"So we are supposed to just except second class status and not say anything about it,for fear that if we do,it will cause even more whites to resent us?LOL"

Yes, and No. Yes, b/c we need to get in the books, learn science, learn math, become famous for something good, get a positive role model that blacks can follow, not spent ALL our time in protest, it's not strategic at all to do things that way.

No, we're not accepting it, it's taking a different approach, protesting just enough to keep people cognizant is good, but it gets to be too much and annoying to the whites, and it's counter productive. Again, it's strategic. We allocate more energy to becoming successful in America.

It's not accepting it at all, my WHOLE POINT is to better our selves in a tangible way, we need to walk the walk, and then our words, our protesting, and our passion will be taken seriously.

"so you say that even if it is the white mans fault,we shouldnt even mention it?"

So what do we do? Arrest all white people, force a fake resolution? Give reparations? Enslave white people? We have done more than mention it, man!

"So we are supposed to just except second class status and not say anything about it,for fear that if we do,it will cause even more whites to resent us?LOL"

Yes, and No. Yes, b/c we need to get in the books, learn science, learn math, become famous for something good, get a positive role model that blacks can follow, not spent ALL our time in protest, it's not strategic at all to do things that way.

No, we're not accepting it, it's taking a different approach, protesting just enough to keep people cognizant is good, but it gets to be too much and annoying to the whites, and it's counter productive. Again, it's strategic. We allocate more energy to becoming successful in America.

It's not accepting it at all, my WHOLE POINT is to better our selves in a tangible way, we need to walk the walk, and then our words, our protesting, and our passion will be taken seriously.

Any discussion on racism is annoying to most whites,from my experiance.

"so you say that even if it is the white mans fault,we shouldnt even mention it?"

So what do we do? Arrest all white people, force a fake resolution? Give reparations? Enslave white people? We have done more than mention it, man!

Realizing the truth can not do any harm.

And while we certainly don't have everything, we have enough put ourselves out there and walk the walk.

I watched a movie known as "Social Misfits". I hope Walter isn't like the young angry black man, expousing Malcolm X.

I watched a movie known as "Social Misfits". I hope Walter isn't like the young angry black man, expousing Malcolm X.

most of you are insane.Its not rampant racism that you have a problem with,its me speaking on it.This type of bullshit cant and wont last forever and it will be the cause of the end of the USA.

^ Muahahahahahaha!lol

^ Muahahahahahaha!lol

Whats funny?

I think the first sign of insanity is when you think everyone else is.

The real cancer is rampant racism,not those who speak upon it.Which is why we have states that blacks make up 5% of the population yet over 50% of the prison.ANd we have cities where half to most of the black male population are unemployed.There are more of us in prison than college now.

Actually prison statistics show that blacks, hispanics, and whites are almost equally populating the prison system with about 30% of each of those 3 races makin up the prison population.

What we should do is realize that the majority of whites will always be racist,and as such,we should seperate from them.

Go fuck yourself. You're such a stupid ignorant person. Why do you keep saying "we" should realize....there are a few black people who have responded back to you on this thread who don't agree with you. So stop makin it seem like you're gonna lead a fuckin army against the government. And stop with your bullshit. "THE MAJORITY OF WHITES WILL ALWAYS BE RACIST" Yea right. You don't know shit. You are probably the only racist in this whole thread. Oh but let me guess....just because I am against you on this argument...that probably makes me racist in your book huh? No no...just the fact that I'm WHITE automatically writes me off as racist in your book, doesn't it?

^ lol. See Walter look what you did.

didnt know this was a race forum, please shut it down.

I think the first sign of insanity is when you think everyone else is.

At one point most americans thought it was ok for us to be property.40 years ago it was ''ok'' to treat us like sub human pieces of shit.Now its ''ok'' for us to be discriminated against rampantly on all levels,and when it is brought up,the person who mentioned it is the enemy.

Go fuck yourself.

:hahaha::hahaha::hahaha:

Actually prison statistics show that blacks, hispanics, and whites are almost equally populating the prison system with about 30% of each of those 3 races makin up the prison population.


In wisconsin blacks make up 5% of the state and over 50% of its prisons.


BTW even if what you said was true,it would still be nuts.Blacks and Latinos combined make up about 25% of this country while whites make up about 70%.

Go fuck yourself. You're such a stupid ignorant person. Why do you keep saying "we" should realize....there are a few black people who have responded back to you on this thread who don't agree with you. So stop makin it seem like you're gonna lead a fuckin army against the government. And stop with your bullshit. "THE MAJORITY OF WHITES WILL ALWAYS BE RACIST" Yea right. You don't know shit. You are probably the only racist in this whole thread. Oh but let me guess....just because I am against you on this argument...that probably makes me racist in your book huh? No no...just the fact that I'm WHITE automatically writes me off as racist in your book, doesn't it?

youre stupid and ignorant.ANy sane person can see that the USA has not worked in the favor of anybody except whites.

WHen I say ''we'' I mean black people.Because most whites,like you,cant or wont see racism from whites as a problem.The only problem is when others speak upon it.

ANd I have my reasons to believe that most whites are racist.Shall I post more articles,historic documents,and pictures to support my opinion?

In wisconsin blacks make up 5% of the state and over 50% of its prisons.


BTW even if what you said was true,it would still be nuts.Blacks and Latinos combined make up about 25% of this country while whites make up about 70%.

I don't care about Wisconsin...I was talkin about nationally. And whether it would still be nuts or not doesn't matter to me. You keep goin on and on and on about how blacks are the majority in prison. I was just provin you wrong by postin a fact, that there are an equal number of whites and hispanics in prison as there are blacks.

this forum is racist will someone please shut it down.

youre stupid and ignorant.ANy sane person can see that the USA has not worked in the favor of anybody except whites.

WHen I say ''we'' I mean black people.Because most whites,like you,cant or wont see racism from whites as a problem.The only problem is when others speak upon it.

ANd I have my reasons to believe that most whites are racist.Shall I post more articles,historic documents,and pictures to support my opinion?

See that's just your problem right there. You keep holding on to things that happened in HISTORY and believe that NOTHING has changed since then. You can't say "Oh well at one time in history whites had us as slaves and so that means that still to this day MOST whites are racist....no, that is bullshit" and hey if you want to get technical about things. Did you know that many many blacks enslaved their own people? Yes, there were MANY black slave-owners as well. But hey, a person like you, will only focus on what you want to see and that is the white on black racism. I'm not ignornin racism. I stated a few times that obviously racism still exists...in some parts of the country more than others. But for one: racism is not just a white against black situation. Every race has people that are racist towards every other race. Yes...this mean that even BLACKS are racist towards WHITES. You seem to be one of them.

I don't care about Wisconsin...I was talkin about nationally. And whether it would still be nuts or not doesn't matter to me. You keep goin on and on and on about how blacks are the majority in prison. I was just provin you wrong by postin a fact, that there are an equal number of whites and hispanics in prison as there are blacks.

Typical white attitude.If its not them,it doesnt matter.Fuck you.One day you motherfuckers will pay.

Typical white attitude.If its not them,it doesnt matter.Fuck you.One day you motherfuckers will pay.

Stop tryin to take what I say and turn it into something else you fuckin idiot. I didn't mean that if blacks were the majority in prison it wouldn't matter to me. I simply meant that the only reason I posted that prison information is because you kept runnin your mouth sayin that blacks are the majority in prison. Which is FALSE. So I wanted to provide a factual statement. Therefore the issue at hand didn't matter to me at that time because I was just tryin to post a fact. But here you go tryin to turn everything against everyone. You fuckin racist.

See that's just your problem right there. You keep holding on to things that happened in HISTORY and believe that NOTHING has changed since then. You can't say "Oh well at one time in history whites had us as slaves and so that means that still to this day MOST whites are racist....no, that is bullshit" and hey if you want to get technical about things. Did you know that many many blacks enslaved their own people? Yes, there were MANY black slave-owners as well. But hey, a person like you, will only focus on what you want to see and that is the white on black racism. I'm not ignornin racism. I stated a few times that obviously racism still exists...in some parts of the country more than others. But for one: racism is not just a white against black situation. Every race has people that are racist towards every other race. Yes...this mean that even BLACKS are racist towards WHITES. You seem to be one of them.

actually the main thing I discussed is discrimination in the workforce,which is happening right now in 2005.The article that I posted several times(because whites just couldnt believe it) is a modern article.

Thats what you guys do,tear down anyone or anything that lets the truth out.WHenever a black man even mentions race,you start spewing the usual ''let go of the past'' bullshit.RIGHT NOW IN 2005 A WHITE FELON GETS PICKED OVER A BLACK MAN WITH NO RECORD.that means that RACE STILL MATTERS MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE IN AMERICA.

Stop tryin to take what I say and turn it into something else you fuckin idiot. I didn't mean that if blacks were the majority in prison it wouldn't matter to me. I simply meant that the only reason I posted that prison information is because you kept runnin your mouth sayin that blacks are the majority in prison. Which is FALSE. So I wanted to provide a factual statement. Therefore the issue at hand didn't matter to me at that time because I was just tryin to post a fact. But here you go tryin to turn everything against everyone. You fuckin racist.

blacks make up the majority in wisconsin prisons.I did not say the entire country.But you seem more interested in attacking my credibility than actually listening to what im saying.WHich is why shit will stay the same unless blacks do something about it because we cant depend on our fellow americans to even REALIZE the problem let alone do something about it.

actually the main thing I discussed is discrimination in the workforce,which is happening right now in 2005.The article that I posted several times(because whites just couldnt believe it) is a modern article.

Thats what you guys do,tear down anyone or anything that lets the truth out.WHenever a black man even mentions race,you start spewing the usual ''let go of the past'' bullshit.RIGHT NOW IN 2005 A WHITE FELON GETS PICKED OVER A BLACK MAN WITH NO RECORD.that means that RACE STILL MATTERS MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE IN AMERICA.

Stop flattering yourself. You think everything revolves around you. Give me a break. I'm fuckin done with you. You are the most ignorant narrow-minded person I have ever met. Why are you narrow-minded? Because you don't listen to anything anyone is sayin on here. Lots of people have stated facts and good points on this thread...you look right past it and just care about your turn to talk. Even if you know they are right, you won't admit it because your mind is so fucked up with this racism issue you think most of white america is out to get YOU.

blacks make up the majority in wisconsin prisons.I did not say the entire country.But you seem more interested in attacking my credibility than actually listening to what im saying.WHich is why shit will stay the same unless blacks do something about it because we cant depend on our fellow americans to even REALIZE the problem let alone do something about it.

Wow, now you are a hypocrite as well. You say I'm not interested in listening to what you have to say? It's funny...look at the post I just wrote right above this one. I accused you of the same damn thing. You don't give a shit what anyone else says. You think there is a huge conspiracy that all white people are in on against you and "your" people.

BTW,your little statue of liberty and flag are both pieces of shit.The statue of liberty was put up at the same time jim crow laws were still in place.SO its not true liberty that you stand for,only liberty for whites to do whatever the fuck they want to everyone else.

and the flag is a piece of shit because the white on it stands for purity and innocence.The US will never be pure nor innocent.In 1500 there were 12 million native americans and by 1900 there were about 500,000.Genocide.The US also enslaved and continues to oppress its black citizens.

''one nation,undivided,with liberty and justice for all'' my ass.

Wow, now you are a hypocrite as well. You say I'm not interested in listening to what you have to say? It's funny...look at the post I just wrote right above this one. I accused you of the same damn thing. You don't give a shit what anyone else says. You think there is a huge conspiracy that all white people are in on against you and "your" people.

i have said time and time that I dont believe that ALL whites are racist,just most.But you want to believe that i think all are racist dont you?stupid hypocrite.Just like your racist fore fathers.

BTW,your little statue of liberty and flag are both pieces of shit.The statue of liberty was put up at the same time jim crow laws were still in place.SO its not true liberty that you stand for,only liberty for whites to do whatever the fuck they want to everyone else.

and the flag is a piece of shit because the white on it stands for purity and innocence.The US will never be pure nor innocent.In 1500 there were 12 million native americans and by 1900 there were about 500,000.Genocide.The US also enslaved and continues to oppress its black citizens.

''one nation,undivided,with liberty and justice for all'' my ass.

Shut up. I didn't pick that little icon thing for anything other than I thought it looked cool and was sick of the old icon I had. Of course you think there is a hidden meaning behind me pickin it. You don't know shit about me.

i have said time and time that I dont believe that ALL whites are racist,just most.But you want to believe that i think all are racist dont you?stupid hypocrite.Just like your racist fore fathers.

Just like my racist forefathers? Wrong. I'm nothin like them. I have nothin to do with them...I don't even know who they are. I wasn't alive when that stuff was goin on. Stop talkin outta your ass.

Stop flattering yourself. You think everything revolves around you. Give me a break. I'm fuckin done with you. You are the most ignorant narrow-minded person I have ever met. Why are you narrow-minded? Because you don't listen to anything anyone is sayin on here. Lots of people have stated facts and good points on this thread...you look right past it and just care about your turn to talk. Even if you know they are right, you won't admit it because your mind is so fucked up with this racism issue you think most of white america is out to get YOU.

lets see.we were enslaved,lynched,hung,raped,etc by US citizens and this was allowed by law.Now we have almost 60%(most) of the black men in my city unemployed,and its been proven that rampant racism is the reason why.And what do ''my fellow americans'' say about it?nothing.

What reason would I have to believe that MOST white americans are on ''our'' side?Give me some reasons.I can give you dozens of reasons why I think thats false.

Geesh, if you're not going to adapt your views to the solutions of the "real" world's problems, at least, and I'm imploring you, please amalgamate your replies so that you don't have 3-4 in a row. It's annoying as heck is all!

lets see.we were enslaved,lynched,hung,raped,etc by US citizens and this was allowed by law.Now we have almost 60%(most) of the black men in my city unemployed,and its been proven that rampant racism is the reason why.And what do ''my fellow americans'' say about it?nothing.

What reason would I have to believe that MOST white americans are on ''our'' side?Give me some reasons.I can give you dozens of reasons why I think thats false.

You're the type of person whose outlook on things is so fuckin skewed...you're beyond repair...so to speak. You only believe what you WANT to believe...not necessarily what is true or not. I'm not goin to continue talkin to someone like you. I could make all the points in the world....you still wouldn't care because your mind is burned in one direction.

Just like my racist forefathers? Wrong. I'm nothin like them. I have nothin to do with them...I don't even know who they are. I wasn't alive when that stuff was goin on. Stop talkin outta your ass.

George Washington,Thomas Jefferson etc.those names ring a bell?they started the country whose flag you so proudly display as an avitar.they were hypocrites because they preached that all men were equal but yet they allowed in the constitution for blacks to be slaves and natives to be killed off and have thier land stolen.

Geesh, if you're not going to adapt your views to the solutions of the "real" world's problems, at least, and I'm begging you, please amalgamate your posts so that you don't have 3-4 replies in a row. It's annoying is all!


most black men being unemployed is a real problem.But I guess since its not whites suffering its not a ''real'' problem is it?

You're the type of person whose outlook on things is so fuckin skewed...you're beyond repair...so to speak. You only believe what you WANT to believe...not necessarily what is true or not. I'm not goin to continue talkin to someone like you. I could make all the points in the world....you still wouldn't care because your mind is burned in one direction.



That sounds more like you and most of your patriotic american friends to me.

Its a true fact that white felons get preference over black men with no record in Milwaukee.

It is a true fact that most black men are unemployed in Milwaukee.

And it is a true fact that blacks make up only 5% of this state and over 50% of its prisons.

Thats not insane to you?

You're the type of person whose outlook on things is so fuckin skewed...you're beyond repair...so to speak. You only believe what you WANT to believe...not necessarily what is true or not. I'm not goin to continue talkin to someone like you. I could make all the points in the world....you still wouldn't care because your mind is burned in one direction.

so far you havent made any relevent points....I suppose in your opinion we should do nothing and just continue to let black men die,be unemployed,and imprisoned at far,far,far greater rates than whites?

Yes I just so happen to be.

Also note, I didn't make any claims or suggestions as to what the "real" world is, as you implied. For all you know, my view of the world as it relates to the Black population may be bleaker than your own. I suppose we'll never know.

One thing I do know, all the anger and time you've wasted here, I bet you could have single-handed placed 10% of Milwaukee's unemployed Blacks, Whites, Purples, Checkereds, and Squirrels in decent, well-paying jobs by now.

Yes I just so happen to be.

Also note, I didn't make any claims or suggestions as to what the "real" world is, as you implied. For all you know, my view of the world as it relates to the Black population may be bleaker than your own. I suppose we'll never know.

One thing I do know, all the anger and time you've wasted here, I bet you could have single-handed placed 10% of Milwaukee's unemployed Blacks, Whites, Purples, Checkereds, and Squirrels in decent, well-paying jobs by now.

I have only been registed on this site for a few days.So I dont get your ''all the time wasted'' comment.Any time spent at discussing problems that concern blacks is ''wasted'' time in your opinion I bet.

ANd I dont have the power to place anyone in a job.

Geesh, if you're not going to adapt your views to the solutions of the "real" world's problems, at least, and I'm imploring you, please amalgamate your replies so that you don't have 3-4 in a row. It's annoying as heck is all!

What do you mean by that?

I have only been registed on this site for a few days.So I dont get your ''all the time wasted'' comment...
I know you haven't been here too long, your joined date says October 2005, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out, regardless of what race he/she is. What I meant, is that's how angry you've been. Alot of anger in a short amount of time. Gotta give you credit though, at least you know how to vent.

...Any time spent at discussing problems that concern blacks is ''wasted'' time in your opinion I bet.
Every minute I spend on this site talking about anything from Spaghetti-Os to thermonuclear suppositories is technically wasting time. Obviously coming to this site isn't the grandest way to spend time, surely there's something better we could all be doing. It's just sit back and relax, unwind type stuff, and I will continue to do it. Woe be to those who try and stop me!

Besides, even if it were just typing the word "Blacks", how petty would that be to want 4 seconds of your life back? I say plan your time better if you're that bad. Actually, I take that back, America is just that petty. Sorry I brought it up!

I know you haven't been here too long, your joined date says October 2005, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out, regardless of what race he/she is. What I meant, is that's how angry you've been. Alot of anger in a short amount of time. Gotta give you credit though, at least you know how to vent.Every minute I spend on this site talking about anything from Spaghetti-Os to thermonuclear suppositories is technically wasting time. Obviously coming to this site isn't the grandest way to spend time, surely there's something better we could all be doing. It's just sit back and relax, unwind type stuff, and I will continue to do it. Woe be to those who try and stop me!


If this really were one nation under god we all would be angry at one ethnicity constantly having to suffer while the majority just ignores it.

this forum is racist will someone please shut it down.
Its not racist. Were being real for once.

Somebody who knows him well. WRITE JMAN A PERSONAL MESSAGE AND HAVE HIM COME HER AND SHIT THIS DAMN THREAD, AND WALTERSWORLD'S ACCOUNT FOR THAT MATTTER, DOWN!!

Its not racist. Were being real for once.

Thanks. Talking about black problems and trying to find ways to solve them is not racism. Only narrow minded fools would say it is. You know what? Its more racist to sugar coat the black communities problems than discuss it. By saying its racist to talk about my fellow man, he is saying that blacks are special, unique, and does not fit in with society then. People wonder why blacks are unapproachable sometimes....this is why.

Like I said before...if blacks want to be apart of U.S. society, then they need to become apart of society. That means taking criticism, accpeting advice without pulling out the race card.

Racism and group superiority is a key value in the American culture, but when people constantly play the victim for "societies" problems solely based on the color of their skin it's just the lazy way out. Minorities have to face that racism exists, but problems within our own people is also a factor of why we're viewed so differently. Instead of local leaders that are constantly on the defense, we need them to infiltrate the inner city communities with messages of what people can do, instead of what are people doing to us....

Im going to ask you walter a couple questions....please be honest and dont bullshit with me.

Where are you from?

This large percentage of black unemployed. What do you think is the the percentage turned down from work for being black, that

1)graduated high school/or has taken college classes/gotten a degree
2)Never had a serious criminal conviction or drug offense.
3)actively pursued many job opportunities, such as a large number of potentially employers.
4)did not not come into the interview with excessive jewlrey, an attitude, or talked in slang (ebonics)
5)is qualified for the job he or she is applying to.

Why are so many blacks employed in well paying jobs in the city--such as police, fire, construction, library, school teachers, garbage, county parks, transit..etc. We just had a black police chief who by the way was notorious for overlooking qualified white men. We also nearly had a black mayor.

Why are there so many black women working all over the city?

Why are there so many Hmong/Vietnamese/Laotian/Thai, Hispanic, Eastern European, African workers in the city? Surely if the city was racist, these people shouldnt have jobs.

Why do we have such a bad graduation rate---mainly due to these same young blacks abandoning their study. Why are we a leader in the nation for teenage pregancy? These both I remind you are black issues.

Which Milwaukee area companies are prejuduce? Miller, Quad Graphics, Patrick Cudahy, Rockwell Automation, Johnson Controls, Masterlock, Briggs and Stratton...etc. seem to have a good number of minorities working? Why does the Bradley Center, Miller Park, and the huge summer festivals hire so many young blacks, Mexicans? Why does every area department store, grocer, resturant, pharmacy ..etc. tend to have alot of black workers? I know the city better than you it seems. Tell me why this is in a prejuduce city.

reddalert, he's not going to answer any question that proves he is wrong and totaly out of his mind. He's too much of a wuss.

Racism and group superiority is a key value in the American culture, but when people constantly play the victim for "societies" problems solely based on the color of their skin it's just the lazy way out. Minorities have to face that racism exists, but problems within our own people is also a factor of why we're viewed so differently. Instead of local leaders that are constantly on the defense, we need them to infiltrate the inner city communities with messages of what people can do, instead of what are people doing to us....


exactly. Democrats and black leaders have been holding black people down for years. They buy into this shit where the white man is holding them down and that we should repay them for this burden. Its pessimism. Instead they should be encouraging them to prove us (white people) wrong. Do well in school, live a crime and drug free life, value family, save money...etc.

reddalert, he's not going to answer any question that proves he is wrong and totaly out of his mind. He's too much of a wuss.

its stupid because he honestly thinks that black people are oppressed in this city. When a black guy who is threatening the life of an officer is shot to death--the whole city and media is in an uproar.

Its not racist. Were being real for once.

This is a fucked up forum because if a black man tries to air out his opinions on this forum they are accused of being a radical who uses the race card. If a white person views their opinion they are accused of being insensitive and racists. Nobody is winning this forum is to talk about your city not to address your views on racism. Because being real would be to say that "No white man could ever understand a black man's mind frame and No Black man could understand why whites feel the way they do" This is bullshit and the people who keep addresses this are racist and cowards because if they truly felt this way they would bring it up in the open instead of writing bullshit on a forum where nobody has a face. You dont know someone could be posing as if they are black or white. This is bullshit and its gonna go back and forth and never end.

This is a fucked up forum because if a black man tries to air out his opinions on this forum they are accused of being a radical who uses the race card. If a white person views their opinion they are accused of being insensitive and racists. Nobody is winning this forum is to talk about your city not to address your views on racism. Because being real would be to say that "No white man could ever understand a black man's mind frame and No Black man could understand why whites feel the way they do" This is bullshit and the people who keep addresses this are racist and cowards because if they truly felt this way they would bring it up in the open instead of writing bullshit on a forum where nobody has a face. You dont know someone could be posing as if they are black or white. This is bullshit and its gonna go back and forth and never end.

Of course its not going to end. People like walter are making untrue remarks and sticking to them.

This is a fucked up forum because if a black man tries to air out his opinions on this forum they are accused of being a radical who uses the race card. If a white person views their opinion they are accused of being insensitive and racists. Nobody is winning this forum is to talk about your city not to address your views on racism. Because being real would be to say that "No white man could ever understand a black man's mind frame and No Black man could understand why whites feel the way they do" This is bullshit and the people who keep addresses this are racist and cowards because if they truly felt this way they would bring it up in the open instead of writing bullshit on a forum where nobody has a face. You dont know someone could be posing as if they are black or white. This is bullshit and its gonna go back and forth and never end.
Ummm no, whether or not Im behind a computer or in someones face, ill still be sticking to my guns and saying the same thing.Nothing I said was racist anyway. The only one who is making rediculous comments in walter IMO.
But nevertheless,the thread needs to be shut down because people can never seem to handle a serious dicussion without being an ass.

Of course its not going to end. People like walter are making untrue remarks and sticking to them.

what untrue remarks have I made?

An easier question would be to ask what true remarks you have made. none.

what untrue remarks have I made?

Alot. Answer my above questions please and we will see.

An easier question would be to ask what true remarks you have made. none.
lol

Im going to ask you walter a couple questions....please be honest and dont bullshit with me.

Where are you from?

This large percentage of black unemployed. What do you think is the the percentage turned down from work for being black, that

1)graduated high school/or has taken college classes/gotten a degree
2)Never had a serious criminal conviction or drug offense.
3)actively pursued many job opportunities, such as a large number of potentially employers.
4)did not not come into the interview with excessive jewlrey, an attitude, or talked in slang (ebonics)
5)is qualified for the job he or she is applying to.

Why are so many blacks employed in well paying jobs in the city--such as police, fire, construction, library, school teachers, garbage, county parks, transit..etc. We just had a black police chief who by the way was notorious for overlooking qualified white men. We also nearly had a black mayor.

Why are there so many black women working all over the city?

Why are there so many Hmong/Vietnamese/Laotian/Thai, Hispanic, Eastern European, African workers in the city? Surely if the city was racist, these people shouldnt have jobs.

Why do we have such a bad graduation rate---mainly due to these same young blacks abandoning their study. Why are we a leader in the nation for teenage pregancy? These both I remind you are black issues.

Which Milwaukee area companies are prejuduce? Miller, Quad Graphics, Patrick Cudahy, Rockwell Automation, Johnson Controls, Masterlock, Briggs and Stratton...etc. seem to have a good number of minorities working? Why does the Bradley Center, Miller Park, and the huge summer festivals hire so many young blacks, Mexicans? Why does every area department store, grocer, resturant, pharmacy ..etc. tend to have alot of black workers? I know the city better than you it seems. Tell me why this is in a prejuduce city.

Im from Milwaukees Northside.

And to anwser your questions,it has been proven that a black man,even if he has a good education and work history will still have a harder time getting a job than even a white criminal.That proves that skin color means more than anything-if a white criminal gets preference over a black man that hasnt did anything.

why are there so many blacks employed in the city?Actually most black men arent employed.For those that are employed,they got lucky and got that chance.Since the city is nearly 40% black of coarse some black men are employed.Not enough,or not even most,are.

why are so many black women working all over the city?because they get chose over black men.Employers,for whatever reason,would rather have ANYONE,even a white felon, in thier workplace than a black man.Its a cold hard reality.

Why are there so many blah blah working when black men arent?once again,they get chose over black men.Until we are in the position to hire ourselves this will continue.

Why do we have such a bad graduation rate?Im not sure.But even if a black man does graduate high school,and does stay on the right track,a white felon will still get chose over him.Thats proof that charactor,dress,lifestyle,etc arent as important as the color of your skin in Milwaukee.As long as this remains the case,the city will forever be racist.

exactly. Democrats and black leaders have been holding black people down for years. They buy into this shit where the white man is holding them down and that we should repay them for this burden. Its pessimism. Instead they should be encouraging them to prove us (white people) wrong. Do well in school, live a crime and drug free life, value family, save money...etc.


We have always had to ''prove'' whites they were wrong.When will you prove to US that you have corrected your oppressive and ignorant ways?

we were enslaved here,where our ancestors worked thier entire lives for NOTHING.

We fought in wars for america only to come home to be treated like shit.

We fought,and many of us died,to gain civil rights.


Again,who made whites such standards of moral rights?Your people slaughtered the natives,stole thier land,and brought us here as slaves.YOU are the ones that need to prove to us and the rest of the world that you are no longer barbaric,sick,evil,oppressive men and women.

An easier question would be to ask what true remarks you have made. none.

surely you can give examples of false things I have said.If this is the case.

its stupid because he honestly thinks that black people are oppressed in this city. When a black guy who is threatening the life of an officer is shot to death--the whole city and media is in an uproar.

we are oppressed.We always have been in the United States.You are in denial.

Thanks. Talking about black problems and trying to find ways to solve them is not racism. Only narrow minded fools would say it is. You know what? Its more racist to sugar coat the black communities problems than discuss it. By saying its racist to talk about my fellow man, he is saying that blacks are special, unique, and does not fit in with society then. People wonder why blacks are unapproachable sometimes....this is why.
Like I said before...if blacks want to be apart of U.S. society, then they need to become apart of society. That means taking criticism, accpeting advice without pulling out the race card.


We arent the ones who made us(blacks) seperate from US society.Slavery and jim crow ring a bell?How about tuskegee and cointelpro?

This is a fucked up forum because if a black man tries to air out his opinions on this forum they are accused of being a radical who uses the race card. If a white person views their opinion they are accused of being insensitive and racists. Nobody is winning this forum is to talk about your city not to address your views on racism. Because being real would be to say that "No white man could ever understand a black man's mind frame and No Black man could understand why whites feel the way they do" This is bullshit and the people who keep addresses this are racist and cowards because if they truly felt this way they would bring it up in the open instead of writing bullshit on a forum where nobody has a face. You dont know someone could be posing as if they are black or white. This is bullshit and its gonna go back and forth and never end.

I assure you,I am well known for voicing my opinion in the public,and in front of whomever.

Im from Milwaukees Northside.

excellent. Which street you live off of? Im on the Northwest side.

And to anwser your questions,it has been proven that a black man,even if he has a good education and work history will still have a harder time getting a job than even a white criminal.That proves that skin color means more than anything-if a white criminal gets preference over a black man that hasnt did anything.

how can you prove this though? If it is able to be proven, then it should be brought before a judge. I am aware of no major Milwaukee employer doing this.

why are there so many blacks employed in the city?Actually most black men arent employed.For those that are employed,they got lucky and got that chance.Since the city is nearly 40% black of coarse some black men are employed.Not enough,or not even most,are.

That doesnt answer the question though. There are a huge number working good jobs for the City and county....why? Black unemployment is common in almsot every city. You also have to take into account Milwaukee is a rust belt city that lost alot of its supportive manufactring jobs. These are the jobs that unskilled blacks used to take. Now good jobs require education and know how. This ties into low black graduation from MPS.

why are so many black women working all over the city?because they get chose over black men.Employers,for whatever reason,would rather have ANYONE,even a white felon, in thier workplace than a black man.Its a cold hard reality.

That doesnt make any sense whatsover. A black woman is more discriminated against than black men.

Why are there so many blah blah working when black men arent?once again,they get chose over black men.Until we are in the position to hire ourselves this will continue.

why? They are minorities too. They are poorer and have worse communication skills. Again, doesnt go along with your logic.

Why do we have such a bad graduation rate?Im not sure.But even if a black man does graduate high school,and does stay on the right track,a white felon will still get chose over him.Thats proof that charactor,dress,lifestyle,etc arent as important as the color of your skin in Milwaukee.As long as this remains the case,the city will forever be racist.

again, doesnt have shit to do with what we are talking about. Why arent blacks doing well in school? MPS is shit easy. Nobody goes to class. Why? Why are black men continuing the cycle of poverty by abandoning their family? This has nothing to do with discrimination. Black men killl black men, rape black women, steal from black people, and abandon black people. Why? Do you think that if this could be stopped that blacks can achieve success? Like I said, two people working together is better than one.

excellent. Which street you live off of? Im on the Northwest side.



how can you prove this though? If it is able to be proven, then it should be brought before a judge. I am aware of no major Milwaukee employer doing this.



That doesnt answer the question though. There are a huge number working good jobs for the City and county....why? Black unemployment is common in almsot every city. You also have to take into account Milwaukee is a rust belt city that lost alot of its supportive manufactring jobs. These are the jobs that unskilled blacks used to take. Now good jobs require education and know how. This ties into low black graduation from MPS.



That doesnt make any sense whatsover. A black woman is more discriminated against than black men.



why? They are minorities too. They are poorer and have worse communication skills. Again, doesnt go along with your logic.



again, doesnt have shit to do with what we are talking about. Why arent blacks doing well in school? MPS is shit easy. Nobody goes to class. Why? Why are black men continuing the cycle of poverty by abandoning their family? This has nothing to do with discrimination. Black men killl black men, rape black women, steal from black people, and abandon black people. Why? Do you think that if this could be stopped that blacks can achieve success? Like I said, two people working together is better than one.

sigh.

It has been proven through studies.

Why are some blacks working?because they got lucky and got employed.

Black women are not more discriminated against than black men in milwaukee.The average black women will tell you that.


My ''logic'' is true fact.Some people will hire illegal immigrints before even a white citizen.Why?Because they can pay them cheaper wages,and they dont really have to worry about being sued.They also dont have to worry about them standing up for thier rights.


I suppose you think that white felons getting preference over black men with no record isnt true either,its just ''my logic''.Well,for the third or fourth time,here is the article from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel...

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Yet another study finds that racial discrimination is alive and well in the hiring process, and it's keeping black men in metro Milwaukee on the unemployment rolls.

The study offers this fictional scenario:

A young, white, male high school graduate with a felony conviction applies in person for entry level jobs as a driver, a dishwasher, a laborer, warehouse worker and production worker that are advertised in the newspaper and admits to employers that he served 18 months in prison for possession of cocaine with intent to sell.

Job Applicants Survey


Graphic/Journal Sentinel
Racial Discrimination



A young black man with similar education, work history and style of presentation, but with no criminal record, applies for the same jobs.

Who do you think is more likely to be called back?

If you picked the white man with the felony conviction, you guessed right.

This study offers evidence that discrimination remains a major factor in the economic lives of black men, and highlights the fear and misunderstanding of black males that permeate the local job market.

Devah Pager, a sociologist at Northwestern University in Evanston, Ill., sent equally matched pairs of testers - two black and two white - to apply for low-skilled jobs at 350 places of employment in the Milwaukee area and found that white ex-offenders were more likely to be called back for an interview than black applicants who had no criminal record.

Students test employers
In this detailed study, bright, articulate, college students posed as job applicants. Even though the results were strikingly close, black men without criminal records were called back only 14% of the time, while whites with criminal records were called back 17% of the time.

The study, titled "The Mark of a Criminal Record," was conducted in Milwaukee between June and December 2001, and the results were released last month.

"It shows there's a great deal of work that has to be done in the education of employers and working on attitudes," says Julia Taylor, president of the Greater Milwaukee Committee. "This type of racial disparity in employment practices really impacts us as a region. It impacts our work force, and it really impacts how the inner-city moves forward."

Pager chose Milwaukee for her experiment because it is representative of most large metropolitan areas in its size, racial demographics and industrial base, she says.

The study's findings would surprise few African-Americans in this city, who know from experience that this kind of discrimination exists in the job market. Research shows that white Americans, however, have been led to think that direct, racial discrimination of this nature has become less of a problem in our society.

It was even surprising to Pager, a young white woman.

"I expected that there would be an effect of race. I thought the effect of a criminal record would swamp other effects," Pager says. "That assumption was clearly wrong. It really suggests that stereotypes and assumptions about black males are very much a factor in hiring decisions."

Facing tougher odds
The study demonstrates the increased odds black male ex-offenders face in finding employment and successfully reintegrating into the economic mainstream, says Lenard Wells, chairman of the Milwaukee Parole Commission and a former Milwaukee police officer.

"It's as if there's a concerted effort to keep black men from getting employment, to keep them oppressed," says Wells, former president of the League of Martin, an organization of black Milwaukee police officers.

"We say we want to reintegrate individuals into the community. We say that we want to do something about unemployment in the black community, yet we want to pretend that it's a criminal record that prevents blacks from getting jobs. It's blatant, undisputed, racism," he says.

Combine the effects of race and a criminal record, and the problem becomes worse. For instance, only 5% of black men with criminal records received callbacks from employers, the study found.

White men without criminal records fared the best in the Milwaukee-area job market, with 34% receiving callbacks from employers.

Keep in mind that it's illegal to discriminate against applicants with criminal records unless the circumstances of the crime correspond closely to the requirements of the job, says Phoebe Weaver Williams, an associate professor of law at Marquette University who specializes in employment discrimination.

"What's frustrating is that, after so many years of having laws in place, the laws haven't corrected the problem," Weaver Williams says.

Clearly, the study's findings demonstrate that a criminal record closes doors on employment.

Still, employers are averse to taking risks on black applicants, whom they perceive to have criminal tendencies, the study says. For example, black testers were more likely to be asked by employers whether they had any convictions, yet none of the white testers were asked about their criminal histories up front.

Image problems
A couple of factors that work against young black men is their portrayal in the media as gangsters, thugs and rappers on the fringes of society, and the fact that more black men are going to prison than college, according to a report by the U.S. Justice Department.

The sad reality is that the majority of those inmates will be released back into communities where they have little opportunity to obtain legitimate work. Research shows that one of the factors for recidivism is employment.

Black felons face a hostile job market in Milwaukee, says Wendell Hruska, associate director of Project Return, a Milwaukee agency that helps felons and people convicted of misdemeanors find employment.

"Discrimination is very much a problem. That's what we've been hearing from our clients," Hruska says. "A lot of people get discouraged. Unfortunately, many of them give up. You really can't blame people when you've been out there for months putting in applications and you hear nothing back."

This research helps us measure the degree of discrimination that exists in the hiring process.

But the question remains: How do we attack a problem that so affects the economic lives of black men in Milwaukee, where many employers still make hiring decisions colored by fear and misunderstanding?





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still at it?

Reddalert,why did white people think its ok to hold us as property?
WHy did they deny our human rights for so long?
why do they choose white felons over a black man who is innocent and has the same qualifications?
WHy did they backstab the natives and murder them off?
why does america have evil people like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson as heros?
Why did whites take hawaii from the natives there?
Australia?
Parts of Africa?
India(attempted)
Mexico(spanish whites)
Puerto Rico(spanish whites)
Why is that when whites are unemployed its a great depression but when its blacks its ignored?
Why is that white people think they are right,and everyone else is wrong,when we have 400 years of proof that it is YOUR racism thats fucking up society?
Why is the constitutional law ignored constantly by employers?
WHy isnt the same vigor used to catch drug dealers used to catch employers who discriminate?

It has been proven through studies.

which one?

Why are some blacks working?because they got lucky and got employed.

luck? Perhaps a certain drive to get that job? Luck is rare and there are a lot of black workers in these positions.

Black women are not more discriminated against than black men in milwaukee.The average black women will tell you that.

prove it. Why would a black woman be less discriminated against?


My ''logic'' is true fact.Some people will hire illegal immigrints before even a white citizen.Why?Because they can pay them cheaper wages,and they dont really have to worry about being sued.They also dont have to worry about them standing up for thier rights.

alot of these Hispanic guys arent exactly workign shit jobs. Many of them work in factories on the Southside.

I suppose you think that white felons getting preference over black men with no record isnt true either,its just ''my logic''.Well,for the third or fourth time,here is the article from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel...

I dont believe it. A white felon will NOT get prefrence over an innocent black guy. Its against the Constitution. Which companies are doing this then?

which one?



luck? Perhaps a certain drive to get that job? Luck is rare and there are a lot of black workers in these positions.



prove it. Why would a black woman be less discriminated against?




alot of these Hispanic guys arent exactly workign shit jobs. Many of them work in factories on the Southside.



I dont believe it. A white felon will NOT get prefrence over an innocent black guy. Its against the Constitution. Which companies are doing this then?

Youre insane.Im done with you.

Reddalert,why did white people think its ok to hold us as property?
WHy did they deny our human rights for so long?
why do they choose white felons over a black man who is innocent and has the same qualifications?
Why is the constitutional law ignored constantly by employers?
WHy isnt the same vigor used to catch drug dealers used to catch employers who discriminate?


please. Dont pull this slavery bullshit on me. You human rights? Which plantation did you, your parents, their parents, and so on work at? Dont take credit for the toil of others over a 150 years ago.

Why? I dont know..why are you asking me. I am 19 and dont run a business. Perhaps because this study doesnt take into account previous work history, job interview, communication and things of that nature. I agree that discrimination is there...but its not to the level you are making it out to be. I also tend to take a grain of salt with any study...they are too general.

Again, what percentage of unemployed blacks do you think were discriminated against?

Youre insane.Im done with you.

no, you are. Your not even responding to my points. You think there is some conspiricy against only black males...not females, not any other minority.

which one?



luck? Perhaps a certain drive to get that job? Luck is rare and there are a lot of black workers in these positions.



prove it. Why would a black woman be less discriminated against?




alot of these Hispanic guys arent exactly workign shit jobs. Many of them work in factories on the Southside.



I dont believe it. A white felon will NOT get prefrence over an innocent black guy. Its against the Constitution. Which companies are doing this then?
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Tannette Johnson-Elie
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Yet another study finds that racial discrimination is alive and well in the hiring process, and it's keeping black men in metro Milwaukee on the unemployment rolls.

The study offers this fictional scenario:

A young, white, male high school graduate with a felony conviction applies in person for entry level jobs as a driver, a dishwasher, a laborer, warehouse worker and production worker that are advertised in the newspaper and admits to employers that he served 18 months in prison for possession of cocaine with intent to sell.

Job Applicants Survey


Graphic/Journal Sentinel
Racial Discrimination



A young black man with similar education, work history and style of presentation, but with no criminal record, applies for the same jobs.

Who do you think is more likely to be called back?

If you picked the white man with the felony conviction, you guessed right.

This study offers evidence that discrimination remains a major factor in the economic lives of black men, and highlights the fear and misunderstanding of black males that permeate the local job market.

Devah Pager, a sociologist at Northwestern University in Evanston, Ill., sent equally matched pairs of testers - two black and two white - to apply for low-skilled jobs at 350 places of employment in the Milwaukee area and found that white ex-offenders were more likely to be called back for an interview than black applicants who had no criminal record.

Students test employers
In this detailed study, bright, articulate, college students posed as job applicants. Even though the results were strikingly close, black men without criminal records were called back only 14% of the time, while whites with criminal records were called back 17% of the time.

The study, titled "The Mark of a Criminal Record," was conducted in Milwaukee between June and December 2001, and the results were released last month.

"It shows there's a great deal of work that has to be done in the education of employers and working on attitudes," says Julia Taylor, president of the Greater Milwaukee Committee. "This type of racial disparity in employment practices really impacts us as a region. It impacts our work force, and it really impacts how the inner-city moves forward."

Pager chose Milwaukee for her experiment because it is representative of most large metropolitan areas in its size, racial demographics and industrial base, she says.

The study's findings would surprise few African-Americans in this city, who know from experience that this kind of discrimination exists in the job market. Research shows that white Americans, however, have been led to think that direct, racial discrimination of this nature has become less of a problem in our society.

It was even surprising to Pager, a young white woman.

"I expected that there would be an effect of race. I thought the effect of a criminal record would swamp other effects," Pager says. "That assumption was clearly wrong. It really suggests that stereotypes and assumptions about black males are very much a factor in hiring decisions."

Facing tougher odds
The study demonstrates the increased odds black male ex-offenders face in finding employment and successfully reintegrating into the economic mainstream, says Lenard Wells, chairman of the Milwaukee Parole Commission and a former Milwaukee police officer.

"It's as if there's a concerted effort to keep black men from getting employment, to keep them oppressed," says Wells, former president of the League of Martin, an organization of black Milwaukee police officers.

"We say we want to reintegrate individuals into the community. We say that we want to do something about unemployment in the black community, yet we want to pretend that it's a criminal record that prevents blacks from getting jobs. It's blatant, undisputed, racism," he says.

Combine the effects of race and a criminal record, and the problem becomes worse. For instance, only 5% of black men with criminal records received callbacks from employers, the study found.

White men without criminal records fared the best in the Milwaukee-area job market, with 34% receiving callbacks from employers.

Keep in mind that it's illegal to discriminate against applicants with criminal records unless the circumstances of the crime correspond closely to the requirements of the job, says Phoebe Weaver Williams, an associate professor of law at Marquette University who specializes in employment discrimination.

"What's frustrating is that, after so many years of having laws in place, the laws haven't corrected the problem," Weaver Williams says.

Clearly, the study's findings demonstrate that a criminal record closes doors on employment.

Still, employers are averse to taking risks on black applicants, whom they perceive to have criminal tendencies, the study says. For example, black testers were more likely to be asked by employers whether they had any convictions, yet none of the white testers were asked about their criminal histories up front.

Image problems
A couple of factors that work against young black men is their portrayal in the media as gangsters, thugs and rappers on the fringes of society, and the fact that more black men are going to prison than college, according to a report by the U.S. Justice Department.

The sad reality is that the majority of those inmates will be released back into communities where they have little opportunity to obtain legitimate work. Research shows that one of the factors for recidivism is employment.

Black felons face a hostile job market in Milwaukee, says Wendell Hruska, associate director of Project Return, a Milwaukee agency that helps felons and people convicted of misdemeanors find employment.

"Discrimination is very much a problem. That's what we've been hearing from our clients," Hruska says. "A lot of people get discouraged. Unfortunately, many of them give up. You really can't blame people when you've been out there for months putting in applications and you hear nothing back."

This research helps us measure the degree of discrimination that exists in the hiring process.

But the question remains: How do we attack a problem that so affects the economic lives of black men in Milwaukee, where many employers still make hiring decisions colored by fear and misunderstanding?





From the Oct. 8, 2003 editions of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

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Women losing ground in business (9/27/05)
Hispanics stay close to roots (9/20/05)
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Program matches federal contracts (9/7/05)
Cleaning firm scores sports deals (8/30/05)
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About Tannette Johnson-Elie

Tannette Johnson-Elie began her career at the former Milwaukee Sentinel in 1989 as a general assignment reporter. One year later, she moved to the federal beat, making her the first African American woman to cover a major beat at the paper. In 1994, she joined the Sentinel's business staff, becoming the first African American woman and the first minority in that department. Her columms aim to send the distinct message that viable business enterprises exist in minority communities and that business owners of color are contributing to the health of the economy.

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Reddalert,why did white people think its ok to hold us as property?
WHy did they deny our human rights for so long?
why do they choose white felons over a black man who is innocent and has the same qualifications?
WHy did they backstab the natives and murder them off?
why does america have evil people like George Washington and Thomas Jefferson as heros?
Why did whites take hawaii from the natives there?
Australia?
Parts of Africa?
India(attempted)
Mexico(spanish whites)
Puerto Rico(spanish whites)
Why is that when whites are unemployed its a great depression but when its blacks its ignored?
Why is that white people think they are right,and everyone else is wrong,when we have 400 years of proof that it is YOUR racism thats fucking up society?
Why is the constitutional law ignored constantly by employers?
WHy isnt the same vigor used to catch drug dealers used to catch employers who discriminate?

added more bullshit eh? So basically you are generalizing against white people--using historical things against me personally? I ask you. Why do black men murder black men? Why do black men rape black women? Why do black men ignore and abandon their family? Why do they willingly use hard drugs when its common knowledge they are bad? Why do they not go to school? Why do they fight over trivial bullshit? HMMMMM?

The study offers this fictional scenario:














In this detailed study, bright, articulate, college students posed as job applicants. Even though the results were strikingly close, black men without criminal records were called back only 14% of the time, while whites with criminal records were called back 17% of the time.




wow only 3 percent more? This 3 percent is the reason for black unemployment. Also take into account black males are more likely to commit a crime than white people. You can say all this shit about this made up white guy...but in truth, the made up white guy is not in as large of a group as the black man---thus tainting the study.

please. Dont pull this slavery bullshit on me. You human rights? Which plantation did you, your parents, their parents, and so on work at? Dont take credit for the toil of others over a 150 years ago.

Why? I dont know..why are you asking me. I am 19 and dont run a business. Perhaps because this study doesnt take into account previous work history, job interview, communication and things of that nature. I agree that discrimination is there...but its not to the level you are making it out to be. I also tend to take a grain of salt with any study...they are too general.

Again, what percentage of unemployed blacks do you think were discriminated against?

My grandparents survived decades of jim crow law.My mother was born during jim crow but she was a small child when it ended.The oppression of blacks,however,did not suddenly end in the 60s.


read the article,it takes into account all of the things you mentioned.You just refuse to believe that discrimination is a huge problem.You want to believe its just black mens fault.

I would say a huge number of unemployed blacks are discriminated against daily.I dont know the exact amount but I know most black men dont have jobs in Milwaukee.

wow only 3 percent more? This 3 percent is the reason for black unemployment. Also take into account black males are more likely to commit a crime than white people. You can say all this shit about this made up white guy...but in truth, the made up white guy is not in as large of a group as the black man---thus tainting the study.

3 or 2 or 1 percent.Its WRONG that white criminals get choose over black non criminals.Point blank.

And black males are not more likely to commit a crime than whites.Whites just get away with alot more shit because they control the justice(just-us) system.

ANd even so,it has been proven that even if a black man did not commit any crime,a white felon still has it better.Quit watching so much Bill O'Reilly.

My grandparents survived decades of jim crow law.My mother was born during jim crow but she was a small child when it ended.The oppression of blacks,however,did not suddenly end in the 60s.


read the article,it takes into account all of the things you mentioned.You just refuse to believe that discrimination is a huge problem.You want to believe its just black mens fault.

I would say a huge number of unemployed blacks are discriminated against daily.I dont know the exact amount but I know most black men dont have jobs in Milwaukee.

were you a slave though? Was your mom? Or grandparents? I agree that Jim Crow was terrible, but it wasnt slavery. Shitting in different bathrooms and drinking from different bubblers isnt working in a cotton field for no pay.

How can you say a large number of black men dont get jobs due to discrimination? You have no proof. This is a very serious accusation that probally would have been adressed had it been to the level you speak of.

Again, you also must take into account the laziness that plagues the ghetto. Please dont tell me that every young black guys main goal is to find a job to end his poverty? It happens far to often...you must agree.

3 or 2 or 1 percent.Its WRONG that white criminals get choose over black non criminals.Point blank.

And black males are not more likely to commit a crime than whites.Whites just get away with alot more shit because they control the justice(just-us) system.

ANd even so,it has been proven that even if a black man did not commit any crime,a white felon still has it better.Quit watching so much Bill O'Reilly.

3 percent is a small number. Wrong, but not a huge factor in black unemployment. I think I have only watched Bill Oreily once...I dont need T.V. to chisel my views on the world.

were you a slave though? Was your mom? Or grandparents? I agree that Jim Crow was terrible, but it wasnt slavery. Shitting in different bathrooms and drinking from different bubblers isnt working in a cotton field for no pay.

How can you say a large number of black men dont get jobs due to discrimination? You have no proof. This is a very serious accusation that probally would have been adressed had it been to the level you speak of.

Again, you also must take into account the laziness that plagues the ghetto. Please dont tell me that every young black guys main goal is to find a job to end his poverty? It happens far to often...you must agree.

People were being hung,raped and lynched during jim crow.It was horrible.

I provided proof several times, but white racists like you wont believe it because it suits your interests not to.

And it hasnt been addressed because the majority of the people in america share your blind ignorance.

3 percent is a small number. Wrong, but not a huge factor in black unemployment. I think I have only watched Bill Oreily once...I dont need T.V. to chisel my views on the world.

3 percent is a huge number.Thats not the gap between black men with no record and white men with no record-its the gap between white men with a record and black men without a record.Thats insane.Discrimination is a huge factor in black unemployment.Nobody wants to sell drugs and risk going to jail just to feed themselves.

People were being hung,raped and lynched during jim crow.It was horrible.

I provided proof several times, but white racists like you wont believe it because it suits your interests not to.

And it hasnt been addressed because the majority of the people in america share your blind ignorance.

blacks are doing the same thing to each other now...whats your point?

How am I a racist? When did I say I hate blacks? Making broad generalizations again about white people?

3 percent is a huge number.Thats not the gap between black men with no record and white men with no record-its the gap between white men with a record and black men without a record.Thats insane.Discrimination is a huge factor in black unemployment.Nobody wants to sell drugs and risk going to jail just to feed themselves.

no its not. Sell drugs to feed themselves? Bullshit. Absolute bullshit. Why are so many of these guys unable to provide for their girlfriend or child?

blacks are doing the same thing to each other now...whats your point?

How am I a racist? When did I say I hate blacks? Making broad generalizations again about white people?

You dont have to say ''I hate blacks'' to be a racist.You refue to believe that discrimination has a huge impact on black unemployment,even when presented with proof.You want to believe that the USA is so just and that the contitution is followed so throughly that its simply impossible for black men to be discriminated against.You want to beleive that we just want to be unemployed.No matter what,you will stand by that ignorant and blind way of thought.That makes you racist.

no its not. Sell drugs to feed themselves? Bullshit. Absolute bullshit. Why are so many of these guys unable to provide for their girlfriend or child?

so its ok that white felons get chose over black men with no record?Afterall its only a 3% difference?

You dont have to say ''I hate blacks'' to be a racist.You refue to believe that discrimination has a huge impact on black unemployment,even when presented with proof.You want to believe that the USA is so just and that the contitution is followed so throughly that its simply impossible for black men to be discriminated against.You want to beleive that we just want to be unemployed.No matter what,you will stand by that ignorant and blind way of thought.That makes you racist.

I dont think its at the level you are stating it. You said most of the unemployed were unemployed due to rascism and discrimination. You are implying that these people have no prior convictions or even have a h.s. diploma.

That doesnt make me a racist....I think everyone would agree. You are just pulling that typical black counterattack when somebody questions blacks. Sorry, blacks are perfect and have done absolutely nothing wrong!!

so its ok that white felons get chose over black men with no record?Afterall its only a 3% difference?

this was a study. One study. We didnt get a list of companies.

I agree its startling, but its not some huge truth unraveling. Had it been so, the story would have been heard round the nation. You keep dwelling on white felons...which in reality there are much, much, fewer in Milwaukee than blacks. The more black felons tend to taint these studies.

I dont think its at the level you are stating it. You said most of the unemployed were unemployed due to rascism and discrimination. You are implying that these people have no prior convictions or even have a h.s. diploma.

That doesnt make me a racist....I think everyone would agree. You are just pulling that typical black counterattack when somebody questions blacks. Sorry, blacks are perfect and have done absolutely nothing wrong!!


Ok dude.Drop the subject.

^^ OMG TAKE YOUR OWN ADVICE YOU PSYCHO MORON! YOU STARTED THE WHOLE THING, AND THEN DRAGGED IT ON FOR ALMOST 20 PAGES!!!

Ok dude.Drop the subject.

me? You started it. I dont mind dropping it.

me? You started it. I dont mind dropping it.

Ok.Drop it you stupid bitch.

Ok.Drop it you stupid bitch.

thanks for giving me some more credibility.

Cant some of you just engage me in a conversation where we discuss? I am being fair.

thanks for giving me some more credibility.

Cant some of you just engage me in a conversation where we discuss? I am being fair.

You and your people dont know anything about being fair.

You and your people dont know anything about being fair.

My people? Please, we are all Americans here. Blacks compain about not being apart of everything, yet continuosly say things like this. You people. Shit, if I ever said "you people" to a black man........

My people? Please, we are all Americans here. Blacks compain about not being apart of everything, yet continuosly say things like this. You people. Shit, if I ever said "you people" to a black man........

Whites dont complain because they have everything in thier favor(by fucking everyone else over) and when others mention(racism,discrimination) it whites have the nerves to get upset about it.

u guys are 2 fools regardless of race, because both of your points sound good but it doesnt really matter because nobody is interested in the post anymore because you guys just hijacked it.

Whites dont complain because they have everything in thier favor(by fucking everyone else over) and when others mention(racism,discrimination) it whites have the nerves to get upset about it.

I have what? So blacks can stereotype? Like I said, I live on the Northwest side....not exactly Brookfield. We are bound to Milwaukee.

I am not upset, you are just full of shit.

I have what? So blacks can stereotype? Like I said, I live on the Northwest side....not exactly Brookfield. We are bound to Milwaukee.

I am not upset, you are just full of shit.


YOU are full of shit.You somehow think its no big deal for white criminals to get hired over black men with no record.Only a 3% difference right?

u guys are 2 fools regardless of race, because both of your points sound good but it doesnt really matter because nobody is interested in the post anymore because you guys just hijacked it.

hijacked it? He called my city a shithole with no backing. Now he is saying I am an evil white imperialist slaveholder.

YOU are full of shit.You somehow think its no big deal for white criminals to get hired over black men with no record.Only a 3% difference right?

3 percent is tiny. 3 percent does not equate the large unemployment rate. It also only deals with criminals.

hijacked it? He called my city a shithole with no backing. Now he is saying I am an evil white imperialist slaveholder.

Its my city too bitch.ANd its a shit hole when you are black.

hijacked it? He called my city a shithole with no backing. Now he is saying I am an evil white imperialist slaveholder.

Both of you have very simple, stereotypical ideas and concepts. Nobody seems to give a fuck except you guys. Maybe you assholes should start ur own forum "2 racist insecure jerk-offs"

3 percent is tiny. 3 percent does not equate the large unemployment rate. It also only deals with criminals.

No,it deals with white criminals and black non criminals.White men with no record=38%
white men with record=17%

black men with no record=14%
black men with record=5%

if you think thats ''tiny'' than youre even dumber than I thought.

3 percent is tiny. 3 percent does not equate the large unemployment rate. It also only deals with criminals.

What's the margin of error in the study? Nobody mentioned that. It could easily be +/- 3%.

And all this time I though you were a evil white imperialist slaveholder? You're not? They don't still run those slave ships across Lake Michigan full of slaves to make beer and build Harleys in Milwaukee?

Both of you have very simple, stereotypical ideas and concepts. Nobody seems to give a fuck except you guys. Maybe you assholes should start ur own forum "2 racist insecure jerk-offs"

I post actual proven facts.He posts bullshit.

Its my city too bitch.ANd its a shit hole when you are black.

You guys should meet at Miller Park at 11 and fight. Fight, fight, fight!!!!

^^ you post plenty of bulshit yourself

^^ you post plenty of bulshit yourself

Once again,I invite you to point out the bullshit I have posted.If you cant,than that proves you are a liar.

What's the margin of error in the study? Nobody mentioned that. It could easily be +/- 3%.

And all this time I though you were a evil white imperialist slaveholder? You're not? They don't still run those slave ships across Lake Michigan full of slaves to make beer and build Harleys in Milwaukee?

lol! To further add to the pain, our port is right next to the sewage facilitiy.

DUDE, YOU SAID THAT IT WAS WHITE PEOPLE'S FAULT THAT BLACK PEOPLE ARE IN PRISON. NO MATTER WHAT RACE YOU ARE, PRISON IS WHERE YOU GO WHEN YOU COMMIT A CRIME!!!! WHAT UNIVERSE ARE YOU LIVING IN?

You guys should meet at Miller Park at 11 and fight. Fight, fight, fight!!!!

sounds like a plan! Get a small crowd, sell some tickets....

DUDE, YOU SAID THAT IT WAS WHITE PEOPLE'S FAULT THAT BLACK PEOPLE ARE IN PRISON. NO MATTER WHAT RACE YOU ARE, PRISON IS WHERE YOU GO WHEN YOU COMMIT A CRIME!!!! WHAT UNIVERSE ARE YOU LIVING IN?

Since when has the United States had a fair justice system?at one point it was legal to keep a black child in chains and rape them everyday.

reddalert, he's not going to answer any question that proves he is wrong and totaly out of his mind. He's too much of a wuss.
You're just an ass to every thread you go to aren't you.
BTW don't talk about my spelling anymore after that shit you posted.

"2 racist insecure jerk-offs"

I aint racist..
I aint insecure
I aint a jerk off


Why would I be insecure about black people. According to Jim...errr I mean Walter, blacks dont get jobs here.

Since when has the United States had a fair justice system?at one point it was legal to keep a black child in chains and rape them everyday.

lol....when was this? Was it the time when apes ran the world?

lol, where the hell are the mods. This thread is 25 pages off topic of the same repetitive garbage cycled again and again.

As for the topic, Detroit has some awesome areas but some areas which are too scary to even drive through. I remember a street full of abandoned buildings of some scale and the scope of the abandonment is unlike anything else in the country that I have seen. I am sure all of the cities in the north have quite a bit of decay but I have not seen any like Detroit.

Part of what makes an area feel 'ghetto' though is the density, it is a bit more difficult for a suburban area that is spread out like Charlotte or Atlanta to feel as dangerous and 'gritty' as the built-up areas of Detroit. Hell, Detroit's suburbs are more dense than most of Atlanta's or Charlotte's inner city.

Funny how my posts didn't seem to get dragged along with this senseless blather. I didn't think I ever made sense...

You're just an ass to every thread you go to aren't you.
BTW don't talk about my spelling anymore after that shit you posted.

Louisville playa, are you kidding me? I am not the one on here calling everyone racist. You just need to shut up. Whatever happened to "truce"

lol, where the hell are the mods. This thread is 25 pages off topic of the same repetitive garbage cycled again and again.

As for the topic, Detroit has some awesome areas but some areas which are too scary to even drive through. I remember a street full of abandoned buildings of some scale and the scope of the abandonment is unlike anything else in the country that I have seen. I am sure all of the cities in the north have quite a bit of decay but I have not seen any like Detroit.

Part of what makes an area feel 'ghetto' though is the density, it is a bit more difficult for a suburban area that is spread out like Charlotte or Atlanta to feel as dangerous and 'gritty' as the built-up areas of Detroit. Hell, Detroit's suburbs are more dense than most of Atlanta's or Charlotte's inner city.

I sent a message to Shiro, a moderator, he should be closing this down soon. Thank God.

Louisville playa, are you kidding me? I am not the one on here calling everyone racist. You just need to shut up. Whatever happened to "truce"
You tell me I thought that we were through with the bickering, until you kept posting smartass comments about me AFTER I WAS A DONE.
So this time let's end, this time no more smartass comments on both mine and your behalf, So truce.

Ive gotten so many threads closed....not for what I say, but how I make people drag it out. Oh well..another one under my belt. :cheers: drink to that.

You tell me I thought that we were through with the bickering, until you kept posting smartass comments about me AFTER I WAS A DONE.
So this time let's end, this time no more smartass comments on both mine and your behalf, So truce.

What are you talking about? What did I say about you after you left?

What are you talking about? What did I say about you after you left?

In the other thread we ere arguing in after I thought everything was over you would post things like I'm trying so hard to bite my tougue now, We were both biting our tongue on alot of things But it's just you wanted to show that you wanted to me to know that you were which made me think what happened to the truce. I apoligize for what I said, So do you still want to call it a truce?

lol. ok. Sure.

Since when has the United States had a fair justice system?at one point it was legal to keep a black child in chains and rape them everyday.

I used to live in New Orleans.

The town has a black DA, a majority black police department, and majority black juries, all of whom don't hesitate to convict black people for crimes.

ive lived in st.louis and believe me, if we're calling it the "#2 most ghetto city," the US is doing pretty good. :)

ive lived in st.louis and believe me, if we're calling it the "#2 most ghetto city," the US is doing pretty good. :)

yea st. louis is getting a bad rep because the ghetto parts are the actual city limits if it was set up like most american cities the crime would be a lot lower. But im not gonna deny st. louis does have some of the worst ghettos in the US. just go to www.builtstlouis.net (http://www.builtstlouis.net) and see some of these real urban nieghborhoods in STL.

I used to live in New Orleans.

The town has a black DA, a majority black police department, and majority black juries, all of whom don't hesitate to convict black people for crimes.

same in Milwaukee.

Yeah, but it's more significant for Milwaukee too, because Milwaukee is a majority white city. So walter was even more a dumbass. Milwaukee is really a whiter city run by black people. Not that that's a bad thing, but still, it proves him wrong even more.

ive lived in st.louis and believe me, if we're calling it the "#2 most ghetto city," the US is doing pretty good. :)

^True

Yeah, but it's more significant for Milwaukee too, because Milwaukee is a majority white city. So walter was even more a dumbass. Milwaukee is really a whiter city run by black people. Not that that's a bad thing, but still, it proves him wrong even more.

Its actually minority-majority now. Blacks, Asians, and Hispanics now outnumber the whites in Milwaukee city proper. In any case, he still is very wrong! :cheers:

yea st. louis is getting a bad rep because the ghetto parts are the actual city limits if it was set up like most american cities the crime would be a lot lower. But im not gonna deny st. louis does have some of the worst ghettos in the US. just go to www.builtstlouis.net (http://www.builtstlouis.net) and see some of these real urban nieghborhoods in STL.

That’s not what the whole city looks like though also that website is horribly outdated especially the Washington Avenue section.

Its my city too bitch.ANd its a shit hole when you are black.


:weirdo: thanks for the entertainment walter. i needed a laugh like your contribution to this thread, LMAO

Lets see I grew up on Chicago's north side ( RP) as I was growing up it was primarily jewish where I was , north of me German an Irish.....I guess I grew up in a ghetto.....get over it you clueless...shmuck fuc***......

A ghetto is an enclave, a gathering of an ethinic group in a particuliar area of a city due to social/economic / other factors. They gather there for security primarliy


You guys are discussing slums....a ghetto is not necessarlly a slum you lazy shi* ba*s.......get off you as*e* and learn the english language ( typos excepted).....when you have come back and talk you jabbering monkeys

Yeah, but it's more significant for Milwaukee too, because Milwaukee is a majority white city. So walter was even more a dumbass. Milwaukee is really a whiter city run by black people. Not that that's a bad thing, but still, it proves him wrong even more.


Wake up and get a clue you Shi* you don't know what the hell you are talking about

2000census figures

The racial makeup of the city is 46.7% White, 39.5% African American, 13.3% Hispanic or Latino (of any race), 3.6% Asian, 0.8% Native American, and 7.3% from other races. Approximately 2% of indivduals reported being of two or more races.

You must be a product of the New Math you fool

^^ Great, this thread has found a new resident ASSHOLE. I have the demographics posted a few pages back. It is exactly 50% white. And my point was that it wasn't racist because of the fact that it had a black mayor, black police force etc. And yet there were more white people in the city than black. What pointy thing is lodged up your ass today? jeez. You called me a shit for being (in your analysis) 4% off on a demographic. Get a life.

Lets see I grew up on Chicago's north side ( RP) as I was growing up it was primarily jewish where I was , north of me German an Irish.....I guess I grew up in a ghetto.....get over it you clueless...shmuck fuc***......

A ghetto is an enclave, a gathering of an ethinic group in a particuliar area of a city due to social/economic / other factors. They gather there for security primarliy


You guys are discussing slums....a ghetto is not necessarlly a slum you lazy shi* ba*s.......get off you as*e* and learn the english language ( typos excepted).....when you have come back and talk you jabbering monkeys

This is just nit-picking. Everyone knows what the meaning of a ghetto is. Nevertheless, the thread title is obviously referring to the vernacular use of the word, which is pretty much synonymous with a slum. Why get all bent out of shape over something that isn't really an issue? No one is spouting false information because they have misunderstood the nature of the question.

Goodbye chgoman. You're not welcome back.

HURRAY JASONHOUSE!!! Now, do you think you can close this stupid thread already? It's gotten way out of hand and the topic isn't really great either.

I thought I did close it... it's closed now for sure.