they be nonstop?

If PR does resume service to JFK (or EWR) and/or ORD, I'm guessing they'd route it through YVR, which (in my opinion) is already their "unofficial" North American hub. Although a nonstop flight from MNL to the US East Coast isn't impossible, PR would have to have new aircraft for that service, like the A340-500 (that TG and SQ have on some of their North American flights).

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... But if they were to return us to JFK or ORD, do you think they be nonstop? ...

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Hmm... I don't think the 77Ws can make the flights:

MNL-ORD = 8100+ miles
MNL-NYC = 8500+ miles

77W range = 7900+ miles

Options for a one-stop service are quite limited. They can fly via an Asian country (NRT, ICN, etc.) or Europe, but they will be facing tough competition from the various 5-star carriers with multiple daily frequencies.

If they stop in Canada or the US, then fifth freedom would be limited or impossible, respectively. Probably just a refueling stop, just like the return US West coast to MNL.

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3. Around this time last year, PR said the A340s will also be upgraded along with the B744s but in recent press releases, focus for the refurbishing is on the jumbo jets. Would you know if the A340s will get their upgrade as originally planned?

I believe they are still in limbo. I don't think even PAL knows if they will push through with the A340 refurbishments or not.

If PR does resume service to JFK (or EWR) and/or ORD, I'm guessing they'd route it through YVR, which (in my opinion) is already their "unofficial" North American hub. Although a nonstop flight from MNL to the US East Coast isn't impossible, PR would have to have new aircraft for that service, like the A340-500 (that TG and SQ have on some of their North American flights).

I think PAL is better off waiting for a more capable A350 or 787 to launch nonstops to NYC (JFK/ EWR), etc. The A345s have been reported to be quite difficult to operate efficiently due to their very high fuel consumption. But yes, it is possible to fly nonstop if they really wanted to.

MNL-SYD is 3371 nm
MNL-MEL is 3397 nm

Both legs are perfectly within the range of PR's A330-301s. The A330-300 was designed specifically for routes like these. The A330-300 is also far more fuel-efficient when compared to its A340 counterpart. The A340-313x is a long-haul plane that would be more efficient if used on routes with distances beyond 5200nm.

The A340-300s of PAL have less seats not only because of its 3-class configuration, but also because of its crew rest. It would be a rather inefficient use of space, since, while indeed a long route, the SYD/MEL routes can be done without a crew rest.

Also bear in mind that PAL doesn't have that many A340s, and with CATII slapped on the Philippines, the A340 is one of the aircraft that PAL is still allowed to use on their US routes. Sacrificing A340s just for Australia would be less than optimal given that 747s are going to the shop to be reconfigured one by one. The A340s are needed more for their long-haul capabilities.

I understand the A330 is in perfect range for flights to SYD (I know the A330 which is a "regional" aircraft for most 5-star carriers but a long-haul intercontinental by European carriers) but that's not my issue. My issue is that this is a long flight by PR's standards and the kinds of business class seats offered won't make it much of a restful journey for such travellers. The A330 is almost certainly ruled-out from refurbishment (in fact, the A330s I rode since late 2007 have sported a refreshed look for their seats similar to the A320).

Oh yeah, can PR transport passengers getting-on at SYD and getting-off at MEL (i.e. a domestic flight in Australia and not getting on or off at MNL)?

Hmm... I don't think the 77Ws can make the flights:

MNL-ORD = 8100+ miles
MNL-NYC = 8500+ miles

77W range = 7900+ miles

Options for a one-stop service are quite limited. They can fly via an Asian country (NRT, ICN, etc.) or Europe, but they will be facing tough competition from the various 5-star carriers with multiple daily frequencies.

If they stop in Canada or the US, then fifth freedom would be limited or impossible, respectively. Probably just a refueling stop, just like the return US West coast to MNL.



I believe they are still in limbo. I don't think even PAL knows if they will push through with the A340 refurbishments or not.

The 77W is in use by CX for its HKG-JFK route. Who knows how far JFK and HKG are for each other? They used to use the slightly shorter-range A346 for that same route and the A346 I believe was also designed for a JFK-MNL route (airbus even showed it can travel that far). Plus I doubt if YVR can be a hub as RP probably may have used-up all its Canadian entitlements.

Who knows how far JFK and HKG are for each other?

8,059 miles (12,968 kilometers)

I understand the A330 is in perfect range for flights to SYD (I know the A330 which is a "regional" aircraft for most 5-star carriers but a long-haul intercontinental by European carriers) but that's not my issue. My issue is that this is a long flight by PR's standards and the kinds of business class seats offered won't make it much of a restful journey for such travellers. The A330 is almost certainly ruled-out from refurbishment (in fact, the A330s I rode since late 2007 have sported a refreshed look for their seats similar to the A320).

Oh yeah, can PR transport passengers getting-on at SYD and getting-off at MEL (i.e. a domestic flight in Australia and not getting on or off at MNL)?



The 77W is in use by CX for its HKG-JFK route. Who knows how far JFK and HKG are for each other? They used to use the slightly shorter-range A346 for that same route and the A346 I believe was also designed for a JFK-MNL route (airbus even showed it can travel that far). Plus I doubt if YVR can be a hub as RP probably may have used-up all its Canadian entitlements.

BTW, CO flies non-stop between EWR and HKG on a 77E though load restricted. Perhaps, a refuelling stop in Anchorage for ORD or JFK? Or, maybe, ORD or JFK via ICN?

I don't think the 346 has shorter range compared to 77W.

Do PAL's loads to LAX warrant double daily 77W flights, assuming RP's back to Cat 1?

I think PAL is better off waiting for a more capable A350 or 787 to launch nonstops to NYC (JFK/ EWR), etc. The A345s have been reported to be quite difficult to operate efficiently due to their very high fuel consumption. But yes, it is possible to fly nonstop if they really wanted to.

The Boeing 787-10 reportedly has the range to fly JFK-MNL non-stop. Hopefully PAL gets this aircraft. :D

8,059 miles (12,968 kilometers)

8059 miles are in terms of statutory or nautical miles?

BTW, CO flies non-stop between EWR and HKG on a 77E though load restricted. Perhaps, a refuelling stop in Anchorage for ORD or JFK? Or, maybe, ORD or JFK via ICN?

I don't think the 346 has shorter range compared to 77W.

Do PAL's loads to LAX warrant double daily 77W flights, assuming RP's back to Cat 1?


I read the A346 slightly shorter than the 77W (by upto 200-400 nm I believe).

Yes, a 77W between LAX and MNL would very much be appreciated. PR is the only SEA carrier (except MH) without an entirely non-stop flight both ways to the US. A 77W will dramatically make a truly non-stop flight happen. Question, why doesn't YVR-MNL have a stop despite the fact they're using an A343?

8059 miles are in terms of statutory or nautical miles?

Distance is calculated "as the crow flies." It uses the latitude and longitude of the cities to calculate the distance.

8059 miles are in terms of statutory or nautical miles?




I read the A346 slightly shorter than the 77W (by upto 200-400 nm I believe).

Yes, a 77W between LAX and MNL would very much be appreciated. PR is the only SEA carrier (except MH) without an entirely non-stop flight both ways to the US. A 77W will dramatically make a truly non-stop flight happen. Question, why doesn't YVR-MNL have a stop despite the fact they're using an A343?


I think one other consideration is the load. Thank goodness someone mentioned here it is 9-abreast unlike EK which uses 10. With that said, it will be possible to fly nonstop between MNL-JFK.

^^ i'd prefer a flight from nyc-mnl WITH a stop... para kasing masakit sa pwet ang nakaupo ng 15+ hours...:nuts::lol:

^^ i'd prefer a flight from nyc-mnl WITH a stop... para kasing masakit sa pwet ang nakaupo ng 15+ hours...:nuts::lol:

You can look at this site:

http://boeing.com/commercial/777family/pf/pf_rc_newyork.html

MNL can still be served by JFK using a 77W, even at the borderline. It is all about PR being strict about its load. Although I don't expect the load to be as heavy as the west coast flights since not that many Filipinos are on the east.

Some prefer nonstops and just get the journey over with. My preference is that it's ok to have a stop if we are free to explore the terminal area, unlike in HNL where we can't deplane or YVR where we are confined to a tightly-controlled holding area.

^^
Hey guys, hold your horses!

This is quite an interesting debate but sadly you forgot the most important point in aviation. WIND! Remember, both Airbus and Boeing classified their aircraft to fly that far on zero wind conditions.

All those flights, from Atlantic to the Pacific, from North Pole to South pole, are sadly governed by winds. For the well versed, they call it trade winds or jet stream if you will.

Did you know that there are occasions when LAX PR flight don't bother to stop at Guam for refueling? And didn't you know that flight-plans are not always straight line other than following the contours of the earth?

You may proceed now with the debate. :)

The Boeing 787-10 reportedly has the range to fly JFK-MNL non-stop. Hopefully PAL gets this aircraft. :D

Nope.:D Boeing mentioned that the 787-9 can fly between MNL and NYC non-stop. Also, Airbus (in its website) used the pairing MNL-NYC as a route the A346 can fly non-stop.

^^
Hey guys, hold your horses!

This is quite an interesting debate but sadly you forgot the most important point in aviation. WIND! Remember, both Airbus and Boeing classified their aircraft to fly that far on zero wind conditions.

All those flights, from Atlantic to the Pacific, from North Pole to South pole, are sadly governed by winds. For the well versed, they call it trade winds or jet stream if you will.

Did you know that there are occasions when LAX PR flight don't bother to stop at Guam for refueling? And didn't you know that flight-plans are not always straight line other than following the contours of the earth?

You may proceed now with the debate. :)

Having said that, the wind should be favourable to the flight going eastbound. But how does wind put pressure on the fuel used? I know they can increase (or sometimes) decrease the time required to hit a destination. MNL-YVR for instance can fly less than a flight from MNL-SFO but YVR-MNL was more than 13 hours. Weight I understand absolutely does put pressure so the balikbayan boxes pinoys send back home can put a strain on fuel requirements.

Why are nonstop MNL-AMS flights advertised 13 or 14 hours considering they are 6 or 7 timezones apart while MNL-SFO, MNL-LAX or MNL-YVR can sometimes be less than 12 hours with them being 8 or 9 timezones away (not considering the international date line)? Who flew between MNL and AMS and how long was the flight based on experienced?

Having said that, the wind should be favourable to the flight going eastbound. But how does wind put pressure on the fuel used? I know they can increase (or sometimes) decrease the time required to hit a destination. MNL-YVR for instance can fly less than a flight from MNL-SFO but YVR-MNL was more than 13 hours. Weight I understand absolutely does put pressure so the balikbayan boxes pinoys send back home can put a strain on fuel requirements.

Why are nonstop MNL-AMS flights advertised 13 or 14 hours considering they are 6 or 7 timezones apart while MNL-SFO, MNL-LAX or MNL-YVR can sometimes be less than 12 hours with them being 8 or 9 timezones away (not considering the international date line)? Who flew between MNL and AMS and how long was the flight based on experienced?

MNL-AMS non stop via KLM is about 13 hrs..

MNL-AMS non stop via KLM is about 13 hrs..

Ok let's take that fact for a second. Why does it take that long considering it is only 6-7 timezones away from MNL while YVR, SFO and LAX are 8-9 timezones but take less than 12 hours to travel from MNL?

Top 100 Airlines of the World 2009
Top 100 Airlines by Number of Flights for w/c 20/04/09

Top 100 Airlines by Number of Flights for w/c
20/04/09




Ranking
Airline Code
Airline Name
Frequency




1
DL
DELTA AIR LINES
25,279



2

AA
AMERICAN AIRLINES
24,476



3
US

US AIRWAYS
22,673



4
WN
SOUTHWEST
AIRLINES

22,551



5
UA
UNITED AIRLINES
22,157




6
CO
CONTINENTAL
AIRLINES
17,927




7
NW
NORTHWEST
AIRLINES
16,226




8
LH
LUFTHANSA GERMAN
AIRLINES
13,755



9

AF
AIR FRANCE
10,893



10
AC

AIR CANADA
10,030



11
CZ
CHINA SOUTHERN
AIRLINES

9,701



12
MU
CHINA EASTERN
AIRLINES
8,304




13
FR
RYANAIR
7,810




14
NH
ALL NIPPON
AIRWAYS
6,606




15
U2
EASYJET
6,600



16

IB
IBERIA
6,348



17
JJ

TAM LINHAS AEREAS
6,232



18
CA
AIR CHINA

6,153



19
BA
BRITISH AIRWAYS
5,736




20
SK
SAS SCANDINAVIAN
AIRLINES
5,726




21
AS
ALASKA AIRLINES
5,682




22
JL
JAPAN AIRLINES
INTERNATIONAL
5,168



23

G3
VARIG-GOL
AIRLINES/ VRG LINHAS AEREAS S.A.
4,936



24

QF
QANTAS AIRWAYS
4,907



25
FL

AIRTRAN AIRWAYS
4,808



26
B6
JETBLUE AIRWAYS
CORPORATION

4,392



27
KL
KLM-ROYAL DUTCH
AIRLINES
4,178




28
NZ
AIR NEW ZEALAND
4,064




29
TK
TURKISH AIRLINES
3,843




30
AB
AIR BERLIN
3,656



31

AM
AEROMEXICO
3,510



32
AZ

NEW ALITALIA
3,257



33
BE
FLYBE

3,252



34
IT
KINGFISHER
AIRLINES
3,045




35
DJ
VIRGIN BLUE
3,014




36
MX
MEXICANA DE
AVIACION
2,856




37
ZH
SHENZHEN AIRLINES
2,839



38

LX
SWISS
2,779



39
HU

HAINAN AIRLINES
2,778



40
OS
AUSTRIAN AIRLINES
AG

2,763



41
WS
WESTJET
2,701




42
MH
MALAYSIA AIRLINES
2,690




43
SV
SAUDI ARABIAN
AIRLINES
2,661




44
KE
KOREAN AIR
2,622



45

9W
JET AIRWAYS INDIA
2,547



46
SA

SOUTH AFRICAN
AIRWAYS
2,463



47
IC
INDIAN AIRLINES

2,229



48
F9
FRONTIER AIRLINES
INC.
2,204




49
EK
EMIRATES
2,147




50
AK
AIRASIA
2,116




51
AV
AVIANCA
2,108



52

WF
WIDEROE'S
FLYVESELSKAP
2,023



53
ZK

GREAT LAKES
AIRLINES
1,990



54
TP
TAP AIR PORTUGAL

1,976



55
MF
XIAMEN AIRLINES
COMPANY
1,918




56
9K
CAPE AIR
1,900




57
DY
NORWEGIAN AIR
SHUTTLE
1,894




58
GA
GARUDA INDONESIA
1,859



59

OZ
ASIANA AIRLINES
1,847



60
LA

LAN AIRLINES
1,839



61
FM
SHANGHAI AIRLINES

1,804



62
TG
THAI AIRWAYS
INTERNATIONAL
1,772




63
2F
FRONTIER FLYING
SERVICE
1,762




64
MS
EGYPTAIR
1,743




65
OA
OLYMPIC AIRLINES
1,731



66

AY
FINNAIR
1,709



67
CM

COPA AIRLINES
1,676



68
5J
CEBU PACIFIC AIR

1,661



69
PR
PHILIPPINE
AIRLINES
1,647




70
SU
AEROFLOT RUSSIAN
AIRLINES
1,603




71
3U
SICHUAN AIRLINES
1,568




72
EI
AER LINGUS
1,566



73

LO
LOT - POLISH
AIRLINES
1,523



74
SC

SHANDONG AIRLINES
1,521



75
SN
BRUSSELS AIRLINES

1,520



76
CX
CATHAY PACIFIC
AIRWAYS
1,505




77
OK
CZECH AIRLINES
1,474




78
BD
BMI BRITISH
MIDLAND
1,464




79
JK
SPANAIR
1,438



80

SQ
SINGAPORE
AIRLINES
1,426



81
QR

QATAR AIRWAYS
1,412



82
JQ
JETSTAR AIRWAYS

1,404



83
HA
HAWAIIAN AIRLINES
1,392




84
VN
VIETNAM AIRLINES
1,353




85
AP
AIR ONE
1,335




86
JT
LION AIR
1,313



87

YX
MIDWEST AIRLINES
1,310



88
X3

TUIFLY
1,295



89
4U
GERMANWINGS

1,221



90
A3
AEGEAN AIRLINES
1,193




91
AR
AEROLINEAS
ARGENTINAS
1,180




92
ZL
REGIONAL EXPRESS
1,175




93
NT
BINTER CANARIAS
1,084



94

GS
GRAND CHINA
EXPRESS
1,068



95
MA

MALEV HUNGARIAN
AIRLINES
1,066



96
PK
PAKISTAN
INTERNATIONAL AIRLINES

1,052



97
4C
AIRES
1,043




98
NK
SPIRIT AIRLINES
1,024




99
UX
AIR EUROPA
1,019




100
6E
INDIGO AIR
1,016

Top 100 International Airports 2009
Top 100 Airports by Seat Capacity Available on International Departing Flights for w/c 20/04/09




Ranking Departure Departure Airport Name Total Number

Airport Code
of Seats
1 LHR LONDON HEATHROW APT 803,227
2 CDG PARIS CHARLES DE GAULLE APT 701,654
3 HKG HONG KONG INTERNATIONAL APT 623,585
4 FRA FRANKFURT INTERNATIONAL APT 609,436
5 DXB DUBAI 543,668
6 AMS AMSTERDAM 523,848
7 SIN SINGAPORE CHANGI APT 502,922
8 BKK BANGKOK SUVARNABHUMI INTERNATIONAL APT 437,931
9 ICN SEOUL INCHEON INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT 387,656
10 NRT TOKYO NARITA APT 385,325
11 MAD MADRID BARAJAS APT 372,604
12 MUC MUNICH INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT 321,979
13 TPE TAIPEI TAIWAN TAOYUAN INTERNATIONAL APT 302,036
14 ZRH ZURICH AIRPORT 282,988
15 JFK NEW YORK J F KENNEDY INTERNATIONAL APT 280,291
16 FCO ROME FIUMICINO APT 278,310
17 LGW LONDON GATWICK APT 277,732
18 KUL KUALA LUMPUR INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT 277,115
19 DUB DUBLIN 247,693
20 IST ISTANBUL ATATURK AIRPORT 246,932
21 VIE VIENNA 244,142
22 BRU BRUSSELS AIRPORT 240,921
23 CPH COPENHAGEN APT 238,464
24 PVG SHANGHAI PUDONG INTERNATIONAL APT 228,254
25 MIA MIAMI INTERNATIONAL APT 215,496
26 BCN BARCELONA APT 209,778
27 MXP MILAN MALPENSA APT 197,999
28 YYZ TORONTO LESTER B PEARSON INTL APT 196,276
29 STN LONDON STANSTED APT 189,761
30 DOH DOHA 186,653
31 LAX LOS ANGELES INTERNATIONAL APT 183,091
32 PEK BEIJING CAPITAL APT 178,473
33 ORY PARIS ORLY APT 176,639
34 DUS DUSSELDORF INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT 160,163
35 CAI CAIRO 158,192
36 EWR NEWARK LIBERTY INTERNATIONAL APT 149,706
37 PRG PRAGUE 148,246
38 ARN STOCKHOLM ARLANDA APT 147,855
39 BAH BAHRAIN 147,470
40 ATH ATHENS INTL ELEFTHERIOS VENIZELOS APT 146,570
41 MNL MANILA NINOY AQUINO INTERNATIONAL APT 146,062
42 LIS LISBON 145,797
43 ORD CHICAGO O'HARE INTERNATIONAL APT 143,142
44 SYD SYDNEY KINGSFORD SMITH APT 142,385
45 AUH ABU DHABI INTERNATIONAL APT 141,953
46 GVA GENEVA 138,595
47 PMI PALMA MALLORCA 136,288
48 KIX OSAKA KANSAI INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT 133,426
49 MAN MANCHESTER INTERNATIONAL APT 133,036
50 HEL HELSINKI 130,748
51 SVO MOSCOW SHEREMETYEVO INTERNATIONAL APT 122,292
52 OSL OSLO AIRPORT 119,019
53 ATL ATLANTA HARTSFIELD-JACKSON INTL APT 118,995
54 GRU SAO PAULO GUARULHOS INTL APT 118,049
55 TLV TEL AVIV BEN GURION INTERNATIONAL APT 117,263
56 KWI KUWAIT 116,784
57 BOM MUMBAI 115,946
58 BUD BUDAPEST 115,886
59 JNB JOHANNESBURG O.R. TAMBO INTERNATIONAL 114,420
60 DEL DELHI 112,959
61 MEX MEXICO CITY JUAREZ INTERNATIONAL APT 109,264
62 JED JEDDAH 108,725
63 DME MOSCOW DOMODEDOVO APT 108,266
64 AGP MALAGA 107,904
65 CGK JAKARTA SOEKARNO-HATTA APT 105,539
66 EZE BUENOS AIRES MINISTRO PISTARINI 104,564
67 IAH HOUSTON GEORGE BUSH INTERCONTINENTAL AP 104,481
68 SJU SAN JUAN LUIS MUNOZ MARIN INTL APT 101,860
69 SFO SAN FRANCISCO INTERNATIONAL APT 100,109
70 LTN LONDON LUTON APT 98,880
71 CUN CANCUN 98,062
72 TXL BERLIN TEGEL APT 96,625
73 WAW WARSAW 90,590
74 IAD WASHINGTON DULLES INTERNATIONAL APT 88,431
75 NCE NICE 88,173
76 YVR VANCOUVER INTERNATIONAL APT 87,236
77 RUH RIYADH 85,326
78 HAM HAMBURG AIRPORT 84,335
79 SGN HO CHI MINH CITY 84,293
80 AKL AUCKLAND INTERNATIONAL APT 83,999
81 BHX BIRMINGHAM INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT 82,574
82 PTY PANAMA CITY TOCUMEN INTERNATIONAL 81,399
83 ALC ALICANTE 77,101
84 STR STUTTGART AIRPORT 75,908
85 YUL MONTREAL PIERRE ELLIOTT TRUDEAU INT APT 73,386
86 CGN COLOGNE/BONN K.A.APT 70,949
87 CMN CASABLANCA MOHAMED V APT 70,098
88 LIM LIMA 69,568
89 MCT MUSCAT 68,891
90 MFM MACAU 67,346
91 BEY BEIRUT 66,127
92 AMM AMMAN QUEEN ALIA INTERNATIONAL APT 65,534
93 MEL MELBOURNE AIRPORT 64,992
94 BGY MILAN ORIO AL SERIO APT 63,830
95 DFW DALLAS/FORT WORTH INTL APT 63,772
96 NGO NAGOYA CHUBU CENTRAIR INTERNATIONAL APT 63,731
97 CAN GUANGZHOU 62,635
98 VCE VENICE MARCO POLO APT 62,454
99 OTP BUCHAREST OTOPENI APT 62,034
100 RIX RIGA 61,370

Philippine's busiest airports by passenger traffic 2008

1. Manila (Ninoy Aquino International Airport) - 22,253,158

2. Cebu (Mactan-Cebu International Airport) - 3,642,862

3. Davao (Francisco Bangoy International Airport) - 1,692,877

4. Iloilo (Iloilo International Airport) - 1,073,907

5. Cagayan de Oro (Lumbia Airport) - 902,184

6. Bacolod (Bacolod-Silay City International Airport) - 843,488

7. Caticlan (Godofredo P. Ramos Airport) - 761,961

8. Tacloban (Daniel Z. Romualdez Airport) - 627,201

9. Puerto Princessa (puerto Princesa Airport) - 481,756

10. Zamboanga (Zamboanga International Airport) - 469,540

11. Kalibo (Kalibo Airport) - 400,042

Source: http://www.caap.gov.ph/

^^...nice info...thanks for sharing..:cheers:

That info is nice to know. I am still haven't a clue though why it takes 13+ hours to go nonstop from AMS-MNL considering they are 6-7 timezones apart from each other while YVR, SFO and LAX are 8-9 timezones but take less than 12 hours to travel from MNL?

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^^
Hey guys, hold your horses!

This is quite an interesting debate but sadly you forgot the most important point in aviation. WIND! Remember, both Airbus and Boeing classified their aircraft to fly that far on zero wind conditions.

All those flights, from Atlantic to the Pacific, from North Pole to South pole, are sadly governed by winds. For the well versed, they call it trade winds or jet stream if you will.

Did you know that there are occasions when LAX PR flight don't bother to stop at Guam for refueling? And didn't you know that flight-plans are not always straight line other than following the contours of the earth?

You may proceed now with the debate. :)

Might be a stupid question: A MNL-SFO flight flies over Pacific. Where does a MNL-AMS fly over? Eurasian continent?

Philippine's busiest airports by passenger traffic 2008

1. Manila (Ninoy Aquino International Airport) - 22,253,158

2. Cebu (Mactan-Cebu International Airport) - 3,642,862

3. Davao (Francisco Bangoy International Airport) - 1,692,877

4. Iloilo (Iloilo International Airport) - 1,073,907

5. Cagayan de Oro (Lumbia Airport) - 902,184

6. Bacolod (Bacolod-Silay City International Airport) - 843,488

7. Caticlan (Godofredo P. Ramos Airport) - 761,961

8. Tacloban (Daniel Z. Romualdez Airport) - 627,201

9. Puerto Princessa (puerto Princesa Airport) - 481,756

10. Zamboanga (Zamboanga International Airport) - 469,540

11. Kalibo (Kalibo Airport) - 400,042

Source: http://www.caap.gov.ph/


And a comparison of 2007 and 2008 figures

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h141/oboi_1/stats.jpg

^^ I noticed the tremendous decrease of flights in Kalibo and an remarkable increase in Caticlan. Could this be because of the opening of then Air Philippines (now PAL Express) and Cebu Pacific to Boracay's major airport by adopting the turboprops because these major airliners back then were limited with their jets (which can only go Kalibo if they have a Bora market).

Might be a stupid question: A MNL-SFO flight flies over Pacific. Where does a MNL-AMS fly over? Eurasian continent?

IMO: Depends on the Airline company. Each airline has it's own flight path. For example, a Middle East Carrier (with layover in say, Bahrain) takes a southward path (through the Balkan States), then the continuing segment might take a path through the Sub-continent towards Southeast Asia... Chinese Carriers might take the path of the former Soviet States, Eastern China, then towards HKG, from HKG to S.China Sea, towards the Eastern seaboard of Luzon... and so on, and so forth...

It also depends on Air Transport Agreements between each country (open skies policy, and the like).

my 2 cents :)

Having said that, the wind should be favourable to the flight going eastbound. But how does wind put pressure on the fuel used?

Flying is like swimming. Swimming you have the so called drag effect of the water in any swimming object which put pressure on the said object and flying you have the wind for that. Though the wind gives the flying object the so called lift (together with the wings) it also gives drag because of the friction between the air and the flying object thus putting pressure on the said object. That being said you need your jet engine to give you thrust and propels the object. Modern aircraft had been tested inside an air tunnel thingy so that they can optimize the flying capability of an aircraft but that is only in a testing environment and as we all know in the real world everything varies especially wind condition.

And didn't you know that flight-plans are not always straight line other than following the contours of the earth?

This is because of the coriolis effect due to the force of earth's rotation. Any flying object won’t be able to fly in a straight line because of this effect. This is the same effect on the ocean water down at the southern oceans and up the northern seas causing the upswell and downswell.

http://images.habagatcentral.multiply.com/image/0/photos/357/600x600/29/NAIAT321.jpg?et=1NQwHA093hTvyEq1L0kmFg&nmid=231328765


I noticed in the background from @habagatcentral1's photo a 5J DC9. Does Cebu Pacific still use any DC9s (for cargo maybe) or are these just being stored?

^^ Nope. They were decommissioned.

^^ Ok thanks. The DC9s are ancient, but they were great planes.

one simple reason why planes don't follow a straight line flight path is of course,of our dear earth's spheroidal shape.having this,the shortest distance from a point to another point is through a curve.otherwise known as great circle navigation or great circle sailing when using it at sea.

That info is nice to know. I am still haven't a clue though why it takes 13+ hours to go nonstop from AMS-MNL considering they are 6-7 timezones apart from each other while YVR, SFO and LAX are 8-9 timezones but take less than 12 hours to travel from MNL?

Though wind directions has an effect in an airplanes flight but the most important thing to consider is the direction of the flight with respect to earth's rotation. What I'm trying to say is that you will have a shorter flight time if the direction of the plane is from East to West as compared to a similar distance but on an opposite direction (West to East). Hybridace, you have to note also that flight time between two locations is not similar. AMS-MNL is of longer time as compared to MNL-AMS.

^^ rotation?? i think headwinds and tailwinds have more effect on speed--at least, that's what i learned...:)

^^ rotation?? i think headwinds and tailwinds have more effect on speed--at least, that's what i learned...:)

yup. the rotation has more effect on flight time than headwinds and tailwinds. just consider this, if you are up above the surface of the earth and observed that a place is moving away from your location, you will need to have a longer flight time to catch that location. but when that place is moving nearer to your location you will rather have a shorter flight time. this movement of location is a result of the rotation of the earth. note that headwinds and tailwinds are not that faster enough as compared to the rotation not unless you are nearer to the north or south pole

^^ i really don't want to make this discussion longer but i believe we need to clarify this, for the sake of other SSCers... what has been taught to us is that the rotation does not affect planes at all... i'll give you an example... suppose you drop a ball on top of the empire state building, assuming there is zero wind, would the ball land miles away from the building, no right?? another, simpler example: if you jump, would the earth rotate beneath you, again no is the answer.... i don't know how you got the presumption that once above the earth, you can see a location moving away...

I guess that, with the cancellation of international flights from CEB and DVO due to the crisis, they have more planes for their regional network.


I thought DVO lang ang cancelled? you mean pati CEB-SIN wala na?

^^ i really don't want to make this discussion longer but i believe we need to clarify this, for the sake of other SSCers... what has been taught to us is that the rotation does not affect planes at all... i'll give you an example... suppose you drop a ball on top of the empire state building, assuming there is zero wind, would the ball land miles away from the building, no right?? another, simpler example: if you jump, would the earth rotate beneath you, again no is the answer.... i don't know how you got the presumption that once above the earth, you can see a location moving away...

you have a point but when you experience zero wind, that only means that the wind is similar and of same speed to the rotation of the earth. another thing that you have to consider also is that when you are on top of the empire state building, you are still connected to the earth which is moving. and with that, you will also enduced to the ball a constant horizontal speed almost similar to the horizontal speed of the surface of the earth. And as such that will result to an insignificant horizontal displacement of the ball after dropping. same case also when you jump. if one can be stationary at one time, the movements that I mentioned earlier will be observed. not unless you are also moving in parallel with the place....

^^ but the thing is, you can't be stationary in the air... we are held by gravity, land, sea, air, atmosphere, and everything in between... of course, once you get to space, it's a different story... we do know that the earth is moving (rotating) at a speed of about 1600kph on the equator, but that doesn't mean we can see one location moving 1600 kph... i'll try to look it up on google just to see if there are explanations from credible sources...:)

:cheers:

Though wind directions has an effect in an airplanes flight but the most important thing to consider is the direction of the flight with respect to earth's rotation. What I'm trying to say is that you will have a shorter flight time if the direction of the plane is from East to West as compared to a similar distance but on an opposite direction (West to East). Hybridace, you have to note also that flight time between two locations is not similar. AMS-MNL is of longer time as compared to MNL-AMS.

First, I was talking about AMS-MNL all along. I think it is shorter going from east to west, even airline timetables say so. So I think you have gotten it the other way around.

e.g. MNL-YVR (eastbound) lasts for 12 hours and 20 mins while YVR-MNL (westbound) lasts 13 hours and 50 mins.

Also, a flight from KUL-AMS is published at 12 hours+ but KUL is way south (close to the equator) compared to MNL but the flight time is shorter by around an hour. How can this be? Are winds more favourable to flights over water than mostly over land?

^^ there is less friction over water than over land (trees, buildings, mountains, etc)...:)

:cheers:

^^ there is less friction over water than over land (trees, buildings, mountains, etc)...:)

:cheers:

Hmmm... I'm no physics expert. How does land or what's in it cause more air friction?

^^ slows down the wind because trees, mountains, and tall buildings block the wind causing it to slow down.. notice that the winds near the coast, manila bay for example, are much stronger than on the other parts of the metro... the same reason can be applied why Chicago is called the windy city... winds from lake michigan (N/NE winds) are strong and produce the "Bernoulli Effect" due to the buildings, etc...

is it something to do with magnetic field ekek
just guessing

;35604458']I thought DVO lang ang cancelled? you mean pati CEB-SIN wala na?

DAVAO lang ang cancelled. CEB still has flights to Singapore (4x a week) and Hongkong (5x a week).FYI. Aside from these, MCIA still has ASIANA,KOREAN AIR, QATAR AIRWAYS, SILKAIR, CATHAY PACIFIC,PAL, CHINA AIRLINES AND CHINA EASTERN AIRLINES.

Smaller aircraft eyed to use smaller runway (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=460232&publicationSubCategoryId=65)

MANILA, Philippines - The Ninoy Aquino International Airport (Naia) could have access to another runway aside from runway 06-24, provided that the Manila International Airport Authority would provide a special form of runway lights costing about P5 million.

Director General Ruben Ciron of the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines (Caap), made this statement in the wake of Miaa general manager Alfonso Cusi’s suggestion that runway 13-31 should be utilized by smaller aircraft classified as belonging to “general aviation.” Cusi made the suggestion to decongest the “international runway” 06-24 and also to avoid its temporary closure during emergencies or accidents.

The Naia’s main runway was closed for three hours Sunday after a light aircraft belonging to the Care Jet Co. of the United States, aborted its takeoff at about 8 p.m. when its landing gears erupted in smoke and fire. The aircraft stopped in the middle of the runway, while responding firefighters smothered the flames with foam to prevent the fire from spreading.

Nobody among the four persons on board were hurt, including the pilot, co-pilot and two medical assistants.

The Cessna jet flew in earlier from Guam at 6 p.m. Sunday with a sick patient on board, seeking medical treatment in the Philippines. Due to the accident, scores of arriving international and domestic flights were diverted to the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport. Normal operations at the Naia resumed at 11 p.m.

The Miaa headman, not wanting a repeat of the debacle, has suggested to the Naia time slotting committee to review the scheduling of small aircraft weighing 25,000 kilograms or below, by directing them the use of runway 13-31.

“Aircraft like these are usually owned by operators at our Gen Av and therefore would be most logical to make them use the domestic runway for landing and take-off. In so doing, we can maximize the use of the international runway for commercial operations,” Cusi said.

^^ ahh, so di pala nila ginagamit ang runway 13-31--weird...:dunno: tsaka i also noticed bakit pa nagse-serve sa gen aviation ang NAIA eh major int'l airport yan, dapat ilipat sila sa mas maliit na airport... just my 2 cents...:)

:cheers:

DAVAO lang ang cancelled. CEB still has flights to Singapore (4x a week) and Hongkong (5x a week).FYI. Aside from these, MCIA still has ASIANA,KOREAN AIR, QATAR AIRWAYS, SILKAIR, CATHAY PACIFIC,PAL, CHINA AIRLINES AND CHINA EASTERN AIRLINES.

thanks sa info :) no need to shout though :lol:

^^ kelangan talaga nya sigawin...announcement daw kasi...at least DVO still has Silkair...5J sched sucks anyway...:bash:

^^ Nope. They were decommissioned.

sana gawing freighter... :yes:

nabasa ko somewhere (i think dito or avelino zapanta's "100 years of philippine aviation") na airlines have to compete sa timeslots sa mga airports, and mas expensive daw sa daytime kaysa nighttime... this could be the reason why cebu pacific offered evening flights for their davao-singapore flights kasi diba budget carrier siya so yung costs rin could be smaller para yung fare mababa rin (haha i think nakakalito na ang post ko)

Northwest to charge $50 for second bag
ATLANTA—The Delta and Northwest combine, the world’s biggest airline operator, said Tuesday it would immediately institute a $50 fee for most passengers to check a second bag on an international flight for travel beginning July 1.

Business class passengers, elite frequent fliers and active military are exempt from paying the new fee. The first checked bag on international flights remains free.

The Atlanta-based company made the announcement after disclosing that it was hit hard in the first quarter by the weak economy and bad bets on fuel hedges, but narrowed its net loss to $794 million.

The company expects to generate more than $100 million annually from the new baggage fee. Delta already charges fees for the first and second checked bags on domestic flights.

It also said it will ground its entire fleet of 14 B747-200 freighter aircraft in its cargo unit effective Dec. 31, due to the age and inefficiency of the aircraft.

Delta said the loss for the three months ended March 31 was 96 cents a share, and compares to a loss of $6.39 billion, or $16.15 a share, for the same period a year ago.

Revenue increased 40 percent to $6.68 billion, but that was skewed by Delta’s acquisition of Northwest Airlines in October. In the year-ago quarter, before the acquisition, Delta posted revenue of $4.77 billion.

Delta, like other airlines, has been cutting jobs and capacity to weather the global economic downturn.

Delta previously said it would reduce international capacity by 10 percent beginning in September. As a result, in the December 2009 quarter, Delta expects system capacity to be down 6 percent to 8 percent and international capacity to be down 9 percent to 11 percent, year-over-year.

Delta said it posted $684 million in realized fuel hedge losses in the first three months of the year. As oil prices soared to $147 a barrel last July, many airlines hedged a portion of their future fuel needs. When market prices came tumbling down in the months that followed, some airlines were stuck with those hedges and had to pay higher prices for a portion of their fuel.

Delta ended the quarter with $5 billion in unrestricted liquidity, which was unchanged from the balance at Dec. 31, 2008.

Just want to share my videos during our test flight in Clark

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First, I was talking about AMS-MNL all along. I think it is shorter going from east to west, even airline timetables say so. So I think you have gotten it the other way around.

e.g. MNL-YVR (eastbound) lasts for 12 hours and 20 mins while YVR-MNL (westbound) lasts 13 hours and 50 mins.

Also, a flight from KUL-AMS is published at 12 hours+ but KUL is way south (close to the equator) compared to MNL but the flight time is shorter by around an hour. How can this be? Are winds more favourable to flights over water than mostly over land?

As mentioned, flight time from east to west (westbound) is shorter as compared to the same distance on an opposite direction. And if I understand you correctly, this is what you mean in the second sentence of your first paragraph.

As for the MNL- YVR route, the difference could have something to do with the route that the planes take. Remember that flights bound for Northern America and vice versa, are not in straight lines as we might have thought of. And also, places near the equator moves faster as compared to places near the northern hemisphere.

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Why are nonstop MNL-AMS flights advertised 13 or 14 hours considering they are 6 or 7 timezones apart while MNL-SFO, MNL-LAX or MNL-YVR can sometimes be less than 12 hours with them being 8 or 9 timezones away (not considering the international date line)? Who flew between MNL and AMS and how long was the flight based on experienced?

You are going to have to ask a pilot to get a definitive answer.

But AFAIK, aside from the direction of the flight in relation to the earth's rotation and the headwinds/ tailwinds, you would have to consider the actual flightpath. Some ways of getting from A to B are much more "direct" (i.e., much more straight), and some are somewhat "circuitous." Further, in certain situations, airlines may avoid a more direct flightpath for various reasons: politics (war, etc.), weather, or because ETOPS prevents it from straying a certain number of hours away from the nearest airport. PAL only uses four-holers across the Pacific, until at least the 77Ws arrive, and these are obviously able to overfly deserted areas (e.g., oceans, deserts, etc.). Though I am not 100% sure if indeed ETOPS is a factor in the case you are pointing out.

Also you have to consider aircraft technical performance. Some aircraft types are slower than others. The PAL A340 leaves the US two hours ahead of the 744 but arrives within 45 minutes of the 744 flight. Hence they will publish longer flight times. Also, some airports are much more prone to delays, and these are factored into published schedules. IIRC, CX and PR published schedules between MNL and HKG differ by about 5 to 10 minutes, though I observe that they change the times every number of years. Lastly, some air routes can become very very busy. An aircraft may be told to "slow down" and arrive "on-time" instead of "ahead of time" because of certain slot restrictions, or busy air traffic on the route plied.

All of these have to be factored in...

If a pilot is amongst us, please correct me...

nabasa ko somewhere (i think dito or avelino zapanta's "100 years of philippine aviation") na airlines have to compete sa timeslots sa mga airports, and mas expensive daw sa daytime kaysa nighttime... this could be the reason why cebu pacific offered evening flights for their davao-singapore flights kasi diba budget carrier siya so yung costs rin could be smaller para yung fare mababa rin (haha i think nakakalito na ang post ko)

correct. I think you read it here. It was also in Zapanta's book because he was also talking about aviation. :)

As mentioned, flight time from east to west (westbound) is shorter as compared to the same distance on an opposite direction. And if I understand you correctly, this is what you mean in the second sentence of your first paragraph.

As for the MNL- YVR route, the difference could have something to do with the route that the planes take. Remember that flights bound for Northern America and vice versa, are not in straight lines as we might have thought of. And also, places near the equator moves faster as compared to places near the northern hemisphere.

And the debate goes on without even considering what I said. WIND.

The wind can expedite or delay a flight. An aircraft can also ride the wind to the extent that it will fly faster than having without it. It saves fuel too. But trade winds or jet stream follow a particular pattern that all airlines avoid it in going opposite of its way.Thats why airlines have different flightplans in going back and forth. If you don't understand it you can read wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_stream) for a start.

Now going back to the question. Other than the earths rotation, I just answered it!:)

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Oh yeah, can PR transport passengers getting-on at SYD and getting-off at MEL (i.e. a domestic flight in Australia and not getting on or off at MNL)?



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Suppose there is PR123 which flies MNL-SYD-MEL-MNL and PR456 which flies MNL-SYD and returns as PR457.

PAL cannot carry domestic traffic in Oz because it is not Australian. But I think there is what is called "stopover rights." If you arrived in SYD say via PR123, then you can board PR123 in SYD to get to MEL and continue your tour or business or whatever, then return to MNL via PR123 again. If you arrived via PR456 in SYD, then you cannot take PR123 to MEL and instead can only fly back to MNL.

That's what I read from an old mabuhay mag, and I don't know if it is still that way, or they are more lenient now. What I do know is that PAL still offers SYD+MEL or MEL+SYD Swingaround tours, so I think they still have these rights.

I think CX used to operate/ still operates a KUL-PEN flight, and MI operates a flight within Cambodia. I would imagine they also retain stopover rights.

^^You are going to have to ask a pilot to get a definitive answer.

But AFAIK, aside from the direction of the flight in relation to the earth's rotation and the headwinds/ tailwinds, you would have to consider the actual flightpath. Some ways of getting from A to B are much more "direct" (i.e., much more straight), and some are somewhat "circuitous." Further, in certain situations, airlines may avoid a more direct flightpath for various reasons: politics (war, etc.), weather, or because ETOPS prevents it from straying a certain number of hours away from the nearest airport. PAL only uses four-holers across the Pacific, until at least the 77Ws arrive, and these are obviously able to overfly deserted areas (e.g., oceans, deserts, etc.). Though I am not 100% sure if indeed ETOPS is a factor in the case you are pointing out.

Also you have to consider aircraft technical performance. Some aircraft types are slower than others. The PAL A340 leaves the US two hours ahead of the 744 but arrives within 45 minutes of the 744 flight. Hence they will publish longer flight times. Also, some airports are much more prone to delays, and these are factored into published schedules. IIRC, CX and PR published schedules between MNL and HKG differ by about 5 to 10 minutes, though I observe that they change the times every number of years. Lastly, some air routes can become very very busy. An aircraft may be told to "slow down" and arrive "on-time" instead of "ahead of time" because of certain slot restrictions, or busy air traffic on the route plied.

All of these have to be factored in...

If a pilot is amongst us, please correct me...

You are right. In Intra-Europe, most don't have straight flightplan. But I guess technical terms is so hard to be understood here. Layman terms is appropriate in answering these basic questions because no matter how fast your plane flies or sophisticated it is, you always have to deal with the most important aspect of aviation, wind beneath you wings!

For those who are not aware of it, Long haulers are always given priority in landing. That is an SOP unless you want to declare an emergency. That is why Emirates files a complaint against ATO for their refusal to grant landing permission despite low fuel report in favor of presidential flight right. The results, they were required by ICAO to revise their policy.

No airlines on earth will dare to fly on a headwind on long haul otherwise they will land a thousand miles away from their intended destination even if the manufacturer says it can. But all of them ride on it.

As to stopover rights, well said. Thats how it is!

Suppose there is PR123 which flies MNL-SYD-MEL-MNL and PR456 which flies MNL-SYD and returns as PR457.

PAL cannot carry domestic traffic in Oz because it is not Australian. But I think there is what is called "stopover rights." If you arrived in SYD say via PR123, then you can board PR123 in SYD to get to MEL and continue your tour or business or whatever, then return to MNL via PR123 again. If you arrived via PR456 in SYD, then you cannot take PR123 to MEL and instead can only fly back to MNL.

That's what I read from an old mabuhay mag, and I don't know if it is still that way, or they are more lenient now. What I do know is that PAL still offers SYD+MEL or MEL+SYD Swingaround tours, so I think they still have these rights.

I think CX used to operate/ still operates a KUL-PEN flight, and MI operates a flight within Cambodia. I would imagine they also retain stopover rights.

So what it means is that assuming you will ultimately continue to MNL from SYD via MEL, you can stay a few days in MEL as long as you re-board the flight (i.e. PR 123)? How is passport control handled between SYD and MEL; do you clear it both ways?

I also recall PR had MNL-HNL-SFO/LAX until the mid-90s. Was PR allowed to carry passengers only flying between HNL and its mainland US destinations then and not coming from MNL? If so, did those passengers had to clear formalities usually required for entry to the US despite being on a "domestic" flight?

I know PR can fly passengers starting their journey YVR and getting off at LAS but passengers on that flight do not undergo the same procedures as other Canada-US flights (i.e. pre-clearance at the Canadian port) and instead will have to do formalities in the US.

PHILIPPINE AIRLINES
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http://www.philippineairlines.com/fares_and_promos/special_promos/other_promos/domestic_promo/domestic_promo_fares.jsp

correct. I think you read it here. It was also in Zapanta's book because he was also talking about aviation. :)



And the debate goes on without even considering what I said. WIND.

The wind can expedite or delay a flight. An aircraft can also ride the wind to the extent that it will fly faster than having without it. It saves fuel too. But trade winds or jet stream follow a particular pattern that all airlines avoid it in going opposite of its way.Thats why airlines have different flightplans in going back and forth. If you don't understand it you can read wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_stream) for a start.

Now going back to the question. Other than the earths rotation, I just answered it!:)

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You are right. In Intra-Europe, most don't have straight flightplan. But I guess technical terms is so hard to be understood here. Layman terms is appropriate in answering these basic questions because no matter how fast your plane flies or sophisticated it is, you always have to deal with the most important aspect of aviation, wind beneath you wings!

For those who are not aware of it, Long haulers are always given priority in landing. That is an SOP unless you want to declare an emergency. That is why Emirates files a complaint against ATO for their refusal to grant landing permission despite low fuel report in favor of presidential flight right. The results, they were required by ICAO to revise their policy.

No airlines on earth will dare to fly on a headwind on long haul otherwise they will land a thousand miles away from their intended destination even if the manufacturer says it can. But all of them ride on it.

As to stopover rights, well said. Thats how it is!

:okay: thank you so much for clearing that up... so my stance, i.e. that wind is the major factor in flying time, is correct...:yes:

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No airlines on earth will dare to fly on a headwind on long haul otherwise they will land a thousand miles away from their intended destination even if the manufacturer says it can. But all of them ride on it.

As to stopover rights, well said. Thats how it is!

Reminds me of a Twilight Zone short story of an airplane which rode on a jetstream that was going so fast, it took them back in time :lol:

As mentioned, flight time from east to west (westbound) is shorter as compared to the same distance on an opposite direction. And if I understand you correctly, this is what you mean in the second sentence of your first paragraph.

As for the MNL- YVR route, the difference could have something to do with the route that the planes take. Remember that flights bound for Northern America and vice versa, are not in straight lines as we might have thought of. And also, places near the equator moves faster as compared to places near the northern hemisphere.

I have to disagree with your points. Like the others said, wind is a major factor. Tailwinds help the flight travel faster and they go eastbound; headwinds put more pressure on the flight hence it travels slower westbound.

Also, when it comes to points with a more northern latitude, they are closer to the north pole, hence closer to each other by most aspects than places more southern (i.e. closer to the equator). Would you wonder why flights between LHR and LAX take around 10-12 hours while flights between LAX and MNL take 11-13 hours considering LHR and LAX are strictly speaking 8 timezones apart, and the distance between LAX and MNL are also 8 timezones apart?

Finally, we are also forgetting another key thing that possibly slows down flights returning from North America to MNL - load. There are simply more balikbayan boxes sent to the Philippines (I mean what balikbayan boxes are there to send to the US!?!) that add more weight to the vehicle. This puts more pressure on the engines to work harder to maintain the same amount of speed and altitude as a relatively lighter flight. But sometimes, the pilot may choose not to speed-up significantly and settle for a slightly slower airspeed.

Question about PR's service:

1. For those who travelled on Econolight, can you move around the economy class cabins after the meals have been served?

2. Is the 747 with arabic writing and old PTVs in economy class in use going to LAX? Do you think this is the worst of PR's aircrafts? I read in reviews that one of the passengers' flights seats are worn-out and I'm thinking its this 747 they're talking about.