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ngprofflorida

August 6th, 2009, 08:15 PM

World's Top 10 Airports

1. Incheon International Airport
In addition to placing first in the world (up from third place last year), this light-filled airport in Seoul, South Korea also won first in class for cleanliness. It's easy-to-navigate layout (only one terminal) also makes it a favorite among consumers, but what really catapulted this Korean masterpiece to first place are all of the extras—everything from a golf course, casino, and spa, to seven indoor gardens and a museum dedicated to Korean culture that houses a collection of relics covering 5,000 years of Korean history

2. Hong Kong
After seven years on top, Hong Kong must be smarting after losing first place to Incheon. Still, there's nothing painful about layovers at this airport. Like Incheon, it's single-terminal layout makes navigation easy and you won't go hungry here— the airport placed first in class for dining. The design is first-rate with awesome views over Hong Kong and while the city is only 25 minutes away by shuttle, you might not want to leave before exploring what the airport has to offer—you can do everything here from watching a movie, to having your nails done to catching a round of golf or shopping a string of boutiques (Prada, Gucci, Versace) that rivals New York's Fifth Avenue

3. Singapore Changi
Changi in Singapore may not be as futuristic in design or airy and light-filled as the top two winners this year, but what it lacks in outward design, it more than makes up with interior appeal. Not only did the airport place third worldwide, it also topped the "best amenities" list. At Changi, it's not hard to relax before a flight—travelers can nap in one of the napping areas, unwind on an orchid-filled indoor nature trail, get a massage at their spa, catch a movie at their 24-hour theater, or even cool down in the rooftop swimming pool

4. Zurich
Moving up to fourth place from eighth place last year, Zurich also ranked first among all European airports. Sure, Zurich boasts its fair share of between-flight amenities, including an IMAX theater, a planetarium, and a museum which contains over 3,000 objects pertaining to the history of transportation, but it's really their dedication to customer service that has kept them moving up the ranks year over year. Zurich airport ensures that customers are happy and things are running smoothly with a central office that coordinates everything from airline arrivals and baggage to customs and security.

5. Munich
Holding steady at number five year over year, Munich airport is well known for its ease of inter-airport transportation, thanks to its compact layout and the short distances between the gates. It's also a favorite among passengers for its arcades, casinos, internet workstations, and shopping.

ngprofflorida

August 6th, 2009, 08:16 PM

6. Kansai
Kansai may not be the first airport you think of when you think of when you think of Japan, but for those who travel frequently, it's a favorite thanks to its efficient security and immigration checkpoints, not to mention all of the little things that make traveling more comfortable—ubiquitous WiFi, coin-operated showers, play areas for kids, and shopping and dining options galore. It won sixth last year and maintained that position this year.
7. Kuala Lumpur
Falling from fourth place last year to seventh this year, Kuala Lumpur's airport nonetheless continues to delight passengers. Travelers love it first and foremost for the ease of passenger processing here (it won first for immigration services), but it also gets high marks for its airy look and feel, luxury lounges (including dedicated lounges for smokers), play areas for children and abundant restaurants and retail shops. The transportation hub is also conveniently linked to the city via high-speed rail.

8. Amsterdam
For years Amsterdam airport clocked in as Europe's best only to fall off the top ten list altogether last year when it took 11th place worldwide. This year it elbowed its way back into the top ten, as customers gave it high ratings for easy access to the city and effortless navigation thanks to its single-terminal layout. Passengers here also enjoy the comforts of multiple lounges and dining options, a spa, showers, and casinos
9. Centrair Nagoya
Moving up to ninth place from 12th last year, Centrair Nagoya is not only extremely well-known for shopping, it's also one of the most child-friendly airports in the world. Here you'll find nurseries, rental baby carriages, and an entire area that has been roped off for kids. They also have a bathhouse (the perfect way for mom to relax), where you can watch take-offs and landings while simultaneously easing tension in a hot tub.

10. Auckland
Moving up a whopping ten slots from 20 last year to tenth place this year, Auckland airport in New Zealand is worldwide winner for its commitment to the environment and community. The first building in New Zealand to apply for LEED certification, the entire airport was constructed with an eye on conservation. They light the hub via solar panels, harvest rain for air-conditioning cooling towers, and manage energy efficiently via a system of lights that automatically switch off when there is enough natural light to illuminate an area. The air hub is also outfitted with a wide number of shopping and dining opportunities.

boom_box

August 6th, 2009, 08:25 PM

^^ links plss... :)

Rodel

August 6th, 2009, 10:07 PM

Rodel

August 6th, 2009, 10:18 PM

^^walang US airport sa top 10...BKK is not even there (sabagay di naman maganda ang BKK), even dubai is not on the list.

boju2

August 7th, 2009, 02:09 AM

Private group proposes new airport to serve Boracay (http://www.bworldonline.com/BW080709/content.php?id=043)

ILOILO CITY — A private firm is pursuing the construction of a P6-billion airport in an island resort near Boracay Island.

The Aklan-Romblon Properties Corp. (ARPC) is eyeing to put up an airport on Carabao Island in San Jose, Romblon.

ARPC Chairman Delfin Wenceslao, Jr. said the proposed Carabao Island International Airport Project will reduce travel time to Boracay since the airport is just 1.5 nautical miles, or a 10-minute ride by pumpboat, north of Boracay Island.

Mr. Wenceslao said the project is now on the design phase. The firm has already fully acquired 120 hectares for the airport site and the entire area has been fenced in and ready for land preparation.

Mr. Wenceslao said their firm is currently selecting from three duly accredited multinational engineering firms to provide detailed drawings.

"Within 60 to 90 days, the detailed drawings will be submitted to the Department of Transportation and Communications (DoTC) for approval. From there, we expect the international airport to be operational within 24 months," he added.

The municipal council of San Jose, the Romblon provincial board, and the Regional Development Council of Region 4-B (Mimaropa) have all unanimously passed resolutions approving the establishment and operation of an international airport in Carabao Island.

The DoTC’s Air Transportation Office has also granted locational clearance for the project.

Esteban Tajanlangit, Jr., ARPC vice-president, said the Carabao Island airport will ease access to Boracay by eliminating the costly and tedious travel experienced by foreign and domestic tourists going to the island.

Carabao Island has a total land area of some 3,000 hectares of mostly flat terrain. Mr. Tajanlangit, who described Carabao Island as "shaped like an aircraft carrier," said it can become a tourist destination in itself when developed in a way similar to Mactan and Lapu-Lapu Islands in Cebu.

"The place has a natural cove wide enough and deep enough to be ideal for international marina development. The new international airport can make this prospect viable," Mr. Tajanlangit said. — Francis Allan L. Angelo

Sky Harbor

August 7th, 2009, 02:23 AM

^^ Two airports serving Boracay is too much. Expanding Caticlan is more feasible.

mwg12a

August 7th, 2009, 04:58 AM

PR 106/107 - MNL-YVR-LAS-YVR-MNL operates everyday except Mondays and Wednesdays (departing LAS the same day, arriving in MNL two days after its original departure). This flight is flown by an A340-300.

Thanks!!

boom_box

August 7th, 2009, 05:07 AM

Sky Harbor

August 7th, 2009, 05:36 AM

^^ You forgot RPVS.

habagatcentral1

August 7th, 2009, 05:39 AM

^^ http://statics.plurk.com/13b15aa49358be8f47b58552401d7725.gif More options to go home....:lol:

If Iloilo is fully booked, we can go Bacolod or vice versa. If both are full, Roxas, Kalibo, Caticlan and San Jose (if flight resumes) are the remaining options. :colgate:

Sidious

August 7th, 2009, 03:29 PM

Warnings issued about alleged Bangkok airport scam
(philstar.com) Updated August 07, 2009 04:51 PM

BANGKOK (AP) -- Travelers to Thailand have braved a variety of hazards in recent years but foreign governments are now warning about a new and different one: duty-free shopping at the airport.

Several European tourists say they were falsely accused of shoplifting at the Thai capital's main airport and some recount being taken to seedy motels where they were shaken down for thousands of dollars by a shady middleman.

A British couple paid the equivalent of $11,000 to secure their release five days after being accused of stealing a Givenchy wallet that was never found, say police, who along with airport authorities deny any wrongdoing.

The Thai government has vowed a crackdown at Bangkok's scandal-plagued Suvarnabhumi Airport, which has barely recovered from last year's public relations disaster when anti-government protesters shut it for a week and stranded 300,000 visitors.

The airport opened in 2006 and has been dogged by corruption allegations, taxi touts with "broken meters" and baggage thefts — prompting a recent order for luggage handlers to wear uniforms without pockets.

But the allegations of extortion take things to another level.

"We are quite concerned about this," Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Vimon Kidchob said Thursday. "The government of Thailand is doing everything we can to ensure the safety of tourists."

It's hardly the image the self-proclaimed "Land of Smiles" wants to project, particularly as Thailand's vital tourism industry faces its worst crisis in years after political instability, the global financial crisis and swine flu scares.

The scandal has spawned lengthy chatter on travel blogs about other scams to watch for in Thailand and a string of overseas travel advisories on the perils of duty-free shopping in Bangkok.

Ireland is warning its nationals to "be extremely careful" when browsing at Suvarnabhumi (pronounced "sue-WANNA-poom").

"We have received reports that innocent shoppers have been the subject of allegations of suspected theft and threatened that their cases will not be heard for several months unless they plead guilty and pay substantial fines," says an Irish government travel advisory. It tells shoppers to keep receipts to avoid "great distress."

The advice was posted after a 41-year-old Irish scientist, who was visiting for an international genetics symposium, was accused of stealing Bobbi Brown eyeliner June 25. The embassy declined to discuss details of her case.

Britain and Denmark have updated their online travel advice to warn that Suvarnabhumi's sprawling duty-free zone has hard-to-detect demarcation lines between shops and patrons should not carry unpaid merchandise between them.

British couple Stephen Ingram, 49, and Xi Lin, 45, technology experts from Cambridge, took the alleged scam public in late June. Their ordeal was pieced together based on accounts from police, airport and embassy officials and an interview the couple gave to British media.

The couple was approached by airport security before boarding a flight to London on April 25 and told that security cameras showed they had taken a Givenchy wallet.

King Power, the company that owns the duty-free store, has posted CCTV footage on its Web site that appears to show Lin putting her hand in her bag while browsing a wallet display. The security guards found nothing, but turned the couple over to police, said Sombat Dechapanichkul, managing director of King Power Duty Free Co.

"We are not aware of what happened next. It was then the job of the police to proceed with the case," said Sombat.

Ingram told The Sunday Times of London that they were questioned at an airport police office and then transferred to a nearby police station where their passports were confiscated and they spent the night in jail. The next morning they were introduced to a translator — a Sri Lankan named Tony — who said he could arrange bail and get their case dropped, warning it could otherwise drag on for months.

Tony took them to a nearby motel, called the Valentine Resort, Ingram said. The couple managed a visit to the British Embassy on April 27 but then returned to the hotel fearing Tony, who had warned they would be watched, Ingram said. They didn't leave Bangkok until May 1.

An investigation found that the couple transferred into Tony's bank account 400,000 baht ($11,800) — half for bail and the other half for Tony's "fees," said police Col. Teeradej Panurak, who oversaw the case.

"Tony came in to translate for us. We can't control what the accused agree to with a translator," said Teeradej. He said the couple was released because there was not enough evidence to press charges.

A visiting British government official recently raised the case with Thai authorities, and the British Embassy was consulting other embassies about the alleged scam, said embassy spokesman Daniel Painter.

Tony resurfaced in June, when a Danish woman was arrested.

Danish Embassy Consul Tove Wihlbrot-Andersen says the woman was accused of stealing an item worth about 1,500 baht ($45) after she unknowingly crossed from one shop to another. Her allegations mirror those made by the British couple: She was taken to a police station, contacted by Tony the translator, released on bail and then "taken to a bad hotel in the vicinity for almost a week," until she reportedly paid Tony 250,000 baht ($7,400) — for an offense that normally results in a 3,000 baht ($90) fine, the consul said.

Newspapers have published a steady stream of outraged letters-to-the-editor that note the Thai police force's reputation for taking bribes and to call for arrests in the airport scam.

One recent letter in The Nation newspaper came from Mike Gilman in the northern Thai city of Chiang Mai, who lamented the scandal's potential damage: "More nails in the coffin of an already devastated Thai tourism industry."

link: http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=493909&publicationSubCategoryId=200

mwg12a

August 7th, 2009, 04:06 PM

^^ Two airports serving Boracay is too much. Expanding Caticlan is more feasible.

Didnt they just close caticlan? I thought they did after the Zest Air incident. The government or whatever agency is responsible for overseing these should probably just close caticlan and pursue carabao island airport which from my understanding is closer to Boracay than Caticlan. But, if there is a way to upgrade and expand Caticlan, surely by all means, they should do it and sack the other plan because, like what you already mentioned. Two airports for Boracay is just way too much.

@sidious -- That was a scary news about Suvarvammi airport in Bankok. That would definitely turn off alot of tourists. I hope this would not happen in the Philippines AT ALL.

Sky Harbor

August 7th, 2009, 04:21 PM

^^ MPH was restricted to STOL aircraft (the only airline operating STOL aircraft in the Philippines is SEAIR). It is not closed.

mwg12a

August 7th, 2009, 04:26 PM

OH okay. I thought they did close the said airport in Caticlan indefinitely. Thanks .

Rodel

August 8th, 2009, 03:16 AM

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h315/req2000/Airports/100_2605.jpg

ianers_ianized

August 8th, 2009, 07:21 AM

Ianers, i have tried Garuda, both domestic and short-haul regional flights more than a year ago. For me, PAL is much better. But, seeing the new livery and reading about the new A330s, i hope inflight service has improved. Garuda has a code-sharing agreement with PR, which flies daily to CGK. Also 5J flies 3x a week to Jakarta.

I also think so that PR has better than GA but they're also embarking improving their services - AVOD on PTVs n tlga ang labanan. Though late bloomer na ang mga airlines na 'to when it comes to this. I'm that the two are working for improving their inflight services.

I think they over simplified the stylized Garuda bird logo into sharp-edged streaks. The former still stands out as a classic, in my opinion.

I agree. The new one looks unfinished. They should feature more of the Garuda than just its 'feathers.'

I also like the former but the new is modern and smart designing. I love the color blendings that issuited for their new brand. They can still reinvent it by putting the rest of the "Garuda" body extending from the back touching the ground - much like the logos of the other airlines like GF, QR and EK.

boy08

August 8th, 2009, 10:00 AM

http://i67.photobucket.com/albums/h315/req2000/Airports/100_2605.jpg

I Love Boeing 737 talaga! ano na po ba latest sa air phil? mag rebranding ba sila as Pal Express or they will have new AC?

Sky Harbor

August 8th, 2009, 10:57 AM

I also think so that PR has better than GA but they're also embarking improving their services - AVOD on PTVs n tlga ang labanan. Though late bloomer na ang mga airlines na 'to when it comes to this. I'm that the two are working for improving their inflight services.

Garuda, unlike PAL, has a greater incentive for improving other than just merely improving its amenities and services: since it is being courted to join an alliance (SkyTeam, by Korean Air), it should bring its products up to par.

pthfndr19

August 8th, 2009, 11:36 PM

CEB boosts Leyte, Samar traffic with seat sale for as low as P588
Offers daily flights to Calbayog and Catarman

Low fare leader Cebu Pacific (CEB) announces a seat sale to Tacloban, Leyte and Calbayog and Catarman in Samar from August 8 to 11, 2009. Travel period is from September 1 to November 30, 2009.

CEB offers P788 ‘Go Lite’ seats for passengers bound for Tacloban, Calbayog and Catarman from Manila, while those coming from Cebu to Tacloban can avail of P588 ‘Go Lite’ seats.

Passengers with check-in baggage will just add P200 upon booking.

Starting August 16, Cebu Pacific will fly from Manila to Calbayog and Catarman daily, up from three times and four times weekly, respectively. The airline also flies thrice daily from Manila to Tacloban, and daily from Cebu to Tacloban.

“These routes have great market potential because of the local economy and tourism, and CEB is very committed in developing that,” said CEB VP for marketing and distribution Candice Iyog.

She added, “Now, with our flights, people from Biliran and Ormoc in Leyte, and Borongan and Catbalogan in Samar have more options when it comes to affordable and convenient air travel to Manila. Similarly, the natural beauty of Eastern Visayas is more accessible to people from Luzon.”

Iyog encouraged passengers to book their flights through www.cebupacificair.com, the reservations hotlines (02) 7020-888 and (032) 230-8888 or travel agents nearest them.

Cebu Pacific, Asia’s third largest low cost carrier, has the most extensive network in the Visayas, with 20 domestic and 4 international destinations flown from its Cebu hub. This includes direct services from Cebu to Roxas, Siargao, Ozamis, Dumaguete and Cotabato, all utilizing the youngest aircraft fleet in the country.

kiretoce

August 9th, 2009, 02:22 AM

I also like the former but the new is modern and smart designing. I love the color blendings that issuited for their new brand. They can still reinvent it by putting the rest of the "Garuda" body extending from the back touching the ground - much like the logos of the other airlines like GF, QR and EK.

To me, it just makes it bland and generic looking. By not prominently featuring the "Garuda" bird (to which the airline is known for) just makes it blend amongst the other nondescript airline tail liveries out there.

Noize_320

August 9th, 2009, 03:53 AM

yeah....the logo should still be the tail livery....since its sort of an identity of the airline...if i saw that pic without the "Garuda" bird....i would've never recognized that airline..

Mars Uy

August 9th, 2009, 11:14 AM

Daniel Z. Romualdez Airport - Tacloban Airport
The 7th Busiest Airport Outside Metro Manila

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www.panoramio.com

pthfndr19

August 9th, 2009, 09:37 PM

SEAIR adds flights to Caticlan

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abs-cbnNEWS.com | 08/07/2009 11:45 PM

MANILA - In response to increased demand, Southeast Asian Airlines (SEAIR) will add flights to Caticlan town in Aklan province starting this month.

In a statement, SEAIR, the country's premiere leisure airline, said it would increase its Caticlan-bound flights from 18 to 27 a day starting August 14, then to 32 a day beginning October 15.

Currently, SEAIR is the only carrier flying to Caticlan town, the nearest entry point to the famous Boracay Island. PAL Express and Cebu Pacific have diverted their Caticlan-bound flights to Kalibo, citing changes in airport operating conditions.

The Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines (CAAP) has designated Caticlan as a one-way airport, essentially shortening the portion of the runway that could be used. CAAP said the Caticlan facility is likely to re-open for the aircrafts of PAL Express and Cebu Pacific by September this year.

SEAIR said its Dornier 328 and LET L-410 planes operate well on short runways.

"Our aircraft, the DO328 and LET410, are both capable of short take-off and landing. They are aerodynamically designed in a way that it is capable of landing and taking off in about 750 meters with full pay load. These aircraft are the most appropriate for small runways where bigger commercial airplanes cannot land," said Avelino Zapanta, SEAIR president.

Zapanta said their plan to add flights to Caticlan is in line with SEAIR's thrust to contribute to the development of Philippine tourism, especially in Boracay.

SEAIR, the nation's second-oldest airline, has flown almost 3 million passengers to local destinations including El Nido, Puerto Princesa, Tablas (Romblon), Clark, Zamboanga, Jolo, and Tawi-tawi. The airline also offers flights from Boracay to Puerto Princesa and flies 4 times weekly to Basco, Batanes during the Batanes summer (June to August). SEAIR has also reopened its Cebu-Caticlan service.

as of 08/08/2009 12:54 AM

patlite_boy

August 10th, 2009, 01:59 AM

julzandrew

August 10th, 2009, 05:57 AM

wow tabing dagat ang airport sa leyte!

step22

August 10th, 2009, 06:02 AM

NSgzirPOflc
found this about soma. don't know if this has been posted before.
pinakita interior ng dc plane nila, ang cheap ng dating low cost carrier nga...

patlite_boy

August 10th, 2009, 09:20 AM

NSgzirPOflc
found this about soma. don't know if this has been posted before.
pinakita interior ng dc plane nila, ang cheap ng dating low cost carrier nga...

^^yan ang first aircraft nila. after a year na paghihintay dumating din. Notice the excitement of their employees sa video. ^^ nilabas lahat ng ground support equipment just to welcome their first plane

shytype

August 10th, 2009, 01:07 PM

y not develop dis airport and rename it cory aquino international airport

BoNduRanT

August 10th, 2009, 04:08 PM

While browsing my old files recently. I found this image I edited 1-2 years ago.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3/abercromb24/airport.jpg

WawaY[625]

August 10th, 2009, 04:22 PM

whats with the cory airport thing? annoying na sobra andaming taong bawat may sikat na namamatay eh masyadong nagpapadala sa emosyon..name and airport after cory, make cory a saint..arrgh OA na

diehardbisdak

August 10th, 2009, 04:26 PM

...only in Caticlan Airport!

http://filipinovoices.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/1516295.jpg

surprise!
http://filipinovoices.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/1516404.jpg

check out the full write-up...here:

source: http://filipinovoices.com/the-trouble-with-crashing-into-paradise

pthfndr19

August 10th, 2009, 08:34 PM

^^ May pinalitan ng name ng school dun sa BASECO, Manila... Cory Aquino High School.. :cheers:

marlowe_cano

August 10th, 2009, 08:47 PM

^^

from ninoy aquino now we have cory aquino... wag na lng siguro.. xado ng redundant... :)

jogavilz

August 11th, 2009, 10:22 AM

and maybe in the future there will be kris aquino, noynoy, or even baby james airport... okay OT na haha

brownislander

August 11th, 2009, 03:45 PM

The airline is new...Let's watch it grow ;-)

NSgzirPOflc
found this about soma. don't know if this has been posted before.
pinakita interior ng dc plane nila, ang cheap ng dating low cost carrier nga...

Sky Harbor

August 11th, 2009, 06:30 PM

Just a few things from the PEx and A.Net grapevines

PEx:

* PAL will begin serving organic muscovado sugar (not from Antique, but from Sultan Kudarat) with coffee on all international flights
* Air China has applied for three times-weekly service between PEK and MNL, using Boeing 737-800s. If all goes well, this will begin on New Year's Day 2010.

:banana:

A.Net (and this disturbs me; quoted verbatim)

* "At a dinner party in Manila the other day several people were talking about Philippine Airlines being on the market and that the most likely buyer was a Middle Eastern airline. Has anyone heard anything to confirm this?"

:wtf:

pthfndr19

August 11th, 2009, 07:17 PM

^^ OMG!! yung PAL.:ohno:

in_a_rush

August 11th, 2009, 07:31 PM

sana ibang local airline na lang ang bilhin nila tapos bigyan nila ng stiff competition ang international flights ng PAL. para more choices for us!

lochinvar

August 12th, 2009, 01:10 AM

There are lots of places around the world named Colon, not for the intestinal extension but for Columbus.

kalbongdad

August 12th, 2009, 02:39 AM

meron pa bang nangyayari sa project na to.....baka ito na ang pangalanan na cory acuino intl airport....:lol:....mga idea yun ni mar roxas na gusto lang umepal at magpapansin dahil sa ambisyon nyang maging pangulo...Pu$%&%& Ina...sabi pa niya...diba sabi ni ate glue...don't pussyfoot...pussy....and don't say bad words...:lol::lol:

Sky Harbor

August 12th, 2009, 03:34 AM

^^ OMG!! yung PAL.:ohno:

I just realized that constitutional provisions will not allow this to push through (60-40 provisions, plus additional restrictions since technically PAL is a public utility with a congressional franchise). However, word also has it on the A.Net grapevine that PAL is seeking to recapitalize.

manila_eye

August 12th, 2009, 03:40 AM

60-40 is okay if it will catapult to further markets for PAL.

Sky Harbor

August 12th, 2009, 03:45 AM

^^ 60-40 in favor of Filipino companies is not as favorable as people think (40% ownership is no guarantee of profit, and foreign companies will still want full ownership). Filipinos will still call the shots on this one (as mandated by the Constitution), and like the Manila Hotel fiasco, I don't think anyone would want to sell such a precious national treasure (supposedly) to a foreigner.

To quote Article XII, Section 11 of the 1987 Constitution:

Section 11. No franchise, certificate, or any other form of authorization for the operation of a public utility shall be granted except to citizens of the Philippines or to corporations or associations organized under the laws of the Philippines, at least sixty per centum of whose capital is owned by such citizens; nor shall such franchise, certificate, or authorization be exclusive in character or for a longer period than fifty years. Neither shall any such franchise or right be granted except under the condition that it shall be subject to amendment, alteration, or repeal by the Congress when the common good so requires. The State shall encourage equity participation in public utilities by the general public. The participation of foreign investors in the governing body of any public utility enterprise shall be limited to their proportionate share in its capital, and all the executive and managing officers of such corporation or association must be citizens of the Philippines.

Though the Manila Hotel analogy doesn't apply here, I hope you get what I mean.

----

Moving on: according to the PEx grapevine, RP-C7473 will be off for refurbishing on Friday, completing the 747 refurbishment program.

Mojacko

August 12th, 2009, 04:27 AM

Moving on: according to the PEx grapevine, RP-C7473 will be off for refurbishing on Friday, completing the 747 refurbishment program.

ALL RIGHT! So by last quarter this year, all of Philippine Airlines' owned 747-400s (3 -4F6s and 1 -469) will all be refurbished in time for the Christmastime trans-Pacific rush of Balikbayans coming home for Christmas (or Filipinos wishing to spend Christmas in the U.S.)! :cheers:

I myself can't wait to try them the next time I fly to the U.S. - on Mabuhay Business Class Upper Deck! (Unfortunately, I can't guarantee as of now when I will, but if - and only IF I do, I'll post as much as I can about it here on SkyscraperCity.)

Sky Harbor

August 12th, 2009, 05:56 AM

^^ I'm hoping that after the 747s, they finally begin work on the A340s.

Sou-jiro

August 12th, 2009, 06:02 AM

^^ so A343s are next...they should take less time to upgrade....i hope it wont get delayed any further.

hmmm i wonder if the A330s have a change of being upgraded?...most PAL competitors in the region have also upgraded the theyre A330 fleet

seven13

August 12th, 2009, 06:35 AM

I am hoping/wishing for a 744 aircraft for my HK flight on sept 10,

vikramv1

August 12th, 2009, 12:02 PM

Turkish is launching flights to Manila. This looks like a long drawn out strategy to creat yet another hub in Eastern Europe/Mid East to bridge the Asia and North America.

http://worldaviationtoday.co.cc/?p=74

Sky Harbor

August 12th, 2009, 12:15 PM

^^ TK flying IST-MNL was announced here quite a while ago. We're hoping though that TK will come to Manila, someway, somehow.

julzandrew

August 12th, 2009, 02:12 PM

sana yung Sangley ay terminal 4 na lang ng NAIA

spearhead

August 13th, 2009, 03:24 AM

;41066046']whats with the cory airport thing? annoying na sobra andaming taong bawat may sikat na namamatay eh masyadong nagpapadala sa emosyon..name and airport after cory, make cory a saint..arrgh OA na

Ako maiintindihan ko pa kung gusto nilang ingalan ang isang airport o kahit kalye dyan sa isang tingin nilang dakila. Pero ang di ko magets talaga eh yung gagawing santo pa! OA talaga! Ano sila mga kolokoy, gustong santuhin ang isang taong sumusuporta sa komunista? Ang dami kasi ditong di nagbabasa ng biography ng mga aquino! Kaya nga pinakawalan nya si JORED eh obvious ba, dun nalang kait siguro grade 1 student eh mafi-figure out why. Tsk tsk....

While browsing my old files recently. I found this image I edited 1-2 years ago.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c3/abercromb24/airport.jpg

It's fascinating though it seem to be hopeless. Did you just draw it yourself or was it based from some actual renderings? Thank you! :)

Ronskie

August 13th, 2009, 09:12 AM

Ako maiintindihan ko pa kung gusto nilang ingalan ang isang airport o kahit kalye dyan sa isang tingin nilang dakila. Pero ang di ko magets talaga eh yung gagawing santo pa! OA talaga! Ano sila mga kolokoy, gustong santuhin ang isang taong sumusuporta sa komunista? Ang dami kasi ditong di nagbabasa ng biography ng mga aquino! Kaya nga pinakawalan nya si JORED eh obvious ba, dun nalang kait siguro grade 1 student eh mafi-figure out why. Tsk tsk....

It's fascinating though it seem to be hopeless. Did you just draw it yourself or was it based from some actual renderings? Thank you! :)

ano ba nangyayari sa pilipinas??..the way people act and decide things, dun pa lng makikita mo wala tlga pag asa umunland ang pilipinas...mas pinagaaksayahan ng panahon ang mga walang kwenta bagay. isipin nila dpat kung pano madedevelop yun airport at kung pano papaunlarin ang pilipinas. hndi yun inuuna pa pangalan nun airport eh hndi nga magawa gawa. kahit ipangalan pa ki Cory yun buong Pilipinas wala ako pakialam basta makita lng natin umaasenso ang Pilipinas. masyado pinaiiral ang emosyon hndi yun utak hayzzz (highblood) :ohno::ohno:

Sky Harbor

August 13th, 2009, 03:37 PM

DOT hails newly opened UK-RP air pact (http://balita.ph/2009/08/11/dot-hails-newly-opened-uk-rp-air-pact/)
August 11, 2009 10:04 pm

By Lynda B. Valencia

MANILA, Aug. 12 — The Department of Tourism (DOT) lauds the newly amended air pact which allows seven flights per week on a B747 aircraft, accommodating more than 500 passengers, between Manila to points in the United Kingdom (UK) which include London, Heathrow, Gatwick and Stanstead.

DOT Secretary Joseph 'Ace' Durano, said “We support the Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB) in their move to improve the air agreement between the country and the UK. Identifying these key destinations is a clear indicator of the strength of our market in these regions.”

The European market, tagged as one of the high-spending tourism segments, is targeted for its preference of adventure tourism which includes aquatic activities such as kayaking, scuba diving, board sports, surfing and white water rafting; and land adventures such as mountain biking, rock climbing, cave exploration and trekking, Durano said.

“In addition to aggressive promotion of our products, we are continuously developing new tourism ventures, such as birdwatching, for this major segment,” he added.

On the other hand, Undersecretary for Tourism Planning and Promotions Eduardo Jarque, Jr., said “The air pact amendment is very timely as well, since we have more leisure travelers beginning August when summer season in Europe starts."

In light of the new agreement, Jarque also said, “Some of our domestic airlines have already expressed their desire to open flights in the United Kingdom.”

At present, Philippine Airlines (PAL) has conveyed plans to launch direct flights to UK, according to a source from the CAB.

Part of the agreement is the inclusion of fifth-freedom rights, which means that aircrafts can pick up passengers in a third country before proceeding to its destination.

Since the beginning of the year, CAB has held several air bilateral negotiations with the following destinations Spain, Singapore, Brunei, Australia, Kuwait, United Arab Emirates and Qatar.(PNA) LDV/LBV

spearhead

August 13th, 2009, 04:01 PM

ano ba nangyayari sa pilipinas??..the way people act and decide things, dun pa lng makikita mo wala tlga pag asa umunland ang pilipinas...mas pinagaaksayahan ng panahon ang mga walang kwenta bagay. isipin nila dpat kung pano madedevelop yun airport at kung pano papaunlarin ang pilipinas. hndi yun inuuna pa pangalan nun airport eh hndi nga magawa gawa. kahit ipangalan pa ki Cory yun buong Pilipinas wala ako pakialam basta makita lng natin umaasenso ang Pilipinas. masyado pinaiiral ang emosyon hndi yun utak hayzzz (highblood) :ohno::ohno:

Kung hindi magagawan ito ng gobyerno ng mga masmaiging paraan para mabawasan ang mga unfortunate pinoys, mas dadami pa yung mga uneducated pinoys sa susunod na generasyon, sila yung mga batang squatters na lumalaki sa riles, kalye "street children" & "squigee kids", tabing ilog, at relocation areas ngayon...

ianers_ianized

August 13th, 2009, 04:58 PM

^^ I just hope UK airlines like VS and BMI would grab the opportunity since look like BA has no plan of action in the near future.

Just a few things from the PEx and A.Net grapevines

PEx:

* PAL will begin serving organic muscovado sugar (not from Antique, but from Sultan Kudarat) with coffee on all international flights
* Air China has applied for three times-weekly service between PEK and MNL, using Boeing 737-800s. If all goes well, this will begin on New Year's Day 2010.

:banana:

A.Net (and this disturbs me; quoted verbatim)

* "At a dinner party in Manila the other day several people were talking about Philippine Airlines being on the market and that the most likely buyer was a Middle Eastern airline. Has anyone heard anything to confirm this?"

:wtf:

Finally, Air China has plans at last for MNL. I thought their not considering flying here... now there will be a still competition in PEK route along w/ CZ and PR. I hope these materialize and make a it daily flight... Now I'm wondering when NH and MU will start considering MNL.

Regarding PAL, is this true.... maybe since PAL is declaring a loss bec. of the recession this year. This is not far from happening.

ianers_ianized

August 13th, 2009, 05:04 PM

y not develop dis airport and rename it cory aquino international airport

hello?! cory wasn't even a significant figure in my hometown so please... better called it part of MNL airport name since its proximity to Manila if there are plans to develop it.

davaob4now

August 13th, 2009, 05:42 PM

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b4/Spirit_of_Manila_Airlines_MD-83.JPG/800px-Spirit_of_Manila_Airlines_MD-83.JPG
SPIRIT OF MANILA AIRLINES:)

Sky Harbor

August 13th, 2009, 05:49 PM

^^ I just hope UK airlines like VS and BMI would grab the opportunity since look like BA has no plan of action in the near future.

I seriously doubt Virgin Atlantic would start service to Manila. BMI on the other hand doesn't even serve this part of the world (they don't have the planes for it). PAL serving this route should be enough for now, and let's see where they would go from there.

Finally, Air China has plans at last for MNL. I thought their not considering flying here... now there will be a still competition in PEK route along w/ CZ and PR. I hope these materialize and make a it daily flight... Now I'm wondering when NH and MU will start considering MNL.

If I'm not mistaken, MNL-PEK on CZ is through XMN. PAL is the only airline so far to offer non-stop service.

MU can easily break a PAL monopoly, but NH commencing service to NRT is a completely different story. Heck, they don't even have a general sales agent here in Manila.

Regarding PAL, is this true.... maybe since PAL is declaring a loss bec. of the recession this year. This is not far from happening.

One year worth of losses shouldn't be that bad. It certainly isn't as bad as the P8.08 billion PAL lost in 1997.

Sou-jiro

August 14th, 2009, 02:37 AM

^^
i think the best BMI has is A330-200s..not really thats practical for any UK to PI flights...they'd need atleast A340 or any 777ers..there's certainly market potential though.

Ronskie

August 14th, 2009, 06:40 AM

Kung hindi magagawan ito ng gobyerno ng mga masmaiging paraan para mabawasan ang mga unfortunate pinoys, mas dadami pa yung mga uneducated pinoys sa susunod na generasyon, sila yung mga batang squatters na lumalaki sa riles, kalye "street children" & "squigee kids", tabing ilog, at relocation areas ngayon...

I observed also bad influence din ang mga media and tv station dyan sa pinas. wala na ibang matino pinapalabas. Puro na lng wowoweee ska mga telenovela na wlang katuturan panoorin. Wowowee pa lng puro na lng mga kabobohan pinapalabas para lng mapagtawanan. And the sad thing is tinatangkilik nman ng mga Pilipino so pati mga kabataan mga kabobohan din natutunan sa mga palabas sa TV.
Unlike here in Singapore, 95% na pinapalabas dito kahit saan sulok, bus, stations, hawkers or carenderia dito puro business news, stocks, at yun may mga katuturan like how to cook, travel and leisure kya nman lagong lago ekonomiya nila.

sairoangel

August 14th, 2009, 07:29 AM

SPIRIT OF MANILA AIRLINES:)
???
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=918906&page=8

kiretoce

August 14th, 2009, 09:37 PM

Wala lang....

It was reported in the news last night on TV that the FAA and Homeland Security departments have asked that local airport security officers here in the US will now have ask each passenger at the security checkpoints their birthdate and gender as part of the processing procedure. I can understand the birthdate, but asking the gender? Can't they tell just by looking that a man is a man, and woman is a woman? Of course, with the exception that of a transexual/transgender passenger. :nuts:

Fraulein

August 15th, 2009, 03:23 AM

PAL to Introduce Europe flight by 2010
Eyes London next Summer

London- Philippine Airlines (PR Holdings, PSE) has filed with the UK's Department for Transport (DfT) an application for an operating permit to fly regular scheduled flight between London Heathrow Airport and Manila International Airport, Dft said over the weekend.

The airline which last flown in 1998 is returning to Heathrow on the same weekly frequency it previously operates almost 12 years ago. The application states that the airline will fly using the Boeing 777-300ERs' on the route on a thrice a week service initially commencing summer of next year says International Aviation and Safety Division (IASD) of DfT. No further information was disclosed.

Airport Co-ordination Ltd. (ACL) which also received PAL's application for airport slot categorise its status as "new entrant" says Peter Morrisroe, Managing Director of Airport Coordination. He further confirmed that the time schedule for the airline has not been fixed yet as its requested landing and take off slots at London Heathrow is still being evaluated by ACL. Its docking point was however confirmed at Terminal 3. Request for additional information was denied.

Financial services firm Deloitte & Touche valued a peak-time Heathrow slot at an all-time high of £25 million in 2008 but the recession forced the numbers to settle around £10-15 million in 2009.

ACL is the regulatory authority responsible for slot allocation and schedule facilitation at Europe's busiest airport. According to ACL, an airport slot is the scheduled time of arrival or departure available or allocated to an aircraft movement on a specified date at an airport as allocated by them.

The United Kingdom and the Philippines recently amended its Air Service Agreement in July 9, 2009 expanding the frequency to 14 flights per week between the two countries, inclusive of daily flights between the two capitals.

Virgin Atlantic does not fly to Manila while British Airways ceased flight operations in 2000. There is no indication that the two British carriers will fly the route in the immediate future thereby making Philippine Airlines as the only operator for the route.

There are more than 200,000 registered Filipino migrants in Britain in 2008 based on the figures released by the Home Office.

Source: http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/2009/08/pal-to-introduce-europe-flight-by-2010.html

Sky Harbor

August 15th, 2009, 03:27 AM

^^ If I'm not mistaken, that's Arianespace's blog (I think), where people from PEx (save for a few) do not take it seriously. But if PAL does commence service to London, that would be great! :okay:

Anyway, for something a bit more credible:

According to what I saw on Wikipedia, and what I have verified on their website, Zest Airways will be starting daily flights between Manila and Clark on September 21 using, out of all planes, A320s. The flight leaves Manila at 2:25 pm and arrives at 2:55 pm, while the return flight departs at 9:25 pm and arrives at 9:55 pm. This means that the rotation of the plane will be MNL-CRK-HKG-CRK-MNL, since Hong Kong starts on the same day.

The cost of a roundtrip ticket (and this is still available now): P700. I'm thinking now of a little spotting (and exploring Clark) since tickets are this cheap. Tentative date is September 26.

Fraulein

August 15th, 2009, 04:03 AM

Afriqiyah Airways Receives Airbus A330, Moves Ahead Into High Skies in Aviation World
14/08/2009 20:10:00

Photo: Captain Sabri Shadi in his opening speech during the ceremony

Afriqiyah Airways' long awaited delivery of Airbus A330 took place last week. The handing over ceremony of the aircraft from the Airbus officials to Afriqiyah Airways was held at the premises of Maitiga Airport. Libyan and Airbus officials attended the ceremony.

In his opening speech during the ceremony, Captain Sabri Shadi, the CEO of the Libyan-African Aviation Holding Company attributed the successful delivery of the airbus A330 to the Libyan banks for their courageous financial support in buying the contracted twenty three aircraft. He said by doing so, the Libyan banks have entered the era of financing strategic projects in Libya, a venture that the government banks didn't undertake before.

Afriqiyah Airways considers the delivery of Airbus A330 as a major step forward not only to the company's operation of long haul routes but also to the history of Libya's aviation since it is the first aircraft of its kind to be delivered in Libya.

"This is the first kind of this aircraft to be delivered to Afriqiyah Airways. We ordered three of them and we will receive the second one end of September and the third one end of October. We will also receive other three A319, smaller than the A330 on the18th of August," said Eng. Rammah Ettir, the CEO of Afriqiyah Airways.

"This new aircraft will place Afriqiyah Airways in the global market of aviation. We want to come out of short medium range, small airline operation. We definitely look forward to operate long haul flights as a pioneer airline and else a class beyond.

The same thing we offer in the economy class can only be found in the business class of other airlines and the same thing we provide in the business class, can only be found in the first class of other airlines," said Mr. Muhammed ElMeshkhi Afriqiyah's Director of the Public and International Relations Department.

The new Airbus A330 has a capacity of 230 passengers, thirty in the business class and the remaining two hundred in the economy class with more cargo capacity. The aircraft also can fly 6000 nautical miles and has with it stretcher facilities for the sick ones and special toilets for people with disabilities.

"This is a long range aircraft, wide body with very luxurious two cabins, one for the business class, very comfortable, high end very close to the first class where the seats can be fully extended to a bed of 180 degrees, with separate reading lights, separate electrical power supply for PC, separate 12.1 TV screen where you can watch your own selection of video games and program," explained Eng. Rammah Ettir and added, "The economy class is also a very relaxed.

It is a 32 inch each between seats, fully reclinable to 8 inch, each with 9.6 inch screen."

Eng. Ettir also revealed that, the new aircraft will start its operations in a week's time after concluding the official formalities with the Civil Aviation Authority.

The first six weeks the aircraft will start with short routes like London, Paris, Lagos and Accra. Then on the 19th of September, the aircraft will begin operating long haul routes among them Johannesburg, Manila, Pekin and Dakar.

"We will start with two flights in a week to Johannesburg, and we will increase if there is a market demand. But definitely South Africa will be connected through Tripoli to Europe, Middle East and south East Asia and this will decrease some fatigue and long time spending while waiting for flights," confirmed ElMeshkhi to the Tripoli Post.

Afriqiyah Airways is also improving its cabin services with new menus, new programs, new faces of the crew members who have gone through a rigorous training in order to bringing their standards to the required level. All these efforts are geared at satisfying the customers' needs.

Considering Libya's strategic location, many airline stakeholders look forward to the prospects of Libya's aviation with the finishing of the new Tripoli International Airport come the year 2010.

"Tripoli as a hub, is doing a phenomenon growth and with the opening of the new terminal that will give the capability of 20 million people terminal bear that will give the capacity for Libya to develop as an international hub, basically taking passengers from all around Africa and then sending them to Europe, Middle East, Asia.

So there is a lot of potential for development. There are a lot of potential for airlines to develop their markets here and so we see Afriqiyah is on the right track," remarked Francois Cognard, Vice President Sales-North Africa, Airbus Middle East.

Cognard also hailed a good business relationship that prevails between Afriqiyah Airways and the Airbus Company.

Afriqiyah Airways, a Libyan airline established in 2001 designed to link Africa with regional and long haul routes and connecting Africa with Europe, the Middle East and Asia, does not only aim to expand but also to provide its best available services to an increasing number of customers.

Story by Aboubakar Famau
Source: http://tripolipost.com/articledetail.asp?c=2&i=3474

Ph Man

August 15th, 2009, 04:46 AM

mwg12a

August 15th, 2009, 07:19 AM

Iba siguro kase ang outlook sa buhay ng mga pinoy, mas easy going kasi ang mga pinoy, simple at madaling makuntento sa konting ginhawa. Not necessarily bad but somehow it is not bad to aim high or atleast use that higher goal as a tool for their motivations to get stimulated even further.

Fraulein

August 15th, 2009, 07:36 AM

Magiging kelangan din ng Pilipinas ang Sangley in the near future. Aside from Clark and Subic.^^

dexter06

August 15th, 2009, 10:17 AM

mambo

August 15th, 2009, 10:24 AM

Palace: Jet purchase to ensure President's safety
MARK D. MERUEÑAS, GMANews.TV
08/14/2009 | 03:14 PM
Malacañang justified its planned purchase of a used jet, saying future Philippine Presidents should be “thankful" to the Arroyo administration “for ensuring a safe, reliable, and efficient air transport."

The planned purchase is also expected to spare the future President from undergoing “the same fate [of] President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo who risks her life and limb by using chartered civilian aircraft in performing her duties," the Office of the President said in a statement.

The statement was released after GMANews.TV reported and quoted a newspaper advertisement indicating that the Office of the President (OP) was looking to buy a used jet worth P1.2 billion.

Placed in the Philippine Star, the ad came out on Thursday, just as the President and her entourage remain under fire for having expensive dinners in New York City and Washington, DC.

The ad invited suppliers to bid for a used executive jet since one of two presidential aircraft – the 50-year old F-27 – is undergoing a maintenance check, the Office of the President said in a statement.

With only one aircraft available – a 29-year-old F-28 – the OP is still forced to charter civilian aircraft to address airlift requirements of the Philippines’ chief executive.

Besides being considered very costly, renting aircraft for presidential transport also poses “high security risks."

In turn, these risks may compromise “the life and limb of the President, members of her official and immediate family, the PAW [Presidential Airlift Wing] pilots, and the Presidential Security Guards accompanying her," the statement said.

“The PAW is not fully cognizant of the maintenance and operational procedures and practices being followed by the operators of the chartered civilian aircraft," the statement added.

Using a civilian aircraft also renders PAW pilots as mere co-pilots. "[And] in the past, there had been lapses on the part of civilian pilots."

The Palace assured that the new aircraft would be able to provide better security for the President and the people going along her, since the jet is equipped with an avionics system able to detect weather, terrain, and traffic factors among others.

"It is but fitting and proper that whosoever is the sitting President should be afforded proper amenities befitting his/her position as Head of the State," the Palace said.

The jet will benefit “will benefit more the next President and the Presidents after him/her" since Mrs. Arroyo is expected to leave her post in mid-2009 anyway.

The aircraft must be “factory new, twin-engine (turbo-fan engines), pressurized, fitted with auxiliary power unit, and with VIP cabin configuration," said an advertisement.

“The type of aircraft to be offered should have been used as a VIP/Executive aircraft by the country of origin and by at least two countries," the ad continued.

The ad was signed by a certain attorney Lynn Danao-Moreno, an assistant executive secretary and chairperson of the bids and awards committee of the Office of the President. - GMANews.TV

ano ba talaga factory new or used aricraft at tsaka 1.2 biillion pesos roughly 20m usd would buy you a lear jet

julzandrew

August 15th, 2009, 10:39 AM

OK... the President travels in comfort while millions of Filipinos can't find anything to eat. tsk tsk

ianers_ianized

August 15th, 2009, 10:53 AM

I seriously doubt Virgin Atlantic would start service to Manila. BMI on the other hand doesn't even serve this part of the world (they don't have the planes for it). PAL serving this route should be enough for now, and let's see where they would go from there.

If I'm not mistaken, MNL-PEK on CZ is through XMN. PAL is the only airline so far to offer non-stop service.

MU can easily break a PAL monopoly, but NH commencing service to NRT is a completely different story. Heck, they don't even have a general sales agent here in Manila.

I hope MU will try to explore the MNL route. It is base in PVG right?
I think CZ has 2x a week direct flight to PEK frm MNL.

On other note...
Air Asia will fly here in Sept. Is it also different from Indonesia Air Asia that will also launch flight here in September? Both have different IATA code. So the will be 2 Air Asia plane operations here by September?
There are rumors (frm unreliable source) that Air Asia will operate at T3, thus, T3 will ultimately a low-cost terminal for the meantime.

How about Al Afriquiya? Any news on this?

julzandrew

August 15th, 2009, 10:54 AM

i agree

REDcrazy

August 15th, 2009, 11:00 AM

Sky Harbor

August 15th, 2009, 11:37 AM

I hope MU will try to explore the MNL route. It is base in PVG right?
I think CZ has 2x a week direct flight to PEK frm MNL.

Yes, MU's home base is PVG.

On other note...
Air Asia will fly here in Sept. Is it also different from Indonesia Air Asia that will also launch flight here in September? Both have different IATA code. So the will be 2 Air Asia plane operations here by September?
There are rumors (frm unreliable source) that Air Asia will operate at T3, thus, T3 will ultimately a low-cost terminal for the meantime.

How about Al Afriquiya? Any news on this?

Unless Thai AirAsia is starting flights, does this mean that AirAsia's moving to MNL from CRK? If it does, then that means AK will be directly competing against 5J. Indonesia AirAsia, on the other hand, was very ambiguous.

Read up for Afriqiyah Airways.

Wind Shear

August 15th, 2009, 12:36 PM

Not to be insensitive to the current issues but isn't $25M (P1.2 Billion) a bit small for a presidential jet. Maybe they're looking for a business-type jet lang.

Yes. It's just a small business jet like Cessna Citation CJX and Lear 45. Not the big VC-25 they are expecting, not even close to A320. :)

Sky Harbor

August 15th, 2009, 01:55 PM

Tried booking and it's indeed P700.

I dunno if it's the better alternative to land travel.

I checked the Zest fare table and it says that MNL-CRK is P350 (one-way) in all fare classes. In that case, it can seriously compete against bus lines plying the route. The timing though is a completely different story.

seven13

August 15th, 2009, 02:04 PM

Mu is China eastern right??

Sky Harbor

August 15th, 2009, 02:13 PM

^^ Yes, it is.

Now I'm reminded of the "That's not an MU. That's a China Eastern A340-600." post in the previous thread. :lol:

seven13

August 15th, 2009, 02:18 PM

haha!^^
Just clarifying

Gulf Coast

August 15th, 2009, 02:59 PM

PAL will fly to Pagadian soon utilizing a319:)

Sky Harbor

August 15th, 2009, 03:02 PM

^^ When, and where did you hear this?

Gulf Coast

August 15th, 2009, 03:04 PM

^^ When, and where did you hear this?

how do you send a PM? haha
ill tell you

frequentflier

August 15th, 2009, 03:05 PM

is it true that PAL wil fly to LHR next year using 773?

Sky Harbor

August 15th, 2009, 03:13 PM

how do you send a PM? haha
ill tell you

Click on the name of the user. A menu will pop out. Select "Send a private message to (user)".

is it true that PAL wil fly to LHR next year using 773?

Well, I hope they do. :okay:

Gulf Coast

August 15th, 2009, 03:51 PM

Click on the name of the user. A menu will pop out. Select "Send a private message to (user)".

sent:) thank you

Well, I hope they do. :okay:

i also hope so... many possibilities actually:)
PAL might revisit Abu Dhabi soon but might discontinue some destinations also.
well i really hope not:(

seven13

August 15th, 2009, 04:06 PM

i also hope so... many possibilities actually:)
PAL might revisit Abu Dhabi soon but might discontinue some destinations also.
well i really hope not:(

care to share which route(s) may be terminated??

Sky Harbor

August 15th, 2009, 04:28 PM

^^ I'm hinting at either FUK, PUS or SIN-CGK.

seven13

August 15th, 2009, 04:34 PM

^^ the first thing that came to my mind was PEK, PUS is may be on the list. I don't think sin-cgk is a candidate since there's a lot of cargo on that route isn't it? Maybe mnl-cgk though these are just mere assumptions

Gulf Coast

August 15th, 2009, 05:04 PM

nothing official really so wont give further details:)
but domestic flights has a way better pax load than that of the international flights...
anyway got to go:)
cheers! :D

dexter06

August 15th, 2009, 08:07 PM

^^ I'm hinting at either FUK, PUS or SIN-CGK.

I believe SIN-CGK has good loads. There is a market for CGK.

kiretoce

August 15th, 2009, 08:16 PM

^^ They do. Catering mostly to the numerous Indonesian nationals living in the Philippines, since GA doesn't fly to the Philippines, their only options are PR and SQ, maybe even MH.

dexter06

August 15th, 2009, 08:29 PM

Yes Kiretoce, also a lot of Filipino professionals and NGO personnel frequent Indonesia, plus, some of our multinationals have a presence in Indonesia, SMC and Gokongwei's companies to name a few.

Sky Harbor

August 16th, 2009, 04:08 AM

I believe SIN-CGK has good loads. There is a market for CGK.

^^ They do. Catering mostly to the numerous Indonesian nationals living in the Philippines, since GA doesn't fly to the Philippines, their only options are PR and SQ, maybe even MH.

It kind of negates the need then for MNL-CGK. Can someone compare the LF between MNL-SIN-CGK and MNL-CGK?

seven13

August 16th, 2009, 05:55 AM

^^ maybe because since there is demand for cgk, that's why there is mnl-cgk direct service to compliment the existing 4x a week service via sin to make it daily

kiretoce

August 16th, 2009, 07:32 AM

It kind of negates the need then for MNL-CGK. Can someone compare the LF between MNL-SIN-CGK and MNL-CGK?

Routing the flight via SIN is a cash cow for PR because SIN is a major travel hub in SEA that connects to the rest of the world, that's where the bulk of the competition is. It only makes good business sense for PR rather than offering nonstop flights between second-tier cities (Manila and Jakarta) within the region.

Sky Harbor

August 16th, 2009, 08:02 AM

^^ It kind of doesn't answer the point of the statement. So if MNL-SIN-CGK was profitable, why did PAL launch non-stop flights between Manila and Jakarta? If they really wanted it to be daily, they could have just extended some of the other MNL-SIN flights to CGK, instead of having to make it non-stop and connecting on alternating days of the week.

seven13

August 16th, 2009, 08:07 AM

because of fifth freedom rights?? Tama ba na fifth freedom rights yung pwede mapick up ng passengers sa second country towards the final destination??

Sky Harbor

August 16th, 2009, 08:10 AM

^^ MNL-SIN-CGK is fifth freedom, alongside lucrative cargo traffic. But still: if PAL wanted to take advantage of its fifth-freedom rights out of SIN, they could have just made MNL-SIN-CGK daily than having MNL-SIN-CGK four times weekly and MNL-CGK three times weekly.

frequentflier

August 16th, 2009, 08:13 AM

maybe the demand is not that high for it to have daily service or maybe that's all the entitlement that they have

kiretoce

August 16th, 2009, 08:17 AM

MNL-SIN-CGK is fifth freedom, alongside lucrative cargo traffic. But still: if PAL wanted to take advantage of its fifth-freedom rights out of SIN, they could have just made MNL-SIN-CGK daily than having MNL-SIN-CGK four times weekly and MNL-CGK three times weekly.

You also have to think of airport landing slots, crew scheduling, and fleet utilization, those factors come into play as well.

Sky Harbor

August 16th, 2009, 08:24 AM

^^ If I'm not mistaken, it's the mid-afternoon flight (PR 507/508), using A330s, that is the onward flight to CGK. MNL-CGK on the other hand uses A320s. All of this makes me wonder.

pi_malejana

August 16th, 2009, 08:58 AM

wala lang...

PGMA cancelled the plan to purchase a private jet... bakit naman?!?!?!:D

le Reine

August 16th, 2009, 09:10 AM

^^kasi nagalit ako. :lol: joke! Hindi siguro majustify because of that dinner brouhaha. :lol:

part timer

August 16th, 2009, 09:16 AM

looking for a more related thread but I can't find one so dito na lang. saw this sa online copy ng Manila Bulletin.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g38/jglaz/carabaoisland.jpg

http://mb.com.ph

ianers_ianized

August 16th, 2009, 09:19 AM

wala lang...

PGMA cancelled the plan to purchase a private jet... bakit naman?!?!?!:D

^^ dpat lng mhya nman sya.. dmi na nga nyang issue ngyon dadag pa 'to eh di lalong mgmamaasim ang taong bayan sa kanya.

dashalvin

August 16th, 2009, 11:17 AM

May plano ba ang PAL na iphase-out ang A340? Maganda kasing replacement dyan ang plane na ito, mas fuel-efficient.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a9/A350xwb.jpg

julzandrew

August 16th, 2009, 11:32 AM

wow bravo carabao island!!

Sou-jiro

August 16th, 2009, 12:15 PM

May plano ba ang PAL na iphase-out ang A340? Maganda kasing replacement dyan ang plane na ito, mas fuel-efficient.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a9/A350xwb.jpg

not any time soon...they wouldn't invest on Upgrading the 747s and A340s if that's the case

regardless the A340s and A330 have many more (maybe 5 to 6yrs) ahead of them.:cheers:

...to your question though they are leaning more towards A350 than 787s but really this is to early so say the A350 is long way away..plus project delays which is normal nowadays...just look at the 787..

dashalvin

August 16th, 2009, 12:27 PM

So the A340s are for refurbishment?

Sky Harbor

August 16th, 2009, 12:58 PM

looking for a more related thread but I can't find one so dito na lang. saw this sa online copy ng Manila Bulletin.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g38/jglaz/carabaoisland.jpg

http://mb.com.ph

Caticlan is already being expanded. Do people not see the redundancy being generated by this airport? Boracay is too small of a market to warrant two airports, so if this one pushes through, then Caticlan has to close.

OceanBreezeInn

August 16th, 2009, 01:42 PM

Kalibo airport terminal nearly completed

The P48-million passenger terminal at the Kalibo International Airport is almost 92 percent completed, according to Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines (CAAP) airport manager Engr. Percy Malonesio.
Malonesio said the Kalibo International Airport, a priority infrastructure project of President Gloria Macapagal Arroyo, will feature a new passenger terminal building to handle more passengers from the neighboring countries.
"The terminal building would be completed by October this year. With the entry of chartered flights from mainland China for the famed Boracay Island, we are confident the terminal building could offer travelers the latest in airport amenities and most likely to boost the tourism in Aklan," he said over Bombo Radyo Kalibo.
Malonesio said Shanghai - Kalibo via Shanghai Airlines and Hangzou-Kalibo via Philippine Airlines have twice chartered flights weekly, making this island destination of Boracay the most-favored tourist spots among the beach-bound Chinese tourists.
Other regional airlines serving the airport are Mandarin Airlines, Korea Air, China Eastern Airlines, TranAsia Airways and local airlines of Cebu Pacific, Zest Airways, PAL Express and flag carrier Philippine Airlines.
Last year, the Kalibo International Airport handled 400,042 passengers with 4,706 aircraft movements, owing to the increasing direct chartered flights and passengers from Incheon, South Korea and Taipei, Taiwan.
Under Department Order No. 2008-06 signed by Department of Transportation and Communications (DOTC) Secretary Leandro Mendoza, the Kalibo airport in Barangay Pook was reclassified as international airport or an airport with border control facility used for international flights.
Caticlan Airport (Godofredo P. Ramos Airport), the nearest airport from Boracay Island, was classified as Principal Class 2 airport used for prop aircraft of jet smaller than B737, A320 or DC9.
Malonesio said the old terminal building will be renovated by the national government to cater to domestic and international passengers once the P48-million new terminal building is completed.
To adopt the Kalibo International Airport to international standards, the national government also budgeted more funds for the installation instrument landing system including runway and taxiway lights, asphalt overlay of runway, expansion of apron and construction of drainage canal, extension of runway construction, asphalting of turn-around pad and improvement of existing terminal building and fire station building.

Source: http://www.aklanforum.blogspot.com/

Sky Harbor

August 16th, 2009, 01:51 PM

^^ With all of this talk over the "Kalibo International Airport", I may as well rename the relevant Wikipedia article. Puerto Princesa, though in the same predicament as Kalibo, does not have that momentum just yet.

dexter06

August 16th, 2009, 02:53 PM

^^ If I'm not mistaken, it's the mid-afternoon flight (PR 507/508), using A330s, that is the onward flight to CGK. MNL-CGK on the other hand uses A320s. All of this makes me wonder.

It is usually the widebodies used for MNL-SIN-CGK & VV because there are passengers from both cities going to Manila. If i am not mistaken, PAL's direct MNL-CGK flight was introduced in late 2007 to compete with CP serving MNL-CGK, MWF. The schedule of PR's MNL-SIN-CGK requires the passenger to leave MNL in the morning and arrive CGK near 2PM. CEB's schedule leaves MNL 20:55 while the turnaround is 12:30AM and arrives MNL 5:30AM. For a business traveller, CEB's schedule is very convenient. I have had colleagues changing their itineraries to CEB because they are able to do work during the day and fly at night. PAL's direct MNL-CGK is every T,F,Su night returning W,S,M early morning while CEB's is MWF night returning T,Th,S early morning. Taking PR via Singapore requires you 1 day travel. More than half of SIN-CGK-SIN passengers are Indonesians and Jakarta based expats. Besides SIN-CGK-SIN is a very busy route with almost all European carriers stopping by SIN enroute to CGK and vice versa.

Actually, when PR introduced the direct MNL-CGK flights, i thought it wouldn't last but i am happy to be proven wrong. There is indeed a market between MNL and CGK.

Sky Harbor

August 16th, 2009, 03:03 PM

^^ I stand corrected: the new timetable shows MNL-SIN-CGK as PR 503/504 using A320s. PR 535/536 (MNL-CGK) also uses A320s.

dexter06

August 16th, 2009, 03:15 PM

^^ I stand corrected: the new timetable shows MNL-SIN-CGK as PR 503/504 using A320s. PR 535/536 (MNL-CGK) also uses A320s.

I have the same question also. I am surprised myself since widebodies has been used in MNL-SIN-CGK & vv. The downgrade to A320 was only in 2008 but the frequencies remained. Note that the downgrade also affected SIN. I think it is more of Singapore than CGK.

David-80

August 16th, 2009, 06:31 PM

^^

I was travelling with Pal from SIN to CGK on their business class and dexter is right, 90% of them are Indonesian or expats living in Indonesia from SIN.

I was surprised too they using A320..because the last time i was using A330 and it was really full i tell you that, because they also catered some Indonesian tourist group from HK-Manila packages tours....

maybe because the routes already served by so many airlines, even now, turkish airlines is the latest european airlines to serve this route. not too mention the LCC like Airasia, jetstar, tiger , lion and so on...

btw, the spirit of manila Boeing 737 is now in operation with Batavia air, thats why the airlines is spotted in Juanda'

source: http://www.ch-aviation.ch/aircraft.php?search=set&airline=7P&al_op=1

cheers

kiretoce

August 16th, 2009, 08:44 PM

^^ Hey David! Nice seeing you visit our forum again. Thanks for giving us a non-Filipino perspective. :okay:

David-80

August 16th, 2009, 11:41 PM

^^ Cheers

Friend of mine prefer 5J when he travelled back to cebu from Jakarta, because he got to see the cute stewardess rather than the old auntie serves the CGK-SIN-MNL route. lol

the funny thing is, i had seen a lot of flight report from 5J going to MNL rather than PR to MNL on Indonesian flyer forum... many preferred 5J because of its timetable from jakarta CGK.

Cheers

mwg12a

August 17th, 2009, 12:38 AM

wala lang...

PGMA cancelled the plan to purchase a private jet... bakit naman?!?!?!:D

^^kasi nagalit ako. :lol: joke! Hindi siguro majustify because of that dinner brouhaha. :lol:

Maybe she was afraid all prying eyes would be on her and she has plans of extending her term as president... if she has no plans on a "hocus focus" just to extend her presidency, she should allow a private jet a Philippine president can use in all of their trips instead of using a PAL commercial airliners. An older B767 or a B757 would do just fine. Even an older A300.

mwg12a

August 17th, 2009, 12:48 AM

not any time soon...they wouldn't invest on Upgrading the 747s and A340s if that's the case

regardless the A340s and A330 have many more (maybe 5 to 6yrs) ahead of them.:cheers:

...to your question though they are leaning more towards A350 than 787s but really this is to early so say the A350 is long way away..plus project delays which is normal nowadays...just look at the 787..

I'm surprised that Airbus aircrafts sale isn't affected by these series of airbus crashes recently and that more defects on alot of airbus models are being noticed such as that pitot sensors that is believe to have caused the crash of an Air france and is also being blamed for several incidents which is non fatal or no actual crashes involved as it seems like these sensors can't really pick up the aircraft's airspeed when in a high altitude cruise especially when there is a bad weather. I know it seems like a minor defect that can be resolved but still it can cause the airline owners together with the patrons to be worried when they are operating an airbus.

Sou-jiro

August 17th, 2009, 01:31 AM

I'm surprised that Airbus aircrafts sale isn't affected by these series of airbus crashes recently and that more defects on alot of airbus models are being noticed such as that pitot sensors that is believe to have caused the crash of an Air france and is also being blamed for several incidents which is non fatal or no actual crashes involved as it seems like these sensors can't really pick up the aircraft's airspeed when in a high altitude cruise especially when there is a bad weather. I know it seems like a minor defect that can be resolved but still it can cause the airline owners together with the patrons to be worried when they are operating an airbus.

^^^

me personally...i dont tend to lean towards either Boeing or Airbus. I see them as equal....there are times that incidents and problems are with Boeing then there are times that its all Airbus (like now/recently) .

Funny thing though I think russian Airlines dont gain popularity despite what happens to both Boeing and Airbus :lol: ( hehe...marketing) While i would say they're not on par i dont think they're as bad as the western world views them ..specially russian cargo aircrafts.

last yr there were major incidents din na Airbus...like the QF 747 with emergency in Manila also a week later another QF B767 bound for Manila made another emergency landing due to fuel leaks after take off -ironicaly an official in Manila which was in Sydney to make a report on the QF 747 incident was onboard that 767.

i think the A350 will do just fine they have plenty of time..a bit more than the B787 project.. but i just love 787s design. :)

Sou-jiro

August 17th, 2009, 01:36 AM

So the A340s are for refurbishment?

yes they are....hopefully by end of the Yr..The 747s refurbishment will be finished..

maybe even a few months earlier :)

pi_malejana

August 17th, 2009, 02:22 AM

i'm just wondering, what does the last "L" in RPLL (Manila) mean??:dunno:

Sky Harbor

August 17th, 2009, 03:23 AM

^^ The "LL' in RPLL stands for Luzon (generic first L) and ManiLa. Another way to look at it is ViLLamor.

jpdm

August 17th, 2009, 04:49 AM

Spirit of Manila unveils its new aircraft at Clark

By FRED ROXAS
August 16, 2009, 5:28pm

CLARK FREEPORT, Pampanga – Spirit of Manila Airlines unveiled last Friday its new MD-83 aircraft at the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport (DMIA) here.

Clark International Airport Corp. (CIAC) President and CEO Victor Jose I. Luciano said that more Spirit of Manila airplanes, which include an MD-83, Boeing 747-300, and 747-400 will be arriving in September and November to complete the airline’s fleet in time for its operations in December, this year. The MD-83 aircraft arrived at DMIA last Aug. 1.

The aircraft is expected to fly to Taiwan and Macau and in the Middle East via Qatar, Dubai, Baharain, and Kuwait to serve the transport needs of Overseas Filipino Workers (OFWs), many of them coming from Central and Northern Luzon.

“This will benefit our OFWs working in the Middle East, most of whom are from the Central and Northern Luzon, and will also attract more tourists to visit our country using DMIA,” Luciano said.

Luciano led other officials who included Transportation and Communication Secretary Leandro Mendoza, Spirit of Manila Chairman Basilio Reyes, President and CEO Jimmy Matibag, and Vice President Rene Ocampo, and foreign partner Vice Chairman Hamad Altani in the unveiling event.

Spirit of Manila Airlines is the first large local carrier that will base its operations in Clark, and its airplanes will start flying out of DMIA very soon, he said.

Luciano said the MD-83 aircraft would be used for the Clark-Taiwan flights. “There wiil be no flight between Taiwan and Clark, and this is the right time that we will now have flights to Taiwan.”

“This is the first time, and even former President Fidel Ramos has been proposing Clark-Taiwan flights,” Luciano said.:)

alcogoodwin

August 17th, 2009, 11:51 AM

^^^

me personally...i dont tend to lean towards either Boeing or Airbus. I see them as equal....there are times that incidents and problems are with Boeing then there are times that its all Airbus (like now/recently) .

Funny thing though I think russian Airlines dont gain popularity despite what happens to both Boeing and Airbus :lol: ( hehe...marketing) While i would say they're not on par i dont think they're as bad as the western world views them ..specially russian cargo aircrafts.

last yr there were major incidents din na Airbus...like the QF 747 with emergency in Manila also a week later another QF B767 bound for Manila made another emergency landing due to fuel leaks after take off -ironicaly an official in Manila which was in Sydney to make a report on the QF 747 incident was onboard that 767.

i think the A350 will do just fine they have plenty of time..a bit more than the B787 project.. but i just love 787s design. :)

Perhaps someone can clear up a myth I have heard herre a few times.

Assuming a Boeing or an Airbus looses all engine power, is the Boeing any more glide capable that the Airbus?

Any help appreciated.

Brad

ddes

August 17th, 2009, 12:25 PM

Perhaps someone can clear up a myth I have heard herre a few times.

Assuming a Boeing or an Airbus looses all engine power, is the Boeing any more glide capable that the Airbus?

Any help appreciated.

Brad

It was mentioned on National Geographic's Air Crash Investigation before when they featured that Air Transat plane which lost power out of nowhere.

They said that in general, Airbus planes glide better. I know for a fact that the B777-300ER is very aerodynamically inefficient.

Sou-jiro

August 17th, 2009, 12:49 PM

Perhaps someone can clear up a myth I have heard herre a few times.

Assuming a Boeing or an Airbus looses all engine power, is the Boeing any more glide capable that the Airbus?

Any help appreciated.

Brad

I don't know which one will glide better....personally id prefer A340 over triple777s. In emergency's in transpacific flight its better to have one engines on either side than one on one side and none on the other....

or no engine at all but just gliding..

sure they will all glide..but glide where?...with one engine then its not all over and there's better change for an sucessfull emergency landing...

Honolulu, tahiti, fiji guam etc.....

However im not saying i dont trust Triple 777 ...I mean for economic reasons
i think Triple777 are far more superior thanA340-600 or even 500s good choice and the right one for PAL.

alcogoodwin

August 17th, 2009, 01:13 PM

Thanks for the answers guys, it certainly busts that myth.

Glide to where is probably a good question. One would hope it happened reasonably close to a decent landing area.

Brad

Sou-jiro

August 17th, 2009, 02:28 PM

^^ i have a collection of aviation dvds and on one of them is about a captain who flew on the Emery Worldwide (they did cargo back then) DC8s in his career

basically to sum it up he preferred the older 707s and DC8s rather then there new Airbus & Boeing fly by wire systems are you have more control on an emergency though he says its much more hard work he also says they is more control on each engine rather than fly by wire..were a computer take over...
bu if this fails these aircraft should have back up hydraulic system but its more complicated than that.

(well that's what the captain say :D)

off topic
it seems DC8s are better for cargo as they re easier for re-engining
while the B707 are better for military use....ther are still a number of 707 active in Military use today some even get upgrade
NATO uses them a lot while DC8s are still active for some cargo purposed the re-engined one's

boom_box

August 17th, 2009, 03:37 PM

I guess arianespace can answer my question...

how does twin engine planes rate its ETOPS rating...? Since the new B787 and A350 are both twin engine planes..

yodax9000

August 17th, 2009, 07:02 PM

Assuming a Boeing or an Airbus looses all engine power, is the Boeing any more glide capable that the Airbus?

Brad

Gliding eh??

Airbus:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Transat_Flight_236

vs.

Boeing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider

mwg12a

August 18th, 2009, 01:09 AM

bitoy

August 18th, 2009, 02:32 AM

^^ One of the most scariest message that you will hear from your pilot of your jumbo jet is "Ladies and gentlemen, we have a small problem, all of our engines had failed.....". :bash:

~~~~~~~~~~~

True that, most aircrafts are capable of gliding and 777 with just 2 engines will have a lesser drag during the glide pattern.
But with the recent water crash landing of US Airways Airbus A320, it proves that they can glide. It just the matter of where to land sucessfully.

Just remember that most airline pilots have no training in gliding their commercial jets to land without power.

pi_malejana

August 18th, 2009, 02:34 AM

Just remember that airline pilots have no training in gliding their commercial jets without power.

whoa really???:eek:
i know pilots have stall/spin training, pero gliding wala pala....:lol:

bitoy

August 18th, 2009, 03:12 AM

Arkdriver

August 18th, 2009, 11:56 AM

I think most of these aircrafts are capable of gliding in the event of all engine failure. I believe they can only glide up to a certain distance because they would definitely rapidly lose altitude, this would leave the pilot or the captain very little time to decided and find a safe place to land. ArkDriver who is an airline pilot for Singapore airlines can answer these better than most of us since, obviously, he is a licensed commercial airline pilot.

The aim to glide is to ditch where it's deemed safe for landing. During training even for the basic PPL (private pilot license) stage students are taught to perform glide landing (landing with power idle meaning zero thrust) and PFL (practiced forced landing). This is to prepare for the worst case scenario like you lost your engine during flight. It's one of my favourite exercise and the satisfaction cant be described by words if you can execute smooth, safe and positive landing.

To answer alcogoodwin answer which plane make glide better, i cant really give an definite answer. Newer planes tend to be more aerodynamic so we can say that they glide better but what's the point of gliding extra 12 miles if you lose your engine in the middle of atlantic. It doesnt make any difference if the less aerodynamically-efficient planes ditch 12 miles earlier. It's in the middle of the sea you'll end up as shark's lunch anyway! joke. Most commercial airliners are designed to be able to float at least until everyone is safely evacuated from the plane.

The case of Gimli glider and transat were just pure luck. The airfield was within their gliding range so it's hats off to the pilot. If it falls beyond the range, they might have to ditch into the sea (transat) and forced landing (gimli). The case of gimli glider is more interesting for me as the co pilot chose the defunct airfield, turn in the high key and low key and execute a safe and positive landing. It's all in the basic training.

arianespace

August 18th, 2009, 01:47 PM

I guess arianespace can answer my question...

how does twin engine planes rate its ETOPS rating...? Since the new B787 and A350 are both twin engine planes..

From the start of the ratings game, standards of all twin engine performance is the same regardless of aircraft size, and that is the original 60 minutes rule (FAR 121.161).

It means that the aircraft, from the lowly 5 capacity Cessna executive jet to the biggest triple seven ER, must be capable of flying level flight with one engine for almost one hour. And its not the only thing there is to the rule. The pilot must also find alternative airport within the radius to land within that period and that airport must also be capable of handling the plane. The logic is for it to be able to land safely at the nearest airport within that particular period in case of emergency.

In fact, a single engine of a twin engine aircraft can fly the plane alone from the lowly DC-3 to the largest Boeing 777. The purpose of the second engine is redundancy for safety and speed.

The word extended meant that the twin engine airliner can still be able to fly safely for another 60 minutes despite operating only on one engine, a time sufficient enough to land the plane at an alternative airport.

The original ETOPS rating was intended for commercial propeller planes and was first set in 1953 by the FAA and adopted a global standard in 1954. It was applied to jet engines later.

ETOPS means that pilot must plot their flight path subject to the 60 minute rule, that is, there must be an alternate airport within which to land in emergency for the next hour.

Say for example, MANILA-SINGAPORE. In the 50's, instead of going straight airlines flight path covers a deviated route from Manila, Puerto Princesa, kota kinabalu, kutching and Singapore.

http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gcmap?PATH=RPLL-RPVP-WBKK-WBKK-WBSB-WBGG-WSSS&PATH-COLOR=red

Nowadays airlines can fly direct, thanks to jet flight, with alternate airports of Puerto Princesa, Kota Kinabalu and Kutching. Perhaps now you know why PPS airport is big despite its traffic size.

http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gcmap?PATH=mnl-sin&PATH-COLOR=red

ICAO data disclosed unreliability of the first generation piston engine that powered the first commercial flight in the US resulting to the formulation of the rule. The old piston engine had the famous habit of conking out in the most unexpected moment while climbing when engine RPM was revved from 1000 level up.

The limitations prompted manufacturers to make 3 engine aircraft to exempt it from the 1 hour rule and of course to fly straight for longer distances. Thats why DC-4 and constellations ruled the sky in 1955 because it can fly straight points and for longer distances too. Three engine planes popularly known as tridents were first introduce in 1963 by HS Trident that goes with the name and Boeing 727-100 in 1964.

Although there was huge discrepancy on the distance covered between propeller and jet powered aircraft in one hour, the introduction of jet powered flight did not change the standard for quite sometime until the arrival of airbus 300 in 1978 when the rule becomes manifestly absurd, particularly on the north atlantic routes.

To alleviate the discrepancy the industry asked the FAA to revise its ETOPS rule citing advances in jet engine technology. Boeing joined the call in 1982 to rethink the standards. You may want to think too that the 50's is very much different with today's technology.

However, the FAA stick to its gun. Instead in 1985 it allowed the airline to deviate from the rule after FAA approval that requires compliance of more stringent safety checks on engines.

This allowed airlines to fly the north atlantic on the most shorter and competitive routes for two hours until the next alternative airport in the radius.

In 1988, the 120 minutes rule was applied to the world by ICAO on the same conditions imposed by FAA.

The 120 minutes rule was still not possible for poles overflight or large area of the pacific and atlantic oceans until 1988 when it was expanded to 180 minutes but still subject to conditions. The Boeing 777 was the first airliner to be certified for 180 minutes ETOPS from date of entry of service.

Operators in North Pacific region, particularly Japan, Korea and Alaska were however limited by the availability of suitable alternate airport. That is why FAA extended the limit to 207 minutes, or 15% plus of the 3 hours rating, following the strategy adopted by EASA for the 138 minutes rule (120+15%) in the Atlantic.

Today, there are several airlines particularly Continental and Delta, enjoying the privilege of 207 minute ETOPS at the maximum. Such airlines operate routes like New-York and Hong-kong over the poles. They are the exceptions to the exceptions.

It does not mean however that because an airline operate a triple seven it is automatically allowed to use 207 ETOPS. All other Transpac airlines that operates the biggest twin jet enjoys 180 ETOPS as an exemption to the original 60 minutes that still stands today.

There are plans to further extend ETOPS to 240 minutes. The proposal is being led by Boeing for its B787 project. The dissidents to the idea include ATA (Air Transport Association), ALPA (Air Line Pilots Association),the APA (Allied Pilots Association) and its staunt competitor Airbus Industrie, perhaps protecting its A380 project although its XWB would benefit from this proposal.

The oppositors remain unconvinced whether operating twin-engine aircraft on 240-minute basis on certain routes particularly NOPAC or the North Pacific operations would bring further benefit as more alternative airports on these areas were slowly being developed and the proposal still requires extensive engine testing which has not been done as of late because of its costs.

Nevertheless, safety-wise, 3 or 4 engine aircraft would normally offer a higher redundancy than a twin although it may not necessarily translate to higher efficiency ratio.

Therefore, the Boeing 787 and the Airbus 350 will still be governed by the 180 rule as an exception, being designed primarily for long haul flights.

***************
On the other side of the discussions, the best heavy airliner that can glide the farthest belongs to Airbus, and Transat flight is still there in the Guinness Book of World Records while the best Boeing glider there is belongs to Air Canada with its 767 Gimli glider.

Aviation experts still believed that the A330 design is miles better at gliding than Boeing's design. By their calculations, the triple seven sinks faster than the A330 based on the British Airways 777 crash landing at Heathrow airport.

Thats a hard fact. Although it remains to be debatable until another triple seven proves it otherwise.

ashton

August 18th, 2009, 03:24 PM

^ wow. Thanks. I will re-read them tonight before sleeping. :)

hybridace101

August 18th, 2009, 03:53 PM

^^

I agree. Those flights from Manila to the U.S. West Coast and Canada has got to put a strain on the few B747-400 and A340 which fly daily! The lines at LAX are crazy long! The 777's will be a most welcome addition.....until PAL gets the A380! :| (wishful thinking, but a possiblility!)

If Cat1 is reinstated to the Philippines, what are the chances the delivery of 4 77Ws will be expedited?

This a big "OMG" moment for PAL (I hope). I originally found the article in PEx without a link, but I was able to trace it back to the Manila Times.

----

PAL to resume flights to Europe (http://www.manilatimes.net/national/2009/july/27/yehey/business/20090727bus14.html)

PHILIPPINE Airlines (PAL) is mulling over the resumption of flights to Europe after the Philippine air panel completed an air service agreement (ASA) with the United Kingdom, a high-ranking official of the Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB) said.

Carmelo Arcilla, CAB executive director told reporters that the flag carrier expressed interest to fly to the UK. “We cannot discount the possibility that PAL [would be] resuming its flights to Europe,” he said.

The Philippine and UK governments have agreed to 14 weekly flights to Manila and or Clark and to other points in the country.

Since the start of the year, the CAB had completed air talks with Singapore, Brunei, Australia, Kuwait, Bahrain, Qatar and United Arab Emirates.

He said that about 300,000 Filipinos are working in the UK, adding that “there’s really a huge demand.”

PAL’s flight to Europe was discontinued in 1998 after the Asian financial crisis nearly sent the flag carrier into bankruptcy.

At end-March, PAL’s network covered 29 points in the Philippines and 31 international destinations.

It carried an average of 24,508 passengers (14,699 domestic and 9,809 international) and 297 tons of cargo (166 tons domestic and 131 tons international) per day.

The airline held a 45.2-percent share in the domestic market in the fiscal year-ending March, while it cornered 36.6 percent of the trans-Pacific market and 31.6 percent for Asia and Australia.

The airline has 47 operating aircraft, including Airbus 320 and 319, Boeing 747-400, and Bombardiers.

By end 2009, PAL expects the arrival of its two, brand-new and fuel-efficient B777-300ER aircraft from Boeing Co.

PAL earlier reported a net loss of $301 million in the fiscal year ending March from a net profit of $30.6 million in the same period last year.

It said revenues rose by almost 10 percent to $1.6 billion during the period.
-- Darwin G. Amojelar

They said that 5 or 6 years ago but still... it's only a dream.

rayray2009

August 19th, 2009, 06:07 AM

If PAL resumes flights to UK, I hope they will also resume flight to Chicago if ever the Philippines will be reinstated to Category 1. There are more than Filipinos here in Chicago than in London and we take Asiana, Korean Air, Northwest or Japan Airlines. Everytime I go to the airport (ORD) or fetch a friend/family, their are lots of Filipino passengers bound to the philippines taking those airlines, maybe half. This is other than Filipino passengers taking the Northwest Airlines at Chicago-Midway Airport just few miles away from ORD.

Sky Harbor

August 19th, 2009, 06:11 AM

rayray2009

August 19th, 2009, 06:22 AM

^^ PAL already announced its intention to serve SPN, ORD, SAN and JFK in the past. Had Cat II not been imposed, I'd very well presume that ORD is on their priority list for new (or rather, restored) service.

I hope. Coz there are a lot of Filipinos here in Illinois specially in Chicago. I would love to fly on PAL, feels homey..:)

mwg12a

August 19th, 2009, 07:58 AM

^^ :lol: eh, ang mahal ng isang commercial jet plane ah....only those pilots that walk away from a successful landing without power can be considered with actual training in gliding their crippled plane to safety.

Ayan pinasinungalingan ka ni kaka piloto he he, tama si ArkDriver, pagkakaalam ko, lahat ng piloto, trained sa glide landing.

Thanks ArkDriver for your input. I figured I was correct somehow, the only difference is that you stated more especifically the more modern aircrafts can glide to a certain period of time (which is not much). And yes, landing in an open sea might be a safer bet, provided that the water is calm, just like what happened with US Airways. Had it was a bad day and the water was a bit choppy? It could of been worse, they could of been in a bin filled with S.O.L. he he

bitoy

August 19th, 2009, 08:13 AM

Ayan pinasinungalingan ka ni kaka piloto he he, tama si ArkDriver, pagkakaalam ko, lahat ng piloto, trained sa glide landing.

The best pilots that can do those manuevers would be the Space Shuttle pilots.
Yeah, kasama sa training yung glide landing and pilots should know the glide ratio of their aircrafts, but I was talking about those huge commercial jetliner to land without any power, the most that they come close to training on that is in a simulator.

Sabi ko nga sa iyo, I can land my 747 sa bubong ng apartment building sa HK. Yun nga lang siguradong wasak lahat, then reset the simulator. :lol:

mwg12a

August 19th, 2009, 08:40 AM

Siyempre naman, simulator lang ang training, anong gusto mo actual sa ere? Talaga tong si bitoy o??LMAO
Atleast kahit simulator, alam na na nila kung papaano mag rerespond almost automatically or instinctively because of these trainings. Hindi ba ang mga asthronauts, simulator lang din nagsisimula ang training?

bitoy

August 19th, 2009, 08:52 AM

^^ Sa simulator naman nagsisimula halos lahat. I know some astronauts trained in Edwards AFB test pilot school, but matagal na yun, duon meron shuttle glide landing approach test.

Pangarap ko maging astronaut nuon kaso takot ako maglakad sa space. :lol:

Sky Harbor

August 19th, 2009, 10:16 AM

Maayong adlaw gikan sa Tugpahanang Pangkalibutanon sa Mactan-Sugbo (Good day from Mactan-Cebu International Airport).

I'm here on the floor leading to a hardstand gate, using my laptop before PR 849 arrives and turns around as PR 850. We will be using RP-C7475 today, so expect a thorough review of the new AVOD system and Recaro seats in due time. Hopefully if I'm lucky, I'll get bumped up to Mabuhay Class, and I'll be even more thorough with my review. :D

yodax9000

August 19th, 2009, 07:21 PM

Engine out procedures (gliding) are taught even the beginning of flight school. It is part of the Private Pilot test standards, and therefore, in the checkride.

Sou-jiro

August 20th, 2009, 02:29 AM

is there any news if PAL A340 will start refurbishment by yr end? the 747s shoul be finishing of soon right?

bitoy

August 20th, 2009, 03:23 AM

whoa really???:eek:
i know pilots have stall/spin training, pero gliding wala pala....:lol:

The only time a commercial pilot can really train on their jetliner to land without power is during an actual all engines failure event. Hopefully you would not go thru to this checklist procedure when you become a pilot.

National Geographic ~ Air Crash Investigation - All Engines Failed

gVctfPGY3BI

pi_malejana

August 20th, 2009, 03:44 AM

^^ wag ka namang manakot...:lol::jk:

bitoy

August 20th, 2009, 05:21 AM

^^ I'm not scaring you, kita mo, walang smilies sa itaas, .... :lol: <-- ngayon meron na!!!

Kami nga, sinusundot ng bala ng Ak-47, kaya yung kevlar namin, nasa ilalim ng puwit namin during landing in a hot zone. :lol:

bustero

August 20th, 2009, 11:47 AM

On the other side of the discussions, the best heavy airliner that can glide the farthest belongs to Airbus, and Transat flight is still there in the Guinness Book of World Records while the best Boeing glider there is belongs to Air Canada with its 767 Gimli glider.

Aviation experts still believed that the A330 design is miles better at gliding than Boeing's design. By their calculations, the triple seven sinks faster than the A330 based on the British Airways 777 crash landing at Heathrow airport.

Thats a hard fact. Although it remains to be debatable until another triple seven proves it otherwise.

Kala ko ba the triple 7 was on a certain landing approach that required more power so when it was not produced by the engine the steep angle of approach made the plane drop fast?

shytype

August 20th, 2009, 03:07 PM

Turkish Airlines lines up and wait for Manila departure

ISTANBUL, Aug 20 - Flag carrier Turkish Airlines (THY) is lining up and waiting for the approval of the Air Service Agreement between Turkey and the Philippines this year as it announces plans to introduce new destinations in the far east.

"We are definitely flying to the Philippines next year" says CEO Temel Kotil. "This month we already started flying five times a week to Jakarta via Singapore, and hopefully we can arrange a deal with the Philippines for rights to Thailand" he said, as the airline intend to service Istanbul-Manila via Bangkok at the initial stage of their operations. "We probably fly direct if got no choice." he added.

The airline which is Europe's fourth-biggest airline in terms of passengers carried, is expanding its fleet, especially long-haul wide-body aircraft, and aims to increase its European market share by one-fifth to 10 percent next year. It is aggressively pursuing the transit passenger traffic by transforming Istanbul to become a major hub between Europe and Asia in competition with gulf-based carriers.

At present, Turkish Airlines serves points in Thailand, Singapore, South Korea, Hong Kong, Beijing, Shanghai and lately Jakarta. It plans to resume service to Kuala Lumpur together with new services to China, the Philippines and Vietnam. It has also plans to make Bangkok its Asian hub for flights to Australia by 2011.

Kotil added that the carrier intends to double its frequency in Asia within the next two years, starting with Tokyo Narita from four-weekly flights to daily operations, to Bangkok which will have an equipment upgrade to double daily triple seven in December 2009, with 4 flights extension probably to Saigon while the additional 3 flights intended as flight extension either to Manila or Guangzhou, depending on the services agreement that will be discussed later between the Philippines.

As a back up plan in case the Philippines would not agree to open up Bangkok, the airline intends to fly the Airbus 330-200 which will join the fleet in February and April next year to fly straight from Istanbul. The actual launch date was not however disclosed.

Turkish Airlines this week confirmed the contract for the purchase of additional seven Airbus A330-300 aircraft that was signed in Paris during Le Bourget Airshow in June 2009. The aircraft that is due for delivery from September 2010 will be powered by Rolls Royce engines and will carry 289 passengers in a two-class configuration.

Meanwhile, its Boeing order for seven extended range 777-300s worth $1.9 billion at list prices was finalize last July that adds to an order for five 777-300ERs placed in April this year or a total of 12 triple seven orders. Its delivery date starts from October 2010. The airline currently operates a fleet of 65 Boeing planes.

The airline publicly disclosed that passenger numbers increased to 9.7 percent in the first seven months of 2009 to 13.7 million, reflecting ambitions to grab market share from European rivals.

"Despite many problems in the industry, we grew at 9 per cent in the first half in terms of passenger numbers both domestic and foreign. However, our yields dropped due to lower demand from premium passengers," Kotil said.

Turkish Airlines flew 21.3 billion RPKs during the first seven months of 2009, up 12.4% over the year-ago period. Capacity rose 19.7% to 30.6 billion ASKs and load factor fell 4.5 points to 69.5% as the company increased capacity.
Its financial results for 2008 reported a net profit of US$874 million, up a strong 26% compared to 2007 figures. Gross Revenue was also up to US$4.719 billion, with proceeds from international traffic accounting for 78% of total revenue, while 22% was from domestic traffic. Shares in the state-run carrier also rose 3 percent to 2.72 lira as of this date.

Dr Kotil credited the company’s very careful oil-price hedging policy as one of the reasons why it was able to grow its 2008 net profit by 328% to USD874 million while other heavy weight world airliners slump.
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arianespace

August 20th, 2009, 04:37 PM

^^
Kala ko ba the triple 7 was on a certain landing approach that required more power so when it was not produced by the engine the steep angle of approach made the plane drop fast?

It was and it lost 2 engine on final so they were gliding it. See this report (http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources.cfm?file=/G-YMMM%20Interim%20Report.pdf) for details. On how they calculate it, I really have no idea how it is so.

Apparently some wise guys in England managed to calculate the descent rate based on the planes final approach. That is according to the magazine I read. I think it was either from Flight International or journal of aircraft magazine. I can't exactly remember the issue but they attribute it to the wing design.

Its interesting to note that the book, Fundamentals of Aircraft Structural Analysis,[Howard Curtis, 1996] suggest the same thing. Perhaps, engineers from Boeing missed this one considering the problems they have now with the 787.

You may want to start reading this article (http://www.imamod.ru/~serge/arc/conf/ECCOMAS_2004/ECCOMAS_V2/proceedings/pdf/853.pdf).

In comparison to their smaller siblings, A320 also fares better than the B737NG based on the US Airways water landing at Hudson River and the Turkish airlines landing at Schiphol. See this link (http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/unusual-attitude/2009/05/vanity-fair-epic-on-usairways.html) why is it so.

hybridace101

August 20th, 2009, 06:42 PM

I-nonstop na nila iyan even if it is just 2-3x weekly.

Sky Harbor

August 20th, 2009, 06:50 PM

^^ If there is no market for IST-MNL, then the stopover in Bangkok is justified since IST-BKK is obviously stronger than IST-MNL.

ngprofflorida

August 21st, 2009, 04:53 AM

CEB expands on board
offerings with Duty Free
Leading value airline Cebu Pacific (CEB) launches its Duty Free offerings on board all international flights from Manila on August 21, 2009.

Joining the Fun Shop are a wide range of world-class Duty Free cosmetics, skin care products, fragrances for men and women, jewelry, watches, travel accessories, children’s gifts and chocolates.

Aside from this diverse Duty Free selection, snacks, drinks and other CEB merchandise are also sold in flight.

Brands to be carried by CEB include Estee Lauder, Lancôme, L’Oréal, Swarovski, Pierre Cardin, Hello Kitty, and Godiva, among others. Prices range from as low as P300 to P4,950.

“Cebu Pacific wanted to make it easier for its passengers to shop for souvenirs for their friends and family. Now, with Duty Free, they no longer have to rush shopping. They can enjoy it from the convenience of their seats while in flight,” said Candice Iyog, CEB VP for marketing and distribution.

From Manila, the airline flies to Bangkok, Guangzhou, Hong Kong, Jakarta, Kota Kinabalu, Kuala Lumpur, Macau, Ho Chi Minh, Incheon (Seoul), Osaka, Shanghai, Singapore and Taipei.

CEB, the leader in innovation and creativity in the local aviation industry, was the first local airline to introduce E-ticketing, prepaid excess baggage, and seat selection in the Philippines.

Customers have also learned to anticipate a uniquely upbeat flying experience with CEB, as this is the only domestic carrier that offers fun in the skies with its games on board popularly known as ‘Fun Flights’ together with its entertaining in-flight magazine - Smile.

hybridace101

August 21st, 2009, 05:04 AM

When will an airline here introduce online check-in? That's what I'm looking forward to since 7 (or more) years have passed since they introduced it.

OceanBreezeInn

August 21st, 2009, 05:56 AM

Zest Air eyes DMIA as hub for int’l flights

Budget airline Zest Airways Inc. (Zest Air) intends to make the Diosdado Macapagal International Airport (DMIA) in Clark its hub for its international flights starting September this year.

Victor Jose I. Luciano, president and CEO of the Clark International Airport Corp. said that Zest Air will start its commercial flights in DMIA in September this year.

At present, Zest Air’s domestic flights are based at the old domestic airport in Manila except for one flight in Clark for Caticlan.

The airline also plans to mount flights to Hong Kong, Incheon in South Korea, Macau, Xiamen and Shanghai in China and Bangkok in Thailand.

Zest Air’s application for rights to fly the Middle East, particularly Kuwait and UAE is pending approval by foreign governments while its request to fly to Australia is currently applied following new bilateral agreement between Australia and the Philippines.

Zest Air would be able to mount international flights with the starting delivery of two brand new Airbus 320 in October this year.

This is in addition to the first A-320 it purchased earlier. The company is also buying 2 Boeing 767-300 aircraft to bring its total fleet to 11 aircraft by yearend, flying to major tourist destinations in the country.

This is part of the $150 million second wave of capital expansion. Last year, the company invested $170 million.

At present, Zest Air flies to Caticlan, Busuanga, Calbayog, Catarman, Marinduque, San Jose and Virac from Manila. It started flying new routes to Iloilo, Legaspi, Naga, Puerto Princesa, Davao, Kalibo, Tacloban and Tagbilaran.

The Zest-O group of companies, owned by businessman Alfredo Yao, acquired Asian Spirit, a small airline company based in the Philippines last year, and is carrying out an aggressive expansion program amid worldwide economic downturn. (BCM)

Source: MB (http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/213962/zest-air-eyes-dmia-hub-int-l-flights)

Also according to Zest Air website:

Manila-CLARK-Manila
Z2 284 DAILY 1425 1455 Z2 285 / DAILY 2125 2155 A320 15 Kgs

from Sept 21 with A320 !

c6josh

August 21st, 2009, 06:09 AM

AirAsia starts direct flights between Colombo and KL
August 20, 2009, 2:14pm

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/3904/airasia0.jpg

AirAsia has started its daily direct flights between the two capital cities of Colombo and Kuala Lumpur.

Colombo which is AirAsia’s third destination in South Asia will complement the airline's aggressive growth in that market besides feeding more traffic to both countries.

AirAsia currently flies from Kuala Lumpur to two destinations in South Asia to Dhaka, Bangladesh which started in March 2009 followed by Tiruchirappalli (Trichy) in South India that started in December 2008.

With excellent air connectivity between Colombo and Kuala Lumpur, mutual economic benefits can be expected as AirAsia’s low fares and innovative services will definitely stimulate more travel both inbound and outbound from these two destinations.

The Sri Lankan people could also take advantage of Kuala Lumpur as the connecting gateway to over 130 routes in Asia and beyond.

Dato Sri Tony Fernandes, Group Chief Executive Officer of AirAsia, said: “Colombo has long been on our network radar and we are very proud to liberalize the market to the world. We have sold approximately 30,000 seats since we opened for sale about two months ago."

"This is indeed a clear testament that AirAsia’s low fares have empowered people to fly. We are excited play a key role in promoting Colombo’s beautiful city and people to the rest of the world.”

“We have been promoting Colombo aggressively to Malaysians, across Asean region and even beyond to destinations such as Australia and United Kingdom, in fact we have also included Colombo in our recent “Big Sale campaign and cross sell it to other destinations."

"We are also promoting Colombo on our website, AirAsia.com. We are certain that Colombo will definitely leverage from the huge exposure gained from these initiatives. Our current network already covers Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia, Singapore, China, India, Australia and United Kingdom.”

Tony Mr. Bernard Goonetilleke, Chairman of Sri Lanka Tourism Promotion Bureau said: "It signifies an important milestone in the field of aviation and tourism to Malaysia as well as Sri Lanka. The launch of daily flights to Colombo from Kuala Lumpur will be mutually beneficial to both AirAsia and Sri Lanka Tourism, as we can expect a considerable increase in both inbound and outbound travel to both destinations, which bodes well for tourism in both Malaysia and Sri Lanka.” (EHL)

Mr. Sandman

August 21st, 2009, 07:06 AM

^^ If there is no market for IST-MNL, then the stopover in Bangkok is justified since IST-BKK is obviously stronger than IST-MNL.Actually, I don't think Turkish Airlines was primarily aiming for the O/D traffic IST-MNL (v.v.), but rather for the European & Middle East traffic to Manila using IST as a hub. Looking at their route map IST is perfectly situated for this.

Sky Harbor

August 21st, 2009, 10:14 AM

Also according to Zest Air website:

Manila-CLARK-Manila
Z2 284 DAILY 1425 1455 Z2 285 / DAILY 2125 2155 A320 15 Kgs

from Sept 21 with A320 !

I announced that here already. The fare is P700 regardless of when you book.

Sky Harbor

August 21st, 2009, 10:14 AM

Actually, I don't think Turkish Airlines was primarily aiming for the O/D traffic IST-MNL (v.v.), but rather for the European & Middle East traffic to Manila using IST as a hub. Looking at their route map IST is perfectly situated for this.

I know that. However, do understand that BKK also has fairly strong O-D traffic to and from IST, which MNL does not have.

Fraulein

August 21st, 2009, 10:35 AM

Sana Matuloy yung Turkish Airlines dito sa Manila. Yung tatay ko kasi laging Istabul siya sumasakay pabalik dito. So at least isang sakay na lang. :)

So far, ang daming airline na may plans na pumunta dito:

Indonesia Air Asia
Afriqiyah Airways
Turkish Airlines
Air China
Oman Air
Mahan Air
Finnish Airlines

:banana:

diz

August 21st, 2009, 11:14 AM

Fraulein

August 21st, 2009, 11:16 AM

source?

Ang dami po. And I think nasa previous pages ng thread na ito :)

hybridace101

August 21st, 2009, 12:46 PM

And a key will be to show T3 can be operational without any danger of litigation.

kiretoce

August 21st, 2009, 04:06 PM

seven13

August 21st, 2009, 04:09 PM

kelan ba yung Oman air and Mahan Air??

hybridace101

August 21st, 2009, 05:23 PM

Future European Routes ng PAL? These are I think the ones in consideration. 2 were former routes, and both were viable- Frankurt and London.

London
Milan/Rome
Frankfurt am Main
Amsterdam

London, to serve the large Filipino community there. LHR is an important hub, gateway to Europe, and connecting point. Lots of North American-Western Europe-Central Europe connections. So pinoys who are in Ireland, France, Southwestern Europe like Spain and Portugal can easily transit and catch a PAL flight rather than fly all the way to Amsterdam. PAL could even establish codeshare with the regional airlines in Europe for passengers connecting them with PAL to MNL. We are all aware of the government agreements between the RP and Spain on possible flights between the two countries. But it wouldn't be practical for PAL as PAL has specific targeted markets. Mainly large Pinoy communities. Either ways, Iberia wouldn't fly it's aircrafts to MNL either. It wouldn't be profitable for them either. Spaniards won't come to the Philippines for Holidays when they can cross the Atlantic for a shorter flight time to South or Central America and they wouldn't have problems with Language barriers.

Milan/Rome are important. The large Pinoy communities also there, but Rome is also an important destination for many Pinoys. There's a large population of Pinoys living in Rome, but also large numbers of tour groups and pilgrimage to the Vatican.

Frankfurt am Main in Germany is an important Gateway to central Europe. It is a hub and connecting point for many airlines, particularly, the largest airline in Europe, Lufthansa. PAL has and had strong ties with Lufthansa. Many flights that are outbound Europe, have connections to Frankfurt am Main. This would allow many Filipinos in Germany, and in any central European country to connect and get on PAL flight in Frankfurt am Main. And if I'm not mistaken, PAL used to service Frankfurt. Quite a large number of Filipinos in Frankfurt and areas near Bonn and Dusseldorf. I would highly think that its more practical to serve Frankfurt than the failed return of service at Paris. PAL tried to return to Paris, but failed. Frankfurt is more viable.

Amsterdam is also an important hub and gateway to Europe. KLM has also had a long history of partnership with PAL. Not sure how KLM will respond if PAL decides to fly it's own aircraft to Amsterdam. Naka codeshare agreements ba sila? Possible codeshares with KLM siguro. Or Alternating use of equipment between the airlines. Anyways, Many of the Scandinavian countries such as Sweden, Denmark, Norway, etc. employ many Filipinos in their health care system. There are large numbers of Filipinos who keep their coveted health care system running. Amsterdam is an excellent destination to target these Filipino communities. Marami din mga Northwestern Europeans who flock to the resorts of the Southern and Central Philippines. So far KLM has a monopoly on the European route to MNL. KLM brings in a large number of European tourists to the Philippines also, direct pa.

PR used to have codeshare agreements with KL to AMS. The good news about KL having the monopoly of routes between the European Community and the Philippines is that it is also non-stop. Which leads me to my next question, if PR resumes flights to the European Community, will we expect it to be non-stop or via an intermediate route like BKK?

firebar10

August 21st, 2009, 06:07 PM

arnolds

August 21st, 2009, 09:12 PM

pthfndr19

August 21st, 2009, 10:13 PM

Embraer jets are good also for domestic routes...:cheers:

rayray2009

August 22nd, 2009, 02:52 AM

PR used to have codeshare agreements with KL to AMS. The good news about KL having the monopoly of routes between the European Community and the Philippines is that it is also non-stop. Which leads me to my next question, if PR resumes flights to the European Community, will we expect it to be non-stop or via an intermediate route like BKK?

It would be nice if PAL makes code share agreements with other European Airlines for connecting flights to other European countries. However, Im just thinking about other Middle Eastern airlines such as Qatar and Emirates which offers flights to Europe via Doha or Dubai and are usually cheaper because they are subsidized by their own governments. This would be a stiff competition for PAL if it reopens LHR/Europe route. The reason why OFWs/Filipino passengers bound to UK/Europe take Qatar or Emirates is that they really offer cheap airfare but excellent service rather than taking other Asian airlines such as Singapore or Cathay Pacific which are usually expensive. So PAL should compete well in comes to service, and an on-time flight is the best deal for it.

dc88

August 22nd, 2009, 03:38 AM

pinas wala png Airbus A380:lol:

mjx729

August 22nd, 2009, 04:00 AM

good pics

quannar

August 22nd, 2009, 05:28 AM

hi guy,

I would like to ask our aviation experts here, what are the chances of local airlines buying planes outside of boeing and airbus to say, Bombardier, Embraer, China plane makers and Russian (Sukhoi) plane makers. These alternatives may offer lower prices for their planes and the sizes of these planes maybe ideal for domestic routes and regional routes

Yeah Love Russian Aircraft.....hehehehehe

SUKHOI SUPER JET100
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Sukhoi_Superjet_100_prototype.jpg

ILYUSHIN IL-96
http://images3.jetphotos.net/img/2/8/2/9/44582_1246889928.jpg

TUPOLEV 207
http://images3.jetphotos.net/img/2/1/5/9/45113_1245498951.jpg

ianers_ianized

August 22nd, 2009, 05:32 AM

^^ If there is no market for IST-MNL, then the stopover in Bangkok is justified since IST-BKK is obviously stronger than IST-MNL.

I agree, but IST is a good hub for Europe bound pax from MNL as well as for middle east destinations...

CEB expands on board
offerings with Duty Free
Leading value airline Cebu Pacific (CEB) launches its Duty Free offerings on board all international flights from Manila on August 21, 2009.

Joining the Fun Shop are a wide range of world-class Duty Free cosmetics, skin care products, fragrances for men and women, jewelry, watches, travel accessories, children’s gifts and chocolates.

Aside from this diverse Duty Free selection, snacks, drinks and other CEB merchandise are also sold in flight.

Brands to be carried by CEB include Estee Lauder, Lancôme, L’Oréal, Swarovski, Pierre Cardin, Hello Kitty, and Godiva, among others. Prices range from as low as P300 to P4,950.

“Cebu Pacific wanted to make it easier for its passengers to shop for souvenirs for their friends and family. Now, with Duty Free, they no longer have to rush shopping. They can enjoy it from the convenience of their seats while in flight,” said Candice Iyog, CEB VP for marketing and distribution.

From Manila, the airline flies to Bangkok, Guangzhou, Hong Kong, Jakarta, Kota Kinabalu, Kuala Lumpur, Macau, Ho Chi Minh, Incheon (Seoul), Osaka, Shanghai, Singapore and Taipei.

CEB, the leader in innovation and creativity in the local aviation industry, was the first local airline to introduce E-ticketing, prepaid excess baggage, and seat selection in the Philippines.

Customers have also learned to anticipate a uniquely upbeat flying experience with CEB, as this is the only domestic carrier that offers fun in the skies with its games on board popularly known as ‘Fun Flights’ together with its entertaining in-flight magazine - Smile.

I-rival b pati ang Fiesta Boutique ng PAL... hehe...

Sana Matuloy yung Turkish Airlines dito sa Manila. Yung tatay ko kasi laging Istabul siya sumasakay pabalik dito. So at least isang sakay na lang. :)

So far, ang daming airline na may plans na pumunta dito:

Indonesia Air Asia
Afriqiyah Airways
Turkish Airlines
Air China
Oman Air
Mahan Air
Finnish Airlines

:banana:

Well, sna mg-materialize lhat yan...

dc88

August 22nd, 2009, 06:10 AM

Russian,Turkey..Planes arent reliable..some of them are even banned from entering the air space of some other country.

Noize_320

August 22nd, 2009, 07:48 AM

That Sukhoi Superjet looks weird...wondering whats the purpose of that "nose"...skewering other jets maybe? :lol:

the second looks a super-shortened A340...maybe they should've used 2 engines instead of 4...heheh~

the Tupolev looks good though... :)

weewit

August 22nd, 2009, 07:55 AM

that sharp nose can bust a butt... ;)

pthfndr19

August 22nd, 2009, 07:59 AM

^^it's a Unicorn. haha:lol:

Noize_320

August 22nd, 2009, 08:06 AM

^^ its a Blue Marlin or a Swordfish to me...

Mars Uy

August 22nd, 2009, 08:21 AM

Tacloban-Daniel Z. Romualdez Airport

http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/52/1832190.jpg

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/9453/1832189.jpg

Noize_320

August 22nd, 2009, 09:45 AM

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/7031/rpc3193.jpg

diz

August 22nd, 2009, 09:55 AM

^^ nice abs

mwg12a

August 22nd, 2009, 10:00 AM

Yeah Love Russian Aircraft.....hehehehehe

SUKHOI SUPER JET100
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6a/Sukhoi_Superjet_100_prototype.jpg

ILYUSHIN IL-96
http://images3.jetphotos.net/img/2/8/2/9/44582_1246889928.jpg

TUPOLEV 207
http://images3.jetphotos.net/img/2/1/5/9/45113_1245498951.jpg

ewwww, you ain't seing me in any of these russian aircrafts!!!! They're like flying coffins for all I care... he he sorry, i don't mean to sound like a party pooper...

OceanBreezeInn

August 22nd, 2009, 10:45 AM

Once again ... Carabao Island Airport ...

Construction of airport to Boracay starts soon

The construction of the P3-billion modern international airport in a small island near Romblon province – dubbed as the best and nearest alternative to the overcrowded resort island of Boracay – would start soon, local officials said.

Romblon officials led by Rep. Eleandro Jesus Madrona and Gov. Natalio Beltran III said the groundbreaking of the Carabao Island International Airport (CIIA) would start next month.

Madrona said the construction of the modern international airport, expected to be fully operational by 2012, is a private-sector initiative.

Investors from Europe, Japan, South Korea and Taiwan have earlier expressed interest in the island as an alternate site for their investments. The site is located in San Jose town, an island in Romblon that can be reached by a 15-minute boat ride from Boracay.

San Jose, just a 30-minute flight away from Manila, is a carabao-shaped island. The proposed world-class airport project, when completed, can accommodate Airbuses planes and other similar huge aircraft.

Madrona said the CIIA could be an alternate to the existing airports in Tugdan, Alcantara in Tablas Island in Romblon, Kalibo and Caticlan in Aklan, which foreign and domestic tourists use in going to Boracay.

Caticlan airport has been closed recently for renovation.

San Jose town Mayor Fil Tandog said the island is like Boracay with white sand beaches and crystal-clear waters ideal for diving.

Tandog said the island, popularly known as Isla de Carabao, is four times bigger than Boracay.

Tandog revealed that several foreign investors from Taiwan, Korea, Japan and US have already visited his town and signified their intention to invest in the island to put up hotels, restaurants, golf courses, resorts and other modern amenities.

With the signified investments, prices of prime property in the municipality went up from P150 per square meter to as much as P500.

Beachfront rates, on the other hand, are much higher – ranging from P4,000 to P5,000 per square meter.

Real estate in San Jose is much cheaper compared to Boracay because properties in the virgin island are virtually unoccupied and owned by original settlers who have been residing in the area for years.

Members of the provincial board in Romblon led by Fred Dorado hailed President Arroyo for taking the initiative to put the region in the country’s tourism map.

Dorado assured foreign and local investors that they would enact a measure to lower the taxes in the province.

The construction of the airport is expected to generate entrepreneurial opportunities and new jobs, thereby increasing economic activities for the people of the municipality, including the remaining 14 towns of the province, officials said.

Beltran added the airport in Carabao Island will provide steady jobs and income for all the residents where fishing and farming remain the main sources of livelihood.

Source: philstar (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=498285&publicationSubCategoryId=206)

boom_box

August 22nd, 2009, 10:52 AM

That Sukhoi Superjet looks weird...wondering whats the purpose of that "nose"...skewering other jets maybe? :lol:

I guess that "nose" something is only use on prototype version of airplane (first version).. like on that picture... probably collecting data while flying.. (airspeed, aerodynamic data...etc.. etc)

pthfndr19

August 22nd, 2009, 10:56 AM

dc88

August 22nd, 2009, 11:00 AM

^its supposed to gather radar signals..is there any aviation expert here?:lol:

habagatcentral1

August 22nd, 2009, 11:23 AM

Does anyone here have a photo of Philippine-made aircraft? :nocrook:

boom_box

August 22nd, 2009, 11:34 AM

nga pala... Bakit po pala pinapayagang mag operate ang Air Philippines using B737 aircraft sa Naga kahit napakaiksi lang ng runway dun?
E sa Caticlan, kung hindi nagkaproblema ang Zest air dun baka hindi na-stop dun ang pagbyahe ng PAL Express,CEB, at Zest using their small aircrafts..

Runway length on those airports are totally different...

RPUN (Naga)
Runways
04/22 1,006 m 3,300ft

RPVE (Caticlan)
Runways
06/24 810m 2,657m

anyway, capable po ang 737-200 of landing short runways.. siguro mga 3000 ft usable runway length ang kailangan... provided na hindi rin fullpack ang passengers at cargo.. :)

btw.. di po ako aviation expert.. hehe..

Does anyone here have a photo of Philippine-made aircraft? :nocrook:

mukhang wala pa akong nakita.. hehe

hybridace101

August 22nd, 2009, 12:25 PM

Thanks, Sky Harbor! :) Hope if it's OK to re-post, with MY captions:

The Mabuhay Class Forward Main Deck (formerly First Class) section, of Philippine Airlines' sole 747-469

BEFORE refurbishment (as N754PR):
http://images3.jetphotos.net/img/1/5/1/5/96000_1089146515.jpg
For a time, Philippine Airlines was distinctly way behind in its amenities, compared with its neighbor airlines. Note the old-school box-shaped seats and CRT (I think, and not even the flat-screen type!) movie screen - standard in the '90s (when it was originally delivered) but remained despite being antiquated by 2004 (when this shot was taken)!

AFTER refurbishment (as RP-C7475):
http://images3.jetphotos.net/img/1/7/7/2/32027_1247851277.jpg
Around 2006-07 (I think), N754PR was given its current Philippine registry, and in mid-2008, became the second 747 to receive the latest refurbishments, which included new seats, improved in-flight entertainment, among other improvements. (The first to be so refurbished was RP-C7471, formerly N751PR - appropriately PAL's first 747-400.)

Note also the Arabic-language signages in both photos. Built in 1995 and carrying Boeing manufacturer Serial 27663, this aircraft was originally intended to be delivered to Kuwait Airways but NTU (not taken up); offered again to the Kuwait Government, again NTU - then finally offered to Philippine Airlines in 1996. (Based upon info conveyed to me by a friend of mine, a flight attendant with the airline.)

Do you think those 7475 now uses a video demonstration instead of a live demonstration? A flight attendant told me the reason 7475 used a live demo was because the main TV audio for the cabin malfunctioned a long time ago. It looks pretty nice to see the refurbished "sorry flight."

Having said all of that, PR's new mabuhay class looks like CX's business class during the 2002-2007 era. So frankly, there are still 1 step behind.

Sky Harbor

August 22nd, 2009, 06:16 PM

^^ They do (and I know this first hand, since my CEB-MNL flight last Wednesday was on RP-C7475). All refurbished 747s use the old 747 safety video, with the mischievous flight attendant duo and the old seats in C and Y. They did do a live demo for us though since they couldn't get the video to play with sound (a result of the individual IFE freezing up).

Sky Harbor

August 22nd, 2009, 11:59 PM

Thank you, Tita Cory, for giving PAL its most known dish: arroz caldo.

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Why arroz caldo is on PAL’s menu (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/inquirerheadlines/nation/view/20090821-221331/Why-arroz-caldo-is-on-PALs-menu)

By Gil Carolino
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 08:31:00 08/21/2009

MANILA, Philippines — In 1987, Malacañang appointed me to be a member of the Committee on State Visits of President Corazon C. Aquino. I was then with Philippine Airlines and this unexpected appointment gave me the distinct privilege of going with Tita Cory on all her trips abroad. She made only a handful, less than a dozen (nothing compared to the more than 50 and 30 trips of two Philippine presidents), but they were more than enough for me to know Tita Cory up close and personal.

Tita Cory never gave the PAL crew any problem. She never demanded anything as far as service was concerned, like asking for special and elaborate meals. The only thing that she asked to be served was arroz caldo which, after that, became a standard feature of PAL’s inflight meals.

Tita Cory was very pleasant with the crew and everyone on the plane, including the regular passengers whom Tita Cory sought so she could have even a short conversation with them inside the plane. Everyone was awed by Tita Cory’s simplicity and pure heart.

Lunch at Arlegui

I am neither a close family friend nor an official of her administration, yet, very early on during her presidency, Tita Cory invited me and my wife to have lunch one Sunday with her children (Noynoy and Kris were not there) at the Arlegui residence inside the Malacañang compound. There we saw a fine lady, not the President of the land, but the loving mother to Ballsy, Pinky and Viel and their spouses, and the very doting lola (grandmother) to her apos (grandchildren).

And, how could you not be forever grateful to Tita Cory if she showed genuine concern for your safety and welfare of your family?

A few weeks before the outbreak of the 1991 Gulf war, I was all packed up to be based in Dubai, UAE, to be PAL’s regional vice president/GM for the Middle East. As a matter of respect, I called up the Office of the President and told Tita Cory’s eldest daughter Ballsy to inform the President about it. Before I could even hang up, Tita Cory was already on the line and asked me, “O, gusto mo ba yan?” to which I answered in the affirmative. She might have felt differently because a few minutes after we talked, then PAL Chair and now Quezon City Mayor Sonny Belmonte called me to his office and told me, “O, tumawag si Tita Cory, ayaw ka niyang ma-assign don kasi may guerra daw don.”

Out of harm’s way

I could not describe my feelings. I was simply overwhelmed because, to me, it was unimaginable that the President of the Philippines, who had far more important things to attend to, would personally go out of her way to do that.

Napakahalaga ng buhay ng tao sa kanya. She showed it again when she, subsequently, directed PAL to operate special flights to evacuate her countrymen who had no way out as they were stranded in the region during that most critical period. Tita Cory personally followed up the developments and actual operations of the special flights which, I thought, she could just have assigned to her Cabinet and staff to coordinate with PAL.

Tita Cory is gone. However, our spontaneous outpouring of grief and sadness is solid proof that we fully embrace the ideals and aspirations she wholeheartedly and endlessly fought for. Let us keep the fire brightly glowing until another Tita Cory comes, though I feel sad realizing the fact that that time will be beyond my lifetime.