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*UofT* July 26th, 2004, 04:00 AM Hey guys,
I've always been amazed by all the projects and development initiated by the Admin in dubai.
I've got a question though,
with all the projects now full steam ahead what is exactly the population of Dubai being forecasted at??
If too much property is developed and the demographic remains small i think as of 2003 there are 930 000 citizens in dubai most of these projects are under direct financial threat.
Having said that does anyone have any sort of figures as to what the population over there in dubai should be at by 2015??
The way the development is going i'd say somewhere around 4.5 million in and around the population of Toronto and the Greater Toronto region..
Thanks
zuhahmed July 26th, 2004, 05:56 AM well by some counts dubai is one of the fastest growing cities in the world, if you look at its population chart, dubai only had a population of 500,000 in 1994, know in 2004, its already 1.3 million, and it is forcasted to even at a faster rate for the next 15 to 20 years, so the rapid development is not a surprise, and i am guessing by 2015 the city will have around 5 million people
Dubai_Boy July 27th, 2004, 07:30 AM In 20 years time i expect the population of Dubai to reach 2 million in city and an extra 2.5-3 million in surrounding areas
Trances July 27th, 2004, 08:12 AM 20 Years time
Just a quick one will add more later any one concerned about the social ills and developments of city based on rapid growth and transients
Sultan July 27th, 2004, 08:44 AM The whole country has a population of 3 - 4 million.
with around 700,000 citizens, the rest are all expatriates, are not given citizenship.
if there is a population increase, it'll be an increase of expatriates residing in Dubai.
and Dubai is a trade hub, people fly in and out of the place, so i think by 2015, the
total population of the whole country should be around 10 million, probably more.
Remember, Dubai is not Pakistan or India, where we can expect a 50 million growth in
population in 2 decades time :)
Hyperion July 27th, 2004, 09:54 AM I doubt the population of Dubai will reach 5 million by 2015. It may be a rapidly growing city, but that seems like a very unrealistic projection even for Dubai.
2 million seems a bit more realistic.
But this is what I'm wondering. Where will all these people live?
I may be wrong but it seems like the "size" of the city (the 'urbanized' areas) is rather disproportionate when compared to a statistic such as 2 million people, don't you think so?
I mean, for a city with a population of approx. 1.2 million people, Dubai seems small (but then again, I don't go out that much.....just stay here on good ol' Jamal Abdul Nasser St. in not so good ol' Sharjah :dunno: ).
M()R()N July 29th, 2004, 09:02 PM Minimum 3.5 million
zuhahmed July 29th, 2004, 10:20 PM well if the population only stays around 2 million by 2015, surley there will be a lot of empty towers after all these projects are completed
Dubai-Lover July 29th, 2004, 10:24 PM i'm convinced that all new towers will be sold out in a few years when everything is finished. and when there won't be anymore terrorist attacks, especially in this area, the aim of 3 million in 2010 is very realistic.
BulldozerGirl July 29th, 2004, 10:46 PM Some of these homes and apartments that have been sold in upcoming projects seem to be vacation residences, i.e. people purchase a home in Dubai to spend their vacations here. So I guess they will be empty when their owners are working in their home countries, wherever they may be.
Many apartments and homes have also been purchased by people not currently living in Dubai, but are willing to move there in the near future.
There will definitely be a big population increase because people will be moving in. And although the expatriates will continue to increase in number, the UAE population would increase as well since they have a very high fertility rate, and a lot of people do get citizenship via 'wasta' and recruitment to the army..etc.
Trances July 31st, 2004, 09:56 AM what are the other ways to get citizenship ?
Apart from Marraige and ?wasta? Never heard of that before ?
mrputter July 31st, 2004, 10:31 AM ?wasta? Never heard of that before ?
How long have you lived in Dubai again...? :tongue3:
Wasta == "power" of the variety that depends on who you are more than anything else.
And while I could be very wrong, I believe that the only other way to obtain citizenship is to "prove" (i.e.: demonstrate in one of various officially sanctioned methods) ancestry in the country‡ (dating back xyz generations; not sure of the exact number).
‡ Or Trucial Coast & areas in the region where the UAE now exists in times prior to 1971.
Toronto75 August 24th, 2004, 03:59 AM Dubai's Population 2015 ----> 2.7 Million
city of the future August 24th, 2004, 12:59 PM Dubai maybe around 3.5 million and about 6 million in metropolitan area (sharjah 1.5 million), (ajman 1 million) considering ajman already has half a million, this is only if the growth rate keeps steady.
anybody knows how much A.D an Al ain have in population?
Dubai_Boy August 24th, 2004, 02:12 PM I know 670,000 live in the City of Abu Dhabi and about 1.7 million for AD city + the metro area ( al ain , shahama ...............ect ) Loads of small town i have no time counting :)
Toronto75 August 26th, 2004, 03:14 PM Dubai's Population 2015 ----> 2.7 Million
I'm basing my numbers on Dubai growing on average by 150,000 per year... What do you guys anticipate an average that's even higher than that?!?!?
Dubai_Boy August 26th, 2004, 10:43 PM We might have a sudden surge if Iraqis Decide they want to start their careers in the UAE
366,000 Iraqis Flock to the UAE :\
Hyperion August 26th, 2004, 11:12 PM We might have a sudden surge if Iraqis Decide they want to start their careers in the UAE
366,000 Iraqis Flock to the UAE :\
:hahaha:
Quite possible :crazy:
Toronto75 August 27th, 2004, 04:58 AM We might have a sudden surge if Iraqis Decide they want to start their careers in the UAE
366,000 Iraqis Flock to the UAE :\
Do you know for a fact that 366,000 Iraqi's Ariived to the UAE?
zuhahmed August 27th, 2004, 06:59 AM why is dubai so small, compared with Riyadh. even though dubai is more famous
AltinD August 27th, 2004, 01:02 PM why is dubai so small, compared with Riyadh. even though dubai is more famous
Maybe becouse Saudi Arabia has a population of 20 - 25 million, while UAE just over 3 milion.
Size doesn't mater ...
BulldozerGirl December 19th, 2004, 01:54 PM This is a thread for discussing the demographics and population of the city, since it's changing just as rapidly as the skyline, and has a lot of cultural implications.
Dubai_Boy December 19th, 2004, 03:30 PM Just a though
we have a little over one million Pakistanis and 1.2 million indians living here in the UAE , the minority are Europeans and Americans , followed by Arabs and UAE locals
Now with indians and Pakistanis being the Majority , i dont see a huge change of culture or traditions , well atleast not for Abu Dhabi and other Emirates , coz we seem to have the same cultures and traditions ( well if they are muslim pakistanis and indians)
i mean i used to think Abu Dhabi mall is crowded and has a lot of diffirent nationalities shopping in it
But damn when i go to city center Dubai , i feel lost , its like i`m at some airport with a ton of different faces passing me by !! its madness
So to conclude
Its Dubais problem not Abu Dhabis , and i think the Shiekhs ruling the UAE take it that way too !!!
Dubai-Lover December 19th, 2004, 03:34 PM i totally agree dubai boy
city center is crazy, there are mainly all the pakistani and indians and it's very hectic and crowded
i avoid this because of the masses and not of the pakistani of course
but i'm sure in a decade there will be a serious demographic change in dubai
i honestly doubt all indians and pakistani are allowed to stay here when they have finished all the construction work here.
but when they have been payed correctly and saved the money they might have a better life when they return home
BulldozerGirl December 19th, 2004, 04:42 PM Role of expatriates in UAE's success praised
By Daniel Bardsley, Staff Reporter
Dubai: Expatriates' contributions to the success of the UAE was praised by academics and community leaders on International Migrants Day, held yesterday.
"The UAE is 99 per cent built by migrants. The construction workers are all migrants. We should celebrate this. The imprint of migrant workers is everywhere you go," said Dr Rima Al Sabban, a sociology researcher.
She said migrants had made "a great contribution" to the country.
December 18 was designated as International Migrants Day by the United Nations in 2000, exactly 10 years after an international convention protecting the rights of migrants was ratified by the UN General Assembly.
In the UAE, about 75% of the population of four million are expatriates, mostly migrant workers from India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, the Philippines, Iran and other Asian, Arab, African and Western nations.
Migrants, as well as helping with the physical development of the UAE, were also important within the home as housekeepers, said Dr Rima.
"It is good that internationally we recognise the contribution of migrants to the economy and society," she said.
Dr Nasr Arif, Professor of Political Science at Zayed University in Dubai, said migration had helped revitalise cultures and societies over the centuries.
"In the UAE, migrants are essential. They are more important here than anywhere else in the Middle East or the world. Nothing can be accomplished without immigration," he said.
"So much has been achieved in the Emirates because of the openness of the culture, the wisdom of the leadership and the contribution of the migrants."
Expatriate workers including pakistanis have been crucial to UAE's development through their involvement in construction, said Tanvir Khawaja, President of Dubai's Pakistani Business Council.
"I wouldn't see the Pakistani community here as being temporary. Most only have visas for three years, but a lot have been here for 10 years, 15 years or 20 years."
Dick Orense, a Filipino community leader, said his countrymen and women were vital to the UAE's service industries.
"You will hardly find a hotel without a Filipino, and there are lots of nurses as well. Most of them are pretty good and well liked.
"We also have technical people helping with the development of the oil industry and working in the docks," he said.
"Filipinos started coming to the UAE as early as the 1970s and their contributions have been tremendous. The economic situation at home is not so good so most want to stay here," Orense said.
In future, Dr Arif said, he expected more UAE nationals to take over important management jobs as they learned skills from the professional migrants.
"However, you cannot imagine the UAE without migrants, and the leadership of the society is keen to keep this contribution going for a long time," he said.
BulldozerGirl December 19th, 2004, 04:52 PM The people who've spoken in this article, including the sociologists, are all expats themselves, so of course they would be so optimistic.
Although a lot of the things they say are true, the number of expats present in Dubai is unnecessary. A lot of them also come to serve themselves (eg. a group of workers arrive and then they need restaurants, barbers, shops.. etc to cater for their needs, so more arrive to serve them).
I wonder with all these new projects coming up in Dubai, for example, the Grosvenor House Hotel which has 800 employees, where would they stay? Does the hotel provide accomodation for them, and where? I don't see any developments in Dubai to cater for the growing workforce, which is much larger in number than the middle or rich class who can afford these new apartments/homes. What these companies are doing is renting houses in existing areas in the city such as al-Safa and making 10 or 15 workers live in each house. This affects the neighbourhood they're in, and transforms middle class areas into low-class.
Most of the new developments in Dubai are for non-locals, so that would mean that the locals will remain in areas with the working class who would rent homes of the current middle class expats who are moving to the new developments after buying their own homes.
It's a big mess.
Dubai-Lover December 19th, 2004, 05:05 PM The people who've spoken in this article, including the sociologists, are all expats themselves, so of course they would be so optimistic.
Although a lot of the things they say are true, the number of expats present in Dubai is unnecessary. A lot of them also come to serve themselves (eg. a group of workers arrive and then they need restaurants, barbers, shops.. etc to cater for their needs, so more arrive to serve them).
I wonder with all these new projects coming up in Dubai, for example, the Grosvenor House Hotel which has 800 employees, where would they stay? Does the hotel provide accomodation for them, and where? I don't see any developments in Dubai to cater for the growing workforce, which is much larger in number than the middle or rich class who can afford these new apartments/homes. What these companies are doing is renting houses in existing areas in the city such as al-Safa and making 10 or 15 workers live in each house. This affects the neighbourhood they're in, and transforms middle class areas into low-class.
Most of the new developments in Dubai are for non-locals, so that would mean that the locals will remain in areas with the working class who would rent homes of the current middle class expats who are moving to the new developments after buying their own homes.
It's a big mess.
there are so many residential developments where workers can live
the greens, the gardens, emirates living, lake towers, marina, lost city, jumeirah village, jumeirah islands, discovery gardens, internet city, media city
many apartments and units in these developments are quite cheap
and many hotels, especially hotel groups provide homes to workers
BulldozerGirl December 19th, 2004, 05:13 PM I doubt workers like waiters and waitresses, porters.. etc would live in the Lost City, Emirates Living, or any of the developments you mentioned.
Taufiq December 19th, 2004, 05:22 PM http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=158738
A further push at demographic imbalances?
Dubai-Lover December 19th, 2004, 05:26 PM people like waiters,... will surely not be able to afford a villa at jumeirah islands, but there are many mid-class districts in dubai where they could find a home
but not all people are waiters
people working in all these hotels or in international companies' offices earn some good money and can afford an apartment in a tower. prices there are very cheap compared to the countries where they may come from, especially for europeans
BulldozerGirl December 19th, 2004, 05:31 PM When you have a workforce of 800, the majority will have a low income. If you look at Madinat Jumeirah for example, how many workers do you see opening doors or carrying luggage, cleaning the floors.. etc? You see them all over the place like ants. These kinds of people are the ones I'm talking about. Will their live in residentials in Deira? Apartments?
Qatar4Ever December 19th, 2004, 05:32 PM A thread to discuss this issue is way to late, the flood gates have already been opened and i dont think there is anyways u can reverse the demographic trend.. the gap is just going to widen!!
Dubai-Lover December 19th, 2004, 05:39 PM When you have a workforce of 800, the majority will have a low income. If you look at Madinat Jumeirah for example, how many workers do you see opening doors or carrying luggage, cleaning the floors.. etc? You see them all over the place like ants. These kinds of people are the ones I'm talking about. Will their live in residentials in Deira? Apartments?
like i've said, hotels also have residential developments for their workers
and i don't think le meridien will pay bad
juiced December 19th, 2004, 07:17 PM interesting point
BulldozerGirl December 19th, 2004, 07:33 PM Places like Karama and most of Deira should have buildings that would accomodate these low-income workers. This project for beautifying Deira and Bur Dubai, does it involve demolishing really old buildings and constructing new ones that are for these workers?
Dubai-Lover December 19th, 2004, 07:38 PM i don't know, but i really can't imagine the government doesn't even care about these people
the last thing they want to have would be slum or a ghetto or something comparable.
another example: the grand hyatt has an own residential development for ALL its employees. of course managers will not live there, but i have seen this on tv a couple of months ago and the apartments were fully equipped and they even had sporting facilities and small food outlets, supermarkets for the daily needs and stuff like this.
honestly i think you rate the situation a bit too extreme and exaggerated, which doesn't mean there won't be any poor people
BulldozerGirl December 19th, 2004, 07:48 PM I'm not saying there will be slums or whatever, was just enquiring about the location of these residentials built by hotels for their employees.
Anyway, as we saw in today's Gulf News article of people complaining about tolls between Sharjah and Dubai, there are a lot of people who live in Sharjah because they can't find suitable accomodation in Dubai. Some of the jobs mentioned were traffic controllers, government employees, and teachers.
Even doctors can't find suitable accomodation in Dubai, I know a lot of doctors who live in Sharjah and work in Dubai. Of course waiters and these kinds of people would have trouble finding a place to stay if their company does not provide them with one. But where are these places which the companies supposedly provide, as you say? I want to see them.
There are several old style villas in my neighbourhood which have 20 cars parked in front of them, and I see all kinds of people from all nationalities coming out. Cashiers and salespeople from stores like Zara or Pull and Bear or Sweet Factory live in them. There are at least 25 people in each house. The location is good for them and there's not much traffic so they can reach work faster, and most of them are couples that don't have kids so they don't really care about sharing a house. But this practice is dangerous.
Tell me a suitable place in Dubai where someone like a driving instructor can afford to live in, for example? Let's say a person who has a family and has a salary of 3000 dhs a month or less. How much would he be able to pay for rent? At what prices does rent in Dubai start for the crappiest of apartments, and would everyone with a family be willing to live in a crappy building with bad neighbours?
Dubai-Lover December 19th, 2004, 08:23 PM i think all of this is so strange
the problem you describe here is caused by the companies themselves, not by dubai government. if a company pays such little salaries it's not dubai's fault, because no one can claim prices are too high. people just are payed bad, this is how it seems to be. and people working as cashiers don't earn much anyway.
it really is strange how even some doctors cannot afford to live in dubai. i mean, we should not talk about a mansion, but a nice average-sized apartment.
if you ask me it's all a problem of payment. everything's so damned cheap in dubai.
i can hardly imagine 25+ people or 13 families living in one single house together
then may i ask why people are still working there? if it's this bad, so you even can't afford a tiny apartment for your family, why don't they go back to where they come from? it can't be worse
why has there never been one guy complaining about it and fighting against it till the very end?
BulldozerGirl December 19th, 2004, 08:48 PM I think the people who live all in one house together can afford to get their own cheap apartment, but they'd rather share a house and save up money so they can send back home to their countries instead of use it all for their life in Dubai. They're here to stock money, not to have fun.
Dubai-Lover December 19th, 2004, 08:54 PM that's what a major part of the people do, correct
but honestly, then it's not dubai's problem at all and the payment is good enough to live a better average life.
neither dubai, nor the companies are responsible for the families of their workers, as hard as this may sound
this would then mean, the major part of the low-class is created by the workers whose families are still in their home countries. then we can draw the conclusion that the major problem causing this is that these workers have big families, so they almost have to send all their money home! indians (and pakistani???) mainly have big families and many children, so they might easily run out of money
BulldozerGirl December 19th, 2004, 08:58 PM Well, for young doctors, their salaries would start at 7000 dhs a month the first year and then increase to 10,000 dhs a month. If a doctor is married and plans on buying a house or building a house, he would need to save a lot and he also has expenses of marriage and young children. How much would he be able to spare for rent? He needs a car also.
Going for a clean, spacious apartment with good facilities and suitable rent that would make a greater amount of money each month available for saving is ideal, and Sharjah offers such apartments right at the border with Dubai. To get an apartment at the same price in Dubai, you'd have to settle for one that has much less facilities and is old and has dodgy tenants. People don't like wasting money on rent, since it's a "dead purchase".
Life in Dubai with all its fancy restaurants, hotels, shops and reliance on cars, among other things, makes it hard for young families to afford to pay a lot on rent. Most expats in Dubai also send their kids to private schools, and there are expenses for that which can be around 20,000 dhs a year per child.
BulldozerGirl December 19th, 2004, 09:04 PM Don't forget that healthcare is not free, and a lot of people in Dubai rely on the private sector for healthcare needs. Dubai Healthcare City itself is a private venture.
There are daily living costs for the people who want to live in Dubai and settle down and still be able to enjoy the entertainment on offer. How many families with four or five kids do you know who have a salary of 10,000 dhs a month and have education and healthcare expenses, would be able to afford a weekly dinner at the expensive restaurants in Dubai's hotels? They'd have other priorities and financial obligations, which means that the entertainment in Dubai is not easily accessible by everyone, even some of the lower middle class.
Unfortunately, with the lifestyle in Dubai, even a salary of 10,000 makes you lower middle class (unless your spouse works as well or you have few or no kids or a lot of inheritance and businesses).
Dubai-Lover December 19th, 2004, 09:15 PM 7000 a month and then 10000 is not bad at all
for a young doctor it actually is a nice income
sorry, but once more a comparison to germany :sly: :D
10000dhs a month in germany are a good income as well
we also have to finance a home, car and not to forget about all those insurances and taxes we have to pay
healthcare is also not for free here
but i guess the key point is that in europe many women work as well, even full-time, so they can earn some extra money
in islam women are not allowed to go to work at all, or am i wrong?
this means, there is only one person earning the money for the family and when there are more children (especially in indian families) it might become a difficult situation.
when a couple without children (there are a hell lot of those) works full-time this means you're financially covered
BulldozerGirl December 19th, 2004, 09:26 PM I know that 10,000 a month isn't so bad, that's why I'm saying that even people with a salary of 10,000 choose to live in Sharjah.
Islam does not say women can't work, and increasingly, women are working. But the ability to afford the kind of lifestyle in Dubai is only for upper middle class and foreigners (Europeans mostly) who not only receive salaries of at least 14,000, but they also have private healthcare expenses covered, private education expenses for their kids covered, and free annual tickets to wherever they want to go, plus perks like discounts at certain hotels, and maybe a company car and villa provided.
These kinds of people don't have to worry about anything at all, and they roam around Dubai's hotels, eating at all the restaurants every night and buying designer wear.
dany01 December 19th, 2004, 09:34 PM women in islam are not forbidden to work
infact prophet muhammad's (pbuh) wife was a bussiness women
so i guess women not working is more a part of the tradition
but thats starting to change now
ahmedr December 19th, 2004, 11:37 PM ^Unfortunately, false tradition is slowly killing Arab Muslims (and a lot of non-Arabs too).
Dubai_Boy March 16th, 2005, 12:31 AM Source in Arabic (http://www.albayan.ae/servlet/Satellite?cid=1110873261912&pagename=Bayan%2FBayanArticle%2FBayanArticle&c=Page)
Year/Population
1970 / 557,800
1980 / 1,240,000
1985 / 1,973,000
1995 / 2,114,000
2003 / 4,014,000
2004 / 4,330,000
2005 / + - 5000,000
So i guess the last article i read had some truth in it when it mentioned that the UAE will have little over 10,000,000 people by 2015 max
Dubai_Boy March 16th, 2005, 12:37 AM source in Arabic (http://www.albayan.ae/servlet/Satellite?cid=1110873261945&pagename=Bayan%2FBayanArticle%2FBayanArticle&c=Page)
It is expected that Dubais population will reach 4000,000 in 15 years time.
367 billion derhams is the cost of the projects going on in Dubai.
Dubai second to Shanghai in growth rates
Some expert expects Dubais waterfront to cost an initial 20 billion Dollars.
Dubai has recently spent 2 billion dollars on roads and bridges
Raza March 16th, 2005, 01:51 AM how come there was such little growth between 1985-1995, wasn't that the oil boom period?
DUBAI March 16th, 2005, 02:11 AM nope, thats the time the 70's oil spike was caught with inflation, and the region ajusted to the fact that ISI ecconomies didnt work, [they were given a 10 resbite because of oil wealth]
DubaiDream March 17th, 2005, 10:21 AM nope, thats the time the 70's oil spike was caught with inflation, and the region ajusted to the fact that ISI ecconomies didnt work, [they were given a 10 resbite because of oil wealth]
i'd be interested to find out how those population figures are broken down into nationals, expats, immigrants etc...
DXB March 19th, 2005, 04:23 PM and only 500,000 are locals :ohno:
VansTripp March 19th, 2005, 04:35 PM Yeah but Dubai cannot suprassing NYC, Tokyo, Los Angeles, Mexico City, London, Paris and Hong Kong.
Dubai can supprassing Chicago, Toronto, Houston, Cape Town and several other cities that has less than 4 million.
smussuw March 19th, 2005, 05:48 PM and only 500,000 are locals :ohno:
its not that bad in 2001 we were 720,000.
juiced March 19th, 2005, 06:10 PM What happened to the 120,000? Did they die or emigrate to another country or something?
Bahraini Spirit March 19th, 2005, 06:51 PM 10 folds in 35 years, that's growth. The locals need to increase their numbers.
juiced March 19th, 2005, 07:46 PM Less time in the majlis and more time in the bedroom!!
smussuw March 19th, 2005, 09:23 PM What happened to the 120,000? Did they die or emigrate to another country or something?
I meant last statistics which i know in 2001 the population was 720,000. I dont know what is the population now.
smussuw March 19th, 2005, 09:24 PM 10 folds in 35 years, that's growth. The locals need to increase their numbers.
We are working on it. My elder brother has 4 so far, My eldest sister has 3. In 7 years our family growed by 7. wait untel i marry Ill have 10.
Dubai_Boy March 19th, 2005, 10:39 PM Yeah but Dubai cannot suprassing NYC, Tokyo, Los Angeles, Mexico City, London, Paris and Hong Kong.
Dubai can supprassing Chicago, Toronto, Houston, Cape Town and several other cities that has less than 4 million.
Who cares if Dubai wont surprass these cities population wise man , combine all those cities together and multiply them by 10 and still none of them will even come close to the projects coming up in Dubai nowadays ;/
Did you sense some arrogance in what i said , well then good , coz that the same message i got from you.
Qatar4Ever March 20th, 2005, 06:13 AM I dont understand, uae population increased by 700,000 from 2004 till 2005, is that a good thing ?!?!
Ignore the projects for a second. Not all ppl moving to dubai will be able to live in mariana or emirities hills or any other of those fancy projects. Is there an alternative afforadable housing ?! Plus, though roads and bridges are being built, are there enough schools, hospitals, police cars and other services being planned out for such a large population growth ?!?! I dunno if many of u realize this, but around 4 MILLION ppl is a very very large number, even houstan doesnt have this many ppl !!
As for locals population, i think qatar and uae share the same problem, and trust no matter how many kids we have we still wont be able to solve this imbalance.. the only solution is a studied method of giving citizenships !!
DarkBlueBoss March 20th, 2005, 06:22 AM i agree with ya QATAR4EVER ,
i mean we're talking 4 million people, i dont think they will all move to the palm islands, the new towers and dubai water front,
and no , there are no affordable living areas, they are slowly removing cheaper housing to make way for new projects, this city will crash soon, we're talking 10 years max .
I dont understand how can there be no planning for such a thing, ok i have nothing against people with money living in such areas, but what about the rest,
dubai is following this policy of (if you can't afford it, get out)
i mean, we are gonna be left with a city of rich people, however, there is no here to serve them, labourers, maids, drivers, cant afford to live in dubai, and its like there rich people are increasing pay for these people,
what is happening is costs of living is going up, however, income isnt (atleast not for the 50% labour force (drivers _ construction workers, waitresses, etc...)
msleiman March 20th, 2005, 06:58 AM I dunno if many of u realize this, but around 4 MILLION ppl is a very very large number, even houstan doesnt have this many ppl !!
!!
don't forget it's 5 millions for the whole UAE not only dubai.............so your comparing a city to a country .........i think dubai is at around 1.2 miliion
Dubai_Boy March 20th, 2005, 07:16 AM don't forget it's 5 millions for the whole UAE not only dubai.............so your comparing a city to a country .........i think dubai is at around 1.2 miliion
Dubais population is estmated to reach 4000000 in 15 years time
DarkBlueBoss March 20th, 2005, 07:22 AM i think that number is correct Dubai Boy ,
however they are also looking at around 10 million tourists visiting dubai annually by 2010
juiced March 20th, 2005, 01:41 PM If Dubai is so keen on keeping the place a wealthy city full of expensive masterplanned communities then maybe they expect all the people that will help run these places to live in Sharjah?
Raza April 18th, 2005, 04:48 AM which side of dubai is more populated, Deira or Bur dubai?
Krazy April 18th, 2005, 04:56 AM We are working on it. My elder brother has 4 so far, My eldest sister has 3. In 7 years our family growed by 7. wait untel i marry Ill have 10.
inshAllah.
metroreporter April 18th, 2005, 05:48 AM I think juiced just answered a whole lotta questions. It might just be that "Live Sharjah. Work Dubai" could be the future of the working class. For example, Orange County's standard of living is so high now that people live out in the desert and commute daily to work -- or play during the weekends.
One drop of medicine would be to create a minimum-wage system. So the people maintaining the masterplanned communities might actually be living in them too, you see, because they can afford it.
And maybe they could create niche industries (like fashion apparel, footwear, plastics, you get the point) to diversify the economy from just tourism and finance to something with more substance and consistency.
(I think Deira is more populated)
DUBAI April 18th, 2005, 02:22 PM which side of dubai is more populated, Deira or Bur dubai?
depends on how you define bur dubai.
do you include just the area by the creek,
or all the way to the marina and new duabi?
dubaiflo April 18th, 2005, 02:31 PM isn't bur dubai defined as the area by the creek?
Dubai-Lover April 18th, 2005, 02:38 PM isn't bur dubai defined as the area by the creek?
no, but that's what most people think
juiced April 18th, 2005, 03:01 PM Then that would be like saying Abu Dhabi is part of Bur Dubai
Raza April 18th, 2005, 06:02 PM i think bur dubai also includes areas like jumeirah, satwa, karama, and the newer areas like marina and JLK
smussuw April 18th, 2005, 06:19 PM As Raza mentioned Deira used to be the eastern part of the creek while Bur Dubai is the western. Deira used to be even called Bur Deira.
Yay am a western
smussuw June 25th, 2005, 03:13 AM The total emarati national population was estimated to be 906,000.
Age range -- population
> 80, ------ 5,000
75 - 80, ---- 3,000
70 - 74, ---- 7,000
65 - 69, ---- 10,000
60 - 64, ---- 11,000
55 - 59, ---- 16,000
50 - 54, ---- 20,000
45 - 49, ---- 27,000
40 - 44, ---- 29,000
35 - 39, ---- 41,000
30 - 34, ---- 43,000
25 - 29, ---- 62,000
20 - 24, ---- 90,000
15 - 19, ---- 130,000
10 - 14, ---- 140,000
5 - 9, ------ 137,000
0 - 4, ------ 135,000
542,000 which means more than 50% of the nationals population are under 20.
Gender segmintation
> 80, ------- 3,000 male, 2,000 female
75 - 80, ----- 2,000 male, 1,000 female
70 - 74, ----- 4,000 male, 3,000 female
65 - 69, ----- 6,000 male, 4,000 female
60 - 64, ----- 6,000 male, 5,000 female
55 - 59, ----- 9,000 male, 7,000 female
50 - 54, ----- 2011,000 male, 9,000 female
45 - 49, ----- 14,000 male, 13,000 female
40 - 44, ----- 14,000 male, 15,000 female
35 - 39, ----- 19,000 male, 22,000 female
30 - 34, ----- 21,000 male, 23,000 female
25 - 29, ---- 31,000 male, 31,000 female
20 - 24, ----- 45,000 male, 45,000 female
15 - 19, ----- 67,000 male, 62,000 female
10 - 14, ----- 73,000 male, 68,000 female
5 - 9, ------- 71,000 male, 66,000 female
0 - 4, ------- 70,000 male, 65,000 female
DarkBlueBoss June 25th, 2005, 08:24 AM very interesting . . .
ulb June 25th, 2005, 10:12 AM form 0-19 thie ris more male than female, then until the age of 29 the number is equal. then from 30 to 44 more female. interesting
dubaiflo June 25th, 2005, 10:50 AM i wonder why?
what could be the reason for that...weird...
but great to see that there are a lot of young emaratis
smussuw June 25th, 2005, 11:27 AM haha, Ive calculated again its 60% of the population are under 20.
That is because we have many children. :D :D
Dubai-Lover June 25th, 2005, 01:55 PM :eek:
in germany we have 60% of the population above 50 years or so! :lol:
DUBAI June 25th, 2005, 02:27 PM doesnt anyone else see that this might be a problem/ disaster
Dubai-Lover June 25th, 2005, 02:34 PM for the uae or germany? or for both? :D
a younger population always is a better one
smussuw June 25th, 2005, 02:36 PM ^^
:D :D
They are even working on giving more cash to encourage them to give more birth.
The UAE has huge resources with a low population so, I dont think that it will be a problem. I think we should think about it after 40 or 50 years but not now. Thats why I always say i'll have 10 :cheers:
DUBAI June 25th, 2005, 02:48 PM no no for the uae this is a big problem.
you never want a surge in population anywhere on the scale.
the uae falls far short of the resources nececary to cope with this. im surprised they havent done anything about it.
juiced June 25th, 2005, 02:51 PM DUBAI an ageing population is FAR worse than a younger population.
In the UK the pop is getting much older and lets face it, we are never ever going to see tax cuts, taxes are just going to get higher and higher!
DUBAI June 25th, 2005, 02:59 PM as opposed to social tensions, ecconomic collapse, and possibly leave the country flat broke.
smussuw June 25th, 2005, 03:00 PM DUBAI what the governments thinks is totally the way around.
I would start complaninig when the number of kids from 0 - 4 is 1 million.
WE NEED MORE PEOPLE.
juiced June 25th, 2005, 03:04 PM as opposed to social tensions, ecconomic collapse, and possibly leave the country flat broke.
social tensions and economic collapse from what though? and young people cannot leave a country broke, old people 1) stop working after a certain age so they cannot be taxed, tax which is used to improve the country's infrastructure and so on 2)need a pension which the government is supposed to provide.
Old people are a drain on resources, not the other way round!
DUBAI June 25th, 2005, 03:43 PM ok, we have a lot of young people who are reaching the age where a] they get a job or b] they study for qualifications.
the uae has a reasonably good number of university places, and their are more coming online. however this is good for a very limited number of people. say maximum 20%. the qualifications however are of a very narrow range. most of the universitys qualify people in some sort of busines degree. this again is good for some but bad on the larger scale. ok so if you dont want a business degree what do you do? you could go study overseas if you can afford it[or the govt could pay for you, but how many people can they afford to do this for?] however a large proportion of the population having studied overseas will develop social problems, they may become less idealistic, or perhaps have different ideas. even if their isnt tensions will enevitably arise.
well if your not going to a university, which will probably be around 70% of the populatio what do you do?
well everyone seems to be able to join the army. this is only a short term solution, as most soldiers will only stay in for 12 years tops, and a lot of armed forces personell find it hard to re adapt to society after they leave, aside form a lot of people not being qualified to work. how large an army does the country need? they are generaly very expensive, and cause political problems with neighbouring states when they are seen to get too large.
the UAE has little or no training in trades, where can people learn to weld, or be a plumber? this is a big area that will take in many people in most societys.
lots of people will begin to work once they leave school, starting at the bottom and working their way up the job ladder. this doesnt happen in the UAE though. many nationals dont want to or cant enter at the bottom. their are also social stigmas associated with it. the expatriot problem also plays a factor. if your looking to employ a window cleaner, do you want a national fresh out of school with no experience, or a employ a guy from india who has been washing windows for 30 years?
so where does this leave us? a large national population, largely unemployed and unqualified. where does this lead? cirme and extremism.
large burdens on the govt to provide welfare and housing. [large families will be unable to provide for their children] this combined with falling oil revenues in 10-20 years time creates economic problems for the country.
expatriots who have become settled will begin to gain rights, and will enevitably be given citizenship. they will resent the nationals who will appear to them as lazy, but who are realy stuck in a catch 22. any forms of taxation to support them could create problems, and by this tie their will be far more foreigners than nationals.
major problems.
smussuw June 25th, 2005, 04:00 PM I agree with most of what u said but this is only one view of the story.
I had a chat on yahoo with an indian who said that we should be gratefull to have them here and the locals are fu**ked up. So, am not into discussign that right now.
hehe.
juiced June 25th, 2005, 04:03 PM I'm not sure what you are trying to say by posting that smussuw. How does what he said affect what Dubai said when they are too different people?
smussuw June 25th, 2005, 04:14 PM This.. because I would start saying things that might ban me :D :D :D
It isnt about what DUBAI said. Its about what I would say regarding what DUBAI said being effected of what the other guy said. :runaway:
expatriots who have become settled will begin to gain rights, and will enevitably be given citizenship. they will resent the nationals who will appear to them as lazy, but who are realy stuck in a catch 22. any forms of taxation to support them could create problems, and by this tie their will be far more foreigners than nationals.
Citystyle July 1st, 2005, 09:04 PM Like Perth, sydney and brisban the whole metro is considerd the city. Dubai has a pritty small city as far as reach goes so i would sat 4 to 5 million people by 2015. That will include people past current areas.
Qatar4Ever July 2nd, 2005, 02:39 AM I think the less the ppl the city has the better i will be. 1.5 million withint 2015 sounds good enough !
Whats the local population of dubai ?
DarkBlueBoss July 2nd, 2005, 07:31 AM ^ that would be great
dubaiflo July 2nd, 2005, 12:58 PM 5 mil for 2015 could be .. it could be.
but only if everything runs proper..
you never know...
malec July 2nd, 2005, 01:01 PM I'd say 3 million in metro by then. 5 million is a bit too much I think.
AltinD July 3rd, 2005, 02:04 AM In the latest newspaper article, they mentioned 1.07 milion, however it seams that a census is being planed/prepared.
malec July 3rd, 2005, 02:12 AM In the latest newspaper article, they mentioned 1.07 milion, however it seams that a census is being planed/prepared.
Is that city or metro?
AltinD July 3rd, 2005, 09:01 PM There isn't any Dubai Metro that I know of. As far as I know Dubai is just the City, there isn't any other town or village as in case of other Emirates.
The number of people living outside the city is very very small.
dubaiflo July 3rd, 2005, 09:26 PM only some natives beduins maybe.
but you could consider deira, garhoud and burdubai / jumeirah as dubai city and arabian ranches or jebel ali , emirates living as metro maybe...
juiced July 3rd, 2005, 09:46 PM I would say Deira/Bur Dubai, Garhoud all the area near Emirates Towers is the city and anything outside such as Mirdiff, the Ranches, Jebel Ali as metro
AltinD July 3rd, 2005, 10:25 PM But wouldn't anything under Dubai Municipality ombrella considered CITY?
If not, would that mean that juiced isn't from Dubai at all?
dubaiflo July 3rd, 2005, 10:29 PM juiced IS not from dubai at all.
he does not even know where palm jebel ali is.
juiced July 3rd, 2005, 10:31 PM juiced IS not from dubai at all.
he does not even know where palm jebel ali is.
:lol: I am WELL aware of where the Palm Jebel Ali is. Was it not you who did not know where the Metropolitan Hotel was??
smussuw July 6th, 2005, 02:12 AM EDITED
smussuw July 6th, 2005, 02:19 AM well if your not going to a university, which will probably be around 70% of the populatio what do you do?
Regarding what u've said DUBAI. I`ve found some other interesting information.
Number of Emarati national students who attended the final exams in high schools was 14,607 students. 13,701 of them were accepted in both governmental universities, UAEU, Zayed University and Higher Technology colleges and private universities.
Which means 87% of the total number of local students who were graduated last year are going to have a higher degree than high school. Those statiscs are after the first examination try. It might go up to 94% after the second try. Which is considered as one of the highest percetages of attending colleges and universites degrees in the world. Only 6% arent going to have a university degree.
My other point is that the country already have many jobs. The only thing the country needs to do is to Emiritize (replace) the current jobs with locals for now.
It might be another case in future
source (http://www.alittihad.ae/archives/2005/07/06/n03.pdf)
ulb July 6th, 2005, 10:29 AM Which means 87% of the total number of local students who were graduated last year are going to have a higher degree than high school.
Does it mean that every body that enters the university will actually finish his studies and succeed?
I don’t know about the U.A.E but in Brussels where I’ve studied computer science the first year we had around 280 registered students but only 32 students made it to the next level.
smussuw July 6th, 2005, 10:37 AM ^
Of course not all will succeed but it isnt exactly like brussel for sure. Maybe 5% to 10% will change their major others will go out but it woundnt be like 32 pass out of 280.
ulb July 6th, 2005, 11:15 AM Would be interesting to know the percentage of failure when it comes to engineering majors, also I am wondering how many people choose to study mathematics?
juiced July 6th, 2005, 01:10 PM The stats for those that actually complete the course would be interesting.
smussuw July 6th, 2005, 05:03 PM I dont have statistcs but from what I've seen almost all of them pass. Some stay up to 6 to 8 years in college but they still finish.
Qatar4Ever July 8th, 2005, 06:17 AM I think the UAE and the Gulf in general has a very high percentage of students who attend university. Im pretty sure at least 60% of ppl in the GCC countries graduate from university.
Im suprised to see the number very high in the UAE, over 80%, good for you UAE. This just show the coming generations of UAE are going to be more qualified then the previous generation. Also with a very young population who will all enter the job market in the next ten years, i think the UAE will be fine.
mohammad July 8th, 2005, 06:55 AM UAE does need more people. The country is swarmed with foreigners, its about time the locals are encouraged to have children.
As for the statements about Germany, the country is currently facing a loss of population and this wont be good for anybody. This also means less people are in the liable age of being in the workforce. Its also considered a racial suicide for the Aryan ethnicity.
Skyland July 8th, 2005, 08:06 AM With respect to Germany, dont worry - we are not going to die out. We just have a time of slow growth, but nothing goes on forever - the growth will pick up soon. For now we are compensating with immigrants who enrich our culture and society. Currently the society and the economy is adapting to the needs of the working women (e.g. doing more office work from home, providing kindergartens in the companies etc.). It just will take about 10-15 more years until you will see a higher growth rate. Moreover there is no Aryan ethnicity in Germany - we are all Germans with different genetic patterns. The Aryan theory is a myth made up by simple-minded people (Mohammed, I dont mean you of course as you might just have repeated it). Anyway, Germans are derived mostly from Romans, Celts, Slavic and Germanic tribes. What unites us is our language and music e.g. Goethe, Schiller, Bach, Beethoven etc. which is currently enriched by the culture of the immigrants from Turkey (cinema and food) and other European (Italy, Eastern Europe) as well as Asian countries (Afghanistan, Iran (e.g. doctors), Korea, Vietnam). If you want to get to know German ethnicity go to a Theater or Philharmonic hall - there you find the very heart of Germany. Of course we define ourselves as well through our good and bad history - but definitely not through our genetic patterns. From a genetical point of view Germany is one of the most diverse countries as it is in the middle of Europe where all kind of different tribes walked through over thousands of years - just check recent genetic studies based on Mitochondrial and Y-Chromosome research. In conclusion, the world's biggest exporting country, one of the most developed countries in the world is not committing "suicide". This is more popular with other country's people as we unfortunately saw in London yesterday. We Germans like being sarcastic as well - ooops.
Anyway good luck to the UAE - I love its diversity.
juiced July 8th, 2005, 10:22 AM UAE does need more people. The country is swarmed with foreigners, its about time the locals are encouraged to have children.
As for the statements about Germany, the country is currently facing a loss of population and this wont be good for anybody. This also means less people are in the liable age of being in the workforce. Its also considered a racial suicide for the Aryan ethnicity.
Aryan ethnicity? What are you on? :bash:
mohammad July 10th, 2005, 03:35 AM With respect to Germany, dont worry - we are not going to die out. We just have a time of slow growth, but nothing goes on forever - the growth will pick up soon. For now we are compensating with immigrants who enrich our culture and society. Currently the society and the economy is adapting to the needs of the working women (e.g. doing more office work from home, providing kindergartens in the companies etc.). It just will take about 10-15 more years until you will see a higher growth rate. Moreover there is no Aryan ethnicity in Germany - we are all Germans with different genetic patterns. The Aryan theory is a myth made up by simple-minded people (Mohammed, I dont mean you of course as you might just have repeated it). Anyway, Germans are derived mostly from Romans, Celts, Slavic and Germanic tribes. What unites us is our language and music e.g. Goethe, Schiller, Bach, Beethoven etc. which is currently enriched by the culture of the immigrants from Turkey (cinema and food) and other European (Italy, Eastern Europe) as well as Asian countries (Afghanistan, Iran (e.g. doctors), Korea, Vietnam). If you want to get to know German ethnicity go to a Theater or Philharmonic hall - there you find the very heart of Germany. Of course we define ourselves as well through our good and bad history - but definitely not through our genetic patterns. From a genetical point of view Germany is one of the most diverse countries as it is in the middle of Europe where all kind of different tribes walked through over thousands of years - just check recent genetic studies based on Mitochondrial and Y-Chromosome research. In conclusion, the world's biggest exporting country, one of the most developed countries in the world is not committing "suicide". This is more popular with other country's people as we unfortunately saw in London yesterday. We Germans like being sarcastic as well - ooops.
Anyway good luck to the UAE - I love its diversity.
Hey Skyland,
Im sorry I didnt try to sound racist. I dont know much about Germany and my understanding is that its biggest ethnic group is the Aryan race. But I may also be wrong, so thanks for pointing this out to me.
Anyways, regardless of what background you come from, having a negative population is always bad and should change. Im going to trust what you say and I certainly do hope that Germany wont go through this negative phase for a long period of time.
As for Emirates, Im still happy to hear about the encouragement of having more children. This, in many ways, strengthens the country and boosts the economical standards (especially with job contributions). Ofcourse, many things have their downsides but hopefully Emirates and Germany will have good news in the coming future. :)
Skyland July 10th, 2005, 05:12 AM Ok, thanks for understanding. Just to explain you: There is no such thing as the "Aryan" race. This was made up by Adolf Hitler and the other criminals as a justification to kill 6+ million people of all ethnicity but mostly Jewish and Catholic Poles. In fact if you want to inform yourself scientifically, there is broad consensus in the scientific community that there is not enough scientific evidence to divide up the species "homo sapiens" into different races.
Anyway, I hope to come to the UAE soon - it is exciting to experience the fast growth - and you should visit Germany to make yourself a picture about this very complex country.
Abu Dhabi Boy July 30th, 2006, 01:19 PM Total Population = 4,104,695
Non-Citizens = 3,242,709
Citizens = 861,986 ( only 21% of total population )
Jul 30, 2006 - 02:41 -
Abu Dhabi, July 30th,2006 (WAM) -- Total number of UAE population stood at 4.104,695, Minister of Economy Sheikha Lubna Al Qasimi announced today at a press conference.
The figure revealed by the minister sums up the preliminary results of the General Census for Population, Housing and Establishments as conducted on 6 December 2005.
The results show that the total number of UAE's population has risen by 74.8 per cent compared to the last census conducted in 1995 when the number touched 2,411,041, said Sheikh Lubna in reply to a question by WAM
Wind Spokesperson July 30th, 2006, 01:34 PM Looking forward to hearing the quote on Dubai.
Naz UK July 30th, 2006, 01:38 PM It's got to double again in the next 10 years, to fulfil the huge influx of new apartments and villas. But that's not taking into account the expected increase in tourism.
guy_in_dubai July 30th, 2006, 02:34 PM i bet dubai is a third of that
Shad July 31st, 2006, 01:40 AM Citizens = 861,986 ( only 21% of total population )
Strange!
zee July 31st, 2006, 01:52 AM ^^why is that strange? its common sense that the citizens are going to be less than non citizens
i bet dubai is a third of that
i think its a quarter
Wind Spokesperson July 31st, 2006, 07:29 AM Dubai's population is 1.2 million.
dubai888 July 31st, 2006, 07:37 AM Population preliminary results 2005
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Nationals
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Male 418,057
Female 406,864
Total 824921
Non-nationals
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Male 2,128,986
female 815,173
total 2,944,159
Total
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Male 2,547,043
female 1222037
total *3,769,080
* This number does not include 335,615 that are not counted in the census.
Population preliminary results 2005 by emirate
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Emirates total (%)
Abu Dhabi ----1,292,119 ----(34.3%)
Dubai ----1,200,309 -------(31.9%)
Sharjah ---- 724,859 ------(19.2%)
Ajman ---- 189,849 --------(5%)
Umm Al Quwain -- 45,756 --(1.2%)
Ras Al Khaimah ---- 197,571 (5.2%)
Fujairah ---- 118,617 ------(3.1%)
Total ---- *3,769,080
* This number does not include 335,615 that are not counted in the census.
Preliminary results of Buildings, Housings and Establishments 2005
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Emirates ------Buildings ----Housing Units - Establishments
Abu Dhabi ----117,469 ---- 287,189 ------ 50,425
Dubai ---------79,214 ---- 237,728 ------ 73,294
Sharjah -------57,153 ---- 201,033 ------- 36,584
Ajman ------- 17,898 ----- 50,237 -------- 11,427
Umm Al Quwain- 8,741 -----10,988 ------- 2,238
Ras Al Khaimah - 40,143 ---50,321 -------12,016
Fujairah --------16,197 ----26,364-------6,263
Total ---------- 336,810--- 863,860---192,247 ----
dubai888 July 31st, 2006, 08:10 AM according to these numbers and GDP results...
-------GDP 2005 ----GDP per capita 2005
UAE
W. Rank---37 ---------20
AED-----485b-------118k AED
USD-----132b $-------32k $
Abu Dhabi
AED-----302b------233,492 AED
USD-----82.2b $------63.5k $
smussuw July 31st, 2006, 09:39 AM yay, our GDP per capita is $32,000
smussuw July 31st, 2006, 11:13 AM With the official announcement of the results of the single largest country-wide census yesterday, the UAE now has vital benchmark data on its society, population and economy in hand to plan future development.
The ambitious project that was officially launched by Sheikha Lubna Al Qasimi, Minister of Economy and Planning, on May 29 last year, was lauded as the most important statistical undertaking ever, highlighting the UAE’s economic, social and demographic dimensions.
“Results from Tedad 2005 will aid economic growth as it will allow both the public as well as the private sector to allocate their resources so that they achieve maximum efficiency. Marketers can target their customers in a much more focused manner; the financial community can create more flexible investment options and the manufacturing, services and trading sectors can arrive at more reliable forecasts of demand,” Hafsa Abdullah Al Ulama was quoted as saying.
The General Census of Population, Housing and Establishment for the year 2005, spearheaded by the Ministry of Economy and Planning in partnership with Dubai Municipality and private and public sector organisations was undertaken in two phases: the first phase got under way on September 3, 2005, and calibrated the types of businesses, buildings and residential units as well as flats.
The second phase of head counting began on December 6 and saw thousands of Tedad enumerators fanning out to visit individual houses in designated administrative urban and rural zones across the UAE to collect vital information about the occupants.
The census questionnaire asked details on people’s names, age and relation of all members with the head of the family, nationalities and duration of residence (for expatriates), educational, marital and professional status, details of family members with special needs and disabilities (wherever applicable) and data related to number of computer devices and internet connections.
With an aim to reach out to the maximum number of people, this year the census was conducted in Urdu and Malayalam apart from English and Arabic. Moreover, the ministry had assured citizens and residents alike that the data divulged to the Tedad enumerators would be treated as confidential in accordance with the Census Law No. 9 passed in 1974, and would not be used to assess their legal status in the country.
The Higher Census Authority also designed a website www.tedad.ae, which showcased all the information and progress on the nationwide initiative.
This year’s census was also unique in that it featured the use of satellite technology to demarcate areas and identify buildings and locations, a state-ofthe-art technology called the Personal Digital Assistant to facilitate easy and precise tabulation of data.
smussuw July 31st, 2006, 11:18 AM The UAE’s population stands at more than 4.1 million according to the fifth census of the seven-emirate federation since its inception in 1971, preliminary results released yesterday show.
The total number of people is 4,104,695, Minister of Economy and Planning Sheikha Lubna Al Qasimi said in Abu Dhabi.
UAE nationals form 20.1 per cent of the population according to Tedad 2005, and the expatriate population has grown to 79.9 per cent, or 3,296,774 million.
Of the total local population, males slightly out-number females. There are 418,057 (50.7 per cent) males against 406,864 (49.3 per cent) females in the country.
According to the census results, there are 51.1 per cent UAE nationals in the under20 age category and 38.1 per cent in the below-14 age category as compared to the 48.8 per cent of expatriates in the 25-40 age category.
More than half of the total population of the UAE (52.9 per cent) falls between the age group of 20-39, according to the official figures.
Out of the 31.5 per cent of the population that has a high school certificate, 23.8 per cent are non-UAE nationals.
Eleven per cent of UAE nationals possess a bachelor’s degree whereas 18.4 per cent of expatriates have the same academic qualification.
Sheikha Lubna noted that while undertaking the census, some categories among expatriates, amounting to a total of 335,625, were excluded, such as children of resident families who were out of the country when the census was carried out, as well as people with expired UAE visas.
However, certain sections of society, such as prisoners, juvenile delinquents, those in hospitals and old age homes were all included.
The first phase of the census, which surveyed buildings and other business enterprises, shows that the UAE has a total of 336,815 buildings, 117,469 (34.9 per cent) in Abu Dhabi alone.
About 60.8 per cent of the total 863,860 residential buildings are located in Abu Dhabi and Dubai.
Dubai topped the list in the number of establishments, with 38.1 per cent of the total 192,247 buildings.
“It is the biggest census ever undertaken in the UAE and the compiled data will help both the government and private bodies in the formulation of policies, understanding the demographics of the country and undertaking social studies and research,” said Sheikha Lubna.
“The census will also help in introducing policies for development of national human resources and enhancing the role of women in the economic sector,” she added.
The first country-wide census was conducted in the UAE in 1974 by the Central Administration of Statistics of the Ministry of Planning.
Subsequently, other nationwide censuses were held in 1985, 1990 and 1995.
The first-ever census in the UAE was undertaken in the then Trucial States in 1968, and then a separate one was held in Abu Dhabi in 1971.
malec July 31st, 2006, 11:52 AM I thought there'd be more people in dubai, something like 1.6 million or so.
smussuw July 31st, 2006, 12:23 PM ^^ that is what u expect when people raise the population by hunderds of thousands every couple of months ;)
malec July 31st, 2006, 12:36 PM btw, do these figures include the 100000s of workers?
smussuw July 31st, 2006, 01:16 PM ^^ it should
dubaiflo July 31st, 2006, 03:42 PM 1,2m only in Dubai, that is rather weird.
YeMeNi_guy July 31st, 2006, 06:45 PM i hope uae populatiom doesnt get tooo much cause then the gdp per capita will go down
YeMeNi_guy July 31st, 2006, 06:46 PM i hope uae population doesnt get tooo much cause then the gdp per capita will go down
YeMeNi_guy July 31st, 2006, 06:47 PM ^^ ooooooooooooooooops
smussuw July 31st, 2006, 06:54 PM ^^ We were basing our figure on wrong numbers anyway. They were saying that our population was over 4 million since 2002
Wind Spokesperson August 1st, 2006, 06:51 AM Yes its way below the expectation and previous estimation which was partly used to justify the volume of construction.
Dubai was said to be closer to 1.5 by many people, but 1.2 is way more rational and the UAE was said to have touched 5!
luv2bebrown August 1st, 2006, 07:05 AM who are hte "365000" that werent counted. im very surprised at the census results. common sense when looking at the increased congestion in the city in the past few years tells me Dubai's population is more than 1.2 million.
Dubai-Lover August 1st, 2006, 02:32 PM this can't be true
1.2 million?
it should be much much more
smussuw August 1st, 2006, 02:55 PM DUBAI November 2004 the population was 1.07 million
http://vgn.dm.gov.ae/DMEGOV/dm-mp-content/0,1315,,00.html?articleid=2759
AltinD August 1st, 2006, 04:21 PM Tens of Thousands of peoples were not counted, becouse the Inspectors failed to visit their premisses, or they were never home when they went.
Also there are tens of thousands of others that lives in the city but are not legal residents such people in visit visas who just kept renewing them or westerners who work here but doesn't have a residence permit.
Be assure that the categories above have avoided being interviewed.
AltinD August 1st, 2006, 05:03 PM GROWING TO FAST
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Published on: Tuesday, 1st August, 2006
The massive population growth in the UAE shown by the newly released General Census results, could place serious strain on education and health systems in the country if it continues at such a rate, economists warn. The 2005 UAE census, released on Sunday, showed an annual population increase of 7.5 per cent over the past ten years, which is three times that of the global average of 2.5 per cent, said Dr. Ahmed Samerai, an independent economist.
The population increase, driven mainly by expats, has increased demand for housing and driven up rents by up to 400 per cent over the last few years, while salaries have generally lagged behind the escalating cost of living. “Normally, this combination would encourage people to go back home or look for work elsewhere. However, the UAE’s stability, world-class services and relatively cheap food, have kept residents who would rather pay higher rents and save less than go back to countries like Lebanon, Iraq or Pakistan,” Dr Samerai told 7DAYS.
So far, population growth has not affected the UAE’s desirability as a work destination, but that could change if if the rate remains this high. “Education and health would be the first to suffer with schools getting booked very fast and higher education costs going up. And fewer doctors per resident will also drives up medical costs,” Dr Samerai added.
And while some may take the growth to mirror a robust and vibrant economy, others fear it could squeeze the middle class and lead to social problems especially with the widening gap between men and women among the expatriate population. The male-female ratio among expats stands at 72.3 per cent males to 27.7 per cent females according to the census. The massive difference is due to the large number of low-pay workers who cannot afford to bring their families to live with them in the UAE.
UAE law stipulates that workers earning less than dhs4,000 a month can not have visas for their families which prevents hundreds of thousands of labourers and blue collar workers from bringing their spouses and families here. And while immigration officials say they are aware of the importance of uniting families and workers for emotional and psychological stability, this is not always possible.
“With the escalating cost of living, we see more and more middle class workers who prefer to leave their families back home where their children can get good education for a fraction of the cost and enjoy higher living standards than they would here,” says Lieutenant Rashid Bakheet, the deputy director of Dubai’s department of Naturalisation and Residency. Dubai’s police said that despite the massive gap between men and women among the expat population, sexual crime remains very low in the UAE. Brigadier Abdul-Jaleel Mahdi, head of protective safety at Dubai police attributed that to tough laws and effective police work. The Ministry of Economy, which conducted the census, will also carry out several statistical surveys, including labour force, economic, environmental and household income in 2007, said Arif Al Mehairi, director of statistics at Dubai Municipality.
“That would help us figure out how the population increase has affected the quality of life and aid in formulating economic and social policies for the upcoming years,” he added.
http://www.7days.ae/2006/08/01/growing-too-fast.html
AltinD August 1st, 2006, 05:07 PM ... Dubai’s police said that despite the massive gap between men and women among the expat population, sexual crime remains very low in the UAE. Brigadier Abdul-Jaleel Mahdi, head of protective safety at Dubai police attributed that to tough laws and effective police work.
Yeah right :hilarious:
Mark Warner 2008 August 10th, 2006, 09:14 AM 1995: 2.411.000
2005: 3.769.000
4,6% annual growth per year :shocked: I thought it would be around 5 million by 2005. Even Nevada is growing at the same rate :) LOL
Mark Warner 2008 August 10th, 2006, 09:34 AM Was the 2.411.000 in 1995 the total population or the enumarated population ?
smussuw August 13th, 2006, 05:33 PM ^^ what is the difference?
the population in 2005 is 4.1 and not 3.7
SunnyDeol August 14th, 2006, 12:57 AM dubai is much smaller then i thought. even Riyadh is much bigger its population is over 5 million. UAE is really small country
Califoreigner August 14th, 2006, 10:21 AM I have heard estimates that Dubai will reach 3 million by 2017. Is this accurate? If so, Dubai is probably the fastest growing city in the world.
smussuw August 14th, 2006, 10:42 AM ^^ I believe that the population raises by 8% every year.
Face81 August 14th, 2006, 01:06 PM dubai is much smaller then i thought. even Riyadh is much bigger its population is over 5 million. UAE is really small country
^^ Bugger off! :bash:
Effer August 14th, 2006, 06:26 PM Why aren't there a lot of citizens?
SunnyDeol August 15th, 2006, 05:13 AM i have a question, is the 1.2 million Abu dhabi pop is it of the city or the whole emirate?
Xusein August 15th, 2006, 05:25 AM Getting bigger I see...
Still smaller than Somalia, though... ;)
SunnyDeol August 15th, 2006, 05:29 AM ^ and your point????
SunnyDeol August 15th, 2006, 05:33 AM The thing that surpirses me about this is that i thought a lot people were moving to dubai because of the boom in the last 5 years or so but i guess i was wrong, i was expecting dubai's pop to be atleast around 1.8 million. If you compare Riyadh population to dubai in the last 10 years, Riyadh is much higher. in 1995 Riyadh had a population of 2.5 million, in 2005 Riyadh has a population of 5.1 million. Dubai in 1995 was only 674101 and now its 1.2 million
luv2bebrown August 15th, 2006, 06:11 AM just out of curiosity, were all you UAE forumers (living in UAE) counted in teh Census? i have many friends whose families were never visited by census takers.
dubai888 August 15th, 2006, 10:25 AM for those of thought dubai population is higher >>>>
Did you think about it.... these figures count the people living in dubai..
Everyday ... there are 400,000 cars coming and going to/out of dubai ...
did u think about it ??
people living in Shj, Ajman, Rak and working/shopping/entertaining in dubai ?
people visiting Dubai from Abu Dhabi and other emirates on daily basis ??
your indications were all based on road traffic and number of cars i assume ... that's why you think about 1.5 Million figures
Sandboy August 15th, 2006, 01:37 PM how many living in Dubai are employed in construction and what happens when it's finished and they all bugger off ? :runaway:
AltinD August 16th, 2006, 07:37 PM I was counted but very late.
I don't bother to ever respond to someone ringing the bell, if I'm not excpacting anybody, same with the ringing residence phone, and I'm sure many do the same. I responded to the door, becouse I thought the Census Inspectors might be ringin the bell.
During the day people are at work, they certanly don't stay at home to be counted, plus even if they have family, the wifees normally don't open the door to strangers. Once the Police came to my neighbours becouse someone was hit by something they have thrown from the window, and the wife was not opening the door to the Police, claiming her husband was out and he always lock her inside the home, not living a key. Of course after the police left she opened the door to meet the other next-door neighbour, that was all the time spying from behind her own door.
How I know this? I returned home when the Police was there.
I have said since the beginning, many people will not be counted. As I have always said that apartments buildings without lights do NOT mean they have no tenants.
AltinD August 16th, 2006, 07:39 PM for those of thought dubai population is higher >>>>
Did you think about it.... these figures count the people living in dubai..
Everyday ... there are 400,000 cars coming and going to/out of dubai ...
did u think about it ??
people living in Shj, Ajman, Rak and working/shopping/entertaining in dubai ?
...
Almost all of those people are Dubai Residents , meaning have Dubai Residence Visa.
Krazy August 29th, 2006, 02:21 PM Statistics Centre: Dubai's population is 1,241,000
Dubai's population hit 1,241,000 (one million two hundred forty one thousand) as on 30 June 2006.
Of the total population, 73 per cent or 911,000 are male and 27 per cent or 330,000 are female.
These and a lot of significant statistics were announced by Dubai Municipality's Statistics Centre in a half-yearly bulletin titled "Dubai in Figures."
The bulletin pointed out that there were 5859 births in Dubai's government hospital during the first half of this year, of these 2933 were male and 2926 female.
Land deals worth Dhs 22.9 billion were carried out in Dubai during the period under review while 1128 buildings were completed at a cost of Dhs 5.579 billion, of which 207 investment buildings, 710 residential buildings, and 211 buildings were meant for recreational, service and industrial purposes.
The total number of airline trips at Dubai International Airport during the first six months of this year was 116,543 carrying a total of 13.76 million passengers, of whom 6.67 million were arrivals and 6.63 million were departures. There were 457,000 transit passengers.
The total number of public transport buses in Dubai as on 30 June 2006 is 415 which carried some 43.87 million passengers during the first half of this year.
In Dubai, there are a total of 302 hotels that consists 30,648 rooms and recorded during the period under review a total of 2,652,771 guests. The total number of nights spent by the guests was 6,737,791 and the overall occupancy rate was 75.5 per cent.
There were 111 hotel apartments in Dubai as on 30 June which offer a total of 8652 apartments and had a total of 467,890 guests during the period under review, with the total nights of stay being 1,623,750 and the occupancy rate 71.1 per cent.
The total number of stocks traded in the Dubai Financial Market during this period was 21.75 billion that were worth Dhs 218.44 billion. The Dubai International Stock Exchange registered the transaction of some 11.7 million shares worth Dhs 87.29 million.
During the period under review, 5,769 new trade licenses were issued in Dubai. Other interesting figures for the first six months of this year included 68 exhibitions and conferences with a total of 457,541 visitors and delegates; and 81,594 vehicles registered.
Dubai has more than 2.71 million telephone lines now, of which 2.3 million are mobile telephone lines and 535,995 land phone and fax lines. The number of Internet lines is 173,155 in addition to 482 telex lines.
Dubai imported goods worth Dhs 163.58 billion during the first half of this year, while the export figures stood at Dhs 50.59 billion and the re-export figures were Dhs 39.87 billion.
The municipality collected over 6.5 million tonnes of waste in the first six months of this year, the bulletin said. It added that the total green area in the city has reached 141,755 square metres.
dubaiflo August 29th, 2006, 02:44 PM :sleepy:
how disappointing.. on the other hand.. more space for growth.
malec August 29th, 2006, 02:59 PM Is it possible that the population's actually higher but they don't want to release the real figures so the local population don't get scared about becoming such a minority?
huit August 29th, 2006, 03:17 PM Woah! That male-female ratio is alarming!!!
Krazy August 29th, 2006, 03:22 PM ^^ im sure the ratio is what it is because of the huge amount of construction workers and other laborers
DG August 29th, 2006, 03:39 PM I think it is beyond construction workers. Most male foreigners (employees) settle in the UAE without bringing their families, it is not a healthy growth, the government should act immediately to solve this mess.
Krazy August 29th, 2006, 03:50 PM ^^ if the wages are going to be so low that qualified executives are gonna have only enough money to pay for a single room or "bed space", how do you expect them to bring their families from their home countries? I have seen people with bachelors and masters degress living in sharing accomodation, most of the time just with one bed, in areas like mankhool, karama and deira.
There's a lot more to Dubai than just the supertalls of SZR.
smussuw August 29th, 2006, 03:53 PM double post :bash:
Stephan23 August 29th, 2006, 04:02 PM I think, we need a few more 100f+ towers, because of this :D:D:D:D:D:D::D:D:D
smussuw August 29th, 2006, 04:05 PM Our population increased by 40,000 in 6 months
Is it possible that the population's actually higher but they don't want to release the real figures so the local population don't get scared about becoming such a minority?
maybe but then again it cant be proved.
We shouldnt forget the illegals who escpaed from their sponsers. That is about 3000 in Dubai alone. Make the calculations.
Guys if u havent noticed. The census didnt provide us with the number of nationals in each Emirate and their percentage. Infact they didnt say anything about the nationalities except the over all percentage between the locals and the expats.
smussuw August 29th, 2006, 04:18 PM That is for the whole UAE, the most accurate information ever existed about the labourers in the UAE I would assume
DUBAI — A total of 202 different nationalities exist in the labour market, according to the Under-Secretary of the Ministry of Labour, Dr Khalid Al Khazraji.
The country has one of the highest rates in the world so far as the diversity of foreign nationalities is concerned, said Dr Al Khazraji.
He asserted that the diversity reflects a good investment environment.
An official at the Ministry of Labour said that five new nationalities — from east and south of Africa — have joined the labour market.
The number of expatriate workers reached 2.6 million by the end of the first half of this year, the official said.
Indian expatriates alone account for nearly 45 per cent of the total number of employees being brought in since the beginning of this year.
Indians make up 50 per cent of the total number of employees working for the private sector while Pakistanis account for 18 per cent and Bangladeshis 6, the official added.
As for Arab expatriates, the percentage varied between 15 and 16.
malec August 29th, 2006, 05:30 PM In a lot of ways it's good the population isn't rising that fast but it does mean there's pretty much no sense at all behind most of the projects. Take the marina and JLT for example, together they're designed to house over 200,000 people, if only 80,000 move here in a year (most of them can't afford an apartment here) then there's no way that in 5 years time the towers won't be sitting empty. If this is the case then what chance do business bay, all the res projects at dubailand, world central and the waterfront have?
Also where do they get all the predictions from (the ones that say that in 10 years the population will be 4 million)? It might be better if a crash happened now, cancelling a good few projects rather than later when the city has a million empty apartments sitting there collecting dust.
smussuw August 29th, 2006, 06:05 PM The average population increase rate was about 8% in the last 10 years. That is a huge growth, I dont think that we need a higher rate. I got ur point though.
Mark Warner 2008 August 29th, 2006, 07:24 PM The thing that surpirses me about this is that i thought a lot people were moving to dubai because of the boom in the last 5 years or so but i guess i was wrong, i was expecting dubai's pop to be atleast around 1.8 million. If you compare Riyadh population to dubai in the last 10 years, Riyadh is much higher. in 1995 Riyadh had a population of 2.5 million, in 2005 Riyadh has a population of 5.1 million. Dubai in 1995 was only 674101 and now its 1.2 million
No, the population of Riad Region was
Official Census 1992: 3.834.986
Official Census 2004: 5.455.363 - means 2,98% annual growth
The population of Riad City was
Official Census 1992: 2.776.096
Official Census 2004: 4.087.152 - means 3,28% annual growth
The population of Dubai Emirate was
Official Census 1995: 689.420
Official Census 2005: 1.200.309 - means 5,7 % annual growth
So, Dubai, is growing by far faster than Riad.
go to: http://www.citypopulation.de/cities.html if you like to see the data
Mark Warner 2008 August 29th, 2006, 07:32 PM ^^ what is the difference?
the population in 2005 is 4.1 and not 3.7
No, then in 1995 there too must have been 2 population figures of the UAE. Maybe the 1995 figure was 2,6 million or 2,7 million and not 2,41 million. Where are the 200.000 or 300.000 people uncounted in 1995 ?
When we compare the 2,41 mio. in 1995 and the 3,77 mio. counted in 2005, it´s an annual growth rate of 4,6%.
Mark Warner 2008 August 29th, 2006, 07:43 PM The average population increase rate was about 8% in the last 10 years. That is a huge growth, I dont think that we need a higher rate. I got ur point though.
Dubai´s population growth wasn´t 8% in the last 10 years, it recognized 5,7% annual growth.
dubaiflo August 29th, 2006, 08:06 PM malec there is still no point in cancelling project as long as they are sold and sold and developers make money with them.
why should any developer stop launching towers as long as they can earn money.
i get your point but u forget 2nd and 3rd home owners and investors.
those "empty" apartments are desperately needed so that prices and especially RENTS will finally fall, so that more people can afford to buy or rent places and perhaps even bring their families, which would on the one hand increase population but also change the male - female ratio.
yusef August 29th, 2006, 11:36 PM What a bloody mess. And the male/female ratio is pathetic!
Dubai isn't even part of Arabia no longer demographically speaking. Why doesn't the UAE get workers from Lebanon, Egypt, Algeria?
I understand that workers from countries like India and Pakistan would be cheaper than the above mentioned countries, but Arabs are becoming a minority in their own country and that's just sad.
DG August 30th, 2006, 12:43 AM ^ so true, and painful fact.
Tom_Green September 12th, 2006, 10:48 PM 4 mio people?!
One week ago i was in a city with 5 times more citizen :D
But Dubai feels big, much bigger then 1.2 mio.
If Dubais population continues to grow with 8% we will see 100.000 new people next year in Dubai.
It would be great if Dubais population would grow by 8% the next 50 years.
55mio people in 2056.........yeah!! :D
Krazy September 12th, 2006, 10:53 PM ^^ lol, I hope not
Krazy December 8th, 2006, 02:15 AM 74 per cent of Dubai population are men
Dubai’s population reached 1,321,453, according to the latest census conducted on population, residential units and establishments in the emirate. Of the total population, 74.86 per cent or 989,305 are male and 25.14 per cent or 332,148 are female.
The statistics were announced by Dubai Statistics Centre, which said that the increase in the male population reflects the increased pace of construction and economic activities, for which a huge number of unskilled labourers are brought to Dubai.
The 2005 census also revealed that the majority comprise of people in the age group of 30-34 years.This category amounted to 256,638 people or 19.42 per cent.
The same category had 139,106 people in 2000, an increase of 84.49 per cent in the last five years.
The next big category was in the age group of 25-29 years. This group included 256,384 people or 19.40 per cent. This category had 136,622 people in 2000, which shows that there has been an increase of 87.66 percent in the last five years.
People in the age group of 35-39 years form the third big category. This group’s population is 195,987 or 14.83 per cent. The same category had 126,490 people in 2000, which shows that there has been an increase of 54.94 per cent in the last five years.
The reason behind the increased population in these categories is attributed to the big leap in the construction and economic projects that require foreign labour force in big numbers.
DG December 8th, 2006, 02:29 AM in additional to construction workers,
most of male foreign employees (especially Arabs and South Asians) prefer not to bring their wives and children to the country, obviously to save money.
Krazy December 8th, 2006, 02:32 AM ^^ most of them dont get paid enuff to be able to support their families... what do u expect when they get paid 4-5000 dhs per month which does not even cover the rent for a decent apartment? no one wants to willingly live without their families
Dubai_Steve December 8th, 2006, 02:46 AM Why not bring your wife and let her work also and share the rent together.
Krazy December 8th, 2006, 02:48 AM ^^ many times it's not in their culture for the wife to work... many times they are not educated enuff to find a decent job...
Dubai_Steve December 8th, 2006, 02:57 AM Well if they want to survive in Dubai I think they need to change their ways and we could do with some more women in Dubai to stop the 'Diera Stare'.
Krazy December 8th, 2006, 03:13 AM how many emirati housewives work?
_BPS_ December 8th, 2006, 03:15 AM Well if they want to survive in Dubai I think they need to change their ways and we could do with some more women in Dubai to stop the 'Diera Stare'.
Or may be the employers need to change their ways (i.e. raise salaries).
Dubai_Steve December 8th, 2006, 03:23 AM It is normal and necessary that both husband and wife work in order to be able to afford a home for the majority of people in Europe because of the high prices of housing.
Krazy December 8th, 2006, 03:28 AM one key difference is that these under paid men are not from europe buy from countries were women are not really educated enuff for skilled labor jobs... secondly, even if they wanted to get their families over to dubai many of them are not allowed to by law since their salaries do not exceed the minimum level reqired by dubai's govt to sponsor ur family's visa... thirdly it's not like the emirati culture itself sets an example of the family's women working
i repeat once again.. no one wants to willingly live away from their loved ones.. I've met men who haven't even seen the faces of their own children ever because their children were born while they were working in the UAE and their employers don't give them vacation time for years to visit their home countries
_BPS_ December 8th, 2006, 03:32 AM ^^ Sad.
Are there any plans to remove this problem?
luv2bebrown December 8th, 2006, 03:37 AM ^^
firstly im not sure if the govt thinks of it as a "problem." all i konw is that they anticipate masses of single male unskilled laborers to leave the country once the construction boom is over. secondly, the masses of new immigrants are mostly middle class and have the ability to sponsor their families.
Krazy December 8th, 2006, 03:41 AM ^^ good point but I was talking about the thousands of men who works as public and private drivers, at gas stations, cleaners, cooks, clerks etc... these men are not "temporarily based" in the country and deserve a better standard of living (not to say that the temporary laborers don't)
luv2bebrown December 8th, 2006, 03:44 AM im confident the market will fix that. the vast majority of these men are from the subcontinent. with india booming as it as (and currently salaries in dubai for these people are now only slightly better in relative terms than salaries in india), soon wages in india will rise to the point where dubai will have to pay these people more. once that happens perhaps they can then possibly bring their families over.
_BPS_ December 8th, 2006, 03:47 AM im confident the market will fix that. the vast majority of these men are from the subcontinent. with india booming as it as (and currently salaries in dubai for these people are now only slightly better in relative terms than salaries in india), soon wages in india will rise to the point where dubai will have to pay these people more. once that happens perhaps they can then possibly bring their families over.
I don't think that that is gonna happen anytime soon.
Krazy December 8th, 2006, 03:51 AM I dont think there is a quick solution to this... people need to be educated and they need to change the way they think... if only they dig deep down into their own cultural and religious teachings
luv2bebrown December 8th, 2006, 03:52 AM ^^ in the last 10 years alone wages in India have risen to the point where Dubai was finding it difficult to recruit workers from india earlier this year simply because given the low salaries and travel expenses/fees, it did not make financial sense for workers to come here. in another 5-10 years, i can definitely envision low wage workers in india see significant wage increases. dubai will have to adjust
Krazy December 8th, 2006, 03:57 AM ^^ India isn't the only place to hunt for cheap labor... therez also Nepal, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh etc... infact the last time I was in the UAE, most of the men I spoke to who were facing such problems were not from India
docc December 8th, 2006, 05:34 AM The problem is that there is no such thing as a minimum wage system. Also there is no balance between the cost of living and Salaries in Dubai. I don't see this gap being filled anytime soon which is why Dubai will always be a place for the upper middle class and high class people (which is simply pathetic IMO), because that will make it a fake society.
In comparison, look at the quality of life and salaries of construction workers in Europe and US. They are able to afford a home for themselves and at the same time provide a good life for their loved ones. Can one envision something similar happening in Dubai? Never....
I love Dubai, but honestly, its all too fake and just too "unnatural".
Nasrawi December 8th, 2006, 03:36 PM The high percentage of bachelor workers in the population is also the reason why the UAE has the highest consumption of Heinz Baked Beans per capita in the world (it's another one of our superlative titles).
Why not bring your wife and let her work also and share the rent together.
how many emirati housewives work?
Emm... being a housewife can be a full time job. It takes a lot of time and effort. Women who can manage to work and look after the house either have no children, one child or less, children in creches or school, househelp, family assistance or are bad employees/housewives because of focusing on one thing and neglecting the other.
Anyway, the situation in the UAE is ridiculous. They should decrease rents, increase salaries and stop discriminating based on nationality. But of course, they can't afford doing that because they got used to cheap labour.
Krazy December 8th, 2006, 03:40 PM ^^ I asked about emirati housewives not because I think they are too lazy or being a housewife is not a "full time job".. I have full respect for them believe me. My post was in response to Dubai Steve who said that the foreign laborers must change their ways, but the local culture is already saying women dont work outside their homes - the key difference between someone moving to the middle east to someone moving to say Europe or the US
V Kapoor December 8th, 2006, 04:52 PM ^^ in the last 10 years alone wages in India have risen to the point where Dubai was finding it difficult to recruit workers from india earlier this year simply because given the low salaries and travel expenses/fees, it did not make financial sense for workers to come here. in another 5-10 years, i can definitely envision low wage workers in india see significant wage increases. dubai will have to adjust
Absolutely True!
lovedubai December 8th, 2006, 05:08 PM Well if they want to survive in Dubai I think they need to change their ways and we could do with some more women in Dubai to stop the 'Diera Stare'.
You can't just impose western ideas on an economy in a totally different phase of development.
Steve, what do you suggest the wives of the construction workers do? Share the hovels their husbands live in? I can just see it - 18 labourers, 18 wives and 60 odd kids in a single room in a labour camp!!
I love Dubai, but the conditions and pay of the people building it is a national disgrace.
Emirati_Girl December 8th, 2006, 06:04 PM Good news :D .. so i can marry more than 1 man each year and i'll divorce if i don't want him ^_^
Nasrawi December 8th, 2006, 06:06 PM Good news :D .. so i can marry more than 1 man each year and i'll divorce if i don't want him ^_^
Good news for the construction workers I guess.
BinDubai December 8th, 2006, 06:10 PM Good news :D .. so i can marry more than 1 man each year and i'll divorce if i don't want him ^_^
lol -_-
docc December 9th, 2006, 01:37 AM Good news for the construction workers I guess.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA....
OMG! That has to be the most funniest statemend i have heard in ages!!! Nasrawi, you really crack me up buddy!!!
fahed December 9th, 2006, 10:07 AM ROFL @ EG !!
im confident the market will fix that. the vast majority of these men are from the subcontinent. with india booming as it as (and currently salaries in dubai for these people are now only slightly better in relative terms than salaries in india), soon wages in india will rise to the point where dubai will have to pay these people more. once that happens perhaps they can then possibly bring their families over.
They will simply switch to bring people from other places. Maybe parts of Africa (already doing it in some sectors).
Naz UK December 9th, 2006, 10:44 AM Good news :D .. so i can marry more than 1 man each year and i'll divorce if i don't want him ^_^
Sexual exploition of men in dubai in this way must stop! I'm sick of seeing it everywhere!:banana:
Emirati_Girl December 9th, 2006, 10:56 PM ^^ u just have to care about ur wife and not sick of seeing men everywhere ^_^ ..i am not sick at all :D
Krazy March 6th, 2007, 02:57 PM People in Dubai by 2010: 1.6m
The population of Dubai is expected to reach 1.6 million by 2010, according to a study.
Research conducted by Dubai Department of Health and Medical Services (Dohms) in co-operation with Dubai Municipality and Dubai Healthcare City (DHC) found the rate of population growth was 5.59 per cent.
Authorities are of the opinion that this increase will put a strain on the city’s healthcare facilities if they are not expanded proportionately.
The study also delved into future plan for healthcare facilities. It found that private hospitals will provide 67 per cent of the total number of beds, expected to be 6,032, by 2010. Government hospitals currently offer 2,688 beds, which is 69 per cent of the total availability.
This year, five private hos pitals will be constructed with a total capacity of 585 beds, while 2008 will see the construction of a new 125-bed private hospital.
In 2009, the enlargement of the American Hospital will add another 190 beds.
The study said the re-construction of Rashid Hospital will be finished by 2010 and its total beds will be 150.
The number of beds at hospitals belonging to Dohms is expected to be 1,723 by 2010. Besides, there would be 259 beds at Health Ministry hospitals, 1,725 in the private medical sector and 2,358 at the DHC. The DHC will this year have another 210 beds dedicated to bone, heart and urinary tract diseases. A total of 760 beds will be added next year, said the study.
The population of Dubai was 1.1 million, according to a census conducted last year
IISinbadII March 7th, 2007, 07:45 AM People in Dubai by 2010: 1.6mThe population of Dubai is expected to reach 1.6 million by 2010, according to a study.
How many of these 1.6 million people will be able to afford the luxury apartments that are being built in the thousands each year. How many of these 1.6 million will be low paid workers who come to Dubai to save some money for their families back home and share a room with 6 other workers. And how many would be the paid enough to live in 1 BR apartments that costs b/w AED 70,000 to 100,000 per year in rent.
Naz UK March 7th, 2007, 09:12 AM Not many, a lot, not many. What's your point?
IISinbadII March 7th, 2007, 11:39 AM Not many, a lot, not many. What's your point?
The point is that I worry about things, I am worried what will happen to all them flats!
:omg:
Naz UK March 7th, 2007, 12:36 PM Don't worry, if there's no uptake, they will be distributed amongst the sick and needy, like those who worry about stuff they shouldn't be worrying about.
Face81 March 9th, 2007, 03:06 AM ^^^^That information seems pretty out of date, especially given that the population has already crossed 1.4 million and that was at the end of 2006!
Dubai population makes big surge
By Ashfaq Ahmed, Staff Reporter
Dubai: Some 292,000 more people have become Dubai residents in just one year as the emirate’s population increased to 1.422 million in 2006 from 1.130 million in 2005.
This means that 24,333 people were added to Dubai’s population every month, 800 daily and around 33 every hour during 2006. The figure does not include tourists.
Statistics for 2006 released by the Dubai Statistics Department yesterday not only revealed a sharp increase in the population, but also showed vibrant development in every sector.
Vehicles
However, one alarming figure is the huge number of vehicles registered last year.
A total of 212,867 vehicles were registered, including 170,951 light vehicles, 5,256 buses, 16,304 light trucks, 8,287 heavy trucks, 312 heavy mechanical vehicles and 3,498 motorcycles.
Out of the total 1.422 million in population, 75.5 per cent are male and 24.5 per cent are female.
The statistics book called Dubai in Figures also reveals the continuation of massive construction activities in the emirate.
A total of 2,222 buildings were completed at a cost of Dh11.16 billion. Some 2,252 buildings were completed at the cost of Dh7.87 billion in 2005.
Land deals
Some 5,640 land deals worth Dh65.114 billion were carried out during the year, up from 4,880 land deals worth Dh32.62 billion were recorded in 2005.
The number of mobile phones increased 20.6 per cent.
There were more than 2.21 million mobile telephone lines by the end of the year compared to 1.83 million lines in 2005.
The landlines and fax lines reached 547,375 compared to 520,249 in 2005.
The number of public transport buses in Dubai reached 419 and they carried around 87.840 million passengers compared to 84.26 million in 2005.
Some 12,385 babies were born in government hospitals in 2006, of which 6,292 were male and 6,039 were female.
A total of 1,665 deaths including 1248 male and 417 female were reported. Around 2,663 marriages were registered in addition to 908 divorces.
Dubai International Airport recorded a nine per cent increase in passengers.
A total of 28.789 million passengers used the airport compared with 24.782 million in 2005.
Around 5.44 million guests stayed in 31,580 rooms in 306 hotels an increase of three per cent.
Hotel apartments
In 2005, 5.29 million guests stayed in 29,808 rooms in 300 hotels. The overall occupancy rate last year was 84.8 per cent.
The number of hotel apartments increased from 106 in 2005 to 115 last year.
The number of visitors also increased from 865,518 in 2005 to 953,292.
A total of 35,380 vessels called at Dubai ports, an increase of two per cent over the previous year. Around 77,838 passengers used marine transport to arrive and depart Dubai.
13m tonnes of garbage
Dubai Municipality collected over 13.574 million tonnes of waste last year.
Dubai has 220 schools during the academic year 2006-07.
Out of them 88 are government schools and 132 are in the private sector.
During 2006, 11,536 new licences were issued. Of these, 8,585 were trade licences, 1,998 were professional licences, 194 industrial licences and 368 tourist licences.
There are five government hospitals and 30 Health Centres in Dubai with a total of 1,457 physicians and 3,866 nurses (excluding private hospitals). Around 1.656 patients attended the government sector hospitals and clinics last year.
At a glance
Billions worth of shares traded
The total number of stocks traded on the Dubai Financial Market in 2006 was 39.644 billion, worth Dh347.98
billion compared to 25.54 billion shares worth Dh405.16 billion in 2005.
* Dubai International Financial Exchange registered
transactions of some 3.682 million shares in 2006 worth Dh96.777 million.
* Dubai imported goods worth Dh219.871 billion during 2006, while the export figures stood at Dh18.258 billion and the re-export figures were Dh78.309 billion.
* The free zones imported goods worth Dh122.763 billion and exported goods worth Dh84.323 billion in 2006.
* Other interesting figures for 2006 included 88 exhibitions and conferences attracting a total of 984,638 visitors and delegates.
* Dubai also hosted 23 conferences which were attended by 52,660 delegates.
* The electricity produced last year rose to 20,314 gigawatt hours and the number of consumer connections reached 339,900.
* Quantity of water production stands at 68,312 million gallons while the number of consumer connections reached
Julito-dubai April 26th, 2007, 10:47 AM from Emirates Today
Dubai will be able to accommodate 11 million people once every planned development scheme is completed, an official has revealed.
The startling figure can be compared with the emirate’s current population of 1.4m.
And it gives for the first time an idea of what the emirate will be like in a few decades.
“Looking at what we’ve zoned in Dubai, the maximum absorption capacity will be 11m residents if all planned projects are completed and occupied,” said Dr Hamid Hattal, a senior expert at the Dubai Municipality.
“This number is based on some ratios regarding housing to commercial unit use. It is a theoretical figure.We also estimate that if units are used for investment purposes then the capacity would be 6m.
“No one knows, of course, when we will reach 11m. Estimates show we’re going to be at 5m by 2020,” he said.
Dr Hattal told the Second Conference on Municipal Action from Legislation to Implementation, held at Ajman University, in order to fill the 68,000 housing units expected to be ready by the end of 2008 alone, accommodation would have to be affordable.
“It is important that we have flexible rates,” he told an audience of municipal officials from across the Gulf.
Dubai is one of the fastest growing cities, particularly in terms of construction. In 2006 a total of 2,222 buildings were completed at a cost of Dh11.16 billion, maintaining the breakneck rate set in 2005 when 2,252 buildings were completed at a cost of Dh7.87bn.
Dr Hattal, who has a PhD in urban economic planning, said Dubai Municipality had its work cut out for it in the coming years to manage development and lay infrastructure to handle the expected population boom.
He called for the creation of a database of planning efforts, with information updated every 24 hours, so the municipal authority could be ready to meet demand.
While Dr Hattal was reluctant to put a date on completion of the planned capacity, the latest long-term plan from His Highness Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid Al Maktoum,Vice-President and Prime Minister and Ruler of Dubai – the Dubai Strategic Plan – takes development as far as 2015.
By that point it is not expected Dubai will be too far past the RichVille Advisory Group’s estimated 500,000 completed units by 2010.
Emirati_Girl April 26th, 2007, 10:52 AM 11 m WoH Woh!! A alot O_O...
Julito-dubai April 26th, 2007, 11:03 AM check p.39 of emirates today online. Thats where the 11 million inhabitants are coming from :lol:
DG April 26th, 2007, 11:26 AM it said "will be able to accommodate" , not "will accommodate".
it is just an imaginary anticipation.
Naz UK April 26th, 2007, 03:16 PM Exactly. So change the thread title, coz its mis-leading. And Moderators, delete/ban crappy threads for every tiny little issue that ppl with no lives decide to create. I might create a thread because my sandwich had the wrong type of margarine in it this lunchtime.
Alle April 27th, 2007, 12:20 AM i imagine most units wont be the first home for the owners, among other reasons why 11 m is highly unlikely.
Maha April 28th, 2007, 07:00 AM The 11 million will need jobs, when the construction work is done what will everyone do for a living? (amon other reasons why 11m is highly unlikely)
ragga April 29th, 2007, 02:58 PM What they need to do, and luckily have started already, is start planning for the next 1m residents, forget 10million more. Roads.... Bridges....
Gregorious May 14th, 2007, 12:35 PM Hey guys.....UAE'S population now is 11.8 million, Dubai is 3.5 million (in recent Tedad Census)
crazyeight May 14th, 2007, 02:58 PM I can't believe you believe that!
Gregorious May 14th, 2007, 08:21 PM ^^ Hey...I've got inside info, coz my uncle is a project manager in the census team
Gregorious May 14th, 2007, 08:31 PM Guys!!!! all this is non-sensical shit! In the recent Tedad Census,
Populations(millions):
UAE - 11.8
Abu Dhabi - 1
Dubai - 3.5/3.8
Sharjah - 2.5 !!
Al Ain - 0.56
I know this sounds ridiculous, but i'm saying it as it is (I have insider info on this, coz my uncle is one of the heads of the census team)
These results are not displayed ... yet)
smussuw May 14th, 2007, 08:40 PM Its sounds ridiculous indeed.
Guilan May 14th, 2007, 08:46 PM Thought you were joking earlier.
What new census is this?
Morrismarina May 14th, 2007, 09:53 PM ^^ Hey...I've got inside info, coz my uncle is a project manager in the census team
His previous job wasn't the Iraqi Information Minister by any chance ?? :lol:
Dubai-Lover May 14th, 2007, 10:32 PM rofl
crazyeight May 15th, 2007, 12:17 AM That's just not possible.
Maha May 15th, 2007, 06:56 AM Are you serious?
Gregorious May 15th, 2007, 09:52 AM ^^ yup
Gregorious May 15th, 2007, 10:07 AM ^^ yup!
Naz UK May 15th, 2007, 11:51 AM I hope your figures ARE a joke. Because I don't get them.
Naz UK May 15th, 2007, 12:04 PM Btw, what did happen to Comical Ali? Last I heard, we was living in exile in Dubai! (probably working for Nakheel).
Guilan May 15th, 2007, 01:26 PM Btw, what did happen to Comical Ali? Last I heard, we was living in exile in Dubai! (probably working for Nakheel).
Dunno about him, but I was working with his son.
Morrismarina May 15th, 2007, 02:00 PM Btw, what did happen to Comical Ali? Last I heard, we was living in exile in Dubai! (probably working for Nakheel).
I've heard he's now working in Damac's PR department !!
crazyeight May 15th, 2007, 02:24 PM The tedad census team must have been smoking some scary stuff.
Krazy May 15th, 2007, 02:41 PM dubai and 3.5 million? :lol:
AltinD May 15th, 2007, 03:31 PM ^^ Maybe they have counted people in their working places in the Morning and then again in their homes in the evening :D
Face81 May 15th, 2007, 03:39 PM Guys!!!! all this is non-sensical shit! In the recent Tedad Census,
Populations(millions):
UAE - 11.8
Abu Dhabi - 1
Dubai - 3.5/3.8
Sharjah - 2.5 !!
Al Ain - 0.56
I know this sounds ridiculous, but i'm saying it as it is (I have insider info on this, coz my uncle is one of the heads of the census team)
These results are not displayed ... yet)
The figures for Dubai are believable, but whats making up the rest of the 7m????
Nachkebia May 15th, 2007, 04:43 PM ^^ Maybe they have counted people in their working places in the Morning and then again in their homes in the evening :D
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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