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pthfndr19 February 25th, 2010, 07:30 PM The 5 Airports in SAMAR ISLAND...
CALBAYOG CITY AIRPORT.
- Airlines currently serving: PAL Express(Air Philippines, Cebu Pacific, and Zest Airways)
- its runway has on going expansion to 2100 meters.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c124/alfinsky/IMG_1306.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c124/alfinsky/IMG_1318.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c124/alfinsky/IMG_5875.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c124/alfinsky/IMG_5864.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c124/alfinsky/IMG_5867.jpg
CATARMAN AIRPORT.
- Airlines currently serving: PAL Express(Air Philippines, Cebu Pacific, and Zest Airways)
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c124/alfinsky/IMG_0594.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c124/alfinsky/IMG_1248.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c124/alfinsky/takeoff.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c124/alfinsky/IMG_0584.jpg
BORONGAN AIRPORT
- Currently no commercial airline is serving. SEAIR used to serve here last year.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c124/alfinsky/SEAIRBorongan.jpg
GUIUAN AIRPORT
- The airport's rehabilitation has been completed already last year but until now no commercial airline is serving.:ohno:
- this has the longest runway of all airports in Samar which has more than 2000 meters.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c124/alfinsky/GuiuanAirport.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c124/alfinsky/GuiuanAirportRunway.jpg
CATBALOGAN AIRPORT
- Currently no commercial airline is serving. Only used for chartered flights by small aircrafts.
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c124/alfinsky/Catbalogan-1.jpg
boom_box February 25th, 2010, 07:49 PM Who won't love this stuff kung nasa high-school kapa tapos may knowledge kana sa aviation industry...
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oboi February 25th, 2010, 08:10 PM Any pictures of the terminal at VGN?
^^ may picture ka ba ng Vigan Airport Terminal building?:)
I guess this is the terminal.
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h141/oboi_1/2010/viganair04.jpg
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h141/oboi_1/2010/viganair03.jpg
Runway 20
http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h141/oboi_1/2010/viganair05.jpg
hybridace101 February 26th, 2010, 01:21 AM I'll make a trip report on this later but I want to share with you the pictures I have taken as I am waiting for PR300 right now:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2776/4388557430_2e937d5c37.jpg (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2776/4388557430_2e937d5c37.jpg)
F-OHPJ
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2724/4387804677_01f8f24314_b.jpg (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2724/4387804677_01f8f24314_b.jpg)
The infamous N754PR
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4044/4387805373_524b5e2a3f_b.jpg (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4044/4387805373_524b5e2a3f_b.jpg)
I got to go now. We will board very shortly.
chris_nigel February 26th, 2010, 01:27 AM ^^
http://i968.photobucket.com/albums/ae168/parapananggut/February%2019/Picture1.png?t=1267020774
^^
wala pa kaming ideya kung ano talaga ang final design..
Fuetabella (Proposed by the City Government)
http://gerryruiz.files.wordpress.com/2008/03/tacairport-aerial-w-1b.jpg
or yung katulad sa BCD..
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/7353/airport2.jpg
http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/9533/airport1y.jpg
mas maganda yung design proposed by the City government
hikouki February 26th, 2010, 02:44 AM The infamous N754PR
RP-C8168 is MUCH more infamous.:nuts:
hybridace101 February 26th, 2010, 10:04 AM I'll prepare a full trip report on this later when I have more time. Anyway, more pics:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2788/4388712387_b022e5003c_b.jpg (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2788/4388712387_b022e5003c_b.jpg)
C-class
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2773/4389480600_112a85f892_b.jpg
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2773/4389480600_112a85f892_b.jpg)
Y-class
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4033/4388712693_f163aba8c9_b.jpg (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4033/4388712693_f163aba8c9_b.jpg)
Y-class (view facing the seatbacks)
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4040/4389481596_6eb1ea1302_b.jpg (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4040/4389481596_6eb1ea1302_b.jpg)
Live map programme on the mainscreen
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4030/4388713403_750933c271_b.jpg (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4030/4388713403_750933c271_b.jpg)
Controller of the IFE.
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2689/4388714483_a308c7a065_b.jpg (http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2689/4388714483_a308c7a065_b.jpg)
The video embedded in the armrest.
By the way, the USB was working in the sense that you can charge. However, the contents of the USB weren't read. There wasn't apparently any integration into the IFE system. The FAs were even clueless and no literature about this was given in the in-flight magazine.
I'll probably finish my TR by the weekend.
mwg12a February 26th, 2010, 10:27 AM ^^^^ Nice pics! Can't wait to see the rest of your TR. Where is the destination? Sydney? I am just assuming it is because of what was on the IFE.
ianers_ianized February 26th, 2010, 10:34 AM ^^^ Sarap ng sumakay ng 777 ng PAL... I'll definitely enjoy Flights of Fancy in every flight!
alcogoodwin February 26th, 2010, 02:51 PM Lils Hobby Center-PARK SQUARE
Park Square 1 G/F Ayala Center
Makati City, Metro Manila,
Philippines
Telephone Number: 819 1646
E-mail: parksquare@lilsfutaba.net
I bought 6 models there so far..a bit pricey i reckon. but last time i was there i saw lots of dragonwings and a few herpas. I didnt see any Geminis or Phoenix which i prefer.
happy collecting..
hey if you see this model can you please tell me how much? its 1:200 scale a bit to pricey here $74 they have 3 in stock
http://www.hobbyco.com.au/images/stock/g2pal079.jpg
All Lil's have are a PAL 747 as sold on PAL flights and a rather expensive limited edition Cebu Pacific for P4000.
I purchased the later to go with all the others.
Of interest is there is a Lil's at Trinoma Mall.
mikem488 February 26th, 2010, 08:06 PM There is something going on in the background with the category 2 downgrade. Now the current administration want to solve the problem. What I have always questioned was why the problem has not been solved in over two years. The owner of PAL is one of the richest person in the Philippines. You don't think he can't make a phone call and talk to GMA.
There is more to this problem thann we have been told. Now they are writing that PAL is losing millions of dollars because of the restrictions. If that were the case why doesn't Tan give the government an extra million dollars to hire the 200 workers.
xzibit31 February 27th, 2010, 01:41 AM repost from the Davao airport thread:
PIA Press Release
2010/02/26
Air transport registers increase in 2009
By Mai Gevera
Davao City (26 February) -- Air transport in the region recorded a sharp rise in 2009, attributed to the operation of the new Davao International Airport now considered as one of the busiest airports in the country.
In yesterday's Department of Transportation and Communication (DOTC) Ulat sa Bayan, the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines XI reported an increased income from 290 million in 2008 to 330 million in 2009.
It was shown that more aircrafts are now using the CAAP facility which contributed to the increased aircraft traffic in Davao City , now at 19,047 flights last year. Incoming flights are slightly higher than outgoing flights.
Domestic passenger volume also increased to almost 2 million last year from 1.6 million in 2008. CAAP recorded 995,190 outbound passengers and 964,032 inbound passengers in the same year.
However, foreign passenger traffic slightly decreased to 32,453 from 46,468 in 2008 due to health advisories as well as peace and order condition.
Inbound cargo volume also slightly reduced last year due to global recession while many companies lessened their cargo forwarding.
CAAP attributed this growth on the improved Davao International Airport that accommodates an annual passenger capacity of 1.2 million and 80,000 metric tons carago capacity. The passenger terminal facilities are open for 18 hours while the air navigation for 24 hours daily.
CAAP is a product of RA 9487 Civil Aviation Authority Act of 2007, signed into law by President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo. The said independent regulatory body with quasi-judicial and quasi-legislative powers is mandated to set comprehensive, clear and impartial rules of the aviation industry. (PIA XI) [top]
hikouki February 27th, 2010, 02:21 AM There is something going on in the background with the category 2 downgrade. Now the current administration want to solve the problem. What I have always questioned was why the problem has not been solved in over two years. The owner of PAL is one of the richest person in the Philippines. You don't think he can't make a phone call and talk to GMA.
There is more to this problem thann we have been told. Now they are writing that PAL is losing millions of dollars because of the restrictions. If that were the case why doesn't Tan give the government an extra million dollars to hire the 200 workers.
Well, isn't the government trying to push all those legal cases against LT? With the half-sibling even proposing to testify against him. I really think the current leadership and LT are currently not in good terms...with this effect.:ohno:
Sky Harbor February 27th, 2010, 03:21 AM There is something going on in the background with the category 2 downgrade. Now the current administration want to solve the problem. What I have always questioned was why the problem has not been solved in over two years. The owner of PAL is one of the richest person in the Philippines. You don't think he can't make a phone call and talk to GMA.
There is more to this problem thann we have been told. Now they are writing that PAL is losing millions of dollars because of the restrictions. If that were the case why doesn't Tan give the government an extra million dollars to hire the 200 workers.
The administration wants to leave a "legacy", so it always tries to do keystone projects near the end of its term so that people can remember who to vote for in the next election. That's why the PNR, the Skyway, the opening of NAIA-3, the opening of new terminals in ILO, BCD and USU, and now even the lifting of Cat II, are all being done just now.
naughtycalboy February 27th, 2010, 05:14 AM i think PAL 777 yata ang sinakyan ko last feb 5 from Narita to Manila.
mao rong February 27th, 2010, 05:14 PM mas maganda yung design proposed by the City government
^^DOTC yung may final say...but i hope na i-consider yung design submitted by the city
oninBadz February 27th, 2010, 07:22 PM does anybody know if CEB still considers acquiring A333 aircraft or leasing B772ER from SQ?how about Zest Air plans of having B767,is it still on?:)
pthfndr19 February 27th, 2010, 08:42 PM SANGA-SANGA AIRPORT
Bongao, Tawi-Tawi
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c124/alfinsky/13954292.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c124/alfinsky/Airborne10.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c124/alfinsky/Airborne13.jpg
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c124/alfinsky/tawi5.jpg
Net find Picasa..
Sky Harbor February 28th, 2010, 04:16 AM ^^ It should be noted that SGS was recently expanded, so those pictures may be outdated.
Noize_320 February 28th, 2010, 03:10 PM curious question :
whats the usual speed of a plane when only taxiing?
anonapinoy February 28th, 2010, 03:34 PM ^^
i can only tell you as far as the a320/19 is concerned.. max taxi speed is 30 knots depending on taxiway and traffic limitations.. and limited to roughly around 10 knots during turns.
pthfndr19 February 28th, 2010, 05:39 PM ^^ It should be noted that SGS was recently expanded, so those pictures may be outdated.
^^ yes, those pics were taken 2006-2008.
hybridace101 February 28th, 2010, 06:11 PM Guys, I am inviting you to check-out my TR on the PR300 trip using the 77W here (http://mytripreports.wordpress.com/2010/02/28/lucky-777-mnl-hkg-26-feb/). I appreciate feedback either here in this forum or there in the blog. I'll update it with more pictures in the hours and days to come. Thanks!
yodax9000 February 28th, 2010, 09:22 PM curious question :
whats the usual speed of a plane when only taxiing?
cessnas and pipers... A brisk walk
Noize_320 March 1st, 2010, 04:36 AM ^^ sorry di ko na clarify...i was referring to jet airliners... :D
anonapinoy March 1st, 2010, 04:55 AM curious question :
whats the usual speed of a plane when only taxiing?
i can only tell you as far as the a320/19 is concerned.. max taxi speed is 30 knots depending on taxiway and traffic limitations.. and limited to roughly around 10 knots during turns.
yodax9000 March 1st, 2010, 05:01 AM for Southwest Airlines, max taxi speed is V1 minus 10 :)
anonapinoy March 1st, 2010, 05:47 AM for Southwest Airlines, max taxi speed is V1 minus 10 :)
Haha! That's crazy.
boom_box March 1st, 2010, 07:42 AM for Southwest Airlines, max taxi speed is V1 minus 10 :)
LOL... High speed taxiway... :nuts:
Noize_320 March 1st, 2010, 08:14 AM ^^ baka kung malakas ang hangin.. :lol: thanks for the infos...
xzibit31 March 1st, 2010, 08:34 AM i can only tell you as far as the a320/19 is concerned.. max taxi speed is 30 knots depending on taxiway and traffic limitations.. and limited to roughly around 10 knots during turns.
yup max taxi speed is 30 knots but it is not advisable because the gears will overheat. so the appropriate taxi speed is around 10 to 15 knots and around 5 to 10 knots during turns.
anonapinoy March 1st, 2010, 08:46 AM yup max taxi speed is 30 knots but it is not advisable because the gears will overheat. so the appropriate taxi speed is around 10 to 15 knots and around 5 to 10 knots during turns.
I beg to disagree sir. Max tire speed for the A320 is 195 knots. Taxiing at 30 knots is not a problem at all in so far as the structure and safe operation of the gears are concerned. It is only done though on hispeed taxiways. But yes I agree with you that on normal taxiways 10 to 15 knots is safe.
yodax9000 March 1st, 2010, 08:55 AM I beg to disagree sir. Max tire speed for the A320 is 195 knots. Taxiing at 30 knots is not a problem at all in so far as the structure and safe operation of the gears are concerned. It is only done though on hispeed taxiways. But yes I agree with you that on normal taxiways 10 to 15 knots is safe.
Its not the gears that overheat during fast taxi but the brakes. There is a max temperature at w/c a takeoff cannot be performed till the brakes cool down. So, slower taxis = less braking = less brake temp...and vice versa
anonapinoy March 1st, 2010, 09:22 AM Its not the gears that overheat during fast taxi but the brakes. There is a max temperature at w/c a takeoff cannot be performed till the brakes cool down. So, slower taxis = less braking = less brake temp...and vice versa
I wasn't the one who said gears overheat :) hehe
hybridace101 March 1st, 2010, 11:34 AM I can't believe I will receive a rare treat tomorrow. The 77W will make an appearance at PR311, a flight reserved for the widebody Airbus aircrafts.
xzibit31 March 1st, 2010, 12:02 PM Its not the gears that overheat during fast taxi but the brakes. There is a max temperature at w/c a takeoff cannot be performed till the brakes cool down. So, slower taxis = less braking = less brake temp...and vice versa
sorry, what i meant was the brakes and not the gears....:) hehehehe
Ph Man March 1st, 2010, 12:08 PM I can't believe I will receive a rare treat tomorrow. The 77W will make an appearance at PR311, a flight reserved for the widebody Airbus aircrafts.
Lucky you! It's usually an A330. Never before was a 77W used for PR311. My PR300 last sunday was a B744 (originally published as 77W), then my return flight on Saturday via PR307 will be an A330 (also originally published as 77W)
I might not be able to get that new 77W experience after all, unless I fly to Aus or Japan. :(
hybridace101 March 1st, 2010, 12:44 PM My first clue was that the travel agents that accompanied us said it would be a 3-4-3 config since I requested for an aisle seat but it ended in C instead of B. I never thought it would be a 744 since PR311 doesn't fly the jumbo jet.
Also, I saw PR301 use an A343, another rarity. That was today as I saw it from the cable car.
Who has read my blog?
Kintoy March 1st, 2010, 03:52 PM I'll be flying AirAsia (SG-KL) later this month, baka may gustong magpabili ng mga models:
Aircraft Model A330 (Scale 1:200) MYR 99
http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab335/kin_toy/AAX-Aircraft-A330-L_big.jpg
AT&T Williams Aircraft Model A320 (1:100) MYR 139
http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab335/kin_toy/ATT-Williams-A320_big.jpg
eto website ng store nila: http://www.redmegastore.com/webshaper/store/viewCat.asp?catID=3
just PM me, probably you can give me the money thru PayPal or daan na lang malapit sa office. I'm leaving for SG March 31, I'll be back to Manila April 5
romantic_guy08 March 1st, 2010, 04:45 PM Quick Question:
Anybody know what happened in CEB today? seems all flights were delayed. This afternoon, both 5J and 2P CEB-ILO flights have been delayed by 4-hours or so. Anyone know if it also affected flights to MNL?
pthfndr19 March 1st, 2010, 09:20 PM Quick Question:
Anybody know what happened in CEB today? seems all flights were delayed. This afternoon, both 5J and 2P CEB-ILO flights have been delayed by 4-hours or so. Anyone know if it also affected flights to MNL?
^^ hmmm. 2 hrs delayed din ang flight ng officemate ko knina from Bacolod to Manila..kaya late nakapasok hehe.
lovely_aiko March 2nd, 2010, 03:50 AM This is not the first time that Cebu Pacific is experiencing system wide operations problem re delayed flgiths as much as 4-5 hours. It has happened in the past and have cause the airline a lot of negative publicity, not to mention lost of profits.
How long will the Cebu Pacific customers take these constant operations problem at Cebu Pacific? Will they continue to fly with an airline that is associated with delays - technical or otherwise, perceived poor customer service that is Cebu Pacific or will they at some time fly another airline and get their money's value , never mind if it would cost them a tad more to fly vis a vis CEB's bagsak fares.
For Cebu Pacific to grow as a reliable airline, they need to find a permanent not just a cosmetic quick fix with whatever is bugging their operations right now. Forget about expanding further and boasting of 15 new aircrafts to be added in the next five years. What use would that be if people get sick and become tired flying an airline that is inconsistent and unreliable?
romantic_guy08 March 2nd, 2010, 04:05 AM By the way, I was referring to the Mactan-Cebu Int'l Airport. :D
alcogoodwin March 2nd, 2010, 04:12 AM Guys,
Is there anywhere on the internet that I can find the local laws regarding photographing planes at the airport from a PUBLIC place?
Found a awesome spot on a public road at the end of the runway. Got some beautiful shots of then taxiing and taking off, even some decent landing ones.
Had about an hour before the security guards got the guts up to harrass me.
Funnily enough, we had another hour of debate about the legalities of it all. During which we kept photographing without them trying to stop us.
At one stage, Padpao security autometon, Michael Salaumber admited they were ABOVE THE LAW.
What???? Does he really believe this? Do all security guards have this belief?
Anyway I would like to know the rules governing photography here.
Sky Harbor March 2nd, 2010, 04:53 AM ^^ As far as I know, there are no laws prohibiting photography on the tarmac. I was able to take pictures of the tarmac at the Domestic Terminal without being harassed. Same inside NAIA-2 and NAIA-3. I should be able to try NAIA-1 later this month when I leave for Singapore.
anonapinoy March 2nd, 2010, 05:26 AM This is not the first time that Cebu Pacific is experiencing system wide operations problem re delayed flgiths as much as 4-5 hours. It has happened in the past and have cause the airline a lot of negative publicity, not to mention lost of profits.
How long will the Cebu Pacific customers take these constant operations problem at Cebu Pacific? Will they continue to fly with an airline that is associated with delays - technical or otherwise, perceived poor customer service that is Cebu Pacific or will they at some time fly another airline and get their money's value , never mind if it would cost them a tad more to fly vis a vis CEB's bagsak fares.
For Cebu Pacific to grow as a reliable airline, they need to find a permanent not just a cosmetic quick fix with whatever is bugging their operations right now. Forget about expanding further and boasting of 15 new aircrafts to be added in the next five years. What use would that be if people get sick and become tired flying an airline that is inconsistent and unreliable?
Cebu Pacific is not the only airline that encounters delays. An isolated 4 - 5 hour delay is of course magnified to the point that it seems to speak of the entire operations of Cebu Pacific (much like a black dot on a white wall renders the wall dirty). Cebu Pacific achieved an on-time-performance of 90% in the last few months. That is still reliable to me.
While it is true that some delays are caused by inefficient operational procedures, there are some delays that are beyond the control of the company. As to what caused the 4 - 5 hour delay recently, no one knows at least in this forum.
You have to understand the business model that Cebu Pacific is adapting. It is trying to give every Filipino access to a luxury that once upon a time, only a few can afford. But by doing so, it has sacrificed some aspects in this kind of travel.
True, customer service is a top priority in any business. And I would agree with you that Cebu Pacific needs to shape up in terms of dealing with customers. As to whether or not this will cause its downfall, only market demands will tell. Adding 15 more aircraft does not necessarily mean improvement in its customer service, but it does mean more access to travel for their target market.
In any business, you get what you pay for. You can decide to travel with PAL and pay more, thus you get more. You decide to travel with CEB for less, expect to get less. If people get sick and tired of its inefficiencies, market demands will dictate its fate. But for Cebu Pacific to be able to purchase more planes to continue its service, whether efficient or inefficient, speaks volume of the kind of demand that it is getting.
It is also my hope that Cebu Pacific improves many of its services. But if there's one kind of service they are doing very well, it is that which is the bloodline of their operations: offering every Filipino the chance to travel the skies. Exciting, isn't it?
hybridace101 March 2nd, 2010, 07:16 PM I just came from PR311. Here is the surprise, the A330 was reinstated as the aircraft to be used that time. I wasn't too aware that the seats on the left side on Y are grouped as A-C for the window and aisle seats respectively. I thought the aisle seat corresponded to B. A trip report on PR311 should come your way in the next couple of hours.
hybridace101 March 2nd, 2010, 07:21 PM No, you don't get it. PAL, or any other legacy carrier for that matter, can charge even for the oxygen you breathe on board but it will still be a "high-cost" carrier!
And guess what? PR now charges you for calling their reservations to guarantee yourself a bulkhead seat (effective 1st March). It's a good thing PR311 wasn't full and the bulk heads weren't occupied.
hybridace101 March 2nd, 2010, 07:26 PM ^^ The "Airshow" titlecard is not limited to the A340s. I encountered it when I flew RP-C3335 from MNL to HKG two months ago.
It was also used on F-OHZO on my flight a couple of hours ago (PR311). More details in the trip report.
Ph Man March 2nd, 2010, 08:02 PM And guess what? PR now charges you for calling their reservations to guarantee yourself a bulkhead seat (effective 1st March). It's a good thing PR311 wasn't full and the bulk heads weren't occupied.
Sounds like a backward progress for PAL. It should introduce online-checkin system instead, so people won't need to call for seat reservations.
alcogoodwin March 3rd, 2010, 12:38 AM ^^ As far as I know, there are no laws prohibiting photography on the tarmac. I was able to take pictures of the tarmac at the Domestic Terminal without being harassed. Same inside NAIA-2 and NAIA-3. I should be able to try NAIA-1 later this month when I leave for Singapore.
One security guard watched us for an hour before him and two friends approached.
I asked for documentation saying I can't photograph from a public street. He told me there is none.
So we kept taking photos while he pratled on with some bollocks about the law.
hybridace101 March 3rd, 2010, 02:33 AM Sounds like a backward progress for PAL. It should introduce online-checkin system instead, so people won't need to call for seat reservations.
You mean a seating system for passengers who booked online to tell reservations their preferred seat at the time they book their flight?
hybridace101 March 3rd, 2010, 04:30 AM Some pics from PR311 (aircraft is F-OHZO):
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4041/4402239581_9e7eec9ebe.jpg (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4041/4402239581_9e7eec9ebe.jpg)
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4064/4402238779_b5814ec04b.jpg (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4064/4402238779_b5814ec04b.jpg)
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4063/4402235083_60fa9b7998.jpg (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4063/4402235083_60fa9b7998.jpg)
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4067/4403005106_f6fdee78aa.jpg (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4067/4403005106_f6fdee78aa.jpg)
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4065/4402237349_2ba4524b6f.jpg (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4065/4402237349_2ba4524b6f.jpg)
xXx carlos xXx March 3rd, 2010, 08:02 AM tanong lang po.. san ba yung magandang aviation school sa manila?
hakz2007 March 3rd, 2010, 09:35 AM Airports mull policy on LCC ‘forfeit’ funds (http://businessmirror.com.ph/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=22512:airports-mull-policy-on-lcc-forfeit-funds&catid=33:economy&Itemid=60)
THE Asean Airport Authority (AAA) agreed on a policy of requiring low-cost carriers (LCCs) to return a portion of the ticket price forfeited by an LCC airline from “no-show” passengers” or those who cancel their trips.
Manila International Airport Authority (MIAA) general manager Alfonso Cusi said that in the Philippines, the only LCC now is Cebu Pacific Airlines (CEB) and the authority still has to find out what policy on “no shows” the airline follows.
The eight members of the AAA—the Philippines, Brunei, Indonesia, Laos, Singapore, Thailand, Vietnam and Malaysia—concluded on Friday their four-day meeting in Manila. They are preparing to draft a passenger service charge refund policy on forfeited tickets and afterward present a position paper to their respective airline operators councils in their countries. They appointed Malaysia to take the lead in this regard.
Cusi said they thus do not know yet how much of the price of forfeited tickets they will want to be refunded, and whether refunds should go to the airport authority or the government.
Candice Iyog, CEB vice president for marketing, said, “We forfeit because at that point we are unable to sell the seat anymore, and for an LCC where fares are much lower than competitors, we need to be able to [better] manage the revenue for each and every seat.”
Iyog said this allows CEB to maintain their low fares. She noted that they have frequently offered slashed ticket prices for their “Fun Tours,” including the “one-peso” ticket offer to local and regional destinations.
At the same meeting, the participants also discussed how to bring down the cost of operations of airlines to help them cope with the world financial crisis. “We recognized efforts of airlines to bring down airport fees like landing fees, take off and parking fees.”
Cusi added the MIAA granted a 10-percent reduction in aeronautical fees up to December last year then extended it this year. “Other countries did the same thing and this greatly benefited the airlines.”
He said terrorism was also on the agenda. “Of course, security matters have a lot of developments, such as how a terrorist attack is being conducted, and we have to catch up with the developments; AAA agreed to tackle it as a body and Thailand’s task is to gather all information to be shared by the members.”
The body has decided to create a home web site for the AAA and designated the Philippines to do the initial work on it.
The group also formally recognized the achievement of Indonesia, cited in the December 2009 Forbes Travelers issue as the 2nd Most “On-Time” performance airport for its Soekarno Hatta International Airport.
The AAA delegates also recognized the changes the Philippines have made to its airport terminals, and they also recognized the MIAA’s being an ISO-certificated airport for passengers handling.
mambo March 3rd, 2010, 10:59 AM ^^dapat lang kasi if you cancel your trip well in advance kahit na non refundabel na yong ticket mo they should give at least a portion of the cost of that ticket kasi im sure airlines will still be able to sell those seats to other passengers at tapos yong cancelled ticket eh sa kanila maputa yong revenue lahat hindi naman ata tama yon...sa no show pax pwede pa kung di na talaga nila i refund kasi mahirap na mabenta yong seat on the date of the flight
Ph Man March 3rd, 2010, 06:23 PM You mean a seating system for passengers who booked online to tell reservations their preferred seat at the time they book their flight?
Err, yeah. Realized you're referring to bulkhead seats. You can actually get bulkhead seats before if you tell customer service way ahead of flight date.
Does PR also charge now for the regular seat reservations?
hybridace101 March 3rd, 2010, 06:52 PM Here is my return trip TR (the full report with pics can be found by clicking here (http://mytripreports.wordpress.com/2010/03/03/another-330-hkg-mnl-2-mar/)):
Another 330: HKG-MNL (2 Mar)
This is the 2nd part of a trip to HKG I took commencing on 26 February.
On Monday, I checked online my itinerary for PR311 on virtuallythere.com. Oddly enough, it said that a 77W will be utilized. It is odd because such aircraft is used for PR300/301 and PR306/307. It is widebody Airbus aircraft that hosts PR310/311. So in some form, I was excited.
Flight Number: PR311
Registration: F-OHZO
Aircraft: Airbus A330-300
Gate: 16
Flying time: 2hrs05min (actual flying time was 1hr35min)
Scheduled Dept Time: 21.45
Scheduled Arrival Time: 23.50
Kowloon Airport Express Station
We took the airport express train going to HKG and checked-in at Kowloon station. An interesting thing was that we were going home with my dad but he was taking CX (he was booked on a separate flight and came to HKG ahead of me and my mum for a different business trip). His check-in was straightforward but me and my mum’s weren’t. She was originally on a “buy one take one” C ticket where under normal circumstances the revenue passenger and “free” passenger must check-in and fly together. However special arrangements were made to lift this restriction. The check-in staff had to call to verify. Also, I tried requesting for a bulkhead seat but unlike in prior arrangements, wanting one will now cost HKD160 (approximately SGD32-33). We were able to get our boarding passes though. Just to let you know, PR’s check-in counter at the Kowloon Station was shared with the likes of EK, Hong Kong Airlines and Hong Kong Express. Me and my parents got on the train to the airport and we parted ways at the airport station.
Hong Kong International Airport
My dad exited towards terminal 1 (for CX) while my mum and I went to terminal 2 (for PR). She did some shopping while there. I also wanted to see the exhibits on the upper floor but we started to realize we were pressed for time. That meant we needed to proceed to the departure hall by going to the basement of T2 and clearing passport control and security checks there. The good thing about T2 is that passport control isn’t as congested at T1. I feel that HKG’s passport control clearance is notorious for being congested. I’ve seen passport control at SIN and it doesn’t even come close. Hence when my dad suggested that we may have used T1 because check-in was done, I told him that it was to our advantage to go to T2 because the queue wasn’t that long there. Off we went to the automated people mover that will take us to T1.
My mum was on her way to the lounge where she deposited her stuff. I decided to take 50 mins to have dinner at Popeye’s and take more photos. Like most establishments at a typical airport, Popeyes appeared to be overpriced with a 2-piece chicken meal more than HKD50 (around SGD10) but I had a good meal because I know the meals at Y won’t be that filling.
I had 10-15 minutes to take as much pictures as I can.
I managed to bump into the SQ lounge (but not enter it). Hopefully I will muster enough money to make my next trip MNL-SIN on SQ. Fares are relatively low there for the time being.
I realized that I was nearly 5 minutes late from the time I had to meet with my mum back near the gate. She was probably going to SMS or call me on my hand phone but I switched it off in preparation for the flight. So I just proceeded to the gates. Fortunately my mum found me and we boarded together even if my row wasn’t called.
The Flight Proper
To my surprise, PR311 would utilize an A330. I wonder how that would happen given that my seat ended in C, something I thought meant would result in a 3-seat configuration. I found out later that the seats on the left side facing front were booked as A-C instead of A-B. It reverted once again to what was originally scheduled rather than the 77W mentioned in my itinerary when I checked online. I would have taken pictures of the aircraft as seen from the gate but we were pressed for time.
Having an A330 meant no individual IFE in Y, all the more no AVOD. This was the first time since 2007 I rode on Y class on the aircraft where the last 2 times I rode on this aircraft was I booked on C.
There were 2 pet peeves that I initially found: a) the grey plate just below the window seat was punctured and b) the blue rectangular plate just between the seats came-off. It became evident that F-OHZO, as well as the A330 fleet was coming of age. Another weird thing is that unlike other A330s, the airshow wasn’t turned-on during the entire flight.
Here is some good news: unlike PR300, PR311 wasn’t full. In fact, nobody was seated next to me. Moreso, the bulkhead rows weren’t occupied. It was quite unusual for a HKG-MNL flight to be relatively light, at least in Y. Maybe that’s why the 77W was switched back to an A330. We were waiting 20-30 minutes since I boarded to commence our flight. When they made an announcement, they indicated that there were a few minutes left before departure and a handful of passengers were waiting to board and the cargo doors still needed to be closed. While waiting, I got to view SQ and BA aircraft from my window.
When it came to the IFE, it was also showing its age. The pictures weren’t that clear (as seen during the safety video), except for the live map. The tapes used or the equipment that played them needed replacement.
Seven minutes passed since take-off and the seatbelt sign was switched-off. I briefly moved to the bulkhead seats, at no charge of course. I did have some brief conversations with the flight attendants about the 77W and other PR-related stuff. They were nice enough to have such a chat.
Dinner was served shortly afterwards. Like the outbound flight, the meals were quite simple: chicken with rice and a brownie from Bizu. I finished my meal quickly.
Except for picture taking, there wasn’t that much to do. I headed back to my original seat after meal time. There was some clear air turbulence hence we couldn’t leave our seat for a few minutes. Seat belt sign was turned-off again for 5 minutes before being switched-on to indicate initial approach.
We landed in MNL relatively on time. When the plane was at a full stop, I headed to the C cabin only to be stopped briefly by an FA but I was let through when they found out my mum was seated there. We deplaned but not before I took one last photo of the C cabin.
PR311 was fairly uneventful. The Airbus A330/A340 family which had been my favourite part of PR’s fleet was certainly showing its age. If they are going to want to sustain customers, they should refurbish at least some of them one at a time.
Blackraven March 3rd, 2010, 09:03 PM Sino expert sa PAL dito?
Kelan matatapos (full completion) yung paglagay ng TV sa bawat upuan? Tnx:)
mambo March 4th, 2010, 02:20 AM ^^kung sino man ang gumawa ng research nyan i want him fired:bash:
Sky Harbor March 4th, 2010, 02:25 AM ^^ The 747 refurbishment program is done. The A340 program has reportedly been put on hold.
michael_ray March 4th, 2010, 02:37 AM I had a bad experience with CEBU PACIFIC last February 14. I was scheduled to fly for Cebu from CGY. My flight's ETD was 2:20 PM. I arrived at the airport at 1:30 and reached the check-in counter at 1:39. And I was surpised that the ground staff just put a mark in my ticket and said, "I'm sorry sir, your ticket is considered flown." So I asked what they meant by that even though I already had the feeling that I won't be able to fly. They said, "Sir it's Cebu Pacific's new business policy that passengers must check-in at least 45 mins before departure. Failure to do so would mean your seat will be given to another passenger. It's actually there in your ticket sir." My bad, I didn't bother to read my ticket especially their policies enumerated in small fonts. For a frequent flyer like me, I am just too sick and tired to do that.
The last time I flew with 5J was June 2009 (CGY-MNL-CGY, MNL-HKG-MNL) checked-in 30 mins before my departure and had no problem then. My sister's husband took 5J for Manila last January and checked-in 20 mins before departure and he was able to fly. So I thought that it's just okay to check in 20-30 mins before departure especially that I was on a GO-LITE travel.
Okay, I was late but did they bother to know why? I was supposed to go at the airport at 12:30, planned to take my lunch at the airport had it not of the problem that I encountered with my on-line booking with 5J. I was confident that I didn't have to go through printing my ticket. All I needed was the confirmation number. I went to their website and typed the confirmation number that they sent through my e-mail just to make sure. Unfortunately, to my surprise there was no match found. I was kinda bothered so I opted to go to my sister's house just to print my ticket as my proof that I had purchased it online.
And here's what I observed... Their ATR aircraft bound for Cebu was about to go when I arrived at the airport, with the final call for all passengers at 1:45PM. Aren't they too early for a 2:20PM flight schedule?
But still, my ticket was flown. I wasn't able to take that flight. I cancelled my trip. And they got my money. Now, it's time everyone flies with Cebu Pacific... Yeah right. :)
hybridace101 March 4th, 2010, 03:14 AM Err, yeah. Realized you're referring to bulkhead seats. You can actually get bulkhead seats before if you tell customer service way ahead of flight date.
Does PR also charge now for the regular seat reservations?
Not really, the other seats can be reserved with no extra cost as far as I know. Moreover, the bulkhead seat reservation for C remains free.
It was interesting because in my chat with an FA on board my flight, she didn't even know they started charging the bulkhead seats.
hybridace101 March 4th, 2010, 03:41 AM Who has uploaded to A.net, myaviation.net or jetphotos.net? Which of these sites are the most lenient in terms of photography standards?
xzibit31 March 4th, 2010, 06:08 AM I had a bad experience with CEBU PACIFIC last February 14. I was scheduled to fly for Cebu from CGY. My flight's ETD was 2:20 PM. I arrived at the airport at 1:30 and reached the check-in counter at 1:39. And I was surpised that the ground staff just put a mark in my ticket and said, "I'm sorry sir, your ticket is considered flown." So I asked what they meant by that even though I already had the feeling that I won't be able to fly. They said, "Sir it's Cebu Pacific's new business policy that passengers must check-in at least 45 mins before departure. Failure to do so would mean your seat will be given to another passenger. It's actually there in your ticket sir." My bad, I didn't bother to read my ticket especially their policies enumerated in small fonts. For a frequent flyer like me, I am just too sick and tired to do that.
The last time I flew with 5J was June 2009 (CGY-MNL-CGY, MNL-HKG-MNL) checked-in 30 mins before my departure and had no problem then. My sister's husband took 5J for Manila last January and checked-in 20 mins before departure and he was able to fly. So I thought that it's just okay to check in 20-30 mins before departure especially that I was on a GO-LITE travel.
Okay, I was late but did they bother to know why? I was supposed to go at the airport at 12:30, planned to take my lunch at the airport had it not of the problem that I encountered with my on-line booking with 5J. I was confident that I didn't have to go through printing my ticket. All I needed was the confirmation number. I went to their website and typed the confirmation number that they sent through my e-mail just to make sure. Unfortunately, to my surprise there was no match found. I was kinda bothered so I opted to go to my sister's house just to print my ticket as my proof that I had purchased it online.
And here's what I observed... Their ATR aircraft bound for Cebu was about to go when I arrived at the airport, with the final call for all passengers at 1:45PM. Aren't they too early for a 2:20PM flight schedule?
But still, my ticket was flown. I wasn't able to take that flight. I cancelled my trip. And they got my money. Now, it's time everyone flies with Cebu Pacific... Yeah right. :)
another victim of cebu pathetic....
if i were you, fly pal....most often, their fares are cheaper than cebu pathetic...at least in my experience....
vicven2 March 4th, 2010, 06:13 AM I notice that ATR flights of cebu pac tend to fly early.
My last flight to CGY, we were called to board at 12:30 on a 1:10 flight.
OTOH, still left on time, as a couple checked pax did not board. :bash:
And here's what I observed... Their ATR aircraft bound for Cebu was about to go when I arrived at the airport, with the final call for all passengers at 1:45PM. Aren't they too early for a 2:20PM flight schedule?
pthfndr19 March 4th, 2010, 06:43 AM Magkakaroon na pala ng flight between CEBU - LAOAG based sa bagong route map ng Cebu Pacific.. at mukhang magkakaroon din CEBU - TAGBILARAN. hehe:D
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c124/alfinsky/2010-03-04_123735.jpg
pthfndr19 March 4th, 2010, 06:47 AM Dito ako natawa.... hindi man lang inayos ang pag-research ng Cebu Pacific for Catarman, Northern Samar..yung nilagay nilang picture ay wala nyan sa amin kundi sa Catarman, Camiguin naman yang underwater Cemetery...:bash::bash::bash:
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c124/alfinsky/2010-03-04_123758.jpg
boom_box March 4th, 2010, 10:20 AM Dito ako natawa.... hindi man lang inayos ang pag-research ng Cebu Pacific for Catarman, Northern Samar..yung nilagay nilang picture ay wala nyan sa amin kundi sa Catarman, Camiguin naman yang underwater Cemetery...:bash::bash::bash:
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c124/alfinsky/2010-03-04_123758.jpg
LOL... halatang nagmamadali pag post.. :bash: :lol:
michael_ray March 4th, 2010, 01:57 PM another victim of cebu pathetic....
if i were you, fly pal....most often, their fares are cheaper than cebu pathetic...at least in my experience....
Yeah, PAL has always been my choice. I was just tempted to fly with 5J with their low fares. But I swear, my Cebu trip this coming March 26 will be my last flight with 5J. I already purchased this ticket last January so I just have to avail it. My mom is a PAL frequent flier, tried 5J once and had a traumatic experience with them so she didn't bother to fly with 'em again. According to her, both the ground staffs and the FAs of Cebu Pacific need to shape up their services, WALANG BREEDING. :)
michael_ray March 4th, 2010, 02:01 PM Dito ako natawa.... hindi man lang inayos ang pag-research ng Cebu Pacific for Catarman, Northern Samar..yung nilagay nilang picture ay wala nyan sa amin kundi sa Catarman, Camiguin naman yang underwater Cemetery...:bash::bash::bash:
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c124/alfinsky/2010-03-04_123758.jpg
Destination Information Box... Yeah right. I just learned today that the famous sunken cemetery is now in Samar. Thank you Cebu Pacific with this very reliable information. :lol:
Mithril Cloud March 4th, 2010, 05:27 PM Who has uploaded to A.net, myaviation.net or jetphotos.net? Which of these sites are the most lenient in terms of photography standards?
myaviation.net is the most lenient out of the three you gave.
hybridace101 March 4th, 2010, 05:34 PM ^^
So you mean that's the most friendly to amateur photographers?
Mithril Cloud March 4th, 2010, 05:37 PM Yes. It was created to cater photos which do not meet the strict standards of A.net.
OceanBreezeInn March 4th, 2010, 06:27 PM Caticlan clearance found defective; work stopped
THE start of the P2.5-billion expansion of the Caticlan airport in Aklan is not likely in June because of the defective clearance issued to it four years ago, which must be changed and agreed to by all stakeholders, an official said Tuesday.
Caticlan is the nearest airport to the world-famous Boracay resort, but its developer was holding an old Environment Clearance Certificate issued by Environment Secretary Angelo Reyes in 2006, and it was for a simple upgrade and not for a more complex development, Aklan Gov. Carlito Marquez said.
He said many sectors were resisting the transformation of the domestic airport to an international one to accommodate bigger aircraft, and for environmental concerns.
The developer, Caticlan International Airport Development Corp., wants to remove the hill on the airport’s eastern side and to extend the runway to the sea.
The Transport Department is all for it, but the Environment Department’s Mines and Geosciences Bureau objects because the clearance issued the developer does not say anything about leveling any hill or extending any runway.
“The effects of these two environmental issues are precisely why [a clearance] is issued in the first place,” said the bureau’s Ric Javelosa.
He said he had warned new Environment Secretary Horacio Ramos that the airport was not fit for upgrading because of the possibility of tsunamis and the ground-shaking caused by bigger aircraft.
A source said the governor and other stakeholders—including the Boracay Foundation Inc.—were not opposed to the project in its entirety, but they were against leveling the hill and transforming the airport into an international facility.
The airport’s development is a priority project of the Arroyo administration, but although groundbreaking has been held twice, “the project is not likely to start soon and may not even be approved because many sectors are against it, ’’ the source said.
Source: manilastandardtoday (http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/insideNews.htm?f=2010/march/3/news4.isx&d=2010/march/3)
Sky Harbor March 4th, 2010, 06:57 PM Yes. It was created to cater photos which do not meet the strict standards of A.net.
I wonder if you've made enough money from your A.Net pics to be able to afford a regular membership. :lol:
Mithril Cloud March 4th, 2010, 07:22 PM You earn money from that? :lol:
Sky Harbor March 4th, 2010, 07:28 PM ^^ Yes, through selling your pics as posters at the A.Net store.
Ph Man March 4th, 2010, 09:01 PM ^^ :lol: I didn't know that. How much is annual A.net membership fee? And what are the photo requirements?
Not really, the other seats can be reserved with no extra cost as far as I know. Moreover, the bulkhead seat reservation for C remains free.
It was interesting because in my chat with an FA on board my flight, she didn't even know they started charging the bulkhead seats.
I wouldn't be surprised if the FAs are not yet aware that they now have two 77Ws. I asked FA on the PR300 flight re availability of Herpa die cast models of 77W. I was told shes not really certain if they already have it onboard.
I had a bad experience with CEBU PACIFIC last February 14. ...
I think PAL Express also does early boarding for its turboprops. Thats basing on my December trip with them. I arrived at the gate 10 minutes to boarding. There were only like a dozen of passengers waiting. I found out later that everybody else have boarded and have comfortably put on their seatbelts already. :lol:
On one ILO-MNL flight, I was forced to upgrade to business after arriving late at the airport - approx 20 mins to boarding (it was raining heavily and I didnt know airport was too far away from the city). I was told that my slot was sold to chance passengers. :nuts:
By the way, I'm not really a frequent offender. :)
Here is my return trip TR (the full report with pics can be found by clicking here (http://mytripreports.wordpress.com/2010/03/03/another-330-hkg-mnl-2-mar/)):
Another 330: HKG-MNL (2 Mar)
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It's a good read. Nice photos! :okay:
T2 has a different feel sans the conspicuous ceiling patterns that is of T1. Were you able to check out the Aviation Museum?
Does PAL have city check-in at all stops of Airport Express? I'm just wondering how baggages are brought to the airport. Probably via the train also.
Edit: I just realized city check in is only for Airport Express passengers. So its probably the train that brings all the stuff to the airport.
PrettyUgly March 4th, 2010, 09:34 PM Here is my return trip TR (the full report with pics can be found by clicking here (http://mytripreports.wordpress.com/2010/03/03/another-330-hkg-mnl-2-mar/)):
Another 330: HKG-MNL (2 Mar)
Dinner was served shortly afterwards. Like the outbound flight, the meals were quite simple: chicken with rice and a brownie from Bizu. I finished my meal quickly.
:'( PAL has more decent options in meals than CX, CX provides a merienda while PAL provides dinner talaga :P. CX = Ham + Bread meal na yan daw, PR = Chicken + Rice woo :D :banana:
PrettyUgly March 4th, 2010, 09:46 PM I'll prepare a full trip report on this later when I have more time. Anyway, more pics:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2773/4389480600_112a85f892_b.jpg
(http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2773/4389480600_112a85f892_b.jpg)
Y-class
:D looks like as if they are SIK na SIK parang like the sardinas XD
:/ why do their seats look so low lol
Sky Harbor March 5th, 2010, 01:48 AM ^^ :lol: I didn't know that. How much is annual A.net membership fee? And what are the photo requirements?
It depends on the type of membership. A regular membership is $25. A First Class membership is $5 a month, $55 a year or $999.
The photo requirements are quite strict, but I forgot where on A.Net they're posted.
Mithril Cloud March 5th, 2010, 02:22 AM ^^ :lol: I didn't know that. How much is annual A.net membership fee? And what are the photo requirements?
Here's their rejection guide: http://www.airliners.net/faq/rejection_reasons.php
hybridace101 March 5th, 2010, 02:25 AM ^^
For myaviation.net, how long does it take before your photo appears? I can't seem to find mine, even in the queue of a.net. And in myaviation.net, I can't register unless there is 1 photo in the database.
sloanesquare March 5th, 2010, 03:09 AM WHEN I READ THIS LAST YEAR I THOUGHT THATS WHATS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY....TOO MUCH EDUCATION AND ABSOLUTELY NO COMMON SENSE:
Manila, March 17 (DPA) A Philippine man nearly caused a disaster in an eastern city when he used an airport runway to teach his girlfriend to drive just as a passenger plane was about to land, an official said Tuesday.
A Cebu Pacific Air flight carrying 80 passengers was descending at the weekend at the airport in Legazpi City, 360 km south-east of Manila, when the pilot quickly pulled up after he saw a passenger van moving fast on the runway.
Legazpi City Mayor Noel Rosal told the Philippine Star newspaper that the van was driven by the son of the city aviation chief. He was teaching his girlfriend how to drive.
“That van could have turned us into a fireball had I not successfully aborted landing,” Rosal quoted the French pilot as telling aviation security officials.
UNTIL I READ THIS YESTERDAY.....TO THINK THAT THERE'S PROBABLY ONLY ABOUT 40 SECONDS SPACE OR ERROR MARGIN BETWEEN EVERY DEPARTURE /LANDING
Air traffic control child’s play at JFK
Washington DC, Mar 5, 2010
Ever spent hours in a plane circling an airport and waiting to land? Ever thought to yourself the air traffic controllers must be a bunch of unqualified amateurs? Well if you were in one of the several planes that circled New York’s John F Kennedy International Airport last month you may have been more accurate in your assumption than you’d imagined.
This week recordings from the airport’s air traffic control tower emerged, which revealed that on two occasions two children, a seven-year old boy and an even younger girl according to reports, directed planes at one of the busiest airports in the world. Excerpts from the recording:
Girl: Comair 7-4-4 clear for takeoff!
Girl: JetBlue 3-8, clear for take off! (a few moments later – here an adult voice could be heard prompting her in the background)
JetBlue pilot: Departure JetBlue 3-8, nicely done, see you later.
On the previous day a young boy was similarly engaged in managing air traffic at JFK:
Boy: A-Mex 4-0-3, contact departure. Adios!
Pilot Contact departure Aeromexico 4-0-3. Adios!
Boy (to another JetBlue pilot): Contact departure. Adios, amigos!
Pilot: Adios, amigos! Over to departure JetBlue 1-9-6.
Controller’s voice: This is what you get, guys, when the kid is out of school…
Pilots (chuckling): Wish I could bring my kid to work. Awesome job!
According to reports an air traffic controller permitted his children to enter the highly secure ATC tower area and communicate directly with pilots.
The Federal Aviation Administration, which has taken the incident very seriously, said that it had placed two employees at JFK Airport Tower are on administrative leave “pending the outcome of an official FAA investigation into the incident which is already underway”.
“This lapse in judgment not only violated FAA’s own policies, but common sense standards for professional conduct. These kinds of distractions are totally unacceptable,” said FAA Administrator Randy Babbitt. “We have an incredible team of professionals who safely control our nation’s skies every single day. This kind of behaviour does not reflect the true calibre of our workforce”, he said.
hybridace101 March 5th, 2010, 03:25 AM In fairness, the kids directed the pilots in such a way that no accidents occurred. haha!
Let's just hope their words were scripted.
litigs March 5th, 2010, 03:32 AM In fairness, the kids directed the pilots in such a way that no accidents occurred. haha!
Let's just hope their words were scripted.
I think the controlers dictated to the kids what they were suppose to advice to pilots.maybe the information was still relayed right but timing can be an issue if the line up to approach is tight
mwg12a March 5th, 2010, 03:53 AM Personally, I don't think it should be a real great deal. Warning should be made but I don't think it should be taken way deeper than that. For one, I'm pretty sure since the children entered the facility with an adult, identitified as not a security risk because of the obvious and had passed through security lines. The kids were given visitor's pass and the employee which is the ATC served as an escort to a visitor. That doesn't constitute to breach of safety measures. The child was directed by a professional so, it's not like the child was left there to confuse the pilots. It would kinda render as a "throw off" on the pilot's part because it's something out of the ordinary but I don't think it would cause an accident. I don't know, that's just my two cents on these.
weewit March 5th, 2010, 04:09 AM well the control tower is not a classroom. whether it is dictated by adult or not, kids in there are disaster waiting to happen. so which one is worst? kids controlling the traffic in a big airport? or a son of an aviation chief teaching his girlfriend to drive in the runway? heheh
hybridace101 March 5th, 2010, 04:17 AM ^^
Howabout the girlfriend taking directions from the child? :lol:
mwg12a March 5th, 2010, 04:21 AM ^^^^ the teenage boy who crossed the runway is worst definitely. But k7 y/o kids whose voice were used to command pretty much but the adult and the professional is present just behind the child? What can possibly happen? It's not like a total stranger who minor was the one who commanded the pilots with no total supervision. I'm sure the pilot knew someone is there commanding a child. No kids at 7 years of age can find the right word to command over a speaker. They have no clue with aviation command so, definitely, if the command was appropriate and clear, there is an adult there. I'm not saying there should be no warning given to the parent, but, I don't think it should cost their jobs because there is no breech in security and it was just a harmless humor they were adding. Pilots and ATC communicate and often times aside from the business communications, both the pilots and the ATC adds a sidetalk.
pi_malejana March 5th, 2010, 04:46 AM it happened in JFK, ayus lang sana kung regional airport na hindi naman busy...
ianers_ianized March 5th, 2010, 05:28 AM ang gulo din ng PAL... yung J ng A330 may new product pero yung Y, pinalitan lang ng upholstery to align with their coastal theme... hindi pa nilagyan ng IFEs
Some pics from PR311 (aircraft is F-OHZO):
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4041/4402239581_9e7eec9ebe.jpg (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4041/4402239581_9e7eec9ebe.jpg)
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4064/4402238779_b5814ec04b.jpg (http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4064/4402238779_b5814ec04b.jpg)
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hybridace101 March 5th, 2010, 05:32 AM ^^
Their C product on the A330 is actually the same as prior to the changing of the seat covers to match the A319s and A320s.
mwg12a March 5th, 2010, 05:33 AM ^^^^ Talaga?? PALpak talaga ang PAL, paano sila magiging competitive niyan?
hybridace101 March 5th, 2010, 05:40 AM ^^
That's why I really wish they can take a gamble by refurbishing their A330/A343 fleet. It is lacking tight on cash sure but it is to improve service and attract new passengers or sustain old ones. They won't be able to use their 77Ws anyway to North America plus there is a 20% chance the 744 used to SFO or LAX is without IFE. They should one-by-one send their A343s to the factory effective off-peak season for reconfiguration.
Sky Harbor March 5th, 2010, 05:50 AM ^^ RP-C8168 is the dedicated 747 for RUH, so I doubt it will see much trans-Pacific service.
hybridace101 March 5th, 2010, 05:58 AM ^^
The service to RUH only flies 4 times a week. And because PR is losing money on some aircraft, it is because they stay on the ground for too long. It is a wise business decision they keep it up in the air as long as possible. Where can we find that source? Also, PR104/105 occasionally sees some A343s.
Blackraven March 5th, 2010, 06:47 AM ^^
That's why I really wish they can take a gamble by refurbishing their A330/A343 fleet. It is lacking tight on cash sure but it is to improve service and attract new passengers or sustain old ones. They won't be able to use their 77Ws anyway to North America plus there is a 20% chance the 744 used to SFO or LAX is without IFE. They should one-by-one send their A343s to the factory effective off-peak season for reconfiguration.
Oo nga noh.
Sana ALL PAL aircraft would have TV in every seat (hindi lang 747 or 777 lang)
If they do that, then I would have no more reason to fly on a lower class airliner that doesn't have TVs (i.e. such as Cebu Pacific.......though OTOH, their airport terminal is better).
mikem488 March 5th, 2010, 06:56 AM They should send their A343 for refurbish in the business class only. That what the other airlines that fly across the Pacific did. They upgraded the business class seat to lie flat. Didn't touch the economy seats like PAL did on the 747. The profits are in the business sections.
hybridace101 March 5th, 2010, 07:23 AM It's the other way around, the 744s don't get the refurbishment but the single-decker ones likely had a full reconfiguration. For instance, LH and KL have performed a full reconfiguration on their A340s and MD-11s respectively while leaving their 744s in Y unchanged.
F-OHPJ surely needs a reconfiguration in C.
hybridace101 March 5th, 2010, 07:42 AM Isn't HKG 712 miles from MNL? I checked my balance and it is as if I only got 50% of the miles on both legs. Does the E fare only give you that much?
If so, the only reasons to travel on a Y fare are the following:
- you are a frequent last-minute passenger who prefers not to reserve flights on the day itself
- you change your mind a lot
- you want the full mileage credit
In MNL and PR at least, do same day/last-minute ticket buyers still exist?
hybridace101 March 5th, 2010, 08:19 AM :'( PAL has more decent options in meals than CX, CX provides a merienda while PAL provides dinner talaga :P. CX = Ham + Bread meal na yan daw, PR = Chicken + Rice woo :D :banana:
If I'm not mistaken, CX won't even give you a choice of meals in Y. That was my experience when I last took it 10 years ago. You're just stuck with the lone meal they have for Y passengers.
It's a good read. Nice photos! :okay:
Thanks! I would like to post this on A.net. Problem is I'm don't a have big fat wallet unlike those other members who show-off their F and C travelling experience. A.net is really a rich person's club. I mean, who is a member there that earns a measly amount to tell their in-flight experiences, much less fly on F and C?
It honestly felt awkward to take all those photos. Everyone must have been thinking I was strange. The fact is I'm not the only one who does this. My mum was even apprehensive and the fact that I had seatmates at PR300 (let alone be in the middle seat) didn't make it any better. But I think it was worth it to go through that seeing that there are some who find these pics good use.
boom_box March 5th, 2010, 10:18 AM ^^ nasan na yung TR mo sa A.net..? hehe
dexter06 March 5th, 2010, 01:39 PM Yeah, PAL has always been my choice. I was just tempted to fly with 5J with their low fares. But I swear, my Cebu trip this coming March 26 will be my last flight with 5J. I already purchased this ticket last January so I just have to avail it. My mom is a PAL frequent flier, tried 5J once and had a traumatic experience with them so she didn't bother to fly with 'em again. According to her, both the ground staffs and the FAs of Cebu Pacific need to shape up their services, WALANG BREEDING. :)
That caught my eye since i had a similar experience with them last December. The last time i took Cebu Pac was early 2008. I tried them again last December. The ground staff and FAs 2 years ago were more polite than those i met last December. A bit tactless. Management should conduct a survey from the passengers so they can check on their people.
GreenPeas March 5th, 2010, 05:15 PM Is this real? cebu pac flies direct cebu-laoag?
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boom_box March 5th, 2010, 05:23 PM That caught my eye since i had a similar experience with them last December. The last time i took Cebu Pac was early 2008. I tried them again last December. The ground staff and FAs 2 years ago were more polite than those i met last December. A bit tactless. Management should conduct a survey from the passengers so they can check on their people.
Simple lang reason nila... "Low cost lang kasi kami... " :lol: :ohno:
baka mas bagay sa kanila ang tag na ito instead sa "Its time everyone flies"
Cebu Pacific "Low cost carrier lang kami..." :nuts:
hybridace101 March 5th, 2010, 10:15 PM PR shouldn't rent-out its upcoming 77Ws to a 3rd party. If in case it can't get Cat1 back, it should keep in mind that it has upto 3 flights in use at YVR that don't continue to LAS. While it still has those rights, why not occasionally use the 77Ws on PR116/117? I just don't get it that AC isn't keen on opening flights to MNL at all but wants to keep foreign players out of its turf. The A343 can then be somehow freed-up to be used either for MEL-BSB or sent to the factory for reconfiguration, especially the C class of F-OHPJ. In fairness though, the former F seats of the A343s appear to be full-flat.
@boom_box You can access my trip report by clicking here (http://mytripreports.wordpress.com).
hecky12 March 6th, 2010, 12:28 AM would you consider that the best airlines dito sa pinas ay ang PAL? in terms of aircraft..
another one is.. ilang aircraft na ng PAL ang bumagsak compare sa ibang airlines dito sa atin.. just wanna know the counts..
hybridace101 March 6th, 2010, 12:51 AM The thing about PR is that it is the only airline here in the Philippines that is considered a legacy carrier. Hence it is difficult to compare it with Zest, 5J, etc.
But from what I'm hearing, PR appears to have reasonable service from my experience. The quality of the equipment though used needs improvement. In terms of fleet, it's quite hard to tell but I can say parts of its aircraft can break down.
Sky Harbor March 6th, 2010, 03:36 AM Isn't HKG 712 miles from MNL? I checked my balance and it is as if I only got 50% of the miles on both legs. Does the E fare only give you that much?
Yes. Fare classes W and U still don't give you miles, while fare classes T and E give you 50% credit (previously full credit). All other fare classes give you full credit.
Noize_320 March 6th, 2010, 06:21 AM would you consider that the best airlines dito sa pinas ay ang PAL? in terms of aircraft..
another one is.. ilang aircraft na ng PAL ang bumagsak compare sa ibang airlines dito sa atin.. just wanna know the counts..
marami na...pero less fatal lahat...:cheers:
Mithril Cloud March 6th, 2010, 07:23 AM Unfair comparison, since PAL is the oldest airline around.
Noize_320 March 6th, 2010, 07:42 AM ^^ yeh... in my opinion however, PAL has an outstanding safety record...:banana:
centrair March 6th, 2010, 07:53 AM PAL is a legacy, its pilots are one of the best in the world a selection of the finest from its own PAL Aviation School and Philippine Air Force, also with its ground staff, maintenance and cabin crew, considered to be the oldest in Asia in which different airlines in Asia copied its system of being an airline, kumbaga papunta palang mga iba, siya pabalik na...
NTprime March 6th, 2010, 10:57 AM Yes. Fare classes W and U still don't give you miles, while fare classes T and E give you 50% credit (previously full credit). All other fare classes give you full credit.
I'm not sure if this was posted in any of the previous threads (sorry, no time to backread all) but you can actually simulate the actual booking class using the online booking facility without having to reach the last step of the process.
On the third step (Summary, after Search and Selection), click on the Fare Rules link on the top right section of the page (below "Print the Page"). The same Fare Rules link is found at the bottom of the page under the Agreement Section. You will see under City Pair (Fare Basis) each sector (e.g. MNLHKG and HKGMNL) and in section 1.1 (Title/Application) something like ECONOMY CLASS RESTRICTED FARE FROM MANILA TO HONG KONG. FARE BASIS: K8WEBHK which identifies the fare basis code.
At the bottom (it will say something like MISCELLANEOUS PROVISIONS 8 . 1 MILEAGE ACCRUAL APPLIES. FARE IS NOT COMMISSIONABLE or 9 . 1 50% MILEAGE ACCRUAL APPLIES. FARE IS NOT COMMISSIONABLE. ). Note that there is a space between "9.1" and "50%":)
In this example we have K class, which earns 100% of miles. If the price is cheaper, then there is a chance it can be T or E class which earn 50% mileage credit (W and U are sold by travel agents).
HTH.
Sky Harbor March 6th, 2010, 11:23 AM ^^ Fare classes W and U are not only sold by travel agents, but are also available online. They are the cheapest regular economy fares generated by the PAL booking engine.
jeffphilippines March 6th, 2010, 12:42 PM CEBU PACIFIC FLIGHTS
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hybridace101 March 6th, 2010, 03:37 PM I have noticed something about the colour scheme of certain boarding passes. CX, SQ and EK have a common colour scheme. For instance, F is red, C is blue and Y is green. Are they just coincidence or do these colours actually symbolise something? I do understand though that red in F could coincide with the red carpet treatment. PR uses blue for C and used to use red for F when F existed there.
[dx] March 6th, 2010, 04:26 PM Vintage PAL
Philippnes Airlines HS 748 Prop Jet -at Zamboanga in the Philippines. 1980
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PAL flight Cebu to Tacloban. Taken on Kodacolor film on 25 June 1984.
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PAL 727 and BAC 1-11, 1980
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Source: lindsaybridge (http://www.flickr.com/photos/intervene/)
hybridace101 March 6th, 2010, 04:29 PM ^^
How would the 77Ws look in that vintage livery kaya?
Noize_320 March 6th, 2010, 05:41 PM ^^ parang stretched DC-10 na walang #2 engine (tail engine) :D
wow, looking at those vintage pics made me realize how much i've been missing back in those days :D:D
romantic_guy08 March 6th, 2010, 07:54 PM ^^ Fare classes W and U are not only sold by travel agents, but are also available online. They are the cheapest regular economy fares generated by the PAL booking engine.
You can actually earn 25% of the flight miles on W and I think also U. Booked on during the 777 and 888 promo of PR last January and earned 70 miles on my ILO - MNL trip and 75 miles on MNL - BCD. I also remembered last year that there were fare class that earned 1 mile. Although it (1 mile) did not count for the flight miles, they counted it for the Elite-tier qualification.
Ph Man March 7th, 2010, 12:19 AM Here's their rejection guide: http://www.airliners.net/faq/rejection_reasons.php
Man, that's a pretty exhaustive photo guideline. It even defies some well-established photography guidelines - like the rule of thirds.
On most cases though, points raised conforms with photography rules - e.g., levelling horizons.
Even waving pilots and posing FAs are not allowed. :lol:
It depends on the type of membership. A regular membership is $25. A First Class membership is $5 a month, $55 a year or $999.
The photo requirements are quite strict, but I forgot where on A.Net they're posted.
Thanks for the info. So membership is also categorized as is done in planes?
If I'm not mistaken, CX won't even give you a choice of meals in Y. That was my experience when I last took it 10 years ago. You're just stuck with the lone meal they have for Y passengers.
Thanks! I would like to post this on A.net. Problem is I'm don't a have big fat wallet unlike those other members who show-off their F and C travelling experience. A.net is really a rich person's club. I mean, who is a member there that earns a measly amount to tell their in-flight experiences, much less fly on F and C?
It honestly felt awkward to take all those photos. Everyone must have been thinking I was strange. The fact is I'm not the only one who does this. My mum was even apprehensive and the fact that I had seatmates at PR300 (let alone be in the middle seat) didn't make it any better. But I think it was worth it to go through that seeing that there are some who find these pics good use.
They'll just think it's your first time. :) And of course SSCers are ones of those who appreciate the efforts. :okay:
hybridace101 March 7th, 2010, 02:08 AM You can actually earn 25% of the flight miles on W and I think also U. Booked on during the 777 and 888 promo of PR last January and earned 70 miles on my ILO - MNL trip and 75 miles on MNL - BCD. I also remembered last year that there were fare class that earned 1 mile. Although it (1 mile) did not count for the flight miles, they counted it for the Elite-tier qualification.
Howabout PAL Express flights? Will travelling on them qualify you towards elite miles (in terms of segments)?
So know the bottomline seems to be, one of the reasons why you would want to purchase a Y ticket (as opposed to an E, U or W): accruing full mileage credit is a matter of life and death.
alcogoodwin March 7th, 2010, 02:34 AM 1-2-2010
Flight on RP C-7475
Sydney to Manila
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Thank you for our ride on a Jumbo Mr Tan - along with your endless supplies of cheap priced bottles of the worlds greatest beverage.
Sou-jiro March 7th, 2010, 03:05 AM It honestly felt awkward to take all those photos. Everyone must have been thinking I was strange. The fact is I'm not the only one who does this. My mum was even apprehensive and the fact that I had seatmates at PR300 (let alone be in the middle seat) didn't make it any better. But I think it was worth it to go through that seeing that there are some who find these pics good use.
Don't worry what other people think. i myself get quite curios and I remember filming inside PR210 take off and i wasn't even in the window seat lol:D
one weekend i was taking photos in YSSY and someone asked me why take photos of Planes (with a strange look) and then i simply answered why take photos of Flowers and bees ..that pretty much shut him up :)
the fact is many people do this as a hobby in YSSY authorities know there is a large avaiation enthusiast thats why there is a tourbus that can take you inside the tarmac on the weekends.(i've done this myself twice) YSSY authorities are also looking to provide restrictiied access pass to certain member as part of the airport security watch. a program between the Federal Police and Airport Authorities.
DX :
love those vintage shots
Alcogoodwin :
keep those shots coming isnt 773 being used in Sydney yet?..when i have time one of this weekend im planing to film it and upload it my YT account. :)
Sou-jiro March 7th, 2010, 03:29 AM Man, that's a pretty exhaustive photo guideline. It even defies some well-established photography guidelines - like the rule of thirds.
On most cases though, points raised conforms with photography rules - e.g., levelling horizons.
Even waving pilots and posing FAs are not allowed. :lol:
Thanks for the info. So membership is also categorized as is done in planes?
They'll just think it's your first time. :) And of course SSCers are ones of those who appreciate the efforts. :okay:
Yup strict nga sila bro, but i think jetphotos is good alternative pero iba talaga ang A.net :D
alcogoodwin March 7th, 2010, 03:37 AM Alcogoodwin :
keep those shots coming isnt 773 being used in Sydney yet?..when i have time one of this weekend im planing to film it and upload it my YT account. :)
Not yet my friend, but should be during the coming week as my friend has booked on it this weekend. Suppose I better start checking daily.
I am hoping to get out for the first arrival in Sydney.
Taking my son down the runway on Saturday, so fingers crossed it will be then :-)
absinthe_888 March 7th, 2010, 05:04 AM Cusi in, Ciron out at CAAP (http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?articleId=555608&publicationSubCategoryId=65)
By Rudy Santos (The Philippine Star) Updated March 07, 2010 12:00 AM
MANILA, Philippines - Manila International Airport Authority (MIAA) general manager Alfonso Cusi will soon leave his post to head the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines (CAAP).
Cusi, who withdrew his candidacy for a congressional seat in the 2nd district of Oriental Mindoro last Thursday, confirmed the appointment in a telephone interview yesterday.
He will replace CAAP director general Ruben Ciron after a transition period.
Cusi said for the remainder of his term in MIAA, he will focus on getting an ISO 900 certification for Terminals 2 and 3, which will mean that the terminals have met international standards for service, safety, and security.
As the new CAAP chief, Cusi will face the task of restoring the country’s civil aviation rating to Category 1 after the US Federal Aviation Authority (US-FAA) downgraded it to Category 2 in 2007 because of safety issues and the lack of technical personnel.
“Of course, there is an urgent need to address the downgrade,” Cusi said.
The civil aviation downgrade prevents the Philippines from taking advantage of routes to rebounding global economies, whose citizens are traveling more.
To restore the country’s aviation rating to Category 1, the CAAP needs to hire more technical experts. Its employees are also demanding higher salaries.
On Thursday, Ciron announced that the CAAP is now hiring check-pilots, aircraft inspectors and other technical personnel after the Civil Service Commission approved the qualification standards for the applicants.
Ciron said he is preparing to brief the incoming aviation chief on the status of the restoration of the civil aviation rating.
Ciron is scheduled to leave for Brussels next week to present to European aviation bodies the response of the CAAP to the October 2009 audit conducted by the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO).
Cusi said he will announce who his successor will be in a few days. Airport sources said MIAA executive assistant Robert Uy and Terminal 3 manager Melvin Matibag are at the top of the list of officers likely to replace Cusi.
Sky Harbor March 7th, 2010, 05:29 AM ^^ That's very good news. :okay:
hybridace101 March 7th, 2010, 06:07 AM ^^
When is Cusi's effectivity at his new office?
naughtycalboy March 7th, 2010, 10:50 AM today at NAIA
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aboard PR 432 Boeing 777, from Manila to Narita
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naughtycalboy March 7th, 2010, 10:51 AM T2
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777
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T1
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ianers_ianized March 7th, 2010, 11:06 AM ^^
Their C product on the A330 is actually the same as prior to the changing of the seat covers to match the A319s and A320s.
^^^^ Talaga?? PALpak talaga ang PAL, paano sila magiging competitive niyan?
So pinalitan lang yung upholstery ng J class? So old-type pa din yung PTV nila sa J Class like yung folded TV ba yun?
^^ RP-C8168 is the dedicated 747 for RUH, so I doubt it will see much trans-Pacific service.
This is the one with no refurbished product of all B744 right?
^^
That's why I really wish they can take a gamble by refurbishing their A330/A343 fleet. It is lacking tight on cash sure but it is to improve service and attract new passengers or sustain old ones. They won't be able to use their 77Ws anyway to North America plus there is a 20% chance the 744 used to SFO or LAX is without IFE. They should one-by-one send their A343s to the factory effective off-peak season for reconfiguration.
I agree, with it but it seems PR is not interested... the installment of PTV pa lang will likely to increase their pax revenue... Ithink PAL is looking forward for the replacement of these aircrafts
Pero diba initially A340 is included in the refurbishment program... I think they lack funds especially that they did it in the middle of economic crisis.
hybridace101 March 7th, 2010, 12:30 PM ^^
That's exactly the conundrum that they faced with the 77W. It's useless trying to look forward with new aircrafts if they won't be able to use them to the US because of Cat2. Hence, they have to refurbish their A343s at once. Also, if Cat2 is lifted, the 744s are likely to be the first to go. They have at least a 5-year shelf-life.
naruto-kun March 7th, 2010, 03:21 PM In my own optimistic thinking, NAIA is quite nice actually. Though i have been there for only four times, the structure is quite good and nice. I hope they repaint, at least, the exterior and make the interior clean and simple.
sandwindstars March 7th, 2010, 03:47 PM In my own optimistic thinking, NAIA is quite nice actually. Though i have been there for only four times, the structure is quite good and nice. I hope they repaint, at least, the exterior and make the interior clean and simple.
T1 is architecturally nice but yes, good cleaning, updating the interior and technology, simple clean lines will go a long way. Plus the outside area.
mikem488 March 7th, 2010, 10:03 PM I think that the 747 to the United States were refurbished so that the planes could last till PAL buys Airbus 380. With the additional seats they could eliminate the extra plane they fly on Wed, Friday and Sunday in five years. Plus I would guess that their would be major fuel saving with the new engines. With the world's growing need for oil, prices could easily double in the next five years which would put tremendous pressure on more efficient airplanes
hybridace101 March 8th, 2010, 03:01 AM ^^
Again, it is Cat2 standing in the way whose lifting is increasingly unlikely to happen.
pthfndr19 March 8th, 2010, 06:00 AM http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c124/alfinsky/2010-03-08_120310.jpg
net find
Englehart March 8th, 2010, 08:40 AM 1-2-2010
Flight on RP C-7475
Sydney to Manila
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is that A380 on the farthest right?
kiretoce March 8th, 2010, 08:43 AM ^^ Yup, that's SQ's A380 in service on the SYD-SIN route.
Sky Harbor March 8th, 2010, 08:43 AM ^^ It's actually SYD-SIN-LHR. ;)
hakz2007 March 8th, 2010, 08:58 AM Teodoro eyes privatization of airport services (http://www.pna.gov.ph/index.php?idn=13&sid=&nid=13&rid=262825)
MANILA, March 7 (PNA) -- Public-private sector partnership is the key to modernizing the Philippines’ major airports while addressing the critical concerns that have prevented the country from meeting the standards set by the international aviation community, said Lakas-Kampi-CMD standard-bearer Gilberto "Gibo" Teodoro Jr.
"We have an airport that’s been built four, five years ago that remains controversial and to make matters worse, the Philippines has been downgraded to Category 2, which prevents our airlines from increasing frequencies and even prevents Philippine Airlines (PAL) from using their new aircraft," he said.
"How do you expect to achieve growth in tourism if the airport and the category under which the Philippines operates is not up to global standards?" he stressed.
A licensed pilot, Gibo lamented that the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines (CAAP) Law that was passed in August 2008, and which converted the Air Transportation Office (ATO) into an international aviation authority, had failed to retain its earnings which, he said, "could have been used to motivate its personnel and for infrastructure-building efforts that would have put the Philippines in the international aviation map."
The Philippines was downgraded by the Federal Aviation Authority (FAA) to Category 2 in December 2007 after the government had failed to enact measures addressing the structural inadequacies of ATO.
Thus, ATO was replaced by CAAP by virtue of Republic Act No. 9497.
CAAP was created to provide regulatory and technical aviation services as it restructures itself to meet the world standards set by the FAA and the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO).
Last year, the government had allocated some P53 million in support of CAAP’s restructuring and modernization efforts so that it could address major concerns, particularly the upgrade to FAA Category 1.
Teodoro, however, noted that "the big problem as of now of the Manila International Airport is not the terminal: it only has a single runway."
Oftentimes, he said, with the increased domestic frequencies, increased flights, passengers have to wait 45 minutes, sometimes on the ground, at peak hours... or have to hold for about 25 minutes before the plane could land.
Teodoro said he wondered why despite the new powers of the CAAP, there’s still a shortfall in earnings.
"I think the best solution is to privatize to a certain extent the operations, particularly of the airport... outsource it," he said.
"Recent history has shown that to a certain extent, public-private sector partnership in key activities, where compliance to international standards and to maintain competitiveness, works a lot better than just simply the government doing it," he added.
On the possibility that the FAA may be doing a "squeeze play" on PAL, Teodoro said he was not aware of any motivations, but noted that "definitely, to have a Class 1 category, certain standards must be met."
"Like, for example, the end of the taxi way going to Runway 6... Baku-bako palagi (it's rough)," he said. "And you cannot stop operations of NAIA to pave it properly. So nagiging patsi-patsi. At the end of the runway, you’ll see the yellow line, umeekis na ngayon. Because we cannot afford to stop operations in NAIA. Clark (Diosdado Macapagal International Airport) does not have the capacity yet, in terms of terminal and personnel to answer for that."
Gibo said the privatization option has to be explored more aggressively as the current situation affects the country’s tourism industry, while the flag carrier PAL continues to lose a major chunk of its revenues from its US operations as a result of the downgrade.
"I think privatization will work better in ensuring that our system and standards are upgraded, and we get a better rating for the CAAP. A lot of people depend on this," he said. (PNA)
Sky Harbor March 8th, 2010, 09:03 AM ^^ I don't think Gibo is solving the problem by privatizing the airport authorities and making the airports privately-run. The issue here is the regulatory disconnects that plague the CAAP.
alcogoodwin March 8th, 2010, 10:14 AM is that A380 on the farthest right?
Others have answered your original question.
In addition, they sit in that spot next to General Holmes Drive all day, so you can get very close for a looksie.
Photos are esay from the international terminal with a tele lens..
alcogoodwin March 8th, 2010, 10:17 AM Alcogoodwin :
keep those shots coming isnt 773 being used in Sydney yet?..when i have time one of this weekend im planing to film it and upload it my YT account. :)
Tonights Sydney landing appears to be a A330 again.
Wednesday seems the same.
I am guessing the Saturday arrival looks good as the first.
hybridace101 March 8th, 2010, 10:25 AM ^^ I don't think Gibo is solving the problem by privatizing the airport authorities and making the airports privately-run. The issue here is the regulatory disconnects that plague the CAAP.
Plus don't forget that the FAA deals only with government authorities. There is also the problem he hasn't addressed: litigation on T3 because of government intervention in what was supposed to be a purely business move.
Tonights Sydney landing appears to be a A330 again.
Wednesday seems the same.
I am guessing the Saturday arrival looks good as the first.
That will be the plan. Until then, last chance for HKG to see regular 77W service. What days will it be scheduled to make rare appearances on PR300/301?
alcogoodwin March 8th, 2010, 10:29 AM Believed to be the dates of changeover.
15-3
Last PAL A330 arrival in Sydney.
Arr- 10.45
Dep- 12.15
16-3
First 777 departs Manila at 21.00
17-3
777 touches down in Sydney at 10.20.
Be runwayside with a camera to record history.
Brad
hakz2007 March 8th, 2010, 11:05 AM Low P888 CEB anniversary seat sale for China, Taipei and Mindanao routes (http://www.pna.gov.ph/index.php?idn=3&sid=&nid=3&rid=263047)
MANILA, March 8 (PNA) -- Cebu Pacific (CEB) celebrates its 14th anniversary with seat sale for as low as P888 on select routes on March 9 and 10, 2010.
Manila-Taipei seats are available for only P888, while Manila-Guangzhou seats are up for grabs for only P988.
Those going to Shanghai can also avail of P1,888 seats. Both ‘Go Lite’ seats are for travel from May 1 to July 31, 2010.
Passengers traveling from Manila to General Santos, Zamboanga, Dipolog, Cotabato, Davao, Butuan, Ozamiz, Cagayan de Oro and Pagadian (starting June 9) can also avail of the ‘Go Lite’ seat sale fare of P999, for travel June 1 to August 31, 2010.
Those with check-in luggage will just add P100 upon booking.
“Since Cebu Pacific began operations in March 1996, the airline has flown over 40 million passengers. We are proud to have brought trademark low fares and constant seat sales, e-ticketing and online travel products to every Juan,” said CEB vice president for Marketing and Distribution Candice Iyog.
“This seat sale highlights our international routes to China and Taipei, and our domestic routes to Mindanao. We encourage our guests to book early for their travels to avail of the lowest fares,” she said.
Passengers can call (02) 7020-888 or (032) 230-8888 or visit www.cebupacificair.com for their booking needs.
Those without credit cards can still book online and pay via CEB partner banks such as Metrobank, Robinsons Savings Bank, Banco de Oro, Bancnet and Megalink.
High quality low-cost carrier CEB will soon fly to 33 domestic destinations, with the addition of the Cebu- Pagadian route starting April 27.
It also flies to 14 international destinations from Manila, Clark and Cebu, using the youngest aircraft fleet in the country. (PNA)
Kintoy March 8th, 2010, 11:18 AM this morning
http://i877.photobucket.com/albums/ab335/kin_toy/P3084414_1.jpg
Sou-jiro March 8th, 2010, 12:28 PM Tonights Sydney landing appears to be a A330 again.
Wednesday seems the same.
I am guessing the Saturday arrival looks good as the first.
Thanks for the Heads up Brad.
I'll have to try and set up a time by end of March but I"m more ikely going be at the observation deck? not at the beach.
btw what SLR are you using? better yet what lens?
alcogoodwin March 8th, 2010, 12:56 PM Thanks for the Heads up Brad.
I'll have to try and set up a time by end of March but I"m more ikely going be at the observation deck? not at the beach.
btw what SLR are you using? better yet what lens?
I have yet to get to that observation deck. Would go to the airport regularly if it wasn't for Maquarie Bank's horrific parking charges.
After retiring all the film cameras (I still had 5 operational EOS cameras), I replaced them with a EOS 1000D and a back up Fuji.
The EOS uses the old Canon lenses from the print cameras, these being (roughly from memory) 70mm-300mm, 50-90mm and a couple of others similar to this last one.
Gradually I suspect the EOS D camera numbers to grow in the fleet :)
raffy_east March 8th, 2010, 01:49 PM Cebu Pacific to raise P12B by going public
Gokongwei-owned budget carrier Cebu Pacific will go public this year to raise P12 billion, mostly from big foreign investors, for its expansion.
The Securities and Exchange Commission published a notice in a newspaper on Monday informing the public about the securities registration of Cebu Air, Inc., the operator of the budget airline.
The airline will seek to list about 125.25 million new common shares with a par value of a peso each via an initial public offering (IPO). At the maximum offer price of P95 set by the company, the new shares are valued at close to P12 billion.
Cebu Pacific is also selling 110.31 million shares at the same price, plus 35.33 million shares owned by Cebu Pacific parent JG Summit Holdings, Inc.
About 18.39 million more shares will also be listed under the company’s employee stock option plan, at a 25-percent discount.
The company originally planned to go public in 2008, but jittery markets forced it to defer the listing.
Officials on Monday noted that while the airline’s shares would be listed on the Philippine Stock Exchange, the firm would offer the shares primarily to foreign institutional investors.
"There is not enough capital available in the country for an offer of this size," JG Summit Vice-President for Finance Bach Johann Sebastian said in an interview.
He said the figures in the SEC notice were only indicative. "We just had to put a nominal value in our request, but that does not mean that we are targeting to raise that amount," he pointed out.
Sebastian declined to say when the company would sell the shares to the public.
He said the proceeds of the share sale would be used for the company’s continued expansion. "We continue to purchase new aircraft and we continue to grow."
Cebu Pacific swung to P1.78 billion in net profits in the third quarter of last year amid a global economic slump, from a net loss of P1.87 billion a year earlier. — GMANews.TV
http://www.gmanews.tv/story/185612/cebu-pacific-to-raise-p12b-by-going-public
GreenPeas March 8th, 2010, 03:19 PM ^ kelan ba mag-acquire ng wide-body jets ang Cebu Pac?
hybridace101 March 8th, 2010, 04:13 PM ^^
I believe they abandoned that project. They were reportedly interested in converting some of their A320s into A330s but decided to stick with the former. Moreover, with Cat2 still slapped on us and their wishes to enter the US market, prospects for widebodies look bleak.
Sou-jiro March 9th, 2010, 03:15 AM I have yet to get to that observation deck. Would go to the airport regularly if it wasn't for Maquarie Bank's horrific parking charges.
After retiring all the film cameras (I still had 5 operational EOS cameras), I replaced them with a EOS 1000D and a back up Fuji.
The EOS uses the old Canon lenses from the print cameras, these being (roughly from memory) 70mm-300mm, 50-90mm and a couple of others similar to this last one.
Gradually I suspect the EOS D camera numbers to grow in the fleet :)
lol i know what you mean, i use to work for Macquarie Group.
i thought of getting EOS1000D of maybe Olympus E520 or E620. As the have build in Stabilazation.
Happy spotting
Rod.
alcogoodwin March 9th, 2010, 03:57 AM lol i know what you mean, i use to work for Macquarie Group.
i thought of getting EOS1000D of maybe Olympus E520 or E620. As the have build in Stabilazation.
Happy spotting
Rod.
Hi mate,
I have wished to try some other brands, but the lens I have and the fact Canon made their digitals to automatically take the lens of the film type was my selling point.
Perhaps, one day, f tey all break down together I shall change for a try :-)
Happy spotting to you to, hopefully one day we will catch up by the runway for a chat.
Brad
boom_box March 9th, 2010, 10:25 AM Its really ironic despite our country being downgrade to CAT 2 of FAA while some of their ATC personnel in JFK airport has some rude behavior..
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boom_box March 9th, 2010, 11:00 AM New airline to fly unserved routes (http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cebu/new-airline-fly-unserved-routes)
A NEW airline has been formed to establish “air bridges” to serve the countryside. The Provincial Air Express will operate small airplanes to serve the so-called “missionary routes,” which have remained underdeveloped up to the present time.
The Philippines has 85 national airports and several private airports. However, only about 35 currently receive regular air services, which are limited to international and trunk-line airports. Some secondary and all feeder airports have no regular service.
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The airline has selected the work-proven, cost-efficient Cessna 208 Grand Caravan, which is currently flown by 300 commercial operators in 70 countries. With a pilot and first officer, the rugged single-engine turboprop can carry up to 14 passengers or 1,500 kilograms freight and take off and land in all of the country’s airports.
By operating in a network using the Philippine international gateway airports as hubs, the Grand Caravan is an excellent complement to the larger carriers as feeder for passenger and cargo services. From the hubs, all Philippine airports will be accessible within an hour’s flight.
With the services, Manila passengers going to and from Guiuan, Borongan, Maasin, Hilongos, Ubay, Camiguin, Siquijor, and other Visayas destinations can save time and money by connecting through Cebu. This situation is replicated with other destinations around Laoag, Clark DMIA, Manila, Davao, and Zamboanga International Airports.
For cargo, the airline will provide 24/7 services to bridge farm and marine products to their urban consumers and also provide rapid and safe deliveries for manufactured consumer products to their provincial users.
Provincial Express will initially serve routes with adequate demand for capacity while developing other sectors through non-scheduled charter operations.
To help foster the growth of Philippine tourism, the airline will also introduce the Cessna 208 float-plane version Amphibian Caravan for charters and time-sharing arrangements with the island hotel and resort owners. (PR)
ianers_ianized March 9th, 2010, 01:06 PM In my own optimistic thinking, NAIA is quite nice actually. Though i have been there for only four times, the structure is quite good and nice. I hope they repaint, at least, the exterior and make the interior clean and simple.
I agree with it... as long as it has a good functioning CR I don't care the others... it matters to me most as a traveler.
I think that the 747 to the United States were refurbished so that the planes could last till PAL buys Airbus 380. With the additional seats they could eliminate the extra plane they fly on Wed, Friday and Sunday in five years. Plus I would guess that their would be major fuel saving with the new engines. With the world's growing need for oil, prices could easily double in the next five years which would put tremendous pressure on more efficient airplanes
PAL buying A380... I doubt... with the increasing amount of oil prices...
alcogoodwin March 9th, 2010, 02:07 PM PAL buying A380... I doubt... with the increasing amount of oil prices...
Yeah, I was talking tgo some PAL people in Sydney on the recent trip while photographing our 747.
They were laughing at the stupid purchase of A380s by Singapore Airlines, saying that they were way to much at the wrong time, both fuel costs and economy.
They certainly seemed convinced that PAL would never even entertain the idea.
Shame. I love my 747s, but a PAL A380 would be impressive.
Perhaps make an interesting model :lol:
alcogoodwin March 9th, 2010, 02:09 PM Signature
Boom Box,
Totally irelevant, however I do love the quotes in your signature.
Very good ones indeed.
boom_box March 9th, 2010, 02:51 PM Boom Box,
Totally irelevant, however I do love the quotes in your signature.
Very good ones indeed.
Thanks a lot..
I hope you can vote in our country but that seems to be impossible.. :nuts:
Anyway, But I totally support that tandem this coming election..
Not to mention, they strongly support railroad infrastructure... :cheers:
alcogoodwin March 9th, 2010, 03:06 PM Thanks a lot..
I hope you can vote in our country but that seems to be impossible.. :nuts:
Anyway, But I totally support that tandem this coming election..
Not to mention, they strongly support railroad infrastructure... :cheers:
Sadly no I am unable to vote.
The asawa can, but don't think she plans to.
Wish I could run for president and make some huge changes to my beloved second country to benefit all the people there.
Again, no luck. I wuld be more likely to get an invite into the cab of a PAL 747. Hmmmm dreaming.
boom_box March 9th, 2010, 03:31 PM Flying Cheap.. a very good documentary about the Colgan Air flight 3407 incident, the deep story about Regional Airlines in US and FAA itself..
http://video.pbs.org/video/1412744270
Kintoy March 9th, 2010, 03:47 PM Written by Miguel R. Camus / Reporter (http://businessmirror.com.ph/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=22781:cebu-pacific-allots-p54b-for-2010-capex&catid=24:companies&Itemid=59)
WEDNESDAY, 10 MARCH 2010 20:16
CEBU Air Inc., operator of budget airline Cebu Pacific Air, is planning to spend P5.4 billion this year mainly to finance the acquisition of more aircraft.
In a filing to the corporate regulator, the airline operator said the lion’s share or up to P4.9 billion of the total planned capital budget will go to aircraft and aircraft predelivery payments. The new aircraft will help increase the airliner’s domestic and overseas destinations. The capex budget is 58-higher than last year’s P3.42-billion allocation.
The planned expansion is in line with Cebu Air’s revival of a plan to hold an initial public offering. The company intends to list this year some 125.25 million primary shares at an indicative maximum price of P95, valuing the initial public offering (IPO) at almost P12 billion.
In its prospectus, Cebu Air said around P9.1 billion of the IPO proceeds will be spent on predelivery payments for new planes.
The said IPO is part of a plan to sell 235.6 million shares, including secondary shares, at the same P95 each. A large portion of the shares will be offered to international investors.
JG Summit senior vice president for corporate planning Bach Johann Sebastian said the company is still awaiting regulatory approval and that the proposed share will also depend on market conditions.
JG Summit is the listed holding company of the main businesses of the Gokongwei family which also includes telecommunications, real estate, banking, food manufacturing and petrochemicals.
Cebu Air, like other firms, delayed its plan to hold an IPO in 2008 citing poor market conditions due to the financial crisis.
The company intends to increase its fleet size to 47 planes—from the current 29 aircraft—by 2014.
At present, Cebu Air has firm orders for 15 Airbus A320s, with an option to purchase five more. The company has entered into a lease agreement for two more A320s, and plans to acquire another two.
The company’s current fleet is composed of 11 Airbus A320s, 10 Airbus A310s, eight ATR-72-500s. Both Airbus types are used for both domestic and international routes, while the smaller ATRs are for domestic locations.
These will support the company’s overseas expansion, which in the next two years will include Brunei, Beijing, Denpasar, Fukuoka and Nagoya on top of new domestic locations in Pagadian and Marinduque.
By end-2009, Cebu Air is serving 50 domestic routes and 21 international locations with a total of 1,710 weekly flights.
alcogoodwin March 9th, 2010, 03:52 PM Guys, just a model question.
My Herpa PAL 747 is coded N751PR.
I don't think they carry this code now. Can anyone say what it become, or do they indeed still use this code?
Thanks
Brad
** Actually I think a couple of them utilize old codes.
Sky Harbor March 9th, 2010, 04:39 PM ^^ N751PR is now RP-C7471. And it is the A.Net (and FT) username of an SSCer. :lol:
hybridace101 March 9th, 2010, 05:57 PM The company’s current fleet is composed of 11 Airbus A320s, 10 Airbus A310s...
Are there any widebodies that I haven't seen in a while? :lol:
Bottomline: it's impossible for them to have widebodies. Like other LCCs, it just doesn't seem feasible.
pthfndr19 March 9th, 2010, 07:06 PM YwBl2rZm_DA
oboi March 9th, 2010, 08:13 PM CebuPac in hot water over new flight policy
MANILA, Philippines--Budget carrier Cebu Pacific once again is in the middle of a controversy involving the quality of its services and treatment of passengers.
Last month, a passenger filed a complaint with the Department of Transportation and Communications (DOTC) against Cebu Air Inc. for adopting a policy where late passengers would not be allowed to re-book their tickets.
In his complaint, lawyer Pedro Linsangan related that when he arrived after boarding gates were closed, he was required to purchase new tickets, instead of just having to pay a small fee to get on a later flight.
Linsangan said the airline’s policy was “arbitrary, capricious and confiscatory ... [affecting] thousands of helpless passengers patronizing this airline.”
Linsangan stated in his complaint that last Jan. 9, he was not allowed to board his 3:05 p.m. return flight to Manila from Iloilo via Cebu after he arrived at about 2:20 p.m.
After being barred from boarding, he said he was told by the gate attendant that he could not rebook his ticket for a later flight that same day. He was also told that he had to buy a new ticket for his connecting flight from Cebu to Manila.
Also, Linsangan said, his flight from Cebu to Manila was delayed for nearly two hours.
“Except for an apology, what did passengers get? Nothing,” he said. Under the airlines’ rules, only passengers on flights delayed for more than three hours would be entitled to refunds.
“Cebu Pacific is making millions of pesos just by declaring flights forfeited even if it is just a matter of a few minutes’ delay,” he said.
Linsangan asked the DOTC to mount an investigation and stop the airline from implementing the policy of forfeiting tickets of delayed passengers.
Reacting to the news, Cebu Pacific said that in its statement in November of last year, it announced that any change in flight schedules should be made at least a day before the flight itself.
“Passengers may rebook flights without penalties as long as travel is completed within 30 days. Passengers may also store booking in the Travel Fund, but with a penalty since these disruptions are beyond Cebu Pacific’s control,” the airline stated last November.
Inquirer.net (http://business.inquirer.net/money/topstories/view/20100309-257684/CebuPac-in-hot-water-over-new-flight-policy)
hybridace101 March 10th, 2010, 03:44 AM Are there jet bridges with 3 branches? Meaning 1 branch for each of the F, C and Y passengers to board separately. I know major airports have 2 branches for their jet bridges so that the F/C passengers can be accommodated in 1 branch and Y will board in the other.
Howabout a jet bridge which extends to the back of the wide-body aircraft so Y passengers can board there? Does that exist as well?
MNL's T1 and T3 actually have jetbridges with 2 branches but the F/C and Y passengers board at the same entrance and are only separated mid-way unlike in HKG and SIN.
kiretoce March 10th, 2010, 03:48 AM ^^ You mean like this?
http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200710/r194395_736989.jpg
hybridace101 March 10th, 2010, 04:26 AM Sort of. Except that the 3rd branch can be extended onto the rear and stays on the lower decks? I actually forgot to qualify that I was primarily talking about single-deck aircraft.
kiretoce March 10th, 2010, 04:30 AM ^^ I think there isn't an aerobridge that docks with the rear of the aircraft, because it's impeded by the wings. Now, unless the airplane is parked parallel to the terminal, then it might work. Otherwise, all embarking and disembarking of the aircraft will always be done towards the front.
hybridace101 March 10th, 2010, 04:49 AM The idea behind that is just so that the Y passengers won't have to see or pass through the F and C cabins. It should ease the flow of traffic during boarding and deplaning. Also, those in the front row can board first.
Sky Harbor March 10th, 2010, 04:56 AM ^^ I think there isn't an aerobridge that docks with the rear of the aircraft, because it's impeded by the wings. Now, unless the airplane is parked parallel to the terminal, then it might work. Otherwise, all embarking and disembarking of the aircraft will always be done towards the front.
There is, like the one at CGN (Cologne/Bonn). Look at the top left-hand corner. :D
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/Cologne_Bonn_Airport_Terminal_C5.jpg/800px-Cologne_Bonn_Airport_Terminal_C5.jpg
kiretoce March 10th, 2010, 05:04 AM ^^ Like I said, it's possible if the aircraft is parked parallel to the terminal. But if it's parked perpendicularly, it won't work. And I noticed in that example you cited, there are two separate gates using their respective independent aerobridges for boarding, instead of just one gate with two aerobridges.
hikouki March 10th, 2010, 05:20 AM ^^ I think there isn't an aerobridge that docks with the rear of the aircraft, because it's impeded by the wings. Now, unless the airplane is parked parallel to the terminal, then it might work. Otherwise, all embarking and disembarking of the aircraft will always be done towards the front.
The idea behind that is just so that the Y passengers won't have to see or pass through the F and C cabins. It should ease the flow of traffic during boarding and deplaning. Also, those in the front row can board first.
^^ Like I said, it's possible if the aircraft is parked parallel to the terminal. But if it's parked perpendicularly, it won't work. And I noticed in that example you cited, there are two separate gates using their respective independent aerobridges for boarding, instead of just one gate with two aerobridges.
Nope, it is actually possible! See for yourself!
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/2/1/8/1256812.jpg
I've deplaned on one of these at AMS and it is quite weird as you have to climb up the aerobridge then walk downwards as you bypass the wing area. It is quite efficient in moving people in and out of the plane. But many airport operators dislike it because it entails a lot of investment as the second aerobridge requires a crane to lift it over the wing. A lot of maintenance, too.
You can clearly see the second aerobridge is able to service the 744 in the above photo. I believe it can also service an MD-11. However, notice that it seems that it cannot service the 772 and A332. I read somewhere that the location of the 772 door is problematic for the AMS crane jetways as there is the danger of hitting the wing area.
alcogoodwin March 10th, 2010, 05:23 AM ^^ N751PR is now RP-C7471. And it is the A.Net (and FT) username of an SSCer. :lol:
Bless you my friend, I knew someone here would answer.
Now I can relate more to the model :lol:
hikouki March 10th, 2010, 05:31 AM Here the plane is parked perpendicular to the terminal building:
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/0/4/7/0989740.jpg
Another view:
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/9/4/4/0929449.jpg
Notice that the second jetways cannot be used for the 772 and 333. The 772 door is too close to the wing area and the 333's is too far for the jetway.
hybridace101 March 10th, 2010, 05:40 AM ^^
None of those appear to dock at the very rear of the aircraft. Theoretically, I think it is possible if they know how to get around the wings. But if the aircraft is parallel to the terminal and uses upto 2 gates, where 1 gate area is actually dedicated to Y passengers, I can see it.
ianers_ianized March 10th, 2010, 06:09 AM Yeah, I was talking tgo some PAL people in Sydney on the recent trip while photographing our 747.
They were laughing at the stupid purchase of A380s by Singapore Airlines, saying that they were way to much at the wrong time, both fuel costs and economy.
They certainly seemed convinced that PAL would never even entertain the idea.
Shame. I love my 747s, but a PAL A380 would be impressive.
Perhaps make an interesting model :lol:
Oh I forget with the recession too! I doubt the A380 fleet for PR. SQ is suffering the effects of buying massive A380. Is it true that they are selling some of their B772 to cover up their financial problems?
hybridace101 March 10th, 2010, 06:31 AM ^^
I don't know but I read somewhere that the 744 will only be assigned into 2 routes: SIN-NRT-LAX and SIN-FRA-JFK. That means SQ's 744 days are likely to be numbered.
The A380s in the long run are pretty fuel-efficient compared to the 744s. It's only a matter of time and timing before SQ sees a return on its investment on the A380s. Nobody predicted the financial crisis would come on the heels of SQ receiving the A380s. The problem with their A380s though is it has too many empty F seats and too many C seats which nowadays aren't filled-up well. Decreasing the F seats to 8 and C seats to just a little over 30 to make way for Y could make the A380 more attractive.
hikouki March 10th, 2010, 07:34 AM Oh I forget with the recession too! I doubt the A380 fleet for PR. SQ is suffering the effects of buying massive A380. Is it true that they are selling some of their B772 to cover up their financial problems?
I think quite the opposite is true - the 772s and especially the 744s are overstaying because of the financial crisis.
SQ wants to keep its fleet young and older planes have long been scheduled to go. But one or two of the old 772s have been put back in service instead of being sold. Further, the 773s and the remainder of the 772s are being reconfigured.
Both SQTalkers and Anetters seem to agree that SQ made a wrong decision by ordering a lot of A380s instead of exercising options for 77Ws.
hikouki March 10th, 2010, 07:36 AM ^^
I don't know but I read somewhere that the 744 will only be assigned into 2 routes: SIN-NRT-LAX and SIN-FRA-JFK. That means SQ's 744 days are likely to be numbered.
The A380s in the long run are pretty fuel-efficient compared to the 744s. It's only a matter of time and timing before SQ sees a return on its investment on the A380s. Nobody predicted the financial crisis would come on the heels of SQ receiving the A380s. The problem with their A380s though is it has too many empty F seats and too many C seats which nowadays aren't filled-up well. Decreasing the F seats to 8 and C seats to just a little over 30 to make way for Y could make the A380 more attractive.
The 744's days at SQ were numbered even before the first A380 was put into service. They are overstaying as the A380s currently cannot takeover the two routes. SQ has postponed the retirement of the 744 several times. I think it was originally supposed to retire this March, if not earlier.
hybridace101 March 10th, 2010, 08:20 AM ^^
A travel agent told me a few weeks that SQ has a surplus of aircraft. Hence, would you wonder why they are offering a 4th flight to MNL, as well as lower than usual Y fares?
And why can't the A380s take over these routes? What I noticed that the common thing among these routes is that the end destination is in the US. Does that have anything to do with it (e.g. aircraft/number of seats restriction)?
Having around 8 aircraft for 2 routes, which I presume fly daily doesn't make any sense. Four of them will probably remain idle which won't make any money for SQ. So why not sell 4 of them? Unlike the A380, I can't see any wiggle room for the 744 to be reconfigured, especially F. With the financial crisis and fewer people flying F, having F in single digit seats should make sense, but I don't see how a 744 can reduce the number of F seats in favour of more Y.
Fraulein March 10th, 2010, 10:07 AM Puerto Princesa Airport - Feb 27 & Mar 2, 2010
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Kintoy March 10th, 2010, 02:12 PM http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/8/2010/03/air
The Davis-Monthan Air Force Base is a 2,600 acre sprawl of mummified aircraft. From the ground, the vacuum-sealed planes of "The Boneyard" may look like a scrap heap, but from space, the aircraft form a message to the sky.
io9.com (http://io9.com/5488535/military-airplane-graveyard-resembles-modern-day-nazca-lines)
michael_ray March 10th, 2010, 03:11 PM CebuPac in hot water over new flight policy
MANILA, Philippines--Budget carrier Cebu Pacific once again is in the middle of a controversy involving the quality of its services and treatment of passengers.
Last month, a passenger filed a complaint with the Department of Transportation and Communications (DOTC) against Cebu Air Inc. for adopting a policy where late passengers would not be allowed to re-book their tickets.
In his complaint, lawyer Pedro Linsangan related that when he arrived after boarding gates were closed, he was required to purchase new tickets, instead of just having to pay a small fee to get on a later flight.
Linsangan said the airline’s policy was “arbitrary, capricious and confiscatory ... [affecting] thousands of helpless passengers patronizing this airline.”
Linsangan stated in his complaint that last Jan. 9, he was not allowed to board his 3:05 p.m. return flight to Manila from Iloilo via Cebu after he arrived at about 2:20 p.m.
After being barred from boarding, he said he was told by the gate attendant that he could not rebook his ticket for a later flight that same day. He was also told that he had to buy a new ticket for his connecting flight from Cebu to Manila.
Also, Linsangan said, his flight from Cebu to Manila was delayed for nearly two hours.
“Except for an apology, what did passengers get? Nothing,” he said. Under the airlines’ rules, only passengers on flights delayed for more than three hours would be entitled to refunds.
“Cebu Pacific is making millions of pesos just by declaring flights forfeited even if it is just a matter of a few minutes’ delay,” he said.
Linsangan asked the DOTC to mount an investigation and stop the airline from implementing the policy of forfeiting tickets of delayed passengers.
Reacting to the news, Cebu Pacific said that in its statement in November of last year, it announced that any change in flight schedules should be made at least a day before the flight itself.
“Passengers may rebook flights without penalties as long as travel is completed within 30 days. Passengers may also store booking in the Travel Fund, but with a penalty since these disruptions are beyond Cebu Pacific’s control,” the airline stated last November.
Inquirer.net (http://business.inquirer.net/money/topstories/view/20100309-257684/CebuPac-in-hot-water-over-new-flight-policy)
I am also a victim of this policy and it's now time to cut the crap!
Noize_320 March 10th, 2010, 03:20 PM The Davis-Monthan Air Force Base is a 2,600 acre sprawl of mummified aircraft. From the ground, the vacuum-sealed planes of "The Boneyard" may look like a scrap heap, but from space, the aircraft form a message to the sky.
io9.com (http://io9.com/5488535/military-airplane-graveyard-resembles-modern-day-nazca-lines)
i'm sure the PAF would drool over these... :lol:
boom_box March 10th, 2010, 03:41 PM CebuPac in hot water over new flight policy
MANILA, Philippines--Budget carrier Cebu Pacific once again is in the middle of a controversy involving the quality of its services and treatment of passengers.
Last month, a passenger filed a complaint with the Department of Transportation and Communications (DOTC) against Cebu Air Inc. for adopting a policy where late passengers would not be allowed to re-book their tickets.
In his complaint, lawyer Pedro Linsangan related that when he arrived after boarding gates were closed, he was required to purchase new tickets, instead of just having to pay a small fee to get on a later flight.
Linsangan said the airline’s policy was “arbitrary, capricious and confiscatory ... [affecting] thousands of helpless passengers patronizing this airline.”
Linsangan stated in his complaint that last Jan. 9, he was not allowed to board his 3:05 p.m. return flight to Manila from Iloilo via Cebu after he arrived at about 2:20 p.m.
After being barred from boarding, he said he was told by the gate attendant that he could not rebook his ticket for a later flight that same day. He was also told that he had to buy a new ticket for his connecting flight from Cebu to Manila.
Also, Linsangan said, his flight from Cebu to Manila was delayed for nearly two hours.
“Except for an apology, what did passengers get? Nothing,” he said. Under the airlines’ rules, only passengers on flights delayed for more than three hours would be entitled to refunds.
“Cebu Pacific is making millions of pesos just by declaring flights forfeited even if it is just a matter of a few minutes’ delay,” he said.
Linsangan asked the DOTC to mount an investigation and stop the airline from implementing the policy of forfeiting tickets of delayed passengers.
Reacting to the news, Cebu Pacific said that in its statement in November of last year, it announced that any change in flight schedules should be made at least a day before the flight itself.
“Passengers may rebook flights without penalties as long as travel is completed within 30 days. Passengers may also store booking in the Travel Fund, but with a penalty since these disruptions are beyond Cebu Pacific’s control,” the airline stated last November.
Inquirer.net (http://business.inquirer.net/money/topstories/view/20100309-257684/CebuPac-in-hot-water-over-new-flight-policy)
I was expecting again an excuse like... "Low cost lang kasi kami... Sorry" :nuts: :ohno:
Cebu Pathetic talaga..
Kintoy March 10th, 2010, 03:46 PM i'm sure the PAF would drool over these... :lol:
maybe 20 years from now the US will pull from F-14s there and give it as military aid to the Philippines, and our military officials will be beholden to the Americans for the act of kindness :lol:
boom_box March 10th, 2010, 03:53 PM i'm sure the PAF would drool over these... :lol:
LOL..
I was searching for insider pics in that Airbase.. mostly sa pics halos naka tinga yung mga surplus na F-4, F-14 at F-16 dyan.. pati yung mga B-52's which nasa good condition pa pero wala nang jet engines..
http://members.chello.nl/m.waterloo/images/f-4b/f-4b_150652_1977_monthan.jpg
boom_box March 10th, 2010, 04:58 PM I don't know why what's the reason for a foreign airline bears our registration number or use other registration..
Which same goes to PR's 744 (N75xPR), A343/333 (F-Oxxx) and the former 737 (EI-Bxx)
Like this one.. Its bears our AC registration.. Not to mention this is only flying Short SC-5 Belfast
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/3/9/3/1473393.jpg
hybridace101 March 10th, 2010, 05:43 PM I think quite the opposite is true - the 772s and especially the 744s are overstaying because of the financial crisis.
SQ wants to keep its fleet young and older planes have long been scheduled to go. But one or two of the old 772s have been put back in service instead of being sold. Further, the 773s and the remainder of the 772s are being reconfigured.
Both SQTalkers and Anetters seem to agree that SQ made a wrong decision by ordering a lot of A380s instead of exercising options for 77Ws.
When you say reconfiguration of the regional 777s, does that include Y because I know C will be getting the seats seen on the A330s? Or does that mean Y will only get a change in seat covers?
Who knows until when the <USD300 all-in fares between MNL and SIN on SQ good (in terms of sales dates)?
bcanieso March 11th, 2010, 02:46 AM I don't know why what's the reason for a foreign airline bears our registration number or use other registration..
Which same goes to PR's 744 (N75xPR), A343/333 (F-Oxxx) and the former 737 (EI-Bxx)
Like this one.. Its bears our AC registration.. Not to mention this is only flying Short SC-5 Belfast
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/3/9/3/1473393.jpg
There are provisions for foreign air carriers based in a particular country that civil air authorities allow foreign registered aircraft to operate locally under a reciprocity agreement, FYI :)
hikouki March 11th, 2010, 07:52 AM When you say reconfiguration of the regional 777s, does that include Y because I know C will be getting the seats seen on the A330s? Or does that mean Y will only get a change in seat covers?
Who knows until when the <USD300 all-in fares between MNL and SIN on SQ good (in terms of sales dates)?
Probably only a change in seat covers. The first reconfigured 773 received just that - new Givenchy seat covers in Y, but completely new seats in business.
But the 772s will have a different seat count in Y as a result of the reconfiguration up front with new seats.
hybridace101 March 11th, 2010, 08:23 AM ^^
SQtalk says that MNL won't be one of the first destinations seeing the newly reconfigured 772s. A certain registration of 772s are assigned to particular destinations and that's pretty much it. I believe they will deploy the reconfigured 772s to high-yield destinations first.
Sou-jiro March 11th, 2010, 01:58 PM I think thats the Heavylift Based in QLD Aust. they're fleets are Reg in RP
I have seen them several times in Sydney Airport
this is they're 727F also reg in RP
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/1/3/6/1198631.jpg
I don't know why what's the reason for a foreign airline bears our registration number or use other registration..
Which same goes to PR's 744 (N75xPR), A343/333 (F-Oxxx) and the former 737 (EI-Bxx)
Like this one.. Its bears our AC registration.. Not to mention this is only flying Short SC-5 Belfast
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-photos/photos/3/9/3/1473393.jpg
oboi March 11th, 2010, 04:32 PM Air Philippines to buy six Airbus planes
AIR Philippines, the low-cost partner of Philippine Airlines (PAL), is expanding its fleet this year with the planned acquisition of six Airbus units.
PAL president Jaime Bautista said this is part of the working plan of Air Philippines which is 99-percent owned by the Tan Group of Companies controlled by Lucio Tan.
“That is the plan but let’s just wait for the final announcement [which may happen] hopefully this year,” he said.
Initially, the plan is for Air Philippines to lease six Airbus A320s, added the PAL president.
He also said the Airbus planes will service the airlines’ existing routes.
Both PAL and Air Philippines are looking to strengthen operations with modest fleet and route network buildups. This, despite predictions by the International Air Transport Association of a dip in industry earnings due to higher fuel prices.
The two airlines have had close complementation in their flight operations, feeding passengers into each other’s networks and ensuring connections via their joint hubs at the Naia Centennial Terminal 2 in Manila and Mactan International Airport in Cebu.
Air Philippines earlier announced a new management team appointed to implement the airline’s new business model.
David Lim, president, and Cesar Chiong, executive vice president and chief operating officer, were tasked to fast track the airline’s conversion to a low-cost business model using a leaner workforce.
It said in a statement last year that the new business model involves the lease of Bombardier turboprop aircraft from PAL. The turboprop fleet flies to 19 towns and cities, operating out of two hubs—Manila and Cebu. From Manila, the airline flies to Tuguegarao, San Jose (Mindoro Occidental), Naga, Virac, Busuanga, Catarman, Calbayog, Ormoc and Surigao. From Cebu, it will service Kalibo, Iloilo, Bacolod, Tacloban, Butuan, Ozamiz, Cagayan de Oro, Gen. Santos, Zamboanga and from Zamboanga to Davao.
The following flights are being operated by Air Philippines, as code shared with PAL with the latter as the marketing carrier. Tickets issued by PAL will be accepted for carriage.
PAL is set to announce tomorrow details of its new aircraft and new destinations.
PAL, said Bautista in an earlier interview, will resume flights to India after an absence for so many years. The flag carrier is appealing to the Philippine government to help negotiate landing rights so it can service the Manila-Bangkok-Bombay route.
“We want to fly back to India in Bombay. But the problem is the landing rights. We are talking to the government to negotiate for landing rights because Bangkok won’t permit us to pick up passengers there,” he said.
PAL ceased operating this route for commercial reasons. Now, Bautista said it is time for the flag carrier to resume flights on the back of strong demand. “There are many Indians flying to Manila but not so much the other way around. Even Tourism Secretary Ace Durano said there is a strong demand and the number of Indians that visited the country last year reached thousands and thousands.”
The PAL president is hoping that negotiations for landing rights will be successful so the airline can resume service as soon as possible.
source (http://businessmirror.com.ph/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=22887:air-philippines-to-buy-six-airbus-planes&catid=24:companies&Itemid=59)
Sky Harbor March 12th, 2010, 01:28 AM ^^ If PAL can't do MNL-BKK-BOM, it should do it directly so it can take advantage of Indians wanting to travel to the western United States.
lovely_aiko March 12th, 2010, 05:40 AM ^^ If PAL can't do MNL-BKK-BOM, it should do it directly so it can take advantage of Indians wanting to travel to the western United States.
I think the problem is they dont have the proper and feasible aircraft to mount a direct flight to Bombay from Manila. I dont think an A320 aircraft would have the range capability to do a direct flight between the two cities. The utilization of a bigger long range aircraft say A330 or 340 would nor be feasible as PAL executives themselves admit their is traffic between the two cities alright but the traffic does not warrant for a bigger long range aircraft.
Anyhow, PAL is scheduled to hold a press conference today, Friday (March120 at the parent company owned Century Park Sheraton Hotel reportedly to announce new aircraft acquisitions and new destinations.
Stay tuned!
hybridace101 March 12th, 2010, 06:19 AM I think the problem is they dont have the proper and feasible aircraft to mount a direct flight to Bombay from Manila. I dont think an A320 aircraft would have the range capability to do a direct flight between the two cities. The utilization of a bigger long range aircraft say A330 or 340 would nor be feasible as PAL executives themselves admit their is traffic between the two cities alright but the traffic does not warrant for a bigger long range aircraft.
Anyhow, PAL is scheduled to hold a press conference today, Friday (March120 at the parent company owned Century Park Sheraton Hotel reportedly to announce new aircraft acquisitions and new destinations.
Stay tuned!
Hmmm... An A319/A320 can do MNL to somewhere in northwest or north-central Australia. I was able to do MNL-DRW on AirwaySim. It can also do MNL-ALA on an A319. Having said that, it should stop at DEL for re-fueling.
Skyblade March 12th, 2010, 06:44 AM maybe 20 years from now the US will pull from F-14s there and give it as military aid to the Philippines, and our military officials will be beholden to the Americans for the act of kindness :lol:
Trust me, the last thing you'd want is to give PAF an expensive-to-operate, maintenance-heavy aircraft such as the Tomcat. :runaway: ;)
eeldedabolyuayen March 12th, 2010, 08:45 AM CebuPac in hot water over new flight policy
MANILA, Philippines--Budget carrier Cebu Pacific once again is in the middle of a controversy involving the quality of its services and treatment of passengers.
Last month, a passenger filed a complaint with the Department of Transportation and Communications (DOTC) against Cebu Air Inc. for adopting a policy where late passengers would not be allowed to re-book their tickets.
In his complaint, lawyer Pedro Linsangan related that when he arrived after boarding gates were closed, he was required to purchase new tickets, instead of just having to pay a small fee to get on a later flight.
Linsangan said the airline’s policy was “arbitrary, capricious and confiscatory ... [affecting] thousands of helpless passengers patronizing this airline.”
Linsangan stated in his complaint that last Jan. 9, he was not allowed to board his 3:05 p.m. return flight to Manila from Iloilo via Cebu after he arrived at about 2:20 p.m.
After being barred from boarding, he said he was told by the gate attendant that he could not rebook his ticket for a later flight that same day. He was also told that he had to buy a new ticket for his connecting flight from Cebu to Manila.
Also, Linsangan said, his flight from Cebu to Manila was delayed for nearly two hours.
“Except for an apology, what did passengers get? Nothing,” he said. Under the airlines’ rules, only passengers on flights delayed for more than three hours would be entitled to refunds.
“Cebu Pacific is making millions of pesos just by declaring flights forfeited even if it is just a matter of a few minutes’ delay,” he said.
Linsangan asked the DOTC to mount an investigation and stop the airline from implementing the policy of forfeiting tickets of delayed passengers.
Reacting to the news, Cebu Pacific said that in its statement in November of last year, it announced that any change in flight schedules should be made at least a day before the flight itself.
“Passengers may rebook flights without penalties as long as travel is completed within 30 days. Passengers may also store booking in the Travel Fund, but with a penalty since these disruptions are beyond Cebu Pacific’s control,” the airline stated last November.
Inquirer.net (http://business.inquirer.net/money/topstories/view/20100309-257684/CebuPac-in-hot-water-over-new-flight-policy)
THIS IS AN AIRLINE COMPANY WHOSE GREED FOR PROFIT FORGETS THE WELFARE OF THEIR PASSENGER.:ohno::ohno::ohno:
ianers_ianized March 12th, 2010, 09:52 AM ^^
A travel agent told me a few weeks that SQ has a surplus of aircraft. Hence, would you wonder why they are offering a 4th flight to MNL, as well as lower than usual Y fares?
And why can't the A380s take over these routes? What I noticed that the common thing among these routes is that the end destination is in the US. Does that have anything to do with it (e.g. aircraft/number of seats restriction)?
Having around 8 aircraft for 2 routes, which I presume fly daily doesn't make any sense. Four of them will probably remain idle which won't make any money for SQ. So why not sell 4 of them? Unlike the A380, I can't see any wiggle room for the 744 to be reconfigured, especially F. With the financial crisis and fewer people flying F, having F in single digit seats should make sense, but I don't see how a 744 can reduce the number of F seats in favour of more Y.
The 4th flight make sense for the surplus aircraft and I think they made a right decision since it fill-up too for SQ flight to the other side of the world.
^^ If PAL can't do MNL-BKK-BOM, it should do it directly so it can take advantage of Indians wanting to travel to the western United States.
Why PAL can't do the MNL-KUL or CGK-BOM... its a tight comeptition in BKK-BOM... can they sustain that route? I believe this won't be a daily flight too
I think there are markets in KUL-BOM and CGK-BOM... plus they can feed the MNL-KUL/CGK route. It would be a good return to KUL if they do the MNL-KUL-BOM.
I think the BOM-MNL-LAX/YVR/SFO would be good but are their enough markets to sustain it for a long time?
I think the problem is they dont have the proper and feasible aircraft to mount a direct flight to Bombay from Manila. I dont think an A320 aircraft would have the range capability to do a direct flight between the two cities. The utilization of a bigger long range aircraft say A330 or 340 would nor be feasible as PAL executives themselves admit their is traffic between the two cities alright but the traffic does not warrant for a bigger long range aircraft.
Anyhow, PAL is scheduled to hold a press conference today, Friday (March120 at the parent company owned Century Park Sheraton Hotel reportedly to announce new aircraft acquisitions and new destinations.
Stay tuned!
This will formally announce the BOM route siguro... But for the surprises baka they'll announce their return to Europe like to FRA, LHR, CDG, or FCO... pwede ding Middle East flying to DOH, DXB or return to JED and DMM... Expanding to Asia like flying to Hanoi or KUL... or to AKL...
Pero big surprise kung biglang lumipad sila sa South America!:nuts:
Kintoy March 12th, 2010, 11:05 AM Cops arrest entire drunk crew from Ukraine airline
We've occasionally written about a captain being pulled from his plane for being over the legal drinking limit, but arresting the entire crew for being drunk? Pretty sure that is a first.
The airline in question is Ukraine based carrier Donbassaero. When local police acted on a tip, they boarded the Yak-42 plane and measured alcohol levels between 0.075 and 0.052 in every member of the crew - flight attendants, pilot and flight engineer. The legal limit in the Ukraine is 0.02.
gadling.com (http://www.gadling.com/2010/03/11/cops-arrest-entire-drunk-crew-from-ukraine-airline/) by Scott Carmichael (RSS feed) on Mar 11th, 2010 at 2:30PM
Sou-jiro March 12th, 2010, 11:49 AM Trust me, the last thing you'd want is to give PAF an expensive-to-operate, maintenance-heavy aircraft such as the Tomcat. :runaway: ;)
offtopic..:bash:
haha yup!...:D nd eventhe good old tomcat is much to adavance than any aircraft.
I relly do feel or them. I hope the next adminstration doesorgety our defense force.
They cant even have older f-14s f-16s or even mig-29s whats more for newer aircraft
But I think the Navy needs an upgrade more urgently . In particullar for rescue operations. :ohno:
alcogoodwin March 12th, 2010, 12:34 PM ~~ 777 Confirmation ~~
A friend who came back from Manila to Sydney before me on Feb 21st said that he flow back to Sydney via Melbourne on a 777.
He said the boarding pass says a 777, it was brand new with the TV things in each seat.
Could it be that this Tueday is not the first PAL 777 to come to Sydney.
Can anyone confirm.
Thanks
Brad
hybridace101 March 12th, 2010, 01:15 PM The 4th flight make sense for the surplus aircraft and I think they made a right decision since it fill-up too for SQ flight to the other side of the world.
Why PAL can't do the MNL-KUL or CGK-BOM... its a tight comeptition in BKK-BOM... can they sustain that route? I believe this won't be a daily flight too
I think there are markets in KUL-BOM and CGK-BOM... plus they can feed the MNL-KUL/CGK route. It would be a good return to KUL if they do the MNL-KUL-BOM.
I think the BOM-MNL-LAX/YVR/SFO would be good but are their enough markets to sustain it for a long time?
This will formally announce the BOM route siguro... But for the surprises baka they'll announce their return to Europe like to FRA, LHR, CDG, or FCO... pwede ding Middle East flying to DOH, DXB or return to JED and DMM... Expanding to Asia like flying to Hanoi or KUL... or to AKL...
Pero big surprise kung biglang lumipad sila sa South America!:nuts:
An A330 is also a possibility for MNL-BKK-BOM. Remember, they need "chargeability" especially since the SYD routes will be taken over by the 77W and the BSB routes won't cover much. Also, MNL-BOM may not have the high capacity but BKK-BOM very well could. They could probably use the late night BKK flight for this.
I like to pose a question: if PR will return to the EU, will it likely be non-stop or via an intermediate stopover?
hikouki March 12th, 2010, 01:37 PM ...
Why PAL can't do the MNL-KUL or CGK-BOM... its a tight comeptition in BKK-BOM... can they sustain that route? I believe this won't be a daily flight too
I think there are markets in KUL-BOM and CGK-BOM... plus they can feed the MNL-KUL/CGK route. It would be a good return to KUL if they do the MNL-KUL-BOM.
I think the BOM-MNL-LAX/YVR/SFO would be good but are their enough markets to sustain it for a long time?
...
I agree, KUL-BOM sounds better than BKK-BOM. OTOH, JKT-BOM is quite a detour.
I also think MNL-BOM-Mid East would make sense.
hybridace101 March 12th, 2010, 02:21 PM Be careful with who you book your flights from: http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/pinoy-migration/03/12/10/travellers-warned-beware-fake-e-tickets
hybridace101 March 12th, 2010, 02:57 PM Did AA forget to pay its cleaning crew? http://www.wusa9.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=98401&catid=158 :ohno::ohno:
NTprime March 12th, 2010, 05:32 PM Be careful with who you book your flights from: http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/pinoy-migration/03/12/10/travellers-warned-beware-fake-e-tickets
There are always at least 2 parts to any airline ticket transaction -- the booking reference, or passenger name record (PNR), and the actual ticket number (these are the ones obvious to the passengers). Often free lance travel agents do not explain the details properly to the passengers, especially nowadays where electronic ticketing will eventually phase out paper tickets (both IATA and those issued by the airlines themselves).
No need to elaborate much on the booking process, except to mention that airlines in the past tried so hard to prevent people from booking on practically every flight going to their destination, only to go windows shopping and drop everything else at the last minute when their "preferred" and "cheapest" itinerary was finally booked. It gets really interesting when booking for peak season travel dates...sometimes passengers had to book months, even more than half a year in advance just to get their preferred flight (especially in examples like departing for HKG on Dec. 26th). In the end, that's where the advantage of having a GDS in your travel agency paid off, especially if your competitors relied only on the phone to call the airlines.
In the past, paper tickets were used as "proof" that a passenger had already paid for their travel arrangements. However it was easy to create a dummy ticket for visa purposes only when in fact, there was no real booking on the airlines reservations system (shown as MK on the PNR instead of HK). An MK segment meant that this PNR was usually used for ticketing purposes only (as in the case of an IATA travel agency or consolidator issuing tickets on behalf of their non-IATA agents) because the actual PNR used for the booking would show on the airlines' resa system (or the selling travel agency's resa system) with the actual secondary PNR (if the booking was made via a GDS like Abacus, Amadeus, Galileo). Once the ticket was issued, the airlines had to get confirmation of the ticket number (which was entered manually or automatically generated by the CRS in the case of automated neutral tickets), so that they could "finalize" the booking. Of course, some airlines even required that the passenger reconfirm (or "RR") a previously issued ticket before they actually flew on onward segments.
Fast forward to this day of the internet and laser printers. Almost anybody with knowledge of Acrobat/Photoshop, etc. could easily create an image that looks like a real ticket, complete with all the necessary fields (even the ticket number). But the airlines do have a series for ticket numbers, so in the past, they knew if the ticketing agents were just making up the ticket numbers and so on... (they employed the use of a check digit on each of the coupons of the paper ticket). Nowadays, that series is probably kept in the airline's mainframe and maybe the only way to verify its authenticity is to call the airline itself.
I found it funny a few years back as how the security guards at the entrance get at NAIA could actually know if a ticket was fake or real...most, if not all of them, probably can't spot the difference between a "photoshopped" e-ticket and a real one.:nuts: So the only way really is to check with the airline itself, which is exactly what happened in the instance cited by the ABS-CBN news article. Imagine, just a few hundred pesos to print fake e-tickets, in return for over USD6000!:uh:
That is some con artist!:bash:
pthfndr19 March 12th, 2010, 09:29 PM ^^
May money changer ba sa NAIA 3?
Kintoy March 12th, 2010, 10:23 PM ^^ meron, after sa Immigration.
Sa departures, just beside where you pay the terminal fees
pthfndr19 March 12th, 2010, 10:27 PM ^^ meron, after sa Immigration.
Sa departures, just beside where you pay the terminal fees
^^OK thanks Kintoy... wala na kami pesos money yung kasama ko hehe...
kelangan magpapalit ng dollars... punta kmi Coron ngayon hehe.
Kintoy March 12th, 2010, 10:41 PM cool! enjoy ur trip :cheers:
Sky Harbor March 12th, 2010, 11:53 PM I agree, KUL-BOM sounds better than BKK-BOM. OTOH, JKT-BOM is quite a detour.
I also think MNL-BOM-Mid East would make sense.
It's possible despite KUL-BOM having competition from MH and D7 (beginning May 6). A direct route though is still much better when talking about connections to the West Coast.
If ever, the A340 is the best aircraft to send here directly, although it may be hard to find a rotation where it can fit.
alcogoodwin March 13th, 2010, 05:54 AM ~~ WELCOME B777 ERA ~~
Seems the 777s have started coming to Sydney earlier than expected with our trip back being one of the last A330 visits, though I will still check tomorrow nights departure from Manila in case.
This morning a very early PR-C7776 is seen on arrival in Sydney (Kingsford Smith)
Welcome!
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Another one leaves.
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Not quite the size of my Sydney counterpart on this thread :lol: but its a start :lol:
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hikouki March 13th, 2010, 07:55 AM Not quite the size of my Sydney counterpart on this thread :lol: but its a start :lol:
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Nice catsup!:okay: Oops, I mean collection!:lol::nuts:
alcogoodwin March 13th, 2010, 07:59 AM Nice catsup!:okay: Oops, I mean collection!:lol::nuts:
LOL - When I start collecting, I collect anything :-)
jeffphilippines March 13th, 2010, 09:24 AM Nope, Manila Hub and Cebu Hub, Airphil will use 1 unit Airbus A320 for cebu- Davao, Cebu=Gensan to substitute PAL Airbus A330 route Cebu- Davao, PAL Airbus A320 Cebu-Gensan but not it's final many changes happen once they will arrive 6 units Airbus A320.In the meantime they are finalizing their existing domestic routes for Airbus route assignment.one thing for sure 2P expands domestic route to counterpart with 5J. PAL will concentrate international flights and some major domestic routes only.Minor routes 2P will cater in behalf of PAL.
^^ So far, all 2P A320s are based in MNL, not CEB.
gustokiddo March 13th, 2010, 09:34 AM [B]
Not quite the size of my Sydney counterpart on this thread :lol: but its a start :lol:
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Im envious of the ATR! I sooo want one!
mambo March 13th, 2010, 10:31 AM There are always at least 2 parts to any airline ticket transaction -- the booking reference, or passenger name record (PNR), and the actual ticket number (these are the ones obvious to the passengers). Often free lance travel agents do not explain the details properly to the passengers, especially nowadays where electronic ticketing will eventually phase out paper tickets (both IATA and those issued by the airlines themselves).
No need to elaborate much on the booking process, except to mention that airlines in the past tried so hard to prevent people from booking on practically every flight going to their destination, only to go windows shopping and drop everything else at the last minute when their "preferred" and "cheapest" itinerary was finally booked. It gets really interesting when booking for peak season travel dates...sometimes passengers had to book months, even more than half a year in advance just to get their preferred flight (especially in examples like departing for HKG on Dec. 26th). In the end, that's where the advantage of having a GDS in your travel agency paid off, especially if your competitors relied only on the phone to call the airlines.
In the past, paper tickets were used as "proof" that a passenger had already paid for their travel arrangements. However it was easy to create a dummy ticket for visa purposes only when in fact, there was no real booking on the airlines reservations system (shown as MK on the PNR instead of HK). An MK segment meant that this PNR was usually used for ticketing purposes only (as in the case of an IATA travel agency or consolidator issuing tickets on behalf of their non-IATA agents) because the actual PNR used for the booking would show on the airlines' resa system (or the selling travel agency's resa system) with the actual secondary PNR (if the booking was made via a GDS like Abacus, Amadeus, Galileo). Once the ticket was issued, the airlines had to get confirmation of the ticket number (which was entered manually or automatically generated by the CRS in the case of automated neutral tickets), so that they could "finalize" the booking. Of course, some airlines even required that the passenger reconfirm (or "RR") a previously issued ticket before they actually flew on onward segments.
Fast forward to this day of the internet and laser printers. Almost anybody with knowledge of Acrobat/Photoshop, etc. could easily create an image that looks like a real ticket, complete with all the necessary fields (even the ticket number). But the airlines do have a series for ticket numbers, so in the past, they knew if the ticketing agents were just making up the ticket numbers and so on... (they employed the use of a check digit on each of the coupons of the paper ticket). Nowadays, that series is probably kept in the airline's mainframe and maybe the only way to verify its authenticity is to call the airline itself.
I found it funny a few years back as how the security guards at the entrance get at NAIA could actually know if a ticket was fake or real...most, if not all of them, probably can't spot the difference between a "photoshopped" e-ticket and a real one.:nuts: So the only way really is to check with the airline itself, which is exactly what happened in the instance cited by the ABS-CBN news article. Imagine, just a few hundred pesos to print fake e-tickets, in return for over USD6000!:uh:
That is some con artist!:bash:
paper tickets were already phased our since june last year, an e-ticket means that your reservation is stored in the airlines computer system thus enabling you to check in without having to carry any form of paper proof at all...of course it is advisable that you bring with you to the the airport the printout of your e-ticket passenger itineray receipt that mentions your booking ref number and ticket number as they may be required by security custom or immigration personnel....
hikouki March 13th, 2010, 12:33 PM LOL - When I start collecting, I collect anything :-)
Actually, the salt and pepper sachets and the moist towel (baby wipes) are worth taking home, too.:lol: The package design may not be as lively as Thai's but they're already a classic.:) That catsup will feel extremely lonely.
Sky Harbor March 13th, 2010, 12:38 PM Im envious of the ATR! I sooo want one!
That's actually a Q400.
ianers_ianized March 13th, 2010, 01:10 PM Nope, Manila Hub and Cebu Hub, Airphil will use 1 unit Airbus A320 for cebu- Davao, Cebu=Gensan to substitute PAL Airbus A330 route Cebu- Davao, PAL Airbus A320 Cebu-Gensan but not it's final many changes happen once they will arrive 6 units Airbus A320.In the meantime they are finalizing their existing domestic routes for Airbus route assignment.one thing for sure 2P expands domestic route to counterpart with 5J. PAL will concentrate international flights and some major domestic routes only.Minor routes 2P will cater in behalf of PAL.
So what will happen in March 28? It's almost 2weeks before there first Airbus operation but there seems to be low profile announcements and press release...
RonnieR March 13th, 2010, 03:29 PM PAL opens 2 new int’l destinations
Cites increasing domestic demand
By EMMIE V. ABADILLA
March 13, 2010, 2:09pm
Philippine Airlines (PAL) recently acquired two brand-new Boeing 777-300ER aircraft to resume its service to two international destinations Brisbane, Australia and Riyadh, Saudi Arabia later this month.
PAL took options for 6 new Boeing 777-300ERs in all but will order the remaining 4 aircraft depending on whether the Philippines can get out of its category 2 status, according to Chief Commercial Group Adviser Richard Miller.
The Federal Aviation Administration has prevented PAL from expanding its coverage in the US after the former downgraded the country’s aviation status.
PAL’s option to acquire the 4 remaining Boeing 777s expires next year, he noted. “Although all 6 aircraft are intended for the North American market, we may look at more new regional destinations. such as India and China. The Middle East is an important market for us.”
Now, The flag carrier is re-launching flights to Brisbane on March 17 and to Riyadh on March 28, its 25th and 26th international destinations, respectively, in a gradually expanding route network.
“Brisbane is a popular destination, with its beaches and golf courses and has a strong passenger traffic demand,” Miller pointed out. On the other hand, Riyadh accounts for 50 percent of passenger traffic in the Middle East which has over 2 million overseas Filipino workers.
PAL’s international passenger traffic dipped 6 percent in the first 10 months of its current fiscal year (April, 2009 to January, 2010) although domestic traffic surged 18 percent, according to the Chief Commercial Group Adviser. International passengers account for 37 percent of PAL’s 9 million passengers last year.
http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/247522/pal-opens-2-new-int-l-destinations
hikouki March 13th, 2010, 03:57 PM PAL opens 2 new int’l destinations
Cites increasing domestic demand
By EMMIE V. ABADILLA
March 13, 2010, 2:09pm
Philippine Airlines (PAL) recently acquired two brand-new Boeing 777-300ER aircraft to resume its service to two international destinations Brisbane, Australia and Riyadh, Saudi Arabia later this month.
PAL took options for 6 new Boeing 777-300ERs in all but will order the remaining 4 aircraft depending on whether the Philippines can get out of its category 2 status, according to Chief Commercial Group Adviser Richard Miller.
The Federal Aviation Administration has prevented PAL from expanding its coverage in the US after the former downgraded the country’s aviation status.
PAL’s option to acquire the 4 remaining Boeing 777s expires next year, he noted. “Although all 6 aircraft are intended for the North American market, we may look at more new regional destinations. such as India and China. The Middle East is an important market for us.”
Now, The flag carrier is re-launching flights to Brisbane on March 17 and to Riyadh on March 28, its 25th and 26th international destinations, respectively, in a gradually expanding route network.
“Brisbane is a popular destination, with its beaches and golf courses and has a strong passenger traffic demand,” Miller pointed out. On the other hand, Riyadh accounts for 50 percent of passenger traffic in the Middle East which has over 2 million overseas Filipino workers.
PAL’s international passenger traffic dipped 6 percent in the first 10 months of its current fiscal year (April, 2009 to January, 2010) although domestic traffic surged 18 percent, according to the Chief Commercial Group Adviser. International passengers account for 37 percent of PAL’s 9 million passengers last year.
http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/247522/pal-opens-2-new-int-l-destinations
I don't think walking away from the 4 remaining 77Ws will be as easy as that, let alone cheap or even economically practical. I mean the 77Ws were ordered precisely because PAL stood to forfeit their deposits for 744s if no aircraft were ordered from Boeing. So I imagine that they can only change the aircraft type on order if they wish not to take 77Ws anymore.
mambo March 13th, 2010, 04:45 PM PAL opens 2 new int’l destinations
Cites increasing domestic demand
By EMMIE V. ABADILLA
March 13, 2010, 2:09pm
Philippine Airlines (PAL) recently acquired two brand-new Boeing 777-300ER aircraft to resume its service to two international destinations Brisbane, Australia and Riyadh, Saudi Arabia later this month.PAL took options for 6 new Boeing 777-300ERs in all but will order the remaining 4 aircraft depending on whether the Philippines can get out of its category 2 status, according to Chief Commercial Group Adviser Richard Miller.
The Federal Aviation Administration has prevented PAL from expanding its coverage in the US after the former downgraded the country’s aviation status.
PAL’s option to acquire the 4 remaining Boeing 777s expires next year, he noted. “Although all 6 aircraft are intended for the North American market, we may look at more new regional destinations. such as India and China. The Middle East is an important market for us.”
Now, The flag carrier is re-launching flights to Brisbane on March 17 and to Riyadh on March 28, its 25th and 26th international destinations, respectively, in a gradually expanding route network.
“Brisbane is a popular destination, with its beaches and golf courses and has a strong passenger traffic demand,” Miller pointed out. On the other hand, Riyadh accounts for 50 percent of passenger traffic in the Middle East which has over 2 million overseas Filipino workers.
PAL’s international passenger traffic dipped 6 percent in the first 10 months of its current fiscal year (April, 2009 to January, 2010) although domestic traffic surged 18 percent, according to the Chief Commercial Group Adviser. International passengers account for 37 percent of PAL’s 9 million passengers last year.
http://www.mb.com.ph/articles/247522/pal-opens-2-new-int-l-destinations
^^so are they going to use the triple 7 to riyadh?
gustokiddo March 13th, 2010, 04:45 PM That's actually a Q400.
ooppps a. this is embarassing!:lol:
anyway, whatever they're called, i soo want one....:bash:
twIco March 13th, 2010, 04:55 PM ^^lol
hybridace101 March 13th, 2010, 05:31 PM I don't think walking away from the 4 remaining 77Ws will be as easy as that, let alone cheap or even economically practical. I mean the 77Ws were ordered precisely because PAL stood to forfeit their deposits for 744s if no aircraft were ordered from Boeing. So I imagine that they can only change the aircraft type on order if they wish not to take 77Ws anymore.
They are also forgetting they have Canada and 3 flights a week which do not proceed to LAS. Also, if RP-C8168 is chiefly the aircraft used for RUH (not sure what the basis is), PR can also upgrade that hence deploy it to regional destinations on days that it won't serve RUH. Finally, PR can also consider an EU destination via milk-run (such as MNL-FCO-LHR-MNL).
paper tickets were already phased our since june last year, an e-ticket means that your reservation is stored in the airlines computer system thus enabling you to check in without having to carry any form of paper proof at all...of course it is advisable that you bring with you to the the airport the printout of your e-ticket passenger itineray receipt that mentions your booking ref number and ticket number as they may be required by security custom or immigration personnel....
I don't know what was the point of paper tickets since the late 80s. Since most flights are booked using computer networks, why wasn't the e-ticket introduced then? Wasn't the purchase/booking already submitted to the airline via a network where during check-in the agent will just access it? What has changed on the airline's side of things since then besides the fact that they handle less paper? My next blog entry is about e-tickets and their convenience and the knowing the way these paper tickets work would give a good background.
Nowadays, since email can be received on a mobile device, will security personnel in MNL accept you showing them the email of the e-ticket off your Blackberry or iPhone?
On another sidenote, it's ironic they aren't using N754 on the RUH route considering it has arabic signs all over it. It can come in handy if there are arab passengers.
jeffphilippines March 13th, 2010, 05:43 PM So what will happen in March 28? It's almost 2weeks before there first Airbus operation but there seems to be low profile announcements and press release...
Airphil some Airbus A320 will start flying to Bacolod,Ilo-ilo,Cagayan de oro, and Puerto Princesa twice daily on March 28, 2010 other routes schedule will follows on April.
hakz2007 March 14th, 2010, 12:28 AM PAL reopens Brisbane, Saudi routes (http://www.pna.gov.ph/index.php?idn=101&nid=3&rid=264002)
MANILA, March 12 (PNA)--National flag carrier Philippine Airlines has acquired two brand new Boeing 777-300ER aircraft for its service resumption to international destinations later this March.
Philippine Airlines, in a press conference at the Century Park Hotel in Manila on Friday, said it will relaunch flights to Brisbane, Australia on March 17 and to Riyadh, Saudi Arabia on March 28 for its 25th and 26th foreign routes, respectively in a gradually expanding international network.
Brisbane, which happens to be the flag carrier's third destination in Australia, triggers the restructuring of the airline's current daily operation to Sydney and Melbourne.
PAL first flew to Brisbane on June 5, 1985. But commercial difficulties spawned by the Asian financial crisis of 1997 forced the flag carrier to shut down its Australian services on June 5, 1998.
PAL will fly a new Manila-Melbourne-Brisbane-Manila route twice weekly, using Airbus A330-300 aircraft. The wide-body jet seats 302 passengers in two-class layout--42 in business class and 260 in economy.
Sydney, on the other hand, will be served three times a week via Melbourne and twice a week direct from Manila with PAL's new flagship, the B777-300ER, flying both routes.
On the other hand, PAL takes a long-awaited return to Riyadh after an absence of four years. The airline last served the Saudi capital on March 2, 2006, after which the service was suspended for commercial reasons.
PAL's return to the Middle East has been warmly welcomed by Filipino expatriates, who number over 2.2 million. PAL's direct service to and from Manila has been traditionally favored by Filipinos in the region because of its time-saving advantage. Other carriers' flights can involve up to two stops.
From March 28, PAL will operate four times weekly to Riyadh with departures every Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday and Sunday.
Boeing 747-400 aircraft, which seat 18 passengers in business class, 32 in premium economy and 383 in economy, will be deployed on the non-stop route.
PAL first flew to Riyadh on March 1, 1987 and over the decades the Saudi capital became one of the most important Middle East points.
PAL's redeployment of aircraft to Brisbane and Riyadh was made possible with the delivery of two-long range B777-300ER aircraft in recent months. The first arrived in Manila on Nov. 19, 2009 and the second last Jan. 21.
The fuel-efficient B777-300ER is the world's largest long-range twin engine jetliner and is capable of carrying 370 passengers in PAL's two-class configuration at a range of up to 7,880 nautical miles or 14,594 kilometers.
The state-of-the-art aircraft was first deployed on the Manila-Hongkong route on Nov. 26, 2009. It has since been deployed to Tokyo on Jan. 12, 2010 and to Sydney and Melbourne on Feb. 20, 2010.
Accommodating 42 passengers in business class and 328 in economy class, PAL's B777-300ER features a cutting edge inflight entertainment system, luxurious seats and a soothing, coastal resort-themed cabin design.
The fully- digital inflight entertainment system enables passengers to choose from a broad range of media content.
For the latest PAL special promotions, packages as well as booking requirements, visit www.philippineairlines.com or call (02)855-8888. (PNA)
hakz2007 March 14th, 2010, 02:10 AM 30,000 seats for sale cheap (http://www.manilastandardtoday.com/insideNews.htm?f=2010/march/13/news6.isx&d=2010/march/13)
FLAG carrier Philippine Airlines is selling a 10th of its passenger capacity at a discount in the second half to generate $10 million to $15 million in revenue, an official said Friday.
Over 300,00 seats would be offered in a series of promotional events as the airline celebrates its 69th anniversary this year, said Richard Miller, the carrier’s chief commercial group adviser.
He said the airline’s available capacity in its 44 domestic routes in the second half was around 3 million, and about a 10th of that would be made available in its promos.
PAL had allocated more than $5.2 million for the promos, which would include up to 70,000 free seats on various PAL flights that will be given away through a series of raffles.
“Anniversary Fare Special” will be launched on Monday and last up to the end of March, and it is valid for travel on all domestic routes on June 1 to Dec. 15. A flat rate of P700 on one-way flights is being offered between Manila and points in Luzon or the Visayas, and P1,700 to and from Mindanao.
The promos cover international flights, but the fares vary according to route.
Miller said the domestic passengers carried by the airline in the first 10 months of its fiscal year starting March rose 18 percent from year ago, but the number of international passengers carried fell 6 percent to 7 percent.
Ianthe Aquino, vice president for revenue management, said the increase in domestic passengers did not offset the dip in the number of international travelers.
PAL’s recent acquisition of two brand-new Boeing 777-300ER aircraft will allow it to resume services to Brisbane, Australia, and Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, this month. The carrier will relaunch services to Brisbane on March 17 and to Riyadh on March 28.
The airline reported a net loss of $40.2 million in the first nine months of its fiscal year ending in December 2009, an improvement from the $330.2 million it lost a year earlier. It carried 7.02 million passengers during the period, up 7.3 percent from 6.54 million previously.
Revenue rose 15 percent to $1.08 billion but expenses reached $1.1 billion.
alcogoodwin March 14th, 2010, 02:49 AM Actually, the salt and pepper sachets and the moist towel (baby wipes) are worth taking home, too.:lol: The package design may not be as lively as Thai's but they're already a classic.:) That catsup will feel extremely lonely.
My mate Bill flies with them twice over the next month, I shall ask him to get any PAL marked condiments and paper.
:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:
alcogoodwin March 14th, 2010, 02:52 AM That's actually a Q400.
So very small, but not far different in price to far bigger models.
Hard decision that one :ohno:
hikouki March 14th, 2010, 04:09 AM They are also forgetting they have Canada and 3 flights a week which do not proceed to LAS. Also, if RP-C8168 is chiefly the aircraft used for RUH (not sure what the basis is), PR can also upgrade that hence deploy it to regional destinations on days that it won't serve RUH. Finally, PR can also consider an EU destination via milk-run (such as MNL-FCO-LHR-MNL).
I don't know what was the point of paper tickets since the late 80s. Since most flights are booked using computer networks, why wasn't the e-ticket introduced then? Wasn't the purchase/booking already submitted to the airline via a network where during check-in the agent will just access it? What has changed on the airline's side of things since then besides the fact that they handle less paper? My next blog entry is about e-tickets and their convenience and the knowing the way these paper tickets work would give a good background.
Nowadays, since email can be received on a mobile device, will security personnel in MNL accept you showing them the email of the e-ticket off your Blackberry or iPhone?
On another sidenote, it's ironic they aren't using N754 on the RUH route considering it has arabic signs all over it. It can come in handy if there are arab passengers.
I think it has something to do with the markets being a bit more "premium." RP-C7475 has the new lie-flat seats and AVOD in economy and is more suited for trans-Pac flying.
I'm not even sure if RP-C8168 was reconfigured with lie-flats, but it may have retained the prehistoric recliner seats. Hence the deployment to a less "premium" market.
mambo March 14th, 2010, 08:12 AM They are also forgetting they have Canada and 3 flights a week which do not proceed to LAS. Also, if RP-C8168 is chiefly the aircraft used for RUH (not sure what the basis is), PR can also upgrade that hence deploy it to regional destinations on days that it won't serve RUH. Finally, PR can also consider an EU destination via milk-run (such as MNL-FCO-LHR-MNL).
I don't know what was the point of paper tickets since the late 80s. Since most flights are booked using computer networks, why wasn't the e-ticket introduced then? Wasn't the purchase/booking already submitted to the airline via a network where during check-in the agent will just access it? What has changed on the airline's side of things since then besides the fact that they handle less paper? My next blog entry is about e-tickets and their convenience and the knowing the way these paper tickets work would give a good background.
Nowadays, since email can be received on a mobile device, will security personnel in MNL accept you showing them the email of the e-ticket off your Blackberry or iPhone?
On another sidenote, it's ironic they aren't using N754 on the RUH route considering it has arabic signs all over it. It can come in handy if there are arab passengers.
^^ewan ko ba kung bakit super higpit sila sa naia eh sa ibang airport pwede kang pumasok sa departure area kahit hindi ka pasahero..pero hindi ko pa natry yan pero its advisable na print mo na lang yong email mo o di kaya go to the airline office sa airport to have your e-ticket receipt printed para ipakita sa guard para di ka na maabala kaysa makipag argue ka sa kanila
jpdm March 14th, 2010, 08:18 AM Cebu Pacific eyes solo slot at T3
By Paolo Montecillo
Philippine Daily Inquirer
First Posted 21:23:00 03/12/2010
BUDGET AIRLINE CEBU PACIFIC WANTS TO be the only carrier in the Ninoy Aquino International Airport (Naia) terminal 3 by 2013.
The Gokongwei-led carrier said it plans to grow its passenger base to over 13 million, 12 million in Manila, in the next three years, indicating that airport facilities need to be expanded to prevent any potential squeeze on tourism and trade.
Fueling this growth is the company’s planned acquisition of 10 new Airbus A320 aircraft in the next three years.
“Cebu Pacific’s rapid expansion was substantially helped by its transfer to terminal 3 in August 2008, when nobody else wanted to use it. We could not have grown this much had we stayed at the old domestic terminal, which has a capacity of only two million per year,” Cebu Pacific vice president for brand and marketing Candice Iyog said in a statement.
Terminal 3, she said, provided the space, convenience, and opportunity for the airline to really grow and serve its passengers. “Transiting passengers, for instance, could catch their connecting flights with ease since our domestic and international operations are under one roof, as are other airlines, which put everyone on equal footing,” she said.
“Our population is growing and Asia, including the Philippines, has been tagged as a growth area. We believe that our airports, being the welcoming gateway into our country, should be adequate now and in the future,” she added.
The Manila International Airport Authority (Miaa) has said it plans to spend P40 billion in the next 10 years to expand Manila’s airport capacity to keep up with rising air traffic.
Miaa assistant general manager Tirso G. Serrano said that while Cebu Pacific’s operations alone will eventually be all that terminal 3 can take, the airport authority also had to think about the needs of other airlines flying out of Manila.
Manila’s current airport system, made up of three Naia terminals and the domestic terminal, have a total capacity of 33 million passengers a year. Last year, 24.5 million travelers passed through these four airports.
Last year, Cebu Pacific said it carried over 7.3 million passenger. This is 29-percent higher than its 5.7 million passengers the year before. This year, Cebu Pacific expects to carry more than 10 million passengers on the domestic and regional fronts.
Mithril Cloud March 14th, 2010, 10:31 AM ^^ Do they seriously want to brand T3 as the world's biggest LCC terminal? It's not for their use alone.
Sky Harbor March 14th, 2010, 10:35 AM ^^ If 5J really wanted growth opportunities, they can always go to Clark.
naughtycalboy March 14th, 2010, 11:28 AM ^^ewan ko ba kung bakit super higpit sila sa naia eh sa ibang airport pwede kang pumasok sa departure area kahit hindi ka pasahero..pero hindi ko pa natry yan pero its advisable na print mo na lang yong email mo o di kaya go to the airline office sa airport to have your e-ticket receipt printed para ipakita sa guard para di ka na maabala kaysa makipag argue ka sa kanila
super higpit ba ang NAIA? last time na nandun ako for my flight from manila back to japan, sa boarding gates puro kuwentuhan lang mga tao dun. pansin ko lang, lahat ng nauna sa akin pinahubad ang shoes and belts pati laman ng pockets pinaalis nung ako na pinadaan lang ako.
jpdm March 14th, 2010, 02:10 PM Bernabe, Cusi clear runway of squatters
Manila Standard
March 13, 2010
Parañaque City Mayor Florencio Bernabe Jr. and general manager Alberto Cusi of the Manila Internal Airport Authority are working together to transfer at least 800 squatters living near the runway to nearby Merville subdivision.
The move follows the national government program of relocating settlers out of “danger zones” to suitable housing sites.
“Danger zones” refer to places where accid ent or health hazards are present or those prone to risks posed by natural and man-made calamities.
Authorities have included in the classification riverbanks, seacoasts, sections along creeks, railroad tracks, hilly portions and mountainsides, volcano perimeter and the flight path of aircraft around terminals.
“We do not just build homes and communities. We build lives and better futures for our citizens,” said Bernabe, noting a huge portion of the Ninoy Aquino International Airport rests in Parañaque.
The joint undertaking involves dismantling and transfer, site development starting with a socialized housing units, multi-purpose hall and school building along with legal documentation and other forms of assistance.
According to Bernabe, Parañaque City established at least 30 Gawad Kalinga communities.
hybridace101 March 14th, 2010, 04:06 PM ^^ Do they seriously want to brand T3 as the world's biggest LCC terminal? It's not for their use alone.
That is the upside of ongoing litigation. It will be in PR and 2P's interest to operate under a single roof, i.e. 2P and PalEx moves-out of T3 and back to T2.
Who knows why paper tickets were still needed from the late 80s if a computer network was involved to book a flight? In that era, didn't the agents at the airport have online access to the flight's passenger database?
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