Looks huge.....:eek:

This tower would be amazing. It's so elegant :cheers2
:

Nice!!!

3 June 2006

Both towers are progressing ahead of the podium.

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/1971/sail03067tp.jpg

:banana:

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/1971/sail03067tp.jpg

This is taken from 1 Shenton Way, right ?
How long before they close down the building ?
That's actually a much nicer photo spot than One Marina Boulevard ;-)

It is indeed!

Yes its from 1 Shenton Way, and the building doesnt look like its closing down yet. The top floor is under renovation it seems.

I dun think there is a similar 99-year city reseidential project to compare to in Singapore... The nearest is probably Icon.

Construction Cost = S$90,100,000
Land Cost = S$125,280,000
Site Area = 6,566.6 sqm
Plot Ratio = 8.4
Max GFA = 55,159.44 sqm (approx 593,665sqf)
Saleable GFA = 474,932 sqf (assuming the Saleable GFA is 80% of Max GFA)

Therefore, equivalent to S$454 psf for just land and construction cost (over saleable GFA, similar for The calculations above) for Icon.

Hmmm... if the figures are correct and assuming both The Sail@Marina and Icon is fully sold, the profit of The Sail@Marina is much, much higher than that of Icon given the average cost of The Sail@Marina units is S$1,000psf while Icon is S$650psf.

Still, not fair to compare the 2... The Sail@Marina is unique. :)

very interesting thread. sorry to come back on tht but... i never noticed in Singapore cost of land in higher than construction costs!!!

hyacinthus, I do not have the figures but FarEast may have bought Icon at a considerably lower price then what Uncle Kwek paid for the site of TheSail.

Secondly, cost of construction may be higher for TheSail since it is much taller then Icon and that it is been built on reclaimed land.

Thirdly, Icon was launch in May 2003 amidst the SARS scare while TheSail's Tower 1 premiered one and a half years later, in Oct/Nov 2004. I remember FarEast also threw in lifestyle vouchers of up to $20,000 to entice buyers! The last units @ Icon is now selling for $1300psf.

TheSail also uses better quality furnishing and appliances compared to Icon. Miele anyone?

But I agree that CDL must have made a much much bigger profit then FarEast.

Nice pic there RafflesCity. Now I know why they call 1 Shenton Way Tower 3. Hehe…

Let’s see if I can post some pics I took at TheSail’s showflat in Dec 04…

The costruction costs are only a mere S$90.1m ???
That's awfully cheap...Now im beginning to suspect that it's facade may not be as great as it seems. Perhaps more concrety than the cool clear glass we imagined. I wont be expecting anything great from the podium and landscaping too...

It's weird that a mere S$90.1m project is flanking the prime spot of our new downtown.

The costruction costs are only a mere S$90.1m ???
That's awfully cheap...Now im beginning to suspect that it's facade may not be as great as it seems. Perhaps more concrety than the cool clear glass we imagined. I wont be expecting anything great from the podium and landscaping too...

It's weird that a mere S$90.1m project is flanking the prime spot of our new downtown.

I don't think S$90m is cheap for a condo project, but I might be wrong ^ ^
Anyway if you think S$90m is cheap, can you give me S$9m please ? ^ ^
;-)

i completely agree that 90 million is cheap becuase UOB plaza alone cost more then 280million (with land parcel ?!?!!).....thats for a 66 storey, 280meters building with a besement on partial recliamed land and a atrium on the bottom....

90million adding in the 120million for the land cost that is about 210million

UOB =280million
OUB =300million
Republic =280million
SGX =280million
Capital tower =260million

so compared to 210 million for two towers, there is a large difference LOL either the contractor is going to cheat CDL or CDL is cheating the contractor :p

Tower 1 living room of 3 bedroom unit. Photo taken in Dec 04.

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8633/cimg0214a1uv.jpg

Dining room

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/6793/cimg0215a4ad.jpg


Study area

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/1546/cimg0216a3vp.jpg


Bedroom

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/2860/cimg0217a4dh.jpg


Master bath

http://img371.imageshack.us/img371/7585/cimg0218a7id.jpg

it looks nice and simple, but what would make those rooms is the view from a higher floor of the bay, say from at least 20 / 30 floors up - just imagine that!

1.7 million or something for a 3 bedroom flat ... sigh ... i'll have to play the lottery back home! ... there's somebody selling an entire floor for 9 million sing ....


wonder how much it'll be to rent :D

The costruction costs are only a mere S$90.1m ???
That's awfully cheap...Now im beginning to suspect that it's facade may not be as great as it seems. Perhaps more concrety than the cool clear glass we imagined. I wont be expecting anything great from the podium and landscaping too...

It's weird that a mere S$90.1m project is flanking the prime spot of our new downtown.


fyip, the post which zimoune quoted was for Icon.

please refer to the first 2 pages of this thread.

Also, the figures obtained are from news articles or other online sources.

Pengui, Thank you for the translation :)

Interesting...

Construction Cost = S$300,000,000
Land Cost = S$288,900,000
Site Area = 9,090.9 sqm
Plot Ratio = 13
Max GFA = 118,182 sqm (approx 1,271,959sqf )
Saleable GFA = 1,017,567sqf (assuming the Saleable GFA is 80% of Max GFA)

Therefore, equivalent to S$579 psf for just land and construction cost!

did i calculate/assume wrongly? :?

Oh yes! Such a silly mix up...so that S$90m figure was referring to The Icon. S$300m for The Sail sounds much better.

seems like i have messed up the figures! sorry for that, just surprised the figures

it looks nice and simple, but what would make those rooms is the view from a higher floor of the bay, say from at least 20 / 30 floors up - just imagine that!

1.7 million or something for a 3 bedroom flat ... sigh ... i'll have to play the lottery back home! ... there's somebody selling an entire floor for 9 million sing ....


wonder how much it'll be to rent :D

The 3-bedders in Tower 1 with bay view will see Ritz-Carlton, Suntec & Singapore Flyer. Those on even higher floors will see past them. Will post a couple of pics of the bay view tomorrow but they were taken at ground level.

If ThePier's 2-bedders can fetch up to $6,000/mth rental now, I don't see why the Tower1 3-bedders with bay view can't achieve $7,000 and beyond when TOP, especially when MarinaBay Sands will be ready by then!

To me, these are astronomical figures… :eek2:

Some more pics from Tower1 showflat…

Toilet bowl…
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2990/cimg0220a6nx.jpg


Kitchen by Miele, induction technology means no claypot rice…
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2959/cimg0213a1hh.jpg


As you can see, the showflat for Tower1 was quite deserted, giving me a chance to steal a few shots. The launch of Tower2, however, was like mass orgy, which then set the stage for runaway property prices…

TheSail, like the MarinaIR, will become an icon and dominate the skyline for many many years to come…

Thanks for sharing the pics.

frankly, the interior didn't impress me as much as its location and views. I think many will do extensive renovation after its TOP. :D

Thanks for sharing the pics.

frankly, the interior didn't impress me as much as its location and views. I think many will do extensive renovation after its TOP. :D

My pleasure! :)

Frankly, like Clift, I didn’t like the open kitchenette that came standard with all studios and 2-bedders. Imagine the odor, fumes and grease all over your cosy little place after each meal!

That explains why I didn’t buy them… hehehe…

As for extensive renovations, I don’t see how the place can be renovated further… everything seems pretty much fixed.

The toilet fittings in the Sail look aesthetically pleasing :cool:

the unobstructed bay view that’s worth a million… taken at ground level…
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/7585/cimg0209a6hy.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/6122/cimg0210a9fk.jpg

can’t wait to see the actual view at 50 storey high! :)

I have a similar view ;)

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/2130/dsc75975ud.jpg

Wow!! Now, that's what I call a million dollar view!

Can't wait for TOP. Hopefully can TOP by end of 2008 so can take the year-end fireworks!

the view is really spectacular by day and night!

Anyone know any agents specialising in transactions for the Sail, ie. if one is interested in buying and selling?

If St Regis is selling at $3000 psf and other premium projects are selling at $2000++ psf, shouldn't the Sail units be selling for close to $2000 psf too? Well, at least for the Bay view + high floors - anything under $2000 psf seems pretty undervalued to me.

What are your thoughts?

I am not a property agent but a normal salaried worker.

Let's see...

Those premium projects like St Regis (999LH) and The Boulevard Residence are freehold or on longer lease and are in areas where, traditionally, projects are exclusive, high-end and demand is strong. As one of the forumers pointed out, $3,000psf for one of the units at St Regis is due to deferred payment. Also, to note these projects do not have small apartments (like the Sail@Marina Bay) and target their units to a much affluent sector of the market.

There isn't any precedent i.e. close to / above $2,000psf set yet, in the CBD area, as far as I am aware of. Well, it might improve with new residential developments like One Shenton Way and the IR is coming up. Though, it's quite unlikely given that they are 99-year projects, the economy is growing at single digit yearly, interest rates are rising, the asian stock markets aren't looking good recently and the targeted group is the "poor" high-salaried workers working in CBD.

The highest for the Sail@Marina Bay so far, based on lodged caveats in the last 12 months, is $1,600psf. However, most transactions are averaging around $1,200psf.

Thus, I feel it'll take some time (probably, when the IR is completed and successful), if ever, for selling prices at the Sail@Marina Bay to rise close to $2,000psf. Even if it does in the short term, it will be an exception or for much bigger units on higher floors.

I think that it's just a matter of how it was priced. If the Sail were sold for $2000psf people would have bought it for that price, and secondary units would be trading for >$2000psf now. But since it was sold for $1200psf(?), it's only selling for $1500psf now.

Video link:

http://www.thesail.com.sg/video.html

aiyah ... the cheaper the better for us *employee* mah .... huahaha ^^

When (if) the BFC contains residentials, will it affect the value of the sail?

^ In what ways?

Price is usually higher after TOP for most private developments.

28/06/06

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h204/hyapic01/DSCN3550.jpg

It sure looks quite broad

Where was that taken from?

Marina Square Foodcourt. :)

I hope the inhabitants above the 40th storey will get used to having headaches caused by de-compression in the lifts. :scouserd:

Cliff : Teach u something la ... the best time to buy is 3-6 months before TOP. Thats when those caught in situation without sufficient funds would scramble ... prices will dip like 5-10% during that period ... once these idiots are flushed out of the market ... those who can afford to hold ... will sell only at higher prices ...

Which is why some agents like to spread the "TOP coming soon!" to scare some of the owners/punters into panick mode ... in some cases, the wolfing crying starts as early as 6-9 months before actual TOP ...

*Lang Lai Le !!! TOP Lai Le !!!

Cliff : Teach u something la ... the best time to buy is 3-6 months before TOP. Thats when those caught in situation without sufficient funds would scramble ... prices will dip like 5-10% during that period ... once these idiots are flushed out of the market ... those who can afford to hold ... will sell only at higher prices ...

Which is why some agents like to spread the "TOP coming soon!" to scare some of the owners/punters into panick mode ... in some cases, the wolfing crying starts as early as 6-9 months before actual TOP ...

*Lang Lai Le !!! TOP Lai Le !!!

I agree. But if you like a particular unit or floor, you might not have a choice!

Alek11 : Teach you something la... when buying any unit ... always evaluate and conclude at least a handful of units which "qualify" ... these are the units you dont mind buying ...

Avoid agents trying to convince you that THAT one unit is superb ... thats probably becoz he has lobang for that unit ... also ... the attitude towards near TOP buying requires homework (study price trends way before), intention (must have real funds available - sometimes when the offer and cheque sits in front of the owner ... he wont be able to resist it) and the ability to walk away when things dont work your way ... always make things go YOUR WAY ... else walk off ...

Alek11 : Teach you something la... when buying any unit ... always evaluate and conclude at least a handful of units which "qualify" ... these are the units you dont mind buying ...

Avoid agents trying to convince you that THAT one unit is superb ... thats probably becoz he has lobang for that unit ... also ... the attitude towards near TOP buying requires homework (study price trends way before), intention (must have real funds available - sometimes when the offer and cheque sits in front of the owner ... he wont be able to resist it) and the ability to walk away when things dont work your way ... always make things go YOUR WAY ... else walk off ...

Thanks for the enlightenment. I'm trying to avoid buying anything prior to TOP. Like I said, the good units might have been taken.

Maybe someone should take the updates from one fixed location,so that can make an animation of it..

30 Jun 2006

http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h204/hyapic01/DSC_2036.jpg

Maybe someone should take the updates from one fixed location,so that can make an animation of it..

From another side of the bay would be a nice spot... It will grow quite tall so must think of the space it will take when it's completed, when framing the pic ;-)

Anyway, here's an update from a bit closer:

Tower 1:
http://ssc.singapenguin.net/06/060630_sail02.jpg

Tower 2:
http://ssc.singapenguin.net/06/060630_sail03.jpg

Sorry for the faded colours, the light was too angled already at the time I took the pics.

Whole site views:
http://ssc.singapenguin.net/06/pano_060630_sail01s.jpg
Future BFC site on the left.

http://ssc.singapenguin.net/06/pano_060630_sail02s.jpg
View from One Raffle Quay's backdoor... A bit of podium is rising on the right.

BRILLIANT pics Pengui :eek:

Very well taken....the pics really show the scale of the buildings...theyre going to be like giant, voluptuous sculptures.

Imagine the future Marina Boulevard...

Pengui is superb !

I hope I can contribute pictures next time I am back to SG ... next time being ... Aug 06 ... haha ...

Per the URA, the Clifford Pier rebuilding will allow new building structure to be AMSL of 23m or up to 4 storey.
Does it mean now those at level 2 up to 4 at Sail Tower 1 which initially have a straight bay view will now be blocked by Clifford Pier new buildings....meaning no bay view anymore ! ( assuming the central promontary will build up to 8 storey right of tower 1 ).

How to post picture on this forum ?
Doesn't seem to have a buttton say "attach" and allow selecting a jpg file.
Sorry i'm new, but would like to contribute.

I think the first few stories are supposed to be parking lots anyways, no? So the view won't be blocked.

How to post picture on this forum ?
Doesn't seem to have a buttton say "attach" and allow selecting a jpg file.
Sorry i'm new, but would like to contribute.

Upload your pic on a site such as imageshack.us, tinypics.com or get an account on photobucket, then you can link your pics here :-)

I estimate the floorplates are at level 3 now, and the steel rods about as high as the 4th or 5th level.

Here is a model showing it with the skyline.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/rotpics03/modelpic.jpg

I realised that the plot of land where MND building is, is huge. Probably, it should be redeveloped into some sort of an integrated use complex and maximise the GFA given it's in a prime area. probably, residential/office/hotel/retail mix.

here's an update
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/9475/sail0wb.jpg

what's the construction site at the top right corner?

I'm am guessing construction for the Common Services Tunnel. They said it has started Phase 2 right.

I'm am guessing construction for the Common Services Tunnel. They said it has started Phase 2 right.


ohh..ok,seems like the contruction of IR has not started yet..

8 July 2006

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/RCSSC/sail0807.jpg

What's the barge doing???

Dunno...I've seen dredging equipment in the bay, and lately, volume of construction traffic on the main city streets near the bay has increased.

Pictures taken on 29/07/06, reached 5th floor .

http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/9184/img0419ec1.th.jpg (http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img0419ec1.jpg)

hmmm I think it is growing fairly fast...it sure looks really wide from the front too

5 August 2006

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/RCSSC/sail0508.jpg

Seems like it's has gain 2-3 levels......:yes:

According to industry, SAIL is expected to complete a level every week.
City Lights is achieving that target too.
Looks like Dragges, the French main contractor is doing an excellent job

According to industry, SAIL is expected to complete a level every week.
City Lights is achieving that target too.
Looks like Dragges, the French main contractor is doing an excellent job

Hmm....20 more weeks to 31 Dec 2006.....thats means by year end, we'll see it rise anther 20 levels?? :eek:

Hmm....20 more weeks to 31 Dec 2006.....thats means by year end, we'll see it rise anther 20 levels?? :eek:

Meaning by end 2007 we should see the full height being achieved. Add a year after that for detailed works and the Sail's really on target to meet its 2009 completion date. Early 2009?

One floor a week also means that construction for the IRs will be on target to open in 2009 too if everything starts construction at the same rate. Always wondered how people could get 3 50 storey towers up in 2 years. Now I know its possible.

I remember City Lights 1 tower block, near the road one, started its first sturcture in Oct'05, now its at 40 stories, and now is August.
So its like 12 weeks (2005) and another 32 weeks (2006), so total 48 weeks to raise up 40 stories, not very sure how long they will finish off the interior.

just a thought, how did Empire State Building reach 80 stories in a year?

^^ with sheer determination.................................


uh never mind...

Putting up the concrete seems fast...its the excavation and foundation works that take a long time.

For the Sail the wait was about 1 year before it starting growing out of the ground

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/4317/sailupdatebr1.jpg

Looks so blocky...

hmm jus wonder if this is a gd project ?

1ST SEPT 2006

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/1540/img6297uh5.jpg


http://img525.imageshack.us/img525/7646/img6310qq5.jpg

wow it is definitely rising steadily and progressively :yes:

wow it is definitely rising steadily and progressively :yes:

Yes....in fact it look rather imposing when u see it beside One Raffles Quay....:yes:

HURRRAY great news!

I visited my cousin who is working at ORQ South Tower
And from there, i coud see that the sail had started cladding its facade. It just a small part though... I doubt you guys can see it from street level unless you go up ORQ South Tower.

We have all been anxiously curious about the eventual appearance of it's facade, afraid of yet another sickening replica of the of ORQ's and OMB's dark green class.

Well worry no more! The cladding is cool transparent glass! The glass is highly transparent, unlike ORQ and OMB's reflective dark green glass. And it also carries a slight tint of sleek greyish blue, just like what the yummy renderings had promised. I think the sail will be Singapore's 1st true transparent glass skyscraper. :cheers1:

HURRRAY great news!

I visited my cousin who is working at ORQ South Tower
And from there, i coud see that the sail had started cladding its facade. It just a small part though... I doubt you guys can see it from street level unless you go up ORQ South Tower.

We have all been anxiously curious about the eventual appearance of it's facade, afraid of yet another sickening replica of the of ORQ's and OMB's dark green class.

Well worry no more! The cladding is cool transparent glass! The glass is highly transparent, unlike ORQ and OMB's reflective dark green glass. And it also carries a slight tint of sleek greyish blue, just like what the yummy renderings had promised. I think the sail will be Singapore's 1st true transparent glass skyscraper. :cheers1:

Wow....:eek:

Did u take pictures?? :?

Im still at ORQ now, but sadly...no camera.

I will try to take some pics some other time. But i dont think it will be very clear, cos the sail is quite far from where i am in ORQ. and the cladded portion is very small, in a secluded corner, think its the back portion of the shorter tower (somewhere near 4th floor).

Im still at ORQ now, but sadly...no camera.

I will try to take some pics some other time. But i dont think it will be very clear, cos the sail is quite far from where i am in ORQ. and the cladded portion is very small, in a secluded corner, think its the back portion of the shorter tower (somewhere near 4th floor).

Wah....how i wish I can join u now.....then snap all i want....:lol:

Wow!!!! so many cranes there, I am sure it will rise fast.

8 SEPT 2006

another angle, more view onto the shorter tower
taller tower - 8stories
shorter tower - 9stories

http://img506.imageshack.us/img506/5535/sailupdategn3.jpg

^^

The shorter tower looks really slim


We have all been anxiously curious about the eventual appearance of it's facade, afraid of yet another sickening replica of the of ORQ's and OMB's dark green class.

Well worry no more! The cladding is cool transparent glass! The glass is highly transparent, unlike ORQ and OMB's reflective dark green glass. And it also carries a slight tint of sleek greyish blue, just like what the yummy renderings had promised. I think the sail will be Singapore's 1st true transparent glass skyscraper. :cheers1:

That sounds really exciting :)

transparent? Wouldnt the house be hot if the sun shines directly into the house?

any photo updates of The Sail? :)

23 September 2006

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/RafflesCity/sail2309.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/RCSSC/sail2309a.jpg

Reminds me of Citylights. :cool:

the sail at night. looks like a very solid concrete structure.

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/3539/crw5142bn7.jpg

dazzling!

They seem to have already installed lights in the offices at ORQ. Very nice.

the forming of arc can already been seen...

Update on world forums. :D

the forming of arc can already been seen...

yes, and its also going to look really slim from this angle :yes:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/rotpics03/republicpl.jpg

^^Cool shot!!!, thanks, Rafflescity

WOW! Great photo!!!

Thanks :)

hmm... from the plans, the floorplates should extend away from the bent columns at the higher levels.

the sail at night. looks like a very solid concrete structure.

http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/3539/crw5142bn7.jpg

btw, amazing picture! Very nice, reminds me of New York or something...

*edit* if you notice, SGX 1 & 2, ORQ N & S, All by KPF.:)

08 Oct 06

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/5357/dsc0266slp0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

^^^rising with full speed, thanks, Encon

8 October 2006

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/RafflesCity/sail0810a.jpg

Closer look

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/RafflesCity/sail0810.jpg

How come BFC site has a lake inside?

The blue thing? Thats not a lake but some huge sheets....there is a drain cutting across the site though.

LOL i see.

How come BFC site has a lake inside?


please excuse me, i'm a little insensitive here, but...


:rofl:

....

Haha, this feels so msn-ish lol:D

okla, sorry, hehe.

Great updates, thanks. Although since my last visit in summer of last year, there doesn't seem to be as much progress as I'd have thought.

Hmm unless it was foundation work that I was looking at when I went...

:P

yah last summer the foundation works were still ongoing....the structure actually started rising out of the ground in Jan/Feb this year.

Ah, ok then - that makes sense. I suppose from now on the construction rate will speed up. It'll totally transform the Marina area too, it's gonna be awesome!

Yup, construction is moving full steam ahead! Last I saw, it was 10 storeys tall...

assuming that construction going rate is 1 floor per week, to reach 70 stories, it will take another year or so. it will probably be at least Q3 2007 before the entire building is up. then of course the externals and interiors will be done. some of that probably are done in parallel. my guess is that the full splendor of sail@marina will shape up by end 2007 and the entire sykline of the down-town raffles/shenton/marina area will change dramatically.

concurrently with the other developments like the new financial district in marina, gardens by the bay, singapore flyer, the sands casino, the marina barrage, etc. this entire place will be very much different. with the hype that this is generating (e.g. PM Lee national day rally), i'm pretty sure it will be a much tout about place in s'pore and even the region.

the artist impression of the entire place is slowly taking place right in-front of our eyes. it will certainly be a jaw dropping view by then.

Just went there this evening, it was 14 stories!!

^ Wow....thats fast......:yes:

Just went there this evening, it was 14 stories!!

that's already higher than my hdb block, does HDB blocks rise as fast?:runaway:

Looking @ Pinnacle@Duxton project, the average progession is roughly 1 storey per week too. The tallest of the 7 blocks is now 15-16 storey too.

that's already higher than my hdb block, does HDB blocks rise as fast?:runaway:

Looking @ Pinnacle@Duxton project, the average progession is roughly 1 storey per week too. The tallest of the 7 blocks is now 15-16 storey too.

that's wow man..

While looking at the plans of the Sail yesterday, i made a shocking discovery, the units from the 3rd to the 8th floor on the back side of Marina Bay Tower have no views at all. These units face a landscaped wall which is about 10m - 15m away.

I really pity the people who bought those units (about 19 of them get full walled views), imagine opening your window to a carpark wall every morning.:(

Oh my!!! That's horrible!!! :rant:

So desperate for extra units?
I was disappointed with the design of the podium.

going through the floor plans again last night, i also noticed that there'll be basement retail space... i wonder if there'll be any underground link from ORQ to TheSail, afterall, its only a few paces apart

redstone> that's how they managed to squeeze 1,111 units into 2 towers...

going through the floor plans again last night, i also noticed that there'll be basement retail space... i wonder if there'll be any underground link from ORQ to TheSail, afterall, its only a few paces apart

I think so....when I was walking in the underground link from Raffles Place MRT to ORQ, I noted the underground link continued past the ORQ outlet but it was closed off, suggesting that the underground link could be seamlessly extended to serve the future developments like Sail and MBFC.

Wow, you're very observant RC... I was there (underground link) yesterday and few other times previously but didn't notice the closed off section that run pass ORQ... Great! So we'll have underground access from Raffles MRT all the way to TheSail & MBFC afterall.

I also noticed, from the floor plans, that there's an escalator from the ground floor to the second floor, which is where the carpark is... I wonder if there's a bridge connecting TheSail to ORQ...

I think I saw that bridge in some of the renderings that connected The Sail to ORQ.

Come rain or shine, pedestrians will be able to walk in air-con comfort from MRT to the new downtown...underground walkways are a planned feature of the new city.

I think MBFC will also be connected to future Landmark MRT station :)

TheSail, MBFC... its gonna be a great place to live, work and play in, with or without carpark wall views haha...

of course, that would be THE place to live in! But I'd rather stay at international plaza than face a wall lol

Some lower units of Citylights are very bad as well. :lol:

Oct 24th:

1.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e126/ylstan02/Oct%2024th/DSC_0066.jpg

2.
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e126/ylstan02/Oct%2024th/DSC_0063.jpg

Lookin good..

Still don't understand, they could had built the towers above podium instead of beside, causing interior-facing units. Sounds like the infamous Kowloon Walled City slums. Lol.

Still don't understand, they could had built the towers above podium instead of beside, causing interior-facing units. Sounds like the infamous Kowloon Walled City slums. Lol.

Simple. they would loose 19 units in the Marina Bay Tower, and 6 units in the Central Park Tower, which would be worth more than $10 million in total. no?

Take Cosmopolitan for example.

Or they could build it on top of the podium, and turn the space into retail/ f&b space for rent.

TheSail is very unique but too much retail/f&b space will spoil it...

Having said that, I'll not buy those wall-facing units... difficult to sell them later...

the wall facing units could simply be sold to people who dont care about the views, just the convenience. the price would be correspondingly lower.

TheSail is very unique but too much retail/f&b space will spoil it...

Having said that, I'll not buy those wall-facing units... difficult to sell them later...

oh, did you buy units there?? Which floor?:D

none lor... cannot afford... :tongue4:

ST : More investors make a killing from selling units at The Sail

More investors make a killing from selling units at The Sail
Sellers are netting average profit of $300,000 within a couple of years

By Property Correspondent, Joyce Teo

PROPERTY investors are making a killing on apartments at The Sail @ Marina Bay as interest in waterfront living continues to build in Singapore.

In all, 52 units of the 99-year leasehold development were sold in the sub-sale market in the third quarter, property consultancy Savills Singapore found in a check of caveats lodged.

The lucky sellers who had picked up their units just one or two years ago netted an average of $300,000 in profit.

The number of sub-sales for The Sail in the third quarter is a significant rise from the seven deals in each of the first and second quarters.

Sub-sales are transactions in which homes bought directly from the developers are resold before the development has been completed.

They are seen as a proxy for property speculation as the units are 'flipped' for a quick profit without the original buyers ever occupying the homes. So far this year, about 490 sub-sales have been transacted islandwide, Savills found.

At The Sail, the highest price for a sub-sale unit this year was $1,640 per sq ft (psf) for a 2,185 sq ft unit sold in August. This was on a high floor in the 70-storey first tower that was launched in November 2004 at around $900 psf to $950 psf.

Earlier this month, a 936 sq ft unit in the first tower was flipped for $1,548 psf.

The Sail is a joint venture development by City Developments (CDL) and AIG Global Real Estate Investment.

Its second tower was launched just last October at $1,080 psf and units have also been flipped for quick profits.

Larger units at The Sail were sold at an average of $1,285 psf in sub-sales this year, Savills found.

Market watchers said the interest in The Sail is due to a limited supply of inner-city waterfront living and its proximity to the upcoming integrated resort (IR) and Marina Bay Financial Centre.

Besides the Marina Bay homes, investors are springing for other waterfront properties such as those on Sentosa Cove.

At the 264-unit, 99-year leasehold The Oceanfront @ Sentosa Cove, 15 units have already changed hands since the development was launched in early July.

A 3,025 sq ft seafront unit was sold in the sub-sale market last month at $1,750 psf, much higher than the average of $1,300 psf to $1,350 psf CDL launched the condo at.

Two other Sentosa Cove condos launched earlier - The Berth by The Cove and The Azure - saw less sub-sale activity.

But many owners have advertised to sell, with one asking for $1,250 psf for a 3,100 sq ft penthouse in The Berth, compared with the condo's launch price of less than $800 psf.

The Berth obtained its temporary occupation permit last week, which means owners have to start paying for their apartments. The speculators are cashing out, a market watcher said.

At another Sentosa Cove development, The Coast, a buyer has put his 2,024 sq ft unit up for sale for $3.85 million, or $1,902 psf. This is even as developer Ho Bee is still marketing the development. It has already sold around 190 of the 249 units at between $1,300 psf and over $1,800 psf.

While stories of quick profits may reek of the bad old property speculation of the past, market watchers are not yet worried about the increase in sub-sales.

Sub-sales today are not rampant and far from alarming, said Savills Singapore director of marketing and business development Ku Swee Yong.

'It's all a matter of timing,' said a market watcher. 'When The Sail was first launched, prices were lower because we didn't know that the IRs were coming.'

Indeed, Mr Ku said: 'The higher prices achieved in the market today is just a reflection of the reduction of risks, an improving economy and the growth of the financial industry here.'

9 November 2006

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/RCSSC/sail091106.jpg

progress on the skyline

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v133/RafflesCity/bay0911.jpg

A wide lens is definitely needed to capture Singapore skyline in full glory in 2010.....:yes:

yup...Singapore's skyline would have expanded around the bay by then :happy:

Would reach full height in less than 2 years I think

On RafflesCity's pic they are building floor 17, so they completed 3 floor plates in 2 weeks. At this rate I think the concrete structure will easily top up within one year time, more or less.

guess it would be very fast :)

Saw advertisement in today’s newspaper… the entire 53rd floor of tower 1 is up for public tender…

I thought tower 1 had been sold out 2 yrs ago ?
Is this a re-sale or CDL reserved for selling ?

should be re-sale...

:)

http://i15.tinypic.com/3yqsgv5.jpg

http://i15.tinypic.com/44rakhu.jpg

Very nice picture. Singapore skyline is slowly getting denser and denser.

Updates (18/11/06):

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e126/ylstan02/BSB%20Nov%202006/DSC_0011A.jpg

Now building floor 19... That's another two floorplates in one week \o/

Taken with an idiot camera at 6pm today from the top floor of 1 Shenton Way:

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/315/imgp3351li4.jpg

Taken with an idiot camera at 6pm today from the top floor of 1 Shenton Way:

http://img355.imageshack.us/img355/315/imgp3351li4.jpg

lovely update!

This is going to be an amazing building! I can't wait to see it finished.

Another view; this time from the 22nd floor of 1 Shenton Way at 4.30pm on 21st Nov.:

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/2020/imgp3362zw1.jpg

WOW!!! A huge circle of construction!!! CST 2 had started?

CST 2 started late last year...should be completed in 2008 I think. Once the CST 2 is complete, the land should in theory be available for more development.

Wow, already on the 18th floor!

Hmm, is the webcam at the esplanade spoilt or something? The progress of the sail seems retarded @ http://www.marina-bay.sg/webcam/ESP/index.html

the webcam has not been updated for 2 months at least

the webcam has not been updated for 2 months at least

Yeah, only the date is updated =X

http://static.flickr.com/107/304901195_1478d527d6_o.jpg

No pic...? :?

Sorry, more here!

http://static.flickr.com/106/305297369_416612f1e2_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/110/305297307_a17fe3d3a9_o.jpg

http://static.flickr.com/102/304900995_31110b8b87_o.jpg

wat is CST2???

great angles...thanks raptor!

Wow!!! Great photos!

Heh thanks, the first one taken from ORQ South tower, the office very big!

raptor...any more views from Raffles Quay South Tower?

wat is CST2???

http://www.ura.gov.sg/pr/text/pr06-40.html

raptor...any more views from Raffles Quay South Tower?


Yeah LOTS of em :P

I'll post it in another thread :)

How many more floors to go?

about 40 or more floors

Great render for the Sails, to the left I guess already changed a lot...:)

http://www.crystalcg.com/upload/imageandflash/images/chenggonganli/C/jianzhu/biaoxianfengge/zhaopianhecheng/10.jpg

Great render for the Sails, to the left I guess already changed a lot...:)

http://www.crystalcg.com/upload/imageandflash/images/chenggonganli/C/jianzhu/biaoxianfengge/zhaopianhecheng/10.jpg

Impressive, so futuristic

I attached a few 3D simulations of the views of the Sail.


http://img433.imageshack.us/img433/2835/bfcbayrl2.jpg


http://img270.imageshack.us/img270/2189/sailbayviewea8.jpg

WOW, how'd you do that?

Wow, nice 3d model of singapore!

nice one ric2410! :)

I hope the cladding of the Sail will be as stunning as shown in the rendering Chad posted

Great render for the Sails, to the left I guess already changed a lot...:)

http://www.crystalcg.com/upload/imageandflash/images/chenggonganli/C/jianzhu/biaoxianfengge/zhaopianhecheng/10.jpg

nice! unusual looking :)

Wow, what IR version is that? :eek:


Update:
Facade's up!!!!!! :banana:

Wow, what IR version is that? :eek:


Update:
Facade's up!!!!!! :banana:

WHERE?

WHERE???????

Ohhhh! Any pics?

22 Dec 2006
http://img151.imageshack.us/img151/1483/sailf2fr8.jpg

First pieces of facade up:
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/6271/sailfhd0.jpg

I still think The Sail@Marina Bay commands the best view.

OMG! Generic and typical it may be, I totally didn't expect it and am quite impressed.

does anybody think that the sail is too conjested? with 1111units the facilities n lobby will be very full.......

yea, I find it hard to believe that they managed to squeeze 1111 units into that.

Decided to take a look at it myself after redstone's first post :D

23 December 2006

It definitely looks more blueish-grey than green to me...

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/RCSSC/sail2312.jpg

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/RCSSC/sail2312a.jpg

^ Wow.....like the bluish glass.....:yes:

me too!

Finally no green glass after 4 new green glass towers in a row. :D

Love the colour! Nice, simple and easy to digest. :D

Very nice.

Yeh!! I love blue!

Sub-sale offer prices for Marina Bay homes heading up

Owners asking for up to $2,500 psf for The Sail and $3,100 psf for Marina Bay condo

By Joyce Teo, Property Correspondent
Dec 28, 2006
The Straits Times

ATTEMPTS by speculators to make rapid hefty profits by selling leasehold apartments in the red-hot Marina Bay area have reached fever pitch.
This comes in the wake of the recent hype over the hugely popular Marina Bay Residences.

Owners are now seeking up to $2,500 per sq ft (psf) for the nearby The Sail @ Marina Bay and $3,100 psf for Marina Bay Residences in deals known as 'sub-sales' or 'flipping' of units.


Sub-sale interest in the tall, 1,111-unit The Sail remains relatively strong, with talk of deals done at and above $2,000 psf, said a market source.

A Singapore investor sold his relatively small mid-floor unit at The Sail last week for $2,200 psf to an Indonesian, the source said. He had bought the unit in the sub-sale market for just $1,400 psf a few months earlier.

At Marina Bay Residences, a four-bedroom unit was believed to have been sold at more than $2,400 psf recently, well up from the purchase price of about $2,000 psf.

Marina Bay Residences was sold out in three days in the middle of this month, before its official launch. Prices of the condominium units hit mind-boggling heights of about $2,700 psf at the preview sales. The larger penthouse units were said to have been sold at up to $3,450 psf, with the biggest one going for $28.6 million or $2,600 psf.

This performance prompted sellers of units at The Sail to ask for even higher prices.

Before the sale of Marina Bay Residences, sub-sales at The Sail were being done at $1,300 psf to $1,400 psf on average. Tower one of The Sail was launched in late 2004 at just $900 psf to $950 psf while tower two was launched nearly a year later at $1,080 psf.

Yesterday, classified advertisements in The Straits Times showed offers of up to $2,500 psf for The Sail and up to $2,700 psf for Marina Bay Residences. The higher offers are a reflection of the current market, said a source.

On Saturday, there was an ad asking for $1,900 psf to $3,100 psf for Marina Bay Residences units. Another claimed that buyers of Marina Bay Residences were flipping their units for profits of $160,000 and more, and that those of tower one of The Sail were pocketing gains of $350,000 or more. It asked potential buyers to register now for bulk bookings of new projects in the Central Business District, including One Shenton, which could be launched early next year.

Said PropNex senior division director Eric Cheng: 'There are many agents advertising sub-sale units but many of them are dummy ads. They are fishing for buyers. In my view, there will not be more than 10 sub-sale deals done in one project in a month.'

Considering that some sub-sale offers for Marina Bay Residences have 'gone haywire', said one agent, the number of actual deals done may not be that great.

'Prices have skyrocketed. Quite a few are asking for $2,700 psf for Marina Bay Residences. That price can buy you a very prime, freehold apartment. A leasehold unit in Marina Bay that is above $2,000 psf is not worth buying.'

Sentosa Cove and Orchard Road properties could be a better bet, he said.

'Not many people are keen on Marina Bay Residences because it is overpriced and it attracted too many speculators,' said a property agent. 'Some are worried that the Government will implement policy changes to control speculation.'

Market players had viewed the recent government move to withdraw the concession to defer stamp duty for new properties, as a signal to discourage speculation.

joyceteo@sph.com.sg

I also agree that there is too much speculation in the marina bay. Orchard will still be a better bet for these prices.

29 December 2006

spot it rising on the left?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v427/rotpics03/sail2912.jpg

drove past ECP last nite. can see The Sail clearly which mean from the reverse, The Sail can also see ECP clearly and the view will be very good:)

hurry up bitch :)

-_-'''

would love some photograhic updates on the facade!!

would love some photograhic updates on the facade!!

not much has changed since redstone and rafflescity's pics on 22, 23 December... will check out the site again this weekend...

btw, One Shenton is launching this weekend ya? flyers have reached wipers/windscreens of cars in carparks in south bridge road...

not much has changed since redstone and rafflescity's pics on 22, 23 December... will check out the site again this weekend...

btw, One Shenton is launching this weekend ya? flyers have reached wipers/windscreens of cars in carparks in south bridge road...VVIP and Floor Buyer on Friday. CDL client on Saturday.

taken yesterday with crappy mobile...

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/4897/dsc0000311lx2.jpg

taken yesterday with crappy mobile...

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/4897/dsc0000311lx2.jpg

Yeah its gettin real tall. I reckon its about 25 floors already.

Its going to look awesome with that facade....in the morning...the facade is a nice light shade of baby blue...making a good contrast to its dark green neighbours...

RC: Take photo! :D

The Sail, as seen from a different angle.
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3227/p1080855kz8.jpg

The Sail, as seen from a different angle.
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3227/p1080855kz8.jpg

Nice update, but looks kinda short from this angle.. Btw, Fishing in front of the CBD looks fun, should try!

The Sail, as seen from a different angle.
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3227/p1080855kz8.jpg

Wow, one can realise, looking at this pic, how FAT the Sail will look from this angle, once completed... It'd better look good !

nice pic ayanami.

Another picture taken sometime mid-Nov 06.

Those units facing the One Raffles Quay do not have much privacy. In fact, at night, the glare from the office lights (somehow they keep them switched on for certain levels) can be quite strong.

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/1763/p1080827ei9.jpg

@Pengui

both his/her pics were taken on 22 Nov last year.

Btw, is this a recent pic ? I can see a blue wrapping next HSBC which looks like it could be the Straits Trading building... And I think this one is gone for good :-)

Edit: I was refering to your previous pic from the Esplanade. The one just above is one of the best pics of ORQ I've seen so far ! Great angle.

Indeed, a fat building will be great to make our skyline bigger

Nice update, but looks kinda short from this angle.. Btw, Fishing in front of the CBD looks fun, should try!

nice pic ayanami.

Thanks. Just doing my little bit to contribute to this forum which I have benefited from . Since my knowledge from the ROI angle is limited, I try to make up for it from a "camera angle". :)

The second one is better! Heh, what is ROI?

The second one is better! Heh, what is ROI?

Return on Investment.

Oh ok..

@Pengui

both his/her pics were taken on 22 Nov last year.

Wow! You are GOOD...... Is there are "header" segment in the JPEG that you can de-compile ? You must teach me, master!

Wow! You are GOOD...... Is there are "header" segment in the JPEG that you can de-compile ? You must teach me, master!

It's called EXIF info and any good image viewer will allow you to see that... Since I was lazy (and sometimes the info could be missing or wrong due to camera settings or whatsnots) I didn't bother and Hya did it for me ;-)

Btw, is this a recent pic ? I can see a blue wrapping next HSBC which looks like it could be the Straits Trading building... And I think this one is gone for good :-)

Edit: I was refering to your previous pic from the Esplanade. The one just above is one of the best pics of ORQ I've seen so far ! Great angle.

What's ORQ ?

It's called EXIF info and any good image viewer will allow you to see that... Since I was lazy (and sometimes the info could be missing or wrong due to camera settings or whatsnots) I didn't bother and Hya did it for me ;-)

Oh....EXIF. Yes, heard about it before. But never got chance to play around with it. Thanks.

Er... Thanks for asking. ORQ is One Raffles Quay. I always tell my self not to use those horrible acronyms... -_-!!

It's called EXIF info and any good image viewer will allow you to see that... Since I was lazy (and sometimes the info could be missing or wrong due to camera settings or whatsnots) I didn't bother and Hya did it for me ;-)

Just right-click on the pic to view the exif info if you have the software already installed. I'm using Opanda Viewer => http://www.opanda.com/en/iexif/index.html

Long time no new update... :(

Another picture taken sometime mid-Nov 06.

Those units facing the One Raffles Quay do not have much privacy. In fact, at night, the glare from the office lights (somehow they keep them switched on for certain levels) can be quite strong.

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/1763/p1080827ei9.jpg

This is a nice pic :)

Fortunately & unfortunately, much of that green grass in the foreground has been dug up now for the temporary road network...

Just right-click on the pic to view the exif info if you have the software already installed. I'm using Opanda Viewer => http://www.opanda.com/en/iexif/index.html

Thanks. As always, you are so helpful. :)

This is a nice pic :)

Fortunately & unfortunately, much of that green grass in the foreground has been dug up now for the temporary road network...

Yeah. The whole place is a huge messpot. Things better start rising out of that mess...

Anyone got recent update?

Closeups of the cladding (1/1/07)
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/3401/dsc0099yj0.jpg

nice!!! :)

is that One Shenton between the two towers?

nice!!! :)

is that One Shenton between the two towers?

Yes....:yes:

Closeups of the cladding (1/1/07)
http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/3401/dsc0099yj0.jpg

Superb closeup!

The cladding is now progressing...I think it has started on the shorter tower too :)

10 February 2007

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j67/RCSSC/sail1002.jpg

Wow! Very slim and powerful!

Ok, now you can tell the truth and admit you copy-pasted a bit of One Raffles Quay's facade over the Sail's concrete and that in fact the cladding is completely different... Please ^ ^;

LOL...it is more bluish than One Raffles Quay

The Sail is one flat gigantic monster! Its as tall as ORQ but its just so wide and flat! It looks like a wall, so daunting...

Looks like the 5 towers of ORQ, OMB & Sail all have different colour tones, but they resemble green/blue in a way...A bit too similar, maybe...

Hi Guys, my very first post! Goes to Fitness First @ ORQ where I can see my condo under construction while I m on the threadmill. Nice sunrise from the gym too. BTW, someone just offered $2500psf for my unit last week. Cool stuff!

wow! $2,500psf? that's unheard of for the sail... must be tower 1 bay-view on high floor...

anyways, congrads for being the proud owner! do take some pictures while you're at the threadmill...

oh, and welcome to the forum!! :)

Thanks!
Actually it's a studio unit tower 2 on the 48th floor but can see the casino. Was quite surprised by the offer too... But I guess the buyer has analysed the view from there and concluded that it's worth it. With MBFC being spread out in a few towers, I guess we should be able to see the sea from my unit.

the highest transacted price for the sail to-date is $2,300psf...

i can't imagine what the tower 1 bay-view units will fetch...

Feb 19, 2007, the tower facing Marina bay is 32 flr, othe other is 31 flr. Shd topout by year end.

http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/1082/img0035ru7.jpg

http://img394.imageshack.us/img394/2847/img0034zk5.jpg

I think the bulge of the curve is at its widest now...if this was placed in any other part of Singapore it would already look quite dominating

I think the bulge of the curve is at its widest now...if this was placed in any other part of Singapore it would already look quite dominating

Haha, yeah, in fact at 32 floors built it must be almost as tall as 40-stories HDB blocks :-)

Taken on 20 Feb 07.
http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/2007/img0117jt7.jpg

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/2746/img0066oa6.jpg

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2451/img0090qy1.jpg

http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/4231/img0099xz2.jpg

^ wow......almost as tall ORQ south tower.....:eek:

Wow! Manhattan!

I'd like to take a stroll down Marina Boulevard, even if its admist all the dust. Would like to get a taste of how its like in the future.

My class went for an excursion today and we past the Benjamin Sheares Bridge. i can tell you how excited and overjoyed we were when we see all these developments taking place. You can really feel the accelerating progress in construction at Marina Bay!! The Sail, the floating platform, the huge plot of IR land, and the SF. We could really feel the pace of progress here. Really something.

Someone gonna have to take pictures of the whole marina bay


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