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bluga
January 18th, 2005, 10:02 AM
Ping An Insurance Co., China's second-largest insurer, plans to spend US$242 million to building a skyscraper in Pudong financial district to house its asset management division. The Shenzhen-based insurer will fund a building that is 150 meters tall on a 27,600 - square - meter site next to the Bank of China Tower. Shanghai Lujiazui Finance & Trade Zone Development Co., a real estate developer, said it had sold the Pudong site to Ping An for 447.1 million RMB

http://www.worldisround.com/hosted/7/589/136.jpg

http://www.worldisround.com/hosted/7/589/137.jpg

http://www.worldisround.com/hosted/7/589/138.jpg

Chad
January 18th, 2005, 10:44 AM
THIS....is OH...OH!

http://www.worldisround.com/hosted/7/589/137.jpg

samsonyuen
January 18th, 2005, 12:11 PM
Wow, that's beautiful. It's really classy looking and will be head and shoulders above the other Shanghai skyscrapers.

ahmedr
January 18th, 2005, 12:59 PM
wow, thats really original!

Yamauchi
January 18th, 2005, 01:32 PM
It also is surrounded by a time warp that takes you back to the 1930s. Impressive engineering there.

cladiv
January 18th, 2005, 02:39 PM
finally a truly original project!

GUTO4EVER
January 18th, 2005, 04:41 PM
Looks great... Nice project...

snake
January 18th, 2005, 05:18 PM
picture 1 and 3 are a little different, picture 1 roof and facade is more Gothic look, more elegant, more attractive. That's really an amazing building to Shanghai. Please stick to first rendering!

fahed
January 18th, 2005, 05:28 PM
Amazing and very original. I am falling in love with the design :love:

vvill
January 18th, 2005, 05:35 PM
i don't know what it's like.. a bit of gothic? christopher wren? westminster? ha... :eek2:

MVL318
January 18th, 2005, 05:56 PM
......very special design.....and original. :runaway:
Buth totally different then the surrounding buildings.

the spliff fairy
January 18th, 2005, 07:37 PM
gotham city!

baqthier
January 18th, 2005, 07:53 PM
Out of place but very beautiful. I hope they would use those the soft tinted green windows not the totally green ones! :runaway:

Dubai-Lover
January 18th, 2005, 07:56 PM
great design :)

i love new designs!
hopefully it will be approved!

rational crazy
January 18th, 2005, 09:29 PM
:applause: Wonderful. Also it could be in Gotham City. :colgate:

Bender
January 18th, 2005, 09:33 PM
LOL... A Citroën 2CV :rofl:

michal1982
January 18th, 2005, 09:36 PM
i can say jusat wooow!!!!

Insane alex
January 18th, 2005, 09:36 PM
I don't think that this design will fit in at Pudong.

Ŝróndeimr
January 18th, 2005, 10:05 PM
Amazing tower!

GuilhermeC
January 18th, 2005, 10:35 PM
Original? I don't see anything original.
I hate it.

some_stupid_nut
January 18th, 2005, 10:51 PM
http://www.worldisround.com/hosted/7/589/137.jpg

I love this pic! Makes it look so grand! WOW!

The first rendering look very good. The second one looks bland and ugly.

cicarra
January 18th, 2005, 10:59 PM
the design itself is good, elegant. But the question is does it fit into the pudong skyline?

snake
January 18th, 2005, 11:57 PM
It fits pudong of course. If all buildings are one kind of styles in a area, it definitely will be dull. This building is exactly what pudong needs now, elegant but very unique, it will stand out, I only hope it could be higher. Oh, my, I can't wait to see this baby been built.

tritown
January 19th, 2005, 01:36 AM
Everything could fit in pudong. I can't think of an area more eclectic.

Puntagorda
January 19th, 2005, 11:27 AM
that´s why shanghai´s skyline will never reach the quality of hong kong´s...

Brizer
January 19th, 2005, 12:09 PM
Wow! And here was me thinking Postmodernism in architecture had died out by the early 1990s! It may be striking and eye-catching but it is entirely eclectic, pinching its massing and detail from C13th French Gothic cathedrals and applying them to an early C21st office complex. The style was revived again in the mid to late C19th as Neo-Gothic in European countries including USA and Australia. Then in the !980s, it was revived again by Johnson/Burgee most notably in the PPG Buildings in Pittsburgh. Interesting? But: Gothic in China? About as appropriate as a Ming Dynasty pagoda office tower in Frankfurt. Pure Chinese Disney.

nicholasliha
January 19th, 2005, 05:37 PM
i really dunno what to say.... ok i'll just say whatever i like:

1. its bad because it hints at a perennial envy of New York City, hence the art deco inspired goth steeples and gargoyles. Shanghai's little stake on the gotham city legacy.

2. its really bad because eclectism shouldn't tolerate unsophisticated ideas. this appears to be nothing more than the realisation of a gotham city / medieval europe fantasy. what philosophy does it lend the skyline other than one of whimsical extravagance. its just so byzantine.

3. but its good because it doesn't emulate wholesale the midtown manhattan style of gothic skyscrapers. whereas those tend to be set back as they rise to flourish off with a spire, this baby takes a page from the twin steepled stalwart cathedrals of an older legacy. which is like a sexier way of saying, "how do i look" and "i'm a very stylish girl"

4. i love the loggia ringed plaza at the foot of the "cathedral". its another case of piecing together fragments of grandeur in a very seductive way. seductive because it ostensibly makes sense, but closer consideration reveals a jarring lisp in the preamble. you wouldn't find fat, twin towered buttressed behemoth cathedrals (the likes of York, Notre Dame and Duomo Milan) ringed by pleasant little parish greens / monastic herb gardens, even though they are both fixtures in typical Church architecture. Its like finding Notre Dame in a maze of Benedictine gardens/loggias/fountains. It's just never done like that. Notre Dame rises from grit and a throng of unwashed feet in the city urban core. Hence this arrangement tends to echo those idealistic fantasy communities you find in manga Nintendo games like Final Fantasy. I like.

ok that's all i wanted to say.

Shanghai is all about superlatives and wanton exhibitionism. it does new york one up by being a kind of Vegas devil. Its like a city of trumps, not rockerfellers. haha. so the extravagance kinda matters more than the elegance.

Bond James Bond
January 20th, 2005, 04:44 AM
Whoa!!

Phillip Johnson lives!!

Bond James Bond
January 20th, 2005, 04:46 AM
i really dunno what to say.... ok i'll just say whatever i like:

1. its bad because it hints at a perennial envy of New York City, hence the art deco inspired goth steeples and gargoyles. Shanghai's little stake on the gotham city legacy.

2. its really bad because eclectism shouldn't tolerate unsophisticated ideas. this appears to be nothing more than the realisation of a gotham city / medieval europe fantasy. what philosophy does it lend the skyline other than one of whimsical extravagance. its just so byzantine.

3. but its good because it doesn't emulate wholesale the midtown manhattan style of gothic skyscrapers. whereas those tend to be set back as they rise to flourish off with a spire, this baby takes a page from the twin steepled stalwart cathedrals of an older legacy. which is like a sexier way of saying, "how do i look" and "i'm a very stylish girl"

4. i love the loggia ringed plaza at the foot of the "cathedral". its another case of piecing together fragments of grandeur in a very seductive way. seductive because it ostensibly makes sense, but closer consideration reveals a jarring lisp in the preamble. you wouldn't find fat, twin towered buttressed behemoth cathedrals (the likes of York, Notre Dame and Duomo Milan) ringed by pleasant little parish greens / monastic herb gardens, even though they are both fixtures in typical Church architecture. Its like finding Notre Dame in a maze of Benedictine gardens/loggias/fountains. It's just never done like that. Notre Dame rises from grit and a throng of unwashed feet in the city urban core. Hence this arrangement tends to echo those idealistic fantasy communities you find in manga Nintendo games like Final Fantasy. I like.

ok that's all i wanted to say.

Shanghai is all about superlatives and wanton exhibitionism. it does new york one up by being a kind of Vegas devil. Its like a city of trumps, not rockerfellers. haha. so the extravagance kinda matters more than the elegance.
If I recall correctly, Shanghai does have a few of its *own* genuine Art Deco skyscrapers from the 20's and 30's, so it isn't *that* out-of-context.

philip
January 20th, 2005, 06:05 AM
DUDE, even the cars look 1930s, DID anyone notice that?
Too bad people have to climb all that stairs to get to the front entrance.
Everything elses looks dreamy........... :) in a good way of course.

Look at the cars !!!!!!
http://www.worldisround.com/hosted/7/589/137.jpg

WOW, nice design !! I don't care if this is original or not, it is a well designed, good-looking building.

tritown
January 20th, 2005, 07:58 AM
Who cares if it emulates NYC? It's still way cool :)

Jai
January 20th, 2005, 09:52 AM
Nice design, though odd that China would want a building evoking medieval European design. I'd have rather seen a building like this reflecting traditional Chinese design.

nukey
January 20th, 2005, 11:32 AM
Its cool. Itll look a bit odd amongst Shanghai's pinks and blues and generally light-hearted character. It reminds me of Penzoil Place by Johnson in Houston:
http://www.pritzkerprize.com/johnson/Hist033.jpg

Dan Hochhaus
January 21st, 2005, 08:00 AM
This also reminds me of the postmodern PPG (Pittsburgh Plate Glass) Place in Pittsburgh, built 1979-84 by Johnson & Burgee. Another cathedral of commerce with hundreds of pinnacles:
http://www.bc.edu/bc_org/avp/cas/fnart/fa267/pj/ppg01.jpg

SUNNI
January 21st, 2005, 10:05 AM
i think it will look great;)

LooselogInThePeg
January 21st, 2005, 10:32 AM
Personally I don't like it at all but I will give it credit for being original.

nezzybaby
January 21st, 2005, 11:24 AM
not sure if it reminds me of new york, and isnt gotham city make believe! this looks more like London buildings than anything else, somewhere between houses of parliment and westminster abbey.

I like it, i think its a very grand impressive building to be proud of for many years

CborG
January 21st, 2005, 02:05 PM
there is nothing unique about a building looking like an old european cathedral, it looks like a design from Kolhoff:puke:

Bibelo
January 21st, 2005, 02:13 PM
I'm okay with a new age of neogothical buildings, anywhere, but this resembles so much with an old Cathedral that I think it's tasteless. Almost gotta think about park Dubai (Disney) when I see this.

7 World Trade
January 22nd, 2005, 02:22 AM
i love the design's originality, which is almost at the levels of jin mao and tomorrow square, and im surprised that no architects in the u.s. actually built an office tower like this before. the closest match u can find is definitely 1 ppg place.

still, this building distracts from the postmodern buildings of lujiazui with such a contrasting design. they should build it rite next to a historical european district or something in puxi, or even close by the historical buildings of the bund! that'd be so awesome...

真琴
July 24th, 2005, 10:48 AM
Original? I don't see anything original.
I hate it.
hei~!what you say?!why? i think it is so cool ~!
P.S:maybe you like the Japanese~!hehe```````just for a joke~!

Ellatur
August 22nd, 2005, 11:08 PM
oh wow very nice!

Urban Dave
August 22nd, 2005, 11:11 PM
Very gothic! Nice Citroen car! :D

jonovision
August 22nd, 2005, 11:23 PM
Anyone know when this one is suppose to start construction?

The Mad Hatter!!
August 22nd, 2005, 11:30 PM
i really don't think that the design is original,theres penzoil place,ppg,and that skyscraper in chicago which are done in very similar and almost identical

CHANEL
August 23rd, 2005, 01:40 AM
great

goschio
August 23rd, 2005, 06:15 AM
Love it! Much better than all those shiny ones.

chymera00
August 23rd, 2005, 06:47 AM
I don't think that this design will fit in at Pudong.
I agree ... It just doesnt fit

Mighto
August 23rd, 2005, 06:55 AM
It's a great concept- but somehow I envision the final product being mucked up. No monumental base stairs or 2CV's.

Not to mention the roof details.

Metroland
August 23rd, 2005, 08:36 AM
It's massive, I like it!

Magician
August 23rd, 2005, 12:07 PM
Awesome

napkcirtap
August 23rd, 2005, 12:44 PM
it's gr8 to see shanghai having an architecture w/ a rich taste of culture and religion!

Dancer
August 23rd, 2005, 04:03 PM
What a great idea. Id love to have a building in Seattle that stands out in such a great way. I love skylines like NYC where you dont just see a mass of postmodern buildings. You see a collection of sizes and styles.

Travis007
August 23rd, 2005, 04:13 PM
I'm not a fan of this building, Pudong should just stick with its sleek and shiny modern/pomo buildings.

empersouf
August 23rd, 2005, 04:34 PM
Impresive and really nice.

Kenwen
August 23rd, 2005, 11:54 PM
This building looks great, it will make shanghai look abit more like nyc downtown, shanghai should look like that in the first place if communist didn't stop the growth of shanghai for 4 decade

Kees
August 24th, 2005, 10:22 AM
isn't this a copy of a famous cathedral in Paris, France?

from http://usa.crystalcg.com

http://usa.crystalcg.com/perspective/Sketch/sh009-b.jpg

dogyears
August 24th, 2005, 07:09 PM
that's a great shot of the thing. Kitsch but pretty.

Dale
August 24th, 2005, 07:49 PM
Wow ! What will they worship inside of it ?

The Mad Hatter!!
August 25th, 2005, 12:43 AM
ok i just noticed the similarites to notre dame,in paris
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v289/enyers/AOL_6174.jpg

CHANEL
August 25th, 2005, 12:57 AM
UMMM I AM NOT SURE IT LOOKS GOTHIC SCARY. I THINK MAYBE WHEN IT'S COMPLETED IT WOULD LOOK BETTER.

Bitxofo
August 25th, 2005, 07:08 AM
Amazing!! :eek2:
And funny pink Citroën 2CV car.
:rofl:

michal1982
August 25th, 2005, 05:22 PM
i love this project it is amaizing finaly they gonna build something nice in shanghaj

heirloom
August 26th, 2005, 09:23 AM
its an idea taht could be really really really tacky, like many chinese projects, but this one comes off really well

D_Y2k.2^
August 27th, 2005, 09:33 AM
Relly unique.Any construction updates?

deli
September 1st, 2005, 08:02 AM
^ too unique to fit shanghai skyline, don't like it at all....i am too conservative to like this consevative style building.

ncon
September 1st, 2005, 08:30 AM
http://www.worldisround.com/hosted/7/589/137.jpg

^^ oh my GOD looks so grand

some_stupid_nut
September 1st, 2005, 08:57 AM
Steps look really tiring though. They better have like trams. Haha.

itom 987
September 1st, 2005, 08:59 AM
Praise the Lord!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Chad
September 1st, 2005, 01:36 PM
Will it ever gets built...really :)

michal1982
September 1st, 2005, 03:10 PM
I HOPE SO

jacks
September 1st, 2005, 05:05 PM
This would look great rising behind the mix of neo-classical and art-deco along the bund, but in Pudong? It's just completely different to anything on that side of the river.

El_Greco
September 1st, 2005, 05:09 PM
LoOks good.I like that classy design.But yes as someone said this building doesn't fit in Shanghai's skyline..

Manu84
September 1st, 2005, 09:54 PM
:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

LSyd
September 1st, 2005, 10:04 PM
i love it.

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OtAkAw
September 2nd, 2005, 11:01 AM
It looks out-of-place...

satit28
September 2nd, 2005, 02:09 PM
are there gonna be a bell???........
kidding........
looks great..........

adidas
September 2nd, 2005, 02:31 PM
looks really nice i really like the blend because there are so many modern and sleek towers going up everywhere in shanghai so this will be nice.

gurukool
September 2nd, 2005, 02:41 PM
this is majestic...

OtAkAw
September 2nd, 2005, 03:03 PM
They should build a pagoda tower there because a cathedral does not fit. It's not very Chinese and Chinese China is alot better.

OtAkAw
September 2nd, 2005, 03:04 PM
I like it though, its very dramatic...

Grygry
September 2nd, 2005, 03:31 PM
@ OtAkAw
Cannot agree more. But this is the only cathedral style highrise that is gonna be built, so why not?

blimey
September 2nd, 2005, 03:42 PM
Don't like it at all. Looks kitchy.