This is not want you want, but what you think.

Do you think NY will ever have 80+ Story buildings again?

You bet your ass it will.

Economics demand it.

But most of the time supertalls arent economical.


But lets hope us new yorkers entirely run out of space lol. (Which would be a bad thing for most of us)

Obviously yes, but why equate skyscraper floors with the term supertall? These days even 50 story towers could reach 1000+ feet (BOA/NY Times Towers.)

I'm still waiting for Trump to build something taller than Trump World Tower in the city, yea I know he's building Trump Place, but we could use another new tall tower from him.

He's doing it in Chicago and Toronto.

^^^ Yes, I find it impossible that Trump himself would have his own tallest somewhere other than NYC.

Yes, I honestly do think so.
Now 'when?' is another question, we've had quite a lot of new projects, but demand will most probably only grow, and since this is NYC we're talking about, I can see within 10 years talks about a new supertall

Yes. A few years ago Pfizer wanted an 86 story tower, but the Community Boards got all pissy and made sure that nothing bigger than 70 stories gets built. The tower I believe has been approved, but a powerplant on the site needs to be demolished first.

I'm frankly surprised that Trump hasn't announced anything yet. He had a *perfect* opportunity on the finale of the Apprentice, since it was only a few days since the Westside rezoning, and think off all the free publicity he wouldv'e gotten.
I am sure that he will take advantage of this zoning to make his tallest (and possibly the world's tallest). He had so many proposals in the 90's for a WTB, but all got shot down..

Supertalls are usually defined as greater than 1000 feet; there are many a proposal that will surpass that as of now. In fact, 3 are under construction at the moment: the freedom tower :bash: ,the Bank of America Tower, and the New York Times Tower. :cheers:

One word: Yes.

BOA and NY times are only 1000' with the spires.

I'm really sad about that pfizer proj. We coulda had an 1100 footer. :bash:


Jhouse, Trump tried to build a 2000' building in Chicago but as soon as the Towers came down the plan was scrapped and here we are today with the 1125 foot Trump It'l. Trumps next tallest is the TWT in NY. or 40 wall street (Which is called the trump building)

Sure, she may be over half a century old, but she was a supertall when Hong Kong was nothing but a thin crust of settlements clinging to some rocks.

uberyes to the blatantly obvious question: Will new york ever see supertalls again?

I dont think it's blatanly obvious.


NY seems to be scared of going high, look at every project thats shortened.


I should have made it 100 floors instead of 80. Lets see how many votes that would get.

I accidentally voted no. :doh:

Yes NY will see more supertalls.

What kind of time frame are we talking about here? I'm sure NYC will build at least one 80s building sometime between now and rapture, but in the next 10 years? I don't know. It seems that, commercial developers at least, don't want to build big. I mean, how much bigger could Goldman Sachs have been? Even exluding trading floors?

I hope NYC builds tall again soon, but I fear the will isn't there. At least not right now. It's a real shame, NYC is getting a table-top look, hardly befitting the best skyline in the world.

I wouldnt say table top...thats going a bit far.


As soon as BOA, FT, 80SS, The east river, westside, Gehry, WTC get going things will be much better.

BOA isn't goint to break through the table, neither will half the WTC. The Westside has promis though, as do two of those LM proposals. I dread what Gehry's tower will look like, though.

With Dubai building an endless amount of towers, at a profit, hopefully some American developers will take note and remember how profitable these skyscraper

NYC is the home of skyscrapers, both due to geographic limits (island with only so much room, and the only room is UP) and man's ego. Man will always have a fascination with a much taller and bigger building, and there will always be a fascination with who can achieve the "tallest in the world." Although you do become less efficient over 70 floors, developers will strive to be the "next world's tallest," and NYC is the natural first choice to do so.

Once, NYC will have the tallest building in the world again

Yes

Yes it will have more supertalls,no doubt

Yes (http://www.gothamist.com/archives/2006/01/30/architects_gone.php)

What the hell kind of a question is that? Yes to the fullest -

OF COURSE!! DUHHH!!! New york's super tall building days are far from over.

God I sure hope so!

New York defined the skyline and skyscrapers and I wouldn't doubt seeing supertalls in the future. New York can still challenge Hong Kong in this game :D

of course!

But I hope NY's skyline won't be like the one in the movie "5th Element" :D

Definitely, in the next decade for sure!

dude, fifth element rocked. and yes i do believe they will return to new york in the future

I sure hope so!

dude, fifth element rocked. and yes i do believe they will return to new york in the future

The movie was dope but I wouldn't wanna see something like that for NY's skyline!

The problem is the so-called family of the victims of 9/11. :badnews:

They seem to object to skyscrapers on the "sacred ground" of the former Twin Towers.

Those victims hijacked the city of New York, much the way those planes were hijacked on 9/11.

There is not a single project in the works for a 1,400+ foot tower in New York.

Pathetic!

Especially for the city that practically invented the skyscraper.

The problem is the so-called family of the victims of 9/11. :badnews:

They seem to object to skyscrapers on the "sacred ground" of the former Twin Towers.

Those victims hijacked the city of New York, much the way those planes were hijacked on 9/11.

There is not a single project in the works for a 1,400+ foot tower in New York.

Pathetic!

Especially for the city that practically invented the skyscraper.

This is going a little too far my friend. I agree the families are overly protective but were talking about something that happened less than five years ago. It is going to take time for New Yorkers to become comfortable again with anything above a thousand feet. I don't believe the families of 9/11 ended the height craze, thats ridiculous it was 9/11 itself that ended the push for supertalls. They are beautiful but practical anymore? Not sure. Surely though New York will punch through by 2010 with a new supertall but I gurantee nothing will be built inhabitable above 1000'.

I agree the families are overly protective


Other cities are building supertalls, after 9/11.
They are not afraid, why should New York be any different?

So, if the Sears Tower in Chicago (the tallest in the United States) had been destroyed, would that end the era of supertalls in Chicago?

I certainly hope not!

I don't believe the families of 9/11 ended the height craze, thats ridiculous it was 9/11 itself that ended the push for supertalls. They are beautiful but practical anymore? Not sure.

It was not 9/11 - look around and open your eyes while other cities are building supertalls.

Why must New York simply stop?

Skyscrapers continue to rise in New York, but they are all average height.

*sigh*

It was not 9/11 - look around and open your eyes while other cities are building supertalls.

Why must New York simply stop?

Skyscrapers continue to rise in New York, but they are all average height.

*sigh*

Other cities are not building them as high anymore, for example the Trump tower here in Chicago pre 9/11 was supposed to be around 150 floors high but after 9/11 it was cut to only 90 floors so to imply 9/11 has not affected the pursuit of height elsewhere is not all true. But I do agree New York seems leery.

No one has mentioned this yet but keep in mind we were also pretty much in a recession from 9/11 to late 2003 and in recessions building 80+ story towers is not a priority when companies are laying off employees by the thousands. Does anyone else agree?

Six years ago I would have probably voted "no", but we have all seen some unexpected things happen since.

Well, I've been afraid to fly since 9/11, yet the airline industry did not come to a halt.

If people can fly again, we should be able to build tall again.

Yes. A few years ago Pfizer wanted an 86 story tower, but the Community Boards got all pissy and made sure that nothing bigger than 70 stories gets built. The tower I believe has been approved, but a powerplant on the site needs to be demolished first.

I'm frankly surprised that Trump hasn't announced anything yet. He had a *perfect* opportunity on the finale of the Apprentice, since it was only a few days since the Westside rezoning, and think off all the free publicity he wouldv'e gotten.
I am sure that he will take advantage of this zoning to make his tallest (and possibly the world's tallest). He had so many proposals in the 90's for a WTB, but all got shot down..

Supertalls are usually defined as greater than 1000 feet; there are many a proposal that will surpass that as of now. In fact, 3 are under construction at the moment: the freedom tower :bash: ,the Bank of America Tower, and the New York Times Tower. :cheers:

is it going on the con edison site on the east river around 21st street or something?

Time heals all wounds and people are slowly forgetting 9/11 and getting back to business as usual.... just ask our president... :D

Looking at that color code... I'd cratch my head first before any sense of fear sets in

I kind of feel that its been more of a personal reason than an economic one. No one really wants to build taller than empire state. The only one i think that is socially acceptable to be taller is the Freedom Tower. once that is completed, then i believe that it will be open season to build 1000 footers plus up to the height of the Freedom Tower but not surpassing it. Or coming too close to it. 1300 max. And then it will be a long time before anything surpasses the freedom tower. just an idea i was toying with. so basically yes, we will have more 80 floors + and more 1000 footers but not for a long time. maybe about 8-10 years

Isn't it because of security reasons why supertalls aren't being constructed in the city right now? They might fear that another 9/11 will happen again?

That's exactly what the US government doesn't want to convey. There is a strong will to replace the WTC to show that America is not afraid and will rise above terrorism. Unfortunately, there is a lot of bickering going on to push ahead with Freedom Tower and the memorial for the victims of 9/11.

The victims?

How many years will the city wait until it is time to rebuild?

This delay is nonsense.
Wasting precious time and money.

I say rebuild them.
Do it now and when it's complete in a few years, we shall be able to heal.

I also agree. Build The Freedom Tower, create a memorial to commemorate the victims of 9/11 and show how NY can rise again :)

globill= the new up and coming ny troll..

The Freedom Tower will start to rise in three or four weeks, if all goes well. Construction of the World Trade Center starts tomorrow, Monday.

And yes, New York started it all. From every point, New York is untouchable; we will build higher skyscrapers for sure in the next few years. There's little office space left.

I feel that NYC will continue to build supertalls, though most of new skyscrapers are under 1,000 ft and only reach it by a spire.

As much as it is might NYC, I feel like sometime sooner than later, developers and financial heavyweights will feel like that even though we don't need them, we definitely deserve to have them and an attitude of slight jealousy mixed with "what the hell are we doing? We're NYC, damnit!" will propel us to preserve ESB's greatness and have some great supertalls in Manhattan. Chicago's fantastic preoccupation with pride and their slight complex does keep them bold, and that I really respect.

As with the Freedom Tower, isn't there a better design for this building?

The sooner we start building supertalls, the better. Period.