^^ It can't be 4-5. PAL has 18 A320s, and the RP-C32xx A320s are way outnumbered by the RP-C86xx A320s. I doubt PAL finds it profitable to give 13-14 A320s away to 2P just to make its domestic operations profitable.

I think PAL stands to lose some passengers, and frequent fliers at that if they transfer most of their ops to 2P. Everytime 2P operates a flight on behalf of PAL, mileage accrual and redemption are blocked. Even PALexpress participated in mabuhay miles, until it became "operated by AirPhils." And not as if 2P's image is all that clean.

Caticlan airport expansion in phases over 7 years
By Kristine L. Alave
PDI , First Posted 14:18:00 01/30/2010

MANILA, Philippines – The expansion of the Caticlan Airport in Aklan, the gateway to the popular island resort of Boracay, will benefit 1.2 million passengers annually when completed in seven years, the Department of Tourism said.

Tourism Secretary Ace Durano said the project, which started two weeks ago, would open the airport to larger aircraft. At present, the airport can accommodate only small planes because of its narrow runway. It also saw several plane accidents in the past few years, with aircraft overshooting the runway.

“One of the world’s best beaches deserves a first-class airport," Durano said in a press statement on Friday. "We join Boracay's stakeholders in upholding this milestone as it aims to haul in a sizeable traffic of tourists and create more jobs for the people.”

Renowned for its sugar-fine white sand, Boracay is a top destination for beach lovers all over the world. In 2009, Boracay received nearly 700,000 tourists, the DoT said.

The P2.507-billion build-operate-transfer project, which was awarded to the private consortium Caticlan International Airport Development Company (CIADC), involves three construction phases covering a total of seven years.

From 950 meters by 30 meters, the runway will be upgraded to 2,100 meters by 45 meters.

“The widening and lengthening of the runway will allow bigger aircraft such as the Airbus to bring in more passengers straight to Caticlan,” said Durano.

The DoT said the hill near the runway would not be completely leveled off although it would have to be tapered down to some extent to ensure safety during takeoff.

Aside from runway expansion, the upgrade of the Caticlan Airport will include the addition of a second level to the terminal building, a fire station and the installation of fencing and navigational aids.

Guys,
Sorry if this has been discussed, but does anyone know the details of an airshow at Clark in February?
Is their a relevant website?

Many thanks
Brad

There are only two remaining of the original PAL A320s (RP-C3221 and ~3). The remaining 5 of the RP-C32xx series are second-hand (leased?). That makes 7. All of these have only economy seats. The front rows however, could be "converted" into a business class area where the middle seat seatback is brought down to become a sidetable.

All the rest, the RP-C86xx series, were delivered brand-new, and with proper business class seats. ~8600 to 03 are A319s, btw). They have the coastal theme.

Actually, the later RP-C32xx series (RP-C3227, RP-C3230 and RP-C3231 from what I've seen) A320s have proper Mabuhay Class seats.

Guys,
Sorry if this has been discussed, but does anyone know the details of an airshow at Clark in February?
Is their a relevant website?

Many thanks
Brad

Don't worry, I ended up finding it :lol:

If interested:

http://www.clarksubicmarketing.com/news/clark_hot_air_balloon_festival.htm

I probably forecast new A350/A380/widebody talks suspended until we get Cat 1 restored which will probably be unlikely for another few years.

They say the key to the CAAP's success in conforming with ICAO standards is competent staff which means to make them attractive, the CAAP will have to match their compensation package with what is offered by their private sector counterparts. Does the CAAP's charter allow them to set such packages in a relatively autonomous manner of the central government?

^^
There are only two remaining of the original PAL A320s (RP-C3221 and ~3). The remaining 5 of the RP-C32xx series are second-hand (leased?). That makes 7. All of these have only economy seats. The front rows however, could be "converted" into a business class area where the middle seat seatback is brought down to become a sidetable.

All the rest, the RP-C86xx series, were delivered brand-new, and with proper business class seats. ~8600 to 03 are A319s, btw). They have the coastal theme.

Not entirely true.The 21 and 23 are also fitted with business class seats. Likewise, the 28-++ have business class seats as well. As a matter of fact, they have 2 types of front row seats for that, the one convertible to side table, which they used before for all economy and the regular business class seats that were used by the previous operator, except that it doesn't have AVOD. What I'm not sure is what are they using now since I haven't climb the older ones lately.

Actually, the later RP-C32xx series (RP-C3227, RP-C3230 and RP-C3231 from what I've seen) A320s have proper Mabuhay Class seats.

There you go.

Did you know that RP-C3226+ were originally ordered by PAL but the remaining 5 were not taken up in 1998 due to bankruptcy? Guess what, it goes back to them in some other ways. That means 2P were supposed to received the remaining seven [2+5],(used to be nine, with 1 733 and another 320 that crashed in BXU).

Going back to 2P. I did broke the news before that they will have the older 320 of PR for their fleet when the 5 options are firmed and delivered. The plan was for 2P to be PR's LCC in competition with 5J just like Jetstar of Qantas. That was before the fuel crisis and the financial crisis.

During that time, PR ended up firming only two and deferring the other three options. 2P forcefully retired its gas-guzzling 732. PR also deferred orders for new wide-bodies. That was not the plan 4 years ago but they ended up adopting the changing times to survive. PR was also forced to sell its remaining 733 for cash to dampen hedging losses. After all, they are for themselves now.

Two years after that, 2P already lost its market grounds. When PR sold the 733, 2P was left with only two operating jets on its fleet. The outcome is inevitable. They have two choices. Stop now and survive or continue and bleed to death. 2P opts for the former and live to fight another day.

For now they are not in the best position to compete, much more bled further because today is a different marketplace. 2P has no more fleet to call its own. Its very interesting to note that Q3 belongs to them and leased to PR yet 2P are operating them in Palex name. Why? To guarantee their survival. Its fondly called qualified leaseback in airline finance. They still have to convince PAL stockholders though that its working for them. For now that is the way it is. Airbuses are out of the picture.

Meanwhile, PR is waging its own battle to survive. It is operating already on an LCC mode just like CX to be competitive against the LCC onslaught. Other legacy carriers are bailed already by their own government just to survive the heat. Our legacy carrier does that without government intervention. That is already a feat by itself if you contrast that with JAL and mighty ILFC or our better neighbors MAS and THA with future A380 to boot.

Between xzibit31's VP and my sources, I stick to mine. No sarcasm intended. I just stand by my words. :)

I probably forecast new A350/A380/widebody talks suspended until we get Cat 1 restored which will probably be unlikely for another few years.

They say the key to the CAAP's success in conforming with ICAO standards is competent staff which means to make them attractive, the CAAP will have to match their compensation package with what is offered by their private sector counterparts. Does the CAAP's charter allow them to set such packages in a relatively autonomous manner of the central government?

Yes. Unfortunately, the Generals are benefiting from it!

^^



Between xzibit31's VP and my sources, I stick to mine. No sarcasm intended. I just stand by my words. :)

i respect that arianspace. i would also stick to my sources also.:)

^^


Not entirely true.The 21 and 23 are also fitted with business class seats. Likewise, the 28-++ have business class seats as well. As a matter of fact, they have 2 types of front row seats for that, the one convertible to side table, which they used before for all economy and the regular business class seats that were used by the previous operator, except that it doesn't have AVOD. What I'm not sure is what are they using now since I haven't climb the older ones lately.





Um, that was exactly what I meant for ~3221 and ~3
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/4/5/5/0953554.jpg

Economy seats converted into business seats. That's why I used the word "proper" to refer to the large business seat.

AFAIK, some of the second hand planes also have this type of seats albeilt leather upholstered.

FACTS:

1. PAL 320's with Registry RPC 3227 and 3228 has no IFE anymore. It was removed weeks ago.

2. Cabin Crew of Air Philippines flew with PAL last week for their 320 Checkride.

3. Some PAL Flight deck were offered and scheduled to transfer to Air Philippines:)

Um, that was exactly what I meant for ~3221 and ~3

Ah, Ok. Point taken. On that note,

FACTS:

1. PAL 320's with Registry RPC 3227 and 3228 has no IFE anymore. It was removed weeks ago.

2. Cabin Crew of Air Philippines flew with PAL last week for their 320 Checkride.

3. Some PAL Flight deck were offered and scheduled to transfer to Air Philippines:)

Well and Good. I hope the problems with ALPAP are resolved now as affected pilots are bent on stopping the transfer. Them flying for 2P remains to be seen in the days to come. Although I must admit that flying A320 is a long time coming for them when they could have made it 2 years ago. And for a while I thought PR will start removing the 21 and 23 for 2P lease. That remains to be seen too following Hikouki's famous acronym! I wonder though where the B737 pilots went?

FACTS:

1. PAL 320's with Registry RPC 3227 and 3228 has no IFE anymore. It was removed weeks ago.

Sad, since I have pictures of RP-C3227 with IFE installed. At the same time, the aircraft has Mabuhay Class seats. What will happen to those?

Caticlan airport expansion in phases over 7 years
By Kristine L. Alave
PDI , First Posted 14:18:00 01/30/2010

MANILA, Philippines – The expansion of the Caticlan Airport in Aklan, the gateway to the popular island resort of Boracay, will benefit 1.2 million passengers annually when completed in seven years, the Department of Tourism said.

Tourism Secretary Ace Durano said the project, which started two weeks ago, would open the airport to larger aircraft. At present, the airport can accommodate only small planes because of its narrow runway. It also saw several plane accidents in the past few years, with aircraft overshooting the runway.

“One of the world’s best beaches deserves a first-class airport," Durano said in a press statement on Friday. "We join Boracay's stakeholders in upholding this milestone as it aims to haul in a sizeable traffic of tourists and create more jobs for the people.”

Renowned for its sugar-fine white sand, Boracay is a top destination for beach lovers all over the world. In 2009, Boracay received nearly 700,000 tourists, the DoT said.

The P2.507-billion build-operate-transfer project, which was awarded to the private consortium Caticlan International Airport Development Company (CIADC), involves three construction phases covering a total of seven years.

[COLOR="Red"][SIZE="3"][B]From 950 meters by 30 meters, the runway will be upgraded to 2,100 meters by 45 meters.

“.

May balita ba doon sa Carabao Island airport?

FACTS:

1. PAL 320's with Registry RPC 3227 and 3228 has no IFE anymore. It was removed weeks ago.

2. Cabin Crew of Air Philippines flew with PAL last week for their 320 Checkride.

3. Some PAL Flight deck were offered and scheduled to transfer to Air Philippines:)

Will those A320's be reconfigured to 180-Y just like 5J? Or will 2P follow PAL's bi-class configuration?

http://i50.tinypic.com/2q8rnro.jpg
CHENGDU, CHINA
Is embattled Philippine Airlines set to resume service to the booming Sic Southwest China's economic capital city of Chengdu?

Just heard it thru the grapevine that PAL management is considering flying again to Chendu, Sichuan province sometime this year.

It have been recalled PAL abruptly ceased operations to Chengdu and Chongqing after the tragic eathquake that struck both cities in 2008.

In the meantime, PAL will be operating aspecial charter flight between Chengdu and Kalibo v on February 14 and Kalibo to Chengdu and Manila on February 18 to accommodate Chinese New Year Holidays tourists.

Special flights utilizing A320 aircraft between Taipei and both Kalibo and Cebu will also be mounted during the Chinese New Year Holidays. Flights to Beijing and Shanghai and vice versa will be upgraded to Boeing 747 400 and A330 aircraft from the usual A320 between February 11 to 21.

An additional -Manila-Hong Kong-Cebu flight on February 12-13 and Cebu-Hong Kong-Manila flight on February 16-17 will also be mounted.

The Chinese Lunar New Year holidays, is one of the busiest travel period particularly for Chinese who mark the holidays by vacationing in other countries.

Will those A320's be reconfigured to 180-Y just like 5J? Or will 2P follow PAL's bi-class configuration?

The A320s in question came with all-Y seats which are convertible to European-style J seats (three seats where the middle seat is left vacant).

I don't think it is 2P's business model to operate a C and Y class, especially if it is aiming to be an LCC.

^^ He's referring to the seats, as the old 737s had J seats in the first two rows despite it being a mono-class operation.

It's more appropriate to post it here...Pinagkaguluhan kasi sa Cawmhoring thread sa Samahan Forum, wahehehe!!! :lol:

PAL Flight Attendants on board Flight PR140 (26 Jan 2010)
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/9338/palfa.jpg

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/3619/palscreen.jpg

Nice photos Bernie. PAL's FAs look very formal. Do all Iloilo flights have business class? Even their 8pm flight is bi-class.

I was able to buy promo tickets of PAL last week. We're off to Iloilo on March 13! :)

^^ He's referring to the seats, as the old 737s had J seats in the first two rows despite it being a mono-class operation.

Even those 733s and 734s were monoclass. Only a handful of 733s (I think two or three at most) had the proper business seats in front, and these were the RP-C~ registered planes that PAL kept on setting aside for Presidential regional flights. If I'm not mistaken, PAL's last 733 - the one that went to 2P - was one of these 'Pinoy' 737s. The monoclass 737s were all Irish (EI~) registered, IIRC.

Nice photos Bernie. PAL's FAs look very formal. Do all Iloilo flights have business class? Even their 8pm flight is bi-class.

I was able to buy promo tickets of PAL last week. We're off to Iloilo on March 13! :)

Yup...they do have business class. I think all Iloilo flights has.

Will those A320's be reconfigured to 180-Y just like 5J? Or will 2P follow PAL's bi-class configuration?

Supposing the A320s with convertible seats (i.e., RP-C3221 and ~3, etc.) get converted to all-Y config, then the seat count just gains an additional 6 seats. 150 (current seats) + 6 (former middle seats aka sidetables) = 156 all-economy --> Just like the seat count for the RP-C86xx series, only the latter has proper (large) business seats.

To reconfigure the RP-C32xx series to 180 seats would have to involve adjusting the seat pitch and adding some extra rows.

To reconfigure the RP-C86xx series to 180 seats requires that the business seats be removed, then replaced with regular economy seats, then the pitch needs to be adjusted to allow for more rows like mentioned above..

Reconfiguring the aircraft will definitely need some time and money.

I was trying to book a flight over at the PAL website but I noticed there wasn't a space for middle initial. Do I need to put my middle initial/name int eh space for First Name/Given Name or do I just omit putting it?

^^ Omit the middle initial.

^^ Thanks. I was just worried I might have problems at check in.

Yup...they do have business class. I think all Iloilo flights has.

All mainline PAL domestic flights have Mabuhay Class.

There are only two remaining of the original PAL A320s (RP-C3221 and ~3). The remaining 5 of the RP-C32xx series are second-hand (leased?). That makes 7. All of these have only economy seats. The front rows however, could be "converted" into a business class area where the middle seat seatback is brought down to become a sidetable.

All the rest, the RP-C86xx series, were delivered brand-new, and with proper business class seats. ~8600 to 03 are A319s, btw). They have the coastal theme.

So there are sever old A320's. And the costal themes including the A319s are 11?

So there are sever old A320's. And the costal themes including the A319s are 11?

Yup:
7x old A320s (RP-C32xx series)
4x new A319 (RP-C8600 ~ 3)
11x new A320 (RP-C8604 onwards) ...parang meron pa to be delivered later (?)

^^ PAL has five unused A320 options.

FACTS:

1. PAL 320's with Registry RPC 3227 and 3228 has no IFE anymore. It was removed weeks ago.

2. Cabin Crew of Air Philippines flew with PAL last week for their 320 Checkride.

3. Some PAL Flight deck were offered and scheduled to transfer to Air Philippines:)

OMG! So this is all true!! 2P will be resurrected. They just hired these FA's last December and until now.. Now they are on training. So this is really confirmed.

I'm so concerned about this as my job is at the stake of recall. I'm don't how to feel, elated, happy or excited...


CHENGDU, CHINA
Is embattled Philippine Airlines set to resume service to the booming Sic Southwest China's economic capital city of Chengdu?

Just heard it thru the grapevine that PAL management is considering flying again to Chendu, Sichuan province sometime this year.

It have been recalled PAL abruptly ceased operations to Chengdu and Chongqing after the tragic eathquake that struck both cities in 2008.

The Chinese Lunar New Year holidays, is one of the busiest travel period particularly for Chinese who mark the holidays by vacationing in other countries.

Oo nga siguro dapat its time na... recovered na siguro yung cities after the Earthquake... may market potentialdito...


I don't think it is 2P's business model to operate a C and Y class, especially if it is aiming to be an LCC.

Pero maganda ding business scheme kung me business class sila for those pax looking for budget business class with valued services ala Star Class ng Jeststar Or yung First Class ng Virgin America. Simple Business Class pero yung products ala Premium Economy Class lang, budget model pa din.
For Example:
J Class - Free food, entertainment system, priority bag tags and check-in lanes, normal baggage allowance (but budget fare and not comparable to standard business class of legacyt carriers)
Y Class - Buy on board food services or free drinks onboard na lang. Entertainment system pay-per view as well as using other amenities me bayad lahat. Standard economy LCC ang amenities na pati pagpili ng seat reservation at additional baggage allowance ay may bayad.

Mauungasan nila 5J dyan...

Howdee,
For Sydney and Melbourne based PAL fans, looks like a B744 rostered out of Manila and getting here in the morning (Monday).

12.15 departure from Sydney back to Manila.

:banana::banana::banana::banana:

I think that plane used to grace Tokyo-Manila flight before it was taken over by 77W. By March, It will be going Mideast while the 77W goes Oz.

Is the 77W being used for domestic flights as well?

Can sopmeone please help me with details of the aviation museum at NAIA.

Opening times and a contact number and location would be awesome.
Cant find anything besides a long list of items on display.

Brad

It's more appropriate to post it here...Pinagkaguluhan kasi sa Cawmhoring thread sa Samahan Forum, wahehehe!!! :lol:

PAL Flight Attendants on board Flight PR140 (26 Jan 2010)
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/9338/palfa.jpg

http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/3619/palscreen.jpg

Do we see that airshow in PR's 77W? I understand that is becoming the most common airshow used by major airlines like SQ, CX, DL.

^^Yes, i think that's the Panasonic iXplor airshow being used on PR's 77Ws.
BTW, when is PR's third 77W arriving?

Is the 77W being used for domestic flights as well?

nope.:)

^^Yes, i think that's the Panasonic iXplor airshow being used on PR's 77Ws.
BTW, when is PR's third 77W arriving?

I am guessing 2012 at best but since Cat2 is increasingly unlikely to be lifted thanks to the CAAP, 2014 is a more realistic target.

I checked a TR posted here: http://www.wings900.com/vb/1-1-civil-aviation/46093-trip-report-lucky-triple-seven-mnl-hkg-philippine-airlines.html and after looking at the picture of the airshow, it does not look the same as the one in the A320.

Yup:
7x old A320s (RP-C32xx series)
4x new A319 (RP-C8600 ~ 3)
11x new A320 (RP-C8604 onwards) ...parang meron pa to be delivered later (?)
don't you think Pal should release their newer a319s as well to 2p?.There are several airports where a320s can't operate or are restricted.Even a319s are already in weight penalty but 5j is able utilize them.Case in example Ozamiz, Pal is using a319.When commercial flights start in Pagadian, you think Pal can still apply their current business model when it is expected there will be a reduction in passenger traffic? I bet we will be seing a 2p a319 operating as a true LCC(fares more or less equal with 5j).As for the mainline Pal domestic routes that warrants business and coach class; this is where they should keep their newer a320s!

don't you think Pal should release their newer a319s as well to 2p?.There are several airports where a320s can't operate or are restricted.Even a319s are already in weight penalty but 5j is able utilize them.Case in example Ozamiz, Pal is using a319.When commercial flights start in Pagadian, you think Pal can still apply their current business model when it is expected there will be a reduction in passenger traffic? I bet we will be seing a 2p a319 operating as a true LCC(fares more or less equal with 5j).As for the mainline Pal domestic routes that warrants business and coach class; this is where they should keep their newer a320s!

I think 5J's A319s are heavier than PR's. For one, the CebuPac A319s have 150 all-economy seats, necessitating two overwing emergency exits. The PAL A319s have only 134 seats and the standard single-overwing emergency exit.

If 2P gets them, then it would be interesting to find out what they would do with the business section (keep it as is; or remove the seats to replace them with regular economy seats).

Today’s Headlines

Posted on 11:28 PM, January 31, 2010

Strike notice filed by PAL union

A STRIKE NOTICE has been filed by employees of Philippine Airlines (PAL) over a cost-cutting plan aimed at stabilizing the flag carrier’s finances.

But going to the picket lines remains a last option, the Philippine Airlines Employees’ Association (PALEA) said, noting that the strike notice is primarily aimed at getting the government involved in settling a dispute over the airline’s plans.

"The decision to file a notice of strike is to attain the highest degree of participation and involvement of the government in resolving the current situation in PAL. We feel that negotiations in the NCMB (National Conciliation and Mediation Board) would not go anywhere without the government’s intervention and help in negotiations," PALEA President Edgardo C. Oredina told BusinessWorld.

"[A] strike, however, is only a worst case scenario," he added.

In its strike notice, PALEA cited "intended mass lay-off of union members and officers by April 2010, illegal outsourcing of regular positions, direct negotiations with union members, unresolved issues during preventive mediation, and non-compliance of pay scale review during settlement of the wage distortion."

PAL President Jaime J. Bautista last August announced that the airline needed to adopt cost-cutting measures amid a global industry downturn. Among the options being considered, he then said, were aircraft sales, cutting routes, layoffs and a search for a white knight.

Both management and the union began negotiations regarding the outsourcing of non-critical jobs in September. PALEA requested for preventive mediation from the NCMB that month and then asked for the suspension of talks in October, citing the lack of progress.

The DoLE stepped in but was unable to present an early retirement plan acceptable to PALEA, which also asked Malacañang to intervene.

Mr. Oredina said the government must either "help the flag carrier financially to either survive and keep all of its current employees or to provide acceptable separation pay to those willing to be retrenched..."

"Policies that do not protect the flag carrier are one cause of the falling revenues. The government must be willing to put PAL under rehabilitation and infuse fresh capital to it to save it and our jobs because if something happens to the flag carrier it is a black mark on the government," he said

The Labor department, said Mr. Oredina, will be calling a meeting between PAL and PALEA this week.

PAL management, for its part, urged the union to look at the "bigger picture and rise to the occasion.’

"The management of Philippine Airlines is deeply saddened by the decision of the PALEA to file a notice of strike at this critical juncture when the airline is struggling to stabilize its finances as a result of the worst-ever downturn in the global aviation history," it said in a statement.

"We urge PALEA to look at the bigger picture and rise to the occasion. It is particularly instructive to consider the example of other legacy flag carriers, where management and employees have shown the will to make sacrifices to save the company."

It added that it was continuing to communicate with PALEA and hoped that negotiations would be civil and open.

The Labor department normally assumes jurisdiction over labor disputes that are in the national interest. Labor Secretary Marianito D. Roque declined to comment, telling BusinessWorld "can’t pass judgment [now] as it would prejudice the case."

Mr. Oredina said: "There are long and complex talks ahead but the main point is to save the flag carrier. We are not for outsourcing but we are open to options for the sake of our members." -- E. N. J. David

^^

I hope aircraft sales and cutting routes aren't going to be what PR is forced to do. We can't afford another return to the Asian crisis moves.

Today’s Headlines

Posted on 11:28 PM, January 31, 2010

Strike notice filed by PAL union

A STRIKE NOTICE has been filed by employees of Philippine Airlines (PAL) over a cost-cutting plan aimed at stabilizing the flag carrier’s finances.

But going to the picket lines remains a last option, the Philippine Airlines Employees’ Association (PALEA) said, noting that the strike notice is primarily aimed at getting the government involved in settling a dispute over the airline’s plans.

"The decision to file a notice of strike is to attain the highest degree of participation and involvement of the government in resolving the current situation in PAL. We feel that negotiations in the NCMB (National Conciliation and Mediation Board) would not go anywhere without the government’s intervention and help in negotiations," PALEA President Edgardo C. Oredina told BusinessWorld.

"[A] strike, however, is only a worst case scenario," he added.

In its strike notice, PALEA cited "intended mass lay-off of union members and officers by April 2010, illegal outsourcing of regular positions, direct negotiations with union members, unresolved issues during preventive mediation, and non-compliance of pay scale review during settlement of the wage distortion."

PAL President Jaime J. Bautista last August announced that the airline needed to adopt cost-cutting measures amid a global industry downturn. Among the options being considered, he then said, were aircraft sales, cutting routes, layoffs and a search for a white knight.

Both management and the union began negotiations regarding the outsourcing of non-critical jobs in September. PALEA requested for preventive mediation from the NCMB that month and then asked for the suspension of talks in October, citing the lack of progress.

The DoLE stepped in but was unable to present an early retirement plan acceptable to PALEA, which also asked Malacañang to intervene.

Mr. Oredina said the government must either "help the flag carrier financially to either survive and keep all of its current employees or to provide acceptable separation pay to those willing to be retrenched..."

"Policies that do not protect the flag carrier are one cause of the falling revenues. The government must be willing to put PAL under rehabilitation and infuse fresh capital to it to save it and our jobs because if something happens to the flag carrier it is a black mark on the government," he said

The Labor department, said Mr. Oredina, will be calling a meeting between PAL and PALEA this week.

PAL management, for its part, urged the union to look at the "bigger picture and rise to the occasion.’

"The management of Philippine Airlines is deeply saddened by the decision of the PALEA to file a notice of strike at this critical juncture when the airline is struggling to stabilize its finances as a result of the worst-ever downturn in the global aviation history," it said in a statement.

"We urge PALEA to look at the bigger picture and rise to the occasion. It is particularly instructive to consider the example of other legacy flag carriers, where management and employees have shown the will to make sacrifices to save the company."

It added that it was continuing to communicate with PALEA and hoped that negotiations would be civil and open.

The Labor department normally assumes jurisdiction over labor disputes that are in the national interest. Labor Secretary Marianito D. Roque declined to comment, telling BusinessWorld "can’t pass judgment [now] as it would prejudice the case."

Mr. Oredina said: "There are long and complex talks ahead but the main point is to save the flag carrier. We are not for outsourcing but we are open to options for the sake of our members." -- E. N. J. David

i feel vindicated with this news. the news that the PAL VP gave me is slowly coming true.

CEB air complaint:

My father 69 years old, has undergone minor cyst operations at the Outpatient Department of PGH in Manila last December 22, 2009. Having his desire to go back home in our place in Bicol, to avoid the rush and inconvenience of riding by land, I decided to book him and my brother by air bound for Naga online via Cebu Pacific Air scheduled 1:55 PM, 25 December 2009.

During the said travel date and time my father and my brother proceeded to NAIA terminal 3 for check-in. When CEB teller noticed my father bondage she asked for medical certificate of my father’s fit to travel, a document he do not posses, thinking because my fathers’ surgery was done outpatient and only a minor one. Airline booking was done on-line where nobody except the computer to ask queries and on that same website does not bear any visible advisory or requirement for such situation.

Requesting that the passengers (the patient and my brother) to just sign a waiver and let them board, CEB teller has never listen to such pleading. While my father can do nothing but to follow the very strict rule of the airline company my father has just decided to refund the fare. To make sure it will be honored by CEB he requested the teller to have their presence validated or just note on the ticket that the passenger has shown up on the time and date of travel but CEB teller refuse to do so and just tell the father to just secure medical certificate declaring him unfit to travel by air on that date.

I have no question about their rules to deny the patient to travel their aircraft, it is their responsibility anyway whatever happens to the passenger however, on the situation where the airline company is the one who refuse the passenger to board based on their own judgment then let the passenger refund their fare without any hassle. What is unfortunate is that CEB unilaterally declared the passenger as unfit to travel and denied boarding, now they require the passenger to secure doctor’s certificate to declare as such for the passenger to refund the fare. Is this fair?

They even do not accept the official medical records from PGH signed by the records custodian an official record authorized and recognized by government authorities, this happens when I tried to refund our ticket in their Robinson’s Ermita Office in Manila on January 06, 2010. What they need aside from the said medical record are doctor’s personal certification, his license number and doctor's PRC ID which is very hard to acquire in PGH considering this is a public hospital where the patient is attended by whoever the doctors assigned on the day and time the patient was treated.

After submitting to those very stiff requirements to recover our fare my application was finally approve for refund, however actual refund will be reflected 3 months later. How unfair it is for a passenger who are only after the convenience of traveling on air which this companies promises to the riding public and yet they put them on a very odd situation, and now taking hostage the hard earned money of this passengers.

I have gone to several CEB booking offices I have never notice any written advisory regarding such rule on passenger medical condition requirement neither on their website for those booking on-line. Are they not aware that ill condition of the passenger would be aggravated by the inconvenience brought about by these lapses? While their go lite fares or their one peso fare occupy 2 or 3 pages of national papers on their advertisement why this simple but more important rule was never given priority for the riding public to be aware of.:ohno::ohno::ohno:

i feel vindicated with this news. the news that the PAL VP gave me is slowly coming true.

To make matters more nerve-wracking, Cat2 is looking increasingly unlikely to be lifted as this is a key reason why PR isn't performing well.

In case you forgot, we now have Delta flight numbers here. It a great thing DL280 flies from MNL-NRT and continues to ATL. That means MNL is paired-up with DL's main city.

CEB air complaint:

My father 69 years old, has undergone minor cyst operations at the Outpatient Department of PGH in Manila last December 22, 2009. Having his desire to go back home in our place in Bicol, to avoid the rush and inconvenience of riding by land, I decided to book him and my brother by air bound for Naga online via Cebu Pacific Air scheduled 1:55 PM, 25 December 2009.

During the said travel date and time my father and my brother proceeded to NAIA terminal 3 for check-in. When CEB teller noticed my father bondage she asked for medical certificate of my father’s fit to travel, a document he do not posses, thinking because my fathers’ surgery was done outpatient and only a minor one. Airline booking was done on-line where nobody except the computer to ask queries and on that same website does not bear any visible advisory or requirement for such situation.

Requesting that the passengers (the patient and my brother) to just sign a waiver and let them board, CEB teller has never listen to such pleading. While my father can do nothing but to follow the very strict rule of the airline company my father has just decided to refund the fare. To make sure it will be honored by CEB he requested the teller to have their presence validated or just note on the ticket that the passenger has shown up on the time and date of travel but CEB teller refuse to do so and just tell the father to just secure medical certificate declaring him unfit to travel by air on that date.

I have no question about their rules to deny the patient to travel their aircraft, it is their responsibility anyway whatever happens to the passenger however, on the situation where the airline company is the one who refuse the passenger to board based on their own judgment then let the passenger refund their fare without any hassle. What is unfortunate is that CEB unilaterally declared the passenger as unfit to travel and denied boarding, now they require the passenger to secure doctor’s certificate to declare as such for the passenger to refund the fare. Is this fair?

They even do not accept the official medical records from PGH signed by the records custodian an official record authorized and recognized by government authorities, this happens when I tried to refund our ticket in their Robinson’s Ermita Office in Manila on January 06, 2010. What they need aside from the said medical record are doctor’s personal certification, his license number and doctor's PRC ID which is very hard to acquire in PGH considering this is a public hospital where the patient is attended by whoever the doctors assigned on the day and time the patient was treated.

After submitting to those very stiff requirements to recover our fare my application was finally approve for refund, however actual refund will be reflected 3 months later. How unfair it is for a passenger who are only after the convenience of traveling on air which this companies promises to the riding public and yet they put them on a very odd situation, and now taking hostage the hard earned money of this passengers.

I have gone to several CEB booking offices I have never notice any written advisory regarding such rule on passenger medical condition requirement neither on their website for those booking on-line. Are they not aware that ill condition of the passenger would be aggravated by the inconvenience brought about by these lapses? While their go lite fares or their one peso fare occupy 2 or 3 pages of national papers on their advertisement why this simple but more important rule was never given priority for the riding public to be aware of.:ohno::ohno::ohno:

1. Upon choosing the flights you have selected, you need to tick a box before you proceed indicating that you have understood the "TERMS and CONDITIONS" of the airline - including those with medical cases. remember, it's an online booking, no one's going to recap the flights, the policies etc. to you, you need to read and review everything.

2. Though a minor surgery, it's still a surgery. If anything may happen in the air, it'll be the airline's liability.

3. I guess they've given you the full refund - you need to present those documents because they need those documents for proper documentation to support why your record will be refunded in full.

4. They usually give allowance on when the money will be credited back into your account. It'll be credited back on your next billing after the refund was processed by your bank...

In case you forgot, we now have Delta flight numbers here. It a great thing DL280 flies from MNL-NRT and continues to ATL. That means MNL is paired-up with DL's main city.

Still 5x a week? and 1 flight a day?

^^

I think you are referring to DL630 (MNL-NGO-DTW) which flies everyday except Th and F.

DL280 (MNL-NRT-ATL) is what is daily.

In case you forgot, we now have Delta flight numbers here.

NWA.com has also finally been taken down as of 11:59PM last night here in the US West Coast.

I thought they reduce their 2 daily flights to 1 and 5x weekly service only.

^^
1. Upon choosing the flights you have selected, you need to tick a box before you proceed indicating that you have understood the "TERMS and CONDITIONS" of the airline - including those with medical cases. remember, it's an online booking, no one's going to recap the flights, the policies etc. to you, you need to read and review everything.

2. Though a minor surgery, it's still a surgery. If anything may happen in the air, it'll be the airline's liability.

3. I guess they've given you the full refund - you need to present those documents because they need those documents for proper documentation to support why your record will be refunded in full.

4. They usually give allowance on when the money will be credited back into your account. It'll be credited back on your next billing after the refund was processed by your bank...

TRUE. The reality is the opposite however. So, the next time you travel don't neglect to read the terms of carriage if you have time and make sure you'll be prepared for it. Low cost has its price you know. In court, its never a reason for not knowing, except when its particularly legislated. That is why 5J is screwed on the child case, but not the case above.

1. Upon choosing the flights you have selected, you need to tick a box before you proceed indicating that you have understood the "TERMS and CONDITIONS" of the airline - including those with medical cases. remember, it's an online booking, no one's going to recap the flights, the policies etc. to you, you need to read and review everything.

2. Though a minor surgery, it's still a surgery. If anything may happen in the air, it'll be the airline's liability.

3. I guess they've given you the full refund - you need to present those documents because they need those documents for proper documentation to support why your record will be refunded in full.

4. They usually give allowance on when the money will be credited back into your account. It'll be credited back on your next billing after the refund was processed by your bank...

Thank you for your the information and attention on my case.

I understand there is that lenghty terms and condition written on a very small font that probably covers this case that may be I missed to read during my booking, however what I do not understand is that they insist that my father unfit to travel why do they not refund the ticket right there and then. What if the passenger has no extra money, where did they may go?

I tried to refund following their advice after two weeks I present them the medical certificate by PGH signed by the record custodian which is the usual transaction in a government hospital they do not accept that medical certificate. How easy it is to book in that company yet it is very hard to refund.

My concern is that there must be a simple refund mechanism on the situation where a passenger is denied boarding base on the airline judgement. They must treat this situation different from refund situation where the passenger is the one cancelled their travel.

I am a frequent flyer with CEB if you book a woman they ask if passenger is pregnant and I congratulate them for that so that preparation and special attention will be given but for other medical condition they do not ask unless you declare such condition and no advisory for that seen on any of there booking offices where I have been to. There are cases that on the passenger judgement they are fit to travel maybe the airline thinks otherwise, on this situation the airline must have a doctor on the airport to determine this situation. What if the passenger sneeze infront of the teller and the teller refuse the passenger to board based on his judgement? There must be an airport doctor to determine whether that simple sneezing may affect the other passenger or not.

You got a good point on refund policy. If you put it bluntly its outright robbery. The concern there is that they should at least pay you interest for using your money but they don't. That used to be the time when lawyers got busy. But with fares going down to almost equivalent to case acceptance fee, you end up on the losing side of the fence. As I said low cost has a price, and that is one of them.

Thank you for your the information and attention on my case.

I understand there is that lenghty terms and condition written on a very small font that probably covers this case that may be I missed to read during my booking, however what I do not understand is that they insist that my father unfit to travel why do they not refund the ticket right there and then. What if the passenger has no extra money, where did they may go?

I tried to refund following their advice after two weeks I present them the medical certificate by PGH signed by the record custodian which is the usual transaction in a government hospital they do not accept that medical certificate. How easy it is to book in that company yet it is very hard to refund.

My concern is that there must be a simple refund mechanism on the situation where a passenger is denied boarding base on the airline judgement. They must treat this situation different from refund situation where the passenger is the one cancelled their travel.

I am a frequent flyer with CEB if you book a woman they ask if passenger is pregnant and I congratulate them for that so that preparation and special attention will be given but for other medical condition they do not ask unless you declare such condition and no advisory for that seen on any of there booking offices where I have been to. There are cases that on the passenger judgement they are fit to travel maybe the airline thinks otherwise, on this situation the airline must have a doctor on the airport to determine this situation. What if the passenger sneeze infront of the teller and the teller refuse the passenger to board based on his judgement? There must be an airport doctor to determine whether that simple sneezing may affect the other passenger or not.

With regards to outright refund upon refusal for boarding - in every organization there is always what we call departments. Each department operates independent from the other that's why we are sometimes forwarded to a different offices when transacting.

The check in counter is different from the ticketing office. The check in counter is under the Airport Services Department and Ticketing is under the Sales Department. That's why your ticket was not refunded there in the check in.

Like what I've said, the documents are needed for proper documentation - like in every case there should be piece/s of evidence. The ticket refund is processed at the ticketing office (the agent knows the case because you deal with them personally) however, the request for refund will be forwarded to the accounting dept. The accounting department will then ask for the reason why the record should be refunded in full and ask for necessary documents.

It's just like how a system works. Remember, every office/organization in the world will not ask for any documents when they are not needed.

OT: do you know that the FAA no longer allow airlines to assist passengers in wheel chair in going up and down the stairs to the aircraft. Airline personnel are just allowed to assist the passenger up to the tube or door of the aircraft.

With regards to outright refund upon refusal for boarding - in every organization there is always what we call departments. Each department operates independent from the other that's why we are sometimes forwarded to a different offices when transacting.

The check in counter is different from the ticketing office. The check in counter is under the Airport Services Department and Ticketing is under the Sales Department. That's why your ticket was not refunded there in the check in.

Like what I've said, the documents are needed for proper documentation - like in every case there should be piece/s of evidence. The ticket refund is processed at the ticketing office (the agent knows the case because you deal with them personally) however, the request for refund will be forwarded to the accounting dept. The accounting department will then ask for the reason why the record should be refunded in full and ask for necessary documents.

It's just like how a system works. Remember, every office/organization in the world will not ask for any documents when they are not needed.

OT: do you know that the FAA no longer allow airlines to assist passengers in wheel chair in going up and down the stairs to the aircraft. Airline personnel are just allowed to assist the passenger up to the tube or door of the aircraft.

Thank you for enlightenment.

If you are employee or have access to CEB management please do consider also the inputs of your passengers, anyway they are the life blood of your business. Have a nice day...

Thank you for enlightenment.

If you are employee or have access to CEB management please do consider also the inputs of your passengers, anyway they are the life blood of your business. Have a nice day...

i agree with you.

most of the time, 5J forgets that the passengers are their life blood. but when they are out to get a quick buck, then always forget. its always money over the welfare of the riding public for 5J.

that is why i am a PAL perosn. i only ride 5J if i really have to.

^^

Actually, PR sometimes has a problem like when I retold a story about someone's troubles rebooking/cancelling his CHC-SYD-MNL flight. That's why in my next MNL-SIN trip, I will do my best to ensure it is SQ I will fly with.

^^

Actually, PR sometimes has a problem like when I retold a story about someone's troubles rebooking/cancelling his CHC-SYD-MNL flight. That's why in my next MNL-SIN trip, I will do my best to ensure it is SQ I will fly with.

sq is really nice but very expensive.

but i really dont have any problems with pal. with my extensive travels with pal i have not had any troubles with them, even with flight cancellations and flight re-booking.

well maybe i am just lucky.:lol:

Thank you for enlightenment.

If you are employee or have access to CEB management please do consider also the inputs of your passengers, anyway they are the life blood of your business. Have a nice day...

Actually I just based my analysis from how different organization works.. hehehe

And all companies have their own flaws. It's just that others may have overcome those through time. PAL have been in service for almost 70 years and Cebu Pacific for only 14 years. It's a young airline and still learning from it's mistakes. :)

@xzibit For now until 31 March, you can get MNL-SIN-MNL tickets at less than USD275 on SQ. It's pretty close to what PR offers. Remember, PR is less likely to give you no personal IFE and worse, a narrow-body aircraft. Furthermore, econolight is already close to USD200 when you factor in everything. SQ makes the math easier on you so you are not left wondering.

http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6193060
http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6193060
saw this on jetphotos.net sa naia daw yan.
bumiyahe ba ang virgin atlantic ng mnl?

sorry di ko maupload yung pic...

http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6193060
http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6193060
saw this on jetphotos.net sa naia daw.
bumiyahe ba ang virgin atlantic dito sa mnl?

sorry di ko maupload yung pic...
You mean this one?
http://images3.jetphotos.net/img/1/8/3/5/71185_1204752538.jpg

^^ I think its on its way to Luftech. :D

Post away folks! :colgate:


Link to Thread 22 (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=160060&page=859) in the Archives. :okay:

New thread! (http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1058017) :colgate:



:lock:

If the Philippines still won't be able to get upgraded back to CAT I this year, maybe PR should send their 77Ws to Europe or the Middle East. Were yields good when PR still served Europe?

^^

That's the problem. Bautista himself indicated that it isn't feasible. If it was, European carriers other than KL would still be flying here. You can thank Arab carriers for that.

^^I see. No wonder LH stopped flying to MNL. So maybe we'll have to wait a bit longer 'till we can see these birds flying to the US.

CEB flies back to Caticlan March 1
To fly most number of airline seats to Boracay starting March 28

The Philippine’s number one domestic airline, Cebu Pacific (CEB) resumes Caticlan operations starting March 1, 2010, after an almost 7-month hiatus from flying to the Godofredo P. Ramos Airport, the gateway to Boracay.

CEB suspended its flights to Caticlan last July 10, 2009, following the advice of the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines (CAAP) regarding the airport’s runway length and one-way runway rule.

According to a CAAP memo dated January 25, 2010 however, CEB aircraft can now take off both ways in the Godofredo Ramos Airport runway. In the event of unavoidable airport conditions, flights to Caticlan may still be diverted to Kalibo.

Starting March 1, 2010, CEB will gradually reintroduce its Caticlan flights into service, beginning with the transfer of four Manila-Kalibo and one Cebu-Kalibo flights to Caticlan. This transition is meticulously paced to give time for the retraining of CEB’s ATR pilots on the Caticlan route.

The airline expects to resume full Caticlan operations by March 28, 2010, with 11 Manila-Caticlan-Manila flights and 1 Cebu-Caticlan-Cebu flight daily. This gives CEB the most number of airline seats to and from Caticlan.

“CEB is pursuing this gradual transition to Caticlan to make sure our ATR pilots are properly re-certified to operate the route. In as much as we would like to resume our full Caticlan schedule immediately, our main priority will always be the safety of our passengers,” said CEB VP for Marketing and Distribution Candice Iyog.

“We hope passengers on our March 1-27 flights can support us in this transition period. We are very happy we can once again open our Caticlan route to our Boracay-bound passengers, and offer the same great value fares we offer to our 31 other domestic destinations,” she added.

She requested passengers on the following Kalibo flights to please call the CEB reservation hotline (02) 7020-888 or (032) 230-888 for updates on their flight schedules:

* March 1-27- passengers on 5J 351/352, 333/334, 335/336, 341/342 and 416/417
* March 8-27- passengers on 5J 331/332, 337/338, 353/354
* March 25-27- passengers on 5J 343/344

CEB started its Caticlan operations in February 2008, and has carried more than 340,000 passengers in and out of Caticlan without incident. It uses its brand-new ATR 72-500 aircraft, which is part of the youngest fleet in the Philippines.

PAL adds flights for Chinese New Year
By EMMIE V. ABADILLA
February 1, 2010, 2:22pm

Philippine Airlines will operate additional flights and charters, as well as upgrade to larger aircraft, on several domestic and Asian routes to serve the needs of travelers during the Lunar New Year holidays starting mid-February.

Special flights using Airbus A320 aircraft will be mounted between Taipei and Kalibo, gateway to the resort island of Boracay, and between Taipei and Cebu, from February 12 to 22.

These charters will be supplemented by extra frequencies on the regular daily service between Manila and Taipei during that period.

PAL will also operate a special charter flight from Chengdu in southwestern China to Kalibo on February 14 as well as the return service on February 18, routed Kalibo-Chengdu-Manila. An A320 jet will be used on these flights.

Meanwhile, to accommodate the expected surge in travelers during the holidays, PAL will switch to widebody Boeing 747-400 and Airbus A330-300 aircraft from the single-aisle A320 normally deployed on its regular Manila-Beijing vice-versa and Manila-Shanghai vice-versa services between February 11 and 21.

Specific regular flights between Manila and Hong Kong on February 12, 13 and 21 will also be upgraded to higher-capacity aircraft.

A fourth regular flight will be upgraded and rerouted as Manila-Hong Kong-Cebu on February 12-13, with the return flight as Cebu-Hong Kong-Manila on February 16-17.

Finally, in support of its international charters and upgrades, PAL will add numerous frequencies on its popular Manila-Cebu v.v. and, especially, Manila-Kalibo v.v. domestic services between February 13 and 22.

The period preceding and following Lunar New Year’s Day, which this year falls on February 14, is one of the busiest times in the travel calendar. It is a special occasion for Chinese, who traditionally mark the holidays by vacationing in neighboring countries.

Baywalk Bodies plan to sue Cebu Pacific

by Boy Villasanta, abs-cbnNEWS.com | 02/01/2010 3:06 PM


MANILA, Philippines – Members of all-female group Baywalk Bodies are threatening to file a lawsuit against budget airline Cebu Pacific.

Their camp is blaming Cebu Pacific for the cancelation of their shows in Cebu City after the girls missed their flight last January 15.

The group's talent manager, Lito de Guzman, recounted: “Kasi malinaw naman na nakalagay sa ticket namin na 4:35 ang alis namin. As early as one o’clock in the morning noong January 15, nando’n na kami sa airport para makapag-check in nang maaga.”

“Kaya lang, nagutom ang mga alaga ko dahil umagang-umaga ‘yon. Umalis muna kami sandali para kumain ng lugaw. Pagbalik namin, wala na ‘yong eroplano.”
:rofl:
“Nataranta kami dahil wala kaming kamalay-malay sa nangyari. Hindi kami na-kontra abiso man lang. Ma-imagine mo na naapektuhan ang aming mga schedule ng araw na ‘yon. Canceled lahat ng show namin sa Cebu. Puwerhisyo ang nangyari.”

Baywalk Bodies plan to sue Cebu Pacific

by Boy Villasanta, abs-cbnNEWS.com | 02/01/2010 3:06 PM


MANILA, Philippines – Members of all-female group Baywalk Bodies are threatening to file a lawsuit against budget airline Cebu Pacific.

Their camp is blaming Cebu Pacific for the cancelation of their shows in Cebu City after the girls missed their flight last January 15.

The group's talent manager, Lito de Guzman, recounted: “Kasi malinaw naman na nakalagay sa ticket namin na 4:35 ang alis namin. As early as one o’clock in the morning noong January 15, nando’n na kami sa airport para makapag-check in nang maaga.”

“Kaya lang, nagutom ang mga alaga ko dahil umagang-umaga ‘yon. Umalis muna kami sandali para kumain ng lugaw. Pagbalik namin, wala na ‘yong eroplano.”
:rofl:
“Nataranta kami dahil wala kaming kamalay-malay sa nangyari. Hindi kami na-kontra abiso man lang. Ma-imagine mo na naapektuhan ang aming mga schedule ng araw na ‘yon. Canceled lahat ng show namin sa Cebu. Puwerhisyo ang nangyari.”

Baka naman masarap yung lugaw kaya nakalimot sila.:lol:

Baywalk Bodies plan to sue Cebu Pacific

by Boy Villasanta, abs-cbnNEWS.com | 02/01/2010 3:06 PM


MANILA, Philippines – Members of all-female group Baywalk Bodies are threatening to file a lawsuit against budget airline Cebu Pacific.

Their camp is blaming Cebu Pacific for the cancelation of their shows in Cebu City after the girls missed their flight last January 15.

The group's talent manager, Lito de Guzman, recounted: “Kasi malinaw naman na nakalagay sa ticket namin na 4:35 ang alis namin. As early as one o’clock in the morning noong January 15, nando’n na kami sa airport para makapag-check in nang maaga.”

“Kaya lang, nagutom ang mga alaga ko dahil umagang-umaga ‘yon. Umalis muna kami sandali para kumain ng lugaw. Pagbalik namin, wala na ‘yong eroplano.”
:rofl:
“Nataranta kami dahil wala kaming kamalay-malay sa nangyari. Hindi kami na-kontra abiso man lang. Ma-imagine mo na naapektuhan ang aming mga schedule ng araw na ‘yon. Canceled lahat ng show namin sa Cebu. Puwerhisyo ang nangyari.”

Still, it was their responsibility to stay within airport premises. You know how tedious and difficult it is to get into the pre-departure area...If that's Terminal-3, I think there are food stalls inside the airport and they would have it announced on PA if there are missing passengers that are checked-in...or did they forgot to call them? Hmmm....

^^

What time did they return to the terminal ba???

they returned right after the plane was gone :lol:
kasalanan nga nung lugaw napadami ng sangkap :lol:
anong pala ibig sabihin pala ng kontra abiso? binigyan ng pabor?
naperwisyo dahil sa lugaw -- dapat yan ang pamagat :lol:

^^

You mean after 4.35? LMAO!!!

Why can't they find another flight? PAL has nearly a dozen to choose from.

Baywalk Bodies plan to sue Cebu Pacific

by Boy Villasanta, abs-cbnNEWS.com | 02/01/2010 3:06 PM


MANILA, Philippines – Members of all-female group Baywalk Bodies are threatening to file a lawsuit against budget airline Cebu Pacific.

Their camp is blaming Cebu Pacific for the cancelation of their shows in Cebu City after the girls missed their flight last January 15.

The group's talent manager, Lito de Guzman, recounted: “Kasi malinaw naman na nakalagay sa ticket namin na 4:35 ang alis namin. As early as one o’clock in the morning noong January 15, nando’n na kami sa airport para makapag-check in nang maaga.”

“Kaya lang, nagutom ang mga alaga ko dahil umagang-umaga ‘yon. Umalis muna kami sandali para kumain ng lugaw. Pagbalik namin, wala na ‘yong eroplano.”
:rofl:
“Nataranta kami dahil wala kaming kamalay-malay sa nangyari. Hindi kami na-kontra abiso man lang. Ma-imagine mo na naapektuhan ang aming mga schedule ng araw na ‘yon. Canceled lahat ng show namin sa Cebu. Puwerhisyo ang nangyari.”



^^ Bwahahahaha :lol::lol::lol: dapat may baon ang alaga mo..:)

5J flies back to Caticlan
Starts flight on March 1

February 2, 2010

Cebu Pacific (CEB) announces the resumption of its Caticlan operations starting March 1, 2010, after an almost 7-month hiatus from flying to the Godofredo P. Ramos Airport, the gateway to Boracay. Four flights from Manila-Kalibo will return back to Caticlan as well as the Cebu-Kalibo flights.

“CEB is pursuing this gradual transition to Caticlan to make sure our ATR pilots are properly re-certified to operate the route. In as much as we would like to resume our full Caticlan schedule immediately, our main priority will always be the safety of our passengers,” said CEB VP for Marketing and Distribution Candice Iyog.

The airline expects to resume full Caticlan operations by March 28, 2010, with 11 Manila-Caticlan-Manila flights and 1 Cebu-Caticlan-Cebu flight daily. This gives CEB the most number of airline seats to and from Caticlan.

“We hope passengers on our March 1-27 flights can support us in this transition period. We are very happy we can once again open our Caticlan route to our Boracay-bound passengers, and offer the same great value fares we offer to our 31 other domestic destinations,” she added.

The airline suspended its flights to Caticlan last July 10, 2009, following the directive of the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines (CAAP) concerning the airport’s safety concerns and its implementation of unidirectional landing and take-off procedures.

Following the completion of the runways extension project, CAAP in a memo dated January 25, 2010 re-certified both ATR 72-500 of Cebu Pacific and MA-60 of Zest Air to take off and land in both directions of Caticlan runway subject to applicable restrictions. The Memo however bars the covered airlines from using the airport particularly during bad weather conditions, as they are advised to divert flights to Kalibo airport. Meanwhile, Zest Air is scheduled to announce its resumption of service next week.


http://philippineairspace.blogspot.com/2010/02/5j-flies-back-to-caticlan.html

happy days are back again at caticlan....

^^ Nice yan! Kelan kaya susunod ang ZEST AIR to Caticlan?

If the Philippines still won't be able to get upgraded back to CAT I this year, maybe PR should send their 77Ws to Europe or the Middle East. Were yields good when PR still served Europe?

The CAAP’s doing something naman to regain the FAA Cat 1 status--for example, a new manual on aerodrome regulatory procedures. But this should be followed up with actions to make sure that the rules are being enforced.
:2cents:
-newbie :wave:

Baywalk Bodies plan to sue Cebu Pacific

by Boy Villasanta, abs-cbnNEWS.com | 02/01/2010 3:06 PM


MANILA, Philippines – Members of all-female group Baywalk Bodies are threatening to file a lawsuit against budget airline Cebu Pacific.

Their camp is blaming Cebu Pacific for the cancelation of their shows in Cebu City after the girls missed their flight last January 15.

The group's talent manager, Lito de Guzman, recounted: “Kasi malinaw naman na nakalagay sa ticket namin na 4:35 ang alis namin. As early as one o’clock in the morning noong January 15, nando’n na kami sa airport para makapag-check in nang maaga.”

“Kaya lang, nagutom ang mga alaga ko dahil umagang-umaga ‘yon. Umalis muna kami sandali para kumain ng lugaw. Pagbalik namin, wala na ‘yong eroplano.”
:rofl:
“Nataranta kami dahil wala kaming kamalay-malay sa nangyari. Hindi kami na-kontra abiso man lang. Ma-imagine mo na naapektuhan ang aming mga schedule ng araw na ‘yon. Canceled lahat ng show namin sa Cebu. Puwerhisyo ang nangyari.”

Bwahahahahaha!!! Dapat kasi nag cancel o mag delay ng flight ang Cebu Pacific para sa BAYWALK Bodies!

Katangahan naman! :banana::banana::banana:

FYI- The SM at Fairview has a hobby shop with numerous PAL jets. 777 was around P2250.
Purchased the 747 and Airbus set on RP-C7475 yesterday.
Brad

FYI- The SM at Fairview has a hobby shop with numerous PAL jets. 777 was around P2250.
Purchased the 747 and Airbus set on RP-C7475 yesterday.
Brad

Herpa or Dragon Wings? Anong model ng Airbus?

Airtime: Tues. Feb. 2 2010 | 1:11 AM ET

Boeing is on track to deliver the first 787 Dreamliner to Japan's All Nippon Airways by year-end, says Randy Tinseth, VP of marketing at Boeing Commercial Airplanes. He sheds light on what's happening, with CNBC's Martin Soong, Maura Fogarty & Sri Jegarajah.

Baywalk Bodies plan to sue Cebu Pacific

by Boy Villasanta, abs-cbnNEWS.com | 02/01/2010 3:06 PM


MANILA, Philippines – Members of all-female group Baywalk Bodies are threatening to file a lawsuit against budget airline Cebu Pacific.

Their camp is blaming Cebu Pacific for the cancelation of their shows in Cebu City after the girls missed their flight last January 15.

The group's talent manager, Lito de Guzman, recounted: “Kasi malinaw naman na nakalagay sa ticket namin na 4:35 ang alis namin. As early as one o’clock in the morning noong January 15, nando’n na kami sa airport para makapag-check in nang maaga.”

“Kaya lang, nagutom ang mga alaga ko dahil umagang-umaga ‘yon. Umalis muna kami sandali para kumain ng lugaw. Pagbalik namin, wala na ‘yong eroplano.”
:rofl:
“Nataranta kami dahil wala kaming kamalay-malay sa nangyari. Hindi kami na-kontra abiso man lang. Ma-imagine mo na naapektuhan ang aming mga schedule ng araw na ‘yon. Canceled lahat ng show namin sa Cebu. Puwerhisyo ang nangyari.”

LOLZ... bakit pa kasi kumain ng lugaw.. haha..

LOLZ... bakit pa kasi kumain ng lugaw.. haha..

Lugaw beauties!

By Chan Sue Ling, Bloomberg (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=adprHn8xTffY)


Feb. 2 (Bloomberg) -- Boeing Co., the world’s second- largest planemaker, will likely scrap the planned 787-3 after Japan Airlines Corp. and All Nippon Airways Co. switched orders to alternate versions.

“It’s my guess that it won’t be part of our product offering in the future,” Boeing’s commercial aircraft marketing head Randy Tinseth said today in an interview at the Singapore Air Show. The plane was specifically designed for Japanese customers, he said, declining to elaborate on the program costs.

Abandoning the 787-3 would enable Chicago-based Boeing to focus on introducing the more popular long-range versions of the Dreamliner as well as a planned 747-8. The planemaker diverted resources from the short-haul 787-3 in 2008 as it struggled to move the long-haul types toward production.

“They’ve been wanting to consolidate on one model as much as possible,” said Peter Harbison, managing director at the Sydney-based industry consultant Centre for Asia Pacific Aviation.

777, 767 Production

Boeing will also reduce the production rate of the 777 twin-aisle aircraft to five a month starting June from seven now because of “challenges in the market,” Tinseth said. The company will postpone a planned increase in production for the 767 and 747-8 aircraft, he said.

Production rates for the 737 will be maintained at 31 a month, he said. The company aims to deliver between 460 and 465 aircraft this year, Tinseth said.

Boeing delivered 481 aircraft last year. Toulouse, France- based Airbus SAS had 498 shipments, retaining the title it has held since 2003 as the largest commercial-plane builder.

All Nippon, set to be the first customer for the Dreamliner later this year, replaced its order for 28 787-3 short-rage jets with the longer range 787-8 model last month. Japan Air, Asia’s largest carrier by sales, switched orders last year.

The 787-3 was designed to carry as many as 330 passengers as far as 3,050 nautical miles, compared with as many as 250 passengers and as far as 8,200 nautical miles for the 787-8, according to Boeing’s Web site.

787 Delays

Initially meant to fly in August 2007 and reach customers in May 2008, the 787 has been delayed five times because of hurdles with new composite plastics and an outsourced supply chain that stretched to 135 sites around the world. The first test flight took place last year.

Boeing will probably have about 30 787s built by the time the first is certified for passenger service and delivered, Chief Executive Officer Jim McNerney has said.

The Dreamliner, the first plane built mostly of composites instead of aluminum, is Boeing’s best-selling new model yet, with orders for 851 at the end of last year. It’s the first plane to be built with a plastic fuselage and has the most extensive electrical system of any commercial aircraft, both of which are meant to cut fuel usage.

Boeing said Jan. 27 profit will rise this year and cash flow will recover in 2011 as deliveries of the delayed Dreamliner and 747-8 jumbo jet begin. In 2011, revenue will rise with the new aircraft and cash flow will be more than $5 billion, compared with about zero this year.

“Boeing’s financial performance is highly dependent on the 787 execution,” Joseph Nadol, Seth Seifman and Rica Mendoza, analysts at JPMorgan Chase & Co., wrote in a Jan. 27 report. “While we are confident that management is moving in the right direction, there could be further bumps in the road.”

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Some sights at NAIA before parking at Gate...33 (I guess)
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Delta!
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5J has just landed
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Arrival area
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Snacks anyone? :D
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You should read the manual!
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Got some screenies though...:D
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I love the legspace here!
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LOLZ... bakit pa kasi kumain ng lugaw.. haha..

Do they sell it airside? Baka naman there was none and you know that it somehow qualifies as a LAGS hence they will have a hard time getting back through security.

Haha! This is what I would love to call the "sue your lugaw" episode. LMAO!!! :lol:

is there any promos of PAL on May???

^^

We just have to wait although I think malabo if you want to fly in May because it is peak season.

Nice to finally have DL on board as DL.

@SkyHarbor, have you also been editing the Wikipedia article on MNL? I've notice that the section on DL is a subject of dispute although I added a caveat (footnote).

^^ Not exactly an edit war. There's a minor dispute over the "continuation" of DL flights to ATL and JFK. According to the edit summary, the MoS (manual of style) reportedly dictates that flights using the same flight number but requires switching planes are not considered direct flights.

I'll miss seeing the NW 744s in MNL. Do they still send the 744s in the NW livery to MNL?

^^

As much as I don't want to rely on Wikipedia, one of the sources used in creating the article "direct flight" cites it as having 1 flight number regardless of plane changes or number of stops as far as the OAG is concerned. The important thing is that they are under a single flight number and that the 2nd leg can't depart unless the 1st leg arrives.

What probably complicates this is the "hub and spoke" system of US carriers in Japan.

^^

As much as I don't want to rely on Wikipedia, one of the sources used in creating the article "direct flight" cites it as having 1 flight number regardless of plane changes or number of stops as far as the OAG is concerned. The important thing is that they are under a single flight number and that the 2nd leg can't depart unless the 1st leg arrives.

What probably complicates this is the "hub and spoke" system of US carriers in Japan.

yup because a service that does not have any stop is called "non-stop"
DELTA's MNL-NGY-DTW is an example of a direct flight - the same flight number all the way but MAY include change of equipment...

daming napictsuran ni habagat ha..lol

moral of the story don't eat lugaw while waiting for your flight :rofl:

Baywalk Bodies plan to sue Cebu Pacific

by Boy Villasanta, abs-cbnNEWS.com | 02/01/2010 3:06 PM


MANILA, Philippines – Members of all-female group Baywalk Bodies are threatening to file a lawsuit against budget airline Cebu Pacific.

Their camp is blaming Cebu Pacific for the cancelation of their shows in Cebu City after the girls missed their flight last January 15.

The group's talent manager, Lito de Guzman, recounted: “Kasi malinaw naman na nakalagay sa ticket namin na 4:35 ang alis namin. As early as one o’clock in the morning noong January 15, nando’n na kami sa airport para makapag-check in nang maaga.”

“Kaya lang, nagutom ang mga alaga ko dahil umagang-umaga ‘yon. Umalis muna kami sandali para kumain ng lugaw. Pagbalik namin, wala na ‘yong eroplano.”
:rofl:
“Nataranta kami dahil wala kaming kamalay-malay sa nangyari. Hindi kami na-kontra abiso man lang. Ma-imagine mo na naapektuhan ang aming mga schedule ng araw na ‘yon. Canceled lahat ng show namin sa Cebu. Puwerhisyo ang nangyari.”

^^

I know 5J has hit a lot recent legal controversies, this is something they can just laugh off. :rofl:

Baywalk Bodies plan to sue Cebu Pacific

by Boy Villasanta, abs-cbnNEWS.com | 02/01/2010 3:06 PM


MANILA, Philippines – Members of all-female group Baywalk Bodies are threatening to file a lawsuit against budget airline Cebu Pacific.

Their camp is blaming Cebu Pacific for the cancelation of their shows in Cebu City after the girls missed their flight last January 15.

The group's talent manager, Lito de Guzman, recounted: “Kasi malinaw naman na nakalagay sa ticket namin na 4:35 ang alis namin. As early as one o’clock in the morning noong January 15, nando’n na kami sa airport para makapag-check in nang maaga.”

“Kaya lang, nagutom ang mga alaga ko dahil umagang-umaga ‘yon. Umalis muna kami sandali para kumain ng lugaw. Pagbalik namin, wala na ‘yong eroplano.”
:rofl:
“Nataranta kami dahil wala kaming kamalay-malay sa nangyari. Hindi kami na-kontra abiso man lang. Ma-imagine mo na naapektuhan ang aming mga schedule ng araw na ‘yon. Canceled lahat ng show namin sa Cebu. Puwerhisyo ang nangyari.”

Dapat daw kasi mag hand carry ng lugaw ang baywalk bodies sa airplane kasi mahal ng snack ng 5J on board kaso limited lang ng 7 kilos ang hand carry kaya dine in na lang sila:ohno::ohno::ohno:

Lesson to learn... 5J must serve lugaw in their aircraft... for sale? Whatever... but be sure not to pack it similar with those motion disorder bags:ohno::ohno::ohno:

^^

The bottomline is that lugaw is liquid in nature. If you buy it away from the airport, you will save money but the trouble is it is getting it through security.

actually ang may kasalanan jan ay yung lugaw. :lol:

dapat i-demanda nila yung tindera ng lugaw! Baka mabagal kasi ang service... hehe

For sure ang witness sa korte ay yung tindera nang lugaw.

kasalanan ng CebuPac yan! Dapat kasi Meron silang Lugaw on Board Promo" :D

lol aabot pa yan sa senado.

OOT:

Baywalk Beauties > Congee Babes :lol:

Since I saw an A320 from ILO-MNL is of the RP-C86xx series, what are the chances we will see it on that same route as opposed to the RP-C32xx series?

Snacks anyone? :D


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Ughh... the same "snack" on almost 2hr DVO route of PAL.

^^Sadly, these are obvious signs that PR is really cutting costs. Hayy...i missed the glory days of PR. :(

Clark Airport passes stage 1 of ISO audit
by Ding Cervantes, TPS, Updated February 04, 2010

MANILA, Philippines - The Clark International Airport Corp. (CIAC) has passed “stage 1 audit” of the International Standard Organization Certification (ISO-9001:2008) in its bid to level up with worldwide industrial and commercial standards.

Tristan Arwen Loveres, chief operating officer of TUV Rheinland Philippines Inc., officially informed CIAC corporate planning manager and quality management representative Darwin Cunanan that CIAC passed the audit conducted last Dec. 21.

“This is to confirm that Clark International Airport passed the stage-1 audit which was conducted last Dec. 21, 2009.” Loveres said in his notification to the CIAC.

Cunanan said stage 1 audit involves general and documentation requirements, management commitment, customer focus and quality policy and planning.

TUV Rheinland Philippines is the certifying body in CIAC’s bid to be at par with the worldwide industrial and commercial standards to improve services in airport operations.

Ughh... the same "snack" on almost 2hr DVO route of PAL.

Instead of complaining. Why not just eat before you fly and have your stomach full for the rest of the flight. ;)

Instead of complaining. Why not just eat before you fly and have your stomach full for the rest of the flight. ;)

Try eating "lugaw" before taking the flight....:lol: :nocrook:

^^

And it's not just PR. Be lucky they're not charging you for the food, even if you're on econolight. In the US, even some international flights on legacy carriers are doing that!

^^

And it's not just PR. Be lucky they're not charging you for the food, even if you're on econolight. In the US, even some international flights on legacy carriers are doing that!
For a moment actually, I thought that when you're on econoLight, you are not provided any snack whatsoever...I think that was before. Today, its fine. Anyway, except for the ehmanimanimani, there's Nissin Eggnog and you could also order one service water and one coffee...and that's econolight. :D Mabuti nga sa PAL may ehmanimani pa, sa 5J, C2 na nga lang...P50 na!

It seems that PAL is going on a fierce competition with 5J with this kind of tactics.

Instead of complaining. Why not just eat before you fly and have your stomach full for the rest of the flight. ;)
I'm complaining because there is really a big difference between the pre-cost cutting years of PAL compare today. I remember coffee before was made by Figaro on all domestic flights and Goldilocks threats... even on short ILO flight.

I guess you're right, eat before I fly especially on flights sked between 4-7am and 11 to 1pm flights

I remember a full breakfast meal too on my flights to Cebu, Davao and Zamboanga. But that was the day when traveling by air surely was a leisure.

I'm complaining because there is really a big difference between the pre-cost cutting years of PAL compare today. I remember coffee before was made by Figaro on all domestic flights and Goldilocks threats... even on short ILO flight.

I guess you're right, eat before I fly especially on flights sked between 4-7am and 11 to 1pm flights

I remember a full breakfast meal too on my flights to Cebu, Davao and Zamboanga. But that was the day when traveling by air surely was a leisure.

That is why we suggest each and everyone to eat lugaw prior to departure. :lol:

forgot to post this, meal served during my MNL-HK flight aboard the 777

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the main course is so-so, but the desert is OK (gawa ng Bizu)

^^ That's what happens to your international meals as a result of Econolight.

The meals though on longer sectors (like SIN and NRT) are surprisingly not affected though.

^^ That's what happens to your international meals as a result of Econolight.

The meals though on longer sectors (like SIN and NRT) are surprisingly not affected though.

I think my ticket is Economy-Fiesta

^^ I meant as a result of Econolight passengers getting meals as well.

Baka akala ng Baywatch bodies hindi sineseryoso ng 5J ang timeliness nila.

If 5J is following a tight KPI on this, it really has to depart on the dot.

Clark Airport passes stage 1 of ISO audit
by Ding Cervantes, TPS, Updated February 04, 2010

MANILA, Philippines - The Clark International Airport Corp. (CIAC) has passed “stage 1 audit” of the International Standard Organization Certification (ISO-9001:2008) in its bid to level up with worldwide industrial and commercial standards.

...

TUV Rheinland Philippines is the certifying body in CIAC’s bid to be at par with the worldwide industrial and commercial standards to improve services in airport operations.

Not a good choice of certification body imo. Hehe...my biased opinion.

forgot to post this, meal served during my MNL-HK flight aboard the 777

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the main course is so-so, but the desert is OK (gawa ng Bizu)

This is how the meal is over 1 year before your flight.
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It was ok. Nabusog na ako sa main course.

This is how the meal is over 1 year before your flight.
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It was ok. Nabusog na ako sa main course.

they also served wine/beer/juice but your meal is more substantial that what I had :)

ok nga lang naman pagkain nila

It could actually be a bit worse look here: http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/trip_reports/read.main/149032, just take a look at what MH offered for meals.

our plane just landed at NAIA 2, PAL C777 from Narita. Is that the new PAL airplane, their biggest?

I think it is RP-C7776 that is the newest. The 744s are obviously PAL's largest.

^^I see. No wonder LH stopped flying to MNL. So maybe we'll have to wait a bit longer 'till we can see these birds flying to the US.

We might still be enjoying the direct flights of Lufthansa to Philippines from Europe if not of this problem with the Terminal 3. It was planned that Philippines will be their Asian Hub.

forgot to post this, meal served during my MNL-HK flight aboard the 777

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the main course is so-so, but the desert is OK (gawa ng Bizu)

Can't you just change the main course with another BIZU tart? With that Bizu think OK parin naman.

Can't you just change the main course with another BIZU tart? With that Bizu think OK parin naman.

it wasnt that bad, only I've had better chicken and rice meal I think. Yup, the Bizu pastry was a nice touch

We might still be enjoying the direct flights of Lufthansa to Philippines from Europe if not of this problem with the Terminal 3. It was planned that Philippines will be their Asian Hub.

Interesting. Having said that, as someone mentioned, Fraport isn't necessarily the most reputable contractor to deal with as they are no stranger to anomalies not just here.

guys, i have a question.

which airplane has more stopping power, the 744 or A343?

i am asking this because, as i have observed, when a 744 lands and taxi's it directly goes into the Alpha 4 taxiway at the Davao airport. But when a A343 lands, it goes past the Alpha 4 taxiway and uses the turnaround pad at the end of runway 23 of the Davao Airport.

^^ Sa GenSan naman kapag B747 and A330, lumalampas sila sa terminal pero kapag A340 di na lumalampas ng terminal kapag sa runway 35 nag land....

SINGAPORE 2010: Cebu Pacific and Eaton sign motor pumps deal
By Ghim-Lay Yeo
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/02/05/338086/singapore-2010-cebu-pacific-and-eaton-sign-motor-pumps.html
Philippine carrier Cebu Pacific has signed an agreement with Eaton Corporation for the supply of motor pumps for up to 20 Airbus A320 aircraft.

The aircraft are scheduled to be delivered to the low-cost carrier through 2014, says Eaton.

"Eaton's dedication to value, innovation and quality will support Cebu Pacific Air's [CEB] goals to modernise its fleet, and we are eager to explore further opportunities to promote CEB's continued growth and success," says Bradley J. Morton, president of Eaton's Aerospace Group.

"We look forward to this opportunity to expand our presence in the Asia Pacific aerospace market."

Cebu Pacific has 15 A320s on order and another five on option, according to Flightglobal's ACAS database.

Zambales-Manila flight to take off this year (http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/241983/zambalesmanila-flight-take-year)
February 4, 2010, 7:18pm

IBA, Zambales — South Phoenix Airways, a company owned by the Ayala Corporation, will soon launch domestic flights between Iba, Zambales and Metro Manila, officials of the company said during the formal lunching of its commemorative flight at the Sun Valley Landing Field here.

The proposed domestic flights between Iba and Metro Manila are expected to become operational this year, and South Phoenix is eyeing to serve both domestic and international tourists through local and even international flights.

The ceremonial commemorative flight was led by Zambales Governor Amor Deloso together with officials of the Provincial Tourism Office. Various local government units and Southwest Airlines also joined the event.

“Layunin ng air flight na palakasin ang kalakarang pang turismo kung saan sa maikling 20-30 minuto ay agad mararating ang lalawigan ng Zambales, partikular sa bayang ito, mula sa National Capital Region,” Deloso said.

"Welcome to the province; maganda at magkakaroon na ng madaliang paglalakbay at natutuwa naman ako sakaling matuloy. Nasa kanila ang suporta ko," the governor said.

Capt. Ramon Torres of South Phoenix explained that the Iba-Metro Manila route has undergone two years of feasibility studies.

Torres cited the overwhelming participation of local government officials and Municipal Tourism Officer Danilo Timbol of Iba in the development of the forthcoming Iba-Manila flight route.

The airline is looking at a minimum of three daily flights, three times a week. The route will shorten travel between Metro Manila and Iba to only 20 minutes.

from cracked.com (http://www.cracked.com/article_17575_7-true-stories-that-prove-airlines-hate-you.html)

Takeoff:

Anita Cabral (http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/braun/20080813-9999-1m13braun.html) did everything right for her vacation. She booked a beach house in Hawaii a year in advance and bought the airplane tickets six months in advance.


Why? Well, the trip was for her children to visit their father, probably the last chance, due to his illness. She spent so much money (including a non-refundable five-figure check for the beach house) that she actually had the trip insured.

You can tell this is going to be a bad one.

Turbulence:

After a year of planning, the day before they're set to take off, United tells her the flight had been canceled. This is last minute, but still understandable in the constantly-changing world of air travel. Maybe the engine fell off the plane. Who knows, but flights get canceled and dammit, there's just nothing an airline can do.

She relayed this to another family member, who said that was strange because he in fact was still booked on the flight and everything was a go. Confused, Cabral went back to the airline, who admitted the flight had not in fact been canceled, and said that instead their computer had lost her reservations. Cabral was even more confused by this, because she had gotten an email asking her to confirm her reservations the night before.


After calling them on their second line of bullshit, United just came out and admitted they'd bumped her and her entire family, all eight tickets, from the flight for no particular reason.

But that's OK, because United then offered to make it up to her, by sending her family in pairs to different islands of Hawaii on different days of the week. When she pointed out how retarded that was, they offered to put her on a flight five days into their week-long vacation. Finally, they just gave her a refund.


Some airports display oversized dong sculptures to symbolize the gigantic raping you are likely to receive.

You'd think that'd be the end of it, but the buttfuckery continues. Remember that insurance policy? Well, Cabral's claim was denied, primarily because United refused to write her a letter admitting they had fucked up.

Crash Landing:

Remember the father Cabal's children were supposed to see? The one who was dying? He passed away before another visit could be arranged, although we can't confirm as to whether natural causes or a United Airlines assassin were responsible.

By the way, if you needed more confirmation that "my family is dying" doesn't get you special service at United, there's the tale of this woman (http://consumerist.com/5206545/united-airlines-wont-help-rush-you-to-your-dying-mothers-bedside-because-its-time-for-the-ticketing-agents-break) who rushed to the airport to catch a flight to go see her dying mother.

However, standing between the rushing woman and the soon-to-depart airplane was a ticket agent who refused to process her reservation because she had to go on break, effectively informing the poor woman that her final moments with her mother were worth less than a grape soda and a package of Ding Dongs.

hard to compare bro not unless both aircraft are at the same payload,wind and runway conditions(landing at same touch down point as well),plus the skill of pilot in command as well.Really important because sometimes the first officer lands the aircraft.Also lots of unexpected wind conditions seconds before touchdown.Maybe PAL is saving fuel as well for the older 744s without sacrificing the gears!

Hindi nga? Ito na ang food even on regular economy class at hindi econolight? Grabeng cost-cutting naman yan...

forgot to post this, meal served during my MNL-HK flight aboard the 777

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the main course is so-so, but the desert is OK (gawa ng Bizu)

Hindi nga? Ito na ang food even on regular economy class at hindi econolight? Grabeng cost-cutting naman yan...

yup, I think my ticket is not econolight because I got miles from it :)

^^ grabe naman yan... sobrang cost cutting! Wala ng bread, appetizer and another desert. Hindi na talaga luxury ang travel ngayon.

taken today at Narita while waiting for my flight

Narita Intl Airport T2
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PR 431
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Mt Fuji
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Zambales-Manila flight to take off this year (http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/241983/zambalesmanila-flight-take-year)
February 4, 2010, 7:18pm

IBA, Zambales — South Phoenix Airways, a company owned by the Ayala Corporation, will soon launch domestic flights between Iba, Zambales and Metro Manila, officials of the company said during the formal lunching of its commemorative flight at the Sun Valley Landing Field here.

The proposed domestic flights between Iba and Metro Manila are expected to become operational this year, and South Phoenix is eyeing to serve both domestic and international tourists through local and even international flights.

The ceremonial commemorative flight was led by Zambales Governor Amor Deloso together with officials of the Provincial Tourism Office. Various local government units and Southwest Airlines also joined the event.

“Layunin ng air flight na palakasin ang kalakarang pang turismo kung saan sa maikling 20-30 minuto ay agad mararating ang lalawigan ng Zambales, partikular sa bayang ito, mula sa National Capital Region,” Deloso said.

"Welcome to the province; maganda at magkakaroon na ng madaliang paglalakbay at natutuwa naman ako sakaling matuloy. Nasa kanila ang suporta ko," the governor said.

Capt. Ramon Torres of South Phoenix explained that the Iba-Metro Manila route has undergone two years of feasibility studies.

Torres cited the overwhelming participation of local government officials and Municipal Tourism Officer Danilo Timbol of Iba in the development of the forthcoming Iba-Manila flight route.

The airline is looking at a minimum of three daily flights, three times a week. The route will shorten travel between Metro Manila and Iba to only 20 minutes.

^^ Wow ayus! Kelan kaya start nila...Sana Embraer jet ang gagamitin ng South Phoenix Airways, since meron silang 1 Embraer ERJ 135..:D:banana::banana:
At sana bumili pa ang Ayala ng ERJ 170 -195 jets hehe

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NAIA T2
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the meal served
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chicken teriyaki

^^ Leaves much to be desired. My opinion.

^^hmm...nice pics...

guys, i have a question.

which airplane has more stopping power, the 744 or A343?

i am asking this because, as i have observed, when a 744 lands and taxi's it directly goes into the Alpha 4 taxiway at the Davao airport. But when a A343 lands, it goes past the Alpha 4 taxiway and uses the turnaround pad at the end of runway 23 of the Davao Airport.

on my recent flights to davao, the A343 now exits the runway at Alpha 4 from RWY 05.

Sarap naman ng meals! Buti hindi naging part ng cost-cutting ang NRT... grabe yung HKG meal. Sa Mabuhay Class kaya anung cost-cutting ang pinagagawa ng PAL...

the meal served
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chicken teriyaki

Sarap naman ng meals! Buti hindi naging part ng cost-cutting ang NRT... grabe yung HKG meal. Sa Mabuhay Class kaya anung cost-cutting ang pinagagawa ng PAL...

hindi maiiwasan yung cost cutting sa HK route kase short flight lang siya. I think justifiable naman yung cost cutting sa HK, maybe TPE din similar yung food to HK.

My mom's airphil flight (2P 265) from Manila to Naga today was delayed. The plane was about to take off and it was aborted, and the reason given was that there were problems with the computers on board, it think. They had to switch planes, apparently yung for CDO flight yung ginamit nila.

on my recent flights to davao, the A343 now exits the runway at Alpha 4 from RWY 05.

kahapon kasi lumampas sya sa A4. umikot sa end ng 23.

^^ Wow ayus! Kelan kaya start nila...Sana Embraer jet ang gagamitin ng South Phoenix Airways, since meron silang 1 Embraer ERJ 135..:D:banana::banana:
At sana bumili pa ang Ayala ng ERJ 170 -195 jets hehe


^^

i remember some 2 years back, south phoenix airways mentioned some plans to serve RPMI.the mayor even have them on a courtesy call.they were planning to deploy some YS-11 for a start.then suddenly came silence..it's good to hear that they're back.i've been a long time fan of E-Jets,and i hope they include RPMI on their route maps soon...and if ever they'll have E-Jets,that would be incredible.this must be the airline sir ariannespace was talking about some months ago.he said E-190 can easily land on short runways but restricted weights.cool..:banana:

Snacks anyone? :D
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You should read the manual!
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Got some screenies though...:D
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I love the legspace here!
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Back in Iloilo...
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Oooh...buttons! :D
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Question: Is it natural for flaps to have a dent like this one shown on the photo below?
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PAL always have peanut in their meals :lol::lol:....i remember tuloy when i ride PAL for Zamboanga to Manila and vice versa.....

787 AIRCRAFT INTERIOR TESTING
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Flight Line Technicians Paul Coy (from far left), Nathan Nelson, Charles Click (foreground) and Daniel Swank discuss testing operations during a media walkthrough of the 787 interior at Boeing's site in Everett February 3, 2010. (REUTERS)

Boeing racing to finish 787 Dreamliner tests
By KYLE PETERSON
February 6, 2010, 1:10pm

CHICAGO, Feb. 6 (Reuters) – Boeing Co. is racing to complete tests of its long-delayed 787 Dreamliner in time for scheduled fourth-quarter deliveries, but some experts think that deadline is too ambitious and delays are inevitable.

A delivery delay for the revolutionary lightweight 787 would hinder significant cash flow for the world's No. 2 plane-maker after EADS unit Airbus. It also would further sully Boeing's reputation, which took a beating in the last two years as Boeing repeatedly put off the first Dreamliner test flight.

The plane finally took to the air on Dec. 15 – an event that commanded attention around the world. With that milestone behind it, Boeing now must push its new plane through aggressive tests and out the door to eager customers.

''That's clearly the next big question,'' said aerospace analyst Alex Hamilton. ''Will it come as a surprise if that schedule slips? I don't think so,'' he said. ''I think it's a well-accepted fact that it's likely to slide.''

The 787 Dreamliner promises greater fuel efficiency through the use of durable, lightweight composite materials and would use 20 percent less fuel for comparable missions in similarly sized airplanes.

The first plane in the Dreamliner family – the 787-8 – would carry 210 to 250 passengers on routes of 7,650 to 8,200 nautical miles.

Boeing has carried out several Dreamliner flights, putting the planes through many tests that must be completed for the plane to receive certification from the US Federal Aviation Administration.

The company has trumpeted its progress every step of the way. On Wednesday, Boeing gave members of the media a tour of the interior of a fully-furnished 787, which is set for flight testing soon.

Scott Fancher, general manager of the 787 program, said he was ''really pleased'' with the way the flight test program has gone. He said issues are arising but being tackled as flight tests continue. Fancher gave no indication that the test program was behind schedule.

Boeing Chief Executive Jim McNerney said on a conference call with reporters and analysts last week that Boeing expects a 787 production rate of 10 airplanes per month by the end of 2013.

''The production ramp-up is also progressing as we prepare to deliver our first 787 late this year,'' he said.

Boeing has taken about 851 firm orders for Dreamliners from more than 50 customers around the world.

Exactly how much profit Boeing can expect to make from the plane is unknown. Analysts have said the company has invested more than $10 billion in the project and will have to give some sort of compensation to customers for late planes.

American Airlines gives high flyers helicopter ride to Narita
February 6, 2010, 1:14pm

TOKYO (AP) – American Airlines has a new proposition for premium travelers in Japan: Fly with us, and we'll give you a free helicopter ride to and from the airport.

Launched Thursday, the deal intensifies the battle for the highly lucrative business and first-class market in Japan. It also comes as the carrier fights to keep its foothold in the country, with rival Delta Air Lines attempting to lure Japan Airlines away from American's oneworld alliance.

At stake are JAL's lucrative Asian routes, a big revenue stream, more power to help shape overseas customer options and ticket prices and the potential to one day fly aircraft and passengers on JAL's routes.

American and its oneworld alliance partners, including Japan Airlines, currently have about 35 percent of US-Japan market share. That would drop to 6 percent if JAL leaves oneworld and dilute American's revenue
from the region.

The latest promotion is available to trans-Pacific travelers booking nonstop, full-fare business or first- class tickets through American's Japan-based Web site. American flies direct from Narita International Airport to Dallas/Fort Worth, New York, Los Angeles and Chicago.

Taking off from a heliport in central Tokyo, eligible passengers can reach Narita in about 30 minutes, compared to 60 to 90 minutes by train or bus. Rides are operated by American's partner in the campaign, Mori Building City Air Services Co.

"At American Airlines, we are constantly working to provide customers with greater comfort and convenience,'' said Wes Stockstill, American's Pacific regional director for marketing and strategy.

Rival All Nippon Airways is offering a similar, though more limited, service for its highest-paying customers through March 31.

ANA is giving first-class passengers traveling round-trip from North America a complimentary helicopter ride into Tokyo.

American's deal runs through Dec. 15, according to its Web site.

^may libreng stay-in rin ang jal sa niko hotel sa narita, if u wana
Corregidor
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galing, hason, pano mo nalamang coregidor yan

^^ "Tadpole shape island called Corregidor." Parang naalala ko yun sa isang libro, hehe!

Nice photos @Hasson! :okay:

I think ANC's Executive Class has featured PAL's Triple7 earlier. Love those Recaro seats. :D

American Airlines gives high flyers helicopter ride to Narita
February 6, 2010, 1:14pm

TOKYO (AP) – American Airlines has a new proposition for premium travelers in Japan: Fly with us, and we'll give you a free helicopter ride to and from the airport.

Launched Thursday, the deal intensifies the battle for the highly lucrative business and first-class market in Japan. It also comes as the carrier fights to keep its foothold in the country, with rival Delta Air Lines attempting to lure Japan Airlines away from American's oneworld alliance.

At stake are JAL's lucrative Asian routes, a big revenue stream, more power to help shape overseas customer options and ticket prices and the potential to one day fly aircraft and passengers on JAL's routes.

American and its oneworld alliance partners, including Japan Airlines, currently have about 35 percent of US-Japan market share. That would drop to 6 percent if JAL leaves oneworld and dilute American's revenue
from the region.

The latest promotion is available to trans-Pacific travelers booking nonstop, full-fare business or first- class tickets through American's Japan-based Web site. American flies direct from Narita International Airport to Dallas/Fort Worth, New York, Los Angeles and Chicago.

Taking off from a heliport in central Tokyo, eligible passengers can reach Narita in about 30 minutes, compared to 60 to 90 minutes by train or bus. Rides are operated by American's partner in the campaign, Mori Building City Air Services Co.

"At American Airlines, we are constantly working to provide customers with greater comfort and convenience,'' said Wes Stockstill, American's Pacific regional director for marketing and strategy.

Rival All Nippon Airways is offering a similar, though more limited, service for its highest-paying customers through March 31.

ANA is giving first-class passengers traveling round-trip from North America a complimentary helicopter ride into Tokyo.

American's deal runs through Dec. 15, according to its Web site.

So it seems that American is really desperate to get higher market share in the US-Japan market. I wonder if PAL can do that as well. :D

If AA wants JL's lucrative Asian network, why can't they do a hub-and-spoke concept and open a flight to MNL???

Some pictures from the 2010 Singapore Air show

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Airbus A330-200F
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Boeing 737-800 from Garuda Indonesia
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Basically, the static displays are almost the same as last time sans the A380

Repost
PAL FAs



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i remember the lady fa from my trip to davao last may 2009. hehehe.

^^Great photos! What were the other aircraft on display?

If AA wants JL's lucrative Asian network, why can't they do a hub-and-spoke concept and open a flight to MNL???
That's what i'm thinking of as well. MNL-NRT is a very profitable route with excellent yields. Same with LAX-MNL. I don't know, maybe they think MNL is a small airport for them? :sly:

question: Is Spirit of Manila airways operational already?

^^I have no idea. I've heard nothing about them lately. The last time i heard news about them was when they leased an MD-88 from Avianca.

question: Is Spirit of Manila airways operational already?

It's still in the "spirit" world. :lol:

Afternoon refreshment on Mabuhay Class for PR 293 (MNL - DGT)
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I miss their Thai chicken with pasta/noodles or something like that...this one is still tasty though...

Breakfast on Mabuhay Class for PR 292 (DGT - MNL)
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^^ They serve that on the Manila-Dumaguete sector? :shocked:

^^

Yup....pero mas gusto ko yung chicken na sineserve nila dati for their afternoon flight... Thai Chicken daw with noodle or pasta ata... although masarap pa rin yang pastry, but mas gusto ko yung chicken...

AIR PHILIPPINES upcoming flights

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Hindi nga? Ito na ang food even on regular economy class at hindi econolight? Grabeng cost-cutting naman yan...

Yup, also got the same meals on my Jan flight (http://www.wings900.com/vb/1-1-civil-aviation/46093-trip-report-lucky-triple-seven-mnl-hkg-philippine-airlines.html)...I emailed customer care and they said they have been having "financial difficulties..."

I just took a flight from BKK, it was a good thing the meal trays had more: main dish, bread + butter, salad, dessert.

AIR PHILIPPINES upcoming flights

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Good news for those people going to this places!:cheers:

American Airlines gives high flyers helicopter ride to Narita
February 6, 2010, 1:14pm

TOKYO (AP) – American Airlines has a new proposition for premium travelers in Japan: Fly with us, and we'll give you a free helicopter ride to and from the airport.

Launched Thursday, the deal intensifies the battle for the highly lucrative business and first-class market in Japan. It also comes as the carrier fights to keep its foothold in the country, with rival Delta Air Lines attempting to lure Japan Airlines away from American's oneworld alliance.

Taking off from a heliport in central Tokyo, eligible passengers can reach Narita in about 30 minutes, compared to 60 to 90 minutes by train or bus. Rides are operated by American's partner in the campaign, Mori Building City Air Services Co.

"At American Airlines, we are constantly working to provide customers with greater comfort and convenience,'' said Wes Stockstill, American's Pacific regional director for marketing and strategy.

American's deal runs through Dec. 15, according to its Web site.

Bakit hindi kayamag try ang AA ng MNL flights kahit 4x a week lang... I'm sure me market potential naman yan.

^^ I believe AA doesn't have rights to fly to MNL.

guys, i have a question.

which airplane has more stopping power, the 744 or A343?

i am asking this because, as i have observed, when a 744 lands and taxi's it directly goes into the Alpha 4 taxiway at the Davao airport. But when a A343 lands, it goes past the Alpha 4 taxiway and uses the turnaround pad at the end of runway 23 of the Davao Airport.

Weight or load factor of an aircraft with passengers and cargoes would be factor to these?

I Heard sa news..the Crash of the Nomad plane was caused by Engine Failure?could this be ..one of the Reasons maybe because of Old Age?. how old is the Plane? why cant our govt provide or buy new Aircraft for our Philippine Military/Airforce?????

This were our MOney goes..to the Corrupt Politicians.who wants to buy a new Presidential Plane for their own Benefit!!!instead of Updating our Philippine Govt.Military planes. ang mga eroplano parang tao din yan..may buhay.habang tumatagal Nalalaos! Where is the Money for the Replacement of such this aircrafts?like the 37yr old C-130 who went down..i heard from a WEb news search.i am thoroughly disgusted by this..also from Davao Airport.
is this the Mindset of our Philippine Govt? Refurbish until it crash!?Nagititpidtipid!!!!
http://www.msc.navy.mil/sealift/2008/November/aircraft.htm

^^ Too much corruption makes our country even poorer!
Saan kaya napunta ang kinita sa pagbenta ng lupain sa The Fort?? Lupa ng AFP yun e.. dapat ginamit for modernization ng AFP ang kinita dun... baka nagastos na ni Ramos yun noon.:ohno:

If AA wants JL's lucrative Asian network, why can't they do a hub-and-spoke concept and open a flight to MNL???

I also wonder why, there is defintely a market potential here since they fly LAX from NRT...

Some pictures from the 2010 Singapore Air show


Boeing 737-800 from Garuda Indonesia
http://i521.photobucket.com/albums/w339/TabakoDream/DSC00868.jpg

Basically, the static displays are almost the same as last time sans the A380

I really like the new livery of GA.. That's why its my avatar pic! I wish their return to MNL soon.

^^ I believe AA doesn't have rights to fly to MNL.
Huh? Why? Sayang yung potential...

question: Is Spirit of Manila airways operational already?

I believe so, I saw one of their planes in Taipei last month.

Bakit hindi kayamag try ang AA ng MNL flights kahit 4x a week lang... I'm sure me market potential naman yan.
I believe AA doesn't have rights to fly to MNL.
Huh? Why? Sayang yung potential...

Certain American carriers have the rights to fly to the Philippines. NW is one of them, but since it doesn't exist anymore, DL inherited those rights with the merger. If I'm not mistaken, PA [Pan-American Airways] and TW [Trans World Airlines] were the other two carriers that have flight rights to the Philippines. But with their demise, UA inherited some of them (dunno which airline from though); and I don't think AA was the other airline that was the successor to the other's flight rights.

AIR PHILIPPINES upcoming flights

http://www.airphils.com/images/ads/1265263398ads.jpg
http://www.airphils.com/images/ads/1265349932ads.jpg

what aircraft will they use?

hi meron po bang or may alam kayong site kung san makikita mo ang history ng isang aircraft? yung kailan unang lumipad at ano ano ng airlines ang gumamit etc...?

AIR PHILIPPINES upcoming flights

http://www.airphils.com/images/ads/1265263398ads.jpg
http://www.airphils.com/images/ads/1265349932ads.jpg

Lots of developments for 2P... Anyway I got a juicy date of start of Airbus320s flight of 2P - March 27... It will remain rumors until an official statement came from them.

UA got their rights from Pan-Am.

Certain American carriers have the rights to fly to the Philippines. NW is one of them, but since it doesn't exist anymore, DL inherited those rights with the merger. If I'm not mistaken, PA [Pan-American Airways] and TW [Trans World Airlines] were the other two carriers that have flight rights to the Philippines. But with their demise, UA inherited some of them (dunno which airline from though); and I don't think AA was the other airline that was the successor to the other's flight rights.

Correct me if I am wrong but is AA the US carrier which PR is closest to? Sayang naman ito if they don't leverage their relationship.

hi meron po bang or may alam kayong site kung san makikita mo ang history ng isang aircraft? yung kailan unang lumipad at ano ano ng airlines ang gumamit etc...?

uhhh wikipedia :)

Repost from Butuan City Thread.

UPDATE:


BANCASI TERMINAL BUILDING RENOVATION & EXTENSION
BANCASI
Butuan City

(PHOTOS TAKEN FEB. 6,2010)


ARRIVAL AREA:

SEE PIC BELOW:


http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac269/msbunnybxu/DSC04544.jpg?t=1265531769


http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac269/msbunnybxu/DSC04540.jpg?t=1265532400





PRE-DEPARTURE & CHECK -IN AREA (Bali once finished, magkakatabi na ang Check-in counters ng PAL & Cebu Pacific)


GOOD NEWS: The whole CHECK-IN AREA will soon be air-conditioned :banana:



See pics below:


http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac269/msbunnybxu/DSC04543.jpg?t=1265530115

http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac269/msbunnybxu/CopyofDSC04535.jpg?t=1265530369


http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac269/msbunnybxu/CopyofDSC04530.jpg?t=1265532590


The pinakadulo portion of the building will soon be Cebu Pacific's ticketing Office. Face to face na sila with PAL office :lol:

See Pic below with arrow:


http://i906.photobucket.com/albums/ac269/msbunnybxu/05.jpg?t=1265529410

Lots of developments for 2P... Anyway I got a juicy date of start of Airbus320s flight of 2P - March 27... It will remain rumors until an official statement came from them.

2P is opening unpopular but potentially profitable routes.

We have a satellite operations in Masbate. Those who frequent the place will be delighted to know this.

hi meron po bang or may alam kayong site kung san makikita mo ang history ng isang aircraft? yung kailan unang lumipad at ano ano ng airlines ang gumamit etc...?

www.airfleets.net
www.aerotransport.org
www.airframes.org
www.airlinerlist.com
www.ch-aviation.ch

^^^ thanks

Just arrived from Marinduque. :D

^^ Wow ayus! Kelan kaya start nila...Sana Embraer jet ang gagamitin ng South Phoenix Airways, since meron silang 1 Embraer ERJ 135..:D:banana::banana:
At sana bumili pa ang Ayala ng ERJ 170 -195 jets hehe

I see South Phoenix is back again after their failed Mindanao experiment.

question: Is Spirit of Manila airways operational already?

Yes, they are. They fly MNL-BAH (via BKK and KHI) and MNL-TPE.

If AA wants JL's lucrative Asian network, why can't they do a hub-and-spoke concept and open a flight to MNL???

AA does not have fifth-freedom rights from NRT. Only DL and UA have those, inherited respectively from NW and PA.

what aircraft will they use?

^^ Bombardier Q400 siguro.

UA got their rights from Pan-Am.

Thanks! :okay:

Correct me if I am wrong but is AA the US carrier which PR is closest to? Sayang naman ito if they don't leverage their relationship.

PR and AA only have interline agreements.

^^ If I were to judge on interline agreements alone, PR would be closer to KL than AA.

Domestic passenger air traffic grew 25.3% in ’09, CAB says

By Paolo Montecillo
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 22:28:00 02/07/2010

Filed Under: Air Transport

MANILA, Philippines—The number of people who traveled by air within the country last year grew by a quarter, as those who were on tighter budgets took advantage of cheaper fares offered by local carriers.

Data from the Civil Aeronautics Board (CAB) released late Friday showed a 25.34-percent jump in the number of people who traveled by air within the country in 2009 to 14.75 million compared to 11.77 million in 2008.

“In international travel, there might have been a slight decline but domestic travel did well because of the tight competition among airlines, which led to lower fares,” CAB Executive Director Carmelo Arcilla said.

Other than the usual tourists, Arcilla said people who used to travel by sea to go home from Manila to their home provinces were now taking planes more often because of the convenience and the decline in prices. “In the past few years, domestic travel has been getting stronger, but international travel is really on a decline,” Arcilla said.

Gokongwei-led Cebu Pacific Air ferried the most passengers in the 12-month period at 7.23 million. This is 35 percent more than the 5.35 million the airline carried in 2008.

The company’s load factor or the number of seats filled relative to the number of seats available on each flight, also improved to 81 percent from 79 percent in 2008.

“[The increase was due to] higher loads and successive seat sales and lowest year-round fares,” Cebu Pacific vice president for marketing Candice Iyog said in a text message Friday.

The increase widened Cebu Pacific’s lead as the country’s top domestic airline over rival Lucio Tan-led Philippine Airlines (PAL), which had 6.05 million passengers in the period.

The flag-carrier’s yearend result was 23.2 percent higher than the 4.91 million domestic passengers it carried the year earlier. PAL’s load factor dipped slightly to 77 percent from 78 percent in 2008.

PAL’s sister firm, Asian Spirit, carried 408,863 passengers for the year, or less than half of the 913,570 passengers it had the year before.

Southeast Asian Airlines or SEAir, meanwhile, also posted a decline to 184,145 from 217,879 in the same comparative periods.

However, Zest Airways, which re-branded itself from Asian Spirit to reflect the interest of its new owner juice—magnate Alfred Yao, posted the most dramatic year-on-year growth of 133.12 percent to 872,223 passengers in 2009.

^^ I think they mean Air Philippines there. 6K (now Z2) had no relation to PAL whatsoever. Journalism at its finest. :ohno:

Mag oopen na ba nag CATICLAN Airport by March 2010? Bakit sabi sa Cebu Pac website start na sila mag offer ng caticlan flights starting march?

^^ yung ang sabi sa website nila na mag-resume na ang flights to Caticlan..
Kelan kaya susunod ang Zest Air to Caticlan?

Ewan ko Zest airways kasi may kasalanan kaya sinara sa mas malalaking planes ang caticlan...hehehhe

Cebu Pacific IPO may push through this year
By Zinnia B. Dela Peña , TPS, Updated February 08, 2010 12:00 AM

MANILA, Philippines
- The aborted plan of low-fare carrier Cebu Pacific to go public may finally take off this year, industry sources said.

The investment banking community is rife with talks that Cebu Pacific is reviving its shelved initial public offering (IPO) plans and has resumed consultation with its financial advisor. Volatile market conditions and high crude prices prompted Cebu Pacific, a member of the Gokongwei flagship firm JG Summit Holdings Inc., to put its listing plans in the back burner.

The Gokongwei-owned Cebu Pacific was originally scheduled to make its trading debut on Feb. 8, 2008 to raise nearly P13 billion.

Based on the registration statement earlier approved by the Securities and Exchange Commission, Cebu Pacific planned to sell new and existing shares totalling up to 135.46 million shares a P95 each share to partly fund an aggressive fleet expansion.

Gross proceeds for the company would be up to P6.8 billion and selling shareholders would have gotten up to P6.03 billion. Before the postponement, Cebu Pacific had said it generated positive feedback on the IPO plan from international and domestic investors in a road show.

The local stock index has been on a downward trend since last week. It closed 2.03 percent or 59.23 points lower at P2,855.64 Friday, the lowest since the 62.11-point drop last Jan. 22.

In spite of this downward spiral, analysts still expect stocks to be the favorite investment instrument of investors. Analysts said while Cebu Pacific could easily secure Export Credit Agency financing, raising cash through the stockmarket would still be the most ideal option to fund its $1 billion expansion plan. 

The budget airline has announced plans to acquire 17 new aircraft over the next five years, doubling its existing fleet. Cebu Pacific has flown over 40 million passengers since its inception in March 1996. It operates from four hubs (Manila, Cebu, Clark and Davao), using the youngest aircraft fleet in the Philippines composed of 21 Airbus A320 and 8 ATR 72-500 aircraft.

Cebu Pacific has a pending application to fly to Brunei and was considering other destinations, like Australia as well as new routes to Japan.

The Gokongwei-owned airline flies to 14 international destinations, including Hong Kong and Singapore (6-times daily services to both), Osaka, Incheon, Pusan (via Cebu), Taipei, Macau, Shanghai, Guangzhou, Kuala Lumpur, Kota Kinabalu, Bangkok, Ho Chi Minh and Jakarta. It has a total of 32 domestic destinations including Caticlan (Boracay), Dipolog, Cebu, Catarman and Calbayog in Samar, Tuguegarao and Cauayan in North Luzon, and Virac in Catanduanes.

Cebu Pacific was back in the red in the nine months ending September 2009 with its net income hitting P1.78 billion as against a net loss of P1.87 billion the same period a year earlier. Gross revenues reached P16.22 billion, up 16.1 percent over the previous year’s P13.98 billion, mainly due to the opening of additional routes, increase in flight frequencies and capacity.

As of Oct. 31 last year, Cebu Pacific has flown nearly 7.3 million passengers, surpassing the 6.7 million number of passengers flown in 2008. Following a more than P3-billion loss in 2008, the airline expects to post healthy profits this year on the back of its growing passenger base and expanding revenue.

Seems that DL will have to continue operating their NRT hub. It has been reported that JAL has rejected DL and SkyTeam, and has favored AA and Oneworld. So no more DL-JL perhaps?

And it seems that PR are now flying the 77W to CEB. I saw one land this evening while going home, and boy oh boy, those GE90-115Bs sound wicked! :D

what aircraft will they use?
Only Pagadian is left without flight schedule.All three were in the last ad for "Flight coming soon".2p could be gearing up their airbus so they can compete with 5j for Pagadian.

And it seems that PR are now flying the 77W to CEB. I saw one land this evening while going home, and boy oh boy, those GE90-115Bs sound wicked! :D

are you sure it's not an A330? 849 is EQV while 863 is an A333.

Seems that DL will have to continue operating their NRT hub. It has been reported that JAL has rejected DL and SkyTeam, and has favored AA and Oneworld. So no more DL-JL perhaps?

Yeah, that's the case. I prefer JL stays in OneWorld because if it joined SkyTeam, it leaves the alliance crowded with Asian carriers which means little room for PR to join.

As for EK's 77Ws flying the DXB-MNL route, do they feature the Weber seats like those here:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Emirates/Boeing-777-31H-ER/1453822/L/

Or do they still use the older seats with the 1st generation of ICE?
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Emirates/Boeing-777-21H-ER/1102469/L/

Yeah, that's the case. I prefer JL stays in OneWorld because if it joined SkyTeam, it leaves the alliance crowded with Asian carriers which means little room for PR to join.

North Asia and Southeast Asia are completely different markets. Star is certainly not crowded in Asia with CA, NH, OZ, SQ, TG, UA and soon AI under its belt now, isn't it?

The JL saga though is still hanging, as JL has still not yet made a final decision on the matter. That could come this month.

SBMA: No rush to close Subic airport


Written by Henry Empeño / Correspondent
Tuesday, 09 February 2010 19:46
Business Mirror

SUBIC BAY FREE PORT—While the Subic Bay International Airport (SBIA) is losing money ever since Federal Express transferred its Asia One logistics hub from here to China in February last year, Subic authorities are still reluctant to close it down.

Armand Arreza, administrator and chief executive officer of the Subic Bay Metropolitan Authority (SBMA), said they are still evaluating its viability and exploring alternatives for the SBIA, which serves as a secondary airport and a main diversion terminal for the Ninoy Aquino International Airport in Manila.

“There is no rush to close the airport,” Arreza told Subic locators in a recent meeting. “Actually, we are still marketing the airport and looking for other alternatives to make it useful.”

Arreza said among the options under consideration is turning part of the 200-hectare airport into a logistics area.

“If we convert 40 hectares of the airport’s 200-hectare area, then we can raise about $80 million,” Arreza said.

“This 40-hectare portion could serve as a logistics area, while the rest could be used for commercial development,” he added.

The SBIA grew from what was the Naval Air Station when Subic was still an American military base.

Built in the early years of the SBMA in the hope of servicing both passenger and cargo planes, the SBIA is equipped with a 2,728-meter runway, modern navigational systems, and a 10,000-square meter passenger terminal that could handle 700 passengers at any given time.

The airport can also take in 41 commercial aircraft, a capacity proven in the past few years when Taiwanese passenger planes were diverted to Subic after the island-nation was buffeted by typhoons.

Since 1996 until February last year, the Subic airport served as the Asia-Pacific hub of courier giant FedEx. But when FedEx planes flew out to China for good in 2009, the SBIA was largely relegated to serving as the base for training schools.

Meanwhile, the dream of having passenger airlines making connecting flights to Subic never really took off after some attempts by several firms.

According to SBMA records, aircraft movement in the Subic free port significantly dropped from 108,686 in 2008 when FedEx still operated out of Subic, to just 57,246 in 2009.

Similarly, passenger movement plummeted from 10,682 in 2008 to only 7,059 in 2009.

Arreza said that due to slow business, the airport has been missing out on its $20-million loan payments.

“Economically, it doesn’t make sense anymore to continue its operations,” Arreza said in a recent media briefing. “It doesn’t even break even anymore, as it did when FedEx was still here.”

Arreza said the planned conversion of part of the Subic airport is consistent with the SBMA expansion program, which was meant to address the limited commercial and industrial space in Subic’s controlled area.

“The trend now in Subic is to move out of the central business district, and even outside the traditional boundaries, the fenced-in portion,” Arreza said.

“We will now focus on developing significant infrastructure facilities in those areas in order to generate more investments outside the traditional boundaries of the free port,” he added.
In Photo: Workers repaint the facade of the Subic Bay International Airport, as Subic authorities think of ways to make its operations viable. (Henry Empeño)

are you sure it's not an A330? 849 is EQV while 863 is an A333.
I could tell she was a 77W because her engines were GE90-huge and it somewhat has the distinctive GE90-115B whine. But maybe i was just blinded. I will try to double check.

Yeah, that's the case. I prefer JL stays in OneWorld because if it joined SkyTeam, it leaves the alliance crowded with Asian carriers which means little room for PR to join.
Actually, i wanted JAL to stay in oneworld because it's my favorite alliance. For some reason, i dislike SkyTeam. I would rather like PR to join oneworld or Star.

BTW, it's already been confirmed, JL has chosen AA and OW and will be getting ATI approval.

UA got their rights from Pan-Am.

Since UA is not interested in getting to MNL again. Why don't AA seize the opportunity to het the rights... MNL-NRT-LAX/ORD is a potential market...

As for EK's 77Ws flying the DXB-MNL route, do they feature the Weber seats like those here:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Emirates/Boeing-777-31H-ER/1453822/L/

Or do they still use the older seats with the 1st generation of ICE?
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Emirates/Boeing-777-21H-ER/1102469/L/

They usually used their B773er on their flights to MNL so I those are the Weber seats. They use A332 just once a month I think and its very rare...

Actually, i wanted JAL to stay in oneworld because it's my favorite alliance. For some reason, i dislike SkyTeam. I would rather like PR to join oneworld or Star.

Please, PAL should not join Oneworld. Other than seriously competing against CX, PR would be relegated to feeding only HKG and NRT, and not to be developed as a hub in its own right simply because the much larger HKG is only two hours away.

If not SkyTeam, Star is the best choice for PAL.

i would prefer Star Alliance also...rather than Oneworld.

If not SkyTeam, Star is the best choice for PAL.
So with oneworld out, i will have to agree, Star will be PR's best alliance they could join.

Since UA is not interested in getting to MNL again. Why don't AA seize the opportunity to het the rights... MNL-NRT-LAX/ORD is a potential market...



They usually used their B773er on their flights to MNL so I those are the Weber seats. They use A332 just once a month I think and its very rare...

Both the old and new ICE seats are featured on the 77W. The question I want to know if if MNL uses the 77Ws with newer seats (i.e. those made by Weber).

Please, PAL should not join Oneworld. Other than seriously competing against CX, PR would be relegated to feeding only HKG and NRT, and not to be developed as a hub in its own right simply because the much larger HKG is only two hours away.

If not SkyTeam, Star is the best choice for PAL.

i would prefer Star Alliance also...rather than Oneworld.

So with oneworld out, i will have to agree, Star will be PR's best alliance they could join.

The problem with PR joining Star is that South East Asia is and will further be over-represented, especially with SQ and TG.

^^I also heard that SQ was not happy when TG joined Star Alliance because competition would arise. That's the problem with Star. They've got too many members that at times, they would compete with each other for the sake of profit and yields.

^^I also heard that SQ was not happy when TG joined Star Alliance because competition would arise. That's the problem with Star. They've got too many members that at times, they would compete with each other for the sake of profit and yields.

^^

Ummm, TG joined Star before SQ.

It's official: JAL is staying with AA (http://press.jal.co.jp/en/release/201002/001458.html).

150,000 airline seats involved in another Japanese recall
by Scott Carmichael (RSS feed) on Feb 9th, 2010 at 8:00PM Gadling.com (http://www.gadling.com/2010/02/09/150-000-airline-seats-involved-in-another-japanese-recall/)

More bad news for Japanese companies today, as Yokohama based Koito Industries admitted to falsifying test results from its line of airplane seats.

According to the Japanese transportation ministry, the entire testing department at Koito was involved in the scandal, and it may have been going on since the mid 90's.

During the investigation, officials discovered that Koito skipped entire tests, and used data from past tests instead. In addition to this, they manipulated computer screens so they would show false figures during tests observed by the government.

The false information can have potentially catastrophic results - results of fire resistance and strength were falsified on as many as 150,000 seats installed on planes from 32 airlines.

According to the Koito site, they sold seats to airlines like Continental, JAL, ANA, KLM, Singapore, Virgin Atlantic and SAS. Whether those airlines actually received seats involved in this recall is unknown.

Of course, the timing of this recall is terrible for the Japanese - as they are in the middle of their embarrassing admission of how Toyota handled their safety issues. Make no mistake - 150,000 airline seats in need of potential improvements could turn into a major problem for those airlines involved, especially if the recall means seats need to be replaced.

As of right now, there is apparently "no cause for concern" - the Japanese transportation ministry has approved the continued use of the seats after consulting the Federal Aviation Administration.

Update: Initially, this article had listed Air Canada as a current user of Koito seats (based off information from the Koito site). The airline contacted us to let us know that they removed all Koito seats in 2008. None of the seats in the Air Canada fleet are currently from the troubled Japanese company. Thanks to Air Canada for that correction.

PAL is better part of Star Alliance than One World and Sky Team, I agree with SkyHarbor kasi mag-aaway lang sila sa MNL-HKG routes, joining Star Alliance would give them a chance to Codeshare with other airlines for routes to Manila. Sky Team on the other hand is :nuts:, all the airlines under it isn't good.

PAL should be back in the advertisement industry, they should invest in advertising on TV, >.< MAS has good commercials to show T__T i feel ashamed when I see Asia's first airline in the bottom.

BTW cyberairlines.net a good airline simulator game xD.

question: Is Spirit of Manila airways operational already?

Yeah Spirit of Manila Airways is already operational :D They're the only Philippine Based carrier for now to fly to the middle east having connections to Bahrain via some fuel stops in Pakistan, Thailand etc., PAL will join the middle east network by March. :D Check out Spirit of Manila's website.
:banana:

As for EK's 77Ws flying the DXB-MNL route, do they feature the Weber seats like those here:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Emirates/Boeing-777-31H-ER/1453822/L/

Or do they still use the older seats with the 1st generation of ICE?
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Emirates/Boeing-777-21H-ER/1102469/L/

I've flewn with Emirates, DXB-MNL-DXB, yes they still use the old version T__T WHY?!! They should use their new ICE in their Manila services, the Manila route is a huge playground for mid-east airlines as Manila-routes are like Kangaroo routes/routes to/from Australia. EK has 3 kinds of seat designs >.< the one i flew with was a B77W however the seats were like this
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Emirates/Boeing-777-31H/1110757/&sid=9d741653b63d3213121d1d46535689b7
not this
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Emirates/Boeing-777-31H-ER/1453822/L/

I heard the Philippine Government has given chance for UAE-based carriers to extend their network in the Philippines, I've seen a thread once here in skyscraper about 80-100 flights around the Philippines however if they do this lugi talaga ang PAL.:ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno::ohno:
:bash:

I've seen PAL B77W and their entertainment system parehong pareho sa Emirates' new ICE system and hope to fly with it IF THEY RESUME SERVICES TO DUBAI, I suggest PAL should use their A333 for their Riyadh-services kasi kung B774 hindi naman sila sigurado kung malaki talaga ang profit sa Riyadh services.

If DMIA opens, I hope Emirates flies with their A388. Why did Emirates stop MNL-HKG routes?

^^ I believe the A333 does not have the range to fly to the Middle East, or if it does, it will take on severe weight penalties. That's why the Middle East was served exclusively with 742s, 744s and A343s when PAL was still flying there.

^^ O ok however CX flies to Hong Kong using their A333 O.o

^^ Hong Kong is closer to Dubai than Manila. I wouldn't know.

^^

While playing AirwaySim, my A330s can go from MNL to RUH and DOH. In fact some use players use it as far west as CDG (with payload restrictions of course). Using CF6-80E1 engines, it can go as far as 5430 miles. Mind you, an A330 is sometimes used from MNL to HNL.

correct CX used A330 for their route

HKG-BAH-DUB-HKG

HKG-BAH-RUH-HKG

^^ O ok however CX flies to Hong Kong using their A333 O.o

PAL is better part of Star Alliance than One World and Sky Team, I agree with SkyHarbor kasi mag-aaway lang sila sa MNL-HKG routes, joining Star Alliance would give them a chance to Codeshare with other airlines for routes to Manila.

If PR and CX (as well as oneworld) will fight over the MNL-HKG route, I think you can expect the similar case between PR and SQ where they will fight over the MNL-SIN route. How do you think the potential fight with CX over MNL-HKG will not be seen in the MNL-SIN with SQ?

^^ O ok however CX flies to Hong Kong using their A333 O.o

PAL has only A330-301s which are all early-build GEs. CX has several versions of the RR-powered A330s. I suppose some of the CX birds have slightly better performance than the first-gen PAL planes.

If PR and CX (as well as oneworld) will fight over the MNL-HKG route, I think you can expect the similar case between PR and SQ where they will fight over the MNL-SIN route. How do you think the potential fight with CX over MNL-HKG will not be seen in the MNL-SIN with SQ?

The problem there is the proximity of hubs. MNL and HKG are more bound to compete against each other than MNL and SIN given the distance: SIN is about twice as far away from MNL than HKG is. In addition, SQ, TG and PR can effectively target different segments of the market, unlike HKG, which tries to capture everything, and PR.

yeah my A333 flies to Riyadh 7781 km ang distance daw from mnl. ang lakas ng demand 99% palaging full. :lol::lol::lol:

^^

Ummm, TG joined Star before SQ.
Oops, i forgot. But i heard that both airlines were not happy because even if they were in the same alliance, competition would arise between the two. However, it seems that they have managed to make it work.

The problem there is the proximity of hubs. MNL and HKG are more bound to compete against each other than MNL and SIN given the distance: SIN is about twice as far away from MNL than HKG is. In addition, SQ, TG and PR can effectively target different segments of the market, unlike HKG, which tries to capture everything, and PR.

Really? I think PR and CX have different targets as well. CX probably targets more of the high yield crowd. Almost all my friends who have gone to HKG have taken PR. I will be taking PR to HKG as well, to my disappointment. I don't know of anyone who has recently taken CX unless HKG is a transit point to Europe. Furthermore, SQ can offer tickets at less than $300, all-in at some points in the year. CX offers them at more than $550, all-in.

Oneworld is not represented in ASEAN. SkyTeam will soon be and StarAlliance is over-represented. And I wouldn't worry about a rivalry between MNL and HKG. In the first place, our route network isn't as extensive as CX is and only 2-1/2 airlines who represent oneworld fly to MNL (JO flies in behalf of JL and I'm not sure if QF operates its own routes in MNL). StarAlliance gives us 3 (soon 4 with Air China), SkyTeam gives us 5 (once VN joins).

^^ Southeast Asia has oneworld representation: HKG and CX. QF operates all their MNL-bound flights.

VN does not fly to MNL: PAL does this on their behalf.

PAL offers 'early bird' fare for Brisbane route

abs-cbnNEWS.com | 02/10/2010 4:53 PM



MANILA, Philippines - Flag carrier Philippine Airlines (PAL) will resume its flights to Brisbane, Australia starting next month and is offering a special round trip fare for early bookers.

The Lucio Tan-led airline is set to relaunch its Brisbane route on March 17 with thrice-weekly flights from Manila (Manila-Melbourne-Brisbane-Manila).

PAL first flew to Brisbane in 1985 but was forced to shut down its Australian services in 1998 as the Asian financial crisis took toll on the airline's operations.

"The restoration of Brisbane to the network completes our comeback in Australia, following the return of Sydney and Melbourne in recent years," PAL said in a statement released Wednesday.

"It presents an excellent opportunity to build business, trade and tourism links between the Philippines and Queensland. In particular, the new service opens access to visitors from the Philippines to the popular Gold Coast Tourist destination near Brisbane," it added.

PAL said a round trip fare to Brisbane will cost $552 for those who will book flights from February 10 to 15, 2010. This is good for travel between April 5 and August 31, 2010.

The introductory rate includes applicable surcharges but not government taxes and service fees. Tickets may be purchased via PAL's website or ticket offices, or through accredited travel agents.

^^ Southeast Asia has oneworld representation: HKG and CX. QF operates all their MNL-bound flights.

VN does not fly to MNL: PAL does this on their behalf.

HK is geographically NOT part of SEAsia. Although its proximity often leads some airline companies to group it together with the said region, for the purposes of sales and marketing.

Also, CX's coverage of the region is quite limited in comparison to say TG (good coverage of IndoChina) and SQ (good coverage overall with MI).

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I was going to say that. It is geographically part of East Asia. Having said that, PR doesn't have a good grasp of ASEAN except for BKK and SIN where those are the only ASEAN cities where they fly daily. To make matters worse, PR itself will turnover its low-density and low-yield domestic destinations to 2P. We have more destinations in China than South East Asia (excluding domestic destinations).

HK is geographically NOT part of SEAsia. Although its proximity often leads some airline companies to group it together with the said region, for the purposes of sales and marketing.

I know that. However, the proximity of HKG to MNL will not make MNL a viable hub if PAL is in oneworld. Cathay is simply too powerful when compared to PAL.

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Howabout ICN and NRT where OZ and NH operate respectively? Or DCA and IAD where US and UA respectively have significant operations? Take note US is much smaller than UA. Also, when CO was still a SkyTeam airline, the midwest was a major battleground amongst themselves with DTW, CVG and CLE as key hubs' DL had the largest operations and NW and CO having relatively smaller operations.

12-year-old sneaks onto plane to look for father in Manila:bash:
http://gulfnews.com/news/world/philippines/12-year-old-sneaks-onto-plane-to-look-for-father-in-manila-1.581125
The boy was originally from Central Philippines' Samar and was staying at an orphanage in Cebu City since September

* By Gilbert P. FelongcoCorrespondent
* Published: 00:00 February 11, 2010
* Gulf News

Manila: A 12-year-old runaway boy almost succeeded in stowing away aboard a flight from Cebu to Manila until his caper was discovered when a passenger complained that the youngster took his seat.

The boy, who was not named in compliance with local child rights protection laws, successfully boarded the Manila-bound flight without authorities noticing that he did not have a boarding ticket.

A report by the daily Manila Bulletin said the boy was able to get past the multi-layered security checks at the Mactan Cebu International Airport on February 2 and had already seated himself aboard Philippines Airlines Flight 848 when a passenger called the attention of the flight attendants because the youngster had taken her seat.

The boy, who was apparently travelling alone, said he tried to stow away aboard the flight to Manila so that he could look for his father. He was originally from Central Philippines' Samar and was staying at an orphanage in Cebu City since September.

Airport manager Danilo Francia admitted that the boy had been allowed to board the flight because they never suspected that anyone that young would have the audacity to do such a thing, let alone travel alone.

‘Too lenient'

"We were too lenient on children because children have always been pure and innocent," Francia was quoted as saying in the report.

While the incident stirred a minor controversy, it brought to light lapses in security at one of the country's key gateways.

Based on local and international travel rules, minors must be accompanied by parents when travelling or properly endorsed to airline flight personnel. The boy had figured in a similar stow away incident last year.

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Hehe! The more important question is, where was his mum? This isn't the 1st stowaway incident on a flight I heard this week. There was another 1 and unfortunately the stowaway died.

PAL offers 'early bird' fare for Brisbane route
abs-cbnNEWS.com | 02/10/2010 4:53 PM

MANILA, Philippines - Flag carrier Philippine Airlines (PAL) will resume its flights to Brisbane, Australia starting next month and is offering a special round trip fare for early bookers.

The Lucio Tan-led airline is set to relaunch its Brisbane route on March 17 with thrice-weekly flights from Manila (Manila-Melbourne-Brisbane-Manila).

PAL first flew to Brisbane in 1985 but was forced to shut down its Australian services in 1998 as the Asian financial crisis took toll on the airline's operations.

"The restoration of Brisbane to the network completes our comeback in Australia, following the return of Sydney and Melbourne in recent years," PAL said in a statement released Wednesday.
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Speaking of Australia routes.. it seems that QF is not bothered with the competition w/ PAL and not interested in getting more share of its MNL routes...
-flying their old B767 without inferior amenities to MNL (Their A330 is once a month deployment) now PAL will deploy B773 to give a more stiff competition
-flies 4x a week only vs. PAL's daily route and other airlines playing in the area like CX, SQ, VN, and BI (I wonder if they get high yields here, that's why but why PAL is on daily service?)
-expensive fare (I've worked in the travel agency and their fares is higher than PAL! or other airline)

I wonder what up with QF... Now with PAL returning to BNE vs QF's once flight to BNE frm MNL... PAL is getting another share of its Australian market. QF's ace is their extensive cover of AU and NZ destinations... but the rest of the aces belongs to PAL. Both have patron passengers for sure but with this scenario some might choose PAL or other airlines... I think QF is just not interested in MNL...

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And that's why PR should consider joining oneworld. If QF withdraws, CX and to a lesser extent JL will be the only ones that will represent oneworld (JO flies in behalf of JL) in MNL. Having said that, I think it will be bothered if PR plans to go to AKL from SYD.

Clark airport raises capacity to 2.5m

Manila Standard
Feb.11, 2010

Clark-based Diosdado Macapagal International Airport will raise its passenger capacity by 500,000 to 2.5 million annually starting this April, officials said.

The P300-million second phase expansion of the airport is on schedule with its March completion target, officials said.

President Arroyo will inspect today the airport, one of several infrastructure projects she has vowed to complete before her term ends in June.

The airport, which is named after her late father, will feature two aero bridges, flight information display, close-circuit television, background music, public address system, X-ray machines, escalators and elevators, among other modern amenities.

The airport is host to foreign and local carriers flying out of Clark to such routes as Kuala Lumpur, Kota Kinabalu, Hongkong, Macau, Bangkok and South Korea with connecting flights to the US, China and Japan.

The Macapagal airport and other major ports throughout the country have been developed or upgraded through an 800 percent increase in fund support given by the Arroyo administration, Transportation and Communications Secretary Leandro Mendoza said.

From 2001-2009, around P831 million was allocated for airport projects compared to the P99.84 million allocation from 1994 to 2000, he said. Albert Lacanlale