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Isan

January 12th, 2005, 08:12 PM

By David Pearson

Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES

PARIS -(Dow Jones)- Airbus (ABI.YY) retained its dominant position in the commercial aircraft industry in 2004, outpacing American rival Boeing Co. (BA) in terms of deliveries, new orders and profitability, Airbus Chief Executive Noel Forgeard said Wednesday.

The European builder of wide and narrow-bodied jets delivered 320 aircraft last year, up from 305 in 2003, and 35 more than Boeing's 285.

Reflecting airlines' need for new aircraft to meet growing rising passenger and cargo traffic in the coming years, Airbus notched 370 firm orders last year worth a total of $34 billion.

The order total overshot by a wide margin Airbus's target set early last year of selling at least 325 planes in 2004.

The 370 orders represented 54% of the worldwide order total in value terms, and a 57% market share in terms of units sold.

Talking at a press conference, Forgeard explained that the difference between the two percentages reflected more sales by Boeing of larger - and more expensive - jets, while Airbus's sales had been boosted by orders for smaller planes, notably from low-cost airlines.

With 279 new orders for single-aisle jets last year, Airbus had a market share of 64% in that market segment.

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Airbus's revenue last year was "a bit above EUR20 billion," Forgeard said, adding the company achieved a 7% gain in productivity last year due to tough cost control efforts.

A cost-control plan set up in 2003 and dubbed Route 06 aimed at reducing annual operating expenditure by EUR1.5 billion by 2006 is on track, he said.

Further savings of an equivalent amount will be achieved thanks to a program initiated at the end of 2003 to reduce the lead time between a customer's final specification and delivery. For smaller planes the gap will be reduced by one-third to six months by 2006, he said, and the production cycle will be accelerated even more for larger aircraft.

Reducing the lead time will result in cash savings due to reduced stocks that tie up capital, Forgeard said, adding that savings of EUR500 million have been achieved so far.

Forgeard didn't give any profit figures, but said a combination of a higher average selling price and sharply lower unit costs last year meant Airbus was almost twice as profitable as Boeing's commercial aircraft division excluding research and development costs. Boeing has not given any earnings figures for 2004.

Because of the cost-saving effort, he said, Airbus's profitability is "well-based for the next three years." He added the company's target is still to achieve an operating margin of 10%, compared to just over 8% in 2003.

In the past, the European Aeronautic Defence and Space Co. NV (5730.FR) has set a medium-term operating margin target of 10%. Airbus achieved an operating margin of 9.8% in the first half of 2004.

Forgeard is due to take over in mid-year from Philippe Camus as co-chairman of EADS, which owns 80% of Airbus, the remaining 20% being held by BAE Systems PLC (BA.LN) of the U.K.

Airbus's new flagship product, the double-decker 555-seat A380 superjumbo is due to make its maiden flight in March, and Forgeard told reporters he's confident a Memorandum of Understanding with the Chinese authorities for five A380s signed at the end of last year will be confirmed with firm orders.

Last year, Airbus decided to double the amount of work done by Chinese companies on Airbus jets by 2010, and Forgeard disclosed that Chinese companies will have a 5% risk-sharing stake in the A350, a longer-range and more efficient version of the company's existing A330-200 twin-jet.

Forgeard played down a recent estimate by EADS that the development of the A380 will cost EUR1.45 billion more than anticipated. The figure is a worst-case scenario, he said, adding, that efforts are being made to compress it as much as possible.

"It's not such a big deal; most new programs face cost overruns," he said, noting the extra cost pales in comparison to the likely revenue of EUR150 billion that the A380 program is likely to generate over its lifetime on the assumption 750 planes are sold.

He said problems encountered with excessive weight on the A380 have been resolved, and the plane's maximum take-off weight is now within 1% of the specification on which the 14 A380 customers have based their orders for 149 of the jets, including an order for 10 on Tuesday from United Parcel Service of the United States.

huaiwei

January 12th, 2005, 08:29 PM

Posted: 13 January 2005 0210 hrs

Airbus 2004 deliveries top forecast

PARIS : European aircraft maker Airbus turned out more 320 commercial airplanes last year, the European aircraft maker said, trumping its US rival Boeing for the second year running.

The result was at the top end of its forecast in a range of 315-320 planes and compared with 305 in 2003.

The figures mean that Airbus is keeping ahead of US arch-rival Boeing, which delivered 285 planes last year, as the world's leading jet maker in 2004, with a 53 percent share of the cut-throat global market for large civilian jetliners.

"These results are very encouraging and confirm that the market is slowly recovering from the downturn of the first half of the decade," said Airbus chief executive Noel Forgeard.

In addition to delivering more planes than Boeing, he said that Airbus was also more profitable.

"Our audited accounts show Airbus to be almost twice as profitable as its competitor and our profit margin grows this year as well as the others before in spite our huge R and D (research and development) expenses," he said.

In 2005, Airbus expects to make 350-360 deliveries, confirming the previous forecast given by parent European Aeronautic Defence and Space Company, Forgeard told journalists. That would be a 10 percent rise over 2004.

The European group is 80 percent owned by EADS and 20 percent by BAE Systems of Britain.

Forgeard also announced that Airbus had reached an agreement for China to take a five percent stake in the new A350 project, which is designed to rival Boeing's new 7E7 model.

Airbus won 370 firm orders in 2004, up from 254 in 2003, yielding a market share of 57 percent and representing 34 billion dollars according to list prices, he said.

Sales in 2004 were likely to come in at "just over 20 billion euros" (26.2 billion dollars), compared with 19.3 billion in 2003.

"Year-end accounts are very good," he said, without being more specific.

Forgeard said he expected at least two new orders for the A380 superjumbo in 2005. So far Airbus has 139 firm orders for the plane and 13 customers.

He said Airbus expected to sign a definitive contract with US package shipper United Parcel Service "very soon" after UPS earlier this week signed a letter of intent for 10 Airbus A380 freighter aircraft along with options for another 10.

Airbus won 47 firm orders in China in 2004, excluding the one-billion-euro order for 23 A319, A320 and A321 planes from China announced in December.

It expected to double the extent of cooperation with China from 2006-2010.

Forgeard said he was "very confident" of concluding the contract for five A380 planes from an undisclosed Chinese company. He said in December it had signed a memorandum of understanding, without identifying the client.

In another development affecting Airbus and Boeing, the European Union and the United States on Tuesday agreed to settle their aircraft subsidy dispute through bilateral talks and to shelve arbitration action at the World Trade Organization.

The European Commission said the EU and Washington "confirmed their willingness to resolve the dispute, which has arisen between them over trade in large civil aircraft, and to devote time and resources to doing so by negotiation rather than pursuing the dispute through WTO panels."

"We are delighted at this apparent breakthrough in the transatlantic discussions. It has always been preferable that any differences between the US and Europe on this matter be overcome through constructive discussion rather than through legal recourse," Airbus said.

The European jetmaker added that, though the decision was a positive step forward, "much work remains to be done in order to ensure a level playing field in the commercial aircraft market."

- AFP

Isan

January 14th, 2005, 03:36 PM

01-14-05 04:16 AM EST

Boeing Co. (BA) is poised to announce today that it will shut down its single- aisle 717 jetliner production line as soon as the remaining orders are filled, most likely in the spring of 2006, Friday's Wall Street Journal reported.

According to people familiar with the situation, after generating only eight new orders for the plane last year, top company officials have decided that it is time to stop offering the plane and concentrate on selling the more-popular 737 aircraft favored by low-cost carriers.

According to the company's Web site, as of the end of December, 32 airplanes were still to be delivered. Some of those orders might be converted to other models or canceled, one person familiar with the situation said. The company told its 2,500 employees in Long Beach, Calif., about its pending decision late Thursday. It said that no significant layoffs are expected as long as the remaining orders are being filled.

A Boeing spokesman declined to comment.

Wall Street Journal Staff Reporter J. Lynn Lunsford contributed to this report.

Lee

January 14th, 2005, 08:44 PM

The new Airbus is now called A 380 and it has already been ordered 129 times by 11 Airlines!

Almost 1/3 of the A380 orders have come from a Emirates-an overly ambitious airline in the middle east who has endless supply of cash from the oil rich gov't. That's not too impressive when you consider its been in the market for 4 years. Last year, ironically, the 380 sold as much as the 747.

Lee

January 14th, 2005, 09:57 PM

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BMXican

January 15th, 2005, 12:23 AM

Nephasto

January 15th, 2005, 12:43 AM

Last year, ironically, the 380 sold as much as the 747.

But all the 747 orders were cargo versions. Anyway, the days of the 744 (747-400) passenger version orders are gone.
By now the A380 has 139 firm orders. And MOU's ( Memorandum Of Understanding) signed for more(at least 10, but i think more, though not sure).

BMXican

January 15th, 2005, 01:04 AM

no, it has 149 orders (see UPS)

STR

January 15th, 2005, 01:29 AM

The A380 already has beaten all expectations. and this is just the beginning....

1 What have you been drinking?

2 Could you send some my way?

The A380 has done somewhat poorly so far. First flight is weeks away, and it hasn't even recieved 200 orders. Even the UPS order isn't worth bragging about,as the orders for the 10 A380 were in exchange for over 20 A300.

rufi

January 15th, 2005, 03:25 AM

Almost 1/3 of the A380 orders have come from a Emirates-an overly ambitious airline in the middle east who has endless supply of cash from the oil rich gov't. That's not too impressive when you consider its been in the market for 4 years. Last year, ironically, the 380 sold as much as the 747.
I see the beat of jealusy...

Nephasto

January 15th, 2005, 03:40 AM

no, it has 149 orders (see UPS)

For now that's just a MOU.

It may not be selling like hot pancakes, but the times aren't the best, and even so, it's selling reasonably well, and i'm sure it will be a success.

And i agree with rufi! All the boing fans are jealous because they wich it was boing the maker and not airbus.
As it's not, they just say the 380 won't succeed, that it's a bad airplane, etc... :blahblah:

I think it's a natural reaction... It's hard to accept what's happening in the aviation market, after decades of a complete boeing dominance.

Lee

January 15th, 2005, 04:32 AM

since the start of the A380 airbus sold double the amount of them comparing to boeing's B747. now that's very impressive for a plane that only existed on a drawing board up until recently (and a plane that apparently nobody needs according to boeing). and the year hasn't barely started and another order is in from UPS for 10 A380's with an option for 10 additional planes. the A380 already has beaten all expectations. and this is just the beginning....

What the hell are you talking about? The A380 hasn't outsold the 747 in anything. In its first four years, the 400 747 were ordered, while in the A380's first 4 years, only 139 were.

With regards to performance, nobody knows how well the 380 will perform because its hasn't even been tested yet.

Lee

January 15th, 2005, 04:34 AM

But all the 747 orders were cargo versions. Anyway, the days of the 744 (747-400) passenger version orders are gone.
By now the A380 has 139 firm orders. And MOU's ( Memorandum Of Understanding) signed for more(at least 10, but i think more, though not sure).

Actually, the A380's orders last year were also cargo. Plus you keep forgetting the possibility of a 747AVD.

Lee

January 15th, 2005, 04:35 AM

1 What have you been drinking?

Even the UPS order isn't worth bragging about,as the orders for the 10 A380 were in exchange for over 20 A300.

They were in exchange for almost 40 A300's. The A300 line will be shut down pronto.

Isan

January 15th, 2005, 09:29 AM

Updated: 13 January 2005

PARIS (AFX) - Airbus Industrie chief commercial officer John Leahy told journalists he expects 2005 orders to fall to between 300-350 after 370 in 2004, as a record backlog prompts customers to delay certain orders.
Net orders for 2004 came in at 366, after taking into account four cancellations, up from 254 orders in 2003. Leahy said Airbus' backlog currently stands at around 1,500 compared to under 1,100 for rival Boeing Co.

Speaking alongside Leahy at the group's annual press conference, current CEO and EADS co-CEO designate NoelForgeard said his departure from the post at Airbus is "likely" to coincide with the EADS AGM in May.

He declined to speculate on his possible successor, telling journalists: "I encourage you to ask Airbus shareholders (EADS and BAE Systems PLC) who should succeed me."

Airbus is owned 80 pct by European Aeronautic Defence and Space Company NV and 20 pct by BAE Systems PLC.

On research and development costs, Forgeard said Airbus will be "on a plateau" in 2005, at around the 1.8 bln eur level expected for 2004. He explained that while costs for the A350 passenger version are likely to fall, spending will rise on the cargo version of the superjumbo and the A400M military transporter, and initial spending on the A350 will begin.

Concerning the potential effect of a persistently weak dollar on R&D spending, Forgeard said the dollar would need to reach around 1.60 against the euro before it starts to "impair the ability to invest in R&D."

Substantial, 'three-digit' spending on the A350 project will not begin before 2006, He said.

Leahy said no A350s will be booked as firm orders until the formal launch of the plane.

Construction of the A350 project will go ahead no matter what the outcome of the EU and US bilateral talks over subsidies, Forgeard said, adding that it is "not a programme hanging on any kind of support".

Gerard Blanc, executive vice-president operations, told the press conference he is "virtually certain that Airbus will again beat Boeing in the number of deliveries" in 2005.

Earlier Forgeard announced deliveries in 2004 of 320, at the top end of the company's own guidance of 315-320, and confirmed that Airbus expects to make 350-360 deliveries in 2005.

Airbus CFO Andreas Sperl said Airbus' EBIT margin will be "close to 10 pct" for the full year 2004, after the company booked a 9.6 pct margin over the first nine months, up from 7.1 pct pct in the full-year 2003.

Sperl added: "It is an Airbus tradition to increase the profit margin from year to year."

Referring to full-year sales, which Airbus earlier estimated at "just over 20 bln eur" compared with 19.3 bln in 2003, Forgeard said the precise figure will come with EADS' results on March 9. Forgeard told journalists repayable loans for the the A380 programme will begin to be repaid from the first aircraft sold and said that repayable government loans bear interest and cost "as much as commercial loans".

Commenting on the company's full-year market share of 57 pct, representing 34 bln usd according to list prices,
Forgeard told journalists: "We have not bought this market share, as prices have gone up in every category of plane we have sold."

In the medium-sized market where it competes with the Boeing 767 and the new 7E7, howver, Forgeard conceded Airbus' market share was "only 28 pct."

Turning to the 'Route 06' cost saving plan, which aims to achieve annual cost savings of 1.5 bln eur by 2006, he said the programme is "fully on target" and will help the group cope with the weakened dollar.

If the dollar remains at its weak level, Blanc said Airbus would not "rush into a another (cost-cutting) plan" but refused to rule out such a move if the dollar weakens further.

Airbus said talks with customers over billing in euros instead of dollars have not been successful. It said that while 70 pct of costs are now in dollars, those for the A380 are higher than 70 pct.

Forgeard described the A380 as "a hedging device" in itself.

The commercial success of the A380 is "not just great but amazing," Forgeard said.

The 1.45 bln eur cost overrun announced recently by Airbus for the A380 will have no effect on Airbus' profitability and only a minor effect on the project profitability itself, he said.

Referring to the group's estimate of a breakeven level of 250 units sold, Forgeard said this refers to Airbus' own 6 bln eur investment and not on the overall investment costs which include contributions from governments in the form of repayable loans.

"It's an analysis from the Airbus point of view: cash in, cash out," Forgeard said.

Recalling recent concerns over the A380 model's weight revealed in internal documents, Forgeard said the target weight referred to Airbus' own targets and does not figure in the contract with clients. He insisted that production models will "easily deliver the expected performance." "We are OK both on paper and in reality. The issue of weight is over."

He also said "malicious rumours" of the A380 being too big for certain international airports were unfounded, and he cited unspecified airport authorities as saying the A380 can operate at runways not suitable for Boeing's 747 jumbo. Any modification work needed would be for terminal buildings and not the runways, he said.

Regarding news today of cracks in the body of certain models operated by Deutsche Lufthansa AG, he said it is "not a dramatic problem" and that the aircraft can still fly, adding that repairs will be done when it suits the airlines.

The German Federal Air Traffic Office has ordered Airbus to check its A330 and A340 aircrafts after small cracks were found around drill holes close to the wings of several aircraft, Lufthansa said.

Forgeard declined to comment on recent controversy regarding the position of co-chief executive of EADS, beyond saying that "most of the trouble last year was artificial."

Nephasto

January 15th, 2005, 03:28 PM

Actually, the A380's orders last year were also cargo. Plus you keep forgetting the possibility of a 747AVD.

No they weren't. Those 10 planes orderes in 2004 aren't the UPS ones.
Those 10 orders were 6 planes to Thai and 4 to Ethiads. All of them passenger version.

As for a possibility of a 747ADV is very real! Why are you saying I'm forgetting about it?
I just said the time for 747-400!! passanger version ended.
I haven't say anything like the time for 747's passanger version orders is gone. We will probably have many 747-700/800/900 or whatever orders.

Also, if boeing lauches the 747ADV airbus will probably retaliate with the 380-700 (shorter version, so less seats, and probably longer range).

Nephasto

January 15th, 2005, 03:32 PM

The A300 line will be shut down pronto.

That's good news!
That plane is old and shutting down the line will cut costs to airbus!
They could also end the production of 310's.

Isan

January 16th, 2005, 06:12 PM

January 16, 2005

Airbus is close to clinching two large orders for its Airbus A380 from China which could be worth about USD$3 billion, the UK's Sunday Times reported, citing industry sources.

The newspaper said Airbus was in talks with the Chinese government and Hong Kong's main carrier Cathay Pacific. The orders will be unveiled on Tuesday.

The Chinese government order, which is likely to be split between two airlines, Air China and China Southern, will be for five aircraft and a similar number of options to buy more. Cathay's order could be the same size.

(Reuters)

Isan

January 17th, 2005, 09:06 AM

BEIJING, Jan 16 (AFP) - High-flying European airliner builder Airbus has already logged dozens of orders for its new giant A380 aircraft, and signs emerged on Sunday it would seal its success by clinching orders from China, one of the world's biggest operators.

The Sunday Times reported that Airbus is close to clinching two key orders valued at USD 3 billion (EUR 2.28 billion) from China for its new plane, the biggest passenger airliner in the world which will roll out of its assembly hangar on Tuesday

Citing industry sources the newspaper said the Toulouse, France-based maker was in talks with the Chinese government and Cathay Pacific, the Hong Kong listed carrier.

Although orders have
flooded in for the A380, Airbus's success is seen as depending on whether it can interest China, one of the world's biggest operators.

With the 2008 Beijing Olympics looming, there had been speculation that a Chinese order for the twin-deck, four-engine plane, which can carry some 550 passengers, would be announced at the A380's official roll-out on Tuesday, Hong Kong-based aviation analyst Peter Negline of bankers JPMorgan said earlier.

Such an announcement had already been expected when French President Jacques Chirac visited China in October, and again when German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder was in Beijing in early December.

China's commercial air market is expected to be one of the world's largest in the coming years.

The Sunday Times report said that the Chinese government order, which is likely to be split between two airlines, Air China and China Southern, would be for five aircraft and a similar number of options to buy more.

The order of Cathay Pacific, it said, could be the same size, taking the value of the Chinese contracts, including options, to about USD 3 billion (EUR 2.28 billion).

The European group has so far received 139 firm orders for the A380 as well as 10 expressions of intent to purchase.

Airbus, which hopes the A380 will enable it to increase its global lead over US rival Boeing, did well last year on the Chinese front, recording firm orders for 58 of its smaller planes, including three from Hong Kong, and letters of intent for 23 more.

In the next two decades, Airbus sees potential sales to China of its products at some 1,600, while Boeing, which currently has a 62 percent market share, predicts more than 2,000 and the domestic Aviation Industries of China (AVIC) is looking at nearly 1,300.

While the Olympic Games are expected to attract tens of thousands of visitors to Beijing, relaxed restrictions by both China and foreign countries mean that many more Chinese are venturing abroad. All will need airline seats.

However, the number of orders for the A380 from Chinese airlines is not expected to be large, perhaps no more than 10 aircraft.

China is looking for a share in the latest aerospace technology, rather than the delivery of products fully finished.

Rainer Hertrich, the co-chief executive of Airbus' parent company, the European Aeronautic Defence and Space Company, said in Beijing last month he was confident China would place orders for the A380 soon.

He said an undisclosed number of what will be the world's biggest commercial airliner, which has a catalogue price of USD 275 million (EUR 209 million), had been reserved for China.

"The A380 will be rolled out in January and the first flight is scheduled for March. I believe in the end, if the Chinese want to see it flying, honestly the Chinese have to hurry up," Hertrich said.

China's Vice Foreign Minister Zhang Yesui strenuously denied a report in The Wall Street Journal that Beijing was holding up orders for at least five A380s because of the European Union's refusal to lift a 15-year-old ban on arms sales to China.

Airbus China president Lawrence Barron said in November the company will set up an engineering centre in China next year and hire 200 staff by the end of 2008.

The company was also discussing the possibility of setting up an operation that would assemble planes in the country, Airbus boss Noel Forgeard said at about the same time.

Airbus also wants to manufacture at least five percent of the parts for its proposed A350 model in China, the head of Airbus Germany, Gustav Humbert, said in December.

One in four of the 3,500-plus Airbus planes in operation around the world is equipped with parts made in China, according to the Xinhua news agency.

© AFP

Isan

January 17th, 2005, 09:09 AM

BEIJING - European aerospace giant Airbus said it is in talks to sell an unspecified number of 330-200 jetliners to mainland flagcarrier Air China.

"We are in discussions with Air China on the A330-200 aircraft," said Gu Ming, an Airbus China company spokesman said.

"We are still in discussions with Air China but so far nothing has been concluded," said Gu, refusing to give further details.

According to an earlier report by China Business News, Air China could buy 20 Airbus planes for a total of 1.8 billion dollars.

If a deal were to go ahead it would be the first aircraft order placed by a mainland carrier following a vaguely defined government imposed freeze on new purchases for 2005.

The government is seeking to curb reckless expansion in the airline sector, just as elsewhere in the booming economy.

Airbus, which is 80% owned by aerospace conglomerate EADS and the rest by British defence contractor BAE Systems, sold a record 81 airplanes in China in 2004 in fierce competition with US rival Boeing.

AFP

Isan

January 18th, 2005, 01:36 PM

Korean Air has confirmed it is to add five super jumbo Airbus 380 aircraft to its fleet beginning in 2007.

Airbus is unveiling the new A380 at a ceremony in France today.

“Today marks the beginning of a new generation in air travel,” Korean Air Chairman and CEO Yang Ho Cho said. “The introduction of the A380 to our fleet meets Korean Air’s corporate mission of Excellence in Flight – our long-term commitment to pursuing service, operational and innovative excellence. We are focused on offering a new dimension of service to our customers and to our industry and the A380 represents another step forward as a customer-oriented airline.”

Korean Air has confirmed that it will add five A380s to its fleet with an option for three more orders. Delivery of the first five will be between 2007-2009, and operate initially on its high traffic routes between Seoul and the U.S. and Europe.

The new aircraft will enable Korean Air to offer enhanced in-flight services to its passengers. The airline plans to configure the two-story aircraft to provide approximately 500 seats in three classes. More comfortable seats in first and business classes and roomier seats in economy class will allow Korean Air to upgrade its in-flight experience. In addition, Korean Air will plans to add more entertainment features for its passengers on long-haul flights.

Isan

January 18th, 2005, 01:48 PM

ABU DHABI, Jan 17 (AFP) - Abu Dhabi's Etihad Airways will add 50 more destinations to its network in the next five years and buy new aircraft to keep pace with its ambitious growth plans, the airline said Monday.

The airline will unveil its new Airbus A380 at an official ceremony in the French city of Toulouse on Tuesday, a statement said.

"As one of the first airlines to launch the A380, this... is a milestone for such a young airline. This significant investment... demonstrates we have the confidence, resources and ambition to position Etihad as one of the leading airlines in the world," said chairman Ahmad bin Saif al-Nahayan.

"Since its inaugural flight in November 2003, the airline has... (added) at least one route each month. It currently flies to 16 destinations and aims to increase that figure to approximately 70 destinations by 2010," he said.

Last month, Etihad finalized a one-billion-dollar deal to buy five Boeing 777-300 ER planes for a total of 1.09 billion dollars to serve new routes in Asia, Africa, Europe and North America.

The airline currently operates two wide-bodied Airbus A330-200s and an A340-200, in addition to a leased Boeing 767.

It plans to have 10 wide-bodied aircraft by the end of 2005.

In August 2004, Etihad ordered 24 Airbuses, including four of the super jumbo A380 models, four A340-600s and four A340-500s, and has taken an option on 12 additional planes for a total value of seven billion dollars.

The 500-million-dirham (136-million-dollar) capitalized airline is fully owned by the government of oil-rich Abu Dhabi, the largest member of the United Arab Emirates.

01/17/2005 17:08 GMT - AFP

Isan

January 21st, 2005, 04:28 AM

January 20, 2005

Airbus has close to 250 potential orders for its A380 superjumbo when options already granted to airlines are added to the 149 existing orders and commitments, Airbus CEO Noel Forgeard was quoted on Thursday as saying.

Airbus does not publish the number of options it grants to airlines on top of firm orders or interim commitments contained in a Memorandum of Understanding.

But Forgeard told Paris Match magazine in an interview that options would bring the total close to 250, which is widely considered the manufacturer's breakeven point for the A380 superjumbo inaugurated before European leaders on Tuesday.

"With 149 orders from 14 airlines, including the most recent order from UPS, plus options, we are not far from the 250 which we expected to reach by 2008," Forgeard told Paris Match.

Forgeard reiterated that China would probably buy the A380 soon, adding that he expected Air China to use the 555 seat double-decker jets for the 2008 Olympics.

He was also quoted as saying Airbus was not far off reaching its 10 percent operating margin target in 2004, having posted a margin of 9.6 percent in the first nine months.

(Reuters)

Isan

January 21st, 2005, 08:25 AM

A look at the 14 customers Airbus says have ordered 149 of its new A380s, as of January 18, 2005.

Airline Passenger /Freighter/ Options /Engine
Air France 10/ 0/ 4/ GP7200
Emirates 41/ 2 /None/ GP7200
Etihad Airways 4/ 0/ None/ TBC
Federal Express 0/ 10/ Undisclosed /GP7200
ILFC 5 /5 /None /GP7200
Korean Airlines 5/ 0 /3 /TBC
Lufthansa 15/ 0 /None /Trent 900
Malaysia Airlines 6/ 0 /None /Trent 900
Qantas 12/ 0 /None /Trent 900
UPS 0/ 10 /10 /TBC
Qatar Airways 2/ 0 /2 /TBC
Singapore Airlines 10 /0 /None /Trent 900
Thai INT'L 6/ 0 /None /Trent 900?
Virgin Atlantic 6/ 0 /6 /Trent 900
TOTALS 122/ 27/ 25

Nephasto

January 21st, 2005, 05:22 PM

Isan

January 23rd, 2005, 03:44 PM

Nephasto

Thanks for you update :)

Isan

January 26th, 2005, 10:31 PM

David Dinell

The Boeing Co., has received an order for 10 of its twin-engine 737s, according to an online report by Reuters.

The order is for the 737-800 Next Generation series model and came from carrier Flugleidir Icelandair Group.

The order includes options for five addition jets.

At list prices, the 10-unit order would be worth $650 million, however, Boeing, like most aircraft manufacturers, usually grants discounts to regular customers or to those who order a number of jets at a time.

The 737 is Boeing's best-selling aircraft. About 75 percent of its fuselage is built in Wichita, along with other parts. Boeing Wichita has about 12,500 employees and is Wichita's largest employer.

Isan

January 26th, 2005, 10:37 PM

PARIS (AP) - China Southern Airlines will sign an order for five Airbus A380 "superjumbos" on Friday, a Chinese newspaper reported on its Web site.

Wednesday's edition of the English-language China Daily quotes China Southern Airlines executive Yang Defeng confirming the order for five of the 555-seater planes, worth a total of $1.4 billion at catalog prices.

French government officials had earlier published an agenda suggesting that Transport Minister Gilles de Robien would attend a signing ceremony on Friday in Paris, at which the order will be concluded.

De Robien's spokeswoman was not immediately available, and Airbus declined to comment.

Airbus, which is 80 percent owned by European Aeronautic Defence and Space Co., has for months been suggesting it expects a Chinese client to sign up soon for the A380 - leaving enough time to take delivery ahead of the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

If confirmed, the deal will make China Southern Airlines the 15th customer for the A380, taking to 154 the total number of orders received for the new plane, which enters into service next year.

It would also signal another victory for Airbus over Boeing Co. as the trans-Atlantic rivals do battle in what's expected to be one of the biggest aircraft markets over the next two decades.

Boeing is betting on a different vision of future aviation embodied by its mid-size 7E7, due to enter service in 2008, but has yet to win firm Chinese orders for the plane despite what it describes as "a great deal of interest."

Analysts say the 7E7's commercial take-off has been slowed by the launch of Airbus' new mid-size rival, the A350. The Toulouse, France-based company has already pledged 5 percent of A350 production work to Chinese companies.

Friday's signing ceremony will be attended by China Southern's Chairman Lui Shaoyong, the China Daily reported.

AP-ES-01-26-05 1128EST

Sounder

January 27th, 2005, 01:46 AM

The Chicago-based company employs more than 35,300 people in California, and its commercial airplanes division maintains extensive operations in Long Beach. The Renton, Wash.-based division is the second-largest employer in Long Beach.

I don't think the commercial divison of Boeing will be in Renton that long. They are shutting down the Renton plant & consolidating that into the Boeing plant in Everett, WA.

Boeing Everett, world's largest building:

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howjimaru

January 27th, 2005, 03:47 AM

don't airports have to renovate to support a380s? singapore will but i'm not sure about other airports like incheon or frankfurt

Deadeye

January 27th, 2005, 06:06 AM

don't airports have to renovate to support a380s? singapore will but i'm not sure about other airports like incheon or frankfurt

Frankfurt and Munich are already prepared for the A380.

Isan

January 27th, 2005, 10:30 AM

Mainland flag carrier Air China said it has agreed to buy 20 A330-200 aircraft from Airbus worth 2.86 billion dollars in a signficant new deal for the European aerospace giant as it faces up to US rival Boeing in the key Chinese market.

Air China said the the final price could be lower after negotiations between the parties. The aircraft will be delivered between mid-2006 and end-2008.

The deal, which has been approved by parent China National Aviation Holding Co, will be funded through cash from the companys operations and commercial bank loans.

"The aircraft are expected to replace certain aircraft in the existing fleet ... and will be able to provide more comfortable services for passengers," company chairman Li Jiaxiang said in a statement.

They will mainly serve international destinations in Europe, Australia and North America, and certain key domestic destinations such as Lhasa, the Tibetan capital, it said.

The deal is the first aircraft order placed by a mainland carrier following a vaguely worded government imposed freeze on new purchases for 2005.

The government is seeking to curb reckless expansion in the airline sector, just as elsewhere in the booming economy.

The order is further good news for Airbus after the China Daily reported Wednesday that China Southern Airlines was near to a deal to buy five of its A380 superjumbos aircraft.

If the A380 deal is concluded later this week, China Southern would be the first Chinese carrier to buy the new double-decker jet, providing a boost for the European group in its battle with US rival Boeing for dominance in the crucial Chinese market.

China is expected to become the world's second-largest commercial aviation market after the United States, building up over the next 20 years to a 2,800-strong fleet of planes.

To get there, its airlines will require nearly 2,300 new planes by 2023 and will spend some 183 billion dollars to quadruple their fleets, Boeing said recently.

Airbus, which is 80-percent owned by aerospace conglomerate EADS and the rest by British defence contractor BAE Systems, sold a record 81 airplanes in China in 2004 in fierce competition with Boeing which currently has more than a 60 percent share of the mainland market.

Isan

January 27th, 2005, 10:33 AM

MINNEAPOLIS (AP) - Northwest Airlines said on Wednesday that it has ordered eight new Airbus A330s, which will help it replace its aging DC-10s on flights to Europe.

Northwest said it would begin using the new aircraft next year, with the last ones to be delivered in 2007. It also said it would take delivery on three more A330s in 2006, one to two years earlier than planned.

Northwest Airlines Corp. owns 21 DC-10s, which are an average of 25.8 years old, according to BACK Aviation Solutions.

The nation's fourth-largest airline had $2.46 billion in cash at the end of December, but said it financed the planes through Airbus to keep "flexibility in future financing alternatives." It did not disclose the purchase price.

Northwest said it now has 32 A330s on order, of which 15 have been delivered. An Airbus spokeswoman said the order for the eight new planes was finalized this week.

Eagan-based Northwest said it would buy six A330-300s and two of the longer-range A330-200s. The A330-300 has 264 coach seats and 34 in business class, versus 211 coach seats 32 in business class on the A330-200.

Compared with the DC-10s, the A330 has lower maintenance costs and fuel costs that are 30 percent lower, Northwest said.

Airbus said the order makes Northwest its largest airline customer in North America in terms of number of aircraft on order.

Northwest shares rose 4 cents to close Wednesday at $7.29 on the Nasdaq Stock Market.

Isan

January 27th, 2005, 06:41 PM

SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) -- Boeing Co. booked an order from Thai Airways for six 777-200ER planes valued at $1.1 billion in the fourth quarter of 2004, according to a news report.

This is the first time Thai Airways has been identified as the customer, AFX-Asia reported.

Deliveries will be made between August 2006 and October 2007, Boeing said in a statement released in Singapore, the report said.

Thai Airways president Kanon Abhiradee said it was purchasing 777-200ERs for its long-haul routes, the news report said.

In August, Thai Airways ordered six superjumbo A380s from Boeing rival Airbus.

Boeing Confirms Thai Airways' Order For 777-200er

KUALA LUMPUR, Jan 27 (Bernama) -- Boeing has confirmed an order for six 777-200ER airplanes by Thai Airways International (THAI), valued at about US$1.1 billion.

In a statement here Thursday, the American airplane manufacturer said the order was booked during the fourth quarter last year.

"THAI was a launch customer for the Boeing 777 programme and has been operating that airplane, the best in its class, from the very beginning," said THAI president Kanok Abhiradee.

"We're purchasing the 777-200ER for our long-haul routes, primarily because of its exceptional reliability, economics and efficiency," he added.

Deliveries are due to begin in August 2006 and will continue into October 2007.

The airplanes will feature a tri-class configuration and be powered by Rolls-Royce Trent-892B engines.

To date, 38 customers have placed 671 orders for the 777. Worldwide, 500 are currently in service.

-- BERNAMA

Isan

January 28th, 2005, 09:47 AM

Ken Vandruff

Customers of the Boeing Co. announced orders for six 777-200ER planes and four 737-800 jets, but those orders were overshadowed by Airbus with a total of 28 orders for its A330.

Thai Airways will take delivery of the six 777s between August 2006 and October 2007. The deal is valued at $1.1 billion at list prices, but customers are often allowed discounts from the listed price.

GOL Linhas Aereas Intelligentes SA (NYSE: GOL) is exercising four purchase options for 737-800s. The options were part of an order that was announced in May 2004. The Brazilian airline now has firm orders for 21 aircraft to be delivered between 2006 and 2009.

Meanwhile, Air China has ordered 20 Airbus A330s for delivery starting in 2006. The deal has a list value of $2.9 billion. The aircraft will replace jets that are currently in service.

And Northwest Airlines (Nasdaq: NWAC) ordered eight A330s -- including six A330-300 with 298 seats in two classes and two A330-200s with 243 seats in two classes.

Airbus is about to sign an order for five A380 superjumbos with China Southern Airlines Co., according to the French Transport Ministry. The deal would be worth $1.1 billion at catalog prices.

Boeing (NYSE: BA) is also hoping to secure Chinese airlines orders for 60 of its 7E7 Dreamliner.

Boeing Wichita builds 75 percent of the 737 airframe along with assemblies for all of Boeing's commercial jets with the exception of the 717.

Airbus has an engineering office in Wichita that helped design the wings for the A380.

Isan

January 28th, 2005, 09:49 AM

By Bryan Corliss
Herald staff

Six Chinese airlines on Friday will sign a preliminary agreement to buy dozens of 7E7s from the Boeing Co.

The Chinese government reportedly is interested in buying 60 Dreamliners for its six airlines - Air China, China Eastern, China Southern, Hainan, Shanghai and Xiamen.

The order, which would be the largest Dreamliner deal to date, would be worth about $7.5 billion at list prices, although it’s highly likely the Chinese are receiving a discount. It would give Boeing 186 announced 7E7 orders. Of those, final contracts have been signed for 56.

Boeing spokesman Todd Blecher confirmed that the Chinese are ordering 7E7s, but said it was up to the customers to announce details. He called the deal a “substantial agreement.”

All Chinese airliner orders are approved by the government and made through its China Aviation Supply Co.

Boeing has invited VIPs to the midday signing ceremony at the Commerce Department in Washington DC. Chinese Ambassador Yang Jiechi and Boeing Commercial Airplanes chief Alan Mulally will be among the signers.

Chinese officials also are expected to be in Paris Friday to sign a deal to buy five A380 superjumbo jets from Airbus.http://cdn.news.aol.com/aolnews_photos/0e/00/20050128175509990027

Isan

January 29th, 2005, 06:02 AM

United Parcel Service Inc. said Friday it will buy 11 pre-owned Boeing MD-11 aircraft for an undisclosed sum.

The acquisition will not require any adjustment to Atlanta-based UPS' capital spending plans. Following the purchase, UPS will have 28 MD-11s in its fleet; 15 of those planes are already in service.

UPS will take delivery of the first of the 11 aircraft during the first quarter, with the remaining deliveries extending through 2007.

The MD-11 can carry up to 190,000 pounds of cargo and a range of nearly 3,900 nautical miles.

UPS (NYSE:UPS) employs 1,500 at its heavyweight cargo sorting hub at Dayton International Airport. The company acquired the hub as part of a deal late last year with former owner CNF Inc.

huaiwei

January 30th, 2005, 05:05 PM

Posted: 30 January 2005 1139 hrs

Airbus, Boeing throw down the gauntlet for China

SHANGHAI : China's purchases of more than 11 billion dollars' worth of Airbus and Boeing jets last week highlights the increasing importance of the Chinese aviation market as the two rivals battle for supremacy of the skies.

On Thursday flag carrier Air China agreed to a long-rumored deal to buy 20 A330-200 aircraft from Airbus worth 2.86 billion dollars, prompting French Transport Minister Gilles de Robien to call it a "political victory."

Celebrations at Airbus were shortlived however as US-based Boeing trumped its European foe with its own multi-billion dollar deal to sell its new fuel-efficient 787 Dreamliner to six Chinese airlines.

Boeing, which formally renamed the jet the Boeing 787 Dreamliner, signed Friday a preliminary agreement in Washington with Chinese officials for 60 aircraft worth 7.2 billion dollars based on catalog prices.

Air China, China Eastern Airlines, China Southern Airlines, Hainan Airlines, Shanghai Airlines and Xiamen Airlines will have at least one of the new 200-plus seaters by the 2008 Beijing Olympics, the company said.

"The 787's advantages in efficiency, economics, environmental performance and passenger comfort are perfectly matched for China's growing, world-class aviation system," said Alan Mulally, president and chief executive of Boeing Commercial Airplanes.

Not to be outdone, Airbus too signed another breakthrough deal Friday, this time for its new giant A380 to be delivered to China Southern Airlines, one of the country's top three carriers.

At list price, the order for five of the 555-seater superjumbos, the first sold in China, tops 1.4 billion dollars in a deal Airbus parent European Aeronautic Defence and Space Company (EADS) has been waiting to sign for months.

Analysts said the see-saw announcements underscore the high-flying stakes between Chicago-based Boeing and its larger rival as they maneuver for orders in China, where annual economic growth of more than nine percent has ramped up demand for air travel.

"The competition between the two manufacturers is very intense," said Li Lei, an airlines analyst at Huaxia Securities.

With both manufacturers locked in a global dogfight for sales of their new jets, China, which is expected to build up a fleet of 2,800 craft over the next 20 years and become the world's second-largest commercial aviation market after the United States, is a key battleground.

"In the longer term, China is going to be a very big market. There's going to be demand for a lot of different types of aircraft," said Peter Negline, an analyst from JP Morgan.

Boeing currently has more than a 60 percent market share in China but has lost ground over the past decade to Airbus, which aims to raise the share of its jets in the Chinese fleet from around 25 percent to 50 percent in the near future.

"Currently, Airbus is developing more quickly in China than Airbus," Li said. "But I think that the domination of Boeing will not change in the short run."

Last year Airbus soared toward its goal, outpacing its US rival here with orders for 58 aircraft, but Boeing's newest agreement bodes well for the company as it seeks to overcome disappointing sales of the 787.

"The 787 is an aircraft that will arguably fit very well into the operating fleets of a number of the airlines in China," said Negline.

That would be good news for Boeing which last year fell well short of its goal of getting 200 firm orders worldwide for the Dreamliner by the end of 2004. It managed only 56, with a further 126 declarations of intent.

Airbus in the meantime, including deliveries to China Southern, has a total 154 global orders for its A380.

But to continue winning orders in China both manufacturers will also have to navigate the fickle winds of Sino-European and Sino-American politics, analysts said.

"In China, the purchases of planes is not decided only by the airline companies, it depends on the willingness of the government," Li said.

Chris Sendor, an aviation analyst at DBS Securities in Singapore, added: "I am sure China is going to spread the wealth as far as who they are going to buy from."

- AFP

hkskyline

January 31st, 2005, 06:44 PM

Boeing Targets Asia As Lead Market In Wake Of China Deal
By Nicholas Sinclair
31 January 2005

SYDNEY (Dow Jones)--Spurred by its multibillion dollar deal with Chinese airlines, Boeing Co. (BA) Monday said it will continue targeting the Asia-Pacific region as it markets the Boeing 787 Dreamliner.

"Asia-Pacific is growing faster and stronger, so there will be more activity where there's growth," said John Feren, Boeing's vice president of sales and service on the 787 program.

Previously known as the 7E7, the new aircraft will be delivered to the six Chinese airlines in time for the next Summer Olympics. With a list price of US$120 million, each plane will carry between 200 and 300 passengers on long haul routes stretching up to 8,500 nautical miles.

Despite a 10 plane commitment from Continental Airlines Inc. (CAL), Boeing has modest expectations about the number of 787's it will sell in North America.

The most recent financial losses posted by the leading U.S. carriers "were staggering", Feren said. "Against the backdrop of losing literally billions of dollars, by individual companies, to go to your shareholders and make a new fleet recommendation is somewhat difficult," he added.

After Asia, the Middle East ranks second in terms of order potential for Boeing, followed by Europe and Africa, then South America, and then North America. "There's no better piece of evidence that the world has changed, in terms of influence on aviation, that the most reputable, strongest aviation companies are not inside the United States, certainly on an international basis," Feren said.

On Friday, Boeing said it agreed to sell 60 of the 787 aircraft to the China Aviation Supplies Import & Export Corp., the government company which imports civil aircraft for China. While the deal with six Chinese airlines has a value of US$7.2 billion, large orders such as this typically involve discounts to the list price.

Analysts said the order is a welcome relief for Boeing after Airbus received several large orders in recent months and is trying to drum up support for the A350, its proposed alternative to the Dreamliner.

Orders To Exceed 200 In Near Future

Driven in large measure by growth in China, Feren said only a minority of the new aircraft sold by Boeing will go toward replacing existing capacity.

The first major buyer of the 787, Japan's All Nippon Airways Co., chose the plane primarily to replace existing jets. But "it's our view, long term, that 70% of these sales will be for growth and 30% will be for replacement", he said.

"You look at China, that market is growing 20% to 30% a year," Feren added.

In addition to ANA and the Chinese carriers, Vietnam Airlines, Air New Zealand Ltd. and Japan Airlines Corp. are among the 787's 14 announced customers.

Based on 116 firm orders and 70 tentative orders, Boeing has received 186 commitments for 787 aircraft.

"We fully expect to be well past 200 (orders) in the very near future... this isn't the end by any stretch," said Feren, who added there is "tremendous interest" among carriers for the 200-300 seat aircraft.

Compared to European rival Airbus' A380 double-decker aircraft, the 787 has a much larger pool of potential buyers, partly by being more appealing to airlines in developing countries, he said.

While Airbus A380 is "a tremendous industrial achievement", the European manufacturer's decision late last year to develop its own aircraft in the 200-300 seat category is a vindication for Boeing, Feren said.

"If there wasn't a lot of interest in this market segment, why would they spend US$5 billion building a new entry, they would just compete the A380 against our 787," he added.

Isan

February 3rd, 2005, 10:51 AM

SHANGHAI (AFP) - China's purchases of more than 11 billion dollars' worth of Airbus and Boeing jets last week highlights the increasing importance of the Chinese aviation market as the two rivals battle for supremacy of the skies.

On Thursday flag carrier Air China agreed to a long-rumored deal to buy 20 A330-200 aircraft from Airbus worth 2.86 billion dollars, prompting French Transport Minister Gilles de Robien to call it a "political victory."

Celebrations at Airbus were shortlived however as US-based Boeing trumped its European foe with its own multi-billion dollar deal to sell its new fuel-efficient 787 Dreamliner to six Chinese airlines.

Boeing, which formally renamed the jet the Boeing 787 Dreamliner, signed Friday a preliminary agreement in Washington with Chinese officials for 60 aircraft worth 7.2 billion dollars based on catalog prices.

Air China, China Eastern Airlines, China Southern Airlines, Hainan Airlines, Shanghai Airlines and Xiamen Airlines will have at least one of the new 200-plus seaters by the 2008 Beijing Olympics, the company said.

"The 787's advantages in efficiency, economics, environmental performance and passenger comfort are perfectly matched for China's growing, world-class aviation system," said Alan Mulally, president and chief executive of Boeing Commercial Airplanes.

Not to be outdone, Airbus too signed another breakthrough deal Friday, this time for its new giant A380 to be delivered to China Southern Airlines, one of the country's top three carriers.

At list price, the order for five of the 555-seater superjumbos, the first sold in China, tops 1.4 billion dollars in a deal Airbus parent European Aeronautic Defence and Space Company (EADS) has been waiting to sign for months.

Analysts said the see-saw announcements underscore the high-flying stakes between Chicago-based Boeing and its larger rival as they maneuver for orders in China, where annual economic growth of more than nine percent has ramped up demand for air travel.

"The competition between the two manufacturers is very intense," said Li Lei, an airlines analyst at Huaxia Securities.

With both manufacturers locked in a global dogfight for sales of their new jets, China, which is expected to build up a fleet of 2,800 craft over the next 20 years and become the world's second-largest commercial aviation market after the United States, is a key battleground.

"In the longer term, China is going to be a very big market. There's going to be demand for a lot of different types of aircraft," said Peter Negline, an analyst from JP Morgan.

Boeing currently has more than a 60 percent market share in China but has lost ground over the past decade to Airbus, which aims to raise the share of its jets in the Chinese fleet from around 25 percent to 50 percent in the near future.

"Currently, Airbus is developing more quickly in China than Airbus," Li said. "But I think that the domination of Boeing will not change in the short run."

Last year Airbus soared toward its goal, outpacing its US rival here with orders for 58 aircraft, but Boeing's newest agreement bodes well for the company as it seeks to overcome disappointing sales of the 787.

"The 787 is an aircraft that will arguably fit very well into the operating fleets of a number of the airlines in China," said Negline.

That would be good news for Boeing which last year fell well short of its goal of getting 200 firm orders worldwide for the Dreamliner by the end of 2004. It managed only 56, with a further 126 declarations of intent.

Airbus in the meantime, including deliveries to China Southern, has a total 154 global orders for its A380.

But to continue winning orders in China both manufacturers will also have to navigate the fickle winds of Sino-European and Sino-American politics, analysts said.

"In China, the purchases of planes is not decided only by the airline companies, it depends on the willingness of the government," Li said.

Chris Sendor, an aviation analyst at DBS Securities in Singapore, added: "I am sure China is going to spread the wealth as far as who they are going to buy from."http://www.turkishpress.com/i/0/l_afp.gif

Isan

February 3rd, 2005, 10:58 AM

All Nippon will order two Boeing 777s

By Dominic Gates

Seattle Times aerospace reporter

Resisting the allure of Airbus' A380 superjumbo, Japanese carrier All Nippon Airways (ANA) signaled yesterday that it will turn to Boeing's 777 widebody for its large airplane requirements in the foreseeable future.

In a statement describing its three-year plan and future strategy, All Nippon said it will place a new order for two Boeing 777-300ERs and convert a previous order for two 767-300ERs to 777-300ERs.

The fresh order and the upgrade are worth about $660 million at list prices.

"ANA's large-type aircraft for the foreseeable future is the 777," said spokesman Tom Fredo.

The All Nippon strategic plan includes a long-term imperative to reduce its large-aircraft fleet from four to one.

Chances are that one will be the 777. All Nippon operates 26 777s, and with the new order has 18 more scheduled for delivery.

An A380 purchase remains an outside possibility in the longer term, beyond 2010, if the super-sized European jet proves successful elsewhere.

All Nippon President Yoji Ohashi said in December in Tokyo that the airline would watch with great interest the introduction of the A380 by Singapore Airlines in 2006.

All Nippon is already committed to Boeing for its small- and medium-size jets.

In its three-year plan, it envisages eliminating its Airbus A320 narrowbodies in favor of Boeing 737s and replacing 767 medium-size jets with the new 787.

Last year the airline placed a 50-plane launch order for the 787, formerly designated the 7E7.

Japan is a hugely important customer for Boeing and has been solid in its loyalty. Boeing has heavily subcontracted work to Japanese industrial partners, including major 777 work and the wings of the 787.

The other major Japanese carrier, Japan Air Lines, is not yet committed to an exclusive Boeing relationship.

Japan Air Lines is actively considering both Airbus' A320 and Boeing's 737 for a massive renewal of its narrowbody fleet. As many as 90 airplanes could be ordered later this year.

A person familiar with the company's thinking said the airline would prefer to work with two aircraft suppliers. In December, Japan Air Lines placed an order for 30 midsize Boeing 787s.

All Nippon's conversion of the two 767 orders to 777s could affect the life expectancy of the 767 production line in Everett.

Because the 767-based Air Force tanker deal is on hold after a damaging procurement scandal, Boeing has had to slow production to a crawl. With one jet rolling out every month and a half, the All Nippon order switch shaves three months off committed production.

The company has to provide suppliers with about 18 months warning of the end of production.

Boeing spokeswoman Leslie Nichols said yesterday that the All Nippon 767 order conversion had already been factored into Boeing's decision schedule. She said that mid-2005 remains the time frame for a decision on whether to keep the production line open.

The 767 backlog is just 23 airplanes. But that includes two remaining All Nippon Airways' 767-300ERs that are not due for delivery until 2008. If Boeing this summer were to announce an end to production, those orders would likely be converted too.

Isan

February 4th, 2005, 06:18 AM

Brazil's Gol Adds 20 Boeing 737 Options

February 3, 2005

Brazil's Gol Linhas Aereas Inteligentes has added an option to buy 20 Boeing 737-800 planes on top of an earlier order of up to 43 of the aircraft, the budget airline said on Thursday.

The 737-800s on order, scheduled for delivery between 2006 and 2010, will allow Gol to land at airports with shorter runways, Gol said.

The order reaffirms Gol's expansion throughout Brazil and the rest of South America. It began flying to Argentina late last year.

Gol did not give a value for the transaction.

The original order for 43 airplanes was signed in May last year.

(Reuters)

Isan

February 4th, 2005, 02:45 PM

Japan Airlines chooses Boeing over Airbus

Friday 4th February, 2005 (UPI)

Japan Airlines said Friday it would buy up to 40 aircraft from Boeing of Chicago.

Asia's largest air carrier, in terms of sales, said the new 737 airplanes would replace its current fleet of 737 and McDonnell Douglas models.

JAL said it had already placed orders for 30 planes, to be delivered next year. The company also said it might order another 10 planes from Boeing.

France's Airbus had been in competition with Boeing for orders from the airline, but JAL Vice President Fumio Tsuchiya said that Boeing won out because the carrier wants to keep the variety of aircraft makes and models in its fleet at a minimum.

The bulk of JAL's 280 planes are from Boeing.http://www.japanair.com/e/images/logo.gif

Japan Airlines Orders Next-Generation Jets From Boeing in $1.8 Billion Deal

The Associated Press
Published: Feb 4, 2005

TOKYO (AP) - Japan Airlines is ordering 30 jets from Boeing Co. in a contract worth about $1.8 billion, the companies said Friday.

The order for the 737NG, which stands for "next generation," follows an order by Japan Airlines in December for 30 of Boeing's new widebody jets called the 787, formerly dubbed the 7E7.

Chicago-based Boeing applies the "next generation" tag to its 700, 800 and 900 versions of the 737, and Japan Airlines did not specify which mix of those models it will select.

The 737NG, an improved version of the older 737 series, are longer versions that seat about 180 people and are billed as requiring low operational costs.

Friday's order includes an option to buy 10 more in the spring. JAL plans to begin the 737 flights next year.

JAL said it was placing the orders for domestic flights ahead of an expansion at Tokyo's Haneda Airport.

The fuel-efficient Boeing 787 is due to go into service in 2008.

Nephasto

February 4th, 2005, 04:02 PM

Japan Airlines chooses Boeing over Airbus

That's not what i call a surprise. ;)

Nephasto

February 5th, 2005, 12:36 AM

I would like to start a list of all Airbus' and Boeing's orders and commitments for new aircrafts in 2005. (Options won't be counted!)

This list will be updated everytime there are new orders or commitments.

Orders there were placed in 2004 and were only officialy signed this year won't count! (I think this is the case of the 10 340-600 order placed by Virgin Atlantic which was signed in this January and appears on airbus official orders for 2005. But as it was already ordered in 2004 (i think it was) it won't count)

I don't know the exact facts, and the list may not be the easiest thing to do, because sometimes i think there will be doubts on what should or shouldn't be included.

I'm going to start this list by doing something like a draft, because it's nothing accurate, just what i remember, so please, feel free to make corrections and updates to the list!

To finalize, i must say this beggining of 2005 is being a very good one for boeing... but airbus is going to fight back! ;) (go airbus! :D). Lol, kiding... i don't want to turn this into a airbus vs boeing thread, so let's all get along peacefully! :)
I will post the list in the next post!

Nephasto

February 5th, 2005, 01:26 AM

List of orders and comitments in 2005:

Airbus

330
Northwest Airlines - 8
Air China - 20

350
Air Europa - 10 (I'm including this as it was annouced on the last days of 2004)

380
China Southern - 5
UPS - 10

Single Aisles = 0
Wide bodies = 53

TOTAL = 53

Boeing

737
Air Europa - 3
GOL - 20 (are this orders or just options?)
JAL - 30
Buraq Air - 6
Icelandair - 10

777
ANA - 4 (I've considered the 2 767-300ER converted to 777's as orders)

787
Air China - 15
China Eastern - 15
China Southern - 13
Hainan Airlines - 8
Shanghai Airlines - 6
Xiamen Airlines - 3
Continental - 10 (I'm including this as it was annouced on the last days of 2004)
JAL - 30 (I'm including this as it was annouced on the last days of 2004)
Vietnam Airlines - 4 (I'm including this as it was annouced on the last days of 2004)
Ethiopian - 5

Single Aisles = 69
Wide bodies = 113

TOTAL = 182

Aircraft orders in 2005 (Summary to 31st of January 2005) (The official numbers, which only shows firm orders signed this year and that is what will count for the year end results)(taken from airbus and boeing websites):
Airbus-38
Boeing-20

Nephasto

February 5th, 2005, 01:44 AM

Now feel free to add orders or correct/answer my doubts! ;)

STR

February 6th, 2005, 05:57 AM

If you're counting order that came just before new years, then you should probably add the 3 737s ordered by Air Europa the Tuesday before Jan 1st. Especially if you include the A350 memorandum of understanding from the week before.

Nephasto

February 7th, 2005, 12:15 AM

Isan

February 7th, 2005, 05:13 PM

Airbus Still In Talks With India Airlines For Big Orders

02-07-05 07:30 AM EST

NEW DELHI -(Dow Jones)- Europe's Airbus (ABI.YY) is in continuing discussions with state-run airlines Air-India (AIN.YY) and Indian Airlines Ltd. (IAIR.YY) for their large orders for new airplanes, an Airbus official said Monday.

"We are in discussions with Indian Airlines," said David Velupillai, regional press manager of Airbus. "We are working toward finalizing the order."

Indian Airlines, which flies mainly on domestic routes, has decided to buy 43 A320s and is likely to place the orders after negotiating a price, government officials have said.

Velupillai said Airbus was also pitching for international carrier Air-India's order of 50 airplanes for which it is competing against Boeing Co. (BA).

Competition in India's aviation market is heating up with rapidly rising passenger traffic and easing government policies. In the fiscal year ended March 31, 2004, India's inbound and outbound passenger traffic was up 11% at 49 million.

Velupillai said Airbus is raising its forecast for the market soon in wake of the unprecedented growth.

"We had underestimated the size of the market," said Velupillai.

Airbus's earlier forecast was that India will need 220 planes by 2019, but at a press conference in December, Airbus Chief Commercial Officer John Leahy said the real potential could be 400 planes.

Velupillai said that economic growth coupled with the rise of low cost aviation are stimulating the aviation market.

last year, India's first budget airline, Air Deccan, started operations, while Kingfisher Air and Air-India Express plan to start flying this year.

India's economy is likely to grow 6.9% in 2004-05, slower than last year's 8.5% pace powered by the manufacturing and energy sectors, the government said.

Dow Jones Newswires

Isan

February 7th, 2005, 05:15 PM

Boeing Revises Estimate Of India Aircraft Market To $35 Billion

02-07-05 03:55 AM EST

BANGALORE, India -(Dow Jones)- Boeing Co. (BA) Monday raised its estimate of the size of the aircraft market in India, which is emerging as a big shopper for new planes to meet the rising demand from air travelers.

"Our earlier estimate for the next 20 years was for 300 aircraft valued at around $25 billion," Boeing's President for aircraft trading, Dinesh Keskar, said at an air show in Bangalore.

"We are now revising it to somewhere in the region of $35 billion. The earlier forecast (in June 2003) was made when the liberalization policy was not in place," said Keskar.

Since then, India has opened up its aviation infrastructure to more competition, allowing privately run local airlines to fly lucrative routes to Europe and Southeast Asia.

Keskar said Boeing is in the race for the 50 aircraft state-run overseas carrier Air India (AIN.YY) wants to buy.

"The bid was made in December. The order value is significantly high, somewhere in the region of $6 billion-$7 billion," he said.

The U.S. manufacturer has offered Air India three types of aircraft - the 220- 250-seat Boeing 787, the 380-seat Boeing 777-300 ER, and the 250-seat Boeing 777-200 LR.

"All the three aircraft are in the running for this order. We feel that there are compelling advantages that will hopefully result in a sale," said Keskar.

Air India is looking to revamp its aging fleet and arrest the decline in its share of overseas passenger traffic. At present, 72% of travelers flying in and out of India prefer to fly foreign airlines.

Dow Jones Newswires

ZuluKingOfTheDwarfPeople

February 8th, 2005, 03:54 AM

Customer announced orders and commitments for the 787 now total 191 airplanes, including 56 under firm contract. Boeing is holding unannounced commitments for another 59 aircraft.[2] (http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/news/channel_awst_story.jsp?id=news/02075wna.xml) This makes the 787 the fastest-ever selling Boeing airliner upon launch; the 747 sold 85 units during the same period. Negotiations remain underway with a number of key airlines worldwide. They expect to have 500 orders by entry into service (EIS).

Isan

February 8th, 2005, 05:30 AM

Boeing sells 737s to Libyan airline
Ken Vandruff

A privately owned Libyan airline signed an order for six Boeing 737-800s, according to the airline officials.

The order from Buraq Airlines is valued at $366 million. The first three planes will be delivered in the first half of 2006, said Mohammed Abdel Aziz, Buraq's chief executive.

The jets will be used for routes to Europe and the Middle East in competition with state-owned Libyan Arab Airlines.

Buraq Air is Libya's first private airline. It owns six aircraft and leases another seven that it uses on flights between Tripoli and Benghazi.

Boeing's (NYSE: BA) Wichita division builds 75 percent of the 737 airframe.

Isan

February 8th, 2005, 12:49 PM

Shenzhen Airlines recruits Airbus 320 to expand fleet

www.chinaview.cn 2005-02-08 14:35:29

BEIJING, Feb. 8 (Xinhuanet) -- Shenzhen Airlines, based in Shenzhen City in south China's Guangdong Province, has signed an agreement with Airbus on the purchase of an Airbus 320, the first to be recruited into its fleet.

　　An official with the Shenzhen Airlines said the newly-purchased aircraft has more than 150 seats, which will be reduced to about 130 after it is delivered at the end of April this year.

Cutting the number of seats will enlarge the space between seats that will make passengers feel comfortable, the official said.

Launched in 1992 and becoming operational in 1993, Shenzhen airline company now has eight Boeing 737s. The airlines flies more than 30 domestic air routes linking Shenzhen with Beijing, Shanghai, Wuhan, Nanjing, Harbin, Chengdu and Haikou, among others.Enditem

Isan

February 9th, 2005, 03:48 PM

India's Royal Airways To Buy 10 Boeing 737s

February 9, 2005

Boeing said on Wednesday it will sell 10 737-800 planes to Royal Airways for USD$630 million for the Indian airline's new discount carrier, SpiceJet, and saw more such deals ahead.

Royal Airways has the option to buy 10 more 737-800s, Boeing said in a statement, coinciding with the Aero India industry show in Bangalore.

Dinesh Keskar, president of Boeing's aircraft trading business, said that India's growing private airlines and fleet expansion plans by state-run Indian Airlines and Air-India had set the stage for more sales.

"In India, domestic growth in the industry is phenomenal. It is 20 percent, and Air-India is a big story as it needs 50 wide-bodied aircraft," Keskar said.

Jet Airways, opening an initial public offer of shares next week, was already a Boeing customer for 737 jets, he said, and a potential customer for long-range aircraft following India's recent decision to allow local private airlines to fly overseas.

Boeing rival Airbus said on Tuesday that private Indian airlines offered immense scope for growth. Airbus made recent sales to both Air Deccan and Kingfisher Airlines, both part of a low-cost airline trend in India.

(Reuters)

Indian based SpiceJet orders 10 Boeings

9 February 2005

SpiceJet, a new Indian based carrier, is ordering up to 20 Boeing Next-Generation 737-800 airplanes for domestic routes within India.

Details were provided during the Aero India 2005 air show. SpiceJet placed a firm order for ten airplanes, valued at $630 million at list prices, and has options for ten more. First delivery is scheduled for 2006.

"Boeing's willingness to work closely with us to meet all of our needs is an example of Boeing's superb commitment to its customers," said SpiceJet Board Director Bhulo Kansagra. "The superior operating economics of the Next-Generation 737 are especially important in light of continued rising fuels costs."

SpiceJet begins service in May with three leased Boeing 737-800s. Based in New Delhi, the airline is one of India 's newest start-up private carriers.

"It is gratifying to partner with SpiceJet to help them achieve profitability and provide reliable and comfortable service ," said Dinesh Keskar, vice president - Sales and president - Boeing Aircraft Trading, Boeing Commercial Airplanes. "The 737, especially the Next-Generation 737, has played an integral role in Indian aviation."

Nephasto

February 9th, 2005, 10:37 PM

List of orders and comitments in 2005:

Airbus

320's
Kingfisher Airlines - 3
Shenzhen Airlines - 1

330
Northwest Airlines - 8
Air China - 20

350
Air Europa - 10

380
China Southern - 5
UPS - 10

Single Aisles = 4
Wide bodies = 53

TOTAL = 57

Boeing

737
Air Europa - 3
JAL - 30
Buraq Air - 6
Icelandair - 10
SpiceJet - 10

777
ANA - 4
Air France - 4

787
Air China - 15
China Eastern - 15
China Southern - 13
Hainan Airlines - 8
Shanghai Airlines - 6
Xiamen Airlines - 3
Continental - 10
JAL - 30
Vietnam Airlines - 4
Ethiopian - 5

Single Aisles = 59
Wide bodies = 117

TOTAL = 176

Aircraft orders in 2005 (updated monthly) (Summary to 31st of January 2005) (The official numbers, which only shows firm orders signed this year and that is what will count for the year end results)(taken from airbus and boeing websites):
Airbus-38
Boeing-20

Nephasto

February 9th, 2005, 10:38 PM

I've removed GOL's 20 737's because those are just options.
Also, I've added these last orders.

Isan

February 10th, 2005, 06:31 AM

Removed to "India's Royal Airways To Buy 10 Boeing 737s" as below caused same issued

And THX to Nephasto :)

Nephasto

February 10th, 2005, 06:41 PM

edited... no longer necessary. ;)

February 11th, 2005, 04:42 PM

The Washington Post is reporting that Boeing will stop building the 747, if no airlines can be found that would order a new extended 747...

RIP B747

Nephasto

February 11th, 2005, 05:11 PM

The Washington Post is reporting that Boeing will stop building the 747, if no airlines can be found that would order a new extended 747...

RIP B747

Really?! I thought the 747 adv was well under way!
Well, let's see what happens...

Isan

February 11th, 2005, 05:26 PM

The Washington Post is reporting that Boeing will stop building the 747, if no airlines can be found that would order a new extended 747...

RIP B747

B747 Advanced is still has a market dynamic, compare with A380

Like as CX who is showing of great potential for detail

747 Advanced (http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=169753)

February 11th, 2005, 05:52 PM

Really?! I thought the 747 adv was well under way!
Well, let's see what happens...

yeah, see here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/Search?keywords=boeing (first article)

I would never have thought, that the A380 could bring the end for the B747 (so soon).

STR

February 12th, 2005, 03:30 AM

That article says nothing we don't know already. It simply says IF Boeing gets too few orders, they won't build the 747A and they'll end 747-400 production. If they don't get enough orders. "If" being the keyword.

At this point, Boeing is still shopping for orders. So far a couple of carriers, such as Cargolux, have already publicly stated that they are "very interested" in a stretch 747. No committments for the 747A in particular, but it seems there is a market. Boeing won't make a final go/no go decision until the end of this quarter, at the earliest.

Isan

February 12th, 2005, 08:33 AM

WestJet To Replace 737 Fleet

February 11, 2005

WestJet Airlines said on Friday it will replace its entire fleet of 737-200 series planes over the next 12 months with 16 next-generation Boeing 737 planes, resulting in "significant" savings.

The Calgary-based no-frills carrier said it will take a CAD$47.6 million write-down in its fourth quarter as a result of the early replacement of the planes.

Replacing the fleet, which consists of 15 operating aircraft and three spares, will cut costs because the next-generation planes are about 30 percent more fuel efficient, WestJet said.

The new planes are capable of greater utilization, share a common parts pool, training programs, flight decks, and interchangeable crews and maintenance personnel.

The replacement plan was approved by WestJet's board in December, 2004.

(Reuters)

February 12th, 2005, 01:37 PM

That article says nothing we don't know already. It simply says IF Boeing gets too few orders, they won't build the 747A and they'll end 747-400 production. If they don't get enough orders. "If" being the keyword.

uh hello? that's what I said too (see my post #69 !!). the truth is that boeing won't get any orders for an extended 747 and people from boeing know that. no one said they already decided to drop the 747. but time is running out quickly.

STR

February 13th, 2005, 12:44 AM

No, what you said went way beyond what I stated. You took what the article said then went off on a tanget cliaming it won't get any orders and that Boeing should kill the project. A hefty assumption when Cathy Pacific, Cargolux, PAC, and several other major airlines/ cargo haulers have expressed interest in a stretched 747.

Isan

February 13th, 2005, 07:58 AM

Yes indeed

Now Boeing is waiting for QF comments about B747-Advanced

Cover story (http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=169753)

Nephasto

February 17th, 2005, 05:19 PM

Air France orders more 777s Feb 17
Air France has exercised an option to buy 4 Boeing 777-300s. The first 2 aircraft are scheduled to be delivered by April 2006.

Source: www.justplanes.com

Isan

February 18th, 2005, 05:12 PM

Spain's Iberia Close To Placing Big Plane Order
February 18, 2005

Spain's dominant airline Iberia is days away from placing an order for between 50 and 70 planes with either Europe's Airbus or its US rival Boeing, a spokesman said on Friday.

"We are in the final stages of negotiations... It's an imminent decision... a question of days," he said.

Iberia intends to replace 38 ageing Douglas and McDonnell Douglas aircraft and 13 leased Boeing 757s, used on its shorter routes, plus a number of its earliest Airbus A320s, which are 12 or 13 years old.

"It (the order) could be for around 70 planes," the spokesman said.

It is likely to choose between Boeing's latest models of 737 or Airbus's A320 family of planes. List prices for the smaller of the 737s start from USD$44 million.

Boeing's Chief Executive Harry Stonecipher met Iberia directors on Thursday in Madrid.

Asked whether Boeing was confident of winning the order at a press briefing before his meeting, he said: "We rate our chances as very good if it is truly a commercial decision."

Spain is one of the shareholders in EADS, which controls the European planemaker, and Iberia's last major fleet orders have all gone Airbus' way.

Iberia's board meets on Thursday, but the spokesman could not immediately confirm whether the aircraft order was on the agenda for the next meeting.

(Reuters)

Isan

February 19th, 2005, 05:02 PM

Kingfisher to buy 3 Airbus planes

February 19, 2005 17:10 IST

The UB group's Kingfisher Airlines, which is planning to launch operations in May, announced the signing of deals to purchase three Airbus A-319 aircraft.

The airline has already placed firm orders for a total of 33 aircraft from Airbus including 10 A-320s and three A-319s with options to buy 20 more planes.

Announcing the deal to acquire the three A-319s, Kingfisher Airlines chief Vijay Mallya said the 144-seater aircrafts "will complement the capabilities of the fleet and serve the needs of traffic on routes of Bangalore where these aircraft will be based."

In addition to these aircraft, the "high value" private carrier has also leased four brand new A-320-200 aircraft from Debis Air Finance, the leasing company of DaimlerChrysler.

The A-319s have a list price of Rs 673 crore ($153 million), taking the total value of the order to Rs 8,492 crore ($1.93 billion).

An airline spokesman said it would provide services and amenities that would be "the first of its kind in the domestic aviation market in the country."

Isan

February 22nd, 2005, 04:48 PM

European Leaders Lobby Poles To Pick Airbus
February 22, 2005

France, Britain and Germany have put political pressure on Poland to have its flag carrier buy new aircraft from Airbus and not its US rival Boeing, a Polish newspaper reported on Tuesday.

The state-owned airline LOT said last year it planned to buy five to eight planes to replace the Boeing 767s it leases for its long-distance, mainly transatlantic routes. The Rzeczpospolita daily said French President Jacques Chirac, German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder and British Prime Minister Tony Blair sent letters to Prime Minister Marek Belka in December to lay out the advantages of Airbus's offer.

"Such political marketing, even at the top level, is nothing unusual," the newspaper quoted an official from the prime minister's office as saying. The newspaper said Belka read the letters, but had not taken any action.

The Polish airline has insisted it will choose the best offer commercially, but some analysts say politics will inevitably play a role as the new EU member agonises again over its split loyalty between Europe and the United States.

LOT was due to choose the new planes by the end of last year but delayed the decision as part of a vigorous cost-cutting program which has driven the airline, a member of the Lufthansa-led Star Alliance network, back into profit.

Rzeczpospolita reported Boeing has offered LOT six planes for USD$500 million. It gave no details of the value of the offer of the European maker, saying only it was seen as roughly comparable on price.

Before it joined the European Union, Poland caused an outcry among some EU members by choosing Lockheed Martin's F-16 fighter jets over Dassault's Mirage and the Gripen produced by Saab and BAE Systems.

EU diplomats said awarding the USD$3.5 billion deal to a US company at a time when Poland was pressing the EU for better entry conditions at best amounted to ingratitude and at worst was a display of disloyalty.

(Reuters)

Nephasto

February 23rd, 2005, 05:51 PM

GOL orders 5 more 737-800s Feb 23
Gol Linhas Aereas Inteligentes has converted options to purchase 5 Boeing 737-800s into firm orders. This increases the airline's firm orders to 26 B737s. The aircraft are scheduled to be delivered between 2006 and 2010.

Source: www.justplanes.com

Nephasto

February 23rd, 2005, 05:57 PM

List of orders and comitments in 2005:

Airbus

A300
UPS: -37

A320's
Kingfisher Airlines: 3
Shenzhen Airlines: 1
Iberia: 30

A330
Northwest Airlines: 8
Air China: 20

A350
Air Europa: 10

A380
China Southern: 5
UPS: 10

Single Aisles = 34
Wide bodies = 16

TOTAL = 50

Boeing

737
Air Europa: 3
JAL: 30
Buraq Air: 6
Icelandair: 10
SpiceJet: 10
GOL: 5
Ryanair: 70

767
ANA: -2

777
ANA: 4
Air France: 4

787
Air China: 15
China Eastern: 15
China Southern: 13
Hainan Airlines: 8
Shanghai Airlines: 6
Xiamen Airlines: 3
Continenta: 10
JAL: 30
Vietnam Airlines: 4
Ethiopian: 5
Icelandair: 2

Single Aisles = 134
Wide bodies = 117

TOTAL = 251

Aircraft orders in 2005 (updated monthly) (Summary to 31st of January 2005) (The official numbers, which only shows firm orders signed this year and that is what will count for the year end results)(taken from airbus and boeing websites):
Airbus:38
Boeing:20

Nephasto

February 23rd, 2005, 06:02 PM

^ I've added the last orders and i've also added the cancelations(conversions):
UPS converted 37 A300's into 10 A380's, so they canceled 37 A300's.
Also ANA converted 2 767's into 2 777's, so they canceled 2 767's.

This is nothing new, i just wasn't taking cancelations into account in the previous lists.

Nephasto

February 24th, 2005, 08:41 PM

Ryanair today ordered 70 737-800's.

Isan

February 24th, 2005, 09:32 PM

Ryanair today ordered 70 737-800's.

Yeah, Pretty good for Boeing :okay:

Ryanair Buys Boeing Jets Worth USD$4 Billion

February 24, 2005
Ryanair said it ordered new planes worth USD$4 billion from Boeing on Thursday as part of plans to double the number of passengers it carries by 2012.

Dublin-based Ryanair, which has been expanding aggressively amid tough competition, said it had ordered 70 Boeing 737-800 aircraft and had taken options to buy a further 70.

Boeing's list price for the plane is USD$65 million, putting the value of the deal at up to USD$9.1 billion if all options are converted to firm orders, though discounts are common.

Ryanair said the deal would enable it to create 2,500 jobs and expand to become Europe's largest airline in seven years. The jobs will include pilots, cabin crew and engineers and reflect plans to open 10 new bases, it said.

"This will enable Ryanair to offer even lower fares and underpin our growth strategy as we plan to double traffic from 34 million passengers in 2005/06 to over 70 million passengers in 2011/12," Chairman David Bonderman said in a statement.

The new aircraft are scheduled for delivery between 2008 and 2012.

Ryanair had warned of a bloodbath for European airlines this winter as stiff competition drives out rivals, high fuel costs bite and ticket prices fall.

However, it raised forecasts last month after a stronger-than-expected third quarter and has continued to expand despite falling yields -- or average revenues per passenger.

"Further growth from Ryanair is not in itself a surprise, but we would be surprised to see such an order so close to the yield difficulties of last year," UBS said in a note to clients.

It was unclear how Ryanair would fund the orders, although the company has a strong balance sheet. Analysts said it was significant that Bonderman, head of private equity firm Texas Pacific and veteran airline investor, announced the order.

The airline's outspoken Chief Executive Michael O'Leary usually dominates Ryanair's public announcements.

The deal is a boost for Boeing in its efforts to recover the market lead for aircraft sales from rival Airbus, which has topped it in annual deliveries for the last two years.

Ryanair also announced plans to install fuel-saving winglets across its entire fleet of 737s, which it said would lower its fuel consumption by 2 percent.

The 225 winglet sets are worth about USD$11 million, and O'Leary said the airline expected to recoup the investment quickly.

(Reuters)

Bond James Bond

February 25th, 2005, 03:31 AM

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_09/b3922057_mz011.htm

FEBRUARY 28, 2005
NEWS: ANALYSIS & COMMENTARY
Boeing Catches A Tailwind
Since New Year's, the jetmaker has racked up orders for 138 new planes

For some time, Boeing Co. (BA ) has been playing second fiddle to Airbus. The European jetmaker has outsold and outmarketed the U.S. aircraft company. Boeing botched two vital sales campaigns that it was expected to win last year -- in Germany and Malaysia. And on Jan. 18, European leaders gushed over the rollout of the new Airbus crown jewel -- the 555-seat A380, which will supplant Boeing's 747 as the world's largest commercial jet.

But don't write Boeing's obituary just yet. Since Jan. 1 the Chicago company has racked up orders for 138 new planes, compared with just 38 for its European rival. That includes 65 orders for its ballyhooed new 250-seat 787 Dreamliner. "When the dust settles, Boeing might be doing a lot better than people previously believed," says Michael Boyd, president of Boyd Aviation, an aviation consulting firm. "The momentum will shift to Boeing because it's about to ride on the wings of the 787."

Both Boeing and Airbus are benefiting from a recovery in the commercial-airplane market. Some of Boeing's sales actually had been notched last year, but the customers delayed unveiling the purchases until recently. And more announcements are on the way. That's why Boeing raised projected aircraft output on Feb. 2, forecasting deliveries will grow more than 17% in 2006, to 380 planes.

The two competitors have made different bets on the future. While Airbus trumpeted its big A380 jetliner to fly between congested hubs, Boeing is pegging its future on the market for smaller jets that fly long distances directly between two cities. Boeing figures the market for planes with 200 to 400 seats -- the 787, 777, A330, and A340 -- at 5,200 units over 20 years. Analysts peg the market for planes with just 100 to 200 seats -- the 737 and A320 -- at 14,000 over 20 years. Both companies agree that the majority of plane sales will be in these two categories. But they disagree on demand for the jumbos such as the 747 and A380, which have more than 400 seats. The A380 has notched 139 orders in four years. Airbus predicts a market of more than 1,200 jumbos, while Boeing forecasts sales of only 800 -- with only half in the A380's superjumbo class.

Whatever happens with the big jets, the 787 is already one of the fastest-selling commercial planes ever. As of Feb. 15, about 15 airlines have placed 191 orders for the airliner, which consumes 15% less fuel than the A330 and can fly nonstop to Beijing from New York. Airbus hasn't announced any formal customer interest in its new A350 -- an upgrade of the A330 intended to compete with the 787.

EASTERN PROMISE
Nowhere is Boeing's edge greater than in Asia. It has strong bonds in a region where relationships matter. And although its planes sport higher sticker prices, their range and lower costs to operate and maintain give them an advantage in this market. Boeing last year still controlled 53% of the Asian market for widebody planes -- those with 200 or more seats -- according to Airclaims Ltd., a consulting firm. "Boeing has a fortress in Asia, and it's called widebodies," says Morgan Stanley (MWD ) analyst Heidi Wood. Aware of its weakness, Airbus recently hired Glen S. Fukushima, a former U.S. trade negotiator with long experience dealing with Japan.

That threat comes on top of an executive shakeout and the airline meltdown after September 11. But Boeing has become much more disciplined. It killed three product lines and focused on the 737, 777, and 787. Now it is considering upgrading the 747 to compete with the A380. "It has been a quiet, confident, and steadfast transformation of the product line and the production system," says Alan R. Mulally, CEO of the Boeing Commercial Airplanes unit in Seattle. All that is producing results. Boeing commercial airplane profit margins will climb from 5.5% in 2005 to 6.5% in 2006. Revenue could grow to $28 billion, up from $24 billion in 2005.

Still, Airbus will probably outsell Boeing for the next six years because of its continued strength in the small-jet market. And it will sell more of its mega A380s. But with brisk sales of the 787s, the air war between Boeing and Airbus is again turning into a real dogfight.

Nephasto

February 25th, 2005, 11:37 PM

Icelandair Orders Two Boeing 787 Dreamliners.

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2005/q1/nr_050225g.html

Darconte

February 26th, 2005, 01:42 AM

Spain's Iberia says to buy up to 79 Airbus planes
Fri Feb 25, 2005 04:59 PM ET
MADRID, Feb 25 (Reuters) - Spanish airline Iberia (IBLA.MC: Quote, Profile, Research) said on Friday it had decided to buy up to 79 new Airbus (EAD.MC: Quote, Profile, Research) (BA.L: Quote, Profile, Research) planes, with a catalogue value of more than $4.50 billion, in the biggest order in its history.

Thirty of the orders are firm and the remaining 49 are options, it said in a statement.

Nephasto

February 26th, 2005, 05:09 AM

^ Iberia is ordering A318's! :banana: :D

From those 30 inicial orders, 15 are 318's, 9 are 320's and 6 are 321's.

triboro

February 27th, 2005, 03:21 AM

All I know is we own the air!

We ( Seattle). Airbus' success is short lived.

Nephasto

February 27th, 2005, 03:50 AM

^All I know is that you own stupidity.

triboro

February 27th, 2005, 04:08 AM

All I now is that we own Europe, we really do. And Portugal is barely Europe.
Thank Spain for keeping the Iberian peninsula somewhat respectable.

Nephasto

February 27th, 2005, 04:28 AM

^All I know is that you own stupidity.

indigo

February 27th, 2005, 04:42 AM

All I now is that we own Europe, we really do. And Portugal is barely Europe.
Thank Spain for keeping the Iberian peninsula somewhat respectable.

What a fucking idiot... :|

triboro

February 27th, 2005, 04:43 AM

How long did it take for you to come up with that one? Priceless!

triboro

February 27th, 2005, 04:46 AM

What a fucking idiot... :|

Did you run out of adjectives "indigo"? Seems you have a very limited vocabulary.

indigo

February 27th, 2005, 04:55 AM

Did you run out of adjectives "indigo"? Seems you have a very limited vocabulary.

You're clearly not worth the time or effort. :sleepy:

Nephasto

February 27th, 2005, 05:31 AM

^You're right.
Also, although short, your sentence discribes all triboro is. ;)

Petronius

February 27th, 2005, 07:10 AM

All I now is that we own Europe, we really do. And Portugal is barely Europe.
Thank Spain for keeping the Iberian peninsula somewhat respectable.

you'd still be eating on trees if it wasn't for Portugal unveiling the WOrld, so show a bit more respect you idiotic nouveau-riche immigrant!

triboro

February 27th, 2005, 07:36 AM

You're clearly not worth the time or effort. :sleepy:

You've clearly run out of words. Thats fine.
You're all a bunch of tools. I get attacked first and respond and I'm the bad guy? Oy Vey......

European, ah I mean, Portugese low self esteem at work here. Get over it the Greeks were a better team! Defense wins games!

triboro

February 27th, 2005, 07:43 AM

you'd still be eating on trees if it wasn't for Portugal unveiling the WOrld, so show a bit more respect you idiotic nouveau-riche immigrant!

Proud to be a descendant of blue collar immigrants! Creative hard working people.
You? You fucks sit on your complacent Iberian asses and never do anything except sleep during the day. You look at us for inspiration and I really can't blame you cause you're bored out of your minds! Me, nouveau riche?
What a joke! I own a construction business dude! Hardly new rich.
Now go ask mommy for allowance you spoiled bastards.....

Petronius

February 27th, 2005, 07:53 AM

...

Petronius

February 27th, 2005, 07:57 AM

Proud to be a descendant of blue collar immigrants! Creative hard working people.

hmm, I guess it was obvious. You lack any sense of elegance and/or style which only once part of the A-team you eventually have!

You? You fucks sit on your complacent Iberian asses and never do anything except sleep during the day.

from this sentence we can easily infer that you know very little of POrtugal, but don't worry, we won't hold it against you, if only you were someone of good taste and class (which you obviously aren't)

You look at us for inspiration and I really can't blame you cause you're bored out of your minds!

I inspire and expire. It's called breathing , most of us have to do it in order to survive.

Me, nouveau riche?

uhu

zulu69

February 27th, 2005, 08:06 AM

All I now is that we own Europe, we really do. And Portugal is barely Europe.
Thank Spain for keeping the Iberian peninsula somewhat respectable.

Amazing i thought ppl this stupid were extinct 1 mil years ago...

ROM999

February 27th, 2005, 09:20 AM

@triboro
Your ignarance and stupidity is an embarassment for the country that you belong, cause most people are not like that in your country. Your arrogance shows your lack of self steem.

TeKnO_Lx

February 27th, 2005, 12:18 PM

with posts like that dont impresses me why most european have a bad view about de U.S. Get a life and get some culture too..í´ve meet great americans and u´re a disgraçe to your country!!

Fern

February 27th, 2005, 02:45 PM

Proud to be a descendant of blue collar immigrants! Creative hard working people.
You? You fucks sit on your complacent Iberian asses and never do anything except sleep during the day. You look at us for inspiration and I really can't blame you cause you're bored out of your minds! Me, nouveau riche?
What a joke! I own a construction business dude! Hardly new rich.
Now go ask mommy for allowance you spoiled bastards.....
You're quite a funny chap, but do u know what they say... He who laughs last laughs best.... Bye Bye

Reflex

February 27th, 2005, 03:02 PM

All I now is that we own Europe, we really do. And Portugal is barely Europe.
Thank Spain for keeping the Iberian peninsula somewhat respectable.
You're just another one who's coming here just to prove us that human stupidity has no limits...:bash:
But well, if you're happy acting like this...:|

triboro

February 27th, 2005, 08:09 PM

I'm just teasing ya'll, thats all.

I do enjoy fish and potatoes tho, the staple of Portuguese cuisine. Too, I have a nostalgic interest in Benfica.

Now, I must leave to load up my nail gun and load up my 05 Ford F-250 truck with

my masculine tools and off to "work". Yes I work on Sundays because I am my own boss! I do as I please. I also take pleasure in torturing the neighbors with my racket as their stupid barking dogs torment me all week! Revenge is good, it works on a myriad of manifestations one of which is a dramatic reduction in blood pressure.

If you're lucky today may be the day I fall off the roof. :bleh:

STR

February 27th, 2005, 09:32 PM

Could a moderator pleases come in and delete all this senseless crap.

Fern

February 27th, 2005, 09:43 PM

I'm just teasing ya'll, thats all.
I do enjoy fish and potatoes tho, the staple of Portuguese cuisine. Too, I have a nostalgic interest in Benfica.
Rubbish!!! Anyway ur too late cos I've already asked Ranier Meadows to at least put you in the brig n I think he'll attend to my request!!

triboro

February 27th, 2005, 10:35 PM

No, really! I love Portugal! I was devastated when they lost to Greece! Portugal ah Portugal! Gateway to Brazil! Home to TAP and tapas. Well sort of. Producers of cork! the cradle of Football, Fátima, and Fado. And of course Senger and super Bock which inevitably culminates in fatal collisions.

http://www.portcult.com/DRIVIN12.jpg

Politeness almost as obsessive as the Japanese. Ah Portugal my love! For example; “obrigadinho” instead of just “obrigado” for thank you....
Thats why my Americanese rubbed you the wrong way.

You're not a nation of book readers and like me you enjoy idle chat and friendship. Too, Globo, TV1 and RTP1 are better than a book.

http://www.portcult.com/Portug29.jpg

You laugh at jokes about the Alentejanos but get angry to know that the same jokes are told in Brazil about the Portuguese.

I plead for my cyberlife not be squashed by the admin as I truly love Portugal!
:cucumber:

Nephasto

February 27th, 2005, 11:02 PM

This guy is completely nuts... :weird:

TeKnO_Lx

February 27th, 2005, 11:25 PM

lolol u gaju não bate bem pha.. parece ter alta ódio em relação a Portugal.. porque será?

TeKnO_Lx

February 27th, 2005, 11:33 PM

[/QUOTE=triboro] Home to TAP and tapas. Well sort of. Producers of cork! the cradle of Football, Fátima, and Fado. And of course Senger and super Bock which inevitably culminates [QUOTE]

ur culture is impressive!! lolololo tapas? WRONG! Senger? wharever drunkie!!!
[/QUOTE=triboro]riendship. Too, Globo, TV1 and RTP1 are better than a book.
[QUOTE]

Globo WRONG again!!
Congratulations u won de smartest forumer award of de year!!! :rofl:
Bring them coming smart ass thats de way i like it!!

Isan

February 28th, 2005, 01:21 AM

Hey, This thread is discussion about the order btw 2 gaint enterprise

Would any not of related article, refrain in posting is appreciated and thanks for all co-operation :)

Fern

February 28th, 2005, 01:42 AM

Never mind he's been banned! Thanks Ranier!!

indigo

February 28th, 2005, 01:46 AM

Wow! You guys are ruthless! :D

TeKnO_Lx

February 28th, 2005, 01:46 AM

oléeééeéé!! cya around!!

Fern

February 28th, 2005, 01:55 AM

Wow! You guys are ruthless! :D
He's not the first and won't be the last I've got banned!!!

Seaddled

February 28th, 2005, 03:01 AM

What an idiot that guy was!

Nephasto

February 28th, 2005, 03:53 AM

^I'm almost sure "that guy" is you, taking into account that nick only has 2 posts.

triboro = Seaddled <-- I'm not 100% sure, but i would put money on it. ;)

Seaddled

February 28th, 2005, 04:35 AM

I don't know "that" guy or you! :)
I stumbled upon this site when I googled "NYJets stadium".

Any posts/pics on the proposed stadium?

Petronius

February 28th, 2005, 11:57 AM

In the end I don't think he deserved to be banned

TeKnO_Lx

February 28th, 2005, 12:00 PM

k cromo!!

Petronius

February 28th, 2005, 12:05 PM

sim mas ser cromo não devia dar direito a expulsão directa. No fundo ele até me parece bom rapaz. Fiquei com pena :(

Nephasto

February 28th, 2005, 06:47 PM

Eu não fiquei com pena nenhuma.
Mas agora por favor vamos tentar que este thread volte À normalidade. ;)

Well... let's get back to the subject of the thread! :okay:

Nephasto

February 28th, 2005, 06:50 PM

List of orders and comitments in 2005:

Airbus

A300
UPS: -37

A320's
Kingfisher Airlines: 3
Shenzhen Airlines: 1
Iberia: 30

A330
Northwest Airlines: 8
Air China: 20

A350
Air Europa: 10

A380
China Southern: 5
UPS: 10

Single Aisles = 34
Wide bodies = 16

TOTAL = 50

Boeing

737
Air Europa: 3
JAL: 30
Buraq Air: 3
Icelandair: 10
SpiceJet: 10
GOL: 5
Ryanair: 70
Xiamen Airlines: 15

767
ANA: -2

777
ANA: 4
Air France: 4

787
Air China: 15
China Eastern: 15
China Southern: 13
Hainan Airlines: 8
Shanghai Airlines: 6
Xiamen Airlines: 3
Continenta: 10
JAL: 30
Vietnam Airlines: 4
Ethiopian: 5
Icelandair: 2

Single Aisles = 146
Wide bodies = 117

TOTAL = 263

Aircraft orders in 2005 (updated monthly) (Summary to 28th of February 2005) (The official numbers, which only shows firm orders signed this year and that is what will count for the year end results)(taken from airbus and boeing websites):
Airbus:43
Boeing:35

Fern

February 28th, 2005, 06:54 PM

sim mas ser cromo não devia dar direito a expulsão directa. No fundo ele até me parece bom rapaz. Fiquei com pena :(
Deixa-te de ser uma menininha, e quem teve de ir pedir para ele ser expulso ao Ranier Meadows fui eu se nao ele ainda andava para ai a fazer porcaria!! Nao teve mais do que mereceu alem de que aquilo que ele disse depois para se desculpar foi tudo treta que ele encotrou na net, a pressao!!!

Nephasto

March 6th, 2005, 01:14 AM

Up!

Lee

March 7th, 2005, 06:26 PM

Another 737 order:
Quoting Blsbls99 (reply 3):
What kind of aircraft is it for?

Here you go.....737-800

By Douglas Wong
March 7 (Bloomberg) -- Xiamen Airlines will buy 15 737-800
planes from Boeing Co. for $615 million, the Asian Wall Street
Journal reported, citing company President Wu Rongnan.
Xiamen, 60 percent owned by China Southern Airlines Co., the
country's largest carrier by fleet size, expects to take delivery
of the planes in 2006 and 2007, Wu said in the report today.
Boeing spokesman Mark Hooper couldn't confirm the sale but
said that the $41 million price tag for each plane, a discount of
37 percent, wasn't unusual, the newspaper said.
Xiamen has approval from China's Civil Aviation
Administration for the purchase, the newspaper said, citing Wu.

Nephasto, you can book it on you list :)

Nephasto

March 7th, 2005, 09:19 PM

^ Added!

mic of Orion

March 7th, 2005, 09:39 PM

1 What have you been drinking?

2 Could you send some my way?

The A380 has done somewhat poorly so far. First flight is weeks away, and it hasn't even recieved 200 orders. Even the UPS order isn't worth bragging about,as the orders for the 10 A380 were in exchange for over 20 A300.

The aircraft is not even in production, to make even Airbus needs to sell only 250 Aircrafts.

What other wide-body Boing aircraft sold 150 aircrafts befre it went to production? get a grip Boing is on its way out, owerpriced, owerhiped and ower, now it is time to move on and start selling baloons, lol :) :) :) :)

Isan

March 9th, 2005, 05:20 AM

Air France orders four more Boeing 777-300ERs

ASSOCIATED PRESS

1:46 p.m. March 8, 2005

PARIS – Air France has ordered four 777-300ER passenger jets from Boeing Co., the Chicago-based aircraft maker said Tuesday.

In a statement, Boeing said Air France – now part of Air France-KLM SA, the world's largest airline – had exercised four options on an earlier contract, in a deal worth $920 million at catalogue prices.

Nephasto

March 9th, 2005, 06:29 PM

^ That's old news. It's just that the order was signed now, and boeing is publicising it.
You can see it's already on the orders chart.

Nephasto

March 18th, 2005, 05:36 PM

China Eastern orders 5 A319s Mar 18
China Eastern has placed an order for 5 Airbus A319s. The aircraft are due to be delivered between February 2006 and July 2007.

Source: www.justplanes.com

Nephasto

March 18th, 2005, 05:39 PM

List of orders and comitments in 2005:

Airbus

A300
UPS: -37

A320's
Kingfisher Airlines: 3
Shenzhen Airlines: 1
Iberia: 30
China Eastern: 5

A330
Northwest Airlines: 8
Air China: 20

A350
Air Europa: 10

A380
China Southern: 5
UPS: 10

Single Aisles = 39
Wide bodies = 16

TOTAL = 55

Boeing

737
Air Europa: 3
JAL: 30
Buraq Air: 3
Icelandair: 10
SpiceJet: 10
GOL: 5
Ryanair: 70
Xiamen Airlines: 15

767
ANA: -2

777
ANA: 4
Air France: 4

787
Air China: 15
China Eastern: 15
China Southern: 13
Hainan Airlines: 8
Shanghai Airlines: 6
Xiamen Airlines: 3
Continenta: 10
JAL: 30
Vietnam Airlines: 4
Ethiopian: 5
Icelandair: 2

Single Aisles = 146
Wide bodies = 117

TOTAL = 263

Aircraft orders in 2005 (updated monthly) (Summary to 28th of February 2005) (The official numbers, which only shows firm orders signed this year and that is what will count for the year end results)(taken from airbus and boeing websites):
Airbus:43
Boeing:35

Nephasto

March 18th, 2005, 05:40 PM

You can also chech this list from airliners.net:
http://www.justplanes.com/acorders.html

It doesn't include orders from late December 2004, like mine does.

Boeing Jimbo

March 18th, 2005, 05:55 PM

ohh, that's badnews :badnews:

But, Boeing had more orders........ :)

Bond James Bond

March 19th, 2005, 01:35 AM

Hey, does anyone know what the largest single airplane order ever placed to Boeing or Airbus was? :?

Nephasto

March 19th, 2005, 04:44 AM

^Don't know....
Ryanair and easyjet placed big orders for both sides:
Ryanair ordered 150 737's at once, i think(not completely sure if it was in one single order).
Ryanair ordered 120 319's at once, i think(not completely sure if it was in one single order).

Anyway, this were just some big orders that i remember of, i'm not saying they were the biggest!

Isan

March 19th, 2005, 05:59 AM

Just noted single order reached for 787 is ANA, total 50

And Ryanair is the larger order recently in single sheet :)

Isan

March 22nd, 2005, 06:04 PM

Singapore Air to Buy 40 Boeing 737 Planes

SINGAPORE (Reuters) - The leasing arm of Singapore Airlines Ltd., the world's second-most valuable airline, said on Tuesday it would buy up to 40 Boeing Co. 737-800 planes -- a deal worth about $2.6 billion at current list prices.

Singapore Aircraft Leasing Enterprise (SALE) said the deal comprises 20 firm orders and 20 purchase rights, with deliveries scheduled between the fourth quarter of 2006 and the end of 2009.

It did not give the value of the order. Forty new 737-800 planes would be worth $2.6 billion at current list prices.

"SALE has specified the 737-800 as the baseline aircraft for its order. Under the terms of its agreement with Boeing, SALE has the flexibility to convert orders and purchase rights to the smaller 737-700 or proposed higher capacity 737-900X," it said.

The unit of Singapore's state-controlled flag carrier said the fleet will be powered by engines from CFM International -- a joint venture between General Electric Co. and France's Snecma

The purchase represents SALE's first direct order with Boeing for the "Next-Generation" 737 product line, although the company has previously acquired eight aircraft from airlines on a purchase and leaseback basis, it said.

SALE already has outstanding firm orders with Airbus for 11 A320s, due for delivery between now and the end of the second quarter of 2006.

Robert Martin, SALE Managing Director and Chief Executive Officer, said the order reflected the strong recovery in demand for leased aircraft and would further diversify the firm's portfolio.

"The addition of the aircraft to our portfolio will therefore enable SALE to reach a wider range of airline customers and significantly develop our global business," he said.

SALE's current portfolio comprises 61 aircraft flying with 30 airlines worldwide with an average fleet age of 4.6 years.

Singapore Air will next year be the first to fly the new Airbus A380, the world's biggest airliner.

Isan

March 22nd, 2005, 06:09 PM

China Southern Air to lease 25 planes

SHANGHAI, March 22 (Reuters) - China Southern Airlines Co. Ltd. will lease 25 airplanes for 10 to 12 years, the company said in a statement published in the Shanghai Securities News on Tuesday.

China Southern, which operates China's largest fleet, will lease five Boeing 737-700 planes, five Boeing 737-800 planes, five Airbus A320-200 planes and ten Airbus A321-200 planes.

The planes will be leased from International Lease Finance Corp., the statement said.

Bond James Bond

March 24th, 2005, 10:25 PM

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/217307_dgst24.html

Brazilian airline takes more 737-800s

GOL Linhas Aereas Inteligentes is exercising options to buy four more Boeing 737-800 passenger jets worth up to $278 million at list prices, the low-cost Brazilian carrier and the aircraft manufacturer announced yesterday. Under the contract with Boeing Commercial Airplanes, the carrier increased its number of firm orders to a total of 30 737-800s.

Isan

March 25th, 2005, 05:11 AM

Air France to order seven Boeing cargo planes for 1.5 bln dollars: report

Thu Mar 24, 4:38 PM ET

PARIS (AFP) - Air France is about to place a 1.5-billion-dollar (1.16 billion euros) order for seven Boeing 777 freight planes to replace part of its fleet.

The planes will go into service in 2008 to replace part of the Boeing 747 cargo fleet, the French economic daily La Tribune said, without providing sources for its report.

An Air France spokesman contacted by AFP would not confirm the report, but noted that "the director of Air France cargo, Marc Boudier, showed his interest for this plane in a recent meeting with the press."

Air France last month exercised an option to buy four Boeing long-haul 777-300 passenger planes, with a combined catalogue price of 872-982 million dollars (673-758 million euros).

Air France-KLM is the world's biggest airline after a merger last year of the French and Dutch flag carriers.

Isan

March 25th, 2005, 05:17 AM

Boeing, Airbus both win in 10-aircraft order

The Boeing Co. and Airbus both received new business from Biman Bangladesh Airlines.

The Asian airline, which is owned by the government of Bangladesh, will be buying 10 new aircraft, worth about $1 billion, to update its 14 aging aircraft, according to an online report from Reuters.

The order, airline officials say, would include four Boeing 777s and six Airbus A330s. Parts of the 777 are built at Boeing Wichita (NYSE: BA).

The airline, has service on 26 international routes, including locations in North America, Europe and Asia. Its planes include six DC-10s, which most airlines have phased out of use because of their fuel use and age.

Isan

March 25th, 2005, 05:27 PM

AirAsia orders 20 Additional Airbus
25 March 2005

AirAsia has signed a purchase contract for 60 Airbus A320s plus a further 40 options. This is an increase of an additional 20 aircraft on top of the original purchase agreement for 40 A320s order plus 40 options under the Memorandum of Understanding signed on 17th December 2004.

In making this order and option commitment for the A320, AirAsia has become the single largest customer for the aircraft in the Asia Pacific region.

AirAsia said it decided to up the Airbus order following the rollout and the success of its Indonesian operations, PT AWAIR International (AWAIR) in December 8th, 2004. Within 3 months of its operations, AWAIR has carried over 120 000 guests and introduced flights to 5 domestic destinations in Indonesia; Surabaya, Medan, Balikpapan, Bali and Padang from AWAIR’s hub in Soekarno-Hatta Airport, Jakarta.

Deliveries of the first A320s will commence in late 2005 and continue through until 2011. The A320s will completely replace the single aisle, 148 seat configuration Boeing 737-300s currently operated by the AirAsia Group (comprising AirAsia in Malaysia, Thai AirAsia in Thailand and AWAIR in Indonesia). AirAsia will operate a mixed fleet during this transition period.

Tony Fernandes, Group Chief Executive Officer, AirAsia Berhad said, “Our need for more aircraft is a direct response to the robust growth and exciting developments experienced by AirAsia including our sister companies, Thai AirAsia and AWAIR. These exciting developments include our debut in China, where Thai AirAsia will be the first low cost carrier to gain entry to the People’s Republic of China when direct services between Bangkok and Xiamen commence on 25th April 2005. We will also be starting simultaneous services to Clark, in the Philippines from KL International Airport and Kota Kinabalu International Airport in Sabah. There is more room for growth, and we will need these additional aircraft as part of our expansion program.

We believe that we have applied the right strategy in delaying the deployment of leased Boeing 737 as we do not want to sacrifice our cost structure in order to address short term market aversions.”

The A320’s 180 seating capacity will be outfitted with the airline’s signature red carpet and plush leather seats.

Nephasto

March 27th, 2005, 03:44 AM

List of orders and comitments in 2005:

Airbus

A300
UPS: -37

A320's
Kingfisher Airlines: 3
Shenzhen Airlines: 1
Iberia: 30
China Eastern: 5
AirAsia: 60
GB Airways: 5

A330
Northwest Airlines: 8
Air China: 20
Biman: 6

A350
Air Europa: 10

A380
China Southern: 5
UPS: 10

Single Aisles = 104
Wide bodies = 22

TOTAL = 126

Boeing

737
Air Europa: 3
JAL: 30
Buraq Air: 3
Icelandair: 10
SpiceJet: 10
GOL: 9
Ryanair: 70
Xiamen Airlines: 15
SALE: 20

767
ANA: -2

777
ANA: 4
Air France: 4
Biman: 4

787
Air China: 15
China Eastern: 15
China Southern: 13
Hainan Airlines: 8
Shanghai Airlines: 6
Xiamen Airlines: 3
Continenta: 10
JAL: 30
Vietnam Airlines: 4
Ethiopian: 5
Icelandair: 2

Single Aisles = 170
Wide bodies = 121

TOTAL = 291

Aircraft orders in 2005 (updated monthly) (Summary to 28th of February 2005) (The official numbers, which only shows firm orders signed this year and that is what will count for the year end results)(taken from airbus and boeing websites):
Airbus:43
Boeing:35

Nephasto

March 29th, 2005, 11:42 PM

GB AIRWAYS EXPANDS AIRBUS FLEET WITH A320 FAMILY ORDER
MARCH 29, 2005

GB Airways has signed a contract with Airbus for five Airbus single-aisle Family aircraft: one A320 and four A321s. This is the first time that the airline is acquiring aircraft directly from Airbus. Delivery of these five aircraft is expected from 2007 onwards. The aircraft will be powered by IAE V2500 engines from International Aero Engines.

The airline is an all-Airbus operator, with eleven A320s and three A321s in its fleet today. Three further A321s are expected to join the fleet by Spring 2007. GB Airways, a British Airways franchise partner, received its first A320 in May 2000.

The airline operates flights from its main base in London-Gatwick, and also from London-Heathrow. Last week, the airline started operating from its new base in Manchester. This summer, GB Airways will operate British Airways flights to 30 selected destinations in Gibraltar, Croatia, Cyprus, France, Greece, Malta, Morocco, Portugal, Spain including the Balearic and Canary islands, and Tunisia. (...)

Source: www.airbus.com

mic of Orion

March 30th, 2005, 03:10 AM

ok, to make thinks easier, Airbus has 356 deliveries this year Boeing would be lucky to get 312, and this is a fact, Boeing is predicting 2006 will be better and first year Boeing could approach Airbus in new aircraft deliveries after the 9/11.
Even if all is well, Boeing is predicting only 2009 to match or even outpace Airbus in orders and delivers of new Aircrafts.

Can we close this thread till 2009, thanx, lol....

Lee

March 30th, 2005, 11:01 PM

^I thought Boeing said that in 2008 it would out-deliver Airbus

Lee

March 30th, 2005, 11:02 PM

*Nephasto, the Air Asia order is for 20 additional. The other 40 were already ordered.

Also, did you add the 4 additional 737's ordered by Gol?

Lee

March 30th, 2005, 11:08 PM

The aircraft is not even in production, to make even Airbus needs to sell only 250 Aircrafts.

Since Airbus heavily discounted the A380 for launch customers, the break even point is now more around 350.

what other wide-body Boing aircraft sold 150 aircrafts befre it went to production?

For starters, the 787 and 777 come to mind.

Nephasto

March 30th, 2005, 11:10 PM

Lee, AirAsia has just signed an order for 60 320's, and they had previously signed a MOU for 40 of them in the 17th of december 2004.
So, it's correct that it's only 20 more, but as i'm counting in this list orders from late december 2004, i'm going to include all of the order.

I did the same for other similar cases (late december 2004 order) both for boeing and airbus side. ;)

Lee

March 30th, 2005, 11:14 PM

Ok, I see!

Isan

April 6th, 2005, 04:27 AM

Boeing expects to beat Airbus on 2005 orders
Ken Vandruff

A Boeing Co. executive predicts the commercial airplane builder will win the battle for orders with arch-rival Airbus this year.

Airbus has delivered more airplanes than Boeing (NYSE: BA) since 2003 and has taken more orders since 2001.

"We will reverse market share on orders very quickly," said Scott Carson, Boeing's new head of commercial aircraft sales, during a news conference Monday.

Carson assumed his current position in December, replacing Toby Bright who stepped down after failing to reverse Boeing's sales slump.

Boeing won 272 orders in 2004 and missed its target of booking 200 orders for the 787 Dreamliner. Airbus signed 366 orders last year.

As of March 29, Boeing's Web site shows the company has 44 firm orders so far in 2005.

Carson made his prediction the day before Boeing released its first quarter 2005 delivery totals.

The company delivered 70 commercial airplanes during the first three months of the year compared with 76 for the same period last year.

The 737 Next-Generation jet continues to be the company's top seller. Boeing delivered 54 of the jets during the first quarter. The next closest was eight deliveries for the 777.

Boeing Wichita's commercial airplane facilities build 75 percent of the 737 airframe and assemblies for all of the company's commercial airplanes with the exception of the 717.

That work is scheduled to continue after Boeing closes its deal for Onex Corp. (TSX:OCX.SV) to buy the commercial facilities in Wichita and Oklahoma. The deal is expected to close sometime during the second quarter.

© 2005 American City Business Journals Inc.

Nephasto

April 10th, 2005, 12:33 AM

List of orders and comitments in 2005:

Airbus

A300
UPS: -37

A320's
Kingfisher Airlines: 3
Shenzhen Airlines: 1
Iberia: 30
China Eastern: 5
AirAsia: 60
GB Airways: 5

A330
Northwest Airlines: 8
Air China: 20
Biman: 6

A350
Air Europa: 10

A380
China Southern: 5
UPS: 10

Single Aisles = 104
Wide bodies = 22

TOTAL = 126

Boeing

737
Air Europa: 3
JAL: 30
Buraq Air: 3
Icelandair: 10
SpiceJet: 10
GOL: 9
Ryanair: 70
Xiamen Airlines: 15
SALE: 20
Westjet:3

767
ANA: -2

777
ANA: 4
Air France: 4
Biman: 4

787
Air China: 15
China Eastern: 15
China Southern: 13
Hainan Airlines: 8
Shanghai Airlines: 6
Xiamen Airlines: 3
Continenta: 10
JAL: 30
Vietnam Airlines: 4
Ethiopian: 5
Icelandair: 2
Korean Air: 10

Single Aisles = 173
Wide bodies = 131

TOTAL = 304

Aircraft orders in 2005 (updated monthly) (Summary to 31th of March 2005) (The official numbers, which only shows firm orders signed this year and that is what will count for the year end results)(taken from airbus and boeing websites):
Airbus:123
Boeing:45

Bond James Bond

April 11th, 2005, 09:00 AM

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/219623_boeing11.html

Monday, April 11, 2005
Korean Air signs deal for up to 20 787s
Boeing says the order entails 10 firm orders and 10 options

SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER NEWS SERVICES

Korean Air Lines Co., South Korea's largest carrier, said today that it has signed a deal with The Boeing Co. for up to 20 new-generation 787 Dreamliners to meet demand for mid- to long-range air travel.

The deal, which would be worth about $2.6 billion at list prices, involves 10 firm orders and options for 10 more jets, Boeing said in a statement.

The aircraft will be delivered over two years starting in 2009. Korean Air said the jets are part of a $10 billion investment program to renew its fleet. It gave no further details.

Korean Air is preparing for competition with two low-fare carriers that are beginning services in the country, as well as a high-speed railway service that is taking passengers away from domestic flights. The Korean currency gained 15 percent in 2004 against the U.S. dollar and has risen 2.1 percent this year, making it cheaper for Korean Air to import new aircraft.

Boeing said it has secured 203 orders and commitments from 17 customers for the 787, which is seen as a key part of its product lineup as it struggles with Europe's Airbus for dominance of the global commercial aircraft market.

Korean Air is the world's third-largest air cargo carrier and the 15th-largest in passenger numbers.

"This airplane deal signifies our commitment to our vision of becoming one of the world's top 10 airlines by 2010," Korean Air Chairman Cho Yang-Ho said in a statement.

In addition to acquiring new aircraft, Korean Air plans to upgrade the in-flight entertainment and communications on its planes and other undisclosed facilities.

Boeing has emphasized the flexibility and fuel efficiency of the 787, which seats 217 to 289 passengers and has a range of up to 8,500 nautical miles.

Boeing says the jet will be 20 percent more fuel-efficient than comparable planes on the market. That's a key issue for airlines with world oil prices hovering above $50 a barrel.

Production of the first 787 at Boeing's Everett plant is set to begin in 2007 and, after a test fight program, be ready for delivery to airlines in the first half of 2008. All Nippon Airways will get the first 787.

The 787 eventually will be competing with Airbus' A350, which is set to go into service by 2010.

Boeing has not held the top spot in aircraft orders since 2000, but Scott Carson, its new jetliner sales chief, predicted last week it would eclipse Airbus in orders this year.

Some industry analysts believe that Boeing is slashing aircraft prices to be more competitive with Airbus.

Carson said the company was taking other steps to win orders, including refocusing on customers that hadn't received much attention, such as those in the Middle East, and making its sales force and deal-making more nimble to counteract Airbus.

Lee

April 11th, 2005, 01:49 PM

FI 04/12/05:

"787 defeats A350 at Northwest

New twinjet selected over rival Airbus proposal in crucial fleet contest, shoring up Boeing's US Customer base

Northwest Airlines is poised to announce its selection of the Boeing 787 over the competing Airbus A350 in a crucially strategic fleet re-equipment battle that could have knock-on effects for both manufacturers, say sources familiar with carriers evaluation."

"...Airbus had been optimistic of a breakthrough at Northwest with the A350 since last year when the airline firmed up options for additional A330-200/300s. The carrier has 15 A330-200/300s in service, and a similar number of new Airbus twinjets due for delivery between now and 2007. Airbus hoped the high degree of cockpit and systems would provide a better incentive to Northwest..."

"...The Northwest decision could have implications for at least two other impending decisions where the A350 and 787 are against each other, at Singapore Airlines and Qatar Airways..."

The FI article doesn't indicate what those "implications" might be.

Lee

April 11th, 2005, 01:52 PM

Nephasto,

according to this, you list is somehow wrong:

http://www.justplanes.com/acorders.html

Nephasto

April 12th, 2005, 01:49 AM

I know that list.... it's just different accounting methods...

Isan

April 13th, 2005, 03:26 AM

Boeing wins Northwest order
Tuesday 12th April, 2005 (UPI)

Boeing Co. appears to have edged out Airbus to supply 18 of its 787 Dreamliner planes to Minneapolis-based Northwest Airlines.

The Wall Street Journal, quoting sources, said Northwest picked Boeing over its longtime supplier Airbus for the $2.1 billion order.

If concluded, it would be another victory for Chicago-based Boeing to turn the tide against Airbus, the report said.

Losing out at Northwest would be a big blow for Airbus, which was considered to have the inside track on a new order for twin-aisle airplanes because Northwest is already Airbus's third-largest customer worldwide.

The 787 is a twin-engine 250-seater that Boeing says is 20 percent cheaper to operate than other jetliners its size. It would be the first commercial jetliner to be built largely of carbon-fiber composites, which are lighter and more resilient than aluminum, the Journal said.

Northwest also has picked General Electric to supply its engines over those made by Rolls-Royce PLC.

Bond James Bond

April 13th, 2005, 06:28 AM

NY Times
April 13, 2005
A Dogfight Between Jetliners
By MARK LANDLER

FRANKFURT, April 12 - A funny thing happened while the United States was crying foul over Europe's subsidies to its aircraft maker Airbus: Boeing, the embattled American manufacturer in need of Washington's helping hand, suddenly started booking orders for planes.

A spate of orders for Boeing's new 787 has allowed the company to catch a second wind in this fiercely competitive marketplace. What seemed last year like a lopsided competition - with Airbus rolling up more orders and rolling out more new planes than Boeing - now seems like a genuine duel.

On Monday, Korean Air Lines announced an order for 10 787's, a midsize, fuel-efficient jet dubbed the Dreamliner. Northwest Airlines is near a deal to buy as many as 18, according to people close to the talks. After a slow start, Boeing says it has 203 orders and commitments for the plane.

Boeing has been buoyed by a mix of aggressive salesmanship and rising concerns about oil prices, as well as doubts about Airbus's plans for a rival plane, given the possible loss of its subsidies.

It is not clear that Boeing's success will change the course of the trans-Atlantic tussle, which is in a lull after a deadline to take the matter to the World Trade Organization expired on Monday.

Some analysts believe the 787's recent strides will make subsidies all the more imperative for Airbus as it develops the A350, a midsize rival to Boeing's plane. The loans for this project, which could total $1.3 billion, are the critical sticking point between the United States and Europe.

Trade officials on both sides say they are open to restarting settlement negotiations. But as the standoff drags on, the shift in the fortunes of Boeing and Airbus, even if transitory, adds an unpredictable new element to both the political and commercial showdown.

The longer that financing for the A350's remains unresolved, analysts say, the more pressure Airbus will face. The company, which is based in Toulouse, France, and is owned by Europe's military-contracting industry, insists it can develop the plane without so-called launch aid. But with Boeing busily signing customers for the 787, even a modest delay could hobble the project.

"At some point, Airbus may have to say, 'This isn't the right plane anymore. Maybe the solution is to design an entirely new one,' " said Howard A. Rubel, an analyst at Jeffries & Company.

The A350, with 245 to 285 seats, roughly comparable to the 787, would be derived from the existing A330, though equipped with new engines that would give it longer range. That would allow Airbus to put it into service by 2010, only two years after the 787. If this gap were to be longer, analysts said, the A350 might be deemed obsolete at birth.

Airbus disputes that, saying the plane has won broad acceptance from airlines and will outperform the 787 in several areas, including fuel efficiency on a per-seat basis. It has set a goal of booking 100 orders this year, and would like to formally introduce it by the Paris Air Show in June.

Still, John Leahy, the chief commercial officer of Airbus, acknowledged that the trade dispute was complicating his sales job. "There is a little bit of a cloud hanging over it in the market," he said.

Adding to the image problems, Airbus has pushed back the maiden flight of its flagship plane, the 555-seat A380. The company insists there are no major glitches, and that the plane will take to the skies sometime this month, but the delays are sowing uneasiness in the market.

Mr. Leahy said Boeing was offering carriers heavy inducements to buy the 787, in an attempt to discourage Airbus from pressing ahead with the A350. Korean Air Lines, he said, might have been swayed by the fact that parts of the 787, worth $1 million a plane, will be produced in Korea.

"The fact that they're winning a few deals doesn't surprise me," Mr. Leahy said. "They're in a state of hyperdrive."

As evidence of Airbus's confidence in the viability of the A350, he said the company's executive committee would meet on Wednesday to approve its final design specifications.

Mr. Leahy declined to comment on how the subsidies might affect the decision on whether to build it. He referred to an earlier statement by the chief executive of Airbus, Noel Forgeard, who said late last year that the company had enough money to develop the A350 without state loans.

For Boeing, which has watched Airbus seize its mantle as the world's No. 1 seller of passenger planes, the success of the 787 is critical. It is central to Boeing's strategic bet that the air travel market is fragmenting from hub-and-spoke airports into a profusion of direct flights between cities.

As a result, Boeing did not build a competitor to the A380. Instead, it developed the 787, a 200- to 300-seat jet with extra-large windows and higher humidity in the cabin to make long flights more comfortable. By using more composite materials in the fuselage, Boeing says the 787 will burn 20 percent less fuel than comparable planes.

Despite a flurry of publicity, the Dreamliner got off to a bumpy start. Some of the first customers were charter airlines with obscure names and uncertain prospects. Boeing fell well short of its stated goal of 200 orders in 2004 - a fact it now chalks up to clumsy public relations.

"We typically don't make order forecasts," said Randy Baseler, the vice president for marketing at Boeing's commercial aircraft unit. "We just had someone who got excited and said something. Then when we didn't make it at the end of the year, everyone said it was a failure."

In fact, he said, the 787's prospects brightened last December, when Airbus began discussing specifics of the plane with potential customers.

At that point, he said, the carriers began showing their preference for the 787.

"Since Dec. 10, we've chalked up 12 airlines and 121 orders." Mr. Baseler said. "The market is running away from Airbus very quickly."

Sales are running so strongly, Boeing says, that it believes it can regain the lead in total orders from Airbus this year. In the first quarter, Boeing still trailed Airbus by 123 confirmed orders to 44. Analysts are skeptical, though Mr. Rubel of Jeffries said that by his calculation, the 787 was off to the fastest start of any major new plane.

In addition to the trade dispute, Boeing is benefiting from higher oil prices.

"Boeing is coming in with an airplane that is designed specifically for low fuel consumption," said Jim Eckes, a consultant at Indoswiss Aviation in Hong Kong. "That is generating a lot of interest."

Then, too, Airbus may need to dispel some doubts about the A350. A senior executive at a major Asian airline, speaking on condition of anonymity, said he had concerns about its speed and range.

While the trade dispute may not help Airbus, Boeing's success may not help its case in Brussels.

"The more the 787 wins orders," said a person involved in the negotiations with the United States, who is familiar with the European Commission's arguments, "the harder it will be for the Americans to show that there's been an injury caused by launch aid to the A350."

FM 2258

April 13th, 2005, 06:33 AM

Isan

April 13th, 2005, 07:45 AM

FL Group increases Boeing Next-Generation 737 Order
12 April 2005

The FL Group (formerly Flugleidir Icelandair) has converted purchase rights from a January order into a new firm order for five additional Boeing Next-Generation 737-800 airplanes.

The five new airplanes are valued at $325 million at list prices. Boeing will deliver the five new airplanes in 2007, while deliveries from the January order will occur next year.

"These additional 737s, so soon after the original order, speak to the increasing status of The FL Group and demand for the 737," said Marlin Dailey, vice president, Sales for Europe and Central Asia, Boeing Commercial Airplanes. "This further cements a great relationship with a loyal, growing customer."

As with the previous order, The FL Group, Icelandair's parent company, will lease the airplanes to other carriers outside of Iceland. Icelandair ordered two Boeing 787 Dreamliners in February and is a member of the 787 customer launch team.

Nephasto

April 13th, 2005, 06:58 PM

List of orders and comitments in 2005:

Airbus

A300
UPS: -37

A320's
Kingfisher Airlines: 3
Shenzhen Airlines: 1
Iberia: 30
China Eastern: 5
AirAsia: 60
GB Airways: 5

A330
Northwest Airlines: 8
Air China: 20
Biman: 6

A350
Air Europa: 10

A380
China Southern: 5
UPS: 10

Single Aisles = 104
Wide bodies = 22

TOTAL = 126

Boeing

717
Pembroke: -14

737
Air Europa: 6
JAL: 30
Buraq Air: 3
Icelandair: 10
SpiceJet: 10
GOL: 9
Ryanair: 70
Xiamen Airlines: 15
SALE: 20
Westjet:3
FL Group: 5

767
ANA: -2

777
ANA: 4
Air France: 4
Biman: 4

787
Air China: 15
China Eastern: 15
China Southern: 13
Hainan Airlines: 8
Shanghai Airlines: 6
Xiamen Airlines: 3
Continenta: 10
JAL: 30
Vietnam Airlines: 4
Ethiopian: 5
Icelandair: 2
Korean Air: 10

Single Aisles = 167
Wide bodies = 131

TOTAL = 298

Aircraft orders in 2005 (updated monthly) (Summary to 31th of March 2005) (The official numbers, which only shows firm orders signed this year and that is what will count for the year end results)(taken from airbus and boeing websites):
Airbus:123
Boeing:45

Nephasto

April 13th, 2005, 07:04 PM

You gotta love the United States for making and selling such a beautiful plane.

Either for that, or for having some guys like you who make useless coments in huge size...

FM 2258

April 14th, 2005, 08:26 AM

Either for that, or for having some guys like you who make useless coments in huge size...

:lol: Useless comments? I'm just emphasizing how much I'm happy to see more sales of the Boeing 787.

Gotta love the 787. :)

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Nephasto

April 14th, 2005, 05:08 PM

I like the 787. I just don't like guys like you.

Cheese Mmmmmmmmmmmm

April 15th, 2005, 05:32 AM

YES!!!!! YES!!!! GOOOOOOO 787!!!!!!

You gotta love the United States for making and selling such a beautiful plane.

LOL... You act like there's a competition between the 787, which is being assembled right now, and the A350, which is nothing but an idea and a bad rendering. I'm surprised Air Europa's already committed to it... no one's going to look at the A350 seriously until it comes close to production.

And Nephasto, is there a reason in your lists of orders that Boeing seems to have a TON more "commitments" than Airbus, while all of Airbus' orders are firm? Is there just a difference in how each of these companies do business?

Rockefeller

April 15th, 2005, 09:27 AM

If it is not Boeing, it is not Going.

I hope Air Canada orders the 787 to replace the aging 67's in its fleet. Screw fleet commonality.

Rockefeller

April 15th, 2005, 09:38 AM

Either for that, or for having some guys like you who make useless coments in huge size...

He loves his country. Many Americans are not know for being humble. If you have the biggest house on the block, you don't have to let everyone know as they already do...and most likely, they don't really care.

FM 2258

April 15th, 2005, 09:55 AM

I like the 787. I just don't like guys like you.

Awww, come on. I'm just having a little fun on the forum. :lol:

And yes, I'm very excited to see a U.S. airline order the Boeing 787 so I can see it more often and have a much better chance to fly it. Also Northwest's colors are gonna look absolutely wonderful on the 787.

He loves his country. Many Americans are not know for being humble. If you have the biggest house on the block, you don't have to let everyone know as they already do...and most likely, they don't really care.

That's true. I'm NOT a humble American. Where's the fun of being humble when you live in such a great country?

Anyway, back to the planes. I honestly love the Airbus A380 about as much as I love the Boeing 787. Both of those planes make me Drool when I see them. SO let me say GOOO A380!!! and GOOO 787!!! It's a great time in Aviation history to see two awesome planes come to life. I also want to see more airlines order the A380 and have the public fly more. I wonder what Virgin Atlantic and Emirates have up their sleeves for the A380.

drwho

April 15th, 2005, 09:32 PM

Jet Airways planning 17-jet 737 order

http://wichita.bizjournals.com/wichita/stories/2005/04/11/daily25.html
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2002241977_bizbriefs15.html

Nephasto

April 15th, 2005, 10:03 PM

And Nephasto, is there a reason in your lists of orders that Boeing seems to have a TON more "commitments" than Airbus, while all of Airbus' orders are firm? Is there just a difference in how each of these companies do business?

It's a list of orders and commitments.
I don't really get your doubt... As far as i know, Airbus and Boeing do business the same way.
Anyway, those commitments will be signed as firm orders in a near future.

Anyway, back to the planes. I honestly love the Airbus A380 about as much as I love the Boeing 787. Both of those planes make me Drool when I see them. SO let me say GOOO A380!!! and GOOO 787!!! It's a great time in Aviation history to see two awesome planes come to life. I also want to see more airlines order the A380 and have the public fly more. I wonder what Virgin Atlantic and Emirates have up their sleeves for the A380.

I'm pleasantly surprised to "hear" you say this! :)

I wonder what Virgin Atlantic and Emirates have up their sleeves for the A380.

Singapore's 380's, with "just" 480 seats must be something too. ;)

Isan

April 20th, 2005, 05:04 AM

Fleet update SN30952 writes "Jet Air aka Jet Airways is India's largest domestic carrier.
Mumbai-based Jet Air intends to spend USD$400 million buying and leasing Boeing planes.

Jet Airways will spend these USD$400 million over the next 24-30 months on 17 Boeing 737-800 or -900 planes, as it purchases 10 and leases 7. Currently Jet has 42 planes.

Jet will start flights to Kuala Lumpur and London by May 23 and expects to fly to New York by early July.

Expectations are India 's air travel market will grow about 25-30% over the next 5 years. Jet has 43% of this market, that's more than state-owned Indian Airlines has, and is sharing that market also with Air Sahara and Air Deccan and soon with Kingfisher Airlines by the end of April and Royal Airways ' Spicejet in May."

Nephasto

April 20th, 2005, 05:56 PM

Air Europe orders more Boeing 737s Apr 20
Air Europa has announced an agreement for the purchase of 3 additional Boeing 737-800s. The aircraft are scheduled to be delivered in 2007. The airline currently operates 25 B737-800s.

Source: www.justplanes.com

Isan

April 21st, 2005, 10:29 AM

Chinese airlines buy 10 new Airbus planes; A380 deal completed

China Eastern Airlines and Shenzhen Airlines signed a deal with Airbus to buy a total of 10 A319/A320 planes while China Southern completed an agreement on its purchase of five A380 superjumbos.

The deals were signed in Beijing between the carriers and the European consortium's vice-president Philippe Delmas, who is in China accompanying French Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin.

"These are not letters of intent, these are firm contracts," Delmas said.

"In 2004, Airbus sold 47 planes to China; this market has been the destination of one sixth of the annual deliveries of Airbus."

Raffarin and his Chinese counterpart Wen Jiabao witnessed the signing which came immediately after their official talks on the first day of the French premier's three-day visit.

The French government has lobbied hard for Airbus sales in China and its increasingly close political ties with Beijing appear to have helped smooth the way for the deals.

The signing coincided with Raffarin calling for the lifting of a 16-year old European Union arms embargo on China while voicing support for China's "anti-seccession" law on Taiwan passed in March.

In the deals, China Eastern is buying five A319s and Shenzhen Airlines five planes including A319s and A320s in a new package worth some 500-600 million dollars, Airbus said.

During the signing ceremony, 20 other contracts, all previously announced, were finalised. In total, the deals for the 30 planes are valued at 3.2 billion dollars, said Delmas.

They included China Southern Airlines's purchase of five A380 superjumbos, worth around around 1.3-1.4 billion dollars.

The contract for these had already been signed in Paris in January and marked the first A380s to be sold to China, which is expected to be one of the world's most important aircraft markets in the decades to come.

"This is a very big market ... the air traffic in China is essentially in the interior; in the first four months of the year it grew by 40 percent over the same period last year, which is phenomenal," Delmas said.

The other 15 aircraft orders confirmed Thursday form part of an agreement signed during a visit to China by German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder last December.

In the next two decades, Airbus sees potential sales to China of some 1,600 aircraft, while arch rival Boeing, which currently has a 62 percent market share, predicts more than 2,000. In addition, the domestic Aviation Industries of China (AVIC) is looking at nearly 1,300.

The Asian giant is expected to sharply increase aircraft orders to cope with anticipated booming air traffic for the 2008 Olympic Games to be hosted in Beijing.

Airbus China President Laurence Barron said earlier this year that Airbus is working on another deal to lease two A380 superjumbos to China's flag carrier, Air China, to be used for the Games.

Airbus is 80-percent owned by aerospace conglomerate EADS and the rest by British defence contractor BAE Systems.

Isan

April 21st, 2005, 10:37 AM

Visit targets Airbus sales
By Cao Desheng (China Daily)
Updated: 2005-04-21 08:45

The European aircraft manufacturer Airbus is likely to win more orders from the nation's airlines thanks to the French Prime Minister's four-day official visit to China that begins today.

The company is expected to sign a contract for five A380 airliners with China Southern Airline during Jean-Pierre Raffarin's stay in China, which will focus on bilateral economic and cultural ties, a well-placed source said yesterday.

Raffarin, who will travel to the capital Beijing, financial hub Shanghai and northeastern city of Shenyang, is expected to meet his Chinese counterpart Wen Jiabao in Beijing today. A batch of co-operative agreements and contracts are expected to be signed during the meeting.

"Airbus is also expected to announce plans to tighten industrial co-operation with its Chinese partners in the wake of Raffarin's arrival," the source said.

The manufacturer is likely to announce the setting up of an engineering centre in China.

In late January, Airbus signed the general terms of an agreement for delivery of the five 555-seat A380s in Paris with the Guangzhou-based carrier.

On the same day, its United States rival Boeing announced China will order 60 B787 Dream Liner planes worth more than US$7 billion.

Insiders say Airbus and Boeing, the world's leading aircraft manufacturers, are competing fiercely for the vast aviation market just three years before the Beijing Olympics.

"As the economy develops, China will become one of the biggest commercial aircraft markets in the next few years. The Beijing Olympics will provide a golden opportunity for the A380's entry," Laurence Barron, president of Airbus China, told reporters.

He said China's aviation market was the fastest-growing in the world, and China's potential is second only to the United States.

Air China, the nation's biggest airline company, is also considering introducing A380s to its fleet by leasing them.

Air China is negotiating the lease of two of the double-decker jets with the International Lease Finance Corporation, Barron was quoted by Beijing Youth Daily as saying.

Airbus expects the talks between the two sides to bear fruit, so that at least two Chinese carriers will be using A380s by 2008, he said.

Isan

April 21st, 2005, 10:39 AM

Boeing Hot on Heels of Airbus
By Jason Neely
Reuters

LONDON -- Boeing is turning up the heat on European archrival Airbus as its new 787 model helps revamp an image that just a year ago was marked by ageing planes and receding market share.

The new fuel-efficient design has sparked a flood of orders from airlines being squeezed by high fuel prices and falling fares and put Boeing on track to win more orders than Airbus for the first time since 2000.

It has also put Airbus under pressure as its mooted A350, designed as a response, draws scant attention.

To help block such a response, Boeing has also persuaded the U.S. Trade Representative to fight to stop European governments from lending Airbus money to design planes.

"Boeing turned and fought. They weren't supposed to do that," said analyst Richard Aboulafia at Virginia-based consultancy Teal Group.

Airbus topped Boeing in deliveries in 2003 and 2004, sparking talk of regime change.

While the France-based company boldly developed the mammoth A380 -- due to fly for the first time this month -- Boeing seemed unwilling or unable to counter the onslaught.

The U.S. planemaker had not launched an all-new plane since 1990 and seemed unable to move new models, such as the rakish Sonic Cruiser, beyond the drawing board.

Airbus began to refer to Boeing's "paper airplanes" while some planes Boeing did produce were growing stale, with as many as four of its six models seen at risk of termination.

Yet with everything going Airbus's way, the market in the last 12 months has suddenly turned, with Boeing on the rebound powered by the 787.

Top Airbus salesman John Leahy in a recent U.S. newspaper interview called Airbus the underdog, though he remained undaunted regarding the A350.

"I will have 100 A350 orders by the end of the year. ... If I don't, I'll look pretty silly," he told the Chicago Tribune. "I think we can pull it off. The underdog always has an advantage."

Yet a recent deal for up to 20 planes from Korean Air took Boeing above 200 orders or commitments from 17 customers for the 787 in a contest some analysts expected Airbus to win.

It left Airbus's mooted A350 -- a long-range, updated version of its A330 -- with just one would-be customer since it was announced last December.

"Clearly before we continue to undertake launch, a certain number of customers and airlines are needed," said a spokesman for Airbus, but he declined to say how many.

Analysts say Airbus may have to rethink the design, which could push back its proposed 2010 launch.

"Boeing is really gaining momentum," said one London-based analyst. "The 787 is working and the A350 is not."

Boeing has made other changes as well, killing off its aging 717 and 757, re-examining the idea of a new, bigger 747 jumbo and preparing to deliver a version of the 777 early next year with the longest range of any airliner.

Boeing and Airbus, despite different overall market forecasts, agree that there is a lucrative niche for twin-engine planes of about 220 to 300 seats, where the 787 and A350 are aimed.

Analysts said what Airbus did with the A350 took on further significance because of the collapse of a 1992 trade pact last year under which Airbus could tap European state loans to help fund new models.

The U.S. Trade Representative has threatened to pursue litigation at the World Trade Organization if Airbus seeks such loans for the A350, while Airbus Chief Executive Noel Forgeard has stated his intention to do so.

Forgeard has said Airbus might ask for 1 billion euros in state loans for the A350, in line with projected costs of 4 billion euros ($5.2 billion).

But analysts said the cost of the program could soar if the planemaker is forced to develop an all-new design instead of simply upgrading the A330.

"The current A350 might not do the trick," said Aboulafia, noting all-new designs take longer and cost far more; the A380 has cost about $12 billion.

The Airbus A380, set to be the star of next June's biannual Paris air show, is expected to begin deliveries in 2006, meaning the planemaker will still be recovering its costs while it tools up for the A350.

Forgeard has said the A350 will win 50 orders by the Paris show, a target which analysts said could be at risk.

In advance of the event, analysts say pending orders from Northwest Airlines and Qatar Airways will be crucial for the A350 as both carriers are major A330 customers, so a Boeing win would be a blow.

Nephasto

April 21st, 2005, 10:19 PM

List of orders and comitments in 2005:

Airbus

A300
UPS: -37

A320's
Kingfisher Airlines: 3
Shenzhen Airlines: 6
Iberia: 30
China Eastern: 15
AirAsia: 60
GB Airways: 5

A330
Northwest Airlines: 8
Air China: 20
Biman: 6

A350
Air Europa: 10

A380
China Southern: 5
UPS: 10

Single Aisles = 119
Wide bodies = 22

TOTAL = 141

Boeing

717
Pembroke: -14

737
Air Europa: 6
JAL: 30
Buraq Air: 3
Icelandair: 10
SpiceJet: 10
GOL: 9
Ryanair: 70
Xiamen Airlines: 15
SALE: 20
Westjet:3
FL Group: 5

767
ANA: -2

777
ANA: 4
Air France: 4
Biman: 4

787
Air China: 15
China Eastern: 15
China Southern: 13
Hainan Airlines: 8
Shanghai Airlines: 6
Xiamen Airlines: 3
Continenta: 10
JAL: 30
Vietnam Airlines: 4
Ethiopian: 5
Icelandair: 2
Korean Air: 10

Single Aisles = 167
Wide bodies = 131

TOTAL = 298

Aircraft orders in 2005 (updated monthly) (Summary to 31th of March 2005) (The official numbers, which only shows firm orders signed this year and that is what will count for the year end results)(taken from airbus and boeing websites):
Airbus:123
Boeing:45

For a slightly diferent list on the same subject (diferent couting methods) consult www.justplanes.com

FM 2258

April 22nd, 2005, 05:24 AM

^^^

What does it mean when you have the minus(-) sign in front of the number?

For example:

A300
UPS: -37

or

717
Pembroke: -14

Cheese Mmmmmmmmmmmm

April 22nd, 2005, 05:35 AM

^ Those are cancelled or deferred orders, like with UPS they changed their order for 37 A300F's into 10 A380F's.

Nephasto

April 22nd, 2005, 09:38 PM

Just some more details about the chinese companies buying airbuses:

Chinese airlines order Airbuses Apr 22
Shenzhen Airlines has placed an order for 2 Airbus A319s and 3 A320s.
China Eastern placed an order for 4 Airbus A320s and 11 A321s in addition to 5 A319s that had been announced previously.
China Southern also signed its contrat for 5 previously announced A380s.

Source: www.justplanes.com

Nephasto

April 25th, 2005, 05:05 PM

Nephasto

April 25th, 2005, 05:22 PM

List of orders and comitments in 2005:

Airbus

A300
UPS: -37

A320's
Kingfisher Airlines: 3
Shenzhen Airlines: 6
Iberia: 30
China Eastern: 15
AirAsia: 60
GB Airways: 5

A330
Northwest Airlines: 8
Air China: 20
Biman: 6

A350
Air Europa: 10

A380
China Southern: 5
UPS: 10

Single Aisles = 119
Wide bodies = 22

TOTAL = 141

Boeing

717
Pembroke: -14

737
Air Europa: 6
JAL: 30
Buraq Air: 3
Icelandair: 10
SpiceJet: 10
GOL: 9
Ryanair: 70
Xiamen Airlines: 15
SALE: 20
Westjet:3
FL Group: 5
Copa: 5

767
ANA: -2

777
ANA: 4
Air France: 4
Biman: 4
Air Canada:18

787
Air China: 15
China Eastern: 15
China Southern: 13
Hainan Airlines: 8
Shanghai Airlines: 6
Xiamen Airlines: 3
Continenta: 10
JAL: 30
Vietnam Airlines: 4
Ethiopian: 5
Icelandair: 2
Korean Air: 10
Air Canada: 14

Single Aisles = 172
Wide bodies = 163

TOTAL = 335

Aircraft orders in 2005 (updated monthly) (Summary to 31th of March 2005) (The official numbers, which only shows firm orders signed this year and that is what will count for the year end results)(taken from airbus and boeing websites):
Airbus:123
Boeing:45

For a slightly diferent list on the same subject (diferent couting methods) consult www.justplanes.com

New York Yankee

April 25th, 2005, 05:28 PM

Air Canada places major Boeing order Apr 25
Air Canada has picked Boeing for its long haul fleet. The airline has placed a firm order for 18 Boeing 777s and has taken purchase rights for an additional 18 B777s. The first aircraft, a B777-300ER will arrive next year and will be placed into service on the Vancouver to Tokyo route. Air Canada is scheduled to take 3 B777-300ERs in 2006.
Air Canada also placed an order for 14 Boeing 787s as well as purchase rights for 46 additional B787s. First delivery of the Dreamliner is due in 2010.

Source: www.justplanes.com

this orders are "firm orders' so you might be change the number of boeing

Nick in Atlanta

April 25th, 2005, 05:59 PM

List of orders and comitments in 2005:
A380
China Southern: 5
UPS: 10

Airbus lists the above two apparent "orders" for the A380 as Commitments, while it shows the other orders for the A380 passenger version and the A380 Freighter (due out in 2008) as an Order. A commitment doesn't seem like a finished deal to me, but I would assume that Airbus, China Southern and UPS would have signed a contract for these planes. Why are they not called "orders," like other pre-2005 orders?

ZuluKingOfTheDwarfPeople

April 25th, 2005, 09:27 PM

Copa has ordered 15 737's; you can add that to the list.

Nephasto

April 25th, 2005, 10:16 PM

this orders are "firm orders' so you might be change the number of boeing

I've already added these orders to the list, and I should remind you all once again this is a list of orders AND commitments!
It doesn't matter if the orders have been officially signed or not!!

Airbus lists the above two apparent "orders" for the A380 as Commitments, while it shows the other orders for the A380 passenger version and the A380 Freighter (due out in 2008) as an Order. A commitment doesn't seem like a finished deal to me, but I would assume that Airbus, China Southern and UPS would have signed a contract for these planes. Why are they not called "orders," like other pre-2005 orders?

What does it matter if they are orders or commitments?!?
About 80% of boeing's the orders and commitments in this list are just commitments and not signed orders. Same happens for the airbus ones!
That's what happens usually! They will be signed as an order later. For now, they are just signed commitments.

PS: Those 5 380's ordered by china southers were firmed just a few days ago, so they are orders and not commitments.

Copa has ordered 15 737's; you can add that to the list.

I will add them as soon as they appear on www.justplanes.com. ;)
That site is very good and accurate and is what I use to guide myself.

Rockefeller

April 26th, 2005, 12:16 AM

Air Canada places major Boeing order Apr 25
Air Canada has picked Boeing for its long haul fleet. The airline has placed a firm order for 18 Boeing 777s and has taken purchase rights for an additional 18 B777s. The first aircraft, a B777-300ER will arrive next year and will be placed into service on the Vancouver to Tokyo route. Air Canada is scheduled to take 3 B777-300ERs in 2006.
Air Canada also placed an order for 14 Boeing 787s as well as purchase rights for 46 additional B787s. First delivery of the Dreamliner is due in 2010.

Source: www.justplanes.com

This is great news! It is going to be awesome seeing the Dreamliner land at Pearson International airport. Air Canada seems intent on eventually eliminating Airbus from its fleet. They will be taking delivery of the new Embraer 170's i blv and also CRJ's.

Nephasto

April 26th, 2005, 12:27 AM

Boeing, Panama's Copa Announce Order for Up to 15 Next-Generation 737s

SEATTLE, April 25, 2005 -- Boeing [NYSE: BA] and Copa Airline executives today said the Panamanian airline placed an order for up to 15 additional new Boeing Next-Generation 737 airplanes for its all-Boeing fleet.

Five of the airplanes are firm orders. Deliveries begin in 2007 and extend through 2009. Firm orders and purchase rights, if exercised, would represent an approximate investment of $750 million.
(...)

Source: www.boeing.com

It's 5 planes plus 10 options.

Cheese Mmmmmmmmmmmm

April 26th, 2005, 12:49 AM

Any theories on why Boeing's beating Airbus thus far this year?

(... No smartass remarks please.) :)

Nick in Atlanta

April 26th, 2005, 12:59 AM

What does it matter if they are orders or commitments?!? About 80% of boeing's the orders and commitments in this list are just commitments and not signed orders. Same happens for the airbus ones! That's what happens usually! They will be signed as an order later. For now, they are just signed commitments.

Hey Nephasto, I was just asking a simple question! There's no reason to go off on me! Why don't you just calm down a little?

Nick in Atlanta

April 26th, 2005, 01:08 AM

Any theories on why Boeing's beating Airbus thus far this year?

(... No smartass remarks please.) :)

As far as the Boeing 787 goes, it uses 30 percent less fuel than any equivalent planes built by either Boeing or Airbus. And just like car fuel, aviation fuel has gone up 50% in the last year. But, that's just my opinion. :)

JMGarcia

April 26th, 2005, 04:16 AM

Granted, this is anecdotal, but just this summer airlines have started service between NY and a number of 3rd tier cities in Europe such as Belfast and Bristol. I think Boeing has got it right that smaller planes for more point to point travel is the way of the future.

Plus, with the A340-500 and 777-200LR cutting out connections in additional markets there's a lot less people going on routes between the big hubs, the A380s bread and butter. The 450 seat 747Adv starts making sense in that market.

This is not to say that I don't think the A380 will be a success, it will, just that its not nearly as big a market as the one that the 787 is going to fill.

Nick in Atlanta

April 26th, 2005, 05:09 AM

Cheese Mmmmmmmmmmmm

April 26th, 2005, 05:34 AM

^ LOL... single-aisle jets on transatlantic routes... What's next? Embraer RJs from Scranton to Hanoi? :bash:

Boeing does have a "point" with the point-to-point system, because large U.S. airports suck ass with the exception of maybe Denver. And Japan can't build new airports on land without having kamakazi farmers attack the construction site, so 787s will do well there too.

The 747Adv is such a retarded idea, I don't even want to go there... Boeing likes to slap adjectives like "advanced" and "next-generation" onto old planes, sounds like a used-car salesman tampering with the odometer. It's time Boeing kill the 747. The A380 won, enough with all these silly derivatives, just focus on their other planes.

JMGarcia

April 26th, 2005, 06:07 AM

@JMGarcia: That's a good point, but remember that most of Continental's new flights from Newark to out-of-the-way cities like Bristol are going to use 180 seat B757s. But, point to point flying will definitely become more common, especially from the big metro areas like NYC and LAX.

The smaller 787's are only about 20% bigger which is not much considering projected traffic growth over the next decade. In any case, even with the 757's that's 180 people that won't be going to London just on the one route.

SKYLINEPIGEON

April 26th, 2005, 04:55 PM

Air India orders 50 Boeing aircraft

Air India announced Tuesday a $6 billion order for 50 new Boeing aircraft.
State-owned Air India said it would purchase eight 777-300 long-haul jetliners, 15 737-200 medium range aircraft and 27 787s -- Boeing's newest jet, the Dreamliner.

The Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner and 787-9 airplanes will carry 217-257 passengers and are due to enter service in 2008.

The announcement one day after Air Canada said it would purchase up to 96 Boeing jets and a day before the maiden flight of the Airbus A-380 superjumbo, is a major boost for the US manufacturer.

Earlier in April, Boeing's senior vice president of sales Dinesh Keskar said his company had offered ''comprehensive and competitive bids'' for the planes and last week, U.S. Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta visited New Delhi and lobbied for the deal.

Air India issued the following statement:

The Board of Air-India at its meeting held in Mumbai today approved the aircraft acquisition plan after detailed examination of the recommendations of the in-house Techno-economic Committee appointed for examining the bids. The aircraft acquisition plan approved by the Board, subject to the approval of the Government, envisages procurement of :

~ 8 Boeing 777-200LR Medium Capacity Ultra Long Range aircraft in three-class configuration;

~ 15 Boeing 777-300ER Medium Capacity Long Range-350 seater, in three-class configuration, and

~27 Boeing 787 Medium Capacity Long Range-250 seater, in two class configuration, at a total cost estimated to be about Rs.30,000 crores, prior to negotiations with the manufacturers of air frame and engines.

Air India has a fleet of both Boeing and Airbus aircraft.

Referring to reports appearing in a section of the press regarding alleged changes made after the issue of the request for proposal (RFP), Air-India would like to state that no changes whatsoever were made after issue of the request for proposal.

The Board took note of the fact that there are spillovers in the delivery schedules proposed by both the manufacturers with respect to one or more aircraft. In any case, the final delivery schedule can be decided only after the necessary Government approvals have been obtained and orders are placed.

Boeing and Airbus recently increased their sales forecasts for India

Boeing was forecasting that India would require about 300 planes worth about $25 billion over the next 20 years. In February, during an air show in Bangalore, India, Boeing said that it had revised its forecast to about $35 billion worth of planes. India, according to Boeing, will be the fastest-growing aircraft market after China.

Airbus is forecasting that India will need 570 new jets by 2023 - 348 more planes than Airbus forecast for India just two years ago.

On March 8th, Airbus said that Chinese airlines may need 1,790 new planes worth $230 billion until 2023. Boeing forecast for China is 2,300 planes valued at $180 billion.

drwho

April 26th, 2005, 06:03 PM

Boeing Statement on Air India 777 and 787 Announcement

http://www.boeing.com/news/breakingnews/2005/050426a.html

Nick in Atlanta

April 26th, 2005, 06:17 PM

Check out this website, called "Randy's Journal," which is also on the Boeing website.

http://www.boeing.com/randy/

Nephasto

April 26th, 2005, 09:58 PM

Just a short notice with the important data:

Air India picks Boeing Apr 26
Air India today approved the purchase of 50 new aircraft and picked Boeing. According to Boeing 35 of those will be firm orders while the remaining 15 will be options for later deliveries.
Firm order : 5 B777-200LRs, 10 B777-300ERs and 20 B787s.
Options : 3 B777-200LRs, 5 B777-300ERs and 7 B787s.
Air India becomes the 19th airline to select Boeing's new Dreamliner and the manufacturer appears close to announcing a 20th airline

Source: www.justplanes.com

Nephasto

April 26th, 2005, 10:01 PM

List of orders and comitments in 2005:

Airbus

A300
UPS: -37

A320's
Kingfisher Airlines: 3
Shenzhen Airlines: 6
Iberia: 30
China Eastern: 15
AirAsia: 60
GB Airways: 5
BMA: 7

A330
Northwest Airlines: 8
Air China: 20
Biman: 6

A350
Air Europa: 10

A380
China Southern: 5
UPS: 10

Single Aisles = 126
Wide bodies = 22

TOTAL = 148

Boeing

717
Pembroke: -14

737
Air Europa: 6
JAL: 30
Buraq Air: 3
Icelandair: 10
SpiceJet: 10
GOL: 9
Ryanair: 70
Xiamen Airlines: 15
SALE: 20
Westjet:3
FL Group: 5
Copa: 5

767
ANA: -2

777
ANA: 4
Air France: 4
Biman: 4
Air Canada:18
Air India: 15

787
Air China: 15
China Eastern: 15
China Southern: 13
Hainan Airlines: 8
Shanghai Airlines: 6
Xiamen Airlines: 3
Continenta: 10
JAL: 30
Vietnam Airlines: 4
Ethiopian: 5
Icelandair: 2
Korean Air: 10
Air Canada: 14
Air India: 20

Single Aisles = 172
Wide bodies = 198

TOTAL = 370

Aircraft orders in 2005 (updated monthly) (Summary to 31th of March 2005) (The official numbers, which only shows firm orders signed this year and that is what will count for the year end results)(taken from airbus and boeing websites):
Airbus:123
Boeing:45

For a slightly diferent list on the same subject (diferent couting methods) consult www.justplanes.com

Isan

April 27th, 2005, 01:34 AM

Go to >>>>>>>>>>> (http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=165877) Air Canada to order Boeing 777s and 787 Dreamliners

spyguy

April 27th, 2005, 01:54 AM

http://tinyurl.com/aumvj

By Rina Chandran

BOMBAY (Reuters) - Air-India on Tuesday approved the purchase of up to 50 long-range Boeing Co. (BA.N: Quote, Profile, Research) aircraft worth about 300 billion rupees ($6.9 billion), the U.S. plane maker's second multi-billion-dollar deal in as many days.

The order, subject to Indian government approval, includes eight 777-200LR ultra-long range aircraft, 15 777-300ERs and 27 of Boeing's newest 787 long-range jets, India's state-run international carrier said in a statement.

Boeing Co. said it hopes to corner a big share of the estimated $35 billion market in India over the next 20 years.

"It's an important customer and we're really happy to have them on board," Mike Bair, vice president and general manager of the 787 program, said on a conference call. "As the Indian airlines start to deregulate, we're seeing a lot of stuff starting to happen over there."

Very good news for Boeing. Let's see what happens Wednesday with Airbus and the A380.

Nick in Atlanta

April 27th, 2005, 04:03 AM

I may be an American, but I love aviation. I hope the A380 does fantastically well tomorrow on its inaugural flight.

Isan

April 27th, 2005, 10:25 AM

http://tinypic.com/4qqzgk

huaiwei

April 27th, 2005, 10:27 AM

Go watch the takeoff! :D

Nephasto

April 29th, 2005, 08:17 PM

BMA orders additional A321s Apr 28
British Mediterranean Airways has placed an order for 7 Airbus A321s. Deliveries are expected to start in January 2006.

Source: www.justplanes.com

Cheese Mmmmmmmmmmmm

April 30th, 2005, 12:30 AM

Cheese Mmmmmmmmmmmm

April 30th, 2005, 12:32 AM

Cheese Mmmmmmmmmmmm

April 30th, 2005, 12:33 AM

Cheese Mmmmmmmmmmmm

April 30th, 2005, 12:35 AM

Cheese Mmmmmmmmmmmm

April 30th, 2005, 12:36 AM

Isan

April 30th, 2005, 01:34 AM

^ There we go... I felt this thread was lacking recent A350 news. :)

Here A350 is (http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=142634)

Cheese Mmmmmmmmmmmm

April 30th, 2005, 03:53 AM

^ Actually I'm purposely hoping that old A350 thread will DIE, because it's got that goofus rendering of a 6-engine plane that people keep mistaking for the real thing. If I find any more A350 news I'll start a new thead for it. Things should be picking up with that aircraft now that the A380's off and running.

New York Yankee

May 1st, 2005, 12:26 PM

Isan

May 1st, 2005, 12:40 PM

Airbus irate at Air India's Boeing order
April 29, 2005

Airbus has cried foul over Air India's decision to order 50 Boeing jets, saying it had been denied a chance to show off its A380 superjumbo.

Airbus urged the Indian government to order a new tender after the state-run airline approved the $7 billion (R42.8 billion) purchase from the European aircraft maker's US rival.

"We are not disappointed, but astonished. We weren't given fair and equal treatment," said Airbus vice-president Nigel Harwood. The planes ordered by Air India include 27 Boeing B787s.

Airbus chief in India Kiran Rao said no one knew the B787's performance capability as it was still on the drawing board.

Harwood said Airbus got no chance to show off its double-decker A380 - the world's biggest passenger plane - which was "contrary to tender conditionalities", a claim Air India denied.

Nephasto

May 5th, 2005, 01:07 AM

Air Mauritius orders more A340s May 03
Air Mauritius is to buy 3 Airbus A340-300Es. Two of the aircraft are scheduled to be delivered at the end of 2006, the third one in October 2007. In addition the airline hold an option on a 4th for delivery on October 2009 and possibly a 5th. Air Mauritius is to sell its 2 Boeing 767-200ERs leaving it with an all A340 fleet for long haul operations.

Source: www.justplanes.com

Nephasto

May 5th, 2005, 01:09 AM

List of orders and comitments in 2005:

Airbus

A300
UPS: -37

A320's
Kingfisher Airlines: 3
Shenzhen Airlines: 6
Iberia: 30
China Eastern: 15
AirAsia: 60
GB Airways: 5
BMA: 7

A330
Northwest Airlines: 8
Air China: 20
Biman: 6

A340
Air Mauritius: 3

A350
Air Europa: 10

A380
China Southern: 5
UPS: 10

Single Aisles = 126
Wide bodies = 25

TOTAL = 151

Boeing

717
Pembroke: -14

737
Air Europa: 6
JAL: 30
Buraq Air: 3
Icelandair: 10
SpiceJet: 10
GOL: 9
Ryanair: 70
Xiamen Airlines: 15
SALE: 20
Westjet:3
FL Group: 5
Copa: 5
Skyeurope:4
GECAS:6

767
ANA: -2

777
ANA: 4
Air France: 4
Biman: 4
Air Canada:18
Air India: 15

787
Air China: 15
China Eastern: 15
China Southern: 13
Hainan Airlines: 8
Shanghai Airlines: 6
Xiamen Airlines: 3
Continenta: 10
JAL: 30
Vietnam Airlines: 4
Ethiopian: 5
Icelandair: 2
Korean Air: 10
Air Canada: 14
Air India: 20
Northwest: 18

Single Aisles = 182
Wide bodies = 216

TOTAL = 398

Aircraft orders in 2005 (updated monthly) (Summary to 31th of March 2005) (The official numbers, which only shows firm orders signed this year and that is what will count for the year end results)(taken from airbus and boeing websites):
Airbus:123
Boeing:45

For a slightly diferent list on the same subject (diferent couting methods) consult www.justplanes.com

New York Yankee

May 5th, 2005, 10:22 PM

^ nephasto, when you're gonna change the number of the firm order of boeing, it's much more higher now as you displayed.

Cheese Mmmmmmmmmmmm

May 5th, 2005, 11:50 PM

Airbus has beaten Boeing on number of planes delivered the past two years right? Not on orders. :)

Nephasto

May 6th, 2005, 01:08 AM

^ nephasto, when you're gonna change the number of the firm order of boeing, it's much more higher now as you displayed.

When tha data for the orders for 2005 signed until the end of april is put availible by airbus. It should not take long.
Boeing's firm orders for 2005, through May 3 stands at 65.

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm

Nephasto

May 6th, 2005, 01:11 AM

Northwest Airlines Selects Boeing 787 Dreamliner

SEATTLE, May 5, 2005 -- Boeing [NYSE: BA] and Northwest Airlines, Inc. [NASDAQ: NWAC] today announced the airline's order for up to 68 Boeing 787 Dreamliners. Northwest will use the 787 to boost operating efficiencies on its long-haul routes.

The order includes firm purchases of 18 787-8s worth, approximately $2.2 billion at list prices, plus options and purchase rights for 50 additional Dreamliners. Six airplanes will be delivered each year during 2008, 2009, and 2010. With its initial delivery in August 2008, Northwest will be the first North American carrier operating the 787.

Source: www.boeing.com

Lee

May 6th, 2005, 03:51 AM

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2005/photorelease/q2/050505g.jpg

Nick in Atlanta

May 6th, 2005, 05:26 AM

@Lee: Is your avatar you? It looks like a guy who stands in the Greyhound bus terminal waiting for 15 year old girls to get off buses after they ran away from home, and asks them if they need a place to stay. Two weeks later they're pulling in $300 a night, and Lee gets half.

Cheese Mmmmmmmmmmmm

May 6th, 2005, 05:37 AM

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2005/photorelease/q2/050505g.jpg

I LOVE NWA's livery!!! :)

New York Yankee

May 6th, 2005, 01:37 PM

yes, this is beautiful news!!!!

Nephasto

May 6th, 2005, 04:33 PM

New York Yankee

May 6th, 2005, 07:58 PM

correcting the firm orders:

Aircraft orders in 2005 (updated monthly) (Summary to 31th of March 2005) (The official numbers, which only shows firm orders signed this year and that is what will count for the year end results)(taken from airbus and boeing websites):
Airbus:123
Boeing:65 + 18 (northwest airlines) = 83

For a slightly diferent list on the same subject (diferent couting methods) consult www.justplanes.com[/QUOTE]

so, the firm orders are now:
Airbus: 123
Boeing 83

New York Yankee

May 6th, 2005, 07:59 PM

^nephasto, are i'm wrong or something?

ZuluKingOfTheDwarfPeople

May 6th, 2005, 11:27 PM

LOT is to order 6 787's!

FM 2258

May 6th, 2005, 11:46 PM

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2005/photorelease/q2/050505g.jpg

Authough I loved the original 787 design I have to say that the Northwest Livery makes the new 787 look a little bit better. I still wish they hadn't changed the concept design to the final design. :(

I guess I'm gonna have to get used to the final 787 design and learn to like it.

Cheese Mmmmmmmmmmmm

May 7th, 2005, 06:07 AM

^ Meh... you people get too hung up on what the exterior looks like. There's only so many shapes you can make a plane!

It's the inside that counts.... too bad I'm stuck in the U.S. :)

Nephasto

May 8th, 2005, 01:06 AM

^nephasto, are i'm wrong or something?

Yes, you are wrong, because I'il only add the orders, when boeing adds them to their order list, which has not yet happened.
The same goes for airbus.
(I will update that with the data for the end of april, as soon as airbus (boeing already did it) updates it's order book with that data for the month of april.)

Isan

May 10th, 2005, 10:23 AM

Boeing and Japan Airlines complete 787 and 737 Agreements
9 May 2005

Boeing and Japan Airlines (JAL) today completed contracts for 30 Boeing 787 Dreamliners and 30 Next-Generation 737-800 passenger airplanes, agreements worth $5.3 billion at list prices. JAL also has options for 20 more 787s and 10 more 737s.

"This is a very special day for Boeing and Japan Airlines, two great companies that are working together to build the future and who share a solid understanding of the aviation market," said Boeing Commercial Airplanes Vice President for Sales Larry Dickenson. "The 787 will provide JAL the best in efficiency, economics, and reliability for medium-to-long-range operations, and the 737 provides the lowest operating costs with the best reliability in its class."

JAL is one of 20 airlines that have announced orders and commitments for 255 Dreamliners. Completing the JAL agreement brings to 112 the number of 787s under firm contract. The 787 will be the key airplane on several of JAL's domestic and international routes. The 787 will, according to Japan Airlines, "provide outstanding flexibility in route planning and a wonderful flying experience for passengers."

The 787 family includes three airplanes seating 200 to 300 passengers that fly between 3,500 and 8,500 nautical miles (6,500 to 16,000 kilometers). The 787 will use 20 percent less fuel than today's comparable airplanes and will offer passengers a new interior environment with higher humidity levels, wider seats and aisles, larger windows, and other conveniences.

Boeing launched the 787 in April 2004. Production will begin in 2006. First flight is expected in 2007 with certification, delivery and entry into service in 2008.

Nephasto

May 10th, 2005, 11:12 PM

Sky Europe selects 737NG for fleet renewal May 10
Sky Europe will completely renew its fleet with 16 Boeing 737-700s. The aircraft will be delivered in 2006-2007. In addition the airline took purchase options on a further 16 aircraft for delivery in 2008-2009. Out of the firm aircraft the airline will lease 12 from GECAS (see next article).

Source: www.justplanes.com

That's 4 orders for boeing, and 12 leased to GECAS

GECAS orders 6 B737-700s May 10
GE Commercial Aviation Services (GECAS) has placed an order for 6 B737-700s with deliveries scheduled from 2006 to 2007. The company will lease these aircraft, in addition to 6 it already has ordered, to Sky Europe.

Source: www.justplanes.com

hkskyline

May 11th, 2005, 07:21 AM

Airbus Delivered 116 Planes Jan-Apr, Took 145 Orders
10 May 2005

LONDON (Dow Jones)--Airbus (ABI.YY) delivered 29 airplanes and took 22 orders in April bringing its tally for the first four months of 2005 to 116 deliveries and 145 orders, a spokesman for the France-based aircraft maker said Tuesday.

Airbus is expecting to deliver 350-360 airplanes during 2005 after supplying 320 in 2004. This year should be the third in a row that Airbus delivers more airliners than arch-rival Boeing Co. (BA).

Airbus is jointly owned by European Aeronautic Defence & Space Co. NV (5730.FR) and BAE Systems PLC (BA.LN).

Bond James Bond

May 11th, 2005, 08:55 AM

http://today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=businessNews&storyID=2005-05-11T020103Z_01_SHA176408_RTRIDST_0_BUSINESS-AIRLINES-CHINA-SOUTHERN-DC.XML

China Southern Air to buy 45 Boeing aircraft
Tue May 10

SHANGHAI (Reuters) - China Southern Airlines Co. Ltd., China's largest carrier by fleet, said on Wednesday it had agreed to buy 45 Boeing Co. jets, the latest big Asian order for the U.S. aerospace giant.

The order is worth at least $2.6 billion at list prices, though airlines commonly negotiate discounts, especially with large purchases.

Asia has emerged as a key battleground in Boeing's bid to recover market share from European arch rival Airbus, now the world's leading commercial jet maker.

The China Southern order was the latest in a series of coups in the region for Boeing, which in January signed a preliminary agreement with China worth about $7.2 billion to sell up to 60 of its newest wide-body plane, the 787, to 6 Chinese airlines.

Elsewhere in Asia, Air-India last month approved the purchase of nearly $7 billion in Boeing jets.

Boeing, which replaced its head of sales late last year, has scored a string of international order successes lately and its shares are trading close to their highest level in a year.

The China Southern aircraft would be delivered between 2006 and 2008, the airline said in a statement published in the official Shanghai Securities News.

China Southern will buy twelve 737-700 aircraft and 33 737-800 aircraft, it said. Fifteen of the 737-800 craft -- which can carry up to 189 passengers -- will be delivered to China Southern's unit, Xiamen Airlines.

The list price for the short-to-medium range 737-700 craft was $50.5 million-$59 million, while the price for the 737-800 aircraft was $61.5 million-$69.5 million, China Southern said.

"The purchases would increase China Southern's capacity by 15 percent," China Southern said in the statement.

The airlines would use bank loans to buy the aircraft, but had yet to sign any agreements with lenders, it said, adding it would disclose related information later.

China Southern in March said it planned to lease 25 airplanes including 10 Boeing 737s, 5 Airbus A320-200s and 10 Airbus A321-200 planes.

China Southern's Shanghai-listed shares closed at 3.58 yuan on Tuesday.

FM 2258

May 11th, 2005, 09:04 AM

^ Meh... you people get too hung up on what the exterior looks like. There's only so many shapes you can make a plane!

It's the inside that counts.... too bad I'm stuck in the U.S. :)

Meh.....I guess people can get hung up on exteriors but we do that for pretty much every vehicle we see, especially cars. We were all hoping to see an extra sleek looking 787 jet to be suprised with a much more conventional looking jet.

Honestly I'm starting to like the new 787 although I wish the old one was going to be built.

I have a feeling I've said this already before. :)

Interesting about us being stuck in the U.S. is that all these 787's are going overseas.

Bond James Bond

May 11th, 2005, 09:39 AM

A nice overview article about the current Boeing Boom:

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/223741_air11.html

Wednesday, May 11, 2005
The boom is coming back at Boeing
Company ramps up production; hiring to continue upward trend

By JAMES WALLACE
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER AEROSPACE REPORTER

For the first time since 2001, business seems to be booming at The Boeing Co.'s Puget Sound-area factories -- enough that it's increasing output at Renton and Everett factories.

The company plans to open a second production line in Renton that will push output there to a record 31 planes a month. It is also requiring some 777 workers in Everett to work overtime and will replace a key executive there amid a series of production problems before it boosts output of that twin-aisle jetliner as well.

But the company says hiring likely will continue at the modest pace of the past several months.

Although the company won't comment about current or future production rates, a Boeing spokeswoman confirmed late yesterday that another 737 assembly line is in the works.

"We are preparing to implement a second moving line to provide flexibility to meet increasing demand over the next few years," the spokeswoman said.

The aim is to be able to increase the 737 build rate to a record 31 planes a month, and possibly even higher, according to people familiar with the company's thinking. That's six or seven planes a month more than currently produced.

Boeing also plans to boost production of its 777 in Everett. But that line is experiencing breakdowns serious enough that a top factory executive is being replaced, according to a well-placed source on the 777 program. The source said mandatory overtime has been initiated so 777 mechanics can catch up on back work. A Boeing spokesman acknowledged yesterday that "pockets" of mechanics on the 777 line are being required to work overtime.

One way to measure the progress of a plane in its production cycle is by how many "jobs" or tasks mechanics are behind at certain points during assembly. On a recent 777 in final assembly, according to the source, workers were several hundred jobs behind. Typically, falling 50 or so jobs behind would be cause for concern.

Boeing disputed that the number of jobs on any recent 777 in final assembly had slipped so far behind. But the company acknowledged there have been production issues.

"Our leadership is managing this on a day-to-day basis," said Marc Birtel, Boeing's 777 spokesman. "We are managing it and watching it."

He said Boeing is working on the production problems internally as well as with its chain of suppliers. But the source said things are so bad that Mary Dowell, the 777 final assembly superintendent, has been replaced. Birtel declined comment on that.

Boeing is in the process of transforming the way it assembles the 777 to gain improved efficiencies and lower the cost of production in an all-out effort to be more competitive with Airbus. At the same time, it is gearing up to boost production in response to growing demand for the 777, especially the new long-range 777-300ER. Boeing also has the even newer 777-200LR in the production pipeline. That plane, which will be the world's longest-range commercial jetliner when it enters service next year, is now in flight tests.

Although Boeing won't discuss production rates, the 777 is currently on what's known as a five-day cycle, meaning four planes are assembled each month, according to workers. That may go up to as many as seven planes a month as orders continue to roll in, they say.

In the late 1990s, as it ramped up production to record levels, Boeing faced assembly line meltdowns in Everett and Renton. Production had to be briefly stopped on the 737 and 747 programs when assembly lines became snarled. Workers on the 777 line say today's production problems are nowhere near as bad as they were in 1997.

"Our transformation (of the 777 production) has its challenges," Birtel acknowledged. "We are changing processes and the way things are set up."

Boeing assembles the 777 on a "moving" line, which was first implemented successfully on the 717 program in Long Beach, Calif., and later on the next-generation 737 program in Renton.

The lean manufacturing efforts have reduced final assembly time of the 737 to about 12 days. Five years ago, a 737 required 22 days in final assembly. Boeing's manufacturing plan is to eventually cut 737 final assembly time to eight days. Even though the twin-aisle 777 is a far more complex airplane, Boeing believes its ongoing 777 production transformation in Everett will eventually reduce the jet's final assembly time to fewer than 10 days.

Although Boeing production rates are going up again, that does not mean the company will be hiring large numbers of workers.

The company has made it clear that it expects only a "gradual" increase in its Puget Sound commercial employment as the airplane market improves and production is increased.

The latest company employment numbers reflect the trend.

Another 456 Boeing jobs were added in Washington state between April 5 and May 5.

At the start of 2005, Boeing's employment in Washington state was 55,434. As of May 5, it stood at 57,489. Boeing does not break out its job totals by work site.

By the time production ended late last year on the 757 program in Renton, most of those workers had been shifted over the work on the 737.

Boeing also has been adding engineers on its 787 program in Everett as well as engineers for the Navy's Multi-mission Maritime Aircraft. This will be a military version of the 737 for the U.S. Navy that will replace the current P-3 planes used as sub hunters. Boeing won this competition over Lockheed Martin last year. Eventually, the Navy wants more than 100 of the Boeing jets.

Boeing disclosed yesterday that these Navy 737s will be assembled in a building adjacent to the Renton plant where the commercial 737s are now assembled. That other building is used to fabricate 737 wings.

In order to comply with the strict requirements of the U.S. International Traffic in Arms Regulations, or ITAR, access to the production line for the Navy's 737s must be restricted.

Other military derivatives of the 737, and in some cases 737s ordered by U.S. customers, will be built on that ITAR-compliant line, according to Boeing.

Production of the next-generation 737 hit its all-time high of 28 planes a month in 2001, only days before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. Boeing quickly slashed production by half across all its airplane programs as the airline industry headed for its worst downturn ever.

At the time of the terrorist attacks, Boeing operated three 737 assembly lines in Renton, along with the 757 line. Eventually, those three 737 lines were consolidated into two lines, including one that was moving. In 2003, Boeing was down to just the single 737 moving line.

But now, Boeing needs a second assembly line to meet the recent surge in 737 orders.

The 737 has been the company's best-selling jet the last few years, just as the single-aisle A320 has been the top seller for Airbus. The planes are especially popular with low-cost carriers in the United States, Europe and Asia.

Of Boeing's 277 jetliner total orders last year, 152 were for the 737. This year, Boeing already has 98 firm 737 orders, with more in the works. And that does not include the planned order of 70 737s by Ryanair, Europe's biggest low-cost airline, announced earlier this year. A firm contract for that order is pending.

Just yesterday, China Southern Airlines announced it will order 45 737s. And separately, Boeing announced that GE Commercial Aviation has ordered six more 737s that will be leased to Sky Europe, a Central European low-cost airline.

The current 737 backlog -- planes not yet built -- is approaching 800.

In a recent interview, a senior Boeing jetliner sales executive said he could immediately place a dozen or more 737s with customers in Asia if the planes were available.

They aren't.

With production slots filled, customers have had to stand in a long line before taking delivery of their new 737s.

With a second assembly line coming, there will still be a waiting line for 737s. It just won't be as long.

Nephasto

May 11th, 2005, 05:43 PM

China Southern places large 737 order May 11
China Southern Airlines signed an agreement to buy 45 Boeing 737s including 15 for Xiamen Airlines (see next article). China Southern will receive 12 Boeing 737-700s and 18 Boeing 737-800s between 2006 and 2008.

Xiamen Airlines to receive 15 Boeing 737s May 11
Xiamen Airlines is to take delivery of 15 Boeing 737-800s between 2006 and 2008.China Southern places large 737 order May 11
China Southern Airlines signed an agreement to buy 45 Boeing 737s including 15 for Xiamen Airlines (see next article). China Southern will receive 12 Boeing 737-700s and 18 Boeing 737-800s between 2006 and 2008.

Source: www.justplanes.com

Nephasto

May 11th, 2005, 05:52 PM

List of orders and comitments in 2005:

Airbus

A300
UPS: -37
Galaxy Airlines: 1

A320's
Kingfisher Airlines: 3
Shenzhen Airlines: 6
Iberia: 30
China Eastern: 15
AirAsia: 60
GB Airways: 5
BMA: 7

A330
Northwest Airlines: 8
Air China: 20
Biman: 6

A340
Air Mauritius: 3

A350
Air Europa: 10

A380
China Southern: 5
UPS: 10

Single Aisles = 126
Wide bodies = 26

TOTAL = 152

Boeing

717
Pembroke: -14

737
Air Europa: 6
JAL: 30
Buraq Air: 3
Icelandair: 10
SpiceJet: 10
GOL: 9
Ryanair: 70
SALE: 20
Westjet:3
FL Group: 5
Copa: 5
Skyeurope: 4
GECAS: 6
Xiamen Airlines: 15
China Southern: 30

767
ANA: -2

777
ANA: 4
Air France: 4
Biman: 4
Air Canada:18
Air India: 15
Air France: 5

787
Air China: 15
China Eastern: 15
China Southern: 13
Hainan Airlines: 8
Shanghai Airlines: 6
Xiamen Airlines: 3
Continenta: 10
JAL: 30
Vietnam Airlines: 4
Ethiopian: 5
Icelandair: 2
Korean Air: 10
Air Canada: 14
Air India: 20
Northwest: 18

Single Aisles = 212
Wide bodies = 221

TOTAL = 433

Aircraft orders in 2005 (updated monthly) (Summary to 30th of April 2005) (The official numbers, which only shows firm orders signed this year and that is what will count for the year end results)(taken from airbus and boeing websites):
Airbus:145
Boeing:65

For a slightly diferent list on the same subject (diferent couting methods) consult www.justplanes.com

SKYLINEPIGEON

May 12th, 2005, 08:43 AM

Boeing wins biggest aircraft order from Central Europe, cinches deal with Japan Airlines

BRATISLAVA, Slovak Republic (eTurboNews) -- After a year of negotiations with Airbus and Boeing the greatest one-off order of Boeing airplanes in Central Europe was signed by Boeing, GE Commercial Aviation Services (GECAS) and SkyEurope Airlines on Tuesday, May 10.

SkyEurope Airlines, the first central Europe and leading low-fare airline, in service since 2002, placed an order for up to 32 brand new Boeing 737-700 series aircraft. The agreement includes 16 firm orders for aircrafts to be delivered in 2006 and 2007, and 16 purchase rights for aircraft to be delivered in 2008 and 2009. Out of the 16 firm orders, 12 aircraft will be financed by GECAS, with the first airplane to be delivered in February 2006.

The total new airplane order is valued at US$880 million at list prices, and at US$1.76 billion if the purchase rights are exercised. Leading Slovak carrier SkyEurope Airlines is financed by funds of the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, ABN-Amro Bank, the European Investment Fund, Bank Austria Creditanstalt and East Capital Management.

The airline started with its home based in Bratislava with only one turboprop Embraer 120 in February 2002, and today it is operating a network of 41 routes to 22 destinations in 13 European countries, with a fleet of seven Boeing 737-500s, four Boeing 737-300 and four EMB 120.

Boeing forecasts show that Central European countries will require about 570 new airplanes worth about $30.6 billion for next 20 years. Single-aisle airplanes in the 100- to 150-seat market, such as the 737, will account for 72 percent. Nine percent will be twin-aisle airplanes such as the Boeing 777 and 787, with the remainder being regional jets.

Boeing also announced it has completed contracts, worth US$5.3 billion at list prices, with Japan Airlines (JAL) for 30 787 Dreamliners and 30 Next-Generation 737-800 passenger airplanes, with the option for 20 more 787s and 10 more 737s.

According to the number two commercial aircraft maker, Japan Airlines sees the 787 Dreamliner as its next generation mid-sized twin aisle airplane, replacing Boeing 767s and Airbus A300-600s. The 737s will replace and expand JAL's single-aisle fleet. JAL announced it had selected the 787 last December and the 737 in February.

"This is a very special day for Boeing and Japan Airlines, two great companies that are working together to build the future and who share a solid understanding of the aviation market," said Boeing Commercial Airplanes Sales vice president Larry Dickenson. "The 787 will provide JAL the best in efficiency, economics, and reliability for medium-to-long-range operations, and the 737 provides the lowest operating costs with the best reliability in its class."

JAL is one of 20 airlines that have announced orders and commitments for 255 Dreamliners, Boeing said. Completing the JAL agreement brings to 112 the number of 787s under firm contract. The 787 will be the key airplane on several of JAL's domestic and international routes. The 787 will "provide outstanding flexibility in route planning and a wonderful flying experience for passengers," according to Japan Airlines.

“The airline selected the 737 because of its confidence in the airplane's technology, flexibility, reliability, and economic and environmental performance,” Boeing said. It added that the 787 family includes three airplanes seating 200 to 300 passengers that fly between 3,500 and 8,500 nautical miles (6,500 to 16,000 kilometers). “The 787 will use 20 percent less fuel than today's comparable airplanes and will offer passengers a new interior environment with higher humidity levels, wider seats and aisles, larger windows, and other conveniences.”

Isan

May 14th, 2005, 10:02 AM

SkyEurope Orders 16 Boeing 737s
May 10, 2005

Slovakia-based budget airline SkyEurope said on Tuesday it had ordered 16 new Boeing 737-700 planes worth USD$880 million at list prices to completely renew its fleet.

Spokesman Eryk Klopotowski said the company had the option to buy 16 more planes in the future. The entire deal would be worth USD$1.8 billion, he added.

"What we do is to firstly exchange the fleet and then add aircraft," he said.

The ordered planes will be delivered in 2006-2007, while the rest could join the fleet in 2008 and 2009 if the company's strong growth in passenger numbers continue, he said.

The carrier now operates seven Boeing 737-500 and six Embraer propeller planes. It said earlier this year it wanted to add four new jet planes to its fleet for the summer season.

Klopotowski said the ordered aircraft will be leased and financed by General Electric's Commercial Aviation Service (GECAS) and that the first plane, which would be more cost effective and have higher capacity than the current ones, should arrive in February next year.

The company, which is considering options for further expansion including a possible public share offering, flew 1.2 million passengers over the past 12 months ending in April, and Klopotowski said the growth in passenger numbers should continue in the future.

The three year old airline flew 956,000 passengers last year, up from 171,410 in 2003. It also operates from Budapest, Poland's Krakow and the eastern Slovak town of Kosice.

SkyEurope is owned by private investors and funds, whose investors include the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development, ABN Amro and Bank Austria Creditanstalt .

(Reuters)