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Chrisvenz

June 11th, 2009, 03:02 AM

RPMO heats up as airlines battle for air supremacy

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Ozamiz - Philippine Airlines may have won the battle early by keeping its competitor, low cost carrier Cebu Pacific out of its terminal building but has not deterred 5J to slowly swallow its market share away from its subsidiary, firstly, from Air Philippines and second, from PAL Express when it introduced service to the newly reopened airport late last year.

Ozamiz Labo airport re-opened to the public on July 11, 2007 with President Gloria Arroyo gracing the opening ceremony after the arrival of Air Philippines 737 flight from Manila.

Since then, Air Philippines was the sole operator until the entry of Cebu Pacific on November 10, 2008 with routes to Cebu using its brand new ATR planes competing head on with PAL's second hand Q400 planes on the same day. PAL Express flew to the airport on September that year.

It took Cebu Pacific only 6 months to eat and take away the market lead and headway of both Air Philippines and PAL Express. Similar scenarios has been happening in Dumaguete and Naga where both airlines wrestle for market lead and passenger demands.

This month, the competition will go to the next level as both airlines will introduce A319 aircraft to the airport after the runway extension project was completed a month ago.

Philippine Airlines will introduce a daily service to the airport on June 15 replacing the 20 years old Boeing 737-200 plane of its subsidiary Air Philippines while Cebu Pacific jet will land at Ozamiz airport the next day on a four times a week service to usher a new era of competition for direct jet flights to Manila.

The competition is so hot at Ozamiz Airport that most of Manila bound passengers content themselves of traveling via Cebu on a discounted fare rather than opting for a direct flight service offered by Air Philippines later on a day. Its no wonder why Cebu Pacific offered its flight in the morning rather than the usual mid-day flight for secondary destinations.

The airport is the gateway for both Ozamiz and Pagadian Cities where bulk of the airline passengers came from but such demand may have to change three months from now as the Pagadian airport goes on line and re-opens to the public this September for commercial operation.

It is expected that its present passenger volume will be split up again once both airlines start serving Pagadian airport.

Kintoy

June 11th, 2009, 10:09 AM

lol you talking about the airport mwg posted?? of course it wont be in the list, it's been operational for no more than 6 months, and it's a regional airport i think...

but no US airport on the list? not even LAX or JFK? judging from what the FilAms here are saying about US airports will make you wonder why. hmm

pi_malejana

June 11th, 2009, 10:22 AM

^^ wag ka nang magtaka...:D look at the top 10 list, i don't think any US airport can compete with those, ICN especially... this is my opinion only, besides, i've only been in to two US airports...:D

invhictus

June 11th, 2009, 11:36 AM

Cebu Pacific celebrates 111th year of Philippine independence
Offers ALL Domestic destinations at P111 all-in

Leading domestic airline, Cebu Pacific (CEB), is offering a P111 all-in ‘Go Lite’ fare for all of its domestic services in celebration of 111th anniversary of Philippine independence. The one-day seat sale is available on June 12 only and is valid for travel from November 1 to 30, 2009.

“This is proof of our commitment to make Philippine travel affordable for everyJuan. CEB’s trademark low fares have allowed many travelers to travel by air for the first time. The public can expect CEB to continue offering the lowest possible fare in every destination it serves, even if CEB is the only airline serving that route.” Candice Iyog, CEB vice president for marketing and distribution said.

Iyog added, “We will continue to expand our route network and try to reach more places with our low fares so that we can provide affordable air travel options for more Filipinos.”

CEB will increase its Manila-Virac service to daily from four-times weekly, and its Manila-Naga flights to twice daily—from 10-times weekly—starting June 15.

The airline, which has been providing a viable transport alternative to ferries and buses, will also boost its Cebu-General Santos service with an additional Saturday flight.

Iyog concluded, “These additional flights will allow us to offer more low fares that the traveling public can enjoy and take advantage of.”

CEB broke its record number of passengers carried in one month last May 2009 by carrying a total of 865,770 passengers. Prior to this, April 2009 held the record at 823,419 passengers.

Go Lite’ fares are for passengers traveling with no check-in baggage. Passengers with check-in bags just have to add P200 to the fare. The seat sale is all-inclusive and non-refundable.

For flight bookings and inquiries, passengers may log on to www.cebupacificair.com, call reservations at 70-20-888 (Manila) / 230-88-88 (Cebu), or visit their nearest travel agent.

CEB, Asia’s 3rd largest low-cost carrier, flies to 14 cities in Asia and 32 domestic destinations with direct flights from Clark, Cebu, Davao, and Manila.

ianers_ianized

June 11th, 2009, 02:58 PM

hybridace101

June 11th, 2009, 02:59 PM

Strike 2 with the A332 in less than 2 weeks: this time involving 3K from KIX to SYD: http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_asiapacific/view/435213/1/.html

oninBadz

June 11th, 2009, 03:16 PM

^^ Cauayan, if I understand the situation correctly, suffered from poor loads. San Fernando, along with Iligan, were never introduced.

i really hope one of the local airlines would serve iligan city soon,i don't think they have poor load factor in that area considering the Iligan City and Marawi residents and nearby Lanao province.unfortunately security is still an issue for many years now.sayang talaga,the airport,the terminal's ready for operation,the only thing that's missing is an airline operator to serve the place.Ozamis City has taken off with their air travel,what an envy...

Sky Harbor

June 11th, 2009, 03:38 PM

^^ Traffic demand for MNL-IGN and CEB-IGN may be high, but as long as the MILF still poses a threat to the safety of aircraft as they land at IGN, I wouldn't count on flights to Iligan anytime soon. Get rid of the rebels first.

oninBadz

June 11th, 2009, 03:50 PM

[QUOTE=Sky Harbor;38103154]^^ Traffic demand for MNL-IGN and CEB-IGN may be high, but as long as the MILF still poses a threat to the safety of aircraft as they land at IGN, I wouldn't count on flights to Iligan anytime soon. Get rid of the rebels first.[/QUOTE

that's actually my point.security is still the main issue why airline operators are hesitant to serve this place.really this MILF rebels has glued this place from progress.hope and wish AFP could do something to secure the area from the nonsense rebel group.i wonder if Iligan is part of the three big airlines planned route destination if the place was just secured???:)

Sky Harbor

June 11th, 2009, 04:16 PM

^^ If PAL has expressed interest in serving IGN, then why not? If you think about it, Iligan is the largest city in Mindanao not served by any airline, despite the presence of facilities allowing such.

Kintoy

June 11th, 2009, 04:34 PM

Sky Harbor

June 11th, 2009, 04:42 PM

^^ Marawi, the closest major city to Iligan with no airport, is too far from Cagayan de Oro to be served effectively by CGY. IGN is meant to serve that market as well, in addition to Iligan.

oninBadz

June 11th, 2009, 05:06 PM

^^ Marawi, the closest major city to Iligan with no airport, is too far from Cagayan de Oro to be served effectively by CGY. IGN is meant to serve that market as well, in addition to Iligan.

exactly,i think iligan and marawi city can give good pax load to airlines that would serve the city's airport.if only the place is well secured,it should not be an inconvenience going to that place like landing in RPML and the 2hrs.drive to iligan and probably 3hrs.to marawi.i think Iligan City and Marawi City really needs the RPMI operating.local govt.should do something about this.and of course the AFP in securing the area.i guess if flights would start comin' in RPMI,it should be in the morning coz it's known to have low-cloud ceiling in the afternoon just like Loakan airport.

weewit

June 11th, 2009, 05:29 PM

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Actually we used to have this kind of system in Cebu, the road which cross the waterfront and IT park in Lahug,was once a runway. cars have to stop when there are planes landing.. ;)

bledzoe

June 11th, 2009, 05:35 PM

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HAPPY 111th INDEPENDENCE DAY!

credit to Mr. Anton Diaz for the photo.

hybridace101

June 11th, 2009, 07:13 PM

happy independence day as well. I tried checking 5J's website and still no P111 tickets per segment. But at least the website is relatively more decent than when PR did a promo.

Sky Harbor

June 11th, 2009, 07:48 PM

I don't think this has been posted here yet.

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Airport upgrades in Sulu and Tawi-Tawi pick up pace (http://www.medco.gov.ph/medcoweb/newsfeatl.asp?NewsMode=20&NewsDetailID=1287)
(May 14, 2009)

ZAMBOANGA CITY --- Major airport runway improvements now ongoing in Sulu and Tawi-Tawi are expected to improve air linkages with the rest of the country and help boost the economy of the Sulu Archipelago.

Both runway improvement projects are currently more than 50 percent complete and are expected to be completed by the end of August 2009.

The Jolo airport project in Sulu includes replacing and widening the existing asphalt runway, and extending it from 1,200 meters to 1,845 meters.

The Sanga-Sanga (Bongao) airport runway in Tawi-Tawi is being extended from 1,611 meters to 1,930 meters, and widened to 30 meters.

The main airports in both provinces are being improved and extended through partnerships between the Department of Transportation and Communications (DOTC), the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines, the provincial governments, and the United States government, through USAID’s Growth with Equity in Mindanao (GEM) Program.

“These improvements will ensure safer airport operations and higher-capacity air linkages as well as open up more trade, tourism and investment opportunities in the region.,” said Undersecretary Virgilio Leyretana, Sr., chairman of the Mindanao Economic Development Council (MEDCo), which oversees the implementation of the GEM Program.

Following the improvements, larger aircrafts used by major domestic carriers, such as A320s and B737s, will be able to land at these two airports.

“There is great potential in eco-tourism here, especially if air links to neighboring countries are established,” said Abdelnooh Hajirul, president of the Tawi-Tawi Chamber of Commerce and Industry.

“Our waters are ideal for culturing high-value commercial marine species like grouper and abalone which are exported to Asian markets,” Hajirul said.

The airport upgrade in Tawi-Tawi is being complemented by an ongoing bridge-road partnership project, between the Department of Public Works and Highways (DPWH), Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao (ARMM), the provincial government, and USAID’s GEM Program.

The bridge-road project will directly link for the first time Sanga-Sanga Island—where the airport is located—and the provincial capitol to the largest island of Tawi-Tawi.

As part of the project, DPWH and DPWH-ARMM are constructing three steel bridges, and a road linking two of the bridges, on the islet of Bakhaw Dakula.

The 8.4-km road connecting the bridges to the Tawi-Tawi Island highway network are being upgraded by DPWH-ARMM, while the 9.3-km road connecting the Sanga-Sanga side is being upgraded by the United States government.

Meanwhile, another major project in Sulu is the ongoing upgrade of the Jolo water system, through a partnership between the provincial government, Local Water Utilities Administration (LWUA), Jolo Mainland Water District, and the GEM Program, which will make the water district capable of providing potable water to about 70,000 residents.

Kintoy

June 11th, 2009, 10:56 PM

oninBadz

June 12th, 2009, 01:18 AM

CDO is only about 58km from Marawi. that's nearer than Manila-Clark.

^^

i wonder where you got the distance CDO-Marawi City...CDO-Iligan City is already 88kms.and Iligan-Marawi is 36kms.so i guess it's farther than you thought it was huh.:)

hybridace101

June 12th, 2009, 04:07 AM

who has tried booking the P111 fares? it's past 9 and still no fares... trying to book same day return on 14 nov to bacolod

Kintoy

June 12th, 2009, 09:04 AM

^^

i wonder where you got the distance CDO-Marawi City...CDO-Iligan City is already 88kms.and Iligan-Marawi is 36kms.so i guess it's farther than you thought it was huh.:)

easy, Google it, :lol:

Distance Calculator (http://distancecalculator.globefeed.com/Philippines_Distance_Result.asp?fromplace=Marawi%20(Chartered%20City%20of%20Marawi)&toplace=Cagayan%20De%20Oro%20Airport%20(Chartered%20City%20of%20Cagayan%20de%20Oro)%20[Airport]&fromlat=7.9986111&tolat=8.4183333&fromlng=124.2927778&tolng=124.6094444)

Sky Harbor

June 12th, 2009, 09:16 AM

invhictus

June 12th, 2009, 09:31 AM

I wonder where 2P wil move next on it route now that it let OZC route go... Maybe Pagadian?

I believe this is the answer to your query, got this info from http://surigaotoday.blogspot.com

Air Philippines flies in Surigao City starting July 1

Air Philippines, in its bid to be the leading low cost carrier in the country, expands its domestic network, this time to the surfing capital of the Philippines, Surigao del Norte. Starting July 1, 2009, Air Philippines flies Manila to Surigao City daily, with an introductory price of only Php1888/oneway all-in!

The flight will depart Manila at 8:45am to arrive Surigao at 10:15am. The return flight, it will leave Surigao at 10:45am arriving Manila at 12:15pm. The flight will utilize the 118seater B737 aircraft, one of the latest in the airline’s fleet.

The entry of Air Philippines to Surigao City signals a more aggressive expansion program of the airline and is in answer to the popular clamor from the province for a more convenient and affordable transport schedule for its travelers.

oninBadz

June 12th, 2009, 10:26 AM

easy, Google it, :lol:

Distance Calculator (http://distancecalculator.globefeed.com/Philippines_Distance_Result.asp?fromplace=Marawi%20(Chartered%20City%20of%20Marawi)&toplace=Cagayan%20De%20Oro%20Airport%20(Chartered%20City%20of%20Cagayan%20de%20Oro)%20[Airport]&fromlat=7.9986111&tolat=8.4183333&fromlng=124.2927778&tolng=124.6094444)

you must have overlook something in Google Earth then,i grew up in Iligan-Marawi area and have not heard of a shorter distance than 88kms from Iligan-CDO ever since not unless somebody's makin' a secret highway...:)

oninBadz

June 12th, 2009, 10:32 AM

^^ The distance may be 58 kilometers, but the drive is much longer. The short distance involves crossing the mountains separating CDO from Iligan, where there are no roads linking the two. 88 kilometers is a more practical distance in terms of driving.

actual distance from Iligan-CDO is 88kms.and Iligan-Marawi is 36kms uphill drive,and whoever person you ask from that place or area would surely answer the same figure.the 58kms really i don't know how google earth came up with that figure.but goin' back to the topic i guess your right iligan city airport is actually pax load feasible the only thing that bothers airline operators is the security in the area.

Sky Harbor

June 12th, 2009, 02:02 PM

easy, Google it, :lol:

Distance Calculator (http://distancecalculator.globefeed.com/Philippines_Distance_Result.asp?fromplace=Marawi%20(Chartered%20City%20of%20Marawi)&toplace=Cagayan%20De%20Oro%20Airport%20(Chartered%20City%20of%20Cagayan%20de%20Oro)%20[Airport]&fromlat=7.9986111&tolat=8.4183333&fromlng=124.2927778&tolng=124.6094444)

Uhh...do read the fine print, please.

"Note: The distance is straight line distance (may be called as flying or air distance) between the two locations calculated based on their latitudes and longitudes. This distance may be very much different from the actual travel distance. The approximate travel/road distance also can be very much different (if road is not straight or land is not available) than the actual."

shytype

June 12th, 2009, 04:27 PM

Hawaiian firms up its hold in Manila

It is only fitting for Hawaiian Airlines to finally make Manila a flagship route as aloha to all the Filipinos who have made Hawaii their home away from home. This US state of around 1.2 million people is home to about 180,000 residents of Filipino descent. It is of no surprise that the demand for travel among tourists, relatives and even business travelers to and from the Philippines is constant. No wonder there was no stopping when Hawaiian Airlines held a colorful luau appreciation bash in the ballroom of the so “in” Renaissance Hotel in Makati, dahlings.

During his early visits to the country, Hawaiian Airlines president and CEO Mark Dunkerley said, “The deep cultural and historic bond between the Philippines and Hawaii is another major reason for travelers to make more frequent trips. Hawaiian Airlines reports a steady growth of Philippine passenger traffic month after month during its first year of operations in the country. This includes increasing bookings for US West Coast routes.”

No wonder PTAA gave the Best in Marketing Efforts Award to Hawaiian Airlines during the travel expo. In the international scene, the company held its status as a “top-rank US carrier for quality service for 2008,” according to the 19th annual US national Airline Quality Rating (AQR). Now, that’s what namedropping is all about, palanggas.

Even before its inaugural flight from Manila last year, the company made donations to Hospicio de San José and treated 15 children from Children’s Hour, Gawad Kalinga and Hospicio to a short but fun flight on board Hawaiian Airlines.

“Hawaiian Airlines remains positive despite the restrictive effects of the global economic crunch on international travel and tourism. It started out strong in its maiden year in the Philippines, and expects to continue to fly high as it navigates the challenging year ahead. The ties that bind the Philippines and Hawaii will see it through.” Well said by brilliant lawyer and Airbridges Travel president Mike Toledo.

Did you know that Hawaiian Airlines is the only US carrier that flies nonstop from Manila to Honolulu four times weekly and onward to Los Angeles, Las Vegas, San Francisco, Phoenix, Sacramento, Portland and San José, dahlings?

WawaY[625]

June 12th, 2009, 07:00 PM

magkano ang terminal fee sa T3 from Manila to Davao?

Sky Harbor

June 12th, 2009, 07:17 PM

^^ I'll repost to save people the agony of replying to something already replied to.

^^ The terminal fee is P200 regardless if you fly PR (NAIA-2), 5J (NAIA-3) or Z2 (Domestic).

kiretoce

June 12th, 2009, 07:54 PM

^^ It doesn't take long, nor would it be too arduous to just type it out again for something as short as that. Saves you time as well just to locate your original post. ;)

WawaY[625]

June 12th, 2009, 08:13 PM

salamat sa pagsagot sa aking tanong :)

waaah etong cebu pacific na ito malilintikan to sa akin pag na charge ako sa card ko
bibili sana ako ng ticket, pero pagdating sa online payment...
so input ko na ang card number and kung anong etcetera

tapos after I clicked "submit" walang nangyari, no payment made daw then input ulit ako

then ganun pa rin, then input ako (akala ko to verify lang kasi nung una)
so naasar ako, i tried my mastercard and my visa pero ayaw pa rin

so I quit

puchaaaaaa pag ako na charge nito (i think i clicked submit 4 times) magmumura talaga ako sa kung sinong pwede kong murahin hanggan yun na ang pinakamatinding murang maririnig ng taong kausap ko sa buhay nya grrrrrrr

Sky Harbor

June 12th, 2009, 08:16 PM

^^ It doesn't take long, nor would it be too arduous to just type it out again for something as short as that. Saves you time as well just to locate your original post. ;)

Actually, I had the tab conveniently open when I saw the post. :lol:

By the way, I finally have the money to get an A.Net membership. I just need a credit card. My first post when I get that membership: the TR on my trip to Tokyo! :colgate:

Kintoy

June 12th, 2009, 08:17 PM

^^ The distance may be 58 kilometers, but the drive is much longer. The short distance involves crossing the mountains separating CDO from Iligan, where there are no roads linking the two. 88 kilometers is a more practical distance in terms of driving.

where did get this idea that there is no road linking Iligan and CDO? you can take a Rural Transit bus from Iligan to CDO. Not sure if the Bachelor bus line is still plying the route. I think jeepneys and FX's serve the area too.

i took a bus from Zamboanga to CDO once, and the segment from Iligan to Cagayan de Oro is not that far.

58 km, 88 km whatever, it is still not economically compelling enough to open flights there because CDO is too close.

Kintoy

June 12th, 2009, 08:19 PM

Uhh...do read the fine print, please.

"Note: The distance is straight line distance (may be called as flying or air distance) between the two locations calculated based on their latitudes and longitudes. This distance may be very much different from the actual travel distance. The approximate travel/road distance also can be very much different (if road is not straight or land is not available) than the actual."

yes i know that the distance is flight distance. I've been to CDO and Iligan and it's not that far.

Sky Harbor

June 12th, 2009, 08:21 PM

where did get this idea that there is no road linking Iligan and CDO? you can take a Rural Transit bus from Iligan to CDO.

i took a bus from Zamboanga to CDO once, and the segment from Iligan to Cagayan de Oro is not that far.

58 km, 88 km whatever, it is still not economically compelling enough to open flights there.

You misread my statement. I said that there is no (or if there are, very few) road (or roads) linking CDO and Iligan through the mountains separating the two, which happens to be the shortest way to link the two cities. Most people who drive to Iligan from CDO take the national highway linking the two cities, which follows the curvature of the Mindanao coast (and is the main access route to the new Laguindingan airport, which is 46 kilometers away from CDO).

Kintoy

June 12th, 2009, 08:30 PM

You misread my statement. I said that there is no (or if there are, very few) road (or roads) linking CDO and Iligan through the mountains separating the two, which happens to be the shortest way to link the two cities. Most people who drive to Iligan from CDO take the national highway linking the two cities, which follows the curvature of the Mindanao coast (and is the main access route to the new Laguindingan airport, which is 46 kilometers away from CDO).

what's the mountain got to do with Iligan not having flights then?

my point that Iligan is too close to CDO and therefore flights going there is not economically compelling is still valid. If Iligan is a tourist haven that would need such, then probably it will get flights.

TeslaCoil

June 12th, 2009, 08:34 PM

i agree. kung may malapit na airport sa isang lugar improve na lang ang road lining to other cities. sayang lang ang pera ng sa maintenance kung bihira lang magamit.

Sky Harbor

June 12th, 2009, 08:35 PM

what's the mountain got to do with Iligan not having flights then?

my point that Iligan is too close to CDO and therefore flights going there is not economically compelling is still valid. If Iligan is a tourist haven that would need such, then probably it will get flights.

The mountains prevent people from getting there faster. They are forced to take the crowded national highway which snakes along with the coast of Mindanao just to get to the airport which, incidentally, is also on top of the mountains and, incidentally as well, is much farther than if you were to build a road crossing through the mountains linking the two cities together! Now if there was such a road, then IGN wouldn't need those flights. But apparently, the road doesn't exist now, does it?

Maria Cristina Falls counts as a tourist attraction, doesn't it? Or Lake Lanao?

i agree. kung may malapit na airport sa isang lugar improve na lang ang road liking to other cities. sayang lang ang pera ng sa maintenance kung bihira lang magamit.

That's the reason why the airport in CDO is being moved to Laguindingan. Laguindingan from a driver's point of view is much closer to Iligan than Cagayan de Oro.

Kintoy

June 12th, 2009, 08:38 PM

^^ The mountains prevent people from getting there faster. They are forced to take the crowded national highway which snakes along with the coast of Mindanao just to get to the airport which, incidentally, is also on top of the mountains and, incidentally as well, is much farther than if you were to build a road crossing through the mountains linking the two cities together! Now if there was such a road, then IGN wouldn't need those flights. But apparently, the road doesn't exist now, does it?

Maria Cristina Falls counts as a tourist attraction, doesn't it? Or Lake Lanao?

oh yeah, i can see droves of tourists going to those two places.

if there's a road through the mountains then it will dilute further the need to have flights in Iligan since you can get to CDO faster.

Sky Harbor

June 12th, 2009, 08:42 PM

^^ EXACTLY. But geographic considerations make it very difficult to construct the road.

Kintoy

June 12th, 2009, 08:45 PM

^^ EXACTLY. But geographic considerations make it very difficult to construct the road.

non sequitur

Sky Harbor

June 12th, 2009, 08:56 PM

^^ It's relevant indeed. Try to not belittle other people's comments, okay? :okay:

Anyway, moving on: news from the PEx grapevine indicate that a third PAL 747-400 is currently being refurbished! :D

TeslaCoil

June 12th, 2009, 09:04 PM

i dont understand driving an hour or two is such a big deal here in this country to get to the airport. is this because of the riding a jeep mentality that a passenger wants to be unloaded from a jeep at the exact location even if it is a restricted area?

Kintoy

June 12th, 2009, 09:06 PM

^^ It's relevant indeed. Try to not belittle other people's comments, okay? :okay:

Anyway, moving on: news from the PEx grapevine indicate that a third PAL 747-400 is currently being refurbished! :D

it's not belittling of other people's comments. your arguments are illogical i think.

you want a mountain road built that will make Iligan closer to CDO, which would further dilute the need to have flights to Iligan. since you were originally arguing to have airlines serve Iligan, building such a road (for the purpose of justifying flights to iligan) is illogical (non sequitur).

if you totally cut off Iligan from CDO on the ground then probably it will need flights going there because Iligan people can no longer go to CDO to embark the planes

Sky Harbor

June 12th, 2009, 09:12 PM

Kintoy

June 12th, 2009, 09:18 PM

^^ You are not getting the point of what I said. There will be demand for flights to Iligan, sure. But if and when such a road is built connecting the two cities directly, the demand becomes moot since CGY becomes more accessible to customers coming from Iligan and Marawi, and to fulfill that demand, airlines can always increase flight frequencies.

Now if such a road continues to not exist, then the practicality of having flights to IGN, at least for Iligan and Marawi residents, is still relevant because of the practical distance between the two cities. There's a simple analogy to this: why are residents in western Tokyo and Yokohama more willing to use HND than travel 90+ kilometers just to go to NRT? Simple: because it's closer to their areas of residence.

I dont think the population of Iligan and Marawi would be comparable to Tokyo and Yokohama.

it's actually very simple: there are no flights serving Iligan because of this reason:

it is too close to CDO which makes it economically impractical to do so. The market for Marawi and Iligan is not that large to warrant flights to Iligan anyway, and they can be served by CDO flights since CDO is just ~70km away. Period.

Sky Harbor

June 12th, 2009, 09:28 PM

^^ Not quite. Explain then how come PAL expressed interest in serving IGN, only to pull out because of the MILF security threat?

Kintoy

June 12th, 2009, 09:36 PM

^^ Not quite. Explain then how come PAL expressed interest in serving IGN, only to pull out because of the MILF security threat?

this security threat argument is rather iffy. if other airlines would want serve Tawi tawi, which has shakier security situation than Iligan...

anyways, happy weekend everyone. who wants to join me in San Juan to surf? :)

Sky Harbor

June 12th, 2009, 09:45 PM

^^ That I wouldn't know. But I would have every reason to believe Arianespace, who mentioned it here before why IGN was cancelled. His response is in the archives somewhere.

mhek

June 12th, 2009, 09:58 PM

from manila to caticlan, anong plane gamit ng cebu pac? atr or airbus?

oninBadz

June 12th, 2009, 10:02 PM

^^ You are not getting the point of what I said. There will be demand for flights to Iligan, sure. But if and when such a road is built connecting the two cities directly, the demand becomes moot since CGY becomes more accessible to customers coming from Iligan and Marawi, and to fulfill that demand, airlines can always increase flight frequencies.

Now if such a road continues to not exist, then the practicality of having flights to IGN, at least for Iligan and Marawi residents, is still relevant because of the practical distance between the two cities. There's a simple analogy to this: why are residents in western Tokyo and Yokohama more willing to use HND than travel 90+ kilometers just to go to NRT? Simple: because it's closer to their areas of residence.

i agree with you sir sky harbor,he may not realize this because he's been in the place maybe once or twice.actually based on my classmate which is a PAL pilot average pax load in CDO which comes from iligan and marawi area is 40-60% in each of their flight which is 3-4x daily..a PAL Express flight operating a Bombardier aircraft is not even enough then if PAL Express decides to push through their flight to iligan.and for the sake of gentlemen's way of commenting,i don't think we should bring a certain discussion into a heated thing.

Sky Harbor

June 12th, 2009, 10:11 PM

from manila to caticlan, anong plane gamit ng cebu pac? atr or airbus?

They use ATR72s. The runway at MPH is too short to support any jet aircraft, save for Interisland's Yak 40s.

oninBadz

June 12th, 2009, 10:16 PM

I dont think the population of Iligan and Marawi would be comparable to Tokyo and Yokohama.

it's actually very simple: there are no flights serving Iligan because of this reason:

it is too close to CDO which makes it economically impractical to do so. The market for Marawi and Iligan is not that large to warrant flights to Iligan anyway, and they can be served by CDO flights since CDO is just ~70km away. Period.

i want to site an example why people from iligan and marawi practically needs the city's airport runnin',one thing is it would take a normal bus ride of 1hr and 25mins.from iligan to cdo it's almost the same as the flight to mnl not to mention the expenses you will encounter if your just an ordinary pax with no car to take you directly to RPML,taxi cab would toll around 500PHp from the bus stop to the airport plus the bus fare that should be around 120PHp and if your enjoying the promo fare of the season you won't really feel the discount actually because getting to the airport cost more than taking the flight.and imagine waking up 2am just to take the first flight out for mnl,than having to travel only 9KM from iligan city to the city's airport.and i guess im not the only person who is wishing those flight to happen in iligan i guess this would apply to all residents in the area.but unfortunately the place is 60% not secured so what can we do but scratch our head off.

xXx carlos xXx

June 12th, 2009, 10:55 PM

it was in the news yesterday....

a woman who barely missed her AF flight died in a car accident less than 2 weeks after the AF crash..

talk about final destination...
creepy

TeslaCoil

June 12th, 2009, 11:33 PM

i want to site an example why people from iligan and marawi practically needs the city's airport runnin',one thing is it would take a normal bus ride of 1hr and 25mins.from iligan to cdo it's almost the same as the flight to mnl not to mention the expenses you will encounter if your just an ordinary pax with no car to take you directly to RPML,taxi cab would toll around 500PHp from the bus stop to the airport plus the bus fare that should be around 120PHp and if your enjoying the promo fare of the season you won't really feel the discount actually because getting to the airport cost more than taking the flight.and imagine waking up 2am just to take the first flight out for mnl,than having to travel only 9KM from iligan city to the city's airport.and i guess im not the only person who is wishing those flight to happen in iligan i guess this would apply to all residents in the area.but unfortunately the place is 60% not secured so what can we do but scratch our head off.

this is like saying cavite, batangas, laguna, quezon city, bulacan etc. should have their own airport terminals because it will take us about an hour or two just to get there. and mind you there is also no direct jeepney nor bus transportation going to manila airport.

it was in the news yesterday....

a woman who barely missed her AF flight died in a car accident less than 2 weeks after the AF crash..

talk about final destination...
creepy

now that is creepy.

oninBadz

June 13th, 2009, 12:23 AM

[QUOTE=TeslaCoil;38175442]this is like saying cavite, batangas, laguna, quezon city, bulacan etc. should have their own airport terminals because it will take us about an hour or two just to get there. and mind you there is also no direct jeepney nor bus transportation going to manila airport.

^^
my point here is domestic flight from iligan to manila....iligan/cdo/marawi is around 480km away from MNL,that's why it is practical for that area to have their own airport runnin' and i think you don't need to fly in to MNL when your just from cavite,batangas laguna and quezon city isn't it???:)

carl_vilches21

June 13th, 2009, 03:44 AM

it was in the news yesterday....

a woman who barely missed her AF flight died in a car accident less than 2 weeks after the AF crash..

talk about final destination...
creepy

Yikes!!!
Katakot naman...

kiretoce

June 13th, 2009, 04:02 AM

it was in the news yesterday....

a woman who barely missed her AF flight died in a car accident less than 2 weeks after the AF crash..

talk about final destination...
creepy

That would make a very good sequel! :lol:

TeslaCoil

June 13th, 2009, 04:26 AM

^^
my point here is domestic flight from iligan to manila....iligan/cdo/marawi is around 480km away from MNL,that's why it is practical for that area to have their own airport runnin' and i think you don't need to fly in to MNL when your just from cavite,batangas laguna and quezon city isn't it???:)

That's exactly what I'm trying to say... the travel time (by land) from cavite, batangas, ect to the Manila Airport. It takes us 2 to 3 hours sometimes even 4 when traffic really really bad against your travel time (again by land) from Iligan to Laguindangan Airport which is 1 and a half hour.

dexter06

June 13th, 2009, 06:47 AM

i agree with you sir sky harbor,he may not realize this because he's been in the place maybe once or twice.actually based on my classmate which is a PAL pilot average pax load in CDO which comes from iligan and marawi area is 40-60% in each of their flight which is 3-4x daily..a PAL Express flight operating a Bombardier aircraft is not even enough then if PAL Express decides to push through their flight to iligan.and for the sake of gentlemen's way of commenting,i don't think we should bring a certain discussion into a heated thing.

I have been to Iligan a number of times since we had a client there. There are several manufacturing companies in Iligan and, in our client's case, they had Western expats assigned there, who go home to CDO everyday. Why? the expat wanted to be based in CDO for safety and security purposes though the company provided accommodation in Iligan.

When we go to Iligan, we usually take the first flight from Manila to CDO. That first flight on a Monday morning is always full. On my first time, i was surprised to see that 70% of the passengers were business or technical people carrying laptops, bags you usually carry to work. Our client told us that Cagayan de Oro is a transit point for passengers going to Bukidnon, CDO, Iligan and Marawi. True indeed, if you check the website of Cebu Pacific and PAL, notice that CDO has more flight frequencies than Iloilo and Bacolod - around 5-6x day per airline. CGY- Cebu is also 2-3x day per airline. Based on those visits to Iligan, i have reason to believe that indeed, Iligan is a sustainable market for direct flights.

dashalvin

June 13th, 2009, 07:03 AM

Feasible talaga ang Iligan flight. The people from Marawi alone is a big market knowing na maraming Marañao ang parating nag-airtravel to go to Cebu and Manila dictated na rin ng kanilang culture.

boom_box

June 13th, 2009, 10:05 AM

Yre

June 13th, 2009, 10:07 AM

That's exactly what I'm trying to say... the travel time (by land) from cavite, batangas, ect to the Manila Airport. It takes us 2 to 3 hours sometimes even 4 when traffic really really bad against your travel time (again by land) from Iligan to Laguindangan Airport which is 1 and a half hour.

He doesn't seem to get your comparison.

I have been to Iligan a number of times since we had a client there. There are several manufacturing companies in Iligan and, in our client's case, they had Western expats assigned there, who go home to CDO everyday. Why? the expat wanted to be based in CDO for safety and security purposes though the company provided accommodation in Iligan.

When we go to Iligan, we usually take the first flight from Manila to CDO. That first flight on a Monday morning is always full. On my first time, i was surprised to see that 70% of the passengers were business or technical people carrying laptops, bags you usually carry to work. Our client told us that Cagayan de Oro is a transit point for passengers going to Bukidnon, CDO, Iligan and Marawi. True indeed, if you check the website of Cebu Pacific and PAL, notice that CDO has more flight frequencies than Iloilo and Bacolod - around 5-6x day per airline. CGY- Cebu is also 2-3x day per airline. Based on those visits to Iligan, i have reason to believe that indeed, Iligan is a sustainable market for direct flights.

If your reasoning is correct, then they might as well stop constructing the new Laguindangan airport as it's not going to be feasible anymore.

Feasible talaga ang Iligan flight. The people from Marawi alone is a big market knowing na maraming Marañao ang parating nag-airtravel to go to Cebu and Manila dictated na rin ng kanilang culture.

You mean it's a Maranao culture to travel to and fro in Cebu and Manila?
Since when and how did it become a culure?

dashalvin

June 13th, 2009, 10:38 AM

No, wat I mean there is magprefer cla via airtravel than travelling through a ship because air travelling means na mayaman cla kasi may maratabat(pride) clang minimaintain. Kahit nga di tapos ang bahay basta may kotse, maganda na yon sa pakiramdam nila.

ianers_ianized

June 13th, 2009, 12:30 PM

I believe this is the answer to your query, got this info from http://surigaotoday.blogspot.com

Air Philippines flies in Surigao City starting July 1

Air Philippines, in its bid to be the leading low cost carrier in the country, expands its domestic network, this time to the surfing capital of the Philippines, Surigao del Norte. Starting July 1, 2009, Air Philippines flies Manila to Surigao City daily, with an introductory price of only Php1888/oneway all-in!

The flight will depart Manila at 8:45am to arrive Surigao at 10:15am. The return flight, it will leave Surigao at 10:45am arriving Manila at 12:15pm. The flight will utilize the 118seater B737 aircraft, one of the latest in the airline’s fleet.

The entry of Air Philippines to Surigao City signals a more aggressive expansion program of the airline and is in answer to the popular clamor from the province for a more convenient and affordable transport schedule for its travelers.

Yeah, this is confirm with the 2P bosses... Everything is "sister act" 2P gave OZC to their main sister PR, but 2P gets Surigao from PALExpress, as PALEx will open a route to Pagadian.

dexter06

June 13th, 2009, 12:42 PM

If your reasoning is correct, then they might as well stop constructing the new Laguindangan airport as it's not going to be feasible anymore.

That is also my question. It seems that Laguindingan airport was constructed to serve both Iligan and CDO (add to it Bukidnon as well - which is another market with DOLE, etc). But considering the security situation at Iligan, will the government not encounter the same problems with Laguindingan considering it is nearer to Iligan? Hopefully not. I assume the government has made careful study and considered all foreseeable contingencies when they chose Laguindingan.

raffy_east

June 13th, 2009, 02:25 PM

I travel lots CDO-Manila but I live in Iligan. Going to CDO from Iligan takes 1hrs-30min to 2 hours. Its a pain when you take bus. Laguidingan location is closer than Lumbia but still far. I must say that a lot of passenger come's from Iligan and Marawi. Laguindingan Airport may become the busiest airport in Mindanao when it opens.

oninBadz

June 13th, 2009, 02:40 PM

dashalvin

June 13th, 2009, 02:53 PM

Very well secured ang MisOr dahil ang mayor ng CDO is a close friend to known politicians in Marawi who protect the province from the threat of MILF.

oninBadz

June 13th, 2009, 02:59 PM

Sadly, If IGN would be expanded and installed ILS systems.. then Maria Christina Airport would be a functional airport that will cater Lanao del Norte and Sur Provinces... even the weather goes bad especially visibility issues...

I just really hate it that due to the recent attacks last year PAL Express decided back-out their plans as of now..

Even Laguindingan International Airport is progressing in construction... I'd rather still prefer put back MCA due to commute times in land travel...

^^

sakto jud ka bai,i too prefer to have RPMI operating than Laguindingan International Airport,it's around46KM???against 9-11KM distance from iligan...look at Ormoc City,it's only around an hour travel to Tacloban but they are enjoying a PAL Express flight.can you imagine that if RPMI would have 2 flights daily,it should be a big slack to passenger traffic in CDO or Laguindingan,Iligan and Marawi do have a big contribution in terms of pax load
w/c for sure they don't want it to happen...sira yung feasibility studies dyan.but then again all we have to do for now is wait till overall safety is achieved...which the big question will follow...WHEN....

carl_vilches21

June 13th, 2009, 03:17 PM

Very well secured ang MisOr dahil ang mayor ng CDO is a close friend to known politicians in Marawi who protect the province from the threat of MILF.

Buti naman at may mayor silang ganun...

oninBadz

June 13th, 2009, 03:27 PM

Feasible talaga ang Iligan flight. The people from Marawi alone is a big market knowing na maraming Marañao ang parating nag-airtravel to go to Cebu and Manila dictated na rin ng kanilang culture.

and they usually travel in groups.seldom you would see them travelling alone...that makes Ma.Cristina Airport more feasible,hehehehe.if only they could convince their MILF brothers to stop those nonsense attacks and would rather help securing the area...

dashalvin

June 13th, 2009, 03:36 PM

Buti naman at may mayor silang ganun...

Yap, pero sa case sa Iligan ang mayor ay walang back-up from Marañao politicians in Marawi at parang hate niya ang mga Marañao that is why prone sa attack ang Iligan.

dexter06

June 13th, 2009, 04:31 PM

Well, we can go on and on but the reality now is, there is (will be) a new airport - Laguindingan - which is relatively halfway between CDO and Iligan serving both markets including Bukidnon. That is the compromise perhaps.

TeslaCoil

June 13th, 2009, 09:09 PM

^^
yah you're right,those places that you mentioned have the same travel time or maybe distance to NAIA as iligan to laguindingan/CDO "but" cavite,batangas etc...you don't have to fly in to MNL from those places right?those place you mentioned are already in the same island of Luzon and practically speaking you can drive or go to MNL anytime of the day you want. and it's totally different when your from iligan or marawi because with the distance we have from MNL we certainly have to travel by air or by sea and should the Ma.Cristina Airport be runnin' and operational,it should be a big relief and convenience for those people from Iligan and Marawi area.

You don't really get the point. I am talking about the distance and travel time going to NAIA from Cavite whenever we will fly to i.e. Hongkong, Cebu, Singapore etc. It has the same distance and travel time as you will travel from Iligan or Marawi to Laguindangan Airport again to go to wherever part of this country you want. So why should Marawi and Iligan need to have their own airport terminal? Tamad ba ang mga tao dyan to travel just few hours to get to the airport of Laguindangan?

I am not saying that Batangas and Cavite should have their own respective airports just to get to Manila. I hope you comprehend.

kiretoce

June 13th, 2009, 10:07 PM

I think it's the proverbial "keeping up with the Joneses" that these locales are putting up their own airports, even though the nearest one is still within the normal limits of travel time with any other airport in the world.

oninBadz

June 14th, 2009, 01:39 AM

You don't really get the point. I am talking about the distance and travel time going to NAIA from Cavite whenever we will fly to i.e. Hongkong, Cebu, Singapore etc. It has the same distance and travel time as you will travel from Iligan or Marawi to Laguindangan Airport again to go to wherever part of this country you want. So why should Marawi and Iligan need to have their own airport terminal? Tamad ba ang mga tao dyan to travel just few hours to get to the airport of Laguindangan?

I am not saying that Batangas and Cavite should have their own respective airports just to get to Manila. I hope you comprehend.

^^
whhooa...did i mention anything about an international flight before???i think not,i remember you writin' some comparison about cavite,quezon city and whatever places you mentioned...i made it clear that i am referring to domestic travel here.which mean people travelling from ILIGAN/MARAWI area to MNL....and now your mentioning about people from your place to flying to
hongkong or singapore...ohno:while for us if going to MNL is a must,we don't have a choice but to fly with inconvenience,but for you going to MNL is just a ride away and it is already "MNL": i am talking about inconvenience of travelling to MNL via another city.about our need to have our own airport???we don't need one,coz we already have one,all i am hoping is for it to operate.apparently you haven't been in Marawi or somewhere else in the area that's why it's so simple for you to say we are not entitled to have our airport operating coz the international standard Laguindingan Airport is takin' shape...and in the first place,would it bother you if that airport starts to operate when laguindingan is under construction?wala ka naman yatang share dyan sa Laguindingan Airport,for you to be affected on the locals to hope for something even if it's as hazy as it gets...and experiencing inconvenience has nothing to do of being tamad,come to this place so you'll know how it works in here...:)i do comprehend,but my point is troubling you so i use alphabet here say from pointA(your local place) to pointB(MNL airport) all you have to do when you're from those places you mentioned is catch a bus or taxi to the airport,let's say an hour or two... whereas from Iligan/Marawi from pointA going to pointB we still have to travel from pointA to pointA-1 because the airport is there...i also hope you comprehend,we are talking about how inconvenient it is to travel from our own places to MNL and not to somewhere else in the world...

TeslaCoil

June 14th, 2009, 04:32 AM

^^
whhooa...did i mention anything about an international flight before???i think not,i remember you writin' some comparison about cavite,quezon city and whatever places you mentioned...i made it clear that i am referring to domestic travel here.which mean people travelling from ILIGAN/MARAWI area to MNL....and now your mentioning about people from your place to flying to
hongkong or singapore...ohno:while for us if going to MNL is a must,we don't have a choice but to fly with inconvenience,but for you going to MNL is just a ride away and it is already "MNL": i am talking about inconvenience of travelling to MNL via another city.about our need to have our own airport???we don't need one,coz we already have one,all i am hoping is for it to operate.apparently you haven't been in Marawi or somewhere else in the area that's why it's so simple for you to say we are not entitled to have our airport operating coz the international standard Laguindingan Airport is takin' shape...and in the first place,would it bother you if that airport starts to operate when laguindingan is under construction?wala ka naman yatang share dyan sa Laguindingan Airport,for you to be affected on the locals to hope for something even if it's as hazy as it gets...and experiencing inconvenience has nothing to do of being tamad,come to this place so you'll know how it works in here...:)i do comprehend,but my point is troubling you so i use alphabet here say from pointA(your local place) to pointB(MNL airport) all you have to do when you're from those places you mentioned is catch a bus or taxi to the airport,let's say an hour or two... whereas from Iligan/Marawi from pointA going to pointB we still have to travel from pointA to pointA-1 because the airport is there...i also hope you comprehend,we are talking about how inconvenient it is to travel from our own places to MNL and not to somewhere else in the world...

^^ OMG! I rest my case:rofl:

:runaway:

romantic_guy08

June 14th, 2009, 05:02 AM

Some pics from DGT Airport:

5J A320 seconds after taking off
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3388/3623129309_1b1795324e.jpg

5J A320 on final approach
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2457/3621373597_cd2e28abc1.jpg

5J A320 seconds before touching down
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3624/3622220820_fcab120baf.jpg

romantic_guy08

June 14th, 2009, 05:04 AM

PR 294 (A319-100) as it takes off
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dexter06

June 14th, 2009, 05:27 AM

TeslaCoil

June 14th, 2009, 06:30 AM

^^ I do get what you mean but unfortunately oninBadz has different interpretation of my statement.

By the way, marami ring lugar na liblib na dinadaanan ng mga tiga Quezon, Batangas, Laguna and even Cavite going to Manila... Cab isn't really readily available in these places. Getting stucked if something happened to your vehicle isn't really much different experience from what you are pointing out. Shit do happen once in a while.

Sky Harbor

June 14th, 2009, 06:53 AM

^^ There's a reason why Quezon is batting for a new airport. Not all airports are deserving of the white elephant title (though there are some that deserve it, like the new TAG).

dashalvin

June 14th, 2009, 07:03 AM

Anong ibig sabihin ng TAG?

TeslaCoil

June 14th, 2009, 07:05 AM

^^ Parang every province dito sa pinas 'must have' an airport of two. 'Must have' ba talaga sya?

dexter06

June 14th, 2009, 07:08 AM

^^ There's a reason why Quezon is batting for a new airport. Not all airports are deserving of the white elephant title (though there are some that deserve it, like the new TAG).

Sky, by TAG, do you mean Tagbilaran, Bohol? I believe that is a busy airport with several daily flights for both PAL and CP.

Noize_320

June 14th, 2009, 07:50 AM

^^ Parang every province dito sa pinas 'must have' an airport of two. 'Must have' ba talaga sya?

do you mean 2 airports in one province? depends...if the road between them is as rough as a 4x4 off-road challenge, then maybe its considered...

Sky Harbor

June 14th, 2009, 09:46 AM

Anong ibig sabihin ng TAG?

^^ Parang every province dito sa pinas 'must have' an airport of two. 'Must have' ba talaga sya?

Sky, by TAG, do you mean Tagbilaran, Bohol? I believe that is a busy airport with several daily flights for both PAL and CP.

Haay...TAG is Tagbilaran Airport in Bohol. When the new airport in Panglao opens, the old airport will close, assuming the IATA (TAG) and ICAO (RPVT) codes of the old airport. But why open a new international airport when CEB is just a short boat ride away?

mwg12a

June 14th, 2009, 09:58 AM

^^ There's a reason why Quezon is batting for a new airport. Not all airports are deserving of the white elephant title (though there are some that deserve it, like the new TAG).

Its gonna be funny and even hard to maintain or keep an airport in every provinces who operates an airport terminal, the mere fact that the majority can't really afford to fly to and from Manila that often. The Philippines is just about the size of the state of Arizona and not every single county or provinces as we call it in the Philippines doesn't really have a commercial airport terminal except maybe private airstrips for private aircrafts.

The answer for the arguements between testacoil, oninbadz and others is not a new airport especially if the area can't really sustain the maintenance of a separate airport. It would be a GOOD RAIL system and highway to interconnect the provinces to the region's capital. This is what the government should really push through since it is practical and feasible unless there is a sudden boom in each town, cities and municipalities where every single residents in the area needs to be transported urgently because of their businesses then possibly a new airport in these areas you guys are mentioning should be a very good answer for that, but somehow, even the countries like Japan or Korea doesn't do this because they have a very good transport services who caters the needs of their citizens and business people.

pthfndr19

June 14th, 2009, 10:19 AM

CALBAYOG CITY AIRPORT PICTURES::)

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http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c124/alfinsky/IMG_5875.jpg

dexter06

June 14th, 2009, 11:09 AM

As we in the subject of airplanes and airports, i dont know how real is this, but take a look. Beach for landing?

vp81QyrmfA8

kiretoce

June 14th, 2009, 11:26 AM

As we in the subject of airplanes and airports, i dont know how real is this, but take a look. Beach for landing?

vp81QyrmfA8

That ain't real, not one bit. Obviously, it's just to promote something. It's a Dutch ad, by the way.

dexter06

June 14th, 2009, 11:30 AM

^^
Yes, i know. But considering that is a plane and the landing, and the budget for the ad, that was some production or camera trick. I dont know. I just laughed when the first passenger appeared on the door. Lol!!

dashalvin

June 14th, 2009, 01:57 PM

Di naman magiging white elephant ang old TAG airport dahil ibebenta yan for commercial dev't.

Sky Harbor

June 14th, 2009, 06:21 PM

^^ I meant the new airport in Panglao, not the current (soon to be old) airport in Tagbilaran.

pthfndr19

June 14th, 2009, 07:01 PM

ZEST AIRWAYS' NEW ROUTES:

Cebu
Daily service to Bacolod City, Negros Occidental, begins July 22, 2009.
Four times weekly service to Cagayan de Oro City, Misamis Oriental, begins July 23, 2009.
Five times weekly service to Caticlan, Aklan, begins July 22,2009.
Daily service to Davao City, Davao, begins July 22, 2009.
Daily service to Iloilo City, Iloilo, begins July 22, 2009.
Thrice weekly service to Zamboanga City, Zamboanga, begins July 22, 2009.

Zamboanga
Thrice weekly service to Sandakan, Sabah, Malaysia, begins July 22, 2009.

Kintoy

June 14th, 2009, 09:46 PM

TeslaCoil

June 14th, 2009, 10:24 PM

Haay...TAG is Tagbilaran Airport in Bohol. When the new airport in Panglao opens, the old airport will close, assuming the IATA (TAG) and ICAO (RPVT) codes of the old airport. But why open a new international airport when CEB is just a short boat ride away?

This is something I rant about. Why build another airport if the existing one is still operational and even just few or even less than an hour away? How many international flights a day would it really have once operational?

Have they really started the construction of Panglao airport? I hope it won't push through.

kiretoce

June 14th, 2009, 10:27 PM

^^ Read all about it in the Panglao-Bohol International Airport Development Project (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=479167) thread.

TeslaCoil

June 14th, 2009, 10:29 PM

^^ thanks kimber!

lovely_aiko

June 15th, 2009, 04:08 AM

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2007/photorelease/q1/070315a_lg.jpg
GOODBYE B777 300 ER AIRCRAFT ?

This has been the talk on the line for about sometime now.

Basically that PAL management is considering deferring or outright canceling or modify its order for Boeing 777 200 ER aircraft at this time where it looks like the Philippines will remain under US FAA Category Status 2.

All these speculations about the possible aircraft deferment/cancellation is the topic of a June 15, 2009 (Monday) Business Mirror article.

The article writes that PAL management is rethinking about shelving the purchase of 6 Boeing 777 300 ER aircraft citing the looming possibility that the US FAA will not lift its Category 2 status rating of the Philippines when it does it review in October.

The Category 2 status limits Philippine Airlines from flying new aircraft and e to other gateway cities that PAL planned for its US expansion.

Article also mentions, that most likely PAL will honor the delivery of 2 of its prior order of 6 Boeing 777 300 ER aircraft and use it for flights to Canada, Australia and Japan , while moving utilization of the A340 aircraft to its Los Angeles routes.

This is indeed a very sad development. I would think there is some truth to the article and rumors as crew training for 777 ER aircraft has not commenced with just a few months left of its scheduled delivery.

To read the whole Business Mirror article :

PAL RETHINKS BOEING PURCHASE

http://businessmirror.com.ph/home/top-news/11742-pal-rethinks-boeing-purchase.html

arianespace

June 15th, 2009, 04:14 AM

^^
Did I not break that story before?

I just said what Jaime is saying now a long time ago. Well I guess the folks in another forum have no idea what I'm talking about.

marlowe_cano

June 15th, 2009, 04:23 AM

;38166448']salamat sa pagsagot sa aking tanong :)

waaah etong cebu pacific na ito malilintikan to sa akin pag na charge ako sa card ko
bibili sana ako ng ticket, pero pagdating sa online payment...
so input ko na ang card number and kung anong etcetera

tapos after I clicked "submit" walang nangyari, no payment made daw then input ulit ako

then ganun pa rin, then input ako (akala ko to verify lang kasi nung una)
so naasar ako, i tried my mastercard and my visa pero ayaw pa rin

so I quit

puchaaaaaa pag ako na charge nito (i think i clicked submit 4 times) magmumura talaga ako sa kung sinong pwede kong murahin hanggan yun na ang pinakamatinding murang maririnig ng taong kausap ko sa buhay nya grrrrrrr

easy, easy. :lol:

lovely_aiko

June 15th, 2009, 04:47 AM

^^
Did I not break that story before?

I just said what Jaime is saying now a long time ago. Well I guess the folks in another forum have no idea what I'm talking about.

I also remember you writing quoting your 'well placed' sources that there was some kind of loophole' about the clause of the use of new aircraft into the US. I dont particularly recall the details of what you wrote and your quoted sources , but it was along the lines that since the aircraft was brand new and approved for flying by the US FAA, PAL can still use the aircrafts for its planned US expansion or something to that effect.

Apparently that thinking is not the same with what's on the minds of PAL higher ups, that is those in top corporate management as it looks like a deferment much worse a cancellation is in the offing if the US FAA category upgrade remains status quo.

This is indeed a big blow for Philippine Airlines and Philippine civil aviation if indeed it is true about what is being written that Philippine government authorities are not getting their acts together to ensure a lifting of the Category 2 downgrade when the US FAA people review it in October.

Just when everybody thought that PAL was ready to expand and fly high , comes these sad developments. Stories such as these are a source of low morale and discouragement to PAL employees particularly those who were going to benefit from the planned expansion. People like domestic cabin crew and other PAL support personnel , even junior management who were expecting their status upgrades if the expansion were to happen.

Wala talagang swerte and PAL ! But then again I'm not giving up on my airline.

Sky Harbor

June 15th, 2009, 05:34 AM

im originally from mindanao btw. so i know the place.

i agree with teslacoil, a 1-hr drive is like manila-Cavite, so parang humihingi din ang cavite ng airport because they find it inconvenient to drive for an hour to the airport.

Distance is relative. NAIA-Makati is like ten kilometers away and it still takes me like thirty minutes to get to the airport. NAIA-QC or NAIA-Cavite City takes more or less an hour. Then again, Cavite is not asking for an airport because they don't see the need to when NAIA is so near. That is not the same case with Iligan.

(The point with Cavite though is moot, since they are already getting an airport: Sangley Point.)

arianespace

June 15th, 2009, 05:54 AM

^^
@lovely_aiko

There was indeed this loophole. Perhaps they may have to hire my services for that.

Well, anyway there is no problem flying. At least from what I know they can still fly it with a price. The question is are they willing to pay? Based on your post, assuming it was the company position, I don't think so.

What FAA was wary about is how the Philippine government will monitor inspection afterwards. It would be foolish for the airline to fly a brand new plane with no guarantee for safety checks after being used. Although it can be safely checked abroad, the government is not willing to spend dollars for that service just for the sake of a private enterprise which it was mandated to do but it can't because of foolish politics. That can easily be classified as graft.

What I'm saying is PAL is not prepared to pay the penalty that is not in their making in the first place. If I'm Lucio Tan, why would I pay it when I did not caused it? Its actually a simple business case. No more no less.

Don't worry. They are not entertaining cancellations but only deferment. Not because of the downgrade but because of the market demand to some of its intended destinations. Downgrade is easily the best explanation when the safety audit has not even began. Definitely its not the real score. Call it a product of world recession. Believe me I know. As I previously said a long time ago, the two will pass through while the other 4 might be deferred for some time. So there is no surprise for that. Even JAL and NWA axe almost all of its 787 orders.

Sometimes we have to be real about what is happening around us to survive while hoping for the best.:)

Sky Harbor

June 15th, 2009, 06:06 AM

^^ They say Northwest axed its 787 orders because Delta doesn't want new, "overweight" airplanes. However, rumor has it on A.Net that Delta will order new 787s. As for JAL, they upgraded their 787-3 orders to 787-8s.

buenos-Diaz

June 15th, 2009, 06:13 AM

That ain't real, not one bit. Obviously, it's just to promote something. It's a Dutch ad, by the way.

^^i laff at this nice add pero if u think of it parang totoo galing ng gumwa ng adds...

"ZukiChirO"

June 15th, 2009, 01:54 PM

Zest Airways Planned destinations....
By new Face of its Website~....

http://www.zestair.com.ph/images/international_route_img.jpg

raffy_east

June 15th, 2009, 02:08 PM

^^ very great info from Zest Airways. I hope they will fly to those destinations soon. :)

Sky Harbor

June 15th, 2009, 02:14 PM

^^ I'm doubting international services from Kalibo (or to a lesser extent, Laoag) will last long.

arianespace

June 15th, 2009, 02:57 PM

^^
Asian Spirit A.K.A Zest has been flying out of Kalibo to outside waters a long time ago using either an MD-80 or a BAE 146 to such route as Macao, HongKong and Seoul on a chartered seasonal flights just like what Cebu Pacific did when they started flying internationally. Remember they fly to Korea yet you can never see their schedule with Seoul as destination. That service ceased for a brief moment but its back again on a A320. They must be doing something good there. I just hope they upgrade it to a regular flight. But the international flight is there alright.

mrboy

June 15th, 2009, 03:01 PM

arianespace

June 15th, 2009, 03:28 PM

may i ask, how about the plan route of zest from zam-sdk? do you think its feasible?

Yes. And to Kota Kinabalu too. There was already a market study made on that route in 2002 if my memory serves me right and it was made by 3 different airlines at different periods most recently by Asian Spirit. The only problem it suffers is the seasonal fluctuation which need to be anticipated in advance and the airport location which the passengers love to hate. Asian Spirit was in fact making a killing fare-wise on that route until they changed the fleet. But they will soon be back as they are hoping to maximize the use of their plane when additional MA-60 arrive this year. Lets just wait for further announcements from them.:)

seven13

June 15th, 2009, 04:08 PM

Cebu pac'd MNL-ICN is already bookable via their website

marlowe_cano

June 15th, 2009, 04:19 PM

Cebu pac'd MNL-ICN is already bookable via their website

seven, is the website: www.zestair.com.ph viewable? i might be the only surfer who is having an error when i try to view this site... can u please check, pls... tnx! :)

mrboy

June 15th, 2009, 04:51 PM

Yes. And to Kota Kinabalu too. There was already a market study made on that route in 2002 if my memory serves me right and it was made by 3 different airlines at different periods most recently by Asian Spirit. The only problem it suffers is the seasonal fluctuation which need to be anticipated in advance and the airport location which the passengers love to hate. Asian Spirit was in fact making a killing fare-wise on that route until they changed the fleet. But they will soon be back as they are hoping to maximize the use of their plane when additional MA-60 arrive this year. Lets just wait for further announcements from them.:)

ahh i see, thanks! will the route be cebu-zam-sdk vice versa? parang ganun kasi pagkaintindi ko sa sched nila sa website? :)

seven13

June 15th, 2009, 07:39 PM

seven, is the website: www.zestair.com.ph viewable? i might be the only surfer who is having an error when i try to view this site... can u please check, pls... tnx! :)

It did load on my browser but not as fast as cebpac's web

mikem488

June 15th, 2009, 08:21 PM

It will be two years in January that the United States FAA downgraded Philippine aviation.

Will there be further penalties if there are not any improvements. Could the government give PAL three months to get certified or will the United States reduce the number of current flights allowed.

The Obama administration does not do anything without thinking what their action will result. By restricting flights during a slow down in the economy, other airlines will pick up the business.

There is a big issue of safety. I remember reading that helicopter pilots were re certifying 747 pilots. The Philippine government better start paying employees a higher salary in the airline inspection business.

TeslaCoil

June 15th, 2009, 08:27 PM

^^ Could it be just another protectionist move of Uncle Sam?

thescene

June 16th, 2009, 01:58 AM

It's quite ironic that GMA who is one of the most travelled presidents can't seem to fix the aviation industry and make it world class.

mwg12a

June 16th, 2009, 04:09 AM

^^^^ It only means one thing, her hands are all tied up either, she has no control over it, otherwise, she could of done it when she is personally benefitting with all these.

Lucentino

June 16th, 2009, 04:23 AM

Or maybe the funds are being divided to airports all over the country. They are maximizing the money to keep all important airports operational based on standards. Aesthetics could come later. :)

mwg12a

June 16th, 2009, 04:29 AM

^^^^ I don't think it's that. MIAA or whoever is responsible for meeting the demands or requirements of FAA is not very efficient and is not sure how they could meet the requirements in time since it is mostly all the technicalities and procedures are the issues that is needed to be met, in other words NAIA is not at par with the international safety standards. It has nothing to do with having an airport that is aestherically pleasing to the naked eyes.

Chrisvenz

June 16th, 2009, 04:57 AM

Air Philippines arrives Surigao four months late
June 16, 2009
Air Philippines finally fly Surigao this summer!
Summer of the western world that is...

Manila- Low Cost Carrier Air Philippines arrived late in Surigao but still on time for the summer period in the western world as it will start daily service instead of 4 times a week schedule originally slated in March this July 1st.

The airline founded in 1995, will substitute PAL Express Q400 service and operates on code share agreement with Philippine Airlines.

A Boeing 727-200 jet aircraft, which seat 118 passengers in a monoclass layout, will be deployed on the route. AirPhil will start daily jet service between Manila and Surigao starting July 1, 2009. Flights from Manila will depart 8:45 am, arriving Surigao at 10:15 am. The return flight leaves Surigao airport at 10:45 am and lands in Manila 12:15 pm. It operates at the new Terminal 3.

Air Philippines President & CEO Capt. Edilberto R. Medina said that it concluded a probing flight to Surigao City on 16 February and while they intend to launch flight there as originally scheduled some unforseen technical circumatances were going there way which prompted them to delay the service. The culprit seems to be the airport's preparedness to handle a jet flight and training of some CAAP personnel to emergency situation.

Surigao will becomes Air Philippines’ 9th domestic destination in the airline’s expanding route network based at hubs in Manila and Cebu. The airline has recently suspended its commercial operations to three major Mindanao cities in July last year and reduced much of its frequency for its main Visayas-Mindanao service due to massive losses and intense competition with Cebu Pacific.

The airline took off its last flight to Ozamiz City last June 14, 2009 to give way to its sister company, Philippine Airlines. In a press release, AirPhil. decided to leave Ozamiz after observing the city's rapid economic expansion that requires bigger aircraft to accommodate the growing volume of air travelers and cargo.

Airline industry sources however said that the entry of Cebu Pacific's direct Manila service paved the way for its eventual exit based on its experience at the Dumaguete Airport.

The source said the airline’ cannot anymore justify fuel bill as the cause but have to contend with heavy competitions from both Cebu Pacific and Zest Airways which are introducing newer and better aircraft at the same charging fare at a lower cost, and passenger awareness to choose to ride newer and better planes.

Air Philippines fare was considerably higher than Cebu Pacific and Philippine Airlines flight from Dipolog which prompted other passengers to ride from Dipolog airport instead while others contend themselves of booking early for the Cebu stops.

The airline has been hit particularly hard by high petroleum prices in 2008 because its jet fleet consists mostly of 20-year-old Boeing 737-200s, whose engines are substantially less fuel-efficient than their modern counterparts. To operate profitably, they have to maintain load consistency and pricing strategy which they can do at will while being alone in a particular market.

With impending profitability warning, the airline surrendered Ozamiz to its much bigger sister while enjoying happily at Surigao Airport. The Airbus 319 which Cebu Pacific had is not certified to fly safely at the current Surigao airport until after runway extensions and safety areas has been met.

Air Philippines fly only profitable routes in Puerto Princesa, Iloilo, Cebu, Davao, Naga, and this time Surigao while it buys time for a better market conditions but that condition is slowly being eaten by Zest Airways . It has 7 active Boeing 737-200 advance and 1 Boeing 737-300 aircraft on its fleet. Presently, it operates only 4 aircraft and grounded 4 others. Air Philippines has announced a plan to completely ground its old 737s by 2010 but deferred its implementation due to massive losses in 2008. The airline is expected to receive two A320 this year and a solid black financial performance.

can't wait to see the livery of AirPhil on its new A320. :):banana:

dashalvin

June 16th, 2009, 07:10 AM

I hope that SM Inv't Corp will also enter the airline industry someday...

sloanesquare

June 16th, 2009, 10:17 AM

Singapore Airlines loses a quarter of its passengersJune 16, 2009 - 12:52PM
Singapore Airlines continues to be hit by the global financial crisis with the carrier shedding a quarter of its passenger numbers during the past year.

The government-owned airline carried 1.2 million passengers in the 12 months up to May, compared with almost 1.6 million the year before, according to figures released

pthfndr19

June 16th, 2009, 10:50 AM

seven, is the website: www.zestair.com.ph viewable? i might be the only surfer who is having an error when i try to view this site... can u please check, pls... tnx! :)

Ang ganda na ng website ng Zest Air ngayon hehehe:banana:

shytype

June 16th, 2009, 04:16 PM

International air passenger traffic drops
By Darwin G. Amojelar

INTERNATIONAL passenger traffic in the Philippines fell in the first three months of the year due to the global economic crisis, the Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB) said Monday.

Data from CAB showed that international passenger traffic went down by 4.2 percent to 2.97 million in the first quarter from 3.1 million in the same period last year.

Of the total, incoming passengers were down by 6.7 percent to 1.4 million, while outgoing passengers slipped to 1.58 million from 1.65 million.

Porvenir Porciuncula, CAB deputy executive director, said the decline in passenger traffic “is [due to] the global economic slowdown.”

He said passenger traffic would slow down further in the second quarter due to the A(H1N1) scare.

Of the 43 carriers with authority to fly in and out of the country, only 32 airlines operated during the period. The CAB said Air Nauru, Aeroflot, Air France, Vietnam Airlines, Canadian Airlines and British Airways ceased flying to the Philippines in 2001 followed by Swissair, Egyptair, Air France and P.T. Bouraq in 2004.

Philippine Airlines (PAL) flew 880,642 international passengers, down by 3.6 percent from 910,508 passengers last year. The flag-carrier’s incoming traffic stood at 411,572, while outgoing passengers reached 469,070.

Cebu Pacific carried 352,226 international passengers, or 4.7 percent higher than the 336,246 in the same period last year. Of the total, incoming passengers numbered 165,552 while outgoing passengers stood at 186,674.

Asian Spirit had no passengers during the period, while Southeast Asian Airlines flew 225.

Foreign airlines like Cathay Pacific carried 355,547 passengers; Northwest Airlines, 125,598; Singapore Airlines, 128,133; Korean Air, 57,784; Emirates Air, 99,376; Japan Airlines, 105,842; Thai Airways, 72,039; China Airlines, 67,403; Gulf Air, 68,971; and Asiana Airlines, 129,538.

Lufthansa and Dragon Air also had no passengers during the first quarter.

The regulator said domestic air traffic grew 21 percent to 3.4 million passengers from 2.8 million in the same three-month period last year.

The industry’s load factor—the number of seats occupied during a flight—climbed to 77 percent in the first three months from 75.6 percent in the same period in 2008.

The total number of seats during the period reached 4.29 million, up from 3.4 million in the same period previously.

csc36869

June 16th, 2009, 05:43 PM

12m new airport cards over the counter
By Vito Barcelo
Manila Standard Today

The Bureau of Immigration is completing the release of 12 million pieces of arrival-departure cards at the Ninoy Aquino International Airport and other international terminals to replace the cards printed by the Airlines Operators Council.

Bureau Interpol and Anti-Fraud chief Samuel Vallada Jr., officer-in-charge of the new cards, said no public money was used because a private firm sponsored the project.

“The Extend Inc. shouldered the costs in exchange for them to place their product on the cover of the card,” he said.

Vallada said the company, owned by Vic Laucheng, is linked up with US-based Cryptometric which is into pass issuance modules using barcode technology and biometric information.

“We consulted the Commission on Audit and other government agencies concern if we would violate certain rules should a private firm printed the cards without any biddings or other procedure. There was none,” he said.

Under the contract signed with the bureau, Extend would print the cards for five years.

Council chairman Ma. Lourdes Reyes said operators have agreed to use the new cards.

“We are still distributing the old cards because we have millions of these cards in our offices here and abroad,” she said.

The old version, which was also sponsored by firms such as Smart, had advertisements in exchange for subsidizing printing cost

QatPhils

June 16th, 2009, 08:20 PM

Great News for 5J, it has ordered 5 A320s at the Paris Air Show:)

BBC (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8103545.stm)
LAT (http://www.latimes.com/business/nationworld/wire/sns-ap-eu-france-air-show-airbus,0,5265128.story)

raffy_east

June 16th, 2009, 10:00 PM

Cebu Pacific increases Airbus A320
aircraft order to 15
Continues to expand across the Asian region
Cebu Pacific (CEB), Asia’s 3rd largest low-cost airline, has increased to 15 from ten the number of Airbus A320 aircraft it is buying and is studying whether it should order five more.

At 20 aircraft, the total investment required would reach $1.3 billion. Delivery of the 180-seat aircraft will be from October 2010 to November 2013.

CEB president and CEO Lance Gokongwei said the additional orders are needed because of the airline’s expanding domestic and international operations.

“The global economic downturn notwithstanding, we are experiencing a surge in the number of passengers flying Cebu Pacific mainly because of our low fares. We expect this growth to continue, hence our decision to further expand our fleet,” he said.

Cebu Pacific carried close to seven million passengers last year and expects to carry nine million this year. From 2010 onwards, the numbers should continue to grow as more aircraft are deployed to serve more destinations.

Altogether, CEB has now placed firm orders of 27 A320 Family aircraft with 12 already delivered. “We currently operate 21 aircraft from the A320 family, including nine leased aircraft, with an average age of just 1.9 years.” Lance Gokongwei emphasized.

The new A320s will be powered by CFM International’s CFM56-5B engines (worth US$140 million) which are very efficient and have better fuel consumption. The engine also meets the latest environmental protection standards set by the International Civil Aviation Organization for its low carbon dioxide emission.

The airline had earlier signed a US$100-million OnPoint solution agreement with GE Aviation’s services business. The 12-year service contract includes general maintenance and repairs, parts procurement, technology upgrades, engine leasing, and overhaul of the CFM56-5B engines.

“This expansion will more than double passenger capacity and enable us to provide our trademark low fares for new domestic and international destinations. We expect to increase our passenger numbers from nine million this year to 15 million in 2013,” Gokongwei said.

CEB operates flights to 15 cities in Asia and 32 domestic destinations using 21 Airbus aircraft and eight ATR aircraft.

source : http://www.cebupacificair.com/aboutus/press/2009/06162009.html

Asian, low-cost airlines boost Airbus

LE BOURGET, France - Asian and low-cost airlines defied worries about the global recession and placed dozens of orders with Airbus at the Paris Air Show on Tuesday, in sharp contrast to rival Boeing, which reported no new sales.

Planemakers at the world's biggest air show are trying to coax airlines and governments to open their pocketbooks and buy more aircraft despite plunging passenger loads and revenues.

Airbus CEO Tom Enders declared that Tuesday's sunny skies — after pelting rain on Monday's opening day — boded well for business.

Airbus announced two firm orders from Vietnam Airlines and the Philippines low-cost airline Cebu Pacific worth $1.8 billion on Tuesday. Vietnam Airlines ordered 16 Airbus A321 single-aisle jets worth $1.4 billion and pledged to buy two more A350-XWB planes.

The airline made a deposit and signed a memorandum of understanding for the two A350 planes, which falls short of a firm sale and means Airbus does not count the order in its overall tally.

Cebu Pacific made a firm order for five single-aisle A320s worth a total of $385 million at list prices. Airlines often negotiate substantial discounts to catalog prices, particularly in tough economic times.

Source : http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31388778/ns/business-world_business/?ocid=twitter

TeslaCoil

June 16th, 2009, 10:09 PM

^^ sabi naman sa businessmirror 20 na daw ang ordered airplanes ng cebupac.

lovely_aiko

June 17th, 2009, 12:47 AM

^^ sabi naman sa businessmirror 20 na daw ang ordered airplanes ng cebupac.

I have to give it to Cebu Pacific for being so bold and aggressive with their growth plans. While other airlines, including my airline , PAL are thinking of deferring and or canceeling their previous aircraft orders, Cebu Pacific keeps on adding new aircraft to its growing fleet. This airline company is just so bullish with their business plans amodst current conditions.No one can stop them, not even once mighty PAL.

TeslaCoil

June 17th, 2009, 12:50 AM

^^ they might take over PAL in the near future if your PAL keeps its conservativeness.

Sky Harbor

June 17th, 2009, 04:00 AM

^^ There is no way PAL will end up like Aer Lingus and Cebu Pacific will become Ryanair.

mwg12a

June 17th, 2009, 04:12 AM

Yeah, you've got to think the actual market CebPac is serving, they are LCCs and PAL is a full service airlines. It might hurt PAL alittle but unless 5J switched over to a full service airlines in their long haul flights they won't beat PAL. I mean who would fly long haul with the type of LCC service they offer? 5j would have to compete with other full service foreign airliners to even break in to that long haul market. Which means, 5j would need to have a fleet that would atleast equal PAL's service, from inflight entertainment to customer service. This is why Southwest airlines can't really tap into an international long haul service and they just flourish with their regional or domestic. CebPac is just like how southwest airlines operates in the US, they are both strong in their market but they are both limited in regional services unless they would venture to a whole new level of service which would probably require a separate management if they want to keep their strength in the region and in the LCC arena.

Sky Harbor

June 17th, 2009, 04:46 AM

frequentflier

June 17th, 2009, 05:40 AM

I thought 5J was planning to buy A330's?

csc36869

June 17th, 2009, 09:48 AM

Airbus a big winner at Paris Air Show AFP - Wednesday, June 17

LE BOURGET, France (AFP) - – Airbus was the big winner at the Paris Air Show on Tuesday, notching up 31 firm orders as it defended both its response to the recent crash of one of its planes and a decision to seek government development aid.

The European consortium followed up an order for 24 A320 aircraft it won on Monday from Qatar Airways with an order from AirAsia X, the long-haul arm of leading low-cost Asian carrier AirAsia, for 10 Airbus A350 aircraft.

AirAsia X said it had also taken an option to acquire five more of the wide-bodied A350, which is to be launched in 2013 to rival Boeing's 787.

At catalogue prices the order for the 10 planes would be worth 2.4 billion dollars (1.7 billion euros).

Airbus in addition announced that Philippines carrier Cebu Pacfific had placed a firm order for five medium-range A320s, which carries a catalogue price of 384.5 million dollars (276.6 million euros).

Vietnam Airlines meanwhile firmed up plans revealed Monday to buy 16 Airbus A321 aircraft and announced an intention to buy two long-haul A350s.

In another big deal, United Arab Emirates airline Etihad Airways said it had agreed engine and maintenance deals for its fleet worth some 5.78 billion dollars (4.17 billion euros).

The biggest order was with US industrial conglomerate GE, which will supply Etihad Airways with engines for 35 Boeing 787s and 10 Boeing 777s alongside a maintenance contract in a deal totalling 3.9 billion dollars.

The airline also announced a deal with Engine Alliance, a joint venture between GE Aircraft Engines and US engine maker Pratt & Whitney, to supply 45 engines and a maintenance contract for 10 Airbus A380 superjumbos.

A third contract was with US consortium International Aero Engines (IAE), which includes Rolls-Royce and Pratt & Whitney, for 44 engines for 20 Airbus A320s and is worth 575 million dollars, IAE said in a statement.

Airbus officials earlier Tuesday defended their handling of the recent crash of an Air France Airbus A330 over the Atlantic and insisted their planes were safe.

Airbus President Thomas Enders, addressing a press conference, rejected a reporter's suggestion that the manufacturer had been "timid" and not sufficiently forthcoming in the aftermath of the June 1 crash of Air France 447, which killed all 228 aboard.

"We do not speculate about the reasons for the accident," he said.

"The investigating authority is not Airbus. The investigating authority is the (French) BEA. We offer support but we do not speculate about the reasons. There is no possibility to know at this point why Air France 447 really came down."

Crash investigators have been looking at the possible malfunction of critical speed sensors on the aircraft.

Airbus chief operating officer Francois Bregier asserted that "all our aircraft are safe," adding: "Our track record is the best evidence."

Enders also insisted that Airbus plans to accept reimbursable government assistance to develop its long-haul A350 was legitimate.

"This is a reimbursable loan," he maintained. "We pay back with interest rates and royalties on top. And governments have said in the past that this is good business."

Airbus partners France, Germany, Britain and Spain have yet to decide how much money in government aid they will make available to the A350 program.

France has said it is considering a contribution of 1.4 billion euros and Germany up to 1.1 billion euros.

The United States and the European Union have long been at odds over government aid to their aircraft industries.

Washington in October 2004 lodged a complaint with the World Trade Organization, accusing European governments of providing subsidies to Airbus in violation of international trade rules.

The European Union immediately responded with a counter-complaint on grounds that it is Boeing that takes advantage of unfair state assistance.

"We're facing a competitor with an aircraft, not by our accounts but by European Union accounts, that is probably the most highly subsidised aircraft ever," Enders said.

"And we want to level the playing field."

Boeing on Tuesday accused Airbus of flouting world trade rules by trying to win government financing.

"We're very disappointed that Airbus again is choosing to use governmental money to develop their plane when they have the money do it with their own resources, which is what a company should do," Robert Novick, Boeing's legal advisor, told AFP here.

Novick said it showed "disregard" for the WTO as it prepares to issue a ruling on whether such financing violates international rules of commerce.

http://asia.news.yahoo.com/afp/20090617/tts-france-aerospace-show-509a08e.htmlhttp://asia.news.yahoo.com/afp/20090617/tts-france-aerospace-show-509a08e.html

sloanesquare

June 17th, 2009, 11:07 AM

The new A320s will be powered by CFM International’s CFM56-5B engines (worth US$140 million) which are very efficient and have better fuel consumption. The engine also meets the latest environmental protection standards set by the International Civil Aviation Organization for its low carbon dioxide emission.

this paragraph interests me. who is this engine maker that a comment is deemed necessary about its C02 content. I am only familiar with RR GE and to a lesser extent P&W as engine providers.

Kintoy

June 17th, 2009, 12:17 PM

Distance is relative. NAIA-Makati is like ten kilometers away and it still takes me like thirty minutes to get to the airport. NAIA-QC or NAIA-Cavite City takes more or less an hour. Then again, Cavite is not asking for an airport because they don't see the need to when NAIA is so near. That is not the same case with Iligan.

(The point with Cavite though is moot, since they are already getting an airport: Sangley Point.)

meron bang flights to Sangley Point?

eagle1974

June 17th, 2009, 01:26 PM

while other destinations are either downgraded/stopped, SQ is now 4x daily? check this ...
http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/en_UK/FlightInfo/ettResult.jsp

Sooo happy with this. ;-)

dexter06

June 17th, 2009, 01:51 PM

while other destinations are either downgraded/stopped, SQ is now 4x daily? check this ...
http://www.singaporeair.com/saa/en_UK/FlightInfo/ettResult.jsp

Sooo happy with this. ;-)

Just checked SQ website. It is 4x daily, pleasant surprise indeed. Manila - Singapore traffic growing by leaps and bounds.

To add: Ceb Pac is also going 3x daily starting August (from 2x daily last Dec 2008 to 18 per week last March or April).

Very good news indeed.

arianespace

June 17th, 2009, 02:25 PM

I have to give it to Cebu Pacific for being so bold and aggressive with their growth plans. While other airlines, including my airline , PAL are thinking of deferring and or canceeling their previous aircraft orders, Cebu Pacific keeps on adding new aircraft to its growing fleet. This airline company is just so bullish with their business plans amodst current conditions.No one can stop them, not even once mighty PAL.

Nah, its a penny. Just wait for the bang at Farnborough next year. It will be more than what Vietnam Airlines has ordered.

cebuboi

June 17th, 2009, 03:33 PM

^^^^as i was reading/reviewing past threads here regarding airports...it is really good that there is a healthy discussion here being battled by the forumers but i do agree with some on raising ideas somewhat on why every provinces here in our country wanted to have an international airport in their locality...i mean im not against with them to have an airport...but an international airport??? i bet upgrading the existing ones to international standards would be better...what do you think???

as we can see there are existing international airports that upto now not yet fully utilized to its purpose...and adding more international airports again would only mean another extra expenses to the government...and that if not properly manage it would only mean one thing...wasting the taxpayors money in the basket...and nobody wanted to end it that way i think...

and speaking of an international airport it is implying that it should have an international destinations to begin with...we all have to think that maintaining an airport is not an easy task, as it comprise a huge responsibility to deal with much more if it is a so called international airport of international standards...of international expenses also...hmmm just kidding but true...

well for our country really to move fast forward the best equation? is to take one step at time..whether in local or in national government...^^^^

sloanesquare

June 18th, 2009, 04:18 AM

Just checked SQ website. It is 4x daily, pleasant surprise indeed. Manila - Singapore traffic growing by leaps and bounds.

To add: Ceb Pac is also going 3x daily starting August (from 2x daily last Dec 2008 to 18 per week last March or April).

Very good news indeed.

i agree..since we are isolated and have lost a lot of the European direct flights, Manila needs at least 24 flights to HK and Singapore maybe up to 12 flights daily so that we are not considered a remote destination. Cebu needs attention to maintain its tourist hub status

Singapore BKK and HK benefit greatly by being major stopovers for the long haul australia to europe flights.even qantas now code shares with AF/KLM to paris with connections at one of these asian cities. Thats free tourism for these cities which we never get now.

numiX

June 18th, 2009, 04:33 AM

Yah. 5j 801/802 0625H/ 5j 805/806 1345H/ 5j 803/804 20:30H. And hopefully arianespace revelation on Farnborough next year will be a reality. Thats good news indeed. Well, were kinda disappointed that A330 for Ceb pac will not happen this year or in the near future. Lance is really playing safe, with his advisers around (former Low cost airline heads). And Duty Free will be introduced to Cebu Pac by July 15th, for added income.

hybridace101

June 18th, 2009, 04:42 PM

bitoy

June 18th, 2009, 09:22 PM

Pilot dies mid-flight; plane lands safely in NJ (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090618/ap_on_re_us/us_pilot_dies)

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20090618/capt.614bda9c8e174bdb984692972efdddd3.pilot_dies_wx109.jpg

NEWARK, N.J. – The pilot of a Continental Airlines flight from Brussels to Newark died over the Atlantic Ocean on Thursday, but the jet landed safely with two co-pilots at the controls.

The 247 passengers aboard Flight 61 weren't told of the pilot's death and flight attendants continued serving snacks, though the crew did ask for the help of any doctors aboard. Several passengers approached the cockpit, including one doctor who told The Associated Press the pilot appeared to have suffered a heart attack.

The 60-year-old Newark-based pilot, with 32 years of service to the airline, is believed to have died of natural causes, said Kelly Cripe, a spokeswoman for the Houston-based airline.

A relief pilot was on board during the flight and took the place of the deceased pilot, Cripe said. The Boeing 777 touched down on time just before noon at Newark Liberty International Airport.

"The flight continued safely with two pilots at the controls," Cripe said

Kintoy

June 18th, 2009, 11:17 PM

Pretty cool although I would have preferred the 4th flight should be in between the 8.20 and 14.20 flight.

Don't forget, this is not just despite the economic downturn, SQ's downsizing but also the fact that the recent H1N1 cases in Singapore are imported from the Philippines.

this "fact" has no basis

Sky Harbor

June 19th, 2009, 04:14 AM

^^ It's true. Around 1-3 recent H1N1 cases in Singapore involve Filipinos coming from the Philippines.

ngprofflorida

June 19th, 2009, 06:02 AM

Zest Airways orders A320, six MA60s

LE BOURGET, France— Zest Airways has placed a firm order for a medium-range Airbus A320 airliner, Airbus announced at the air show here on Wednesday.

The airline already operates two of these aircraft that it had bought on the market for used aircraft.

Airbus did not give the value of the order, but the catalog price for the aircraft is about $77 million or 55.4 million euros.

Zest Air earlier this month also placed an order for six additional MA60s, the Chinese-built aircraft.

The carrier, formerly Asian Spirit, already operates five MA60s and expects to take delivery of the newly ordered planes starting in October.

Two more will arrive in December, with the remaining three MA60s coming next year. AFP

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hybridace101

June 19th, 2009, 06:04 AM

What are the chances a Filipino carrier will order a widebody airbus aircraft in the near future?

Sky Harbor

June 19th, 2009, 06:10 AM

^^ PR, 5J and Z2 are all rumored to do it within the next 3-5 years.

sonnyville

June 19th, 2009, 07:56 AM

PR's 744's are reaching their age, about 14.4 according to airfleets.net, give them another 5 to 10 years or so, more or less. the a343 and a330s are younger, about 11.2-11.4 years of age. the 777s were supposed to compliment them as well as the proposed new routes, and slowly find replacements for the 744s. the a380 isn't so bad for the major PR routes, MNL to SFO and MNL to LAX, but with plenty of competition from other asian carriers who can out do PAL in terms of service, carriers like Asiana, Cathay, KE, JAL, and even NWA/Delta-Manila is well serviced by these carriers ,better connections to other destinations, etc. and the cost of fuel, decrease in travel, it might be wise to carefully reconsider the 777s or the 748i.

5J and the others, more A320s is all they really need for fleet expansion. with the way things are in travel and the aviation industry and other factors globally, they don't need large planes like the a330 yet. so many LCC have gone under. they will have a difficult time trying to fill these planes up per seat. maybe some a321s in the near future, with slightly more seats on domestics and regional.

wondering...
PR can start it's own Cargo branch? Maybe when the 744s reach their passenger service retirement, PAL Cargo? Dami kaya balikbayan boxes or "door to door", but aside from that, the RP does export a lot of things overseas. Take note, the next time your in Hawai'i and buy those plastic leis or those seashell made jewelry boxes, find out where it's made, you'd be surprised to find if it says, "Made in the Philippines" or "Product of the Philippines, Assembled in ....", and those dried Cebu mangoes at Costco... all, if not most of the shops at Fisherman's Wharf in SFO sell lots of things made in the RP.

Kintoy

June 19th, 2009, 09:56 AM

^^ It's true. Around 1-3 recent H1N1 cases in Singapore involve Filipinos coming from the Philippines.

maybe, but there are cases here in the Philippines involved people coming from Singapore.

it's a very misleading statement, you're as if implying that all cases there came from the Philippines.

btw, many cases of AH1N1 here in the Philippines involved FilAms from the US. So you should say also that swine flu is imported from the US, to be fair.

dashalvin

June 19th, 2009, 02:56 PM

Good news for Zest Air fleet expansion. How many A320s they had ordered?

raffy_east

June 19th, 2009, 04:03 PM

According to : http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/industrials/zest-airways-orders-airbus/

They are only ordering 1. It says : Zest Airways Inc. has placed a firm order for a single-aisle A320.

Thats really great news. Happy for Zest Airways :)

dashalvin

June 19th, 2009, 04:14 PM

I'm happy for Zest. Though they have very few fleet, they are still able to fight in the competition and show optimism by increasing their planes even in a little way. Hope so soon, they will experience the success of 5J. And also for SEAIR that they will initiate reforms to their business system as Zest Airways did.

dashalvin

June 19th, 2009, 04:31 PM

Do you have any info of SEAIR lease A320s?

Lucentino

June 19th, 2009, 09:02 PM

^I guess they have resolved the kinks at ZestAir. I thought they were having "internal management issues"...

dashalvin

June 20th, 2009, 04:44 AM

According to a news dated June 8, 2009, SEAIR shelved their plan to operate 2 A320s because of the crisis. No time frame yet for the acquisition of the planes as they will wait for the economical recovery.

mambo

June 20th, 2009, 07:10 AM

mwg12a

June 20th, 2009, 11:21 AM

Just out of curiosity. I guess arianspace or tonyboy can answer this one. How come neither PAL or CebPac are using A321 to their regional/asian destinations?

boom_box

June 20th, 2009, 11:47 AM

^^ IMO, A321 has longer runway requirements due to its load factors... the bigger the airplane the longer runway it requires...

also IMO, small difference lang seats sa A320 at A321... kaya siguro mas prefer nalang ng PR at 5J to purchase more A320 and A319 so they can avail more flights rather than more seats...

but all in all arianspace can answer those questions... :D

ianers_ianized

June 20th, 2009, 12:02 PM

^^ If you think about it, Ryanair is an LCC and Aer Lingus is a full-service airline. EI can't compete with FR because FR is cheap. It's fairly analogous to 5J and PR: 5J, being an LCC, can serve many of the destinations PR cannot (KUL, BKI, CAN, KHH) but conversely, PR can serve destinations 5J cannot (XMN). Cebu Pacific may be stronger than PAL regionally (and even domestically) in terms of network coverage, but we know who wins hands-down in customer service (even if they are both guilty of mishaps). :D

I agree... we know who's better in CS and high level of service... Business Class on all its domestic routes... it is something that 5J won't win over unless it goes on full service.

PR's 744's are reaching their age, about 14.4 according to airfleets.net, give them another 5 to 10 years or so, more or less. the a343 and a330s are younger, about 11.2-11.4 years of age. the 777s were supposed to compliment them as well as the proposed new routes, and slowly find replacements for the 744s. the a380 isn't so bad for the major PR routes, MNL to SFO and MNL to LAX, but with plenty of competition from other asian carriers who can out do PAL in terms of service, carriers like Asiana, Cathay, KE, JAL, and even NWA/Delta-Manila is well serviced by these carriers ,better connections to other destinations, etc. and the cost of fuel, decrease in travel, it might be wise to carefully reconsider the 777s or the 748i.

5J and the others, more A320s is all they really need for fleet expansion. with the way things are in travel and the aviation industry and other factors globally, they don't need large planes like the a330 yet. so many LCC have gone under. they will have a difficult time trying to fill these planes up per seat. maybe some a321s in the near future, with slightly more seats on domestics and regional.

PR's edge on these routes whether be it an old plane or new/refurbish ones is the direct flight to US from Philippines. If you see the fares on a standard travel agency selling, PR's regional fare routes is cheaper vs. other airlines in the regional network but when it is a transpac flt... it is the reverse. PR's US/CDN fares is higher/expensive vs. its competitors who make stopovers on their respective hubs. If PR has low fares that would be a promo w/ so many restrictions on ticket.

Just tip: Cheapest fare to Europe is always on TG.

hybridace101

June 20th, 2009, 04:21 PM

Just tip: Cheapest fare to Europe is always on TG.

Which does not fly as often to MNL as SQ or CX. Despite the fact that BKK is apparently ASEAN's busiest hub, MNL isn't widely served by BKK.

On another note, I'm sure you heard of the tragic death of a 60-year old CO pilot from BRU to EWR. Such a tragedy and the ironic part was that he was supposed to fly to the funeral of his in-law.

Sky Harbor

June 20th, 2009, 06:02 PM

hybridace101

June 20th, 2009, 06:26 PM

^^

If you compare PR to other carriers' livery in the late 80s, PR's livery seemed to be futuristic that time. Now, it appears more timeless.

arianespace

June 20th, 2009, 08:31 PM

^^Just out of curiosity. I guess arianspace or tonyboy can answer this one. How come neither PAL or CebPac are using A321 to their regional/asian destinations?

Good question.

The answer to that would be aircraft productivity.That is operating economics. This is how PAL and Cebu Pacific considered fleet planning. Both airlines fly domestic routes. They also fly regional routes.

While A321 can perfectly serve regional destinations, it has problems flying domestic particularly short destinations. Not because of airport limitation where most runway's are short although its part of the reasons, but because of its operating dynamics based on cost-range ratio.

Its actually more expensive to operate the plane on a given radius as compared to A319 or A320 despite it carry more passengers (220 max) for a given destination. Weight is to be compensated by the engine roar as it manages to fly.

More than 75% of PR and 5J's scheduled domestic flights are within the area of less than 350 nautical miles. That is roughly equivalent to at least 30 minutes to 1 hour travel time in the Visayas. Which means the aircraft most likely will need to fly this sectors.

Now, consider this, a flight time of 45 minutes on A321 burns 6 kilogram of fuel per Kilometer as compared to 1 hour 30 minutes travel which is only 4.4 kilogram of fuel per kilometer according to a BA data. And that is for the fuel alone. I'm not yet talking on the cost issues associated with tires, landing gear and frame stress among others.

To put it in perspective, its a lot more expensive for airlines to operate from Manila to points in Bacolod, Iloilo, Kalibo, Roxas and Legaspi as compared to flying points in Mindanao like Davao or Zamboanga.

The relationship between sector distance and operating costs is one of the fundamental rules of airline economics, we call it the holy grail that all airlines obey it by heart. Short sectors are more costly to operate in terms of cost per seat kilometer than their longer counterparts, say flying from Manila to Zamboanga, General Santos or Davao. In fact, all airlines including Zest makes a good profit on its Mindanao run but PR and 5J earns better by flying regional with this babies.

On this operating condition, flying a bigger aircraft will generally entail more cost for the airline's fuel bill which is almost 30% of its operating cost. The most fuel efficient plane for this sector is actually the A320 although the principle stays just the same for short haul hops. But so far its the most efficient if we consider all cost factors in short hops.

PAL was able to compensate A333 for Cebu because it will flew long distance the rest of the day. It also manages to fill its payload with cargo. I think 60% of the heavies RTK (Revenue ton per Kilometer) for Manila-Cebu run was generated from freight which is down lately. But that is just about it. Had they operated it solely on domestic run, it would have dragged their earnings further down. :)

mwg12a

June 20th, 2009, 08:53 PM

Thanks arianespace. I was just really thinking about 5J utilizing A321 to their asian destinations but I guess, it's more cost effective if they have A320 mostly even in their asian routes since they can utilize most of their aircrafts in domestic routes.

dexter06

June 21st, 2009, 03:40 AM

Thanks a lot Arianspace. Interesting.

Maybe that explains why Vietnam Airlines (VN) has mostly A321s than A320s? I have flown Ho Chi Minh (Saigon) to Hanoi which is around 1000+kms (around 2 hours flight). Flight time is a bit longer compared to an average domestic flight time in RP and frequency is every 2 hours or so. On some flights, it even uses the 777-200 to cope with the demand.

But it also uses the same aircraft for shorter hops such as Ho Chi Minh to Danang (midway). This airline uses its A321s on most domestic routes and also to regional destinations.

swahi

June 21st, 2009, 04:25 AM

sonnyville- regarding pal cargo, i don't know. i don't think that's PAL's priority right now. I have complained to PAL that my Hawaii supplier doesnt want to load on PAL because of several issues. I brought it up all the way to Bautista, who endorses it to his staff, after so many communications, still nothing, with my supplier complaining. We end up using China Airlines and ship via Taipei to Manila.

There is also a preference in our industry to utilize Cebu Pacific for cargo rather than PAL for our domestic route. There is more red tape and "lagay" required to deal with PAL cargo staff than Cebu Pacific, aside from the fact that Cebu Pacific can give better cargo rates than PAL. PAL can give better rates but you have to negotiate it, another red tape.

By the way, the cargo I mentioned to you from Hawaii, its final destination is in the Visayas. So it would make sense for me to load it on PAL and have it delivered all the way. But it comes out better to load it on China Air to Manila, then transfer it to Cebu Pacific. PAL is missing out on this cargo opportunity. And even what Arianespace mentioned about using the A330 offsetting it with cargo and that business is down, PAL is not reacting to defend or grab the market.

hybridace101

June 21st, 2009, 05:34 AM

^^

Good question.

The answer to that would be aircraft productivity.That is operating economics. This is how PAL and Cebu Pacific considered fleet planning. Both airlines fly domestic routes. They also fly regional routes.

While A321 can perfectly serve regional destinations, it has problems flying domestic particularly short destinations. Not because of airport limitation where most runway's are short although its part of the reasons, but because of its operating dynamics based on cost-range ratio.

Its actually more expensive to operate the plane on a given radius as compared to A319 or A320 despite it carry more passengers (220 max) for a given destination. Weight is to be compensated by the engine roar as it manages to fly.

More than 75% of PR and 5J's scheduled domestic flights are within the area of less than 350 nautical miles. That is roughly equivalent to at least 30 minutes to 1 hour travel time in the Visayas. Which means the aircraft most likely will need to fly this sectors.

Now, consider this, a flight time of 45 minutes on A321 burns 6 kilogram of fuel per Kilometer as compared to 1 hour 30 minutes travel which is only 4.4 kilogram of fuel per kilometer according to a BA data. And that is for the fuel alone. I'm not yet talking on the cost issues associated with tires, landing gear and frame stress among others.

To put it in perspective, its a lot more expensive for airlines to operate from Manila to points in Bacolod, Iloilo, Kalibo, Roxas and Legaspi as compared to flying points in Mindanao like Davao or Zamboanga.

The relationship between sector distance and operating costs is one of the fundamental rules of airline economics, we call it the holy grail that all airlines obey it by heart. Short sectors are more costly to operate in terms of cost per seat kilometer than their longer counterparts, say flying from Manila to Zamboanga, General Santos or Davao. In fact, all airlines including Zest makes a good profit on its Mindanao run but PR and 5J earns better by flying regional with this babies.

On this operating condition, flying a bigger aircraft will generally entail more cost for the airline's fuel bill which is almost 30% of its operating cost. The most fuel efficient plane for this sector is actually the A320 although the principle stays just the same for short haul hops. But so far its the most efficient if we consider all cost factors in short hops.

PAL was able to compensate A333 for Cebu because it will flew long distance the rest of the day. It also manages to fill its payload with cargo. I think 60% of the heavies RTK (Revenue ton per Kilometer) for Manila-Cebu run was generated from freight which is down lately. But that is just about it. Had they operated it solely on domestic run, it would have dragged their earnings further down. :)

This also begs another question that I have been having: why can SQ, CX and EK consider aircrafts like the A330 as regional aircraft while PR and most other EU carriers consider it medium-long range?

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dashalvin

June 21st, 2009, 02:24 PM

Wow, super mura ang Ozamiz-Manila!...

Noize_320

June 21st, 2009, 03:54 PM

^^ It was posted here I think yesterday. ;)

Anyway, let's raise once again the issue of PR's livery. Since GA (Garuda Indonesia) changed their livery, the only major Southeast Asian airlines maintaining liveries older than ten years old are MH, BI (Royal Brunei Airlines) and PR. Personally, I love PR's livery, and it's a very classy one as well, but what do you think is the possibility that there will be a revamp of the current one or perhaps a completely new livery for PAL?

just an opinion... i think PAL's livery is good enough to last until the company reaches 150 years or more...no need to have an overwhelming paint scheme...but somehow i noticed the white paint gets dirty easily...like one A340 (3432)...

quannar

June 22nd, 2009, 01:21 PM

Qantas will be operating Airbus A-330 tomorrow for their QF020 Manila-Sydney Flight.

Korean Air will start operating Airbus A333 Cebu to Incheon starting July 02 ETD CEB: 0040H ETA ICN: 0610H

wala lang gusto ko lang ipost hehehehe :lol:

shytype

June 22nd, 2009, 03:25 PM

5J Overtakes PR to take lead while MNL moves up
Aviation World StatisticsOAP DATA
18/06/2009
Top 100 Airlines of the world

by Number of Flights as of june 2009

Ranking Airline Code Airline Name Frequency
1 DL DELTA AIR LINES 26,898
2 AA AMERICAN AIRLINES 24,893
3 UA UNITED AIRLINES 23,996
4 US US AIRWAYS 22,936
5 WN SOUTHWEST AIRLINES 22,373
6 CO CONTINENTAL AIRLINES 18,554
7 NW NORTHWEST AIRLINES 17,372
8 LH LUFTHANSA GERMAN AIRLINES 13,623
9 AF AIR FRANCE 11,022
10 AC AIR CANADA 10,601
11 CZ CHINA SOUTHERN AIRLINES 9,440
12 FR RYANAIR 8,512
13 MU CHINA EASTERN AIRLINES 8,075
14 U2 EASYJET 7,163
15 NH ALL NIPPON AIRWAYS 6,764
16 JJ TAM LINHAS AEREAS 6,359
17 IB IBERIA 6,249
18 CA AIR CHINA 6,171
19 BA BRITISH AIRWAYS 5,897
20 AS ALASKA AIRLINES 5,896
21 G3 VARIG-GOL AIRLINES/ VRG LINHAS AEREAS S.A. 5,421
22 SK SAS SCANDINAVIAN AIRLINES 5,414
23 FL AIRTRAN AIRWAYS 5,237
24 JL JAPAN AIRLINES INTERNATIONAL 5,219
25 QF QANTAS AIRWAYS 4,690
26 B6 JETBLUE AIRWAYS CORPORATION 4,333
27 AB AIR BERLIN 4,276
28 TK TURKISH AIRLINES 4,194
29 KL KLM-ROYAL DUTCH AIRLINES 4,102
30 NZ AIR NEW ZEALAND 3,690
31 BE FLYBE 3,499
32 AM AEROMEXICO 3,319
33 AZ ALITALIA - COMPAGNIA AEREA ITALIANA S.P.A. 3,120
34 ZH SHENZHEN AIRLINES 3,044
35 DJ VIRGIN BLUE 2,947
36 OS AUSTRIAN AIRLINES AG 2,929
37 IT KINGFISHER AIRLINES 2,859
38 HU HAINAN AIRLINES 2,805
39 LX SWISS 2,754
40 MH MALAYSIA AIRLINES 2,737
41 MX MEXICANA DE AVIACION 2,682
42 SV SAUDI ARABIAN AIRLINES 2,679
43 WS WESTJET 2,634
44 KE KOREAN AIR 2,618
45 SA SOUTH AFRICAN AIRWAYS 2,599
46 9W JET AIRWAYS INDIA 2,472
47 F9 FRONTIER AIRLINES INC. 2,469
48 IC INDIAN AIRLINES 2,234
49 AV AVIANCA 2,186
50 9K CAPE AIR 2,177
51 EK EMIRATES 2,169
52 AK AIRASIA 2,106
53 WF WIDEROE'S FLYVESELSKAP 2,013
54 ZK GREAT LAKES AIRLINES 1,990
55 MF XIAMEN AIRLINES COMPANY 1,986
56 DY NORWEGIAN AIR SHUTTLE 1,926
57 FM SHANGHAI AIRLINES 1,890
58 GA GARUDA INDONESIA 1,851
59 LA LAN AIRLINES 1,827
60 OA OLYMPIC AIRLINES 1,815
61 TP TAP AIR PORTUGAL 1,815
62 OZ ASIANA AIRLINES 1,814
63 2F FRONTIER FLYING SERVICE 1,712
64 CM COPA AIRLINES 1,690
65 5J CEBU PACIFIC AIR 1,665
66 SU AEROFLOT RUSSIAN AIRLINES 1,638
67 3U SICHUAN AIRLINES 1,602
68 EI AER LINGUS 1,602
69 TG THAI AIRWAYS INTERNATIONAL 1,601
70 X3 TUIFLY 1,577
71 LO LOT - POLISH AIRLINES 1,573
72 PR PHILIPPINE AIRLINES 1,566
73 MS EGYPTAIR 1,552
74 OK CZECH AIRLINES 1,551
75 JK SPANAIR 1,546
76 AY FINNAIR 1,507
77 VN VIETNAM AIRLINES 1,490
78 SN BRUSSELS AIRLINES 1,478
79 SC SHANDONG AIRLINES 1,476
80 HA HAWAIIAN AIRLINES 1,474
81 BD BMI BRITISH MIDLAND 1,453
82 TOM THOMSON AIRWAYS 1,448
83 JQ JETSTAR AIRWAYS 1,422
84 QR QATAR AIRWAYS 1,406
85 SQ SINGAPORE AIRLINES 1,375
86 CX CATHAY PACIFIC AIRWAYS 1,360
87 4U GERMANWINGS 1,324
88 JT LION AIR 1,313
89 AP AIR ONE 1,302
90 YX MIDWEST AIRLINES 1,280
91 UT UTAIR AVIATION 1,267
92 A3 AEGEAN AIRLINES 1,218
93 ZL REGIONAL EXPRESS 1,179
94 UX AIR EUROPA 1,154
95 IG MERIDIANA 1,128
96 MA MALEV HUNGARIAN AIRLINES 1,112
97 S7 S7 AIRLINES 1,103
98 NT BINTER CANARIAS 1,088
99 NK SPIRIT AIRLINES 1,072
100 AR AEROLINEAS ARGENTINAS 1,069
Top 100 Airports OF THE WORLD

by Seat Capacity Available on International Departing Flights as of June 2009

Ranking Departure
Airport Code
Departure Airport Name Total Number
of Seats

1 LHR LONDON HEATHROW APT 814,142
2 CDG PARIS CHARLES DE GAULLE APT 705,541
3 FRA FRANKFURT INTERNATIONAL APT 636,410
4 HKG HONG KONG INTERNATIONAL APT 563,659
5 DXB DUBAI 541,287
6 AMS AMSTERDAM 525,302
7 SIN SINGAPORE CHANGI APT 495,468
8 BKK BANGKOK SUVARNABHUMI INTERNATIONAL APT 397,585
9 NRT TOKYO NARITA APT 388,108
10 ICN SEOUL INCHEON INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT 380,618
11 MAD MADRID BARAJAS APT 375,892
12 LGW LONDON GATWICK APT 329,863
13 MUC MUNICH INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT 328,663
14 JFK NEW YORK J F KENNEDY INTERNATIONAL APT 315,668
15 ZRH ZURICH AIRPORT 289,593
16 FCO ROME FIUMICINO APT 284,827
17 TPE TAIPEI TAIWAN TAOYUAN INTERNATIONAL APT 282,976
18 KUL KUALA LUMPUR INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT 274,733
19 IST ISTANBUL ATATURK AIRPORT 256,697
20 VIE VIENNA 254,848
21 DUB DUBLIN 249,396
22 CPH COPENHAGEN APT 242,845
23 BRU BRUSSELS AIRPORT 237,164
24 STN LONDON STANSTED APT 231,711
25 MIA MIAMI INTERNATIONAL APT 220,156
26 BCN BARCELONA APT 216,965
27 PVG SHANGHAI PUDONG INTERNATIONAL APT 208,985
28 PMI PALMA MALLORCA 206,255
29 YYZ TORONTO LESTER B PEARSON INTL APT 201,032
30 MXP MILAN MALPENSA APT 192,818
31 DOH DOHA 192,300
32 DUS DUSSELDORF INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT 183,764
33 LAX LOS ANGELES INTERNATIONAL APT 182,653
34 PEK BEIJING CAPITAL APT 170,239
35 MAN MANCHESTER INTERNATIONAL APT 169,931
36 ORY PARIS ORLY APT 166,092
37 PRG PRAGUE 160,684
38 CAI CAIRO 160,329
39 ATH ATHENS INTL ELEFTHERIOS VENIZELOS APT 156,430
40 BAH BAHRAIN 150,472
41 EWR NEWARK LIBERTY INTERNATIONAL APT 149,061
42 ORD CHICAGO O'HARE INTERNATIONAL APT 145,511
43 ARN STOCKHOLM ARLANDA APT 144,677
44 ATL ATLANTA HARTSFIELD-JACKSON INTL APT 143,256
45 LIS LISBON 142,718
46 MNL MANILA NINOY AQUINO INTERNATIONAL APT 141,615
47 KWI KUWAIT 140,821
48 AUH ABU DHABI INTERNATIONAL APT 139,079
49 GVA GENEVA 138,496
50 SYD SYDNEY KINGSFORD SMITH APT 137,513
51 HEL HELSINKI 130,772
52 SVO MOSCOW SHEREMETYEVO INTERNATIONAL APT 128,487
53 AGP MALAGA 124,924
54 OSL OSLO AIRPORT 124,849
55 KIX OSAKA KANSAI INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT 124,767
56 TLV TEL AVIV BEN GURION INTERNATIONAL APT 121,009
57 BUD BUDAPEST 118,544
58 DME MOSCOW DOMODEDOVO APT 118,413
59 JNB JOHANNESBURG O.R. TAMBO INTERNATIONAL 116,132
60 GRU SAO PAULO GUARULHOS INTL APT 115,074
61 BOM MUMBAI 115,017
62 IAH HOUSTON GEORGE BUSH INTERCONTINENTALAP 109,118
63 JED JEDDAH 109,063
64 SJU SAN JUAN LUIS MUNOZ MARIN INTL APT 108,719
65 LTN LONDON LUTON APT 108,300
66 DEL DELHI 108,092
67 SFO SAN FRANCISCO INTERNATIONAL APT 106,631
68 TXL BERLIN TEGEL APT 104,854
69 BHX BIRMINGHAM INTERNATIONAL AIRPORT 102,228
70 CGK JAKARTA SOEKARNO-HATTA APT 100,486
71 EZE BUENOS AIRES MINISTRO PISTARINI 99,225
72 YVR VANCOUVER INTERNATIONAL APT 98,570
73 NCE NICE 96,824
74 WAW WARSAW 95,628
75 ALC ALICANTE 95,324
76 IAD WASHINGTON DULLES INTERNATIONAL APT 93,269
77 MEX MEXICO CITY JUAREZ INTERNATIONAL APT 90,377
78 HAM HAMBURG AIRPORT 90,348
79 STR STUTTGART AIRPORT 89,164
80 RUH RIYADH 87,367
81 YUL MONTREAL PIERRE ELLIOTT TRUDEAU INT APT 84,701
82 AKL AUCKLAND INTERNATIONAL APT 84,654
83 SGN HO CHI MINH CITY 83,297
84 CGN COLOGNE/BONN K.A.APT 82,828
85 PTY PANAMA CITY TOCUMEN INTERNATIONAL 79,797
86 BEY BEIRUT 79,426
87 MCT MUSCAT 76,302
88 CMN CASABLANCA MOHAMED V APT 76,240
89 AMM AMMAN QUEEN ALIA INTERNATIONAL APT 74,406
90 CUN CANCUN 70,969
91 VCE VENICE MARCO POLO APT 70,808
92 LIM LIMA 69,148
93 FAO FARO 67,185
94 SXF BERLIN SCHOENEFELD APT 65,579
95 BGY MILAN ORIO AL SERIO APT 64,996
96 DFW DALLAS/FORT WORTH INTL APT 64,968
97 RIX RIGA 64,857
98 PHL PHILADELPHIA INTERNATIONAL APT 64,227
99 NBO NAIROBI JOMO KENYATTA INTERNATIONAL APT 64,010
100 MEL MELBOURNE AIRPORT 63,829

For further information please e-mail: max@oag.com
Source:OAG MAX Online

lovely_aiko

June 22nd, 2009, 09:50 PM

TeslaCoil

June 22nd, 2009, 10:24 PM

^^ Nabasa ko nga sya kanina. Those fools! May free mass naman every Sunday for different religions at bakit kailangan pa gumasta ng milyones? Ang mahal na pala ng serbisyo ng mga pari ngayon!!! Such a waste of money. Bakit ba lagi former military man ang nilalagay sa mga ganyang pwesto? Ano naman alam nila?

habagatcentral1

June 23rd, 2009, 02:42 AM

Good luck! :lol: Just like I remember that PAL flight I took from MNL to CEB back in 1990's....praying the rosary while landing on a turbulent weather at the PA.

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/686/35918302.jpg
Philippine Star Image

chesterot

June 23rd, 2009, 06:16 AM

http://www.bworldonline.com/BW062309/content.php?id=004

Tuesday, June 23, 2009 | MANILA, PHILIPPINES

BY KRISTINE JANE R. LIU, Reporter

A COMPANY headed by businessman George T. Yang — known for growing the McDonald’s hamburger chain in the Philippines — has won a 25-year contract to develop and operate an airport which serves as a gateway to the popular resort island of Boracay.

"We are going to make the existing airport an international one that can accommodate bigger planes," Mr. Yang, Caticlan International Airport and Development Corp. (CIADC) chairman, said in an interview.

CIADC and the Transportation department yesterday signed a concession agreement giving the former the right to upgrade, expand and operate the Godofredo P. Ramos Airport in Caticlan, Aklan in the neighboring island of Panay.

The group’s plan include expanding the under one-kilometer (.95 km) runway to 2.2 km and in the near term expand the existing terminal before constructing a new facility that can accommodate 1.5 million passengers a year.

"Right now, it can accommodate 40 to 50 flights per day but mostly small local planes that have a seating capacity of 30 to 50 passengers. We hope to introduce Airbuses in the future," Mr. Yang said, adding that he expects the number of foreign tourists to go up when regional flights start coming in.

Mr. Yang said they plan to start redevelopment as soon as they get a permit to start. The entire project, he added, will likely take around three to five years and cost some P2.65 billion.

Mr. Yang said this would be his first venture into the airport industry, having focused on the residential, resorts and hotels, and food businesses.

"We joined the bidding because there is a definite need for the [bigger] airports. This is the only privatization that we are interested in so far," he said.

Details of his firm’s offer were not immediately available. The 25-year concession agreement, officials said, is renewable for another 25 years and will be implemented under the build-operate-transfer law.

Adjacent to the airport is a 10-hectare property development which will be the site of an airport hotel, condotels and other commercial establishments. The company plans to have the entire project area declared by the government as a tourism development zone.

The airport upgrade is deemed critical to the overall positioning of Boracay and Aklan as an international tourism destination, particularly for South Koreans and Chinese.

Mr. Yang, who also owns the local McDonald’s franchise through Golden Arches Development Corp., already has existing hotel and leisure developments in Boracay which include the Fairways and Blue Water golf resort and the Balaihara Newcoast Villatel.

ianers_ianized

June 23rd, 2009, 01:26 PM

Which does not fly as often to MNL as SQ or CX. Despite the fact that BKK is apparently ASEAN's busiest hub, MNL isn't widely served by BKK.

On another note, I'm sure you heard of the tragic death of a 60-year old CO pilot from BRU to EWR. Such a tragedy and the ironic part was that he was supposed to fly to the funeral of his in-law.

I agree... I think they even terminate their evening BKK flts to MNL... w/c was the best connecting point to their EUR destinations.

^^ It was posted here I think yesterday. ;)

Anyway, let's raise once again the issue of PR's livery. Since GA (Garuda Indonesia) changed their livery, the only major Southeast Asian airlines maintaining liveries older than ten years old are MH, BI (Royal Brunei Airlines) and PR. Personally, I love PR's livery, and it's a very classy one as well, but what do you think is the possibility that there will be a revamp of the current one or perhaps a completely new livery for PAL?

I think it is good to maintain an eurowhite livery for environmental-friendly purposes but i think they should color to it like brush tips of red and blue... adding yellow will make it look cheesy.

Qantas will be operating Airbus A-330 tomorrow for their QF020 Manila-Sydney Flight.

Korean Air will start operating Airbus A333 Cebu to Incheon starting July 02 ETD CEB: 0040H ETA ICN: 0610H

wala lang gusto ko lang ipost hehehehe :lol:

Wow, At last QF will use their A330 in MNL... it will be a new standard of service on MNL flights... good thing they let those old B767 out of MNl. I heard those A330 have PTVs, is it the 300 series or 200? Pls confirm thanks?

On CEB, what does KE use before? A300?

quannar

June 23rd, 2009, 03:04 PM

^^^^

Yeah great for Qantas but they will just used it for June 23 flight and after this they will be utilized the B767 again....

As for KE i guess it was A320 not sure though.....

calbayognon

June 23rd, 2009, 04:59 PM

I agree... I think they even terminate their evening BKK flts to MNL... w/c was the best connecting point to their EUR destinations.

I think it is good to maintain an eurowhite livery for environmental-friendly purposes but i think they should color to it like brush tips of red and blue... adding yellow will make it look cheesy.

Wow, At last QF will use their A330 in MNL... it will be a new standard of service on MNL flights... good thing they let those old B767 out of MNl. I heard those A330 have PTVs, is it the 300 series or 200? Pls confirm thanks?

On CEB, what does KE use before? A300?

KE will be using A330 daily flight to Cebu starting this July.Pls. check their website.FYI.

Montecito_kid

June 23rd, 2009, 07:34 PM

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alcogoodwin

June 24th, 2009, 12:32 AM

mhek

June 24th, 2009, 12:53 AM

frequentflier

June 24th, 2009, 02:54 AM

from what i know, KE uses 777 for their service to MNL. but i may be wrong.

habagatcentral1

June 24th, 2009, 03:14 AM

whats with that "lol"?

Cherishing memories? Why? What's wrong with that? And the editorial cartoon is somehow witty because somehow it is a reflection of our society. LOLs doesn't always mean mockery or bullying. So malinis konsensya ko dyan. ;)

By the way, does anyone here know where is the best website to download FSX aircraft and add-ons? Thanks!

winztotoy

June 24th, 2009, 06:02 AM

Another example of how Philippine government and society works.

Just go read the Philippine Star article and feel frustrated maybe angry after:

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=480263&publicationSubCategoryId=68

Maybe Ciron believes that the bible is the strongest weapon to fight anomalies in CAAP... who knows, after this CAAP may save billions of pesos from bribes and kickbacks. :nuts:

mambo

June 24th, 2009, 06:08 AM

SIA to operate four daily flights to Manila

JEDDAH: Singapore Airlines (SIA) will add a fourth daily flight between Singapore and manila from July 10. The increase from three to four daily flights, operated by the Boeing 777 family of aircraft, will expand capacity between Singapore and Manila, by more than 20 percent. This has been made possible as a result of recent bilateral air services consultations between Singapore and Philippines. “The frequency increase on this route underscores the strong and growing economic, business and tourism links between Singapore and Philippines. It also improves the connectivity of Manila to the rest of the world.

absinthe_888

June 24th, 2009, 06:29 AM

Another example of how Philippine government and society works.

Just go read the Philippine Star article and feel frustrated maybe angry after:

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=480263&publicationSubCategoryId=68

CAAP Manager already had a quick reply to this story:

'No government funds spent on CAAP seminars' (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=480484&publicationSubCategoryId=63)

MANILA, Philippines - The Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines (CAAP) clarified yesterday that it had not spent a single centavo to conduct “values education” and “purpose-driven life” seminars for its employees.

In a statement, Ruben Ciron, CAAP director general, said that while they have conducted values education seminars at the CAAP central office along MIAA Road in Pasay City and in eight major airports nationwide, they did not spend CAAP funds.

Ciron said the 2,000 employees that have attended the seminars were given free copies of the Bible donated by benefactors and concerned organizations that believe that moral strengthening should be part of the CAAP organizational and managerial capability-building program.

Ciron, a retired Philippine Air Force (PAF) general, said the CAAP was pursuing the values education program in compliance with a directive of President Arroyo to lead moral renewal in their respective institutions.

“What we have started is a continuing values education program pursuant to Administrative Order No. 255 issued by President Arroyo on January 30, 2009 directing the heads of the executive department to lead moral renewal in their agencies,” Ciron said.

Ciron admitted that the CAAP had a P14.81 million plan to conduct a “Spiritual Advancement Values Education (SAVE)” program but the project has not yet been implemented.

Ciron said that they were still in the process of having the P14.81-million program approved by the CAAP board, headed by Transportation Secretary Leandro Mendoza as chairman that would then release funds for it.

The STAR reported that so-called “organic” CAAP employees have questioned Ciron’s move of allocating a budget of P14,819,080 for the SAVE program, which involves the 3,700 employees of CAAP that would take the 25-hour values education and purpose-driven life seminars that reportedly already started September 2008.

Sources dismissed yesterday the denial of Ciron that the program has not yet been implemented, saying that some of the employees have already attended the seminars that were held in Baguio and Bicol.

The sources earlier said that the values education program with its huge cost was highly questionable as well as unnecessary.

The CAAP employees said the program only used up much of the agency’s funds as well as employees’ time when the agency was supposed to be focusing on the effort for the country to regain its Category I status with the United States’ Federal Aviation Authority (FAA).

The US FAA downgraded the Philippines to a Category II status last December 2007 after the country allegedly failed to comply with international aviation safety and security standards.

The downgrade had galvanized the Philippine government into action, turning the CAAP’s forerunner, the Air Transportation Office (ATO) into an authority that will enable it to have autonomy and retain its revenue collections and provide funds for the training of aircraft check pilots and to satisfy the other requirements of the US FAA.

Previously as the ATO, the agency remits almost all of its revenue collections to the national treasury.

For 2009, the CAAP is expected to collect some P3.3 billion in revenues.

nayki

June 24th, 2009, 07:01 AM

dashalvin

June 24th, 2009, 07:35 AM

Yap, safe naman dahil aided din ang paggawa ng Xian MA60 ng Antonov at ng Bombardier technologies.

patlite_boy

June 24th, 2009, 07:47 AM

Safe ba sumakay sa Xian MA60 aircraft ng Zest Air? I already booked a flight to Caticlan for July not knowing they used this kind of Aircraft for Manila-Caticlan route.

@nayki paki check scroll down http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=663448&page=29

May training naman mga pilots wag lang mataranta during landing. MA60 is not FAA certified

dashalvin

June 24th, 2009, 09:26 AM

Hindi pala FAA certified ang MA60 kaya medyo mura xya compare sa ATR-72 or Q400 by 40%.

patlite_boy

June 24th, 2009, 09:49 AM

Hindi pala FAA certified ang MA60 kaya medyo mura xya compare sa ATR-72 or Q400 by 40%.

Mag Seair ka nalang. Make sure na Dornier 328 masasakyan mo tulad neto

http://i295.photobucket.com/albums/mm136/patlite_boy/DSC00025.jpg :banana:

Skyblade

June 24th, 2009, 02:29 PM

from what i know, KE uses 777 for their service to MNL. but i may be wrong.

KE621/622 and 623/624 are both on A330-300s. ;)

kratos1211

June 24th, 2009, 02:51 PM

^^ Zest Air accident last Jan 2009
Inquirer News Plane-undershoots-Aklan-runway
(http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/regions/view/20090111-182702/Plane-undershoots-Aklan-runway-15-hurt)
http://gallery.me.com/kevgod/100060/_MG_0739/web.jpg
Zest MA-60 undershot a runway after it attempted to land at Caticlan Airport Last Jan 2009

Sky Harbor

June 24th, 2009, 03:31 PM

For what its worth, the bird we recently caught to Manila.

RP-3337 at Kingsford Smith (Sydney) Airport.

RP-3331 was the one for our return.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2481/3653016553_8acedfc39b.jpg

Sir Brad, you rode the exact same planes I took going to Tokyo and back from Manila and Cebu (RP-C3337 to CEB and NRT from MNL, RP-C3331 to CEB from NRT). :lol:

sonnyville

June 24th, 2009, 06:26 PM

^^ interesting. nakita ko sa BBC news, they announced na yung Airbus factory sa Tianjin, the Chinese have made their first Airbus. Sabe daw nung isang European na stewardess ayaw nya daw sumakay kasi daw poor quality ang mga made in China, but later she got onboard and she said, "Oh wow, feels like a European made din lang" lol. kalokohan din.

here's a copy of the article from Yahoo News.

TIANJIN, China (AFP) – European aviation giant Airbus delivered the first A320 aircraft made at its factory in China on Tuesday, saying the event symbolised its long-term focus on the growing Chinese market.

A giant red curtain was pulled back to reveal the jet in a hanger during a ceremony at the factory outside the northern Chinese city of Tianjin.

The jet was the first to be completed at an Airbus factory outside Europe and company CEO Thomas Enders said it underlined the consortium's long-term relationship with China, one of the world's fastest-growing aviation markets.

"We will build a strong future with the China aviation industry and for the China aviation industry," he said.

"(Airbus) will be working increasingly with our partners in China, setting new standards."

The plane was delivered to Dragon Aviation Leasing and will be used by Sichuan Airlines, a regional Chinese air carrier whose markings were already on it.

It was to be flown to Chengdu, capital of Sichuan province, later on Tuesday and put into service the following day, officials said.

Tianjin mayor Huang Xingguo called Tuesday's event "a historic day" for Sino-European cooperation.

"We will further cooperate to write a new chapter in Chinese and European cooperation," Huang said.

The ceremony also was attended by the British and French ambassadors to China, German State Secretary Hartmut Schauerte and other top Tianjin officials.

Ten middle-distance A319/320 aircraft will be delivered by the end of the year, and the factory will then start to churn out up to four planes a month before the end of 2011.

Laurence Barron, president of Airbus China, said the company would sell a total of 70 planes for use in China this year.

Airbus said some 490 of its jets had been put into service in China so far.

The Tianjin plant, modelled on Airbus' factory in Hamburg, Germany, has an investment of nearly 10 billion yuan (1.47 billion dollars) and went into operation in September in the presence of Chinese Prime Minister Wen Jiabao.

The joint-venture factory, about 120 kilometres (72 miles) southeast of Beijing, is 51 percent owned by Airbus, a subsidiary of the European group EADS, and 49 percent by a Chinese aviation consortium.

The venture has revealed the extent that Airbus has gone to get a foothold in one of the world's most dynamic markets.

China's air market, the second biggest in the world, makes up 15 percent of sales at Airbus, which sold its first plane here -- an A310 -- in 1985.

The decision to build the China plant was based on strong growth estimates that predict the nation will buy up to 2,800 passenger and transport planes over the next 20 years.

These planes, of which 190 are expected to be jumbo jets, are valued at about 329 billion dollars.

In the next two decades, passenger travel is forecast to increase five-fold, according to industry estimates.

Airbus' goal is to gain half of the China market from now until 2012, compared with a 39 percent market share in mid-2008 and up from seven percent in 1995. Its main rival is current global market leader Boeing.

lovely_aiko

June 24th, 2009, 11:16 PM

23 June 2009
Manila Standard
(c) 2009 Manila Standard, All Rights Reserved

Flag carrier, Philippine Airlines has implemented several cost cutting measures to survive the global economic crisis that has hurt the airline industry.

"These initiatives ranged from limiting staff travel to essential, operational-related trips, to multi-tasking, to replacement of office lights to CFL lamps to cut electricity bills," PAL president Jaime Bautista said in a statement.

Asked to elaborate on the cost cutting measure, the corporate communication division of the airline said "as early as late last year, the PAL management embarked on an internal cost-management program, soliciting the participation of all employees on different cost cutting initiatives."

Bautista said the honest-to goodness cost cutting program was aimed at weeding out unnecessary expenses to enhance business efficiency.

"Staff hiring is also on hold, except for critical line positions," he said. stressing that the airline continued to train flight crew in preparation for the arrival of new Boeing planes to serve the trans-Pacific flights.

Bautista said that being aware of the challenges facing the airline industry, PAL hopes to adapt and cope with the current market volatility by focusing on product improvement, asset and cost management and business efficiency.

Bautista said that to survive the crisis, PAL had undertaken several initiatives that include maintaining the airline's on time performance which, to date , is better than industry standards.

"Improving customer service both ground and in the air, and offering competitive and affordable rates to loyal customers and new passengers will entice them to fly more and patronize Philippine Airlines, " he said.

Bautista said PAL would also optimize its use of capital , aircraft and human resources.

While focusing on cost cutting measure, the airline said it had launched two low fare promos over the last three months, including "Real Deal" in April and "Way to Go" in early June to encourage travel during the lean months, as well as reward loyal customers.

However, both low fare promos - as low as $38 for a round trip ticket to Taipei during the Real Deal promo as $98 to Hong Kong, Macau or Taipei during the Way to Go promo - had limited sale and travel periods.

"PAL maintained full service on all its flights in spite of the special fares,"it said.

The International Air Transport Association earlier predicted that airlines could post combined losses of $9 billion this year with an unprecedented 15 percent revenue drop that will see industry revenues shrink by $80 billion to $448 billion.

Giovanni Bisignani, the director-general and chief executive of the group, said there were no facts to support optimism and that the industry was in survival mode.

-Roderick T. dela Cruz

alcogoodwin

June 25th, 2009, 12:25 AM

Sir Brad, you rode the exact same planes I took going to Tokyo and back from Manila and Cebu (RP-C3337 to CEB and NRT from MNL, RP-C3331 to CEB from NRT). :lol:

:lol: Now there is a coincidence.

I was actually surprised. I often go out on Saturdays here in Sydney to get shots of the PAL flight, but until this day I had never seen C3337 on it.
Likely has been a lot, I just kept missing it.
The one day I didn't go out I missed a 747. A rare PAL visitor to Sydney it would seem.

Brad

arianespace

June 25th, 2009, 02:55 AM

_nFpFTcvxao

I may not love the person riding this plane but I certainly am proud of the plane that carried her to Brazil. A fitting tribute to the country and why PAL is very much the Philippines.

jameslab8470

June 25th, 2009, 03:30 AM

nag overshoot sa runway ang Zest Air ngayon lang sa Caticlan Airport.

frequentflier

June 25th, 2009, 03:31 AM

nag overshoot sa runway ang Zest Air ngayon lang sa Caticlan Airport.

again??

jameslab8470

June 25th, 2009, 03:39 AM

again??

Accident again. It was just reported sa GMA 7..

absinthe_888

June 25th, 2009, 04:45 AM

nag overshoot sa runway ang Zest Air ngayon lang sa Caticlan Airport.

Na naman?!?

"ZukiChirO"

June 25th, 2009, 04:53 AM

was all passengers on the board take safe of Z2 in Caticlan AIrport?

patlite_boy

June 25th, 2009, 06:24 AM

was all passengers on the board take safe of Z2 in Caticlan AIrport?

That's what I'm saying. Not FAA certified and all passenger aircraft landing and take-off in Caticlan should be STOL capable.

pthfndr19

June 25th, 2009, 09:15 AM

(UPDATE) Zest Air plane overshoots runway in Caticlan

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

By Jennifer Garcia, ABS-CBN Iloilo | 06/25/2009 10:15 AM

ILOILO - A Zest Air (formerly Asian Spirit) plane overshot the runway at Caticlan Airport in Malay, Aklan past 7 a.m. Thursday.

The plane exceeded runway 6 of the airport, but no one was injured, officials said.

As of posting, it was not yet clear why the plane overshot the runway.

The Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines (CAAP) said the Zest Air plane had 54 passengers, one flight mechanic, and four crew.

Meanwhile, CAAP ordered the cancellation of all flights to Caticlan airport until 6 p.m. Thursday while they are investigating the cause of the incident.

Over thirty flights will be affected by the cancellation.

as of 06/25/2009 12:47 PM

dashalvin

June 25th, 2009, 09:23 AM

Caticlan Airport's runway is too short. 900+m lang kaya kailangan talagang kabisado ng pilot ang pag-operate ng plane at dapat di xya fully loaded kagaya ng ginaw ng 5J sa ATR-72 nila na 60 passengers lang per flight instead of 72 para madali lang nilang mapastop ang plane.

absinthe_888

June 25th, 2009, 09:25 AM

^^ sana ay maumpisahan agad ni George Yang ang pag upgrade ng airport sa Caticlan.

RonnieR

June 25th, 2009, 09:52 AM

oninBadz

June 25th, 2009, 09:56 AM

I may not love the person riding this plane but I certainly am proud of the plane that carried her to Brazil. A fitting tribute to the country and why PAL is very much the Philippines.[/QUOTE]

^^

good day,indeed PAL is very much the Philippines.does Brazil's EMBRAER ERJ aircrafts could fit well if ever someday PAL would think about having one?it's a nice aircraft and it's really making some good reputation here in europe.thanks..:)

mwg12a

June 25th, 2009, 10:23 AM

excerpts from the news:

"this is the second incident involving the airline and aircraft type. In January, a MA60 operated by Zest also crashed at Caticlan airport, which is near the resort island of Boracay, while trying to land. The aircraft caught fire and suffered extensive damage to its wing, landing gear, undercarriage and one engines. Several passengers were injured in that accident."

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/06/25/328812/philippines-zest-ma60-overshoots-runway-at-caticlan.html

tsk tsk tsk tsk, Zest Air is having a bad start under its new name. I remember that news not too long ago about an accident with Zest Air involving their turbo prop plane which is MA60. I think most of the over shooting incidents of any aircrafts in any airports in the world are usually caused by pilot error. Now, this? This is a bad news for the Philippines' or MIAA's attempt to convince FAA to upgrade NAIA to category 1 from Cat2 because if this has been proven to be a pilot error. Damn, there goes one of FAA's citation on MIAA failure to ensure proper recertification of the pilots or actually, the Airport's authority's failure to document and ensure that the Philippines is following FAA's guidelines for safety which includes the pilot's, competency and upgraded skills based on the international standard.

whilmar_6

June 25th, 2009, 11:13 AM

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csc36869

June 25th, 2009, 01:18 PM

Boracay-bound plane overshoots runway in Caticlan, none hurt
Updated June 25, 2009 06:00 PM

MANILA, Philippines (Xinhua) -- No one was hurt when a small passenger plane overshot the runaway in central Philippines today, carrying tourists to the country's most popular tourist island Boracay, the airline company said.

The 60-seat turboprop aircraft, with flight number Zest Air 863, slipped one of its wheel when it landed at Caticlan airport in Aklan province. It remained stuck in the canal at the end of the runaway, forcing authorities to shut down the airport temporarily, witnesses said.

"Despite what happened, no passengers were injured and there's no need for their families to worry," Alfredo Yao, Chairman of Zest Airways Inc. said. Fifty-five passengers were reportedly on board when the accident occurred.

Flights to Boracay, which lies a stone's throw away from Caticlan, were canceled or transferred to a faraway airport.

It is the second time a Zest Air plane had a landing accident in Caticlan in six months. In January, a similar turboprop aircraft undershot the runaway, wounding at least three.

http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=480921&publicationSubCategoryId=200

Arciga_01

June 25th, 2009, 02:34 PM

That plane sucks, Zest Air should find another aircraft to replace that cheap chinese made turbo prop plane.

pthfndr19

June 25th, 2009, 03:26 PM

That plane sucks, Zest Air should find another aircraft to replace that cheap chinese made turbo prop plane.

^^ That's right. However, they ordered another 6 MA60 planes. :nuts:
They should replace it with ATR, BombardierQ300, or Embraer ERJ 145 jets for their Caticlan route and for other airports with shorter runway :P

Chrisvenz

June 25th, 2009, 04:01 PM

Top Operating Airlines in the Philippines

TOP INTERNATIONAL AIRLINES IN THE PHILIPPINES
As of March 2009

RANK AIRLINE NAME CODE PASSENGERS
1 Philippine Airlines PR 880,642
2 Cathay Pacific CX 355,547
3 Cebu Pacific 5J 352,226
4 Asiana Airlines OZ 129,538
5 Singapore Airlines SQ 128,133
6 Northwest Airlines NW 125,598
7 Japan Airlines JO 105,842
8 Emirates Airlines EK 99,376
9 Thai Airways TG 72,039
10 Gulf Air GF 68,971

TOP DOMESTIC AIRLINES IN THE PHILIPPINES
As of March 2009

RANK AIRLINE NAME CODE PASSENGERS
1 Cebu Pacific 5J 1,609,405
2 Philippine Airlines PR 1,512,614
3 Air Philippines 2P 124,516
4 Zest Airways Z2 114,611
5 Seair DG 42,724

Chrisvenz

June 25th, 2009, 04:06 PM

CAAP No Funds for Safety Upgrade
But Earns 3.3 Billion pesos in Revenues and spends 14 million for faith renewal

The Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines (CAAP) denied that it had not spent a single centavo on the conduct of “values education” and “purpose-driven life” seminars for its employees but admitted that it had a P14.81 million plan to conduct a “Spiritual Advancement Values Education (SAVE)” program but the project has not yet been implemented.

In a press briefing, Ruben Ciron, CAAP Director General who was a retired Philippine Air Force (PAF) General, said that they were still in the process of having the P14.81-million program approved by the CAAP board, headed by Transportation Secretary Leandro Mendoza who acts as its chairman before funds would be release.

Ciron defended that CAAP was only pursuing the values education program in compliance with a directive of President Gloria Arroyo to lead moral renewal in their respective institutions.

“What we have started is a continuing values education program pursuant to Administrative Order No. 255 issued by President Arroyo on January 30, 2009 directing the heads of the executive department to lead moral renewal in their agencies,” Ciron said.

The agency already conducted values education seminars at the CAAP central office along MIAA Road in Pasay City and in eight major airports nationwide, but such seminar did not spend CAAP funds.

Ciron said the 2,000 employees that have attended the seminars were given free copies of the Bible donated by benefactors but refused to divulged who the sponsors were and who paid for the food and accommodation bills.

Inside source who does not want to be named however disclosed that the unnecessary and overpriced program was already in effect and has disbursed closed to 4 million pesos for the associated expenses which would have been spent for the training of aircraft check pilots and to satisfy the other requirements of the US FAA.

Contrary to CAAP's argument, there may not be available local talents for the vacant job but there are qualified and eligible foreign consultants who are applying but are not considered for unknown reasons. They are supposed to served as instructors and trainers to meet the agency's safety and security requirements but the office opted instead to appoint ex-Air Force Officers as consultant who haven't flown even an Airbus 320 yet has something to say how the pilots fly their plane. How wrong can that be says the insider.

The insider further said that 14 million pesos is enough to hire foreign consultants that applied for the job but not considered and would have expedited FAA deficiency. Even Philippine Airlines and Cebu Pacific hire expatriates to do the job not locally available.

Meanwhile, CAAP employees said the program only used up much of the agency’s funds as well as employees’ time when the agency was supposed to be focusing on the effort for the country to regain its Category I status with the United States’ Federal Aviation Authority (FAA).

Chrisvenz

June 25th, 2009, 04:07 PM

RP, UK to amend ASA
Hold talks next month for EU Clause

By Lenie Lectura

THE Philippine air panel will hold bilateral negotiation with its counterpart in the United Kingdom next month to amend the air services agreement (ASA) between the two countries, the Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB) on Monday said.

“The air talks will be held July 7 to 9. Basically, the main issue in the upcoming air talks is to be able to update the agreement and hopefully include the European Union Community clause in the updated agreement,” said CAB Deputy Executive Director Porvenir Porciuncula in a phone interview on Monday.

Under the existing air pact between the Philippines and the UK, each country is authorized to field seven flights a week for airlines using bigger aircraft such as the Boeing 747, and maximum of 10 weekly flights for smaller aircraft.

“Even if there is no demand, we are open still to discussions to possibly amend the ASA. If there will be proposals to operate the UK-Manila route, then why not? Right now, there is no Philippine carrier mounting flights to UK and vice versa,” added the CAB official.

The Philippine air panel was supposed to hold similar talks with Cambodia this month. “But we did not get any confirmation from them so it would be postponed,” added Porciuncula.

The CAB is a member of the Philippine air panel. The other members are composed of officials from the Departments of Transportation and Communications, of Foreign Affairs, and of Tourism; Clark International Airport Corp.; and representatives from local airline companies.

They are set to hold bilateral negotiations to amend the existing ASA with China, Italy, Iceland and Korea soon, said Porciuncula.

In May, the Philippines and Spain sealed a new ASA, fielding 28-weekly flights for each country. From Manila to Madrid and Barcelona, there were seven flights per week awarded to the Philippines. To Madrid and Barcelona from Clark’s Diosdado Macapagal International Airport, 14 weekly flights were allocated.

Other points in the country, except Manila and Clark, were allotted seven flights a week. The same goes for Spain in which daily flights were also made available, except for Mardid and Barcelona.

Also, Manila was granted rights to service 200 tons of cargo per week while Clark got 300 tons per week. “For cargo, seven flights per week were also granted,” said CAB Executive Director Carmelo Arcilla.

This was the eighth air pact sealed by the Philippine air panel since the start of the year. Last month a new deal with Singapore was finalized.

ASAs were sealed with Brunei and Australia last March; Kuwait and Bahrain in February; and Qatar and the United Arab Emirates in January.

Chrisvenz

June 25th, 2009, 04:08 PM

PAL CUTTING COSTS, FREEZE HIRING AMID GLOBAL SLUMP
23 June 2009
Manila Standard
(c) 2009 Manila Standard, All Rights Reserved

Flag carrier, Philippine Airlines has implemented several cost cutting measures to survive the global economic crisis that has hurt the airline industry.

"These initiatives ranged from limiting staff travel to essential, operational-related trips, to multi-tasking, to replacement of office lights to CFL lamps to cut electricity bills," PAL president Jaime Bautista said in a statement.

Asked to elaborate on the cost cutting measure, the corporate communication division of the airline said "as early as late last year, the PAL management embarked on an internal cost-management program, soliciting the participation of all employees on different cost cutting initiatives."

Bautista said the honest-to goodness cost cutting program was aimed at weeding out unnecessary expenses to enhance business efficiency.

"Staff hiring is also on hold, except for critical line positions," he said. stressing that the airline continued to train flight crew in preparation for the arrival of new Boeing planes to serve the trans-Pacific flights.

Bautista said that being aware of the challenges facing the airline industry, PAL hopes to adapt and cope with the current market volatility by focusing on product improvement, asset and cost management and business efficiency.

Bautista said that to survive the crisis, PAL had undertaken several initiatives that include maintaining the airline's on time performance which, to date , is better than industry standards.

"Improving customer service both ground and in the air, and offering competitive and affordable rates to loyal customers and new passengers will entice them to fly more and patronize Philippine Airlines, " he said.

Bautista said PAL would also optimize its use of capital , aircraft and human resources.

While focusing on cost cutting measure, the airline said it had launched two low fare promos over the last three months, including "Real Deal" in April and "Way to Go" in early June to encourage travel during the lean months, as well as reward loyal customers.

However, both low fare promos - as low as $38 for a round trip ticket to Taipei during the Real Deal promo as $98 to Hong Kong, Macau or Taipei during the Way to Go promo - had limited sale and travel periods.

"PAL maintained full service on all its flights in spite of the special fares,"it said.

The International Air Transport Association earlier predicted that airlines could post combined losses of $9 billion this year with an unprecedented 15 percent revenue drop that will see industry revenues shrink by $80 billion to $448 billion.

Giovanni Bisignani, the director-general and chief executive of the group, said there were no facts to support optimism and that the industry was in survival mode.

-Roderick T. dela Cruz

dashalvin

June 25th, 2009, 04:35 PM

I cancel nalang sana Zest Air ang orders ng Xian MA60 at palitan na ng ATR-72 para di masayang ang billion pesos nila na investment. Ipalease nalang nila ang natirang MA60 sa ibang airlines. Hahay... Sayang ang pera.

Sky Harbor

June 25th, 2009, 04:57 PM

^^ If you think about it, the lack of FAA/JAA certification works to Z2's advantage economics-wise. The MA-60 is said to be around 40% cheaper (according to someone on PEx) than aircraft of similar size and type, but are FAA/JAA certified.

----

Anyway, moving on.

After a one-hour wait at PAL's Cubao ticketing office, I had finally availed of their Seat All You Can sale! I'm doing MNL-CEB-ILO-MNL on September 5, and I finally get to see the new ILO for the first time! I feel all giddy. :D

Still, if I had no classes, I won't hesitate to book myself on a Wednesday flight to Cebu, where they send the 747.

dashalvin

June 26th, 2009, 03:17 AM

Pero pag parati namang maoovershoot ang planes ng Z2 bound for Caticlan, for sure malulugi cla bcoz of d cost of repairs therefore di xya economical.

RonnieR

June 26th, 2009, 04:17 AM

Friday, June 26, 2009

Zest Air blames bad weather
as plane overshoots runway

http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2009/june/26/yehey/prov/20090626pro4.html

NEW player and budget airline Zest Airways Inc. blamed bad weather after flight Z2-863 overshot the runway at Caticlan Thursday morning, which prompted the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines (CAAP) to close the airport until Friday.

Zest Air owner Alfredo Yao said the MA60 plane with tail number RPC 8992 exceeded the runway of Godofredo Ramos Airport in Caticlan, Aklan because of the abnormal weather.

Just in April this year, another Zest Air plane, formerly Asian Spirit, also experienced the same incident at the Caticlan airport.

Yao said Zest Air’s five MA60 planes were brand-new and the company never used the aircrafts of the old Asian Spirit.

Yao assured that other domestic flights of Zest Air are in normal operation.

Because of the incident, other airline companies canceled their flights to Caticlan on Thursday, while some diverted their passengers to the Kalibo Airport, which is a two-hour drive to Boracay island.

Gokongwei-led Cebu Pacific Air Inc., meanwhile, canceled some of its Caticlan flights because of the Zest Air incident.

As of press time, RG Orense, Cebu Pacific corporate communications manager said the company is still waiting for the advisory from CAAP if they can resume their Caticlan flights Friday.

He said because of what happened, Cebu Pacific had mounted extra flights to Kalibo, Aklan to accommodate affected passengers.

The South East Asian Airlines (SEAIR), meanwhile, diverted some of its 12 Manila-Caticlan-Manila flights after CAAP closed the airport.

Budget airline unit of Philippine Airlines, PAL Express, also canceled its six Manila-Caticlan-Manila flights while mounting extra flights to Kalibo to accommodate their affected passengers.
--Chino S. Leyco, Francis Earl Cueto And Allen Antalan

absinthe_888

June 26th, 2009, 04:27 AM

January -> undershot the runway
June -> overshot the runway

mwg12a

June 26th, 2009, 04:59 AM

That plane sucks, Zest Air should find another aircraft to replace that cheap chinese made turbo prop plane.

If it is really the aircrafts that sucks, why is it that this is constantly happening mostly in the Philippines and with Zest airways. We also have to look at the aircrafts record in general which covers the world's recorded accidents and such involving this same type of aircraft.

Somehow, it may indeed be weather related that caused this misfortune with Zest Airways and it will really hurt them in their effort to show that they are a very competitive and safe airline company.

buknit

June 26th, 2009, 08:23 AM

ZestAir plane overshoots at MPH

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j55/extra_kurt/zestovershoot.jpg

dashalvin

June 26th, 2009, 09:43 AM

ZestAir plane overshoots at MPH

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j55/extra_kurt/zestovershoot.jpg

Sayang ang million pesos sa pagpapaayos sa plane nato. Dapat di na nila punuin ng pasahero ang sa susunod na mga flights ng XianMA60. At least 45 passengers lang para madali lang istop ang plane.

bitoy

June 26th, 2009, 09:46 AM

Zest Air MA60 planes should be equipped with these ... :lol:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fb/E-1B_tailhook.jpg/180px-E-1B_tailhook.jpg

dashalvin

June 26th, 2009, 10:01 AM

Ano yan bitoy, break? Pareho lang ba ng mechanism to decrease the speed ng ìsang turboprop like a jet using reverse thrusts of two engines?

arianespace

June 26th, 2009, 10:04 AM

^^
If it is really the aircrafts that sucks, why is it that this is constantly happening mostly in the Philippines and with Zest airways. We also have to look at the aircrafts record in general which covers the world's recorded accidents and such involving this same type of aircraft.

Somehow, it may indeed be weather related that caused this misfortune with Zest Airways and it will really hurt them in their effort to show that they are a very competitive and safe airline company.

I'm not surprise there are plenty of experts here.

Have anybody here seen even an accident investigation report? Even pilots don't judge a plane by its cover. I think its more appropriate to state here that most aircraft accident are caused by pilot errors and not planes aerodynamics or FAA certification.

Perhaps I should reiterate here that even ATR72 and Q400, with both FAA and EASA ratings are not certified to fly Caticlan airport. Even the smaller Q300 suffer similar restriction. Well, I guess not all forumers knew that. That will make the 3 aircraft type not suited to fly there. The only aircraft well suited is the Dornier of Seair.

But why are airlines allowed to fly when their planes are not even rated to land there? The answer to that question is weight restricted flight, meaning, you can't land or depart with full passenger load otherwise you will be pushing too hard the safety envelopes because in order to do that your landing must be perfect, which means that pilot must watch carefully its descend speed as well as landing from a designated mark which usually are aimed at the threshold marker. You fail that and your safety margin diminishes tremendously.

Violating such cardinal rule will always breed catastrophe.

Haven't you notice why Cebu Pacific flights to Caticlan are always 2/3 full even during holy week? Because it can't land with full capacity.

I hope we are clear here that just because the aircraft is not certified by FAA that it is not safe to fly. Perhaps not everyone understood what FAA certification means. Don't you know that an FAA certified plane cannot fly into Europe without EASA certification. Such certification does not even guarantee an airline with FAA certificate flying in Russia. It goes the same way with China. An FAA certification will not make your plane fly into China. I don't know why forumers here are bothered by such western rhetoric when it all boils down to political supremacy.

For our country, we don't have that bragging right because the only flight we can produce is this

http://www.ghoststudy.com/new9/ghostgem004.jpg