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Blueleo

October 23rd, 2009, 02:09 AM

Airports should adapt to budget carriers: study

By Karen Flores 10/22/2009 4:48 PM

MANILA - As the global economic crisis took a toll on the aviation industry, airports worldwide should start adjusting to the demands of those that can provide them the most opportunities for growth: the budget or low-cost carriers (LCCs).

A recent study by the Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation (CAPA) showed that there has been an "enormous" delivery schedule of planes to LCCs worldwide over the next few years, suggesting "an ever more desperate search for new routes on which to fly these aircraft."

In the process of coming up with new routes for these planes, LCCs would incur costs for their use of airports and terminals. CAPA is saying that airports should make way for more LCCs to accommodate more revenues.

"Airports must therefore continue to adapt to the demands of the LCCs, allowing for their increasing propensity to change shape," CAPA said.

Countries like Singapore and Malaysia have separate terminals for LCCs. But according to CAPA, it is better for all kinds of airlines (legacy, low-cost, or regional) to have a "seamless interchange" in airports across the globe.

"No longer is the interface between legacy airline and LCC regarded as 'contamination.' It is clear that the 2 must co-exist and the low-cost terminal epitomized for example by early versions at Singapore and Kuala Lumpur may already be out of date," CAPA said.

What local airports can do

Here at home, airports can be more advantageous to LCCs if they can provide greater mobility to planes, according to Candice Iyog, vice president for marketing and product of Gokongwei-led airline Cebu Pacific.

Particularly, Iyog said airports can get rid of passenger tubes so planes can move freely on the runway, causing less delays to flights.

"It's all about greater mobility and accessibility for passengers and aircraft. We don't need lounges, tubes, things like that. Our requirements are pretty simple," Iyog told abs-cbnNEWS.com in a phone interview.

Iyog said it would be better if the country's airports are similar to LCC terminals in Singapore and Kuala Lumpur. "But we're not asking for a separate terminal, we're okay with the current set-up," she said, adding that Philippine airports have always treated LCCs and legacy airlines equally.

The low-cost, no-frills airline strategy has been embraced by most carriers in the Philippines, including flag carrier Philippine Airlines (PAL). PAL has recently launched its budget arm PAL Express following the success of its low-cost rival, Cebu Pacific.

While PAL is looking at a bleak year ahead due to weak international demand, Cebu Pacific is expecting a profit rebound in 2009.

Cebu Pacific remains aggressive, and is now set to take delivery of 19 aircraft from this year until 2014. At present, the airline operates a total of 28 planes.

LCCs proved to be a hit even in a time of crisis in a third-world country such as the Philippines, where flying is considered a luxury. These carriers are able to make up for their cheaper fares as their planes were up in the air most of the day, translating to more revenues.

swahi

October 23rd, 2009, 02:59 AM

^^

When Cebpac's airbus planes arrive at the airport, they use the tubes for front embarkation/disembarkation, but they usually also utilize the rear door so that loading and unloading is faster. In areas where the terminal is for LCC, like in Singapore, there are no tubes. Its all stairs. Last year, my mother in law used Cebu Pacific to Singapore. But a month before her scheduled flight, somehow, her parkinson's acted up really bad. And we were worried how she would be able to go up the stairs. In the Philippines, she could be wheelchaired through the tubes, or if worse come to worse, she would be lifted by people up the stairs, which is the practice for planes using tubes with disabled passengers. But in Singapore, they don't offer such "complimentary" service. When queried, if ever a disabled person needs to be "carried" up the stairs, they said they would use those scissors lift type that they use for catering, to bring up the disabled to the door, but there is a charge of around 100 or so Sing dollars. The good news is, during her flights, her parkinsons didnt act up so she was able to go in and out on her own.

2nd, the problem with LCC like Cebu Pacific, their ground time and allocated flight time are shorter than that of PAL's for the same flight sector, for example. This doesn't give Cebpac allowance for delays. And if there are delays, it piles up for the flights using the same plane for the rest of the day.

Of course, these inconvenience has to be taken into consideration by the commuter, as that is the way cebpac is, and you end up getting the kind of service that you pay for.

Sky Harbor

October 23rd, 2009, 04:32 AM

Particularly, Iyog said airports can get rid of passenger tubes so planes can move freely on the runway, causing less delays to flights.

If Candice Iyog was the Secretary of Transportation, I'd bet Iloilo, Bacolod, Tacloban, Cagayan de Oro, Tagbilaran and Legazpi would not have new airports, as apparently she's content with not having jet bridges because they're a "hassle". :lol:

swahi

October 23rd, 2009, 04:59 AM

Before Cebpac shifted to using the ATR's from the 319/320 planes on the cebu-bacolod, cebu-iloilo routes, they were criticized for NOT using the tubes and just use all stairs, to the inconvenience of the passengers, EVEN when it was raining. Because of the furor, Cebpac eventually used the tubes when available, but utilized the rear door using those movable stairs. So it is not surprising for her to state they don't want/care for tubes, etc.

Obviously, their strategy works, as can be seen in their declared financials.

Sky Harbor

October 23rd, 2009, 05:03 AM

^^ They apparently don't in Davao.

oninBadz

October 23rd, 2009, 05:37 AM

wow, KLM B777-300ER

Good shots!

^^

:banana:this is a good upgrade from B777-200 to B777-300ER.seats are now comfortable for the 12hrs flight from Schipol.i first experienced flying with their new 777-300ER last sept.25...nice flight.:okay:

Sky Harbor

October 23rd, 2009, 05:43 AM

^^ If I'm not mistaken, the MNL-AMS flight has always been a 77W flight. The 772 doesn't have the range to fly MNL-AMS.

jogavilz

October 23rd, 2009, 05:46 AM

^^ They apparently don't in Davao.

^^actually i saw cebpac use the airbridge in Davao last week, and it wasn't even raining

hikouki

October 23rd, 2009, 05:50 AM

I want also to share some of my Plane spotting on T2 Domestic wing, while waiting for our flight to dumaguete. October 9, 2009
http://i470.photobucket.com/albums/rr67/icma7/Lola/IMG_1495.jpg

Cathay Pacific B747-400

WOW! Cathay 744 with PW engines with the new interiors!:banana::cucumber::carrot::banana2:

hikouki

October 23rd, 2009, 05:55 AM

If Candice Iyog was the Secretary of Transportation, I'd bet Iloilo, Bacolod, Tacloban, Cagayan de Oro, Tagbilaran and Legazpi would not have new airports, as apparently she's content with not having jet bridges because they're a "hassle". :lol:

CebuPac used to tell some of its customers (back during its DC-9 days) that the use of jetways at the terminal entails an additional fee. Maybe MIAA still charges them for usage of the jetways at T3. Nagtitipid sila e.:lol:

Fraulein

October 23rd, 2009, 05:55 AM

The difference between NEW PAL Airbus 320-200
Flight from MNL-BCD (04:55 Flight)

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And OLD PAL Airbus 320-200
Flight from BCD-MNL (10:50 Flight)

http://images.jhulyus.multiply.com/image/1/photos/17/500x500/86/DSC00837.JPG?et=F%2CnTEOae%2BvwlvQTaoS5K5A&nmid=292114905

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What do you think? :):)

Sky Harbor

October 23rd, 2009, 05:56 AM

^^ I'm still waiting for the day I can ride a Recaro A320. Probably at the end of today, I will release the island-hop TR which covers an A320 with similar interiors as to the one you were in for BCD-MNL.

oninBadz

October 23rd, 2009, 06:10 AM

^^ If I'm not mistaken, the MNL-AMS flight has always been a 77W flight. The 772 doesn't have the range to fly MNL-AMS.

as far as i can remember everytime i transit via AMS with KLM i usually fly with the old B777-200 as what is written in it's safety card. or i should admit i don't know the 77W but last sept.25 it was the first time i flew with the new 777ER with the national park something printed near it's nose.:)

mwg12a

October 23rd, 2009, 06:13 AM

I think I like the interiors on both new and older PAL fleets.

Sky Harbor

October 23rd, 2009, 06:16 AM

as far as i can remember everytime i transit via AMS with KLM i usually fly with the old B777-200 as what is written in it's safety card. or i should admit i don't know the 77W but last sept.25 it was the first time i flew with the new 777ER with the national park something printed near it's nose.:)

The 772 has eight doors, four on each side. The 77W has ten doors, five on each side.

oninBadz

October 23rd, 2009, 06:28 AM

The 772 has eight doors, four on each side. The 77W has ten doors, five on each side.

^^

ok i get it.i'll try counting those doors..how about 777-300ER,is it different from 77W?:)

quannar

October 23rd, 2009, 06:30 AM

22 October 2009

Subject: SUSPENSION OF OPERATIONS :ohno:

Dear Valued Partners:

We would like to inform you that due to commercial and economic reasons, all Air Macau flights Macau-Manila-Macau are SUSPENDED effective 25October 2009 (Winter Schedule 2009) until further notice.

Air Macau must acknowledge with gratitude the support you have given to Air Macau operations into Manila since 1997.

Air Macau trusts that harmonious relationship shall be maintained during the suspension of flight operations and more significantly for route resumption in the near future.

Kindly inform all concerned.

Sincerely yours,

AIR MACAU

quannar

October 23rd, 2009, 06:42 AM

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hybridace101

October 23rd, 2009, 06:47 AM

as far as i can remember everytime i transit via AMS with KLM i usually fly with the old B777-200 as what is written in it's safety card. or i should admit i don't know the 77W but last sept.25 it was the first time i flew with the new 777ER with the national park something printed near it's nose.:)

That's right, a 772ER was used previously between MNL and AMS. Their maximum ranges differ only slightly (less than 200 miles). I think they were talking about the non-ER 772.

hikouki

October 23rd, 2009, 08:49 AM

^^ If I'm not mistaken, the MNL-AMS flight has always been a 77W flight. The 772 doesn't have the range to fly MNL-AMS.

Huh? AMS-MNL-AMS started out as all 77E service. IIRC, it wasn't daily (5x weekly?) when they made it nonstop then eventually made it daily 77E. They even moved departure time from evening (inherited from the 74Ms) to AM. Then they offered thrice weekly 77E service alternating with four times weekly 77W.

I know this because during those days when services were still alternating between the 77E and 77W, economy ticket prices differed by a few hundred dollars. Promo tickets were almost only sold on the 77W-operated flights because seats were narrower and the plane, according to KLM had "better economics" over the 77E..

arianespace

October 23rd, 2009, 11:31 AM

^^
It was 5x on the 74 and 7x on the 77 but its quite common to see 77E before the final transition last year. When the 77W (PH-BVA) arrived in February, it flew to MNL alternating with the 7E. But even when VB, VC and VD joined their fleet this year we can still see the Q registries visiting often so its safe to conclude that its still an EQV destination. It used to be only two 7w then 4 then 5x now and for the rest of the winter schedule. So you can still see few Q's. KLM intends to completely upgrade its equipment to daily by summer hopefully.

Had the recession not taken place it could have had 10x service by this time with the 7E for the evening flight all the way for a double daily by 2012. Tough times call for tough measures.

Honestly, I preferred the evening flight because it had plenty of connections to Europe in the morning as compared to 6pm arrival at AMS on the morning MNL flight. I did connect from AMS-LCY on a business trip once. The experience is way better than LHR.

arianespace

October 23rd, 2009, 12:17 PM

^^
22 October 2009

Subject: SUSPENSION OF OPERATIONS :ohno:

Sincerely yours,

AIR MACAU

I didn't realized that LCC is killing them on that route until this announcement. There was indeed overcapacity between the two points after the code share deal was severed by PAL and with Cebu Pacific flying the route capacity grew 3 times more with only a few limited market to served and with airlines flying empty seats aggravated by recession, it won't be long that decision such as this would come out. I hope they will return eventually but that would be too optimistic.The good thing is code share was restored and this time it would be PAL flying for both of them. The last flight of Air Macau is on the 25th arriving at 7:45pm. On the 26th onwards expect to fly PAL for both and daily flight too soon. So its still a win-win situation just like Vietnam Airlines.:)

seven13

October 23rd, 2009, 01:16 PM

what time is the "busy" time in NAIA, hikouki mentioned at around noon since a lot of Asian carriers arrive here. Can someone give me the exact time period? And which runway is usually used for arriving, 06 or 24? Thanks!

Sky Harbor

October 23rd, 2009, 01:31 PM

That's right, a 772ER was used previously between MNL and AMS. Their maximum ranges differ only slightly (less than 200 miles). I think they were talking about the non-ER 772.

Oh. I thought the 772, not the 77E. Someone wasn't being specific enough.

Sky Harbor

October 23rd, 2009, 02:07 PM

Again, from the PEx grapevine: Air Philippines is BACK, flying MNL-WNP every Friday.

Backtrack: the flight was removed from the PR timetable.

tigidig14

October 23rd, 2009, 02:39 PM

I thought all concorde aircrafts has been grounded already after that last fatal incident? Wow, I guess Airfrance still fly em, just not in the US airspace.

Just what tigs stated in his post, he said "he caught on a right timing a concorde was flying out" in tagalog, unless he was that monument from a distance and thought it was actually moving..lol

^^ Seems it's flying. the landing gear is not visible in tigidig's photo.:D

i knew that was just a monument. i just happened to take a pics in that seemingly flying angle:lol:

mwg12a

October 23rd, 2009, 03:37 PM

Langya, nadengoy pa kami ni phfindr19. Itong si tigidig talaga !!

a s i a n a

October 23rd, 2009, 03:53 PM

^^ The 77E sits more people than the 77W, although in terms of seating capacity, the 77W is SQ's smallest plane.

Are you sure with your statement? Can't resist to post... 77W is not SQ's smallest aircraft. 333 is. SQ's 772s have larger seating capacity than the 77W because the latter is configured with more spacious F, J and Y classes.

Sky Harbor

October 23rd, 2009, 04:23 PM

^^ The 77W seats 278 passengers, while the A333 and 77E seat 285. The 772 seats either 288 or 323 passengers, depending on configuration. Note that I said "in terms of seating capacity", which should be taken as absolute seating capacity (I am aware that a 77W is much larger than an A333).

hybridace101

October 23rd, 2009, 05:31 PM

Are you sure with your statement? Can't resist to post... 77W is not SQ's smallest aircraft. 333 is. SQ's 772s have larger seating capacity than the 77W because the latter is configured with more spacious F, J and Y classes.

You also have to understand that the 77Ws also have more new business class seats (42) compared to 30 in the 77Es. These business class seats are wider. Don't forget that there are 1st class seats which each take-up a considerable amount of space.

Sky Harbor

October 23rd, 2009, 05:40 PM

^^ Again, I meant absolute seating capacity of the aircraft in question. Yes, I know that there are more business class seats in the 77Ws than in the 77Es, and the first class seats are a factor as well. It just so happens that in terms of the absolute seating capacity of these planes vis-a-vis SQ's fleet, the planes they send are small.

pthfndr19

October 23rd, 2009, 07:15 PM

Langya, nadengoy pa kami ni phfindr19. Itong si tigidig talaga !!

^^wahahaha.:lol: si tigidig talaga oh...:bash: kala ko rin kasi palipad e di ko kasi makita ang gulong sa picture..baka in-edit mo tigidig para maging mukhang lumilipad.:lol:

pthfndr19

October 23rd, 2009, 07:16 PM

Igsuonnimo

October 23rd, 2009, 07:38 PM

Lifetime free flights for baby born on plane (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091023/od_afp/malaysiaairasiaairlineoffbeat)
AFP

Fri Oct 23, 3:49 am ET

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KUALA LUMPUR (AFP) – A baby boy who made a surprise arrival on board an AirAsia flight this week will be given free flights for life with the budget carrier, as will his mother, the airline said Friday.

AirAsia said 31-year-old passenger Liew Siaw Hsia went into labour on Wednesday's flight from the northern island of Penang to Kuching on Borneo island.

The aircraft made an emergency diversion to the Malaysian capital but the baby arrived just before landing, delivered by a doctor who was on board and who was assisted by the airline's flight attendants.

"The baby was safely delivered when flight AK 6506 was approaching Kuala Lumpur for landing at 2,000 feet," the airline said in a statement, adding that mother and baby were taken to a nearby hospital following touchdown.

"To celebrate this momentous occasion, we decided to present both mother and child with free flights for life," said AirAsia's director of operations Moses Devanayagam after visiting them in hospital.

http://photos-p.friendster.com/photos/36/74/19014763/2_278886486l.jpg

News and photos courtesy of Yahoo!® News

Noize_320

October 24th, 2009, 02:24 AM

^^ aww...ako sana yun :lol:

kiretoce

October 24th, 2009, 02:30 AM

aww...ako sana yun :lol:

Wouldn't it be funny (by a cruel twist of fate) that that boy is onboard on one of Air Asia's flights some time in the future and it crashes and ends his life. So much for having free flights for life. :lol:

hybridace101

October 24th, 2009, 02:33 AM

Well congratulations to them! At least they can have as many day flights between KUL and SIN as they want. Hope they enjoy the best low cost airline in the world.

seven13

October 24th, 2009, 03:06 AM

Wouldn't it be funny (by a cruel twist of fate) that that boy is onboard on one of Air Asia's flights some time in the future and it crashes and ends his life. So much for having free flights for life. :lol:

I hope it will not happen

Sky Harbor

October 24th, 2009, 03:59 AM

I wonder if local LCCs will give the same perks. Hopefully Cebu Pacific or Zest will be as generous as AirAsia. :D

kiretoce

October 24th, 2009, 04:03 AM

^^ They'll go belly-up in no time flat; due in part to the rampant unchecked population growth rate of the Philippines. ;)

Sky Harbor

October 24th, 2009, 04:07 AM

^^ But most of this country's population growth is found in sectors of the population too poor to afford air travel! :lol:

kiretoce

October 24th, 2009, 04:10 AM

^^ The poor are not the only ones having lots of babies. ;) Plus, you also have the cheapskates and opportunistic kinds of people in society, regardless of their station in life. :colgate:

Sky Harbor

October 24th, 2009, 04:32 AM

^^ But wait a minute here: aren't pregnant women who are over seven months pregnant automatically ineligible to travel?

kiretoce

October 24th, 2009, 04:34 AM

^^ That's the rule. But some people can still get away with it.

Airlines have their own flight restrictions for pregnant women, which can vary according to whether you are flying domestically or internationally and which airline you will be flying. Some airlines won’t allow you to travel for 30 days before your due date, while others won’t let you on board if your due date is less than seven days away. Be sure to ask the ticket agent when you book your ticket just what their restrictions are since they probably won’t mention it otherwise.

SOURCE (http://www.pregnancy-info.net/wellbeing_flying.html)

kubwak

October 24th, 2009, 04:47 AM

Sleeping on the Job (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/world/view/20091024-232019/US-probes-pilots-who-overshot-airport-by-240-kms) :sleepy:
courtesy of inquirer.net

US probes pilots who overshot airport by 240 kms

WASHINGTON -- US aviation officials and the FBI probed Friday how pilots of an airplane with 149 people aboard managed to overshoot their destination by 150 miles (240 kilometers), prompting fears of a hijacking.

The US National Transportation Safety Board said controllers lost radio contact late Wednesday with the Northwest Airlines flight heading from San Diego, California to Minneapolis, Minnesota.

A Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) spokesman in Minneapolis confirmed that the agency had launched its own investigation into the incident, but declined to comment further.

Passengers reported being unaware of any mishap until police boarded the plane when it eventually landed at Minneapolis Airport more than an hour behind schedule.

"The crew stated they were in a heated discussion over airline policy and they lost situational awareness," the safety board said, although a source close to the investigation said the crew had not yet been independently interviewed.

The plane's cockpit voice recorder and flight data recorder were being sent to Washington for analysis.

Northwest Airlines reportedly suspended the pilots from flying as the probe got under way.

During the 78-minute radio silence officials initially feared the pilots were in distress or the plane had been hijacked.

"When you aren't speaking to a commercial airliner, that's a big issue for us," said Federal Aviation Administration spokesman Tony Molinari told the Minneapolis Star-Tribune.

"We see them on the radar, but not being able to talk to them is a problem."

The paper reported that military fighter jets were readied to chase down the plane, which was travelling at its highest cruising altitude of 37,000 feet (11,300 meters) before contact was reestablished.

"The descent to the airport normally begins about 150 miles before the airport and they flew 150 miles behind it, so that is very curious," former federal aviation investigator Bill Voss told AFP.

"Many people are skeptical about the pilot's explanation that they were in heated arguments. There would have been many visual cues on the flight director... Another possibility, of course, is fatigue and they could have fallen asleep."

But Northwest Airlines pilot Richard Cole on Friday denied any naps were taken.

"I can assure you none of us was asleep," Cole told ABC News, adding that he was "not doing very good."

Voss said Wednesday's drama brought to mind a February 2008 incident in which a Go! Airlines plane overshot Honolulu's main airport by 15 miles (24 km).

The pilots were later fired after they admitted to falling asleep.

pi_malejana

October 24th, 2009, 08:16 AM

Sleeping on the Job (http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/world/view/20091024-232019/US-probes-pilots-who-overshot-airport-by-240-kms) :sleepy:
courtesy of inquirer.net

US probes pilots who overshot airport by 240 kms

that usually happens for pilots who only earn $20-25K/yr... mababa pa masyado so they tend to have part time jobs... ganun ang ata ang theory for the co-pilot of the ill-fated continental flight that crashed in Buffalo...:(

ianers_ianized

October 24th, 2009, 08:21 AM

So the noon flight is now operated by the 9V-SV* series, how about the other three flights? Are they still operated almost exclusively by the 9V-SQ* series?

They're also operated by 9VSV- series.
9VSQ- series left Manila since mid-August.

If Candice Iyog was the Secretary of Transportation, I'd bet Iloilo, Bacolod, Tacloban, Cagayan de Oro, Tagbilaran and Legazpi would not have new airports, as apparently she's content with not having jet bridges because they're a "hassle". :lol:

I agree, she is pro-LOW COST service... hehe..

^^ If I'm not mistaken, the MNL-AMS flight has always been a 77W flight. The 772 doesn't have the range to fly MNL-AMS.

They use both B772ER and B773ER on their MNL flights.

really? do they use the ERs in Manila regularly?..Manila is awfully close to be using an ER?...maybe just SQ aircraft availability or utilasation.

Yes, TG and CX also uses the B772ERs in MNL. Most of the time 3 ERs were together side by side by EK, SQ and CX on gates 5,6 and 7. EK is mostly a B773ER. QR also uses B773er regularly on MNL flights here's a pic...

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/ianers_ianized/SQFamily081.jpg

bitoy

October 24th, 2009, 08:50 AM

that usually happens for pilots who only earn $20-25K/yr... mababa pa masyado so they tend to have part time jobs... ganun ang ata ang theory for the co-pilot of the ill-fated continental flight that crashed in Buffalo...:(

Ganoon ba yun? kaya pala nung nag overshot kami mas malayo at sa ibang state na kami pinulot. :lol:

reason: very much underpaid :rofl:

hikouki

October 24th, 2009, 09:54 AM

They're also operated by 9VSV- series.
9VSQ- series left Manila since mid-August.

Cool! Even the economy seats on the 9V-SV* series have better seat pitch than the 9V-SR* and 9V-SQ* series. Plus, you are guaranteed AVOD since the earlier ~SR* and ~SQ* birds only have non-AVOD PTVs.

Yes, TG and CX also uses the B772ERs in MNL. Most of the time 3 ERs were together side by side by EK, SQ and CX on gates 5,6 and 7. EK is mostly a B773ER. QR also uses B773er regularly on MNL flights here's a pic...

All five CX 777-200s are 777-200 'A' models (772), not ERs (77E).

I know that TG has 77Es (reg HS-TGR ~W) that occasionally sub for MNL/KIX flights, but I believe those that are regularly scheduled here are the 772s (reg. HS-TGA ~ H).

IIRC, SQ 777-200s are all ERs. It is just that the 9V-SQ* and 9V-SR* series are 'de-rated' to perform as non-ERs.

pi_malejana

October 24th, 2009, 09:55 AM

Ganoon ba yun? kaya pala nung nag overshot kami mas malayo at sa ibang state na kami pinulot. :lol:

reason: very much underpaid :rofl:

anu naman pong nakakatuwa dun??:dunno:

hikouki

October 24th, 2009, 10:00 AM

mwg12a

October 24th, 2009, 10:39 AM

^^ But wait a minute here: aren't pregnant women who are over seven months pregnant automatically ineligible to travel?

What proof do they ask for that a woman is indeed below 7 months into their pregnancy? A mere doctor's certificate?
[You need the benefit of an ultrasound plus clinical correlation with actual physical examination findings written on a report.]
I don't think there is any FAA mandate about prego women who can and cannot travel. (Or is there really?? I'm also curious to find out because at the back of my mind I think there is) I think its the medical experts or OB-GYN(Obstetricians mostly) usually approve their client's fitness to travel as there are women has alot of difficulties in their pregnancies while most are normally okay.

Wouldn't it be funny (by a cruel twist of fate) that that boy is onboard on one of Air Asia's flights some time in the future and it crashes and ends his life. So much for having free flights for life. :lol:

Damn, that is some sort of a morbid way of thinking, crude if you may, but it can happen, knock knock on wood. :lol: :lol: :lol:

arianespace

October 24th, 2009, 11:22 AM

^^
The logic for refusal of carriage of pregnant woman, particularly if she is on her 9th month, is anchored primarily on her safety since while flight crews are trained to handle first aid, they are not medically equip and trained for this eventualities in the air and she might die along the way. The second reason for that is airline cost, as such incident in the air, more so in medium or long haul flight, requires mandatory diversion of the plane to the nearest airport for medical evacuation. That is a protocol. Third, airline liability from suit, as they can be sued for negligence in case something happen to her or her baby during labor. Fourth, safety of other passengers is compromised because it was already a known risk.

So if airline carry those responsibilities, most likely than not they will end up paying damages should something bad happen in the air. That is why most airlines screened pregnant passengers for this and asked medical certificate for this purpose. Actually, the purpose of the medical certificate is to ascertain the risk associated with the pregnancy and if airline is willing to carry her on that assumed risk. Sometimes, a persistent pregnant woman will be made to sign a waiver of liability should untoward incident happen to her in the air but she will always be denied boarding on medium to long haul flight if she is on the 9th month unless previous arrangement has been made with the airline.

However, most airline adopt the more conservative approach of no boarding unless it is actually for medical reasons especially those bound for medium and long haul destinations because of the associated risk involved. But for short hops in less than two hours flying time, it is not strictly enforced as medical help is immediately available upon landing.

Expect airlines to be more strict if you are flying more than 6 hours and be liberal when flying an hour hop away.

So that is how it basically works.

mwg12a

October 24th, 2009, 11:27 AM

Ah, thank you.

I guess it is subjected to the airline's guidelines and such?

I use to have a pinay friend who needed to travel down to Mexico when her and her hubby's visas expired. She was over 8 mos pregnant but she went there anyway just to get processed. But this was more than 8 years ago. Everything went well somehow. We were just afraid she would give birth down there in Mexico, you know? you get worried and paranoid.

jogavilz

October 24th, 2009, 11:55 AM

^^if a child is born mid-air and if it's an international flight, what will be the place of birth of the child?

Noize_320

October 24th, 2009, 01:42 PM

^^ siguro according to the nationality of the airline...guess lang :D:D:D

hybridace101

October 24th, 2009, 02:14 PM

arianespace

October 24th, 2009, 02:21 PM

^^ siguro according to the nationality of the airline...guess lang :D:D:D

That is a good guess which is correct.

An aircraft or vessel is an extension of the territory of the country to which flag it is registered. Whatever the law of that country is as to citizenship will be bestowed on the child more so if they were flying on international airspace.

bitoy

October 24th, 2009, 05:23 PM

anu naman pong nakakatuwa dun??:dunno:

We are all underpaid in the military. :D
That NW flight was being tracked on radar and 2 USAF jets were almost send to intercept but they knew that there was no threat on the stupidity of those 2 pilots.

Sky Harbor

October 24th, 2009, 06:08 PM

Zest has mucho explaining to do. Apologies from the flight attendants isn't enough. >(

dashalvin

October 24th, 2009, 07:23 PM

Care to share what had happened Sky?

Sky Harbor

October 24th, 2009, 07:56 PM

^^ Wait for the TR.

pi_malejana

October 24th, 2009, 07:59 PM

We are all underpaid in the military. :D
That NW flight was being tracked on radar and 2 USAF jets were almost send to intercept but they knew that there was no threat on the stupidity of those 2 pilots.

ahh ganun po ba??:D probably not as bad though as compared to regional airline pilots, is it...??
imagine those who seat on the right seat are only paid $15k/yr on their first year..:ohno:

bitoy

October 24th, 2009, 08:11 PM

ahh ganun po ba??:D probably not as bad though as compared to regional airline pilots, is it...??
imagine those who seat on the right seat are only paid $15k/yr on their first year..:ohno:

$15k/yr?, I thought NW pay their first officer with a starting monthly salary of $2,200.
Marami kasing former military na nasa commercial airline, I forgot on how they calculate those per diem allowances. Parang the longer the flight, the more extra $ they get.

Suwerte yung isa, nag retire tapos after a few years piloto or instructor ng mga executive jets ng mga mayayaman dun and now meron na yatang sariling charter service.

pi_malejana

October 24th, 2009, 08:22 PM

$15k/yr?, I thought NW pay their first officer with a starting monthly salary of $2,200.
Marami kasing former military na nasa commercial airline, I forgot on how they calculate those per diem allowances. Parang the longer the flight, the more extra $ they get.

Suwerte yung isa, nag retire tapos after a few years piloto or instructor ng mga executive jets ng mga mayayaman dun and now meron na yatang sariling charter service.

NW yeah they pay a lot... kaya nga sabi nung prof namin major airline na daw un pero may nangyari pang ganun... perhaps it wasn't the pay this time...:dunno:
pero ung mga regional lang like american eagle, com air, etc, mababa... and with all the student loans, apartment, and other expenses, di kakayanin yun unless makitira muna sa parents and get a part time job...:D

di ba pagka galing military mas malaki ang chance na makapasok sa isang airline?? why don't you do that?? o kaya maging CFI ka na lang tapos turuan mo ako para naman makalibre ako, ang mahal kasi dito...:lol:

:cheers:

pthfndr19

October 24th, 2009, 08:41 PM

SEAIR offers flights to Marinduque

abs-cbnNEWS.com

MANILA - Southeast Asian Airlines (SEAIR) has opened a new route to Marinduque, giving the province's tourism industry a boost.

SEAIR said it now flies from Manila to Marinduque every Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday and Sunday.

Marinduque lies south of Quezon, east of Mindoro and north of Romblon. It features untouched beaches and islets, underwater caves, coral reefs, and therapeutic sulfur springs. The island is also popular for the annual Moriones Festival, one of the country's most colorful festivals celebrated during Holy Week.

"SEAIR is doing a unique service to the country in support of its tourism development goals. We are committed to the mission of bringing travelers from the Philippines’ gateways to its many island destinations," said its president Avelino Zapanta.

SEAIR is currently offering up to 27 flights per day to Boracay, and will start daily flights to the island paradise of Batanes on November 10. The airline also recently opened its paradise-to-paradise route from Puerto Princesa to Boracay and vice versa.

SEAIR, the nation's second-oldest airline, has flown almost three million passengers to local destinations including El Nido, Puerto Princesa, Tablas (Romblon), Clark, Zamboanga, Jolo, and Tawi-tawi.

bitoy

October 24th, 2009, 08:46 PM

NW yeah they pay a lot... kaya nga sabi nung prof namin major airline na daw un pero may nangyari pang ganun... perhaps it wasn't the pay this time...:dunno:
pero ung mga regional lang like american eagle, com air, etc, mababa... and with all the student loans, apartment, and other expenses, di kakayanin yun unless makitira muna sa parents and get a part time job...:D

di ba pagka galing military mas malaki ang chance na makapasok sa isang airline?? why don't you do that?? o kaya maging CFI ka na lang tapos turuan mo ako para naman makalibre ako, ang mahal kasi dito...:lol:

:cheers:

I wish I could, ang mahal kasi talaga ng flight school, kaya I hinted to you to join the service para meron kang pangastos, but pag matiyaga ka, certain jobs related to flying might help you get your certification in the future.
Yung pinsan ko, frustrated na piloto, he took up flying a helicopter lesson na lang sa Hawaii, I don't know if he was able to work on a sight-seeing tour there. Meron malaking problema kasi, medyo tumaba siya... as in hindi na magkasya sa cockpit, baka sa helo hindi na rin magkasya. :lol:

mwg12a

October 24th, 2009, 08:51 PM

di ba pagka galing military mas malaki ang chance na makapasok sa isang airline?? why don't you do that?? o kaya maging CFI ka na lang tapos turuan mo ako para naman makalibre ako, ang mahal kasi dito...:lol:

:cheers:

Neyvie si Mah-nong bitoy, hindi puedeng lumipad ang barko LOL

Makakapasok ka sa mga airlines kung airforce pilot or pilot ka na talaga ofcourse pero, mag train pa rin yuon mga yon. Kahit mga Q400 o ATR, kailangan mag train talaga, lalo na kung boeing aircrafts. Airbus medyo isang train lang sa lahat maliban na lang sa A380. Kaya hindi dahil na piloto ka na sa military, automatic na puede ka nang mag operate ng commercial airliners.

Sayang piloto sana ang gusto ko paglaki ko, kaso, bilbil lang ang lumalaki sa akin. he he:nuts::nuts:

pi_malejana

October 24th, 2009, 09:39 PM

I wish I could, ang mahal kasi talaga ng flight school, kaya I hinted to you to join the service para meron kang pangastos, but pag matiyaga ka, certain jobs related to flying might help you get your certification in the future.
Yung pinsan ko, frustrated na piloto, he took up flying a helicopter lesson na lang sa Hawaii, I don't know if he was able to work on a sight-seeing tour there. Meron malaking problema kasi, medyo tumaba siya... as in hindi na magkasya sa cockpit, baka sa helo hindi na rin magkasya. :lol:

ang kinaganda lang kasi dito sa school namin, may payment plans ang flight school... tapos once you get you CFI certificate (usually pagka junior na), you automatically belong in the college's CFI... kaya kahit wala ka pang trabaho as a commercial/ATP pilot, pwede ka munang mag start as an instructor ng school; and i heard ayus lang din ang pay... tapos since malapit lang ako sa school, no need for apartments, etc..:D

Neyvie si Mah-nong bitoy, hindi puedeng lumipad ang barko LOL

Makakapasok ka sa mga airlines kung airforce pilot or pilot ka na talaga ofcourse pero, mag train pa rin yuon mga yon. Kahit mga Q400 o ATR, kailangan mag train talaga, lalo na kung boeing aircrafts. Airbus medyo isang train lang sa lahat maliban na lang sa A380. Kaya hindi dahil na piloto ka na sa military, automatic na puede ka nang mag operate ng commercial airliners.

Sayang piloto sana ang gusto ko paglaki ko, kaso, bilbil lang ang lumalaki sa akin. he he:nuts::nuts:

:lol:bapor ba?!?!:lol::nuts: kala ko kasi AF...:D what did you choose instead?? masaya ka naman ata eh, tignan mo LMAO ka ng LMAO hehehe...:D

:cheers:

kiretoce

October 24th, 2009, 10:45 PM

That is a good guess which is correct.

An aircraft or vessel is an extension of the territory of the country to which flag it is registered. Whatever the law of that country is as to citizenship will be bestowed on the child more so if they were flying on international airspace.

That is correct. Whatever the country of origin the carrier is from, that's the citizenship of a child born inflight. Although OT: the same is true with embassies and consulates of foreign nations, it's sovereign soil not applicable to the rules and laws of the host nation.

mwg12a

October 25th, 2009, 12:21 AM

:lol:bapor ba?!?!:lol::nuts: kala ko kasi AF...:D what did you choose instead?? masaya ka naman ata eh, tignan mo LMAO ka ng LMAO hehehe...:D

:cheers:

If I tell you, I would have to kill you after......:lol::lol::lol::nuts:

I'm in health field. I may still be able to get a pilot license if I go to a flying school here in town but that's just for cessna type of aircrafts only. I would love to be able to atleast fly a 727 or an A320.

That is correct. Whatever the country of origin the carrier is from, that's the citizenship of a child born inflight. Although OT: the same is true with embassies and consulates of foreign nations, it's sovereign soil not applicable to the rules and laws of the host nation.

Korekek El Senor matador!!!

hybridace101

October 25th, 2009, 12:29 AM

That is correct. Whatever the country of origin the carrier is from, that's the citizenship of a child born inflight.

Not necessarily. As I said, KLM doesn't offer dutch citizenship to children who are born on their flights anymore.

Maybe I'm guessing US carriers will pay extra attention to pregnant aliens to avoid an unnecessary boost of citizens.

pi_malejana

October 25th, 2009, 12:36 AM

If I tell you, I would have to kill you after......:lol::lol::lol::nuts:

I'm in health field. I may still be able to get a pilot license if I go to a flying school here in town but that's just for cessna type of aircrafts only. I would love to be able to atleast fly a 727 or an A320.

:lol: oops now i'm dead...
sige go!! kaya mo yan!! if you're really interested kahit general aviation lang exciting din...:okay:

swahi

October 25th, 2009, 01:54 AM

I heard though that long ago, those born on KLM flights have an option of Dutch citizenship. They don't anymore. I read not too long ago of a Filipina who gave birth while on board KLM. Lucky a doctor was on-board.

Dutch follow "jus sanguinis", which is like the Philippines, following the citizenship of the parents. Being born in the Netherlands doesn't make you a dutch citizen.

Sky Harbor

October 25th, 2009, 03:27 AM

danielcarlostan

October 25th, 2009, 10:45 AM

I actually did catch Qatar Airways once while exiting C5. I don't think i've posted it in this forum so i'll post it now.

http://i667.photobucket.com/albums/vv39/flywithmeric/Qatar.jpg

As to forming a plane spotters group here in Manila, I don't mind actually. Let's see if there are other people interested.

count me in...

kubwak

October 25th, 2009, 12:57 PM

anybody know the Davao ETD/ETA of this flight?

TIA

http://i35.tinypic.com/fdbt45.jpg
*pic courtesy of noize_320

davao planespotters on the prowl :banana:

Blueleo

October 25th, 2009, 01:33 PM

Ninoy Aquino International Airport (NAIA) Terminal 2

http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu101/blueleo101/IMG_0342.jpg

http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu101/blueleo101/IMG_0340-1.jpg

http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu101/blueleo101/IMG_0346.jpg

http://i638.photobucket.com/albums/uu101/blueleo101/IMG_0347.jpg

Blueleo

October 25th, 2009, 01:46 PM

anybody know the Davao ETD/ETA of this flight?

TIA

http://i35.tinypic.com/fdbt45.jpg
*pic courtesy of noize_320

davao planespotters on the prowl :banana:

Cebu - Davao
ETD 6:05 ETA 6:55

Davao - Cebu
ETD 6:25 ETA 7:15

http://www.philippineairlines.com/Images/Domestic_Summer_22October2009_tcm61-15754.pdf

kubwak

October 25th, 2009, 02:03 PM

winter timetable (http://www.philippineairlines.com/Images/Domestic_Winter_22October2009_tcm61-15755.pdf) na pala ang ginagamit nila ngayon at hindi a340 ang pr409 :soapbox:

sayang

ianers_ianized

October 25th, 2009, 05:36 PM

22 October 2009
Subject: SUSPENSION OF OPERATIONS :ohno:

Dear Valued Partners:

We would like to inform you that due to commercial and economic reasons, all Air Macau flights Macau-Manila-Macau are SUSPENDED effective 25October 2009 (Winter Schedule 2009) until further notice.

Air Macau must acknowledge with gratitude the support you have given to Air Macau operations into Manila since 1997. Air Macau trusts that harmonious relationship shall be maintained during the suspension of flight operations and more significantly for route resumption in the near future.

Kindly inform all concerned.

Sincerely yours,
AIR MACAU

It's so sad to see NX leaving MNL. I hope its just temporary.

Mithril Cloud

October 26th, 2009, 06:05 AM

Approaching Runway 24:

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/ryucloud/mc_rp-c8600.jpg
Philippine Airlines Airbus A319-112 RP-C8600

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/ryucloud/mc_rp-c8601.jpg
Philippine Airlines Airbus A319-112 RP-C8601

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/ryucloud/mc_rp-c7252.jpg
Cebu Pacific ATR 72-500 RP-C7252

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j74/ryucloud/mc_rp-c3247.jpg
Cebu Pacific Airbus A320-214 RP-C3247

Sky Harbor

October 26th, 2009, 06:07 AM

^^ I don't think I'll be a big fan of the new watermark, but you have to go what you've got to do.

Mithril Cloud

October 26th, 2009, 06:07 AM

Sorry about the watermark. I really don't want to do that but the recent incident with PNR left me with no choice.

pi_malejana

October 26th, 2009, 06:30 AM

Sorry about the watermark. I really don't want to do that but the recent incident with PNR left me with no choice.

:(
they're still good shots though...:okay:

hybridace101

October 26th, 2009, 06:38 AM

PAL just came out with "Halloween Madness" fares: http://www.philippineairlines.com/special_offers/promofares/halloween.jsp

Blueleo

October 26th, 2009, 02:38 PM

^^^ At first Akala ko mag offer sila ng 99 pesos promo for domestic flights,lolz
99 USD pala for international flights.
Masyado ako na excite last saturday sa facebook fan group ng PAL.

Mahal pa rin ang offer ng PAL kasi naka-book ako sa Cebu pacific papuntang hongkong last March na P1,200.00 roundtrip na airfare. :)

Sou-jiro

October 26th, 2009, 04:47 PM

offtopic found this on Youtube (credits to pinoyaggie)

A quick glimpse of PALs first 777-300ER from Boeing Hangars

uZXhjGNF5qw

swahi

October 26th, 2009, 04:54 PM

Garuda on the right track based on this article, opposite that of what's going on with PAL during this present global crisis.

http://business.blogs.cnn.com/2009/10/13/a-turnaround-flight-on-garuda-indonesia/

A turnaround flight on Garuda Indonesia
Posted: 2333 GMT

Five years ago, Garuda Indonesia was an airline that seemed to be on a path of constant turbulence. It was losing money year after year, battling allegations of corruption within the state-owned enterprise and stained with a questionable safety record. Today, Garuda is a symbol of what's possible in the difficult airline industry. You need a leader with focus.

Emirsyah Satar, 50, is the CEO of Garuda. Now in his fifth year as the head of the national airline, he has turned Garuda from problematic to profitable through staged planning. “In the first two years, just surviving was good enough. And then the next two years was the turnaround stage,” he said. Now the airline is embarking on the growth stage.

The son of an Indonesian diplomat who grew up in Mexico City and Prague, Satar went on to become a banker and then the CEO of Bank Danamon, Indonesia's fifth largest bank. In 2005, he was brought to Garuda as President and CEO and he made drastic changes from the start.

"What happened in 2005, the business model was just not working,” Satar said. It increased accountability at all levels in the organization. And in the short term, Satar decided less was more: “We got out of routes where we were losing money … it was ok if we reduced our market so we could become profitable again."

He positioned Garuda as a “premium airline” and told his staff not to worry about local competition. With a domestic population of 240 million people, he bet focus on the cream of the crop would keep Garuda afloat while it restructured. His bet paid off, in part because Indonesia sidestepped the brunt of the global downturn thanks to the strength of its domestic market: Indonesia's economy is still growing at around 4 percent.

While Garuda is still juggling $700 million in debt, the state-owned enterprise has been able to turn a profit the past two years. Satar has plans to make what he calls a "quantum leap." By 2014, he wants to bring the fleet from the current 66 to 116 aircraft.

The big challenge now is getting a stalled IPO back on track. Satar had wanted to bring Garuda public this year, but the global downturn put a halt to that. Now he's shooting for an IPO for June 2010. The airline is also in the process of restructuring its debt, which Satar hopes to have completed by the end of this month.

Then there was the issue of safety. In the past decade, a string of crashes involving various Indonesian airlines eroded the public trust in Indonesian air safety. In March 2007, a Garuda plane overshot a runway in Yogyakarta and crashed, killing 21 people. In June 2007, the European Union banned all Indonesian airlines in European airspace. Satar hired an American consultant and and cracked down on safety issues. In July of this year, the EU lifted the ban on certain airlines included Garuda.

The airline now plans to get into the long-haul market, starting with an Indonesia-Amsterdam route by June 2010. That will be followed by routes to Frankfurt, London, Paris, Rome and eventually in 2012, Los Angeles.

"We (Garuda) travel to Australia, Japan, Korea, China and these people still travel. And Bali is still a good attraction," Satar said.

Posted by: CNN Correspondent, Pauline Chiou

leechtat

October 26th, 2009, 05:33 PM

Sorry about the watermark. I really don't want to do that but the recent incident with PNR left me with no choice.

^^ nice photos man. maybe you can up the transparency on your watermark.

boom_box

October 26th, 2009, 06:50 PM

Sorry about the watermark. I really don't want to do that but the recent incident with PNR left me with no choice.

why not reduce opacity on the watermark... :)

Mithril Cloud

October 26th, 2009, 07:07 PM

I have to make it edit-proof, sorry. But thanks for the feedback. :)

FlashCollider

October 27th, 2009, 02:27 AM

swahi

October 27th, 2009, 02:31 AM

How does this work with PAL and PAL express? PAL express goes back to Air Phil again?

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cebu/air-phil-uses-turboprop-fleet

AIR Philippines will operate eight Bombardier turboprop aircraft leased from Philippine Airlines (PAL) effective today.

The turboprop fleet will fly to 19 towns and cities, operating out of two hubs —Manila and Cebu. The airline will focus on delivering safe, affordable and quality service.

A new management team was appointed to implement the airline’s new business model. David Lim, Air Philippines’ new president, and Cesar Chiong, executive vice
president and chief operating officer, were tasked to fast-track the airline’s conversion to a low-cost business model using a leaner workforce.

The turboprop fleet consists of the state-of-the-art Canadian-built Bombardier Q-series that boasts of the latest in noise and vibration reduction technology. The 50-seater Q300 and 76-seater Q400 aircraft offer generous legroom and a very quiet cabin. “Q” stands for “quiet.”

Air Philipines serves the following destinations out of its hub in Manila: Tuguegarao, San Jose (Mindoro Occidental), Naga, Virac, Busuanga, Catar-man, Calbayog, Ormoc and Surigao. From Cebu, Air Philippines flies to Kalibo, Iloilo, Bacolod, Tacloban, Butuan, Ozamiz, Cagayan de Oro, Gen. Santos, Zamboanga and from Zamboanga to Davao.

ianers_ianized

October 27th, 2009, 04:18 AM

offtopic found this on Youtube (credits to pinoyaggie)

A quick glimpse of PALs first 777-300ER from Boeing Hangars

uZXhjGNF5qw

Everything is ready to go. I hope to catch a pic of it when it arrive in MNL. I hope its daytime whenit arrives. Nov.18 right?

How does this work with PAL and PAL express? PAL express goes back to Air Phil again?

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cebu/air-phil-uses-turboprop-fleet

AIR Philippines will operate eight Bombardier turboprop aircraft leased from Philippine Airlines (PAL) effective today.

The turboprop fleet will fly to 19 towns and cities, operating out of two hubs —Manila and Cebu. The airline will focus on delivering safe, affordable and quality service.

A new management team was appointed to implement the airline’s new business model. David Lim, Air Philippines’ new president, and Cesar Chiong, executive vice
president and chief operating officer, were tasked to fast-track the airline’s conversion to a low-cost business model using a leaner workforce.

The turboprop fleet consists of the state-of-the-art Canadian-built Bombardier Q-series that boasts of the latest in noise and vibration reduction technology. The 50-seater Q300 and 76-seater Q400 aircraft offer generous legroom and a very quiet cabin. “Q” stands for “quiet.”

Air Philipines serves the following destinations out of its hub in Manila: Tuguegarao, San Jose (Mindoro Occidental), Naga, Virac, Busuanga, Catar-man, Calbayog, Ormoc and Surigao. From Cebu, Air Philippines flies to Kalibo, Iloilo, Bacolod, Tacloban, Butuan, Ozamiz, Cagayan de Oro, Gen. Santos, Zamboanga and from Zamboanga to Davao.

So where will PALExpress go? I'm confused, I hope someone will clarufy this.

Sky Harbor

October 27th, 2009, 04:21 AM

ngprofflorida

October 27th, 2009, 04:40 AM

8 new Air Philippines planes for domestic flights

INQUIRER.net

First Posted 07:59:00 10/27/2009

Filed Under: Travel & Commuting, Air Transport

Global Nation Most Read RSS
Close this MANILA, Philippines — Air Philippines will operate eight Bombardier turboprop aircraft leased from Philippine Airlines (PAL) effective October 27, 2009, it was learned Tuesday.

The turboprop fleet will fly to 19 towns and cities, operating out of two hubs—Manila and Cebu. The airline will follow a new business model focusing on delivering safe, affordable, and quality service a statement from Air Philippines said.

A new management team was appointed to implement the airline’s new business model. David Lim, Air Philippines’ new president, and Cesar Chiong, EVP and COO, were tasked to fast track the airline’s conversion to a low-cost business model using a leaner workforce.

The turboprop fleet consists of the state-of-the-art Canadian-built Bombardier Q-series that boasts of the latest in noise and vibration reduction technology. The 50-seater Q300 and 76-seater Q400 aircraft offer generous legroom and a very quiet cabin. “Q” stands for “quiet,” the statement said.

Air Philippines serves the following destinations out of its hub in Manila: Tuguegarao, San Jose (Mindoro Occidental), Naga, Virac, Busuanga, Catarman, Calbayog, Ormoc, and Surigao. From Cebu, Air Philippines flies to Kalibo, Iloilo, Bacolod, Tacloban, Butuan, Ozamiz, Cagayan De Oro, Gen. Santos, Zamboanga, and from Zamboanga to Davao.

Operations to Caticlan for Boracay traffic will resume as soon as runway improvements are completed. Additional cities in Luzon, Visayas, and Mindanao are being evaluated for future operations.

All Air Philippines flights are code-shared with Philippine Airlines with the latter as the marketing carrier. Tickets issued by PAL will be accepted for

ianers_ianized

October 27th, 2009, 05:10 AM

Delta Airlines in an early morning flight to Narita.

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b384/ianers_ianized/SQFamily090.jpg

kiretoce

October 27th, 2009, 05:18 AM

^^ Personally, I liked DL's old livery ("the waving flag"). This "widget" livery seems too 80s-looking.

mwg12a

October 27th, 2009, 06:33 AM

^^^^That was the older one? I actually thought it was the more newer livery.

And My Oh My, DL is definitely serving MNL and I might end up being in one sometime soon. I wonder how DL's interior like in business class is like, I've never flown DL internationally before.

Blueleo

October 27th, 2009, 06:41 AM

Nag retire or resign na si Capt. Edilberto Medina of AirPhil? May bagong president na pala ang Airphil ngayon.

kiretoce

October 27th, 2009, 06:45 AM

That was the older one? I actually thought it was the more newer livery.

And My Oh My, DL is definitely serving MNL and I might end up being in one sometime soon. I wonder how DL's interior like in business class is like, I've never flown DL internationally before.

The new livery is called the "widget," as seen in the prior photo. It replaced the "waving flag" (the first three tails in the photo) as seen here.

http://willtrav.com/images/fp/delta-tails.jpg

Sky Harbor

October 27th, 2009, 06:54 AM

The new livery is called the "widget," as seen in the prior photo. It replaced the "waving flag" (the first three tails in the photo) as seen here.

http://willtrav.com/images/fp/delta-tails.jpg

That particular livery is officially named "Wavy Gravy".

^^^^That was the older one? I actually thought it was the more newer livery.

And My Oh My, DL is definitely serving MNL and I might end up being in one sometime soon. I wonder how DL's interior like in business class is like, I've never flown DL internationally before.

DL-painted B744s still have the old NW interiors.

mwg12a

October 27th, 2009, 07:35 AM

Wow, I just spotted by typo there. Oh well!!!

I like the " wavy gravy " better. I really mistook it that as the newer livery, I don't know how and why.

I hope DL would reconfigure the interior, the old NWA sitting arrangement or interior is so cramped, it is always hard to get in and out of your sit if you are not in an aile seat. This is why I like PAL's Airbus more spacious seats in the economy class.

pthfndr19

October 27th, 2009, 07:37 AM

Sky Harbor

October 27th, 2009, 07:39 AM

^^ I doubt it. I'm just inclined to believe that the company will still be Air Philippines, doing business as PAL Express.

pthfndr19

October 27th, 2009, 07:48 AM

^^ So nothing new. Except their new management team hehehe.

Lucentino

October 27th, 2009, 08:26 AM

And My Oh My, DL is definitely serving MNL and I might end up being in one sometime soon. I wonder how DL's interior like in business class is like, I've never flown DL internationally before.

I bet those snubbish NWA FA's (@Japan-US leg) are still the norm... I hope they get those oldies retired... :)

^^ Personally, I liked DL's old livery ("the waving flag"). This "widget" livery seems too 80s-looking.

That particular livery is officially named "Wavy Gravy".

Why is it that anything DL seems and feels like bland to my senses... phew! :lol:

PS. IMO, that "wavy gravy" thing looks like one european nation's flag... I hope DL can do a better job atleast in this regard...

Sky Harbor

October 27th, 2009, 08:29 AM

^^ You mean the Russian flag, right?

kiretoce

October 27th, 2009, 08:36 AM

^^ Yup, but Aeroflot's livery has more defined edges and not so cloth-like in appearance.

http://www.flightglobal.com/airspace/photos/airbusa330/images/21503/aeroflot-airbus-a330.jpg

Lucentino

October 27th, 2009, 08:45 AM

^Er... pardon me but we're talking about a country's flag and not anybody's livery... :)

PS. At first, I thought the pic was that of a United Airline... :lol:

^^ You mean the Russian flag, right?

;)

kevinb

October 27th, 2009, 08:55 AM

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/6301/airports.jpg
Never knew the Philippines is in the top 25. I just don't know if this is still true at the time being.

chris_nigel

October 27th, 2009, 09:53 AM

musta na kaya ung spirit of manila?

mwg12a

October 27th, 2009, 09:58 AM

Hindi mo makita kase spiritu nga e.. tahimik ka na lang diyan maramdaman mo rin ang spiritu LMAO

Sky Harbor

October 27th, 2009, 12:25 PM

musta na kaya ung spirit of manila?

Their two MD-83s are sitting in CRK.

shytype

October 27th, 2009, 05:17 PM

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hybridace101

October 27th, 2009, 11:49 PM

It's ghastly that the cause of the overshoot of an NW flight in MSP is... pilots looking at their laptops. They claim that they were finding out crew reassignments after the merger. Couldn't that wait until after they were on the ground?

bitoy

October 27th, 2009, 11:51 PM

^^ If not some suspensions, it will cost them their jobs.

mwg12a

October 28th, 2009, 01:14 AM

^^^ I think it did cost their jobs already. The thing is, it would have not been too bad if they systematically planned their actions, actually, just wisely planned their acts. From my understanding, commercial airline pilot is one boring and easy job, modern aircrafts are equiped with a very sophisticated technology that the place practically fly and land itself using auto-pilot, their job is just to stand by and keep an eye of their flying machines.

bitoy

October 28th, 2009, 01:26 AM

3cr

October 28th, 2009, 01:35 AM

Metro Manila spillway project endorsed
Business World
http://www.bworldonline.com/BW102809/content.php?id=071

SAN FERNANDO, PAMPANGA — President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo yesterday ordered the Department of Public Works and Highways (DPWH) to start working on the construction of a spillway in Metro Manila to prevent massive floods.

The President agreed to a proposal by Architect Felino "Jun" Palafox to immediately build the spillway from Manila Bay to Laguna Lake in yesterday’s Cabinet meeting.

"We will ask the DPWH to start with the spillway. We can build it alongside the airport so there would be less cost," Mrs. Arroyo said.

The Parañaque spillway can be a "canal, tunnel or Roman empire aqueduct," said Mr. Palafox who was at the Cabinet meeting, adding flooding can last for at least 65 days if the spillway is not built as opposed to only 20 days with the facility in place.

He also informed the President that building the spillway alongside the airport could take longer because the spillway is just eight kilometers.

"We will have to look at the cost effectiveness, but it’s an option, in other words it has to be the cheapest way to do it," Mrs. Arroyo said.

Parañaque has been identified as route of the spillway, starting with a mid-1970s development plan for Metro Manila, as it is the narrowest land between Manila de Bay in the west and Laguna de Bay in the east.

Shortly after tropical storm Ondoy (international name: Ketsana) hit and inundated wide parts of Metro Manila and surrounding provinces, Mr. Palafox cited the 1976 Metro Manila Transport, Land Use and Development Planning Project which identified the western shores of Laguna de Bay and coastal shores of Manila de Bay as development areas that should prepare for flooding, earthquakes and possible changes in topography.

But some of the recommendations stated in the study were never carried out, he said.

In his presentation yesterday before the Cabinet, Mr. Palafox said the country’s long-term development plans should include building spillways, banning incursions to waterways, relocating people to higher ground, controlling development in some areas, and harvesting rain water and using it for irrigation or fire protection.

He also recommended revising the building code, placing early flood warning systems, controlled development, and imposing stricter rules on building construction.

Senators and congressmen earlier broached a P10-billion plan to jump-start the spillway project, with the fund mainly to be used for expropriating properties that would be affected by the waterway.

At the same meeting, Mrs. Arroyo ordered the reconstruction commission, chaired by Philippine Long Distance Telephone Co. Chairman Manuel V. Pangilinan, to fast-track its proposals and take advantage of the so-called Hatoyama Initiative.

Mrs. Arroyo was referring to Tokyo’s commitment to provide financial and technical assistance to developing countries to help address the problem of climate change through the initiative named after Japanese Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama, who unveiled the scheme last month.

Finance Secretary Margarito B. Teves, who co-chairs the commission, said he sees a dialogue with the private sector in December to outline possible assistance it can give to the government.

Acting National Economic and Development Authority Director-General August B. Santos, for his part, warned against a possible surge in food inflation because of the damage to agriculture caused by Ondoy and typhoon Pepeng (international name: Parma).

As of yesterday, the National Disaster Coordinating Council said Ondoy and Pepeng had caused P36.635 billion in damage to farm (P27.11 billion) and infrastructure (P9.525 billion) and claimed 929 lives.

"NFA (National Food Authority) says rice production decreased. We are supposed to have 90 days inventory, now it’s down to 60 days," Mr. Santos said.

"Food prices surged in 2008 but has receded in 2009. The latest reading is 2% in September. We expect an increase in food inflation because of the typhoons."

Among his recommendations to Mrs. Arroyo were to convince rich nations to make good their food pledges to poor countries; conduct a full study on hunger causes; and converge anti-hunger projects to targeted beneficiaries.

______________________________

Palafox urban-development plan endorsed to Teves commission
Business Mirror
Written by Mia M. Gonzalez / Reporter
http://www.businessmirror.com.ph/home/nation/17871-palafox-urban-development-plan-endorsed-to-teves-commission.html

SAN FERNANDO CITY, Pampanga—Malacañang has referred the 33-year urban-development plan of architect Felino Palafox Jr. to the Special National Public-Private Reconstruction Commission after the urban planner gave a presentation of the Metro Manila Transport, Land Use and Development Planning Project to the President and the Cabinet, who met here on Tuesday.

President Arroyo also said the commission should hire Palafox as its consultant. “We should really do the master plan that he [Palafox] is talking about,” the President told Finance Secretary Margarito Teves, who cochairs the commission with PLDT chairman Manuel V. Pangilinan and Cebu Archbishop Ricardo Cardinal Vidal.

Palafox submitted his comprehensive plan to the Marcos administration in 1977, covering 40 towns and cities in and around Metro Manila.

It pointed to an urban expansion northeastward to Commonwealth Avenue in Quezon City, portions of Bulacan, and southward to Parañaque and Canlubang, and recommending a “controlled development” in the Marikina Valley, the western shores of Laguna de Bay, and the Manila Bay coastal area to the north of Manila.

Palafox said a spillway is needed to provide a new outlet from Laguna de Bay to Manila Bay because not having one is “like having a toilet without a flush.”

The President accepted this suggested spillway immediately and told the Cabinet, “We should already ask the DPWH [Department of Public Works and Highways] to work on the river spillway.”

To minimize expenses in terms of right of way in building the spillway, the President said an option would be to build it along the side of the airport “because the land belongs to the airport, that will save us a lot of money.”

“This plan would call for the use of the entire length of the Naia runway along the fence toward the Parañaque river, on the end of the runway along C-5 or Taguig. The storm drain can pass through the food terminal then on toward the Laguna bay. That will use government lots and less relocation of homes,” she added.

Teves said the commission will prioritize relocation, housing and livelihood of squatters along the planned route of the spillway, reforestation, waterways cleaning, infrastructure, and finance and resource mobilization.

The President reminded Teves to prepare a proposal for the Hatoyama Initiative, referring to the move of Japanese Prime Minister Yukio Hatoyama to extend technology and funding for developing countries to fight climate change, that she said is already being availed of by Indonesia, and that Hatoyama told her they are only waiting for the Philippines request.

Mrs. Arroyo had a bilateral meeting with Hatoyama at the sidelines of the Asean Leaders’ Summit and Related Summits in Hua Hin, Thailand last week.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3596/3417332212_540c0a0424_o.jpg

Blueleo

October 28th, 2009, 04:53 AM

Budget for Panglao airport raised to P7.5-B
10/26/2009 7:17 PM

MANILA - The National Economic and Development Authority (NEDA) has allowed a P3.27-billion increase in the budget for the reconstruction of the Panglao airport in Bohol province.

The NEDA's Investment Coordination Committee has approved the proposed change in the cost of the Revised Panglao Island Airport Development Project by about 76%.

From P4.27 billion, the project now has a budget of P7.54 billion.

"The project cost rose due to the increase of item prices and quantity because of design modification and additional acquisition of 14.5 hectares of land, among others," according to NEDA documents.

The budget raise, however, was made under the following conditions:
•that the provincial government of Bohol would conduct another multisectoral consultation to address econological or environmental issues
•that the Manila International Airport Authority will conduct a value analysis or a value engineering of the project
•that the budget cover be issued to the Department of Transportation and Communications

The Panglao airport project aims to open the Central Visayas region to more economic and tourism-related activities. It is set to be implemented from the first half of 2010 to 2012.

Aside from the Panglao airport project, the NEDA committee has also approved the P5-billion Panay River Flood Control Project, which aims to address flooding along the sub-basins of the said river.

Another project is the Philippines' Response to Indigenous People and Muslim Education Facility, which has a budget of P840 million.

jpdm

October 28th, 2009, 06:15 AM

Air Philippines operates turboprop fleet

(The Philippine Star)
Updated October 28, 2009 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines - Air Philippines will operate eight Bombardier turboprop aircraft leased from Philippine Airlines
(PAL) effective Oct. 27, 2009.

The turboprop fleet will fly to 19 towns and cities, operating out of two hubs - Manila and Cebu. The airline will follow a new business model focusing on delivering safe, affordable and quality service.

A new management team was appointed to implement the airline’s new business model. David Lim, Air Philippines’ new president, and Cesar Chiong, EVP and COO, were tasked to fasttrack the airline’s conversion to a low-cost business model using a leaner work force.

The turboprop fleet consists of the state-of-the-art Canadian-built Bombardier Q-series that boasts of the latest in noise and vibration reduction technology. The 50-seater Q300 and 76-seater Q400 aircraft offer generous legroom and a very quiet cabin. “Q” stands for “quiet”.

Air Philipines serves the following destinations out of its hub in Manila: Tuguegarao, San Jose (Mindoro Occidental), Naga, Virac, Busuanga, Catarman, Calbayog, Ormoc and Surigao. From Cebu, Air Philippines flies to Kalibo, Iloilo, Bacolod, Tacloban, Butuan, Ozamiz, Cagayan de Oro, Gen. Santos, Zamboanga and from Zamboanga to Davao.

Operations to Caticlan for Boracay traffic will resume
as soon as runway improvements are completed. Additional cities in Luzon, Visayas and Mindanao are being evaluated for future operations.

All Air Philippines flights are code-shared with Philippine Airlines with the latter as the marketing carrier. Tickets issued by PAL will be accepted for carriage.

For more information and booking requirements, visit www.airphils.com or call (02) 855-9000.

swahi

October 28th, 2009, 07:09 AM

mwg12a

October 28th, 2009, 07:19 AM

^^ I think it's still under investigation and the pilot's union is waiting for further notice from NTSB. Both are experienced pilots, sayang naman.

Taga rito sa Oregon yung Kapitan, parating nasa local news, baka maganda yung pinanunood nila sa laptop... :lol:

Yeah, that would be too harsh if they would totally revoke their licenses, it should only be temporary suspension without pay and to be forced to undergo safety training again, then sign a paper stating if they are caught violating safety rules again, it would be no more mercy.

the FAA just revoked their license for the year.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091028/ap_on_bi_ge/us_northwest_flight_overflown

Ah, very good. It's temporary revokation of license for for one year then. That sounds about fair.

pi_malejana

October 28th, 2009, 07:27 AM

i'm concerned about the aftermath... they (FAA) might totally ban the use of portable electronics for PIC's...:(

arianespace

October 28th, 2009, 11:43 AM

^^
Palafox urban-development plan endorsed to Teves commission

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3596/3417332212_540c0a0424_o.jpg

whoever drew the map is an idiot. Probably, they are the same kind of people that put up subdivisions in Marikina and Laguna de bay floodplains and told residents nothing about the risks of staying there.

Or maybe the are just playing blind that this flood hazard map exist. The colored ones are flood zones with the red being the most deep and dangerous area

http://kidlat.pagasa.dost.gov.ph/ndrb/taguig%20flood%20hazard%20map.jpg

They might also be the same politicians that approved subdivision plans beyond the C6 road dike, like Severina subdivision in Barangay Bagumbayan, Taguig and later blame MMDA for not doing anything on the flooding of their place. Are we really that stupid building a home beyond the flood dike and say I'm safe staying there? And later blame the government for not doing anything.:bash:

The City probably never thought that flooding will be their most concern by building houses and structures on the lake, or are they just playing politics? Look, almost half of Taguig is still under water a month after Ondoy. And yes, these are the same people that broach the idea of a foreshore airport.

I'm sorry but I could be wrong you know. They might have this idea on their mind after all.

http://www.wingsmagazine.com/images/zoom/QQHXDW/8Q-MAI.jpg

or this

http://bella-bellas.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/rt_venice_flood3_081202_ssh.jpg

Well good luck to lepstospirosis. Can I say more?

hybridace101

October 28th, 2009, 02:17 PM

i'm concerned about the aftermath... they (FAA) might totally ban the use of portable electronics for PIC's...:(

What could be worse is if they were caught to be surfing Facebook, or this forum while airborne.

hybridace101

October 29th, 2009, 02:37 PM

Does PR's refurbished aircraft have laptop power ports for economy class passengers? Also, PR's halloween treats contradicts itself: they say that it is all-in but excludes government taxes.

Sky Harbor

October 29th, 2009, 03:06 PM

^^ The Halloween promo excludes government taxes paid at the airport, such as the travel tax and terminal fee.

The refurbished 744s do not have individual power outlets (Empower or otherwise). Maybe the 77Ws have them, as they have different seats.

hybridace101

October 29th, 2009, 03:29 PM

Hmmm... an MNL-SIN-MNL is supposed to be USD99 but when I checked it out further, it is USD120 (90 for the basic fare + 30 for other taxes and other fees).

Sky Harbor

October 29th, 2009, 03:37 PM

^^ The Real Deal worked out the same way.

hybridace101

October 30th, 2009, 07:24 AM

For Filipino citizens, where is travel tax collected? I don't see a counter for that.

Sky Harbor

October 30th, 2009, 09:41 AM

^^ There's a PTA counter. If you book your ticket in the Philippines, the airline can also collect travel tax on your behalf.

Blueleo

October 30th, 2009, 01:28 PM

'Santi' forces PAL to evacuate planes, cancel flights
10/30/2009 6:29 PM

MANILA - Flag carrier Philippine Airlines (PAL) will evacuate its planes or put them on hold at their destinations to evade the wrath of typhoon "Santi" (international name Mirinae), which is expected to hit Metro Manila on Friday night.

PAL said it has moved some of its aircraft to Cebu, Bacolod, General Santos, Puerto Princesa, and Davao. As a result, several domestic and international flights departing and arriving in Manila have been canceled from Friday night until Saturday afternoon.

"Flights scheduled to depart tonight will be put on hold at their destinations until weather improves in Manila. All trans-Pacific flights for tonight will depart according to schedule," PAL said.

As of 5 p.m. Friday, the following domestic flights for October 30 have been canceled:
- PR814 Davao-Manila (18:50)
- PR854 Cebu-Manila (20:05)
- PR136 Bacolod-Manila (19:05)
- PR284 Cagayan de Oro-Manila (17:50)
- PR822 Davao-Manila (21:50)
- PR160 Bacolod-Manila (20:25)
- PR229 Laoag-Manila (19:15)
- PR326 Kalibo-Manila (18:05)
- PR126 Zamboanga-Manila (18:45)

The following international flights for October 30 have also been canceled:
- PR506 Singapore-Manila (00:15)
- PR512 Singapore-Manila (19:30)
- PR733 Bangkok-Manila (23:30)
- PR311 Hong Kong-Manila (21:40)
- PR536 Jakarta-Manila (00:55)
- PR469 Seoul-Manila (21:20)

For October 31, the following domestic flights have been canceled:
- PR819 Manila-Davao (06:30)
- PR820 Davao-Manila (08:50)
- PR453 Manila-General Santos (07:00) - return flight is operational
- PR195 Manila-Puerto Princesa (08:00)
- PR196 Puerto Princesa-Manila (05:20)
- PR809 Manila-Davao (04:00) - return flight is operational
- PR847 Manila-Cebu (07:30)
- PR848 Cebu-Manila (09:35)
- PR843 Manila-Cebu (04:30)
- PR844 Cebu-Manila (06:35)
- PR853 Manila-Cebu (09:30) - return flight is operational
- PR189 Manila-Roxas (05:30)
- PR190 Roxas-Manila (07:00)
- PR391 Manila-Tacloban (09:00)
- PR392 Tacloban-Manila (10:40)
- PR175 Manila-Tagbilaran (08:00)
- PR176 Tagbilaran-Manila (09:55)
- PR191 Manila-Tacloban (05:40)
- PR192 Tacloban-Manila (07:40)
- PR327 Manila-Kalibo (07:00)
- PR328 Kalibo-Manila (08:30)
- PR139 Manila-Iloilo (05:00)
- PR140 Iloilo-Manila (06:45)
- PR133 Manila-Bacolod (08:55)
- PR134 Bacolod-Manila (10:25)
- PR131 Manila-Bacolod (04:55)
- PR132 Bacolod-Manila (06:25)
- PR141 Manila-Iloilo (08:50)
- PR142 Iloilo-Manila (10:05)
- PR823 Manila-Cebu (08:23) - return flight is operational
- PR173 Manila-Tagbilaran (05:30)
- PR174 Tagbilaran-Manila (07:35)
- PR183 Manila-Cagayan de Oro (09:30) - return flight is operational
- PR181 Manila-Cagayan de Oro (04:45)
- PR182 Cagayan de Oro-Manila (07:10)
- PR321 Manila-Kalibo (08:35)
- PR322 Kalibo-Manila (10:15)
- PR281 Manila-Cagayan de Oro (06:45)
- PR282 Cagayan de Oro-Manila (09:10)
- PR123 Manila-Zamboanga (04:50)
- PR124 Zamboanga-Manila (07:10)
- PR226 Manila-Laoag (10:00) - return flight is operational
- PR842 Cebu-Manila (05:00) - return flight is operational
- PR277 Manila-Legaspi (06:40)
- PR278 Legaspi-Manila (08:20)
- PR167 Manila-Dipolog (10:05)
- PR168 Dipolog-Manila (12:15)
- PR292 Dumaguete-Manila (08:55)

chevy_boy

October 30th, 2009, 04:16 PM

Cebu Pacific also evacuated it's planes to Cebu which started to depart earlier around 8pm...

c6josh

October 30th, 2009, 05:07 PM

An aerial view of Bacolod City
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9549/dscf1567v.jpg
http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/8158/dscf1568.jpg
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/3363/dscf1569.jpg

hybridace101

October 30th, 2009, 05:28 PM

Bad news for those who wanted discounted fares to regional destinations, the promo ended this afternoon.

chris_nigel

October 30th, 2009, 09:09 PM

:lol::lol:Hindi mo makita kase spiritu nga e.. tahimik ka na lang diyan maramdaman mo rin ang spiritu LMAO

oo nga naman lalakas sila kasi all souls day na..:nuts:

btw how the NAIA runway will be affected sa proposed Spillway para sa baha?

freightrunner

October 31st, 2009, 07:52 PM

Spanish firm to do Cagayan
airport design, master plan
BY IRMA ISIP
Madrid-based engineering firm Getinsa Ingenieria SL has been tapped to conduct the feasibility study, master planning and design of the international airport in Cagayan province for a contract price of 360,340.11 Euros.

The Cagayan Economic Zone Authority (CEZA) awarded the contract to Getinsa which submitted the best proposal to CEZA. The study would be funded by a grant from the Spanish government.

Jose Mari Ponce, CEZA administrator and chief executive officer and Aldo Tomo, president of Getinsa signed the contract on Oct. 23, 2009. The signing was witnessed by Javier Alvarez, the economic counselor of the Embassy of Spain.

The international airport is a critical component of the 54,000-hectare Cagayan special economic zone and freeport (CSEZFP), an economic and tourism hub in Asia located in the coastal town of Sta. Ana in Cagayan province. CEZA is a government-owned and -controlled corporation that develops and manages the CSEZFP.

Following the visit of President Arroyo to Spain in November 2007 where she received a commitment for assistance from the Spanish government, CEZA applied for a technical assistance grant offered by the Spanish FEV (Linea de Financiacion de Estudios de Viabilidad) for the conduct of feasibility study, master planning and preliminary engineering design for an international airport in Cagayan. The grant was approved last January 22.

Getinsa bested a shortlist of qualified Spanish companies to undertake the planning and study.

The whole study, master planning and design will cover the two-phased airport project which will have a 2,500-meter runway. Construction of phase one of the project is under a joint venture agreement with Cagayan Land Property Development Corp. (CLPDC).

Under the contract, Getinsa has to complete the study, planning and design in 115 days while payment of the consulting services shall be made by the Spanish government directly to Getinsa.

Once completed, the CEZA International Airport is seen to complement the Port Irene Seaport, which is designed to make CSEZFP a viable international transshipment hub and tourism destination in north-eastern part of Luzon.

Getinsa is an engineering company founded in 1984 performing all studies and projects involving civil works and infrastructure linear.

In 1989, Getinsa began its international expansion conducting studies and engineering projects in ACP countries funded by the Directorate General for Development of the European Community.

Currently, the company is registered with all relevant international action: European Union, World Bank, IDB and UNDP.

In 2003, it began the expansion into the Asian market. It has opened an office in Manila and has been hired as consultant for the World Bank in the Philippines.

Business Insight Business Shipping

freightrunner

October 31st, 2009, 08:21 PM

julzandrew

November 1st, 2009, 05:36 AM

My Cebu Pacific flight 5J 327 last October 30 bound for Legazpi was not cancelled. However, I still managed to get into an earlier flight 5J 323 that arrived in Legazpi City 2 hours earlier.

Sou-jiro

November 1st, 2009, 06:14 PM

Eleven Killed in Russian Plane Crash
Moscow | Nov 01, 2009 PRINT SHARE COMMENTS

All 11 members of the crew of a Russian cargo plane were killed today when their Ilyushin Il-76 aircraft crashed shortly after take off from the Mirny airport in the country's diamond mining region of Yakutia.

According to the spokesperson of local disaster mitigation agency Nadezhda Dovretskaya, the plane fell two kilometres from the airport.

"The plane belonged to the Interior Ministry and was not carrying any cargo or passengers. The charred bodies of crew members and flight recorders have been recovered. There were no destructions and casualties on the ground," Dovretskaya told Vesti FM radio.

Last month, another Il-76 cargo plane of the Russian military had to abort take off after one of its engines disintegrated and fell down on the runway at a base in Ivanovo region near here.

Il-76 is the mainstay of Russian and Indian air forces' transport wings and the two countries are in the process of setting up a joint venture for the designing, development and production of a multirole transport aircraft (MTA) to replace their ageing Il-76 and other Soviet era aircraft.

(source Outlook.india)

hybridace101

November 2nd, 2009, 03:25 AM

They should seriously retire their Ilyushin and Tupolevs, especially those built during the Soviet era.

habagatcentral1

November 2nd, 2009, 06:19 AM

^^ Is there something about Soviet planes that are giving the creeps out of the people down here? :lol:

One of the greatest aviation disaster in Russia was not involving a Russian made plane, but a European consortium...

hybridace101

November 2nd, 2009, 07:39 AM

In fairness to Aeroflot, they have started to retire their soviet-era planes in favour of western aircraft with pending orders for A350s and B787s.

Also, I found an interesting video demonstrating web check-in of KLM:

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It's interesting one can already obtain an electronic boarding pass (via mobile) whereas our national carriers don't even have web check-in at all. What should it take for them to give passengers this convenience? Are there government regulations that forbid/discourage national carriers from providing this service? In the long run at least, it should save the airline in terms of manpower required at check-in as well as the costs to print boarding passes.

Ph Man

November 2nd, 2009, 01:47 PM

Cool. Emirates does have that too. Our African visitor mentioned that to me when I brought her to T1. I was like...'how on earth does that work?' :lol:

Oh by the way, she didn't say anything terrible when I asked her what's her impression of our old airport. She said it's nice, and what matters is that she can breeze thru it easily. :)

edit: Had one terrible experience with Cebu Pacific's customer service. I've mistakenly booked a flight on a date where I'm supposed to have an appointment. I rebooked my flght thru 5J's customer service. I was briefed of the fees. I was also informed that the seat selector fee I paid online will not be carried over. No problem with me.

This is what pissed me off big time. Towards the end of the process, I was informed that there's a call center charge of P56 per way. This is ridiculous. I know it's not a fortune, but why should 5J charge me for the customer service fee? Can somebody explain this?

hybridace101

November 2nd, 2009, 03:23 PM

^^
One thing about LCCs that I've come to realise: if they give you really low fares, just think of it as you are paying for the seat and the seat only. You want to check-in luggage, you pay extra. You want food, you pay extra. You want more time, you pay extra. You want human intervention, you pay extra. BOTTOMLINE: You want anything else other than the seat you booked, you have to pay extra.

How I just wish PR and 5J had online check-in. Besides, it makes good business sense for them if they want to give us low fares.

Also, why can't KL allow us to print our boarding passes online? It's weird considering SQ and CX can allow us to do so and KL allows most other destinations to do so.

Sky Harbor

November 2nd, 2009, 03:28 PM

^^ If I'm not mistaken, for PR and 5J to offer online check-in, they would need to do a major overhaul of their booking systems. It's an expense that they don't want to get involved in at the moment given the economic situation here and abroad.

At least Filipinos and PR are better off than Indonesians and GA, where they can't book international flights online.

This is what pissed me off big time. Towards the end of the process, I was informed that there's a call center charge of P56 per way. This is ridiculous. I know it's not a fortune, but why should 5J charge me for the customer service fee? Can somebody explain this?

It costs more to book or change a reservation by phone than online.

hybridace101

November 2nd, 2009, 03:41 PM

At least Filipinos and PR are better off than Indonesians and GA, where they can't book international flights online.

http://www.garuda-indonesia.com/wci - their portal to check-in online although only domestic flights can be accommodated.

Those costly overhauls are called investments. But ok, let's wait until the economic situation gets better but it's funny since PAL overhauled its website with a new booking system fairly recently but didn't include online check-in. If 5J wants to continue charging people for using human-assisted check-ins just like they do with things besides the seat, let them do so if they successfully implement web check-in after some time. I believe one key thing in why LCCs took-off was because of the internet where passengers can manage their trip on their own there without much assistance from the staff.

Sky Harbor

November 2nd, 2009, 03:43 PM

^^ That's telephone booking, not telephone check-in. :sleepy:

Ph Man

November 2nd, 2009, 03:44 PM

Sky Harbor

November 2nd, 2009, 03:44 PM

Those costly overhauls are called investments. But ok, let's wait until the economic situation gets better but it's funny since PAL overhauled its website with a new booking system fairly recently but didn't include online check-in. If 5J wants to continue charging people for using human-assisted check-ins just like they do with things besides the seat, let them do so if they successfully implement web check-in after some time. I believe one key thing in why LCCs took-off was because of the internet where passengers can manage their trip on their own there without much assistance from the staff.

The only thing PAL overhauled is its website. The booking system only added a few upgrades, but it's still the same booking system they've used since they introduced online ticketing back in the day.

The agent said so. I told him to just go ahead and change my booking and I'll pay thru card. But I didn't know 5J now charges passengers with customer service fees.

Indeed, the things we should get used to in flying with LCCs. I hope PR won't follow the road that 5J took even if it meant more revenue for 5J.

I was charged P56 for booking my flight to Iloilo.

Ph Man

November 2nd, 2009, 03:51 PM

oh, so that's normal then. i was actually trying to rebook my flight thru the agent. i purchased my ticket online. i didn't know there's P56 on top of everything. :nuts:

on the lighter side...i'm thinking of forming a group of planespotters as our Davao forumers did. the objective is simple...do planespotting in any airport nearby, local or regional. if we can form a group of at least 5, then we can hit it off. :) just pm me to express your intentions.

hybridace101

November 2nd, 2009, 03:57 PM

I got your point: online bookings are available for domestic flights only, sorry. Although they still have web check-in.

Here's one thing that pissed me off about the LCC JetStar Asia. Their online check-in works only for flights flying out of Australia and New Zealand. I don't know why but sister company Qantas does something similar as well. Worse, they don't even have self-service check-in. If they want to save costs, why can't they get those at T1 in SIN rather than have us see a traditional check-in counter? This is especially helpful if one had no bags to check-in just like me.

mwg12a

November 2nd, 2009, 05:43 PM

The agent said so. I told him to just go ahead and change my booking and I'll pay thru card. But I didn't know 5J now charges passengers with customer service fees.

Indeed, the things we should get used to in flying with LCCs. I hope PR won't follow the road that 5J took even if it meant more revenue for 5J.

Why yeah ahhh...lol there is nothing else in this world that is free except the air we breathe, and even that sometimes there are those who sells clean scented oxygen we breathe not to mention the oxygen tanks in the hospitals we have to pay... American Airlines not too long ago threatened to charge their passengers the use of blankets and toilet paper... I'd blame this on Bin Laden the crook LOL:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

a s i a n a

November 3rd, 2009, 10:11 AM

Dreamtofly

November 3rd, 2009, 12:22 PM

Dumating na ba yan sa pinas?

ganda. Sana eh biyahi dito sa europe.

dhalecx

November 3rd, 2009, 12:34 PM

Sa isang trip report sa a.net may isang passenger nakakita ng PAL sa London? Ano ginagawa dun ng PAL? Click below

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/trip_reports/read.main/158405/

Sky Harbor

November 3rd, 2009, 01:00 PM

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/4/9/2/1604294.jpg

Finally, PR's new 77W in a.net (actually this image is at the Top 2 of the last 24 hours)
Hopefully seating layout for Y is 3-3-3, not the dreaded 3-4-3 :D

The seating arrangement is contentious. Some say 3-3-3 (and I believe it's 3-3-3), while others believe it's 3-4-3.

Dumating na ba yan sa pinas?

ganda. Sana eh biyahi dito sa europe.

Rumor has it the 77Ws will be plying MNL-Europe in the future.

Sa isang trip report sa a.net may isang passenger nakakita ng PAL sa London? Ano ginagawa dun ng PAL? Click below

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/trip_reports/read.main/158405/

The trip was in September. President Arroyo was on a state visit to the United Kingdom at the time, using a refurbished 747 for the first time.

jogavilz

November 3rd, 2009, 01:33 PM

seven13

November 3rd, 2009, 02:25 PM

watch this this, came from a test flight

_j31Vx4AnCY

Sou-jiro

November 3rd, 2009, 02:32 PM

seven13

November 3rd, 2009, 02:33 PM

is it already confirmed that she's arriving on the 18th? I hope it she'll arrive on a weekend.

hybridace101

November 3rd, 2009, 03:29 PM

Once the aircraft touches down on its home soil for the first time, how soon can it be used for flights? So far, the latest schedule isn't updated to reflect its routes or days of flight. All OZ flights are still subject to the A330 which outside OZ is used more for flights shorter than 2 hours.

absinthe_888

November 3rd, 2009, 03:45 PM

^^ gagamitin agad yan ng ni FG at mga tongressman na magjjunket sa Las Vegas para manuod ng boxing. :D

Seriously, nice to learn that PAL's new bird is coming to Manila very soon :)

seven13

November 3rd, 2009, 05:05 PM

^^ gagamitin agad yan ng ni FG at mga tongressman na magjjunket sa Las Vegas para manuod ng boxing. :D

Seriously, nice to learn that PAL's new bird is coming to Manila very soon :)

I think the current FAA rating would not allow that.

hybridace101

November 3rd, 2009, 05:30 PM

^^

Hmmm... the APEC summit is next week. It may be possible that FGMA won't accompany his wife and will go to the US and be on board the trip that will bring the plane to its home base. It could also be possible that he and Pacman will have a ceremonial ride since Pacman usually comes home 3-4 days after his match.

Sky Harbor

November 3rd, 2009, 05:38 PM

^^ Looks like it will be similar to what President Ramos did back with the 747 in 1994.

Kintoy

November 3rd, 2009, 05:47 PM

i found this in a travel mag called Sidetrip

http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu182/wetboxers/IMG_1273.jpg

http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu182/wetboxers/IMG_1274.jpg

hybridace101

November 3rd, 2009, 05:48 PM

I'm not sure what ceremonies are lined-up or who will be involved. Unlike A320s which PAL was saturated with when the next generation of them arrived, it makes sense that the 77W will come with pomp and circumstance. But I am still wondering how long after it touches down in MNL can it be used for commercial operations? So far MNL-MEL or MNL-SYD hasn't turned from A330 to EQV.

mwg12a

November 4th, 2009, 12:38 AM

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/4/9/2/1604294.jpg

Finally, PR's new 77W in a.net (actually this image is at the Top 2 of the last 24 hours)
Hopefully seating layout for Y is 3-3-3, not the dreaded 3-4-3 :D

I wish it's 2-4-2 layout, i know that's for airbus but I think and feel it's a more convinient layout. It's quicker for those who are sitting right in the middle, you just have to bother one passenger instead of two.

777 looks really nice with that PAL livery.

dhalecx

November 4th, 2009, 01:17 AM

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/4/9/2/1604294.jpg

Bakit kaya walang winglets ang 777?

bitoy

November 4th, 2009, 03:35 AM

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/4/9/2/1604294.jpg

Bakit kaya walang winglets ang 777?

The winglets are now wingtips swept back instead of upward.

http://www.aviation-fr.info/guide/images/b777/aile.jpg

hikouki

November 4th, 2009, 04:32 AM

Last October 9, 2009 I saw 2 Russians Planes in NAIA, I wonder what are they doing here.

AN-124 Ruslans? I know the Russian cargo heavies come here delivering MRT/ LRT carriages from the Czech Republic. Sometimes, some Tu-154s and Tu-204/214s come here as charters with Russian tourists.

kiretoce

November 4th, 2009, 04:34 AM

Sa isang trip report sa a.net may isang passenger nakakita ng PAL sa London? Ano ginagawa dun ng PAL? Click below

http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/trip_reports/read.main/158405/

PGMA chartered that plane from PR on her European itinerary last September to the United Kingdom and Turkey, that's why it was there in LHR.

hikouki

November 4th, 2009, 04:38 AM

^^ im inclined to believe that PAL 773ers is going to be configured 3-4-3 based on PALs target market

however if its 3-3-3,.. then EXCELLENT we can expect spacious seats...ow well not long to go! :D

hehe she's getting a lot of clicks in Anet too...

People who have said that it will have 3-4-3 and 3-3-3 have consistently said the plane will have a total of only 360+ to 370 passengers. Supposing the total is correct, then 3-3-3 is the most probable layout. If you look at some of the seat layouts of all 77W operators, a 3-4-3 layout will make for a total of more than 400 passengers even at a very generous seat pitch of 34 inches. I suppose PAL can have a 3-4-3 layout with say a seat pitch of 36 or 38 inches?:banana: Just to keep the total seat count at less than 400.

PAL has mentioned in one official press release a seat count of 368, then 365 in another.

hikouki

November 4th, 2009, 04:42 AM

is it already confirmed that she's arriving on the 18th? I hope it she'll arrive on a weekend.

A poster at A.net said it will arrive MNL on 20 Nov. I suppose 18 Nov is the handover ceremony at Boeing?

Wasn't it that when Airbus handed over the first A380 to SQ, it only left for SIN a day or two after? (or maybe the same afternoon?) At any rate, handover and arrival may not necessarily be on the same date.

hikouki

November 4th, 2009, 04:43 AM

The winglets are now wingtips swept back instead of upward.

http://www.aviation-fr.info/guide/images/b777/aile.jpg

I think the technical term for that feature is "raked wingtips."

seven13

November 4th, 2009, 05:53 AM

A poster at A.net said it will arrive MNL on 20 Nov. I suppose 18 Nov is the handover ceremony at Boeing?

Wasn't it that when Airbus handed over the first A380 to SQ, it only left for SIN a day or two after? (or maybe the same afternoon?) At any rate, handover and arrival may not necessarily be on the same date.

I hope I'm free on the 20th. I'll definitely be in multinational ave to wait for her arrival :D

boom_box

November 4th, 2009, 06:54 AM

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/middle/4/9/2/1604294.jpg

For sure... maraming sasakay dito if ever lilipad ito nonstop from MNL-LAS...
Lucky Number eh... "777".. :lol:

Matingkad talaga Eurowhite livery.. same with AF liveries.. :)

hybridace101

November 4th, 2009, 06:55 AM

Unfortunately my question hasn't been answered yet. Once it touches down on Philippine soil for the first time, how soon can it be put into commercial operations? Does it have to wait a few days?

boom_box

November 4th, 2009, 07:00 AM

same question here...
If it still don't fly to US because of FAA...
I'm guessing PR might end up flying it on Europe.. but who knows..

swahi

November 4th, 2009, 07:24 AM

If they open new routes, then the new plane may be used there. If they have the same routes, and with US destinations still not allowed, most probably the longest routes around, which means Mondays and Wednesdays Mla-Vancouver (the rest of the week has a Vancouver-LAS), and Australia.

boom_box

November 4th, 2009, 07:25 AM

more or less.. mukhang ganyan ang scenario... PR wanted so bad to fly in SAN... But it would be better if they fly East coast.. JFK via ORD or direct to JFK.. sadly FAA crap stops their expansion in US...

if they fly to Europe.. i doubt Emirates, Qatar Airways, Etihad and Gulf Air would probably review their codeshare agreements with PR.. I don't know, its just my weird speculation running in my head.. :lol:

hikouki

November 4th, 2009, 10:20 AM

Unfortunately my question hasn't been answered yet. Once it touches down on Philippine soil for the first time, how soon can it be put into commercial operations? Does it have to wait a few days?

Airlines usually mount "crew familiarization flights" for newly-acquired aircraft types. The first SQ A380 for example was handed over to the airline on 15 Oct, but the inaugural was not until 25 Oct.

IIRC, PAL's A340s made MNL-CRK-MNL (training) flights when they first got them.

swahi

November 4th, 2009, 11:23 AM

Recently, PAL had a promo where they offered tickets (not econolite), both domestic and international that only had 15kgs weight allowance. I was surprised when I booked 17 tickets for different people on the manila-cebu and cebu manila sector, non econolite, these tickets are now also 15 kgs, not 20 kgs. I crosschecked at pal's website what the ticketing office told me, and starting september 16 on domestic, and october 1 on international, class W and U are now 15kgs as standard weight allowance, not 20 kgs.

Sky Harbor

November 4th, 2009, 11:34 AM

^^ That's because fare classes W and U are designed to compete with Cebu Pacific. It's also a cost-cutting measure.

Lucentino

November 4th, 2009, 11:49 AM

^Yun bang 'W' & 'U' e seating sa plane's aft?

more or less.. mukhang ganyan ang scenario... PR wanted so bad to fly in SAN... But it would be better if they fly East coast.. JFK via ORD or direct to JFK.. sadly FAA crap stops their expansion in US...

if they fly to Europe.. i doubt Emirates, Qatar Airways, Etihad and Gulf Air would probably review their codeshare agreements with PR.. I don't know, its just my weird speculation running in my head.. :lol:

Pabor din kasi sa ibang US carriers ang pagkasuspinde ng expansion ng PAL...

Im not that expert on codeshares, but that of PAL and Mid-East carriers might stay if they can fly direct (RP-EU). Most of PAL's codeshare with the airlines you mentioned cater to those travelling from Mid-East to RP... :2cents:

Sky Harbor

November 4th, 2009, 12:08 PM

^Yun bang 'W' & 'U' e seating sa plane's aft?

No. Fare classes W and U are deeply discounted full-service fares. Econolight is in a different fare class.

dexter06

November 4th, 2009, 12:31 PM

No. Fare classes W and U are deeply discounted full-service fares. Econolight is in a different fare class.

The problem with the W and U class fares is that when you book online, usually those flights that are either very early in the morning or night flights, the system will automatically lead you to those fare class. I did a mock booking of a 4:00++AM flight and the system automatically lead me to W booking class. I called up PAL call center to ask if i can be booked in a non-W or non-U booking class since i will surely have 20 kgs or more baggage. And they said the only way i can do that is to book through the call center. But when i booked online on regular daytime flights (9AM, 4PM) i was booked to a non-W and non-U booking class.

Why am i raising this? Well, when i used my ticket, i had 27 kgs. since i came from abroad. I was asked to pay in excess of 20kgs. Tumawad ako. I was asked to pay 5 kgs. To my surprise, the excess luggage fee (per kg) for the domestic sector was already 3.5x more than the usual excess luggage fee i pay previously. Okay, for Visayas flights, i usually pay between Php30 to Php35 per kg. Now it is Php 112 per. I asked why the rates are now different. Nagtaas na raw. The same also with Cebu Pacific. Yung 30 per kg excess luggage fee is now Php 100 per kg.

So, i advise that if you will have luggage, yung ma save mo sa W and U class, bawiin din sa excess luggage, assuming you will carry 20kgs. Yung 5 kgs, bale 500 na natipid mo bawiin din. Of course for frequent travellers who travel light, panalo ang W and U.

Nagmura pasahe, binawi sa excess luggage fee.

a s i a n a

November 4th, 2009, 03:07 PM

People who have said that it will have 3-4-3 and 3-3-3 have consistently said the plane will have a total of only 360+ to 370 passengers. Supposing the total is correct, then 3-3-3 is the most probable layout. If you look at some of the seat layouts of all 77W operators, a 3-4-3 layout will make for a total of more than 400 passengers even at a very generous seat pitch of 34 inches. I suppose PAL can have a 3-4-3 layout with say a seat pitch of 36 or 38 inches?:banana: Just to keep the total seat count at less than 400.

PAL has mentioned in one official press release a seat count of 368, then 365 in another.

I believe it's 3-3-3. The official seat count stands at 370 with 42 J seats and 328 Y. If PR proceeded with 3-4-3, the seat count should have been around 420. KL has more or less the same J seat with PR, though I'm hopeful PR would alter its current J and make it full-flat (and have a 2-2-2 instead of 2-3-2). KL's 77W has 425 seats with 35 J and 390 Y.

Is there a chance that PR would make its current J full-flat? A lie-flat J seat is a step forward but, right now, airlines are now making quantum leaps towards full-flat quasi-suites J seats. :D

Sky Harbor

November 4th, 2009, 03:26 PM

^^ The 77Ws do not have Recaro seats (word is going around that they have Weber seats), so it's very likely that PAL may adopt full-flats in J. But we can never be too sure, of course.

Bahay_Kubo

November 4th, 2009, 04:08 PM

AN-124 Ruslans? I know the Russian cargo heavies come here delivering MRT/ LRT carriages from the Czech Republic. Sometimes, some Tu-154s and Tu-204/214s come here as charters with Russian tourists.

if i am not mistaken, the Antonovs transported to the Philippines the Mi-17 helicopters that the United Nations leased for relief operations during the aftermath of Typhoons Ketsana (Ondoy) and Parma (Pepeng).

hybridace101

November 4th, 2009, 04:33 PM

So the seats will look like this?

http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/8720/interioreconmicabw8.jpg

Sky Harbor

November 4th, 2009, 04:42 PM

^^ That's what they say.

hikouki

November 4th, 2009, 05:18 PM

I believe it's 3-3-3. The official seat count stands at 370 with 42 J seats and 328 Y. If PR proceeded with 3-4-3, the seat count should have been around 420. KL has more or less the same J seat with PR, though I'm hopeful PR would alter its current J and make it full-flat (and have a 2-2-2 instead of 2-3-2). KL's 77W has 425 seats with 35 J and 390 Y.

Is there a chance that PR would make its current J full-flat? A lie-flat J seat is a step forward but, right now, airlines are now making quantum leaps towards full-flat quasi-suites J seats. :D

I think only the seat pitch would limit whether these seats would extend all the way to full-flat. Most of these lie-flats have foot rests that abut the base of the seat in front when fully extended, preventing a supposed full-flat recline.

QR chose a slightly updated version of its lie-flat angled seat for its 77Ws. IIRC, the 77W seats have just a bit more pitch than those on the A330s and this allowed the seat mechanism to extend to full flat instead of just lie-flat.

boom_box

November 4th, 2009, 08:01 PM

^Yun bang 'W' & 'U' e seating sa plane's aft?

Pabor din kasi sa ibang US carriers ang pagkasuspinde ng expansion ng PAL...

Im not that expert on codeshares, but that of PAL and Mid-East carriers might stay if they can fly direct (RP-EU). Most of PAL's codeshare with the airlines you mentioned cater to those travelling from Mid-East to RP... :2cents:

ewan ko lang din... pero most of this Mid-east carriers also flies to Europe... Im not sure about this though but is it possible to buy a ticket from PAL with a route from MNL-FRA or LHR via DXB flown by Emirates...? baka kasi ganito mag work ang codeshare agreement...

FlashCollider

November 4th, 2009, 09:11 PM

swahi

November 5th, 2009, 02:07 AM

a very close relative of mine recently told me that on a cebu-manila trip, he forgot to pick up a checked in box at the Manila baggage carousel. The next day, he called up the airline. It took the airline several weeks to trace the checked in item. Eventually they were able to release the item to my relative.

Here's the catch. That airline wants him to write a complaint letter. He refused, because for him, its hearsay, and the item was returned to him in good condition. The airline wanted him to state in the complaint that one of the airline employee, thinking no one was claiming the left checked in box, decided to BRING the box home. When someone eventually claimed it, (take note the item was returned over 2 weeks when reported missing), that employee surrendered the box back to lost and found. The airline wants my relative to complain against that employee.

hikouki

November 5th, 2009, 02:48 AM

I chatted with a PAL official who said the festivities for the arrival of the first 77W has been canceled in light of the currenct economic crisis. A simple welcome ceremony is planned but details have not yet been finalized.

hybridace101

November 5th, 2009, 06:47 AM

What kind of "grand" ceremony did they plan in the first place?

hikouki

November 5th, 2009, 07:12 AM

What kind of "grand" ceremony did they plan in the first place?

I have no idea. The PAL official I chatted with did not elaborate.

When they unveiled their current livery in '86, didn't they roll out a 742 with some dancers coming out of the plane? Perhaps something similar...
http://www.philskies.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=11539&p=103153&hilit=mabuhay+livery#p103153

sonnyville

November 5th, 2009, 07:47 AM

The traditional water salute would do.

Ph Man

November 5th, 2009, 01:56 PM

^^ Yes, the water salute would definitely do. And I wanna see that...:)

a very close relative of mine recently told me that on a cebu-manila trip, he forgot to pick up a checked in box at the Manila baggage carousel. The next day, he called up the airline. It took the airline several weeks to trace the checked in item. Eventually they were able to release the item to my relative.

Here's the catch. That airline wants him to write a complaint letter. He refused, because for him, its hearsay, and the item was returned to him in good condition. The airline wanted him to state in the complaint that one of the airline employee, thinking no one was claiming the left checked in box, decided to BRING the box home. When someone eventually claimed it, (take note the item was returned over 2 weeks when reported missing), that employee surrendered the box back to lost and found. The airline wants my relative to complain against that employee.

^^ What airline is this? But how can he state in the complaint letter that the airline employee took it home? It's an internal matter with the airline and they have to do something about that.

hybridace101

November 5th, 2009, 03:08 PM

Well, I find it hard that PAL can have such ceremonies using an aircraft like what they did in 1986. Besides, it's best to put it up in the air where the money is made.

Interestingly, the pic that I saw which has Weber seats has a seat colour similar (or slightly darker than) what I see out of those in the refurbished 744. My prediction is they will likely go with those seats for economy class but carry over the same seats used for the existing business class. Besides, as their premium product and because they are quite young, the long haul business class seats should be something constant for at least the next few years.

A little off-topic, when I was searching for Weber seats again, I bumped into a website called airlinerseats.com which sells vintage airline seats for home and office. Most of them cost less than an average round-trip transpacific economy class fare.

hikouki

November 6th, 2009, 06:04 AM

Ilyushin IL-76. I don't know which airline the first one belongs to but the second one is Volga-Dnepr, like this one:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Volga-Dnepr-Airlines/Ilyushin-Il-76TD-90VD/1580863/L/&sid=ec58fa262447be8bb2f1046f0d8d57c3

swahi

November 6th, 2009, 07:43 AM

^^ Yes, the water salute would definitely do. And I wanna see that...:)

^^ What airline is this? But how can he state in the complaint letter that the airline employee took it home? It's an internal matter with the airline and they have to do something about that.

cebpac. Thats why he refused to write the letter as suggested, because that is hearsay. But it is troublesome as it shows internal issues/problems with the way they handle such luggage issues.

Ph Man

November 6th, 2009, 04:42 PM

cebpac. Thats why he refused to write the letter as suggested, because that is hearsay. But it is troublesome as it shows internal issues/problems with the way they handle such luggage issues.

it's a reflection of the culture within the organization. they should start including integrity to their core values.

ruralvillage

November 6th, 2009, 11:57 PM

More cameras fielded outside airport hubs (http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/insideMetro.htm?f=//2009/november/6/metro4.isx&d=/2009/november/6)
Manila Standard (http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/insideMetro.htm?f=//2009/november/6/metro4.isx&d=/2009/november/6)

Parañaque City is expanding the coverage of security cameras to protect travelers leaving and arriving at the Ninoy Aquino International Airport terminals.

Mayor Florencio Bernabe Jr. has ordered the installation of more closed-circuit television cameras, reminding the police force that the city government has always extended its support to law enforcement through equipment and training assistance.

Mayor’s office spokesman Lloyd Palconan said the administration was beefing up its monitoring scope.

“We have existing traffic and security measures along the airport corridor. What we need are added measures to augment our crime prevention capabilities,” he said.

While noting surveillance is in place at approaches to the airport at Multinational Village, Barangay San Antonio, Kabihasnan, Baclaran including city hall, Palconan said additional sites would be identified to widen the base of crime deterrence.

He said the security monitoring network is operated by the command center of the Parañaque police headquarters.

Palconan said local authorities are continuously coordinating with the Manila International Airport Authority, neighboring localities and Camp Crame in looking after the safety of tourists and balikbayans, Parañaque being part of the country’s gateway to international travel Ferdinand Fabella

Sou-jiro

November 7th, 2009, 01:17 PM

here's some more Picture of PALs first 773er (credits to paineairport.com)

"sorry pics are too large"

http://paineairport.com/images/kpae5648.png
http://paineairport.com/images/kpae5646.png
http://paineairport.com/images/kpae5649.png
http://paineairport.com/images/kpae5647.png

it still looks classic.. simple and elegant but in IMO the Title "Philippines" should be a bit closer to the first set of Doors, but thats just me though.

Noize_320

November 7th, 2009, 01:55 PM

^^ streched ang title dahil mahaba kasi eh :lol:

dashalvin

November 7th, 2009, 02:50 PM

Elegant and clean livery. I rate this as 9/10.

kiretoce

November 7th, 2009, 04:34 PM

http://paineairport.com/images/kpae5647.png

it still looks classic.. simple and elegant but in IMO the Title "Philippines" should be a bit closer to the first set of Doors, but thats just me though.

The placement of the word "Philippines" is fine. Because if you move it forward a little bit more, that's where the aircraft's fuselage is starting to slope towards the nose, which in effect will distort the word when viewed head-on from the side.

Sky Harbor

November 7th, 2009, 04:57 PM

^^ They could still at least kept the same condensed kerning as on the other planes. Though the name looks okay from certain angles, from this one, it does not. Blech! :down:

mwg12a

November 7th, 2009, 05:21 PM

Be careful what you guys say, if someone picks it up and get the idea, they'd call it substandard and needs to be world class status..LOL PEACE.

Beautiful shots by the way!

I thought there are reports here that stated they defered the delivery of this big bird citing economic crisis as the culprit in the delay? Anybody??

dexter06

November 7th, 2009, 06:30 PM

Thanks for the pics. Simple and elegant indeed. I like the last one best.

FlashCollider

November 7th, 2009, 10:04 PM

FlashCollider

November 7th, 2009, 10:06 PM

bumbilya

November 8th, 2009, 12:47 AM

it does reflect a quiet and confident sophistication. now imagine if the title were something other than one honoring the former king of spain, one that truly belongs to our heritage.

hybridace101

November 8th, 2009, 12:53 AM

Very nice! I wish some select crew had the familiarisation exercise in that area to keep the spread between its first touchdown date and first commercial flight short.

dashalvin

November 8th, 2009, 04:08 AM

May bago nabang livery ang Bombardies ng 2P?

hybridace101

November 8th, 2009, 04:24 AM

Where can we see a mock-up of PR's 77W in its old livery/logo?

Sky Harbor

November 8th, 2009, 05:49 AM

Word has it down on A.Net that the first flight of RP-C7777 will be MNL-HKG-MNL on November 24.

hybridace101

November 8th, 2009, 06:28 AM

Sky Harbor

November 8th, 2009, 12:07 PM

^^ I forgot to mention that it will do two rotations on that day, and the flight numbers are mentioned on A.Net.

kiretoce

November 8th, 2009, 03:07 PM

it does reflect a quiet and confident sophistication. now imagine if the title were something other than one honoring the former king of spain, one that truly belongs to our heritage.

Ahh....but you forget that Spain is inextricably part of our heritage, it's part of our history. One cannot just simply dismiss the existence of the fact that Madre España did play a role in shaping and molding the nation to what it is now.

Ph Man

November 8th, 2009, 03:20 PM

^^ I forgot to mention that it will do two rotations on that day, and the flight numbers are mentioned on A.Net.

can you please post the flight numbers here? if A.net allows it.

nice find rodz!

Sou-jiro

November 8th, 2009, 03:26 PM

It was not yet reflected on philippineairlines.com but I'm betting it should be PR300/301. The forum also said that PR will leave the services between MNL-CEB/HKG for the time being. What a way to get their investment back quickly! I know Cat2 is restricting them from flying the 77W back to the US and they shelved plans for the EU in the foreseeable future. Can't they try flying to MEL/SYD even just 1x a week or do they need AU government approval to fly that new plane?

or Even SYD/BRIS or SYD/AUK

this is feasabile even if not daily there is enough market for them in New Zealand. An extra 3 hours from Syd is a piece of cake to 773 lots of carrier does from Syd.
Air China does is so does EK and MH as far as i know. to other carriers
New Zealand if what Guam is to Pal.

btw offtopic:
was at the beach near runway last week and all 3 A380 at same time were in Sydney EK, SQ then QF.

EK left 8:30am EK412 to AUK then flew back to Syd EK413 then evening then back to Dubai.

does anyone know what routes Thai 744s served?..coz i havent seen then here lately its all benn A346 i though they use A346 in Europe.

seven13

November 8th, 2009, 03:29 PM

can you please post the flight numbers here? if A.net allows it.

nice find rodz!

300/301 and 306/307 if I'm not wrong.

Sky Harbor

November 8th, 2009, 03:34 PM

can you please post the flight numbers here? if A.net allows it.

300/301 and 306/307 if I'm not wrong.

Well, someone guessed right. The flights are PR 300/301 and PR 306/307, which frees up the 747s used on these flights.

Ph Man

November 8th, 2009, 03:45 PM

Cool! Thanks guys. I checked PR booking. Those flights are priced at $200+ roundtrip. Published at PR site are still A330s/B747s.

hybridace101

November 8th, 2009, 04:04 PM

kiretoce

November 8th, 2009, 04:08 PM

^^ Short trips equates to more frequencies. And when larger aircrafts are being utilized on those routes is a "cash cow" for the airline.

hybridace101

November 8th, 2009, 04:28 PM

or Even SYD/BRIS or SYD/AUK

this is feasabile even if not daily there is enough market for them in New Zealand. An extra 3 hours from Syd is a piece of cake to 773 lots of carrier does from Syd.

A route like SYD-AKL certainly needs AU/NZ government approval on top of existing agreements. Don't forget that QF and NZ already dominate this market and they would certainly like to protect it from newer, smaller players. I even recall that SQ lost its bid to open a SIN-SYD-LAX flight.

^^ Short trips equates to more frequencies. And when larger aircrafts are being utilized on those routes is a "cash cow" for the airline.

If the 77W gets deployed to MEL/SYD, it can free-up A330s which can be re-allocated to other strong destinations like SIN, KIX and ICN which now use narrow-body aircraft and whose flight times exceed 3 hours.

hikouki

November 8th, 2009, 05:02 PM

That's what I said earlier. PAL will probably have to issue a press release first before reflecting this new aircraft in their booking system. Also, in their timetable, both 300/301 and 306/307 are listed as EQV.

It's interesting that within the region, these longer aircraft are used more often in flights under 2 hours while those who travel on longer flights have to bear with a cramped single-aisle aircraft. What's PR's logic behind that? How can passengers enjoy what these longer aircraft have to offer if they are used for much shorter flights?

^^ Short trips equates to more frequencies. And when larger aircrafts are being utilized on those routes is a "cash cow" for the airline.

As I've mentioned before, an airline will want to use a NEW aircraft TYPE on as many cycles as possible in a day order to acquaint the crew with the facilities onboard. Again, SQ used the A380 to Malaysia many times (though non-revenue, I think) prior to the inaugural. JAL toyed around with the ERJs on domestic hops prior to formal entry into service. TG's A340s did domestic hops prior to being introduced into the international network. The CX A346s did many HKG-TPE and HKG-MNL flights prior to flying HKG-Japan, and finally doing HKG-JFK, for which they were leased.

oninBadz

November 8th, 2009, 05:06 PM

any news about ERJ conquering Phil.skies??just love to see those planes in the Philippines.:banana:

boom_box

November 8th, 2009, 06:54 PM

any news about ERJ conquering Phil.skies??just love to see those planes in the Philippines.:banana:

mukhang malabo ata pumasok ERJ or maski yung E-jets... regional jets lang kasi yun... dehado ang pax capacity.. :)

Sky Harbor

November 8th, 2009, 07:15 PM

^^ E-jets or CRJs would be nice for lesser-density domestic routes that are too inefficiently-served by turboprops but do not need the capacity of A319s or A320s. CEB-ILO would be an example.

kiretoce

November 8th, 2009, 08:59 PM

Wala lang....

Air France ordered to pay traveler P1.3m (http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/insideNews.htm?f=2009/november/7/news8.isx&d=/2009/november/7)

The Supreme Court has ordered Air France to pay a Filipino traveler P1.3 million for breach of contract, a failure that caused his overseas trip to become an ordeal instead of a pleasurable one.

The Court’s First Division denied Air France’s petition to reverse a Makati court’s decision finding for the traveler, John Anthony de Camilis, and the Court of Appeals’ decision affirming it.

“Both the Regional Trial Court and the [appeals court] have competently ruled on the issue of respondent’s entitlement to damages and attorney’s fees, as they properly laid down both the factual and legal bases for their respective decisions,” Associate Justice Renato Corona said.

“We see no reason to disturb their findings.”

De Camilis said he went on a pilgrimage to Europe with a group of Filipinos—in what year it wasn’t clear—but Air France’s agent in Paris failed to inform him that he needed a transit visa to Moscow. As a result, he was denied entry to the Russian capital and endured a humiliating interrogation by the police.

He also complained that another Air France agent, a Ms. Soeyesol, rudely denied his request to contact his travel companions to inform them that he was being sent back to Paris from Moscow with a police escort.

Soeyesol even reported him as a security threat, resulting in his being further questioned by the police in Paris and Rome, and canceled his flight coupons for the rest of his trip.

Air France’s agents in Rome also refused to honor his confirmed flight to Paris for his connecting flight to Manila.