Buffalo always gets a mixture of good and bad reviews why!!

Because Buffalo HAS good AND bad. The probelm is nobody knows about the good. And the good is very good!

Does anyone have anypics of Erie? I haven't seen alot of ot!

What is very good about the good? Is it the arts? Is it the people? Is it the hospitals? what is it? I just keep hearing Buffalo is so underrated.

you guys should post pics of the two cities

I could post many pics of buffalo but there are already several threads going. Try these to get a feel for Buffalo.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=141266

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=163635

http://skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=61788

http://skyscraperpage.com/gallery/data/561/2087south.jpg

Buffalo has suffered with a stagnant economy for many years but it was once a very great city. That greatness has left it with good bones. Great architecture, Greeat neighborhoods, great cultural institutions.

It also has an international boarder, fabulous natural surroundings including 2 great lakes, Niagara Falls 20 minutes form downtown, skiing in the southern burbs, and nearby wine country in the finger lakes.

It weather is great too if you like that kind of weather

Seems like a nce city. I might take a trip to Buffalo and Toronto later on. I dont mind the snow, at the current time I am in Fargo, North Dakota which had a windchill of -40 the other night. When you said its a city of bad and good, that is kind of like Omaha, Nebraska (metro: 850,000 people) tons of boarded-up buildings and very industrial. Omaha how ever has two teaching and hospitals, a chidrens hospital, tons of colleges and a reputation for having one of the safety nets for the poor in America.

Seems like a nce city. I might take a trip to Buffalo and Toronto later on. I dont mind the snow, at the current time I am in Fargo, North Dakota which had a windchill of -40 the other night. When you said its a city of bad and good, that is kind of like Omaha, Nebraska (metro: 850,000 people) tons of boarded-up buildings and very industrial. Omaha how ever has two teaching and hospitals, a chidrens hospital, tons of colleges and a reputation for having one of the safety nets for the poor in America.

I am quite sure Buffalo is a vastly more interesting a place than Omaha. It is a much bigger, older city and has a lot more diversity. If you visit summer is a lot better time to go!

Yes

There are tons of Erie, PA photos here (http://www.skyscraperpage.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=62721&highlight=Erie)

Erie looks like a very attractive city, with some nice blue-collar grit thrown in.

Buffalo-
Lots of grit, but great architecture and some incredible neighborhoods.
With a stagnant economy, there hasn't been alot of new construction in the last 30 years, thus, lots of older buildings with character. Significant historic districts including Allentown, Joseph Ellicott and Hamlin Park neighborhoods. Plus lots of potential on the waterfront. Just recently, things appear to be getting better with several new residential projects downtown- mostly renovations. Including just today:

http://www.buffalonews.com/editorial/20050110/1052129.asp

I've always thought that once the west dries out, there will be renewed growth in the Great Lakes states if they can hold on long enough! :cheers:

Does anyone have anypics of Erie? I haven't seen alot of ot!


I have reams of pics. I was born and grew up there until I was 10. I return frequently, since most of my family is there. Sadly, I really don't have the time to upload them. It would take me an hour just to find them on my HD.

IMO, Erie is a GREAT place to live if you meet a few criteria.

1. You can get a decent job. These aren't so easy to come by, now that the corporate fat cats running the govt have successfully gutted America's manufacturing based economy.

2. You don't mind snow in the winter. Erie is far from the worst, and if you live below the Ridge (south fo town by a few miles), you get even less snow. But still, this is the Snow Belt, and lake effect snows can make for some pretty lousy winter conditions.

3. You don't mind living in a smaller, slow growing city. Erie's nightlife/culture isn't active like a big city and it never will be.


I love the food and people in Erie, and I love the outdoor activities one can do in Pennsylvania. In fact, after living in both PA and Florida for over a decade each, I can soberly say that I prefer doing outdoor activities in PA than FL. Doing anything in FL involves getting bit, stung or attacked by something dangerous....Now that I think about it, I basically prefer the climate in PA too....Man, am I wierd or what?

No; it's hard to "underrate" the bottom of the barrel.

No; it's hard to "underrate" the bottom of the barrel.


You obviously know nothing about Buffalo. But then again Roxbury is pretty nice.

Well, Buffalo is sometimes underrated, even though I think it is an AMAZING city for one of its size, 280,000, and a metro of 1.2 million. It has an NHL and NFL team (Major League sports), improving nightlife (if there is any) in the Chippewa Bar District, a renowned theatre district and entertainment, and maybe Allentown and a couple of other areas (I'm not 100% sure of all of Buffalo's areas), a famous art gallery and many historic attractions, not to mention the falls only about 15 miles to the north (Niagara Falls), Six Flags Darien Lake, not only is there a lot to do in Buffalo and area, so much within about a 50-75 mile radius. I think we can thank Toronto and NYC for Buffalo underrated (not entirely, but partially). It is also one of the most historic cities I think anyone will ever see in the U.S. and probably has the best architecture in NY State outside of NYC.

Buffalo has a lot of "big city" stuff for a city of its size, if you think about it, too bad people overlook it maybe because of increased crimes today (although not too bad), a sour economy, the snow and coldness (is that really BAD at all), and the loss of jobs in the area, maybe because of high taxes in the State of New York, but there's probably more to it than that.

I don't know much about Erie, but I would say Erie is underrated as well although a lot more underrated than Buffalo, being as it is midway between Buffalo and Cleveland. Smaller, but its location is good.

You obviously know nothing about Buffalo. But then again Roxbury is pretty nice.

I know plenty, thanks. And, even if I didn't have personal experience, all I'd need to do would be to look at Census figures for the past thirty years to tell me the entire story.

BTW, thanks for the compliment on my neighborhood. It is a wonderful place, and only 3 miles from the center of a vibrant city - unlike Buffalo.

Cheers!! :cheers:

I know plenty, thanks. And, even if I didn't have personal experience, all I'd need to do would be to look at Census figures for the past thirty years to tell me the entire story.

BTW, thanks for the compliment on my neighborhood. It is a wonderful place, and only 3 miles from the center of a vibrant city - unlike Buffalo.

Cheers!! :cheers:


Buffalo has surely hit a rough spot but it is still a very very nice city. Most people do not know much about it nad have little appreciation for it. Then there are people who come along out of ignorance and or some kind of need to prove that they have made the right decision to live where they do and start bashing the place needlessly.

This is not a Boston V Buffalo thread you know. If you do have personal experience with Buffalo I would be willing to bet you grew up in the suburbs and have little knowledge of the city. I am not trying to insult you. I am just saying that there are extraordinary buildings and places in Buffalo that are very little known to most people, even to people in the Buffalo area. That would be the definition of underrated.

Take a look at the pictures I posted on this thread
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=141266

I do not want to put up a barrage of Buffalo Pics here but here are a few samples

http://img54.exs.cx/img54/3489/niragsq.jpg

http://img88.exs.cx/img88/5380/mansion39ky.jpg

http://img54.exs.cx/img54/5503/arlingtonpark1.jpg

If you think these pictures show what the bottom of the barrel looks like then so be it

steel:

There are incredible parts of every city - well, excluding maybe places like Phoenix and Las Vegas. So, what is your point? The point is that Buffalo is a dying city that is dying even more by the minute. I didn't pronounce it. I didn't live there and leave (but lots of other folks did). I didn't doctor the census data, etc., etc., etc.

I'm sure you do feel that I - somehow - feel better about my own situation by "bashing" Buffalo. But, really, none of the above is true. In fact, were it not for this silly thread, I would never think of Buffalo.

What your response is really more about is your insecurity with where you live, not mine. Otherwise, why would you take the time to post irrelevant pictures of the place (not impressing me) to prove your point?

Sorry you have to live there. Better you than me; please turn the lights off when you're the only one left.

steel:

There are incredible parts of every city - well, excluding maybe places like Phoenix and Las Vegas. So, what is your point? The point is that Buffalo is a dying city that is dying even more by the minute. I didn't pronounce it. I didn't live there and leave (but lots of other folks did). I didn't doctor the census data, etc., etc., etc.

I'm sure you do feel that I - somehow - feel better about my own situation by "bashing" Buffalo. But, really, none of the above is true. In fact, were it not for this silly thread, I would never think of Buffalo.

What your response is really more about is your insecurity with where you live, not mine. Otherwise, why would you take the time to post irrelevant pictures of the place (not impressing me) to prove your point?

Sorry you have to live there. Better you than me; please turn the lights off when you're the only one left.


You seem to have a lot of anger. I am not sure why. I have posted some images of what I think are some very interesting places in Buffalo. I could post many many more. I could get into a discussion about the fact that population growth in itself is not predeictor of the quality of a place as anurban environment or place to live (as you have pointed out in your own response). Howerver, I do not think that population statistics are what this thread is about.

It is funny that you say that you don't know anything about Buffalo and never think of Buffalo and yet you have such an angry negetive response to the place.

The reason I posted the pictures in this (silly thread) is that I thought that people would be interested in seeing a place that is rarely shown and has a lot of worth while stuff to show. I am not sure why it offends you so much. Also if the thread is silly why did you even respond to it?

And I do not live there. It is simply a place that I find very interesting.

You seem to have a lot of anger.

Really, you think so? How is my response angry and negative. Please educate me that I might learn (really don't bother).

And all of your stuff (which, BTW, you take far too personally for someone who has no vested interested in the place) was based on this one simple line:

No; it's hard to "underrate" the bottom of the barrel.

which, for all you know, could have been more about Erie.

Who has anger issues again? Actually, please don't bother answering so that I won't have to waste my time reading your reply.

Have a nice day :)

Really, you think so? How is my response angry and negative. Please educate me that I might learn (really don't bother).

And all of your stuff (which, BTW, you take far too personally for someone who has no vested interested in the place) was based on this one simple line:

No; it's hard to "underrate" the bottom of the barrel.

which, for all you know, could have been more about Erie.

Who has anger issues again? Actually, please don't bother answering so that I won't have to waste my time reading your reply.

Have a nice day :)

Sounds like anger to me

Buffalo is very weird. The downtown looks dead and the drive many people at least from Canada take through Buffalo is the route you need to take to get to Ralph Wilson Stadium. I went the other way though and man that side of Buffalo was nice. The downtown is dying and a certain looks bad, but Buffalo has it's very nice side to.

Buffalo...lets imagine Detroit with less poverty, Milwaukee closer to the east coast, Chicago with better food, Toledo without a funny name, Cleavland without the Indians...Buffalo is in a perfect spot, has history by the books and has strange aura that only Buffalo can have. You don't have to wanna live here, you don't have to love the Bills, but it's hard to knock a city like I did above without actually spending some time there to see what it's all about. Every city has it's advantages, Buffalo's certainly is the food and snow. Yea the city took a bit of a dive (lol) after the steel and auto industry left, it's not like we arent trying (with the likes of Detriot, Rochester, Cleveand and Pittsburgh) it just takes time to correct error and to switch or redeversify and economy of an entire metroplitan region.

for any of those forumer city fans out there that have pride in their city, come see what Buffalo has to offer sometime...cause there is alot.

I lived in Buffalo for 23 years, and then I moved away. Take it from a person who is the poster child for why Buffalo is dying...Buffalo is UNDERRATED.

Why did I leave Buffalo? Well, the first and most significant answer is that I could no longer stand the poor government leadership and resulting high taxes that seem to fund poor services and fat politicians. The second answer is that jobs are scarce. Every other reason I decided to move has more to do with opinion than anything else. I prefer a city heading for its peak over one that is heading for its demise. I prefer seeing new structures built rather than admiring historic ones and daydreaming about how awesome it must've been to be in a city during its peak. Of course, some people prefer an older, more historic city and don't mind so much if the city is currently declining or is at best stagnant. I'm just not one of them.

Furthermore, the residents of Buffalo don't appreciate Buffalo, and that irks me. There's only so much Buffalo bashing you can take from the locals before you just get sick of hearing about it. This self-abhorring attitude is why Buffalo is such a depressed region, and a big part of why I needed to move elsewhere.

Okay, so there it is. That's why I left. But now here's why I still think Buffalo is underrated. You will not find a metro Buffalo's size that can offer you:

SIX different nightlife scenes, including Chippewa, Allentown, Elmwood Strip, University Heights, Arena District (after games, concerts, or events), and Niagara Falls.

TWO professional sports teams, and we know how passionate Buffalonians are about their sports.

Some of the best food you're going to find, including some Buffalo exclusives and originals, like wings (check out the originals at Anchorbar), pizza (I recommend Bocce Club), mighty taco, beef on weck, loganberry, sponge candy.

Some INCREDIBLE urban architecture, including the Liberty Building, City Hall, County Hall, ECC Downtown, Ellicott Square, Rand, Guaranty, and so on.

Some INCREDIBLE residential architecture, as we've seen in numerous threads on this website...did you know Buffalo is home to the most Frank Lloyd Wright architecture outside of Chicago?

Cultural amenities you'd only find in cities twice as large as Buffalo, including one of the oldest zoos in the country, the science center, one of the most respected art galleries in the country, the historical society, kleinhans music hall, a whole theater district highlighted by Shea's, the Botanical Gardens, and so on.

Classic urban neighborhoods as have been discussed here many times. My favorite, and Buffalo's most thriving neighborhood, is of course Allentown, but there's no shortage of great neighborhoods in Buffalo. Unfortunately, there's also no shortage of decaying ones.


When most people think of Buffalo they think 'old, snowy blue collar city somewhere outside of NYC'. They don't think of all the great things I mentioned above, nor do they think of the true reasons so many people have left Buffalo over the past half century. That is why I consider Buffalo underrated...people really have no clue as to what's going on there, so they just assume it must suck. There's a lot more to the story though.

well said, Buffalo has one of the worst (second to Albany) Political gangs in the US...so fuckin sad.

Taxes...well they killed the remaining industry after the steel, auto and grain businesses left, and we let it happen. Until people realize they're cousins in NC are paying half if not more in taxes, these poor souls are gonna be fooled.

I see a turnaround in Buffalo, control board, budget crisis (layoffs of public workers) and some new projects always breaking ground...kick DOWN the taxes a ways and this area might come together 100% and grow fast.

Erie looks like a very attractive city, with some nice blue-collar grit thrown in.

Unfortunately, it's not an attractive city. It is very old, very run down, ultra-conservative, and what passes for new or modern day, is really 1964 everywhere else. Its a pit...

steel:

There are incredible parts of every city - well, excluding maybe places like Phoenix and Las Vegas. So, what is your point? The point is that Buffalo is a dying city that is dying even more by the minute. I didn't pronounce it. I didn't live there and leave (but lots of other folks did). I didn't doctor the census data, etc., etc., etc.

I'm sure you do feel that I - somehow - feel better about my own situation by "bashing" Buffalo. But, really, none of the above is true. In fact, were it not for this silly thread, I would never think of Buffalo.

What your response is really more about is your insecurity with where you live, not mine. Otherwise, why would you take the time to post irrelevant pictures of the place (not impressing me) to prove your point?

Sorry you have to live there. Better you than me; please turn the lights off when you're the only one left.

Roxbury, if you're not pronouncing the City of Buffalo dead, then you are certainly leaning to the side of proclaimingits dying existence. To do so with absolutely no experience in either visiting, or in living in this fine city whatsoever, (outside of glancing at Census figures), does not make you an authority on Buffalo. It merely makes you a person with an opinion--and nothing more. And an "unqualified" opinion at that.

Your quote at the end of your diatribe Roxbury, is a testament to the fact that you not only had nothing to add to this discussion, but in fact, by opening up your mouth; only served to aggravate and inflame a situation that prior to your so-called pronouncements, was very civil in its tone and tenor.

Your comments only serve as a distraction to the heart of what this thread is all about, sir, and they're salacious and un-flattering.

Unfortunately, it's not an attractive city. It is very old, very run down, ultra-conservative, and what passes for new or modern day, is really 1964 everywhere else. Its a pit...

You know nothing!

yea...Malo, lets take a break, you have yet to say anything constructive or intelligent about Buffalo, so why should any of us think you have any credibility on the subject?

If you wanna bash Buffalo, start a thread called "Buffalo Bashing Thread" and you and all your friends (from Toronto) can bash away, but don't get in our way while trying to clarify the subject at hand.

I bet one day of walking this beautiful place and one night on Chippewa or in Allentown you would think again about the words you speak.

Unfortunately, it's not an attractive city. It is very old, very run down, ultra-conservative, and what passes for new or modern day, is really 1964 everywhere else. Its a pit...

You know nothing!



Damn straight. "Ultra conservative"...lol... Yeah, a city filled with union workers and blacks is ultra conservative. Erie is nowhere near this bad. In fact, there are several parts of the city, burbs and outlying areas of the county that are quite nice.

What DOES suck about Erie is the snow, and the seemingly endless cloudcover during significant portions of the winter, especially towards the end. The lake giveth, and the lake taketh.

Buffalo has the same darn weather, and I can't stand it, but I'll admit the summers are gorgeous...while they last.

Lake Erie can be a bad girl when she wants, hell she's killed Buffalo several times in it's early history.

Yea Buffalo is one of the most liberal blue collar cities in the US, it's only conservitve because it looks it. When you have no money (not because you choose to save it wisely) but rather because you have overtaxed the entire metro...then things don't get built, well since 1964 that is. lol

Hey, Key Towers was built in the early 90s.

yea...Malo, lets take a break, you have yet to say anything constructive or intelligent about Buffalo, so why should any of us think you have any credibility on the subject?

If you wanna bash Buffalo, start a thread called "Buffalo Bashing Thread" and you and all your friends (from Toronto) can bash away, but don't get in our way while trying to clarify the subject at hand.

I bet one day of walking this beautiful place and one night on Chippewa or in Allentown you would think again about the words you speak.


Hey Buff City? I was sticking up for Buffalo in my response to Roxbury Ranger. Perhaps you should read what I said again, instead of lashing out at me.

My comments regarding "1964-ish" and "ultra-conservative," were in regards to Erie, PA, not Buffalo. And for the record--I'm not from, nor do I live near, Toronto.

Wake up..

Damn straight. "Ultra conservative"...lol... Yeah, a city filled with union workers and blacks is ultra conservative. Erie is nowhere near this bad. In fact, there are several parts of the city, burbs and outlying areas of the county that are quite nice.

Jasonhouse, now knowing that you're originally from Erie, I guess I would have to defer to your judgement and opinion on this city, as opposed to mine. I'll have to take your word on the stuff you said (though you never really did clarify why my opinion of this city was off-base). All I know of Erie, are of my frequent travels to it and staying for a few days at a time. I did this for about ten years.

The setting for the city is very beautiful, in fact, but what I was struck by was just how old everything seemed to be, and also by the attitude of the city's residents I ran into. They were overwhelmingly blue-collar, smokers, and heavy drinkers whose idea of a good time was to get "cocked" and drive very fast on their snowmobiles (not that there is anything wrong with that...lol). Politically, I found them to be very conservative, and the City Fathers to be anything but progressive in their thoughts or ideals for the re-vitalization of the city itself. The downtown section is virtually dead day or nite, ditto the entertainment scene, and there is very little that passes for "culture." Now if you want to talk about the town of Northeast, PA.--outside of Erie, then I would have to say that there is a town with its poop in a group! Absolutely gorgeous.

On your other comment regarding a city comprised of "mainly blue collar workers and blacks" not being ultra conservative? Could you enlighten me to as to what you believe would be other cities in this country that are prodominantly blue collar that aren't conservative/ultra-conservative? I guess I didn't understand the comment you made.

My comments on Erie were not meant to cause you or anoyone else to take offence. That's the great thing about these threads. Every once in a while, if your mind is open to it, you find that you actually become enlightened about something you thought you knew a great deal about.

...the center of a vibrant city...

I'll give you vibrant, but only if you also include soulless, conceited, and exceedingly self-important. No offense, but I hate Boston. I'm not calling you "one of them", but I especially dislike the people that compare it evenly to the likes of other "real" important/vibrant NE US cities such as NYC and Philly.

I realize this has little or nothing to do with Buffalo, but I know this type of mentality very well, thank you very much. I wonder why I can't wait to permanently exit New England.

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Back to the topic at hand, I'd have to say they're both underrated. Think of this - you never hear these two places' names (along with many other great cities) attached to anything good. Two decent cities of different sizes whose legacy is what made this country great, and will hopefully return it to greatness sooner rather than later.

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Really, you think so? How is my response angry and negative. Please educate me that I might learn (really don't bother).

And all of your stuff (which, BTW, you take far too personally for someone who has no vested interested in the place) was based on this one simple line:

No; it's hard to "underrate" the bottom of the barrel.

which, for all you know, could have been more about Erie.

Who has anger issues again? Actually, please don't bother answering so that I won't have to waste my time reading your reply.

Have a nice day :)


Odd......steel did the same thing to me when I said Buffalo is in decline.....AND IM FROM UPSTATE NEW YORK. (utica, nothing to brag about either)

Hey Buff City? I was sticking up for Buffalo in my response to Roxbury Ranger. Perhaps you should read what I said again, instead of lashing out at me.

My comments regarding "1964-ish" and "ultra-conservative," were in regards to Erie, PA, not Buffalo. And for the record--I'm not from, nor do I live near, Toronto.

Wake up..


BuffCity runs to the rescue of Buffalo every time. I love Buffalo, I live 2 hours away, but sadly its not what it used to be, and is in decline. We'll see where it is in 10-20 years. Ive never seen someone so fascinated with a city in my life, and its Buffalo.....its not New York, or Paris or London........Buffalo. Underrated Buffalo is I agree, but its in decline and has been, just like Detroit, Cleveland, and Pittsburgh. Theres a reason why its called the rust belt.

I love how everyone has the uncanny ability to fuck up what someone says.

Jasonhouse, now knowing that you're originally from Erie, I guess I would have to defer to your judgement and opinion on this city, as opposed to mine. I'll have to take your word on the stuff you said (though you never really did clarify why my opinion of this city was off-base). All I know of Erie, are of my frequent travels to it and staying for a few days at a time. I did this for about ten years.


I only discussed the part for your opinion that I felt was factually incorrect. Folks can and do form their own opinions based upon thier own perceptions, and that's cool with me (it better be, else why am I running a discussion forum?)... Just the thing about Erie being ultra-conservative. I had to address that. The voting history of the area will show that it's progressive on some issues, conservative on others, and thus generally moderate.:)

Malo and Spooky...you both spend more time defending the comments you make vs. actually bringing any new info or looking forward to the future of Buffalo, I'm not suprised that people in these threads are laughing at your dumb comments, but go ahead and keep defending them...it's okay

you tell us Buffalo had a decline, yea NO SHIT...it was in decline the day I was born, but the true argument is not if its still in decline, but rather how much has it turned around...and some people are still not understanding this.

I dont know much about Erie PA, so Im not gonna say or judge it, but I will ask if its' recovery is congruant to that of Pittsburgh?

and I will always defend Buffalo!

Odd......steel did the same thing to me when I said Buffalo is in decline.....AND IM FROM UPSTATE NEW YORK. (utica, nothing to brag about either)

Actually you are taking your own comments out of context just as you do every time someone calls you out on them. Buffalo is certainly in decline as is Rochester and anyplace in NY outside the NYC area. But you seem to take offence at any discussion of Buffalo and any notion that it has anything positive about it. You are a well known Buffalo basher on the forum and just like most basher trolls you add nothing intelligent to the conversation.

Buffcity has taken a great interest in the city and is sharing his discoveries with the world.

Intelligent discussion of Buffalo's problems are welcome. Ignorant bashing is not.

Actually you are taking your own comments out of context just as you do every time someone calls you out on them. Buffalo is certainly in decline as is Rochester and anyplace in NY outside the NYC area. But you seem to take offence at any discussion of Buffalo and any notion that it has anything positive about it. You are a well known Buffalo basher on the forum and just like most basher trolls you add nothing intelligent to the conversation.

Buffcity has taken a great interest in the city and is sharing his discoveries with the world.

Intelligent discussion of Buffalo's problems are welcome. Ignorant bashing is not.

Do you live here? Are you all saying my college professors are wrong? Rochester and Albany are the only 2 cities besides NYC who had a considerable growth percentage. My college professors are more credible than you from Chicago, who gets most of his information from the damned internet. Saying Buffalo is in decline, how is that 'Bashing?' Just because I brought up a cities decline doesnt mean im ignorant, nor bashing it, its the fucking truth, whether I like Buffalo or not. I spend my time cleaning up your messes from a single sentence I said that you misunderstood. Very quick to judge, very. Come to New York steel, youll find out alot you dont know.

Sanka Coffie 6: ahhahhahhhahhahahahahahaha
Sanka Coffie 6: buffalo is past declining
Sanka Coffie 6: its just cline now

The general consensus of most people would say, Buffalo is in decline, and it has nothing to do with the great architecture. Said nicely by my business professor at MVCC, one of the top community colleges in the country.

i only passed through erie when i was a kid but that day there happened to be a huge storm and the lake water was splashing into the streets and it looked as though the city was going to be washed away but from what i remembered...it look like a cool little town.

as for buffalo...it is a highly under-rated city and it has so much potential (as does nearby rochester) but the city's and state's incompotent politicians as well as apathy among its residents are the sole reason for its decline. it's a shame really. had the city been better off economically, i would have moved their instead of houston (NYC is just too damn expesnive to ever been an option) becuase i like buffalo's urbanity and vibe.

but there are no jobs...

Ive been through Erie a couple times, strictly through. I took the train to Detroit 2 summers ago, didnt see anything, and have driven through it on 90 a handful of times. I dont see much, I dont know how it is.

This forum is just great. When I ask people for a response, I get none. When I couldn't care less (as in this post), I get them - only THREE months late.

Hmmm...

I guess I'll have to keep checking back on my posts every couple of months or so.

Enjoy Upstate NY!

^ that's becuase you're in boston and most likely a red sox fan and most NY'ers are yankees fans. ;)

Roxbury... I don't understand why you are complaining, now that the forum is growing, and getting some regular members posting... Talk about a surefire way of ensuring that nobody posts about anything.

It seems to me that SSC has taken off lately, good to see.

I definatly think Erie is underratted. I used to go their almost every other day to Presque Isle (The Atlanic OCean of Lake Erie). Erie has everything that a really large city has + being able to drive out of city limits and have great nature (Allegheny forest only an hour away...my favrotie place on Earth) Oh and for whover was saying it before Erie is really not not all that conservative. Or at leaste the people their don't shove bibles down peoples throats.

I definatly think Erie is underratted. I used to go their almost every other day to Presque Isle (The Atlanic OCean of Lake Erie). Erie has everything that a really large city has + being able to drive out of city limits and have great nature (Allegheny forest only an hour away...my favrotie place on Earth) Oh and for whover was saying it before Erie is really not not all that conservative. Or at leaste the people their don't shove bibles down peoples throats.

I grew up a mere 10 miles east of the Allegheny National Forest! Glad to hear you enjoyed it. :)

Roxbury... I don't understand why you are complaining, now that the forum is growing, and getting some regular members posting... Talk about a surefire way of ensuring that nobody posts about anything.

I'm not really complaining; I think it's fine - though the number of Buffalo posts ... well I won't go there :) [Since I've already seen the results of that]

BTW: Not really interested in discussing Boston per se; I'd like to think I'm not that parochial.

Rox, It is not like you have to click on a thread you are not interested in. Here is a plan. Since you are not interested in Buffalo don't click on any thread with the word Buffalo in the title. Then you will have less chance of being offended by the subject of the thread. Probably should aviod Boston threads as well since you find them parochial.

Please stop posting nonsense, Roxbury Ranger.

it sounds to me that somebody is just a little jealous that there are not too many posts they wanna see...in all reality there is only one way to counter that, post some stuff on here.

Buffalo is liked by a few here on SSC, so let us enjoy posting and discussing the Queen city.

either way, the whole site is gaining popularity...and thats good for discussions on every city

Buffalo is one of the most interesting cities in the country IMO, whether that be for good reasons, bad reasons, or both. I enjoy seeing threads covering Buffalo's many issues.

I enjoy seeing and discussing all the various cities on here. I have seen images of places I might never get to and some places I now know that I need to get to. The stuff posted on Pittsburgh for instance is mind blowing.

Roxbury could do us a favor and post some images of the Roxbury section of Boston. That is a place that is never seen.

I just don't know why the information would be offensive to anyone.

Oh knock it off with the jabbing at Roxbury please... That's my job, thank you. :D

I never hear much on Erie...Is it more tied to Buffalo, Pittsburgh or Cleveland? I think its a nice small city in a great location, have not seen too much of the downtown Erie...anyone who can get us a thread that would be great.

I've noticed alot of people coming over from SSP....gee I wonder whats going on there? lol

I never hear much on Erie...Is it more tied to Buffalo, Pittsburgh or Cleveland? I think its a nice small city in a great location, have not seen too much of the downtown Erie...anyone who can get us a thread that would be great.

I've noticed alot of people coming over from SSP....gee I wonder whats going on there? lol

Erie to Buffalo: 98 miles
Erie to Cleveland: 102 miles
Erie to Pittsburgh: 128 miles

The driving time to these three cities is rather negligible.

Despite being closer to Buffalo and Cleveland... and being a Lake Erie city... Erie seems to have a much closer relationship to Pittsburgh... much of it probably do to the fact that it's in the same state. You'll still find strong Buffalo and Cleveland influences there, however.

The people coming here from the SSP board is probably due to the vibrant Buffalo discussions.

I always wondered if there was a major rail line that ran from Erie to Pittsburgh, and yes the Buffalo discussions are very very charming I must say...now we are seeing some Syracuse talk on here, there are tons of people who are into talking their city, the more the better.

Unfortunately, it's not an attractive city. It is very old, very run down, ultra-conservative, and what passes for new or modern day, is really 1964 everywhere else. Its a pit...

Well, the ferry to canada will liven up downtown soon. And also, since the arrival of starbucks downtown, it's been a little better. During the day i know it's not the greatest place to be, but at night there are theatre houses and a few restaurants here and there make up for it.The millcreek mall keeps getting bigger but there's a decent reversal of situation downtown.

Well, the ferry to canada will liven up downtown soon. And also, since the arrival of starbucks downtown, it's been a little better. During the day i know it's not the greatest place to be, but at night there are theatre houses and a few restaurants here and there make up for it.The millcreek mall keeps getting bigger but there's a decent reversal of situation downtown.

I would not hold my breath on that ferry thing. Rochester's ferry accross L Ontario bombed after less than a month and that one was between Toronto and Rochester , to large urban areas

I always wondered if there was a major rail line that ran from Erie to Pittsburgh, and yes the Buffalo discussions are very very charming I must say...now we are seeing some Syracuse talk on here, there are tons of people who are into talking their city, the more the better.

No, there is no passenger rail from Erie to Pittsburgh, unfortunately. I with there was... then it would also be possible to travel from Pittsburgh to Buffalo via rail.

Okay, the Rochester / Toronto Ferry went belly up due to bad money for the company that was running it...now that Rochester owns the boat....well look for it to be subsidized and become a very reliable and a common site.

Erie, a ferry to where? I dunno if I would suppose it would be so ill conceived...I mean damn, that would be great to have a Ferry operating on Lake Erie...Cleveland, Toledo, Detroit, Windsor, Buffalo and Erie...thats a bigger market than the Rochester/Toronto deal for sure.

Good to see even more good news in the region

There are many major cities on Lake Erie... I think trans-lake travel could be interesting.

not to mention you have Niagara Falls, Presque Isle, Cedar Point and the Casinos at Windsor and Niagara now...and I'm sure there is more.

There is also Crystal Beach, Ontario... a popular vacation destination for Buffalonians.

ah yes...good point.

Fort Erie also has a race track for the ponies...hmmmm

I never hear much on Erie...Is it more tied to Buffalo, Pittsburgh or Cleveland?

I work with a woman from Erie...die hard Bills fan...'nuff said.

There's a smattering of Bills fans througout northwestern PA... but the only areas that could possibly be claimed as Bills Country would be Warren, McKean and Potter counties... Erie is designated as Steelers market.

I know there a few Browns and Steelers fans in the Buffalo area as well. Because Erie is in PA, I would have to agree it must be considered Steelers country.

I would not hold my breath on that ferry thing.

we'll see i guess. but there's loads of canadians coming for the day to shop though, as stupid as it sounds, i've seen coaches full getting off at Value city, so it is in a way a popular destination (well take popular with a pinch of salt!).
The best thing is definetly the presque ile, with its superbe sand beaches, and supposedly one of the best sunset in North america.
Waldemeer should also think about expanding their facilities.

Waldemeer is adding a new roller coaster this year.

You know, I've read the posts here about Buffalo and Erie and I think that those of you who believe this region is pathetic, need to take another look at it.

Yeah, the population isn't sky high like in NYC or Boston, but you know what, who cares? Erie is an excellent small city. Erie's got everything a big city has except on a smaller scale.

Erie's located within 2 hours from Pittsburgh, Cleveland and Buffalo...and Interstates 79 and 90 run right through Erie county giving residents a lot of highway options. Heck, 79 ends (or begins if you go south) in Erie! And 79 connects to Interstate 80 about 45 minutes south of Erie.

As for nightlife....Erie's State Street (typical Main Street, USA) has loads of bars and restaurants. Plus, the Millcreek Mall has plenty of restaurants. Again, there's probably not as many to choose from in Erie as in a much larger city, but it's all on a scale.

Aside from that, Erie's got a heck of a lot of outdoor activities. It's got Presque Isle State Park with tons of beaches, hiking trails, bike trails, boating, water skiing, kite flying, etc. In fact, many travel magazines have ranked Erie's sunset on Sunset Point as the best sunset in America. Oh and there are a lot of fishing holes, creeks and of course miles of lakeshore to fish.

Plus, in the winter, you have plenty of options for skiing with Peak-n-Peak not being too far and other skiing locations nearby. You can ice fish when the bay freezes over.

There are many festivals and events that happen in Erie during the spring, summer and fall. And many more happen in the winter.

Erie's got plenty of vineyards as it is one of the best places to grow grapes.

Erie has the AA hockey team the Otters who play in the Ontario Hockey League (OHL). And the Erie SeaWolves, affiliates of the Detroit Tigers. And new this year, Erie has an indoor football league, the Erie Freeze.

And the region has so much history, too. You can travel to Oil City, Pa., and find Drake Well, the first oil drill in America. Or travel to Jamestown, NY, to see Lucille Ball's museum.

Erie winters can be brutal, but a few years ago it barely snowed in Erie. Then last winter it was one of the worst on record.

This summer has been one of the hottest ever in Erie, and also very little rain which is good for outdoor activities.

Erie is home to some very well-respected colleges as well, with Gannon University, Mercyhust College and Penn State Erie The Behrend College. Plus, Edinboro University of Pa. and Allegheny College are not too far from downtown Erie.

So yeah, Erie may not have a rush hour or a need for 8-lane highways or underground highways...and it may not have huge buildings....but it's got everything that any other city has. Even corrupt politicians!

if people don't understand the Rustbelt, they won't understand Erie.

I think its a great smaller city, it's location is great btw.