Just choose from poll with 14 cities including other. You can post there and give much information on city have become most ghetto in US.

Detroit, Newark, and DC are sure to get a lot of votes. I took Newark, b/c Detroit has it's problems, but a lot of it is misunderstood, while Newark doesn't seem to be heading anywhere different. Both of those two are pretty close, but I have more sympathy for Detroit. Cincy, NO, STL, Philly, and ATL have their bad sides, but isn't as bad as a whole. As other, I have to say there are a lot of towns like Gary and Richmond, CA., but I choose Camden, cuz it is the ghettoest city. It's pretty sad it was once prosperous but spending time there, it's like something you see in a book or on tv in some other country. It's pretty bad.

Detroit, Newark, and DC are sure to get a lot of votes. I took Newark, b/c Detroit has it's problems, but a lot of it is misunderstood, while Newark doesn't seem to be heading anywhere different. Both of those two are pretty close, but I have more sympathy for Detroit. Cincy, NO, STL, Philly, and ATL have their bad sides, but isn't as bad as a whole. As other, I have to say there are a lot of towns like Gary and Richmond, CA., but I choose Camden, cuz it is the ghettoest city. It's pretty sad it was once prosperous but spending time there, it's like something you see in a book or on tv in some other country. It's pretty bad.

Great Point. :)

This is actually not an easy poll to rank top to bottom IMO, Memphis is pretty bad. Pittsburgh isn't the most ghetto, but it could probably be among the larger ghetto cities, same with a Florida city, Miami and some mid-sized FL towns have some problems too. Phoenix and Las Vegas too, I'm assuming Chi, NY and LA were purposely left off, they're pretty bad in certain areas but proportionately they're not all that bad. It's not easy IMO once you get 4 or so deep.

well i think miami should be added it has liberty city,little haiti and overtown.



why am i asking for miami to be added to a list of ghetto or bad areas?

well i think miami should be added it has liberty city,little haiti and overtown.



why am i asking for miami to be added to a list of ghetto or bad areas?

You want Miami so just vote "other" on poll list.

Miami isn't much ghetto so just like 20%.

Totally Cincinnati that place is bombed I dont know how people live there. :)

I gotta give Buffalo an honorable mention here. A giant chunk of the city is ghetto. It's very sad that so much of the city is hurting right now and yet so little is being done about it. As much as I miss the sports and the food, there's always enough about Buffalo to remind me of why I chose to leave.

I gotta give Buffalo an honorable mention here. A giant chunk of the city is ghetto. It's very sad that so much of the city is hurting right now and yet so little is being done about it. As much as I miss the sports and the food, there's always enough about Buffalo to remind me of why I chose to leave.

That's pretty sad.

I rather to live in out of Detroit (Suburb) like Oakland/Macomb County but city of Detroit is NO WAY!!! :cheers:

Yeah Buffalo is another one.

I'd say Gary, Indiana is more ghetto than any of these cities.

Philadelphia gets my vote. I was completely overwhelmed with the expansiveness and age of its ghettos the first time I visited.

Philadelphia gets my vote. I was completely overwhelmed with the expansiveness and age of its ghettos the first time I visited.

Philly's New Jersey neighbor, Camden, is the worst that I've ever seen, and I've seen the nasty parts of the Bronx, Brooklyn, Chicago, DC, Newark, Cleveland, and LA.

I think the Western and Southern ghettos dont look as bad as ones in the Great Lakes region or the Northeast. The ghettos of Detroit, Camden, Philly, Chicago...etc just look nasty...

Yeah, ghettos come in different ways. You look at the type in southern cities like Memphis and NO and they're different then the ones in more urban cities. But I agree with anti, Camden is the worst I've ever seen.

Philly's New Jersey neighbor, Camden, is the worst that I've ever seen, and I've seen the nasty parts of the Bronx, Brooklyn, Chicago, DC, Newark, Cleveland, and LA.

Camden is awful. However, the stretch between the Airport and downtown is just about as bad. The first time I visited, I got off the plane, drove 95 to downtown, took the Franklin Bridge to Camden. What a first impression! I thought, "God, please don't let my car break down". The next time i visited, I thought I would drive up to Trenton, thinking "surely this will be nicer". It's a little better, but not much. Finally, I drove out west and found some nicer neighborhoods. The pictures of downtown Philly are nice, but there is some seriously scary real estate all around it.

Nah, North Philly is the worst part of Philly right now, W. used to be and Camden is worst than all Philly, and it's worse than Gary too.

Wait, what is the point of this? Is it just to kick at the cities that are down, right now? I never got the point of these type of threads. BTW, I'm aware how the word ghetto is used now, but you're ultimately asking which of these cities is the most black (in a negative way). I'm sure you weren't thinking of poor whites, as well, when you thought up this idea.

Agreed that is what I dont like about the term ghetto these days....that is why I made the little joke about my hometown below. Ghetto is used as a suburban teen term now to describe a place that is less than their suburban funtowns that are chock full of stucco and siding and panera bread. One persons ghetto can be another persons home where they feel completely safe. I am not trying to be a sensationalist or anything, but sometimes now I feel that anything that isnt gleaming with shine or people that work in banks people consider 'scary' or 'ghetto'. And yes to conclude my rant people dont call white trash trailor parks ghetto, there are usually a large concentration of blacks that live 'in the ghetto'.

My definition of ghetto is relatively simple. Decay and crime. I don't care if the people in that neighborhood are urbanites, suburbanites, rich, poor, black, white, or purple. Decay and crime are what make a neighborhood ghetto. And under that definition, suburbs can EASILY become ghetto. No doubt about that.

Detroit's ghettos are overrated. The city has more than enough middle and upper class neighborhoods to counteract the inner-city ghettos. It probably neither has the highest percentage of ghettos (that title probably belongs to Gary, Camden, or Newark) nor the most extensive ghettos (that title probably belongs to Chicago, New York, or LA). It's just somwhere in the middle. It covers a big area, yet still has a large amount of areas that could be referred to as a "ghetto".

Granted, a stable middle-class black neighborhood would probably be considered "ghetto" to white suburbanites...

My definition of ghetto is relatively simple. Decay and crime. I don't care if the people in that neighborhood are urbanites, suburbanites, rich, poor, black, white, or purple. Decay and crime are what make a neighborhood ghetto. And under that definition, suburbs can EASILY become ghetto. No doubt about that.

Most definitely. I think most cities are seeing some inner ring suburbs becoming "ghettofied". Those are even worse than urban ghettos because it's almost pointless rehabbing the area unless you raze it all and start from a blank slate...which in many cases seems to be by putting in a big box or strip mall.

Agreed that is what I dont like about the term ghetto these days....that is why I made the little joke about my hometown below. Ghetto is used as a suburban teen term now to describe a place that is less than their suburban funtowns that are chock full of stucco and siding and panera bread. One persons ghetto can be another persons home where they feel completely safe. I am not trying to be a sensationalist or anything, but sometimes now I feel that anything that isnt gleaming with shine or people that work in banks people consider 'scary' or 'ghetto'. And yes to conclude my rant people dont call white trash trailor parks ghetto, there are usually a large concentration of blacks that live 'in the ghetto'.

hey I work at Panera Bread
:sleepy:

LOL PANERA BREAD IS GOOD!! buuut usually in sterile neighborhoods :-). Anyways:

Ghetto : A section of a city occupied by a minority group who live there especially because of social, economic, or legal pressure.

In school when we learned what ghetto meant it was an area that was repressed and mostly inhabited by african americans.

Thats like everyone saying that 'oh that place is so barrio' (inhabited by poor mexicans) LOL. Or even for that matter oh ... dont go there that area is so Chink. LOL doesnt seem right does it. Let go of pop culture and use english and say hey that area doesnt look so nice and it looks like it is in need of funding or rehabilitation :-).

Detroit's ghettos are overrated. The city has more than enough middle and upper class neighborhoods to counteract the inner-city ghettos. It probably neither has the highest percentage of ghettos (that title probably belongs to Gary, Camden, or Newark) nor the most extensive ghettos (that title probably belongs to Chicago, New York, or LA). It's just somwhere in the middle. It covers a big area, yet still has a large amount of areas that could be referred to as a "ghetto".

Granted, a stable middle-class black neighborhood would probably be considered "ghetto" to white suburbanites...

LA is no longer for become more ghetto, it have been lasted in 1980s for Inglewood.

South Central LA have been changed into ghetto since 1950s and 1960s. It is much better now than before.

I agree with the assessment about LA. But yeah, Detroit is changing more than Newark or Camden, so I don't consider it as bad. I got to Michigan and I'm in the Detroit area, so I know what's goin on there and there are some nice things goin on there very much like DC is. So I have sympathy. There are cities in much worse condition.

where's Camden? god that place is a sh*thole.

NJ across the bridge from Philly.

Baltimore gets my vote. To the tourist who never leave downtown and the Inner Harbor area it seems like a vibrant, happening city. But the residential areas are generally a train wreck with a level of abandonment thats right up there with Detroit.

^Totally disagree. Baltimore does have plenty of slums, as do ALL major cities, but I would hardly conclude that "the residential areas are generally a train wreck with a level of abandonment thats right up there with Detroit." Baltimore's residential neighborhoods are generally fine and very livable. It also has some of the best urban neighborhoods in the country. I also disagree with your reference to Detroit. Detroit has serious problems, yes, but the city has many outstanding, stable neighborhoods.

A thing that pisses me off is that there are a lot of people out there who see a lot of black people and freak out, like they must only be in horrible neighborhoods. There are tons and tons and tons of very healthy and viable black neighborhoods all over America.

All cities need work. Even chicago, New york and yes LA. The only city I say that needs the least work is Boston. But then again it is a lot smaller than those other cities so I don't know.There is no perfect american city in the US. We all have our downfalls. I agree with JivesSTL. As soon as everyone sees a bunch of black people living in one area, they go ballistic(sp?) and say they never want to come back because theyre "afraid". Its stupid.
Instead of complaining about the cities, why don't you go over there and help it out. Buy propperty or something.If everyone has the same veiw as you like " Oh don't go over there because it ghetto", then guess what? The city will continue to be the same way without much progress.

"If you ain't ever been to the ghetto
Don't ever come to the ghetto
'Cause you wouldn't understand the ghetto
So stay the fuck out of the ghetto"

I am absolutly Flabbergasted that Houston is not on there!!!


hahahaha!

I hate the term ghetto. If we're talking crime and decay I've heard from natives of New York that Newark is pretty bad.

But the residential areas are generally a train wreck with a level of abandonment thats right up there with Detroit.

Detroit is a huge city of nearly 140 square miles. The majority of the West Side (which covers over 60 sq. mi.) is in decent, good, or exceptional condition. There are only a few neighborhoods on that side that have high levels of abandonment, but for every "train-wreck" of a neighborhood on the West Side there is a dozen stable, middle-class neighborhoods. Hell, Palmer Woods in Detroit is probably the wealthiest majority black neighborhood in any major city in the nation. The neighborhood is over 81% black and has a median household income above $110,000.

I've been hearing lots of things about areas in New Jersey. What's going on there? I mean you have Camden, Trenton, Newark, Atlantic City. I don't think I've heard too many nice things about any of those.

Most people on here have mentioned Newark and Camden specifically. What is the deal with these two? Are there lots of gangs there or what? Also, I'm surprised no one mentioned East St. Louis, as it has a higher crime rating than Newark, or Camden. And it has its fair share of abandonment as well.

I would post some pics of all of these areas but I don't know how to put pictures on this board. If anyone can let me know then I will post them.

I've been hearing lots of things about areas in New Jersey. What's going on there? I mean you have Camden, Trenton, Newark, Atlantic City. I don't think I've heard too many nice things about any of those.

Most people on here have mentioned Newark and Camden specifically. What is the deal with these two? Are there lots of gangs there or what? Also, I'm surprised no one mentioned East St. Louis, as it has a higher crime rating than Newark, or Camden. And it has its fair share of abandonment as well.

I would post some pics of all of these areas but I don't know how to put pictures on this board. If anyone can let me know then I will post them.


Camden lacks the funding to put more police on the streets... Everything is run down, unkept, and the there is heavy drug trafficing going on. My Sister owns a house on Westfield ave right off of 30th street in camden. I go with her to collect rent from her tenants, and the whole block is a 4 corner drug zone... The street lights are broke, it's dark and the hustlers have it on lock. It's different from the high crime areas in Philly because the Camden police are no where to be found... Most of Philly's high crime areas have mandatory 24/7 police presence, many of the criminals who would do their dirt in Philly - do it in camden... It's much easier to get away with it... Even the port authority police seem more responsive than camden police... you see them chasin' people accross the bridge quite often...

So are there any plans to help out places like Camden? Or nobody is really doing anything about it? Seems to me like other areas that are better off than Camden could give them some money and help them out in some areas to get back on their feet.

[QUOTE=SChristopher]LOL PANERA BREAD IS GOOD!! buuut usually in sterile neighborhoods :-). Anyways:
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The one I work for...is in a VERY sterile suburb. There is one in Milwaukee near downtown which is in a pretty cool neighborhood on a hill. But Ill agree with you for the most part! :cheers:

So are there any plans to help out places like Camden? Or nobody is really doing anything about it? Seems to me like other areas that are better off than Camden could give them some money and help them out in some areas to get back on their feet.

yeah, the city will soon receive government funding to boost their police department, as of now - the city has been making every effort to beef up their patrol staff - including pulling the officers with the comfy desk jobs and put them in a squadcar... They will eventually implement more high tech crime stat systems in addition to increasing their staff... There are a few developement plans in the works that the city hopes will increase property value and reverse the direction the city is heading... I hope they succeed Camden has to be one of the least successful cities in Camden County...

In the middle-sized city category:St.Clair county, IL, Omaha, NE and Dayton,OH are very ghetto
East Omaha easily beats known ghetto's Camden, New Jersey and Detroit, Michigan
East Omaha has abandoned businesses, apartment buildings, homes and even hospitals all over the place. Omaha has trash all over the streets of the northside. Omaha has massive housing projects, a 300-unit complex near 50th and Mary sits 90% abandoned, Southside projects (at least 500 units) are abadoned for the most part. If that isnt ghetto I dont know what is.

Dayton, Ohio is a also an ugly ghetto for the most part as is St. Clair County, IL

NJ across the bridge from Philly.

i meant in the poll, not geographically

I've been hearing lots of things about areas in New Jersey. What's going on there? I mean you have Camden, Trenton, Newark, Atlantic City. I don't think I've heard too many nice things about any of those.

Most people on here have mentioned Newark and Camden specifically. What is the deal with these two? Are there lots of gangs there or what? Also, I'm surprised no one mentioned East St. Louis, as it has a higher crime rating than Newark, or Camden. And it has its fair share of abandonment as well.

I would post some pics of all of these areas but I don't know how to put pictures on this board. If anyone can let me know then I will post them.

And you know what's great? If it were it's own country, NJ would be the richest nation. Everyone comes to our beaches and they love our cheap gas. The suburbs are nice, we've got good colleges, close to everything and we have a minty fresh scent. The state has some of the best roads and public transit. Aside from the poop cities going on, I think it's a great state.

Oma.........HA!? The ghettoist city in the usa......no way. Plenty of places have boarded up buildings...but that doesnt make it ghetto, it makes it unsuccesful. Its not in the same galaxy as Detroit, Chicago, Camden, Atlanta, Pine Bluff, East St. Louis, LA, Phoenix.....etc.

And you know what's great? If it were it's own country, NJ would be the richest nation. Everyone comes to our beaches and they love our cheap gas. The suburbs are nice, we've got good colleges, close to everything and we have a minty fresh scent. The state has some of the best roads and public transit. Aside from the poop cities going on, I think it's a great state.

This is way off subject, but I was in New Jersey this past summer visiting some family and if I remember correctly isn't it actually illegal for you to pump your own gas in the state? I know some states its considered illegal for you to pump your own gas and I never understood that. I mean when they say 'illegal' do they actually mean you can be fined or arrested for pumping your own gas?

i meant in the poll, not geographically

haha

This is about as dumb a poll as I've seen on a site that is seemingly dedicated to dumb polls. Congratulations

This is about as dumb a poll as I've seen on a site that is seemingly dedicated to dumb polls. Congratulations

Then why did you even bother to leave a comment? You're just contributing to it. Congratulations

Then why did you even bother to leave a comment? You're just contributing to it. Congratulations

What purpose (other than cutting down areas that obviously don't need it) does this thread serve? Honestly, someone, sometime has to call these threads out for what they really are--garbage. This is a productive use of my time in my eyes. That's why I bothered to respond, and will continue to respond, should you continue to make it worth my time.

Wait, what is the point of this? Is it just to kick at the cities that are down, right now? I never got the point of these type of threads. BTW, I'm aware how the word ghetto is used now, but you're ultimately asking which of these cities is the most black (in a negative way). I'm sure you weren't thinking of poor whites, as well, when you thought up this idea.

This is so true. I always wonder what the point of these threads are, except that they end up saying much more about the poster than the city/neighborhood being dissed. When I read posts like this, I envision someone sitting behind the keyboard in his parent's basement in some lily-white suburban sub-division in whatever metropolitan area you care to mention.

I think detroit

This is way off subject, but I was in New Jersey this past summer visiting some family and if I remember correctly isn't it actually illegal for you to pump your own gas in the state? I know some states its considered illegal for you to pump your own gas and I never understood that. I mean when they say 'illegal' do they actually mean you can be fined or arrested for pumping your own gas?

i don't know what the consequences are, but i hatehatehate hate hate hate hate not being able to pump my own gas? why you might ask? cause the people who pump it are rude, stupid, most of the time miserable foreigners, and *slow*. i'd just like to pump my own gas and go. doesn't connecticut have both? i wish we had both.

i believe it's also illegal in oregon. go figure.

I don't know if I'm confused or everyone using the term, "Ghetto" is confused. As far as I know (and webster seems to agree) ghetto is actually an Italian word referring to an area occupied by a particular minority group. It doesn't neccessarily mean "run down" which I think this thread is actually referring to. Chinatown is a ghetto but that doesn't mean all Chinatowns are run down. So for most ghettos, I'll have to say Chicago or New York City. For most run down probably Detroit or Memphis. You know what they say, once your at the bottom there's nowhere to go but up. :naughty:

St. Louis is one big ghetto.

I know it's not on the list but, Beaumont is so ghetto it ain't funny.

St. Louis is one big ghetto.
^And you're one big fucking idiot.

could somebody please define "ghetto" for me?

I was in the "nice" part of camden around Walter Rand Tansportation Center and City Hall and that seemed pretty bad to me. I cant even begin to imagine what the rest of the city is like.

Top 25 most dangerous cities in the US of 2004:
http://www.morganquitno.com/cit05pop.htm

This thread is good for informing people outside the US which cities to avoid.

Has anyone ever been to my city's "ghetto", Hastings Street in Vancouver, BC?
Open dealing of drugs, addicts, homeless everywhere, the whole area is known as Downtown Eastside. But no/very few shootings.

^Bogus source. Crime stats don't mean shit, there are too many inconsistencies and variables to accurately compare cities.

I love how they take the Metropolition Division that is Detroit and call it an MSA. Maybe if you want to compare MSAs you should compare MSAs. It's like comparing apples to oranges. How about adding in the other 2.5 million people that make up the Metro, then we'll see where the Detroit MSA truly ranks.

It may not be accurate, but I think they give a good ballpark as to where the rank relative to other cities. I mean, I think it's easier to say the ghettoest then the safest. I think the error may be +/- 3 or 4 spots or so.

^Disagree. There is no way to accurately pit one city against another when you take for example a sprawling city like Houston or Indianapolis or Phoenix, with hundreds upon hundreds of square miles encompassing the city limits, which include vast expanses of suburban areas vs. a city like St. Louis or Washington, DC, with only less than 70 square miles of 100% urban demographics, urban infrastructure, etc. To really get a clear picture of how dangerous a city is, these tracking agencies need to use a standard radius from which they measure crime. Most violent crimes in any city are concentrated in a few select zip codes, but the larger the physical city limits, the more diluted the crime rates are. Of course the smaller, more condensed urban cities will have higher crime rates than their ultra low density counterparts.

I disagree too, while there is a lot to be done, it's no coincidence that there are plenty of personal accts, experiences, etc. of people that have been around, most of the first places they mention are near the top of these lists, and it's not just the polls changing a person's perspective before visiting. Of any of the large cities, I don't know if there are many more run down than Newark and Detroit among many others. They're without a doubt some of the run-down cities in the US. They're not specific, but you can look at the top 5 or 10 cities and see that those are ghetto as hell, it doesn't matter what place they are whether they're 4th or 1st or whatever. This poll doesn't mean very much to me, b/c I don't think STL should be so high. I don't know how this data is collected, but I don't think a standard radius is a bad idea, ghettoness should be in proportion to the size of the rest of the city though, and if a city has crime, it has crime regardless of how dense it is, and IMO shouldn't be looked at per sq. mile or whatever. Detroit is a pretty spread out city too.

hmmm Newark ???

I'm saying Detroit.

hmmm Newark ???

Well. Just behind to NYC, on across bridge to Newark, NJ so it was very closer to NYC.

I believe in Newark is not ghetto in all area but some area are pretty bad and ghetto.

St. Louis is one big ghetto.

I disagree. St. Louis isn't big ghetto so you need said North St. Louis or East St. Louis.

South St. Louis and West St. Louis is much nicer neigborhood.

http://www.tobyweiss.com

Check out this website about mid-century modern in St. Louis, this mid-century modern is started in 1950s.

Jennings is pretty far to changed into ghetto suburb, it grew so fast in 1950s.

wow Louisville is the 6th Safest in the Nation fpr Major US cities of 500,000 or more and has improved greatly over the last 5 years.

Wait, what is the point of this? Is it just to kick at the cities that are down, right now? I never got the point of these type of threads. BTW, I'm aware how the word ghetto is used now, but you're ultimately asking which of these cities is the most black (in a negative way). I'm sure you weren't thinking of poor whites, as well, when you thought up this idea.

you hit the spot man...i've just been browsing..and I read this thread a couple of days ago..and its still going on why?

^And you're one big fucking idiot.
It's not?

No, it's not.

I'm saying Detroit.

Says someone who's probably never set foot in the city.

No, it's not.
Oh, well that clears that up. I must have been mistaken.

Who are you kidding? It's a shitty ass town. I don't want to talk bad about your baby, I'm sorry, but it is.

I just want to point out that like most people that have voted so far, I think Detroit is #1, not little old St. Louis. That should help you feel a little better.

lol, someone from Charleston, SC calling STL "little." Well it's nice that you know so much about St. Louis. I haven't heard jack shit about Charleston. Is it even listed on maps? :cheers:

And why do you think Detroit is #1?

How is it number #1? Does it have the largest amount of ghettos? No, that title probably belongs to New York, Chicago, or Los Angeles.

Does it have the highest percentage? No, that title probably belongs to Gary, Flint, Camden, or Newark. Hell, I bet cities like Atlanta, Miami, and even St. Louis have a higher percentage of "ghetto" areas than Detroit.

So tell me.. Why do you think Detroit is #1?

My bad, you're not from Charleston, Shuwan. You're from Columbia-- a presumably smaller town than Charleston. Ya'll have a goodnaht now!

Detroit put in proportion, can be considered #1. My idea of a ghetto is slum and rundown shitholes, not neccessarily ONLY economically depressed. "Ghetto" is a visual thing to me.

And I'm from NYC not Charleston or Columbia.

So you're from New York and choose to live in Columbia, SC??? Someone fell off the dumb-dumb tree. :runaway:

btw, I lived in Brooklyn myself.

Something's wrong with you Jive. Is this where you come to vent? The internet? Last question, I don't want this thread to degress to a mud slinging match. Let's let these people have their discussion.

Let's not forget this insightful, intelligent remark:
St. Louis is one big ghetto.
^That was brilliant.

Something's wrong with you Jive. Is this where you come to vent? The internet? Last question, I don't want this thread to degress to a mud slinging match. Let's let these people have their discussion.

Fine, Feel free. Come meet us in St. Louis now.

You will say St. Louis isn't bad city at all time.

St. Louis is SO gross I went there once for some...spaghetti and I think it is just a big giant nasty hole, its just sick all the people that wait, like someone had once put it *look poor* and just yuck its no wonder people are fleeing for other fabulous places....

End joke, I have wanted to go to STL for quite some time now. For people that dont whore statistics around I think STL looks to be a very neat city. lots of great architecture and culture and food apparently as I have seen its eateries often featured on the food channel and the travel channel. I even watched an expose` on it the other day, the history is incredible so why dont you move on and say that uhh... Kittys Bum Arkansas is most ghetto and let those people deal with your bad self!

Poor Spelling and miss keystrokes courtesy of Delta Airlines for Ruining my computer ... THANKS DELTA may you live on to prosper...bastards

everyone loves ghetto places

Detroit put in proportion, can be considered #1. My idea of a ghetto is slum and rundown shitholes, not neccessarily ONLY economically depressed. "Ghetto" is a visual thing to me.

"Ghetto" is a visual thing to you, yet I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you've never once laid eyes on the city...

Yeah you're right. I've never been there or even seen it, yet here I am saying it's pretty ghetto. I love to talk out of my ass just to piss people like you off.

Yeah and what is up with all this talk about which city is more ghetto than the next? A sudden obsession with the ghetto. You people doing research so you can do something about it, or is this just another attempt to degrade someone else's hometown? You don't give a fuck.

Essentially threads like this should be closed upon opening .. yet sometimes they slip through the cracks and people post in them... because they are so tempting, hey you opened it and posted some great things ... were ya drunk?

By The Way, in the future if anyone wants to open one of these types of threads just remember Detroit or STL will always come in first with Cincinnati or Cleveland Trailing .... And Midwest City X coming in 5th.

Essentially threads like this should be closed upon opening .. yet sometimes they slip through the cracks and people post in them... because they are so tempting, hey you opened it and posted some great things ... were ya drunk?

By The Way, in the future if anyone wants to open one of these types of threads just remember Detroit or STL will always come in first with Cincinnati or Cleveland Trailing .... And Midwest City X coming in 5th.

It's okay to have a sensible discussion about "Ghetto communities", it becomes an annoyance when people talk about it like it's a haunted house that they drive through and then return to their Peachy keen lifestyle. every city has a ghetto. And if people really cared about what goes on there, they would know that there are alot of hard working people who live in these blighted communities. Crime and drugs continue to plague these areas, but there are always people in the community fighting for positive change... "You ever heard of the rose that grew from the crack in the concrete?".. Pay attention and you'll hear of many... :cheers:

btw, You can't knock STL - the city is one of the realest... Real people, poor or rich, you can't beat the character of that city... IMO the beautiful architecture, culture, and food come second in a list of reasons to visit the city... The people are first... Real talk :cheers:

How could anyone vote for B'ham? Birmingham is beautiful, hilly, and green. It has it's bad parts, by I 75, but when you go deeper it's great!

Philly's not ghetto. You guys just aren't street-smart.

Camden, SE Washington, and parts of St. Louis are ghetto.

Philly's not ghetto. You guys just aren't street-smart.

Camden, SE Washington, and parts of St. Louis are ghetto.


Philly as a whole is not ghetto, but you have to admit there are ghettos within the city... Just like any other big city. Oh yeah, SE DC was some shit back in the day... "aye young, yousa bamma" haha

Yeah man, the riots came then crack got big, wow. All the cities with large black populations had it bad. Not even all of SE is bad, the Capitol and Senate office buildings are in SE, and much of it isn't all that developed like near the waterfront. Once you cross the river and you're in Anacostia it gets bad. I don't think SE even then is as bad as Camden now. Camden is more run down IMO han Gary when it was the worst. Camden as a whole is the worst I've seen in any other city. SE DC, N. or W. Philly, E. Detroit are all bad, but aren't bad enough put the city as one of the ghettoest IMO, it has to be the whole city more or less.

Camden's more like an inner city neighborhood type of bad than a Gary, Youngstown or E. STL

The latter three are violent ghostowns.

Yeah that's true, all the areas except for Y'town you see a lot of potential, that's the part tragic, yet part hopeful feeling I get about all of them. Gary is a semi-urban ghostown where Camden is urban, populated but in bad shape, there is a difference I agree. I didn't know till the other day that the Rand Bus station was the nice part, that's not good.

Camden's more like an inner city neighborhood type of bad than a Gary, Youngstown or E. STL

The latter three are violent ghostowns.


True, but I guaruntee that you'll get shot just as fast if you get too curious in either city... I almost got popped in camden(recently) - and that wasn't cool...

u wanna see a hood? go to north end hartford and see wuts good. u may wanna wear a vest cuz peepz get shot every nite in da north

I love st. louis it's my hometown but they have some serious problems and my old neighborhood was not very safe.

Yea, Detroit does kinda take the cake here...St. Louis is bad, but Detroit is bad bad bad...it takes nothing from the city, but it does kinda give it a bad rap.

u wanna see a hood? go to north end hartford and see wuts good. u may wanna wear a vest cuz peepz get shot every nite in da north

Guns for English gammer...lol

Atlanta is the ghetto of all ghettos.

u wanna see a hood? go to north end hartford and see wuts good. u may wanna wear a vest cuz peepz get shot every nite in da north

sure buddy. surrreeee

Try living in Englewood neighborhood (On Chicago's Southside) for a week. Over 700 murders have occurred there since 1996. Actually today there are only a few thousand people left, and developers ar posied to "gentrify" it with in the next 10 or 15 years.

The ghetto of all ghettos IMO is Gary Indiana and East St. Louis Illinois.

Personally, I don't feel that it matters. It's sad that people are arguing about what city is the most ghetto, yet most of you probably haven't seen it past what's on TV. If you've really been there besides just driving through it you'd know it's a very sad situation. But yet again, it's suburban white kids who are half the reason why "gangsta" rappers like 50 Cent and Snoop Dogg are so successful today.

Try living in Englewood neighborhood (On Chicago's Southside) for a week. Over 700 murders have occurred there since 1996. Actually today there are only a few thousand people left, and developers ar posied to "gentrify" it with in the next 10 or 15 years.

The ghetto of all ghettos IMO is Gary Indiana and East St. Louis Illinois.

I used to live in Englewood on 87th and May back in the day. The murders are the most overeported aspect of the ghetto. Its the little shit like the constant air of depression and anger that lingers around you on a day to day basis, the lack of adequate public services, healthy food, the feeling that your property could be taken at any moment, etc...

From moving to Evanston from the Chi, I get a good picture on how both sides think. It is crazy that these suburban cats have a glamourized picture of how it is, thinking its this constant gun battle/gangfight/drug war, because of rap music. The vast majority of the time shit won't even happen to you. Its strange cause Evanston even has a ghetto.

Where is Englewood gentrifying? That sounds suprising. Its so far from the Loop.

I still think it's Camden.

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Of course detroits gonna get tons of votes thanks to the media....

notice every foreigner here didnt hesitate to pick Detroit :sleepy:

South Detroit is just a ghosttown. So what, ever seen a ghosttown before?

Still, considering that detroits 140 sq mi was the home to about 2 million people, its hard to consider it massive like it once was. ANyway, if your not involved with the drugs here, you wont have to worry about your safety. not to mention the beatiful neighborhoods here...

I used to live in Englewood on 87th and May back in the day. The murders are the most overeported aspect of the ghetto. Its the little shit like the constant air of depression and anger that lingers around you on a day to day basis, the lack of adequate public services, healthy food, the feeling that your property could be taken at any moment, etc...

From moving to Evanston from the Chi, I get a good picture on how both sides think. It is crazy that these suburban cats have a glamourized picture of how it is, thinking its this constant gun battle/gangfight/drug war, because of rap music. The vast majority of the time shit won't even happen to you. Its strange cause Evanston even has a ghetto.

Where is Englewood gentrifying? That sounds suprising. Its so far from the Loop.

Im sure crime is overeported, as it is in Austin as well. Still, Englewood had the highest murder rate in the city (at least back in the 90's).
It's not going to gentrify anytime soon. However, I've read that developers have purchased larges tracts of land, mostly vacant. Englewood is not all that far from Hyde Park or Bridgeport.

I love st. louis it's my hometown but they have some serious problems and my old neighborhood was not very safe.

What was your old neighborhood?

What was your old neighborhood?

riverview section of the nothside st. louis off of bellefontaine road.

Goatman, I remember that as being kind of a pretty neighbhorhood. Nice houses and near the river.

Sweetkisses,

I don't think pulling the race card is a good idea when somebody mentions Atlanta...there are blacks and whites ect ect in all US cities causing crime, poverty and drugs...not one, not the other.

That was a cheap shot at both a fellow forumer and the city of atlanta.

:runaway:

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naw its not exactly what i would call luxury housing but yea there is a serious bloods and crips thing going on there i wouldnt exactly go out for a walk at night or even walk alone in the day.

I used to live in Englewood on 87th and May back in the day. The murders are the most overeported aspect of the ghetto. Its the little shit like the constant air of depression and anger that lingers around you on a day to day basis, the lack of adequate public services, healthy food, the feeling that your property could be taken at any moment, etc...

From moving to Evanston from the Chi, I get a good picture on how both sides think. It is crazy that these suburban cats have a glamourized picture of how it is, thinking its this constant gun battle/gangfight/drug war, because of rap music. The vast majority of the time shit won't even happen to you. Its strange cause Evanston even has a ghetto.

Where is Englewood gentrifying? That sounds suprising. Its so far from the Loop.
Thats the same thing that's been told ever since the 80s. Everybody blames hip-hop for this. Really, those white kids shouldn't blame hip-hop. They should stick to what they're doing and quit trying to follow the leader(the leader being gangsta rappers on TV). The problem really is how the media portrays it, not rap music in itself, because if rap was really reality half these rappers wouldn't be pretending to be gangstas.

Thats the same thing that's been told ever since the 80s. Everybody blames hip-hop for this. Really, those white kids shouldn't blame hip-hop. They should stick to what they're doing and quit trying to follow the leader(the leader being gangsta rappers on TV). The problem really is how the media portrays it, not rap music in itself, because if rap was really reality half these rappers wouldn't be pretending to be gangstas.

Will you stop mentioning "white kids". White suburban kids this, white suburban kids that....guess what? Last time I checked, there were blacks, asians, hispanics and so on who lived in the suburbs.

Not to mention a lot of white suburban kids would rather listen to nails on a chalkboard than a rap album.

Try living in Englewood neighborhood (On Chicago's Southside) for a week. Over 700 murders have occurred there since 1996. Actually today there are only a few thousand people left, and developers ar posied to "gentrify" it with in the next 10 or 15 years.

The ghetto of all ghettos IMO is Gary Indiana and East St. Louis Illinois.



Amen


its got to be East St. Louis, doesn't have a city goverment or police dept.

Amen


its got to be East St. Louis, doesn't have a city goverment or police dept.

Do you know what you're talking about? East St. Louis has both a city government and a police department.

They're just royally dysfunctional and corrupt.

Not to mention a lot of white suburban kids would rather listen to nails on a chalkboard than a rap album.
Nails on a chalkboard? You mean heavy metal? :)

heh. yup.;)

Nails on a chalkboard? You mean heavy metal? :)

Agreed. Most of my friends make fun of me for it, liking rap/hip hop over rock, but I don't know it's just the way I am. :cheers:

lol, someone from Charleston, SC calling STL "little." Well it's nice that you know so much about St. Louis. I haven't heard jack shit about Charleston. Is it even listed on maps? :cheers:


Show your true character here Jive, a typical STL forumer. What a chip you guys have on your shoulder. Fact is, everyone in STL county agrees the city is ghetto, thats why only 300k people live in the actual city now, and the rest of the dumbasses live in vinyl houses in burbs.

Ok, not like that, and I love urbanity and diversity. And I also agree that only North and East STL are ghetto (that is ALL of North STL And East STL that are ghetto mind you). But you have to also think that typical STL people, even urban CWE or Clayton/U city ppl are not moving back into the city because they fear crime.

Despite what you think Jive, you and I think alike. We are urbanists. We love history and people, etc. MOST people do not think like us--they live in suburbs. In "safety." This is fine, and good cities needs burbs and urban elements. But you have to admit if STL was safer and ppl knew it then more people would be moving downtown than currently are, more retail would be going in, and developers would build high rise residential in downtown STL rather than Clayton. Clayton and even the CWE is the traditional center for lovers of urbanity in the STL region to hide from the reality of diversity--racial and economic-- in the city.

Really? I live in STL county and don't think the entire city is ghetto. I do know though that you are nothing more than an ignorant troll.

Really? I live in STL county and don't think the entire city is ghetto. I do know though that you are nothing more than an ignorant troll.


Thats it, the census bureau will always prove dumbasses wrong:

You guys are out of control, and all of STL is SOOOOOOOO woried about being called ghetto or compared to what they deem an "inferior" city that they will resort to whatever name calling possible--so I am resorting to it as well. You asked for it--

Saint Louis Census 2000 Demographic Profile Highlights:
Total population
348,189

CENSUS 2003 (est)
Total population
321,566

So, in 3 years a decline of more than 26k people--WOW.


There is a 96% chance you are black or white in STL, and chances are if you live in the city, you are black:

White
138,467
43.1
Black or African American
170,217
52.9

Median household income (dollars)
30,032 STL
(X)
43,564 US

Population 25 years and over
207,998
100.0
High school graduate or higher
(X)
78.6 STL
83.6% national average
rank
Bachelor's degree or higher
(X)
21.4 STL
26.5% national average


Fact is, most inner cities are SILL declining, despite rejuvenated downtowns. ANother fact is, STL inner city is losing population and is very poor--like many cities. I DARE you to try and argue this.

gych you’re the one calling everyone assholes and please explain to me why the census bureau's estimate for 2004 was 343,279 explain away southerner ! :)

Stupid thread. :runaway:

Gych, you don't know what you're talking about, just shut up. The CWE is probably the most diverse and integrated neighborhoods in the metropolitan area. There are tons of blacks, Asians, Indians and other ethnic minorities living side by side. In my building alone, there are residents from 17 nations, including my next door neighbors, who are from Zimbabwe. Next time you try to make a point, have some real ammo to help you. And even if the city is still in population decline, the fact remains that more investment is taking place in the city limits today than has in the last 30 years, and the city is a much, MUCH better place to live today than it was even 10 years ago. I fully expect you to continue your crusade to make St. Louis look bad, but you really only make yourself look dumb and desperate. Go right ahead....

Thats it, the census bureau will always prove dumbasses wrong:

You guys are out of control, and all of STL is SOOOOOOOO woried about being called ghetto or compared to what they deem an "inferior" city that they will resort to whatever name calling possible--so I am resorting to it as well. You asked for it--

Saint Louis Census 2000 Demographic Profile Highlights:
Total population
348,189

CENSUS 2003 (est)
Total population
321,566

So, in 3 years a decline of more than 26k people--WOW.


There is a 96% chance you are black or white in STL, and chances are if you live in the city, you are black:

White
138,467
43.1
Black or African American
170,217
52.9

Median household income (dollars)
30,032 STL
(X)
43,564 US

Population 25 years and over
207,998
100.0
High school graduate or higher
(X)
78.6 STL
83.6% national average
rank
Bachelor's degree or higher
(X)
21.4 STL
26.5% national average


Fact is, most inner cities are SILL declining, despite rejuvenated downtowns. ANother fact is, STL inner city is losing population and is very poor--like many cities. I DARE you to try and argue this.

Not in LA, Chicago, NYC, Atlanta, Seattle and Denver because they have urban redevelopment in it's inner city and population are rebound.

Agreed. Most of my friends make fun of me for it, liking rap/hip hop over rock, but I don't know it's just the way I am. :cheers:
lol, exactly. I always thought they had me at the part where "Oh they play real instruments." but then I started getting into soul and funk music, and damn, they play the instruments a MILLION times better than rock artists. I mean rock songs are so repetitve, especially with the drums. But man, people like James Brown's drummer....they'll kill ANY rock drummer any day. And hip-hop samples them right, in a creative way. And some producers do play instruments, like RZA and Timboland.

OMG you cant spell CRAP without RAP!!!!!!!!!!!

:jk: nah j/k, i consider myself a hip hop enthusiest.

Los Angeles, no doubt about it!

South florida win this one, The poorest metro area in the country, Way too much homeless and very very poor neighborghood and very dirty.

the whole state of michigan is a ghetto... jk! (Disclaimer: I used to live there)

I found Columbia SC to be very 'ghetto'. In terms of the scale of the blight I would have to say Detroit is the highest. I have not been to the west coast I so know nothing about that.

Yeah, ghettos come in different ways. You look at the type in southern cities like Memphis and NO and they're different then the ones in more urban cities. But I agree with anti, Camden is the worst I've ever seen.


how are they differant? Anyone got pics?

I have been to most major cities and I would have to say the ghetto in Detroit is the worst in terms of size and decay. Obviously most other cities have sizable ghettos/slums, but Detroit has the largest area wise.

After reading through this thread, and many other sources, I've reason to believe that most Caucasian youth see the ghetto as some place where the police are only there every 30 minutes, it's a constant gun battle, there's no schools, drugs are going everywhere, and nobody can survive it.

Little known. Durham, NC. I would say it is the most Ghetto city in the Southeast outside Atlanta. 99% of the time when you here about crime in the news in the Triangle, It is either in the Southeast area of Raleigh. or virtually anywhere in Durham. Also. Somebody mentioned the difference in Ghetto's between regions. I know what it is. The ghetto's in Southern and Western cities have always been ghettos. most of thm anyways. They are either housing projects, like the Peech Creek one near my old house in SE Raleigh, or, they are other older neighborhoods that were built for the poor decades ago. Small, small houses, that were never built very well, and are now decayed and deteriorated. In the Northeast and Great Lakes. The ghetto's, are formerly nice neighborhoods, that were essentialy abondoned by their original residents when they moved to the suburbs. Because there was no heavy demand for that certain area of the given city, the property values wen't down, and lower income families moved in, didn't take care of them, and it the cycle continued. That is the reason that, in my opinion, the Northeastern and Midwestern "ghetto"s are sadder to see. Because you know that it used to be a nice neighborhood with less crime. And usually, they are houses that were nice, with great architecture and charecter. but are now decayed. Fortunetly, in many NE nad MW cities, this patern is starting to reverse, and the old neighborhoods are starting to be reborn. As they are sprawling out and building more and more new neighborhoods in the South and West, and leaving their ghetto neighborhoods as they are, and always have been. The Northeast and Midwest are restoring and conserving and bringing life back into what is already there. Take your pick.

What really disturbs me alot about this site sometimes is people having opinions about places they've never been or lived in. Why are so many people also fascinated with gentrification? I understand it can be healthy for a neighborhood but it seems to me that most of the time its mentioned on the site w/ the intention of totally renovating a neighborhood and moving out the people who've lived there for years and have worked hard trying to maintain aspects of what it is to live in a community. When you live or grow up in whatever you want to call the ghetto, you don't think of it that way at all.

and about st. louis, I've never been there but from what i've read about the metrolink it seems like it really gave that city one of the boosts it really needed, you can't lose when you invest in transit thats for sure. (what are the headways like on the metrolink?)

After reading through this thread, and many other sources, I've reason to believe that most Caucasian youth see the ghetto as some place where the police are only there every 30 minutes, it's a constant gun battle, there's no schools, drugs are going everywhere, and nobody can survive it.

Dude what the hell is your obsession? You are startin to sound like Blink182. Every post you write is about "young white males". Try stayin away from the "race card" for awhile, cause that shits gettin old.

I'd say Gary, Indiana is more ghetto than any of these cities.

he's right ya know...others behind Gary are Chicago,Detroit,and Memphis

Dude what the hell is your obsession? You are startin to sound like Blink182. Every post you write is about "young white males". Try stayin away from the "race card" for awhile, cause that shits gettin old.
Only difference between me and that dude is that I'm speaking the truth. Deny it all you want, but it's been tried and true. And plus, all Blink talks about is how Mexicans are gonna steal whatever job he's gonna get and how they're gonna take over California and some shit like that.

DETROIT!

ATLANTA!

You are so ignorant, but not funny at all.

Ironic, I would have said the same about your comment...

He was even more ignorant for following it.

Only difference between me and that dude is that I'm speaking the truth. Deny it all you want, but it's been tried and true. And plus, all Blink talks about is how Mexicans are gonna steal whatever job he's gonna get and how they're gonna take over California and some shit like that.

No, not everything you say is true. You talk about "white people this, white people that" "White people think this....White people do that" It gets annoying. Guess what? White people have grown up in the ghettos too, it's not just black and hispanics as you seem to think. And guess what? Not all "white youths" as you would say think that there are shots ringing out every second of the day and that you can not survive in the ghetto. So no....what you say is NOT true.

BigDan35, didn't you ge the memo. Everything in black America is misunderstood by "the whites". We have no idea what we are talking about at all ever when it comes to bad neighborhoods. WE used to live there and WE (those of us alive today, not the actual generations that left), so therefore, the fact that the neighborhoods deteriorate is all OUR fault. I can't believe that you didn't know that!

ATLANTA!

Atlanta is ghetto and proud, just watch BET.

^^^ :sleepy:

just, :sleepy:

BET is the reason we hate Atlanta...

You are no better than Detroit, so quit acting all high and mighty

Atlanta is ghetto and proud, just watch BET.
:) That's a joke right? No please, my dad lives in ATL, I love ATL, but f*ck BET. I hate that fuckin channel now, just a bunch of dressed up white dudes they say "hey, the urban youth like to watch music videos all day! Lets play the SAME DAMN videos over and over and over, watch our ratings go WAY high!" and every show is like some bootleg stepchild of something on MTV(except the syndications, which for some reason feel like the same ones all the time).

:) That's a joke right? No please, my dad lives in ATL, I love ATL, but f*ck BET. I hate that fuckin channel now, just a bunch of dressed up white dudes

There you go again. Talkin about white people. Get a fuckin life.

There you go again. Talkin about white people. Get a fuckin life.
No, it's the truth. BET is owned by Viacom. I really doubt anybody but some dressed up white dudes run it. And if you don't believe me, you get a fuckin life. People are just afraid of the truth. If you for some reason still don't believe, here's the company profile: http://www.answers.com/Viacom

No, it's the truth. BET is owned by Viacom. I really doubt anybody but some dressed up white dudes run it. And if you don't believe me, you get a fuckin life. People are just afraid of the truth. If you for some reason still don't believe, here's the company profile: http://www.answers.com/Viacom

You talk like you always speak the truth. You speak bullshit. You said that most white people think the ghetto is a place that you can't survive and that shots are ringing out every second of the day. First of all...that was completely irrelevant. People here were talkin about which city is the most ghetto and then all of a sudden out of nowhere you bring up white people and say "After readin this I think that most white people believe....." white people had nothin to do with what the topic originally was about.

Secondly....you still haven't acknowledged what I said. I said that white people have grown up in the ghetto too. And hardly "most" white people think that the ghetto is a place that no one can survive. You make it sound like all white people know absolutely jackshit about it and that all white people are the typical "suburban rich whites" which is complete bullshit. The ghetto is not just blacks and hispanics....no matter how much you think it is.

I have been to Detroit, Buffalo, Chicago/Gary, and countless other cities on that list. But if we are talking about crime and fear, the city I felt most afraid for my life in was Los Angeles, without question. Worst city I have ever been to.

It depends what you mean by ghetto. If you been just poor areas with a lot of crime and poverty, then I'd go with Detroit, maybe. I don't know. You could make a claim for a lot of places.

But if by ghetto you mean has a lot of people who like to pretend they're gangstas and walk around with gold teeth and gold chains to show off how "hard" of a life they think they've had, than I'd have to say Atlanta, with Miami not far behind. I've found that it's typically in the wealthier cities that you'll find people who act the most "ghetto".

Detroit & Gary ( Indiana )

Newark ( Part of the NYC Metro area ) is getting fixed up, I would live there, infact I was looking at some real estate in the Bricks. :gunz:

Lets get real, NYC is the worst - i cant believe it got a free pass & is not on this poll .... Harlem, South Bronx, parts of Brooklyn.... notorious crime & poverty stricken areas

^ If we were living in the 60's-70's and even perhaps the 80's then I would agree with you.

Lets get real, NYC is the worst - i cant believe it got a free pass & is not on this poll .... Harlem, South Bronx, parts of Brooklyn.... notorious crime & poverty stricken areas

You obvioulsy have either never been to NYC or not been since 1993.

LA sucks. Cant believe it isnt on the list, oh wait, look who made the list. ;)

But no, my vote would go to LA. Easily

^^ I agree. L.A. is pretty bad. It should be on the list over most of those cities. In fact I think only Camden and Gary come close to LA, and neither are on the list.

^Are you people for real?? i work in the ghetto in LA and the look and feel of it is no where near NYC, Gary, Baltimore or most of those cities.

NYC has done a good job of ways to cover up their ghettos recently, although they may not be any less dangerous. It's far from the 70's to the early 90's.

Gych, you don't know what you're talking about, just shut up. The CWE is probably the most diverse and integrated neighborhoods in the metropolitan area. There are tons of blacks, Asians, Indians and other ethnic minorities living side by side. In my building alone, there are residents from 17 nations, including my next door neighbors, who are from Zimbabwe. Next time you try to make a point, have some real ammo to help you. And even if the city is still in population decline, the fact remains that more investment is taking place in the city limits today than has in the last 30 years, and the city is a much, MUCH better place to live today than it was even 10 years ago. I fully expect you to continue your crusade to make St. Louis look bad, but you really only make yourself look dumb and desperate. Go right ahead....

I dont think you read the census stats...look again. STL is not diverse because it is not a big city in the true sense of the word--sorry, it isnt. The CWE integrated? Sure, a little but compared to WHAT--the all white regions of west County? Look at the city stats again and then try to convince me that having 96% of your population as black or white is "diverse."

Also, I dont doubt that there are multiple ethnicities in your building. My gf lives in a 17 floor apartment bldg in Louisville with hookers, rich people, thugs, students, gays, whites, blacks, indians, asians, hispanics etc. Despite this, it does not make my city "diverse." I realize and can admit this. You cannot.

I have nothing against STL. I visited thsi weekend and enjoyed it. But I have a problem when STL forumers play it up like some "big city" better than many of its Midwest peers.

Look at the census stats and get back to me...and census.gov only posted 2003 estimates, so that is why I put those. Until I see 2004, that is what I am going with.

LA sucks. Cant believe it isnt on the list, oh wait, look who made the list. ;)

But no, my vote would go to LA. Easily

You got that right. LA has the most gang activity of any city. Think about it. what are the two most infamous gangs in probably the world? The "bloods" and the "crips". Guess where both of those gangs started? Los Angles. Also, the super dangerous and ever growing MX-13 gang started in El Salvador. And now has it's biggest American "branch" or whatever you would call it in.....YOU GUESSED IT. Los Angeles. I would have voted for it too.

You are so ignorant, but not funny at all.

I don't think atlanta is the most ghetto I was just mocking your retarded comment.

Camden in New Jersey. My Cousin-in-law lives there or lived there. Haha! I haven't had contact with him in ages. Camden get's my vote for top 3 most ghetto in the US.

^Are you people for real?? i work in the ghetto in LA and the look and feel of it is no where near NYC, Gary, Baltimore or most of those cities.

Don't worry, I agree with you about LA isn't most ghetto in the nation.

Downs, RocGuy and kavok is just ignorant and mocking at LA but they want revenage make LA residents look mad. If LA is most gang members in the nation then LA is very larger city and alot more population, 99% of people in LA isn't gangs member. Just same followed to LA County. LA is extremely too far away to being ghetto and not compared that what like in Detroit, Camden, Gary, Bronx and Baltimore. MS-13, Crip, Blood and Latino gangs are can be find in anywhere, not only in LA.

Don't worry, I agree with you about LA isn't most ghetto in the nation.

Downs, RocGuy and kavok is just ignorant and mocking at LA but they want revenage make LA residents look mad. If LA is most gang members in the nation then LA is very larger city and alot more population, 99% of people in LA isn't gangs member. Just same followed to LA County. LA is extremely too far away to being ghetto and not compared that what like in Detroit, Camden, Gary, Bronx and Baltimore. MS-13, Crip, Blood and Latino gangs are can be find in anywhere, not only in LA.

I never said that any of those gangs were exclusive to LA, but they do have the largest number and percentage of them. And if LA only has the most gang members because it is such a big city.....New York is double LA's population. But, LA still has the higher number of gang members, so there goes that theory. Also, we don't have to make LA look bad, it does that itself. Revenge? Revenge for what? You make no sense LA lover!

lol, I just realized that LA lover made this thread. No wonder his beloved dumptown isn't on here. If he added Newark for the NY metro (justifiably in my opion), why doesn't Compton make the list?

Rocguy, Compton isn't most ghetto and rundown that what like in Camden and Gary do. Most Apartment and single family housing in Compton is good condition, not crumbling like what found in Camden or Gary. Compton has huge gangs issue, not just for ghetto or rundown. I don't care if there's record about most gangs member in the nation but gangs population in LA is 1%, just followed to LA County. You just want revenged to make LA residents look mad. I'm not going argue with you, just ignore you for good.

LA is like Vegas; murderous neighborhoods, gang infested, but the streets are alwys paved, the buildings are in good condition, little to no vacancy... all that jazz.

LA Lover, a "ghetto" isn't necessarily a neighborhood that is rundown or abandoned. A "ghetto" is a neighborhood where the residents are primarily low-income, and unemployment, drugs, and crime run rampant.

And to think that there aren't hundreds of neighborhoods around the Los Angeles area that don't fit that bill is insane. I'm sorry, but I'll take the abandoned neighborhood in Detroit (where crime is virtually non-existant) to the gang-controlled neighborhoods that dot the L.A. metro.

Camden (NJ), Gary (Indiana)


What about Newburgh NY ? I haven't been there that much, but I think it's kind of ghetto, not sure.

LA Lover, a "ghetto" isn't necessarily a neighborhood that is rundown or abandoned. A "ghetto" is a neighborhood where the residents are primarily low-income, and unemployment, drugs, and crime run rampant.

And to think that there aren't hundreds of neighborhoods around the Los Angeles area that don't fit that bill is insane. I'm sorry, but I'll take the abandoned neighborhood in Detroit (where crime is virtually non-existant) to the gang-controlled neighborhoods that dot the L.A. metro.

100 neighborhoods of LA are ghetto, that's ignorant though. Only bad neigbhorhood are found in South LA and some part of East LA, not compared to Detroit that what contains alot of rundown and crumble buildings in Detroit area. I'm sure that Detroit has gangs issue, just not too many that what like in LA but Detroit has higher crime rate than LA does. Said again, LA is too extremely far away to being ghetto.

100 neighborhoods of LA are ghetto, that's ignorant though. Only bad neigbhorhood are found in South LA and some part of East LA, not compared to Detroit that what contains alot of rundown and crumble buildings in Detroit area. I'm sure that Detroit has gangs issue, just not too many that what like in LA but Detroit has higher crime rate than LA does. Said again, LA is too extremely far away to being ghetto.

You are ridiculous. You are a liar too. Los Angeles does have ghetto areas whether you admit it or not. I'm not praising them but I just get pissed off when I see you constantly lying and lying "LA is far from a ghetto" There are no areas in LA that are too ghetto. Yea...right. Go to parts in East LA and South LA...those are ghetto so stop denying it. Maybe they aren't as ghetto as some other places...but that doesn't mean they are not ghetto themselves....now does it???

Also to Rocguy and some others...Gangs are not the only thing found in ghettos. This topic asks strictly "Which city is the most ghetto" So for you to say "Oh well Los Angeles has the most gangmembers and the worst gang crime in the US" doesn't necessarily make it the "worst" ghetto in the US...just the city with the worst gang crime.

lets be honest here.

LA has many, many rough neighborhoods. To say the city doesnt have that much of a ghetto is bordering on insanity.

I also find it amusing how people are not naming NYC, Chicago, Philly, Balitmore, or Miami. Everyone keeps saying NYC isnt the same NYC as it was in the 70's or 80's...as if to imply that its paradise. Explain then the 600-700 murders every year in NYC?

^ If you were to be in New york in the 70's and 80's and then look at it now, you would say the same thing.
Every city has bad areas, some worst then others.

You are ridiculous. You are a liar too. Los Angeles does have ghetto areas whether you admit it or not. I'm not praising them but I just get pissed off when I see you constantly lying and lying "LA is far from a ghetto" There are no areas in LA that are too ghetto. Yea...right. Go to parts in East LA and South LA...those are ghetto so stop denying it. Maybe they aren't as ghetto as some other places...but that doesn't mean they are not ghetto themselves....now does it???

Also to Rocguy and some others...Gangs are not the only thing found in ghettos. This topic asks strictly "Which city is the most ghetto" So for you to say "Oh well Los Angeles has the most gangmembers and the worst gang crime in the US" doesn't necessarily make it the "worst" ghetto in the US...just the city with the worst gang crime.

What hell are you talking about? for example that some cities are too far to being ghetto that has ghetto in some area, not more area are ghetto what like in Detroit, Newark, Camden, Gary and other cities. LA is just looking like Chicago, NYC and Houston. That's means for too far to being ghetto is just like ghetto in some area. That's fine if you call me lie then I know that you did lie to thing before, that's fair for calling you are lying though. You are so ill and I have going add you to ignore list permanetly. No more argue with me.

Okay then, sure then, NYC and those other cities have their bad areas. It's true that it's not like the 60's - 70's with hordes of gangs and other bads hanging out on each corner in many neighborhoods like my uncle once told me. I thought you guys meant ghetto, as in a real ghetto, meaning run down and shit like that. I've seen other cities with run down blocks, areas, ect. NYC is not run down as it once was at some locations of the city. And yes, StormShadow is from East New York in Brooklyn, New York City, known to be a rough area. Philly ain't that bad and also Los Angeles or Chicago. I've seen cities that look like total dookie, smaller cities in this country of ours.

Camden (NJ), Gary (Indiana)


What about Newburgh NY ? I haven't been there that much, but I think it's kind of ghetto, not sure.

storm, newburgh is rough in some parts, but if you want to see it on a bigger scale in the same area go across the river to poughkeepsie or beacon

Okay then, sure then, NYC and those other cities have their bad areas. It's true that it's not like the 60's - 70's with hordes of gangs and other bads hanging out on each corner in many neighborhoods like my uncle once told me. I thought you guys meant ghetto, as in a real ghetto, meaning run down and shit like that. I've seen other cities with run down blocks, areas, ect. NYC is not run down as it once was at some locations of the city. And yes, StormShadow is from East New York in Brooklyn, New York City, known to be a rough area. Philly ain't that bad and also Los Angeles or Chicago. I've seen cities that look like total dookie, smaller cities in this country of ours.

I agree with you

You talk like you always speak the truth. You speak bullshit. You said that most white people think the ghetto is a place that you can't survive and that shots are ringing out every second of the day. First of all...that was completely irrelevant. People here were talkin about which city is the most ghetto and then all of a sudden out of nowhere you bring up white people and say "After readin this I think that most white people believe....." white people had nothin to do with what the topic originally was about.

Secondly....you still haven't acknowledged what I said. I said that white people have grown up in the ghetto too. And hardly "most" white people think that the ghetto is a place that no one can survive. You make it sound like all white people know absolutely jackshit about it and that all white people are the typical "suburban rich whites" which is complete bullshit. The ghetto is not just blacks and hispanics....no matter how much you think it is.

Sorry, but I've never seen a white ganster. The only white people that go around killing people is the mafia. But they are not "ghetto."

And yes, most white people are under the impression that gheto neighborhoods are places of complete and utter chaos. Which is, for the most part, true.

You are ridiculous. You are a liar too. Los Angeles does have ghetto areas whether you admit it or not. I'm not praising them but I just get pissed off when I see you constantly lying and lying "LA is far from a ghetto" There are no areas in LA that are too ghetto. Yea...right. Go to parts in East LA and South LA...those are ghetto so stop denying it. Maybe they aren't as ghetto as some other places...but that doesn't mean they are not ghetto themselves....now does it???

Also to Rocguy and some others...Gangs are not the only thing found in ghettos. This topic asks strictly "Which city is the most ghetto" So for you to say "Oh well Los Angeles has the most gangmembers and the worst gang crime in the US" doesn't necessarily make it the "worst" ghetto in the US...just the city with the worst gang crime.

What does LA have to do with it? It is nowhere near as bad as ghetto areas in Detroit and other American cities.

The problem here is that LA is a MUCH bigger city than Detroit, so it has a big ghetto area and more gang members, yes, but comparitive to the entire population, the ghetto scene is tiny.

So the claim, "LA is far from ghetto" is pretty much true, because it is not cluttered with Ghetto like Detroit is. Compared to the land that it covers, LA has a very small ghetto scene.

^You have no idea what you are talking about.

Its probably Camden or Gary, but how come they are not on the list? Los Angeles has many horrible neighborhoods, including some that remind of the worst slumbs of Tijuana, but compared to the images of other metros like Detroit they seem quite bening. Perhaps it is my impression, but the greater the "fall of grace" of a city, the greater that city will be maligned by the rest of the nation (Detroit, Gary).

^You have no idea what you are talking about.
Then why don't you explain to me what I'm talking about? Prove me wrong! Or is it because you don't quite like the sad truth of the matter. I've been to LA many times buddy, I live near LA. I've also been to Detroit. So I think I would know what I'm talking about.

Buffalo is pretty bad, but nothing can be done. Albany wants to hurt it more then help it. There is some optimism here though, and many development projects underway.

The city is pretty clean though aside from the east side. It's not a big enough problem to encourage me to move away.

Its probably Camden or Gary, but how come they are not on the list? Los Angeles has many horrible neighborhoods, including some that remind of the worst slumbs of Tijuana, but compared to the images of other metros like Detroit they seem quite bening. Perhaps it is my impression, but the greater the "fall of grace" of a city, the greater that city will be maligned by the rest of the nation (Detroit, Gary).

You've got it. The bigger you were the harder you fell. Detroit get's the attention it has because it's fallen farther than any other city regardless of where it hit the bottom. At one time, it was the overall wealthiest big city in the nation.

To demonstrate, there were parts of the Bronx, at one time, that were worse than Detroit now could ever hope to be. But New York never fell as far, and always had the convience of being one of the world's major cities.

Ugh, just the fact that Philly has any votes makes me sad....

I hear East St. Louis Il is real big peice of shit.

Sorry, but I've never seen a white ganster. The only white people that go around killing people is the mafia. But they are not "ghetto."

And yes, most white people are under the impression that gheto neighborhoods are places of complete and utter chaos. Which is, for the most part, true.

Well this is an ignorant post of you. By your account you think that ALL people who live in a ghetto are "gangsters"?? I said there are white people who live in ghettos too and you say "sorry but I've never seen a white gangster". Just because you live in the ghetto doesn't mean you are a gangster. Good job...ignorant.

I think you are off- topic. We are not discussing whether ghettos are good or bad, and the bad people in the ghetto are the gansters, so I think my comment was completely appropriate.

Ugh, just the fact that Philly has any votes makes me sad....
Dont worry. Theyre the ones missing out on this fantastic city of ours;)

Here is the intresting thing though.

Camden, Gary, Compton, East St. Louis, South Bronx, Newark...etc. are all attached to some other major city ie. NYC, Philly, Chicago, L.A...etc. So when you guys say NYC, Chicago, L.A., or Philly arent ghetto, you arent taking into account other cities or areas that are in your metro. You cant tell me these cities themselves arent ghetto considring their sky high yearly murder numbers. Sure NYC or Chicago may not be one big ghetto...but its areas that are ghetto account for alot of people...more than most major cities total city population.

Here is the intresting thing though.

Camden, Gary, Compton, East St. Louis, South Bronx, Newark...etc. are all attached to some other major city ie. NYC, Philly, Chicago, L.A...etc. So when you guys say NYC, Chicago, L.A., or Philly arent ghetto, you arent taking into account other cities or areas that are in your metro. You cant tell me these cities themselves arent ghetto considring their sky high yearly murder numbers. Sure NYC or Chicago may not be one big ghetto...but its areas that are ghetto account for alot of people...more than most major cities total city population.

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That makes no sense.

It would be saying that our country is stupid because of how many morons we have. Well, with a greater population, we have a greater number of morons. I would rather live in a penthouse apartment in Park Avenue than a ghetto city as Detroit is. Yeah, there are probably more ghettos in NY, but, there are also more nice areas too.

By your logic, I should stay from the shithole that is Milwaukee, because it only has a couple of good neighborhoods, whereas as NYC has many. Just as idiotic as this sounds, so is trying to argue the "well, they are more ghetto because they have more people in ghettos" argument.

lets be honest here.

LA has many, many rough neighborhoods. To say the city doesnt have that much of a ghetto is bordering on insanity.

I also find it amusing how people are not naming NYC, Chicago, Philly, Balitmore, or Miami. Everyone keeps saying NYC isnt the same NYC as it was in the 70's or 80's...as if to imply that its paradise. Explain then the 600-700 murders every year in NYC?

You are aware that NYC is one of the safest big cities in the country, right?

Why don't you give murder rates in Milwaukee and then we can figure out PER CAPITA who has the highest murder rate.

Let's say India has 1,000 murders a year, but the US has 900. It does not matter that India has more deaths, but in terms of risk of not being shot, it is several times higher in the US than in India.

This is a little old and from the tourist board of NYC (thus a potential conflict of interest), but it purports to quote an FBI study showing that NYC was THE safest big city with a population over 1 million in the country.

New York City is the safest big city in the country, according to a report from the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The FBI’s 2002 "Crime in the United States" indicates that while crime increased nationwide, New York City’s crime rate actually decreased 5% to the lowest level since the 1960s. In addition, the city’s murder rate dropped 9.6% in 2002 to reach the lowest level since 1963.

The FBI’s ranking of New York City as the safest large city in the United States means that, of all American cities with populations of 1 million or more, New York City has the lowest rate of total crime committed.

"These statistics are terrific news for New York City’s visitor industry," said NYC & Company President & CEO Cristyne L. Nicholas. "With winter approaching, millions of people and families from around the world will consider a trip to New York City to see its many magical holiday attractions. New York City is one of the world’s foremost family destinations and these new FBI crime reduction figures reinforce what a safe place it is to visit."

http://www.nycvisit.com/content/index.cfm?pagePkey=1091

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That makes no sense.

It would be saying that our country is stupid because of how many morons we have. Well, with a greater population, we have a greater number of morons. I would rather live in a penthouse apartment in Park Avenue than a ghetto city as Detroit is. Yeah, there are probably more ghettos in NY, but, there are also more nice areas too.

By your logic, I should stay from the shithole that is Milwaukee, because it only has a couple of good neighborhoods, whereas as NYC has many. Just as idiotic as this sounds, so is trying to argue the "well, they are more ghetto because they have more people in ghettos" argument.

Whoa, whoa, whoa my friend relax! You dont need to take shots at my city. I consider NYC, along with London the greatest cities on the earth. However, to evade the fact that NYC has problems is borderline looney. If its so safe...then why are there constantly 550-600 murders a year? I know its going down and percentage wise the city is that safest but 600 murders a year is still very high compared to the other Western world cities--ie. London, Sydney, Toronto, Paris, etc. I also am not implying that NYC is one big ghetto. I just dont like when people sit there and make the city out to have no crime problems at all.

You can combine Milwaukee, Detroits, and some other Rust Belt cities yearly homicide number and it will come out to about the same as NYC.

You are aware that NYC is one of the safest big cities in the country, right?

Why don't you give murder rates in Milwaukee and then we can figure out PER CAPITA who has the highest murder rate.

Let's say India has 1,000 murders a year, but the US has 900. It does not matter that India has more deaths, but in terms of risk of not being shot, it is several times higher in the US than in India.

yes we all know that...but like I said in the other post, NYC has 600 murders a year. Thats a big number for a city of its stature, importance, and power in the world. Milwaukee has its problems...dont get me wrong. We are in the top ten (almost top 5) for both homcide rate/poverty rate and are leaders in teenage pregancy, high school dropouts, and racial segregation. Ask anyone who has been here and they will probally tell you the place is really nice and cool. However, like every big city...it has its rough areas. NYC being a much larger city has a much larger ghetto. Thats all Im saying here.

Just to tickle ya pink Redd XD

THURSDAY, Dec. 5, 2002, 6:07 a.m.
MILWAUKEE'S MURDER RATE

How exactly does Milwaukee’s murder rate compare to other major cities? Chief Art Jones continually cites the decline in the overall number of murders in the city, but he ignores comparative numbers.

Among the nation’s 25 largest cities, Milwaukee has the 6th worst homicide rate. Only Detroit, Washington, D.C., Baltimore, Memphis, and Chicago have a higher per capita rate of homicide.

Milwaukee’s murder rate of 21.27 killings per hundred thousand compares with New York City’s murder rate of 8.1 murders per hundred thousand; Boston’s rate is about 11 murders per hundred thousand.

Worse, Milwaukee’s decline in murders in recent years is much smaller than the declines posted by other major cities. The 25 largest cities saw an average drop of 24.7% in murders between 1996 and 2000. Some major cities saw much bigger declines: New York’s murder rate dropped 31.5%, Boston saw a 33.9% decline, even Washington D.C. saw murders fall 41.6%.

In stark contrast, Milwaukee’s murder rate dropped by only 6.9%.

http://www.620wtmj.com/620programs/charliesykes/weblog.asp?id=8&entry=800

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Redd, I agree. People from NY can be some of the most biased people on earth in relation to completely ignoring the problems of our city.

That withstanding, I will return to which is "most" ghetto. For me a city is "most" ghetto if it fulfills nearly all the characterisitcs of a ghetto, such as a high crim RATE, a high RATE of high school drop outs, a high unemployment RATE. RATE in this instance means that it is useless to compare raw numbers to compare a city from the rustbelt with NYC. You have to take into account population.

Now, I do not mean to knock Milwaukee, but I would call it a ghetto before NYC, precisely because it exhibits a higher murder RATE than NYC, and thus is closer to being "most" ghetto. I don't know about you Redd, but knowing that if Milwaukee were the same size of NYC it would have over 2000 murders a year, i.e., 5-6 people a day, that would scare me!

Redd, I agree. People from NY can be some of the most biased people on earth in relation to completely ignoring the problems of our city.

That withstanding, I will return to which is "most" ghetto. For me a city is "most" ghetto if it fulfills nearly all the characterisitcs of a ghetto, such as a high crim RATE, a high RATE of high school drop outs, a high unemployment RATE. RATE in this instance means that it is useless to compare raw numbers to compare a city from the rustbelt with NYC. You have to take into account population.

Now, I do not mean to knock Milwaukee, but I would call it a ghetto before NYC, precisely because it exhibits a higher murder RATE than NYC, and thus is closer to being "most" ghetto. I don't know about you Redd, but knowing that if Milwaukee were the same size of NYC it would have over 2000 murders a year, i.e., 5-6 people a day, that would scare me!

I would never call NYC a ghetto city...due to it having Manhattan, as well as the other boroughs that are rapidly improving. Sorry if thats what you think I was getting at. What I was trying to mean was that NYC was no stranger to these same problems that Detroit has. If someone ever dares mention NYC and Crime...they are immediatly attacked. Its rapidly improving, yet large areas of ghetto still exist in NYC though. I live pretty close to these nasty parts of Milwaukee, yet I would never step foot in some of the shitty parts of Brooklyn, Bronx, or Southside Chicago.

Those figures you posted about my city are pretty grim. 2000 murders a year is Bogota like. However, all this stuff going on is pretty much in one area of the city (the northside). You can go downtown or various other areas of the city, and like NYC...are very nice. A truly ghetto city would be one were these nice areas dont exist, because the whole city is bad. Thats why I think these kinds of polls are stupid because no city exists like this in the U.S.

A truly ghetto city would be one were these nice areas dont exist, because the whole city is bad. Thats why I think these kinds of polls are stupid because no city exists like this in the U.S.

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Very well put. It would be better if no city had ghetto areas, but, unfortunately, that is not what we have now.

BTW Redd, is the northside gentrifying? The rougher parts of even Manhattan, whose names attest to it (Hell's Kitchen, Meat Packing District) are becoming very fashionable places to live in now. Even the Village a couple of decades ago was a village, and now is one of the more expensive parts of the city.

PD: Don't worry about insulting me. It is more fun to debate with someone who has the balls to make an argument as opposed to skirting around the issue. Just be aware that I will do the same. ;)

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Very well put. It would be better if no city had ghetto areas, but, unfortunately, that is not what we have now.

BTW Redd, is the northside gentrifying? The rougher parts of even Manhattan, whose names attest to it (Hell's Kitchen, Meat Packing District) are becoming very fashionable places to live in now. Even the Village a couple of decades ago was a village, and now is one of the more expensive parts of the city.

PD: Don't worry about insulting me. It is more fun to debate with someone who has the balls to make an argument as opposed to skirting around the issue. Just be aware that I will do the same. ;)

thanks! :cheers1:

I think parts of the northside can get better. There is an area called Brewers Hill which used to be pretty bad and borders bad areas...but is now the hottest real estate area in the city. It has alot of nice old houses that are being reviltalized to their former glory. I also have seen a new condo building in one of the rougher neighborhoods which must be a good sign.

Our most evident formerly bad area turned good is the Third Ward. What used to be a pretty run down warehouse and industrial area is now one of the nicest, expensive urban neighborhoods in the city.

Yeah, I like a good argument too. Dont really get into many round these parts...thats why I am in the UK Skybar alot! :)

Just to tickle ya pink Redd XD



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Redd, I agree. People from NY can be some of the most biased people on earth in relation to completely ignoring the problems of our city.

That withstanding, I will return to which is "most" ghetto. For me a city is "most" ghetto if it fulfills nearly all the characterisitcs of a ghetto, such as a high crim RATE, a high RATE of high school drop outs, a high unemployment RATE. RATE in this instance means that it is useless to compare raw numbers to compare a city from the rustbelt with NYC. You have to take into account population.

Now, I do not mean to knock Milwaukee, but I would call it a ghetto before NYC, precisely because it exhibits a higher murder RATE than NYC, and thus is closer to being "most" ghetto. I don't know about you Redd, but knowing that if Milwaukee were the same size of NYC it would have over 2000 murders a year, i.e., 5-6 people a day, that would scare me!

If I were to alienate a section of the Bronx and refer to it as NYC, imagine the crime rate. And by that same token, if Milwaukee were to annex all of its suburbs and some of Chicago's North suburbs, boosting its population to 8 million, it would be about 100 murders for the whole city. However, just like NYC, Milwaukee has vibrant areas that are safe, it would be another issue if it was like Gary where the downtown is collapsing and high-crime also.

Using rates is deceiving. It is true that when taking into account the entire population of New York that the rates are significantly lower than most other large american cities. However, you can't deny that New York has some areas that could be described as a "ghetto". The only difference is that New York is lucky enough to have areas of extreme wealth to counteract the areas of extreme poverty.

For instance, if Detroit annexed it's inner-ring suburbs to form a city of 2.5 million in an area of 516 sq. mi., the murder rate would drop to less than 18 murders per 100,000 residents. That would put Detroit behind Dallas when it comes to the murder rate.

Using rates, it would then be assumed that Dallas is worse off, when in reality Detroit has a very low murder rate in some parts of the city and a very high murder rate in other parts of the city.

If I were to alienate a section of the Bronx and refer to it as NYC, imagine the crime rate. And by that same token, if Milwaukee were to annex all of its suburbs and some of Chicago's North suburbs, boosting its population to 8 million, it would be about 100 murders for the whole city. However, just like NYC, Milwaukee has vibrant areas that are safe, it would be another issue if it was like Gary where the downtown is collapsing and high-crime also.

Your argument is flawed in several respects.

1) New York City may have 100 years ago been the equivalent of a city annexing its suburbs, but it sure as hell is not now. If Milwaukee were to annex its suburbs, that is exactly what it would be doing. This does not create a city, it just creeates an endless sprawl of suburbia with none of the urban character of New York City. New York City however is a cohesive urban unit.

2) The Bronx is not a suburb that NY annexed, at least not now it is not. There was no vast conspiracy to drop crime rate figures by annexing the outer burrows. If anything, if Manhattan made itself a smaller city, then Manhattan would be a very safe city then.

3) If NY were to do what you are proposing that Milwaukee would do, then the crime rate would drop even lower. By extending a net from dowtown Milwaukee in a similar manner in NYC, you would come up with likely 20+ million people living in this new "Greater New York" which would STILL have a lower crime rate than this "Greater Milwaukee"

Using rates is deceiving. It is true that when taking into account the entire population of New York that the rates are significantly lower than most other large american cities. However, you can't deny that New York has some areas that could be described as a "ghetto". The only difference is that New York is lucky enough to have areas of extreme wealth to counteract the areas of extreme poverty.

For instance, if Detroit annexed it's inner-ring suburbs to form a city of 2.5 million in an area of 516 sq. mi., the murder rate would drop to less than 18 murders per 100,000 residents. That would put Detroit behind Dallas when it comes to the murder rate.

Using rates, it would then be assumed that Dallas is worse off, when in reality Detroit has a very low murder rate in some parts of the city and a very high murder rate in other parts of the city.

What's the point. Its Detroit's fault for buidling a white flight metropolitan area that leads to such segregation and income inequality that crime rates increase. Again, if New York were to annex its suburbs, the crime rate of the safest big city in America would still be very low. This is precisely why as a city Detroit is more ghetto than NY, and why if I were choosing to live in a CITY, not a metropolitan area as the thread title suggests, I would not move to the City of Detroit.

And it is great that New York is the safest big city in America! But that doesn't mean there aren't "ghettos" in the city still.

And it is great that New York is the safest big city in America! But that doesn't mean there aren't "ghettos" in the city still.

THIS IS NOT WHAT THE QUESTION IS ASKING.

I acknowledge that ghettos exist in NYC. In Detroit, however, you have less ability for neighborhoods within the city to counteract the rougher areas. But at least in NYC you have many parts that make the city on average less ghetto, such as Park Slopes, Upper East Side, Upper West Side, Midtown East, Midtown West, the Village, Lower Manhattan, Gramercy Park, Murray Hill, SoHo, Tribeca, Park Slope, Brooklyn Heights...........

And if we were to annex the metropolitan area, then the percentage of ghettos would be even less. My only point is that the Detroit metropolitan area does not equal the same as the entire city of New York. New York is a cohesive city, not a small downtown core and the inner ring of subrubs, like most "cities" in this country.

What hell are you talking about? for example that some cities are too far to being ghetto that has ghetto in some area, not more area are ghetto what like in Detroit, Newark, Camden, Gary and other cities. LA is just looking like Chicago, NYC and Houston. That's means for too far to being ghetto is just like ghetto in some area. That's fine if you call me lie then I know that you did lie to thing before, that's fair for calling you are lying though. You are so ill and I have going add you to ignore list permanetly. No more argue with me.

That honestly makes absolutely no sense. I can't even begin to piece it together so I won't even try arguing my point to you anymore.

I think you are off- topic. We are not discussing whether ghettos are good or bad, and the bad people in the ghetto are the gansters, so I think my comment was completely appropriate.

But it wasn't appropriate. I said "White people live in ghettos too"

You responded with "Sorry, but I've never seen a white gangster" basically implying that any person who lives in the ghetto is a gangster which is completely untrue. You said the bad people in the ghetto are the gangsters...okay but then what are the good people? Not gangsters. So why don't you stop relating ghetto to gangster because there are many people who live there who are far from it.

Im sorry but bigdan is right. Not all people who live in the ghetto are bad. Maybe you need to put the movies aside for a while.

I'm sure eveyone does know this, but people aren't using the word "ghetto" right at all these days. It was started as a term used for the sections of Europian cities where the Jews were "held" until they were sent to the concentration camps. Noadays, ghetto seems to mean that a neighborhood has houses with broken windows and somebody got shot there once.

^Wow I learn something new everyday. I mean I know people arent using the word properly but I didnt know how the word came from Europe.

I'm sure eveyone does know this, but people aren't using the word "ghetto" right at all these days. It was started as a term used for the sections of Europian cities where the Jews were "held" until they were sent to the concentration camps. Noadays, ghetto seems to mean that a neighborhood has houses with broken windows and somebody got shot there once.

Well I think the meaning of the word has kind of changed over time. Nowadays a "ghetto" is a place with run-down dilapidated buildings, boarded up windows, high crime rate, high poverty. So I think the word "ghetto" IS being used correctly.

^^^ :sleepy:

just, :sleepy:

BET is the reason we hate Atlanta...

You are no better than Detroit, so quit acting all high and mighty

Atlanta is wayyyyyyyyyy better than Detroit. ( I could keep going on with the y's but it would be pointless because i'm already right )

How could BET be the reason you hate Atlanta? I was referring to the number of Black artists from Atlanta reppin their hoods in their music videos as ghetto as they are.

Atlanta is wayyyyyyyyyy better than Detroit. ( I could keep going on with the y's but it would be pointless because i'm already right )

How could BET be the reason you hate Atlanta? I was referring to the number of Black artists from Atlanta reppin their hoods in their music videos as ghetto as they are.

It's those southern, or more specifically ATL "artists", that are destroying hip-hop and everything it stands for.

Atlanta isn't that far ahead of Detroit...

High School Graduation Rate (2000)
Atlanta - 76%
Detroit - 70%

Median Family Income (2000)
Atlanta - $37,000
Detroit - $34,000

Unemployment Rate (2000)
Atlanta - 9.0%
Detroit - 7.8%

Poverty Rate (2000)
Atlanta - 24%
Detroit - 26%

Vacancy Rate
Atlanta - 10%
Detroit - 10%


Violent Crime Rate (2003)
Atlanta - 2,000 crimes per 100,000 residents
Detroit - 2,000 crimes per 100,000 residents

Property Crime Rate (2003)
Atlanta - 8,900 crimes per 100,000 residents
Detroit - 6,900 crimes per 100,000 residents

It's those southern, or more specifically ATL "artists", that are destroying hip-hop and everything it stands for.


exactly. havin those dumb****s on BET reppin they' city hard is no accomplishment...

who wants to have their city represented by lil jon, ciara, ludacris etc., who try to make their city look more like a ghetto ****hole than it really is, because of course, whoever lives in the roughest ghetto has the braggin rights... am i right? :bash:

Ciara made Atlanta look good in her video ( "Oh"), as well as Ludacris and JD's "Welcome To Atlanta Video" Let's rephrase ghetto with crunk in this case, but it is still ghetto. And Atlanta rappers are not destroying hip hop. See Yall northernors and Midwestees are just hatin because The south is takin over.

Ciara made Atlanta look good in her video ( "Oh"), as well as Ludacris and JD's "Welcome To Atlanta Video" Let's rephrase ghetto with crunk in this case, but it is still ghetto. And Atlanta rappers are not destroying hip hop. See Yall northernors and Midwestees are just hatin because The south is takin over.

LOL, with artists like Lil Webbie, Ying Yang Twins, David Banner, Young Buck, Paul Wall etc. etc. the South would be lucky to take over Montana's rap scene. :lol:

You're kidding yourself man, sure, a lot of artists rep the south, but remember, it's quality over quantity.

Your argument is flawed in several respects.

1) New York City may have 100 years ago been the equivalent of a city annexing its suburbs, but it sure as hell is not now. If Milwaukee were to annex its suburbs, that is exactly what it would be doing. This does not create a city, it just creeates an endless sprawl of suburbia with none of the urban character of New York City. New York City however is a cohesive urban unit.

2) The Bronx is not a suburb that NY annexed, at least not now it is not. There was no vast conspiracy to drop crime rate figures by annexing the outer burrows. If anything, if Manhattan made itself a smaller city, then Manhattan would be a very safe city then.

3) If NY were to do what you are proposing that Milwaukee would do, then the crime rate would drop even lower. By extending a net from dowtown Milwaukee in a similar manner in NYC, you would come up with likely 20+ million people living in this new "Greater New York" which would STILL have a lower crime rate than this "Greater Milwaukee"

1 - The suburban city is a problem to be addressed, but one that doesn't really pertain to this discussion, as there are only about 12 urban cities in the states to begin with.

I disagree with you on #3, outside the city of Milwaukee, there is very little crime at all, NYC on the other hand has Newark, Elizabeth, Yonkers, etc. But that doesn't really matter, on to my next point.....

Personal safety cannot be judged by a series of stats, nor can people living in ANY large American city say that they are truly safe. As long as we have this attitude, nothing will change. Its like someone with a gangrenous, festering sore looking at another person with a larger one saying "well, I'm in good health because their wound is larger". The fact that statistics say that NYC is "safe" holds no weight to the people of Bed-Stuy, Harlem or Newark.

Well, I think there are guys in the south that have had good contributions to hip hop, it's this crunk shit that is messing up hip hop.

Hip hop is just messed up right now in a lot of ways, in the sense that you almost have to come out with that club banger if you're new just to keep your job.

I like Luda and T.I., but almost everyone else related to crunk stinks.

I'm surprised Memphis and Cleveland haven't got more votes.

Okay I hate crunk as well. But to be more specific. I hate the style of crunk that is in the mainstream today. There are some lyrical rappers that is involved with crunk. A couple are from Atlanta. Many are from Memphis where the sound orginated which goes way back. The new sound that you hear out of Atlanta is just garbage.

Ciara made Atlanta look good in her video ( "Oh"), as well as Ludacris and JD's "Welcome To Atlanta Video" Let's rephrase ghetto with crunk in this case, but it is still ghetto. And Atlanta rappers are not destroying hip hop. See Yall northernors and Midwestees are just hatin because The south is takin over.

How did Ciara make Atlanta look good in that video with that stupid song? JD's welcome to atlanta made Atlanta look good? No, OUTKAST makes Atlanta look good. Nothing JD has ever done, except make so so def mixtapes, has made that city look good. Hell many of those rappers that you say are reppin Atlanta are not even from Atlanta. Seems to me like you're bragging that these rappers made atlanta look "ghetto".

Michigan, I have to disagree with you on Luda. He has skills and he has potential but plays around on his cds which makes it unlistenable. I liked his first two cds but his latest two were horrible.

I disagree with you on #3, outside the city of Milwaukee, there is very little crime at all, NYC on the other hand has Newark, Elizabeth, Yonkers, etc. But that doesn't really matter, on to my next point.....

I really have no idea why you mentioned Yonkers as havin a lot of crime.

Yonkers crime rates are safer than the national average in almost every category:

Auto Theft
Larceny
Assault
Burglary
Rape

Yonkers overall crime rate is well below the national average. So why again, did you mention Yonkers as havin lots of crime?

Okay I hate crunk as well. But to be more specific. I hate the style of crunk that is in the mainstream today. There are some lyrical rappers that is involved with crunk. A couple are from Atlanta. Many are from Memphis where the sound orginated which goes way back. The new sound that you hear out of Atlanta is just garbage.



How did Ciara make Atlanta look good in that video with that stupid song? JD's welcome to atlanta made Atlanta look good? No, OUTKAST makes Atlanta look good. Nothing JD has ever done, except make so so def mixtapes, has made that city look good. Hell many of those rappers that you say are reppin Atlanta are not even from Atlanta. Seems to me like you're bragging that these rappers made atlanta look "ghetto".

Michigan, I have to disagree with you on Luda. He has skills and he has potential but plays around on his cds which makes it unlistenable. I liked his first two cds but his latest two were horrible.

When did I ever mention Ludacris? I guess I made a pretty general statement saying ATL rappers but Ludacris is an exception, I too was very dissapointed with his latest 2 albums, but Incognegro, Word of Mouf, and Back for the First Time were all great.

I guess I'll change my statement to the majority of ATL/dirty south rappers.

memphis, i cant hate on their rap scene. Three 6 Mafia spawned many of the south rappers styles today

houston has tons of talents (scarface, Z-ro, Chamillionaire, UGK) along with some cancers (mike jones, lil flip)

atlanta is the most overrated rap scene ever, i hope it blows over soon (bright spots = outkast, T.I aint bad, Luda is great is you forget C@B and RLD, etc)

Atleast when the midwest comes out with something (which aint very often since everyones eyes are on the south), theres talent involved (Common, Bone Thugs N Harmony, Kanye, Eminem, Clipse)

When did this thread become a comparison of rappers?

Yeah, Texas Boi, I agree about Ludas last two, but I more meant that I like T.I. and Luda in their abilities as rappers, they do get carried away, but they have the talent. A lot of others have just mismashed words together with their 50 word vocabularies.

And Three Six I like too(throw 8 Ball and MJG in that too), the fact that they've been in the game for a while and they didn't just jump in and ride the wave, I can respect, they did pioneer something at least, they were creative, but I don't want to see this style as the prevalent style that comes to ppl's heads when they think about hip hop.

Ciara made Atlanta appear good ( skyline, etc. )
Welcome to Atlanta was a great video, I don't kno what you are talking about. This argument in a million against one and only one is right ( me dumbass ), so get back on topic and respect your superiors.

Yea why don't you guys stay on topic. You have like 2 full pages now where all you're talkin about is rappers and who is better, when that clearly has nothin to do with the topic at hand.

yea, lets go back to talking about which city is the bigger shithole... :drool:

^ yeah, we should, because that is what the thread is supposed to be about. If you want to talk about who has the best rap scene, go into the skybar forum!

I know it's my opinion, but I think the thread has pretty much run it's course anyway, there's like 4 or 5 cities that stake equal claim at this dubious honor, beyond that, it's like whatever.

Yeah, Three Six is great, One Hitta Quitta has one of the best beats I've ever heard.

yea, lets go back to talking about which city is the bigger shithole... :drool:

Believe it or not...it's interesting to some people to learn more about every aspect of a city...not just the really high-class rich neighborhoods. You don't like it? Then leave with your smartass comments.

Believe it or not...it's interesting to some people to learn more about every aspect of a city...not just the really high-class rich neighborhoods. You don't like it? Then leave with your smartass comments.

your right. Everyone here likes to talk about the high end condo bulidings...but in reality, most of the popualation lives the regular houses.

Ciara made Atlanta appear good ( skyline, etc. )
lmao@ this
Welcome to Atlanta was a great video, I don't kno what you are talking about. This argument in a million against one and only one is right ( me dumbass ), so get back on topic and respect your superiors.
Welcome to Atlanta was nothing but a fuckin tour guard little kid. Nothing spectacular about the song. If you're happy about that. Then ok do you. You're the one who got this off topic in the first place so i suggest you follow your own advice child.

memphis, i cant hate on their rap scene. Three 6 Mafia spawned many of the south rappers styles today

houston has tons of talents (scarface, Z-ro, Chamillionaire, UGK) along with some cancers (mike jones, lil flip)

atlanta is the most overrated rap scene ever, i hope it blows over soon (bright spots = outkast, T.I aint bad, Luda is great is you forget C@B and RLD, etc)

Atleast when the midwest comes out with something (which aint very often since everyones eyes are on the south), theres talent involved (Common, Bone Thugs N Harmony, Kanye, Eminem, Clipse)

Clipse is from Virginia(actually brooklyn) but rep Virginia. I know sometimes it's arguable but they do rep the south on there cd. But there are cancers in the midwest like the ones you mentioned from Houston. Look no furthur than St. Louis with Chingy, Nelly, and sorry ass Jkwon. I do agree with the rest of your post.

Three six mafia is one of the best groups out of the south.
But I hate them dawn Nappyroots they are an embarassment to Kentucky. I mean can't they rep the hoods in west end Louisville or the NewBurg areas, instead of the swampland in western Kentcky.

I know when yall watch their retarded ass videos yall sit and laugh at Kentucky.

Clipse is from Virginia(actually brooklyn) but rep Virginia. I know sometimes it's arguable but they do rep the south on there cd. But there are cancers in the midwest like the ones you mentioned from Houston. Look no furthur than St. Louis with Chingy, Nelly, and sorry ass Jkwon. I do agree with the rest of your post.

ay man what do you have to bring STL up for, shit keep da lou out yo mouf Texan.

ay man what do you have to bring STL up for, shit keep da lou out yo mouf Texan.

YOU mad???:hahaha:....if it comes up again...i'll talk about the lou just for you

Ciara made Atlanta appear good ( skyline, etc. )lmao@ this


:hilarious

This is the stupidest thing I have ever seen on the internet.

What is your definition of "ghetto" so I can keep in the memory bank?