i thought i heard met 3 died, didnt they sell the land for it or something?

I'm not real crazy about the dupont rendering. Seems like something more for Brickell.
This is downtown though. It should have a better face towards the street. It looks rather imposing considering the big wall.

Hello everyone---I am new to this forum and am looking forward to gaining insight and knowledge about skyscrapers, skylines, and new developments :) especially in Miami the "Magic City".

Does anyone know where I can see a map of the height restrictions imposed by the FAA on Miami's CBD?

I recall seeing an article with map in The Miami Herald around 20 years ago showing a small sliver around the old Southeast now Wachovia tower where buildings could be built just below 1,000 feet. In fact there where plans to build a tall tower where Met One is to be built. Of course, the market forces prevented that tower from being built.

I would love to see a 1,000 foot + tower built in Miami's CBD, but I don't know if there will be any good parcels left for this. Perhaps the land west of the old Centrust now BOA can accomodate a 1,000 + tower. We just need the market forces to move towards that direction. It would certainly not be strickly office space, but some mixed-use concept.

I am looking forward to participating in this forum and will share many interesting historic photos of Miami's "Magic" growth through the decades since Henry Flagler's Royal Palm Hotel, which foundation is now being excavated and documented prior to Met's Towers construction.

I am a life long Miamian and have seen the skyline grow from my trips with my parents to downtown where I was always intrigued by the beautiful Dade County Courthouse which dominated the skyline for many years. In fact it was the tallest building outside Baltimore and east of the Mississippi for many year.

One last thing before I go, Today I had the priveledge of visiting Miami's first "Skyscraper". It is the Ralston Building at a whopping 8 stories. I believe that it was the first building in Miami over 5 stories and dominated the skyline until the McAllister was built on the site of what is to become 50 Biscayne. I will try to post an early picture of Miami's skyline that I think you will find very interesting. I need to figure out how to post pix first.

I am so glad I found this site to learn and share my knowledge with others.

AM magic-city

big news for met project
Posted on Tue, Nov. 02, 2004

REAL ESTATE

Downtown office-tower plan is latest victim of condo fever

A developer rethinks plans to put up a downtown office tower but prepares to build what would be one of Miami's tallest condominiums.

BY MATTHEW HAGGMAN

mhaggman@herald.com

The first downtown Miami office tower envisioned in over a decade has been put on hold, but the developer now plans to build a 72-story condo tower slated to rise 750 feet into the sky.

If constructed, it would be the third-tallest skyscraper in the city.

The twin moves by the MDM Development Group are another sign that developers remain aggressively optimistic about the condominium market but skittish on the prospects of office-tower construction downtown.

The trend is leading some observers to worry that condos are taking up too many of downtown's prime locations.

''If you do not have a downtown business district, you no longer have a downtown,'' said real estate analyst Michael Cannon of Integra Realty Resources.

The office and condo had been slated to rise side by side, but MDM decided to add over 20 stories to the residential building. MDM said Monday that it was reevaluating its proposed 500,000-square-foot central business district office building, Metropolitan Financial Center. If built, the tower would be downtown's first new Class A office building in over 10 years.

This would be the second proposed office building downtown to be shelved this year in favor of a condo project. In July, Atlantabased Cousins Properties jettisoned plans for an office tower at Flagler Street and Biscayne Boulevard. Instead, it partnered with Jorge Perez's Related Group of Florida to build a 54-story condo.

Tim Weller, Miami-based MDM's vice president of development, said its decision was based on ``rising construction costs, overall economics, the strength of the office market right now.''

He declined to elaborate.

MDM sought to sign the law firm of Steel Hector & Davis, the accounting firm of Morrison Brown Argiz & Farra and the insurance and consulting giant Aon Corp. as tenants for the proposed office tower, but negotiations with Aon collapsed three weeks ago, according to a person familiar with the deal.

Antonio L. Argiz, managing partner at Morrison Brown, said he was told a week and a half ago that the project had stalled.

MDM, led by Ricardo Glas and Luis Palenta, developed the J.W. Marriott Hotel and the Mellon office building on Brickell Avenue.

STUBBORN MARKET

MDM, meanwhile, is convinced that the condo market remains stubbornly strong despite the unprecedented number of condo towers slated to be built, Weller said.

That assessment has prompted the developer to up its plans for a 51- or 52-story condo to a 72-story tower with 650 units.

The Four Seasons Hotel & Tower, which has condos, a hotel, retail and office space, is 789 feet high. The Wachovia Financial Center stands 764 feet tall. MDM's building would rise 750 feet.

MDM plans to break ground on the project in May, Weller said.

The condo tower and the stalled office building are envisioned for a square block bordered by Southeast Second and Third streets and Southeast Second and Third avenues. The parcel sits between the Wachovia Financial Center and the Bank of America Tower at International Place.

MDM's two towers were planned to sit atop a 12-story parking garage slated to have a Whole Foods grocery store on its ground floor. The development is part of MDM's overall project, which will occupy three downtown blocks.

On one, it plans to build a 40-story condo with 447 units and a retail and entertainment complex, including a movie theater. Weller said that condo development was 85 percent sold.

Ground breaking on the condo, to be called Met One, had been scheduled for September but is now slated for December. MDM hopes to have the condo and retail location, dubbed Met Square, completed by March 2007, Weller said.

MDM plans to build a residential tower on the third block, across from the Hyatt Hotel, he added, but there are no specific plans.

Developers are shying away from office development, experts say, because condo demand is so strong and provides a quicker return on profits.

NOT JUSTIFIED

In addition, current office-rental rates do not justify the expense of building a Class A office tower. The 20 to 30 percent price hike for materials in the past six months has made office construction even tougher.

Peter Harrison, a veteran real estate broker with Transwestern Commercial Services, said Class A construction requires rents in excess of $35 per square foot. Current rates, he noted, are mired between $32 and $35 per.

''You can't justify building a Class A building at those rents,'' said Harrison, who has represented MDM. ``The office market has been flat for several years. In the early 1980s, rents were as high as $36 a square foot.''

But not everyone is convinced that current market conditions rule out office development.

Said Cannon: ``I believe that if the professional office developer did his homework, he would be pleasantly surprised.''
http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/business/10073264.htm

welcome aboard magic-city, can't wait to see your pics....actually we have a whole thread devoted to historic pics of Miami...so you should go ahead and post em' in there! Again, a gracious welcome!

OH my...met2 is now 750ft and all residential...planning to breakground in May...wow...this is great big news...although we lose an office tower, we gain a really tall condo!

Great news, but downtown deserves a new office tower since the last office tower built in the CBD was completed back in 1986 (Bank Of America Tower). Plus most of these condos will be vacant and obsolete within 20 years, compared to an office tower which will always bring steady revenues and occupation (look at all the Class A office towers built back in the 70's compared to the hidious pre-1980's condo on Brickell Avenue).


Also vote Republican !!!
G.W. and Mel make a great team.

welcome aboard magic city, if you can scan your photos and just dont know how to put them up, you can email me them
at
wrestlechamp316@bellsouth.net and ill take care of it


thats GREAT news about met miami, 750 feet, pretty good but what tower is this referring to ? is it met3?

well its not a tallest as we expected but pretty good

anyways this aint written in stone, remember a couple months ago until now alot of projects changed like columbus bazaar and met so maybe it will change,

im still waiting for a tallest and would like to know that height limit. we need a 1000 footer

help chuck llool :cheers:

i cant believe met3 is 750 feet only, the must have changed the design or shortened it cuz in all the renderings it appears way taller than wachovia, check out www.metropolitanmiami.com and see the rendering on the home page, it seems taller,

we can hope that the 750 is without the crown, but it probably already considers the crown

stupid move by the met people whos gonna wanna live in a 750 ft condo building next to boa which is illuminated at night they'll change there mind soon and sell the parcel of land.


dubai has 2 1400ft towers u/c while in miami we beg for at least one over 800 ft. stop hogging the buildings dubai,

^^ check the thread of when miami will get a 1000 footer i posted an old article i found and it clearly states they have a zone for tall buildings and the TOTAL MAXIMUM HEIGHT IS 949 FEET.

Isn't this Met 2 ?

i don't know because the met people have everyone confused i think there doing it on purpose


dubai has 2 1400 ft. towers u/c while miami is begging for an 800ft tower stop hogging the buildings dubai

we need some offices, if all we keep gettin are condo (which im not complianing about, but still...) like the article says, its gonna stop being downtown and just be a dense neighborhood...

we gotta figure out wat building it is that theyre talkin about, its prob met 3, but at this point i seriously doubt that that will ever get done

offices will come nimby you don't want empty offices so right now were filling up the empty towers we already had. when we run out we'll new build offices, having condos in dt and brickell will ease traffic when the office towers start coming. as soon as companies start to see people love dt and brickell and mary brickell village will be like times square they'll want to have offices in miami.although it'll more expensive to build office towers later because there will be less land,it hasn't stopped companies in new york or chicago.

Isn't this Met 2 ?


I'm pretty sure this article is refering to Met2!! the article also says that it'll break ground in May!

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's Met 2, in which case the pleasant surprise is that Met 2 will be taller now than when it was envisaged as an office tower.

I do hope it has plenty of glass though.

offices will come nimby you don't want empty offices so right now were filling up the empty towers we already had. when we run out we'll new build offices, having condos in dt and brickell will ease traffic when the office towers start coming. as soon as companies start to see people love dt and brickell and mary brickell village will be like times square they'll want to have offices in miami.although it'll more expensive to build office towers later because there will be less land,it hasn't stopped companies in new york or chicago.

true, im just anxious to start the next office boom, cause thats when were really gonna get some great signature tall buildings, but we gotta wait for these condos to pick downtown up i guess, man met 2 at 700, thats great, add some great density to the heart of downtown, rite behind the wachovia, thatll luk great

im guessing no new renderings yet rite? if any1 gets any, post em quick! im anxious as hell to see this one

MDM plans to build a residential tower on the third block, across from the Hyatt Hotel, he added, but there are no specific plans.

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/business/10073264.htm
whoa you're right that is met 2,but then that might mean no go on met3 or twin towers

this isnt really a victim of office falling to condo, cause originally all the met buidings were supposed to be condos, met 1 and 2 pretty much wat met 1 is now, and then met 3 pushing 800 feet... but met 2 became office, and met 3 i think it not gonna happen, so this went condos---> office----> condos, just reverted back to wat it was, but i really want some damn offices!

I think the good news is that, whereas we were expecting a 40st condo tower and a 36st mixed-use tower by 2007, instead we get the 40st and a 72st by 2007 !

very true! its gonna b great, cant wait to see a rendering

lets just hope the plan doesnt change again and back to offices lol

Hey, how are the amendments doing, like the Museum Park thing ?

i believe most of the bond questions passed.
baylink straw question in miami beach passed.

the met people are confusing us on purpose for wat reason i dont know,well now that bush won the economy shall get worse a forget getting more office bldgs.

Yeah...the economy sure is awful....you can tell by all the construction cranes and workers all over the place.
tyf Mortgage rates Nov 2000 = 8% +
tyf Mortgage rates Nov 2004 = less than 5.3%

If this is how Miami looks when the economy is "dead", I can only dream how is going to look like when the economy comes back to "life". :)

^I'm quite worried about Miami's economy over the next four years. Bye bye middle class.

Florida should be a democratic state with its demographics.

although you might build residential towers it doesn't mean the economy is doing good,when you build offices thats when economy is doing good.right now florida is getting lucky because of shoreline most buildings going up are near water,and also remember the florida economy is still doing ok but in a couple of years it might not for example ohio,and missouri which were great economic states during clinton and now look at them unemployment is way up and companies are leaving. so don't feel too confident on the florida economy because were one MAJOR hurricane away from losing our jobs.AND NEXT OUR TOURISM INDUSTRY

Yes and maybe next week an earthquake might hit california and their economy will go to hell, blah, blah, blah...

ANOTHER IGNORANT BUSH SUPPORTER,I HOPE BUSH GETS SHOT.well that would be a bad thing because now that bush won he has to deal with iraq and osama bin laden,i sure wouldn't that job

ANOTHER IGNORANT BUSH SUPPORTER,I HOPE BUSH GETS SHOT.well that would be a bad thing because now that bush won he has to deal with iraq and osama bin laden,i sure wouldn't that job

You sound bitter.

yea i've been waiting 4 years to see bush get what he deserved after he cheated in 2000 and look what happened now

yea i've been waiting 4 years to see bush get what he deserved after he cheated in 2000 and look what happened now

I just got off the phone with Jorge Perez and he's cancelling all his projects. He's even going to tear down the ones he's already built.

ok enough politics for one day so any info on anything new in cbd

I just got off the phone with Jorge Perez and he's cancelling all his projects. He's even going to tear down the ones he's already built.

i didn't get it?

ya, the economy under bush is horrible and its all his fault... just like gas prices are his fault... and 9-11 was his fault... and heathcare is his fault... and the recession that he inherited from clinton was his fault... and my grandma died because of him... and people in ethiopia dont have food because of him... and kerry would have fixed it all, while decreasing spending, yet increasing spending, and cuttin taxes... even tho we never did see a plan, tho we heard an awful lot about it... oh but wait, HE LOST! FOUR MORE YEARS BITCH, U DONT LIKE IT, MOVE 2 FUKIN TORONTO! the scrapers r better anyways

wat, the economy has added more that a million and a half jobs over the past year? wat? how quickly democrats forget that

^ dam this politic talk, go to another forum to fight for that,

this is strictly skyscrapercity, i hope every 4 years this great forum doesnt get infected with all this b/s going on around

ya, the economy under bush is horrible and its all his fault... just like gas prices are his fault... and 9-11 was his fault... and heathcare is his fault... and the recession that he inherited from clinton was his fault... and my grandma died because of him... and people in ethiopia dont have food because of him... and kerry would have fixed it all, while decreasing spending, yet increasing spending, and cuttin taxes... even tho we never did see a plan, tho we heard an awful lot about it... oh but wait, HE LOST! FOUR MORE YEARS BITCH, U DONT LIKE IT, MOVE 2 FUKIN TORONTO! the scrapers r better anyways

wat, the economy has added more that a million and a half jobs over the past year? wat? how quickly democrats forget that

they've added a million service industry jobs, are those suppose to compensate for the manufacturing jobs lost? Maybe in some republican distorted rationale.

btw, CNN reported that among college graduates Senator Kerry won by a landslide. Its a shame the vast majority of Floridians barely graduate high school.

And the Dolphins are currently 1-6.

Clearly Bush's fault.

Man huge news on the Met 2!!.. So whats gonna happen to Met 3? Will it downsize?? I hope they sell it. 3 blocks of CBD is just too much for one developer, let someone elses' visions change the city..

Welcome Magic City, you sound very enthusiastic, I look forward to talkin to ya in this forum..

The 1 and Only Cuban :) , Well MET 3 Could get Taller or just about the Same, Whatever happens to MET 3 will have to Wait at least 3 years from now when it breaks ground. The Site for MET 3 has a Foundation NOW from the Old 1920's HOTEL that was there back then, and they are finally UNCOVERING IT, it looks like a GRAVE digging project, if anyone drives by there NOW. MET 3 will be built and finished by 2010, But it will be the tallest of the three, and still around 750-775 Feet in height with the 53 stories still planned as of NOW. :cheers:

met 3 will change hands, definetly, and i think itll totally change, im prediciting itll b a totally different market by the time that this thing happn, perhaps an office tower, or maybe the market just wont b favorable downtown and theyll sit on it for another 20 years till the next boom like they did b4 this one

NIMBY :) , I Hope your Wrong, But I'm just saying a correction on your Opinion :) , Because ITS GOT to Happen NOW during This BOOM, They are clearing the MET 3 SITE, ITS NOT a Parking LOT ANYMORE, check it Out ITS a GRAVE DIGGING SITE< I'm Serious NIMBY, Its Got to be Built Within the NEXT 3 YEARS, and I say They Will build it. THE HEIGHT Might Change , BUT it will be Built at 53 Stories SomeHow, and Someday Soon. THE Parking LOTS are CLOSED. The MET SALES TRAILER is Sitting RIGHT NOW on the MET 2 Construction SITE. Therre's NO MORE Parking AVAILABLE Now in the DUPONT PLAZA Ground Parking Lots.
Please GO Check out the MET 3 SITE, You won't believe YOUR EYES, You'll SEE the FOUNDATION of the OLD ROYAL PALM HOTEL Built in the Early 20's ITS THERE and its a Thick DEEP OLD Cement Foundation and STRONG. That Early 20's Hotel must have been a Beautiful HOTEL !!! :cheers:

they might just build a parking lot called met3

yeah i saw the met3 site its all a workzone, but hopefully the effect comes in that with all the new condos by the time met3 is around, they might just switch to office if they see theres demand1

god i hope so

[QUOTE=SkyDiveJunkee]they've added a million service industry jobs, are those suppose to compensate for the manufacturing jobs lost? Maybe in some republican distorted rationale.
[QUOTE]
Yeah! I'm in the service industry. I lost my job in the typewriter factory in Michigan and now I have to live here in Miami.
If some politician doesn't enact some government controls quickly we are going to loose the typewriter jobs just like we lost all those ice block delivery jobs.

the manufacturing jobs were lost due to the recession that bush inherited, stopped, and is helping the nation recover from... and they were lost to other nations, theyre not coming back... its cheaper for things to be manufactored over seas, its that simple, and unless u wanna lower the minimum wage to 5 cents an hour, or establish rediculously high tarrifs that cut us off from the rest of the world, theyres stayin there, and we gotta replace em wit wat the economy calls for at the current time, which rite now, the service industry is expanding rapidly... and as the economy contiues to grow at the pace it is, will more than make up for the jobs lost

roark, that just all went rite over my head, im confused as hell, wat?

ok nimby its a fact the recession happened during the end of the clinton adm. and 2000 election scandal and got worse during the opening months of his presidency,you said he created 1 million jobs over a year,how can you justify 1 million jobs for a workforce of over 100 million+, population growth is 1.8 million a year (who are able to work)so that means were not gaining any jobs.and nimby what can you say about the national debt did clinton do that to.i will say the economy is getting better but at the pace its going china and the EU will catch us soon,something that wouldn't of happened during the clinton era.

no more politics please guys.
p.s. can we please keep gov. and church seperate,i consider myself an athist and im sick of the catholics saying that the bible said this and that.how do we know who wrote the bible,it could of been someone with nothing better to do,or just a piece of literature.nothing against catholics but how do we know anything in the bible is true,has anyone seen god or talked to him,no so lets stop forcing people to do things because god said so.

ok nimby again sorry to be disagreeing its a fact the recession happened during the end of the clinton adm. and 2000 election scandal and got worse during the opening months of his presidency,ok and you said he created 1 million jobs over a year,how can you justify 1 million jobs for a workforce of over 100 million+, population growth is 1.8 million a year (who are able to work)so that means were not gaining any jobs.and nimby what can you say about the national debt did clinton do that to.

no more politics please guys.

I love the way some of you lefties employ the "Last tag !" routine.

i could go last tag, and shred u up uptown, but i wont, well agree to disagree, now lets get to the buildings

i have a question for all you of infinite wisdom towards all skyscrapers in miami, i no that theres a small area of the core of downtown that doesnt have a height limit, but im still kinda hazy where is it, i think i head some1 say that the "dupont plaza" area has no height limit, and i no that dupont, met 1 2 and 3, and wachovia are in the area wit no limit, so how far out does this area stretch?

i think it would be from the bankatlantic building south to the street before four seasons but im not sure. i accept your point of agreeing to disagreeing but you have no chance of shreding my in the talk of politics,because i either want to be a politician or a developer

the thought of u being a politician and having power in the govenment scares me for the future lol, jp, *cough cough fukin liberals *cough cough

its that big, are u sure? i thought it was this tiny little area and thats wat every1s compliainging was about

conservatives, ok enough politics already,im not to sure about how large the area is i think its smaller.


politicians don't always run for office,ok enough nimby

Okay, someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but I believe that area of unlimited height is very large in downtown Miami.
The reason why buildings aren't built tall in most cases is because they don't usually maximize the profitability on the lots were they are built. Building heights are mostly restricted by economic factors and the FAR, or Floor to Area Ratio and setbacks.
Simple example: If the lot size is 20,000 sq ft and the FAR is 10, than the most sellable floor space is 200,000 sq ft.
Hypothetically, you could build a 200 story tall building with 1,000 sq ft on each floor, but the elevator shaft, the fire stairways, and the meter rooms would take up about 300 sq ft or 30% of each floor.
As you can see in this purposly absurd and illustrative example, it doesn't make any sense to build tall on this piece of land.

well UNLIMITED height, i donno about,

but if u check the 1st page of the wen will mia get 1000 footer, i posted the article from the 80s of the tall building district and the MAXIMUM HEIGHT WAS 949 FEET.

but hey lets hope theres an unlimited zone, and well need a giant parcel of land!

Maybe in some republican distorted rationale.

btw, CNN reported that among college graduates Senator Kerry won by a landslide. Its a shame the vast majority of Floridians barely graduate high school.

Presumbly, that by saying, "CNN reported that among college graduates Senator Kerry won by a landslide", you believe that college graduates are better prepared to vote intelligently than non-college graduates and therefore will vote for Kerry? That is probably what you were getting at. Not that I necessarily agree with your premise, but just in case you are interested in the facts, here is the link to CNN's website CNN Polling (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html)
Clearly, Bush collects more votes of those with HS diplomas, Some College, and College graduates. Kerry has more votes of those with No High School, and Post Grad Study. Not much of a "Landslide".

As for the VAST MAJORITY of Florida residents not graduating from high school.
You may be interested to know that according the Southern Regional Education Board (http://www.sreb.org/main/EdData/FactBook/2003StateReports/Florida.doc) fact book, The percentage of Floridian adults with high school diplomas or GED's is 4th best in the region. Maryland is #1 and Kentucky is #16. In Florida, the number of HS graduates/GED recipients look like this 82.5% of whites, 67% of Blacks, and 63.3% of Hispanics.
Niether VAST, nor a MAJORITY.

Distorted rationale??????

"I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." - Mark Twain

guys not to be rude but its skyscrapercity not politicalcity

u da man roark!

well UNLIMITED height, i donno about,

but if u check the 1st page of the wen will mia get 1000 footer, i posted the article from the 80s of the tall building district and the MAXIMUM HEIGHT WAS 949 FEET.

but hey lets hope theres an unlimited zone, and well need a giant parcel of land!
I HAVE TO AGREE with MIAballinboi :) , I heard too, back in the 80's, THEY had a MAP-size Numbers in the Dupont Plaza area with Runway PATH LINES Running through Downtown, AND the HIGHEST ALLOWED Height WAS 949 FEET, I saw that paper too Back in the early 80's When TED GOULD :) was trying to build his TALLEST 80 story Tower at the 949 foot Level. Its a Shame the PRIME Rate hit almost 21 Percent :bash: then, HE Would have built the TALLEST OFFICE TOWER in the Southeastern United States ,Taller than any Building in ATLANTA in 1985. :cheers:

well get one soon enough, once this condo boom picks up downtown, interest in offices will reignite, and well get a tall office building, prob sooner than we expect

Presumbly, that by saying, "CNN reported that among college graduates Senator Kerry won by a landslide", you believe that college graduates are better prepared to vote intelligently than non-college graduates and therefore will vote for Kerry? That is probably what you were getting at. Not that I necessarily agree with your premise, but just in case you are interested in the facts, here is the link to CNN's website CNN Polling (http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/pages/results/states/US/P/00/epolls.0.html)
Clearly, Bush collects more votes of those with HS diplomas, Some College, and College graduates. Kerry has more votes of those with No High School, and Post Grad Study. Not much of a "Landslide".

As for the VAST MAJORITY of Florida residents not graduating from high school.
You may be interested to know that according the Southern Regional Education Board (http://www.sreb.org/main/EdData/FactBook/2003StateReports/Florida.doc) fact book, The percentage of Floridian adults with high school diplomas or GED's is 4th best in the region. Maryland is #1 and Kentucky is #16. In Florida, the number of HS graduates/GED recipients look like this 82.5% of whites, 67% of Blacks, and 63.3% of Hispanics.
Niether VAST, nor a MAJORITY.

Distorted rationale??????

"I have never let my schooling interfere with my education." - Mark Twain

Hate to burst your bubble, as it seems you went through a lot to prove me wrong, but these numbers are still below any
blue states. I may have exaggerated, knowing that a response like this was inevitable, but in the spirit of Mark Twain, my own education on this matter supercedes statistics as well. :)

Can't we all just get along and agree with that fine thespian, Ted Nugent, who exclaimed, "I didn't go to college. I was too busy learning stuff."

Hate to burst your bubble, as it seems you went through a lot to prove me wrong, but these numbers are still below any
blue states. I may have exaggerated, knowing that a response like this was inevitable, but in the spirit of Mark Twain, my own education on this matter supercedes statistics as well. :)
No bubble bursted...it didn't take much at all.
You just made 3 statements, one emotional and subject to opinion, and two that you presented as fact. The facts took 25 seconds and a google search.
The opinion will probably never change, and that is your perogative.
It just seemed like you might want to know what you are talking about in the future. No offense intended, just want to get the correct information out to those that might believe what you said to be true.
We can all get along in harmony once everyone realizes that we are all Americans and it doesn't do any good to try to belittle one another.

Hats off to the Motor City Madman! zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Wango zzzzzzzzzzzzzzTango

Just to get off the fact checking and politics...
Here is a picture of what will be 10 Museum, a very busy gas station, 900 Biscayne, Marina Blue, and a very vibrant pedestian friendly revitilazation of Biscayne Blvd.
http://www.restainer.com/skyscrapers/onebusygasstation.jpg

This photo was intended to show the Global Crossing sign and the brand new dishes on the Network Access Point (should've zoomed). This photo to help debunk the myth that all jobs in Miami are service jobs.
http://www.restainer.com/skyscrapers/900BiscayneNAP.jpg

This is a photo of Miami Dade College. It used to be one of the largest community colleges in the United States until a couple of years ago when they received an accredited Bachelors program. Now, it is a very big college. Also note the progress of Related's Loft. Next week, this area will be home to one of the largest International Book Fairs in the world.
http://www.restainer.com/skyscrapers/loftmiamidade.jpg
Let's hope that the next four years are as conducive to growth as the last four...ooops.

DuPont Demo/One Miami at the mouth of the Miami River/Wachovia Tower
http://www.restainer.com/skyscrapers/onemiamidupont.jpg
Miami Circle in the Foreground/Carbonell on the Right/One Miami on the Left/South Beach Dead Ahead!
http://www.restainer.com/skyscrapers/miamicircle.jpg
A pile of rubble where a view corridor will be...
http://www.restainer.com/skyscrapers/dupontdemo.jpg
The Dupont Plaza sign about to fall down, and the Carbonell peaking through...for now.
http://www.restainer.com/skyscrapers/dupontcarbonell.jpg

Simply breathtaking... Who wouldn't want to be the owner of that gas station right now, knowing that you're sitting on some of the most prime real estate in the entire area, and not budging for anything...

Roark: what kind of camera took those pictures?

great update Roark...perfect angles! I'm glad to see ten museum underway (since it's my favorite of the three) but I'm sad that marinablue and 900 biscayne not even dug into the ground yet! hopefully they will truly start soon!

Hyperion's Blue Moves Along Ahead of Schedule
By Melissa Bogdany
Last updated: November 8, 2004 02:54pm

MIAMI-Hyperion Development Group is running four months ahead of schedule for the development of its 36-story condominium project Blue Condos and is planning to break ground in the middle of this month on another, 60-story condo project in the city.

Blue, which is about 70% sold, has one- and two-bedroom units ranging from 831 sf to 2,048 sf and 3,125-sf penthouses. Pre-construction prices range from $350,000 to $690,000. The project is located on 36th Street at Biscayne Bay.

The general contractor, SDC Construction Services, is pouring the top floor of concrete for the building, which is scheduled to be completed in summer 2005. “Blue is running a solid four months ahead of schedule,” according to Hyperion CEO Thomas Jermoluk. “We’re very pleased with the progress of this project and plan to set a similar pace with all our developments.”

The newer project, called Marina Blue, is being developed just about a mile and a half from Blue, on Biscayne Boulevard and Northeast 8th Street, in front of the American Airlines Arena. The project will consist of 516 units and has a planned completion of summer 2007.

Marina Blue units have an average price per sf of $373. Sizes will range from 992 sf for one-bedroom/1.5-bath units to 1,535 sf for two-bedroom/two-bath units. At those sizes, the price range for the units is approximately $370,016 to $572,555.

“This area is just on fire,” says Julie O’Dell, of Hyperion Development Group. “Every square inch has been taken up by condos.”

Hyperion Development Group was founded by Jim Clark, founder of several companies, including Netscape, Silicon Graphics, Healtheon/Web MD and Shutterfly; Tom Jermoluk, in business with Jim Clark for 20 years, CEO, founder and board member of more than 15 companies; and Paul Murphy, master builder, developer and general contractor for 37 years, building more than 22,000 units.
http://www.globest.com/news/155_155/miami/128378-1.html

i was just gonna post this, renner. looks like marinablue will start this month. great news.

btw, great pics, roark! the one that shows the 3 empty lots on biscayne is awesome. that view is gonna be a whole lot different in a few years.

Another week, another highrise:
The renderings are out for what looks like the second tower on the "Ivy" parcel. Its being called "Wind by Neo". I heard that Calderon lady was involved in Ivy so I guess she's taking the "Neo" name (Neo lofts, Neo Vertika) into the project too. This is too short for that parcel though. Only 41 stories.

http://www.miamicondocommando.com/wind-by-neo.htm

ugh. i'm not impressed. this is exactly the kind of design i don't wanna see in a prime location like that. what the hell happened to the original design for this lot? what was that called again...miami river village? i liked that design a lot better than both the ivy & this. although ivy isn't that bad.

i think it's safe to say that miami is becoming the vancouver of the U.S. and i don't mean that in either a positive or negative way. just very matter-of-factly.

Not impressed with Calderon.

Wind by Neo :down: :( and 50 Biscayne sucks too.

this lady needs to stop with the name neo on everything,and to stop building these ok not so ok buildings like wind by neo or neoconcepts. this building looks to ordinary,if it would be built in any other area i would be fine with it but its built in cbd,miami river,brickell area which means it needs to standout in a good way.atleast it'll probably be blocked by the other buildings

great pics, that gas station owner must be very happy lool

hyperion is been very quick with blue already topped out!
and now this 60 story maginficent tower to break ground, it should be the leader of the MEGA 60 story and up boom lool

and isnt it 625 feet chuck? lets hope so!

and that ivy rendering sucks! that building belongs amongst the others in inaland sunny isles or williams island, maybe they could squeeze it in somewhere nxt to the club at brickell lol but not in the middle of the primest land!!

not good for the area!

yippy!!....great...now we just need 900 biscayne to truly start and we're set!!

I think Marina Blue's my favorite.

were still missing marquis

oh man that neo by wind crap sux! its a crime that this is goin on downtown, this short, that ugly, on that great a piece of land, a total crime! lets shot her, any1 no her address?

Thanks for the comments on the photos...the trusty Cannon Powershot S410 made them. Affordable and pocketsized!

Here is the updated Ivy info I promised. Man, I leave my computer for a few hours and you guys are all over the Wind project!!

Well, it is true, it went on sale a couple days ago and is totally reserved. Ms. Calderone fetched higher prices for Wind than the lucky devils that are converting contracts on Ivy at Riverfront. Agreed, that rendering posted on the condo commando site looks awful, but it really isn't that bad. Ivy is much better looking in my totally biased opinion. Luis Revuelta is the architect on both buidings. Click here for Ivy (http://www.theivymiami.com) Here is a better look at Wind.
http://www.restainer.com/theivy/windrendering.jpg

The projects are moving along nicely...the city will turn the one platted 13.5 acre chunk into 6 or so smaller parcels, and the cranes will get going!
The Major Use Special Permits have made it through staff easily enough and will likely be approved at the next Commission Meeting.
Ivy at Riverfront should be out of the ground first and the 2 northern most towers will be closing as the southern two towers are just removing cranes.

It may sound a little confusing, but these guys/girl know what they are doing!
Siteplan
http://www.restainer.com/theivy/siteplan.jpg




People are converting reservations on Ivy right now with significant appreciation above their reserved prices (and no, nobody's deposits are being returned :) )

whoa incredible

ok on the site they have a totally different building which one is it

thanks for the newer rendering and plan, hopefully the other 4 will be pretty tall, well they look like 40 story height range but w/e

i still think the wind belongs on the beach or in sunny isles.
it looks nice from that rendering, but itll fit in more if it were on the coast maybe hallandale beach

well, that rendering is a lot better than the other one, but it still ain't good enough. that building belongs in miami beach or aventura, not right smack in the middle of downtown.

from what i've seen so far of the plans for that lot, i like the original miami river village project a LOT better. as more renderings come out i may change my mind on this, though.

thanks for all the info, roark.

this new rendering looks nicer than b4, but still pretty ugly, dont think it belongs downtown, no offense roark, i luv u man, lol

that site plan looks pretty nice, but theyres alotta extra room, im sure they can beef up alotta those buildings, they look kinda skimpy, but im not crunching the financial numbers on it, im sure this just makes more sense

roark, do you know what's gonna be at street level for these towers? are they planning any retail or office space on the ground floors? just looking over the site plan you posted, i'm wondering what it would be like driving around the area once everything's built.

if there's something for the people (not just residents) at ground level, that would really help.

lets hope the other 4 make up for this one lool , lets hope theyre so tall that they block this one from view, and that theres massive 500+ scrapers surrounding this one to block it loool

god i hope so, i still think we should shoot her, solve all our problems, any volunteers, i think uptown, hes still a juvenile

well, that rendering is a lot better than the other one, but it still ain't good enough.
Well, I agree. This Wind has got nothing on Ivy, the Wind is a bit disappointing from what I've seen. Calderone/Cabrerra/Revuelta had a bit of a challenge, and they did the best that they could. If you saw the floor plans, you would be amazed of the success that they had. The orientation of the building really kills the views, especially the apts that will look directly at the next Calderone/Cabrerra building to the South.
But in fairness, they know their market, and the property sold out in no time at an avg price of over $385 per square foot (just a guess).
Once the entire Riverfront project gets rolling, we will see a truly spectacular concept unfold.
I'm still pretty excited by the public access from the River walk that allows anyone to have lunch or relax there.
http://www.restainer.com/theivy/riverwalk.jpg

Now, what if there was a place on the property to put your boat....stay tuned.

roark, do you know what's gonna be at street level for these towers? are they planning any retail or office space on the ground floors? just looking over the site plan you posted, i'm wondering what it would be like driving around the area once everything's built.
if there's something for the people (not just residents) at ground level, that would really help.
Yeah, yeah...this last post with the photo shows the public access (can't you tell by the blue of the river!?!?! :) )
There will be retail all along the street level, so far a coffee shop, a restaurant, a day care, and more neighborhood amenities. There will only be two entrances by car, and they will have guard gates (I hope that this discourages people form driving into the restaruants instead of walking), but the businessness are open to the community. And remember, if you leave Riverfront and walk under the Miami Avenue Bridge, you are at the Riverwalk MetroMover station. If you keep on walkin' you pass the Hyatt, the DuPont, One Miami, around the corner past the Intercontinental, then through Bayfront Park, then to Bayside to enjoy the view of the Marina and the orange shorts, then on to American Airlines Arena, on to Museum Park, then the Performing Arts Center, then....let's cross our fingers.
Although I'm not crazy about Wind, I am crazy about Ivy, and the big picture!
The River is great and getting better!

Roark -

Okay, my faith in humanity is restored (am I taking this too seriously ?).

Roark -
Okay, my faith in humanity is restored (am I taking this too seriously ?).
Finally a convert! m)) The crusade is working!
Lissette Calderone was the first to take a huge risk on the river, and for that I'm deeply appreciative. Truth is, that if she didn't everyone else would, but still...
It would be nice to lose the Neo from here on out...it just reminds me of a very compact General Motors car.

me likey ivy :)

me likey ivy 2... but me no likey wind

god i hope so, i still think we should shoot her, solve all our problems, any volunteers, i think uptown, hes still a juvenile

so are you nimby,and i'm only going to be a juvenile for another year and a half,you still got 3 to go.

ah, dammit, uptown, i guess ill have 2 do it...

DALE :) , I'm gonna Agree with you, ITS the STYLE of MARINA BLUE thats Gonna BE AWESOME, I mean take one GOOD look at that BUILDING, and the COLORS of GLASS to go up almost 600 FEET, ITS my Favorite TOO, Especially at NIGHT, its Going to be SHINNING Over Biscayne BAY, WOW. :cheers:

heye hey hey i thought u said its 625 feet,!

and also, i was talking 2 someone about 900 biscayne, and wats the limit in that area if u know, he said either 650 or 750 feet

yet 900 biscayne according to chuck is 712 feet how can this be???

TRUE MIAballinboi :) , 900 BISCAYNE is 712 Feet, its the Design on top of 900 that makes it Higher with the SPECIAL PERMIT, it got from the City of MIAMI. :cheers:
And I was just saying around How much for MARINA BLUE, it really is 625 FEET, just a little tired :sleepy: , LOL.

thnx chuck not bad we are getting 700 footers and the marquis u said is also 712? pretty good, but as uptowns signature, we are beggin for an 800 footer, but w/e well just become another boston crazily densed out city

Don't forget Met 2 at 750 feet, due to start in May !

Why, oh why can't they add another 50 feet ?!

DALE :) , I WISH , MET 2 Was 750 FEET, But NO CHANCE !!!, its only 565 FEET, Believe ME, its NOT over 600 FEET, its True, ONly MET 3 Will have that Height in the DUPONT PLAZA AREA. Its a Fact, But I wish it could be TALLER , too. :cheers:

Huh ? It was just announced at 750 feet. The office tower component was cancelled. It will be entirely residential, to begin in May.

Huh ? It was just announced at 750 feet. The office tower component was cancelled. It will be entirely residential, to begin in May.
DALE :) , again I WISH and HOPE Your Right :) ,, BUT on FRIDAY, Nov, 12th, I"LL go by with My Vehicle and ask at the SALES TRAILER on the MET 2 SITE, and make sure, But I'm sure I'm Right, Tomorrow is a COUNTY HOLIDAY, lol, I won't be Driving Around in circles, LOL. :cheers:

hahaha, didnt u read that big article in the herald, met 2 at SEVEN HUNDRED FITTY!

or maybe theyre referring to met3, but mostly met2

GO BY IN UR VEHICLE! and ask em!

rendering by rx showing all the new project parecels!

http://mywebpage.netscape.com/BallinBoi316/untitled.jpg

wow...awesome rendering....so many parcels...this really puts things in perspective, and this only downtown and Brickell (and not even all the projects) this is great stuff!

hahaha, didnt u read that big article in the herald, met 2 at SEVEN HUNDRED FITTY!

or maybe theyre referring to met3, but mostly met2

GO BY IN UR VEHICLE! and ask em!
YES YES yes MIAballinboi, :) I will go by and REALLY Find OUT, Friday, Tomorrow LOL, we will know SOON, the SALES Trailer on MET2 SITE is NOW OPEN, its a Good SIGN ! Should I drive a Pick-up by the MET Site with 4 Construction Men in my back bed ? :cheers:

No ! We need 40 construction men on that spot. Now !

hahahaha

hahahaha chuck! yes u should lool everyone else is

MEN :) and WOMEN :) , ITS Going to Happen, MIAMI will Finally get its FIRST TOWER over 800 FEET !!! :cheers:
ITS Still MET 3, and ITS going up BEFORE MET 2, IN FACT, The SALES Trailer will STAY on the MET 2 SITE for at least the NEXT 4 Years. The SALES Ladies There ARE SERIOUS about MET 3, Sales Start on MET 3 Next MONTH, DECEMBER, 2004, BEFORE MET 2 Sales Start. MET #3 Construction STARTS ,JUNE, 2005 , and WILL Take 3 and a HALF Years To Complete , THE END of 2008. :) MIAMI's NEXT TALLEST TOWER South Of ATLANTA of At least 812 FEET, and that's A FACT, JACK, !!! :cheers:
And I'll bet shes watching US as a Guest , Right Now, she wanted to join Us , shes very interested in all the Buildings going up in MIAMI other than The MET PROJECT. :)

MET 2 is said to be 750 ft
MET 3 is said to be 860 ft

hieghts might change depending on final selection of the top design
MDM Development Group.

MET 2 is said to be 750 ft
MET 3 is said to be 860 ft

hieghts might change depending on final selection of the top design
MDM Development Group.
RX :) , This Sales Lady knows whats going on at the SALES TRAILER on SITE :) , MET 2 will ONLY be 42 Stories, the SAME as MET 1, With The 4 Story Movie Theater and Entertainment CENTER in the CENTER. MET 3 WILL go up First, ITS A FACT,and she said it will probably be at least 3 years before MET 2 Ever Starts, MET 3 Sales BEGIN next Month, There's No plans for Sales for MET 2.
THE SCALE of the WHOLE MET PLANS are for REAL and Stay the Same as the Original PLANS. :cheers:

Now I'm really confused because last week an article in the herald said 72 stories, 750 ft. and a May 2005 groundbreaking.

from what i was told both remaining towers would be 60 and 72 stories

Now I'm really confused because last week an article in the herald said 72 stories, 750 ft. and a May 2005 groundbreaking.
DALE :) , Thats RIGHT about the 72 Stories, They Say a MAY, 2005 groundbreaking, DALE :) , You and I , we BOTH Know their always a MONTH LATE, and I'lll bet by then, I'm right, because the developers say a date about something and there are delays all the time. I Still Say a JUNE, 2005 Groundbreaking, I'll look back on this , 8 months from now, and Tell, you ,I told you I was right, lol. And Dale :) if you were there at the SALES Trailer on SITE, there's a MODEL of the Towers , Including the WACHOVIA Tower there , also, and MET 3 is WAY TALLER :) than the Wachovia TOWER, go and see it , yourself, You'll see it is Taller than the Others, Its all there. :cheers:

Maybe the 750 feet we heard is height to the *roof* without a decorative top ?

ahh wat a met mixup, 750 feet 850 feet 860 feet, lets hope met2 is 750 and met 3 is 860 that would be the best!!!!

only time can tell, well definetly know when its gonna break ground everyone will know!!

THE TALLEST ONE is going UP FIRST, END OF STORY.

Does any one know if the Flagler First development ever moved forward? This was one of my favorite developements in the CDB. The article below states they were having some finance problems.

http://www.miamitodaynews.com/news/030206/story4.shtml

MEN :) and WOMEN :) , ITS Going to Happen, MIAMI will Finally get its FIRST TOWER over 800 FEET !!! :cheers:
ITS Still MET 3, and ITS going up BEFORE MET 2, IN FACT, The SALES Trailer will STAY on the MET 2 SITE for at least the NEXT 4 Years. The SALES Ladies There ARE SERIOUS about MET 3, Sales Start on MET 3 Next MONTH, DECEMBER, 2004, BEFORE MET 2 Sales Start. MET #3 Construction STARTS ,JUNE, 2005 , and WILL Take 3 and a HALF Years To Complete , THE END of 2008. :) MIAMI's NEXT TALLEST TOWER South Of ATLANTA of At least 812 FEET, and that's A FACT, JACK, !!! :cheers:
And I'll bet shes watching US as a Guest , Right Now, she wanted to join Us , shes very interested in all the Buildings going up in MIAMI other than The MET PROJECT. :)


Finally! Florida will get it's first 800'+ building. And soon, too!

heres more from rx,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/wrestlechamp316/miami8002.jpg


also, this is a new tower, i think its 330 biscayne from rx

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/wrestlechamp316/render00buildingbizho.jpg

nice so is it going to be built

MIAballinboi :) , Are you SURE you got that Address RIGHT ? 330 Biscayne, To tell you the TRUTH :) , that building just GOT Renovated and HAS NEW OFFICE Tenants, I don't think THIS huge Building can FIT there next to the MARINA PARK HOTEL, also Known as BEST WESTERN. :cheers:

lol i dont know which one, i thought rx said 330 biscayne well hell tell us,

lol i dont know which one, i thought rx said 330 biscayne well hell tell us,
No Problem MIAballinboi :) , I 'll Just drive by there tomorrow in my Pick-up with 4 Construction Men in my Back Bed Singing Christmas Carols, lol. :cheers:

thats on 30th street and biscayne currently its just the small brown glass office building they are adding this tower to the property and remodelling the office building

wow...that's a really nice design...it'll look nice close to Blue up by 30th!!

haha u go do that chuck

heres more from rx,
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/wrestlechamp316/miami8002.jpg


also, this is a new tower, i think its 330 biscayne from rx

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/wrestlechamp316/render00buildingbizho.jpg

oh man, this is beautiful, wats the height on it? wheres it goin up, this is gonna b a nice one...

NIMBY :) , MIAballinboi :) , RX :) , STREET :) , Uptown-Midtown :) , Everyone :) , GUESS What !, The ADDRESS was Wrong, ITS " 3030 BISCAYNE BVLD ". I drove by there and Checked. Yep and my 4 Construction Men in My Back Bed of My Pick-up Truck, Were Singing Christmas Carols as we Drove By, lol :cheers:

its finally a building with a real spire!

Nice looking building. With that spire, it looks like it could be over 500', taller than Blue! Any word on the proposed height Chuck?

Pretty building. Miami needs more towers like the Four Seasons, clad in glass but also with balconies on some of the units. I think The Plaza might be a little overkill with balconies and its white-ish color. need more photos. However, Jade, with tinted glass railing, helps break up the white nicely.

Very Scary....


http://flatrock.org.nz/topics/environment/assets/tornado_miami.jpg

haha nice street, so does anyone have an height estimate on this beautiful spired building

i say about 400ft,also isn't that over by the legal services bldg on biscayne.also this is a building that would look great in downtown as much as i love uptown this design would go great where 50 biscayne is at right next to the tall spire from the bankatlantic building

Loft I


http://newconstruction.cc/Loft_Images/TheLoftDowntown/THELOFTDT1.jpg


Met


http://www.blue-estate.com/IMG/jpg/downtown.jpg

Very Scary....


http://flatrock.org.nz/topics/environment/assets/tornado_miami.jpg

Very cool shot! :) Is that the tornado over biscayne bay about three years ago? That was something ! :)

The tornado was more like 5 or 6 years ago wasn't it? Went right through the northern edge of downtown and then right down I-195

Check out the new renderings of 900 Biscayne !

www.miami900.com

A couple of pics show 900 next to a silhouete of Marina Blue.

yeah, that tornado was more like 5 or 6 years ago. i remember all the news footage of it going right over the mcarthur. good thing it was only an F1.

btw, dale, those renderings have been on that site for a few months now. they're definitely cool, though!

i just grabbed this from the webcam a few minutes ago. looks like cement mixers are on the marinablue site. foundation work should be starting real soon!
http://live6.truelook.com/timages/live6/ecodb/ecodb_wachovia_camera1/imgbuf/buf_880/1100773945902838.jpg

True. It looks like the auger cast concrete pile installation should be starting shortly, if it hasn't aready. It is going to be interesting to watch these 3 buildings go up (ten museum park, 900 biscayne & marina blue) over the next year or so. It's going to look like a race to the clouds! Of course, tmp will take the early lead, followed by mb, but then coming in last and passing them both will be 900, who will come from behind and win the race!

I'm really loving 900 Biscayne now.

www.miami900.com

Check out the rendering by the silhouette of Marina Blue !

Your right, thats awesome!

UPDATE 08/11/2004


East Tower
50 stories high.
comprised of a Hotel and Condo/Hotel.
Cabans with A/C, running water (fully equiped) will be located on the amenties deck on the 14th floor

West Tower
60 stories high
strickly residential condos
Amenities deck on the 14th floor
Bridge located on the 14th floor will connect the East Tower to the West Tower which allows residences to access spa, dinning, and other activies within the Hotel.

Lofts will range in square feet from 1,200-1,400

14 stories of parking

A Boardwalk will be located around the southeast side of:
both the East and West Tower.

Information provided by Lionstone Development Group

also check the map and link below a few projects are in confidential state at this moment one of them is around the freedom tower property

http://www.hicorpusa.com/TIGrealty/DTMiami/Downtown.html

also check the map and link below a few projects are in confidential state at this moment one of them is around the freedom tower property

http://www.hicorpusa.com/TIGrealty/DTMiami/Downtown.html

Look like there is something happenging at 330 Biscayne ("T" in the photo) after all. This lists it as Project in Planing Stage.

Hey Rx, that's exciting. I might be mistaken, but Lionstone might have posted the info reversed. According the posted renderings, the shorter tower is on the western portion of the Dupont site, which will be built first, and the second, wider and taller tower, is east of the first tower, closer to Met I.

I think they increased the height of Met 2 in response to the Dupont proposals.

Regarding the 'holy triumvirate' of Marina/900/Ten, and the Marquis, and then Opus (it just keeps going...), that neighborhood of skyscrapers, in design, height and location, will rival Chicago's best mini pockets of scrapers and NYC's (not as much though b/c there are way too many scrapers in NYC). The only other cities that come close-maybe, are like L.A. (a bunch of glass boxes clumped together- not bad), Philly of course, Houston, Dallas, etc...

The point is, the only cities with really tall and attractive residential towers in that fashion are Chicago on Lake Shore Drive, and NYC. (in the US, that is). Miami has the ability to best Chicago to an extent in building up the skyline of Biscayne all the way to Blue. I mean, Regarding Ice2 and Ten (Oppenheim), you gotta look pretty hard to find new or old towers in the US with better more modern designs than those- and I know, b/c for the last 20 years, I have kept track of new construction and scrapers in most all the major US cities- and some world cities, and right now, MIAMI design and construction is out of control.

(I'm no expert, but skyscrapers have been a hobby of mine since I was 11. And I'm telling you, when this new construction getts further into it and more projects get announced, Miami metro will leave Atlanta in the dust (So Fla already has tons more scyscrapers than Atlanta (Miami-Ft.L-PBCo), San Fran, already bested San Diego, etc. MIAMI's geography is only rivaled by Manhattan, Chicago's lake shore, San Fran (maybe), and Toronto's lake shore. Miami has a wonderful, natural advantage (and artificial).

Also, Collins already rivals the drive on Chicago's Lake Shore. Imagine how Biscayne will look when the PAC opens and the museums at the park get built. When Icon is done, think of how dramatic the view will be on the way into Miami Beach. Stunning. Imagine if the two Watson Island projects get built. Holy cow.

You are right on...all the beautiful structures on Biscayne add to an already word class skyline. The $400Million + PAC will be one of the best 3 in the USA...there will be arguments from the Lincoln Center and Kennedy Center people as to which city has the best performing arts center. It is a really great time to be alive in the CBD!
Don't forget how great the Macarthur causway view of Bently Bay is...that should be finished at about the same time as the 'holy triumvirate'

Much as I like the map, it does not address the rumblings I've heard regarding plans for the blocks to the west of Marina Blue, Ten Museum and 900 Biscayne.

well thats what i thought but the info was updated this month so from the looks of it they might have changed the heights around being that the other way was a bit intrusive and overbearing on the skyline and this way they had a stepping up and down effect.

looks like the redesign in height is so they can build taller towards the west and match up the height with metropolitans planned 800 & 900 ft towers going up. giving the skyline a bit more symetry and order.

looks like the redesign in height is so they can build taller towards the west and match up the height with metropolitans planned 800 & 900 ft towers going up. giving the skyline a bit more symetry and order.

yep...and I think that's a great idea!! :)

Regarding the 'holy triumvirate' of Marina/900/Ten, and the Marquis, and then Opus (it just keeps going...), that neighborhood of skyscrapers, in design, height and location, will rival Chicago's best mini pockets of scrapers and NYC's (not as much though b/c there are way too many scrapers in NYC). The only other cities that come close-maybe, are like L.A. (a bunch of glass boxes clumped together- not bad), Philly of course, Houston, Dallas, etc...

The point is, the only cities with really tall and attractive residential towers in that fashion are Chicago on Lake Shore Drive, and NYC. (in the US, that is). Miami has the ability to best Chicago to an extent in building up the skyline of Biscayne all the way to Blue. I mean, Regarding Ice2 and Ten (Oppenheim), you gotta look pretty hard to find new or old towers in the US with better more modern designs than those- and I know, b/c for the last 20 years, I have kept track of new construction and scrapers in most all the major US cities- and some world cities, and right now, MIAMI design and construction is out of control.

(I'm no expert, but skyscrapers have been a hobby of mine since I was 11. And I'm telling you, when this new construction getts further into it and more projects get announced, Miami metro will leave Atlanta in the dust (So Fla already has tons more scyscrapers than Atlanta (Miami-Ft.L-PBCo), San Fran, already bested San Diego, etc. MIAMI's geography is only rivaled by Manhattan, Chicago's lake shore, San Fran (maybe), and Toronto's lake shore. Miami has a wonderful, natural advantage (and artificial).


Also, Collins already rivals the drive on Chicago's Lake Shore. Imagine how Biscayne will look when the PAC opens and the museums at the park get built. When Icon is done, think of how dramatic the view will be on the way into Miami Beach. Stunning. Imagine if the two Watson Island projects get built. Holy cow.


My heart beats so fast when I read this!! :banana2:

So, what's up with Asia, are they in the selling phase yet!


http://www.hicorpusa.com/TIGrealty/DTMiami/DwtnResources/asia-pic1.gif


http://www.hicorpusa.com/TIGrealty/DTMiami/DwtnResources/Brickell-Key1.gif


More density for Brickell Key!

great asia,

get that crappy gas station outta the way and build another 60 story tower on biscayne!

great news

http://www.hicorpusa.com/TIGrealty/DTMiami/Downtown.html

so whats going on at h and s

Hey Rx, that's exciting. I might be mistaken, but Lionstone might have posted the info reversed. According the posted renderings, the shorter tower is on the western portion of the Dupont site, which will be built first, and the second, wider and taller tower, is east of the first tower, closer to Met I.

I think they increased the height of Met 2 in response to the Dupont proposals.

yeah.. that information is not accurate. It's all mixed up. :bash:




Bridge located on the 14th floor will connect the East Tower to the West Tower which allows residences to access spa, dinning, and other activies within the Hotel.



...mmmh.. ..the renderings don't show such bridge. Cool idea but I don't think this is true. :nono:

So, what's up with Asia, are they in the selling phase yet!


http://www.hicorpusa.com/TIGrealty/DTMiami/DwtnResources/asia-pic1.gif


http://www.hicorpusa.com/TIGrealty/DTMiami/DwtnResources/Brickell-Key1.gif


More density for Brickell Key!
STREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET :) , THIS IS AWESOME :) !, How can they fit that ASIA Tower in there, WOW, :) I'm glad you got that PIC. :cheers:
NOW, :) What ABOUT the SOUTH SIDE of Brickell KEY, the EMPTY LOT to the BOTTOM of the PICS ??? :cheers:

...mmmh.. ..the renderings don't show such bridge. Cool idea but I don't think this is true. :nono:


well...tehy're probably talking about the large basal podium that both buildings will ridse out of, I don't think they're just making up stuff!

great cant wait for the south brickell key project, that better be BIIGG,

and tall! cant wait to see this

it looks shorter than carbonell and tequesta,and will probably be shaped like tequesta inorder to use all the land possible.

any renderings?

don't think so

3. Consideration of a Major Use Special Permit for The Loft 2 Project located at approximately 133 NE 2nd Avenue, 226 NE 2nd Street and 236 NE 2nd Street. No.: 2004-073 Applicant: Gloria M. Velazquez, on behalf of TRG-Downtown Loft II, Ltd. contract purchaser and Rafael Kapustin, Trustee,
owner. Consideration of a Resolution approving with conditions a Major Use Special Permit pursuant to Articles 13 and 17 of Zoning Ordinance No. 11000, as amended, the The Loft 2 Project located at approximately 133 NE 2nd Avenue, 226 NE 2nd Street and 236 NE 2nd Street, Miami, Florida, to construct a 433-foot, 35-story high mixed use structure to be comprised of 496 total multifamily residential units with recreational amenities, approximately 4,675 square feet of retail, with up to 500 parking spaces to be provided in the City of Miami Parking Garage No. 3, located at 190 NE 3rd Street.

4. Consideration of a Substantial Modification to Major Use Special Permit for the 50 Biscayne Project (f.k.a. Columbus Office Tower), Resolution No. 04-0111, located at approximately 50 Biscayne Boulevard.No.: 2004-079 Applicant: Lucia A. Dougherty, Esq. on behalf of Columbus Development, LLC. Consideration of a Resolution, approving with conditions, a Substantial Modification to a Major Use Special Permit, Resolution No. 04-0111, pursuant to Articles 17 and 22 of Zoning Ordinance No. 11000, as amended, for the 50 Biscayne Project located at approximately 50 Biscayne Boulevard, Miami, Florida, to allow a change to the original application from a 578-foot, 38-story building comprised of approximately 661,593 sq. ft. of office space, 29,508 sq. ft. of retail space, and 1,260 total parking spaces to a 554-foot, 55-story building comprised of 523 residential units, approximately 15,517 sq. ft. of retail/restaurant, and 722 total parking spaces.

5. Consideration of a Substantial Modification to Major Use Special Permit for the Metropolitan Project (f.k.a. One Miami Parcels B, C, D MUSP), Resolution No. 98-1151, located at approximately 300 & 200 S.E. 3rd Street and 200 S.E. 2nd Street. No.: 2004-044 Applicant: Gilberto Pastoriza, Esq. on behalf of owners as listed in Exhibit “A” of the application. Consideration of a resolution, approving with conditions, a Substantial Modification to a Major Use Special Permit, Resolution No. 98-1151, pursuant to Articles 17 and 22 of Zoning Ordinance No. 11000, as amended, for Metropolitan Project located at approximately 300 & 200 S.E. 3rd Street and 200 S.E. 2nd Street, Miami, Florida, to allow a change in the original application from 227,625 square feet of non-residential floor area and 4,284 parking spaces (as modified by Resolution No. 02-1249) to approximately 736,700 square feet and 3,716 parking spaces; and to preserve the 1,500 dwelling units approved pursuant to Resolution No. 02-1249. 444 SW 2ND AVENUE, 3RD FLOOR �� MIAMI, FLORIDA, 33130 PHONE (305) 416-1400
Printed on 5/13/2004 2

great upadates rx so 50 biscayne was 578 foot when it was an office building and now is 554 feet, cool,

and it dont say the height of met miami, well just have to see thnx

great upadates rx so 50 biscayne was 578 foot when it was an office building and now is 554 feet, cool,

and it dont say the height of met miami, well just have to see thnx
MIAballinboi :) , THEY won't SAY, because that was Just for the Parking Garage and the WHOLE FOOD MARKET on the GROUND FLOOR.
The 72 Story MET TOWER is being PUT on top of the PARKING GARAGE. :cheers:
Which MEANS :) , they Cannot Determine HOW HIGH The TOWER will BE, IT could GO HIGHER than 850, BUT I Doubt THAT, I still SAY 836 DOLPHIN FEET, lol. :cheers: Remember, COMPLETION, LATE , 2008, JANUARY 1st, 2009, :) A HUGE GRAND OPENING of the Whole Foods Market !!! :cheers:

lol thx chuck,

so the 72 stories is on top of a parking garage so its actully more than 72 stories, lets say the parking garage is like 8 stories thats a total of 80 STORIES!!

cant wait thnx for the info

http://www.bcarchitects.com/miariver.swf

So, was Loft II approved at 433 ft./35 stories, as well as 50 Biscayne at 554 ft./55 stories? I'm emailing Paul with the updates to put them at least as proposed on the emporis list. Post any update whether they've been approved. I think 50 Biscayne has been... not sure...

I just emailed Paul with the updates... I told him to place them as proposed until further notice...

Was driving by the American Airlines arena last night after Heat game...I just don't get how this is an appealing area...900, Marina Blue, Ten Museum all claim the area will be cleaned up, but where will everyone park for Heat games, etc? I just don't see how this area could be more appealing than the Brickell area...sure, unobstructed bay views, but you can't walk out your door and take a walk around the street without your life in jeopardy. Any comments agreeing or disagreeing??????

I met Hank in 1999, and I joked at the time about having to wear a Kevlar vest while visiting the Biscayne corridor." With the partial divestiture of Sopher's estimated $150 million portfolio.

well all jokes aside i have to say is that i dont see where you get the idea ones life would be in jeopardy?

downtown miami is considerably safer then it was before actually 77% safer since 1996-1997 figures crime has indeed gone down where its almost non existent. visitor robberies where about 650 a year now they are 15 in 2002 and 25 in 2003 so they have gone down alot the years before that they had averaged 35 a year not bad for a big city with millions of tourist a year.

http://www.mdpd.com/Press%20releases/Crimestats/2003%20crimestats-complete.pdf

and with all these people and units lining the street i dont see how you could imagine that you could get mugged shot raped or anything else for that matter with thousands of residents dining outside and thousand others enjoying the breeze from thier balcony.

brickell with all the units it has now and being that they are half empty through out the year is safe so why should downtown miami cbd be any different?

ps the heat will park at these towers most of the towers will have extra parking and hank sopher being the brilliant guy he is has kept the valet parking rights to most of his properties. last i knew he owned most of those lots until developers came and struck a deal with him then he sold but not giving up his parking rights.

heres a little background info for you.

There are about parking 400 lots in Miami.

Quik Park owns and runs about 15 parking lots on Biscayne Boulevard and across the commercial business district. Sopher owns most of the parking lots his company operates and has put many of the parcels up for sale to be developed as high-rise buildings

New York parking magnate Hank Sopher, who bought the 550 Brickell Building and adjacent parking lot a little more than a year ago, said the market has matured more quickly than he anticipated and he's looking for a development partner.

south beach = Quik Park, owned by parking magnate Jacob ''Hank'' Sopher, says it can operate the facility at a cheaper rate than even the city can

http://www.ci.miami.fl.us/mayor/pages/city_news/pressrelease/ISRAELI.htm

A little change of subject: What do you guys think of the new Federal Courthouse building going up downtown? I think its my personal favorite along with ESB of the recent new developments.

http://img85.exs.cx/img85/4268/courthouse1.jpg

its ok

my guess is that your into concave and convex designs
being that esp and the fed courthouse are similiar in this geometry

its nice and i think it has underground parking

Was driving by the American Airlines arena last night after Heat game...I just don't get how this is an appealing area...900, Marina Blue, Ten Museum all claim the area will be cleaned up, but where will everyone park for Heat games, etc? I just don't see how this area could be more appealing than the Brickell area...sure, unobstructed bay views, but you can't walk out your door and take a walk around the street without your life in jeopardy. Any comments agreeing or disagreeing??????
COME ON !!!, Downtowner :) , LETS sing the SONG Together " DOWNTOWN, This is the PLace to GO, Downtown !!!, we'll clean up the Problems for you, Downtown !, Downtown !, :) Great Song. :cheers: Petula Clark
OF COURSE, The Area around ALL 4 of thses 500 PLUS TOWERS will be Cleaned up :bash: , its in the CITY BUDGET, to Clean out the Homeless, Shoooooot them ON SITE :bash: ! lol. I wish, :jk: , But , these Towers will have an EFFECT on the CLEAN UP in this AREA, and When the Peforming Arts Center opens in 2 years, These Towers will still be UNDER Construction and The CITY will have this AREA Ready for you to walk Up and Down Biscayne BLVD with out a Homeless Person :bash: coming out and ask you for some money, They'll be a COP on every Corner by then Shooooting the Homeless :bash: to make the Million Dollar Condo Residents SAFEn to Walk Outdoors !!!, lol :) . :cheers:

yea biscayne is only going to be for the rich,were going to be the ones begging for money when its all done.

yea biscayne is only going to be for the rich,were going to be the ones begging for money when its all done.
GOSH Uptown-Midtown :) , That MEANS You and I are gonna GET SHOT :bash: by the POLICE, lol., RUN For It, !!! :runaway: I have to Admit it, I"M NOT RICH, lol. :cheers:

none of us are

hey everyone don't forget to play the lotto

60 million

imagine how many condos i could buy with that

Probably fewer condos than the government could buy with the millions and millions they reserve the right to confiscate from your winnings. :wink2:

damn your right,freakin taxes

damn your right,freakin taxes
DARN BRITISH, EveryONE :) Kill the RED COATS, All they Want is TAXES, Taxing My Butt, Next !!! and Taxing MY TEA !, I say Throw all the TEA Bags in BISCAYNE BAY, it will make it SMELL Better :) , The Miami River needs Some TEA, too. :cheers:

yea miami tea party,well i never knew the city made so much money from property taxes.every project they approve seems to give them millions in property tax.with all the money these condos are making the city you'd think they'd spread the wealth.

May I have a little lime and sugar in my Biscayne tea ? :)

LOOL this is hilarious, lool chuck

everytime i would pass by with friends and they see the buildings, they would say WHO WOULD WANNA LIVE DOWNTOWN?/ like its a bad place, and im telling em its gonna be totally different, they dont know whats coming, well c in a couple years

yeah lets hope the millionaires dont get begged by bums, lool chuck copos on every conrner

hopefully thiefs will stay away from the area

hopefully thiefs will stay away from the area
Or they'll be SHOT ON SITE :bash: , Manny Diaz :) Has a New Law in 2008 , SHOOT TO KILL any Thief :bash: , NO TRIAL, Guilty on site of the Crime : :cheers: .

All Intruders Will Be Shot

Survivors Will Be Shot Again

Hi guys...
I need opinions...I placed a deposit on a 1 bedroom, den, 1.5 bath unit at 900 Biscayne...it's on the 48th floor, 971 interior sq. ft. with 224 sq. ft. terrace...the unit faces directly east. The price is 437,000. Is this a good deal or will I get a better investment opportunity elsewhere? I'm wavering...awesome views, but don't know if the price is high and if the neighborhood is desirable? Any and all opinions are welcomed! Thanks from Lauderdale.

I'm sure Roark and others could tell you!

Downtowner........I think that is a good deal. It works out at $450 a square foot......which is reasonable for a direct east/bay facing view and a high floor. Most preconstruction apartments with bay/east facing views in downtown and brickell are now selling for atleast $450 to $550 a square foot....sometimes higher and your building is very high end.....in fittings and also design....so would sell in the upper range of that bracket very easily. ANd your balcony is fairly big for the size of you apartment which is a big bonus.

I agree with your concerns with the neighborhood........but I can see it is only a matter of time before it changes....and to an extent I think it has already improved significantly. As these massive apartments starting rising up from the ground.........that is when prices will really start appreciating in downtown. I have no doubt that the area on Biscayne Blvd will improve. It might just take a little longer before the area west of Biscayne sees changes........I still consider that a fairly dangerous area. But remember........South of Fith on South Beach use to be dangerous as well!

south florida waterviews are dissapearing

so that unit in 900 biscayne will be worth a pretty penny 5 years from now
and a whole lot more 10 years down the line.

its a good deal if u let us throw a party at ur place when its done lool j/k

sounds like a good deal, over 500 feet in the air great views! good luck

im sorry to be a party pooper but i think theres cheaper out ther in my opinion both 10 mus. and 900 are a bit overpriced compared to 50,evgd,marinablue, and maybe the marquis, i heard that evgd. had condos on like the 30th floor with 800 sq and a good sized balcony for 310k

Everglades...although a nice building.......is lower in the luxury scale compared with 900 Biscayne. The fitout at 900 includes sub zero refridge. and miele appliances, higher end cabinets and spa rooms in each apartment....while Everglades have GE Profile stainless Steel appliances and slightly lower end cabinets etc...
Although I can appreciate the design of everglades........I dont' like how the two building design reduces your privacy when you're out on your balcony....ie. people on the other building can see right into your apartment.

According to this website http://www.markzilbert.com/miami_everglades_on_the_bay.asp a studio apartment on the 39th floor at the everglades with 718sf is selling for $430,000!!!! I would much rather have the apartment at 900 Biscayne any day!!

I think Marina Blue was underpriced........which is why it sold out so fast. Ten Muesum is amazing.......fit out there is very expensive.

Although there's certainly not anything wrong with GE Profile appliances.

(I sell GE equipment). :wink2:

good point marky mark

good point marky mark
GOOD POINT MARKY MARK :) , YES , Good Point Uptown-midtown :) , REMEMBER SOUTH BEACH 18 YEARS ago, Below 5th STREET, YES , I DO, it was BAD, So BAD, you get MUGGED :bash: in a Heartbeat, IT was rock throwing at windows, Tourists got Mugged :bash: and Raped and Kidnapped and Beaten with 2 by 4's :bash: , It WAS Gang Town with Immirgation at its HIGHEST Place, It was Hell in that South Beach area, But look at it NOW, a COP on every Corner Shooting any anyone ON SITE :bash: .
" DOWNTOWN MIAMI :) ' WILL Change and IT IS Changing NOW everyday, and WILL be the NEXT South BEACH :) , but will be " SOUTH TOWN " Instead. :cheers:

Posted by Pengh over at SSP



http://tomslounge.com/albums/Miami/DSC02529_001.jpg

yeah! i love that view coming off of the flyover. was never able to snap a pic though.

thanks for posting this street.

thanks for posting all these streets , keep em coming if u see more!

Just so you guys know, when this thread hits 500, it will have to be closed, archived and a new one created.

^what?? what bout that tampa thread that has like over a 1000?? darn,

Hi guys...
I need opinions...I placed a deposit on a 1 bedroom, den, 1.5 bath unit at 900 Biscayne...it's on the 48th floor, 971 interior sq. ft. with 224 sq. ft. terrace...the unit faces directly east. The price is 437,000. Is this a good deal or will I get a better investment opportunity elsewhere? I'm wavering...awesome views, but don't know if the price is high and if the neighborhood is desirable? Any and all opinions are welcomed! Thanks from Lauderdale.I'd agree with MarkyMark...compared to 900 Bisc. Everglades is several notches down the ladder. $450 per sq is up there, but it really depends on what you are doing with it, if you are living in it, then that is a really great deal, because you won't find a better view/amenity/price equation. If you are looking for pure investment, then you could probably do better, simply because 900 Biscayne has been selling for a while and that is likely a late price list. The day buildings are offered, you are usually buying at a discount, maybe a 5 - 7 % discount to their price 2 or 3 days after the offering. That is significant, about $20k in your example. By the time that the building has been 65% sold out, it has likely increased 10 -14% from the original pricing.
What that means is, that when the building is finished, people close on their apartments, and begin to resell, anyone that paid 15 to 20% below what you paid (maybe $80,000 less), are going to be willing to take a lower price than you are willing to, and the market in that building will be pretty soft for several months.
If you are going to live in the apartment for a while...that temporary softness won't matter. Additionally, people that sell right after closing are usually going to have capital gains taxed at ordinary income if they don't 1031 exchange it or hold it for more than a year from closing.
Of the buildings in that area, 900 Biscayne and 10 Museum really take the cake! You will be very happy with that view and a terrace 25% the size of your living space!

New loft tower for western Brickell.

"The 25-story tower for Developer Alfredo Acosta's Reflections on the Miami River would replace warehouses on the 200 block of Southwest Sixth Street. Acosta said prices would start at $300,000 a unit.

Retail is planned for the ground floor, possibly a waterfront restaurant, he said.

The projects join two other condos under way next to the Second Avenue bridge: the 400-plus-unit Latitude on the River and 443-unit Neo Vertika.

Acosta said he plans to break ground in 2005 and has his eyes on other river properties. He said he has been in development for 25 years with projects in Colombia and Texas."

http://southflorida.bizjournals.com/southflorida/stories/2004/11/29/story6.html

Just so you guys know, when this thread hits 500, it will have to be closed, archived and a new one created.

ya, like miaballin said, tampa has 1000 posts, wat gives man, im sick of the anti-miami sentiment amongst our non miami floridian brotherin, lol

we need a miami forum

^Yes indeed. Maybe a Vegas one soon.

The firm Concalpro, comprising net Venezuelan capital, is planning to build in Doral, in front of International Mall, a building called 10-floor condo-hotel Eurossuites. '' The market of real estate in Miami is very stable, the financing is accessible and the rules of clear play'', affirmed Adel Wulff, owner of the firm of Venezuelan origin. The Mexican firm Cabi Developers, the division in the United States of GICSA, the major real estate development conglomerate in the Aztec country, is building four projects in Miami: Everglades on the Bay (where was the historic one Everglades Hotel, built in 1926), in the south extreme of Biscayne Boulevard, with 851 residential units of luxury; the building of the Country Club Center, in Aventura; The Turnberry Ocean Colony in SunnyBeach, and Turnberry Village in Aventura, a complex of twin towers. The Hispanic builders headed the list of the groups with greater projects of construction in Miami-Dade, according to a joint report of the firm of analysis Integrates Realty and the Association of southern Builders from the Florida the biggest of all the firms is The Related Group, of the Argentine Jorge Pérez, that registered in last year $1,000 million in sales, a figure is expected to duplicate Roberto Rocha, vice president of the group currently, The Related Group has 24 projects in construction, with around 9,000 units in Miami-Dade and Broward, and has in project for the nearby future the construction of 4,000 units additional.among these projects are found buildings quoted as Marina aventura and The Venture in Aventura; Murano Large and Icon, in Miami Beach; the Loft Downtown and the One Miami, .The boom of the construction has also attracted the attention of firms and architects renown of new York and Chicago, and of international groups of countries as Russia and Israel.The new york firm Intell Management & Investment Co. plans to build Avenue, in Brickell ave., with 570 units, a 35-floor tower, and a 12-floor garage also in Brickell, the firm Brack Capital Group projects to raise the building Axis, of 700 units.in Sunny Isles, more 50 percent of the urbanizations they are headed by Russian groups, according to a report of the Russian Center of the Florida. The renowned architect Richard Meier and the children of the famous architect Chinese I.M. Pei are designing for the firm Lynx Strategic Development two projects in Miami and in Surfside, respectively.Meier designed a 12-floor condominium and $170 million in Surfside, in the place where now is the Beach House Hotel, that will be knocked down. The responsible for this project they include a pool of investors of Chile, Venezuela and Colombia.The group of Pei designed a building of $300 million for mixed use in an area close to the avenue Brickell.

we need a miami forum

98% of the florida posts are from miami anyway :cheers:



^Yes indeed. Maybe a Vegas one soon.

I love Vegas and I wish they had a forum. They are not even in the west coast forum. They are in the North America one in general. :)

I don't understand why some of the Miami people are saying they want to segregate themselves from the Florida forum. Miami may be the most represented city on this forum, but there are big projects in other areas of the state going on as well. If it weren't for Miami, the rest of FL probably wouldn't have its own forum and would be lumped in with the Southern forum where it would basically have no representation at all, despite all of these projects that are going on. Is this the Miami forerunners way of saying that the rest of FL doesn't matter and that you all shouldn't have to tolerate the other FL cities being on the same forum as you? Being a native Floridian, I love reading about ALL of the Florida cities in one place, not skipping from one forum to another. I'm also a little incenced that some of you feel your city is too bigtime too be thrown into the same forum with all of the other lesser represented 'unworthy' FL cities. At least, that's the impression I get.

I've also read that there is a belief that other FL forerunners pick on Miami and its forerunners. I believe that's the exception rather than the rule. Most of the time Miami is getting props by other FL forerunners, including myself. I'm personally thrilled to see Miami getting the caliber of major projects that are being proposed and built. I'm also glad to see Miami finally getting a lot of positive recognition in the mainstream media, and hope it never stops.

It wasn't that long ago that ALL the FL forerunners supported each other and got along with each other. I hope that's not coming to an end.

i agree with sunstorm, lets keep it how it is , come on this topic is getting closer to 500 lets put this in another thread, lol if we delete the stupid posts on this thread, it can still be saved!!

when have we said that the rest of florida doesn't matter,all that were saying is that other florida cities have a sticky on there devlopments but miami can't seem to get one, and jason always seems to pick on the miami threads.

i think most miamiians want to have a seperate forum just to make us feel that miami is an important city,or atleast thats the way i feel.or maybe its becuase we feel that we don't have the liberty to do what we want here.
i think you're incorrect in saying that we don't care about other cities in florida because most of the miami people start threads on other cities,take pictures of other cities,and express there opinions of other cities.

There is no reason to change something that works perfectly well the way it is. It seems that recently we have new members here disturbing the peace. Florida is a great place, collectively!

Uptown-midtown, Jason doesn't pick on the Miami threads.. The other cities have stickies because all they need is one thread while the Miamians(basically) take over the rest of the forum.. Not that its bad, I mean how are we supposed to keep it all in three or four threads. Like the Miami = Brickell Financial District or Miami = Bla,Bla,Bla are the main threads but then somebody opens the Miami Project Rundown thread to show pics. But can you blame him? those were awesome pics and he just wanted to share his pics..

But I think alot of the threads started are unnecessary. If we could stick to the Miami = Sumthin,sumthin threads that would be awesome. Also, I think Miami should have a sticky but just a rundown with renderings (RX's thread would be perfect) cuz we're always getting new people who just jump on and get way lost and ask about ancient developments. We should put a "All Miamians- read here before posting" sticky, lol

the system works perfectly well the way it is... miami just isnt big time enough for its own forum, i mean, i luv my town, but can u put it at the same level as new york, chciago, la, and toronto? as much development as were gettin, itll take a long time b4 we ever get to that level

i also gotta disagree that miamians dont care or think theyre better than the rest of florida's cities, thats simply not true, we just get so caught up in the fact that we have so many large projects goin on at once, we see one or two from another city and dismiss it, which we are wrong to do... the all florida forum i think was a great idea and i for one dont think we should change it at all

jason doesnt pick on us, more of a parental figure tryin to keep us in line, so we dont run over our state brothers, stickying the threads of other cities was a great idea, and my props to u man, u keep this place goin...

^what?? what bout that tampa thread that has like over a 1000?? darn,


And where is that thread? Gone


And where is every single thread anywhere on SSC that has over 500 posts? Gone.


This isn't from me, this is straight from Jan, the guy who singlehandedly pays the bill. he wants all of those threads gone from here on out, because they drag on the server disproportionately. So getting rid of them saves him money, which is fine with me, since we're all here for free on his dime anyways.

true jan is a great guy having this forum for us,

nevermind, its actually a great idea, plus the info is still there just in the archive, i saw that new tampa thread it has a link to the old one,

its a good idea :)

question to all in between the freedom tower and marina ble the land 700 biscayne (parking lot) has any one heard of projects to rise their

666 biscayne planned offices next to that planned condos developer is the same owner as paramount at edge water square

666 biscayne planned offices next to that planned condos developer is the same owner as paramount at edge water square
TRUE RX :) , They are BUILDING a HUGE SALES CENTER Right There at the Railroad TRACKS , NORTH SIDE :) of the Tracks, and ITS for that 600 BISCAYNE PROPERTY :) , THIS is Going to be HUGE, Another TOWER I BET in that 600 BISCAYNE Parking LOT :) . Looks RIPE for a HUGE TOWER !!! :cheers:

Wow never heard of anything going up at 600 Biscayne. Isn't that right next to the Greyhound Station? Thats gonna be a tight fit. Chuck let us know when the Sales Center releases renderings..

Wow never heard of anything going up at 600 Biscayne. Isn't that right next to the Greyhound Station? Thats gonna be a tight fit. Chuck let us know when the Sales Center releases renderings..
WELL :) , The 1 and ONLY CUBAN :) , On Biscayne Blvd , really there's NO Greyhound Station around that Freedom Tower, which is SOUTH OF the RailROAD Tracks. :cheers:
BUT to the NORTH of the RAILROAD TRACKS, They're BUILDING a HUGE SALES CENTER, Its GOT 2 HUGE SALES Trailers , ALL GRAY, with a HUGE AWNNING on top of BOTH of them in the Middle , its like a PATIO for Benches and Chairs, THIS is HUGE, and its for One of Those Parking Lots Accross the Street JUST NORTH of the FREEDOM TOWER !!! :cheers:

Chuck,
I'm going to the grand opening of 900 Biscayne sales center tonight...the address is 666 Biscayne....perhaps what you are referring to is actually the sales center for 900.

yea thats the 900 biscayne opening,even though 900 biscayne is almost soldout

yea thats the 900 biscayne opening,even though 900 biscayne is almost soldout
Uptown-Midtown :) , Your Right its almost 70 % SOLD OUT, and Tonight's the Celebration !, Just Like the Celebration of the OPERA TOWER 2 months ago. :cheers:
THIS Great Thread of the MIAMI :) , DOWNTOWN CENTRAL District Will Be HISTORY when I get Back from THE NORTH around the 13th or 14th of December, So, hopefully No one will forget all the GREAT POSTS we did in the Past 5 months HERE, IT was a Great INFO on MANY of the CENTRAL DOWNTOWN Projects Especially The Everglades on the Bay and 50 BISCAYNE, Marina Blue, 900 Biscayne, MET PROJECT, IVY, Dupont PLAZA, ONE MIAMI, First Flagler, TEN Museum Park tower, and SO MANY More , IT was Memorable and YOU MEN and Any Women here MADE IT HAPPEN With Great INFO, So As I go to CHICAGO Tomorrow morning ,Be back on the 13th, I hope. :)
I will TOAST MY DRINK to this GREAT THREAD, GOOD BYEEEEEEEEEEE !!! :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:

it wont be forgotten, ill miss this thread

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Hey ya'll remember the Isreali's who were gonna invest billions of dollars into the miami real estate market. I think the article appeared in Miami Today and somebody posted it here. Well, there apparently they've been making plans...

BILLIONS OF DOLLARS:


Diamond Investors to Invest over $1Billion in Real Estate,Make bid on Miami Arena.

It was unveiled as the second billion dollar investment project for Miami this year and hailed by the city's mayor as more "unprecedented" development for the Magic City.

.................read complete "Miami Sun Post" article. 07/22/2004......

................ The first of six projects Africa-Israel and Boymelgreen have slated for completion within the next two-years is a:



334-unit, 55-story luxury residence complete with a 40-unit boutique hotel on the former Howard Johnson site at Biscayne and 11th. street accross from the American Airlines Arena.
Construction will begin in 2005 and units will sell in the $700,000's



The second project will be a 300 to 400-unit condominium complex that will include possible brownstone structures and retail at 3050 Biscayne Blvd.

Total of six projects. Information will be posted as available. Come back often.



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All of that was cut-and-pasted right off of http://www.miamirealtyshow.com/Page...wardjohnsonsite. I don't know how old it is but I was just googling and yahooing and found it. We gotta check the City Council minutes or ask Chuck and see how far along this thing is..

well you beat me to it one and only cuban

also just to add www.marquismiami.com

also one and only cuban not to sound jealous or anything but chuck isn't the only one who has info here,many people contribute rx,you,nimby,miaballinboi,me,roark,southfloridadave,dave,renner,street
chuck usually is the man to go to for heights but were the breaking news guys

were a greeat team here, and chuck is the height specialist, roark is the future and secret projects specialist lol, me and street are the photo specialists, rx is the rendering and info speicalist lol, and uptown and nimby are the nimbyhaters and make sure everything go smooth lool

Planned Projects




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800 to 925 Condos on 2 acres at 330 Biscayne Blvd.

Site includes a 40-year old, 11-story building
called Bayside Plaza.
Development would comprise two 50-story towers
About 25,000 square feet of retail space.

Developer: Allen Greenwald
Construction will start by the fall of 2005
Construction will end about 18 months later. Likely to sell for about:
$195's to $850,0000

If I'm not mistaken, a a twin - 56 story, 658 ft. project was planned on this site before the developer pulled out.

well the land got bought and the project was kind of going really slow

wow cant wait to see this rendering and info and height,

good find uptown

Burn him up Uptown!, :)

u saw what he called me :bash:

Oh, jeez. just what we need: a 13-year old New Yorker (probably NJ) with a rectal fetish.

Burn him up Uptown!, :)

u saw what he called me :bash:


Funny, because him and Uptown share the EXACT same static IP address.

so jason, now ur totally removing posts from threads? thanks man, thats great (dripping wit sarcasm), lets go censorship, dont agree wit something, just take it out, thats beautiful, glad ur in charge

Planned Projects




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800 to 925 Condos on 2 acres at 330 Biscayne Blvd.

Site includes a 40-year old, 11-story building
called Bayside Plaza.
Development would comprise two 50-story towers
About 25,000 square feet of retail space.

Developer: Allen Greenwald
Construction will start by the fall of 2005
Construction will end about 18 months later. Likely to sell for about:
$195's to $850,0000

Yea I was talking about this..