Anyone have any pictures of the IE? Also, anyone know of any building projects for Riverside?

This is Riverside..

http://www.the-bus-stops-here.org/Amtrak-Riverside_Downtown_Bridge-s.jpg

http://www.cnn.com/US/9909/10/chained.girl/california.riverside.lg.jpg

http://www.innercite.com/~mraffety/images/mission.jpg

http://www.riversidemunicipalauditorium.com/front3.jpg

http://www.richkern.com/d1wvb03/Articles/OtherCalifornia/RiversideMission.JPG

http://www.richkern.com/d1wvb03/Articles/OtherCalifornia/Riversidetower.JPG

http://www.tlma.co.riverside.ca.us/images/rivcac.jpg

I Heart the Inland Empire:D

wow, what building is that? It looks like Spain. I like inland empire as well. People complain about all the cows, but I think seeing agriculture around cities is so beautiful.

That's the Mission Inn.

Here is alot of pictures of Mission Inn.

http://www.the2buds.com/pc/ca/CA_0352.jpg

http://www.letsgoseeit.com/index/county/rvr/riverside/loc01/inn43_5in_30.jpg

http://www.ottingerdisplay.com/lights/mission_inn.jpg

http://www.barrybrown.us/photo/Rotunda-med.jpg

http://www.boston-baden.com/hazel/Pix/2003/riv001x.jpg

http://www.garbc.org/slideshow/conference/1.jpg

http://www.garbc.org/slideshow/conference/2.jpg

http://images.usatoday.com/travel/_photos/2003/12/19-great-inside.jpg

ALL of those pictures are of Mission Inn..

http://www.orange-empire.com/gallery/riverside_downtown?page=1

Downtown Riverside (Lots of pictures.)

wow, what building is that? It looks like Spain. I like inland empire as well. People complain about all the cows, but I think seeing agriculture around cities is so beautiful.


Most of the old Dutch dairies are gone now. Replaced by ugly proto-typical cheap tract homes, especially in the Ontario area.

Inland Empire is my home, Corona actually (as you can tell I'm sure).

Lots of projects/renovations around Market and University streets in Riverside but they aren't going that well. Alot are over budget, behind schedule etc. Some big building going on in Corona, a 6 story office bulding! :) Not that big compared to most buildings on here of course but big for us. Plus the Dos Lagos development by my hosue that is supposed to have two lakes with ampitheatre and "living mall". Looks impressive on paper, will see how it turns out.

Most other projects include homes, homes, strip malls, homes, big ugly blocky commercial buildings, homes, and more homes.

Unfortunately no one has really realized the pontential of Riverside becoming a big city because the city council ain't too bright and most developers don't care. Plus there is the whole problem of the city being very "sprawly" and not all that pretty to look at. All in good time...

That Mission Inn place is great.

Absolutely gorgeous pictures! Makes me feel a bit homesick!

december... man this is an old one

LOL, yeah, this is an old thread. However, that Mission Inn IS really beautiful. I also particularly like that clocktower in Threehundred's second to last pic, where/what is that, btw?

This would probably be a good time to ask as well...any updates on IE stuff?

The clock tower is at UCR.

I thought the clock tower is at Hill Valley. Marty McFly can vouch for that.

Ha! No one cares to mention BEAUTIFUL Rancho Cucamonga?... ;-)

Anyhow, it's been my home for quite a few years, and has seen some SERIOUS recent development. The Victoria Gardens project and upcoming surrounding development are doing a lot to make it a very attractive place to live. Unfortunately, with all of the development, the image of the city's roots in wine agriculture are progressively being erased as abandoned grapevine fields are being transformed into housing.

^^ Why don't you share some pix for us to check "Beautiful Rancho Cucumanga"......

It is RANCHO CU-CA-MON-GA. It is an Indian word and means "sandy place."

Well, I don't have many, but here are a couple I took just the other day as I prepare to say goodbye to RC... This is where I currently live, right on the golf course! I'll take more and share.....

http://convergeds.com/toscana001.jpg

http://convergeds.com/toscana02.jpg

^^ That's like super duper clean.......

Yeah, they do a pretty good job of keeping the city up around here. A bit like South OC. Here's another shot that I happened to have, but I'll try to add more varying pics to this thread....

http://convergeds.com/home%20@%20night.jpg

The Mission Inn is a great place to dine. Check out the restaurants and there is a old spanish church at the top of the hotel.

The Inland Empire is a Great Place to live and it's also the fastest growing region in California and I think even the country.

I have Read in the paper about the lake and stream project going on is San Bernardino
Does anyone know much about it? ill see if i can find some articles?

don't wanna live there.. too hot

I wouldn't mind the heat, but isn't the air quality among the worst in the state, if not the whole country?

I dont know, the San Jouaquin Valley has pretty bad air, as does the LA/LB Port area.

I wouldn't want to live there because I would be going to LA often and I heard the commute from the IE to LA is horrible. I just heard of someone in San Bernardino Cnty who commutes 3 hours every day (6 hours roundtrip)! Thats too much for me...

"I wouldn't want to live there because I would be going to LA often and I heard the commute from the IE to LA is horrible. I just heard of someone in San Bernardino Cnty who commutes 3 hours every day (6 hours roundtrip)! Thats too much for me..."

That's why a subway line in the centerline of the I-10 freeway is nice indeed. It will save a lot of gasoline for those IE commuters. Plus there will be less exhaust from motor vehicles.

Those people already have Metrolink. You don't build subways to far flung low density areas. Too expensive and needless. Metrolink, Metrolink, Metrolink. That's why it is called Metro-link, get it?

Why build the red line extension to Santa Monica when there is already the Expo Line? That's redundancy. Besides people from Beverly Hills don't want it. Get it?

Umm..coming from someone who uses the Metrolink all the time, it takes a little over an hour to ride the train from Downtown Riverside to Union Station. The trains are fast, and the ride is nice. Granted, I wish Metrolink would extend service (I think the last train to Riverside leaves at around 7pm) and the trains are a bit dated (new trains will be running in 2009) but I think it's fine.

No Metrolink train going to San Bernardino in the morning. No Metrolink train going to downtown in the afternoon. Metrolink sucks.

and it is very blinding if crusing down the 1o at night

No Metrolink train going to San Bernardino in the morning. No Metrolink train going to downtown in the afternoon. Metrolink sucks.

http://www.metrolinktrains.com/dds/index.php?schedule_id=10007

You suck at searching.

The Inland Empire is freakin hot in the summer and freakin cold in the winter, and for some reason smog seems to get trapped there. I wouldnt live there!

Why build the red line extension to Santa Monica when there is already the Expo Line? That's redundancy. Besides people from Beverly Hills don't want it. Get it?

Assuming you are referring to the Red Line extension along Wilshire (to be dubbed Purple Line presumably, if it is built) then it isn't redudant. There is a large demand for transport along Wilshire past it's current terminus. The Expo/Aqua Line takes a completley different route through Culver City. Also, you're a bit out of date. Although Beverly Hills once opposed transit through the area, the city government of Beverly Hills, and most of the residents it appears, are now very much in support of transit through the area to ease the insane traffic. In fact, Representative Henry Waxman, who once opposed any Red Line extension, is the author of the bill to allow tunneling under Wilshire and one of the main proponents of the plan.

Anyway, I completely forgot about Metrolink. One question: if it only takes 1 hour to go from Riverside to LA on the Metrolink why do so few people use it? It seems like its a major savings from gas money, and is definitely quicker. Is it a cultural thing or is the schedule really bad as some say?

Anyway, back to the topic of IE development.

They definitely have a job base and a thriving economy, check out this article on a 90 acre industrial development: http://www.cpnonline.com/cpn/property_type/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002725853

Also, I'd be surprised if this hasnt been posted, but have people heard of 'Victoria Gardens': http://www.deliriousla.net/reviews/2005-victoriagardens.htm ? Its just a lifestyle center (one that allows cars at that), however I'm surprised by its size (twelve blocks, small 300' x 300' blocks, but thats still big nonetheless). What do people think?

i think it is still because of the fact it only serves IE downtown and burbank. there are alot more locations for people to work at then that. same reason why everyone does not use the redline

Anyway, I completely forgot about Metrolink. One question: if it only takes 1 hour to go from Riverside to LA on the Metrolink why do so few people use it? It seems like its a major savings from gas money, and is definitely quicker. Is it a cultural thing or is the schedule really bad as some say?

Anyway, back to the topic of IE development.

They definitely have a job base and a thriving economy, check out this article on a 90 acre industrial development: http://www.cpnonline.com/cpn/property_type/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002725853

Also, I'd be surprised if this hasnt been posted, but have people heard of 'Victoria Gardens': http://www.deliriousla.net/reviews/2005-victoriagardens.htm ? Its just a lifestyle center (one that allows cars at that), however I'm surprised by its size (twelve blocks, small 300' x 300' blocks, but thats still big nonetheless). What do people think?

Hordes of people use Metrolink. One of the main reason why they had to extend the length of the trains from 3 cars to 8 for the Inland Empire (91) line.

And Victoria Gardens is nice. It's a instant downtown for Rancho Cucuamunga. But it's still a suburban mall..and a bit out of the way.

If there is a strong demand for Metrolink, then why is it that the I-10 looks like endless miles of headlights starting at 5:00 AM.?

Thats what I'm wondering. Part of the reason has to be because theres just so many people using ONE route of one major area into another. I have a question for IE residents: where do you and your fellow residents work? Maybe the majority just dont work in the downtown LA area so MetroLink isnt very useful.

From what I see, lots of people work in downtown LA, and get off at these major stops: City of Indistury, Fullerton, Ontario, San Bernardino, and Riverside. My guess is that people who live within 5 miles from those stations (whom are very smart seeing as how the 91, the 60, and the 10 freeeways, all of which serve the IE are always crowded) drive to the station, take the train to dtla, and take the subway (or transfer to another Metrolink) to work.

Personally (I live in Riverside btw) I think it's a dumb statement to say that Metrolink isn't very useful.

You know you're from the Inland Empire IF...

1. Every one of your friends, including yourself, has a drinking problem.

2. You're pissed that you live in the 909(San Bernardino County) but your cell is 951(Riverside County).

3. Everyone is in a band.

4. Statutory rape laws dont exist here.

5. You hook up with someone on Friday night and Saturday morning you have 10 missed calls from people that already heard about it.

6. You've known more than half your friends since junior high, or elementary school

7. You use terms like "Mo Val" (Moreno Valley), "Deadlands" (Redlands- cuz Nothing Happens here, "fontucky" (Fontana), "San Berdoo", and "Victimville" to refer to Surrounding Cities.

8. When you go to parties you bring your own beer
and guard it with your life

9. A party isn't a party until the cops come and someone gets knocked out

10. Every Jetta you see has a roxy sticker on the back.

11. The whos gonna drive to get more booze conversation is decided by who has the fewest number of D.U.I.'s

12. You try to act as white trash as possible but your parents live in million dollar houses and drive hummers

13. You know at least 10 people with a tattoo of their last name, a star, or a flower

14. At least half the guys you see are wearing black Active socks

15. When all of your girlfriends go off to college, and all your guy friends stay home and work construction

16. You walk into a party and you've hooked up with at least half the people there

17. Even the people you havent seen since high school still manage to find out what and who you are doing

18. You walk into Vons or Rite Aid and see atleast 5 people you know

19. You have an Uncle Jager.

20. You participate in the cycle of: A) Seeing old people at parties and then B) Being the old people at parties.

21. "Your mom" is the most common phrase in your vocabulary.

22. You walk to your truck at Victoria gardens and mistaking put your key in one of the 50 black lifted F-250 with Famous stickers on them...

23. You still miss Metro and Gotham.(Closed NIght clubs In SAn Bernardino)

24. You go to victoria gardens on friday night, saturday night and sunday night because there isnt much else to do...

25. You know what a Bro is, and what a Bro Hoe is.

26. Being called a Bro Hoe isnt a good thing yet all of them are excited to be called one.

27. when monday night bowling and getting shitfaced is the highlight of your week.

28. you go to the Branding Iron (Country Club) on Wednesday nights.

29. You know what people do at "the Top of Haven "

30. your whole life is DRAMA.

31. You cant start a day without Starbucks.

32. You run into your ex's ALL the time.

33. When you think Fontana is ghetto. (fontucky)

34. when you have been to a Quakes or Stampede game on friday night.(1$ friday nights)

35. you were disappointed to learn that Hemet is no longer the Meth capital of the world, its Yucaipa on the other side of the I.E.

36. u know what emo is... but you're too "hardcore"

37. You have gone offroading off the 71, the 91 or the 60

39. You have been to a Rufio concert.

40. you know someone who works at Active, Hollister or Abercrombie.

41. you or someone you know went through the "bleaching" the hair phase, with spikes

42. You have crossed a raging flood . . . at an intersection

43. Kids love their cars more than they love their parents

44. You know that snoop dogg lives 10 min away and where his house is.

45. You know that snoop dogg's mom lives 10 min away and where her house is.

46. You know at least 10 people that had to be evacuated from their homes because of the wildfires.

47. You take the 10 or 60 or the 91 to get somewhere that is 5 min away, but it takes 45 minutes to get there

48. all ur old friends have kids.. and u know their baby daddy.

49. At least 5 of your friends has their lip pierced.

50. lifted trucks have west coast choppers, Tapout, or Famous stickers

51. u eat dennys or albertos after a hard night of partyin'!!!!

52. u know someone with a 50cc pit bike DEF!!!!!!

53. you know someone who knows someone who knows someone who knows travis barker

54. Every radio station fades into spanish at least once during your commute

51. I did that this morning at 3 am.

I can relate to 90% of that.

Where does Snoop Dogg live?

see if you can find him here...
http://www.celebrity-maps.com/index.php

Cities consider transit projects
Metrolink hoped to go to Redlands
Andrew Silva, Staff Writer




Links:

For Sanbag (San Bernardino Associated Governments) at www.sanbag.ca.gov

For Omnitrans at www.omnitrans.org and www.estreet-sbx.com

For Metrolink trains at www.metrolinktrains.com/
Comparing costs of using Metrolink vs a car
Click for to enlarge chart
• Alternative vehicle - video: Commuters take advantage of Metrolink 11.5MB .mov format




Instead of crawling into a car to wade into the slow-moving mess on Interstate 10, it might be possible to walk down from your second-story apartment, pick up coffee in the shop below, and stroll to the train station for the commute to Los Angeles.
That's the vision in plans to extend Metrolink commuter-rail service about 10 miles east from San Bernardino into Loma Linda and Redlands.

The five or more stations that would be built along the line are seen as catalysts for new high-density developments that would feature retail, office and residential units within easy walking distance of the rail line and new bus services.

To win federal money for the project, the three city councils must buy into the idea of such transit-oriented development, also known as smart growth or new urbanism.

"I think it has real potential," said Redlands Mayor Jon Harrison.

Officials hope to go after $75 million from the federal government, with the total cost of the project roughly estimated at $150 million.

Officials are seeking input at two more workshops this month to see how the public feels about the plans, and to hear which alternatives for development people prefer.

Metrolink service now ends at the historic Santa Fe Depot on Third Street in San Bernardino. An additional mile of track from the depot to east of E Street just south of Rialto Avenue has already been laid, but isn't being used.

Omnitrans, the valley's bus agency, is planning a major transit center at the southwest corner of E Street and Rialto Avenue, next to where the rail extension is proposed.

An appraisal for the land was just completed, and the agency will soon begin the process of buying the land for the project, said Omnitrans General Manager Durand Rall.

Dubbed the Transcenter, the $13 million project will provide a central location where bus riders will be able to switch buses, get on Metrolink or take the proposed high-speed bus service planned by Omnitrans, called sbX.

"We want to look at the entire area as transit-oriented," Rall said.

Eventually, private developers would be expected to come in to build the shops and apartments or condominiums around the Transcenter and the other proposed stations.

With Carousel Mall slated to become a mixed-use development, and the city's downtown lake project still on the drawing board, there is plenty of potential for San Bernardino to become a prime example of transit-friendly development, he said.

The Transcenter is at least two years away and probably three or more, which puts it ready by 2010, when Omnitrans' sbX, which will run along E Street between Cal State San Bernardino and the hospitals in Loma Linda, is scheduled to begin.

Other stations along the remaining nine miles of the proposed extension, possibly all the way to the University of Redlands, would be expected to spur development as well, with planners examining variations on projects that make the most sense for each location.

Development around a station on Tippecanoe Avenue, a little north of Hospitality Lane, might focus on commercial development, given the area already has a lot of light industry nearby, said Elaine Carbrey, a planner with Gruen Associates, an architectural and planning firm working on the extension.

A station in downtown Redlands would serve a more mixed type of development, which would feature residential and retail, something Redlands has been working on, she said.

The extension of Metrolink service would not use existing trains.

Instead, that stretch would be served by a "diesel multiunit," a self-propelled train that has no separate locomotive.

Commuters coming from Redlands or Loma Linda would have to switch from the diesel multiunit to the regular Metrolink trains at the Transcenter.

The entire extension probably won't be complete for eight to 10 years, officials estimate.

The workshops for the proposals will be held from:

6 to 9 p.m. Thursday at Market Night on State Street in Redlands.

4 to 6:30 p.m. July 31 at the senior center, 25571 Barton Road, Loma Linda.

so are communities like Hemet, Lake Elsinore, and Temecula not mentioned much when talking about the IE because you dont really consider them to be the in the IE or because nothing is there?

so are communities like Hemet, Lake Elsinore, and Temecula not mentioned much when talking about the IE because you dont really consider them to be the in the IE or because nothing is there?

nothing there? the entire Temecula Valley region has a population of roughly 300,000.... there's a whole lotta something there (it's where I grew up) :cheers:

i hear its got some sweet wineries as well

Choice wineries indeed... Callaway Vineyard & Winery is one of my personal favourites. :okay:

Gold Line going to Montclair
Lori Consalvo, Staff Writer
Article Launched:11/09/2006 12:00:00 AM PST


MONTCLAIR - In about 10 years, Inland Empire residents, business owners and commuters will have a direct new transportation access into Azusa, Pasadena and Los Angeles.
Although there is a slight delay in the construction and federal funding process, supporters of the Gold Line light rail expanding into Montclair are optimistic about the revitalized transportation system.

"Montclair is already a transportation hub in the area," said City Engineer Mike Hudson. "The Gold Line would bring more in alternative ways to getting to (Los Angeles)."

A few years ago, Hudson said, the first phase of the light rail was completed from Union Station in Los Angeles to Pasadena, ending near the Arcadia border.

Now the proposed idea is to design a route for the Gold Line to continue to Arcadia, Monrovia, Irwindale, Azusa, Glendora, San Dimas, La Verne, Pomona, Claremont and Montclair.

Based on current plans, there are two segments of the extension process known as Phase II. Segment 1 will run 11.4 miles from Pasadena to Azusa. Segment 2 will run 12.5 miles from Azusa to the Montclair station.

"We have a 1,600-parking-space lot - that's the largest along the Metrolink corridor," Hudson said.


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"The Gold Line will be able to share the common lot with Metrolink parking."
The light rail differs from the existing Metrolink because its trains rely on electrical contact. It has lighter steel and a lighter train.

According to the Metro Gold Line Foothill Extension Web site, www.metrogoldline.org, the train will offer shorter commuting trips, increased energy savings and reduced levels of pollution.

Construction has been slightly delayed because of the Federal Transit Authority's request for recalibration of a computer model that helps project ridership and travel benefits, said Susan Hodor, public affairs director for the Metro Gold Line Foothill Expansion Construction Authority.

Upon completion and acceptance of the new model, authorities will move closer to a decision and the potential for a full-funding grant agreement from the FTA.

"We are looking to have the Gold Line extended to Azusa in the years 2011 or 2012 and to Montclair about four years later," Hodor said.

The cost of construction for the first segment of Phase II is $402 million. The second segment, about $760 million, will cost more based on maintenance and facility.

Money for the project will need to come from federal grants as well as local matching funds.

Despite the perceived need for alternative transportation, construction for the extended Gold Line has been delayed.

The best-case scenario, Hodor said, is that the agency will be able to break ground for the first segment in Azusa in late 2008.

"It's really exciting for the region to see everyone committed to making a new type of transportation," she said.

Based on the increasing congestion that has developed on the Interstate 210 extension and the demand for more businesses and housing developments in the Inland Empire, Hodor said there is a definite need for the Gold Line in Montclair.

"We are building as people are planning to grow and expand their cities," she said.

Transportation planning shifts into high gear
Staff Reports
Article Launched:11/09/2006 12:00:00 AM PST


Road projects in San Bernardino County should move faster now that state voters approved a big transportation bond.
Proposition 1B means $19.9 billion for state roads and other infrastructure projects.

Of that amount, $4.5 billion is set aside for projects to reduce congestion, and that's one of the main parts of the bond that local transportation planners will go after.

Projects have to be under construction by 2012 to qualify.

Among the projects expected to benefit:

Interstate 10, Fontana, Bloomington, Rialto: new interchanges at Cherry, Citrus, Cypress, Cedar, Riverside and Pepper avenues; $250 million.

Interstate 10, Yucaipa, Redlands: new westbound lane from Live Oak Canyon Road to Ford Street; $36 million.

Interstate 215, San Bernardino: widening of six miles of freeway between Interstate 10 and Highway 30, including new bridges and interchanges; $650 million.

Interstate 215, Colton, Grand Terrace: if money for the San Bernardino portion of I-215 is obtained, local money may be kicked to the widening project south of I-10 to the Riverside County line.

Interstate 15, Victorville: rebuilt interchanges at D and E streets, Stoddard Wells Road, and a brand new interchange at La Mesa Road/Nisqualli Road; $70 million.

Where does Snoop Dogg live?

Chatsworth.

What about rancho Cucamonga? No pics?

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/402415_10151228838440247_830845246_22609191_1644915356_n.jpg

There ya go.

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/402415_10151228838440247_830845246_22609191_1644915356_n.jpg

There ya go.

^^ As a new resident of the IE I do enjoy the wide open roads. Something LA definitely needs to keep the flow of traffic moving.

That is absolutely the wrong approach. It's also the most likely one.

^ Yeah more lanes and less trains.... :nuts:


Jk*

http://www.redlandsdailyfacts.com/news/ci_23311104/county-supervisor-james-ramos-hears-praise-and-concern


A committee designed to keep the Redlands Passenger Rail Project moving full steam ahead held its first meeting Thursday, but some attendees were not onboard with the plan to extend a Metrolink line from San Bernardino to Redlands.

County Supervisor James Ramos formed the committee and was named chairman of the Rail to Redlands Working Group on Thursday afternoon.

"It's important to include stakeholders to make sure they can start to hear where the project is going and stay up to date," he said after the meeting in the University of Redlands' Armacost Library.

A station is being designed on the south side of the university. It would be the final stop on the line that connects to downtown San Bernardino and continues west to downtown Los Angeles.

San Bernardino Associated Governments is leading the project. There was not going to be a stop at Esri until founder Jack Dangermond called SanBAG, said Mitch Alderman, the agency's director of transit and rail programs.

Esri offered to pay for the construction, maintenance and security for a platform near its campus on New York Street.

Don Berry, the director of company operations at Esri, said the company was looking forward to having the station nearby.

"We think it will add a lot, both to the community and our business and add to our future growth," he said.

Downtown Redlands will also be growing

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with the implementation the RPRP, which is "optimistically" projected to start running in 2017, Alderman said.
Designs for a 400-space parking structure and transit center with stores and restaurants are nearing completion.

The project's local impact concerned a few Redlands residents at the meeting.

Larry Leonard was disturbed by the finances, especially the low rate of farebox recovery - the percentage of the ride covered by a purchased ticket.

According to Sanbag, the farebox recovery will be 45 percent, meaning the government subsidizes more than half the cost of a passenger's ride. The line from San Bernardino to L.A. recovers 60 percent of costs from purchased tickets, Alderman said.

"There won't be any new taxes " to pay for this," Alderman said.

Residents also expressed concerns over noise pollution, traffic congestion, environmental emissions and safety at street crossings.

Alderman said all those issues are being studied and factored into the Environmental Impact Report, which is scheduled to be finished April 2014.

The public will be able to comment on the EIR before its final submission.

The next Rail to Redlands Working Group meeting was scheduled for Sept. 19.

Ramos thanked committee members and the public for attending and said it was nice to hear praise and concerns for the project.

"It's the future, and we have to do it right," said Paul Granillo, the president and CEO of the Inland Empire Economic Partnership and vice chairman of the committee.