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SILVERLAKE
January 24th, 2005, 07:22 PM
Since the NY times calls the East Village and Williamsburg the NY version of Silverlake and Echo Park respectively. I wonder what NY area is equivalent to Highland Park? This place sounds cool!

It's So Uncool, It's Cool

Lanes sit unused at Mr. T's Bowl, but its nightlife is on a roll. Regulars hope the bar's renewed popularity won't strike at its gritty authenticity.

By Daniel Hernandez, Times Staff Writer

Kiersten Puusemp walked into Mr. T's Bowl in Highland Park on a rollicking Saturday night and, as the bar's most ardent fans might expect, fell instantly in love.

She came through the main entrance, which is the back door. She took in the ratty, faded carpeting. The perfectly tacky holiday decorations. The eight unused bowling lanes. The framed photographs of "Mr. Joe T" greeting patrons and pouring drinks. She breathed in the scent: a cozy muskiness that's been cooking in the windowless space for about 60 years.


THE YOUNG CROWD
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THE OLD CROWD
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"I have never been here before," said the 31-year-old artist from Altadena, squeezing up to the bar and hollering above the thrashing sounds of a band called the Mormons.

"I came in and said, 'This place is rad.' And then I'm like, 'Am I one of the ones who's ruining it?'"

Puusemp smiled ruefully at her Budweiser. "That's the dilemma."

It's the classic conundrum for the Los Angeles seeker of cool: gleefully discovering authenticity in a city notorious for veneer and contrived environments, then fretting over whether your very presence compromises it.

The predicament is becoming commonplace in Highland Park. "Cool" is coming to Northeast L.A.

Other old-school bars in the working- and middle-class district are relighting their retro signs, hiring doormen and installing modern mood lighting: Footsie's, The Chalet, the Cave. Last year, North Figueroa Street welcomed an artsy coffee shop called Mudpuppy. It's doing good business selling loose-leaf teas and homemade muffins.

Rental and property prices are rising. Younger artists, musicians and first-time home buyers priced out of Silver Lake and Echo Park are moving east, potentially bringing with them those neighborhoods' pretensions of cool.

Despite all the change happening outside, the scene inside Mr. T's Bowl repeats itself day after day. A cast of older regulars gets there around lunchtime during the week and sometimes before breakfast on weekends. There's no natural light, but they generally know when it's time to leave.

That's 9 p.m. or so, when the live music starts and twentysomethings with messy hair and Chuck Taylor sneakers roll in.

"There's no problem," said semiretired Bob, 68, who, like many of the others at Mr. T's, prefers to go by one name. "The older people drift out when the kids come in."

It's a formula that's been working so well, the rockers who've found success playing there admit they're a little worried.

"My whole dream was to have the bands blow up [find success] and keep secret about Mr. T's," said Mike "TV" Torres, 31, in charge of booking acts at the place.

"Wait," he said, suddenly considering the implications of speaking to a newspaper. "I can't believe I'm telling you this."

Given the bar's history, vigilance over its vulnerability is understandable. Mr. T's Bowl has had its share of "cool" and "so over" periods.

The brick-and-concrete-block building at 5621 1/2 N. Figueroa St., across from the old Highland Theater, opened in 1929 as a garage. At some point during the early 1940s — no one today can say for sure — the property was converted to a bowling alley. From a nondescript double-glass door, a long hallway led to a single room divided into a bar and a dining area. Curved wooden benches lined the slightly submerged playing area. For years, the alley prospered alongside the neighborhood's family-owned department stores and movie houses.

Joseph "Mr. T" Teresa, an Italian immigrant by way of Louisiana, who owned a nearby liquor store, bought the property in 1966. Live big-band music, Mr. T's favorite, filled the space. Mr. T set up home-style buffets for hungry bowlers. And students from nearby Occidental College and other Eastside campuses indulged in the tradition of collegiate drinking there.

But by the late 1980s, interest in the sport had waned considerably. The lanes went dark. And Mr. T's turned into a retiree bar. Not much more.

Then a curious thing happened: An out-of-order bowling alley populated by graying drinkers became attractive to a party-seeking younger generation brought up on punk rock, hip-hop and, above all, an acute sense of irony.

Fuzzyland, a wild underground music-and-dance event put on by veteran promoter Jac Zindler, became a phenomenon when it landed at Mr. T's in the early 1990s.

Mr. T's Bowl was a fit for Fuzzyland because partygoers "enjoyed the funkiness of the old school," said fellow promoter Gus Hudson. "The regulars were just hanging out there, and here were these strange young kids in their early 20s coming in from different parts of L.A."

Soon the party atmosphere extended to other nights of the week. Performers well-known in the underground, such as the Breeders and Beck, stopped by. Fuzzyland gradually morphed into an untamed carnival (trapeze performances, "clothing optional" theme nights). The bar's regulars became just another part of the party.

"I remember seeing one of the retirees who was hanging out, one guy who was blind with a cane, dancing on the floor to Jac's music," Hudson recalled.

On Thanksgiving Day 1994, Zindler was killed in a car crash in Silver Lake. Fuzzyland died with him. But the energy didn't.

Arlo, the bar's sound guy, started an open-mike night. Mike TV, who at the time was in a band named Arlo, in honor of Arlo, was given booking duties. Bands formed among neighborhood kids. Mike TV brought in acts from across the state, the country — even from Japan. A scene was born.

"Basically, what brought me to Highland Park was open-mike Thursday nights at Mr. T's Bowl about seven years ago," said Santina Giordano, lead singer of the local band Hidden. "The first time I went there I was like, 'Whoa, there's something different about this place. It's special.' "

Special, many said, because of Mr. T, the bespectacled, white-haired man always smiling behind the bar. Or sometimes getting down on the dance floor. Or sometimes singing Sinatra on karaoke night. Or sometimes lugging crates of liquor from stockroom to ice chest. Even into his 80s, Mr. Joe T rarely left before the bar's last call.

Then, last June, Joe Teresa succumbed to pulmonary fibrosis. He kept his illness from everyone — even his son, John — until he was no longer able to come into the bar. Mr. T was 87.

The funeral was a parade of floppy-haired rockers and Highland Park old-timers. Then everyone gathered at the bar to swap stories. Sarge, who used to be a cook at the bowling alley, prepared a meal featuring one of Mr. T's favorite foods: Italian sausage.

"He was just a damn decent guy," said Mike TV. "No matter what kind of band was happening, if there was a girl interested in dancing, Joe would take them out for a spin."

Things have been different since Mr. T passed.

Many of the bands that played some of their earliest gigs at Mr. T's — if not their debuts — have signed with major record labels, gone on tour, recorded videos, appeared on television. The Peak Show. Go Betty Go. Los Abandoned. 8-Bit (whose members dress up as robots). And others.

The open-mike night that spawned the scene was shut down. It's back now, but different.

On a recent Tuesday night, a few twentysomethings huddled at a table near the entrance. The seating in front of the stage, where an angst-ridden acoustic guitarist crooned into a microphone, was mostly empty. Edgar Smith, a 67-year-old regular in Dodger cap and shiny blue bomber jacket, belted out a song with indecipherable lyrics.

"Edgar, you have to sign up to sing," Lisa Thorsen, the beach-blond barkeep, called out gently. "There's a sign-up."

Linda Chavez, a 24-year-old downtown trade settlement worker, arched her eyebrows as if to say: See?

"It used to be happening, man," she said, clutching a Bud Light and a glowing cellphone. "On Tuesday night it looked like a Friday night. Right now the scene is supposedly happening, but it's already dying."

Chavez blames the arrival of Silver Lake and Echo Park hipsters, obsessed with the coolest and the newest. "People from over there come out here to 'hang out,' " Chavez said, making sarcastic quotation marks in the air with her hands. "You know, the 'rough part' of town. The regulars feel intimidated."

Mike TV and John insist the glory days will return. Several nights a week, the bar is packed with dedicated music fans, just like the old days. It's the best memorial he could leave to his father, John said.

Despite his fears, Mike TV said he believes Mr. T's won't lose its special brand of Uncool Cool.

"That's so odd that I'm even trying to explain this," he said on a recent night. "I don't know, man. I sort of suspect it's going to preserve itself. It's far enough east, even if people read about it, they'll say, 'Oh, that's cool,' and that's it. They're not going to go, 'Oh, my God, there's something incredible going on in Highland Park.' "

He paused: "And even if they do, I sort of suspect things could return back to normal. I don't know what it is."

Maybe it's the dedication of neighborhood regulars, young or old, like Chavez. Asked if she would hang out at Mr. T's no matter what kind of crowd overruns it next, Chavez answered straight and quick: "Of course, dude. I love this place. And that's how Mr. T would've wanted it."

lokinyc
January 24th, 2005, 08:32 PM
the whole thing started and died in Williamsburg already. Do they still use that term in LA? Wear trucker hats, too?

soup or man
January 24th, 2005, 08:36 PM
Do guys in NYC still wear pink? That shit is gross.

SILVERLAKE
January 24th, 2005, 11:30 PM
the whole thing started and died in Williamsburg already. Do they still use that term in LA? Wear trucker hats, too?

The trucker hat thing started in LA, and I have seen that in print multiple times.

The two hipster cities are NY and LA and suprisingly enough pretty much the same thing goes on between the two cities. Stuff doesn't spread, it seems to be springing up independently.

teshadoh
January 24th, 2005, 11:47 PM
Shit - this sounds like redneck underground, which has mostly died out in the 1990's in Atlanta. I didn't think posers were still doing the 'uncool' thing.

Also - what is more pathetic, trying to be cool - or talking about what 'cool' people do to be cool?

djm19
January 25th, 2005, 02:00 AM
Yeah, LA and NY tend to have the same trends at the same time, and then it collapses into the rest of the country.

EastSider
January 25th, 2005, 04:46 AM
Am I the only one that sees west coast and east coast trends different?

The Urban Politician
January 25th, 2005, 05:24 AM
Yeah, LA and NY tend to have the same trends at the same time, and then it collapses into the rest of the country.

LA's trends are far behind NY's

CarsonCaliBrotha
January 25th, 2005, 05:53 AM
Do guys in NYC still wear pink? That shit is gross.
Blame Killa Cam for that:
http://www.mtv.com/shared/media/news/images/d/Diplomats/sq-diplomats-all-bout.jpg Dipset bitch! What's this hipster stuff all about? Never heard of it, and from that picture I really don't wanna know about it.

LosAngelesSportsFan
January 25th, 2005, 06:54 AM
i dont want to start another feud or anything like that, but even Ny designers are saying that LA is right now setting the trends in fashion in America. From trucker Hats, to casual jean wear to tshirts to Von Dtuch, seven jeans and many more things, they are all LA based. There was an article in the Times recently talking about this as well, if i find it ill post it. I know you are probably trying to start some fued or something childish like that, but i thought i would post my opinion and you can take it from here.LA's trends are far behind NY's

EastSider
January 25th, 2005, 08:08 AM
I think young culture(I'm not talking teen-bop pop crap) trends are more popular in LA, but more european trends are found in New York and Chicago. I'm guessing LA forumers are going to disagree with this.

djm19
January 25th, 2005, 08:20 AM
^ Actually, I would agree with that. LA trends do tend to be for teens and people in their 20s (and movie stars in LA start a lot of these). While New York has more european fashion trends, etc.

CarsonCaliBrotha
January 25th, 2005, 08:22 AM
I think young culture(I'm not talking teen-bop pop crap) trends are more popular in LA, but more european trends are found in New York and Chicago. I'm guessing LA forumers are going to disagree with this.
Please tell me, what's so European about White/Pink Tees, L-R-G, platinum chains, etc.? And that is not teen-bop pop crap, I know what that is. That's the 'hood. In young culture, there's teeny boppers, and hip-hop heads. And I guess there's metal-worshippers or whatever.

LosAngelesSportsFan
January 25th, 2005, 08:26 AM
I think young culture(I'm not talking teen-bop pop crap) trends are more popular in LA, but more european trends are found in New York and Chicago. I'm guessing LA forumers are going to disagree with this.


Actually i agree with you. i personally wear both kinds of clothing, but i lean towards the LA style. it comfortable, chill and no hassle.

EastSider
January 25th, 2005, 09:47 AM
Please tell me, what's so European about White/Pink Tees, L-R-G, platinum chains, etc.? And that is not teen-bop pop crap, I know what that is. That's the 'hood. In young culture, there's teeny boppers, and hip-hop heads. And I guess there's metal-worshippers or whatever.

Young culture reflects all styles, way more than the ones you listed. I'm talking about the main-stream trends. I think hip-hop has had a HUGE influence in young trends, but thats another debate.

SILVERLAKE
January 25th, 2005, 09:04 PM
LA's trends are far behind NY's

Can you be more specific?

LA and NY are trendsetters not trendy.

EastSider
January 26th, 2005, 12:01 AM
^Trendsetters set trends.

SILVERLAKE
January 26th, 2005, 12:46 AM
^Trendsetters set trends.

Duh!!!!!!

I want to give example of pop culture trends that the hipsters in NY are way ahead of LA. There aren't any. LA and NY are the too hipster cities. All cities have hip enclaves, but in NY and LA it is much more large scale. Hipsters from city X move to NY or LA not vice versa.

LAuniverse
January 26th, 2005, 09:17 AM
I think young culture(I'm not talking teen-bop pop crap) trends are more popular in LA, but more european trends are found in New York and Chicago

actually, youre half right....about both comments. LA is home of "bottom-up" culture. street-trends-turned pop culture. NY takes this stuff, much also of it its own, and projects it as euro/high culture (functioning as the "up" portion of "bottom-up").

After NY, LA has the greatest number of boutique designer stores in the continent - and it has one of the most prominent, Fred Segals. Its a designer make-it-or-break-it store. New designer labels go there to blow up, or die. Many FIT (NY) graduates end up trying to get their designs displayed there.

In the US at least, fashion is dominated by NY and LA. Its also no coincidence NY and LA are home to the 1st and 2nd largest fashion/textile districts in the continent respectively - and both lead by enormous margins.

Chicago is where youre completely wrong. Chicago has pretty much no role in fashion/couture whatsoever. Probably less so than SF, though that's slowly beginning to change.

EastSider
January 26th, 2005, 06:29 PM
^I understand what you're saying, but need some clarifying on what you mean by the fact that Chicago has no role in fashion. I was simply talking trends in fashion, and I agree that I don't believe Chicago starts many trends. (I love Chicago but why is it when I go anywhere in Chicago if I'm not wearing Black I stand out?) I don't know really know about their innovation of trends, and if they start them, but I know when they're out there Chicago gets them. Chicago has many flagship eurpean designer based stores in the city, and many many trendy boutique stores.

Do you understand my point that Chicago may not start them, but they certainlty get a hold of them very fast?

Also I was simply stating that I think NY trends get passed to Chicago moreso than LA trends get passed to Chicago because there was a point that was brought up that LA and NY seem to seep into the middle of the US, but my point was that I think, at least in this region, it seems New York has a stronger influence than LA trends. But I think this makes sense considering similarities of cities.

Am I way off base or no?

EastSider
January 26th, 2005, 06:41 PM
Duh!!!!!!

I want to give example of pop culture trends that the hipsters in NY are way ahead of LA. There aren't any. LA and NY are the too hipster cities. All cities have hip enclaves, but in NY and LA it is much more large scale. Hipsters from city X move to NY or LA not vice versa.

I understand what you're saying and I agree, but I mean you have to look at why they're moving there. For example if its for fashion well that is where the fashion industry is located you know.

Another point I have to make is that you don't have to move to LA or NY to be on top of the "hipster" scene, if you will. It's important to realize when you look at pop culture trends or fashion that LA and NY are not always innovaters, often trends are started in other countrires, but those may be the first cities to get them.

Another quick note now that I think about. Pop culture trends can be started anywhere, thats the whole point of pop culture. Those types of trends just seem like recycled media messages anyways you know.

LosAngelesSportsFan
January 26th, 2005, 10:18 PM
^I understand what you're saying, but need some clarifying on what you mean by the fact that Chicago has no role in fashion. I was simply talking trends in fashion, and I agree that I don't believe Chicago starts many trends. (I love Chicago but why is it when I go anywhere in Chicago if I'm not wearing Black I stand out?) I don't know really know about their innovation of trends, and if they start them, but I know when they're out there Chicago gets them. Chicago has many flagship eurpean designer based stores in the city, and many many trendy boutique stores.

Do you understand my point that Chicago may not start them, but they certainlty get a hold of them very fast?

Also I was simply stating that I think NY trends get passed to Chicago moreso than LA trends get passed to Chicago because there was a point that was brought up that LA and NY seem to seep into the middle of the US, but my point was that I think, at least in this region, it seems New York has a stronger influence than LA trends. But I think this makes sense considering similarities of cities.

Am I way off base or no?


i think you are exactly right.

LAuniverse
January 27th, 2005, 06:02 AM
^I understand what you're saying, but need some clarifying on what you mean by the fact that Chicago has no role in fashion. I was simply talking trends in fashion, and I agree that I don't believe Chicago starts many trends. (I love Chicago but why is it when I go anywhere in Chicago if I'm not wearing Black I stand out?) I don't know really know about their innovation of trends, and if they start them, but I know when they're out there Chicago gets them. Chicago has many flagship eurpean designer based stores in the city, and many many trendy boutique stores.

Do you understand my point that Chicago may not start them, but they certainlty get a hold of them very fast?

Also I was simply stating that I think NY trends get passed to Chicago moreso than LA trends get passed to Chicago because there was a point that was brought up that LA and NY seem to seep into the middle of the US, but my point was that I think, at least in this region, it seems New York has a stronger influence than LA trends. But I think this makes sense considering similarities of cities.

Am I way off base or no?


I agree for the most part. But Eastsider, I think we were talking past each other about Chicagos role. I was pointing out that LA starts trends, and like NY, has designers and an actual globally connected fashion industry. Thats where I felt compelled to state that Chicago has no role.

Thats not to say that Chicago is out of date because it clearly isnt. Chi-town is trendy as hell. I mean, Chicago is a major, prosperous, cosmopolitan, city, so of course Chicago has many high end global retailers. But Chicago has no role in fashion as an industry of design and design dissemination so it cant benefit from a domestic fashion industry the way NY and LA does through their scores of esoteric direct-from-designer boutique stores and posh euro spas.

And in my opinion, given the breakneck proliferation of global fashion trends, NY and LA are not isolated from each other. they play off each other - thats why I offered that bottom-up analogy. I mean, were talking about trends! So while it may be true that Chicago follows NY more directly, many of the trends from NY are born in LA. In other words, by the time such fashion reaches high end retailers, they are a indistinguishable mishmosh of trends from places as diverse as LA, NY, Milan, and Tokyo. Thats the nature of fashion in a postindustrial global village. geography is meaningless with respect to the flow of ideas.

EastSider
January 27th, 2005, 07:30 AM
I understand what you're saying, I disagree with some of your points, but I get your big picture which is more important.

I enjoy understanding your points (especially since you're in LA), and since we can talk/debate about this topic for a long period I'm just gonna say that I respect your opinion and its been good hearing it.

LAuniverse
January 27th, 2005, 08:50 AM
the feelings are reciprocated EastSider. Its enjoyable to discuss topics with someone who will at least consider some of what you say without first rushing to judgement from personal bias. disagreement is good when its with someone as sensible as yourself.