Mo Rush and JCLornton .. this is your thread - knock us dead ;)

Attention: All forumers

As Future Chairman of the Cape Town 2020 Bid Commitee I would like thank gandalf33 for the creation of this forum which will deal directly with issues regarding Cape Town and multi sports events in general and other facets that are linked to these events. All contributions are welcome on this forum and will be gladly appreciated. Cape Town is indeed a special city in more ways than one, be it our friendly people, our beautiful city or the simply parts of life in Cape Town that make it not only a world class but a unique city.

Yours in sport
Future Bid Chairman of the CT 2020 Summer Olympic Games commitee - the games of the 32nd Olympiad

CAPE TOWN 2020 - "LIVE THE AFRICAN DREAM"

^^^^ you have my vote but first (let's see) ... what should the bribe be ? mmmmm
;)

No bribery of any form shall take place, that would be a blatant corruption of the values, beliefs and morals of the CT 2020 commitee. As the future bid chairman i will work hand in hand with the IOC disciplinary coucil to ensure that the games are fair and that the election process is valid and carried out by following the IOC rules regarding this issue

yours in anti-corruption
future bid chairman of the CT 2020 olympic bid commitee

Mmm, well my personal opinion is that CT will not be hosting the Olympics any time soon. For me at this stage the big question is Can CT actually host the Games and the answer to that is no. I really feel that JHB should be SA's choice, but the problem is JHB doesn't look like an Olympic city which Ct really does(and that is the strong point of any CT 2020 plan- along with sentiment of course) But the problem is sentiment and location alone cannot win you the greatest sporting prize in the world. So what's wrong with CT u ask? Simple - CT is just too small. Compare the CT metro with the metro areas of other host cities - CT's is smaller and less developed(but don't get me wrong - I'm not saying undeveloped). Can CT afford building a public transport system, a MASSIVE amount of sports venues(CT has less than JHB and Durban), expand the airport etc in time for 2020. I really don't think so. CT doesn't have these things and without them, the city will not win an Olympic bid. I think we can safely use Rio 2012 as a comparitive example- Rio didn't even get accepted as a candidate, and yet is has location, sentiment(South America has never hosted) and reasonable infrastructure (very similiar if not slightly better than CT). Mo Rush there is a book out regarding why CT should not host the Olympics and why JHB is a better choice. I'll try to get it's title, very insightful.

ATTENTION: MECCA ROAD

As the future bid chairman of the Cape Town 2020 Olympic Bid we appreciate your contribution, however we disagree as we believe that Cape Town is capable of hosting the olympic games if not in 2020 but in 2024, i fully disagree that Johannesburg wil be a better choice and i have full confidence that Cape Town will be able to make the necessary upgrades and improvements and that Cape Town will host a great games for Africa. An important point to recognize is that in 2013 or 2017 an african city will be called upon to bid by the IOC and the IOC will push strongly for the games to come to Africa,when this does indeed happen Cape Town will step forward and accept the challenge, with or without sentiment the bid commitee will work closely with the IOC and work day in and night to ensure that Cape Town makes the best possible bid to host the games of the 32nd Olympiad.

I find the comparison to Rio irrelevant as Cape Town is a unique city and we fully believe that as CT met the technical requirements of the IOC in 1997 Cape Town will stand a great chance at a future bid of meeting the requirements of the technical inspection. The constant comparisons to other cities local and abroad is of no importance to our bid team, our goal is to ensure that when the wave of change takes place as it did in 2001 when beijing who were not the clear favourites won the bid, that we are ready and prepared to put our best foot forward. I acknowledge that many pessimists exist and doubt the abilties of Cape Town but our strong foundation and our past has shown us that nothing is impossible.

I have no doubt that our bid commitee come 2013 will produce one of the most comprehensive and world class bid books ever to be handed over to the IOC. I would like to appeal to all Capetonians who care so dearly for cape town to believe in what cape town can offer the world and what the games can do for africa. Do not judge us unworthy because of our size, judge us by what we present the world, size does not count it is indeed how we use what we have, we are indeed taller than we ever thought we could be because we have stood on the shoulders of giants. If i had told you in 1992 that South Africa would host the Soccer World Cup you would have called me an unrealistic optimist eventhough the tournament is not nearly as large and as concentrated as an olympic games is.

In 1997 Cape Town placed third and had gained a wonderful reputation with the IOC, whether it was based on sentiment alone is not the point, Cape Town was the best placed African city ever in an Olympic Bid and surpassed a top european and south american city,most of what Cape Town has achieved and the wonderful image it holds with the IOC can be attributed to my predecessor Sam Ramsamy and his team including top businessman adn 2004 bid director Chris Ball who made the world look up and take note of the city you call "small" on the African continent.

So to conclude i fully disagree, Cape Town will be able to host the Olympic Games in 2020. In reference to the book you suggest, yes i have read it along with the 600 page CT 2004 bid book, and numerous other texts which served to broaden my knowledge and to whatever extent Cape Town has been discredited i have acknowledged the argument but my belief in this city has never wavered or lowered. 14 to 16 years is ample time to grow as a city physically and in terms of infrastructure, and i have full belief that what ever concerns you do have shall be addressed by our commitee in depth in the future.

Yours in sport and olympism
Future Bid Chairman
Cape Town 2020 Olympic Bid Commitee

Well not comparing one's city to others might just be a bit foolish since you will be competing against other cities. Comparing Rio is of the utmost importance, because it is 2 cities facing similiar obstacles, and learning out of the failures of Rio is very important. Also I won't count on the IOC taking the FIFA road and inviting only African bids - IOC president Jaques Rogge stated that the IOC will not be doing that. CT was placed third in the voting, but technically the city ranked 5th out of 5. The IOC is a strange group of people and the simple truth is that CT only beat Stockholm to send out a message - notice that CT got more votes in round 2 than round 3.

Beijing was the clear and overwhelming favourites to host the 2008 games even before they announced their bid. I have a keen interest in Olympic bid business and trust me I do know what I am talking about.

Finally, how do you propose financing this Olympics? CT doesn't need to make upgrades or improvements - they need to build from the ground up. 28 sports need world class venues(for competition and training), visitors need to be able to get around the city, the media needs to be accomodated, the airport needs a huge expansion etc. My rational is this - for looks, location and feel CT is the best choice, but when it comes down to the important matters - the running of the Games - JHB is a much better choice. And remember there is a difference between pessimism and realism - you'll need the latter if your gonna make this dream come true. Bottom line is, based on the current IOC acceptance procedure CT will not even be accepted as a candidate city.

This is gonna get real interesting...

I totally agree with you meccaroad, where on earth are CT gonna get the money to afford an olympics? We dont have the deep pockets in this country like China have, we cant afford to just splash our cash about.

An event like the Soccer World Cup is great for SA because it is inclusive of the whole nation and the money that will be invested goes to the upliftment of most centres around the country and as such benefits ALL South Africans. An olympics on the otherhand is so concentrated on the host city, that the rest of the country ends up paying for that cities prestigious moment. The costs involved in an olympics seem frightening, and although the benefits of the games will be bandied about, frankly i dont see why we really need them anytime soon, there are more important things to worry about. The olympics are a "nice to have", not a need or really high up on most peoples' agendas

Athens cost Euro9b, but involved a hellovalot of infrastructure development that was long overdue, not to mention a security blowout. Sydney cost $2b+$2.7b for infrastructure improvements.

The thing to be smart is to minimise building stuff that already exists or that is only going to be used once. It is better to have smaller stadiums that are full than big ones that are half empty. If people cant get to certain events bacause they are sold out - they will be off having a good time (and spending) on the beach or in the winelands.

Atheletes housing will become public housing. Public transport links will service areas that already require it.etc etc. By following this through, much of the outlay will simply be bringing forward infrastructure spending THAT WILL ALREADY WILL HAVE BEEN SPENT at some point in the future.

Considering Sydney is in a high cost country - I reckon CTN could be done for $3.5b = R20b; of which >R10b will be completely reusable infrastructure. So R10b is easily available nationally to host the Games, and considering income - I dont see why the Games cant produce a profit if all spending is carefully thought out.

ATTENTION FORUMERS:

http://www.webcast.ukcouncil.net/hosted/london2012/

visit the following site which outlines london's bid for 2012 it is truly inspirational and makes one imagine the olympic games in cape town and images of that glorious day start to unfold in ones mind. Back the bid Back London 2012

but wont cape town need to build a hell of a lot of venues? what will there uses be in later years?

ATTENTION:

The venues proposd for a Cape Town Olympic Games would indeed need to be built from scratch but they will be a mix of permanent and temporary venues and believe it or not many of these venues already exist but need refurbishing on the other hand cape town would not be much different from sydney who needed to build many new venues and did not have simple venues such as a a bellvile velodrome, although cape town lacks in necessary facilites i am seeing and finding wonderful solutions and ideas for venues and there will be no negotiating about that legacy of a venue, a venue without a legacy will not be built, i will soon post a full venue list or perhaps on venue at a time so that forumers could comment and make further construtive criticizms.

PROPOAL ONE OF MANY:

http://img154.exs.cx/img154/5152/ctlogoprop1atl7gb.jpg

Represents the protea the national flower, the olympic flame of colours red and yellow and blue, the green also represents an athlete rejoicing, the image makes us of the five olympic ring colours with the background being black to represent africa, simple plain logo i do however think it is not unique enough...

Dear Forumers

On behalf of the Cape Town 2020 Olympic Bid Commitee we would like to wish all forumers happy holidays, peace,happiness and prosperity on christmas day and a joyful,safe and memorable festive season. MERRY CHRISTMAS

Future Bid Chairman
Cape Town 2020 Olympic Bid Commitee

Mo Rush I agree with you on your insight for the CT olympics. I think it is a great candidate. Infrastructure is easily mastered. (Although Athen sure seemed to have a hard time) CT definately needs mass transit, and a crapload of venues. But I think funding could become readily available. To meccaroad look is not that important, I think Joburg is also a perfectly logical candidate. Joburg is a beautiful city even though nothing really distinguishes it ( except the over 5 million trees it is reputed to have). Look at Atlanta.

News just it seems as if Johannesburg will bid for the 2014 Commonwealth Games and not Cape Town, http://www.sasc.org.za/PageMaster.asp?ID=147

^^^ a crock of $hit imo ... Jo'burg is so hard up for some form of attention that they will try to steal everything eg. The Gay Olympics ... everybody knows that Cape Town is the gay capital of not just South Africa but Africa ... I can't think of a better venue for the games and it was Capetonians that stirred interest amongst the who's who of The Commonwealth Games Committee ... Cape Town should counter-bid but then again we do have the "best" mayor ... another letter in the Argus has asked for her resignation.

I am so glad that you agree i plan to take some action as i am myself outraged at the decision which i hope is a mistake i am very confused, and angered by the under hand dealings that take place with out letting the public have a say or letting the public know what is happening. I intend to write letter to the mayor and complain if everyone who agrees with me could do that same then i would appreciate it. The website is the city of cape town site www.capetown.gov.za follow the links and send an email to the mayor...

if anyone would also please send a letter to the cape argus and newspapers this would also be appreciated, i am trying to work on a letter to send to the newspaper but i think i would need to think about what i am writing clearly because at the moment i am very angry about this issue and i need to clear my head before formulating a response to this issue. IF anyone would post their comments i could perhaps use this with your permission in the letter or we could bombard the newspapers and mayors office with letters... its time that tranparency truly meant something and that intelligent and capable people are placed in certain positions so that we dont have stupid people running things they know nothing about..

mayor@capetown.gov.za

and why should you have a say where the games goes? do you think they really care if you are upset? if joburg decides to bid, because their city council believes its something they want to do then that is their business. Why has yours not put forward a proposal? by them wanting to bid surely doesnt mean that Cape Town, Durban or any other city cant bid as well surely?

And letters to the mayor and newspapers moaning will achieve what???

not trying to attack or be harsh, but just curious as to the emotional outburst... and aggression that i see

The emotional outburst stems from a passion that cape town should be south africas olymypic city not johannesburg thank you for your comments dysan i can always count on you for support on these issues

Are there any particular sports that anyone would like to know about and where it would be hosted if cape town was to host the olympic games in 2020... just ask and i will try my best to present the idea

It is purely because Capetonians did the dirty work - they enticed the Commonwealth Games Committee to consider having the games in SA and the Mayor of Cape Town is the worst thing that could happen to any city .. if you have followed all the threads then you will know her history - one bad decision after the next. Jo'burg is The ANC's stronghold and their biggest support base is there and that is why they want the Games there so that they can keep improving on their infrastructure with money from Durbs and Cape Town .. simple.

You yourself has had a few "outbursts" against Jozi's tactics in sport i.e. the opening and closing ceremony for the World cup 2010, therefore you should understand where we are coming from.

Letters help alot .. I single handedly shut down a drug den and slum in the city centre by writing letters and more letters to the papers (and the mayor) .. finally the house was demolished and the area is now the city centres new mecca for residential developments.

South Africans must never become complacent .. bitch, bitch, bitch ... we are surrounded by an African mentality that will not get very far unless we keep challenging their ideas.

i do agree with what you say regarding how joburg likes to enrich itself to the detriment of Durban and Cape Town. It does seem to be true that whenever either of us do anything to improve our standing, they get a bit insequre that we are trying to steal their mantle of power. It happened when durban built the icc and when we began to host their soccer teams (pirates and chiefs) beacuase they couldnt achieve decent crowds at their games up there, but got sell-outs in durban. They then moan, but it was ok before the teams made the move to durban when it came to nb games.

I can understand too the situation you have with your mayor to a degree, it must get rather painful. I guess that now that CT falls under anc control they are making changes to the way things are done and as is typical with the anc, power is centralised and fewer people have a say in the way things are done.

I cant relate to a bad mayor though. In durban our anc lead municipality is actually doing wonders for the city. the levels of investment that are flowing in are greater than they have ever been, and the council's outward and open approach to development is highly praised in the city. They are actively making things happen, which is a great step forward from the image that durban used to have of "all talk and no action".

I can see your dismay at joburg going for the games, its not a great place for sports related activities and i'm totally against it hosting majoring sporting events based primarily on the fact that it is so far above sea-level, which is against the international norm. That is part of my arguement for the staging of the SWC at a coastal venue, with the obvious bias towards durban, due primarily to the fact that the SWC takes place in winter.

But hey, lets see if anything even comes of it. Personally i dont believe they have a chance of getting the games and that if it comes to south africa it will definately go to either durban or CT. Both cities have their own strengths and weaknesses and in my opinion are actually rather complimentary. Durban will always have more of a relationship with jozi due to the geographical closeness, but sometimes i feel that you Capies and us need to team up against there centralization policies which tend to leave us both out in the cold

:cheers: well said. I know that Jo'burg and Durban have both got gr8 mayors, this thing that we have is absolutely useless (a big friend of Winnie - get the picture ;) )

The ANC is trying to take credit for the re-vitalisation of the cbd when in fact it started years before they were in power, as for the District 6 development which was running full steam ahead when The DA was in power and now there is nothing happenning there but The ANC will quickly remind you that they returned people to District 6 - what a joke !

I fully agree with both of you in a way it seems as if the ANC rule and the lack of progress by our mayoress in cape town is not allowing cape town to achieve its full potentia in many regards, perhaps i am not informed enough but i see our mayor as more of an obstacle to cape towns growth and development, ct has done well for itself on its own and our mayoress seems to just be the figure head for the ANC who are prob based in joburg and running cape town....

joburg is def not a city for multisport or big sporting events it was not cut out for that and i hope that the letter i do send out will spark something perhaps not as big as gandalfs change but force the officials who call themselves professionals to start doing something and discussing these things and involving the public as well...

there is simply not enough transparency and again i stress that the wrong people with the wrong skills are running the wrong departments and projects... i hope that we have a new mayor so that things can be done and action can be taken, its been 10 years since 1994 its time to get those shacks sorted out its time for action build low cost houses and deal with the building and consequences we had 10 yrs to plan and think about this its time to start taking action and getting things done i know its easier than it seems but its time and lets not wait for some mega event before we invest in the low cost houses, as for space CT is running out of space and the stupid mayor should stop building low cost houses on prime land, there is much space for low cost houses.... leave the large beautiful land for parks, sports venues olympic parks, its as if these people dont even think about things,gosh im sooo angry now wish we could just form our own council and overthrow the cape town city coucil people or those who are not taking action

Gents lets not get politicsal here as the same ANC government is doing a lot for us here in Jozi. Black people's life in joburg have reached heights since the ANC took power and there for I respect them. I'm not saying that Cape Town's major is doing a good job and again I think the major should be blamed on her own capacity and the whole of Western province government should get a blame as I'm sure that she's not the only one who makes the decision. Amos Masondo, Joburg's major, is a member of the ANC but he does great things for Jozi. I think the people of CT should have a referundum to have a removed unlike always putting the blame on the party. I'm not saying that the ANC is always right, but I still think that sometimes we need to reason constructively.

I will personally would like to see CT hosting the Olympic games and as for SWC 2010 I have voiced out that Durban deserves the final and bloemfontein deserves the semi-finals. My reasons on the final ans semi-final venues is that the 2 cities have proved to the whole of South Africa that they have capability of hosting great Soccer games and they can feel the stadium to their own capacity. Some times this year Bloemfontein had 3 major sport events and the stadiums were also full. The games were 2 soccer games and the Amabokoboko games and all these happened in 3 consecutive weeks of which they led to the city's accomodation be fully booked for those weeks and no South African city have done that.

^^ Masondo is a gr8 Mayor, that is a fact BUT the same things are not being done for the disadvantaged communities in CT as in Jozi ... yes, the ANC has done wonderful things but to take credit for the things that they haven't done is pure theft.

The local radio stations in CPT should have a "hoot of you want the mayor to resign day" ... how does one get the ball rolling ?

The best thing is for you guys to start proposing that to the radio station in CT. We having the same problem in the Vaal and the premeir of Gauteng, Mr Mbazima Shilowa, have visited the region and warned the Administrators of poor performance and non-deliverance, but he also mentioned that people need to stand up and fight for what they believ in. We are the ones who can remove this cruel people from their seats and I say we must all do something.

Let me know where and when an ill make some posters and perhaps email the radio stations about this. and we can hoot our mayoress out of her cushy office

^^^ I think that the 2nd week in February will be good when everybody is back at work and settled .... the hooting should be scheduled for about 17H15 when almost everybody is driving home and in their cars. Let's do it :)

hehe, hope you wont have your CT drivers getting all confused and crashing into each other. they cant hoot, drive and look at the mountain all at once

hehe, hope you wont have your CT drivers getting all confused and crashing into each other. they cant hoot, drive and look at the mountain all at once

LOL @ U

Well when one decides on an Olympic Park for a city such as Cape Town sustainability, accesibility and location in terms or aesthetics and environmental constraints are a few of the main factors one needs to look at. Greenpoint in my opinion is also an excellent location but it is simple not large enought to incorporate the standard and amount of venues that needs to be located at the park. The setting is excellent as it is in an area with a great legacy for sport but it lacks in accesibility, as we know the public tranport system ends in the city and is not carried on.

Wingfield the site proposed for the 2004 bid is more suitable although certain obstacles e.g. land ownership, do exist the area is situated along the N1 which allows for an Olympic Lane to be added on, runs directly next to a train line which can be incorporated into the olympic park. The size of the land also allows for a spacious setting allowing maximum benefits to the environment and freedom when it comes down to the layout of the Olympic Park, a water way or olympic river is also possible and can become part of the olypic park, the space also allows the olmypic village to be located alongside the olympic park, athletes would literally have to cross a bridge over the river to reach venues, certain venues I proposed for CT 2020 to be located in the Olympic Park is:

Olympic Stadium 85,000
Cape Town Superbowl 17,500
Cape Town International Aquatic Centre (with retractable roof) 17,000
Handball Centre 7,000
BMX Centre 5,000
Olympic Village
Olympic Baseball Stadium
Olympic Shooting Centre
Indoor Hall 3 (temp venue with temp roof ) 6,000

Existing Venues (olympic capacity) some needing refurbishment or upgrades

Newlands Swimming Pool 5,000 - Water Polo Prelims
Newlands Cricket Stadium - Baseball 25,000
Newlands Rugby Stadium - Football 50,000
Athlone Stadium - Football 25,000
Hartleyvale Hockey Centre - 5,000 (already in place) and 15,000 main stadium
Greenpoint Stadium - Football currently 18,000 future 32,000
Cape Town International Convention Centre - Wrestling and Weightlifting 5,000
Culemborg Indoor Centre - Fencing 6,000
Belville Velodrome -Indoor Cycling 6,000
Mew Way Community Centre Boxing - 10,000
Belhar Sports Centre - 8,000 - Judo and Taekwondo
Sailing at Simons Town Harbour
Triathlon at Granger Bay
Beach VOlleyball at Camps Bay
Phillipi East Indoor Hall - 10,000 Basketball
Turfhall Softball Stadium - 8,000
Preliminaries Olympic Football Stadium, Kings Park Durban 70,000
Preliminaries Olympic Football Stadium, Soccer City Johannesburg 90,000
Preliminaries Olympic Football Stadium, Port Elizabeth 50,000
Modern Pentathlon - Stellenbosch -
Olympic Table Tennis at Good Hope Centre 6,000
Equestrian Jumping, Dressage, Eventing Olympic Equestrian Centre, Cape of Good Hope Agricultural Showgrounds, Klapmuts 30,000

Instead i propose that Greenpoint form part of the "COAST AND CITY CENTRE" cluster of venues which will incorporate the following events and venues:

Cape Town International Convention Centre - Wrestling and Weightlifting 5,000
A new Olympic Tennis Centre at Greenpoint Common - 22,000
Greenpoint Stadium - Football - 25,000
New Culemborg Indoor exhibition centrel - 10,000
Media Village Culemborg
Good Hope Centre Table Tennis 6,000
IBC and MPC at Culemborg
The new upgraded (R200 million upgrade) CT Train Station
Greenpoint also the site of nightly concerts
Triathlon at Granger Bay
Marathon along coastal route
Beach Volleyball Camps Bay 10,000
Robben Island - Archery 4,500
Culemborg Indoor Hall - Fencing 7,000

This cluster of venues forms part of the as mentioned above "COAST AND CITY CENTRE". It would be benefited by the world heritage site Robben Island, the wonderful beaches and scenery, the V & A WAterfront, and many world class hotels and infrastructure which makes this cluster of venues truly the glamorous part of the games. With theatres, clubs street market and music concerts just some of the nightly entertainment, the streets of Cape Town will come alive to the spirit and buzz of the first Olympic Games to hosted in Africa.

Further enhanced by a new inner city bus system that will be in place by well before 2020 but improved even further by 2020 to cater for the surrounding coastal areas as far reaching as camps bay. This will ensure spectators will directly be transported from the new mtero station to the respective "COAST AND CITY CENTRE" venues, ensuring efficient quick and safe transport for all.

Greenpoint how ever will receive improvements in fields and will become a more central training venue for athletes who compete in this cluster, apart from the athletics track at greenpoint stadium, the united cricket clubs field become a private training area for athletes, the outside courts at greenpoint become training courts, the entire greenpoint area will become a large coastal sports park, featuring the tennis centre, greenpoint stadium, soccer and cricket fields, wonderful paths for athletes to walk and spectators to relax and can become the epicentre of this cluster of venues including media hubs, tranport hubs, and allowing a base for security officials to work from in this cluster.

A Golf course, near by beaches, and swimming pools around the area allow spectators to make use of leisure venues in between the various competitions they attend.

Other clusters to exist is the Olympic Park cluster and the Newlands, Belhar, Athlone, Bellville, Tufhall and Hartleyvale Venues will form part of the Olympic Ring as they are all located within 10km of the olympic park and fall along or within this radius.

You've really put a lot of thought into this have'nt you? Cool to see someone so passionate about something. What about the canoe and kayak centre? Maybe Hout Bay or Noordhoek, or is that too far from the other venues? It would probably be good for the towns and is no further than if archery were to be held on Robben Island. Question about that, why Robben Island? Is it primarily space, existing venues, historical aspect? No doubt that it would draw more tourists to the island.Also what about any venues for Constantia? The area around there does not have many things to do and an Olympic venue might boost its infrastructure not only having an attraction but bringing restaraunts and clubs in as well.

oh my word you have no idea about how excited i am when someone actually aska specfic questions about venues.. rowing venues have already been planned and i was thinking about the infrastructure and possibly equestrian event taking palce there due to it being a great area, as i did attend school in tokai i do love the area, but a full report will be online soon.

good day

You've really put a lot of thought into this have'nt you? Cool to see someone so passionate about something. What about the canoe and kayak centre? Maybe Hout Bay or Noordhoek, or is that too far from the other venues? It would probably be good for the towns and is no further than if archery were to be held on Robben Island. Question about that, why Robben Island? Is it primarily space, existing venues, historical aspect? No doubt that it would draw more tourists to the island.Also what about any venues for Constantia? The area around there does not have many things to do and an Olympic venue might boost its infrastructure not only having an attraction but bringing restaraunts and clubs in as well.

OLYMPIC REGATTA CENTER, ZEEKOEVLEI
CAPACITY: 20,000 post games capacity 4,000
(apologies for spelling)

The decision on where to locate the regatta centre is a tough one in general, the obvious factors of sustainability and accesibility arise. Although i would not say that the sports of canoeing,kayaking,rowing are particularly the most popular sports, i am still suprised to see how many athletes in cape town would make use of such a facility post olympic games. The initial idea in 2004 was to locate the rowing venue at the olympic park adjacent to olympic venues and the olympic village, in actual fact it would separate the village from the park's venues. Issues with sustainability might not be as problematic, as the olympic village which in future would be converted into apartments would benefit from this water feature perhaps creating a culture of rowing as a leaisure activity, however large problems of noise pollution and other infrastructural issues arise, which the IOC made clear when cape town handed over its bid book in 1997, so it is only natural that we learn from our mistakes and relocate the regatta centre, this however does not mean that an olympic river or large water feature cannot be incorporated into the olympic park.

So having read the bid book zeekoevlei was named as an alternative site for the regatta centre, the advantages of this site would of course be the development of the surrounding areas which i see as a necessity for any olympic venue, the location does have wonderful views of the mountains but of course with any wetland major environmental issues arise which could complicate the initial design of the centre. However i believe that if a balance is struck there should be no major delays in the construction of this venue. The Olympic requirement for the length of the rowing dam/lake is 2km which fits into the zeekoevlei area, still allowing extra space for the necesary amenities to athletes. The venue which would require mostly temporary seating would no pose any problems in that regard, permanent seating of about 4,000 would be ample to meet post olympic needs. However to ensure that the venue is indeed sustainable, suitable test events would need to be run at the venue to ensure that it is a world class venue and that accesibility to the area is improved.


Zeekoevlei before

http://img12.exs.cx/img12/5375/afr17029cn.gif

Zeekoevlei after (apologies for the quality it is a quick rough sketch)

http://img139.exs.cx/img139/2717/draft11of.jpg

This is zeekoevlei presently

http://www.capetownskies.com/6705/15_view_okwc.jpg

http://www.capetownskies.com/8834/09_hazy_flatsd.jpg

http://www.capetownskies.com/3487/11_cape_flats_hhb.jpg

On the other hand if possible milnerton would be great as well but it would be near impossible to find a straight length of water 2km long....
this is a pic of sydneys rowing centre

http://www.gamesinfo.com.au/gallery/images/large/1997070158.jpg

This is sort of an impression of what the zeekoevlei regatta centre could look like for olympic games..

http://www.glrf.info/CLUBS/AUSTRALIA/sydneyolympic.jpg

http://uploads.bestupload.com/redir/49982.jpg

some possible special features:

A 2300 m purpose built canoeing and rowing course with rock-coated, wave absorbing banks to ensure fair competition. Includes a 1500 m warm-up lake allowing competitors to practice while a race is in progress. 1000 seat pavillion features retractable seating and roofing and 2 boat sheds hold up to 80 crafts each.


Zeekoevlei is already currently in use for training and regattas, which makes the venue more sustainable and ensures that the new venue will not become a "white elephant".

http://www.rowsa.co.za/venues/images/zkv-contents.jpg

Perhaps south africa is not the most experienced at this sport the medal achieved by SA team in rowing at the athens games gives hope that the sport wil grow even further, ...
More info to follow

information regarding 1. Why? robben island 2. venues for constantia 3. houtbay/noordhoek? will be answered shortly

information regarding 1. Why? robben island 2. venues for constantia 3. houtbay/noordhoek? will be answered shortly

Robben Island, our world heritage site is certainly a wonderfully spacious area of land with amzing views of table mountain and the city. Many ideas, projects etc. are in place to ensure that water transport to the city from areas such as milnerton become a reality. During the Olympics, Robben Island should take no longer than 15 minutes from the waterfront, and dedicated boats should cater for olympic athletes and spectators indiviudally. Let us look at the followiing proposed venues being used as olmypic venues:

Athens 2004 used the ancient stadium of panathanaikos for archery, the shot put was held at olympia i think

PAris 2012 proposed beach volleyball at the eiffel tower

London 2012 proposes horse guards palace, hyde park, greenwich park and many other great historical sites as backdrops for olympic events.

I think that Cape Town should certainly use the same approach, perhaps the castle of good hope if covered by a large tensile temporary roof could host the fencing the old buildings and look of the castle makes for a wonderful 4000-5000 seater site and fencing requires only one or two strips for main competition, if seating is arranged inteligently then the castle would be a wonderful venue,

So the same applies to robben island, the approach is to combine olympic events with culture as well and of course our historical sites, ticketing packages for the ARCHERY EVENT on robben island could include a full tour of robben island achieveing many things

1. More spectators who willl watch archery
2. more visitors to robben island so that spectators enjoy all that cape town has
3. improved transport between robben island and the waterfront or milnerton
4. As archery is a temporary venue the costs are not sky high
5. the amazing views of table mountain provide a spectacular backdrop

although wind could be a problem wind breakers would ensure wonderful conditions for the archers....

http://www.travelcreek.com/robben_island.jpg

http://www.lefigaro.fr/dossiers/portes_afrique/images/photodujour/avril/0704/0704_robben-island.jpg


http://uploads.bestupload.com/redir/51482.jpg

Layout of archery centre on robben island

http://www.dzignlight.com/eric/images/stills/archery.gif

Archery at Sydney

http://www.gamesinfo.com.au/gallery/view.asp?pic=2000070069.jpg

Archery at Athens

http://www.nlgaming.com/games/2190/Archery.jpg

i have not as yet considered houtbay or noordhoek as olympic venues, but constantia has been in the back of my mind, in my opinion if a large enough space is found equestrian would be a great sport to be held in this area due to the horse culture this area has (believe me people drink eat sleep talk live horses, i know i attened school with some of these people)... so if suitable space is found this could become a reality how ever constantia is not as close by as other venues but certainly it is better than klapmuts which was proposed for the 2004 bid which is much further away....

i will look into this and perhaps see if it is possible, otherwise archery, shooting, marathon, road walk, cycling road race, BMX, or some other smaller sports could be held in constantia, i certainly think perhaps a large temporary indoor venue could be built for olympic purposes,

here are some images of equestrian venues and an indication of the large size of land needed:

http://www.gamesinfo.com.au/postgames/en/images/vol1/08_appendices/02_competition_venues/Equestrian%20Cntr%20Stadium.gif


http://www.gamesinfo.com.au/gallery/images/large/1999100102.jpg

http://www.gamesinfo.com.au/gallery/images/large/1999090503.jpg

http://www.gamesinfo.com.au/gallery/images/large/1999090516.jpg

http://www.gamesinfo.com.au/gallery/images/large/1999090508.jpg

http://www.equestrian-centre.com.au/resource/SIEC_b_1.jpg

ATHENS

http://www.timothycourt.com.au/proj_athens_01.jpg

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/europe/greece/athens_markopoulo.jpg

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200408/r26562_65830.jpg


FENCING AT THE CASTLE ????

http://www.museums.org.za/iziko/images/hire/castle05.jpg

http://www.thirtyfootscrew.com/gallery/data/media/14/Day_03_-_Castle_of_Good_Hope_-_Interior.jpg

My aim is to formulate and put forward ideas for venues that are definitely sustainable and that do not require large indoor halls that will not be used in future..... temps venues for beach volleyball, fencing, archery and other olympic sports lower the cost of buildnig new venues, however cape town does not lose out on the quality of an event or the necessary requirements for the venue, another added bonus is that olympic sites are given meaning and not simply a new venue,

the lower costs ensure more funds can be invested in the newer venues and transport, they also ensure that olympic overlay costs for some venues are the main expenditure and not the construction of the venue itself....

other possible sites... kenilworth race course (seating exists, perhaps a site for archery, BMX, shooting, cross country or even an equestrian centre would be suitable with the dressage stadiums being built in between)

http://www.aro.co.za/IMAGES/COURSES/KENIL1.gif

http://www.aro.co.za/IMAGES/COURSES/KENIL2.gif

The size of the complex seems favourable for an equestrian centre, the benefi if such a central venue (more central than klapmuts or constantia)
is that more venues are closer to the olympic village, this would also impress the IOC, !!!!

note sydney used temp seating for its entire main stadium for its centre of equstrian, so this will pose no problem in terms of kenilworth, the existing facilites will receive a massive boost,

a stunning venue for equestrian???

http://www.capetownskies.com/1132/22_snow_hh_rcrsec.jpg

http://www.capetownskies.com/0682/04_rainbow_wide_rcrseb.jpg

the cool water features or dams or ponds or whatever only enhance the aesthetics of the venue and the views are not bad either, the result a fully sustainable cost effective venue with a strong future legacy enhancing the horse culture and the sport of equestrian in cape town, its not too far from the main horse lovers in constantia, as venues will temp views for the horse races will not be obstructed, except the large indoor centre, constructed in such a way as not to obstruct views during the J&B Met, or perhaps the temp seating stadium could be constructed deeper in the surface to ensure that some seating could remain behind ....

Okay, Robben Island makes sense. I actually am an Archer. Ive shot at state and national chamionships and my father owns an archery company, (so archery really interests me). Fencing at the Castle is a fantastic idea! And Kenilworth is just stunning.

Im glad that i have received the go ahead from an archer himself, im glad that you can see the vision that i have in terms of archery and the general historical theme.....
well any information you can give me about archery itself would be great so that the site could actually be improved and be suited to the archers, perhaps a private village on robben island for archers would not require tooo much effort but i dont think we are allowed to build on robben island, any archers who become sea sick can be flown over by plane as landing areas do exist on the island... OR we'll just build a massive under the ocean train like the eurotrain to get athletes to the island hehe
thanks bout kenilworth and the castle too....

Wind is not as critical as you would think. To some degree it will affect arrow flight so prevailing winds should be taken into account. I am guessing that the winds for Robben prevail from west-northwest? Most Olympic ranges are not that far so archery venues do not take up tons of space, ranges are usually 120 yards (oh, I think thats about 100 metres or so). I can consistently shoot out to 120 yards. Windblocks are necessary but not critical. Safety backdrops should also be taken care of I think that Olympic standard is 12 feet high but many go with 20, I am not sure better check. Archers,especially the REAL archers (not those f*cking compound shooters)dont require a lot of equipment (or rest for that matter). A nice white tent or small pavilion should suffice for both the archers minimal equipment and the judges seats. (though many judges now review tapes before making calls anyways. I would think that a small archers village on the island would be a waste of money seeing as the jugdes might have to commute as well as spectators UNLESS the "Archers Village" could be permanent and later transformed into a shopping, cultural and museum or Metropolitan shooting range for locals. Robben Island might be able to use some sort of facilities (I dont know what they have already) and an archery range would start bringing more locals to the island. Anyway archery is pretty simple, and seeing as the only time it is a spectator "sport" is in the olympics the stands could be temporary.

yeah thank you for your information i learnt much about the minimal facilties from the sydney archery park, very simple and of course with temporay seating but perhaps some sports hall could be built because i hate using areas e.g. underprivilieged areas like belhar or mew way without leaving some sort of legacy... one cannot just plonk a nice sports centre in the area when schools dont have sports fields and even simple sporting facilities,

imagine at wingfield prob if cape town hosts the games will be africas best sports complex but right next door school and people are poor without sports fields or a simple tennis court or nice facilties.. on the other side is the nicer area that benefiited from apartheid so unless massive investment goes into the upgrading of surrounding areas an olympic games in cape town will be of no interest to me at all.. and im serious

You're right. Upgrading basic sports facilities for schools and communities is essential. That should come under infrastructure. Also if some smaller venues were built (eg. smaller community racetracks,soccer fields, tennis courts, indoor halls for table tennis and wrestling, basketball courts for schools) they might be of some use to perhaps CT getting the Paralypics or other smaller sports trials that wont draw as big a crowd, after the olympics. That way there is some incentive to get smaller permanent venues that can become neighborhood or school facilities after initial use by the Olympics and Paralympics. In the matter of a permanent facility for archery, the city would have to start a program (after-school or community) for archery and archery clubs would have to start around CT to utilize the venue. I think that a permanent world class kayak/canoe facilty could be an integral part of CT attractions, perhaps being Africas and the southern hemisphere's premier center for competition, trials and of course practice, drawing people from all over the world to compete and practice in a top-notch venue.

PROPOAL ONE OF MANY:

http://img154.exs.cx/img154/5152/ctlogoprop1atl7gb.jpg

I thought that it represents the Strelitzia (which is also one of our National flowers) ... on closer inspection it could represent the African continent as well .. by making some parts of the "flower" thicker etc. it will look like the African continent which should be part of the emblem ... South Africa for Africa !

A word of advice ... forget about Culembourg, Ysterplaat and Youngsfield. That cow of a Mayor we have has already got those sites under her grubby little paws. They are destined for low cost housing and nothing is going to change that.

Robben Island might be a problem because it is a World Heritage Site
(I am not to sure but aren't their restrictions regarding further building operations ?) .. if not ... I think that Robben Island will be a great venue for the entire Olympic Complex .... that brings me to the next question ... how big is Robben Island and how much space does one need for the Olympic Village .....

Maybe another alternative is to build the main stadium at Green Point with a ferry terminal at The V & A (which is proposed already) - bus connections to and from the stadium to the ferry terminal. The Olympic Flame can burn at the stadium and one can burn on Robben Island (a flame of freedom - it sounds so American ;) ) which will represent the country's apartheid legacy (this is the place where Nelson Mandela was incarcerated and subsequently where he was freed which was the end of apartheid).

The Olympic Village on Robben Island along with other facalities. I guess that I am "wasteing" - what will happen to the village once the Olympics is over ?

yes gandalf i def saw the african shape at first and im not sure about which flower it is secondly will reply later about the seccond post u made too tired now ... otherwise greenpoint is great but accesibility is my big worry also im gonna kick our mayors butt so we can get culemborg and wingfield im sick of low cost housing and now i sound like a snob she should flatten the informal settlements and build houses there and not in our best places i am very angry now supose i just need a nap...

aaaagh i feel like really doing something now to stop her from doing stupid things.... culemborg is excellent for a media village and IBC and MPC and she i s going to mess it all up she is so narrow minded i think im gonna set up a meeting with someone and im about to email her believe it or not i got a reply to an email i sent regarding 2014 CWG but it was a poor response..... im going to send a stinking email now

Well, eventhough you mentioned that i should forget about culemborg, ysterlpaat and youngsfield i refuse to give in.... culemborg is not a place for low cost houses cape town city centre is growing and expanding and culemborg will benefit from this expansion... she really is stupid

For robben island only simple temp seating for 5000 is needed its not that complicated nothing perm will be built i disagree i dont think its accesible and wise to have an olympic complex on robben island and its not allowed anyway i simply suggested some housing for the archers to make things easier robben island should not be developed at all... i dont think i mentioned robben island as an olympic complex ...robben island is fairly large and the space one needs for an olympic village could fit onto robben island but IOC are more impressed with villages that are at the olympic park so if onlyi could buy that wingfield land then their is over enough space for ten or more venues and the village

stadium at greennpoint yet but i will talk to some engineers and architects about improving its accessibility, greenpoint can be kept as a training venue as sydney had but a reall really careful and simple olympic park with fewer venues would have to be planned....ferry terminal at the waterfront seems good and then buses can transport people from waterfront to the olympic park at greenpoint (sorry for being so sketchy at the moment)
the olympic flame for 2004 games was suppose to be on robben island i was never in favour of this but i have a super idea for an olympic flame (i think its nice) which i cannot reveal but its will def be spectacular and will require david copperfields help witht the flying part hint hint....

robben island is great but not for the flame, if archery and another sport can be located on our island then it will be more populare for spectators to see....

yes a village on robben island is not feasible either if we could get that wingfield land then post games the olympic village would be lapped up in to time and canal walk and ratanga (if it still exists) can become one with the olympic park so spectators can shop and watch sport perhaps underground tunnels should be built between wingfield and canal walk under the N1 but intergrating canal walk into the olympic park will be great... it could simple be an extension of the amazing developments at canal walk

apologies for being very sketchy but its the mood i am tonight

MINISTER BALFOUR'S BUDGET VOTE SPEECH: NCOP

20 May 2003

"The 2003 ICC Cricket World Cup has come and gone and has meant a lot to our society! While the performances of the Proteas in the competition was disappointing to local supporters, the tournament itself was a resounding success and I want to congratulate the Organising Committee. I want to, especially, single out the support which they obtained from the Provincial and Local Authorities without whose assistance, the competition would never have been able to take place. The cooperation that prevailed between the three spheres of government and the private sector presents a model that should be emulated in similar endeavours that we may embark on in future. The 2010 Soccer World Cup Bid should draw on it. I want to extend a special word of congratulations also to the mayors of cities who hosted fund raising banquets to support charities of their choice. These were certainly noble gestures that serve to prove how sport and sports events can be used to leverage resources for other causes. The socio-economic benefits of the Cricket World Cup have also proven that sport can contribute significantly to addressing the major challenges that we face as a country. The consequences of the huge influx of spectators from abroad has assisted us as a department and as an institution generally, to address one of the major challenges of our times in South Africa, that of job-creation and poverty relief. It is estimated that about 20 000 foreign spectators visited our shores to watch the Cricket World Cup first hand. That translates into close to 3 500 jobs. Initial estimates indicate the economic benefits of the event amount to some R1 billion. It proves that sport has a role to play in pushing back the frontiers of poverty.

We recently, hosted a successful conference on developing a strategy for bidding for, and hosting major, international sports events. The conference was well attended by representatives of local and provincial authorities. I am happy to confirm that we reached consensus about approaching bids in an orderly fashion to ensure that we develop the capacity, incrementally, to host larger and more complex events to enable us, eventually, to present the biggest spectacle of world sports, the Olympic Games, some time in t!he future. During the conference we committed ourselves to prioritise bids to host the 2010 Soccer World Cup, the 2014 Commonwealth Games, and to give consideration to the 2020 Olympic Games. Of course, events take place in cities and towns and local and provincial authorities have a critical role to play in any international event that we plan to host. I am encouraged by the trend in certain national federations to host some of their international events in cities and towns that do not often have such opportunities. The last two Davis Cup matches that were hosted in Nelspruit and Polokwane, respectively, the World Shooting Championships in Limpopo, and the Bafana Bafana games in Port Elizabeth and East London are examples of these. "

Please go to this forum to vote for cape town which has a very narrow lead over rio

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^^ There are alot of Brazilians in SSC so don't let the results influence you .. it also doesn't matter what the vote is, we know that we have a good thing going.

hi gandalf i am certainly aware of the many brazilians and i know one poll is not the be and do all of a cape town bid however i was trying to see what the international response is like to a cape town bid and it seems very good so far, although these forums are not read by the IOC it cant harm a cape town bid if cape town is on the tongues or in the back of peoples minds as a favourite to host an olympic games, this medium does reach a large amount of people and soon i would like to start a website about a cape town olympic bid so that at least some marketing takes place... who knows maybe i will get the name cape town 2020 copyrighted so that the bid commitee will have to pay me to buy the name when they bid hehe

Mo Rush just one thing:
don't worry about Rio. It will never get the Olympics

I dont think Rio will ever get them but Buenos Aires should!

Well thats what i thought i never thought that Rio would get a chance if BA was also in south america, buenos aires is just soo much better and suited to an olympic games and i have always been a supporter of it hosting the 2016 olympic games...

QUESTION: what is the capacity of the convention centre exhibition halls i know sydney used there exhibition halls for four sports, im sure the CTICC is smaller but does anyone have an idea of the seating configuration or a seating chart or how many tennis courts wil fit or if it is suited to hosting wrestling and weightlifting during the olympic games each sports needs about 5,000 seating and weighlifting needs a semi-circle ring sort of seating..

I could'nt find a seating chart but there are two auditoriums with fixed seating, respectaviley holding 620 and 1500 people. There is a grand exhibition space that is 10000 square meters, that can be one open space or partitioned. The center also includes the deluxe 483 room Arabella Shaeraton hotel.

To all those who are sceptical about venues that will be unused after the olympic games here is one idea that cape town would and should make use of to host sports events that fit within the budget of the games making the games lest cost effective and the future legacy stronger

this idea was proposed by paris 2012 and partly london 2012 has also used this idea:

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USE of temporary venues that can be dismantled after the games...

http://www.parisjo2012.fr/en/jo2012/sports_venues/western_cluster/att00001178/pav_00.jpg

http://www.parisjo2012.fr/en/jo2012/sports_venues/western_cluster/att00001175/pav_000.jpg

http://www.parisjo2012.fr/en/jo2012/sports_venues/western_cluster/att00001181/pav_0000.jpg

http://www.parisjo2012.fr/en/jo2012/sports_venues/western_cluster/att00000353/pav_000.jpg

Additional projects include six temporary pavilions (preventing cost overruns by avoiding structures that won’t be sustainable once the Olympics leave) built with reusable materials that would house events like weight lifting and handball. Permanent structures would include an amorphous Aquatic Center, and the Super Dome, a 22,000-seat indoor stadium built at the northern edge of Paris to host gymnastics.


Cape Town could make use of this idea

I Proposed that these pavillions be built at Greenpoint which fits in with the "COAST AND CITY CENTRE" cluster of venues, cape town will certainly prevent overspending and save on the costs of maintaining the venues post olympic games.....

these temporary venues are built in such a way so that they can be dismantled and rebuilt elsewhere in cape town where needed and elsewhere in the country in some poorer regions....

certainly i believe that when it comes to venues CAPE TOWN 2020 will master the IOC ideals for venues creating a compact, beautitul, magical, and spectacular olympic games...


CAPE TOWN 2020
"FEEL THE AFRICAN HEARTBEAT"

thank you datilguy i do know that but i was hoping that there was some sort of floor plan that would allow me to see if weightlifting and wrestling was possible each would require 5,000-8,000 seats, and training areas which the ballrooms can be converted into (imagine the amazing views the athletes will have training in the ballroom areas.... ive been there myself and it is amazing)

this is the layout of wrestling and weightlifting

http://www.gamesinfo.com.au/images/maps/venues/DH_exhibition.gif

http://www.gamesinfo.com.au/images/maps/venues/Accss_Convention_Centre.gif

http://www.gamesinfo.com.au/postgames/en/images/vol1/08_appendices/02_competition_venues/ConventionDiagram.gif

wrestling is in hall 1 and 2 and weightlifting in hall three
wrestling needs a capacity of 4,000 and the weightlifting needs a capacity of 5,000 sydney had 9,000 capacity for the latter
is this layout possible for the convention centre exhibition halls??

Come to think of it the velodrome could be temporary, and the water polo diving and synchronised swimming can all be held w/ the swimming aquatic center instead of separate ones like in Athens.

The exhibition halls in the CTICC are column free and 10,000 square meters is a BUNCH of space. Being column free gives it a lot of open space so stands and stage can be temporary and the floor to ceiling height is 16 meters which is quite tall allowing for severly space saving multi-tiered stands like the Red Rock Pavilion.

You know what CT needs is a natural roman style outdoor theater somewhere near Table Mountain. Surely one must exist somewhere in Cape Town Metro. What about the waterfront for venues?Also how about the square in front of CT city hall? BMW pavilion? Kirstenbosh Botanical Gardens? The gardens and city hall really dont tie into "Coast and City Center" idea but might be worth looking into anyway. The exhibition hall of CTICC is rectangular so I am sure the shape would work but is there enough space?

I supose Oude Libertas Ampitheater is too small and far-flung for a venue? It would make a good day trip for Olympic-goers and is not too too far. Mo Rush, you've gone and gotten me all excited with this Olympic thing! Now I am determined to find a wrestling venue!

Come to think of it the velodrome could be temporary, and the water polo diving and synchronised swimming can all be held w/ the swimming aquatic center instead of separate ones like in Athens.

Well, datilguy we have an excellent velodrome already in bellville did you not know?????


http://www.mlh.co.za/velodrome1.jpg


http://www.brownbuilt.co.za/applications/images/siterolling01.jpg

http://www.mlh.co.za/velodrome2.jpg

http://www.mlh.co.za/velodrome3.jpg

Initially developed for the South African Olympic Bid, this venue hosted the World Cycling Federation Championships in 1999.
The project was completed in 9 months from inception.
The Velodrom features an accoustically treated soffit lining for purposes of hosting music and other entertainment events.
The Velodrome was designed as a phased development with seating capacity on completion of up to 10 200 seats. Phase 1 is complete and various designs exist as well as development proposals for the surrounding property to support support the functions of the Velodrome.

All final aquatic event shall be held in the aquatic centre which will feature a bowl like seating format as the one in durban is and will have a capacity of around 17,500. The aquatic centre will feature a full retractabe roof and solar panels ensuring that eneergy is saved and in this way energy can be used to heat pools to the required temperature. The Aquatic Centre will consist of the main competition pool the diving pool, both pools which are designed so that their floor surface can be raised and lowered, making the venue available for other fuctions and conferences, post games the capacity will decrease to 8,000 making it Africa's premier aquatic centre which can compete with the best around the world. The Aquatic Centre will feature another two pools, one a 50m training venue and the other a smaller pool for indoor training for other aquatic events, The second training pool will be removed post games and that area will be converted into a fun and leisure aquatic park, the retractable roof will continue to draw crows in the summer.

However the Newlands Swimming Pool which has a 50m pool and a diving pool will receive massive upgrades in terms of seating on the other side of the main grand stand which already exists, the capacity will be increased to 5,000 and the venue could be used as a traning venue but more importantly the venue for synchronized swimming and water polo prelims. This will allow a cluster of venues in this area, i.e. newlands sahara park stadium - 25,000 baseball -newlands rugby stadium 45,000 - foot ball and now the swimming pool. However if the necessary funds are not available or it is seen as non-feasible to construct a temporary roof for the newlands pool then the venue would simple become a private outdoor training venue for athletes.
http://www.wynghs.co.za/images/Sport/Synchro/michaela.jpg


Here are some amazing images that gandalf took that completely blew me away and temps me soo much to consider this area although very inaccesible to convert it into the aquatic centre by moving the ocean a bit back and using a tranparent material so that one can still see the sea views

http://mishappa.image.pbase.com/u46/craigsyd/upload/29411172.Poolsunset.jpg


http://jja.image.pbase.com/u46/craigsyd/upload/29411173.Poolsunset2.jpg

You know what CT needs is a natural roman style outdoor theater somewhere near Table Mountain. Surely one must exist somewhere in Cape Town Metro. What about the waterfront for venues?Also how about the square in front of CT city hall? BMW pavilion? Kirstenbosh Botanical Gardens? The gardens and city hall really dont tie into "Coast and City Center" idea but might be worth looking into anyway. The exhibition hall of CTICC is rectangular so I am sure the shape would work but is there enough space?

This is an excellent idea and i though of this from the start that if this could be achieved then a perfect backdrop or location could easily be found if the venue was temporary or perhaps permanent depending on its future use, i actually dont know of one or pehaps i am not thinking....

Well i thought about the waterfront for volleyball but camps bay beach is far bettet option with stunning backdrops....the square in front of the city hall has been lying under the surface of my plans for a while now i thought i would first ease people into the idea that the architecture and style of the castle of good hope lends itself to a classy never done before fencing venue making use of the esat sector of the city and forcing massive upgrade to the cape town mtero station and rail network bridges can simple be built (new ones) from the rail station to the castle which will need a very innovative designer to come up with a temporary tensile roof to convert the castel's main outdoor area to an indoor arena for the duration of the games, a second coutryard also exists making it a perfect area for training area for fencer...a few tens could be erected to complement or boost the facilites needed which are already minimal

but can you imgagine the two fencers competing and the amazing backdrop old english castle look behind them this will certainly impress the IOC, the city hall idea does indeed form pary of the COAST and CITY centre cluster as it is in the city centre....but which sport will be held here, i do think it should be an outdoor sport as an indoor temporary pavillion will cause problems perhaps..

but which sport ???? perhaps indoor volleyball??? let me know
in the meanwhile we can start to imagine


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http://www.aerialeye.co.za/ciha03.jpg

IMO i thought that as the CTICC, the fencing venue the transport hub, the media centre and media village and the good hope centre are all in close proxmity the grand parade could be converted into a nightly concert venue or leisure market area with bands and local acts keeping crowds busy and intrigued during the games....but this would need to be configured carefull allowing large walkways for crowds and quick easy and efficient stalls that can be ubilt and and taken down easily ... perhaps a bridge from the castle to the goodhope centre and train station and grand parade should be built to allow access to multiple venues....

http://www.castleofgoodhope.co.za/images/Castle-drawing.gif

http://www.thirtyfootscrew.com/gallery/data/media/14/Day_03_-_Castle_of_Good_Hope_-_Dolphinarium.jpg

The CASTLE will provide one of the most spectacular and dramatic venues for fencing ever seen in olympic games history

A bridge should be constructed here to allow fans access to the parade that is safe..
http://www.usdsu.org/faculty/jewellm/Pictures/South%20Africa%20Trip/4.%20Cape%20Town/Castle%20Good%20Hope%20Cape%20Town.JPG

I CANT help but imagining a packed cape town 2020 olympic stadium as this image from sydney 2000

http://rainton.com/fun/diary/2000/2000_09/107-0737_merged.jpg

This beach volleyball venue is a piece of cake for cape town to construct at camps bay and should attract full houses each day of competition

http://rainton.com/fun/diary/2000/2000_09/106-0636_img.jpg

http://rainton.com/fun/diary/2000/2000_09/105-0596_merged.jpg

CAPE TOWNS FENCING VENUE will makey sydney 2000 fencing venue look like very unspectacular.....

http://rainton.com/fun/diary/2000/2000_09/104-0457_merged.jpg

The Grand Parade will come alive at night and during the day with concerts and stalls allowing tourists to go wild and experience a great day at the olympics...

http://www.victoriandrawings.com/Parade.jpg

http://www.trailfinders.co.za/pics/destinations/city.jpg

CAPE TOWN 2020
"IMAGINE. DREAM. INSPIRE. UNITE"

Possible seating arrangement at the castle (very quick idea rough sketch)

http://uploads.bestupload.com/redir/58517.gif

Bridge system allowing access directly from cape town mtero station to the grand parade and castle and goodhope centre

http://img83.exs.cx/img83/373/goodhopebridge4xq.jpg

If Cape town is to host an olympic games massive investment would be needed apart from that going into transport for the 2010 soccer world cup
as we all know some areas are not very accessible as in the sea point pool which could become a training venue the camps bay beach volleyball which is not very easily accesible.... and some others i suugest that cape town make use of either subways which is above our means and a big hassle or skytrains that run overhead or tram lines my favourite and more cost effective idea so that people can be transported quickly and effiieiciently not only to currently inaccesible venues but also within the city from venue to venue and perhaps also within the olympic park

here are some images from athens


http://www.****.gr/usergalleries/albums/userpics/10831/tram5.jpg



http://194.30.220.72/news/static/04/07/21/tram-21july04.jpg

http://www.railfaneurope.net/pix/gr/trams/Athens-tram-testrun3.jpg
http://briefcase.pathfinder.gr/download/losad77/25864/306798/0/DSC02567.JPG

the trains are low on noise and with a suitable design can blend in with cape town without spoiling the wonderful scenic beauty of cape town
perhaps one down adderley street would not be a bad idea??

I did not know about the velodrome, I dont live in CT hehe. (deep breath) Wel I was thinking and how about Badminton for the Botanical Gardens or the Grand Parade. It could be outside, the backdrops would be stunning and could be fairly feasible. The fencing at the castle is awesome idea. I am studying architecture in UNM and I thought of a few plans for venues. For the castle roof over fencing how about a shallow half-dome of reflective tin or aluminum for the roof. It sounds kinda corny but essentially the "Olympic Cape Sun" as it would reflect the cape sun beautifully. Or instead my favourite idea would be to use a roll system like the colliseum in rome. A ring (or in this case a rectanguar piece made from tubing would be suspended in the center of the performing ground by cables attached to the castle roof. White cloth strips (for asthetics and of course light) will be rolled down along the cables and attach to the ring. The ring would allow a "spotlight" of sunlight over the fencers while the white cloth over the stands protects the spectators from the hot sun while still allowing ambient light in.The light rail is a great idea for the olympics but CT is a big city and growing and will eventually need a subway. I think they should start and have at least one line in use by 2020. Also for the bridge to the castle from the station, how about a glass and steel eliptical tube. Essentially "new and old meet at the castle".

Cape Town 2020- Discover Africa

Sorry i somehow thought that because many music concerts are held at the velodrome that you would have some knowledge of it, it has been a very succesful venue as a music concert venue and an indoor cycling venue..

yes your ideas are fascinating ill definitely have you on our team for the 2013 bid as your ideas broaden my mind even further and force me to consider some things that are outside the box....

excellent ideas for the castle roof, indeed the bridges should be tubes and i saw some images of tube bridges just a moment ago, this would certainly blend in the new and old but without imposing the new onto the old the two should blend in with each other..

Well the belhar sports centre exists which can have its capacity increased to about 8,000 for olympic use and i think it will be good so that other areas of cape town also receive investments in sport... i think its an IOC requirement that Badminton should be hosted indoors, the botanical gardens idea is certainly interesting, and if the grand parade was to be used then perhaps a large temporary transparent or glass pavillion can be built so that the city hall can be seen from inside creating a wonderufl backdrop....


otherwise i think that the temporary pavillion idea to be used in paris and london is perfect and should be used by cape town, i am still very much in support of the idea that the grand parade be a market and festival area during the games....

btw where is UNM??? well i would like to study architecture when i am done with my currend degree and perhaps specialize in sports venues and sports stadiums, perhaps some day the cape town 2020 venue proposals can be a part of my thesis. hehehe

i very much like the ring idea so that the spectators are protected and the entire area is covered and perhaps the fencing mat or area is covered by a transparent material allowing the naturall light but not the heat inside


hey only i can create the slogans for CAPE TOWN 2020 just kidding your slogan is excellent a bit predictable but cape town is a very european city so perhaps discover africa implies lions and nature and animals roaming the streets hehe
do you perhaps have images of these roofs

here are some random tensile roofs designs let me know what u think u are the architect guy!!hehe

http://www.architectureweek.com/2001/0808/images/11481_image_3.150.jpg

http://www.architectureweek.com/2001/0808/images/11481_image_9.150.jpg

Sorry about the slogans. You're right , a bit predictable. ;) Your pics of rooves came up as X's (sorry). As far as temporary Glass pavilions, glass is not great for temporary because of the weight and fragile(ness) of it. There are some awesome new products that are steel tube framing with layers of high quality transparent plastic that are inflatable and much better for temporary use. They are currently using them in the UK for botanical conservatories and in the US for temp. exhibitions. They can be set up quickly and easily and are almost indestinguishable from glass. That is stupid that the IOC requires Bad. to be inside, traditionally it is an outdoor sport. UNM (university of New Mexico) is in Albuquerque. I think it would be GREAT if you came and studied here!!! It is in the top ten Architectural schools in the western hemisphere. They have a cultural exchange program and I think you should come!! The head professer is Antoine Prodeck of the firm by his same name. And guess what, he specialises in Stadiums. He desighned the New San Diego Padres Baseball park in California. The Padres is a pro baseball team in America and the stadium seats 55,000 or so. He also built and desighned the national museum of china and Jade Mountain in taiwan. Anyway, maybe a pavilion of sorts could be set in Kirstenboch for Bad. The Grand Parade for festivals and celebrations during the olympics is a much better idea.I have pictures of the roofs but do ot know how to post them. Any help?

if your images are on your pc you can upload them to the internet to
www.imageshack.us or www.bestupload.com
then use that url and paste it here make sure that the url is in between the [IMG]......[\IMG] when u upload u will be given an address in that format copy and paste it and the image will appear

if u have the url of the image just copy the image location and click on the picture icon in the "go advanced" posting area and paste the url there the brackets will automatically be placed around the image

or what the heck email me all the pics ten or twenty and ill post them...

Don't you dare apologize about your slogan any slogan ideas that you have you can add, it only takes one moment to come up with an amazingly inspirational and practical slogan....i really hope that people are watching the video about south africa in my signature, somebody yesterday told me how touching it was i think he was perhaps crying...

Here are the locations of the pics with roofs well sometimes i forget that not everyone has adsl internet so i go and post large images...
Yes i literally did not mean glass as a transparent material, i was suggesting perhaps the material used to build greenhouses that is very popular in london, keeping the natural light in and the heat out... the fact that they can be set up quickly is awesome i think i will post images of the new york 2012 temp aquatic centre and then you can please tell me what the material is as the effect is certainly amazing then perhaps the sea point pool as i showed you could also be covered in the this transparent material...

Talk about ignorance i stil think that new mexico has people walking around in those hats and no roads and everyone eats hot chilli food im just kidding i think on too many episodes of speedy gonzalez hehe
neway ill only be able to come study there when i am done at UCT as im studying actuarial science but i will see how it goes im in my second year now but regardless of how long my studies take i will do an architectural course or degree in my time on earth....the cultural exchange program seems awesome but im sure that it will be really expensive and perhaps i should first save money as im not exactly floating in money or if they offer scholarships that would be great..

Well i should definitely meet your head professor im sure we wil have much to talk about...taiwan. "Anyway, maybe a pavilion of sorts could be set in Kirstenboch for Bad" yeah i like this idea and i think i will look into it but kirstenbosch is not parking friendly .....this is the belhar sports centre for badminton so we dont need to worry about it that much


i think our approach should be to minimize costs of the lesser know sports with temp pavillions and use historical landmarks and focus much of the budget on the transport and the main olmypic stadium, the aquatic centre, upgrading the surrounding poorer areas with world class training venues..etc.


i will be posting a revised venue list today, but will assume that the wingfield site and greenpoint and culmeborg site will not be used for low cost housing if they are we'll have to build a man made island for the olmypic park as im not a fain of building a stadium as the stade de france with no surrounding sports facilities at the park, im a great believer in an olmypic sports complex and not stand alone venues....


http://goweb.co.za/nrc/imagesnr/Belhar01.jpg

this is the new york propsed aquatic center i would like to know what material they possibly used , this would look good at the sea point pool as i mentioned earlier so that one can capture the colours at sunset and still see the sea view

http://img151.exs.cx/img151/893/nycaquatics0mg.gif
http://img95.exs.cx/img95/2112/nycaquatics23lf.gif
http://img95.exs.cx/img95/7757/nycaquatics33cd.gif

http://www.aerialeye.co.za/seap04.jpg

http://galleries.news24.com/SA/CT/Peninsula/images/06.jpg

These are some wondeful venue ideas i found, and perhaps what we were looking for in terms of an oudoor /indoor theatre setup...which can be built at the gardens or at a wonderful location..

http://www.architenlandrell.com/portfolio/sport/images/chene01.jpg
http://www.architenlandrell.com/portfolio/sport/images/lloyd01.jpg
http://www.architenlandrell.com/portfolio/sport/images/lloyd02.jpg

http://www.architenlandrell.com/portfolio/sport/images/lloyd03.jpg

http://www.architenlandrell.com/portfolio/sport/images/rosebowl01.jpg

http://www.architenlandrell.com/portfolio/sport/images/rosebowl03.jpg

http://www.architenlandrell.com/portfolio/sport/images/hualien02.jpg

http://www.architenlandrell.com/portfolio/sport/images/hurlingham01large.jpg
http://www.architenlandrell.com/portfolio/sport/images/montage01.jpg

http://www.architenlandrell.com/portfolio/sport/images/montage02.jpg

http://www.architenlandrell.com/portfolio/sport/images/montage03.jpg

just thought i would post this here as i did on another forum:

Thanks a lot i really appreciate it, those images are great and i particularly like the aquatic centre and the tennis centre as cape town has neither although it can create an indoor centre for swimming just some cape town existing venues:

BELHAR SPORTS CENTRE BADMINTON: (8,000)

http://goweb.co.za/nrc/imagesnr/Belhar01.jpg

AQUATIC TRAINING VENUE

http://galleries.news24.com/SA/CT/Peninsula/images/06.jpg

CASTLE OF GOOD HOPE (5,000) AND GOODHOPE CENTRE (6,000)
(top of image) FENCING AND TABLE TENNIS

http://img83.exs.cx/img83/373/goodhopebridge4xq.jpg

http://www.museums.org.za/iziko/images/hire/castle05.jpg

VELODROME : CYCLING (6,000)

http://www.brownbuilt.co.za/applications/images/siterolling01.jpg

http://www.viewbyview.com/assets/images/CT.1.300.jpg

http://www.viewbyview.com/assets/images/CT.2.1.jpg

HOCKEY CENTRE HARTLEYVALE

http://www.nuhc.co.uk/NUHC_Annual_Easter_Tour_files/hart5.jpg

http://www.nuhc.co.uk/NUHC_Annual_Easter_Tour_files/BM7.JPG

http://www.aerialeye.co.za/hast03.jpg

NEWLANDS RUGBY STADIUM - SOCCER 50,000



http://www.gilesridley.com/rugbypics/wpr02.jpg

http://www.aerialphoto.co.za/images/Newlands%20Cricket%20Rugby%20&%20SAB.jpg

http://www.newlandstours.co.za/images/rugby-statium.jpg

NEWLANDS CRICKET STADIUM - BASEBALL 25,000 and NEWLANDS SWIMMING CENTREswimming centre to the right and north of the cricket field

http://img142.exs.cx/img142/4333/newlandsaerial3ki.png

http://img142.exs.cx/img142/6272/newlandsaerial28mv.png

http://www.aerialphoto.co.za/images/cricketstadium.jpg

GREENPOINT STADIUM SOCCER 20,000

http://www.photonetwork.co.za/photographers/KobusSmit/KOSM0249.jpg

CAPE TOWN INTERNATIONAL CONVENTION CENTRE - WRESTLING AND WEIGHLIFTING

http://www.cticc.co.za//userimages/CTICCVIEWT_middle.jpg

http://www.cticc.co.za//userimages/CTICC_EX_middle.jpg

http://www.cticc.co.za//userimages/Arrival-Kudu_middle.jpg

ATHLONE STADIUM - 25,000

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/africa/south_africa/western_cape/cape_town_athlone.jpg

http://archive.touchlinephoto.com/touchline/image-bin/2004/06/30/102406-smitcarriestorchstadium.lrw.jpg

TURFHALL SOFTBALL STADIUM

http://www.softball.co.za/thallatnight.jpg

BEACH VOLLEYBALL CAMPS BAY BEACH

http://www.fivb.org/vis_web/beach/2004/Photos/MCAP2004/Screen/mcap2004.129.jpg
image taken 2004 FIVB WORLD CUP

http://www.fivb.org/vis_web/beach/2004/Photos/MCAP2004/Screen/mcap2004.109.jpg

POSSIBLE EQUESTRIAN CENTRE

http://www.aro.co.za/IMAGES/COURSES/KENIL1.gif

CYCLING ROAD RACE

http://goinside.com/98/4/argus4.jpg

http://www.golden-bike.ch/01_album/Arg59.jpg

MARATHON


http://www.colibri.se/skukuza/bilder/sydafrika-Rob-6-384x256.jpg

http://www.sportotto.de/two_oceans/head_logo.jpg

Well those are some of cape towns venues its not much but we are proud of what we do have
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http://archive.touchlinephoto.com/touchline/image-bin/2004/06/12/101458-radebekissestorchlooks.lrw.jpg

You know that New Mexico is in the U.S.A right? ;) Very modern (some call it the new silicon valley). I'll send you some pics and info. Cultural exchange programs are in most part paid for by your current tuition. Those temp transparent pavilions are plastic "bubbles" filled with air and set usually in hexagonal or octagonal fitiings. I racked my brain last night and found a new revolutionary way for a roman roll system. Speaking of fencing at the castle what will be done for the flooring? Thanks for your great compilments! :)

You know that New Mexico is in the U.S.A right? ;) Very modern (some call it the new silicon valley). I'll send you some pics and info. Cultural exchange programs are in most part paid for by your current tuition. Those temp transparent pavilions are plastic "bubbles" filled with air and set usually in hexagonal or octagonal fitiings. I racked my brain last night and found a new revolutionary way for a roman roll system. Speaking of fencing at the castle what will be done for the flooring? Thanks for your great compilments! :)

Yes i do know that new mexico is in USA im not that stupid just the first time you mentioned it i thought mexico instead of new mexico neway
thanks for going to send some stuff....

back to business:

Well do you think that the plastic bubbles system could be used over the sea point pool and is this cost effective for cape town??? Well please email me pics of the new roman roll system or send me links here

Well the actual area for the fencers to compete on will be elevated above thr ground so that should not be a problem and i was actually thinking of elevating or ensuring that the stands or spectator pavillions do not touch the ground or cause minimal damage
the other option would be ro remove the grass for the games as it can easily be replaced afterwards.... then to use some form of flooring im not an expert in flooring so not sure but simple floor covers should be ok??

neway im working on a revised venue list at the moment
do u perhaps know how to build a website??? i want to start a 2020 website with the images of sports venues proposed...

Sorry, no offense meant. I know your not stupid but to be truthfully honest with you it is not the first time somebody thought I lived in Mexico. Even other Americans if you can believe it. Plastic "bubble" consevatories are very cost effective and quite easy to build. They have to be done just right to make sure no damage is done. The new roman roll system is something I just thought up of last night so I dont have pics yet, but I can send you some pics of a similar idea. Also I will see if I can use my program drafting software to draw up some things though it may take a couple of weeks(hopefully not that long, I'll bust my ass.) I am curious, how many square feet is is the area of the courtyard in the castle. Elevated platforms are a great idea and would probably be made of lumber or steel. The onlyproblem is getting people to the courtyard. Is there an outside entrance or would they walk through the castle? Flooring could simply be a plywood subfloor with carpets and mats or bamboo flooring could be laid quite easily and cheaply depening on the size. The general idea for the roll system would be a rectangular or square ring about 20 by 10 feet (or larger, I would have to get the measurements) made of lightweight tubing. Attached to this would be 18 connectors of the same tubing that would run from the centerpiece to the roof of the castle or if not the roof holders above the roof. Then a white canvas sheeting cut into the right shape (4 of them for the respective sides) with u-grommets would be laid on top and connected to the tube frame with u-bolts or something similar. After the floor, stands and everything else was built a white cloth would be laid and affixed to the underside of the tube framing as to not see the tubes. Fans can be placed along the perimeter and blow air nbetween the two layers to act as a sort of air-conditioning. I dont know how to set up a website but there are shitloads of companies here that do that sort of thing (I am sure there are inCT too). I'll check into it.

No no problem at all.... well the plastic bubble idea seems fairly cost effective as cape town would also need to focus on its training venues for athletes so these conservatories seem viable, i am beginning to understand the roman roll system a bit better but im not completely in with the lingo or some terms, but i am getting a good picture of what it looks like..

Thanks for actually considering some of my ideas as im not exactly as knowledgable as you are regarding some design techniques...pics of a similar idea would be great i will message you my email address..

well what program do you use and is it difficult to use?? Well there is an outside entrance people dont necessarily need to move through the castle to get to the venue. SO there is an outside entrance and seating could be arrange to ensure that sufficient pathways are created so that the castle itself is not disturbed.

question: as the castle is an old building will a temp roof add too much strain to the building i dont know if this is what you suggested but perhaps beams from outside the castle could hold up a floating roof just high enough so that the pressure is not directly on the building itself a similar idea can be seen in those pics i posted

hey datilguy when u said fans can blow into the open spaces i imagined "SpectatorS" literally blowing air into the spaces neway i know u meant air conditioners type things.

I use auto and turbo cd drafting programs. At first their difficult to use but once you get the hang of it. Rally complicated and time involved. As for the castle, I was thinking about damage last night. Initially I thought of drilling holes but for obvious reason that plan has been sacked. You could use temporary clamping systems on the building or your suggestion helped me out with another idea. Large temporary poles could be set around the castle with a white canvas roof with many angles over the whole castle not just the courtyard. It would be similar to the roofing structure of Olympic Stadium in Munich. As soon as I wrote the"fans" I thought what you did but was lazy and did not change it. :)

I use auto and turbo cd drafting programs. At first their difficult to use but once you get the hang of it. Rally complicated and time involved. As for the castle, I was thinking about damage last night. Initially I thought of drilling holes but for obvious reason that plan has been sacked. You could use temporary clamping systems on the building or your suggestion helped me out with another idea. Large temporary poles could be set around the castle with a white canvas roof with many angles over the whole castle not just the courtyard. It would be similar to the roofing structure of Olympic Stadium in Munich. As soon as I wrote the"fans" I thought what you did but was lazy and did not change it. :)

Well i certainly should perhaps take a course in that program or get hold of it as i would def make use of it...yeah so i think that perhaps large poles or beems erected outside the castle will ensure a sort of massive indoor dome allowing un interrupeted views and mininmal damage to the stadium

indeed the munich stadium was a marvel and spectacular one that receives some of the highest praise even today still... except i would prefer white as the roof material colour, i have not yet found out the size of the courtyard but note that it is not only the main coutryard that would need to be covered (for a moment i imagined the tension building inside the castle as the olympic fencinf final was about to begin people talking and noise echoing throught the pathways and building, the atmosphere is tangible yet the setting is classy and sophisticated and it is as if two men in battle jumped out of the castle and are enjoying a fierce battle in front of a live audience the sport will become more of an art or form of entertainment than a serious olympic event)

the second coutryard which will become the large training area for fencers would also need to be covered, so if five poles are erected at each corner of the castle then the large temp roof could be built from that but some support would be need in the cenre, so two beams could run from the centre to either side of the middle part of the castle

here is a simple idea:
BEFORE:

http://www.trainlodge.co.za/img/active/goodhope.jpg

AFTER:

http://img101.exs.cx/img101/6426/37100557capecastle4rl.jpg



AFTER:

http://img101.exs.cx/img101/8816/castlemainroof9ky.jpg

http://img74.exs.cx/img74/9513/hex07hs.gif

In the final image the two grey dots near the centre of the castle represent two beams to support the roof strucuture note also smaller beams that run from the castle roof to the temp roof for added support withouth placing tension on the castle building itself...also not the seating arrangement, steep seating ensures that 5,000 capacity can be reached

CAPE TOWN OLYMPIC VENUES Revised list one

Competition Venues
Sports Discipline Venue name Gross Venue Capacity

Athletics Track and Field Olympic Stadium, Olympic Park Wingfield 90,000
Marathon Olympic Marathon Course 10,000
Walk Olympic Stadium, Olympic Park (race walk/marathon finish) 90,000
Rowing Olympic Regatta Centre, Zeekoevlei 20,000
Badminton Olympic Badminton at Greenpoint Indoor Pavillion 1 6,000
Baseball Olympic Baseball Centre, Sahara Park Newlands 25,000
Olympic Park Baseball Stadium, Wingfield 10,000
Basketbal Finalsl Cape Town Superbowl, Cape Town Olympic Park, Wingfield 20,000
Olympic Basketball Prelims Indoor Centre, Phillipi East 10,000
Boxing Olympic Boxing at Mew Way Community Centre 10,000
Canoe/Kayak Flatwater Olympic Regatta Centre, Zeekoevlei 20,000
Slalom Olympic Regatta Centre, Zeekoevlei 10,000
Cycling Track Belville Olympic Velodrome 6,000
Road Road Cycling Course 10,000
Mountain Biking Olympic Mountain Biking Course, Coetzenburg 5,000
BMX Olympic BMX Centre, Olympic Park 6,000 or at Kraaifontein
Equestrian Jumping, Dressage, Eventing Olympic Equestrian Centre, Kenilworth Racecourse Equestrian Centre 30,000
Fencing Olympic Fencing Centre, Castle of Good Hope (Indoor) 6,000
Football Finals Olympic Football Stadium in Newlands 50,000
Finals Olympic Stadium, Olympic Park 90,000
Preliminaries Olympic Football Stadium in Athlone 40,000
Preliminaries Olympic Football Stadium, Kings Park Durban 60,000
Preliminaries Olympic Football Stadium, Soccer City Johannesburg 90,000
Preliminaries Olympic Football Stadium in Port Elizabeth 60,000
Preliminaries Olympic Football Stadium in Greenpoint 30,000
Gymnastics Artistic, Trampoline, Rythmic Cape Town Superbowl, Cape Town Olympic Park, 20,000
Weightlifting Olympic Weightlifting and Wrestling at Cape Town International Convention Centre 5,000 for each sport
Handball Olympic Handball Centre at Greenpoint Indoor Pavillion 2 8,000
Hockey Olympic Hockey Centre, Hartleyvale 15,000 + 5,100
Judo Olympic Judo and Taekwondo Centre, Belhar Sports Centre 8,000
Wrestling Olympic Weightlifting and Wrestling at Cape Town International Convention Centre 5,000 for each sport
Aquatics Swimming Olympic Aquatic Centre, Cape Town Olympic Park 18,500
Synchronized Swimming Olympic Aquatic Centre, Cape Town Olympic Park 18,500
Water Polo (Finals) Olympic Aquatic Centre, Cape Town Olympic Park 18,500
Diving (Finals) Olympic Aquatic Centre, Cape Town Olympic Park 18,500
Water Polo (Prelims- semis) Olympic Water Polo Centre at Newlands Pool 5,000
Diving (Prleims) Olympic Water Polo Centre at Newlands Pool 5,000
Modern Pentathlon Archery (3000), Athletics (start 3000 finish 15,000)
Swimming and Fencing 4,000
Equestrian 30,000
Softball Olympic Softball Centre at Turfhall 8,000
Taekwondo Olympic Judo and Taekwondo Centre, Belhar Sports Centre 8,000
Tennis Olympic Tennis Centre at Greenpoint Common 21,000
Centre Court (10,000) Court No. One (5,500) Court No. Two (1,500) Other (200)
Table Tennis Olympic Table Tennis at Good Hope Centre 6,000
Shooting Olympic Shooting Centre at Constantia 5,000
Archery Olympic Archery Centre at Robben Island 5,000
Triathlon Granger Bay, Triathlon Course no fixed capacity
Yachting/Sailing Olympic Sailing Centre 5,000
Volleyball Indoor Olympic Volleyball Greenpoint Indoor Pavillion 3 10,000
Beach Olympic Beach Volleyball at Camps Bay 12,000

http://img18.exs.cx/img18/135/capemap9fa.jpg

Just a very rough idea for the three indoor pavillions that can be dismantled after the games and be rebuilt elsewhere where it is needed
this reduces costs and ensure that the other venues have stronger legacies and poorer areas benefit from new indoor pavillions

the greenpoint common area will be transformed with trees into a parkland with training fields around and when the pavillions are removed the space will return to normal use but in a better setting of trees and flora...

CAPETONIANS,SOUTH AFRICANS AND THE WORLD
OUR TIME HAS COME,OUR MOMENT AND DREAMS ARE CLOSER THAN WE EVER IMAGINED

uesday, January 11, 2005

Rogge Urges African Countries To Bid For Summer Games - Praises Beijing 2008
Posted 12:27 pm ET (GamesBids.com)

At the start of a four-day visit to Kenya, International Olympic Committee (IOC) President Jacques Rogge said he was happy that South Africa was going to stage the 2010 soccer World Cup and could then move on to bid for the Summer Olympic Games some time in the future.

Rogge told reporters, “it is always my dear hope that Africa can stage the Olympic Games in future. At the moment no African country has put in a bid but I sincerely hope and wish that they come forward in the not-too-distant future to stage this prestigious event.

“I am happy that the FIFA World Cup will be staged in South Africa in 2010. The continent can focus on this huge assignment first then make a move to host the Summer Games in future.”

Meanwhile Rogge praised China’s preparation for the Beijing 2008 Summer Games. He said, “it’s always a great challenge to organize an Olympic Games because it’s a huge, huge organization, a very complex one. Definitely, our Chinese friends have everything in hands, and they are doing extremely well”.

He specially commended the Beijing Organizing Committee saying, “it’s a very good organizing committee, and we will work closely with them”.

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I AM SOOO HAPPY !! should cape town go for 2016 are we ready now?????

Rogge urges Africa to bid for 2016 Olympic Games
www.chinaview.cn 2005-01-12 09:40:30

NAIROBI, Jan. 11 (Xinhuanet) -- International Olympic Committee president Jacques Rogge urged African nations Tuesday to bid for the 2016 Olympics.

Making his first trip to Africa since his election as IOC chief in 2001, Rogge said he hopes the games can go "as soon as possible" to the continent for the first time.

A successful 2010 soccer World Cup in South Africa would boost the continent's future Olympic chances, he said.

Cape Town, South Africa, finished third in the voting for the 2004 Olympics, which were held in Athens, Greece. The Egyptian capital, Cairo, was eliminated in the early stages of the campaignfor 2008.

There were no African bids for the 2012 Olympics, which is being contested between Paris, New York, London, Madrid and Moscow.The IOC will select the host city in Singapore in July.

The bidding process for the 2016 games won't begin until 2007, with the host city chosen in 2009.

An African city would stand a strong chance of winning if it meets key requirements, Rogge said. He cited good security, transportation and venues, as well as a compact layout, a minimum of 30,000 hotel rooms and a strong national team.

Hosting the games in Africa would help improve conditions in a continent that is struggling to combat poverty and a lack of key infrastructure, he said.

"The games are more than just a sporting event, they are also the occasion for the city to upgrade itself," Rogge said. "Look atwhat happened in Athens. It is a transformed city, thanks to the games. They have a new airport, a new metro, a new tramway, a new telecommunications center, new roads."

During his four-day visit to Kenya, Rogge is attending the 50thanniversary celebrations of the national Olympic committee and meeting sports, government and U.N. aid officials.

Rogge will also visit the high-altitude training center run by former Kenyan distance great Kip Keino in Eldorate. Enditem

I dont know what to say. :| (blank stare) Greenpoint is really nice, I think that would work well. That venues list. WOW. I mean really really good. Shooting center in Constantia? Cool. How do the staves that support the tent attach to the castle? I suppose pilasters could be put up.


Cape Town 2020- TASTE IS EVERYTHING...... (oh wait, thats Sprite. Silly me %) )

I dont know what to say. :| (blank stare) Greenpoint is really nice, I think that would work well. That venues list. WOW. I mean really really good. Shooting center in Constantia? Cool. How do the staves that support the tent attach to the castle? I suppose pilasters could be put up.


Cape Town 2020- TASTE IS EVERYTHING...... (oh wait, thats Sprite. Silly me %) )

HEhe nice one with the sprite slogan hehe
why where you speechless, its sooo funny kenya has decided to bid to host the olympic games but i think they have confused the event firstly for a soccer match hehe and secondly i think they have the idea that the whole country stages the event and not one city...they suprised even jacques rogge who was in a way speechless as he certainly does not think kenya could host even a few events safely, the nice thing is that he mentioned south africa in particular meaning that cape town should bid for the 2016 games
looking at the london bid they too still need to build the following as we do:

Olympic Stadium
Aquatic Centre
Three Indoor Halls
BMX Centre
Velodrome which we already have
Hockey Centre which we already have
We need a tennis centre and they need a velodrome
Most of our venues for football are complete or would be complete as london's is
Both cities will make use of their cricket stadiums, i dont think they have a softball stadium either
both cities will need massive improvements in transport as londons transport system was quoted as being "obsolete" , perhaps cape town can relate as well

So in all likelihood as long as we come up with a modern, efficient and aesthetically pleasing olympic park that is functional and impresess the IOC in all aspects we should this time produce a bid that is better that what the IOC called our bid in 1997 which was "Ambitious" and in a way impressive for a first time bid, indeed we should be focussing on the soccer world cup but as the olympic games is a one city event cape town could move forward now but i bet you most if not all the people who are involved with the olympic comitee have not yet even read this article or the ioc presidents urge for africa to bid...
perhaps a few have read it....
i say each peson in the US donates $2 to south africas bid hehe
or as we are an african city we should receive financial help and aid from the rest of the world hehe

i was not sure of where to locate the shooting centre but i though using some space in constantia would make sure that people got an entire view of cape town and this also fits in with my plan so that people both experience the cultural/touristy side of cape town at the same time watching sports in those areas e.g.:

watching the archery event and receiving a full tour of robben island
watching the fencing and touring the castle of good hope
attending the shooting event and discovering the vineyards and scenic views of constantia
camps bay beach nothing more can be said
coetzenburg mountain biking and the modern pentathlon centre in stellenbosch ensures that people see this area as its amazing beauty as well
...

lastly its your job to worry what is attached to the castle to furthe support the tent or roof structure, remember the pilasters(whatever those are) are not there to support the tent but to give further support the main support should come from the five beems which hold it up and the two beams in the centre other than that the extra support gives the roof some shape and places minimum pressure on the building itself...

wel you can start sending in your designs for the olympic stadium competition hehe im sure ill have some bias towards your design....

From around the rings .com

"Only one African bid, from Cape Town, has made it to the voting by the IOC, finishing third in the race for 2004 and a possible contender to try again for 2016."

Kenyas not even a real country anyway. (gulp!!! as I am sure I will be puttin my foot in my mouth!) There is no reason CT should not host the olympics sometime soon. But attention should certainly not be taken from the 2010 worl soccer cup. I've thrown in my 2 dollars! ;)

Did you notice we're the only two who post on this thread?



Chaa-du-baa-its-ii-daan. For those who dont speak Hopi, shit for luck.

yeah i did notice its cool though i dont care!!! keep those ideas coming thats why i suggested we chat on some other live means instead of waiting on forums

GO CAPE TOWN 2016 " THE TIME HAS COME" OR "AN AFRICAN DREAM" the second meaning africas dream to host the gamse or for athletes their dream of success in africa hence an african dream hehe

For basketball I thought of something used in ABQ for their basketball stadium, underground, known as the pit. I like most of the suggestions you wrote for slogans but I theink that the only problem with "Feel the Heartbeat of Africa" is that it might implie the Congo or DRC or Serengeti. The true geographical heart of africa. What about a slogan that involves gold? You know, African Gold. Olypmic Gold. Your Gold. (thats really SUPER lame)

Hey .. I have said my bit :( Like I said before, as soon as I hear that we have made the bid to host the Games, I will be all over the thread :)

Don't go private on us .. we all read this (even if we don't reply) .. it is very interesting and you are doing a gr8 job. Also, forget about the numb nuts that are always blasting your 2020 threads and keep on doing what you do best.

Bring it on Boy !

Mo Rush, what's up with the constrcution of the stadium thingi for 2010. Have you heard anything?

Well as usual the sports officials dont really communicate with the public at all regarding things such as the sports facilities planned but i know that now that danny jordaan is in charge perhaps we will know more, although it might be a rush job to build a stadium i think if the funding becomes available then it would be a good idea however a few points should be addressed re the stadium:

1. The location of the stadium is of the utmost importance i dont see the need for a second stadium come an olmypic bid and of course the location of the stadium would need to be chosen carefully as to ensure an olympic park can be integrated around it and frankly we should not waste money on building two stadiums in my honest opinion boost athlone stadium to 60,000 make the field able to also be large enough for an opening ceremony but the again issues of accessibility and saftey will arise but danny jordaan would have to move fast

SEcondly, newlands simple is not large enough for an olympic style opening ceremony which i assume the bid team would like so in all likelihood FNB would be a great option but i still stand by my pointof view that if they expect cape town to host the olympic/commonwealth games then cape town should be hosting opening ceremonies to gain experience not only in wonderful shows but in the planning of the event, accesibility issues and crowd control on a larger scale.

Thirdly, IMO at the moment from what i have seen regarding the soccer world cup prelim designs the architects are truly uninspiring, they need to realise that stadium design is moving into the future fast putting the spectator first, if indeed the comitee goes ahead and decides on a stadium for cape town then 45,000 which is the capacity they suggested is definitely not enough around 70,000 will be what is required for an opening ceremony, unless they use the retractable seating system of the stade de france which allows for 72,000 in athletics mode and about 78,000 in soccer mode perhaps this could be a solution....secondly the stadium would need to be designed in such a way that apart from requiring space for future olympic park needs, it would need to be a simple/ uncomplicated design e..g the athens stadium pre olympics so that it can be upgraded or modernized for the olympics in 2016/2020 which would be needed in terms of capacity and technology/design.....

but im not a big supporter of plonking a new roof on a stadium and receiving the huge criticizm athens received for hailing their stadiuma masterpiece when all it was IMO is a new roof plonked on an old bowl, that does not consitute a masterpiece to me and falls way behind what sydney showed the world, so a simple stadium would be needed that allows for a new roof perhaps but also that would need massive reconstruction to ensure that we dont have a boring stadium come 2016, to be honest i am sick of architects who build uninspiring stadiums manymany ideas as datilguy would tell you are available to construct modern yet cheap stadiums with roofs that are amazing yet are so simple using tensile material or even just a aerodynamic design...

so at the moment many feasibility issues are on the cards and who knows if some officials have broad enough thinking to even think so far ahead,

so to conclude this babble
make athlone the home of soccer and upgrade and invest in the surrounding communities, i look at it everyday from UCT and its amazing and reminds me of the sydney olympic stadium eventhough it is so much smaller, it still stands out and i can only imagine how much more amazing a 65,000 athlone stadium would look like, the space to move the current seating oposite the grandstand is available shift that back and make the space available also use the current parking area space and build a modern structure, however invest in the businesses in the area, use vygieskrall athletics stadium which is 2 mins away as a training venue for teams make the fields around it available for parking and make it work for not only for 2010 but for soccer and the people who really love the game....and leave a lasting legacy that will see continous investment i the area at the end of the day we are left with an oppportunity to revolutionize the athlone area and its image from a cape flats area to a soccer home for cape tonians, post 2010 reduce the capacity to 45,000 like the sydney olympic stadium....


sO that is my suggestion, oh and of course an upgrade to greenpoint stadium would do no harm either.....

For basketball I thought of something used in ABQ for their basketball stadium, underground, known as the pit. I like most of the suggestions you wrote for slogans but I theink that the only problem with "Feel the Heartbeat of Africa" is that it might implie the Congo or DRC or Serengeti. The true geographical heart of africa. What about a slogan that involves gold? You know, African Gold. Olypmic Gold. Your Gold. (thats really SUPER lame)

YEah the undeground proposal seems great but basketball IMO should still be located in a poorer area,like phillipi so that we balance out the venues and make sure we invest where it matters....yes i agree about my slogans but your slogan about gold in not lame at all actually it would be perfect for the games if they were in joburg but we all know that it wont ever happen there before it comes to cape town and i dont think jacques rogge will want it there either high crime high altitude not a pretty place at all
but they could pay for the games in cape town i wont mind that seeing that they boast about an economic powerhouse with a GDP just 1% more than ours

just an extra point as cape town is much smaller and has fewer HQ's and head offices this does suggest much better quality in cape town if ct can achieve a similiar GDP but with much less labour and resources and capetonians are called lazy but with much less people we are being just as productive dont you think??

^^^ I have a sneaky suspicion that the South African Olympic Committee is going to surprise us all with an announcement that JO'BURG will bid for the Olympics .... it is news that I am hearing through the grapevine .....

Is there any guarantee that Cape Town will bid ? Maybe you know something that I don't.

its the news i am hearing through the grapevine as well but its all underhanded deasl right now but remember that a vote has to take place first u cant just choose a city people have to vote and IMO with this vote cape town will win
if somehow joburg wins then im moving to the UK period...

^^^ so cape town wil go into voting with joburg and durban and the commitee will then vote, high altitude and high crime will not help joburg neither will it help south africas bid beauty is a big thing when it comes to olympics and cape town has this however i think that they need to realize that a cape town bid would at the end of the day be the more sparkling one to present to the IOC and to convince 50+ IOC members that cape town should host the games,i think its about time i called sam ramsamy and ebrahim rasool something has to be done...

ok this is extremely weird but i just found out i was born on World Olympic Day!!!! how freaky is that????

its the news i am hearing through the grapevine as well but its all underhanded deasl right now but remember that a vote has to take place first u cant just choose a city people have to vote and IMO with this vote cape town will win
if somehow joburg wins then im moving to the UK period...

Can I join you ? .. maybe we should choose something sunnier ? ;)

yeah perhaps we should but just emailed NOCSA and now going to contact jacques rogge
then sending an email to the cape town mayor and premier to ensure that they know that they better get moving
my work has just begun...

People Emailed:
Western Cape Premier
Minister of Sport in Western Cape
Mayor of Cape Town
Nocsa media and Nocsa general email address
Still to email: IOC, Thabo Mbeki and Minister of Sport in South Africa

Emailed: Thabo Mbeki and all those in his presidency here is to at least one person responding and actually taking note of what i had said!!!!
yet to email minister of sport and the IOC....

ok this is extremely weird but i just found out i was born on World Olympic Day!!!! how freaky is that????

That explains your passion for The Olympics .. it is your destiny.

south african sports ministry has been emailed now just for the IOC to thank them for realizing that cape town should bid again on behalf of africa

It is your destiny! BTW come to NewMexico. 345 days of sunshine a year. Great lakes with beaches (although thats nothing to brag about since youve got Clifton, Camps, Blouberg. Need I say more?) Unparalelled natural beauty, cosmopolitan cities, and 17 ski resorts within 2 hours drive from ABQ!

yeah if u pay ill be there soon....

THE SOFTBALL STADIUM AT TURFHALL

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a simple image outliningpossible space for baseball training fields at newlands
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THIS is a not so good aerial of the softball stadium which is that white thing in the centre as you can see it has space around it for two other fields and a field opposite the road could be used to improve transport or for some other purpose a birdge coudl be built to link the two ..

getting really excited about CT 2016/2020. Where would be the best location for the olympic stadium and the athletes' village in your opinion? Could you illustrate it with a map of the city? I'll be sure to be in CT by the time the olympics are comming, in fact i'm hoping to go there for some time in 2 years time to get some work experience! And the castle of good hope was built by the Dutch, not English, back when the Cape was still Dutch posesion. Too bad the English nicked this beautifull corner of the world from us haha! By the way, what is the most spoken language in CT and the Western Cape province in general, Afrikaans or English? I've read that 50% of the WC population said Afrikaans is their first language, 25% said English is their first language in the last cencus. Afrikaans is a pretty cool language imo, it's more similar to Dutch then some dialects spoken in the Netherlands actually!

getting really excited about CT 2016/2020. Where would be the best location for the olympic stadium and the athletes' village in your opinion? Could you illustrate it with a map of the city? I'll be sure to be in CT by the time the olympics are comming, in fact i'm hoping to go there for some time in 2 years time to get some work experience! And the castle of good hope was built by the Dutch, not English, back when the Cape was still Dutch posesion. Too bad the English nicked this beautifull corner of the world from us haha! By the way, what is the most spoken language in CT and the Western Cape province in general, Afrikaans or English? I've read that 50% of the WC population said Afrikaans is their first language, 25% said English is their first language in the last cencus. Afrikaans is a pretty cool language imo, it's more similar to Dutch then some dialects spoken in the Netherlands actually!

Thanks for getting about a possible olympic games in cape town, i think it is very important to create a buzz around a bid by cape town and international support from the furthest corners of the earth, well you asked for the best location and there are problems currently with a great spot for a possible olympic park, as the mayor wants to use this land for low cost housing and also some tribe owns half the land as well so this could pose major problems, their are some other possible sites like greenpoint which is much smaller and would require massive upgrades in terms of making accessible, however i prefer large olympic parks and not many venues would be able to fit in this area...
you should def come to cape town it is really a city ready for a rollercoaster ride to the top..andi know the dutch built the castle and not the english and im glad they did a good job the castle is actually a wonderful venue for fencing in the olympics if you havent been reading the rest of the forum,

yeah afrikaans speakers are high in the western cape but in the cape town metropole area english is the main language but im not sure about percentages however i do know that afrikaans is also spoken but im certainly not sure about percentages but it all depends where you lives but english i would say is the main language in the ct area afrikaans could be the main language in the western cape but i dont know the thing is everyone or a high perecentage acn speak english as it is a first language at most schools however some prefer to speak afrikaans but you wont have a problem here as people can speak english ..... but as i said im not sure

I am not sure but I was aware that almost everyone under the age of 40 spoke english. I could be wrong but everytime I have been there (to northern SA) EVERYONE spoke english. I met a few older people who spoke affrikaans but the spoke good english too. I did not meet one black person who did not speak english and very few spoke zulu or sotho or xhosa. I dont know about percentages or abou language in the Cape, but Im sure if you spoke english life would be easy.

If anyone has noticed but the Cape town 2015/2020, olympic in africa, and will aids stop cape town from getting olympics features as three top forums in stadium arenas forums at least people are debating and talking about cape town..

^^ I fail to see what AIDS has got to do with the Olympics ... do only DUMB people travel to the Olympics and bonk like rabbits ?

hehe u soo funny gandalf i think the same
the chances of getting aIDS in cape town is the lowest in the country anyway!

Gandalf ive decided u cant leave cape town we will need you to take photos for the bid book so u cant leave sorry

ATHLONE SPORTS CENTRE/ ZONE:

A priority of the Olympic Bid by the City of Cape Town will be to avoid building unneccesary venues in areas that need them the least. This bid aims to improve, renew and refurbish not only exsting facilties but to leave a legacy in the previously disadvantaged areas bringing a wave of transformation and leaving these far better off after the olympic and paralympic games. One of the major projects i would proposed was to create some type of sporting zone in the area of Athlone. This area has long been neglected but in my opinion the athlone soccer stadium gives me hope that more can be done to improve the area and the lives of those within the area, it would certainly not be our aim to build sparkling new venues next to sports fields that local communities try to keep green and infrastructure that is certainly not at a required standard. So i propose the "Athlone Sports Zone" just one of many similar projects which intend to renew previously disadvantaged communities are provide employment, infrastructure that will not only benefit the area during the olympics but infrastructure that is fully sustainable. Although this part of the proposal deals mainly with the actual sports facilties it is felt that as Cape Town is hosting a few World Cup 2010 soccer matches that with Athlone as a traininv venue, significant improvements would need to be be made and planned for, in terms of accessibility, meeting FIFA requirements and so forth. Once these finer details have been investigated and decided upon, the bid team would re-evaluate the area in terms of accessibility, location and so forth and analyse whether olympic standards have been met and to ensure that all the facilities planned for the ASZ are easily accesible and benefit from the improvements surrounding the Athlone Soccer Stadium itself. If these standards are met then full refurbishment would go ahead but if not then the refurbishment as well as lifting the infrastructure in terms of sports venues and accessibility to olympic requirements, would be necessary to carry out.

The Current Proposed Area of the ASV consists of the 20,000 seater for soccer stadium to host football events, a hockey astroturf field, the vygieskraal stadium with olympic sized athletics track with a capacity of about 3-5,000, two large sports fields opposite the vygieskraal stadium and a few other facilities which have yet to be considered.

ATHLONE STADIUM

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HOCKEY FACILITY

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VYGIESKRAAL ATHLETIC FACILITY

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to be cont....

Further olympic interest in Athlone is what it needs. If interests are met it will only benefit the communities around them. I think that accessability around athlone needs to be improved so that would provide even more jobs and will help funnel investment and channel infrastructure into that area. ASZ is a great idea. Right now it is somwhat congested so roads need to be improved. Obviously after the olympics the ASZ would prove to be indespensable to Athlone and would draw more crowds and money to the area if the facilities are well maintained. The olympics would give incentive to create and refurbish the area.

Infrastructural Improvements Proposed:

Athlone Stadium with its capacity of about 20,000 is currently incomplete, and by 2010 the seating opposite the grand pavillions wouldbe covered and improved to almost duplicate the grand pavillion. As Athlone stadium is not completely finished Fifa inspectors have advised the City of Cape Town to complete the stadium should SA win the bid. Athlone is to be used as the official training venue and the secondary match venue in Cape Town. As SA has won the 2010 bid the improvement of the ASZ could be a part of the upgrade of the Athlone Stadium itself. The refurbishment and upgrade of the stadium to meet the Fifa match venue and training venue requirements would ensure world class facilties and a capacity of more than 30,000, only a capacity of 20,000 is required by the IOC for football matches. The bid team believes that 30,000 should be ample as one would not want to build a large venue that would never be filled by spectators. Perhaps 40,000 with temporary seats behind the goal posts which can be removed after soccer world cup.

The hockey facility next door to the vygieskraal athletic facility is used often for training and matches on all levels from school level to club level. We proposed that the area surroinding the facility be cleaned up improving the environment, further analysis and investigations would need to be carried out to assess whether or not the seating capacity could be improved and perhaps national or more important matches could be brought to this venue, although Hartleyvale would remain the premier hockey venue in cape town. The aim to make this venue part of the ASZ and to bring about the necessary refurbishments so that it is used during an olympic games as a training venue, although training venue do exist closer to the hartleyvale complex it is important that if teams do need private training venues that this becomes one of them. Proposed Capacity: 1,500 Cost: not finalized

The Vygieskraal has long stood as an athletic venue for schools but in my opinion can and should be refurbished making it an excellent and world class athletic facility with a capacity of 10,000, by either improving or rebuilding the grand pavillion and adding the neccesary amenities and media facilities. I believe that the design of the grand pavillion should follow the modern, classy yet simple design of the athlone stadium grand pavillion making this style of architecture synonymous with the ASZ and ensuring venues that reflect modern south africa and would still be suitable come 2016/2020. It is intened to replace the current athletics surface and replacing it with a newer and more athlete friendly surface used during the olympic games ensuring a high quality venue. The space around the track would be beautifully transformed and grassy hills and trees would make this not only a world class venue but an aesthetically pleasing venue, the grass hills allow spectators to relax if the grand pavlllion is packed to capacity, this allows the total capacity to be round about 18,000. This venue could also double up as a training venue during the games for soccer as well as athletics.

The two large sports fields opposite the vygieskraal athletic facility could be improved by providing affordable seating for about 2,000 and building a clubhouse or indoor facility so that it could be used for soccer matches at club level and by the community, and possibly with time become an excellent venue for local competitions amongst the youth.

THE ASV will leave a lasting legacy in the previously neglected cape flats area and should transform the image of Athlone with new transport systems, improved roads, improvements to the environment and the sports venue infrastructure planned. But more than this is needed, community involvment will decide the fate of this project, upliftment and outreach projects will become compulsory to ensure that all benefit and a social awareness is created of how sports can keep children from violence and danger and how sports can unity us all...

The original Athlone Soccer Stadium was built in 1968 and served as home for local soccer clubs and school athletics. Cape Town however required a new facility that could host PSL and international matches. In 1999 the City of Cape Town appointed a consultant team for this R67million project, which was completed in only 12 months.

At first an overall Master Plan was prepared for a stadium that would ultimately seat 30 000. Secondly priority items were identified, which informed the phasing of the development. During Phase 1 the West Stand was enlarged from 3 000 to 7 000 eats, with 16 private suites, VIP and player facilities. The remaining budget was used for the construction of a portion of the East Stand
(4 000 seats). Future phases will include a North and South Stand of 6 500 seats each and increasing the East Stand to 10 000 seats.

After extensive research, a design concept of a single steel arch, spanning the length of the West Stand, supporting a light metal roof, was adopted. The bulk of the vertical load is taken directly into the ground through the arch support buttresses. A repeat of this roof system is envisaged for the completion of the East Stand.

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Is there a map of the athlone area?

i was looking for one and will then try to indicate the area/zone

I like that steel truss/arch thing. How much has already been done to Athlone? They've obviously already revamped much of the stadium right?

yes athlone stadium has received a masive upgrade but would need further upgrade to increase it capacity to 30,000

ASV MAP: Note the two areas marked in green are the sports fields and venues to form part of this zone, this does not include the green area towards the top of the map

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WHAT THE IOC SAID OF CAIRO when CAIRO BID FOR 2008 OLYMPIC GAMES:
what do you people think??? why did CT make an olympic shortlist and not Cairo??

CAIRO
The Egyptian Government and the Government of the City of Cairo have guaranteed to
cover all necessary expenditure for Games’ facilities, to undertake and finance all required
infrastructure developments and to cover any deficit.
The Government guarantees to provide services at no cost to OCOG. The Minister of
Youth guarantees to make available all sports and non-competition venues to OCOG.
Public opinion : there is no mention of an opinion poll. The Applicant City declares that the
majority of the public supports the hosting of the Games. All 14 political parties express
their support to hosting the Olympic Games.

CAIRO
Cairo, the fast growing capital of Egypt (population 12 - 16 million) is experiencing
significant transportation problems due to the pressures of traffic growth combined with an
overall insufficiently developed main transport infrastructure. Traffic conditions are difficult
and most public transport systems lack reliability.
CAIRO Minimum Maximum
Current metropolitan transportation performance 1 4
A third, very long east-west subway line, a full metropolitan ring motorway, as well as
many other road projects are planned to help relieve current transport problems and
bottlenecks. The considerable amount of planned new transport infrastructure does not
seem feasible in the short time span to 2008.
If Cairo were able to execute all planned improvements by the year 2008, such
improvements would not necessarily have a significant impact in relation to the proposed
Games concept, other than possibly to alleviate some traffic congestion around Games
venues.
CAIRO Feasibility Minimum Maximum
Future transport infrastructure related to
Olympic Games

CAIRO
The majority of sports facilities, including the Olympic Stadium, appear to be located in one
site 18 km from the Olympic Village. Sailing will take place in Alexandria (260 km), rowing
and canoe-kayak at Ismalya (150 km) and shooting (45 km) from Cairo.
The feasibility of the sports concept seems to be a challenge as many of the sports are
proposed at the same venues and too many sports are clustered at one site. Some
facilities were built for the 1991 All Africa Games and may require major work to meet
Olympic requirements.
Based on the information provided by the Applicant City, the Working Group noted an
overall lack of clarity which is reflected in the span of grades.
The Olympic Village appears well situated for the majority of sports.

CAIRO
The Olympic Village is well located in regard to athlete access to the venues.
Two sub-villages would be required, though are not mentioned in the application.
The construction of the Village is a Government and private sector partnership.
The overall concept of the Village is considered satisfactory, but lacking
in detail – particularly regarding the post-Olympic use of the Village.

CAIRO
Cairo faces enormous environmental challenges and, while the Olympic Games could
offer excellent opportunities to address these, limited attention is given to the environment
in the application. The location of Olympic facilities will be in an area of low environmental
impact. However, some of the venues need to be constructed. Improved public
transportation and less polluting fuel is an envisaged legacy of the Games. The climatic
conditions at the proposed time of the Games can be uncomfortably hot. Therefore Cairo
proposes holding the Games the last two weeks of September and into October.

CAIRO
The total number of proposed rooms is insufficient, even though the first group hotel room
capacity is appropriate. The lack of second group rooms could be partially offset by a
planned media village with 8,000 beds (6,500 rooms have therefore been added by the
Working Group)

CAIRO
The proposed Olympic Games structure is the most concentrated of all ten applications
with a single, very large cluster containing 24 sports, the Olympic Stadium and the
MPC/IBC, i.e. approximately 4/5 of all Olympic activities.
The Olympic and media villages are grouped approximately 18 km away, with no current
adequate direct transport connection to the main sports cluster. Access would be partly
provided by a new, planned east-west subway line as well as by a new urban arterial road.
The airport is medium sized and is proposed to be linked to the planned east-west subway
line. Although mentioned in the application, the airport extension programme is not clearly
presented.


CAIRO
Applicant City document : States that the Ministry of the Interior will be highest security
authority without providing any further details. Little information is provided.

CAIRO
The city has experience in multi-sport events (1991 All African Games), but limited
experience in organising World Championships in specific sports.

CAIRO
General revenue estimates far exceed current revenues and are not in line with any
forecasts. Ticket revenue, at more than double Sydney figures, would not be achievable,
nor are local marketing programme revenues, when taking into account local economic
conditions. The level of Government support should also be reviewed, bearing in mind that
the application specifically states “No additional taxes will be imposed on the citizens to
finance the Games”.

The original Athlone Soccer Stadium was built in 1968 and served as home for local soccer clubs and school athletics. Cape Town however required a new facility that could host PSL and international matches. In 1999 the City of Cape Town appointed a consultant team for this R67million project, which was completed in only 12 months.

At first an overall Master Plan was prepared for a stadium that would ultimately seat 30 000. Secondly priority items were identified, which informed the phasing of the development. During Phase 1 the West Stand was enlarged from 3 000 to 7 000 eats, with 16 private suites, VIP and player facilities. The remaining budget was used for the construction of a portion of the East Stand
(4 000 seats). Future phases will include a North and South Stand of 6 500 seats each and increasing the East Stand to 10 000 seats.

After extensive research, a design concept of a single steel arch, spanning the length of the West Stand, supporting a light metal roof, was adopted. The bulk of the vertical load is taken directly into the ground through the arch support buttresses. A repeat of this roof system is envisaged for the completion of the East Stand.

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Steel Arch is very nice, when is athlone's upgrade gonna be done and are they gonna stick to the same steel concept?

Steel Arch is very nice, when is athlone's upgrade gonna be done and are they gonna stick to the same steel concept?

i am not sure but fifa suggested that the stadium be complete before 2010 if it is to be used as either a training or match venue.. so probably in 2008??
yes the same concept will be used read closer the last line of the post u quoted says so..

CAPE TOWN OLYMPIC VENUES SORTED IN SECTORS


OLYMPIC "COAST AND CITY ZONE"

Badminton Olympic Badminton at Greenpoint Indoor Pavillion 1 6,000
Handball Olympic Handball Centre at Greenpoint Indoor Pavillion 2 8,000
Volleyball Indoor Olympic Volleyball Greenpoint Indoor Pavillion 3 10,000
Fencing Olympic Fencing Centre, Castle of Good Hope (Indoor) 6,000
Preliminaries Olympic Football Stadium in Greenpoint 30,000
Wrestling Olympic Weightlifting and Wrestling at Cape Town International Convention Centre 5,000 for each sport
Archery Olympic Archery Centre at Robben Island 5,000
Triathlon Granger Bay, Triathlon Course no fixed capacity
Yachting/Sailing Olympic Sailing Centre 5,000
Beach Olympic Beach Volleyball at Camps Bay 12,000
Tennis Olympic Tennis Centre at Greenpoint Common 21,000
Centre Court (10,000) Court No. One (5,500) Court No. Two (1,500) Other (200)
Table Tennis Olympic Table Tennis at Good Hope Centre 6,000

OLYMPIC PARK AND VILLAGE


Athletics Track and Field Olympic Stadium, Olympic Park Wingfield 90,000
Marathon Olympic Marathon Course 10,000
Walk Olympic Stadium, Olympic Park (race walk/marathon finish) 90,000
Olympic Park Baseball Stadium, Wingfield 10,000
Road Road Cycling Course 10,000
BMX Olympic BMX Centre, Olympic Park 6,000 or at Kraaifontein
Gymnastics Artistic, Trampoline, Rythmic Cape Town Superbowl, Cape Town Olympic Park, 20,000
Basketbal Finals Cape Town Superbowl, Cape Town Olympic Park, Wingfield 20,000
Football Finals Olympic Football Stadium in Newlands 50,000
Aquatics Swimming Olympic Aquatic Centre, Cape Town Olympic Park 16,500
Synchronized Swimming Olympic Aquatic Centre, Cape Town Olympic Park 16,500
Water Polo (Finals) Olympic Aquatic Centre, Cape Town Olympic Park 16,500
Diving (Finals) Olympic Aquatic Centre, Cape Town Olympic Park 16,500

OLYMPIC INNER RING

Equestrian Jumping, Dressage, Eventing Olympic Equestrian Centre, Kenilworth Racecourse Equestrian Centre 30,000
Preliminaries Olympic Football Stadium in Athlone 40,000
Hockey Olympic Hockey Centre, Hartleyvale 15,000 + 5,100
Judo Olympic Judo and Taekwondo Centre, Belhar Sports Centre 8,000
Cycling Track Belville Olympic Velodrome 6,000
Baseball Olympic Baseball Centre, Sahara Park Newlands 25,000
Water Polo (Prelims- semis) Olympic Water Polo Centre at Newlands Pool 5,000
Diving (Prleims) Olympic Water Polo Centre at Newlands Pool 5,000
Softball Olympic Softball Centre at Turfhall 8,000
Taekwondo Olympic Judo and Taekwondo Centre, Belhar Sports Centre 8,000

OLYMPIC OUTER RING (including some of the previously disadvantaged communities that will benefit from the games)

Rowing Olympic Regatta Centre, Zeekoevlei 20,000
Olympic Basketball Prelims Indoor Centre, Phillipi East 10,000
Boxing Olympic Boxing at Mew Way Community Centre 10,000
Canoe/Kayak Flatwater Olympic Regatta Centre, Zeekoevlei 20,000
Slalom Olympic Regatta Centre, Zeekoevlei 10,000
Shooting Olympic Shooting Centre at Constantia 5,000

OUTSIDE CAPE TOWN METROPOLE

Mountain Biking Olympic Mountain Biking Course, Coetzenburg 5,000
Preliminaries Olympic Football Stadium, Kings Park Durban 60,000
Preliminaries Olympic Football Stadium, Soccer City Johannesburg 90,000
Preliminaries Olympic Football Stadium in Port Elizabeth 60,000
Preliminaries Olympic Football Stadium in Greenpoint 30,000
Modern Pentathlon Archery (3000), Athletics (start 3000 finish 15,000)
Swimming and Fencing 4,000, Equestrian 30,000 Stellenbosch Danie Craven Stadium and Coetzenburg Stadium, Stellenbosch Indoor Hall and Swimming Pool

How far out from the bowl is wingfield? I mean, how close is it to the "innerring" and "outer ring"?

wingfield would act as the centre of all the rings
the inner ring consists of venues within a radius of 10km of the olympic park and village where as the outer ring consists of venues that are within 20km of the olympic park and village.

CAPE TOWN 2016
by Mo Rush

Cape Town's bid for the 2016 Olympic games and Paralympic games will draw on all that Cape Town has to offer, by setting the games at the very heart, of this, one of the most beautiful cities in the world. Making use of some of Cape Town’s most loved historical landmarks and existing world class sports facilities this will be amongst the most memorable and most magical games ever seen.

Surely there can be no better setting for the baseball competition finals than the 25,000 capacity Sahara park cricket stadium, the home to the cricket world cup opening ceremony and opening game, with one of the most spectacular backdrops ever seen and one of the greatest cricketing venues in the world. The football tournament held in some of the best world class stadia used for the 2010 soccer world cup and will climax in finals at the 50,000 seat Newlands rugby stadium 12km from the Olympic Park and the new 90,000 capacity Olympic stadium situated at the Olympic Park. Robben Island, the world heritage site on which Nelson Mandela was imprisoned will become the venue for the archery competition providing a majestic view of Cape Town’s most well known symbol, Table Mountain.

Ensuring the games have a distinct character, the games will also take advantage of some of Cape Town’s most loved landmarks. The Castle of Good Hope; this beautiful setting will provide a unique and striking home for the fencing competition. Cape Town’s previously disadvantaged areas will receive maximum benefit from the games, softball will be held at the turfhall softball stadium in lansdowne. The Greenpoint Common as well as hosting the triathlon events, the new futuristic tennis centre (including a 12,000 seat centre court, an indoor arena) and football matches at the newly upgraded 25,000 greenpoint stadium, will be one of the many locations to bring the city alive with nightly concerts and celebrations. The Olympic spirit will touch all of Cape Town transforming its most beautiful areas into Olympic sites. The twelve apostles will provide a stunning and breathtaking backdrop to the beach volleyball event at camps bay beach.

But this games isn’t just about using what Cape Town already has to offer, it’s also about creating a legacy for the future, by the most extensive transformation Cape Town has seen for generations. The new purpose built Olympic park is just 9 km from central Cape Town, every aspect of the design and layout has been planned to meet the future needs of Olympic and Paralympic athletes, NOC’s, international federations and the IOC. The centre piece will be a 90,000 seat state of the art Olympic stadium which will sit alongside a 16,000 seat aquatic centre with retractable roof. The new 20,000 seat Olympic Superbowl will provide a spacious and world class indoor arena for basketball and artistic gymnastics. Two other indoor arenas will provide a home for handball, rhythmic gymnastics, volleyball and badminton. The park will also house the BMX track and 10,000 seat baseball stadium.

The Olympic village will provide secure, spacious and comfortable accommodation for all athletes and team delegations; it sits within the Olympic park besides the Olympic River and across a bridge from the Olympic Nations Square. With other existing venues such as the Good hope centre and Cape Town International Convention Centre to be used for table tennis, wrestling and weightlifting within the “coast and city zone”,this ensures that 80% of athletes will complete less than 20 minutes from the Olympic village, making this, of the most compact games ever. Central Cape Town is just 9 minutes away by train via a new high speed shuttle service. Five other rail and underground lines will form the basis of a comprehensive public transport system capable of moving 180,000 people an hour, quickly, efficiently and reliably.

And when the games are over Cape Town will have greatly needed sports facilities enabling it to host future African and World championships. The Olympic park will house a new world class institute of sports and the area will be transformed with the development of new parklands, homes and businesses, creating a sustainable community with sport at its heart. The 2016 Olympic Games and Paralympic Games will transform Cape Town and Cape Town will bring to the games the Capetonian creativity,the Western Cape's beauty and the South African passion for sport.

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Friday 4 February 2005

On Friday night i was entertained to some top tennis action at the Cape Town International Convention Centre that looked amazing as always providing a premium spectator experience for all who attended. Three of the four main exhibition halls were used and converted into a 3,500 temporary seater tennis stadium with a rubberised tennis surface in blue and purple, which was as dramatic as a serve from the tall croat Goran Invanisevic. Although i was not impressed by the lack of olympic standard security and the ancient ticketing system at the entrace to the arena, the high roof and excellent lighting along with a bubbly crowd gave me further inspiration to bring the Olympic Games to Cape Town.

Three action packed matches entertained the crowd in more ways than one, be it the antics of former great mansour bahrami, the eccentricity and energy of pat cash or the blits vinning serve of goran invanisevic. Although the sound quality was appalling the quality of tennis and reaction of the crowd to the tennis proved a real winner on the night. The VIP seats saw rugby legends Morne Du Plessis present, the ever popular Micahel Mol along with wife and two children, cape comedian kurt schoonraad, and many others who formed part of cape town tennis "click".Much could be said about the sky high food and beverage prices but the natural light through the convention centre itself and the friendly atmosphere made up for that.

The Exhibition Halls provides a 10,000m squared area for future olympic events and is particularly well suited to hosting weightlifting and wrestling which require an intelligent seating system but will allow for both events to run simultaneously using halls one and two for weightlifting and halls 3 and 4 for wrestling. The Venue would also be suitable to host badminton, fencing, table tennis, judo, taekwondo and an array of indoor sports. Judging from the seating setup and the actual space of halls 2-4, in my opinion the entire area could become one main arena with seating for 10,000 or more. The Ballroom areas which could be resurfaced would provide more than ample space as training areas and with the stunning view from those rooms,would surely impress athletes and the IOC.

To conclude, my experience at this event was an excellent one providing me with a good idea of the few weaknesses of the venue, the many strengths and its role as a future olympic venue and possible home to the IOC session should cape town host the games. In future I hope to visit other venues, having a very good idea of newlands cricket ground and its use for baseball i chose to revisit the stadium on another occassion and watch the one day international from home. Go PROTEAS!!!

I also have a very good idea of the newlands rugby stadium, so i plan to visit Athlone Stadium, the Hartleyvale Hocket Stadium and the Bellville Velodrome which could not onl be used for track cycling events but as a indoor arena for other indoor sports during an Olympic Games.

Till next time...

Kenyan Minister Says Olympics Bid Coming
Africa for 2016?
Posted: Thursday, January 13, 2005
Kip Keino is president of the Kenya NOC. (ATR Photo)
(ATR) Two days after IOC President Jacques Rogge opened a visit to Kenya with the comment that Africa should hold the Olympics as soon as possible, Kenya’s sports minister says his country wants to bid for 2016.

"We are serious in hosting the 2016 games,” said sports minister Ochilo Ayacko at the dedication of the new headquarters for the Kenya Olympic Committee.

Reports from Nairobi indicate that Rogge was surprised with the declaration, which he said “will hit the headlines around the world.”

Rogge told his hosts that much would need to be done to prepare Kenya’s infrastructure for an Olympics.

Kenya is a nation of 32 million. The population of capital city Nairobi numbers about 2.2 million.

As a gesture to boost sports programs in the country, Rogge says Kenya’s share of money from Olympic TV rights and sponsorships will rise 20% to $1.8 million for the next four years.

Only one African bid, from Cape Town, has made it to the voting by the IOC, finishing third in the race for 2004 and a possible contender to try again for 2016.

The 2016 Olympic host city will be decided in 2009, the final year of Rogge’s eight-year term.

All the Olympic News of the week in the January 14 issue of Around the Rings, for subscribers only.

Now online at Around The Rings the Around the Rings Golden 25 for 2005, the ninth annual ranking of the most influential personalities in the year ahead for the Olympics.

(Copyright 2005, all rights reserved. The information in this report may not be published, excerpted, or otherwise distributed in print or broadcast without the express prior consent of Around the Rings.)

Loftus to get major new look
February 10, 2005

By Brenden Nel

Great things are in store for Loftus. The Loftus precinct is set to undergo a multi-million rand overhaul and includes plans for underground parking, a state-of-the-art gymnasium, shops within the stadium grounds and an open air auditorium.

The major overhaul flows from the five-year sponsorship deal the Blue Bulls signed with cellular telephone giant Vodacom yesterday.

The exact size of the sponsorship has not been disclosed but is worth more than R90-million.

The sponsors have also committed themselves to assisting the Blue Bulls with a fast track development programme, which will target black players from school level up

It's a sponsorship deal that will change the face of South African rugby
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On completion, Securicor Loftus is set to be the envy of other unions for its facilities and will provide the city with a world class sporting and entertainment venue in time for the 2010 Soccer World Cup.

"It's a sponsorship deal that will change the face of South African rugby," said Blue Bulls chief executive Stephan Pretorius.

He said two areas of the stadium precinct would be developed - "one at the northern end which has been in planning for a while and then on the B field".

"The plan is for a retail section to include shops, a gym - perhaps also open to the public - and coffee shops. There will also be an open air auditorium which will be able to host smaller concerts, with 5 000 to 10 000 spectators."

A conference centre is also in the pipeline.

Pretorius said the retail section would be established on a section of the stadium's B-field and include a new gymnasium and a Vodacom retail store.

The site for the retail section is currently occupied by wooden lapas.
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The deal, which covers all aspects of the Blue Bulls as well as the Super 12 Bulls franchise, is the first of its kind in that it also facilitates the major overhaul of the Loftus precinct.

The fast track development programme will be conducted in conjunction with the University of Pretoria's High Performance Centre and schools in the area.

Various Bulletjie rugby programmes will also be initiated to ensure that up-and-coming rugby stars have all the training and development opportunities to hone their skills.

The sponsorship package includes branding on all apparel, extensive branding in the stadium and on-field entertainment rights.

For Vodacom, the relationship with the Bulls is simple.

"We want to be associated with success," Vodacom's group executive: corporate affairs Mthobi Tyamzashe said after the launch.

"We have seen the way the Bulls conduct themselves and how they have handled issues and we looked at a long-term relationship with them.

"There's something electric about them, some bit of magic about this team."

Tyamzashe added that this was another step in Vodacom's strategy to become a leading player in the rugby market, and therefore the Currie Cup champs were ideal partners.

"As a company we want to dominate in the rugby market. We are moving to where we want to be and we want to be a dominant player. At the end of the day our partnership with the Bulls makes good business sense and removes any doubt that Vodacom is a rugby giant at the moment."

The cellular phone company is also the title sponsor of the Super 12 in South Africa as well as being the broadcast sponsor of the Southern Hemisphere tournament.

It also sponsors the Tri-Nations and incoming international tours and is the title sponsor of the Free State Cheetahs.

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Los Angeles have bidding for 2016 Olympic in Los Angeles, after 1932 and 1984. I think, LA will win the hosting. Houston was failed!!!!

we'll see about that as long as LA supports CApe town for the first african city to host the O games then im fine,

we'll see about that as long as LA supports CApe town for the first african city to host the O games then im fine,

lol. Just letting Cape Town for bidding the hosting the first Olympic in Africa, LA Olympic will be hosting in 2032.

San Diego-Tijuana?

Please.

San Diego-Tijuana?

Please.

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Africa supports SA Cup bid
12/02/2005 15:51 - (SA)

Johannesburg - South Africa's 2011 Rugby World Cup Bidco secured another major backer when the Confederation of African Rugby (CAR) on Saturday announced its full support for South Africa's second Rugby World Cup tournament.

Abdelaziz Bougja, President of CAR, welcomed the bid effort as not just South Africa's tournament, but one that the whole of Africa should be proud of.

"We are not behind South Africa, but rather next to them," said Bougja on Saturday. "In the history of my involvement with CAR I have not seen anything as professional as the presentation they gave us today. I'm very impressed." Bougja is a former centre for the Moroccan national team.

CAR met with SA Rugby President Brian van Rooyen and World Cup 2011 bid organiser Francois Pienaar in Johannesburg on Saturday. The meeting was a low-key affair, and the support did not come as surprise.

Pienaar confirmed that the Confederation had unanimously supported the bid and wanted to become more active in the bid process if possible.

"In return we will support CAR with exposure and development leading up to the tournament," said Pienaar, who captained the Springboks when the country last hosted and won the World Cup in 1995.

One of the more interesting issues to come out of the presentation, was the discussion of the formation of a nine African country singular team, much like the Pacific Islanders.

This should start coming about in the next four years, and the name of the team will probably be the Warriors.

Eat, drink and sleep rugby

Pienaar also floated the idea of a Pan-African rugby tournament taking place in the near future. "This will help nurture the talent on the continent. The development programme could see talented players from throughout Africa coming to SA for three months to eat, drink and sleep rugby."

Bidco chairman Mthobi Tyamzashe was upbeat following the meeting. "Now that we have acquired the important backing of CAR we can actively start lobbying for support from other influential sources."

Tyamzashe confirmed that the Bidco had already secured the thumbs up from the South African government as well as the newly formed South African Sports Confederation and Olympic Committee in the past few weeks.

"The support of Africa was an essential part of our strategy and now we have seven months to get everything else in place.

The announcement of the host for the 2011 Rugby World Cup is expected in November this year. New Zealand and Japan have been confirmed by the IRB as the other contenders for the event.

you think we should get it the year after the soccer world cup? seems greedy and would benefit us more if it was maybe in 2015... dunno maybe thats just me

ur not the only one i think its going to be chaos and it will make the rugby worldcup kak as well as put pressure on the country so i hope japan get it .sa for worldcup rugby 2015

ur not the only one i think its going to be chaos and it will make the rugby worldcup kak as well as put pressure on the country so i hope japan get it .sa for worldcup rugby 2015

we really dont need 2011 rugby world cup eventhough to be honest we would put on the best show with our new stadiums and rugby culture, japan also has great stadiums and hosted the soccer world cup but i dont think they are ready either, new zealand will need some massive stadium improvements, its one of those cases where one has to decided between the best technical host versus what will do more for rugby and the future of rugby....
IMO if south africa lost i would not be sad, i still however if i was asked to vote would vote south africa as we would simply put on the best world cup of the three ...btw it wont be chaos soccer world cup will be staged about one year before the rugby world cup finals,south africa would do an excellent job and that is not what is being argued, i think that as south africa supported france for 2007 that it might get the same support and japan would really need to show that rugby is big enough and that there national team is competitive enough to host the games, IMO rather Japan 2015 and new zealand 2011 if new zealand is willing to spend some money on better stadiums, but all in all south africa rates tops , japans modern stadia and their money will not be enough to impress me,although they have been called favourites

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SA doesnt need 2011, but SA could def. put on the best. But its like shoving too much stuff in too small a sack. I think NZ should host 2011, they need some work but they could do it.

[REVISED]

Cape Town's bid for the 2016 Olympic games and Paralympic games will draw on all that Cape Town has to offer, by setting the games at the very heart, of this, one of the most beautiful cities in the world. Making use of some of Cape Town’s most loved historical landmarks and existing world class sports facilities this will be amongst the most memorable and most magical games ever seen.

Surely there can be no better setting for the baseball finals than the 25,000 capacity Sahara park cricket stadium at Newlands, the host to the cricket world cup opening ceremony, with one of the most spectacular backdrops. The football tournament held in some of the best world class stadia across South Africa used for the 2010 soccer world cup will climax in finals at the 50,000 seat Newlands rugby stadium 12km from the Olympic Park and the new 90,000 capacity Olympic stadium situated at the Olympic Park. Robben Island, the world heritage site on which Nelson Mandela was imprisoned will become the venue for archery, providing a majestic view of Cape Town’s most well known symbol, Table Mountain.

Ensuring the games have a distinct character, the games will also take advantage of some of Cape Town’s most loved landmarks. The Castle of Good Hope; this beautiful setting will provide a unique and striking home for the fencing competition. Cape Town’s previously disadvantaged areas will receive maximum benefit from the games, softball will be held at the turfhall softball stadium and world class indoor sports centres at Mew Way, Phillpi East and Belhar will stage, the Boxing Competition, Basketball Prelims and Judo and Taekwondo Events, ensuring that all of Cape Town experiences the joy, excitement and drama of the Olympic and Paralympic Games. The Greenpoint Common Area as well as hosting the triathlon events, the new futuristic tennis centre (including a 12,000 seat centre court) an indoor arena and football matches at the newly upgraded 25,000 greenpoint stadium, will be one of the many locations to bring the city alive with nightly concerts and celebrations. The Olympic spirit will touch all of Cape Town transforming its most beautiful areas into Olympic sites. The twelve apostles will provide a stunning and breathtaking backdrop to the beach volleyball event at camps bay beach.

But this games isn’t just about using what Cape Town already has to offer, it’s also about creating a legacy for the future, by the most extensive transformation Cape Town has seen for generations. The new purpose built Olympic park is just 11 km from central Cape Town, every aspect of the design and layout has been planned to meet the future needs of Olympic and Paralympic athletes, NOC’s, international federations and the IOC. The centre piece will be a 90,000 seat state of the art Olympic stadium which will sit alongside a 16,000 seat aquatic centre with retractable roof. The new 20,000 seat Olympic Superbowl will provide a spacious and world class indoor arena for basketball and artistic gymnastics. Two other indoor arenas will provide a home for handball, rhythmic gymnastics, volleyball and badminton. The park will also house the BMX track and a 10,000 seat baseball stadium.

The Olympic Park will form part of the “Olympic Corridor” a horizontal stretch along the N1 linking the Olympic Park to the “City and Coastal Zone” and ensuring a compact, streamlined and efficient venue and transport plan. The Inner Olympic Ring consists of venues within a 10km radius of the Olympic Village, including the Hartleyvale Hockey Venue, the 6,000 seater Bellville Velodrome and the Athlone Sports Complex which includes the 30,000 seater Athlone Stadium. The Olympic Outer Ring comprises of venues that are within a 20km radius of the Olympic Village including many of the previously disadvantaged areas and only Sailing and Modern Pentathlon within the Western Cape will be more than 35km from the Olympic Village, but they are strategically placed to ensure that spectators enjoy the rich floral beauty that the Western Cape has to offer and also ensuring that these regions benefit from world class sports facilities.

The Olympic village will provide secure, spacious and comfortable accommodation for all athletes and team delegations; it sits within the Olympic park besides the Olympic River and across a bridge from the Olympic Nations Square. Other existing venues such as the Good hope centre and the excellent Cape Town International Convention Centre will be used for table tennis, wrestling and weightlifting this ensures that over 80% of athletes will complete within 20km of the Olympic village, making this, of the most compact games ever. Central Cape Town is just 9 minutes away by train via a new high speed shuttle service. Five other rail and underground lines will form the basis of a comprehensive public transport system capable of moving 180,000 people an hour, quickly, efficiently and reliably.

And when the games are over Cape Town will have greatly needed sports facilities enabling it to host future African and World championships. The Olympic park will house a new world class institute of sports and the area will be transformed with the development of new parklands, homes and businesses, creating a sustainable community with sport at its heart. The 2016 Olympic Games and Paralympic Games will transform Cape Town and Cape Town will bring to the games the Capetonian flavour and creativity, the Western Cape's beauty and the South African passion for sport.

On behalf of COGOC (Cape Town Olmypic Games Organising Committee) we would like to wish everyone a HAPPY VALENTINES DAY, we hope that your day was filled with love and joy.

CAPE TOWN 2016 "FOR THE LOVE OF OUR NATION, FOR THE LOVE OF THE GAMES"

Whats the freeway system like in CT?
I mean i know the general layout but how good are they and does CT need more?

If a new stadium is to be built specifically for the soccer world cup as SAFA proposes, what about this design, simple yet elegant and classy

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The new Cape Town Soccer World Cup stadium has a unique design, which is very different from those of other international stadiums. This building will become a showplace of Cape Town - another example of harmonious architectural ensemble .

This stadium has an elegant appearance with clear straight lines that do not have the roof support structures coming out of the building contour and resting on the pedestrian area. The stadium lighting will produce a stunning effect at night due to the use of glass and other advanced roofing materials.

The roof is a key element of any stadium. In the selected project the roof has the same angle as the site surface that enables the stadium to harmonically fit into any landscape. The roof angle going from north to south will let more natural light to the playing surface that would have a positive impact on pitch condition.

The requirements set for the competition site are clearly stated and define high comfort standards for all visitors including players, official visitors, VIP-guests, spectators and service personnel. In particular, the new stadium will provide seats and corresponding infrastructure for people with disabilities, which will meet the most severe safety standards and will have improved observation characteristics and special entrances and exits. It is also planned to build a large number of toilets for men and women including disabled people, as well as many fast food stands.

Safety will be given a priority on the new stadium, that is why it will be designed in accordance with the 'Guide to Safety at Sports Grounds' published by the British Government after a series of tragic events. Security Service and stewards will ensure the spectators' safety during their movement within the stadium and when using the stadium facilities.

It is planned that the stadium will function as a recreation centre for surrounding areas. In particular, the shopping centre will be selling soccer sports kits, branded clothing, souvenirs and other goods. It will also sell clothing and sports accessories from other famous companies.

The stadium will have a cafe, which will be opened for visitors every day. The visitors will have an opportunity to watch running commentaries from matches and interviews with the players. A wide selection of beverages and dishes will be served. And on the match days you will have to reserve a table!

The stadium will also have a Club Museum presenting the Club history(of the particular club) and the most significant trophies. Interactive screens and sports exercisers providing children and teenagers with the opportunity to test their knowledge and strength will be located in the same area. This part of the stadium will be the attraction for the entire family.

On the days when no matches are played the halls and restaurants will be an ideal place for corporate, public and community events and that will confirm the stadium's leading role in Cape Town business and cultural life.

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Note: Capacity with athletics track 70,000
without athletics track 80,000

post world cup capacity: 65,000
olympic games capacity (including a capacity upgrade) : 85,000
post olympic capacity: 65,000

The seating systems is similar to the STade de france seating system, whereby the athletics track lies below the front row of seats, seats are lowered and moved below the next row of seats, but the seats above the track rest on air cushions ensuring no damage to the track at all....this would be very viable for cape town who need both a soccer and athletics venue,

i think this idea is great i better phone or email someone i dont think the soccer officials even know this sorta things exist and not at a major cost.

A new stadium won't be built for the 2010 World Cup - Athlone is going to be upgraded.

But I though that CT is also gonna build a Hi-Tech stadium. But are they gonna change the design even if the upgrade 'cos the current Athlone stadium is flippin' ugly.

I think that CT deserve a huge sports complex whereby Rugby, Soccer, Cricket and other sports can be hosted. If they can do that, then it will open their way to hosting the Olympic games.

whats the point of building another staduim if it becomes a white elephant rather upgrade the athlone staduim coz the 2010 bid team wants to cut down from 14 to 10 staduims and only wants to build 4 new staduims

whats the point of building another staduim if it becomes a white elephant rather upgrade the athlone staduim coz the 2010 bid team wants to cut down from 14 to 10 staduims and only wants to build 4 new staduims

Gandalf it has not been finalised whether or not athlone stadium will be upgraded or whether a new stadium will be used as the "row" continues read the sunday times a weel ago as the article is featured there, otherwise perhaps you have heard news that i havent as varisity has started and im less informed...Safa is for a new stadium and the City Council i think is for athlone stadium, i think SAFA might win or maybe im wrong? IMO if they are going to upgrade Athlone it would need to be a HUGE investment literally the cost of building a new stadium altogether, the current media, security,crowd control features etc. are way below par and are no way near what is required and not of the standard that SA should use during the soccer world cup...so it will cost perhaps a few hundred millions which seems high, but they will literally need to re pave the roads leading to the stadium, improve its accessibility and uplift the area in general, including surrounding amenities and recreation and entertainment areas, e.g. these little corner shops near the stadium will not be able to cope with the thousands of europeans!!

it will become more of an ATHLONE AREA upgrade as proposed in my ASZ (athlone sports zone) idea rather than just a stadium upgrade, which i think is more feasible in this case however SAFA WP will here nothing of it, i think a superb legacy will be left behind if perhaps newlands is minimally upgraded in terms of lighting, screens etc. and if athlone receives a massive renewal, the two work hand in hand reflecting south africas good infrastructure and what we already have i.e. newlands (also that it is in a fairly upmarket area) and then we have athlone a reflection of where we are heading as a city and country. i think that together an excellent message can be sent to the world..

Stadiums that will be used IMO, i think perhaps a stdium per province/major city area such as jobuhrg and pretoria is what is needed

1.Ellis Park - joburg
2.Soccer City -joburg main venue
3.Loftus -pretoria/upgrade apart from 2010 planned
4.Newlands (unless only athlone or the new stadium will be used) - cape town i think 2 stadiums should be used
5. Free State Stadium
6. Port Elizabeth - eastern cape
7. Absa Stadium - Durban
8. Royal Bafokeng/Orkney - as this is in the North West
9. A polokwane stadium - peter mokaba stadium
10. nelspruit (mbombela stadium)
11. Kimberley Stadium perhaps?? as this is in the northern cape

perhaps orkney will be scrapped as this area has the royal bafokeng stadium in place already.also kimberley as there might not be a need, also nelspruit ??

also less stadiums does mean less costs but also means heightened security, facilities etc at other facilities and perhaps more money into a better design for some stadiums, perhaps an extra 100 million here to add a roof etc. as the SWC will be in WINTER!! and it rains in cape town

I heard about The Athlone upgrade approx. 4 days ago. Another "arch" will mirror the current one with stands being built on either end. Apparently SAFA is happy with the idea and money has been set aside for the stadium upgrade .. don't expect anything elaborate as long as Mfeketo is sitting in the hot seat. I completely agree with the idea of a new stadium complex (building on the idea to use the venue for The Olympics) BUT Cape Town is cash strapped right now and will be for years to come as the N2 Gateway Project drains the coffers. At this rate Jo'burg is going to steal the Olympic bid right from under our noses ......

I heard about The Athlone upgrade approx. 4 days ago. Another "arch" will mirror the current one with stands being built on either end. Apparently SAFA is happy with the idea and money has been set aside for the stadium upgrade .. don't expect anything elaborate as long as Mfeketo is sitting in the hot seat. I completely agree with the idea of a new stadium complex (building on the idea to use the venue for The Olympics) BUT Cape Town is cash strapped right now and will be for years to come as the N2 Gateway Project drains the coffers. At this rate Jo'burg is going to steal the Olympic bid right from under our noses ......

well i've emailed premier, sports minister, vice sports minister, WC sports MC, and some others, i think the best i can do is to start taking more intensive action, suppose the brave 18 y old has to take on the world!!! something ive never been afraid to do!

oh and ive decided if jacob zuma is our president then im emigrating, whether or not we like the ANC i am proud of Thabo, he is always on the international scene promoting, being involved and being the spokes person for africa, so perhaps he shud be the foreign affairs minister hehe and either trevor manuel or sol kerzner as our next president....but i doubt our next president will be non-black perhaps trevor manuel could stand a small chance...hey tokyo sexwale ex gauteng premier (when i was grade 4) and our new donald trump in sa's "apprentice" would not be a bad option

im glad about the Athlone Stadium but this might sounds stupid but they really need to spend a load of money,real intensive and sustainable changes, this might sound silly but its amazing what planting many trees, having new lights, newly paved roads, just some garden area and some flags around poles saying "athlone"" or "welcome to athlone development area" can do for the look of a place, im not saying it will cure athlones socio-economic problems but some landscaping will be great, i believe that the "vanguard place" shopping centre along vanguard drive could be seen as part of the upgrading and renewal of the entire area of athlone and its neighbours, the SA 2010 commitee should paint the surrounding blocks of flats even if they are just looking decent for 2010 cause the people will mess them up anyway and that one cannot deny, also a massive clean up is necessary, using hundreds of people in the community to literally clean the area leading up to the stadium and to become involved in the improving the area, also perhaps opening a community art gallery,e.g. by building in space next to the centre High cement walls which can show the works of top graffiti artists to the international public and create some kind of buzz around the stadium, if athlone is the only stadium to be used, then IMO the area needs to become the epicentre of culture, exhibiting the culture we have and become more than a stadium but an area of "buzz" excitement and football madness,

thats just my 3 cents
VOTE FOR ME FOR MAYOR !!

well i've emailed premier, sports minister, vice sports minister, WC sports MC, and some others, i think the best i can do is to start taking more intensive action, suppose the brave 18 y old has to take on the world!!! something ive never been afraid to do!

oh and ive decided if jacob zuma is our president then im emigrating, whether or not we like the ANC i am proud of Thabo, he is always on the international scene promoting, being involved and being the spokes person for africa, so perhaps he shud be the foreign affairs minister hehe and either trevor manuel or sol kerzner as our next president....but i doubt our next president will be non-black perhaps trevor manuel could stand a small chance...hey tokyo sexwale ex gauteng premier (when i was grade 4) and our new donald trump in sa's "apprentice" would not be a bad option

im glad about the Athlone Stadium but this might sounds stupid but they really need to spend a load of money,real intensive and sustainable changes, this might sound silly but its amazing what planting many trees, having new lights, newly paved roads, just some garden area and some flags around poles saying "athlone"" or "welcome to athlone development area" can do for the look of a place, im not saying it will cure athlones socio-economic problems but some landscaping will be great, i believe that the "vanguard place" shopping centre along vanguard drive could be seen as part of the upgrading and renewal of the entire area of athlone and its neighbours, the SA 2010 commitee should paint the surrounding blocks of flats even if they are just looking decent for 2010 cause the people will mess them up anyway and that one cannot deny, also a massive clean up is necessary, using hundreds of people in the community to literally clean the area leading up to the stadium and to become involved in the improving the area, also perhaps opening a community art gallery,e.g. by building in space next to the centre High cement walls which can show the works of top graffiti artists to the international public and create some kind of buzz around the stadium, if athlone is the only stadium to be used, then IMO the area needs to become the epicentre of culture, exhibiting the culture we have and become more than a stadium but an area of "buzz" excitement and football madness,

thats just my 3 cents
VOTE FOR ME FOR MAYOR !!

A GR8 idea - I will vote for you :). Shame, the disadvantaged can't help themselves - they have an excuse, apartheid. You will not be the only one emmigrating if Zuma becomes President, there will be emmigration en-masse. Everybody that has more than 2 brain cells is terrified that he will become President. Trevor Manuel is the best person .. charisma, business savvy and he is racially neutral.

well i've emailed premier, sports minister, vice sports minister, WC sports MC, and some others, i think the best i can do is to start taking more intensive action, suppose the brave 18 y old has to take on the world!!! something ive never been afraid to do!

oh and ive decided if jacob zuma is our president then im emigrating, whether or not we like the ANC i am proud of Thabo, he is always on the international scene promoting, being involved and being the spokes person for africa, so perhaps he shud be the foreign affairs minister hehe and either trevor manuel or sol kerzner as our next president....but i doubt our next president will be non-black perhaps trevor manuel could stand a small chance...hey tokyo sexwale ex gauteng premier (when i was grade 4) and our new donald trump in sa's "apprentice" would not be a bad option

im glad about the Athlone Stadium but this might sounds stupid but they really need to spend a load of money,real intensive and sustainable changes, this might sound silly but its amazing what planting many trees, having new lights, newly paved roads, just some garden area and some flags around poles saying "athlone"" or "welcome to athlone development area" can do for the look of a place, im not saying it will cure athlones socio-economic problems but some landscaping will be great, i believe that the "vanguard place" shopping centre along vanguard drive could be seen as part of the upgrading and renewal of the entire area of athlone and its neighbours, the SA 2010 commitee should paint the surrounding blocks of flats even if they are just looking decent for 2010 cause the people will mess them up anyway and that one cannot deny, also a massive clean up is necessary, using hundreds of people in the community to literally clean the area leading up to the stadium and to become involved in the improving the area, also perhaps opening a community art gallery,e.g. by building in space next to the centre High cement walls which can show the works of top graffiti artists to the international public and create some kind of buzz around the stadium, if athlone is the only stadium to be used, then IMO the area needs to become the epicentre of culture, exhibiting the culture we have and become more than a stadium but an area of "buzz" excitement and football madness,

thats just my 3 cents
VOTE FOR ME FOR MAYOR !!

Rumours has it that some other ANC gurus and the current parliamentarians are pushing Zuma out of the Presidency campaign and they want Trevor Manuel to replace him. Lets keep our fingures crossed. Plenty of people,including me, agree that Trevor is the Man, but no Sol Kezner. Trevor have been there, done it and got the t-Shirt, he has provoded to be the best and therefore he deserves the sit. Dumisani, forgot his surname, a political analyst also mentioned that the ANC believe more in Trevor Manuel rather than Zuma. I also don't think that the next President will be black.

Rumours has it that some other ANC gurus and the current parliamentarians are pushing Zuma out of the Presidency campaign and they want Trevor Manuel to replace him. Lets keep our fingures crossed. Plenty of people,including me, agree that Trevor is the Man, but no Sol Kezner. Trevor have been there, done it and got the t-Shirt, he has provoded to be the best and therefore he deserves the sit. Dumisani, forgot his surname, a political analyst also mentioned that the ANC believe more in Trevor Manuel rather than Zuma. I also don't think that the next President will be black.


well as long as im mayor of cape town someday

Yeah, I'll vote for you too. It looks like youguys have another supporter for Trevor Manuel.

THE TEARS, JOY AND DRAMA

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*random* bru? very random :)

ahhh... share the love :)

GREENPOINT SPORT AND RECREATION PARK

BEFORE:

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AFTER:

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A- Training Field (cricket pitch in future)
B- Tennis Centre and Academy
C- Main Stadium (athletics and soccer and outdoor concerts ) 30,000
D - Indoor Sports Arena and Fitness and Training Centre (14,000_
E - Sports Admin Offices and South Africa Sports Museum
F - Outdoor Aquatic Centre (indoor in winter) 4,000
G- Warm up athletics track
H - Main Park and garden area, named after a top south african sports person
I- Current GOlf Course
J - Warm up tennis courts alongside a second swimming pool mainly for public
K - Media, Information Centre and Athletes Lounge

WOW. Def. fitting for Greenpoint. Looks great. Now would there be some sort of rail link connecting Greenpoint?

WOW. Def. fitting for Greenpoint. Looks great. Now would there be some sort of rail link connecting Greenpoint?

Perhaps some tramline system (those trains that run through the streets) could be constructed, but perhaps more money should be spent on upgrading the cape town train station and then invest in a reliable shuttle system to and from the station, underground would be too expensive for this type of project.

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IOC Evaluation Commission leader Morrocan Olympic Gold Medallist Nawal El Moutawakel and South Africa's Sam Ramsamy take centre stage during the press conference during the New York 2012 Inspection. Will these two members bring the games to Africa?

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Notice Africa's IOC Members Frankie Fredericks and South Africa's Sam Ramsamy again take centre stage, with such influence a games in Africa seem more like a reality than a dream.

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Just this week:Strengthened Greek-South Africa ties could ensure support for an African bid come the voting for the 2012/2020 host.

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Our President on holiday again!! (hehe)

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The wonderful venue which is today used as a car sales area along the foreshore stages the successful championships. During a Cape Town Olympics a similar setup will be used but the event will be staged at the Caste of Good Hope.

Hey look everybody- it is the black Hendrik Verwoerd - architect of reverse racism :)

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Hey look everybody- it is the black Hendrik Verwoerd - architect of reverse racism :)

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thabo mbeki does not deserve of being compared to such a horific creature such a verwoerd, i dont think anyone is ...i find it funny how some people call affirmative action reverse apartheid, its not even close, they day u have to walk in the streets with a passport and if u dont have it get beaten severely, then u can talk about a 1 millionth chance of reverse racism, come on gandalf u shud know better than to make such remarks! [on a more serious note]

Sorry - I stick to my comment. The ANC is the new National Party and he is the new Hendrik Verwoerd. Being segregated from the new South Africa because you are white is apartheid (aka reverse racism) ... things will get even worse. Wait and see but I am out of here ....

Good news, my boyfriend has been accepted and the Goverment of Western Australia will provide us with our emmigration papers in 6 Months time. Come December 2005 I will officially be an Aussie :)

now thats not something to proud of... being an ozzi!!!

now thats not something to proud of... being an ozzi!!!

Don't be nasty ;) besides, you will have an Ambassador for Durbs in Oz.

Sorry - I stick to my comment. The ANC is the new National Party and he is the new Hendrik Verwoerd. Being segregated from the new South Africa because you are white is apartheid (aka reverse racism) ... things will get even worse. Wait and see but I am out of here ....

Good news, my boyfriend has been accepted and the Goverment of Western Australia will provide us with our emmigration papers in 6 Months time. Come December 2005 I will officially be an Aussie :)


u should speak to sophie makoba (72), someone i spoke to about apartheid, about segregation she'll tell you what it means.on a lighter note, enjoy OZ, but you'll always be south african, and youll come watch the olympic games in cape town and claim to be a proud south africa, the Irony!

Now im not saying my emails had something to do with what he said but i think it is very conincedental that he mentioned it after my emails to him and his cabinet people


Ebrahim Rasool
State of the Province Address - Sunday, February 20, 2005

Golden Opportunity: World Cup 2010

Mr Speaker, at our Cabinet Lekgotla last week, Cabinet was seized with a challenge: how do we transform the unadulterated joy at winning the right to host World Cup 2010 and particularly the Western Cape’s vital role in this [where we hope to host the opening ceremony, two groups and at least a semi-final] into a lasting and permanent legacy for the people of the Western Cape?

I believe that the Cabinet Lekgotla, following discussions with SAFA and the City has taken the first step towards this goal by confirming the Athlone stadium as the primary venue for World Cup 2010 in this Province.

WC 2010 represents an unprecedented economic opportunity to consolidate the Western Cape as a premium tourist destination on the global map. However, it is much more than that. WC 2010 is also an opportunity to kick-start key infrastructure investments, pivotal to our economic growth and equitable social development, including the upgrade of the N7 and the commencement of the road to Agulhas.

The implementation of the Klipfontein Corridor must reach fruition before 2009. It also gives new meaning to the N2 Gateway. The N2 Gateway Project is more than just houses and it is certainly more than just Joe Slovo. In the context of the Athlone Stadium and Klipfontein Corridor it is the renewal of the Cape Flats, central to which is the re-conceptualisation of our public Transport infrastructure.

We therefore envisage a Public Private Partnership to construct a public transport link between the airport and the central city, a long overdue requirement if we are to solve the long-term structural problems of traffic congestion. In other words Mr Speaker, in just five years the heart of Cape Town can be transformed beyond recognition.

Beyond the bricks and mortar of WC 2010, if planned and managed consciously and if we harness the spirit of the beautiful game, it could be the catalyst for alternative lifestyles amongst the youth of our province, beset by HIV – AIDS, drugs, gangs, crime and hopelessness. Every school, every classroom, every play ground in all our communities, must fall under the magical spell of soccer and sport in general. This kind of social revolution will require that we seize the inherent opportunity for social cohesion. WC 2010 must become our metaphor for the Home for All.

WC 2010 has to be the highpoint of Cape Town’s endeavour to be a destination for world-class sport. Rugby World Cup 2011 is next on our agenda. The Commonwealth Games of 2014 come to mind. The incremental building of our sport, transport and social infrastructure may yet mean that Cape Town will again throw its hat into the ring for the 2020 Olympic Games.

Cape Town catalyst - Cape Town, South Africa's bid to become site of 2004 Olympics

Cape Town's ambitious yet far-sighted bid to host the Olympics in 2004 - which have never been held on African soil - aims to channel the huge commercial and political impetus of the Games into a comprehensive redevelopment of some of the city's most marginalised areas.

Africa as a continent has never hosted the Olympic Games. Yet how better could the international community show its support for both the continent and the new South Africa than by placing the world's most prestigious sporting event on once divided soil: a badly needed boost to economy and morale, epitomising Olympic ideals of world peace. Sam Ramsamy, President of the National Olympic Committee, realised that South Africa was a strong contender for the 2004 Games. Cape Town entrepreneur, Raymond Ackerman, and community spokesman, Ngconde Balfour were thinking along the same lines.

A formal competition was launched between South Africa's three largest cities: Cape Town, Durban and Johannesburg. Cape Town City Council gathered a committee of community, sporting and business representatives. A feasibility study proved it was viable to host the Games and a formal bid, co-chaired by Ackerman and Balfour, was launched. Of 40 professional submissions, the team led by Ove Arup Incorporated was selected and given the go ahead in September 1992. Competition was fierce and the stakes high. Both Johannesburg and Durban had gone for a municipal initiative with associated metropolitan financing. Cape Town argued that at this transitional stage in South Africa's affairs, with so many financial calls on the public purse, the use of public sector money could not be justified. Their bid was the only one to be entirely private-sector led and funded. Fifteen months and a new government later, Cape Town won national support.

The International Olympic Committee (IOC) increasingly resembles a prosperous multi-national corporation of billion dollar turnover and associated vulnerabilities. Television syndicates and trade alliances wield enormous influence over choice of venue. But President Samaranch of the IOC is countering this image: he wants to use the unrivalled political and commercial power of the Olympics in an interventionist way before he leaves office in 1997. Two post-war examples in particular, record political and economic impact out of all proportion to two weeks of track and field events: Tokyo in 1960 and Seoul in 1988. In South Africa, the potential of the Olympic opportunity can be maximised by tying the next 10 years of preparations into the Mandela government's critical Reconstruction and Development Programme (RDP). The Arup team understood these multiple objectives and wove them together.

The urgent demand for housing, infrastructure and social amenities are priorities in the new South Africa. The RDP is a comprehensive programme which links industrial development and economic growth to providing jobs and essential services where they are most needed. Of parallel importance is economic empowerment and the involvement of newly emerging professionals and contractors in the delivery process.

Arup SA has experience in this field. The Stutterheim Forum, where Arup was involved in providing services and infrastructure for 1000 residential sites and a school, brought together community leaders, businesses and the local authority to create joint plans for this small town in a rural environment. Arup managed this collaborative participation, ensuring the maximum of local contracting and labour-intensive methods of construction, while developing training schemes as part of the project.

Cape Town has made an irresistible bid. Table Mountain is as iconic as the Sydney Opera House. Empty sandy beaches sweep as flaxen lawns below the stretches of fynbos and wild flowers forming one of six world-protected floral kingdoms. Yet future developments could threaten these fragile eco-systems. Eco-tourism, or travel-with-a-purpose, is the global growth sector. With this in mind the Cape Town 2004 Olympic Bid Committee is committed to an environmental charter.

Cape Town has a culturally diverse history and a liberal political tradition. It has sustained a context of relative peace and stability contrasting with the violence that has affected so much of South Africa. Lying in the second most economically powerful province, with three universities (plus a sports medicine faculty) and two technikons (technical colleges), it has a strong education and training structure in place. The metropolitan region comprises two zones of historical affluence and development - one running north-south down the peninsula, the other running east-west from the Central Business District (CBD). Between these some two million people - increasing rapidly as a result of inward immigration - live in relative poverty on the Cape Flats, many in informal settlements. To achieve their developmental objectives, the Games had to be planned to bring benefits to these areas. They had to be African and community based, addressing income redistribution and empowerment and capitalising on existing initiatives. They had to be feasible.

The priorities of the communities are for basic facilities which will improve their quality of life - shelter and social infrastructure for education and health. Balfour, as a member of the ANC, has taken the lead in demonstrating to the black communities (who may suspect that the Olympics represents an unnecessary expenditure of public funds on potential chimera) the benefits in terms of reconstruction and development. The vitality of the proposal lay in transferring intellectual ownership of the Olympics from consultants to community. The work of the bid team involved a great amount of community consultation (until the recent instigation of the new Metropolitan Authority there were innumerable local authority groups). Dialogue was especially necessary because of the unique political climate in which the bidding process was undertaken - a vacuum of political plans and policies in the purgatory between successive governmental eras.

Cape Town's transport infrastructure is at present focused on moving people to and from the CBD. By locating the proposed Olympic venues near these road and rail corridors it will be possible to provide the necessary transport. At the same time the Olympic planning process acts as a catalyst to co-ordinate the development of the system over the next 10 years, transforming it to a metropolitan-wide loop, giving people of the region greater mobility and access to employment opportunities. Travel costs a crippling proportion of the average income. The bid team decided to locate the main complex at Wingfield, with sub nodes at Philippi, Khayelitsha and the adjacent University of the Western Cape and Peninsula Technikon campuses. The Freedom or Olympic Flame will be lit on Robben Island - the political prison of Nelson Mandela and many others.

Wingfield was the dumping ground of the bull-dozed rubble from the houses of District Six, razed under the old Group Areas Act. As well as symbolism, the site offers everything a main Olympic complex could need. The 300 hectares are publicly owned, and can be planned for optimum Olympic use and after use. Strategically located 12 km from the city centre and in its growth path, Table Mountain will be full frame from camera positions on the roof of the 80 000-spectator stadium. The compact arrangement of the proposed athletes' and media villages (envisaged as private developments which will serve as well located and crucially needed housing afterwards) are all walking distance from the stadium and arenas, stimulating immediate mixed-use development of the site which will provide lasting benefits to the community.

Every stage had to bring benefits. The economic analysis concluded that tangible benefits, primarily from associated publicity and tourism, would flow from the bid process alone making the bid at R60m ([pounds]18m 1993) worth while even if the games were not secured in 1997. The proposed operating budget for the games shows a revenue of US$1.25bn ([pounds]830m) based on careful analysis of budgets of other cities which have hosted or bid for the Olympics over the last 12 years. A lower revenue from ticket sales has been assumed because of the need to encourage local attendance. Despite this, the budget indicates a surplus.

The estimate of gross capital expenditure over the 10 years leading up to the Games is R5.4bn ([pounds]1007m). The largest item being infrastructure - roads, railways and airport - followed by the sports facilities and the villages. The powerful impact of the Olympics is to ensure the co-ordination of projects necessary for the development of the region and in some cases to advance expenditure in time. Approximately R990m ([pounds]185m) of capital expenditure would have to be under construction or committed by late 1996 to ensure a credible South African bid to the International Olympic Committee. Most of this expenditure will be on infrastructure projects and sports facilities which best fulfil community needs.

The key to the economic benefits to be derived from Cape Town hosting the Olympics is synergy. Tourist growth potential and associated developments will be accelerated. The economic benefits derived from direct and indirect spending by visitors (208 000 expected on any day of the Games) accrue not only to the Western Cape region but to the national economy. South Africa faces high and drastically increasing unemployment which is unlikely to be alleviated in the medium term. Even with improving economic growth, most formal businesses and industries do not generate significant job opportunities. Construction and tourism are the industries with maximum potential to generate new jobs at modest cost and these are the beneficiaries of the Olympics and tourism development. Arup estimate that up to 200 000 new jobs will be generated by 2004.

The bid has public support. The Steering Committee contains a cross-section of Western Cape interests, while the list of patrons and sponsors is impressive. Its technical and economic architecture builds ingeniously upon constraints. But above all, this national and now international Olympic bid continues to unite people around tables of discussion in the earliest days of the new South Africa.

A look at the possible upgrade of the Athlone Stadium for 2010.
The current roof would be duplicated and seating would be constructed on either side of the goalposts.

ATHLONE STADIUM CURRENTLY


http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/africa/south_africa/western_cape/cape_town_athlone.jpg

http://www.turtlesa.com/images/bsocwc/B22%20ath%20st%203.jpg

http://www.mlh.co.za/athlone.gif

http://www.mlh.co.za/athlone2.jpg

http://www.mlh.co.za/athlone1.jpg


PROPOSED/POSSIBLE NEW ATHLONE STADIUM

http://www.airphotographs.co.uk/images/mcalpine.jpg

http://terriercelestia.sphosting.com/HTFCstadium.jpg

during the construction...

http://www.windows-goodies.mcmail.com/images/stadium.jpg

AT NIGHT:

http://www.geocities.com/peter_swing/cv126.gif

http://www.keithmossphotography.co.uk/images/Galpharm-Pitch.jpg

http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/ichuddersfield/feb2002/2/5/000452D0-EE41-1C7C-92BC80C328EC014A.jpg

DURING THE DAY:

http://www.stadiumguide.com/alfredmcalpine2.jpg

http://www.soccerstadiums.homestead.com/files/TheMac03.jpg

Also during construction:

http://www.anthonyhuntassociates.co.uk/mcalpine_1.jpg

Thats just my two cents on the possible design of the new 45,000 seater athlone stadium, it would look magnificent all lit up at night from UCT or table mtn.

I like it. But the blue seems kinda bland. Maybe they cud liven it up with some yellow polka dots or neon green zebras. ;)

What is the area like around Athlone ? I have heard that it isn't great so I am not going to do the research myself .. have you been there ?

What is the area like around Athlone ? I have heard that it isn't great so I am not going to do the research myself .. have you been there ?

Well go ahead drive through it yourself, you wont get shot or hijacked, people use the road past athlone stadium daily, the area is definitely not great and this is why i suggested that massive investment takes place surrounding the stadium, i.e. that community, surrounding sports facilities, apart from roads and other transport networks to the stadium that needs to be improved, "beautification" of the surrounding area of the stadium is a deinite must, hell!! if our mayor wont plant a few trees and find out about landscaping then ill get my spade and plant the trees myself, but what we must realise is that athlone with be cape town's reflection of the soccer world cup, to impress the world cape town would need to really imrpove the athlone area, the surrounding amenities are in adequate, the commerical area surrounding the stadium is far from adequate to meet the needs of the soccer fans who will not just watch the soccer match and return to their hotel but "explore" or expect some sort of "buzz" of activity surrounding the stadium, if only the city council could realise its more than just building a stadium, its about creating a legacy and the "correct" image as the worlds eyes will be on south africa and cape town -- the "olympic city" IMO, homes around the stadium are in a poor condition and so are the areas along the roads leading to the stadium, PLUS vanguard drive needs to have camera security for the soccer world cup, that is not an option but some definite security measure would be needed along that road especially if matches are to take place at night, hopefully the proposed shopping centre at the open land along vanguard drive will liven up the area and make it safer, these are all the things that need to be finalised as all the focus will be on the stadium and its surrounds, wothout DOUBTathlone stadium will make a great camera shot from UCT and table mtn.. to be cont...

My proposed design for the main gymnastics arena and basketball finals arena with capacity 15-18,000 in Olympic Gymnastics Mode.

CAPE TOWN OLYMPIC SUPERBOWL

The actual basketball court and gymnastics floor will be below ground level, so the arena would be half underground as not to create a large intruding arena obstructing the views from the olympic stadium adjacent to it.

http://www.monolithicdome.com/gallery/sports/crenostad/crenostad05x.jpg

http://img114.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img114&image=crenostad06xgymmode9pt.jpg][IMG]http://img114.exs.cx/img114/5311/crenostad06xgymmode9pt.th.jpg

http://www.monolithic.com/gallery/sports/crenostad/crenostad07x.jpg

http://www.monolithic.com/gallery/sports/arena_football/prospect_01x.jpg

http://www.monolithic.com/pres/crenosphere_invention/02a_crenox.jpg

http://img114.exs.cx/img114/5311/crenostad06xgymmode9pt.jpg

SYDNEY SUPERDOME:

http://www.artistic-jumpers.de/bilder/sydney/bild-gross/r_7b.jpg

http://www.panstadia.com/vol6/62-090d.jpg

ABOUT THESE DOMES, WHY I CHOSE THIS SPECIFIC TYPE OF ARENA:



CRENOSPHERE -- A Dream Come True — by Freda Parker

If you think your organization just can’t afford to build the ultimate sports facility, think again! The Crenosphere Dome is here, and, as far as super stadiums and arenas are concerned, it’s a dream come true.

“And all that,” South continues, “can take place in an enclosed structure that’s independent of the weather, comfortably heated in the winter, cooled in the summer, and whose ground cover could be a quality artificial turf.”


But for athletic directors and academic administrators convinced that their dream of an enclosed arena was the impossible dream, the best news of all is that, for many of them, the Crenosphere is affordable. South says, “In many cases, a Crenosphere can be constructed at a significantly lower cost — sometimes for half the price of other structure types. Nor would any feature be sacrificed. The playing space, spectator seating, concessions — all the other amenities — would still be included.”

Just as importantly, the savings are ongoing. “Like all Monolithic Domes, the Crenosphere has superior insulation with an effective R-60 rating,” South explains. “With that kind of insulation, the Crenosphere does not suffer from sudden temperature changes or peaks in its interior. There’s no need for huge, multiple units. Crenospheres can be heated and cooled with a fewer number of smaller units that run for shorter time periods.”


Efficient maintenance and durability add to operational savings. Building materials used in a Crenosphere’s construction, particularly concrete which is its main ingredient, make the structure relatively easy and inexpensive to maintain.

“Those same construction materials give the Crenosphere a life span measured in centuries — not just years,” South says. “That kind of durability and strength translates into lower insurance premiums and security.”

Because of its sturdiness, a Creno sphere can become an instant disaster shelter. “In the event of any disaster, such as a tornado, hurricane, or earthquake, the Crenosphere can shelter an entire school population or community,” South adds.

Its other advantages include total flexibility, inside and out. South says that within its interior the Crenosphere is “just beautiful open space, uninterrupted by pillars or posts.” Its design can be single or multilevel and include mezzanines, hanging press boxes, concessions, dining rooms, spectator seating, lounges, rest rooms, and lockers, as well as accommodations for the physically challenged.

The Crenosphere’s exterior can be designed in a variety of shapes and sizes, so that the structure can comfortably house just about any sport: football, indoor soccer, baseball, arena football, hockey, basketball, softball, tennis — even golf.

MDI Architect Rick Crandall gives yet another Crenosphere advantage. He says, “Domes create the best assembly occupancies that can be had. There’s no better way to get the maximum number of people in the smallest volume all facing the same direction. There’s no better shape than round. With dome technology, we don’t have to accept the limitations of traditional architecture.”

Twenty years of research and development went into the Crenosphere’s invention, and the patent awarded to David South that allows its construction took another two years (Roundup, Spring/Summer 1999, p. 19). But according to South, “It was well worth it because what this means is that we’ll be building huge domes as covered stadiums and arenas and doing it at prices more institutions and organizations can afford. Now that’s a dream come true.

Dome,sweet dome

Is this the shape of things to come in construction?
Touted as a revolutionary building process for covered sports facilities, the Crenosphere being utilized for one multipurpose venue promises to deliver cost savings and operational efficiencies, and may provide the blueprint for future projects
A new form of dome - Prospect Heights Entertainment Center near Chicago

When construction begins on the Prospect Heights Entertainment Center north of Chicago later this year, developers will be breaking new ground – both literally and figuratively. This privately-funded arena will make use of a new type of construction known as a Crenosphere. 

The Crenosphere is an affordable, highly energy-efficient alternative building process for covered stadiums, large arenas and other high-occupancy sports facilities. It is an offshoot of the Monolithic Dome, a steel-reinforced concrete building known for its high energy efficiency, low maintenance, strength and durability. Jack Wilson, president of Prospect Development LLC, the developer of the Prospect Heights Entertainment Center, says he was attracted to the Crenosphere because of its enormous cost efficiencies.

“It is efficient in terms of capital costs upfront and operating costs on an ongoing basis. Nothing that we have come across in any other design comes close to the efficiencies of the Crenosphere,” Wilson says. 

The 320ft diameter arena, which is scheduled for completion in April 2003, will have a floor area of 80,425ft2. It will host Target Stars on Ice, IMG artists in concert, IMG models, hockey, indoor soccer, basketball, tennis, motor races and trade shows, and feature seating for as many as 12,000 spectators.

 Flexible benefits 

David B. South, who invented and patented the pioneering Crenosphere technology, is president of the Monolithic Dome Institute (MDI) in Italy, Texas. He says that the new building technology offers total flexibility, inside and out. 

For starters, it has a clear-span interior. “It’s all just beautiful open space, uninterrupted by pillars or posts,” South adds. 

Its exterior is equally flexible. It can be designed in a variety of shapes and sizes that can comfortably house just about any sport: football, indoor soccer, baseball, arena football, hockey, basketball or tennis.

It is also highly energy efficient. “Like all Monolithic Domes, the Crenosphere has superior insulation, with a rating equivalent to R-60 when thermal mass calculations are included,” South explains. “With that kind of insulation, the Crenosphere does not suffer from sudden changes in its interior temperature.” 

Furthermore, there is no need for huge, multiple HVAC units in Crenospheres either, South adds. The building can be heated and cooled with a diminished number of smaller units that run for shorter time periods. 

For example, the HVAC design for Prospect Heights Entertainment Center calls for 165 tons of air conditioning, only one-fourth as much as would be required in a conventional facility of the same size. That translates to a USD500,000 savings in equipment alone, according to South.

 Concrete savings 

Construction costs for the Crenosphere are also lower. In many cases, it can be constructed at a significantly lower cost than other types of large stadiums without sacrificing playing space, spectator seating, concessions or any amenities. 

Rick Crandall, an Arizona-based architect who is the architect of record for the Prospect Heights facility, notes yet another of its practical advantages. 

“Domes create the best assembly occupancies that can be had because there’s no better shape than round,” Crandall explains. “There’s no more efficient way to comfortably get the maximum number of people into an area and still have them all facing towards the center of attention.” 

“With the new dome technology, we don’t have to accept the limitations of traditional linear architecture.” 

The Crenosphere offers many of the same advantages available with Monolithic Dome construction: 

 - Both types of buildings cost 50 per cent less to heat and cool than traditional structures of the same size; 

 - They are strong enough to withstand direct hits by tornadoes, hurricanes and earthquakes; 

 - They have life-spans measured in centuries.

Where they differ is in their use. Monolithic Domes are used mainly as churches, schools, homes and storage facilities, while Crenospheres are designed for use as sports facilities and arenas.

“For the first time, we can affordably construct huge domes using concrete, the ideal building material,” says Dr. Arnold Wilson, a retired civil engineering professor at Brigham Young University who now serves on the board of the Monolithic Dome Institute. 

“The Crenosphere is virtually indestructible and fireproof, and even steel cannot claim that. Steel falls down or melts in temperatures of 800 or 1000°C.”

Arnold Wilson was the first to put the Crenosphere technology to the test in a Brigham Young University lab in 1998. Patented in 1999, the Crenosphere building process allows for the construction of domed structures ranging in size from 70,686ft2 to 785,400ft2 (300-1,000ft diameters). 

 Building techniques 

The Crenosphere utilizes some of the same construction techniques used to build a Monolithic Dome, but differs in some key respects. Typically, the construction process begins with the placement of plumbing and special electrical conduits. A round foundation of the desired diameter is then poured. This circular slab features special anchors around the perimeter that hold the Airform (an inflatable balloon-like structure made of single-ply roofing material) in place.

When inflated, the Airform creates the shape of the dome. On its inside, the Airform is sprayed with a polyurethane insulation material in several stages. A grid of steel rebar is then placed into the foam, and later embedded in several inches of Shotcrete. The Airform remains in place to serve as the structure’s waterproof outer shell. This total process creates a structure that is truly monolithic. 

Because Crenospheres are so much bigger than any existing Monolithic Dome, there are some extra steps involved in building one. To begin with, a cable net must be placed over the outside of the Airform to prevent the gigantic expanses of fabric from tearing. Additionally, concrete support ribs must be sprayed-in-place on the interior of the Crenosphere to make the increased diameter possible.

“A Crenosphere differs from a Monolithic Dome in two important ways,” Wilson explains. “On the outside, a steel cable net is secured to the dome’s foundation, over the Airform, before inflating begins. When the Airform is inflated, the fabric pillows out between the cables, forming a series of connected smaller domes — like a spherical quilt.” 

“On the inside,” he continues, “the Crenosphere is first sprayed with polyurethane foam, then crisscrossed with rebar ribs, and sprayed with concrete. Those ribs give the Crenosphere more depth, but not weight, and create row upon row of small domes — thus eliminating the problem of snap-through buckling.”

 Durability and strength 

The building materials used in the Crenosphere’s construction, particularly concrete and polyurethane insulation, make the structure easy and inexpensive to maintain, and lead to ongoing savings in the form of reduced operating costs. In addition, all of the components are basic and are readily available almost anywhere. The materials also give the building a long life-span. 

“This durability and strength translates into lower insurance premiums and a heightened sense of security,” South says.

This inherent sturdiness means a Crenosphere can also double as a disaster shelter. “And because of the structure’s ability to provide ‘near-absolute protection’, it can shelter an entire school population or a large segment of the surrounding community in the event of catastrophes such as tornados, hurricanes or even earthquakes,” South says. 

“There is no way to put a price on saving lives, but knowing this type of structure will stand up to just about anything nature can deliver has to be a comfort.”

It is axiomatic that time is always money, and any building system that reduces construction time goes straight to the bottom line. 

Since much of the construction of a Crenosphere can be completed inside, weather does not dictate work schedules. By using crews divided into three shifts, construction can continue without interruption ‘round the clock’. 

 Dream come true 

It has been a long road to the invention of the Crenosphere. Twenty years of research went into its development. The patent awarded to South allowing its construction took another two years.

“It was well worth the wait and occasional frustration because what this means is that we’ll be building huge domes as covered stadiums and arenas, and doing it at prices more institutions and organizations can afford,” South says. “Now that’s a dream come true and a testament to human ingenuity.”

Wilson, who retired after a four-decade civil engineering career, has all the faith in the world in human ingenuity, but he goes back to basics in crediting what is really behind the invention of a dome and what makes it unique in terms of strength. 

“The egg has always fascinated me. You can see that it’s the shape and structure of the shell that gives it its strength,” he says. “Much the same is true for a dome, and I think we borrowed from nature when we began building domes.” 

Ultimately, Wilson sees that strength as the key to success, particularly in the future. “Domes are just too good a thing not to gain in popularity. They can withstand just about any force and they are economical to build and maintain. What more can you ask?”

Wilson recalls the evolution of Monolithic Domes and what constitutes a ‘large’ dome today compared to in the not-too-distant past. “The answer to that question depends on whom you ask and when you asked them,” he says. “Back in 1975, a dome with a diameter of 100ft was considered large. Today, that dome is small.”

“Now we define domes with diameters of 300ft or more as large, and the future will probably see a repetition of the past, with 300ft diameter domes eventually being seen as small,” he says. “It’s large to us, right now, because the largest one built, to date, is 280ft in diameter.”

He fondly remembers the day back in 1975 when South talked to him about just how big domes might one day be. “I told him I thought 800ft in diameter,” says Wilson. “Many, many long talks followed,” he adds. “And the experimenting and co-sponsorship by Monolithic Dome Institute and Dome Technology, Inc. at BYU began. Some 26 years later we know we can do diameters of 1000ft with a Crenosphere Dome.”

Wilson says the industry can look forward to more Crenospheres in future. “The Crenosphere Dome is the most exciting advance in large stadiums for years,” he argues. “It’s ideal for athletic events, and economically it is a wise choice.”

Mo your research is MOST impressive!!! WOW, i salute you!! The graphics are great.

About the proposed design of the athlone stadium, which stadium is that which you used pics of which looks similar to athlone?

About the crenosphere process. Quite simple really. They use it all the time here in the Southwest. I've actually been on-site while an airform project was being used.

The Stadium with a simimlar design to athlone stadium is the huddersfield stadium, i think alfred mcalphine or something like that, i thought that as the athlone stadium is of similar design we coud at least have an idea of what it will look like, as before i am worried that not enough investment will be carried out surrounding the stadium, i am deifnitely not in favour of a big new 50,000 stadium in an area tha thas been neglected , the stadium photo i posted only has a 25,000 capacity i think so athlone stadium will be much larger, 40,000 should be the bare minimum, i think the seating opposite the grand stand should be demolished and moved further back, i think a suitable seating facility like the one used for stadium australia would be perfect, about 60,000 capacity durinf 2010 and about 40,000 post 2010, the temporary seating could also have its own roof as the event will take place in winter..brrrr

MY SUGGESTION TO THE FUTURE DESIGN OF ATHLONE STADIUM:

THE DESIGN DURING 2010 USING TEMP. SEATING TO REACH A SUITABLE CAPACITY (as im sure the matches in cape town would draw much attention and a suitable capacity would be needed to meet the demand:)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1890000/images/_1892845_misaki_stadium_kobe.jpg

http://www.fussballtempel.net/afc/JPN/Kobe_A.jpg

http://www.soccerstadiums.homestead.com/files/wc_2002_KOBE_3.jpg

http://www.fussballtempel.net/afc/JPN/Kobe.jpg

Note the temp seating installations:

http://www.wldcup.com/Asia/stadia/kobe/pict8.jpg

http://www.wldcup.com/Asia/stadia/kobe/pict7.jpg


POST 2010:


http://csx.jp/~h-nagai/sport/kobe-wing/panorama-2.JPG

http://csx.jp/~h-nagai/sport/kobe-wing/dc032772.jpg

http://www.j-league.or.jp/stadium/kobe_wing/images/2005stadium_a.jpg

http://www.kansai.gr.jp/News/1999-e/1020-04.jpg

http://www.lusas.com/case/bridge/images/aerial_view.gif

http://www.lusas.com/case/civil/images/chunju_lusas_view2.gif

http://www.microstran.com.au/images/hks.gif

I actually like it. I think that Mo Rush should do the whole thing! :) Anyway, so one thing that really hasnt been discussed. What about the airport? I mean its obviously not big enough to cope with the major influx of game-seekers or post-olympic tourists. Surely there is space enough around the current airport to expand right? A new airport wont be needed or wanted as the cost would be prohibitive. The main terminal should definately go under expansion anyway, and a new terminal for certain flights might be of some consideration?

but there will be no point in expanding beyond a reasonable size, for after the olympics it will have far too much capacity for the cities needs.

yeah the airport needs lotsa work but i think it should be gradual unlike athens that just built everything new, i think the capacity and layout def needs to be improved and the space should be available unless the F1 Grand Prix is nearby??? Otherwise cape towns airport was voted the best for its size, if cape town was to host the olympic games massive upgrades would be needed but i think they should rather work towards that required capacity rather than just chunk a load of money when the olympics arrives, i dont see cape town experiencing what athens is currently experiencing, rotting venues (leaking roof in main indoor hall, some sports halls being used for the wrong purposes etc. ) in cape towns case the legacy is so much more intricate and as south africa is so unique sustainability should be a MUST. there should be no negotiating with venues that are not sustainable, even building the main olympic stadium wuold impact on other stadiums usage, so would a 15-20000 indoor hall, i mean what would the use be post olympics games,??this needs to be thought about carefullly, the olympic park post olympic games needs to be used by the public, BMX tracks need to be filled with youngster and professionals each weekend who enjoy BMXing,the main stadium should be have its capacity lowered to exactly what is suitable after the games whether it is going from 80,000 to 25,000 like LONDON 2012 is or from 90,000 to 50,000. Inexpensive yet modern and appropriate venues need to be designed with major emhpasis on involving the local businesses in the construction but larger projects should lay with the those who are best at what they do even if they are international companies, sports halls should use be built so that they cna literally be dismanteld and rebuilt elsewhere after the games anywhere in south africa or in the western cape, certain world championships should not only be planned before the games but after the games so that the venues continue to be used, we should also make use of our landmarks and important areas e.g. robben island for archery and the castle of good hope for fencing, boxing would be in mew way and tickets should be reserved at lower prices for south africas that cannot afford the highly priced tickets so that people surrounding mew way come and watch the boxing on an international standard and realise that it is indeed their games, the games for the people, the rowing centre in zeekoevlei will require much community participation in ensuring the venue is used after the olympic games not in the states the athens rowing centre is where light bulb hang from wires (this is fact) and the water is stagnant green!! (this is fact as well),

stellenbosch and simons town would host modern pentathlon and sailing respectively allowing all of cape to experience the games, and ensuring tourists see all of cape town.

cape town would need to streamline its airport to cope with the influx of the crows that olympic games draw but yet remain at a reasonable capacity so that it continues to be suitable for its usual capacity, the areas or space no longer needed could be used for other purposes e.g. a mini shopping mall, more offices for the airport company, thats just an idea, i dont think that we should go above board of what is realistic, oh perhaps a mini airport at ysterplaat hehe maybe ysterplaay should feature as this HUGE military SEcurity centre for the games!!

I was thinking that with a suitable capacity increase the olympic sized ice rink could be used during the olympics to host one of the smaller indoor sportss, with a new surface over the ice rink an upgrade to the required capacity this could be a good indoor venue ..

http://www.ice.co.za/images/photos/AerialViewOfIceStation.jpg

http://www.ice.co.za/images/photos/Session1.jpg

http://www.ice.co.za/images/photos/session2.jpg

http://www.icerink.co.za/NewRink/Update1/CasinoEntrance.jpg

http://www.icerink.co.za/NewRink/7LayingSlab2.jpg

http://www.icerink.co.za/NewRink/Latest/SoundBox.jpg

http://www.icerink.co.za/NewRink/Latest/TicketOffice.jpg

http://www.icerink.co.za/NewRink/Newer2/MainEntrance.jpg

WOW!! Beautiful arena. Quite nice, I think it would make an excellent training venue. Gosh, Goodwood needs some xeriscaping. Maybe clear up some of that dirt.

That's nice Mo Rush. Tell me what's gonna happen to the space where the old Ice Rink was? When will the construction of the new Ice Rink be completed?

where abouts is that area in the picture? i know its the casino, but explain to me where in cape town it is please. not just the name of the suburb

where abouts is that area in the picture? i know its the casino, but explain to me where in cape town it is please. not just the name of the suburb


Pule the rink was completed in 2001 already.

i found this site that gives u a cool 3d view of the ice rink i think its really awesome but thats just my opinion, i wil post some drawings of a system i think can be used to increase its seating capacity to about 6,000 and allowing the indoor centre to return to its lower capacity after it has been used, perhaps a sport that requires minimal floor space would allows seating to be added around the ice rink area, wHat do you guys think? i think boxing which one only needs the centre square area for can be hoster here, and the ice rink area could be used for more seats without having to actually alter the building, a seperate arena which can be dismantled after the games can be constructed adjacent to the ice rink allowing for a few boxing rings for the warm up of boxers, but nothing highly expensive is needed, A BONUS a train line runs directly adjacent to the complex which i think is a bonus im just doing my best to try and think of ways in which a great olympic games can be stagedtaking into account sustainability, accessibility and costs, thats my two cents for today

THS IS AN AWESOME 3d view of the ice rink
http://www.suninternational.com/resorts/grandwest/default.aspx?mainframe=%2fadv-casino%2fadvgrandwest.aspx&picframe=%2fadv-casino%2fadvbargrandwest.aspx&menuframe=mainmenu.aspx%3fcmsMenu%3d259

Sydney 2000 Olympic Games


Expansion for 2000

A key objective of the desing was to produce a facility that met the long term needs of the people of Sydney and was capable of efficient modification for the Olympic Games.

The pools and technical equipment were of Olympic Standard before the Games, however, seating, VIP and media facilities were temporarily expanded.

The design of the Centre allowed the spectator seating to be increased from 4,400 to approximately 17,500.

This was achieved in the following way:

* The prinicipal expansion was on the eastern side of the pools where up to 10,000 seats were added.
* The existing eastern wall adjacent to the Competition and Utility Pool seating was removed and the seating was extended up the earth bank.
* The building has a large truss supporting the roof on the Eastern side so there was no need for support below the roof line, thereby allowing the wall to be removed without any structure interfering with the extended seating sitelines. A temporary roof and walls were added.
* A further 1,200 seats were added on the upper concourse at the northern end of the Competition Pool.
* The western seating area was expanded by adding 1,220 seats, five rows behind the existing seats but within the building enclosure.
* A further 680 seats were added at the pool concourse level, for use by competitors and officials.

http://www.sydneyaquaticcentre.com.au/html/fact_file_olympics_images/2000_expansion_map.gif

With this type of system i think the grand west ice rink can increase its capacity while still being sustainable after the games, economical during the games and not damaging the facade or interior space of the ice rink.

http://svan.ca/travel/sydney-2000/medium/20000930-0118.jpg

http://svan.ca/travel/sydney-2000/medium/20000930-0120.jpg

Such a drastic capacity increase from 4,400 to 17,500 certainly wont be needed so on a smaller scale capacity can be increased to reach 6,000.

http://www.athens2004.com/Images/Multimedia/images/boxing1_09-07.jpg

This is my vision for the Ice rink to be converted into a boxing venue, NOTE the Ice rink Venue is similar in size to the one shown in the photo.

http://www.abc.net.au/olympics/2004/galleries/venues3/images/04_boxing.jpg

MY (not so good at all illustrations on ms paint) drawings od a side view of ice rink arena if seating capacity is upgraded and it is in boxing mode...

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Great ideas Mo Rush! That seating should be able to be acheived without a doubt. I wonder what the current capacity is.

Yeah mo, but it seems Durbs wants to bid for the olympics or commonwealth games in the next few years.

The city is planning to have that new stadium complex out westville way and are developing a new tennis arena to replace westridge tennis complex. The new tennis complex is to be where the existing kings park soccer stadium is! A new multipurpose indoor arena for tennis, squash, badminton and those physical sports like judo... all can use the venue... but will be mainly for tennis and squash.

The Kings Park swimming arena is also being expanded and another pool added. The existing diving pool is to be improved too.

Also on the drawing board is plans for the future of the athletic stadium...

So u might be in for some competition :)

Yeah mo, but it seems Durbs wants to bid for the olympics or commonwealth games in the next few years.

The city is planning to have that new stadium complex out westville way and are developing a new tennis arena to replace westridge tennis complex. The new tennis complex is to be where the existing kings park soccer stadium is! A new multipurpose indoor arena for tennis, squash, badminton and those physical sports like judo... all can use the venue... but will be mainly for tennis and squash.

The Kings Park swimming arena is also being expanded and another pool added. The existing diving pool is to be improved too.

Also on the drawing board is plans for the future of the athletic stadium...

So u might be in for some competition :)

Thanks for all the information dysan, i have always been a a proponent and a strong one at that for a cape town olympic games not due to being biased as i reside in cape town but because perhaps i have visited joburg and durban numerous times to be able to make that decision and confirm what i believe. However on positive note we have reached or perhaps will soon reach a stage when South Africa's top three cities can compete against each other to host these large multi sport events and in my eyes that is something we should be proud of and can only be of the good to South Africa as a whole, i continue to realise that cape town is competing with its sisters and brothers and this sense of competition and bitter sweet rivalry shows how far we have come. Although in my opinion it would take time for durban to be reocgnized as a south african city internationally where cape town and joburg are reasonably well known, durban should not hold back in improving its facilties, i am a big fan of the westridge tennis complex mainly because i have watched some great tennis but also because it has "worked" if that makes sense. A new tennis centre would need to undergo a major feasibillity study, and if it is planned i am dying to see it as tennis is my favourite sport and i have played tennis matches in durban in those awesome conditions.

Have you perhaps got plans of your convention centre and what space is available to host indoor sports events, perhaps i should search for that myself. The area around the kings park stadium is one which for me has major potential as greenpoint has for cape town and the ellis park region has for joburg, unforunately and im sure you are tired of hearing me complain about our mayor but she is stunting our growth having spoken to 2 politicians and a uct law student and postgrade student who have significant knowledge regarding the running of our city, our mayor as gandalf has said is too preoccupied that our city is not black enough, for buddhas sake it is south africa's european city, durban has the awesome indian flavour and joburg has its own energy, its what makes our country unique , yes i agree with improving the lives of the poor with new projects for housing for informal settlers as this needs to be done sometime, BUT whats happening in AThlone the area we will present to the world in 2010, having driven past to "inspect" the facilties of the stadium and the surrounds i am dissappointed are those also not poor people who have struggled for ages???

Until she realises that cape town is sitting on a gold mine which if carefully mined will only bring success economically, socially and in many other ways, the extra wealth to cape town can then be used to further improve the lives of our poorer communities but not only the "black" communities and as racist as that may sound its the truth, 50% of cape town is coloured.

To conclude after going off the topic, durban needs to improve its international image and tourism firgures drastically before it is to become a reasonable competitor to cape town and joburg not in terms of infrastructure.

Yeah she does need to improve that image, but all things take time, it cant happen overnight, and i'm fully aware of that.

The same canbe said of cpae town at the moment. Her image internationally (esp in the UK/ireland and holland) is going thru a very rough patch. Many articles about the city in international tour planners are now labling the city a rip off, for its incredibly high prices and slowly deterioating infrastructure. A case in point is the vast difference i saw when i was in CT in Jan. The V&A is not the same place i remember from 2 years ago. Things dont sparkle there anymore. To me its not a great place anymore, its wavering on average. And the beggers put me off completely.

I dont know why, but the feeling i used to get when i arrived in CT was no longer there. I just didnt feel the same energy, positiveness and the like. most people i spoke to were rather negative.

The thing that pissed me off the most about CT was the price of things. It was ridiculous. I'm lucky in that i have a house there, so i didnt have to pay for accommodation, but just looking at the prices made me scream. I can get better accommodation in London for a cheaper price than CT offers. And meal prices! Have u guys gone mad!!!!!! I hardly think R130 for a steak and R20 for a beer is reasonable.

And people are begining to talk more about these things than any of the good things about the city. I'm a marketing student, and know that word of mouth is the most effective means of building or destroying a brand. And at the moment Cape Towns brand is being destroyed.

For the same price as my CT trip, if i had to pay for accomodation, i could have gone to London or Paris... Your city must watch that it isnt digging its own grave.

Oh about the convention centre... its all on there website...www.icc.co.za

The new expansions that are under way will provide us with a new indoor venue, capable of seating 6000 people for indoor sports events, and 10000 for concerts... that i guess would be very useful in any major sports event

Will try find out more for u mate :)

Yeah she does need to improve that image, but all things take time, it cant happen overnight, and i'm fully aware of that.

The same canbe said of cpae town at the moment. Her image internationally (esp in the UK/ireland and holland) is going thru a very rough patch. Many articles about the city in international tour planners are now labling the city a rip off, for its incredibly high prices and slowly deterioating infrastructure. A case in point is the vast difference i saw when i was in CT in Jan. The V&A is not the same place i remember from 2 years ago. Things dont sparkle there anymore. To me its not a great place anymore, its wavering on average. And the beggers put me off completely.

I dont know why, but the feeling i used to get when i arrived in CT was no longer there. I just didnt feel the same energy, positiveness and the like. most people i spoke to were rather negative.

The thing that pissed me off the most about CT was the price of things. It was ridiculous. I'm lucky in that i have a house there, so i didnt have to pay for accommodation, but just looking at the prices made me scream. I can get better accommodation in London for a cheaper price than CT offers. And meal prices! Have u guys gone mad!!!!!! I hardly think R130 for a steak and R20 for a beer is reasonable.

And people are begining to talk more about these things than any of the good things about the city. I'm a marketing student, and know that word of mouth is the most effective means of building or destroying a brand. And at the moment Cape Towns brand is being destroyed.

For the same price as my CT trip, if i had to pay for accomodation, i could have gone to London or Paris... Your city must watch that it isnt digging its own grave.

I agree with some of your points man and certainly think that adding more sparkle back to cape town is what is needed however i think this is perhaps a transition phase that cape town needs to go through, meaning i see all these cranes and planned developments coming through, what i think you will agree with me about is the beggars and how i totally go MAD when i cant even go to the greenpoint markets and do some shopping without being harassed by the horrible smelling beggars, and yes call me a snob but i am sick of them!!! I thus resort to constantia village, canal walk and many other places, i luv those parking attenedants who are paid to be there and they always friendly and smiling and cracking a joke with their black pants white shirts and colourful overthrows that make them stand out i really dont mind after having supper to pay them R10-R20 even if it was for a short while, in cape town you have this large market of people willing to pay exorbitant prices for service and that extra special quality and we wonder why woolies with their ridiculou food prices in some cases and almost boring clothes still make big big money, its because they pay attention to the custome and dont define their business as a food/clothing business but as a customer orienated business with itsmain focus on pleasing the customer, return an item and they fully refund you no questions asked, i myself am currently doing BUS210F whichis marketing and yes cape town needs to really really market itself more globally and perhaps more intensively, IMO its those very small things that make the difference perhaps some more tree leading into our city, cleaning up the roads with dying grass and rubble leading into the city, its those little things that leaving lasting effects with minimal cost, until our mayor realises this she will be assasinated in due time,

i must disagree with you saying that cape town has totally lost its energy that sizzle is still there and it still kicks durbans ass, hehe dont ask me ask all my uct friends from durban!!! some of our tutorials have 50-80% durbanites...

well vote for me for mayor to see real change (oh my word that sounds awful!!!)

BRB posting the kenilworth olympic equestrian centre soon!!

The Proposed Kenilworth Olympic Equestrian Centre will be developed as a tempoarary facility at Cape Towns oldest race course the Kenilworth Racecourse. The facility will allow for an equestrian facility to be incorporated into the area leaving a post olympic games legacy and strengthening the already rich cultural and sports history of the area especially related to horses.

The actual use of this venue and its surrounding space does pose some challenge in terms of priority in the area, meaning apart from the equine culture if i could call it that, the surrounding sports fields in my opinions are sed regularly for soccer cricket etc. and have for too long been left neglected, one cannot simply convert them to be used for equestrian when those facilites will not be needed post olympic games , so it is necessary to find a balance and finsd a way in which something amazing can happen to ensure both a fully functional and sustainable equestrian venue at the same time ensuring that the surrounding field and people benefit and are not simply used for the space the sports fields offer.

Although my idea is not finalised i would like to take a look at what is specifically required for an olympic equestrian facility, by looking at the following images of both the athens and sydney olympic equestrian facilties:

http://www.abc.net.au/reslib/200408/r26562_65830.jpg

http://www.equestrian-centre.com.au/resource/SIEC_b_1.jpg

THE FACILITIES OFFERED IN ATHENS:

The Markopoulo Olympic Equestrian Centre will host all Equestrian events, with a total capacity of 8,000 seats for Dressage, 10,000 seats for Jumping and 15,000 standing spectators for Eventing. It is a purpose-built venue, in view of the 2004 Olympic Games.The construction has been divided in two phases.The overall construction will be completed in December 2003.
The Markopoulo Olympic Equestrian Centre is located at Markopoulo, in the East Attica region, 43km from the Olympic Village.

Facilities at the Markopoulo Olympic Equestrian Centre

Field of Play Two main arenas will host the Dressage competition, the Jumping competition as well as the Dressage and Jumping test of the Eventing competition.The surface of the Dressage arena will be all-weather sand and the surface of the Jumping arena will be grass. The Eventing Park will be used for the Eventing cross-country competition.

Equipment

The equipment to be used at the Markopoulo Olympic Equestrian Centre, such as Jumping fences, cross-country fences, Dressage arena markers and fencing, as well as stabling equipment, will be purpose-built for the needs of the Olympic Games.

Stables

There will be 290 permanent barn-type indoor stables of 14m2 each, 3.5m wide by 4m long. The stables will be in blocks consisting of 62-64 boxes each.They will be under security on a 24-hour basis.

Horse Services

A fully equipped farrier services compound and a saddle and equipment repair compound will be located in the stables’ area, to provide services on a daily basis.

Grooms’ Accommodation

The Grooms’ Village will be located near the stables’ area.

Feed and Bedding Distribution Centre A Feed and Bedding Storage and Distribution Desk will be located in the stables’ area.

Veterinary Facilities

Veterinary facilities will be available, adjacent to the stable area and will nclude a fully equipped permanent equine hospital with surgical, diagnostic and examination facilities, treating stable, a permanent medication control unit with 4 boxes and a service area.A veterinary commission office will also be available in the hospital.There will be four isolation loose boxes away from the veterinary hospital.

Mixed Zone

The mixed zone is an area where accredited media will be allowed to conduct hort interviews immediately after athletes have competed.Athletes must pass hrough the mixed zone to exit the field of play and they are requested to cooperate and to peak with press or broadcasters.

Athletes’ and Team Officials’ Lounge

A lounge will be available for athletes and Team Officials. It will be open uring all competition and training sessions.

durban does tend to take over uct... i used to do bus sci there myself! :)

the club and nitelife vibe is there... but i still feel that it aint the same place i used to think it was.

Mo Rush, you leave all the guesswork out of it for us. :( I dont have any questions. Kensington seems great is about all I can say. :) Cant something be done about Madam Bovine? I mean if she's really that unpopular, why is she still in office?

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EDIT: Make that Kenilworth. Not Kensington. Hmmmmmm.............. I wonder why Kensington is on my mind lately?

The region ecnlosed by the white line indicates the area i would make available for the use of the equestrian centre,

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view from kenilworth racecourse

http://www.capetownskies.com/1132/22_snow_hh_rcrsec.jpg

http://www.airpix.co.za/images/gallery/i/DSC02645.JPG


The area between the racecourse will provide over enough area for the three main areas needed, the dressage, showjumping, exhibition areas etc, the views from this racecourse would also add to the beauty, temporary seating of about 25,000 can be built for the main arena,other temp solutions can be found for the other facilities, surrounding field would provide space for stables and other amenities, the racecourse is centrally located and would prove a popular choice for the local equestrian fans instead of having to travel as far as klapmuts to watch the event, this provides a more compact venue layout and at lower cost,


Spectacular views and water "Features" at the existing racecourse, upgrades to the grandstands and seating pavillions already exist would only improve the legacy of this venue, at a minimal cost one is provided with a sustainable venue that will continue to be used and benefit the surrouding areas, if an indoor centre for one event is to be constructed as sydney did then it could either continue use as a equestrian centre or be used by the surrounding sports clubs for indoor sports and training. The seating and grandstand of the 25,000 seater main arena to be situated in the middle of open space racecouse would be dismantled after the games and be rebuilt at the nearby soccer club providing top notch facilties to the previously disadvantaged sports clubs. Also as the fields surrounding including the youngfield military base would be used as an area to construct the stables during the games, when they are removed the communities will receive new sports fields of international quality.



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^^^ Stunning pics - awesome. I hope that there is snow again this year. Have you thought about alternative venues for places like Ysterplaat and Wingfield ?, they will become low cost housing areas.

Yes i am unfortonately not given a choice so i really have to think about alternatives and this already makes me angry but we need to perhaps start looking at certain functional spaces for one or two venues rather than a entire olympic park or cluster of venues,When we look at the Paris 2012 model it has used an excellent approach IMO and this from a city and country that can afford to build many indoor arenas and new sports stadia, however in some ways their bid is very modest with a true feel for what sustainability means,

i dont pretend to be the know all of reaching a balance between sustainability and cost effectiveness but what paris 2012 proposes are SEVEN pavillions to host the main indoor sports, five of them are located in a cluster with a central avenue or park like area, all of these pavillions can be dismantled and rebuilt elsewhere which is a major plus however this does not mean they are not solid or high class facilties they are just not long term permanent venues, so sports such as weightlifting, volleyball, judo taekwondo,table tennis, badminton etc. are all hosted in these pavillions which cover the indoor sports section at least 70% of the way, now cape town could certainly do this at greenpoint with perhas four or 5 indoor pavillions such as these making use of the greenpoint common thus allowing for perhaps a main stadium to be either built at greenpoint common as well meaning more rigorous planning in terms of the layout, more likely the golf course and the cricket clubs land would need to be used in order for greenpoint common to have a reasonable amount of venues, this leaves us with more pressure regarding the other venues, they would now be more scattered around making for a less compact venue layout, i do however think that there is quite a large strip of land leading into the city from where the swart river crosses the N1 until the city around culemborg, i think its central accessible as it is situated along train lines, BUT as you mentioned earlier this land will also be used for low cost housing ( so now im going to get our my knife and stab the mayoress). but it would if planned and laid out well be a succesful initiative and provide much needed development and improvement to that area...

So.. this leaves us with a massive task... where on earth would we then situate the IBC and MPC which i know cannot be situated too far from the main stadium and not too far from the olympic village either unless its around a cluster of venues, so u know what, we'll just plonk the IBC and MPC on top of our mayoress' head, also the olympic village would then need to be constructed somewhere???

gandalf you would need to give me time to reconfigure the venue list because at the moment it still assumes a wingfield olympic park, but ill take it as a challenge and find out from my uncle what will happen to wingfield, culemborg,greenpoint etc.i bet they will also have problems with greenpoint as it would not give back to the poor and only improve the lives of the wealthy and its too far from the informal settlements and its not black enough!! give me a break already, the olympic park will officially be buillt in phillip east!!! im sure that will make our fat bitch of a mayor very happy!

OTHERWISE gandalf although it costs money and its not a favourite of the IOC but a man-made island is a possibility or some underground tunnel and road link to robben island which could serve as the olympic park area....!!!

The beautiful views and scenery of the olympic regatta centre.

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THE VISION:

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COAST AND CITY ZONE:

Archery, Robben Island
Castle of Good Hope, Fencing
Good Hope Centre, Table Tennis
CTICC - Weightlifting and Wrestling'
Triathlon, Granger Bay

As wingfield can no longer be used as the site for the olympic park, greenpoint seems like an excellent yet smaller area, however, the entire area including all the sports fields and the golf course as well as the local cricket clubs fields would need to be used if a functional and sustainable (spacious) cluster of venues is to be situated here.

Upon a very brief look at the size of the area, two important issues arise, as the olympic village was to be located at the wingfield site before, the olympic village in my opinion should be built at the current location of the metropolitan golf course, i haev no doubt that if good quality accomodation which is a neccessary requirement by the IOC is constructed, that there will definitely be no issue with having to sell the apartments post olympic games, however problems do arise as the housing shortage would need to be adequately addressed before one builds new apartments as we all know unless the city's actual needs are met that there certainly wont be any support for new housing in a high middle - high income area. However greenpoint does bring along its own pro's in terms of its amazing views and amazing location, prob will be the most beauitul olympic park EVER, also its location in terms of the waterfront, BUT accessibility could be an issue unless CT station receives the neccessary upgrade to ensure that it can handle the large capacity of people during a particular time, also a very reliable and fast shuttle service would then need to be used to ensure that spectators can easily reach greenpoint from the train station, other suggestions by my friends have been made to perhaps look into the constructing of the olympic village at District six but by the time cape town hosts the olympic games houses would have already been built there,

So overall in terms of size of the greenpoint common area and allowing for large spectator areas, media facilities etc. to be realistic, the greenpoint stadium could remain in place as an excellent warm up athletic area, a new stadium , aquatic centre, tennis centre and one indoor hall would be adequate for it to be seen as an olympic park, although the site is not particularly large the IOC do like the idea of clusters of venuess....

more later i got a lecture now

THE VIEW/VISION FROM GREENPOINT OLYMPIC PARK:

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A Cape Town Games will not take place in Summer, they will take place in our Spring. The temperature during this time is around 20 degrees Centigrade, and will not exceed about 24.WHAT TRAFFIC IN CAPE TOWN!!! I mean really, Cape Town has been praised by the IOC for its "excellent transport plan". Crime is a problem, but then how did Atlanta and LA get the games??? Experience shows that crime decreases due to increased security and policing during the games. The candidature has also been praised for its anti-crime plan, which will benefit Cape Town for years. How can you say Cape Town is a "less than ideal candidate". Cape Town is the best place for the Games. Where will the games revolutionize a continent? Where are the GAMES taught in schools to be a major project to revolutionize the country? Where will an Olympic Games unite a country more? Where will the Athletes be hosted in the most beautiful place on earth

The answer is Cape Town. It is time the Olympics came to Africa. It is time
the Olympic rings stood for what they represented. It is time the founder of
the modern Olympic movement, Baron de Courbetan's 1923 dream of an Africa
Olympics was realized. "for 27 years we dreamed the impossible dream.
Freedom. Now we have a new dream. The Olympics. Cape Town 2004" Nelson
Mandela.

SOUTH AFRICA:
At the beginning of this year the National Olympic Committee of South
Africa (NOCSA) announced that they would be bidding for the 2004
Olympics for a South African city. Early next year NOCSA will decide on
behalf of which of the SA cities they will make a bid in 1997. Three
cities here expressed interest and there is currently a mini battle
raging for the honours.

They are:
- Johannesburg
- Durban
- Cape Town

JOHANNESBURG: Being the largest city, they have the best infrastructure
capable of hosting the olympics. Their transport networks are best
(although not brilliant by international standards) and so far have the
best sport facilities.
BUT, Jo'burg doesn't have much to show in the line of tourism and its a
rather dull city with a LOT of mine dumps. Another factor against them is
the altitude - 2000 metres. This will definitely make an impact on the
results, especially the throwing events! I am not too sure though wether
this will count against them, since I have heard that Mexico City (another
high altitude city) has hosted the Olympics before.

DURBAN: This seaside resort-city has the best infrastructure in the line
of hotels etc, a popular summer destination among South Africans. Also,
being the busiest port, the infrastructure is also good.

CAPE TOWN: The 2nd largest city has, I feel, the greatest chance for
hosting the Olympics. Firstly - it's by far the most attractive!
Nestled at the foot of Table Mountain and placed at the corner of Africa
on "the fairest cape in the whole circumference of the earth" according
to Sir Francis Drake, Cape Town will make a great backdrop to the XXVIII
Olympiad. Cape Town ranks among the prettiest of the world's ports : Rio
de Janeiro, Sydney, Seville, San Fransisco and Hong Kong. It has the
most history; by far the most culture; and is the most vibrant of the 3
cities. Cape Town is the greatest foreign tourist destination - the
only reason its not as popular as Durban among locals is that its more
distant from the population hubs of the Transvaal. The city has seen a
huge tourism revival in the past few years due to the opening of SA's
doors to the world. Cape Town is now the fastest growing city in terms
of wealth in SA. Probably most importantly - Cape Town has the greatest
stability of the SA cities. Although there is a crime and violence
problem it is nowhere near the levels experienced by Johannesburg and
Durban. I am sure, though, that the political problems will stabilise
long before 2004.

Cape Town has also proposed sites for the Olympic villages, and it is
expected that the distance between venues will be relatively small.
CT also enjoys the greatest financial sponsorship of the 3 cities.
Another small thing: CT has a mediterranean climate which means that we
have winter-rainfall, whereas Durban gets summer rainfall - quite a lot of
it. So, Cape Town will be dry during the Olympics!

I realise that, being a Capetonian, I am biased toward my own city.
I have attempted though to portray the situation in the most objective
way. I am aware that I do not know everything about Durban and
Johannesburg's bids. After much discussion though it is generally felt in
Cape Town that we have the greatest chance of the 3 cities.

Concluding, after next years vote, whichever city wins will have to go up
against the best in the world. I'm not too thrilled at the thought of
having to compete against Beijing and Berlin. But, its worth a try.
And, if SA does win, then we will be the first African nation AND the
first nation in the so-called "Southern 3rd-world" to host the Olympics.
Hopefully the politics of the IOC might work in our favour.

Brendan Coulson
Geology Department, University of Cape Town
Cape Town
South Africa

SOUTH AFRICA:
Probably most importantly - Cape Town has the greatest
stability of the SA cities. Although there is a crime and violence
problem it is nowhere near the levels experienced by Johannesburg and
Durban. I am sure, though, that the political problems will stabilise
long before 2004

Just on the crime issue... maybe back then did CT have less crime than Durbs and Jozi, but i know that crime here is far less than in CT and Jozi now...

I know u wont believe my word, so i am off to find the stats to prove it right now :)

oh dont worry i made it clear that thsoe articles refferred to 1997

http://www.iss.co.za/PUBS/MONOGRAPHS/No23/Perceptions.html

Just a thought: how bout we name some "possible olympic venues" after top sportspersons
e.g. heyns national aquatic centre, thugwane olympic marathon route, curren olympic tennis centre, amanda coetzer (court no. one), mugabe indoor stadium

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ATHLETICS, CAPE TOWN OLYMPIC STADIUM
TRACK AND FIELD
CAPACITY: 85,000

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Olympic Stadium with warm-up track and Olympic Superbowl adjacent.

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GYMNASTICS (artistic) BASKETBALL FINALS,CAPE TOWN OLYMPIC SUPERBOWL
CAPACITY: 17,500

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AQUATICS (swimming,diving,synchronized swimming,water polo finals)
CAPE TOWN INTERNATIONAL AQUATIC CENTRE
CAPACITY: 17,000


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ROWING AND CANOEING
OLYMPIC REGGATTA AND WHITEWATER CENTRE, ZEEKOEVLEI
CAPACITY: 25,000

http://www.airpix.co.za/images/gallery/a/DSC02993.JPG

http://img56.exs.cx/img56/6907/85wo.jpg

http://img77.exs.cx/img77/8638/zeekoevleiplan2ih.gif

EQUESTRIAN
OLYMPIC EQUESTRIAN CENTRE KENILWORTH
CAPACITY: 30,000


http://www.aro.co.za/IMAGES/COURSES/KENIL1.gif

http://www.aro.co.za/IMAGES/COURSES/KENIL2.gif

http://img116.exs.cx/img116/9525/equestrianarea5wp.jpg

WEIGHLIFTING AND WRESTLING
CAPE TOWN INTERNATIONAL CONVENTION CENTRE
CAPACITY: 5,000 each (HALL 1+2 and HALL 3+4)

http://digicam.co.za/gallery/data/media/50/DSC03055.jpg

http://www.revelfox.co.za/images/cticc.jpg

http://www.acitravel.co.za/dbimages/CTICCPIC.jpg

HOCKEY
OLYMPIC HOCKEY CENTRE, HARTLEYVALE
CAPACITY: 15,000 (main competition field) 5,000 (secondary field)

http://www.nuhc.co.uk/NUHC_Annual_Easter_Tour_files/hart5.jpg

http://www.fintrex.co.za/pics/capetown.jpg

http://www.nuhc.co.uk/NUHC_Annual_Easter_Tour_files/gb21.jpg

http://www.nuhc.co.uk/NUHC_Annual_Easter_Tour_files/BM7.JPG

BASEBALL
NEWLANDS OLYMPIC BASEBALL CENTRE
CAPACITY: 25,000

http://www.aerialphoto.co.za/images/cricketstadium.jpg

http://www.capeweddings.co.za/contracts/newlands_cricket_caterers/sunset_newlands.jpg

http://www.symbolworld.org/Bits+bobs/aboutme/03/3_4/cricket/Newlands.gif

WATER POLO AND SYNCHRONIZED SWIMMING (prelims)
NEWLANDS AQUATIC CENTRE
CAPACITY: 5,000

http://www.airpix.co.za/images/gallery/i/DSC07433.JPG
visible in the top right hand corner

http://img90.exs.cx/img90/5837/dwf156440796av.jpg

Planned roof covering system:

http://www.savioli.it/A-Savona-1r.JPG

http://www.savioli.it/A-Savona-3r.JPG

http://www.savioli.it/A-Savona-4r.JPG

Very nice but i have a personal question? in montreal they built the olympic stadium which costs them nearly 1 or 2 billion and now they lost 2 billion because every year the ceiling collapses.... (not badly built but because the snow and the ice make a lot of damage) but the problem lies in the locals who dont pay attention to the stadium and arent interested in doing sports there. My point is after the olympics! will the locals continue using the stadium for their own and personal reasons? making it active and have activities there? i hope so because its a wonderful facility that shouldn't go to waste!

FENCING
CASTLE OF GOOD HOPE
CAPACITY: 5,500


http://img28.exs.cx/img28/2448/dsc03783lg9bd.jpg

http://img102.exs.cx/img102/4533/1513469018177zm.jpg

JUDO AND TAEKWONDO
BELHAR SPORTS CENTRE
CAPACITY: 8,000


http://img36.exs.cx/img36/5433/belhar014tz.jpg

VOLLEYBALL AND BADMINTON
PROPOSED CAPE TOWN EXHIBITION CENTRE
MAIN HALL (VOLLEYBALL) CAPACITY: 12,000
HALL TWO (BADMINTON CAPACITY: 6,000

http://img227.exs.cx/img227/259/copyofoval071gl.jpg

BASKETBALL (prelims)
PHILLIPI EAST SPORTS CENTRE
CAPACITY: 10,000

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/neubau/sportarena/Oldenburg_01.jpg

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_arenen/templates/neubau/sportarena/Oldenburg_02.jpg


BOXING
OLYMPIC BOXING,MEW WAY COMMUNITY CENTRE/GRAND WEST INDOOR ARENA
CAPACITY: 8/10,000

http://img95.exs.cx/img95/5158/session16lr.jpg


BEACH VOLLEYBALL
OLYMPIC BEACH VOLLEYBALL STADIUM, CAMPS BAY
CAPACITY: 12,000

http://img183.exs.cx/img183/3481/bondibeachvolleyball0vf.gif

http://img33.exs.cx/img33/5135/20896421capetown52qn.jpg

http://img200.exs.cx/img200/4421/16998864img278beachvolleyballb.jpg

MODERN PENTATHLON
STELLENBOSCH OLYMPIC MODERN PENTATHLON CENTRE
CAPACITY: Swimming (4,000)
Fencing (4,000)
Cross Country (not fixed)
Shooting (5,000)
Equestrian (15,000)

http://img203.exs.cx/img203/53/aerialstellenboschpentathlonce.gif

http://img227.exs.cx/img227/6255/stlb019fo.jpg

CYCLING (track)
BELLVILLE VELODROME
CAPACITY: 6,000

http://www.viewbyview.com/assets/images/CT.1.300.jpg

http://www.viewbyview.com/assets/images/CT.2.1.jpg

http://www.isf.co.za/s2.jpg

http://www.brownbuilt.co.za/applications/images/siterolling01.jpg

FOOTBALL VENUES:

PRELIMS:

GREENPOINT STADIUM (30,000) also used as athletics warm up area

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/africa/south_africa/western_cape/cape_town_greenpoint.jpg

http://www.stadiumguide.com/nuovocomunale6.jpg

http://www.stadiumguide.com/nuovocomunale5.jpg


ATHLONE STADIUM (45,000)

http://www.worldstadiums.com/stadium_pictures/africa/south_africa/western_cape/cape_town_athlone.jpg

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1890000/images/_1892845_misaki_stadium_kobe.jpg

SOCCER CITY (95,000)

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/suedafrika/soccer_city/100.jpg

PORT ELIZABETH STADIUM (50,000)

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/suedafrika/port_elizabeth_stadium/100.jpg

FINALS:

CAPE TOWN OLYMPIC STADIUM (85,000)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/olmedia/1575000/images/_1576615_brumstadium300.jpg
(in soccer mode)

NEWLANDS RUGBY STADIUM (50,000)

http://www.stadionwelt.de/stadionwelt_stadien/templates/stadionlisten/suedafrika/newlands/100.jpg

SAILING
SIMONS TOWN
CAPACITY: 20,000

http://www.kilp.dsl.pipex.com/kilp20/capetown/simons_town_01.jpg

ARCHERY
OLYMPIC ARCHERY CENTRE, ROBBEN ISLAND
CAPACITY: 5,000


http://www.xrystal.co.za/Images/ind_aerial09.jpg

SOFTBALL
OLYMPIC SOFTBALL PARK, TURFHALL
CAPACITY: 8,000

http://img224.exs.cx/img224/7679/stadium23to.jpg

http://img224.exs.cx/img224/817/thallatnight0qz.jpg

TABLE TENNIS
OLYMPIC TABLE TENNIS HALL, GOOD HOPE CENTRE
CAPACITY: 6,000

http://img196.exs.cx/img196/636/fm0024150ek.jpg

http://img213.exs.cx/img213/2523/aa0059491ac.jpg

http://img204.exs.cx/img204/5482/gooropecenter3oa.jpg

I think its great. The venues seem well thought out.

SHOOTING
OLYMPIC SHOOOTING CENTRE, YOUNGsFIELD MILITARY BASE(or other suitable venue)
CAPACITY: 5,000

http://img123.exs.cx/img123/4709/shootingcentre5fs.gif

SLALOM
OLYMPIC REGGATTA AND WHITEWATER CENTRE
CAPACITY: 10,000

http://img212.exs.cx/img212/9742/whitewatercentre0ue.jpg

Friday, April 01, 2005

IOC Could Involve Public In Future Olympic Bid Decisions
Posted 12:10 am ET (GamesBids.com)

A source close to the International Olympic Committee told GamesBids.com that there may soon be further overhauls to the host city selection process that could be discussed as early as the next IOC session in Singapore on July 6.

“There have been major changes to the Olympic bid selection process since the IOC Ethics commission was appointed in 1999 and although the changes have been positive the process is now unnecessarily cumbersome and further changes are desired” the source explained.

“Since bid committees already market to the general public both locally and internationally, there has been an interest in giving the public some say in the decision process. The opinions of Olympic fans are important since they’re buying the tickets and merchandise, watching the Games on television and patronizing Olympic sponsors.”

One idea describes a worldwide election that chooses from among two or three candidates that have been selected by the existing evaluation commission, and are technically qualified. Technology already exists to handle this kind of international public election.

The televised “Idol” singing competitions with various regional spin-offs such as Britain’s “Pop Idol”, “American Idol” and “Australian Idol” are models being examined closely. For those shows viewers are able to use toll-free telephone numbers and mobile phone text messaging capabilities to cast their ballots. Each device is limited to one vote.

In 2003 “World Idol” was the international version that polled 11 countries to find a winner. In that contest each country used voting technology that they were familiar with to come up with a national favorite. Then, the results from all of the countries were combined to determine an overall winner

Polling technology is advancing quickly and more countries will have access to it in the near future making this plan not only achievable, but realistic. Soon, the whole process could be handled by the Internet.

Under this model, National Olympic Committees would be responsible for managing the elections in their country, and those with candidates on the ballot wouldn’t have a vote.

“Since the IOC evaluators will pre-qualify the candidates, there is no risk of electing a City that isn’t capable. The public will be able to choose their favorite destination and this will increase the odds of a successful Games.”

Taking the selection process out of the hands of the IOC members will not happen easily – but it could lead to a more equitable selection process. Bids in the past have been plagued by corruption and scandals, and the whole process is said to be politically motivated and not based on technical evaluations.

“I think the bid organizers would appreciate this change, they’ll know exactly what they have to do and who they are dealing with. And involving the public will help increase interest levels and ultimately benefit the Olympic movement” explained the source.

using a voting system like that may make the whole process a 'who's your mate' competition and turn it into the farce that is the EUROVISION SONG contest

HAPPY APRIL FOOLS DAY DYSAN hehe gullible!

:)

READ the YOU magazine and see that we spending trillions on weapons and jets so we should sell all of them and host the olympic games instead:
This is a great idea i think we could adopt from the new york 2012 bid, its very simple idea but cuts down on venue requirements, new york proposes that its velodrome which is at max used for four of the 16 days for competition doubles up as a venue for badminton or a similar indoor sport: If Cape Town is to consider hosting the olympic games it should definitely use this idea,if its good enough for a world class city such as new york then we should definitely use the idea, instead of building a separate venue, half of the funds can be added to refursbishing the already exisent velodrome by perhaps adding a new roof and making the facilties world -class...therefore costs are saved, and can be spent elsewhere on building a better olympic stadium, and aquatic centre, or IMO would be better spent on the improving of the training venues that would be built in communities around cape town as this is really where major investment is needed.

http://img95.exs.cx/img95/796/badmintonvelodrome8wb.gif

GREAT idea. :) Now do u have any pics of the athletes village Mo Rush? Been mulling over some designs for such. I mean, stylewise it should be original, but not gaudy or fake. So i was thinking about laying the housing blocks around a plazza/piazza and maybe canals? But of course, the site at greenpoint certainly is large enough to accomadate all this right? It would just be a little trouble to configure a proper functional form to fit within the site. The proposed site for the Athletes village is generally a triangle no?

AWFul athens 2004 village:

http://www.sportsvenue-technology.com/projects/olympic2004/images/olympics_village2004_01.jpg

my idea:

http://www.jycportfolio.com/prof2/olympic/l_olympic2.jpg

http://www.jycportfolio.com/prof2/olympic/l_olympic3.jpg

other ideas:

http://www.london.gov.uk/images/mayor/olympics/slides/olympic_village.jpg

http://www.nfisykkel.no/sistenytt/Files/6/olympic_village_21-06.jpg

http://www.autodesk.com/dyf/images/olympicvillage.jpg

http://olympic.bjinvest.gov.cn/english/images/en_03_v.jpg

The main idea is to create a forest living quarter amids the Olympic Park. The two roads – the east-west axis to the north of the base and the south-north axis in the middle of the base – will be turned to submerging auto roads. Thus the Olympic Village will be integrated into the 700 ha forest park and build a most remarkable living quarter and an eternal sign of the Olympic history.

The Olympic Village will be divided into 5 zones in the south-north and east-west axes. Alongside the north-south axis are planned central Olympic services and commercial walking streets, and connected to the Olympic Park, the Olympic Village and the Academy of Science to the south. The flag-raising square and the international area will naturally extend to the park. The terminal of the axis is a 6000 m2 round square for Olympic flag-raising ceremony, facing the spacious park, and expressing the integration of culture and the nature.

The east-west direction is a green water axis, introducing vegetation and water to make it the main green ecological belt of the Olympic Village and provide for the multiple functions for the rest of the people. The 4 zones around the greenery belt are pure living quarters. In front of the lift halls, semi-outdoor scenery garden are designed. Spacious balconies are also designed, introducing natural scenes. Dynamic streams are designed for the people and automobile traffic segregation. Intelligent living quarter concept is adopted to demonstrate the potential of advanced living environments.


http://olympic.bjinvest.gov.cn/english/images/en_04_v.jpg

The “Cultural Axis” of the Olympic Park reflects 5000 years of brilliant culture of China. “Dragon” forms the water system, represents modern interpretation of Chinese culture. Likewise, the planning and design concept of the Olympic Village also comes from ancient Chinese legends, and it is closely linked to the modern sustainable development strategy. As an extension of the Olympic Park, the Olympic Village seeks a balance between the part and now, natural and development, and China and the world.

Dragon Spirit: Green Olympics.
Olympic village overall plan: the wind or better known as the dragon spirit and the spirit of life are reflected within the design of the Olympic village. The five Olympic rings have been expanded into beautiful waves to achieve Chinese traditional curves. The design uses very advanced technology, yet is environmentally friendly with sustainable growth concept, thus achieving the ideal of harmony of wind and dragon within the lake.

“Dragon pearl”: People’s Olympics.
Traditionally, a pearl is often pictured in the dragon’s mouth, symbolizing the power of the dragon over life. Flags are to be raised every day in the round plaza, which symbolizes the dragon pearl.
In Chinese fairytales, dragons often searching for the pearl. It could be interpreted as the people’s pursuit of their highest potential. This connects with the Olympic spirit: Higher, Faster and Stronger. The dragon pearl symbolizes that the Olympic movement is platform for athletes from all over the world to achieve and recognize sports achievements, and further shows to the world the Chinese cultural spirit.
“Auspicious clouds”: High-tech Olympics.
The roof, shaped like clouds, is covered with high-tech green solar-panels showing its use of clean energy. It thus portrays both a garden in the sky and auspicious clouds. The building thus becomes a natural sight in Nature.

The Olympic village: built “in the mouth of the Dragon”, represents the ideal spirit of the 29th Olympics to be hold in Beijing sporting spirit. It has a cultural connotation, and portrays both high-technology and environmental friendliness. At the same time, it is a new interpretation of the Chinese culture in a new dimension.



http://olympic.bjinvest.gov.cn/english/images/en_05_v.jpg

The Olympic village design combines international residential design and city planning, and represents environmental ideals. It surrounds the idea ‘people with people, and people with nature’, so that they can all live together harmoniously. It represents thousands of years of Chinese traditions.


Satisfying the Olympics functions, the Olympic village layout uses the “Double Happiness” Chinese character to achieve a very high-quality living area. At the same time, both after-game sales and market needs have been carefully considered.
It is hoped that after the games, the Olympic Village area will become fully integrated into the Beijing area. There is a “sight corridor” between the central Olympic area and the Forest, thus joining simultaneously the forest Park, the wetland, and the human living area. A safety passage has also been provided for wildlife. This reflects “Green Olympics”.

The Olympic Village exploits the highest technology available. Use of solar panels, exploitation of the ground heat, use of recycled water, environmental friendly and materials and reusable energy and an elaborate digital network all reflect “High-Tech” Olympics.

In consideration of both the needs of the athletes and the long-term inhabitants, the Olympic Village central area’s is designed to be a folly accessible community area, to represent the ideal of the “People’s Olympics”.