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long foot
February 25th, 2005, 09:20 PM
Well I mean it wont just be a flat board in a field of grass. They're turning it into what will be a very important park.

Just for a comparison: this is Importanne – underground shopping center in Zagreb with a park on the ground. For one shopping center it is very nice, but would you like your concer hall look like this?
http://img150.exs.cx/img150/7545/importane6dh.jpg

MIMICA
February 25th, 2005, 09:20 PM
the building is going to have an underground part, and then 4-5 floors to add onto the underground part so it can be recognized...that is how i understood it. i really think it's going to look good, so we will see. :)

this is what i'm thinking it's going to be like...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/TimurTaljanovic/aufo3.jpg

SaRaJeVo-City
February 25th, 2005, 09:36 PM
the building is going to have an underground part, and then 4-5 floors to add onto the underground part so it can be recognized...that is how i understood it. i really think it's going to look good, so we will see. :)

this is what i'm thinking it's going to be like...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/TimurTaljanovic/aufo3.jpg

Well if it has a 4-5 storie building to it then thats pretty cool, if not then that sucks!...Because they are taking A LOT of Space for this project and if they only make some underground bs concert hall with nothing on top and just grass then thats a waste of our land. PLus we could make like 2 skyscrapers there!

Indexi
February 25th, 2005, 09:38 PM
the building is going to have an underground part, and then 4-5 floors to add onto the underground part so it can be recognized...that is how i understood it. i really think it's going to look good, so we will see. :)

this is what i'm thinking it's going to be like...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/TimurTaljanovic/aufo3.jpg


That is pretty cool, if it is the plan. But if it's going to be a all-underground-hall it is going to suck..

BosRoker
February 25th, 2005, 09:44 PM
Umm, Timur, I'm pretty sure that 4 level building is just the non-ruined part of the parliament complex.

MIMICA
February 25th, 2005, 09:45 PM
Well if it has a 4-5 storie building to it then thats pretty cool, if not then that sucks!...Because they are taking A LOT of Space for this project and if they only make some underground bs concert hall with nothing on top and just grass then thats a waste of our land. PLus we could make like 2 skyscrapers there!

well, i figured it out, either way, it seems to be a nice project to me. i understand that buildings could be built on top, but from what i've seen, cities have parks in their downtowns, and it makes the whole "mood" of the downtown better...either way, i am totally satisfied, because sarajevo is getting a concert hall...:)

MIMICA
February 25th, 2005, 09:46 PM
Umm, Timur, I'm pretty sure that 4 level building is just the non-ruined part of the parliament complex.


i'm pretty sure it isn't since the non-ruined part of the parliment isn't curvy at all, it's just a box...

Singidunum
February 25th, 2005, 09:47 PM
I would love to have underground hall in Belgrade. It would be amazing! Hopefully it will be built in Sarajevo at least if authorities in Belgrade aren`t interested.
But its bad project it roof will be closed and not transparent.

BosRoker
February 25th, 2005, 09:50 PM
i'm pretty sure it isn't since the non-ruined part of the parliment isn't curvy at all, it's just a box...

Yeah.. and the thing you highlighted in that picture is also just a box. I'm pretty sure its just that other part of the parliament building.

MIMICA
February 25th, 2005, 09:50 PM
yeah, ledeni...you may be right about that parliment but i really doubt it. :)

see, the parliment is boxy, it can't be that building...
http://www.geocities.com/marius_ronnett/saraj-parlamentx.jpg

SaRaJeVo-City
February 25th, 2005, 11:42 PM
OKay I just thought about this! If they Make Like 5-20+ storie buildings on the red Circles and a Nice Park were the Concert hall is this could be one of the nicest spots in Sarajevo Down Town! Think About it, Buildings around the Area and a Cool Park in the Corner, It could be something nice!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/fmjam/Question.jpg

The Red Circles I made, are there going to be some kind of buildings? I know its Poslovni Objekti but I was wondering if its like little some nice Buildings! If yes then this whole Underground Concert hall Can change my mind into liking this project!

SaRaJeVo-City
February 25th, 2005, 11:51 PM
Yeah.. and the thing you highlighted in that picture is also just a box. I'm pretty sure its just that other part of the parliament building.

yes I think it actually is the Smaller part of the Parliament Building! Because if you look on the sides it has that Curve and the Windows are just like the Parliament buildings windows!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/fmjam/Parliment1.jpg

BosRoker
February 26th, 2005, 12:01 AM
lol, 5 skyscrapers? Calm down man, this isn't Dubai.

But yes, there's plenty of space if in the future someone wanted to build more towers. I know P2 P4 P5 and P6 pretty well.. I walk on the road on the opposite side of the river every day during the summer. They're all a bunch of abandoned shacks and old buildings. They look like they're from the 1930s. I think they could be easily demolished.

SaRaJeVo-City
February 26th, 2005, 12:11 AM
lol, 5 skyscrapers? Calm down man, this isn't Dubai.

But yes, there's plenty of space if in the future someone wanted to build more towers. I know P2 P4 P5 and P6 pretty well.. I walk on the road on the opposite side of the river every day during the summer. They're all a bunch of abandoned shacks and old buildings. They look like they're from the 1930s. I think they could be easily demolished.


Doesnt have to be SkyScrapers Regular Size buildings like 5-10 floors or so. I know its probably not gonna be buildings but It would be nice! Maybe in like 10 years we will see some nice SkyLine Buildings getting build around there. Well if they make a Garden/park on Top of the Concert Hall You pretty much cant make a Building on top of all that it Would just crash down, Unless the Concert Hall Structure is Really Strong!

SaRaJeVo-City
February 26th, 2005, 12:17 AM
Well the Business Center Should have a decent high Rise, maybe 10-20 floors

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/fmjam/Question.jpg

MIMICA
February 26th, 2005, 12:25 AM
OKay I just thought about this! If they Make Like 5-20+ storie buildings on the red Circles and a Nice Park were the Concert hall is this could be one of the nicest spots in Sarajevo Down Town! Think About it, Buildings around the Area and a Cool Park in the Corner, It could be something nice!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/fmjam/Question.jpg

The Red Circles I made, are there going to be some kind of buildings? I know its Poslovni Objekti but I was wondering if its like little some nice Buildings! If yes then this whole Underground Concert hall Can change my mind into liking this project!


as ledeni said, there are some old buildings that are in that certain area, that can easily be demolished, and make more room. :yes:

i totally agree with you. i would have like that the older buildings were demolished for the bbi commerce centre, but they location they choose was probably better. there is no doubt that the downtown area will be almost finished in the next 5 years. we are already planning the 22 storey building, the bbi commerce centre, the third unitec is most likely going to occur, and of course the parliment will get finished...if you ask me, that is a nice downtown for a city with 500.000 people. :yes:

MIMICA
February 26th, 2005, 12:30 AM
Doesnt have to be SkyScrapers Regular Size buildings like 5-10 floors or so. I know its probably not gonna be buildings but It would be nice! Maybe in like 10 years we will see some nice SkyLine Buildings getting build around there. Well if they make a Garden/park on Top of the Concert Hall You pretty much cant make a Building on top of all that it Would just crash down, Unless the Concert Hall Structure is Really Strong!

the downtown area will certainly be nice and tall, especially at the rate that it's going now.

ledeni is right in some ways, the area around the concert hall probably won't be smart, since who would place a nice concert hall, hidden between some skyscrapers? the bbi commerce centre which is three buildings of 10+ levels should be an excellent location for the concert hall, and it seems that is what is going on. :)

don't worry about any of our towers crashing, if the serbs couldn't knock down the unitecs or the parliment, i'm sure the 10+ buildings aren't going to fall in a regular day...:)

MIMICA
February 26th, 2005, 12:32 AM
i'm pretty sure that they aren't going to build anything below 10 levels in the downtown area, since they really need that space. from all the projects that are being dissussed at the moment, it seems that no more projects in downtown will be bellow that limit. :)

SaRaJeVo-City
February 26th, 2005, 12:37 AM
Good Points Timur, Hey were is the bbi commerce centre located? Is it Around Unis? Also When are they gonna start that 22 Floor SkyScraper, and is it going to be next to the Holiday Inn?

BosRoker
February 26th, 2005, 12:39 AM
Good Points Timur, Hey were is the bbi commerce centre located? Is it Around Unis?

I drew a map a few pages back.. didn't you see it?

SaRaJeVo-City
February 26th, 2005, 12:45 AM
Maybe you should Label this Map with Text for every project its kind of hard to understand what you mean!!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v483/Asim5/downtown.png

if you tell me Exactly were everything goes I will do it!

MIMICA
February 26th, 2005, 12:49 AM
ok, i'll explain...just give me a minute...

BosRoker
February 26th, 2005, 12:50 AM
Well you kind of had to read the post too..

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpost.php?p=3394857&postcount=216

MIMICA
February 26th, 2005, 12:56 AM
well, i guess ledeni beat me to it...

SaRaJeVo-City
February 26th, 2005, 12:58 AM
I did but it still would of been better if you labeled everything but whatever!

MIMICA
February 26th, 2005, 12:59 AM
here is what i just made really quickly with ms paint, concerning sarajevo's skyline after the third unitec gets built, and the parliment building is reconstructed. i forgot to include the 22 story building, but here you are. :)

old-
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/TimurTaljanovic/Sarajevo31.jpg
new-
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/TimurTaljanovic/Skylinemodified.jpg

SaRaJeVo-City
February 26th, 2005, 01:06 AM
That looks really good Timur! Here I edited the map

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/fmjam/Map.jpg

SaRaJeVo-City
February 26th, 2005, 01:10 AM
I added the 22 Storie Building!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/fmjam/Skyline.jpg

MIMICA
February 26th, 2005, 01:13 AM
well, i'm sure that the 22 storey building isn't going to look like another unitec, or that would just make sarajevo the unitec capital of the world! :D anyway's...i think the unitec's are 25 stories, so it'll be pretty close to the unitecs, and make a really nice density...


p.s. - sarajevo-city, logg onto msn messagner...

SaRaJeVo-City
February 26th, 2005, 01:20 AM
LOl imagine this

lol maybe one day in like 2030

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/fmjam/Skyline2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/fmjam/Skyline21.jpg

MIMICA
February 26th, 2005, 01:29 AM
the first picture seems more "correct", but hopefully i'll end up like the second...

got any new renderings of those projects you showed us?

SaRaJeVo-City
February 26th, 2005, 01:35 AM
Not yet, they have them but they are all small am gonna try to find some now!

MIMICA
February 26th, 2005, 01:37 AM
Not yet, they have them but they are all small am gonna try to find some now!


cool, well...hope you find them. :)

SaRaJeVo-City
February 26th, 2005, 02:43 AM
I found some new Sarajevo Pictures
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/fmjam/Slike9.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/fmjam/Slike8.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/fmjam/Slike7.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/fmjam/Slike6.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/fmjam/Slike5.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/fmjam/Slike4.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/fmjam/Slike3.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/fmjam/Slike2.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/fmjam/SLike1.jpg
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This is why they need to re construct alipasino polje, nice buildings but not impressive Facade! A Bomb blew up three floors and it doesnt look nice like that!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/fmjam/Slike0.jpg

Are they Construction more glass Facade Buildings next to the Old Avaz? Because those two new buildings werent there before...Its good because before we only had the avaz building by its self and it wasnt impressive and now we have more glass facade buildings which makes the part stand out!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/fmjam/new.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/fmjam/Slike10.jpg

MIMICA
February 26th, 2005, 02:52 AM
those are some of the old pictures, i mean...when some of the projects were done, they finished the front yard, to make it look nice. that was after the buildings were done, but the area haven't been cleaned up...

SaRaJeVo-City
February 26th, 2005, 02:55 AM
those are some of the old pictures, i mean...when some of the projects were done, they finished the front yard, to make it look nice. that was after the buildings were done, but the area haven't been cleaned up...

What exactly are you talking about? Which Building? :)

MIMICA
February 26th, 2005, 03:04 AM
What exactly are you talking about? Which Building? :)


these...(remember, either you can see a crane somewhere in the photo near the building, or you can still see the dirt they haven't moved)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/fmjam/Slike9.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/fmjam/Slike3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/fmjam/new.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/fmjam/Slike4.jpg

p.s. = sign on msn messanger, and i'll explain more...

SaRaJeVo-City
February 26th, 2005, 03:11 AM
OH! I didnt exactly MEAN "NEW" as in End of Construction I ment like New Pictures! That Havent been seen that type of new! :)

MIMICA
February 26th, 2005, 05:42 AM
anyone find any information on the third unitec lately?

SaRaJeVo-City
February 26th, 2005, 09:17 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/fmjam/BosmalUpdate.jpg

http://www.bosmal.com/images/news/large/2005-02-25-lodje-005.jpg

Postavljaju se ukrasne lođe

Radnici firme "IN" su počeli sa montiranjem pocinčane čelične konstrukcije za ukrasne lođe na fasadi Bosmal City Center-a.

Nakon jednoipomjesečne pauze, uslovljene veoma niskim temperaturama i velikim padavinama, dakle uslovima u kojima se ne smiju obavljati nikakvi građevinski radovi na visini, počela je montaža završnih elemenata fasade.

http://www.bosmal.com/images/news/large/2005-02-25-lodje-002.jpg

Riječ je o final touch-u, zapravo postavljanju konstrukcija za ukrasne lođe, koje se na fasadu montiraju vodoravno. Na njih će se montirati verotek ploče, koje će se potom bojiti u jarku narančastu i zelenu boju, što će osvježiti izgled fasade.

http://www.bosmal.com/images/news/large/2005-02-25-lodje-004.jpg

Ešref Salković, tehnički direktor "IN"-a i glavni voditelj radova na Bosmal City Center-u kaže kako će se lođe postavljati ukupno na sedam etaža:

"Trenutno se montira prva pocinčana čelična konstrukcija za lođe na petom spratu, odmah iznad ulaza u Bosmal City Center. Tu montažu obavljaju dvije grupe montera, dok je još jedna grupa angažovana na radioničkoj izradi konstrukcija za lođe. Naredne sedmice ćemo postići puni tempo montaže i uključićemo još dvije grupe radnika, tako da će na ovim poslovima biti angažovano ukupno 30 ljudi", kaže Salković.

http://www.bosmal.com/images/news/large/2005-02-25-lodje-003.jpg

Do sada je, inače, završeno 90 posto čelične konstrukcije u radionici, dok je polovina pocinčana. Riječ je ukupno o 55 tona čelika koji će se podizati na velike visine. Zbog toga su potrebni povoljni vremenski uslovi.

MIMICA
February 26th, 2005, 09:45 AM
very nice, the bosmal city centre is going to be supurb when it is completed! :)

MIMICA
February 26th, 2005, 09:48 AM
this summer i'm going to take some photos of the bcc area to show how far it's gone, as well as the buildings around it...i actually like the commies around the bcc, they just need to be repainted, and they would look really nice. :)

Anderson
February 26th, 2005, 02:28 PM
OK, guys daddy is home. Give me one good host for images and I will show you mine collection of Sarajevo. Just I don't like long registration.

SpotlessMind
February 26th, 2005, 02:49 PM
OK, guys daddy is home. Give me one good host for images and I will show you mine collection of Sarajevo. Just I don't like long registration.

Your my daddy...

Try photobucket.com

ZAGY
February 26th, 2005, 03:32 PM
Nice Boslmal will be soon constructed

Anderson
February 26th, 2005, 03:40 PM
Plans for Marijin Dvor area Sarajevo. I think one was choosen.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/George5/rajvosa/AE06a.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/George5/rajvosa/CETVRTAO09.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/George5/rajvosa/Cetvrtanova.jpg


Stadium Hrasno Sarajevo will be constructed

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/George5/rajvosa/stnocFULL.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/George5/rajvosa/stdan1.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/George5/rajvosa/stadhras.jpg

Swimingpoll "Otoka" Sarajevo U/C

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/George5/rajvosa/Prva_nagrada.jpg

"Riverina" Master Plan Sarajevo U/C I phase

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/George5/rajvosa/master-plan.jpg

Anderson
February 26th, 2005, 04:26 PM
OK those are projects which were constructed or will be constructed 100% and nobody here doesn't mentioned them.

Ford Sarajevo 3600 m2 (Constructed)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/George5/rajvosa/ford_sarajevo_02.jpg

Robot Commerce Center Sarajevo (Constructed)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/George5/rajvosa/robot3v.jpg

Toyota Sarajevo (Constructed)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/George5/rajvosa/toyota_sarajevo_02.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/George5/rajvosa/toyota_sarajevo_01.jpg

Sirbegovic HQ Sarajevo
This is new project and it will be constructed. Sirbegovic Company is one of the biggest construction company in Bosnia and Herzegovina

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/George5/rajvosa/sirbegovic-sarajevo-01.jpg

Highschool in Sarajevo
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/George5/rajvosa/osnovna-skola-sokolje-01.jpg

Otes Sarajevo (Constructed)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/George5/rajvosa/otes_sarajevo_01.jpg

Interkonsum Shoping Center Sarajevo
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/George5/rajvosa/interkonzum-sarajevo-01.jpg

BosRoker
February 26th, 2005, 04:45 PM
:eek2: the Marijin dvor proposal. That's like quadruplet towers. So... 8 skyscrapers in Marijin dvor (including Energoinvest)? Wow... thanks for the pictures.

Anderson
February 26th, 2005, 04:49 PM
I am not finish.


This object will be combine for business and living and IT IS UNDER CONSTRUCTION near Bosmal City Center. It will be finish this year in July. Constructor: Technograd Tuzla

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/George5/rajvosa/tehno-sarajevo.jpg

SaRaJeVo-City
February 26th, 2005, 05:43 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/fmjam/Sarajevo1.jpg

Anderson that was really a great post about the future construction! Welcome to the Forum!

Galandar
February 26th, 2005, 08:41 PM
I like Sarajevo, it is very fast developing, even BETTER THAN BAKU :)

MIMICA
February 27th, 2005, 03:02 AM
I like Sarajevo, it is very fast developing, even BETTER THAN BAKU :)

don't be silly...baku is like 4 times the size of sarajevo, of course baku will have more development. :yes:

MIMICA
February 27th, 2005, 03:04 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/fmjam/Sarajevo1.jpg

are those four buildings the unitecs? if not, what are they?


anderson, that was probably one of the most informative posts lately! :yes: welcome to the forum, and i hope you stay a LONG time, "daddy"...;)

MIMICA
February 27th, 2005, 03:06 AM
btw, this highschool is really modern and interesting! :yes:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/George5/rajvosa/osnovna-skola-sokolje-01.jpg

ami
February 27th, 2005, 03:08 AM
hotel europa

MIMICA
February 27th, 2005, 03:20 AM
hotel europa?

MIMICA
February 27th, 2005, 03:28 AM
hotel europa?

MIMICA
February 27th, 2005, 05:24 AM
wow, this project is huge. when will it be constructed, has the construction already began? if so, when?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/George5/rajvosa/master-plan.jpg

MIMICA
February 27th, 2005, 05:54 AM
source (http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.vranica.com.ba/slike/prodaja-pp-lokacija.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.vranica.com.ba/prodaja-pp.htm&h=417&w=472&sz=62&tbnid=-LE23e5oOUoJ:&tbnh=110&tbnw=125&start=6&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dsarajevo%2Bobjekat%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN)

http://www.vranica.com.ba/slike/prodaja-pp-fasada.jpg
http://www.vranica.com.ba/slike/prodaja-pp-ulaz.jpg
http://www.vranica.com.ba/slike/prodaja-pp-int8.jpg
http://www.vranica.com.ba/slike/prodaja-pp-lokacija.jpg

MIMICA
February 27th, 2005, 05:59 AM
projects by inotehna d.d.

http://www.inotehna.ba/1-vrata_besam/sl3.jpg
http://www.inotehna.ba/1-vrata_besam/sl1.jpg
http://www.inotehna.ba/1-vrata_besam/sl2.jpg
http://www.inotehna.ba/1-vrata_besam/sl4.jpg

MIMICA
February 27th, 2005, 06:05 AM
sarajevo international airport...

http://www.a4a.info/bldg/imag/l/b-000001e2.jpg
http://www.a4a.info/bldg/imag/l/b-000001e3.jpg
http://www.a4a.info/bldg/imag/l/b-000001e4.jpg
http://www.a4a.info/bldg/imag/l/b-000001e5.jpg
http://www.a4a.info/bldg/imag/l/b-000001e6.jpg
http://www.a4a.info/bldg/imag/l/b-000001e7.jpg
http://www.a4a.info/bldg/imag/l/b-000001e8.jpg
http://www.a4a.info/bldg/imag/l/b-000001e9.jpg

MIMICA
February 27th, 2005, 06:10 AM
some random project...

alfa...

http://www.hidrogradnja.ba/projekti/Alfa%202.jpg

interesting picture of skyline...
http://grad.sarajevo.ba/slike/random_198x132/m1.jpg

BosRoker
February 27th, 2005, 06:31 AM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v134/fmjam/Sarajevo1.jpg

are those four buildings the unitecs? if not, what are they?


No, they're behind the Unitecs. You can see the unitecs and parliament building at the top of this picture. They're seemingly four completely new skyscrapers that look to be about 105+ meters tall. But this is just a proposal I think... if it was aprooved we would have heard more of it. I'm sure we're all hoping though...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/George5/rajvosa/CETVRTAO09.jpg

MIMICA
February 27th, 2005, 06:44 AM
i'm sure that the buildings will get constructed. :) if they do, there is no doubt that sarajevo would have a GREAT skyline. :yes:

SaRaJeVo-City
February 27th, 2005, 06:52 AM
Good Update on those projects timur! This is a very Unique Building and Very Nice!

http://www.inotehna.ba/1-vrata_besam/sl3.jpg

SaRaJeVo-City
February 27th, 2005, 07:10 AM
Energoinvest Building
http://www.fortunecity.com/oasis/tropicana/533/37-energoinvest.jpg

http://www.fortunecity.com/oasis/tropicana/533/38-energoinvest.jpg

http://www.bhdani.com/arhiva/191/energoinvest1.jpg

Unis Towers Night
http://images.sarajevo-x.com/photos/img_301.jpg

http://www.fortunecity.com/oasis/tropicana/533/69-ElektroprivredaBIH.jpg

Has this Project been COmplete? I think its a Hotel or something!
http://www.fortunecity.com/oasis/tropicana/533/21-hotelrelax.jpg

MIMICA
February 27th, 2005, 08:36 AM
source - http://www.agi.it/english/news.pl?doc=200502252017-1249-RT1-CRO-0-NF10,NF11&page=0&id=agionline-eng.oggitalia
bosnia and herzegovina news...

BALKANS: FINI IN SARAJEVO, LEAVE PAST BEHIND GO TOWARDS EU (2)
(AGI) - Sarajevo, Feb. 25 - "The Italian government appreciated the determination of Sarajevo to collaborate with the penal court for Ex-Yugoslavia and Bosnian authorities do not have to doubt of the political support Italy is ready to provide on their way towards Europe and the European-Atlantic alliance", added Fini. Ivanic underlined Italy's contribution "in terms of troops and financial means of an amount of 160 million euro". Fini answered that this was "not an act of generosity but a question of precise national interest for Italy: we are neighbours and we feel near to Bosnia and to the Balkans because they represent a strategic area for the European Union. Create stability in Bosnia means to promote Italian investments and we are particularly interested in obtaining a faster development".
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MIMICA
February 27th, 2005, 10:30 AM
it is good that we are getting "friendly" with our neighbourhood. :D

Indexi
February 27th, 2005, 12:18 PM
source - http://www.agi.it/english/news.pl?doc=200502252017-1249-RT1-CRO-0-NF10,NF11&page=0&id=agionline-eng.oggitalia
bosnia and herzegovina news...

BALKANS: FINI IN SARAJEVO, LEAVE PAST BEHIND GO TOWARDS EU (2)
(AGI) - Sarajevo, Feb. 25 - "The Italian government appreciated the determination of Sarajevo to collaborate with the penal court for Ex-Yugoslavia and Bosnian authorities do not have to doubt of the political support Italy is ready to provide on their way towards Europe and the European-Atlantic alliance", added Fini. Ivanic underlined Italy's contribution "in terms of troops and financial means of an amount of 160 million euro". Fini answered that this was "not an act of generosity but a question of precise national interest for Italy: we are neighbours and we feel near to Bosnia and to the Balkans because they represent a strategic area for the European Union. Create stability in Bosnia means to promote Italian investments and we are particularly interested in obtaining a faster development".
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Great article:)

Anderson
February 27th, 2005, 01:44 PM
it is good that we are getting "friendly" with our neighbourhood. :D

Maybe, but this is not place for that.

When I am here some project which were constructed in last two years.

I donr know what is this, but it is in Parmlaniska street in Sarajevo
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/George5/rajvosa/paramlinska.jpg

OBI - Sarajevo
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/George5/rajvosa/obi.jpg

Sarajevo
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/George5/rajvosa/becicko.jpg

SaRaJeVo-City
February 27th, 2005, 04:25 PM
Maybe, but this is not place for that.

When I am here some project which were constructed in last two years.

I donr know what is this, but it is in Parmlaniska street in Sarajevo
-IMAGE

OBI - Sarajevo
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Sarajevo
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Those are Great Projects Anderson, Keep em Coming :) ! Are you in Sarajevo? Or you get these pictures from the web?

MIMICA
February 27th, 2005, 08:11 PM
does anyone know what's going on with these projects?

a very nice "original" idea for some apartment...
http://www.cetbah.co.ba/Slike/Splitska.gif
http://www.cetbah.co.ba/Slike/SplitskaLokacija.jpg

also, what's going on with this project? anderson...do you have an idea?
http://www.cetbah.co.ba/Slike/velesiciV.gif

MIMICA
February 27th, 2005, 08:17 PM
the reconstruction of a office building...

before-
http://www.a4a.info/bldg/imag/l/b-000008a.jpg

after-
http://www.a4a.info/bldg/imag/l/b-000008b.jpg

SaRaJeVo-City
February 27th, 2005, 08:34 PM
does anyone know what's going on with these projects?

a very nice "original" idea for some apartment...

also, what's going on with this project? anderson...do you have an idea?


Am pretty sure those buildings will get constructed, there are so many projects going on in Sarajevo thats its really hard to keep track of everything. Especially finding updates on the web!

SaRaJeVo-City
February 27th, 2005, 08:36 PM
the reconstruction of a office building...

before-
http://www.a4a.info/bldg/imag/l/b-000008a.jpg

after-
http://www.a4a.info/bldg/imag/l/b-000008b.jpg


I think this Project is in TUzla not Sarajevo!

SaRaJeVo-City
February 27th, 2005, 08:43 PM
U sarajevskoj građevinskoj firmi CET BAH d.o.o u toku su završne pripreme za početak izgradnje novog poslovno-stambenog objekta na preko 8000m2 prostora!

Suinvestitor u projektu: gosp. Sofitć Kemal

To je takođe velika mogućnost za investiranje i cjelokupan biznis poslovnim partnerima iz cijelog svijeta koji žele poslovati u glavnom gradu Bosne i Hercegovine!

Sarajevo posljednjih godina doživljava pravi procvat u svim poljima razvoja, pri čemu je građevinarstvo najdinamičnije. Među onima koji su u posljednjoj deceniji zabilježili zavidne rezultate na top polju je i preduzeće za inžinjering, građenje i opremanje CET BAH d.o.o.

Radnici i stručnjaci ovog kolektiva prisutni su istovremeno na više gradilišta širom Bosne i Hercegovine

http://www.cetbah.co.ba/Slike/velesiciV.gif http://www.cetbah.co.ba/Slike/velesiciV1.gif http://www.cetbah.co.ba/Slike/velesiciV2.gif http://www.cetbah.co.ba/Slike/VelesiciLokacija.gif

These are some Previous Projects Constructed by this COmpany!

http://www.cetbah.co.ba/images/BosGaz1.gif http://www.cetbah.co.ba/Slike/BosGaz2.gif http://www.cetbah.co.ba/images/BosGaz4.gif http://www.cetbah.co.ba/Slike/BosGaz5.gif

MIMICA
February 27th, 2005, 09:48 PM
very nice update, when is the the building scheduled to finish?

Hepec
February 28th, 2005, 04:07 AM
:dj:Hi everyone, Hepec is here.

I must say, I'm very happy to have finally found a place where I feel like I belong. Anyway, I love everything about Sarajevo and I'm constantly searching web for new projects. So far, this is the best source of info.

So to start off, someone mentioned they wanted to see a train station in past treads. I've found some pics from '02 of Sarajevo, so enjoy:

http://www.fortunecity.com/oasis/tropicana/533/SARAJEVO.html

Here you'll find many pics of Sarajavo including detailed information of the Sarajevo Airport.

http://www.fortunecity.com/oasis/tropicana/533/index.htm




Also, Sarajevo is not the only place with big constructions projects. Check out Sun Valley , the big project in Mostar coming soon:


http://www.sunvalley.ba/en/o_projektu.html

SinCity
February 28th, 2005, 04:46 AM
Welcome Hepec! :) The more the merrier!

BTW the guys have been very busy in the past few days with quite a number of new projects added here. Great stuff.

MIMICA
February 28th, 2005, 04:57 AM
welcome to the thread Hepec! :) anyway's...i'm glad that you like sarajevo so much, as do millions.

i personally never heard of that sun valley in mostar, and it sounds HUGE, just like that resort thing in ilidza. :) sarajevo, mostar, and tuzla are the main cities of construction in bosnia and herzegovina, since they have great importance. :yes: sarajevo is currently undergoing a mass production of offices for random companies due to the extensive demand for office space. 6-7 level offices with blue glass facade are being built everywhere, as i described beforehand...

again, welcome...and i hope you enjoy your stay. :)

MIMICA
February 28th, 2005, 04:59 AM
here is a little picture i made for sarajevo skyscrapers. note: the new projects that are currently going to start construction are not included...

http://pic18.picturetrail.com/VOL911/3297841/6756130/87135725.jpg

Hepec
February 28th, 2005, 05:44 AM
nice pic timur keep it up. By the way, does anyone know how third UNITIC will look like. I've been searching web but no luck. Also any word on 22 story Holiday Inn project?

MIMICA
February 28th, 2005, 05:51 AM
nice pic timur keep it up. By the way, does anyone know how third UNITIC will look like. I've been searching web but no luck. Also any word on 22 story Holiday Inn project?


no word on the third unitec, but it doesn't really matter, i'm sure we will hear about it in the near future. also, the 22 level holiday inn is the "media centre"...it will start construction this summer, of 2005. there is also the bbi commerce centre, which will be a complex of three different buildings, 10+11+17 levels...the parliment building will probably start reconstruction this summer, and there is a rumor going around stating that it will be a blue glass facade, as are most of the other projects in sarajevo...

Sarajka
February 28th, 2005, 06:01 AM
BOSMAL CITY CENTER

This photo is outdated now, the towers are almost finished (at least exterier). But it shows a good view of where Bosmal is location in relation to downtown Sarajevo. It's actually a nice distance from Unitic and the rest of the downtown "skyline" - but looking from the East or West, you'd never know it - so good.

http://onfinite.com/libraries/351458/733.jpg

Hepec
February 28th, 2005, 06:02 AM
Me personally, I am very interested to what Bosmal will build next because they've mentioned that it will be their biggest investment yet, and that it will have a landmark status.

http://www.bosmal.com/ba/?lg=ba&nav_ID=5&ID=30

Quote:

"Nakon završetka BCC-ja imamo imamo u planu sljedeći projekat. To će biti nešto novo, što će se moći porediti sa objektima u najrazvijenijim zemljama svijeta, poput onih kakve imaju Kan, New York, Milano.
Objekat koji ćemo graditi biće više zabavnog i rekreativnog karaktera, međutim, vrlo moderan i privlačan i živiće 24 sata, najvjerovatnije u Sarajevu, ali još nije definisan odabir lokacije. To će biti investicija od najmanje 100 miliona KM, pošto smo obećali da niti jedan objekat koji ćemo ubuduće raditi neće biti manje vrijedan nego ovaj prvi. Idemo više i više i time iniciramo ostale da se takmiče s nama i što više novca potroše u BiH", rekao je Edin Šabanović.

SinCity
February 28th, 2005, 06:03 AM
Welcome Mila to the Sarajevo thread! :)

Hepec
February 28th, 2005, 06:07 AM
God I hate those commie buildings around Bosmal. What were they thinking putting it there. I should have been on Marin Dvor.

Hey guys, I really think Marin Dvor should be reserved for Skyscrapers only. Reserved for the center of the city.

And Mila, if that's you, you're hot, hot, hot...

Sarajka
February 28th, 2005, 06:14 AM
God I hate those commie buildings around Bosmal. What were they thinking putting it there. I should have been on Marin Dvor.

I took a picture once from Trebevic - kind of a backwards view of the Bosmal photo I posted - this was many months before Bosmal even started though.

The sun was in my camera and somehow the picture came out like all the commieblocks were white. It really looked good, I will find this and scan it if I did not garbage it.

BosRoker
February 28th, 2005, 06:17 AM
Hey guys, I really think Marin Dvor should be reserved for Skyscrapers only. Reserved for the center of the city.

Didn't you see this picture? For reference, the Unitec towers and parliament are at the very top.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/George5/rajvosa/CETVRTAO09.jpg

Hepec
February 28th, 2005, 06:25 AM
Of course I saw it, but I thought they should be closer to each othe don't you think?
A REAL DOWNTOWN. Close to Unitic towers.

Again, "closer" to each other.

BosRoker
February 28th, 2005, 06:30 AM
Of course I saw it, but I thought they should be closer to each othe don't you think?
A REAL DOWNTOWN. Close to Unitic towers.

Again, "closer" to each other.

If you mean close like Chicago I think that's impossible. I think we'll end up with one of the nicest skylines in southeastern Europe, but something very different from the skylines of America and West Europe, with lots of trees, greenery, and historical building.

But still, don't forget all those grey buildings around the 4 skyscrapers. They would be new too, and I think they will form that downtown that you're looking for. Hell, it even has a little central park in the middle.

Plus once the Media Convention Center and third Unitec get built it's not gonna seem so far apart.

Although I wouldn't mind seeing Bosmal build a 200 meter tower between the Parliament and the skyscraper on the far right..

BosRoker
February 28th, 2005, 06:34 AM
Hmm, what would be really cool is if the little downtown area I mentioned was full of sort of neo-classical type architecture closely packed together. Kind of like a modern expansion of Ferhadija street. Then it'd truly be a place to be.

Hepec
February 28th, 2005, 06:41 AM
:dj: Ah yes...


That would be nice.

MIMICA
February 28th, 2005, 07:10 AM
i really think that the downtown area should only be for skyscrapers that are either offices or something to do with the government. :) they should keep all the residentials in the bcc district. the commies don't really look that bad, all they need is some new paint, and they will look pretty dam good with the bcc and other residentials...

BosRoker
February 28th, 2005, 07:13 AM
Screw the commies. Demolish whichever ones possible really. The residential future of the city will lie in suburbs to the north of Ilidza. The main thing will be to set up new city centers for them so that they don't have to go 20 miles just to get to Ferhadija and Bascarsija.

MIMICA
February 28th, 2005, 07:25 AM
Screw the commies. Demolish whichever ones possible really. The residential future of the city will lie in suburbs to the north of Ilidza. The main thing will be to set up new city centers for them so that they don't have to go 20 miles just to get to Ferhadija and Bascarsija.

are you crazy? destroying just about 2 commies would mean 50-100 families wouldn't have a home. if they build more residentials in the suburbs, that would be a good idea, but tell me...why when they are perfectly fine in the bcc district? building two city centres would be a complete waste of time and money, the things that needs to be done is more buildings like the bcc, so it looks modern, and has a nice "skyscraper" feel to it...

what does it matter though, you told everyone that our economic future is shit, what's the purpose of going on if your predictions are soo harsh (and false)? :no:

BosRoker
February 28th, 2005, 08:12 AM
are you crazy? destroying just about 2 commies would mean 50-100 families wouldn't have a home.

Read what I said.

Screw the commies. Demolish whichever ones possible really.

if they build more residentials in the suburbs, that would be a good idea

They already are. What do you think the riviera (spl?) project is?

but tell me...why when they are perfectly fine in the bcc district?

Because they're not perfectly fine in the bcc district. Number one, the bcc district is horrendeously ugly. Mismatched ugly quickly built communist era structures. Considering it's magnitude, that half of the city is arguablly the ugliest region in the entire country. Number two, because there isn't enough room. It's very hard to just find an apartment in Sarajevo, that's why so many families stay together for so long in a single apartment. The city needs to expand because there are a lot of people who need places for themselves or just better places to go in general.

building two city centres would be a complete waste of time and money

No, it wouldn't. If central areas and blocks aren't built for the new communities expanding north of Ilidza then they'll be isolated little suburbs like the type of crap they have in America. If there wasn't any place for the people in these hypothetical new suburbs to go for a night out or gathering near them, they'd have to go all the way to Marijin dvor, which would be a long ways away. Sarajevo would become a car-town, the complete opposite of everything that is great about it.

the things that needs to be done is more buildings like the bcc, so it looks modern, and has a nice "skyscraper" feel to it...

pffft. Number one, the BCC cost $50,000,000. You're not going to get more than two of them. Number two, the BCC is a place for rich people to live; commoners can't afford them. Number three, BCC is impressive but it's not a very nice looking skyscraper, and if you'd let go of some dumb super-patriotic pride you'd realize I'm not the only Sarajlija who feels that way. What Sarajevo needs is not some super-tall residential towers, but neo-classical type two-to-four story buildings like the stuff they have in Baku, to evoque the spirit of the old town.

what does it matter though, you told everyone that our economic future is shit, what's the purpose of going on if your predictions are soo harsh (and false)? :no:

Well I'm sorry that I let the big secret out :|. The economy is shit and it's not getting much better as long as the current system of divisions is in place. Sarajevo is developing very nicely but it still has many people unemployed. And that's the capital. Imagine how it is in places like Zenica. We don't even really have our own currency, it's pegged to the Euro (for good reason too). And just recently they actually announced that it was near bankruptcy. It's just simple facts. But you're going around talking about how much better our economy is than Serbia's and how the country has an amazing future, and that things are absolutely wonderful. The way you're talking people would think Bosnia was Switzerland.

"What's the purpose of going on"? Don't be a dumbass. I like seeing skyscrapers going up and construction development. I'm just not stupid enough to assume that to mean the rest of the economy is teriffic.

MIMICA
February 28th, 2005, 08:38 AM
[QUOTE=L3D3NI]Because they're not perfectly fine in the bcc district. Number one, the bcc district is horrendeously ugly.

in your opinion. you probably have no idea what it would look like if you gave it a chance by giving it some new paint and remodling the area alittle.

Mismatched ugly quickly built communist era structures. Considering it's magnitude, that half of the city is arguablly the ugliest region in the entire country. Number two, because there isn't enough room. It's very hard to just find an apartment in Sarajevo, that's why so many families stay together for so long in a single apartment. The city needs to expand because there are a lot of people who need places for themselves or just better places to go in general.

in this area you are correct. do you think the country has enough money to do all those things that are you implying it should do? hell no it doesn't, you need to give the government some time, before it builds some incredibly large residential area that would look good.

No, it wouldn't. If central areas and blocks aren't built for the new communities expanding north of Ilidza then they'll be isolated little suburbs like the type of crap they have in America.

wouldn't it be smarter to keep a nice public transportation system to the centre of the city, so you don't need to spend 5 times as much money on your "ideal" centre city?

If there wasn't any place for the people in these hypothetical new suburbs to go for a night out or gathering near them, they'd have to go all the way to Marijin dvor, which would be a long ways away. Sarajevo would become a car-town, the complete opposite of everything that is great about it.

again, that is where i imply building the better public transporation system, which will transport people from the suburbs to the centre easily, and without any hastle...

pffft. Number one, the BCC cost $50,000,000. You're not going to get more than two of them. Number two, the BCC is a place for rich people to live; commoners can't afford them. Number three, BCC is impressive but it's not a very nice looking skyscraper,

how can you speak for every person in sarajevo? you can't speak for everyone, so advise you don't...

and if you'd let go of some dumb super-patriotic pride you'd realize I'm not the only Sarajlija who feels that way.

my patriotic pride? i am proud of my country, and i am aware of the progress it has performed and what potential it has, unlike some people that are only going to babble on about the terrible things...

What Sarajevo needs is not some super-tall residential towers, but neo-classical type two-to-four story buildings like the stuff they have in Baku, to evoque the spirit of the old town.

yeah, that is a good way of using up our small area...by creating lowrises all over the place making it look like a north american suburb :|

Well I'm sorry that I let the big secret out :|. The economy is shit and it's not getting much better as long as the current system of divisions is in place. Sarajevo is developing very nicely but it still has many people unemployed. And that's the capital. Imagine how it is in places like Zenica. We don't even really have our own currency, it's pegged to the Euro (for good reason too). And just recently they actually announced that it was near bankruptcy.

oh, excuse me...like you should expect anything better from a country that was being beat the shit out for 3.5 years...you'd think it would be back by now! :|

It's just simple facts. But you're going around talking about how much better our economy is than Serbia's and how the country has an amazing future, and that things are absolutely wonderful. The way you're talking people would think Bosnia was Switzerland.

switzerland, oh yeah...great, that is what i was going for :| since the country was a shit-hole less than 10 years ago, i'm thinking we are doing a great job by comming back to be a very sucsessful nation, wether you agree with it or not...

"What's the purpose of going on"? Don't be a dumbass. I like seeing skyscrapers going up and construction development. I'm just not stupid enough to assume that to mean the rest of the economy is teriffic.

did i ever say that our economy was like luxemburgs!? hell no, we aren't even close. again, for what the country has been though, i think that it's just awsome how things have been turning out, and even better in the future. i understand that you don't have the enthusiasm about bosnia and herzegovina as i do, since i'm really trying to be open-minded, and really show my love towards my country. unlike you, that sounds like one of those old farts that stay in their apartments that keep complaining about their pensions, and their life-style. :| you've gotta enjoy life, and notice the changes around you...aren't you happy the way bih's changing for the better?

mic of Orion
February 28th, 2005, 09:21 AM
sarajevo international airport...

http://www.a4a.info/bldg/imag/l/b-000001e2.jpg
http://www.a4a.info/bldg/imag/l/b-000001e3.jpg
http://www.a4a.info/bldg/imag/l/b-000001e4.jpg
http://www.a4a.info/bldg/imag/l/b-000001e5.jpg
http://www.a4a.info/bldg/imag/l/b-000001e6.jpg
http://www.a4a.info/bldg/imag/l/b-000001e7.jpg
http://www.a4a.info/bldg/imag/l/b-000001e8.jpg
http://www.a4a.info/bldg/imag/l/b-000001e9.jpg

cool pics is this new terminal built after the war ?
Looks much better inside than any I saw in former yugoslavia, I was in most major cities and most airport whre dull, even London heatwrow is a dull looking airport, not to mention some even more duller airports I'v been to, looks way cool, any info how many ppl went throught the airport last year ?

:) :cheers:

MIMICA
February 28th, 2005, 09:35 AM
cool pics is this new terminal built after the war ?
Looks much better inside than any I saw in former yugoslavia, I was in most major cities and most airport whre dull, even London heatwrow is a dull looking airport, not to mention some even more duller airports I'v been to, looks way cool, any info how many ppl went throught the airport last year ?

:) :cheers:


yes, i'm pretty sure that is the new terminal. :) it is very modern inside, even though the airport is quite small, it is very clean, and modern. :yes: let alone the fact that it is very easy to add onto this new terminal, since it's built in a way that it can be expanded either way. :)

no idea how many people went through the airport last year, sorry. :( i'm sure that number will increase dramitically once air bosna and fly bosnia become airlines...air bosna is destined for greatness. :D :D

Sarajka
February 28th, 2005, 08:10 PM
Yes, that is the new airport terminal but the photos really aren't that flattering. It is a nice building - simple, almost boring from the outside - but the interior is nice enough. I'm sure it won't win any awards but it doesn't make you dream of travelling by train either.

Here are two shots of the inside terminal:
http://members.fortunecity.com/arisak/WW48.jpg

http://members.fortunecity.com/arisak/WW49.jpg

Lovely Arnoro (Airline of BiH) flight attendants
http://www.fortunecity.com/oasis/tropicana/533/MI5.jpg

In any event, the airport has come a long way from the days of the Cetnik siege. ;)
http://www.photoarts.com/haviv/bosnia/image/maybe.jpeg

Indexi
February 28th, 2005, 08:17 PM
Off-topic: Is it possible to change nick here?

Sarajka
February 28th, 2005, 08:23 PM
A few views of the new Avaz tower in its commieblock surroundings.
I wonder if the call to prayer from Kralj Fahd Mosque was considered when choosing the glass/design? :D

http://onfinite.com/libraries/352090/223.jpg

http://onfinite.com/libraries/352091/2c4.jpg
(Photos by A.K.)

Boycie
March 1st, 2005, 12:11 AM
There is something VERY wrong about the location, design, size and almost everything about that mosque. Or am I the only one who feels this way?


:cheers:

Sarajka
March 1st, 2005, 12:14 AM
Bosmal and her commie subjects...
http://img56.exs.cx/img56/573/new3ar.jpg

SaRaJeVo-City
March 1st, 2005, 12:16 AM
Once all these commies around Bosmal get painted and stuff its going to look really nice! Look at this Picture, see most of the commies are painted and look hella Nice!

http://onfinite.com/libraries/352091/2c4.jpg

Sarajka
March 1st, 2005, 12:25 AM
Okay, but no neon pink. That color is best left to Grbavica girls lips. ;)

yugoboy
March 1st, 2005, 12:49 AM
Kralj Fahd Mosque is very ugly to me :S But I am happy for any new pojects in the city! :)

Sarajka
March 1st, 2005, 12:52 AM
I agree...but I refuse to comment because I don't want to go on a rant against Saudi money. ;)

SaRaJeVo-City
March 1st, 2005, 01:03 AM
Kralj Fahd Mosque is very ugly to me :S But I am happy for any new pojects in the city! :)

WTH!!! Ugly wow, its like the nicest mosque in Sarajevo! U ever went inside ?

yugoboy
March 1st, 2005, 01:19 AM
I am not muslim. I am serbian. Any ways.... Compare it to the begova dzamija it is nothing! ;)

http://www.vakuf-gazi.ba/Resize%20of%20begova%20djamija.jpg

SaRaJeVo-City
March 1st, 2005, 01:22 AM
Well Begova Dzamija is old and you can't really compare them because one is new and one is not! I think all Mosques are very nice looking in sarajevo!

yugoboy
March 1st, 2005, 01:24 AM
I agree...but I refuse to comment because I don't want to go on a rant against Saudi money. ;)


Well.. I do have a lot against Soudi money, mainly because they are not building anything that will help Bosnia have a good future! Just some Mosques that look more like skyscrapers than beautiful realigious buildings like the Begova Dzamija. I think that money should be spent on Schools, Hotels, Factories, Hospitals ect.

SaRaJeVo-City
March 1st, 2005, 01:28 AM
Well.. I do have a lot against Soudi money, mainly because they are not building anything that will help Bosnia have a good future! Just some Mosques that look more like skyscrapers than beautiful realigious buildings like the Begova Dzamija. I think that money should be spent on Schools, Hotels, Factories, Hospitals ect.

Well I read somewhere that Saudia Arabia said they will stop investing money in mosques and they are going to start building Skyscrapers, apartment complexes, schools, etc....

Boycie
March 1st, 2005, 01:36 AM
Well I read somewhere that Saudia Arabia said they will stop investing money in mosques and they are going to start building Skyscrapers, apartment complexes, schools, etc....

Well, it would be about time, wouldn't it?



:cheers:

Sarajka
March 1st, 2005, 01:57 AM
I agree Yugoboy. There is a FABULOUS article (search for it online) about that whole controversy. It's called "Magnificent Mosques for Hungry People."

For me - I was 15 years old when the war ended. I lost everything. The only family I had left was my 14 year old sister, and her 3 year old daughter (Yes, it is what it sounds like it is). But still we survived. Our country didn't fight to be Islamic - it fought only to save itself from Cetnik aggression. So I find the Saudi mosques offensive - Sarajevo doesn't need new mosques. What it needs is new museums, schools, libraries, hospitals, cafes, nightclubs - it needs more "Sarajevo" and no "Riyadh".

SinCity
March 1st, 2005, 02:29 AM
And also more investment in jobs. People want to work so they can give there children a future.

Sarajka
March 1st, 2005, 02:43 AM
"The middle classes riot by moving away."

SinCity
March 1st, 2005, 02:58 AM
"The middle classes riot by moving away."

Very true. Once the middle classes leave, then its very difficult for any city to progress. Sarajevo is doing well under the circumstances of its tragic recent history.

SpotlessMind
March 1st, 2005, 02:58 AM
http://onfinite.com/libraries/352091/2c4.jpg


This is a really nice part of the city(apart from the Mosque, which I don't like either)!

Love the low-rise building, the colors, the setting and it's the Olympic Village youre looking at!!

It's CUTE!!

SinCity
March 1st, 2005, 03:00 AM
What is so bad about this mosque. Any close up pics of it?

SpotlessMind
March 1st, 2005, 03:00 AM
Owh and the Saudi can stick their money up in their ass....

I really don't get the feeling they are actually interested in the Bosnian people!

They should meet my WHIP, an I don't mean in a good way! Tss...

SinCity
March 1st, 2005, 03:04 AM
Whats with you and whips lately? :D

yugoboy
March 1st, 2005, 03:06 AM
WELL SAID SpotlessMind! :D I heard that there are now some soudi's living in Sarajevo, trying to make it be more "muslim".. and I would just like to ask the people who live in Sarajevo now... what is with some of those young girls covering up (not all offcourse) I meen do you gyes know any of them? or know why they are chooseing to wear a Brkha?

MIMICA
March 1st, 2005, 03:08 AM
very nice picture. :yes: again, i agree with you in the fact that once the commies get painted, they will look nice, as in your picture. :yes:

http://onfinite.com/libraries/352091/2c4.jpg

SpotlessMind
March 1st, 2005, 03:15 AM
Whats with you and whips lately? :D


Owh, we're just having a little fun.... (I for sure am at least) gr gr

http://www.beautifulmadonna.com/videostill/justifymylove/222.jpg

I bet I am illegal in Saudi Arabia. lol

Sarajka
March 1st, 2005, 03:19 AM
I know several who wear veils, both in the Arabic and Bosnian style. I wear one myself when it's foggy or raining - I also wear a wool one in winter - I find it to be sexier, classier...than a hat.

http://onfinite.com/libraries/352716/643.jpg

I think for most Bosnian girls who wear them in the way that I do, there are three feelings at play - 1. It's a trend, 2. Times for respect (Funerals, while at mosque, memorials, around war veterans, etc.), 3. Weather.

Now - girls wearing them in the religious sense have grown in number since the war. There could be any number of psychological reasons for this. Some married mujahedeen from Arabia, others were raped and abused and are hiding scars (internal or external), others live in communities where there are "no men left" (Srebrenica, etc.) where the desperation is very strong. These are the negative reasons.

On the other side - communism is gone, freedom of religion is ours...it's natural that Bosnians would be "more" of whatever they were to begin with. Before Yugoslavia, you often didn't see anything but a girl's eyes in Sarajevo. So of course these things will come back a little bit more now. Lastly...some women accept the Arabic interpretation of Islam and believe in it, and want to wear them.

I have one friend who covers, often times, everything but her eyes. Her name is Ajsa and she is the most shy, soft-spoken, timid woman you could ever met. She's very modest, very friendly, very polite. VERY beautiful, I've seen her without the whole costume on. She believes all of that is necessary for a Muslim woman.

My Grandmother, on the other hand... ;) Let me transcribe a conversation for you that I know I will never forget. ;)

Nena: Ajsa, come sit beside me here, my darling.
Ajsa: Yes?
Nena: So you wear this thing to be close to God?
Ajsa: Yes...
Nena: You don't drink, you don't smoke...?
Ajsa: Of course not.
Nena: You think you will go to hell if you don't wear one, if you drink or smoke?
Ajsa: Yes, I do believe that.
Nena: So you want to go to heaven?
Ajsa: Yes.
Nena:... What? All by yourself?

:D

Sarajka
March 1st, 2005, 03:32 AM
Sincity,

It is the largest mosque in the whole of Europe. :righton:

The entrance, with an enormous Saudi name... :wtf:
http://www.bosna.ch/sarajevo/dzamijakaljfahd.jpg

The ass of the mosque... :down:
http://www.bosna.ch/sarajevo/dzamijakaljfahd9.jpg

And the interior... :speech:
http://www.bosna.ch/sarajevo/dzamijakaljfahd2.jpg

SpotlessMind
March 1st, 2005, 03:35 AM
Really, Saudi's living in Sarajevo? I hope they get the message real soon and buy a one way ticket back to their desert.

Bosnians and especially Sarajlije have always had a special way of incorporating religion into their lives and that basicly has not changed. During and after the war suddenly some tried to be more religious and to show it off, because that's what was popular back then. However, for 80% it was a farce. Just one big fat act.

Nowadays, people are returning to reality and have dropped the act for the biggest part.

During my last visit back in August I saw two women with a veil during a period of three weeks. No Burhka at all.

I've actually asked my cousins if there a lot covered up girls at school and university. You can apparently count them all on one hand.

Btw, I don't count girls who wear a scarf/veil as a fashion item now and then as a women who wears a veil. ;)

SinCity
March 1st, 2005, 03:46 AM
OK, so its not really the mosque but those that funded it. I still think Bosniacs are one of the most secular people on this planet.

Sarajka
March 1st, 2005, 03:52 AM
It's not quite that uncommon normally, Spotless. It must've been because you were here during the summer.

I see Bosniak women wearing veils at least a dozen times a day - which sounds a greater number than it actually is. I'd estimate about 1% of the women I see on the streets are wearing veils, and 1% of those wearing veils are younger than 50. Now - pass a religious school or a mosque at Friday prayers and your numbers quadruple at least. :D

In terms of non-Bosniaks (Kosova, Sandzak, etc.) - you see veils quite often. Go back and check over my "From Sarajevo with love...(and architecture photos)" thread, you'll see quite a few in the photographs. Then, non-Muslims. The old Serbian women all wear veils, some of the more devout Catholic women wear them as well - especially those who spent the war in Italy, oddly.

It's a greater thing than you realize, Spotless. But still as insignificant and isolated that it can be easily dismissed. :)

SpotlessMind
March 1st, 2005, 03:53 AM
OK, so its not really the mosque but those that funded it. I still think Bosniacs are one of the most secular people on this planet.

Just look at it! It's tacky....

SpotlessMind
March 1st, 2005, 04:00 AM
^^You are actually confirming my thoughts Mila.

A dozen a day in a city of 400.000, about 1%, mostly selective worn(on occasions, during winter) etc. etc. Doesn't sound like it's that common to me. It's pretty much thesame as pre-war.

The only thing I saw during summer was asses and boobs. Islam a-la Bosnia.

Gotta love it...

Sarajka
March 1st, 2005, 04:05 AM
Oh I know, Spotless. I agree with what you said too. :D I just meant it's a TINY bit more common than you though. :) Like...there's an extra .1% per cent alcohol in that slivovitz. ;) Which reminds me, lets all sing... F**k your Coca, f**k your pizza, all we need is Slivovitza!

Boycie
March 1st, 2005, 04:09 AM
:booze:

SpotlessMind
March 1st, 2005, 04:13 AM
^^Boycie hun, you do drink a lot don't you?!

Perhaps I can hook you on another addiction....?! *wink*

SinCity
March 1st, 2005, 04:15 AM
A friend from Sarajevo told me once that he was amazed at the number of "Born Again Virgins" that he saw on a trip a while ago. Basically girls who were the biggest slags before the war, but now are so virtuous and pure .... and wearing the traditional muslim headscarf ..... :|

BosRoker
March 1st, 2005, 04:19 AM
Eh, the scarves disgust me, but thankfully they aren't that common anymore. There is absolutely nothing in Islam that says women have to wear scarves. Bosniaks are Hanafi muslims. Hanafi is the most liberal fiqh, the guy who founded it was a very nice guy. He contended that society and Islam's role in it must evolve with the times. Well, the times have evolved and it's time for the stupid desert cloth to go with them. I don't want to see it anywhere but funerals.

As for the huge mosque, I don't see much wrong with it, but then I can understand how Serb sarajlijas feel. After the war everything got more conservative. For Croats in Croatia, this meant cultural and linguistic purism. For Serbs in Serbia this meant more people more interested in Serb unity. In Bosnia however, religion was always the main division. So Croats, Serbs, and Bosniaks all got a bit more religious.

SpotlessMind
March 1st, 2005, 04:21 AM
A friend from Sarajevo told me once that he was amazed at the number of "Born Again Virgins" that he saw on a trip a while ago. Basically girls who were the biggest slags before the war, but now are so virtuous and pure .... and wearing the traditional muslim headscarf ..... :|


It's like the new fashion accessory, a 'restored' vagina.

Silly girls....

SinCity
March 1st, 2005, 04:26 AM
It's like the new fashion accessory, a 'restored' vagina.

Silly girls....

LOL. I'd hate to wonder what I would have to do to return myself to a "pure" form ...... :D

Sarajka
March 1st, 2005, 04:41 AM
Interesting.

I talked to Ajsa tonight about this, so I could offer her perspective here. She said what I've already posted - but I asked her did she have any problems, and she said that with Christians she has very few problems. They treat her normally, they treat her with distant politeness, or they ignore her completely. But she said Bosniaks are constantly, and vocally, against her. Not rude, not harassment - but she said she has to justify herself to a complete stranger at least once a day. :D

MIMICA
March 1st, 2005, 04:44 AM
man, sarajevo only has a TINY NUMBER of people that wear headscarfs. those that do however, are of course the women that are about older than 40 years of age. as another forumer said, all you see now are boobs and asses, even when cold. :D you gotta love it. :yes: :cheers1:

MIMICA
March 1st, 2005, 04:47 AM
let's keep on track shall we? we are getting carried away, and this is a construction thread, back on topic please. :)

SpotlessMind
March 1st, 2005, 04:51 AM
LOL. I'd hate to wonder what I would have to do to return myself to a "pure" form ...... :D


There's no turning back now I am afraid.... lol

MIMICA
March 1st, 2005, 04:57 AM
ON TOPIC, KEEP THIS DISCUSSION ELSEWHERE PLEASE, THANK YOU. :)

Sarajka
March 1st, 2005, 05:06 AM
I thought Tito promised that we'd never see the gestapo in Sarajevo again? ;)

SinCity
March 1st, 2005, 05:07 AM
OK, back to the topics, otherwise Timur and not Spotless may end up whipping me ;)

The following is from todays Croatian newspaper Vjesnik. Its about the scheduled project for the construction of the 5C Motorway through Bosnia from the north to the south of the country and then onwards towards Bosnia's designated port in Croatia (Ploce).

This motorway passes thru Sarajevo and Mostar and will create the quickest access north and south from Bosnia and vica-versa. The motorway is an important one for Europe as it extends towards Poland and Ukraine.

Dokumentacija za Koridor 5C kroz BiH dostavljena na vrijeme

ZAGREB - Institut građevinarstva Hrvatske (IGH) na vrijeme je do podneva u ponedjeljak predao plansko-studijsku dokumentaciju za gradnju autoceste na dijelu koridora 5C koji prolazi kroz BiH, pa se tako neće obistiniti najave bosanskog ministra transporta i komunikacija Branka Dokića da bi zbog kašnjenja mogla biti stopirana isplata za posao na kojem, uz zagrebački IGH, rade još i IPSA institut iz Sarajeva i tvrtka Carlo Lotti & Associati iz Rima, doznaje Vjesnik.

»Izvješće smo predali na vrijeme, ali došlo je do zabune, jer su bosanskohercegovački mediji objavili staru vijest, odnosno ministrovu izjavu od prije 12 dana«, rekao je Vjesniku Petar Đukan, direktor IGH.
Đukan u razgovoru za Vjesnik.

Kako kaže, na sastanku održanom prije dva tjedna u Sarajevu ministar Dokić zaista je svim izvođačima poprilično žustro iznio sumnju da posao neće biti gotov na vrijeme i da je zbog toga spreman sankcionirati izvođače i uskratiti im uplate ako ne ispoštuju rokove.

»Na tom sastanku ministar je jasno dao do znanja da nije zadovoljan tempom i realizacijom izrade planske studije, pa nas je i malo izribao zbog sumnji da nećemo obaviti sve kako treba i na vrijeme. To se, međutim, nije dogodilo i izvješća su dostavljena s današnjim datumom, dakle u dogovorenom roku, pa nastavljamo s poslom«, objasnio je Đukan u ponedjeljak.

U pitanju je završetak prvog dijela izrade plansko-studijske dokumentacije za što je ugovor potpisan u listopadu prošle godine, a u potpunosti bi trebao biti ispunjen do kolovoza ove godine. Izrada dokumenta stajat će 16 milijuna eura (novac je osiguran iz Fonda naknada koje će GSM-operateri platiti za licence za pružanje usluga u mobilnoj telefoniji) a poslužit će za precizno analiziranje svakog dijela buduće autoceste na koridoru 5C kroz BiH prema dionicama: Svilaj-Doboj jug, Doboj jug-Sarajevo jug, Sarajevo jug-Mostar sjever, kao i pakete prometnih studija, odnosno studija ekonomske opravdanosti za dionice Sarajevo jug-Svilaj, Sarajevo jug-granica jug.

Tek nakon toga, na temelju dobivenih informacija uslijedit će odabir modela gradnje i financiranja autoceste.

Claudio Kramarić

http://www.vjesnik.com/html/2005/03/01/Clanak.asp?r=gos&c=1

Sarajka
March 1st, 2005, 05:13 AM
What's with Malaysia? Or is it Bosnia? Maybe it's Croatia...but someone hates Poland...they've avoiding it like the plague. ;)

http://www.bosmal.com/images/koridor_5c/eurupeBA.jpg :wtf:

SinCity
March 1st, 2005, 05:20 AM
LOL :D

Interesting. It also resembles a question mark (?) over Eastern Europe .......

Sarajka
March 1st, 2005, 05:40 AM
"They thought having such a bridge would be a blessing, but it turned out to be a curse. Such a mess of scaffolding arose on both banks of the Drina that, for a time, the people thought the bridge would be made of wood. The noise, the dust, the shouting, the work...it looked like anything you want, but not a bridge." - Bosma... Ivo. :)

MIMICA
March 1st, 2005, 05:50 AM
i personally think that nothing bad can come out of corridor 5c at all! it's a perfect plan for the better public transportation, and the transportation of goods without a big hastle.:)

MIMICA
March 1st, 2005, 05:51 AM
dam, sarajevo construction thread has reached 400 posts, who thinks it's time for a new thread?

BosRoker
March 1st, 2005, 05:53 AM
What's this country I see near the bottom of that map, "Bosnia and Croatian Herzegovina" lol

Sarajka
March 1st, 2005, 05:54 AM
Hahaha - very nice.

Reminds me of:

What do you get from a union of Bosnia and Montenegro?

Crna Bosna i Gora Hercegovina. :jk:

SinCity
March 1st, 2005, 05:55 AM
Hahaha - very nice.

Reminds me of:

What do you get from a union of Bosnia and Montenegro?

Crna Bosna i Gora Hercegovina. :P

LOL :D

SinCity
March 1st, 2005, 05:56 AM
i personally think that nothing bad can come out of corridor 5c at all! it's a perfect plan for the better public transportation, and the transportation of goods without a big hastle.:)

It will take Bosnia to a higher economic level. It needs to be built as soon as possible.

MIMICA
March 1st, 2005, 05:57 AM
i wonder why the countries are shaped incorrectly? :D

MIMICA
March 1st, 2005, 05:58 AM
It will take Bosnia to a higher economic level. It needs to be built as soon as possible.


sincity, would you like to have the pleasure of starting "sarajevo construction-part three"?

SinCity
March 1st, 2005, 06:01 AM
sincity, would you like to have the pleasure of starting "sarajevo construction-part three"?

You guys go for it.

Firstly create Part 3 and make the last post here on part 2 a link to the new thread.

Secondly, ask the mods to archive Part 2 so the info here isnt lost and can be accessed in the future if need be.

Well done and congratulations. :)

SinCity
March 1st, 2005, 06:02 AM
Also on Part 3, make a link to Parts 1 & 2 as first post.

Sarajka
March 1st, 2005, 06:02 AM
Too late you missed it.

"Construction Talk" Happy Part III! :)

Rest in piece, Part II.

MIMICA
March 1st, 2005, 06:11 AM
alright guy's...part three is made, and good job with the first two. :)

link: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=185760

:cheers1: